From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 1 18:18:33 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF2B2584857 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F389258461B; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9D72C01D3; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:18:28 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 To: Triumphs , Triumph <6pack@autox.team.net>, Spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Woo Hoo! From: Mark J Bradakis via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Well everything is back to normal, or as normal as it ever gets. You should now be able to send mail to Team.Net lists and have it work as before. mjb. PS: Still overpaid and underworked, but a LOT less stressed out! _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 08:04:16 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891AD2585093 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372452584B72 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150602140336.BKA5755.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:03:36 -0400 Received: from fed1rmwbtp07 ([172.18.140.217]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id bS3c1q00X4hdPEs01S3cZ1; Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:03:36 -0400 a=C/338im4RnkD/VhOD/H/GA==:17 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=zJenvfQwvHcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=+GGgEctla0Atsv6V580Pc7StXZc=:19 a=SjoV3hOwAAAA:8 a=sWdDId_8twEsugjo_osA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FYJE5QKY-L4A:10 a=EwZzfDXZTfoA:10 a=C/338im4RnkD/VhOD/H/GA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from [98.160.232.196] by webtop.west.cox.net with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:03:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:03:36 +0000 (GMT) To: 6pack@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [6pack] FW: TR-6 Ignition Timing setting From: wcwellbaum--- via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net -------- Begin forwarded message -------- Subject: TR-6 Ignition Timing setting Date: 6/2/15 7:00:25 AM From: wcwellbaum@cox.net To: 6pack@autox.taam.net Dick Taylor--Some time ago you suggested an ignition setting after all the smog gear and the vacuum retard mechanism had be removed/blanked off. It is time for an ignition tune up and I'm wondering if you could refresh my memory as to the timing setting please. Bill Wellbaum Las Vegas '75 TR-6 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 2 13:18:53 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1463258511F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [69.93.179.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F72225846CF for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id B97B37764413A; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB0177644030 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YzrdK-0002Sb-VB for 6pack@autox.team.net; Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:13:54 -0500 Received: from 99.101.202.234 ([99.101.202.234]) (proxying for 99.101.202.234) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:13:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:13:54 -0500 To: 6pack@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] please include it with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: [6pack] PoziDriv screws for dash From: Lee Daniels via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net ------=_20150602141354_28771 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've replaced the black dash screws on a couple of Triumphs in the past - making sure to get the black screws and the black cup washer. 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Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413EF258474F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m4.mx.aol.com (omr-m4.mx.aol.com [64.12.226.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899EA2580873 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:51:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mae01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mae01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.141]) by omr-m4.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 247013800004D for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 16:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (cblmdm72-240-208-30.buckeyecom.net [72.240.208.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mae01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 532243800008E for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 16:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:50 -0400 To: Lee Daniels via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1433278313; bh=I8Sqz6g3sHTNwK7J0+zkzbiVgsxBtBWH1rPIlbE5A/w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NwunO5+p7rjIBdzlkc2Yj8Az5G9zhSXgZ9668RQ2JIf6oPmtrYV24ZC4r1Cgo2PuA 1UamUSbrU8asoMbnHbxotNMobc1rjsOizWEKaRXQtIFecLeuABDhH/o5t8I0eAq2Jt R3UlkMgK1cd0PQQhQz4QcdIqZrEqLDCPBKVanzw8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8d556e176844e0 Subject: Re: [6pack] PoziDriv screws for dash From: mohawktriumphs via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net the roadster factory item TRF228,about 6 bucks for screws and washers... Sent from my ASUS Pad Lee Daniels via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: >I've replaced the black dash screws on a couple of Triumphs in the past - >making sure to get the black screws and the black cup washer. BUT - the >originals are all PoziDriv screws - and, as far as I know, the replacements >available are Phillips screws. Years ago I bought the appropriate PoziDriv >screwdrivers - they do work much better than a Phillips on a PoziDriv head. > >So far my searching has turned up no hits for a black PoziDriv screw that >matches the originals. (Photo of a formerly-black one attached.) Any ideas? > >Lee >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >6pack@autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mohawktriumphs@aol.com > _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 3 09:58:40 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C6D2586F87 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 09:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658152586062 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 09:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t53FwZ3O027712 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:58:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:58:35 -0400 (EDT) To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] 2015 Kastner Cup, TR6 View From: "Robert M. Lang via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Better late than never, right? Here's a few laps from the Kastner Cup, 2015 edition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dTeOwnwGQo Feel free to "share". FWIW, I had an awesome time!! Lots of fun. For those that were there, turns out my "smoke" was a blown head gasket. The gasket eroded into the lifter gallery. Then it was oil "everywhere". Go figure. And that stud that mysteriously fell off the car after I parked it in the trailer. What's up with that? c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 3 10:21:54 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EC72587544 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD5A25863DA for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:21:48 -0600 (MDT) t=1433348509; bh=Dbw/6NV5mCeNAYleC16VWlQicUeg3fhwrFppOBsxwt0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=qW7Fyb0hzMELAR9cQBhjRS3tm5lh3bPavOlKELrNLeFETyRfaCFnlUZKdTwuV1izVSXbYX0gWLLOHLBb9ToQbhurCbnCDX+BQGBB4wakWEHiJWPQQu24IG1HUIqqnAaIcpIVbHe/MtSRSowHDRLtvwx4NTpFPXN4r+FopH4oIdki56UU4jEX97jYoulxhPQq90YE2WF4aj0WtOewbdTAoJdqH1q4iulB6eUgd1Kl3aETtDjNIa/4pueCC8Cyjih+9Ck8pOPX5A0Q1Hfb+Uv2X0hJbuTvXMjhZ/2u1tvpZBB60k4PkEDnDNU2LOQYXTW4VtnEILwi4i66a0ipWyRm0A== Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2015 16:21:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.222] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2015 16:21:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2015 16:21:49 -0000 7gyWwedAqJeI9Wy9aDY05M68e9wIUIHxdIvILhMqN4C0F2hHaBBIDLcNSBwnEcxHfb42iUqmYXAF Owz7br95C0KTRU61LvCiNQZAqXM_bKqevPGCLFCqBwynbEX6_5ot_6x2lnvc3GP03hG9ofHmBB2o E4zZJEVGinmQNdDRNnXcRmWVJWZFp_lVcllyHR9.dQ4aivshSKyUlYYGlWwC6oTPQtV90gxwQvtB 1hkRoxkxwVb0AJYD6NJCcwnAyVFkZSarm5Gk.bQtDEvEZ3aqFEP2dElhKeNRbnenG_xn6oyj547J ebt8l4Qkar0dx7H2we.5nQM_NgcOGeq6fflTIhg_6IuWTKd3w8vJJHm9W7t25u1IsSfCEpQRn4OC Czv6VkINLyVgKGK1FEEwkqp3V60SFHUfbgDcUaahS_MqxJF0oISp42GdLkjH8lPKpxiyKoqBQiko sHS13BA-- Received: by 66.196.81.110; Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:21:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC) To: "Robert M. Lang" , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: Subject: Re: [6pack] 2015 Kastner Cup, TR6 View From: Jim Jones via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0422244996332928636== boundary="----=_Part_5203504_1341194233.1433348508634" ------=_Part_5203504_1341194233.1433348508634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like tons of fun! I didn't see any red mist, however.=C2=A0Jim Jones From: Robert M. Lang via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:58 AM Subject: [6pack] 2015 Kastner Cup, TR6 View =20 Hi, Better late than never, right? Here's a few laps from the Kastner Cup, 2015 edition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4dTeOwnwGQo Feel free to "share". FWIW, I had an awesome time!! Lots of fun. For those that were there, turns out my "smoke" was a blown head gasket.=20 The gasket eroded into the lifter gallery. Then it was oil "everywhere". Go figure. And that stud that mysteriously fell off the car after I parked it in the trailer. What's up with that? c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Triumph TR6!!=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | Voice:617-253-7438=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack oo.com ------=_Part_5203504_1341194233.1433348508634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like tons of fun! I didn't see any red = mist, however.
 
Jim Jones

From: Robert M. Lang via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.n= et>
To: 6pack@autox= .team.net
Sent: = Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:58 AM
Subject: [6pack] 2015 Kastner Cup, TR6 View
=
Hi,

Better late than never, right?

Here's a few laps from= the Kastner Cup, 2015 edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4dTeOwnwGQo

Feel free to = "share".

FWIW, I had an awesome time!! Lots of fun.

For those= that were there, turns out my "smoke" was a blown head gasket.
The
= gasket eroded into the lifter gallery. Then it was oil "everywhere". Go
= figure. And that stud that mysteriously fell off the car after I parked it<= br>in the trailer. What's up with that?

c ya,
rml
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------=_Part_5203504_1341194233.1433348508634-- --===============0422244996332928636== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0422244996332928636==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 3 15:41:12 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320772585E8F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FDA2580214 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vwm12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.42]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NPE006XK1JPQ550@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for 6pack@autox.team.net; Wed, 03 Jun 2015 17:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [69.126.235.217] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jun 2015 17:40:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 17:40:36 -0400 (EDT) To: "Robert M. Lang" Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] 2015 Kastner Cup, TR6 View From: Bob Peglow via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Right, thanks for sharing. Regards, Bob On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Robert M. Lang via 6pack wrote: > Hi, > > Better late than never, right? > > Here's a few laps from the Kastner Cup, 2015 edition. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dTeOwnwGQo > > Feel free to "share". > > FWIW, I had an awesome time!! Lots of fun. > > For those that were there, turns out my "smoke" was a blown head > gasket. The > gasket eroded into the lifter gallery. Then it was oil "everywhere". > Go > figure. And that stud that mysteriously fell off the car after I > parked it > in the trailer. What's up with that? > > c ya, > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rpeglow@optonline.net > > _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 3 16:05:34 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C182C2585D11 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 16:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.127]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FBB25856D4 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 16:05:25 -0600 (MDT) t=1433369127; bh=lnWdBc7t6w+NAhIDotUjTtLEaVbxZTZTIolzy2YyF/I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=nyv1hEm6n+FlAVisBPPlBf4UVpmE9TsxQXe+oyRuD7AWnB8JRm/vfq27RC5XQC81hmw0z9w6fntPPtdwNxpkveb9DkGlzV+mnnv4Hw7yH+6JCITTLa26l9iA11dDZRN5JFxq/YWs9+VQQsc607YZrNhBgWiP/nASu938IIBsMe/6IOixEM7KXVXcEBUQGp1F/iZK4/CjHrco0r9VJLv0eZ0ONIvKYHvS5ucjv50CerrtTeAT4ZZB3mjW+o8zYHvsj4Ly7Zy7XFg0pRJcCw/j3HwxUVPebknnzdzH64LzMyrd17UAWr5bTVGjzi0qxCTcO+bXEZLYdVAAykp8B2brwA== Received: from [98.139.170.182] by nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2015 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.230] by tm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2015 22:05:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2015 22:05:26 -0000 Lxx5g1oVBkO2C8O8pXUNiZIhqjsQpWZNA8bssyTkQtwUhNFHKjt0owlOhyyBS_wgBGtYWrQkvEuy nVP5kIRjrvySn8qgJvcvgX4m7tK1PB6DKVPQc8E6pSw8d77y3oSXY.iW7ndcC.WVfdB5hoqndrzS 1yu252mLGDOwU2N6XQwQS.RcySxw3_1pOIQMSLmTPwyLo9xGg9aCqmU7akYExGJVXd7JJUrF3AwU flVfAt1OqSemwy_H0trnIFnMpmlLmGYk9OGrMFDl0YOlzui20PAohrR28eyZFCn.frYxZfGmEiL2 vjvr03gqgSn.0Yt25EftGVg_GosHmdeptobZYXIQ_fYK3DjyE2G1_gnQrCfyIb7yOBxE6EiecHCZ WkeruYHQwyGrKHSc1jx6eELLmHQ3aHRsHx5JZEvivPlW9LDtMcYcjG1xh2Wr0MovVZPX409ijcPl 6duqtJDSx Received: by 76.13.26.136; Wed, 03 Jun 2015 22:05:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 22:04:18 +0000 (UTC) To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Response to Ignition Timing Question From: Yahoo via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8362976951371408924== boundary="----=_Part_5500641_99366756.1433369058277" ------=_Part_5500641_99366756.1433369058277 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10 degrees btdc after all smog and retard disconnected and plugged and you = should be golden. =C2=A0 Mine at a more aggressive =C2=A014 btdc, but tend = to get run on unless I use 94 octane. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Bruce Simms 73 with mods ------=_Part_5500641_99366756.1433369058277 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
10 degrees btdc after all smog and retard disconnected and plugged and you should be golden.   Mine at a more aggressive  14 btdc, but tend to get run on unless I use 94 octane.   

Bruce Simms 73 with mods
------=_Part_5500641_99366756.1433369058277-- --===============8362976951371408924== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============8362976951371408924==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 8 06:31:24 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A002584934 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 06:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC4S27.hotmail.com (snt004-omc4s27.hotmail.com [65.55.90.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E21258029F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 06:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT146-W34 ([65.55.90.199]) by SNT004-OMC4S27.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 8 Jun 2015 05:23:49 -0700 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 12:23:48 +0000 Importance: Normal FILETIME=[F916AD20:01D0A1E5] Subject: [6pack] Vickie British Sheep-skin covers From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2935584390976054582== boundary="_d3c9ea1c-f9f5-4731-be33-1419c3375123_" --_d3c9ea1c-f9f5-4731-be33-1419c3375123_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys=2CI know VB's quality isn't always the best=2C but some items are O= K. I've been looking for some sort of inexpensive seat covers and most 'uni= versal fit' ones are way to big for our seats. The Sheep-skin covers at VB = also say universal-fit=2C but they're shown on a TR6 and look to fit OK. (s= ame picture and model for 20+ years) Does anybody have any experience with = these covers or even seen any at a LBC event?=20 thanks for any info on these or other inexpensive slip covers.=20 Sloane 69-Six72-Spit = --_d3c9ea1c-f9f5-4731-be33-1419c3375123_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys=2C
I know VB's quali= ty isn't always the best=2C but some items are OK. I've been looking for so= me sort of inexpensive seat covers and most 'universal fit' ones are way to= big for our seats. The Sheep-skin covers at VB also say universal-fit=2C b= ut they're shown on a TR6 and look to fit OK. (same picture and model for 2= 0+ years) Does anybody have any experience with these covers or even seen a= ny at a LBC event? =3B

thanks for any info on = these or other inexpensive slip covers. =3B

Sl= oane =3B
69-Six
72-Spit
= --_d3c9ea1c-f9f5-4731-be33-1419c3375123_-- --===============2935584390976054582== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============2935584390976054582==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 11:39:54 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3842585BEB for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 11:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD302585AA3 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 11:38:59 -0600 (MDT) t=1433871544; bh=v0PB0wq3VRQDMLxhcRzIzM7hDLtPwHc9YgNGGCb7C7Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=SQg9kGU4H0AVUoV856G5RyhpvZNstZl/bWNxvspEHSC+hwxrLCkHgxUrYTri+dMDVyjmDItpAKWbhIS/ueA46Ei2AhvRGgxbdP71Tb2PyjpJRE8e4Xve/ZQrvVRV5HedUxdLGvSw0i9aWWqWLUpYLxEGE+8cpHvR6qyayw6BKZYeqfB0ZWISSHkrldJj8jO3H2HKvqNre/6v2qayQnfedRbhjS8VpDRbA2EqAYUsnIgnBJHc4m9EoEEIdy4Mt8f7OFWRgV8wONmceXW77S3RRfejFWDq0KGgTyiQJgaYxJkATMCqK6f+FPuhA6G64GSoHhE/hCzBKUTnzCAIVgK0tA== Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2015 17:39:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.225] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2015 17:39:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2015 17:39:04 -0000 LX7JRpTH8V1h4d1mMjl9Dg0NbHBS9QCcCOZvjavMyC8a7RX5V9xyA.yXxpc0.AEC1wO1qhyNqCIM t0Z3wHl_S2fFdS4Gu6Ti768eGjMzqnmP_Mz9rEcThYtUbahiDPXNz71NdcxJxWhVc_TGemFOZUbT Z6iP.nBygX_1OeoCabr4NAEDnmNW_wIJAWJPR3Fg3AGGFtfzFHMz8e27ibqbKMZM8dvetPIEwKXB GSL41qfOMVjKxNXJlDC9sQUlM1nR6z4Kpmn.CG4VfK0nATZQWYY9QqNp2zPVu5NdAUtecPRecZeQ jStDi770iI_Qj.RjNeoae1qC9xzziJ4q6aOH0aAE5s2Zd3CrC4PuTOwREI1BdIFqAm4O9gs5G2wp 47WNv4z0rZ01ZEMTr9.m3kNNNqHoSEZ6FPibGXL0kUAJoCvku.sBTWVDokV_AdxzIUSvq69ukVkN 5SddYSEbP Received: by 76.13.26.64; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:39:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] sheepskin covers From: Yahoo via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0314111464921201005== boundary="----=_Part_9872982_1147028854.1433871432882" ------=_Part_9872982_1147028854.1433871432882 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, sheepskin covers, I haven't thought about these in years. =C2=A0 Do th= ey still use the curvaceous models to advertise them in the back pages of m= en's magazines? Cheers, =C2=A0Bruce ------=_Part_9872982_1147028854.1433871432882 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Wow, sheepskin covers, I haven't thought about these in years.   Do they still use the curvaceous models to advertise them in the back pages of men's magazines?

