From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 11:17:10 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE8B427FC for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5536B4271D for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm29.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 17:14:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.203] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 17:14:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 17:14:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1378055649; bh=7Sw469W/cnbCsIUmN9BFWX++6buvSx1t7PqQdYzFfjE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=a/fUL4ZHREdDiP7IyK/Jx8zS6Y6Q1F0gKph0d8h7BhO5yCi8u06X1nMdCpYchVc57ymzYw9lHXP7TPQDN0gij7MRWqDr4028Bx+q5jm3cG7ewqkfY4mtMAYn0ryHxQnp6TT1RZGojYg87z2KPvu0FefEQggBEMBZ9TFPLClmWSs= dhiVpaPo3Vo056161Xeep7aegJe0bCym596B6zwkXQDBxnMXJeKyFHzDw7yN haOCzoBe4BsuRjh3MIAqgiZvGb02AFz6f19buc_mSz9e6VhLe2T98modVu.X w1PoVrGN4HiJbEWUnyfXGScqjJdfDNBYcf2ElvJoU8klm6UfMUs7wd278XVX Pa_jw5rJug6cvJhp6RZmklYqi8lzLyqb1mt7Vk2FLbqyvSK5XlG9cUZWKFOT 3n8R1.Lz2yDODSbShZ2_rZkbYglnikRShTB_GqJH1ftQmDJuGQjurf7v5QXe Uf6O8yiLUS1YYLYi1pfhDSgmVjzUYafdLz9owfxuyRFNIs.RBlp9p82rLxkD N9ZU55f7l61EkPclz1hiKdwg8jRWjqsRd6u1myGcA6FvSczQ3jIvQyY2vK.g gWT6E49y7GbOhglTRoOCCSOb2_6NDKbVMAZBz07VO1T1bfTZlY8wYvA9H8Ru 8550PpAcuv3Y.Kvlz_HPy0Ar3wcWMLXe1X3J4 with ) by smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2013 10:14:09 -0700 PDT From: Rob Pennington Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:14:02 -0400 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Rebuilding Laycock clutch assembly? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in the process of putting my car back on the road after letting it sit in the barn for about five years due to work constraints. It is a sort of lucky 'barn find' and I have removed mouse nests and piles of chewed up acorns and hickory nuts from interior corners after pulling the seats out and five years of dirt and bird droppings from the exterior. One of the fun parts is figuring out what to do about a replacement clutch. The A-type transmission is out of the car now and a rebuilt J-type is ready to go in. The engine is mostly stock and the car is going to be a daily driver, which is what I had been using it for before parking it in the barn. I have a Laycock clutch disk and pressure plate on a spare motor that I am wondering about rebuilding instead of using the new parts that I have. I already had a Luk clutch disk and pressure plate with a Gunst bearing on the shelf for a few years that I had planned to put in but am now reconsidering. The new Luk pp has fingers that look odd to me as they aren't flat. Instead they have a concave curve that poit upwards if it is laid face down. If the fingers were longer they would intersect in a point somewhere back in the transmission. Is this normal? Any opinions on rebuilding the Laycock parts versus new Luk parts? Anyone have any experience with clutch rebuilders that they would be willing to share? Thanks for any comments or suggestions. Rob ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 12:48:20 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1646C42772 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A9C406B1 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU171-W99 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:46:47 -0700 From: im sloane To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:46:47 +0000 References: <48066799-C6A2-4AA7-A6B0-E2EDDBDDB8B1@yahoo.com> FILETIME=[9CF1E8F0:01CEA743] Subject: [6pack] Stromberg question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys, My new project is a 72 Spitfire. So I hope you don't mind a cross model question or two, as I trust this list extremely. I'm having trouble getting the carb (cute little thing only has one) adjusted properly. I 'rebuilt' it, meaning I took it apart, cleaned it up some, and replaced all the 'obvious' parts from a rebuild kit. I didn't use any of the little O-rings as I wasn't certain where they went. So I'm sure I haven't done a great job. I understand (from various websites) that the first task of adjustment is to get the idle at about 900. When it warms up, it wants to float up to about 2000. I have the little adjustment tool, and I noticed that when I push the piston down with the outer thingie, the idle drops down. The piston floats back up a bit elsewise. Something I read made me think I could have a weak piston spring. I do have the idle screw backed all the way out. Suggestions? Sloane :-) ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 13:51:01 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A37D42754 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DD04056A for <6PACK@AUTOX.TEAM.NET>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:49:11 -0600 (MDT) a=3HFwzXD4bAznbwvGbZh7BA==:17 a=ZEFdhw8ZcHcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=vx9V-Fm6LUYA:10 a=ZGAvnBoYnM9wEhM9wjwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=zwKsRxpQjwC5YP4fDeoA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=LtFHx767YoNvOjkP:21 a=3HFwzXD4bAznbwvGbZh7BA==:117 Received: from [65.31.58.192] ([65.31.58.192:58124] helo=DalePC) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 84/BF-14028-63A93225; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 19:49:10 +0000 From: "Dale Katzfey" To: "6 PACK LIST" <6PACK@AUTOX.TEAM.NET> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:49:10 -0400 Subject: [6pack] Clutch not working Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net He is what has happened. First, I did not run the car for 2 years. Sat in a garage. Second, I did get her started. Third, pushed in the clutch and tried to get it in reverse, gears started to grind. Tried other gears and could not engage. Fourth, bled the lines and made sure that the slave cylinder was moving. It was moving pretty well. I didn't measure it. Clutch still didn't disengage Fifth, I jacked up the rear wheels and started it in gear. Wheels spun in forward and reverse. Pulled the hand break with the clutch in and out. I just could not get the clutch to release. Even stalled the engine with the hand break and clutch depressed. The clutch is probably about 15 years old, but only has about 20,000 miles on it. Do I have to get to the clutch or is there something else I can do to free it up? I really don't want to pull the transmission again. Thanks for your help. Dale ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 14:05:22 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ADD406B1 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1164540415 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED67A0E6F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 14:04:57 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <48066799-C6A2-4AA7-A6B0-E2EDDBDDB8B1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Stromberg question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net im sloane wrote: > Hi guys, > > My new project is a 72 Spitfire. So I hope you don't mind a cross model > question or two, as I trust this list extremely. > You may want to subscribe to the Team.Net spitfires list, if you have not already done so. In general the inability to get a smooth, consistent idle is due to air leaks in the intake system or the carb butterfly not closing properly due to linkage issues or being misaligned. Assuming of course, it isn't an electrical problem. But the easiest is to check for air leaks in the manifold gaskets, so I'd do that first. mjb. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 14:06:19 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FD44272D for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm48-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm48-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6758340537 for <6PACK@autox.team.net>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm48.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 20:06:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.10] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 20:06:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 20:06:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1378065972; bh=gwyVplYn0ryBdYGKen8kSrMNHdg5N1del8wKQen3XBQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Z1E+7PD/8ecaQyjByMhJHdulh2ZqujvFWBuMERTJ0KGAxs3GSKjI5ok0r3G1DL9HuvTpFYqwQMkHGAyyZNwM3rP9uX1PAszWAmiMX99lsA7wi8h2mv8TJ1oR5Yg9pjfZE2GrNkf9Gmc8t9KVt5c4ITdSdznatY7sS1qtheA/KFM= lvm0F6YIgvekJ4Pm29yj3Ga4RWUeK3IFbFi6SKV3JvbboGyjh_iY_w8GOGjs DFGLdGHbV.4EWp5xkNv1Z.ZeVHIfygkQ0ID1h41B0CA3.9XWRtZdWV_sdOGf 2f2Uy3Viq86lIq5f2Vf0mt0Ixj2CaGrBDbB7jwjg8_l5QESfzaURlkqjmVP1 sWuaPLc4fgllG_22eNdcAxK1KizraBvckGStHTGyPu8TvlnZlIXvfDEUh6qn uZCxzsYtutoOeGC0zpY6MJAIC0aggXQd8wLiJC_7rsl3GVGb3XaOPwf5rBXB _tuYXwEUlNkgMG55L.iF3_tTQjXC.CkE6RaPzHgtIxusRm47iT2s7g1f9tlX XEVKJoM0ZuRRmzCCohA0ON5hg5Aht7uLY_yjdcYRgV57t.9deHn08vOyq3SO 8S603xwF4e00nSP4LwefSUyVmQrdjU8aBcmWDPAvXDn_hoAGxBC7wpyrrACT 49YXtYpjt.dKc0x6vLusGWNqpyV5DOdRzBS80lhb9MVO2dqGrepB1xqAFQ.X 467_5x3961.tmJA.tcVe3ADiq5MD9P2zY70mePKOaxasTo5s_xEjXmnYtFcC jSgQ- with ) by smtp110.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2013 13:06:12 -0700 PDT References: From: Rob Pennington Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:06:05 -0400 To: Dale Katzfey Cc: 6 PACK LIST <6PACK@AUTOX.TEAM.NET> Subject: Re: [6pack] Clutch not working Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I just went through this with my car after it sat for about five years. The disk is frozen to the flywheel. I had lots of room for this so i didn't runinto anything. I started the car in first gear with the clutch depressed, which takes a good battery and a car that starts up reasonably well. The car was moving along in first gear with the clutch still depressed. I gave it some gas to make the car try to accelerate and and then backed off. This was basically stressing the frozen connection between the friction disk and the flywheel by having the clutch pedal still pressed. After several times the clutch disk broke free and started working again. Best of luck! Rob 74 TR6 On Sep 1, 2013, at 15:49, "Dale Katzfey" wrote: > He is what has happened. > First, I did not run the car for 2 years. Sat in a garage. > Second, I did get her started. > Third, pushed in the clutch and tried to get it in reverse, gears started to > grind. Tried other gears and could not engage. > Fourth, bled the lines and made sure that the slave cylinder was moving. It > was moving pretty well. I didn't measure it. > Clutch still didn't disengage > Fifth, I jacked up the rear wheels and started it in gear. Wheels spun in > forward and reverse. Pulled the hand break with the clutch in and out. I > just could not get the clutch to release. Even stalled the engine with the > hand break and clutch depressed. > > The clutch is probably about 15 years old, but only has about 20,000 miles on > it. > > Do I have to get to the clutch or is there something else I can do to free it > up? I really don't want to pull the transmission again. > > Thanks for your help. > > Dale > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rlpennington1@yahoo.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 15:39:09 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEB642915 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC8F406A1 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU171-W130 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:35:41 -0700 From: im sloane To: Dale Katzfey Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 21:35:41 +0000 References: , <7C3ACBE0-49B5-400A-BFDD-FCF824FE4928@yahoo.com> FILETIME=[353F81A0:01CEA75B] Cc: 6 PACK LIST <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Clutch not working Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net We had this problem on my brother's 73. He's an expert at 'floating' the clutch, truck driver lingo for not using the clutch to shift. Just driving around, not being rough with it, it suddenly snapped free. You do have to start it off with the key. Google Float Shifting or floating the clutch for info. I can do it, but just not as well has he. Triumph transmissions are especially good at this. I pretty much won't let you put it into gear in the the RPM is right. Sloane :) > 74 TR6 > > On Sep 1, 2013, at 15:49, "Dale Katzfey" wrote: > > > He is what has happened. > > First, I did not run the car for 2 years. Sat in a garage. > > Second, I did get her started. > > Third, pushed in the clutch and tried to get it in reverse, gears started > to > > grind. Tried other gears and could not engage. > > Fourth, bled the lines and made sure that the slave cylinder was moving. > It > > was moving pretty well. I didn't measure it. > > Clutch still didn't disengage > > Fifth, I jacked up the rear wheels and started it in gear. Wheels spun in > > forward and reverse. Pulled the hand break with the clutch in and out. I > > just could not get the clutch to release. Even stalled the engine with the > > hand break and clutch depressed. > > > > The clutch is probably about 15 years old, but only has about 20,000 miles > on > > it. > > > > Do I have to get to the clutch or is there something else I can do to free > it > > up? I really don't want to pull the transmission again. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Dale > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rlpennington1@yahoo.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/im_sloane@hotmail.