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Re: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw

To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, Roger Elliott <elliottr@rmi.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:58:45 +0000 (UTC)
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Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive page on Whitworth bolts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
It looks like it might be a 7/32 which is between M5 and M6.=C2=A0 Good luc=
k finding one of those.
Moss has them and Rimmer Brothers have them (part no 104859).=C2=A0 I suspe=
ct there is one old bloke in the Lake District who still has the tooling an=
d is making them in his retirement.=C2=A0 Such was the nature of the Britis=
h Auto Industry in the early years after the war.
Seriously, I'll bet Rimmer contracted a large quantity (1,000?) be produced=
 and sold half of them to Moss.
But these are hex head rather than Pozidrive.=C2=A0 I have only a passing f=
amiliarity with machine shop operations but I suspect that making the hex h=
ead version is much easier to make using an NC lathe and hexagonal feed sto=
ck.=C2=A0 Making a Pozidrive (or even Philips) would require a stamping ope=
ration to form the head.=C2=A0 If you insist on Pozidrive maybe you can arr=
ange a swap with someone who has a Pozidrive screw and is willing to use th=
e hex head.
Dave=20


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    On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 07:30:40 PM CDT, Roger Elliott <elliottr@=
rmi.net> wrote:  =20

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Thanks Dave,
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I have a couple of the screws. (though mine have a Pozidriv head instead.=
=C2=A0 The problem is I have 2 rocker shafts that were tapped for the wrong=
 size. So, I am trying to figure out if I could tap them to the right size.
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What I said on a previous post was wrong.=C2=A0 I went back to a hardware s=
tore and the locating screw slid right into the M6x1 tester with out having=
 to turn it.=C2=A0 So it is smaller than that.=C2=A0 It would not go into a=
 M5x.8
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I suspect you are right about it being a Whitworth.
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Thanks,
 Roger
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 On 4/29/25 18:34, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
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  Moss lists these as=C2=A0=20
  https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating=20
  It may be whitworth or something.=20
     Dave=20
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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive page on=
 Whitworth bolts</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
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wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It look=
s like it might be a 7/32 which is between M5 and M6.&nbsp; Good luck findi=
ng one of those.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Moss has them and Rimmer Brothers have t=
hem (part no 104859).&nbsp; I suspect there is one old bloke in the Lake Di=
strict who still has the tooling and is making them in his retirement.&nbsp=
; Such was the nature of the British Auto Industry in the early years after=
 the war.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Seriously, I'll bet Rimmer contracted a large q=
uantity (1,000?) be produced and sold half of them to Moss.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">But these are hex head rather than Pozidrive.&nbsp; I have only a pass=
ing familiarity with machine shop operations but I suspect that making the =
hex head version is much easier to make using an NC lathe and hexagonal fee=
d stock.&nbsp; Making a Pozidrive (or even Philips) would require a stampin=
g operation to form the head.&nbsp; If you insist on Pozidrive maybe you ca=
n arrange a swap with someone who has a Pozidrive screw and is willing to u=
se the hex head.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp6b0d9f9bsignature"><d=
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                        On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 07:30:40 PM CDT, Roge=
r Elliott &lt;elliottr@rmi.net&gt; wrote:
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    <p>Thanks Dave,<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>I have a couple of the screws. (though mine have a Pozidriv head
      instead.&nbsp; The problem is I have 2 rocker shafts that were tapped
      for the wrong size. So, I am trying to figure out if I could tap
      them to the right size.<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>What I said on a previous post was wrong.&nbsp; I went back to a
      hardware store and the locating screw slid right into the M6x1
      tester with out having to turn it.&nbsp; So it is smaller than that.&=
nbsp;
      It would not go into a M5x.8<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>I suspect you are right about it being a Whitworth.<br clear=3D"none=
">
    </p>
    <p>Thanks,<br clear=3D"none">
      Roger<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <div id=3D"ydp3e1984cdyiv2435572665yqt25310" class=3D"ydp3e1984cdyiv243=
5572665yqt1383488318"><div class=3D"ydp3e1984cdyiv2435572665moz-cite-prefix=
">On 4/29/25 18:34, DAVID MASSEY wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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          <div dir=3D"ltr">Moss lists these as&nbsp;</div>
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/323-215-screw-shaft-locating" class=3D"ydp3e1984cdyiv2435572665moz-txt-lin=
k-freetext" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://mossmotors.com/323-2=
15-screw-shaft-locating</a></div>
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          <div dir=3D"ltr">It may be whitworth or
            something.</div>
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                <div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br clear=3D"none">
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