Cheers,  Bruce
------=_Part_9872982_1147028854.1433871432882-- --===============0314111464921201005== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0314111464921201005==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 13:39:42 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD602585B67 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 13:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com (snt004-omc4s10.hotmail.com [65.55.90.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54832584B2F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 13:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT146-W38 ([65.55.90.200]) by SNT004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 9 Jun 2015 12:26:01 -0700 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 19:26:00 +0000 Importance: Normal References: <288520057.9872983.1433871432884.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[1E758690:01D0A2EA] Subject: Re: [6pack] sheepskin covers From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5566981692844381954== boundary="_167820ea-f59c-4781-a8ba-a50fcbc52495_" --_167820ea-f59c-4781-a8ba-a50fcbc52495_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea=2C (haha) I'd just like to find anything that will "sort of" fit the TR= 6 seats. VB actually sells a pretty nice canvas cover for the Spitfire. A b= uddy has a pair and let me borrow one to test sit=2C but it just doesn't fi= t the TR6 seat. Spitfire seat bottoms are wide and square compared to TR6 s= eat's round(ish) bottoms.=20 Anything else I can find look like they'll be way too big. If I start doing= my seats the right way I know I'll spend $1000+. I might give those VB she= epskin's a try. Need to check the return policy.=20 Anybody?? thanks=2CSloane :o) Date: Tue=2C 9 Jun 2015 17:37:12 +0000 To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] sheepskin covers From: 6pack@autox.team.net Wow=2C sheepskin covers=2C I haven't thought about these in years. Do the= y still use the curvaceous models to advertise them in the back pages of me= n's magazines? Cheers=2C Bruce = --_167820ea-f59c-4781-a8ba-a50fcbc52495_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yea=2C (haha) I'd just like to f= ind anything that will "sort of" fit the TR6 seats. VB actually sells a pre= tty nice canvas cover for the Spitfire. A buddy has a pair and let me borro= w one to test sit=2C but it just doesn't fit the TR6 seat. Spitfire seat bo= ttoms are wide and square compared to TR6 seat's round(ish) bottoms. = =3B

Anything else I can find look like they'll be way to= o big. If I start doing my seats the right way I know I'll spend $1000+. I = might give those VB sheepskin's a try. Need to check the return policy.&nbs= p=3B

Anybody??

thanks=2C<= /div>
Sloane :o)

Date: Tue=2C 9 Jun= 2015 17:37:12 +0000
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] sheeps= kin covers
From: 6pack@autox.team.net

Wow=2C sheepskin covers=2C I haven'= t thought about these in years.  =3B Do they still use the curvaceous m= odels to advertise them in the back pages of men's magazines?

Cheers=2C  =3BBruce


= --_167820ea-f59c-4781-a8ba-a50fcbc52495_-- --===============5566981692844381954== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5566981692844381954==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 14:55:16 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6FB2585B25 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 14:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S24.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s24.hotmail.com [65.55.111.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAD22584B2F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 14:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU179-W48 ([65.55.111.135]) by BLU004-OMC4S24.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 9 Jun 2015 13:42:08 -0700 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000 Importance: Normal FILETIME=[C118EAE0:01D0A2F4] Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4126756443022326526== boundary="_90694187-8a46-4a13-aaae-0b2386f30588_" --_90694187-8a46-4a13-aaae-0b2386f30588_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=85 First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously= =85even after 22 years of my entire adult life. I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey= 's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to people with= deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake=2C but still is probably the = best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct. First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re= place.First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh. Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld= ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in= ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur= e if anyone is interested) So the guy was really wanting the body removed=2C sand blasted=2C panels re= paired and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and m= oney. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly=2C looking at $10-20K= . for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old= cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture = about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K= I can find a car that comes close to showroom condition!!! I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=85.wha= t else=85 =85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with = the rotten areas=2C put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the dan= g thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no mor= e=85make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again= =85.I mean=2C what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the histo= ry of THIS car. Or:another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repa= ired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good weld= ing job but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you= get what you pay for.=20 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever= ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte= d.At this point=2C I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth m= ore they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only = half kidding=85.) Oh=2C one more thing=85.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switchin= g to Silicone brake fluid. I mean=2C DEAD set against and talking about war= ranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is = that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts=2C I = put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the= parts I buy from Moss=2C etc. hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls = the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. I suspect all this is be= cause his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.=20 I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a= s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=85is= Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? Well=2C any advice or words of comfort? James 1976 TR6=20 = --_90694187-8a46-4a13-aaae-0b2386f30588_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all=85

First=85.I am so depressed - I m= ay sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=85even after 22 years of my enti= re adult life.

I just met and got a quote f= rom a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=85and I gather he does ve= ry high end work=85.and accustom to people with deep pockets.
So = that was probably my mistake=2C but still is probably the best approach to = have work done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I= was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.

<= /div>
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricate= d and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too= .
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)

So the guy was really wanting the body removed=2C sand blasted=2C = panels repaired and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all get= s down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.
Roughly=2C looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car = that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is wo= rth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $2= 0K I can =3Bfind a car=  =3Bthat =3Bcomes close to showroom condition!!!

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / = sad / hmmmm=85.what else=85

=85I am at a loss as t= o what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas=2C pu= t the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I fi= nally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean=2C what's the= point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  =3BI know the history of THIS car.

Or:
another option=85.(my o= riginal desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards = installed by someone that does a really good welding job =3B
= but not nearly as intense of a procedure =3Bor expensi= ve. I know=85you get what you pay for. =3B

This winter: I re= moved everything from the engine to detail it out and everything is ready t= o go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painted.
At t= his point=2C I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more th= ey the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
(= only half kidding=85.)


Oh=2C one mo= re thing=85.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching= to Silicone brake fluid. I mean=2C DEAD set against and talking about warr= anty being voided if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What Wa= rranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy p= arts=2C I put them on." I am the warranty department!
He mentione= d the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss=2C etc. hmmmm=85.They void it i= f the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake= fluid. =3B
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against = Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates. =3B

I was recently curious why =3Bauto stores don't= seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this = restoration guy's comments=85is Silicone THAT bad/p= oorly rated?

Well=2C any advice or words of= comfort?

James

1976 TR6&= nbsp=3B

= --_90694187-8a46-4a13-aaae-0b2386f30588_-- --===============4126756443022326526== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============4126756443022326526==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 15:26:05 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D745C2585743 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ECA258035F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:22:09 -0600 (MDT) t=1433884934; bh=b7z1bcdJVoltTVtudKJ2tG/Kxe96Eul5S+63aNdeHww=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=CZSzM0tAU+7IWsd1uL+xC+FGEzfWvy3vE/dy5Qv8peEiKjQkMJYI57N1Z13eDKnxQEDMal/AaSdqX8+kIc4KkQk88247Iq5RHhQJ80QKIq4txjkAaRm70utumQ9NGZAAb/w8W/zItVaV76d5IBfZArcDQqUxLwuu+sS0CcYwJd0NKpEfkpXEfEchAbjyO8YChnWsKcCBTPXh7wfzUT3HDA/hc6ZrjCw+t0BFjJhpDBxVJJs8d1hL0KE2i7Iy1X7YbwmTvE/5mS+umI8t5Z1PdIPHoNpT1bmcgizuMnbrwsfWnmcOURmQjXc1/oIW1dmTTT4au0IKKo7GaxSFFYI3vQ== Received: from [98.138.100.113] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2015 21:22:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.239] by tm104.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2015 21:22:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2015 21:22:14 -0000 Op8.aJklg.jxG6KSLhx0SFT_U8qheJvd6zI4eom25wIEaDpV5FF3SUfC6zziXnaayuhxcwQkef3H GaYfMAn2YBwDicncChH.XYqQuYPn_P8OcI6midTQxFl140h7Mz9k3PsJALlbmts8fblS_tCXeYiA aP3Z5IScqTvyDVGKHD9aYCZ7qAoMryOLvLU3CqmIoVoCodospZfk4GgUMM4aCQESk3QJB8IzltBz PEzKqfWbIVuPH2AgttFl0QkzEvwbcjeOjBpnJBmbUyzI_1eVeAsreeWX4U3rfgaeOcnpUKGdpaoX xAH8B01yFdrkZLHCvfXp5.dnntyfRTRmuA4IY2onQjyJDmh5XZXxVqENuKAHiCLc1n6fIH7tCJKK jI6fOCw9mG2M0P5YvxpB4QFf9ma27JYN28L22N98Lhi2EFKTVElqBgQyR8SMVHrhjtoySWfABHxe EjDV5UA-- Received: by 98.138.105.227; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 21:22:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 21:22:12 +0000 (UTC) To: James_ , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: Dale via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7363085572560960831== boundary="----=_Part_8321812_1508643977.1433884932978" ------=_Part_8321812_1508643977.1433884932978 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James The man is correct that it is best to raise the body=C2=A0 to weld the repa= ir panels, but it can be done one at a time with the body still on the fram= e. Use the new floor pan as a guide to cut out the old panel. Make sure the= new panel fits. Have a welder that will travel to your location and tack i= t in. It does not need to be fully welded at one time. Do each panel this w= ay that needs to be replaced. One thing, do bolt a bar to the A an B post s= o the door alignment is not lost. Once all the panels are in place the body can be raise a couple feet off th= e frame to do any needed welding from underneath. If you get a really good = welder he may be able to get deep penetration from the top and fore go the = need to raise the body. There are welders that work for structural companie= s that travel all the time check your local listings.=C2=A0 For safety, remove the gas tank and put it outside or someplace away from t= he car. If you are a member of the 6 pack club check out some of the basket cases o= thers have brought back on there own.=20 There is always more than one way to thread a needle. Don't lose hope.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Dale From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... =20
Hi = all=E2=80=A6

First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - = I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 y= ears of my entire adult life.

I just m= et and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80= =A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people = with deep pockets.
So tha= t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have = work done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I= was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
First overwhelming thought= =E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.

Second: I have= a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse = is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects t= he pedal box too.
(I can = send a picture if anyone is interested)

So th= e guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired an= d powder coated.
Sounds a= wesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest= of the year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not = sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost m= ore than a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. B= ut...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any = means. And for $20K I can find = a car that comes close to showroom condition!!!

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / = sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6

=E2=80=A6I= am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the = rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk awa= y. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80= =A6make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a T= R6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  = ;I know the history of THIS car.

Or:
=
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the ar= eas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really g= ood welding job 
but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nb= sp;or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6yo= u get what you pay for. 

<= /font>
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detai= l it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and = engine bay painted.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the= PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And ev= erything is removed!
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)

=

Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
this guy i= s DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean,= DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like the= re is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warr= anty department!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy fro= m Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. 
I suspect= all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what h= is dad hates. 

I was recently curious why&nbs= p;auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much a= s the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=E2=80= =A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well, any advice or words of comfort?

= James

1976 TR6 

=09=09 = =09 =09=09

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= ------=_Part_8321812_1508643977.1433884932978-- --===============7363085572560960831== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============7363085572560960831==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 15:39:50 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788D52585A88 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F2A258035F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:33:41 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1433885624; x=1434490424; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Date:From:Subject:To:cc:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: Organization:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=/c+OEmqs+MbL2cK0iVmUs MkzCVMQMzNOwhBUpAAQFUY=; b=fjoK5NwAUWtuqCCjKB1CSSv6biykiiA5lDrYR 1MQyobcOD8BxM9U6I1c6bJMK2MHVWRpHeC2KSp6jQnVz0FVLmcXSbzO/TCYBwrIG lsYNky8qDlWbS2YQBgDNQ90RQo/rAKYQjLwf6sApElQ0Rai+/vYRZt9AmYTIj1KL +4+YLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=FPApP+8G7L9xnbGZlSditNJlqmWrO1LoAgIln1jSBZmrP7rYwZui8CYLw7ST pMDt5mcC+PIH0bP19vkDzztfF5Hl6qfWm0+57xdOtPpcAQsspKAZKaMEL Hw/rhj/JgUxM7GzB0Hm7W997WR3c3Ow2F41Hx8MHYCWhN7dSFdfokQ=; Received: from MARK-i7.IFN-MTL.COM by sysfx.com (Cipher TLSv1:AES-SHA:128) (MDaemon PRO v13.6.3) with ESMTP id 48-md50000171268.msg for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:33:43 -0400 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) (sysfx.com) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:34:00 -0400 To: 'James_' Organization: IndieFIlmNet Cc: "'6pack@autox.team.net'" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: Mark Hooper via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0870975780496423832== --186015517-16907-1433885646-0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You could always try the simple "scrape i= t down and then coat with POR" method. Before that, a bit of braising could= cover many sins. It would definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I= was always under the impression that the replacements were designed to be = welded "in situ" as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection= , maybe not, but perfection is awfully expensive. =20 As to the Silicone question: Lord I do tire of the fright-mongers. Silicone= works. Period. After this much time, one would think this question had bee= n resolved, if only by the continued survival of the people who have conver= ted.=20 =20 I asked a couple of list gurus like Randall and then decided to give it a g= o. I was so sick of getting my paint ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR= drips. I did the bare minimum of work to switch over. I just drained as much of th= e old fluid as I could, by unbolting the calipers and turning them over to = drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through to clean the lines and then just t= ightened the valves. I think I bled the system a little once or twice in th= e next couple of days to get a little air out and that was it.=20 =20 I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint or had a joint freeze up on the brake= lines in the 10 years since I changed. Brakes are nice and stiff, clutch i= s very good. It seems to me that the brake MC and clutch MC seals last long= er with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid.=20 =20 Anyway, one of the best changes I ever made to the car. Just my opinion, an= d you know what they say about those... =20 Cheers, =20 Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 From: 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James_ via 6= pack Sent: June-09-15 4:42 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... =20 Hi all=85 =20 First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously= =85even after 22 years of my entire adult life. =20 I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey= 's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to people with= deep pockets. So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to= have work done 100% thorough and correct. =20 First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re= place. First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh. =20 Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld= ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too. (I can send a picture if anyone is interested) =20 So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair= ed and powder coated. Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and = the rest of the year. Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that= much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth. I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket'= by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom c= ondition!!! =20 I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=85.wha= t else=85 =20 =85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with = the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it. or: Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85me= rcy=85no more=85make it stop" stage. - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's the poi= nt. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car. =20 Or: another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repaire= d and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding= job=20 but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you get wha= t you pay for.=20 =20 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever= ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte= d. At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more = they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed! (only half kidding=85.) =20 =20 Oh, one more thing=85. this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake flui= d. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I us= e it. I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is = a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty d= epartment! He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=85.They = void it if the silicone falls the parts. Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20 I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follo= ws what his dad hates.=20 =20 I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a= s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=85is= Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? =20 Well, any advice or words of comfort? =20 James =20 1976 TR6=20 --186015517-16907-1433885646-0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You could always try the simple "scrape it down and then coat with POR&quo= t; method. Before that, a bit of braising could cover many sins. It would definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I was always under the impression that the replacements were designed to be welded "in situ&q= uot; as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection, maybe not, but perfection is awfully expensive.