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 07:21:40 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1305406A7 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 07:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7F240450; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 07:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130902131408.NWEJ10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:14:08 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id LDE81m0033enFnk05DE8AL; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 09:14:08 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Dqd7sUegF68A:10 a=mkuR5niSAAAA:8 a=qUyqtUunZqHC7DRSFIIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=LIPOeXZ5RS25ZxYR5JMA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ZyDtjAueHFmkUVMT:21 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Spitfire list'" , , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:14:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6n3greZKHyr+UlQ+W3n0ZVKykLLw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [6pack] CT Triumph Gathering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Listers - Just a reminder that the Connecticut Triumph Register will be holding our 33rd Annual Gathering of British Motorcars this coming Sunday, September 8th at Wickham Park in Manchester, Conn. Please visit our website at http://www.CTriumph.com for details. A registration form can be downloaded from the website. This is a participant - judged gathering and hasn't been rained out yet in the previous 32 years. Hope to see you there. Thanks. Alex Thomson Treasurer, CTR ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 16:12:07 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA0A429BC for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F8F40042 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:11:37 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EXQIEkED7hbCfN5WVTfbj+BCZPtUfTGCyfUAZqRzL/eZv8Mk57ERmyw1G65Giezu; h=Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.79.51.176] (helo=DellDesktop) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VGcLQ-0006EB-3F; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:11:36 -0400 From: "Tomislav Marincic" To: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:11:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6oKWDgUHNGk+HlQquWzP60MQUL4g== Content-Language: en-us Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Clutch not working Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net 1. Put car in 4th gear, engine off, parking brake released 2. Have someone sit in the car with the clutch pedal depressed 3. Have 2-3 guys rock the car back and forth until the clutch disk becomes unstuck from the pressure plate. 4. Repeat each spring. All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 17:41:56 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CBA429CE for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:41:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AF042830 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130902233556.OHXO6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11>; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:35:56 -0400 Received: from UserPC ([96.32.2.169]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id LPbw1m00U3enFnk05PbwbG; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 19:35:56 -0400 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=UsYAYLsGhM0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bdodV2UG5rykA-IAE5sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=gdY3lKrP8J3mFNlESoTTgw==:117 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Dale Katzfey'" , "'6 PACK LIST'" <6PACK@AUTOX.TEAM.NET> References: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:35:55 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGBpbqQ0ZLfxHjqRI6zQPA1LyGUNZpNHNrg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [6pack] Clutch not working Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Dale - On vehicles that have a removable inspection plate at the bottom of the bell housing, one can have an assistant push on the clutch pedal while using a sharp chisel or other thin blade to pry the clutch disk away from the flywheel. That trick has worked for me on several older trucks after attempting with no success to free up the offending disk by gently launching the vehicle against something solid like a loading dock or a tree. Alas, no inspection plates on a TR6. I have often thought about locating the proper spot for a 3/4" pipe plug on the bell housing for such an occasion. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dale Katzfey Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 3:49 PM To: 6 PACK LIST Subject: [6pack] Clutch not working He is what has happened. First, I did not run the car for 2 years. Sat in a garage. Second, I did get her started. Third, pushed in the clutch and tried to get it in reverse, gears started to grind. Tried other gears and could not engage. Fourth, bled the lines and made sure that the slave cylinder was moving. It was moving pretty well. I didn't measure it. Clutch still didn't disengage Fifth, I jacked up the rear wheels and started it in gear. Wheels spun in forward and reverse. Pulled the hand break with the clutch in and out. I just could not get the clutch to release. Even stalled the engine with the hand break and clutch depressed. The clutch is probably about 15 years old, but only has about 20,000 miles on it. Do I have to get to the clutch or is there something else I can do to free it up? I really don't want to pull the transmission again. Thanks for your help. Dale ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/aljlthomson@charter.net ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 09:52:23 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8791C40413 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DBE40401 for <6PACK@autox.team.net>; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id u16so9884893iet.6 for <6PACK@autox.team.net>; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 07:21:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=JE9MJY7hhsA9Y70V2ra4Gm9rFdbh/jEZ1Qo7981Vcr0=; b=C6hHCZq5g3ewO3yl++QNs9kbxLkR5J0SyWItAKyPMwc1gsiOl7d5Bkix6ZwoZzMKxp qCN4hPIvrv03SGQHkmkwI6V4XWNZ8BN/DCignBggZjB8eNFhYopOwq7q+cOW2YkKCEJ2 z9p7OxhoNB2GyDOeyifSf7GpFVUHVhAawWu4y10f38tuuCEU+K/xd9gl7fmCpgd3OQXz 6rNFc9S50l4IMvew8fuFnyI72C/RuZaF3h3LU7HN/LBXlE9htXskI//NOpn9HPWs0p+V ctn6ylzr1MSvGJaIOh/w3TqTVUlMYjL5dQfVCF/i9unFEPe9GZMnLzFJZm9MQcKwrs2g hpkw== i4mr16074553igg.33.1378218087594; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 07:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.122.100 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Friedlander Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:21:06 -0400 To: 6 PACK LIST <6PACK@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Car Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hey list! No doubt this subject has been discussed before but is there some consensus about a quality car cover for the Six? I know there are different grades of covers, depending upon whether the car is stored in a garage or outdoors but is there a brand with better made construction and fit/quality at a reasonable price? I'd be interested in hearing any related feedback... Thanks! Dave Friedlander '74 Six w/TBI Sunny Maine ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 11:29:25 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E1840417 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:29:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC6240414 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id k14so10763394iea.19 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:29:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=ePDwgo+j0OccdNVbUVmDFf3KwwCKtslmWaSDcr2nEu0=; b=hLx08UpuvLsOVA5Ojo4vwcpIOn5PW1d/vrQKrUBPA4ysQS9pbuBGyt/LSqDPA5mFPL 6+7TkJmRfePEgIhzjGrrTvGqkLLhHM6ntlky3bD+1muksrmOJWsCtjT66NRJHeCY6zww eUg4VMg2i6F4yZEV26cnzj0pmJrG5jcvbs0EH/PwDT2AUF9KvwGjT8DBhH/Rsm4ABYyE iiUDNF8hwNC49YVvidno6ycrlzO0nfocPOL4E/eugLKI2UVc/gJw4VHpNIxjxJA4brnc RGbW7G9cj+Y0QssJndY45S/oXnVWhcfLc5NQJWxSCVASapUPQ8ROZT1IYNqSI/5HdRiA fepg== t17mr16921289igr.28.1378229356393; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.122.100 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <9EBB3CB7-5AA1-4168-B988-42481C1C364C@comcast.net> From: David Friedlander Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:28:56 -0400 To: William Pugh Cc: 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Car Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Bill. It's hard to judge quality by price. The NOAH cover is the first one of 20 I see here: http://www.autoanything.com/car-covers/Triumph/TR6/111A50166A10004A0A50A959A1 .aspx It would seem one could spend more for the covers other than the NOAH but, perhaps, not get a better cover for the extra $$. Cheers! Dave On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:04 PM, William Pugh wrote: > For indoor use you cannot beat the NOAH level cover. > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:21 AM, David Friedlander wrote: > > Hey list! > > No doubt this subject has been discussed before but is there some consensus > about a quality car cover for the Six? I know there are different grades of > covers, depending upon whether the car is stored in a garage or outdoors > but > is there a brand with better made construction and fit/quality at a > reasonable > price? I'd be interested in hearing any related feedback... > > Thanks! > > Dave Friedlander > '74 Six w/TBI > Sunny Maine > > ________________________________________ > > > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 18:23:23 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF1640527 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B284042E for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id LoKS1m0072QmmGk01oKTBh; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:19:27 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <9EBB3CB7-5AA1-4168-B988-42481C1C364C@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:59:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [6pack] Car Cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net a miata cover fits really well. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 21:49:02 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702D242BA1 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D4142B1B; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id MfoS1m0012QmmGk01foS3E; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 20:48:27 -0700 From: "Dave" To: , "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <20130906030200.MG6Q0.20809.root@hrndva-web22-z02> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:48:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I'm running 10.5+ with absolutely no problems. of course, that requires premium -----Original Message----- From: glemon@neb.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:01 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net ; Jonas Payne Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Cylinder Head You would get the most bang for the buck from shaving the head 9.5/1 is usually considered a safe CR for a street car. A machine shop guy told ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 07:24:03 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DD14273F for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A164003A for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 05:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2013 11:24:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.194] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2013 11:24:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2013 11:24:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 86328 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2013 11:24:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379244270; bh=C8UQpU4DzoLgYz/amX36tH3WGhGNgSNPk5sDsEq+3JM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Nd/hHLCRkRuRSiDW2EcGeWTbK/cUY0ypZg8/2XH2c/F2vjcCaTbYgtQBra54uM+cbpVqZlGct2ubZiXNBcivSIdKYPQHAh9ShTGBAOOyRFoivcbilyZc4sv3svGcGwW6np/5pwgE4JgSAxggRiG7wWjTZ3/65ezTGUD6IWrvxBc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SDjFz8YY+EhL5QPmXAOYUh4jd6ETnK+ufrMkuqkpgdSQHYHPSSv/q2p27+i6GKIwO8Au7WJnJ6FFJisDuerfzJfkCqJFOm3CVc7wjp4jhO3BiaPclJ9E5eVa9QaKFA4ij8QJtf+kJyCoKWjGH9NqRpS2pkhI+wywNgjkjiPlN6E=; DAgOrDGmxlnQEuXbK89z2MNzampsQVdiV2rnOmOwi6NbUwg87UqJXG9jt21b VJAtDSlJCKpGehIzdYY_E08RcyUqhLJTzaYuN8o0mCT2TwhSO1ldS5_nre6u H6.cqWcUoACizIml7MIaHfK0kyByBS5xqre7_S4SY5Nl84Gk.jnhZPp8P8QQ UmUE8liCEOS6.w8Erm2P2uMcQ4XtzmGuasW3tG64D1LaznkF6f4lTmnNypTg jnfeyZL6JSZsxooIs_FYM1t0nbMj2D4N04X.0ImvuGi0XDYt5hAGr64qrEIW pvsk5MwGKc6mlKtAC0gWfjJVZDOl30bWc5YUvu4t2Jusy1JKXxmvHzu.ZlFA c_WAAE6johhK9ZJFmOvQd9JYH4JWbCYivxz.5NWT1LyZvqIQ_d9ZuDRVLaX0 Q6XNqDywquXFGbbp0MzhR9tDn_.zm.Hh.BKeQFzgRzBE8blcoGVHP3MtAXDl yG4jcfLqO8oOsiKbm2EiLgkVth5h4sij5eNezEDq5jcSCHQRZ.Y73Mnzcmtp cXRM3FKNc3Y6gDWDt7ezYLtgcdGkgKw-- Received: from [70.161.86.23] by web125503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 04:24:30 PDT QW5kcmV3CsKgClRyeSBwdXR0aW5nIGEgcm9sbCBwaW4gaW4gdGhlIGV4dGVybmFsIGxpbmUgdG8gdGhlIGhlYWQuIFRoaXMgd2lsbCBzdGlsbCBhbGxvdyBvaWwgdG8gZmVlZCB0byB0aGUgdmFsdmUgdHJhaW4gYnV0IGdpdmUgdGhlIHJlc3Qgb2YgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBtb3JlIHByZXNzdXJlLiBJIGhhdmUgaGVhcmQgdGhhdCB0aGUgZXh0ZXJuYWwgbGluZSBvdmVyIGZlZWRzIHRoZSB2YWx2ZSB0cmFpbiBhbmQgdGhpcyBmaXggc2VydmVzIHR3byBwdXJwb3Nlcy4gU2xvd2luZyB0aGUgYW1vdW50IG9mIG9pbCABMAEBAQE- References: <19A22A05-ED0C-4536-A6D3-1C6B00829876@att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 04:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dale To: Andrew Packard , 6 Digest <6pack@autox.team.net>, "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [6pack] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew Try putting a roll pin in the external line to the head. This will still allow oil to feed to the valve train but give the rest of the engine more pressure. I have heard that the external line over feeds the valve train and this fix serves two purposes. Slowing the amount of oil to the top end and giving much needed pressure to the rest of the engine. Dale ________________________________ From: Andrew Packard To: 6 Digest <6pack@autox.team.net>; fot@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: [6pack] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems Hello Triumph problem solvers. I nearly have my TR250 ready for Triumphest/VTR after an engine rebuild. I'm trying to solve a problem now with maintaining consistent oil pressure. When I first ran the car after the rebuild, the 20 minutes at 2000 rpm start, I had Castrol 5W30 and ZDDP additive. After the engine really got up to temperature, I had trouble with maintaining oil pressure, dropping way down close to zero at idle. A mechanic friend of mine checked it out with me and with the rocker cover off, we saw little flow at the rockers at idle. I had an external oiling line on my shelf so I added that and saw very good flow at start up when oil pressure was about 65 and settled down to just under 50 as it started to get warm, but continued to drop to the same near zero level once it was at temperature. Today I changed the oil to 20W50 Castrol with Lucas ZDDP break-in additive. Same symptoms. I drove the car about four miles near my house and at temperature, I was running at 20-25 psi when driving, dropping to near zero at stop signs. When I arrived home, I removed the quite hot valve cover oil fill cap and started the car. Very little oil was dancing around, if any, at idle. I revved the car a bit and saw sufficient oil flowing and splattering in there. Now I don't know what to do. I have the braided oil pressure line from TSI. I don't think my gauge is bad with oil flow symptoms consistent with the pressure readings. Could the oil pressure regulator be an issue? Mine is relatively new from BPNW. I do have a second one I could swap in. The oil pump was new with the rebuild. Any advice or guidance is appreciated. Andy Packard CD6746L President - Triumph Travelers Autocross Chair - 2013 Triumphest/VTR ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tpdwinch@yahoo.