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To: gradea1@charter.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron
From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 18:12:42 -0400
Cc: Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Hi Hank -

She has a two piece dash, with centrigrade temp guage and adjustable
steering wheel.

Yes that is my car.  You have all the correct data / color.

I thought I registered her a long time ago, I can do it.

Cheers,

Alan

On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 5:17=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach <gradea1@charter.net> wro=
te:

> Alan- I can believe that. Body #793 was billed out on November 28, 1953
> and was destined to go to the US but was sent to Canada.  Rich Chrysler h=
ad
> the car. Fact says it was Coronet Cream with chassis #148521 and engine
> #139809.
> I would imagine from that late production date that it may have a
> Fahrenheit  temp gauge and one piece dash with non adjustable steering
> wheel. If that is your car I will note it on my registry, or you could
> register it yourself at: http://healeyhelper.com/early-100-registry/
> Hank
>
> --------------------
>
> From: "Alan Seigrist" <healey.nut@gmail.com>
> To: <gradea1@charter.net>
> Cc: "Curtis Arndt" <cnaarndt@gmail.com>, "Jean Caron" <
> vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>, "Healey List" <
> healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: May 7, 2025 at 1:52 PM PDT
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron
> I'm baffled!
>
> #793 has the centre baffle =F0=9F=A7=90
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Curt for that information. My car is the 519th built-without the
>> center baffle and Michael's and my car look very much alike. I'm a stuck=
 in
>> the mud original guy so I would never add that panel and fortunately my =
car
>> runs cool-about 70-80C on the gauge.(also an early item).
>> By the way-you have a brief mention in my book-a photo you supplied.
>> Regards, Hank
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> From: "Curtis Arndt" <cnaarndt@gmail.com>
>> To: "Jean Caron" <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>
>> Cc: "Hank Leach" <gradea1@charter.net>, "Michael Salter" <
>> michaelsalter@gmail.com>, "Healey List" <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: May 7, 2025 at 6:20 AM PDT
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron
>>
>> Hank and Jean
>>
>> Michael is a long time member of the AH Concours Guidelines Committee, a=
n
>> early 100 expert and as such is well aware of this fact. I judged his ca=
r
>> Concours gold as I recall several years ago at the Gettysburg Conclave a=
nd
>> the vertical portion was not there as is correct for around the first 35=
0
>> BN1s. As such, there was no deduction for the missing panel.
>>
>> I have to assume that he now wants to add the panel to help improve
>> cooling.
>>
>> As for his question, it can be done but will require drilling three 3/16=
"
>> holes, two in the lower portion for 10-32 pan head phillips screws and o=
ne
>> in the top center portion of the upper support. Both the grill and radia=
tor
>> may need to be removed. Pain in the butt if you ask me.
>>
>> If you want to improve cooling without permanently altering your very
>> original car, I have several better options.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Curtis Arndt
>> AH Concours Guidelines Committee
>>
>> On Sun, May 4, 2025, 9:30=E2=80=AFPM Jean Caron <
>> vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>> I agree with Hank, your car did not come with this vertical panel but i=
f
>>> you have the grille removed you should be able to install one. You will
>>> have to drill three holes, two in  the horizontal panels and one in the
>>> bonnet hinge and cross brace assembly for the machined screw that holds=
 the
>>> top of the vertical panel in place.
>>>
>>> Jean
>>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest network.
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Hank
>>> Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 4, 2025 7:48:00 PM
>>> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; healeys@autox.team.net =
<
>>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron
>>>
>>> Michael-the early cars did not always have the center baffle panel.
>>> They had the lower horizontal "apron" you describe but the vertical
>>> "modesty " panel was added in late 53 into 54. Photo of my 53 #588 did =
not
>>> have the vertical so you can see all the way thru the front. Since your=
 car
>>> (#172?) is early; my guess is that you never had the panel.  Are there
>>> mounting holes in the horizontal apron to receive the lip of the vertic=
al
>>> piece? The later parts available came with drilled holes. Not sure you
>>> could install one unless you remove the grille.  Hank
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>>> To: <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: May 4, 2025 at 2:04 PM PDT
>>> Subject: [Healeys] Radiator apron
>>> I have a BN1 with the radiator apron panel (horizontal behind and below
>>> the grille in front of the radiator which usually has a division panel
>>> attached to it) missing.
>>> If I remove the horns and grille does anyone if this panel and the
>>> division panel can be installed. Looks a bit tight but I don't want to =
have
>>> to disturb the front shroud.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Hank -<div><br></div><div>She has a two piece dash, wit=
h centrigrade=C2=A0temp guage=C2=A0and adjustable steering wheel.<br><br>Ye=
s that is my car.=C2=A0 You have all the correct data / color.<br><br>I tho=
ught I registered her a long time ago, I can do it.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Cheers,<br><br>Alan</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_=
container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 5:1=
7=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>gradea1@=
charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div>Alan- I can believe that. Body #793 was billed out on Novem=
ber 28, 1953 and was destined to go to the US but was sent to Canada.=C2=A0=
 Rich Chrysler had the car. Fact says it was Coronet Cream with chassis #14=
8521 and engine #139809.</div>
<div>I would imagine from that late production date that it <span style=3D"=
text-decoration:underline">may</span> have a Fahrenheit=C2=A0 temp gauge an=
d one piece dash with non adjustable steering wheel. If that is your car I =
will note it on my registry, or you could register it yourself at: <a href=