 

As to the Silicone question: Lord I do= tire of the fright-mongers. Silicone works. Period. After this much time, one wo= uld think this question had been resolved, if only by the continued survival of= the people who have converted.

 

I asked a couple of list gurus like Randall and then decided to give it a go. I was so sick of getting my paint ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR drips.

I did the bare minimum of work to swit= ch over. I just drained as much of the old fluid as I could, by unbolting the calipers and turning them over to drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through = to clean the lines and then just tightened the valves. I think I bled the syst= em a little once or twice in the next couple of days to get a little air out and that was it.

 

I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint = or had a joint freeze up on the brake lines in the 10 years since I changed. B= rakes are nice and stiff, clutch is very good. It seems to me that the brake MC a= nd clutch MC seals last longer with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid. <= o:p>

 

Anyway, one of the best changes I ever made to the car. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about those...=

 

Cheers,

 

Mark Hooper

1972 TR6

From:= 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James_ via 6pack
Sent: June-09-15 4:42 PM
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...<= /o:p>

 

Hi all…

 

First….I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 an= d walk away….seriously…even after 22 years of my entire adult lif= e.

 

I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally w= orks on Austin Healey's…and I gather he does very high end work….and accustom to people with deep pockets.

So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably= the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.

 

First: I was told floor pans require the car body to b= e off the frame to replace.

First overwhelming thought…body of the car? ugh.=

 

Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panel= s fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has<= o:p>

eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affec= ts the pedal box too.

(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)

 

So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.

Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money= . a LOT of money and the rest of the year.

Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sur= e I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more tha= n a car is worth.

I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust i= s not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom condition!!!

 

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed= / sad / hmmmm….what else…

 

…I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Sa= y screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and dri= ve it.

or:

Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally rea= ched that "mercy…mercy…no more…make it stop" stage.<= o:p>

- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again̷= 0;.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the history = of THIS car.

 

Or:

another option….(my original desire/thought) is = to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does= a really good welding job 

but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know…you get what you pay for. 

 

This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed= and engine bay painted.

At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything = is removed!

(only half kidding….)

 

 

Oh, one more thing….

this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching t= o Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty b= eing voided if I use it.

I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" &qu= ot;I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!

He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss= , etc. hmmmm….They void it if the silicone falls the parts.<= /span>

Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. 

I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silic= one and he just follows what his dad hates. 

 

I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem= to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restorati= on guy's comments…is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?

 

Well, any advice or words of comfort?

 

James

 

1976 TR6 

 

--186015517-16907-1433885646-0-- --===============0870975780496423832== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0870975780496423832==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 15:57:43 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E35A2585DF7 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s10.hotmail.com [65.55.111.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2E7258035F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU406-EAS20 ([65.55.111.137]) by BLU004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 9 Jun 2015 14:46:19 -0700 References: Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 14:46:13 -0700 To: James_ FILETIME=[B7FA1570:01D0A2FD] Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... 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with ESMTP id 2B32E2584AF5 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 16:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S31.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s31.hotmail.com [65.55.90.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD3525807BA for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 16:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT146-W40 ([65.55.90.71]) by SNT004-OMC2S31.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:04:51 -0700 To: James_ , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 22:04:51 +0000 Importance: Normal References: FILETIME=[4F04DA70:01D0A300] Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: im sloane via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7635930684453816385== boundary="_14de7445-7939-44da-a6ce-fcfca1ea6f69_" --_14de7445-7939-44da-a6ce-fcfca1ea6f69_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James=2CMy .02 on the floors and could be taken as advice on the whole job.= My brother's 73 needed new floors as the first project when he got it. He = ordered new pans from TRF and I "thought" it sounded like something I could= do=2C obviously not. So I took it to a local "country" body shop that had = painted mine years before. Kinda of a crappy place but did good work. He se= emed to understand what I wanted done=2C but made his own decision on how t= o do it. Picked up the car=2C floors nice and seam sealed and everything lo= oked good=2C from the top. First time I was under it I saw what he had done= . He cut my new floors to make 'whole car' replacement panels and welded th= em in where he had cut out the old ones. Now this wasn't a LBC guy=2C and h= e did what he intended to do just fine. Car is fine=2C solid=2C everything = is great=2C except I know it wasn't really done right.=20 Moral to my story: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on LBCs=2C it= probably would have snowballed into something like you're facing. But in t= he long run=2C his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got the re= st of the interior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles and miles. = Does it win any shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and does he enjoy= talking to other LBC guys at the shows - YES. Does he enjoy driving it and= the looks it gets as he passes by - YES.=20 My goal: hold down the total cost of ownership as much as possible and enjo= y driving the piss out of my car.=20 Sloane :o) To: 6pack@autox.team.net Date: Tue=2C 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: 6pack@autox.team.net =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi all=85 First=85 = --_14de7445-7939-44da-a6ce-fcfca1ea6f69_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
James=2C
My .02 on the floor= s and could be taken as advice on the whole job. My brother's 73 needed new= floors as the first project when he got it. He ordered new pans from TRF a= nd I "thought" it sounded like something I could do=2C obviously not. So I = took it to a local "country" body shop that had painted mine years before. = Kinda of a crappy place but did good work. He seemed to understand what I w= anted done=2C but made his own decision on how to do it. Picked up the car= =2C floors nice and seam sealed and everything looked good=2C from the top.= First time I was under it I saw what he had done. He cut my new floors to = make 'whole car' replacement panels and welded them in where he had cut out= the old ones. Now this wasn't a LBC guy=2C and he did what he intended to = do just fine. Car is fine=2C solid=2C everything is great=2C except I know = it wasn't really done right. =3B

Moral to my s= tory: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on LBCs=2C it probably wou= ld have snowballed into something like you're facing. But in the long run= =2C his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got the rest of the i= nterior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles and miles. Does it win= any shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and does he enjoy talking to= other LBC guys at the shows - YES. Does he enjoy driving it and the looks = it gets as he passes by - YES. =3B

My goal: ho= ld down the total cost of ownership as much as possible and enjoy driving t= he piss out of my car. =3B

Sloane :o)


To: 6pack@auto= x.team.net
Date: Tue=2C 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Fl= oorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
From: 6pack@autox.team.net
=0A= =0A= =0A=
Hi all=85

First=85
= --_14de7445-7939-44da-a6ce-fcfca1ea6f69_-- --===============7635930684453816385== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============7635930684453816385==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 16:40:47 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0702585E84 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 16:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275172584880 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 16:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhpn97 with SMTP id n97so13298703yhp.0 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GvSKrrPXriAFNwwqR6MSuoHHk+6lEbYRNX3AsIYgie8=; b=nml7HqJP3/8oBCprjrBZOojGVFLbTAYxwIbiVPj//Zh2R1NHo6Mm3RPmkT9u24SXiI CY3InfXXJQaMLLoACRV251XKMJulW+eu+uPZVjhOPKR1sZMelZat8KHwMHhEDrJ2o2br jvF6RtAq7g4oLsRNmOhF2V5DU/0gLzZJwTAzBPmHLo5QfU6m1DwxEd9IKgCdxB4tf57H pf/8/iIk1H3ODeYawHgdkWequzYkL301FA9Hd26liuNGfaaf81PyDV5yT+qUqRE75Bv8 K/mnrOYcdkOZLEVZyKThoq9AXO0AdcsGAx+EyuMPNdxQlGJZLAzbaO+uM4YWYl11s+zI Ehsg== 09 Jun 2015 15:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.16.213 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.16.213 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:40:26 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:40:26 -0400 To: James_ Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6798932660961576573== --001a1149020edccc8905181d7186 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the outer edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut and patch in a new floor pan. If not then tub off. If inner rocker is bad, tub off. Depends on where the bad area is. I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took the body off. I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner fender. I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last 15 years. Al On Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Hi all=E2=80=A6 > > First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk > away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult li= fe. > > I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin > Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and acc= ustom to people > with deep pockets. > So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach > to have work done 100% thorough and correct. > > First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to > replace. > First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh. > > Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and > welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has > eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box to= o. > (I can send a picture if anyone is interested) > > So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels > repaired and powder coated. > Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money an= d > the rest of the year. > Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car > that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is > worth. > I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust > bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to > showroom condition!!! > > I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2= =80=A6.what > else=E2=80=A6 > > =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and li= ve with > the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it. > or: > Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that > "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage. > - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's= the > point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car. > > Or: > another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas= repaired > and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding > job > but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6you= get > what you pay for. > > This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and > everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay > painted. > At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor= e > they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed! > (only half kidding=E2=80=A6.) > > > Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6. > this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake > fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided i= f > I use it. > I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there i= s > a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty > department! > He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80= =A6.They > void it if the silicone falls the parts. > Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. > I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just > follows what his dad hates. > > I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone > as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments= =E2=80=A6is > Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? > > Well, any advice or words of comfort? > > James > > 1976 TR6 > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > > --001a1149020edccc8905181d7186 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If the outer edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut= and patch in a new floor pan.
If not then tub off.
If inner rocker is bad, tub off.
Depends on where the bad area is.
I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and = the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took= the body off.
I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner f= ender.
I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last= 15 years.
Al

On Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack&q= uot; <6pack@autox.team.net&g= t; wrote:
Hi all=E2=80=A6

First= =E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the= TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my ent= ire adult life.

I just met and got a quote = from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather= he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pocke= ts.
So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the be= st approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the fram= e to replace.
First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car?= ugh.

Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that = need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder a= nd rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affe= cts the pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interes= ted)

So the guy was really wanting the body remove= d, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.
Sounds awesom= e. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of t= he year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure = I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more t= han a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. Bu= t...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' b= y any means. And for $20K I can=C2=A0= find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!!

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed= / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6

=E2=80= =A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with = the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk = away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no mor= e=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring mysel= f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't = THAT awful and =C2=A0I know the history of T= HIS car.

<= div>
Or:
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought)= is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone th= at does a really good welding job=C2=A0
but not nearly as intense= of a procedure=C2=A0or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6<= font size=3D"3">you get what you pay for.=C2=A0

This winter: I removed everything from t= he engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the r= ust was fixed and engine bay painted.
At this point, I may as wel= l sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole= at this point. And everything is removed!
(only half kidding=E2= =80=A6.)


Oh, one more thing=E2=80= =A6.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Sili= cone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being= voided if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warrant= y is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to&= quot; "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!=
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmm= mm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really?= Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0
I suspect all this is bec= ause his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.=C2= =A0

I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other = types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?

<= div>Well, any advice or words of comfort?

James

1976 TR6=C2=A0


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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============2222569854845838052==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 18:16:13 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32DF2585C93 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D74F2585102 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-16v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.240]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id eQ1a1q0055BUCh401Q2PPG; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:02:23 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-419v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.174]) by resomta-po-16v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id eQ2N1q00c3m8rgJ01Q2NcM; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:02:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:02:22 +0000 (UTC) To: James_ References: Thread-Topic: Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... Thread-Index: /QKL6wheS++AESTi+UzKO41CJR5utg== s=q20140121; t=1433894543; bh=kiC4YStNi6sI3IiLJp+F/5FHmlhppTLx/8wkEqlZAnA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=qmxnwP3BIS9s4Rs2H/HAA+9SDgvinfe6wEVyfbYtpnst/WbJemidRn5nQqEU3tSSu pUyxzgg57WkPi1ZA5ipqqphDeU9DJVpLasQIeKiQ2r/A37dqyz0t07qaDywmH1iCfS jHWRuSWd6h8FnKhK6QY81RsYN84evZbTeoOPVrFwDiwcJJ5WxrfcIJDbgtSPpeeSSR wF7gh4LsGobC6sUeD0MObdng+ALOrPW2FqrUkMQQFA6jpg669dZ1/QhXhZD7D0xBNg /dxzr+Z5343innfc1jrNqbHwjYXvy7MXXLJHUCU8+lc3ouzCjQ0/3haQQLosPbF12m RGFvveTON3StA== Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: CHRIS via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1029421594227052364== boundary="----=_Part_20832675_11833449.1433894542210" ------=_Part_20832675_11833449.1433894542210 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James,=20 I'm in the same boat needing to replace my drivers side floorpan. I started= investigating as well and at first was pretty discouraged by the cost and = recommended approach of pulling the body off. I spent some more time resear= ching and made a few calls and found other opinions and options. Granted my= car is not perfect nor will it every be and I don't plan to show it. I wan= t it safe and drive able.=20 What I found is you can replace the floorpan with the body on, some people = even just replace the front half of the floorpan or just patch it and other= s use products like POR-15. Depends on the final result you are looking for= and what you consider acceptable. I am going the route of replacing the wh= ole floorpan and have stripped everything down so I can see where the previ= ous welds are for when I cut it. I found some good posts and pictures on th= e process.=20 I've done some welding in the past so I may tackle that myself or just hire= a professional. The quotes so far are few hundred dollars assuming I have = all the prep done and everything ready to. They are mobile welders and basi= cally just show up and do the welding and some basic adjustments. Can speak= for the quality of work at this point but from what I understand for a sea= soned welder this is not a tough job as long as the fit is good. I attached= a forum post below I found useful.=20 By the way pulling the body off and sand blasting does sound awesome and ul= timately would be fantastic if I had more time and money.=20 Chris=20 http://www.triumphexp.com/phorum/read.php?6,868323=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James_ via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 To: "James_" =20 Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:46:13 PM=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...=20 One thought I have is to locate a good inner well arch for drivers side or = at least the flat triangle section to cut out and use that to replace my ba= d corner. It is the worse of the rust=20 The. The floor pan issue. They are shot!=20 If I could get it all fixed for say under $4k I'd be happy.=20 Well,=20 I have two other places to call.=20 If I sold the car I know I would not be able to buy a different one. Probab= ly just flat out done with classic cars. I'll probably need therapy over th= e=20 Mere sight of classic cars now! Hah.=20 =E2=80=94Sent from my Atari 2600=E2=80=94=20 On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" < 6pack@autox.team.net > wro= te:=20 Hi all=E2=80=A6=20 First=E2=80=A6. I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80= =A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.=20 I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey= 's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to= people with deep pockets.=20 So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to= have work done 100% thorough and correct.=20 First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re= place.=20 First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.=20 Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld= ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has=20 eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.= =20 (I can send a picture if anyone is interested)=20 So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair= ed and powder coated.=20 Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and = the rest of the year.=20 Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that= much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.= =20 I know that. Don't lecture about that. But... my rust is not a 'rust bucket= ' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom = condition!!!=20 I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80= =A6.what else=E2=80=A6=20 =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live= with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.=20 or:=20 Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2= =80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.=20 - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's t= he point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car.=20 Or:=20 another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas r= epaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good w= elding job=20 but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know =E2=80=A6 you= get what you pay for.=20 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever= ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte= d.=20 At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more = they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!=20 (only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)=20 Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.=20 this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake flui= d. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I us= e it.=20 I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is = a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty d= epartment!=20 He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6= .They void it if the silicone falls the parts.=20 Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20 I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follo= ws what his dad hates.=20 I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a= s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments =E2= =80=A6 is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?=20 Well, any advice or words of comfort?=20 James=20 1976 TR6=20
_______________________________________________=20 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive=20 6pack@autox.team.net=20 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack=20 ail.com=20
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Hi James,

I'm in the same boat n= eeding to replace my drivers side floorpan.  I started investigating a= s well and at first was pretty discouraged by the cost and recommended appr= oach of pulling the body off. I spent some more time researching and made a= few calls and found other opinions and options.  Granted my car is no= t perfect nor will it every be and I don't plan to show it.  I want it= safe and drive able.