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 18:14:18 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585B1403F2 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040E8403C7; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id jt11so4611353pbb.38 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:09:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Xie7sLH5gdKvwQSvrJcykUuIAsZI08lE55RzzR8zvkA=; b=IAHVR/NrBsn/5wnVekXhUfg+8OHGvNnroWc0kRjhiTq1gJZULI3PWFl3qM6CFrBWvo P49Jg2lcEFkFX56QFHpTBG3evwi7144NZx5CVKfHI4TO73h9EOmecG682Lv4XMlslq4J UPAjrI+d/rN4Y9MGcSCxXtCnSshqOt9z/e2AhM51DSoCdgXU+L2HibHab3QjPG6ZcGyM Fo4Ia/z1wHvR/GxJyoXwSzl4PTu6UuJWB/fEWkNpyLbmcABMz8/yaGOKlHktnCMtb1cq kcO2PhHwWBNS27QEV8JgtPiGsHByUFxb8IsEr2qnpe1uQk/KNLn1dkHOwKjmYPNpcx+N /Hqg== o3mr17872433pbd.60.1379369378620; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.135.195 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:09:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <19A22A05-ED0C-4536-A6D3-1C6B00829876@att.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:09:38 -0400 From: robert fabie To: Andrew Packard Cc: FOT , 6 Digest <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, Contact the person who rebuilt the engine. The oil pressure problem you describe will not be solved with a roll pin, or by changing the viscosity of the oil. It very well could be a bad oil pump. It could be defective or improperly installed. If the one you removed was up to spec and working fine, that's the first thing I would revert back to. I assume all the bearing tolerances were checked with plastic-gauge, are correct and were properly installed. I'm sure you checked for the screw that holds the rockers in place. If it's missing, oil to the rocker assembly is greatly compromised, but even this would not account for the oil pressure you're reporting since the oil pressure is read at the block. Please let us know what you find. Best, Bob Fabie '75 On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > Hello Triumph problem solvers. > > I nearly have my TR250 ready for Triumphest/VTR after an engine rebuild. > I'm > trying to solve a problem now with maintaining consistent oil pressure. > When > I first ran the car after the rebuild, the 20 minutes at 2000 rpm start, I > had > Castrol 5W30 and ZDDP additive. After the engine really got up to > temperature, I had trouble with maintaining oil pressure, dropping way down > close to zero at idle. A mechanic friend of mine checked it out with me > and > with the rocker cover off, we saw little flow at the rockers at idle. I > had > an external oiling line on my shelf so I added that and saw very good flow > at > start up when oil pressure was about 65 and settled down to just under 50 > as > it started to get warm, but continued to drop to the same near zero level > once > it was at temperature. > > Today I changed the oil to 20W50 Castrol with Lucas ZDDP break-in additive. > Same symptoms. I drove the car about four miles near my house and at > temperature, I was running at 20-25 psi when driving, dropping to near > zero at > stop signs. When I arrived home, I removed the quite hot valve cover oil > fill > cap and started the car. Very little oil was dancing around, if any, at > idle. > I revved the car a bit and saw sufficient oil flowing and splattering in > there. > > Now I don't know what to do. I have the braided oil pressure line from > TSI. > I don't think my gauge is bad with oil flow symptoms consistent with the > pressure readings. Could the oil pressure regulator be an issue? Mine is > relatively new from BPNW. I do have a second one I could swap in. The oil > pump was new with the rebuild. > > Any advice or guidance is appreciated. > > Andy Packard > CD6746L > President - Triumph Travelers > Autocross Chair - 2013 Triumphest/VTR > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie@gmail.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 23:03:35 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D21403E3 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C3C4038B for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 21:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.174] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 03:37:17 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.144] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 03:37:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 03:37:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379389037; bh=E1Pie/+Pd4ebXW2YnsQsH5iwQXNR1VbO2t7xizXxhNE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=0qce3Or3yslbG2FNYYiveMZGZgBz7CAsb+KTJ6PgJ01J0uzbUtemko2Svkim3b6JjK8WZIHkB7L9cnxzIZbZsihZVSA78aZRlHhG0Hd1GoZtjqmF8TTLWM6ytyo9zNUMQZcGhR6msoCJ7uuKf1yVelLC8B8UCLml3aZ24rsj1QM= mSEjmTEh03aXrZt_DnydP77tK3t36ZcQspSfpnMIHGvjoGmqZj43WB.6Qmpu SE3hg2tPENncO853LrVczZzQN.sDOWpNIE.xtesO2dU5.lFbgc2eG9DG9sAH HgQFSQC8.Tw4awsJD9NRDMOecBpaQhi8dVn4hFygoJLGI4kyHU8NVFWpoyXS rnlxLnUq2rI_EeawSMXRCij2VelujcG7jG8d2zy_YhBCq03TSxdBoxPTo.Ou elGhYmlUORmKC4Nx1Vxx2JzwS.S30QxrHYpAvqrr9dhqXzG8Xz76MEO6IqdH CaMmeoW5KaDgOZ7ZTCXHvmylRCQZFhv2ZPFSMvc.hqi7COyeOrO9186Nf2Pw pyycsEBTqGufkhotDjJriVjgUPofnXXNVTdBjBKF2XM8nYZl._0IwlrtOYw8 eEBEII0_hon2ncQ865wsvyfioB.vljkz5mos4doXS2sRke08CGij0p3gRaeX K9im39AGgNEwPMTSbJwsOWe.63HEUR4orUhCEoaKLcU.MFazFs8MhWRx02Q- - by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2013 03:37:17 +0000 UTC From: Andrew Packard Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:37:15 -0700 References: <19A22A05-ED0C-4536-A6D3-1C6B00829876@att.net> To: fot@autox.team.net, 6 Digest <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] [Fot] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all for the great responses to my oil pressure issue. With all of your responses I have a nice progression of items to check from least to most invasive. To answer several questions you have asked for clarification, here are my answers. Spin on oil filter with Wix 51516 filter. No oil cooler. Engine block was magnafluxed. Goodparts roller rockers with screw in tact. New oil pump replaced somewhat new pump that had scoring. I did not check the clearances of the pump prior or during installation. No cam shaft bearings. pistons are 40 over with 10.25:1 compression per Kas's measurements in the prep manual. I will update the group when I have a chance to investigate further later this week. Thanks and I hope to see many of you at Triumphest/VTR! Andy Packard CD6746L On Sep 15, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Irv Korey wrote: > Andy, > > The spring in the oil pressure relief valve weakens with age. You said it was relatively new, but we all know that new parts are not the same quality as the original parts. Perhaps that is your issue? You can check this by putting a washer under the spring to act as a shim. If your pressure readings go up then you need a new spring in there. > > Re-reading your post, I see you put in a new oil pump. Referring back to my above statement that the new parts are not always equal in quality to the old parts, I would suggest swapping the old pump back in and see what happens. I KNOW that there have been some issues with the new pumps. I don't remember the particulars, but some people had complete failures with the currently available pumps. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (6-Pack Forum maybe) that blueprinting the oem pumps was actually preferred using the new pumps. > > The braided line from Ted should not have an effect on your pressure readings. > > HTH and good luck. I'll see you in a couple of weeks. > > Irv Korey ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 11:41:06 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5F9403B1 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD70440075 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 17:33:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 17:33:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 17:33:46 -0000 FO0pmK_ZbYQLXlBu.avb2Y2yiJCVgizw98TyPiJ88lkYhJQtV9vpnPtr8j._ KL_KNJfpUp6VJSOCqDFMG6tOKbDJixonflMZ37FN1EP47YQ1mf5Gj0dG_.wN dT27TXEVrOWgTU5Ahs0OB99XyLYUEKMtvaVA9vqiiRvtViKkYbeKY.ZqbLuH skW68PNxizHDOMdsycdRCjkJ3AVbPBgmELAaGjPArfPr5D6Cg5y85_1t4Z60 .3PBRu7n0K5cwiIkb92Wuq_dDEOenpdDXmSKb6TK74pvQyhlpxoZGTU07Mk3 Va71F5cEGGbftLBDUcKqqAycq7JoeRMO_OW4BXRZTWsLAqOt_n1nHiO7FIdb PiKHnCo9MIa2dqCmoODxUG_PF3PwPERaEMqT0Ae.tAK1wmcao6rIeTjRQ1dT hVRpT67f_dEp7ROr5r2h8f760i6ufxZIFkspbtKNKJmL1AC7RAg0FNu6B6on Hk26pRGT226Muxv7K9gwhwQULYvrxTTq8njeKSKUHOidQLmkmXgYazmve0Ps 1.EhvvfIzB.l8swAbqQHP3b0wy1DvMTfMUkfbImPyShvbrgXE5jQ- plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2013 10:33:45 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:33:49 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: 6pack@autox.team.net, "FOT@autox.team.net" References: <19A22A05-ED0C-4536-A6D3-1C6B00829876@att.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Help needed, TR250 engine rebuild oil pressure problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I have a TR250 that I have had since new. It was showing the same problems for some time before I finally did something about it. I assumed the bearings were worn out, so at 110,000 miles I tore it down for a rebuild. It was in excellent shape considering the mileage (with no overdrive). The bearing journals showed a small amount of wear, but were well within the wear limits and the cylinders were showing marginal taper. This is a mostly stock motor, so we went 0.020 over (or maybe 0.030) on the cylinders and installed new bearings, but did not grind the crank or install cam bearings. With the small amount of wear elsewhere, I thought cam bearings could wait until the next time around. We put a new oil pump in it, because the TR250 pump is said to be marginal. After the rebuild, it was still showing some of these symptoms but to a lesser degree. I got new relief valve springs, both stock and "heavy duty". The relief valve on these engines does not seem to be up to the task, because with 20-50 oil, it pegs the pressure gauge at startup, but then settles down to about 40 - 45 psi at 2,500 rpm (on a 100 degree day) with the heavy duty springs. The pressure is about 5 psi less than with the stock spring. I believe the manual calls for something like 40 to 60 psi at 2,000. It still shows the very low pressure at 800 rpm idle. The relief valve is probably not open at idle. I believe this is just a basic engine design issue. Perhaps since this engine grew from a much smaller one, the oiling system did not keep pace. Cam bearings may help the problem, but installation is nontrivial since the block must be line bored. As long as you are getting good flow to the rockers at running speed, I would not worry too much about rocker lubrication at idle. I do not use an external line to the rockers, because that would further reduce the oil pressure and oil flow to the bearings, which is much more critical than the rockers. The best solution would be a higher volume pump. The later TR6 pumps are supposed to be better, but I couldn't tell any major difference. Is there a higher volume pump available? A larger capacity relief valve would also be an improvement. Ed Barnard mentioned a cracked block issue. I believe mine was crack tested, but will have to check with the machine shop. Larry Young On 9/14/2013 7:55 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > Hello Triumph problem solvers. > > I nearly have my TR250 ready for Triumphest/VTR after an engine rebuild. I'm > trying to solve a problem now with maintaining consistent oil pressure. When > I first ran the car after the rebuild, the 20 minutes at 2000 rpm start, I had > Castrol 5W30 and ZDDP additive. After the engine really got up to > temperature, I had trouble with maintaining oil pressure, dropping way down > close to zero at idle. A mechanic friend of mine checked it out with me and > with the rocker cover off, we saw little flow at the rockers at idle. I had > an external oiling line on my shelf so I added that and saw very good flow at > start up when oil pressure was about 65 and settled down to just under 50 as > it started to get warm, but continued to drop to the same near zero level once > it was at temperature. > > Today I changed the oil to 20W50 Castrol with Lucas ZDDP break-in additive. > Same symptoms. I drove the car about four miles near my house and at > temperature, I was running at 20-25 psi when driving, dropping to near zero at > stop signs. When I arrived home, I removed the quite hot valve cover oil fill > cap and started the car. Very little oil was dancing around, if any, at idle. > I revved the car a bit and saw sufficient oil flowing and splattering in > there. > > Now I don't know what to do. I have the braided oil pressure line from TSI. > I don't think my gauge is bad with oil flow symptoms consistent with the > pressure readings. Could the oil pressure regulator be an issue? Mine is > relatively new from BPNW. I do have a second one I could swap in. The oil > pump was new with the rebuild. > > Any advice or guidance is appreciated. > > Andy Packard > CD6746L > President - Triumph Travelers > Autocross Chair - 2013 Triumphest/VTR > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/cartravel@pobox.