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Re: [Shop-talk] It's A Simple Machine, Right?

To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> kZkFQByZF0GeUqJ4Mk6+INjz/wn2Y94IdvFfHbjoc9F2aunRn8lUo2hpgpFA5VCchW2buVE/gbBKN7rxG05MKWr+6nC9tPoA51BtRm0oWHCubE5gHacCqMYV
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] It's A Simple Machine, Right?
From: Brian Borgstede <bborgstede@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 14:32:19 -0500
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If it were an ordinary push mower, I would say flywheel key. Fairly common if 
you hit something and stop the engine suddenly. It might have a spark, but the 
timing would be off. Just a thought.

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> On Jul 2, 2025, at 1:55 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've got a puzzle...
> 
>  tl;dr - should I try the plug first, skip ahead and replace the coil, or is 
> there something else I should try?
> 
> The patient is a Snapper rear-engine riding mower, a machine that's as simple 
> as can be.  Powered by a B&S Intek 12.5 HP engine, another simple machine.
> 
> My friend was cutting his grass and managed to get the grass chute tangled up 
> in some old fencing.  He got it loose, and continued to mow.  After a short 
> distance, the mower quit running and would not restart.
> 
> I brought it into my shop and we started troubleshooting. I first tried ether 
> - it seemed like it tried for a second, and then nothing.  Pulled the plug 
> and it looked wet.  Turned the engine over with the plug connected and 
> grounded, and observed a spark.  Not a magnificent spark, but a spark.  
> 
> Verified compression, but due to the position of the muffler, I could not get 
> *any* of my compression testers to seal in the hole well.  But it pushed 
> against my finger with some force.
> 
> Moved to the carb.  Pulled and inspected.  Float working, jet clear.
> 
> Put it all back together, and nothing.  
> 
> Pulled the ground wire off the magneto coil and no change.
> 
> So, I'm thinking weak coil.  Not completely dead, but not working under 
> cylinder pressure.  Something else I read suggested a bad plug - this one was 
> installed a month ago and has been working.  Date code on the engine 
> indicates it was built on April Fools Day, 2008.
> 
> In the era of $15 lawn mower coils, I would throw one on with no qualms.  But 
> at $40 or $50, I hesitate.
> 
> So,  tl;dr - should I try the plug first, skip ahead and replace the coil, or 
> is there something else I should try?
> 
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