What I found is you can replace the floorpan wi= th the body on, some people even just replace the front half of the floorpa= n or just patch it and others use products like POR-15. Depends on the fina= l result you are looking for and what you consider acceptable. I am going t= he route of replacing the whole floorpan and have stripped everything down = so I can see where the previous welds are for when I cut it. I found some g= ood posts and pictures on the process.
I've done some welding in the = past so I may tackle that myself or just hire a professional.  The quo= tes so far are few hundred dollars assuming I have all the prep done and ev= erything ready to. They are mobile welders and basically just show up and d= o the welding and some basic adjustments. Can speak for the quality of work= at this point but from what I understand for a seasoned welder this is not= a tough job as long as the fit is good.  I attached a forum post belo= w I found useful.

By the way pulling the body off and sand blasting d= oes sound awesome and ultimately would be fantastic if I had more time and = money.

Chris


<= br>

From: "James_ via 6pack" <6pack= @autox.team.net>
To: "James_" <jattr6@hotmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:46:13= PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quo= te...


One thought I have is to locate= a good inner well arch for drivers side or at least the flat triangle sect= ion to cut out and use that to replace my bad corner. It is the worse of th= e rust

The. The floor pan issue. They are shot!

If I could get it all fixed for say under $4k I'd be= happy. 
Well,
I have two other places to call.&nb= sp;

If I sold the car I know I would not be able t= o buy a different one. Probably just flat out done with classic cars. I'll = probably need therapy over the
Mere sight of classic cars now! Ha= h. 


=E2=80=94Sent from my Atari 2600=E2= =80=94

On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

<= /div>
Hi all=E2=80=A6

First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk aw= ay=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.<= /span>

I just met and got a quote from a guy that = generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high e= nd work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pockets.
So tha= t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have = work done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I was = told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
<= div>First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.

=
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricat= ed and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box to= o.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)

<= /div>
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, pan= els repaired and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all gets d= own to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.
R= oughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that = much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.<= /div>
I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust buc= ket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that com= es close to showroom condition!!!

I guess I= am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what e= lse=E2=80=A6

=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to= do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car b= ack to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing an= d walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no m= ore=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself t= o buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful = and  I know the history of THIS car.

O= r:
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to hav= e the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a = really good welding job 
but not nearly as intense of a proc= edure or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6you get wh= at you pay for. 

This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and eve= rything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay paint= ed.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd = be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is remo= ved!
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)


<= /div>
Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
this guy is DEAD set again= st my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set agains= t and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.
I looked a= t him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealersh= ip I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!=
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmm= mm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really?= Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. 
I suspect all this is bec= ause his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.&nb= sp;

I was recently curious why auto = stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So no= w with this restoration guy's comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone = THAT bad/poorly rated?

Well, any advice or = words of comfort?

James

1= 976 TR6 

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------=_Part_20832675_11833449.1433894542210-- --===============1029421594227052364== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1029421594227052364==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 9 18:28:56 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D313C2585A91 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09612584FFF for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.224.41] ([70.121.224.41:59325] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id FB/7A-25172-8E187755; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:16:40 +0000 To: "im sloane" , "James_" , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 19:16:40 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: Greg Lemon via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7148287609560637107== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0483_01D0A2E8.D0219AC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0483_01D0A2E8.D0219AC0 charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I couldn't agree with Sloane's comments more. Some people say there is = one way to do it and that is the right way, I just do not agree with = that. The depending on how bad, the floors could be patched or replace = as described below, as long as the welds are done well the car will be = structurally fine, and when you are driving down the road, or looking at = it from above or in the cockpit you will never know the difference. If = you want to pay the guy 20 grand to replace the floors and make the car = like new more power to you, but there are many ways to fix and enjoy a = car. Reading what you wrote it makes me sad that the situation would = end your hobby car ownership, there are options as others have = explained. Oh yes, if you do one of the more "quick and dirty" repairs, the resale = will be a little less, but on the other hand, as you already noted, you = won't get back anywhere near the 20K quote on the cost of repair. Greg Lemon TR250 From: im sloane via 6pack=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:04 PM To: James_ ; 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... James,=20 My .02 on the floors and could be taken as advice on the whole job. My = brother's 73 needed new floors as the first project when he got it. He = ordered new pans from TRF and I "thought" it sounded like something I = could do, obviously not. So I took it to a local "country" body shop = that had painted mine years before. Kinda of a crappy place but did good = work. He seemed to understand what I wanted done, but made his own = decision on how to do it. Picked up the car, floors nice and seam sealed = and everything looked good, from the top. First time I was under it I = saw what he had done. He cut my new floors to make 'whole car' = replacement panels and welded them in where he had cut out the old ones. = Now this wasn't a LBC guy, and he did what he intended to do just fine. = Car is fine, solid, everything is great, except I know it wasn't really = done right.=20 Moral to my story: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on LBCs, = it probably would have snowballed into something like you're facing. But = in the long run, his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got = the rest of the interior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles = and miles. Does it win any shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and = does he enjoy talking to other LBC guys at the shows - YES. Does he = enjoy driving it and the looks it gets as he passes by - YES.=20 My goal: hold down the total cost of ownership as much as possible and = enjoy driving the piss out of my car.=20 Sloane :o) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- To: 6pack@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000 Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: 6pack@autox.team.net Hi all=85 First=85 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/glemon@neb.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0483_01D0A2E8.D0219AC0 charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I couldn't agree with Sloane's comments more.  Some people say = there=20 is one way to do it and that is the right way, I just do not agree with=20 that.  The depending on how bad, the floors could be patched or = replace as=20 described below, as long as the welds are done well the car will be = structurally=20 fine, and when you are driving down the road, or looking at it from = above or in=20 the cockpit you will never know the difference.  If you want to pay = the guy=20 20 grand to replace the floors and make the car like new more power to = you, but=20 there are many ways to fix and enjoy a car.  Reading what you wrote = it=20 makes me sad that the situation would end your hobby car ownership, = there are=20 options as others have explained.
 
Oh yes, if you do one of the more "quick and dirty" repairs, the = resale=20 will be a little less, but on the other hand, as you already noted, you = won't=20 get back anywhere near the 20K quote on the cost of repair.
 
Greg Lemon
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Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair=20 quote...

James,=20
My .02 on the floors and could be taken as advice on the whole job. = My=20 brother's 73 needed new floors as the first project when he got it. He = ordered=20 new pans from TRF and I "thought" it sounded like something I could do,=20 obviously not. So I took it to a local "country" body shop that had = painted mine=20 years before. Kinda of a crappy place but did good work. He seemed to = understand=20 what I wanted done, but made his own decision on how to do it. Picked up = the=20 car, floors nice and seam sealed and everything looked good, from the = top. First=20 time I was under it I saw what he had done. He cut my new floors to make = 'whole=20 car' replacement panels and welded them in where he had cut out the old = ones.=20 Now this wasn't a LBC guy, and he did what he intended to do just fine. = Car is=20 fine, solid, everything is great, except I know it wasn't really done=20 right. 

Moral to my story: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on = LBCs, it=20 probably would have snowballed into something like you're facing. But in = the=20 long run, his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got the rest = of the=20 interior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles and miles. Does it = win any=20 shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and does he enjoy talking to = other LBC=20 guys at the shows - YES. Does he enjoy driving it and the looks it gets = as he=20 passes by - YES. 

My goal: hold down the total cost of ownership as much as possible = and=20 enjoy driving the piss out of my car. 

Sloane :o)


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Today's Topics: =C2=A0 1. Re: sheepskin covers (im sloane) =C2=A0 2. Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... (James_) =C2=A0 3. Re: Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... (Dale) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 19:26:00 +0000 From: im sloane To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] sheepskin covers Yea, (haha) I'd just like to find anything that will "sort of" fit the TR6 = seats. VB actually sells a pretty nice canvas cover for the Spitfire. A bud= dy has a pair and let me borrow one to test sit, but it just doesn't fit th= e TR6 seat. Spitfire seat bottoms are wide and square compared to TR6 seat'= s round(ish) bottoms.=20 Anything else I can find look like they'll be way too big. If I start doing= my seats the right way I know I'll spend $1000+. I might give those VB she= epskin's a try. Need to check the return policy.=20 Anybody?? thanks,Sloane :o) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 17:37:12 +0000 To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] sheepskin covers From: 6pack@autox.team.net Wow, sheepskin covers, I haven't thought about these in years.=C2=A0 Do the= y still use the curvaceous models to advertise them in the back pages of me= n's magazines? Cheers,=C2=A0 Bruce =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000 From: James_ To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... Hi all? First?.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away?.seriously?even= after 22 years of my entire adult life. I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey= 's?and I gather he does very high end work?.and accustom to people with dee= p pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best a= pproach to have work done 100% thorough and correct. First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re= place.First overwhelming thought?body of the car? ugh. Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld= ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in= ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur= e if anyone is interested) So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair= ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money= . a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for = a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars = will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about = that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can= find a car that comes close to showroom condition!!! I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm?.what = else? ?I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with th= e rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the dang th= ing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy?mercy?no more?make i= t stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again?.I mean, wh= at's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and=C2=A0 I know the history of THIS = car. Or:another option?.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repair= ed and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good weldin= g job but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know?you get= what you pay for.=20 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever= ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte= d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor= e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha= lf kidding?.) Oh, one more thing?.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to= Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty = being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?"= "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them= on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the parts I= buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm?.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.Re= ally? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. I suspect all this is because his DA= D is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.=20 I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a= s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments?is S= ilicone THAT bad/poorly rated? Well, any advice or words of comfort? James 1976 TR6=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 21:22:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Dale To: James_ , "6pack@autox.team.net" =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... Message-ID: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <1941260026.8321813.1433884932990.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.ya= hoo.com> James The man is correct that it is best to raise the body? to weld the repair pa= nels, but it can be done one at a time with the body still on the frame. Us= e the new floor pan as a guide to cut out the old panel. Make sure the new = panel fits. Have a welder that will travel to your location and tack it in.= It does not need to be fully welded at one time. Do each panel this way th= at needs to be replaced. One thing, do bolt a bar to the A an B post so the= door alignment is not lost. Once all the panels are in place the body can be raise a couple feet off th= e frame to do any needed welding from underneath. If you get a really good = welder he may be able to get deep penetration from the top and fore go the = need to raise the body. There are welders that work for structural companie= s that travel all the time check your local listings.? For safety, remove the gas tank and put it outside or someplace away from t= he car. If you are a member of the 6 pack club check out some of the basket cases o= thers have brought back on there own.=20 There is always more than one way to thread a needle. Don't lose hope.?? Da= le =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... =C2=A0=20
Yea, (haha) I'd just like to find anything that will "sort o= f" fit the TR6 seats. VB actually sells a pretty nice canvas cover for the S= pitfire. A buddy has a pair and let me borrow one to test sit, but it just d= oesn't fit the TR6 seat. Spitfire seat bottoms are wide and square compared t= o TR6 seat's round(ish) bottoms. 

Anything else I ca= n find look like they'll be way too big. If I start doing my seats the right= way I know I'll spend $1000+. I might give those VB sheepskin's a try. Need= to check the return policy. 

Anybody??
<= div>
thanks,
Sloane :o)

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 17:37:12 +0000
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] sheepskin cover= s
From: 6pack@autox.team.net<= br>
Wow, sheepskin covers, I= haven't thought about these in years.   Do they still use the curvaceo= us models to advertise them in the back pages of men's magazines?