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 19:26:58 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358BE4041D for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89DA403B9 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:26:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hj3so7243496wib.13 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:26:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=578Pd+AZdDMY/DWGkQQrctL+rWPlfZy53haERzS+dl0=; b=ekB0ZNVHIkeoJHz2oB+WHKrSYDAgcwn9teRc3FJ4usQOizs8LjBTQfiMViLY3nW+Br i7YZhqOZEpRXYN4XFYNKLcYe0QvzX+Roqfbk2A6vOJ7CS6uF/mwT4COeQ7UE87PEE6eS auO75gGKu6hpUa5SW/1MvnnRrCJ7+pXES27XV2fsDGOriimTfqGIceLQgRzVHb0sm0G3 wzlDzytsKQFU8ICiGU4zwXNJ+HHl2ICXCMAn91rjL94RxpKH2TSA7/KcXzSry4jD+Voi ejJQdQUoHfkbNt9pIV8r2P5ejzymrqzRphDGmpzBymA0JfiwJYJGW3K9UFYHdsf3Iotd wDhg== qb6mr9376855wic.8.1379553993936; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.15.129 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.15.129 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <114A84AC-07FD-4F39-8D06-48A30F974AC8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:26:33 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Triumph 6 Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Fwd: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Jack Mc" Date: Sep 18, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor To: Cc: Beware the French Blue 74 TR6 on eBay located in Wilmington, NC I spoke to a gentleman this morning who has seen the car and says it has bad frame rust where the trailing arms attach. The seller knows this and does not disclose it in the listing. Seller has not responded to my question "Do you have any pictures of the trailing arm to frame attachment areas?" Which I sent him about 10 hours ago. Could somebody post this on the 6-Pack Forum? Thanks, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 19:41:52 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C3040452 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6CE403E6 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 507CA70047BD4; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-drc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-drc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.226.81]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1C9AFE000081; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Timbo00001@aol.com Full-name: Timbo00001 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:40:27 -0400 (EDT) To: emanteno@comcast.net, 6pack@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1379554827; bh=GyBmrLas4x/atB1pC+ErbhXrbRRowrQhp9AP1E+pa3M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o9GU6iD2AU8oFC/tj/tROzG294m7FDoP2jiSEaGpslDwbGmkvFGguF+TlZftSWhB9 OiN7rtkpN4bjAExV50NEUL99T9sdenLX0RiKCI32aabzqesFl3y8CjWQfxM6I7JSFK dazwYuax3/OInYQq8Q3oV6cEr+WoF6qXxtwq+57E= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8523a560b3627 Subject: Re: [6pack] Fwd: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Beware to all who buy vehicles on ebay: Not only caveat emptor, but you probably WILL BE fooled, if not outright CHEATED! Including me, there are 3 of us who have been taken, so take the drive, flight, real surrogate buyer, but DO NOT buy sight unseen! Older and hopefully, wiser, Tim Formerly '72 Damson TR6 In a message dated 9/18/2013 9:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, emanteno@comcast.net writes: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Jack Mc" Date: Sep 18, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor To: Cc: Beware the French Blue 74 TR6 on eBay located in Wilmington, NC I spoke to a gentleman this morning who has seen the car and says it has bad frame rust where the trailing arms attach. The seller knows this and does not disclose it in the listing. Seller has not responded to my question "Do you have any pictures of the trailing arm to frame attachment areas?" Which I sent him about 10 hours ago. Could somebody post this on the 6-Pack Forum? Thanks, Jack Mc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/timbo00001@aol.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 20:13:39 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEED40405 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E690340405 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3FE2A7003623D; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id D5EFFE00021A; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:13:17 -0400 (EDT) References: <9df2d.1cbff223.3f6bb00a@aol.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:13:17 -0500 To: "Timbo00001@aol.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1379556798; bh=/1GUoDvMd0hyeUpFVW4KovHBRBkWG4CMdXZcD/E3aSY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=BHy9JO7xf98B0GodFUZ/a4rTJ27EWWxD88oUqJD9zf7nUDSdwMZAe3EI9zmH0Sv/3 V2rCUhSqRO8I+MEBUXUsNaaND7E7fSiDOIxPneMop8vTn7lZfMDR9vjTXTtEejqHYm 3P6VTvvI9+u9T5s6Uw0oZW5tbaTnXuZNSKCe87Lk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c3523a5dbd0793 Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Fwd: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I bought an Infiniti Coupe on eBay. 1000 miles away in Newark, NJ Turned out to be a long term serial TR6 owner and we had several mutual friends. But I wouldn't recommend it unless you live a charmed life like I do. I ended up with a great car and a new friend....ymmv Joe a. Iowa Boy Sent from my iPad On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Timbo00001@aol.com wrote: > Beware to all who buy vehicles on ebay: Not only caveat emptor, but you > probably WILL BE fooled, if not outright CHEATED! Including me, there are 3 > of us who have been taken, so take the drive, flight, real surrogate > buyer, but DO NOT buy sight unseen! > > Older and hopefully, wiser, > Tim > Formerly '72 Damson TR6 > > > In a message dated 9/18/2013 9:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > emanteno@comcast.net writes: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Jack Mc" > Date: Sep 18, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor > To: > Cc: > > Beware the French Blue 74 TR6 on eBay located in Wilmington, NC > > I spoke to a gentleman this morning who has seen the car and says it has > bad > frame rust where the trailing arms attach. The seller knows this and does > not > disclose it in the listing. Seller has not responded to my question "Do you > have any pictures of the trailing arm to frame attachment areas?" Which I > sent > him about 10 hours ago. > > Could somebody post this on the 6-Pack Forum? > > Thanks, > Jack Mc > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/timbo00001@aol.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/n197tr4@cs.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 19 13:09:39 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0911542A3C for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (unknown [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9FD40653 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T1uV1m0020vp7WLA443USa; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:03:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T43S1m00T4L5TyG8R43TPF; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:03:27 +0000 From: Bud R To: Timbo00001@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:03:26 -0600 References: <9df2d.1cbff223.3f6bb00a@aol.com> s=q20121106; t=1379606608; bh=0c+uf6rrA1U0ere42pwQ2MEN2KpJuF6N6WgVv9lwC0w=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=LTwc7ZLR7l7cZ6VYe5RcUInHKe+qUyFgP9bxDqIdhvifCFCEEsHQbhjUMWF/ZLDFA P9dhdXpFSFxxqXj9XqfgAaWyS1Nq+Z/D6BfpBhXWQh0I8aivWLKjeKfpFYKiRxtKtp pGelqnd6iScnbrznW6OVZQJjhFwlEg3Rvh1Kj5oshCcMnHabeev/pbSkA8PwaMyC4a hCo1aHsbk8xlzqOR4uveFKggc7U7ajZXeqE6UtRS/sxmIp53RUsKafBWVyAd8gNQgB KJFH4OnijTZRrVX6Ml25XlW1d2oUihU2yZlEo/aOwcdA4XDFo6Lh2ytGDRZzz/IL8h 9HR0ld7MkVPSw== Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Fwd: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I once bought a TR6 on ebay that had a V8 (it was during my crazy stage). Fortunately (for me) in last minute tuning it the owner wedged a penny in the butterfly to keep it open and of course it sucked the penny into a cylinder. I was on my way to pick it up when that happened and it was making a horrible noise when I got there. The sheepish owner gave me back my earnest money and I dodged a bullet as the car wasn't what I'd hoped it would be overall anyhow. That's one of the reasons I've done surrogate inspections for 6Pack since I know how burned you can get without a unbiased opinion. It's great fun because you have an excuse to go look at Triumphs that are for sell and not end up buying it yourself. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Timbo00001@aol.com wrote: > Beware to all who buy vehicles on ebay: Not only caveat emptor, > but you > probably WILL BE fooled, if not outright CHEATED! Including me, > there are 3 > of us who have been taken, so take the drive, flight, real surrogate > buyer, but DO NOT buy sight unseen! > > Older and hopefully, wiser, > Tim > Formerly '72 Damson TR6 > > > In a message dated 9/18/2013 9:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > emanteno@comcast.net writes: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Jack Mc" > Date: Sep 18, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor > To: > Cc: > > Beware the French Blue 74 TR6 on eBay located in Wilmington, NC > > I spoke to a gentleman this morning who has seen the car and says > it has > bad > frame rust where the trailing arms attach. The seller knows this > and does > not > disclose it in the listing. Seller has not responded to my question > "Do you > have any pictures of the trailing arm to frame attachment areas?" > Which I > sent > him about 10 hours ago. > > Could somebody post this on the 6-Pack Forum? > > Thanks, > Jack Mc > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/timbo00001@aol.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi@comcast.net ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 19 21:01:45 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC19B42A70 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08994275B for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.133]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D6CC87003F615 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (208.sub-70-193-3.myvzw.com [70.193.3.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 55315E0000AC; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:45:44 -0400 (EDT) References: <9df2d.1cbff223.3f6bb00a@aol.com> <1C87345D-43D6-4640-B396-039E25CCF316@cs.com> From: Jack Mc Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:45:44 -0400 To: Joe Alexander x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1379637944; bh=F0LR1PtQDeCHxQCYJydBpiuHwlHSsjdqYc6aEUeG5AY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=voAlUv2VFZItTMDSpvlYzMSNBtJRafY2VZAauB/yfwRPFbgzxshvRti0Kr8RJTfOj QHJJZKO5k33/QigE0yZh/lxa6ESSL8I65lBwYbENlDq6FxwOKdh0/G7RKBFD/W7FJg ghcDLap1puWdsmk8U9ssHvE55rey0Acjo1c5j5xw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3385523b9ab74ee6 Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Fwd: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I've purchased 6 Triumphs on eBay and never been burned. But 2 of them I had seen in person and new exactly what I was getting. The other 4 were cheap enough that I really couldn't get burned. You do have to be VERY careful, but few people are really as deliberately misleading as this guy. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > I bought an Infiniti Coupe on eBay. 1000 miles away in Newark, NJ > > Turned out to be a long term serial TR6 owner and we had several mutual > friends. > > But I wouldn't recommend it unless you live a charmed life like I do. > > I ended up with a great car and a new friend....ymmv > > Joe a. > Iowa Boy > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Timbo00001@aol.com wrote: >> >> Beware to all who buy vehicles on ebay: Not only caveat emptor, but you >> probably WILL BE fooled, if not outright CHEATED! Including me, there are > 3 >> of us who have been taken, so take the drive, flight, real surrogate >> buyer, but DO NOT buy sight unseen! >> >> Older and hopefully, wiser, >> Tim >> Formerly '72 Damson TR6 >> >> >> In a message dated 9/18/2013 9:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> emanteno@comcast.net writes: >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Jack Mc" >> Date: Sep 18, 2013 8:19 PM >> Subject: [TR] eBay TR6 Caveat Emptor >> To: >> Cc: >> >> Beware the French Blue 74 TR6 on eBay located in Wilmington, NC >> >> I spoke to a gentleman this morning who has seen the car and says it has >> bad >> frame rust where the trailing arms attach. The seller knows this and does >> not >> disclose it in the listing. Seller has not responded to my question "Do > you >> have any pictures of the trailing arm to frame attachment areas?" Which I >> sent >> him about 10 hours ago. >> >> Could somebody post this on the 6-Pack Forum? >> >> Thanks, >> Jack Mc >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/timbo00001@aol.