=3D"http://healeyhelper.com/early-100-registry/"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D=
"_blank">http://healeyhelper.com/early-100-registry/</a></div>
<div>Hank</div>
<div><br>-------------------- <br><br>From: &quot;Alan Seigrist&quot; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; <br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">gradea1@charter.net</a>&gt; <br>Cc: &quot;Curtis Arndt&quot; &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;, &quot;Jean Caron&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restorati=
on@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com<=
/a>&gt;, &quot;Healey List&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <br>Sent: May 7, 2025 =
at 1:52 PM PDT <br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron </div>
<div>I&#39;m baffled!=C2=A0 <br><br>#793 has the centre baffle=C2=A0=F0=9F=
=A7=90</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 3:04=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach=
 via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Thanks, Curt for that information. My car is the 519th built-without t=
he center baffle and Michael&#39;s and my car look very much alike. I&#39;m=
 a stuck in the mud original guy so I would never add that panel and fortun=
ately my car runs cool-about 70-80C on the gauge.(also an early item).=C2=
=A0</div>
<div>By the way-you have a brief mention in my book-a photo you supplied. R=
egards, Hank</div>
<div><br>-------------------- <br><br>From: &quot;Curtis Arndt&quot; &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">cnaa=
rndt@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>To: &quot;Jean Caron&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blan=
k">vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com</a>&gt; <br>Cc: &quot;Hank Leac=
h&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; rel=3D"noopener" target=
=3D"_blank">gradea1@charter.net</a>&gt;, &quot;Michael Salter&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">=
michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Healey List&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt; <br>Sent: May 7, 2025 at 6:20 AM PDT <br>Subject: Re: [H=
ealeys] Radiator apron</div>
<div>
<p>Hank and Jean</p>
<p>Michael is a long time member of the AH Concours Guidelines Committee, a=
n early 100 expert and as such is well aware of this fact. I judged his car=
 Concours gold as I recall several years ago at the Gettysburg Conclave and=
 the vertical portion was not there as is correct for around the first 350 =
BN1s. As such, there was no deduction for the missing panel.</p>
<p>I have to assume that he now wants to add the panel to help improve cool=
ing.</p>
<p>As for his question, it can be done but will require drilling three 3/16=
&quot; holes, two in the lower portion for 10-32 pan head phillips screws a=
nd one in the top center portion of the upper support. Both the grill and r=
adiator may need to be removed. Pain in the butt if you ask me.</p>
<p>If you want to improve cooling without permanently altering your very or=
iginal car, I have several better options.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Curtis Arndt <br>AH Concours Guidelines Committee</p>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 4, 2025, 9:30=E2=80=AFPM Jean Caron &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"noope=
ner" target=3D"_blank">vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Ar=
ial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Michael,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Ar=
ial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I agree with Hank, your car did no=
t come with this vertical panel but if you have the grille removed you shou=
ld be able to install one. You will have to drill three holes, two in=C2=A0=
 the horizontal panels and one in the bonnet hinge and cross brace assembly=
 for the machined screw that holds the top of the vertical panel in place.<=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Ar=
ial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Ar=
ial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Jean</div>
<div id=3D"m_8810086077651423737m_-7741124645180786198m_6245524722219332360=
ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line"></div>
<div id=3D"m_8810086077651423737m_-7741124645180786198m_6245524722219332360=
ms-outlook-mobile-signature" style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService=
,-apple-system,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Sent from =
my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest network.</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_8810086077651423737m_-7741124645180786198m_6245524722219332360=
divRplyFwdMsg"><strong>From:</strong> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Hank Leach via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeys@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, May 4, 2025 7:48:00=
 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsal=
ter@gmail.com" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noopener" target=
=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.=
team.net" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>Michael-the early cars did not always have the center baffle panel.=C2=
=A0 They had the lower horizontal &quot;apron&quot; you describe but the ve=
rtical &quot;modesty &quot; panel was added in late 53 into 54. Photo of my=
 53 #588 did not have the vertical so you can see all the way thru the fron=
t. Since your car (#172?) is early; my guess is that you never had the pane=
l.=C2=A0 Are there mounting holes in the horizontal apron to receive the li=
p of the vertical piece? The later parts available came with drilled holes.=
 Not sure you could install one unless you remove the grille.=C2=A0 Hank<br=
>-------------------- <br><br>From: &quot;Michael Salter&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">mich=
aelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.tea=
m.net" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b=
r>Sent: May 4, 2025 at 2:04 PM PDT <br>Subject: [Healeys] Radiator apron</d=
iv>
<div>I have a BN1 with the radiator apron panel (horizontal behind and belo=
w the grille in front of the radiator which usually has a division panel at=
tached to it) missing.
<div>If I remove the horns and grille does anyone if this panel and the div=
ision panel can be installed. Looks a bit tight but I don&#39;t want to hav=
e to disturb the front shroud.=C2=A0</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
</div>
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