Cheers,  Bruce


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= --Apple-Mail-FF186108-2B4E-4647-8277-A5AF81FAB184-- --===============2787287696842709179== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============2787287696842709179==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 06:34:39 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D950525855DC for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com (st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com [17.172.109.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E15258486E for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.56] (c-50-155-116-88.hsd1.ga.comcast.net [50.155.116.88]) by st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NPQ00N6JAWB1210@st11p05im-asmtp001.me.com> for 6pack@autox.team.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:33:49 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-06-10_10:2015-06-10,2015-06-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1506100210 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 08:33:47 -0400 References: To: James_ Cc: 6-Pack Email List <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: Ashford Little via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5471786433849446303== boundary="Apple-Mail=_3FE70E19-4C2A-442F-9AB9-0284BA78317F" --Apple-Mail=_3FE70E19-4C2A-442F-9AB9-0284BA78317F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 Thank you James for posing an interesting conundrum, and one that = probably more than a few of us have gone through=85 or will. I can=92t = answer your question, but that doesn=92t mean I won=92t chip in. So, = I=92ll relay a short story in hopes it might help you. A dozen or so = years ago I bought a TR6. It wasn=92t perfect, nor was it represented = to be, but as I began to explore things, I noticed that there were some = issues that weren=92t quite to my liking. On the rare occasion I drove = my car and I hit nature=92s wet stuff falling from the sky (yes I=92m = guilty of driving my car) I noticed that the driver=92s side carpet was = frequently wet. One day I decided to figure out what the exact cause of = the leakage was. In an LBC, leakage is a common occurrence, so it could = be coming from a variety of place. My first though was a couple of = holes in the firewall where the rubber grommets were worn out. Maybe, = but not really. Soon thereafter I was cleaning some gunk off of the = driver=92s side floorpan with a large screwdriver when it went a bit = further than I thought it could=85 straight into the area of the inner = fender. I soon discovered an amoeba shaped hole in the floorpan. I = became upset and depressed. Then I decided that I really liked driving = my car and a little fiberglass could remedy the situation until I did my = frame-off restoration. =20 Then there is the recognition that our cars are for our enjoyment, and = that=92s worth something. So, if you are willing to have some quality = work done and a fair price and the end result would be a car you could = continue to enjoy for a long time to come, then you might consider going = ahead and doing it. In the grand scheme of things, it wouldn=92t be that = big of a price to pay. =20 In other words, who says you can=92t buy happiness, especially when it = comes with a deep throaty roar. Ashford Little ralittle2@mac.com > On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:42 PM, James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> = wrote: >=20 > Hi all=85 >=20 > First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk = away=85.seriously=85even after 22 years of my entire adult life. >=20 > I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin = Healey's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to = people with deep pockets. > So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best = approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct. >=20 > First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame = to replace. > First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh. >=20 > Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and = welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has > eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box = too. > (I can send a picture if anyone is interested) >=20 > So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels = repaired and powder coated. > Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money = and the rest of the year. > Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car = that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is = worth. > I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust = bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to = showroom condition!!! >=20 > I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / = hmmmm=85.what else=85 >=20 > =85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live = with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it. > or: > Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that = "mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it stop" stage. > - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's = the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car. >=20 > Or: > another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas = repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really = good welding job=20 > but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you = get what you pay for.=20 >=20 > This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and = everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay = painted. > At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth = more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed! > (only half kidding=85.) >=20 >=20 > Oh, one more thing=85. > this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake = fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided = if I use it. > I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like = there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am = the warranty department! > He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. = hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls the parts. > Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20 > I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just = follows what his dad hates.=20 >=20 > I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 = Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's = comments=85is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? >=20 > Well, any advice or words of comfort? >=20 > James >=20 > 1976 TR6=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >=20 > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/ralittle2@mac.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3FE70E19-4C2A-442F-9AB9-0284BA78317F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 Thank you James for posing an interesting conundrum, and one = that probably more than a few of us have gone through=85 or will. =  I can=92t answer your question, but that doesn=92t mean I won=92t = chip in.  So, I=92ll relay a short story in hopes it might help = you.  A dozen or so years ago I bought a TR6.  It wasn=92t = perfect, nor was it represented to be, but as I began to explore things, = I noticed that there were some issues that weren=92t quite to my liking. =  On the rare occasion I drove my car and I hit nature=92s wet stuff = falling from the sky (yes I=92m guilty of driving my car) I noticed that = the driver=92s side carpet was frequently wet.  One day I decided = to figure out what the exact cause of the leakage was.  In an LBC, = leakage is a common occurrence, so it could be coming from a variety of = place.  My first though was a couple of holes in the firewall where = the rubber grommets were worn out.  Maybe, but not really. =  Soon thereafter I was cleaning some gunk off of the driver=92s = side floorpan with a large screwdriver when it went a bit further than I = thought it could=85 straight into the area of the inner fender.  I = soon discovered an amoeba shaped hole in the floorpan.  I became = upset and depressed.  Then I decided that I really liked driving my = car and a little fiberglass could remedy the situation until I did my = frame-off restoration.  

Then there is the recognition that our cars are for our = enjoyment, and that=92s worth something.  So, if you are willing to = have some quality work done and a fair price and the end result would be = a car you could continue to enjoy for a long time to come, then you = might consider going ahead and doing it. In the grand scheme of things, = it wouldn=92t be that big of a price to pay.  

In other words, who says = you can=92t buy happiness, especially when it comes with a deep throaty = roar.

Ashford Little
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On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:42 PM, James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi = all=85

First=85.I am so = depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=85even after = 22 years of my entire adult life.

I just met and got a quote from a guy = that generally works on Austin Healey's=85and I gather he does very high = end work=85.and accustom to people with deep pockets.
So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the = best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I was told floor = pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.

Second: I have a few bad = spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under = the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the = inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)

So the guy was really = wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder = coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to = time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I = love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more = than a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture = about that. But...my rust is = not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom = condition!!!

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad = / hmmmm=85.what else=85

=85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it = and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive = it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk = away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it = stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy = a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and =  I know the history of = THIS car.

Or:
another option=85.(my original = desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards = installed by someone that does a really good welding job 
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you = get what you pay for. 

This = winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and = everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay = painted.
At this point, I may as well sell off all = the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. = And everything is removed!
(only half = kidding=85.)

Oh, one more thing=85.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to = Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about = warranty being voided if I use it.
I looked at him = and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership = I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty = department!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts = I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls the = parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake = fluid. 
I suspect all this is because his DAD = is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad = hates. 

I = was recently curious why auto stores = don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now = with this restoration guy's comments=85is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?

Well, any advice or = words of comfort?

James

1976 TR6 

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= --Apple-Mail=_3FE70E19-4C2A-442F-9AB9-0284BA78317F-- --===============5471786433849446303== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5471786433849446303==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 06:37:22 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43232585866 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm48-vm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm48-vm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.121.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC2D25849E1 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:37:01 -0600 (MDT) t=1433939826; bh=PAPy2Z25GpZmfKgchTK5DzlsyWdzr93yQOpOorODtUY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=WufOEMrw4zHKwVIoPaczsMBQw9HPo44S6JQNj4lP670nUWor1u/rYamdBx1g2s1SztcsvGTVMQKLI+Xwowt8xgRQyqSztQyj4reh60ONjoFxAnU7yQucuHV1a3JC1p7UftJGUJnzwDeC987MtFfxhG8/ligQALfW4q10C2u54F+x6hIcA6u0ROBm3dq3+VUJp2K34KRdrxrjoIkyz+E88WE8yRUY+RlMHzThSRFVBup+mlbgfJyD/eX5GzOP3vmETYfO8aoeNQ8yQj6t0WIMygAnDgby5O73Si/sX57ongkPzmO9eIh1E4GnQaukqCvkdDocqFzaAAluq9E+/2fJZw== Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm48.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2015 12:37:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm48.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2015 12:34:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2015 12:34:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2015 12:34:23 -0000 yDChH4CStQnKFW_Jg087VmH7cu3vVndwOmwiBkLzE47Hor4wS9.a8lFqudvzPpAwQrUjjqAsQBCs myp7Md9dzV7DTyjAIcDjktiWkQP1xRKoiyNhY_od66CFQd.qLVe1JRJg9xYHe7M_QPnOPAfmoDoq 6I4bM0KKWQDdApKoPnCBP.oaiO4HL.vZxuQV6AuUuVNyNxZUuwAaoIIclrHiJSj.B4VSBQqCxW07 XwM0Yk.6_Kf1m0o2xE.N7cdohEtXjDLev6p8RokGNLk7C5EL0oVD3JA4T4XpInn3KWshBb.tdwCP QTgzk6o_1uiBD07FCLobmRT3flPOgSOBKmf9dcReXrJqMTgMYiLRg0d1fs9UejDH6AjnZInyW4ZZ HWXf5HC9NtOb4m4UzajMPIFXVR8M8cCBjaIMFX0mlmebDntu_LtWB0GhfmVuFyRWwf391y9TeK99 U.mdlx_8JjDQ6dmraTlSe1svgHYU- Received: by 98.138.101.161; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:34:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:34:16 +0000 (UTC) To: alan salvatore , James_ References: Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: robert rudolphi via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8139383569949562840== boundary="----=_Part_175650_331477566.1433939656153" ------=_Part_175650_331477566.1433939656153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will not comment on the rust... but I have been running silicon for over = 20 years and had no issues. when i first switched over i completely rebuilt= everything including new stainless brake lines. I am also running silicon = in the clutch. Did have to replace the master cylinder about 5 years back, = but I see no difference at all and had no unusual problems. I even used to = autocross a couple of times a year. Robert=C2=A074TR6 From: alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: James_ =20 Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... =20 If the outer edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut and patch in a= new floor pan. If not then tub off. If inner rocker is bad, tub off. Depends on where the bad area is. I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and = the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took= the body off. I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner f= ender. I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last= 15 years. AlOn Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: Hi all=E2=80=A6 First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80= =A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life. I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey= 's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to= people with deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is pro= bably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct. First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re= place.First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh. Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld= ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in= ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur= e if anyone is interested) So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair= ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money= . a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for = a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars = will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about = that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can= =C2=A0find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!! I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80= =A6.what else=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live= with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the= dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6merc= y=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring mysel= f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awf= ul and =C2=A0I know the history of THIS car. Or:another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the area= s repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really goo= d welding job=C2=A0but not nearly as intense of a procedure=C2=A0or expensi= ve. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=C2=A0 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever= ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte= d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor= e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha= lf kidding=E2=80=A6.) Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit= ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w= arranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty i= s that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I = put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the= parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone fa= lls the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0I suspect all t= his is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad= hates.=C2=A0 I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silic= one as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments= =E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? Well, any advice or words of comfort? James 1976 TR6=C2=A0 =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack mail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack phi@yahoo.com ------=_Part_175650_331477566.1433939656153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will not comment on the rust...= but I have been running silicon for over 20 years and had no issues. when = i first switched over i completely rebuilt everything including new stainle= ss brake lines. I am also running silicon in the clutch. Did have to replac= e the master cylinder about 5 years back, but I see no difference at all an= d had no unusual problems. I even used to autocross a couple of times a yea= r.

Robert 
74TR6

From:<= /span> alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: James_ <jattr6@hotmail.co= m>
Cc: 6pack@autox.= team.net
Sent: Tuesda= y, June 9, 2015 6:40 PM
Subject:<= /span> Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...

If the ou= ter edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut and patch in a new floo= r pan.
If not then tub off.
If inner rocker is bad, tub off.
Depends on where the bad area is.
I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and = the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took= the body off.
I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner f= ender.
I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last= 15 years.
Al
On Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi all=E2=80=A6

First=E2=80=A6.I am= so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80= =A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.

I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally w= orks on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2= =80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pockets.
So that was prob= ably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have work done = 100% thorough and correct.

First: I= was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.

Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that = need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder a= nd rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affe= cts the pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interes= ted)

So the guy was really wanting = the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money an= d the rest of the year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. y= ikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALW= AYS cost more than a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture abo= ut that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucke= t' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom condition!!!

I guess I am so depressed / disa= ppointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6
=
=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One= option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to g= ather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "me= rcy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
- = I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the= point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I k= now the history of THIS car.

Or:
another option= =E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and ne= w floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding job&nbs= p;
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay = for. 

This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it= out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engi= ne bay painted.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PAR= TS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everyt= hing is removed!
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)


Oh, one more thing=E2= =80=A6.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to S= ilicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty be= ing voided if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty = is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I= put them on." I am the warranty department!
He mentioned the war= ranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the= silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake flui= d. 
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicon= e and he just follows what his dad hates. 

I was recently curious why auto stores d= on't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with t= his restoration guy's comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone = THAT bad/poorly rated?

Well,= any advice or words of comfort?

Ja= mes

1976 TR6 

=09=09 =09 =09=09

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------=_Part_175650_331477566.1433939656153-- --===============8139383569949562840== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============8139383569949562840==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 08:23:49 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B35E2586A79 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 08:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC2E258065B for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 08:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id eePM1q00j5SgtPc01ePNHZ; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 07:23:22 -0700 To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <288520057.9872983.1433871432884.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:21:29 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [6pack] sheepskin covers From: dave n via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5450806546294398807== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01D0A35E.D53136D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01D0A35E.D53136D0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what year and model porsche? From: Bud Rolofson via 6pack=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 9:56 PM To: im sloane=20 Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] sheepskin covers The very first thing I did to my TR6 in 1997 was to put sheepskin covers = on the perfectly good seats because it was July and I could not pivot on = the vinyl seat to get out. Porsche seat covers fit the 69 TR6 seats = perfectly and have lasted 18 years, still look good and make cross = country trips in the summer more comfortable. They really are cooler in = summer and warmer in cooler weather. Best of both worlds. Bud ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01D0A35E.D53136D0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what year and model porsche?
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] sheepskin covers
 
The very first thing I did to my TR6 in 1997 was to put sheepskin = covers on=20 the perfectly good seats because it was July and I could not pivot on = the vinyl=20 seat to get out. Porsche seat covers fit the 69 TR6 seats perfectly and = have=20 lasted 18 years, still look good and make cross country trips in the = summer more=20 comfortable. They really are cooler in summer and warmer in cooler = weather. Best=20 of both worlds.
Bud
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Hi = all=E2=80=A6

First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - = I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 y= ears of my entire adult life.

I just m= et and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80= =A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people = with deep pockets.
So tha= t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have = work done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I= was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
First overwhelming thought= =E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.

Second: I have= a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse = is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects t= he pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)<= /div>

So the guy= was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and pow= der coated.
Sounds awesom= e. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of t= he year.
Roughly, looking= at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know re= pairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. B= ut...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close= to showroom condition!!!

I guess I am so d= epressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2= =80=A6

=E2= =80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live wi= th the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached = that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, wh= at's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the history of THIS car.

Or:
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) = is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone tha= t does a really good welding job 
but not nearly as intense = of a procedure or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for. 

This winter: I removed everything from th= e engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the ru= st was fixed and engine bay painted.
At this point, I may as well= sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at t= his point. And everything is removed!
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6= .)


Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
this guy is DEAD set against= my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against = and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.
I looked at = him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership= I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm= =E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? M= oss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. 
I suspect all this is becau= se his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates. = ;

I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to ca= rry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration= guy's comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?

Well, any advice or words of comfort?

James

1976 TR6 

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From: J B via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4876235374196060507== boundary="----=_Part_500631_1748313089.1433956449904" ------=_Part_500631_1748313089.1433956449904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great question about the floors that I am also contemplating. I like seeing= all the responses to the questions.=C2=A0 I did not know the answer but I found a good answer online that matched oth= er responses from (I have no link/business to them) :=C2=A0www.muskegonbrak= e.com =C2=A0Converting to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which sh= ould be considered before making the transition.. To start with, there are = a few very good reasons to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid:=C2=A0 =20 - =C2=A0Silicone fluid is non-hydroscopic (it doesn=E2=80=99t attract or= absorb water) - =C2=A0It will not ruin paint (glycol fluid will remove paint) - =C2=A0Silicone brake fluid has a higher dry boiling point than DOT3 an= d DOT4 fluid, providing better, more rugged performance under pressure - =C2=A0Silicone is a full synthetic fluid with superior lubrication pro= perties for the pistons in the braking system (reduces wear on the seals an= d pistons) =C2=A0As great as all this sounds, there are a few drawbacks as well:=C2=A0= =20 - Silicone brake fluid does not mix with water, so any water that enters= the system will travel to the lowest point (low point in caliper ore line) - It will not mix with glycol based DOT3, DOT4, or DOT5.1 fluids (can cr= eate a gel, damaging braking system if mixed) - Silicone brake fluid cannot be used in ABS braking systems =C2=A0These drawbacks should be taken into consideration before you switch,= to make sure that a) your auto's braking system is up for the conversion, = and b) the conversion to silicone brake fluid is done properly to ensure no= damage is done to the vehicle.=C2=A0The best time to convert to silicone b= rake fluid is when you are replacing the major brake system components, esp= ecially the master cylinder and calipers. =C2=A0Installing our Super Brake = Kit is a great example. With the Super Brake Kit, you will replace all four= calipers, rubber hoses, and the master cylinder, removing all brake fluid = from the system and allowing for an easy conversion.=C2=A0When pouring sili= cone brake fluid, do so slowly. =C2=A0DOT5 fluid has the ability to become = aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly it can develop small = bubbles. =C2=A0Pouring slowly to minimize splashing is best. Similarly, it = has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of DOT5 the day before you pl= an to work on the vehicle, it will allow any trapped air bubbles to rise to= the top and dissipate.=C2=A0When bleeding the brakes, use nice, even strok= es to minimize the cavitation, which can create air bubbles. Alternatively,= gravity bleeding is another way to reduce the amount of air bubbles in the= system.=C2=A0Hope this helps. JBLong live team 6pack!=20 On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:25 AM, Jim Jones via 6pack <6pack@autox.= team.net> wrote: =20 James: These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case for = the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively speak= ing, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away from = him - no run! I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain sight = when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel beneath th= e battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had to m= ake a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the other work I did on th= e car it was NOT an item that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I was fac= ed with doing that same repair I probably would have done the same thing. What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise happy = with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that ma= kes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by future o= wners. PS - Silicone fluid is just fantastic!=C2=A0 Jim Jones From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... =20 #yiv5169001218 #yiv5169001218 -- .yiv5169001218hmmessage P{margin:0px;paddi= ng:0px;}#yiv5169001218 body.yiv5169001218hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-fami= ly:Calibri;}#yiv5169001218 Hi all=E2=80=A6 First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80= =A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life. I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey= 's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to= people with deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is pro= bably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct. First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re= place.First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh. Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld= ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in= ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur= e if anyone is interested) So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair= ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money= . a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for = a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars = will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about = that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can= =C2=A0find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!! I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80= =A6.what else=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live= with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the= dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6merc= y=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring mysel= f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awf= ul and =C2=A0I know the history of THIS car. Or:another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the area= s repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really goo= d welding job=C2=A0but not nearly as intense of a procedure=C2=A0or expensi= ve. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=C2=A0 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever= ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte= d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor= e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha= lf kidding=E2=80=A6.) Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit= ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w= arranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty i= s that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I = put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the= parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone fa= lls the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0I suspect all t= his is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad= hates.=C2=A0 I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silic= one as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments= =E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? Well, any advice or words of comfort? James 1976 TR6=C2=A0 =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack oo.com =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ahoo.com ------=_Part_500631_1748313089.1433956449904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great question about the floors t= hat I am also contemplating. I like seeing all the responses to the questio= ns. 