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/n197tr4@cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/pimento73@aol.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 20 04:43:26 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3E342A33 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED94542796 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 03:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8C3C3700000B6; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-drc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-drc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.226.81]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 61588E000088; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Timbo00001@aol.com Full-name: Timbo00001 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:15:26 -0400 (EDT) To: dave@ranteer.com, triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1379668526; bh=O2wEi6I53/AWyzdMfANv1jkHb+UNn0y34Wk4C3ZwmGI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rxQzGsMxYcF7Yj/cmo9x5dViRpWrbKR65WQl9O60BwhUFpX6ur2l2534xUB4oFh+z Y+Yu+x/XOaZbUh/fmQ4oFveU1OrZOEiVa24xPtBLdGp9Y0j1n3XIi9FBXFdvuAD54r Lr+AsTdWmfP5i+iaAnZq11cNR0MdsVKgFGE5z+6w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c523c122e044a Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: Other: 91mph sent a message about Triumph : TR-6 Base Convert... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Gives ebay sellers a bad name or just reinforces what many of us know, unfortunately, from experience! Don't make the same mistake that I did. Tim In a message dated 9/19/2013 10:59:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave@ranteer.com writes: this is the response when I asked the guy about rust on the car. am I correct in thinking this is the car #300967966617 where the rear has structurally damaging rust? From: eBay Member: yellowlancer18 Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:16 PM To: dave@ranteer.com Subject: Re: Other: 91mph sent a message about Triumph : TR-6 Base Convertible 2-Door #300967966617 eBay sent this message to David Northrup (91mph). Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. Seller has responded to your question about this item Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/timbo00001@aol.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 21 13:05:29 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC8442C01 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 13:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAE3428FD; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 09:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.66.115]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id TrlR1m0042VCbHS01rlR8P; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 08:45:27 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: <6pack@autox.team.net>, Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 11:45:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac624X2r+UZu2XVuSruG6LRLp+SRWQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [6pack] Paint question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to bomb the list, but does anyone have a paint code for Damson red? All I have is "Triumph Damson 17". Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 05:03:36 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B434298C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 05:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCBD42811 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 04:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 10:48:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 10:48:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 10:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74114 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2013 10:48:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379846935; bh=4l1hTjf0BPzL+z3Pog15ZVB17RPJJL4uoBP68ftgL/E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k6yPTVT10iXqIyjxyhWgHF1/+7hWtQV8TlYTUIN2bNT6NmPJyEVvWmI/hjjjmCygokEoXzyguJkOlGDh+mUTtYWCremJSjik4PWjfoFxv6EzCWqkdfRJ3r2F3CrDNh4cMNu7/3VIcJOlpL2i82gkhyPNQHHFzvJvOK6qiQii5Fg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fYlS7YkmlZ8CXP5E8tpj5dDq0SAHsIWb95GWlkF7BsfK0/Z7IVCPz43GFW1B+DIdmxAPyO2RRFPZvio4BTibpl++4TwuJ+gpTDEfypjVCqtaXZy6WWCJ72Z4f4kHEB7Q35zipLYPkhRjpTZHEkVaX35cxu7PliWPXLNpSAMlRXs=; Z94sTK9JWou6ddNPsPdL6iSy686hMMj6I903MBQryP6AgTbMe6pJlJukMKtK Lr9dxIU8C8ukm.xE3lTXYsEv5UGDYMm9q93nsj4NBpw5PVLGlXEUe18tdims YKW2bnDxxo9DIJ87WBN7CQFld3.GgHqJgFz7RZe8gzRuxpxVhtO7ud6Ra3fH V3HluGmB.e.s3Skwt3NLyfbQPMY9E2l51Tqgitm1KDpgh_RLFkeaKrP29dHW 0YJUjvnzyVBTwDGmAC67nZ3JN02XZhh7H0txDvRoXN2VrsNyit0BKtg0KQ1i 3i2qhff4v.fw7Na7_8X0lmdaOVUTiYdM05wmhhOUIoWzRUkREdM7aovAlnnX kyODhNW5xUrCV8_.5mI0d.Z6S7_8vQKelq5u27GjT5TS.dalPdq2VruHF9rX _i8DN284fcZeaiIMXVvVu5zRYzO_eL6fHbMmYfFVbOFtxMASC3519U8udMhw agefAvsM6UhCby3HIhHJH9q4_qsNaN53xoLpHsrQlDPDGGG.0p2QtFBZrc00 oUZJPESW8lu5UIkAm495cmTsJKGy4rtxBBTq47sn3mEVRpb11.bn.IPSheVw UIypFohcVQqSPEnVRmVzku8WDl.iWE4MFoL34GhZypNXiESjbqKsPmxxK1Li LFjQNztD3O.wqFGY1JoSnWVB6IO2XBQM8ffWY.aPl2Q-- Received: from [70.161.114.107] by web125506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:48:54 PDT QW5kcmV3CsKgClBQRyBsaXN0cyBEYW1zb24gYXMgNTA4MTYuwqAgaHR0cDovL3NwaXRsaXN0LmluZm8vUGFpbnQuaHRtbArCoApEYWxlCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRnJvbTogQW5kcmV3IFVwcmljaGFyZCA8YXVwcmljaGFyZEB1cHJpY2hhcmQubmV0PgpUbzogNnBhY2tAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IHRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBTYXR1cmRheSwgU2VwdGVtYmVyIDIxLCAyMDEzIDExOjQ1IEFNClN1YmplY3Q6IFs2cGFja10gUGFpbnQgcXVlc3Rpb24BMAEBAQE- References: <000001ceb6e1$9e105390$da30fab0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dale To: Andrew Uprichard , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [6pack] Paint question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew PPG lists Damson as 50816. http://spitlist.info/Paint.html Dale ________________________________ From: Andrew Uprichard To: 6pack@autox.team.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:45 AM Subject: [6pack] Paint question Sorry to bomb the list, but does anyone have a paint code for Damson red? All I have is "Triumph Damson 17". Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tpdwinch@yahoo.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 06:51:33 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71AE4042C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B8E42792; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.67.106]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id UCfJ1m00X2HZqTJ01CfKls; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 05:39:20 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Dale'" , <6pack@autox.team.net>, References: <000001ceb6e1$9e105390$da30fab0$@uprichard.net> <1379846934.74036.YahooMailNeo@web125506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:39:19 -0400 Thread-Index: AQLQBZJx0ONsRYrF6s8Y0xP/T8g+FQH76ynSl7821PA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [6pack] Paint question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you all for your helpful replies. What a resource! Andrew From: Dale [mailto:tpdwinch@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:49 AM To: Andrew Uprichard; 6pack@autox.team.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Paint question Andrew PPG lists Damson as 50816. http://spitlist.info/Paint.html Dale From: Andrew Uprichard To: 6pack@autox.team.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:45 AM Subject: [6pack] Paint question Sorry to bomb the list, but does anyone have a paint code for Damson red? All I have is "Triumph Damson 17". Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tpdwinch@yahoo.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 13:19:04 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D3F434E6 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-03.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF5243394 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:00:33 -0600 (MDT) cv=ryrf5q5p6c4dCQYR2lAej91p2ozDt6sfPnRAuS/Q8hc= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=v9YPm5MkDsKqLNOam70leg==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=u8Lrdd9zcURs7mGDdGUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=vVHhlVbjhPIA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO ColinPC) ([174.6.76.60]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Sep 2013 13:00:01 -0600 From: "Colin Thom" To: <6pack@autox.team.net> References: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:59:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac63AHfpe0wf1zcAQFaelrWeM4D58gAxUV5g Content-Language: en-us Subject: [6pack] paint question. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andrew, Damson Red is Dupont 8511. Colin '75 -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 6pack-request@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:00 AM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: 6pack Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Paint question (Andrew Uprichard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 11:45:31 -0400 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: <6pack@autox.team.net>, Subject: [6pack] Paint question Sorry to bomb the list, but does anyone have a paint code for Damson red? All I have is "Triumph Damson 17". Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 6pack mailing list 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack End of 6pack Digest, Vol 5, Issue 104 ************************************* ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 23 06:43:22 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E255F4052A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5BD403FC for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130923121845.MTYH3846.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:18:45 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwbtp08 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id UcJk1m00Q4hdPEs01cJkQl; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:18:44 -0400 a=ymt34VK7czzlL/5YRQ6Jeg==:17 a=KMy1gDTPvmoA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=5Zzq9ngV2yAA:10 a=JL2c8pw5OEwTFIn0qpAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=VgKnFfN7QHEA:10 a=KANdnwultIwA:10 a=ymt34VK7czzlL/5YRQ6Jeg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from [68.104.61.137] by webtop.west.cox.net with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:18:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:18:44 +0000 (GMT) From: wcwellbaum@cox.net To: 6pack@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [6pack] Carpet adhesive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net A Club member is restoring a Triumph Stag and is looking for a way to remove the rock hard adhesive the factory used to glue the carpet in place. Some solvents he tried didn't touch it. Any suggestions? Bill Wellbaum British Auto Club of Las Vegas '75 TR-6 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 23 08:20:25 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6524942903 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99654042C for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n12so3086832wgh.3 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:48:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=khkkA+c1q0qMW9r1v2wjsNZRKvSsjdrBBw19uibnOZA=; b=MM7a/1fSwhkhPScPpEpgJ9N9HelgwHeOsybzXgK2TlVbdDKbYWR0MOOlh3nPP86Wwm SKjIGlL1eo1zRQrH4g7MXc8cJra6FYQZMXiGWO2RJtScIUiuT3as1t5GtVewrJtUzka1 ayYEYXBHiegDR4vCRm2g/ayiounVSTub1ZYRF1jWSEGQV/QCm91GnC+Roy8jH3//d8vD KAOj7aJyv3pg9cERu/tFpXK5pjyCF5x8KX7a8giiW7Uk/VDuSEgaT/6VeeWqqb+nwUmh /QC7lzFATrgvweXzbKZgBFwpkwjyg/k72o8qisYCIXTvdVxRowQb7sgVY3kO4YShzGo2 MECA== m13mr5602025wiw.10.1379944079783; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.211.130 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:47:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <4abdef.a764.1414ac1ec0a.Webtop.0@cox.net> From: David Friedlander Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:47:39 -0400 To: wcwellbaum@cox.net Cc: 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Carpet adhesive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Bill; A good heat gun, carefully applied, along with patience and a putty knife/scraper tool can often do the trick... Dave Friedlander '74 Six On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:18 AM, wrote: > A Club member is restoring a Triumph Stag and is looking for a way to > remove the rock hard adhesive the factory used to glue the carpet in place. > Some solvents he tried didn't touch it. Any suggestions? > > Bill Wellbaum > British Auto Club of Las Vegas > '75 TR-6 > > ______________________________**__________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/forzion7@gmail. > **com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 24 11:06:42 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3881403B9 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D161F40324 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id V1Ln1m0020EPchoA24BvMC; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:11:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id V4Bu1m00B4L5TyG8M4BuW9; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:11:55 +0000 From: Bud R To: Dave Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:11:53 -0600 References: <8C1093BA62A644DCA5DA7F99AECB21FD@Datsun> s=q20121106; t=1380039115; bh=QqhS28t8fMAW7nONYt8X4+zARKvIzEB20q4xgck4ruA=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=TdMnI8FzEEqtlY04cywVRmKkJS7AXA0mLoq4/VCBvIiPhOk39bUVmFXrtrlJN+5/j DmVBwXwRX0e4qAvf+kp3BgJPm2CfO7O5dGpNDxwELhvswRTBkjCciFQPDGKVH+mo39 C5VERsRwY2p4bHMYkP1xRtyhFQmGKx2T5bBVDF/XnTo8qxWL4KlYAOgXij13f/j/Vi 5daY8HuJaMUGH+VlDLMEkWbClZUddEt6gwTorAuDQNwJrXX9cOIcJ6sMPHMOos1i63 l6acsCVavFEUAzQFPfGAkbV9397IQR77eEtMrjl8TLO298hCnrFA9Ed3iHUmB65fi8 QZL1S8wXbVe4A== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, Triumph 6 Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: Other: 91mph sent a message about Triumph : TR-6 Base Convertible 2-Door #300967966617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net An answer that is a lot of circular logic and hooey. >>>I don't know if there's rust if I don't look for it and I'm not going to look for it because I don't have a lift.