I did not know the a= nswer but I found a good answer online that matched other responses from (I= have no link/business to them) : www.muskegonbrake.com

 Convertin= g to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which should be conside= red before making the transition.. To start with, there are a few very good= reasons to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid:
 
  •  Silicone fl= uid is non-hydroscopic (it doesn=E2=80=99t attract or absorb water)
    •  It will not ruin paint (glycol = fluid will remove paint)
  •  S= ilicone brake fluid has a higher dry boiling point than DOT3 and DOT4 fluid= , providing better, more rugged performance under pressure
  •  Silicone is a full synthetic fluid with su= perior lubrication properties for the pistons in the braking system (reduce= s wear on the seals and pistons)
 
As great as all this sounds, there are a few d= rawbacks as well:
 
  • Silicone brake fluid does not mix with water, so = any water that enters the system will travel to the lowest point (low point= in caliper ore line)
  • It will no= t mix with glycol based DOT3, DOT4, or DOT5.1 fluids (can create a gel, dam= aging braking system if mixed)
  • S= ilicone brake fluid cannot be used in ABS braking systems
 
These drawbacks shoul= d be taken into consideration before you switch, to make sure that a) your = auto's braking system is up for the conversion, and b) the conversion to si= licone brake fluid is done properly to ensure no damage is done to the vehi= cle.
 
The= best time to convert to silicone brake fluid is when you are replacing the= major brake system components, especially the master cylinder and calipers= .  Installing our Super Brake Kit is a great example. With the Super B= rake Kit, you will replace all four calipers, rubber hoses, and the master = cylinder, removing all brake fluid from the system and allowing for an easy= conversion.
 
When pouring silicone brake fluid, do so slowly.  DOT5 fluid has = the ability to become aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly= it can develop small bubbles.  Pouring slowly to minimize splashing i= s best. Similarly, it has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of DOT5= the day before you plan to work on the vehicle, it will allow any trapped = air bubbles to rise to the top and dissipate.
 
When bleeding the brakes, use nice, e= ven strokes to minimize the cavitation, which can create air bubbles. Alter= natively, gravity bleeding is another way to reduce the amount of air bubbl= es in the system.
 
Hope this helps.

JB
Long live team 6pack= !



On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:25 AM= , Jim Jones via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

<= div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, He= lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">=
James:

These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case fo= r the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively spe= aking, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away fro= m him - no run!

I had a moment of truth= like that with my car. It was there in plain sight when I drove 700 miles = to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel beneath the battery. It was not e= xactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had to make a decision then, bu= t I did buy it. After all the other work I did on the car it was NOT an ite= m that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I was faced with doing that same= repair I probably would have done the same thing.

What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and ar= e otherwise happy with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in wh= atever way that makes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be r= e-done by future owners.

PS - Silicone fluid is just fa= ntastic!
 
Jim Jones


From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.te= am.net>
To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, = 2015 3:42 PM
Subjec= t: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...

Hi all=E2=80=A6

First=E2=80=A6.I = am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80= =A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.

I just met and got a quo= te from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather = he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pocket= s.
So that w= as probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have wor= k done 100% thorough and correct.

First: I was told floor pans require the car = body to be off the frame to replace.
First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car= ? ugh.

Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and w= elded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and = outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.
(I can send a pic= ture if anyone is interested)

So the guy was really wanti= ng the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.
=
Sounds awesome. B= ut it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the y= ear.
Roughly= , looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. = I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.
<= div id=3D"yiv5169001218yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24489">I know that. Don't= lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any = means. And for $20K I can find = a car that comes close to showroom condition!!!

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed /= overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6

= =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live= with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I f= inally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it st= op" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2= =80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the history of THIS car.

Or:
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is= to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that = does a really good welding job 
but not nearly as intense of= a procedure or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for. 

This winter: I removed every= thing from the engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back i= n once the rust was fixed and engine bay painted.
At this point, = I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as= a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
(only half kid= ding=E2=80=A6.)


=
Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit= ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w= arranty being voided if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What= Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I bu= y parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!
He mention= ed the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void= it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone = brake fluid. 
I suspect all this is because his DAD is again= st Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates. 

I was recently curiou= s why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other = types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone T= HAT bad/poorly rated?

Well, any advice or words of comfort?

James
=
1976 TR6 

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------=_Part_500631_1748313089.1433956449904-- --===============4876235374196060507== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============4876235374196060507==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 14:06:46 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD40A2584A6F for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S9.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s9.hotmail.com [65.55.111.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658AA2580035 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU179-W88 ([65.55.111.136]) by BLU004-OMC4S9.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 10 Jun 2015 12:59:16 -0700 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:59:16 +0000 Importance: Normal References: <198468145.321855.1433946323789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <1901644170.500632.1433956449926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[EE55FDE0:01D0A3B7] Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8850846024150166818== boundary="_6b236e1a-5208-4628-961d-5b03e422eaa6_" --_6b236e1a-5208-4628-961d-5b03e422eaa6_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks everyone for the great words and advice. I want a good job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with all t= hese rusted out sections=2C i need to repair them first. I am totally tempted to go out=2C buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and LE= ARN to weld!Seriously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer= =2C but there will be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find fri= ends of friendsinstruct me.I would not do the floor pans but at least the f= lat sections needing repair. One area is on the firewall near the commissio= n plates . probably a 1"x5" section. So most sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner sect= ion directly under the fuse box=2C master cylinder area.Which leads me to t= his: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender and wheel arch that I = can extract this crazy multi-sidedsection. I simply cut out the bad and hav= e someone weld in the good replacement. saves fabricating from scratch. or = do it myself.=20 Anyone have a good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender sec= tions?Ideally here in Oregon=2C but willing to pay for shipping. Be even ni= cer if someone has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good par= t that is intact. Thanks. James = --_6b236e1a-5208-4628-961d-5b03e422eaa6_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks everyone for the great wo= rds and advice.

I want a good job and get her on the ro= ad so i can drive it. but with all these rusted out sections=2C i need to r= epair them first.

I am totally tempted to go= out=2C buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and LEARN to weld!
Ser= iously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer=2C but there wil= l be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find friends of friends
instruct me.
I would not do the floor pans but at least = the flat sections needing repair. One area is on the firewall =3B
=
near the commission plates . =3Bprobably a 1"x5" section.

So most sections= I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner section directly und= er the fuse box=2C master cylinder area.
Which leads me to this: = If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender and wheel arch that I can e= xtract this crazy multi-sided
section. I simply cut out the bad a= nd have someone weld in the good replacement. saves fabricating from scratc= h. or do it myself. =3B

Anyone have a good sou= rce to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender sections?
Ideal= ly here in Oregon=2C but willing to pay for shipping. Be even nicer if some= one has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good part that is i= ntact.

Thanks.

James

= --_6b236e1a-5208-4628-961d-5b03e422eaa6_-- --===============8850846024150166818== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============8850846024150166818==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 10 15:53:08 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4991C2587AC3 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2479D258518D for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:50:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id elqy1q0045SgtPc01lqzaw; Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:51:00 -0700 To: <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <198468145.321855.1433946323789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1901644170.500632.1433956449926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:45:48 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: dave n via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6151997870106338789== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01D0A39C.E7479C40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01D0A39C.E7479C40 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry to be the overly precise one here. the word is HYGROSCOPIC, not = hydroscopic. hydroscopic refers to a hydroscope. yes, its wrong on their web site. we should all call them and tell them = of their mistake! their phone number is 800-442-0335. they are closed = now, so first thing in the morning . . . when pouring, use a large screwdriver or anything flat and long to = prevent air bubbles. From: J B via 6pack=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:14 PM To: Jim Jones ; James_ ; 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... Great question about the floors that I am also contemplating. I like = seeing all the responses to the questions.=20 I did not know the answer but I found a good answer online that matched = other responses from (I have no link/business to them) : = www.muskegonbrake.com Converting to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which = should be considered before making the transition.. To start with, there = are a few very good reasons to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid: a.. Silicone fluid is non-hydroscopic (it doesn=E2=80=99t attract or = absorb water)=20 b.. It will not ruin paint (glycol fluid will remove paint)=20 c.. Silicone brake fluid has a higher dry boiling point than DOT3 and = DOT4 fluid, providing better, more rugged performance under pressure=20 d.. Silicone is a full synthetic fluid with superior lubrication = properties for the pistons in the braking system (reduces wear on the = seals and pistons) As great as all this sounds, there are a few drawbacks as well: a.. Silicone brake fluid does not mix with water, so any water that = enters the system will travel to the lowest point (low point in caliper = ore line)=20 b.. It will not mix with glycol based DOT3, DOT4, or DOT5.1 fluids = (can create a gel, damaging braking system if mixed)=20 c.. Silicone brake fluid cannot be used in ABS braking systems These drawbacks should be taken into consideration before you switch, to = make sure that a) your auto's braking system is up for the conversion, = and b) the conversion to silicone brake fluid is done properly to ensure = no damage is done to the vehicle. The best time to convert to silicone brake fluid is when you are = replacing the major brake system components, especially the master = cylinder and calipers. Installing our Super Brake Kit is a great = example. With the Super Brake Kit, you will replace all four calipers, = rubber hoses, and the master cylinder, removing all brake fluid from the = system and allowing for an easy conversion. When pouring silicone brake fluid, do so slowly. DOT5 fluid has the = ability to become aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly = it can develop small bubbles. Pouring slowly to minimize splashing is = best. Similarly, it has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of = DOT5 the day before you plan to work on the vehicle, it will allow any = trapped air bubbles to rise to the top and dissipate. When bleeding the brakes, use nice, even strokes to minimize the = cavitation, which can create air bubbles. Alternatively, gravity = bleeding is another way to reduce the amount of air bubbles in the = system. Hope this helps. JB Long live team 6pack! On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:25 AM, Jim Jones via 6pack = <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: James: These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case = for the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. = Objectively speaking, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I = would walk away from him - no run! I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain = sight when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel = beneath the battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was = solid. I had to make a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the = other work I did on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused me = concern. Frankly, if I was faced with doing that same repair I probably = would have done the same thing. What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise = happy with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever = way that makes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be = re-done by future owners. PS - Silicone fluid is just fantastic! =20 Jim Jones=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... Hi all=E2=80=A6 First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk = away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult = life. I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin = Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and = accustom to people with deep pockets. So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach = to have work done 100% thorough and correct. First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to = replace. First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh. Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and = welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box = too. (I can send a picture if anyone is interested) So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels = repaired and powder coated. Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money = and the rest of the year. Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car = that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is = worth. I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust = bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to = showroom condition!!! I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / = hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and = live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it. or: Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that = "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage. - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, = what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS = car. Or: another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the = areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a = really good welding job=20 but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I = know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=20 This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and = everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay = painted. At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth = more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed! (only half kidding=E2=80=A6.) Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6. this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake = fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided = if I use it. I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there = is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the = warranty department! He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. = hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts. Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20 I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just = follows what his dad hates.=20 I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 = Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's = comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated? Well, any advice or words of comfort? James 1976 TR6=20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/jimjcmo@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/jb_2email@yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave@ranteer.com ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01D0A39C.E7479C40 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry to be the overly precise one here.  the word is = HYGROSCOPIC, not=20 hydroscopic.  hydroscopic refers to a hydroscope.
 
yes, its wrong on their web site.  we should all call them and = tell=20 them of their mistake!  their phone number is 800-442-0335.  = they are=20 closed now, so first thing in the morning . . .
 
when pouring, use a large screwdriver or anything flat and long to = prevent=20 air bubbles.
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair=20 quote...
 
Great question about the floors = that I am=20 also contemplating. I like seeing all the responses to the questions.=20

I did not know the answer but I = found a good=20 answer online that matched other responses from (I have no link/business = to=20 them) : www.muskegonbrake.com

Converting=20 to silicone brake fluid has pros and cons, all of which should be = considered=20 before making the transition.. To start with, there are a few very good = reasons=20 to convert to DOT5 silicone brake fluid:
 
  • Silicone=20 fluid is non-hydroscopic (it doesn=E2=80=99t attract or absorb water)=20
  • It=20 will not ruin paint (glycol fluid will remove paint)=20
  • Silicone=20 brake fluid has a higher dry boiling point than DOT3 and DOT4 fluid, = providing=20 better, more rugged performance under pressure=20
  • Silicone=20 is a full synthetic fluid with superior lubrication properties for the = pistons=20 in the braking system (reduces wear on the seals and = pistons)
 
As=20 great as all this sounds, there are a few drawbacks as well:
 
  • Silicone=20 brake fluid does not mix with water, so any water that enters the = system will=20 travel to the lowest point (low point in caliper ore line)=20
  • It=20 will not mix with glycol based DOT3, DOT4, or DOT5.1 fluids (can = create a gel,=20 damaging braking system if mixed)=20
  • Silicone=20 brake fluid cannot be used in ABS braking systems
 
These=20 drawbacks should be taken into consideration before you switch, to make = sure=20 that a) your auto's braking system is up for the conversion, and b) the=20 conversion to silicone brake fluid is done properly to ensure no damage = is done=20 to the vehicle.
 
The=20 best time to convert to silicone brake fluid is when you are replacing = the major=20 brake system components, especially the master cylinder and = calipers. =20 Installing our Super Brake Kit is a great example. With the Super Brake = Kit, you=20 will replace all four calipers, rubber hoses, and the master cylinder, = removing=20 all brake fluid from the system and allowing for an easy = conversion.
 