<<< What a dodge that is. I pity the unsuspecting victim that ends up buying this car. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Dave wrote: > this is the response when I asked the guy about rust on the car. > > am I correct in thinking this is the car #300967966617 where the > rear has > structurally damaging rust? > > From: eBay Member: yellowlancer18 > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:16 PM > To: dave@ranteer.com > Subject: Re: Other: 91mph sent a message about Triumph : TR-6 Base > Convertible > 2-Door #300967966617 > > > eBay sent this message to David Northrup (91mph). > Your registered name is included to show this message > originated > from eBay. 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This type of offer is against eBay > policy, > may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. > Learn More > > > Dear 91mph, > > no rust spot that i am aware of and not lift to get under car > need email > address > > > - yellowlancer18 Click "respond" to reply through Messages, or > go to > your email to reply > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > From: 91mph > To: yellowlancer18 > Subject: Other: 91mph sent a message about Triumph : TR-6 Base > Convertible > 2-Door #300967966617 > Sent Date: Sep-19-13 12:10:21 PDT > > > Dear yellowlancer18, > > is there any rust on the car? frame? do you have any pictures > of the > frame or from under the car > > > - 91mph > > > Triumph : TR-6 Base Convertible 2-Door > Item Id: 300967966617 > End time: Sep-23-13 21:30:00 PDT > Seller: > yellowlancer18 (26) > 100.0% Positive Feedback > Member since Jul-10-07 in United States > Location: NC, United States > > Listing Status: This message was sent while the listing was > active. > > > > > Marketplace Safety Tip > a.. 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Designated > trademarks > and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the > eBay logo > are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton > Avenue, San > Jose, CA 95125. > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi@comcast.net ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 08:03:20 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B299E40410 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BAE40046 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hj3so5275485wib.2 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:02:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=EOxAfKWK2BpQBNY5rWWilfXQxqn6RhSjCshOBvcaofg=; b=HF4IS/0APzqGz6RUne/HWIDTlKIt1iJ9MXxfeNn1NSsA05raJ3Gucpa2pOaWhO3HOT n98+Eb8K/1+Uut8/8GDpCV+uiHNL4iOGIVB6muSTj9pRyKyqW/Q0eob8V97pxjE0LV5Y fjH95ObMKV6p4o7yLDqiE/HHlGDt0JBoqQjRokduZDRtvglrYm7LlHFVVQ0jxiPpXTkr nXhXq8KntBoDuwEl9wG7yC/XcRWWVXdSNEX6d2OkXc4AQSaqBuimfJiYSQnkeKvmwitO Hs/F9eSOXgENhhUfTypi4rbDfDdihPr0W8HBfB639tqh1jowDnkvD2eTdwk/27pt+30A fqeQ== m13mr14958248wiw.10.1380117724609; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.211.130 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Friedlander Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:01:44 -0400 To: 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Head thickness? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hey all ~ Can anyone out there tell me the STOCK thickness of a 1974 head? I am told such information is in the race prep manual.... Thanks for any help... Cheers! Dave Friedlander CF24194UO ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 08:16:14 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9C0403FA for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail.cicorp.sk.ca (unknown [142.165.49.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B832400A5 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:13:14 -0600 (MDT) From: "Crouter, Bruce CIC" To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Thread-Topic: Lost Summer Thread-Index: Ac65+FReVBTvBJjFR3eLyZypE8Lr+Q== Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:12:44 +0000 Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.240.121] Subject: [6pack] Lost Summer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hello everyone, I hate to bother you, I really do, but I am out of ideas. Back in May I drove my 75 TR6 in from storage. An hour on the highway and it was smooth as silk. Drove fine the next day then the day after it would crank but not start. After much work it will run fine for 5-10 minutes then starts to bog on low rpm then stalls and will not start. Here is how I spent my summer: Fuel: * Cleaned lines and replaced filters * Checked both electric and mechanical fuel pump (connected in line) * Rebuilt carbs * Bowls are full of fuel * New fuel used * Vent in tank is clear Electric: * New plugs * Wires one year old * New distributor * New electronic ignition * New coil * Bright blue spark * Timing at idle (10 BTDC) Other: * Cleaned and synced temperate compensators * Battery seems to be OK but is old * I had a retard unit, now an advance unit. I plugged the old port (under the carb) and am not sure which port to put the advance hose on (port on top of carbs by the manifold doesn't seem to do much). Would not having the vacuum advance set up properly stop the car, only when warm? I can't think why that would happen. I am out of ideas and things to replace. Snow is six weeks away and I won't be able to get it back to storage. Any suggestions from your vast experience would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much. Bruce Crouter Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 08:37:56 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8704040E for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778440381 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU171-W33 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:36:44 -0700 From: im sloane To: "Crouter, Bruce CIC" , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:36:43 +0000 References: <9A5AA87DA69731479E372B06E49A2F13EF7BD674@vsr-mbx110.cicorp.sk.ca> FILETIME=[A7FCC1E0:01CEB9FC] Subject: Re: [6pack] Lost Summer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net If it's getting spark, will it fire with starting fluid? If they're getting spark and fuel, they should fire. Sloane :-) > From: bcrouter@cicorp.sk.ca > To: 6pack@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:12:44 +0000 > Subject: [6pack] Lost Summer > > Hello everyone, > > I hate to bother you, I really do, but I am out of ideas. Back in May I drove > my 75 TR6 in from storage. An hour on the highway and it was smooth as silk. > Drove fine the next day then the day after it would crank but not start. > After much work it will run fine for 5-10 minutes then starts to bog on low > rpm then stalls and will not start. Here is how I spent my summer: ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 08:47:17 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA4C403FB for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F643403D8 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VQLt1m0020EZKEL57SmBzX; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:46:11 +0000 Received: from Robert ([71.203.126.78]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VSmA1m01K1hcuZj3MSmA72; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:46:11 +0000 From: "Robert" To: "'Crouter, Bruce CIC'" , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <9A5AA87DA69731479E372B06E49A2F13EF7BD674@vsr-mbx110.cicorp.sk.ca> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:46:12 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJ3GXXM5pGP3568v+mf23SlkmspK5iFyIpg Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1380120371; bh=sNJ129JX+MsXqM+8fxR1/UjF2K6ZUWuxgHKJtQ76NN8=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XUeXqhHz3dqHdDjz56vDOTmZkbQfSv/6QLwLgfTmgC0MNhsC0loJIj6k/JwgbTb5L 5T1Xjd6wZO6Tr6NYwulBCEejcLVWgXbc3csIJsrR2Arohg6yC0vtzpVacb88X8AsJs M03rQ+/WpWk99yX/pJvHDHqSsXCivFcHZnMBMTAldt+/0xddGLR+RLWbipp5MqCiKe UkV+qrvIZuth6akHQPE3+w8zC4GGnOOEOTC9e3cs7UGmoCQjsZdA1hRUjKk8lHUoZD pFYk6DH4S/KQh79WVwxndQDcznybBP6++hwzigD3nlxjKkNZKseF/XXifKXH+kEM1s JcAc1qMTWqpzQ== Subject: Re: [6pack] Lost Summer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Try taking out the petronix ignition and put the points back in. Remember to set the gap and have your CHAMPION plugs set at .025 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 09:23:48 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4D440432 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE804006C for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:23:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2013 15:22:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.211] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2013 15:22:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2013 15:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64059 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2013 15:22:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1380122575; bh=iwT/6DOECWNBk8gcsGNYv1tz5mTRdY4svvEFUN9eajs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BycdI2OGgnS1n55vJisouXeXkzeY/CjRdY4Qx/ICHzzQzx8LbjZkQK53ZB0lyFw7JXGPUGh7ZpPBtMgppJNrKuZ1y9VpKVGT1Nkzt4OYXntlCPzPIGv2yfljZBugD02mYbLP+4IIUs7ST5lafimIUilvegpkz7IrsMH0Ta1GVw4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DcxCfH5/jzOjgGnLZRigGM74Mgt3ZzXL2WcQUnAs95J4h3D312iA6FophFvyJFN+5cM3JrARUQc8YGybcLFE6ccViSAUUT5BRTYL7q4Uyy0gHKTKiyzHOEIQjZPfm/krg+2c9VWQJwFvF8bhDI/n4JIo9+QwDQcBelGSrg2/2j8=; MKW_2sDHzZNcID3ND0WPUbYKtRACaqGzUAwanpAwVh6jKiJArWtKFc2Njf4J yEdNltXB324EoOzvYjoPJK3mrCb6Uf7dp4ckrIpwTBVVcXKCpg69bjDBTKc0 f3OMYCMbF0SkNR229N0YRp5MBb2ofLM5CozVErJ7lASTYQ7mDnplsZ24lAIT I1CnQwUV7T4OY8vjSdUUO8szLoLP24mE.gNwDJxGkjG4OwJ.sjkaE2rRfAcq IXC9G9yiXdZQlbjkcJI5pl5BTkBX4ahJ2KqWfzNUI2oUGsRcgg3hQTuCAbQ. xnXehI_TAx5Z5DSySxusNIUVhZDUiImsAfeba0fT0YDYvJLzWXuWQPgNlB8G NlyqaPoqasvWZgDu4WGjSuD..q67n_xQTHeXtDZwoSAFHPhWkQkgy.UFMjPZ M42NHy9sK.wJhxl40qZa8a8Cohm.4Rm0AcbXAXvWnLPO5PRKyo_RgEckKrif f75Q_C0Oq5ZI.WybBL842yZBu8J0iNJCGhW8RR54krViRHwbp5ay2QIAL.Ko Hi9TWfjQfl92CPizijcWOGpg- Received: from [71.17.44.75] by web121606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:22:55 PDT RGlkIHRoZSBndXkgd2l0aCB0aGUgb2lsIHByZXNzdXJlIGlzc3VlIG9uIGhpcyBuZXcgMjUwIG1vdG9yIGV2ZXIgZ2V0IHRoaXMgc29ydGVkP8KgwqAgaW5xdWlyaW5nIG1pbmRzIHdhbnQgdG8ga25vdy7CoMKgwqAgCsKgCkknbSBob3BpbmcgdG8gZG8gYSByZXBlYXQgb24gdGhlIFNhbiBEaWVnbyBtZWNoYW5pYyB3aXRoICgzMDAsMDAwPykgbWlsZXMgb24gaGlzIDI1MCBhbmQgbmV2ZXIgZGlkIHRoZSBib3R0b20gZW5kLsKgwqAgSW4gdGhlIFRyaXVtcGggbWFnYXppbmUgYXJ0aWNsZSBoZSBzYWlkIGhlIGoBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Yahoo To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] tr250 oil pressure issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Did the guy with the oil pressure issue on his new 250 motor ever get this sorted? inquiring minds want to know. I'm hoping to do a repeat on the San Diego mechanic with (300,000?) miles on his 250 and never did the bottom end. In the Triumph magazine article he said he just does regular oil changes with STP. I've shaved the head and a hotter cam so I may have added additional stress to the engine. my oil pressure hasn't deteriorated in 16 years of ownerhip. Cheers, Bruce Simms 73 tr6 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 09:52:20 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2707C40415 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49CF4006D for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU171-W119 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:51:26 -0700 From: im sloane To: "Crouter, Bruce CIC" , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:51:26 +0000 References: <9A5AA87DA69731479E372B06E49A2F13EF7BD674@vsr-mbx110.cicorp.sk.ca>, , <9A5AA87DA69731479E372B06E49A2F13EF7BD737@vsr-mbx110.cicorp.sk.ca> FILETIME=[17B18390:01CEBA07] Subject: Re: [6pack] Lost Summer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, that sounds like 'cooled down, it started fine'. Maybe vapor lock? Next time just pop the hood and wait 10-15 minutes. From: bcrouter@cicorp.sk.ca To: im_sloane@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [6pack] Lost Summer Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:43:51 +0000 Thanks, I will get it to stall out and see if starter fluid fires. That should help isolate if it is a fuel or a spark issue. I am having trouble isolating the problem. Last night when it stalled I swapped out the coil and it started. I put the old coil back and it started as well! ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 12:14:03 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570044044D for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C26540046 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BobPC (ool-457eebd9.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.235.217]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTP id <0MTP00DFF19QIX00@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for 6pack@autox.team.net; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:13:01 -0400 From: Bob To: 'David Friedlander' , '6-Pack' <6pack@autox.team.net> Thread-index: Ac659+pXdHAeYhLdQYKxFXz8G3gTwAAIglbg References: Subject: Re: [6pack] Head thickness? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Manual says "the stock compression of 8.5 is present if the cylinder head is 3.460 thick". Page scan attached. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:02 AM To: 6-Pack Subject: [6pack] Head thickness? Hey all ~ Can anyone out there tell me the STOCK thickness of a 1974 head? I am told such information is in the race prep manual.... Thanks for any help... Cheers! Dave Friedlander CF24194UO ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rpeglow@optonline.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of TR6 head 001.jpg] ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 12:15:58 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF36A40525 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9ED4006C for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mr1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.110]) by pd3mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 26 Sep 2013 12:14:57 -0600 cv=s+0R4JzlRBUW8GXF//6L4/AwYJegyFoFyppZH3AfVto= c=1 sm=1 a=qVtOPq51zxkA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=sBeWC6dfcfMemY5L7qQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tUNVgZUWy7IA:10 a=p0aBfo0cnmQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO cds009.dcs.int.inet) ([10.0.141.22]) by pd2mr1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 26 Sep 2013 12:14:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:14:58 -0600 (MDT) From: COLIN THOM To: 6pack@autox.team.net (Mac)/7.1.4_GA_2555) Subject: [6pack] tr250 oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andy, Have you checked your head torque? The fact that you're losing oil pressure and boiling over leads me to suspect you've got a bad head gasket, or poor/uneven head torque that manifests itself only when the head gets hot. Check to see if you've got oil in the water or water in the oil. The fact that the engine makes oil pressure but then loses it when the engine is warm makes me think you don't have a bearing or oil pump problem. Colin '75 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 12:44:22 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1291140526 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B54E40435 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [85.158.139.19:56206] by server-14.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id CC/83-12040-B4084425; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:43:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 7368 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2013 18:43:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.dpg-group.com (HELO mail1.dpg-group.com) (62.168.201.241) by server-11.tower-178.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2013 18:43:22 -0000 Received: from stvexch2.vandorn.dpg.com ([68.255.183.66]) by mail1.dpg-group.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:43:21 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:43:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: SOFT TOP STOWING Thread-Index: Ac6658XQm4vEiWRtSOOPGYgE03vqOA== From: "Zimmerman, John" To: <6pack@autox.team.net> FILETIME=[46692D00:01CEBAE8] Subject: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. I seem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings a certain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information still available? Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can be purchased locally. Thanks, John Zimmerman Traffic Supervisor Sumitomo (SHI) Demag - Plastics Machinery Van Dorn Demag Corp. 11792 Alameda Drive Strongsville, Ohio 44149 PH: 440-876-6251 FAX: 440-876-6428 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 13:01:59 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF8440521 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from atl4mhob13.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob13.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156FE40435 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atl4webmail11 ([10.30.71.168]) by atl4mhob13.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8QJ0xXR026294; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:00:59 -0400 Received: from 173.126.97.154 (grego@sandesco.com [173.126.97.154]) by atl4webmail11 (Netsol 11.2.30) with WEBMAIL id 7246; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:00:59 +0000 From: grego@sandesco.com To: "Zimmerman, John" , 6pack@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:00:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I am sure there is a utube or some other description on line. I was taught to unsnap the cover entirely (along the body) after releasing the front clamps, then pull the cover back away from the frame bows. I fold the side windows in before I tuck the cover down. Haven't done it for a while and don't have it in front of me. Seems like it is fairly obvious how to fold the sides in without putting hardware against the window plastic. You want to avoid that. The most important bit is to remember to pull the cover back away from the bows and especially away from the folding side rails. Otherwise those side rails will tear the cover. My two cars both came with torn tops because the previous owner tried to fold it down without pulling the cover back. :( -grego -----Original Message----- From: Zimmerman, John [mailto:john.zimmerman@dpg.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 02:43 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. Iseem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings acertain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information stillavailable?Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can bepurchased locally. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 13:28:13 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967FB40531 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E263740435 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AFDD1700000B5; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mue003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mue003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.197.201]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7B782E000087; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:00 -0400 (EDT) References: To: grego@sandesco.com, john.zimmerman@dpg.com, 6pack@autox.team.net From: davgil@aol.com Received: from 72.54.9.38 by webmail-d226.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1380223561; bh=v7uHHxFEa0CpnPSMumjhj3as+gUDXQvhdDrtIVAzM1g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lx+6512188TlJ3bByzvDq/4u4sdMZ9yf/imo+3RqVf0AZ2sthFqTBN9V5GDps3d9m QEOKznh2mj1QQkuuF17+cHx8/BNZnep5n2IZiey5Pywzlpy1zWpTr+AyKNWdNqZ+rn GCmEqIPAeBcjVDq3WngG6hvx5Y0xctT6JdB8oUfI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c952448a4824db Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Grego about his procedure. I personally add one step on my 1976 TR6. After releasing the side snaps and front clamps, I pull the top away from the bows. I then stow the hardware before folding in the side windows and then folding the back over the folded in side windows. The cover will then easily fit over the folded top and I have never had an issue with either the top or "windows" being damaged. If you keep the top from being wrinkled as it is stowed, simply folded it will last a long time. David Gill 1976 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: grego To: Zimmerman, John ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:01 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I am sure there is a utube or some other description on line. I was taught to unsnap the cover entirely (along the body) after releasing the front clamps, then pull the cover back away from the frame bows. I fold the side windows in before I tuck the cover down. Haven't done it for a while and don't have it in front of me. Seems like it is fairly obvious how to fold the sides in without putting hardware against the window plastic. You want to avoid that. The most important bit is to remember to pull the cover back away from the bows and especially away from the folding side rails. Otherwise those side rails will tear the cover. My two cars both came with torn tops because the previous owner tried to fold it down without pulling the cover back. :( -grego -----Original Message----- From: Zimmerman, John [mailto:john.zimmerman@dpg.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 02:43 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. Iseem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings acertain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information stillavailable?Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can bepurchased locally. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/davgil@aol.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 13:50:38 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB0C40540 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5892540435 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [85.158.137.3:50133] by server-13.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 6F/9F-25971-FBF84425; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:49:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 1243 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2013 19:49:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.dpg-group.com (HELO mail1.dpg-group.com) (62.168.201.241) by server-12.tower-38.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2013 19:49:19 -0000 Received: from stvexch2.vandorn.dpg.com ([68.255.183.66]) by mail1.dpg-group.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:49:10 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:49:09 -0400 Thread-Topic: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Thread-Index: Ac667j+5WrLrLUt8S22zh7NidUcYawAAvCzw References: <8D089055DD12328-2300-F4C3@webmail-d226.sysops.aol.com> From: "Zimmerman, John" To: , , <6pack@autox.team.net> FILETIME=[77CAFF00:01CEBAF1] Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Thank you for the additional info. I just watched the you tube video from Triumph Rescue. It only took 8 minutes, but it was informative. John Zimmerman Traffic Supervisor Sumitomo (SHI) Demag - Plastics Machinery Van Dorn Demag Corp. 11792 Alameda Drive Strongsville, Ohio 44149 PH: 440-876-6251 FAX: 440-876-6428 www.sumitomo-shi-demag.us www.vandorndemag.com From: davgil@aol.com [mailto:davgil@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:26 PM To: grego@sandesco.com; Zimmerman, John; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I agree with Grego about his procedure. I personally add one step on my 1976 TR6. After releasing the side snaps and front clamps, I pull the top away from the bows. I then stow the hardware before folding in the side windows and then folding the back over the folded in side windows. The cover will then easily fit over the folded top and I have never had an issue with either the top or "windows" being damaged. If you keep the top from being wrinkled as it is stowed, simply folded it will last a long time. David Gill 1976 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: grego To: Zimmerman, John ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:01 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I am sure there is a utube or some other description on line. I was taught to unsnap the cover entirely (along the body) after releasing the front clamps, then pull the cover back away from the frame bows. I fold the side windows in before I tuck the cover down. Haven't done it for a while and don't have it in front of me. Seems like it is fairly obvious how to fold the sides in without putting hardware against the window plastic. You want to avoid that. The most important bit is to remember to pull the cover back away from the bows and especially away from the folding side rails. Otherwise those side rails will tear the cover. My two cars both came with torn tops because the previous owner tried to fold it down without pulling the cover back. :( -grego -----Original Message----- From: Zimmerman, John [mailto:john.zimmerman@dpg.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 02:43 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. Iseem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings acertain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information stillavailable?Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can bepurchased locally. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/davgil@aol.