When=20 pouring silicone brake fluid, do so slowly.  DOT5 fluid has the = ability to=20 become aerated easily, which means that when handled quickly it can = develop=20 small bubbles.  Pouring slowly to minimize splashing is best. = Similarly, it=20 has been suggested that if you uncap a bottle of DOT5 the day before you = plan to=20 work on the vehicle, it will allow any trapped air bubbles to rise to = the top=20 and dissipate.
 
When=20 bleeding the brakes, use nice, even strokes to minimize the cavitation, = which=20 can create air bubbles. Alternatively, gravity bleeding is another way = to reduce=20 the amount of air bubbles in the system.
 
Hope this helps.

JB
Long live team 6pack!
 


On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 = 9:25 AM, Jim=20 Jones via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> = wrote:


James:
These = are not=20 particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case for the kind of = repair=20 this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively speaking, this guy is = so=20 stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away from him - no = run!
 
I had a moment of = truth like=20 that with my car. It was there in plain sight when I drove 700 miles to = buy it -=20 fiberglass patch on the panel beneath the battery. It was not exactly = pristine=20 correct but it was solid. I had to make a decision then, but I did buy = it. After=20 all the other work I did on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused = me=20 concern. Frankly, if I was faced with doing that same repair I probably = would=20 have done the same thing.
What = I'm saying=20 here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise happy with it, save = yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that makes sense. = Like=20 paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by future owners.
 
PS - = Silicone=20 fluid is just fantastic!
 
Jim Jones
 
From: = James_ via 6pack=20 <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: "6pack@autox.team.net"=20 <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 = PMSubject: = [6pack]=20 Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
 
Hi = all=E2=80=A6
 
First=E2=80=A6.I am so=20 depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk = away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of=20 my entire adult life.
 
I just met and = got a quote=20 from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather = he does very=20 high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pockets.
So that was = probably my=20 mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have work done 100% = thorough=20 and correct.
 
First: I was = told floor=20 pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.
First = overwhelming=20 thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
 
Second: I have a = few bad=20 spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under = the=20 master cylinder and rust has
eaten through = the inner=20 and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)
 
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, = panels=20 repaired and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. = But it all=20 gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the = year.
Roughly, looking = at=20 $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know = repairing=20 old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.
I know that. = Don't lecture=20 about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. = And for=20 $20K I can find a car that comes close=20 to showroom condition!!!
 
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / = hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what=20 else=E2=80=A6
 
=E2=80=A6I am at = a loss as to what=20 to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the = car back=20 to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that=20 "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, = what's the=20 point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I = know the=20 history of THIS car.

Or:
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the = areas repaired=20 and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good = welding job=20
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or = expensive. I=20 know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for. =

This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out = and=20 everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay = painted.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be = worth more=20 they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)
 
 
Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
this guy is DEAD = set=20 against my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD = set=20 against and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like = there is=20 a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the = warranty=20 department!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. = hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They=20 void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he = just=20 follows what his dad hates.
 
I was recently = curious why=20 auto = stores don't=20 seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with = this=20 restoration guy's comments=E2=80=A6is Silicone = THAT=20 bad/poorly rated?
 
Well, any advice = or words=20 of comfort?
 
James
 
1976 TR6
 
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Saw a pretty green TR6 with top down heading south on US Route 1
a= bout 8:00 p,m tonight in Scarborough, ME. Was it anyone on this list?
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From: Larry Young via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I did a full body off restoration of my TR250 a couple of years ago. The floors were solid, but there was rust in one rocker and front fender and all along the seams of rear fenders to deck. Also, some poorly done body work in the past. We replaced the entire rear deck with one from a 4A and a couple of fenders. It was also media blasted to bare metal (be careful with this), so there was a substantial amount of body work. I did all the tear down to bare body shell on the rolling frame and did all the mechanical restoration and a small rust repair to the frame. The total cost of the body work and painting was about 10K (not counting the replacement panels), so your guy is not out of line. Since I also replaced all the vinyl and rubber parts and rebuilt the engine, the total cost was more than the car is now worth (a TR6 would be worth less). I do not regret it, because I bought the car new by European Delivery, so we have a lot of history. You can probably get it done for less as one of the other posts have stated, but if I were going to that trouble, I would do it all right and have it good for the rest of your life. If you plan to keep it that long. I can now drive the car anywhere and its gotten first place at the past three South Central Regionals. I just got back from driving it on a 1600 mile trip to the regionals in Kerrville, TX. Larry Young Tulsa, OK _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 10:57:59 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931892587BC2 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S17.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s17.hotmail.com [65.55.111.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60C525853FB for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU406-EAS341 ([65.55.111.135]) by BLU004-OMC4S17.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:57:58 -0700 References: <5579AEFC.3020500@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:28:19 -0700 To: Larry Young FILETIME=[C50F85E0:01D0A467] Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Larry. If I could get everything done that you had done for 10k I'd totally do it! For JUST two areas (small areas) that need steel welded in and all flat panels he said it'd be two weeks of work at $80. Which is $6,400! We are even at the floor pans yet. Which he refused to do w/o the body removed. Then he goes on to say about powder coating the engine bay and sand blasting and then goes on to fixing other rust. Now that I am stepping back and thinking... I know when I lived back east, in the country there was a guy that I used for body work and paint. He does mostly restorations. He would have done an amazing job and probably charged $1,500 for the rust repair. At the most. What really ticked me off was this guy said he wanted to look at the car and would be able to give a more accurate cost. But then when he got there and is telling me how long it would take him he follows up with 'well it is $80 an hour but I don't dealing with billing. My parents do that'. What? The whole reason was to get a damn close idea of what I could expect before taking to them and having the car held hostage. Very annoying. > On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:58 AM, "Larry Young via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > > I did a full body off restoration of my TR250 a couple of years ago. The floors were solid, but there was rust in one rocker and front fender and all along the seams of rear fenders to deck. Also, some poorly done body work in the past. We replaced the entire rear deck with one from a 4A and a couple of fenders. It was also media blasted to bare metal (be careful with this), so there was a substantial amount of body work. I did all the tear down to bare body shell on the rolling frame and did all the mechanical restoration and a small rust repair to the frame. The total cost of the body work and painting was about 10K (not counting the replacement panels), so your guy is not out of line. Since I also replaced all the vinyl and rubber parts and rebuilt the engine, the total cost was more than the car is now worth (a TR6 would be worth less). I do not regret it, because I bought the car new by European Delivery, so we have a lot of history. You can probably get it done for less as one of the other posts have stated, but if I were going to that trouble, I would do it all right and have it good for the rest of your life. If you plan to keep it that long. I can now drive the car anywhere and its gotten first place at the past three South Central Regionals. I just got back from driving it on a 1600 mile trip to the regionals in Kerrville, TX. > Larry Young > Tulsa, OK > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/jattr6@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 12:04:41 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19979258777C for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C5A258607D for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([70.122.243.61]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id f63t1q00B1LBsym01640M7; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:04:01 -0700 To: "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <5579AEFC.3020500@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:52:35 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: dave n via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I think "the car held hostage" pretty much sums it up. remember: don't negotiate with terrorists! -----Original Message----- From: James_ via 6pack Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:28 AM To: Larry Young Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... Hi Larry. If I could get everything done that you had done for 10k I'd totally do it! For JUST two areas (small areas) that need steel welded in and all flat panels he said it'd be two weeks of work at $80. Which is $6,400! We are even at the floor pans yet. Which he refused to do w/o the body removed. Then he goes on to say about powder coating the engine bay and sand blasting and then goes on to fixing other rust. Now that I am stepping back and thinking... I know when I lived back east, in the country there was a guy that I used for body work and paint. He does mostly restorations. He would have done an amazing job and probably charged $1,500 for the rust repair. At the most. What really ticked me off was this guy said he wanted to look at the car and would be able to give a more accurate cost. But then when he got there and is telling me how long it would take him he follows up with 'well it is $80 an hour but I don't dealing with billing. My parents do that'. What? The whole reason was to get a damn close idea of what I could expect before taking to them and having the car held hostage. Very annoying. _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 13:28:34 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286632586E9A for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7133C2584920 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:25:08 -0600 (MDT) t=1434050714; bh=dXucVLL/HN+uiSg8Vbhostx4XCsQXqEUHQGC6fo/oaw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=f8s0wGhFoB5TY185WbExI6rW2q0x4rWUMjVUj1a7qIFQBNm/L2Dl+Z7Xgy0NVHhjcQiNou3eSJVPnMsxMFHvAScfB6OQ78M6+ShEIeCoLvxJHwQhYBiG41zEQbsrV83jYBRnD1LlgVlztpL3ljY0Dz3HkBjGhB0wx8M+WCuFxGOvC/UD+wght5nBwenPJcmb+BMScn/Wx57/Cw9CNgoVjQZBN5fjYS5DZbOksUmyt785b2Z9bMRxLqmubVtVPomBAdWhFfU3ZUkEuZU9eI3Em6d3oX4qfzRR4a8bDrvWGWZLLXaMKBb8T4Jo+WClS4QoGlb9oPsT2WgNdCroWqDDTw== Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2015 19:25:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.159] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2015 19:25:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2015 19:25:13 -0000 oZ0jWqOop7dboAzCcUH5sjsLLoGo_94PgtGKwgXVBEfwqYt_SVx_8oR9zZim jntiaI162oQ7ubSCtk5BFAXyCeoLqI9yasetyve9WhKAOyie_njtlogDp8wa xpFfxCswepHeJyqF0gYv7FwFKElTqjDrhW0.UZ7k4hYckdG0iHCSHsw95UDs EDVc8uv10OJBmh90vr6kokfyVHmq84pXKzbukiTUHt9hrHvMsYeakM7iUkqe QxYu6tGP47PSLVx_dtV8yhIDybcNtY9v8XcuFd_EQ4fa_hxtCbXCcoep.mpo f1pWaWi0HwbMoBO2MM3IZ6METsEeMR4aVuyQYbakZSr83ZGpc2kLlqL..TyW pQKY636I31nFTiwzyUxjEdr4DHxdl5ChRCZd0xYqQHZwegBShH6zw7P1exEg JTGnOxbWfmIrmN0BnDWxA6kQosA1oPKxKuIoWabWCNibxn5aue6cOUznzRTp LH_uxYjpmNijDrU63_6CCZVHpYX9EG0CQbR6Q6EAL2A-- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:25:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: 6pack@autox.team.net References: <198468145.321855.1433946323789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <1901644170.500632.1433956449926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: Larry Young via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6702359512407975477== boundary="------------040906020505080202060803" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040906020505080202060803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, I did not do the rust repair on my TR250, but since I'm also a Model T guy, I have done my share. I agree with everyone that suggested patching. A good butt weld can't be distinguished from original metal and is just as strong. When I had the rockers repaired, I bought the replacement piece. Since it was just rusted at the front, the body guy suggested we just cut off the front part and weld it in, because he could not duplicate the original spot welds. I'd suggest you get a 110V MIG welder (Lincoln or Miller). They are cheaper and easier to use than a TIG, but you will have to do some grinding. If money is an issue, I have also used good old fashioned gas hammer welding. Here is an example of stuff I've done with my MIG - www.mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies. Oklahoma is 49th in education, but our Vo-Tech schools are excellent. I'd recommend that as a good way to learn. I should also mention that I did not set out to make my car a show car and do not drive it like one. I did want to keep it original, because back in the day, I didn't have the money to modify it. As far as costs go, you can figure about 1K for a careful media blast and probably 1K in paint and materials (base coat/clear coat). Its worth it, because modern catalyzed primer and paints are much better than original. I know the guy spent at least a couple of full weeks working on it. On top of those costs, I also stripped my frame and had it blasted and epoxy primed. I know you don't want to do all of this now, but if you have to take the body off, then ....... Larry Young On 6/10/2015 2:59 PM, James_ via 6pack wrote: > Thanks everyone for the great words and advice. > > I want a good job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with > all these rusted out sections, i need to repair them first. > not > I am totally tempted to go out, buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and > LEARN to weld! > Seriously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer, but > there will be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find > friends of friends > instruct me. > I would not do the floor pans but at least the flat sections needing > repair. One area is on the firewall > near the commission plates . probably a 1"x5" section. > > So most sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner > section directly under the fuse box, master cylinder area. > Which leads me to this: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner > fender and wheel arch that I can extract this crazy multi-sided > section. I simply cut out the bad and have someone weld in the good > replacement. saves fabricating from scratch. or do it myself. > > Anyone have a good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner > fender sections? > Ideally here in Oregon, but willing to pay for shipping. Be even nicer > if someone has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good > part that is intact. > > Thanks. > > James > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/cartravel@pobox.com > --------------040906020505080202060803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit James,
I did not do the rust repair on my TR250, but since I'm also a Model T guy, I have done my share.  I agree with everyone that suggested patching.  A good butt weld can't be distinguished from original metal and is just as strong.  When I had the rockers repaired, I bought the replacement piece.  Since it was just rusted at the front, the body guy suggested we just cut off the front part and weld it in, because he could not duplicate the original spot welds.  I'd suggest you get a 110V MIG welder (Lincoln or Miller).  They are cheaper and easier to use than a TIG, but you will have to do some grinding. If money is an issue, I have also used good old fashioned gas hammer welding.  Here is an example of stuff I've done with my MIG - www.mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies. Oklahoma is 49th in education, but our Vo-Tech schools are excellent. I'd recommend that as a good way to learn.

I should also mention that I did not set out to make my car a show car and do not drive it like one.  I did want to keep it original, because back in the day, I didn't have the money to modify it.  As far as costs go,  you can figure about 1K for a careful media blast and probably 1K in paint and materials (base coat/clear coat).  Its worth it, because modern catalyzed primer and paints are much better than original. I know the guy spent at least a couple of full weeks working on it.  On top of those costs, I also stripped my frame and had it blasted and epoxy primed.  I know you don't want to do all of this now, but if you have to take the body off, then .......
Larry Young

On 6/10/2015 2:59 PM, James_ via 6pack wrote:
Thanks everyone for the great words and advice.

I want a good job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with all these rusted out sections, i need to repair them first.
not
I am totally tempted to go out, buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and LEARN to weld!
Seriously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer, but there will be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find friends of friends
instruct me.
I would not do the floor pans but at least the flat sections needing repair. One area is on the firewall 
near the commission plates . probably a 1"x5" section.

So most sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner section directly under the fuse box, master cylinder area.
Which leads me to this: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender and wheel arch that I can extract this crazy multi-sided
section. I simply cut out the bad and have someone weld in the good replacement. saves fabricating from scratch. or do it myself. 

Anyone have a good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender sections?
Ideally here in Oregon, but willing to pay for shipping. Be even nicer if someone has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good part that is intact.

Thanks.