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image002.png] ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 14:50:51 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A29C4053C for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D08F40435 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VumG1m0040ldTLk57wpKKw; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:49:19 +0000 Received: from Robert ([71.203.126.78]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VwpJ1m00v1hcuZj01wpJZs; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:49:18 +0000 From: "Robert" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <8D089055DD12328-2300-F4C3@webmail-d226.sysops.aol.com> <008f01cebaf4$6f7c3280$4e749780$@comcast.net> <8D0890DF124AA86-900-10357@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 16:49:17 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFnSyCTfszUNJjOKCkSABJ7f7NCRQIjsp35AqPz1dACSTwlwppu1NRQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1380228559; bh=VqkScAt+5/M4KN1CUlQpVKzbRtwhVKJ2XyYQXhPQ8y8=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Is9SDlD18R1uNrCjG0uOocQybdk0dpPj9oxP/GKp1FoEFFFkksYgOEz1rcDMHv7ti bRv1B/kD6R5E3qj4YFQ45OxgUJBu9tUX4/I85pjMXtBDzUw6wJW/4OEU/QQe8uXA7A 79UPNEFaVjKO3WmnV5mjDhQ9xnJp69KC0vmHZW3p4am4wzOY/3KNnqT4x+91vZlhe0 LGVQHXlj6Xg4csvtLWPCKPNJBrmZdW30wRUm8I7GxrIkBigx9/LDOo48fA75ZzQwLv 627sCVJ20pF+TXTddEVwJ9ZFXo7CUOHcTAIth192BNRMPW8MQiY42QwmBnic7OaegK e/ekfzTHZp+Ag== Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly good points raised. I used to just fold mine in as described. On my TR3, the whole top comes away and I put it into my trunk. As a precaution to avoid more scratches I use a terry cloth towel (not embroidered ;-) ) After quite a few years it has not harmed it, But that's just my experience, not saying I speak for all. From: davgil@aol.com [mailto:davgil@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:27 PM To: trsix74@comcast.net; grego@sandesco.com; john.zimmerman@dpg.com; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Robert, I don't know if anyone has tried this or not. I would probably advise against it and my sense is that if it were a good practice either the top manufacturers or someone on the list would give a personal testimonial. My experience is that the vinyl windows do very well against the top material without this padding. I have had other situations where vinyl of various types gets a pattern embedded into it when pressed against a cloth material, particularly when it goes through a few heating cycles, as these tops do in the summer days and nights. This may or may not happen with the vinyl in these tops. I really don't know enough about it to make a recommendation, but in over 15 years of folding and unfolding my top, I have never had a problem with the vinyl windows. As they say, your mileage may vary and this is only my $.02 worth. David Gill 1976 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: Robert To: davgil ; grego ; john.zimmerman ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 4:10 pm Subject: RE: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Has anyone ever thought of putting a nice terry cloth towel to protect the "windows' Maybe you can go overboard and have one made up with the TR6 Logo on it, include the year and even match the color of the towel to the car! Oh, maybe a little overboard. Look for them for sale on E-Bay next year! From: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Behalf Of davgil@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:26 PM To: grego@sandesco.com; john.zimmerman@dpg.com; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I agree with Grego about his procedure. I personally add one step on my 1976 TR6. After releasing the side snaps and front clamps, I pull the top away from the bows. I then stow the hardware before folding in the side windows and then folding the back over the folded in side windows. The cover will then easily fit over the folded top and I have never had an issue with either the top or "windows" being damaged. If you keep the top from being wrinkled as it is stowed, simply folded it will last a long time. David Gill 1976 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: grego To: Zimmerman, John ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 3:01 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I am sure there is a utube or some other description on line. I was taught to unsnap the cover entirely (along the body) after releasing the front clamps, then pull the cover back away from the frame bows. I fold the side windows in before I tuck the cover down. Haven't done it for a while and don't have it in front of me. Seems like it is fairly obvious how to fold the sides in without putting hardware against the window plastic. You want to avoid that. The most important bit is to remember to pull the cover back away from the bows and especially away from the folding side rails. Otherwise those side rails will tear the cover. My two cars both came with torn tops because the previous owner tried to fold it down without pulling the cover back. :( -grego -----Original Message----- From: Zimmerman, John [mailto:john.zimmerman@dpg.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 02:43 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. Iseem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings acertain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information stillavailable?Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can bepurchased locally. -----Original Message-----________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/davgil@aol.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/trsix74@comcast.net ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 27 01:50:25 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224ED40541 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:50:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADF14052F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35666A10BB for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:49:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:49:20 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> References: Subject: Re: [6pack] Head thickness? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Application CR Thickness CC depth CC volume GT6 Mk I 9.50 GT6+ 9.25 3.450 0.425 34 GT6 Mk III 9.25 3.32 .47 37 (early) GT6 Mk III 8.0 3.40 .55 44 (late) TR250, TR6 8.5 3.55 .60 48.5 TR6 middle 7.75 3.54 .68 55 TR6 late 7.5 3.55 .70 57 TR6 race 1 10.25 3.375 .52 41.6 TR6 race 2 12.3 3.295 .44 33 GT6 race 1 10.75 3.31 .385 30 GT6 race 2 12.75 3.22 .300 24.4 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 27 05:24:26 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43E44054D for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 05:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B204A40078 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 05:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8RBNPCC019849; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:23:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Zimmerman, John" References: Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 26 Sep 2013, Zimmerman, John wrote: > I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. I > seem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings a > certain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information still > available? This information is available... in the Owner's Manual. If you don't have one, you can get a reprint. > Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can be > purchased locally. You don't need it. Period. I've been using no-lead for more than 100k miles. I've had zero problems due to the no-lead. Anyone that tells you otherwise should back up thier claim with actual first-hand evidence. > Thanks, > > > > John Zimmerman regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 27 08:02:38 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A5D40552 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3D04053A for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU171-W94 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:01:32 -0700 From: im sloane To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:01:32 +0000 References: , <8D089055DD12328-2300-F4C3@webmail-d226.sysops.aol.com>, FILETIME=[12327260:01CEBB8A] Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Great video. Note there are two schools of thought. I think someone had indicated they fold their sides in before folding down the middle, and I (like the video) do it the other way. Fold it all back, then once the frame is down, fold it all back toward the front, then fold the sides in and then the middle down. The result is the 'ears' of the corners are on top of everything. One step I have always done is to zip out the rear window and let it hang down first. Then it's not involved in any of the folding. You're not installing a new top, but while the soft topic is open: Have you ever noticed that the inner edge of the corner windows get's folded no matter how hard you try? The video makes it look like it's possible to not fold that corner, but I have no idea how this can be done. What I did on the 73 was to put an extra snap. I had noticed that Spitfires have 4 snaps on each side, so now I have 4 snaps on each side too. I just made that 4th spot a snap too. This way I can completely fold the corner windows in on the material between it and the rear window and never fold the corner of plastic. Sloane :o) > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:49:09 -0400 > From: john.zimmerman@dpg.com > To: davgil@aol.com; grego@sandesco.com; 6pack@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING > > Dave, > > > > Thank you for the additional info. I just watched the you tube video from > Triumph Rescue. It only took 8 minutes, but it was informative. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 27 10:06:23 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D92B40572 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F140544 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WEqR1m0041afHeLA2G4vMM; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:04:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WG4u1m0063NmwNy8dG4uGl; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:04:55 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:04:54 -0700 References: To: "Robert M. Lang" s=q20121106; t=1380297895; bh=Z2Rptsy9qyG1OsgJiOziAvd9rLv2Ujq28ozmTDynh9o=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=esPGCfm6SL5Qiq45iO8R58X5namFsVU3r0PUQo/E0v0SRvgsxg3v1HrdrqnX2Rt+V x0nzMeNe3uBl9HwQJFLOHzMFcoI0NLBDCD3ELgAHrmR43gdUwoEQtkD0EM/NfxYqnI F4Dx0hXGVxU+YWuCSAsclPeAjZ1Ki3mZWsGu9+DWou10/s11RdCtES2CARuh0r+Y4Z UkQXyJ494ahWQKWMOEgpHKqVlYY/uADqAeFZCoR2Aq4Jd2lzKcgJE+GbaUkUb7VO6Z 1Ze5Im6XQHppOzEq/2pUHIFKxS3PyRWNSTGSlxdcsplpKC0zD3r1My/MKZy7HUH4we UOds5S3I3gaxg== Cc: "Zimmerman, John" , 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] SOFT TOP STOWING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I suppose everyone has a different method, what we do is to unlatch, unsnap, place a folded shop towel on the wheel arches, lay the top on the trunk lid. Now you have to two latches pointing up, these we cover with another folded towel (folded twice for thickness).bring the top forward (we don't unzip the rear window, cover the two small triangles with a "custom" cover (made from the corner of an pillow case) fold the over the top and stuff everything down, pull up and fasten the hood cover. Done. > > > >> I've re-entered the hobby and have a question about taking the top down. I >> seem to remember s procedure from years ago about folding the side wings a >> certain way so the windows ddn't get damaged. Is this information still >> available? > > This information is available... in the Owner's Manual. If you don't have one, you can get a reprint. > >> Also, a suggestion for a gas lead additive, maybe something that can be >> purchased locally. > > You don't need it. Period. I've been using no-lead for more than 100k miles. I've had zero problems due to the no-lead. Anyone that tells you otherwise should back up thier claim with actual first-hand evidence. > >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> John Zimmerman > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 27 10:08:22 2013 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6642940553 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05B94054C for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2013 16:07:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.205] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2013 16:07:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2013 16:07:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2444 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2013 16:07:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1380298025; bh=aFuExP8W0drgtl2GRo357BnewNc7d8bdNHrXG3gcGQw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qmIXBUvK2G2Owuno/vgCMJWVKawVb6Qwb8w9TNpkeDS716VwW+SzGy2+TKVVAScc4uivpUcEbyC6E2z+eV+T1uJx6NYrUzwJxvVKhREof/YKeLQ1m1qUnI0p9ShN0dpFHzC1AygKUdmS69mKKU6lXFnzPZMaApAf5ux8bv4HC+o= s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qkaT6+mtCJu6govskSDRGfyMmUi96hD8QNm2Ycq1LLTbh6mm65s6ZlfCDAY7N9rDrHoo6gyk5I/bG1wYgGGHiet2/SB47YakPfIpE8v0rEY2KD8qSR/mguSD/udisxWkSwiVCCQD2IJ3px1rEnr2CK92PHFFGMDcw7o1JRgoK1I=; Received: from [71.17.44.75] by web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:07:05 PDT U2hlbGwgdWx0cmEgaW4gbXkgYXJlYSBpcyA5MSBvY3RhbmUgYW5kIG5vIGV0aGFub2wuwqDCoCB3aXRoIG15wqBoZWFkIHNoYXZlZCB0byBhYm91dCA5LjXCoGFuZCBkaXN0cmlidXRvciBzZXQtdXAsIEkgZ2V0IHJ1bi1vbiB3aXRoIHRoZSA5MSwgZXZlbiBpZiBJIGFkZCBhbiBvY3RhbmUgYm9vc3Rlci7CoMKgwqBBZHZhbmNlIGF0IGlkbGXCoHNldCB0byAxNCBCVERDIGFzIHBlciBkaXN0cmlidXRvciByZWJ1aWxkZXIncyBhZHZpY2UuwqDCoMKgIEkgdHlwaWNhbGx5IHVzZcKgU2hlbGwgVWx0cmHCoMKgaW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Yahoo To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Speaking of gasoline... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Shell ultra in my area is 91 octane and no ethanol. with my head shaved to about 9.5 and distributor set-up, I get run-on with the 91, even if I add an octane booster. Advance at idle set to 14 BTDC as per distributor rebuilder's advice. I typically use Shell Ultra in the 6 and all my small gas engines. There is 94 octane gas available, but with up to 10% ethanol. No run-on with a tank of the 94 octane. I think there's s product that counteracts the ethanol's effect on rubber and other vulnerable parts in our fuel system, but do I really need to go that far. Thoughts? Bruce Simms 73 Tr6 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net