James



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From: rweber via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7822875045039199634== boundary="----=_Part_1568113_613371870.1434053218355" ------=_Part_1568113_613371870.1434053218355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James,=20 I sense the potential for a serious case of shipwrights disease setting in.= It happened to me on my 71 TR6 rustoration a few years ago. DPO had welded= a piece of 1/8" x 1 1/4" x 4" angle iron the full length of the inside sil= l from the firewall to the rear panel with full length welds. Ever being th= e curious engineer, I had to see what was underneath that and proceeded to = grind welds to extract the angle iron. I'm glad I did since both four-bolt = tub mounts to the frame=C2=A0 were completely rusted through meaning the le= ft side of the tub was not bolted down. That lead to a full soda blasting o= f the body to see what other surprises there were which then lead to new si= lls and floor pans installed after the door opening was well braced along w= ith a number of other sheet metal parts. It also uncovered some frame damag= e that I repaired and further descended into a full frame off. And all I wa= nted originally was a daily driver!=C2=A0=20 In all, as painful as it was, I'm glad I did it the way I did but it took 3= years. That's the wonder of owning these old cars and keeping them on the = road. Every nod and thumbs-up I get when driving my 6 confirms I made the r= ight decision.=C2=A0=20 =20 I recently picked up a 59 TR3 barn find and made sure I more thoroughly ins= pected the sheet metal but am fully expecting some surprises as I dig into = it.=20 In the end, we need to make the decisions on what needs to be done to make = the car safe to drive versus what would be nice to do. It sounds like from = what you're saying, the rest of the car is sound and a couple of patches wi= ll get you on the road. If you can find the patches, I'm sure a traveling w= elder can tack them in for a reasonable charge. Another alternative is to c= ontact the local vo-tech and see they need a donor project for the students= . You never know if the instructor will take a liking to a LBC project. Las= tly, another option is to go to a regular body shop and negotiate a flat pr= ice as a filler job to be completed within x weeks/months (be sure to set a= complete by date). They may give it to an apprentice and cut you a good de= al if they use it as a filler between jobs.=20 Good luck in deciding which way to go. I hope my 2 cents is helpful.=20 Ron Weber71TR659TR3A in kit form From: Larry Young via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... =20 James, I did not do the rust repair on my TR250, but since I'm also a Model T guy= , I have done my share.=C2=A0 I agree with everyone that suggested patching= .=C2=A0 A good butt weld can't be distinguished from original metal and is = just as strong.=C2=A0 When I had the rockers repaired, I bought the replace= ment piece.=C2=A0 Since it was just rusted at the front, the body guy sugge= sted we just cut off the front part and weld it in, because he could not du= plicate the original spot welds.=C2=A0 I'd suggest you get a 110V MIG welde= r (Lincoln or Miller).=C2=A0 They are cheaper and easier to use than a TIG,= but you will have to do some grinding. If money is an issue, I have also u= sed good old fashioned gas hammer welding.=C2=A0 Here is an example of stuf= f I've done with my MIG - www.mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies. Oklahoma is 49th in= education, but our Vo-Tech schools are excellent. I'd recommend that as a = good way to learn.=20 =20 I should also mention that I did not set out to make my car a show car and= do not drive it like one.=C2=A0 I did want to keep it original, because ba= ck in the day, I didn't have the money to modify it.=C2=A0 As far as costs = go,=C2=A0 you can figure about 1K for a careful media blast and probably 1K= in paint and materials (base coat/clear coat).=C2=A0 Its worth it, because= modern catalyzed primer and paints are much better than original. I know t= he guy spent at least a couple of full weeks working on it.=C2=A0 On top of= those costs, I also stripped my frame and had it blasted and epoxy primed.= =C2=A0 I know you don't want to do all of this now, but if you have to take= the body off, then ....... Larry Young =20 On 6/10/2015 2:59 PM, James_ via 6pack wrote: =20 #yiv5495278081 #yiv5495278081 --.yiv5495278081hmmessage P{margin:0px;paddi= ng:0px;}#yiv5495278081 body.yiv5495278081hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-fami= ly:Calibri;}#yiv5495278081 Thanks everyone for the great words and advice.= #yiv5495278081 #yiv5495278081 --.yiv5495278081ExternalClass #yiv549527808= 1ecxyiv5169001218 body.yiv5495278081ecxyiv5169001218hmmessage {font-size:12= pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv5495278081 =20 I want a good job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with al= l these rusted out sections, i need to repair them first. not=20 I am totally tempted to go out, buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and LE= ARN to weld! Seriously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer,= but there will be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find friend= s of friends instruct me. I would not do the floor pans but at least the fl= at sections needing repair. One area is on the firewall=C2=A0 near the comm= ission plates .=C2=A0probably a 1"x5" section.=20 So most sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner se= ction directly under the fuse box, master cylinder area. Which leads me to = this: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender and wheel arch that I= can extract this crazy multi-sided section. I simply cut out the bad and h= ave someone weld in the good replacement. saves fabricating from scratch. o= r do it myself.=C2=A0=20 Anyone have a good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender s= ections? Ideally here in Oregon, but willing to pay for shipping. Be even n= icer if someone has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good pa= rt that is intact.=20 Thanks.=20 James=20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________Support Team.Net http://www= .team.net/donate.htmlSuggested annual donation $12.96Archive: http://www.te= am.net/archiveForums: http://www.team.net/forums6pack@autox.team.nethttp://= autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6packUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.= net/mailman/options/6pack/cartravel@pobox.com=20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack yahoo.com ------=_Part_1568113_613371870.1434053218355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
James= ,
I sense= the potential for a serious case of shipwrights disease setting in. It hap= pened to me on my 71 TR6 rustoration a few years ago. DPO had welded a piec= e of 1/8" x 1 1/4" x 4" angle iron the full length of the inside sill from = the firewall to the rear panel with full length welds. Ever being the curio= us engineer, I had to see what was underneath that and proceeded to grind w= elds to extract the angle iron. I'm glad I did since both four-bolt tub mou= nts to the frame  were completely rusted through meaning the left side= of the tub was not bolted down. That lead to a full soda blasting of the b= ody to see what other surprises there were which then lead to new sills and= floor pans installed after the door opening was well braced along with a n= umber of other sheet metal parts. It also uncovered some frame damage that = I repaired and further descended into a full frame off. And all I wanted or= iginally was a daily driver! 

In all, as painful as = it was, I'm glad I did it the way I did but it took 3 years. That's the won= der of owning these old cars and keeping them on the road. Every nod and th= umbs-up I get when driving my 6 confirms I made the right decision.  <= br>

I recently picked = up a 59 TR3 barn find and made sure I more thoroughly=20 inspected the sheet metal but am fully expecting some surprises as I dig in= to it.
In the end,= we need to make the decisions on what needs to be done to make the car saf= e to drive versus what would be nice to do. It sounds like from what you're= saying, the rest of the car is sound and a couple of patches will get you = on the road. If you can find the patches, I'm sure a traveling welder can t= ack them in for a reasonable charge. Another alternative is to contact the = local vo-tech and see they need a donor project for the students. You never= know if the instructor will take a liking to a LBC project. Lastly, anothe= r option is to go to a regular body shop and negotiate a flat price as a fi= ller job to be completed within x weeks/months (be sure to set a complete b= y date). They may give it to an apprentice and cut you a good deal if they = use it as a filler between jobs.

Good luck in deciding which way to go. I hope my 2 cents is = helpful.
=
Ron Weber=
71TR6
59TR3A in kit form


From: Larry Young via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.n= et>
To: 6pack@autox= .team.net
Sent: Thurs= day, June 11, 2015 3:25 PM
Subjec= t: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
=

James,
I did not do the rust repair on my TR250, but since I'm also a Model T guy, I have done my share.  I agree with everyone that suggested patching.  A good butt weld can't be distinguished from original metal and is just as strong.  When I had the rockers repaired, I bought the replacement piece.  Since it was just rusted at the front, the body guy suggested we just cut off the front part and weld it in, because he could not duplicate the original spot welds.&nbs= p; I'd suggest you get a 110V MIG welder (Lincoln or Miller).  They a= re cheaper and easier to use than a TIG, but you will have to do some grinding. If money is an issue, I have also used good old fashioned gas hammer welding.  Here is an example of stuff I've done with my MIG - www.mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies. Oklahoma is 49th in education, but our Vo-Tech schools are excellent. I'd recommend that as a good way to learn.

I should also mention that I did not set out to make my car a show car and do not drive it like one.  I did want to keep it original, because back in the day, I didn't have the money to modify it.  As far as costs go,  you can figure about 1K for a careful media blas= t and probably 1K in paint and materials (base coat/clear coat).  It= s worth it, because modern catalyzed primer and paints are much better than original. I know the guy spent at least a couple of full weeks working on it.  On top of those costs, I also stripped my frame an= d had it blasted and epoxy primed.  I know you don't want to do all = of this now, but if you have to take the body off, then .......
Larry Young

On 6/10/2015 2:59 PM, James= _ via 6pack wrote:
Thanks everyone for the great words and advice.

I want a good job and get her on the road so i can drive it. but with all these rusted out sections, i need to repair them first.
not



I am totally tempted to go out, buy a TIG welder (a bit expensive) and LEARN to weld!
Seriously. I haven't seen any welding classes over the summer, but there will be many in the Fall. But I can teach myself and find friends of friends
instruct me.
I would not do the floor pans but at least the flat sections needing repair. One area is on the firewall 
near the commission plates . probably a 1"x5" section.

So most sections I need are flat sections. Except for the crazy corner section directly under the fuse box, master cylinder area.
Which leads me to this: If I can locate a perfect salvaged inner fender and wheel arch that I can extract this crazy multi-sided
section. I simply cut out the bad and have someone weld in the good replacement. saves fabricating from scratch. or do it myself. 

Anyone have a good source to find donor panels: wheel arch/inner fender sections?
Ideally here in Oregon, but willing to pay for shipping. Be even nicer if someone has the small section I need and not have to ruin a good part that is intact.

Thanks.

James



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It's interesting how a topic lik= e this wakes us all up from the dead on this list. It's nice to see everybo= dy again! =3B

IMO - this is one of those classic top= ics where we all agree to disagree because we all attack the hobby in our o= wn way. I'm not saying anyone is wrong. There are guys that do all the work= themselves=2C and there are guys that just want it done right and they wri= te the check. And everybody in between. =3B

I = had a buddy at work that had two classics (non-LBC) and he just decided he = wanted them to be "perfect"=2C took them to supposedly good experts of both= marques=2C and wrote the big checks. He almost never got his cars back=2C = took years=2C one guy filed for bankruptcy=2C his lawyer had to threaten th= e other guy=2C ended up taking one of them to a third guy that was even wil= ling to start where the first guy left off. =3B

Just be careful out there.  =3BYMMV

Sloane := o)


= --_76e51628-d1dd-4809-9e0f-5dee9456dbb1_-- --===============0020583111300600099== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0020583111300600099==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 11 14:29:28 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8E72586075 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410D62584715 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:27:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([70.122.243.61]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id f8Tm1q00X1LBsym018Tmeo; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:27:47 -0700 To: <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <198468145.321855.1433946323789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, , <1901644170.500632.1433956449926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, , <5579E09C.7020601@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:26:47 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: dave n via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7240239319053682670== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CE_01D0A45B.07C00BB0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01D0A45B.07C00BB0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 I am cleaning up the mess from a so called trusted mechanic. I let him = do a lot of the work, which I now realize I could have and should have = handled. he screwed up or didn=E2=80=99t complete a lot and because he = kept it so long without finishing it a lot of the bare metal parts have = surface rust. the nightmare continues. From: im sloane via 6pack=20 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 3:13 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... It's interesting how a topic like this wakes us all up from the dead on = this list. It's nice to see everybody again! =20 IMO - this is one of those classic topics where we all agree to disagree = because we all attack the hobby in our own way. I'm not saying anyone is = wrong. There are guys that do all the work themselves, and there are = guys that just want it done right and they write the check. And = everybody in between.=20 I had a buddy at work that had two classics (non-LBC) and he just = decided he wanted them to be "perfect", took them to supposedly good = experts of both marques, and wrote the big checks. He almost never got = his cars back, took years, one guy filed for bankruptcy, his lawyer had = to threaten the other guy, ended up taking one of them to a third guy = that was even willing to start where the first guy left off.=20 Just be careful out there. YMMV Sloane :o) ------=_NextPart_000_00CE_01D0A45B.07C00BB0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1
 
I am cleaning up the mess from a so called trusted mechanic.  = I let=20 him do a lot of the work, which I now realize I could have and should = have=20 handled.  he screwed up or didn=E2=80=99t complete a lot and = because he kept it so=20 long without finishing it a lot of the bare metal parts have surface = rust.
 
the nightmare continues.
 
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair=20 quote...
 
It's interesting how a topic like this wakes us all up = from the=20 dead on this list. It's nice to see everybody again! =20
 
IMO - this is one of those classic topics where we all agree to = disagree=20 because we all attack the hobby in our own way. I'm not saying anyone is = wrong.=20 There are guys that do all the work themselves, and there are guys that = just=20 want it done right and they write the check. And everybody in between. =
 
I had a buddy at work that had two classics (non-LBC) and he just = decided=20 he wanted them to be "perfect", took them to supposedly good experts of = both=20 marques, and wrote the big checks. He almost never got his cars back, = took=20 years, one guy filed for bankruptcy, his lawyer had to threaten the = other guy,=20 ended up taking one of them to a third guy that was even willing to = start where=20 the first guy left off.
 
Just be careful out there.  YMMV
 
Sloane :o)

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18 Jun 2015 16:26:08 -0000 36oK5E6IquLY8tewUYL9g2MrBY91J7EEtfl6S6vW9MkqsZitdcbom2lLe1aiePFNtPydPRL00EIy DbB2WhjGNXs8IPThpUObBZjqW8b.fBD.bZHKgl6ZxodaEAPN0mlluODiOXgmMzx4eCvTYApa.DnV FYgVc0wsPIFUyEKeKZ_DAttlNa1ltIPRG5SbRlZBLSxXaF7sfZ2jk4w1qnA7yqGuTnw9kbIAhKPV GjMvsf4c.byjTvwE0MlTIy6ySqzZGvZUbk9IdBjd2u9UgAoh15cVMB45neBoygtGFP5_7wrVSiP4 4yDx2Wvbxx1PKojxRrQ895FXn8aYdVYm8DmNbQJbIIflU45.J1QONzINU3yhDhafSVQZ8GejP49G NfXZhfvO1Mw6uD89Kf2Jc067DjFW6dUJzbv7iwEp7okUQwu_KBZI.rS7jiTqNtkJkfAOKIc3EdVD .6DLUjLtqQw-- Received: by 76.13.26.79; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:26:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:25:51 +0000 (UTC) To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] Oil pan bolts & other pan business From: Yahoo via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1147683750557256773== boundary="----=_Part_1498865_1515386423.1434644751476" ------=_Part_1498865_1515386423.1434644751476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you mark down which bolts match with each hole? =C2=A0I had a lot of fu= n doing repair with my pan off. =C2=A0 Replace thrust washers as needed, bl= ueprint oil pump (more oil pressure), =C2=A0clean out years of gunk in pan = (check for bits!), install front steel sealing block (an upgrade), =C2=A0he= licoil several bolt holes, clean up rest of threads, =C2=A0flatten ans smoo= th pan lip, =C2=A0use gasket sealent to glue gasket to pan before installat= ion. =C2=A0Paint outside of pan. =C2=A0Use toque wrench in a criss cross pa= ttern to tighten bolts. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Voila - no leaks! Use an inch lb torque wrench for low toque settings such as oil pump instal= lation. =C2=A0 Don't ask me about this! Cheers, =C2=A0Bruce Simms ------=_Part_1498865_1515386423.1434644751476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did you mark down= which bolts match with each hole?  I had a lot of fun doing repair wi= th my pan off.   Replace thrust washers as needed, blueprint oil pump = (more oil pressure),  clean out years of gunk in pan (check for bits!)= , install front steel sealing block (an upgrade),  helicoil several bo= lt holes, clean up rest of threads,  flatten ans smooth pan lip,  = ;use gasket sealent to glue gasket to pan before installation.  Paint = outside of pan.  Use toque wrench in a criss cross pattern to tighten = bolts.    Voila - no leaks!

Use an in= ch lb torque wrench for low toque settings such as oil pump installation. &= nbsp; Don't ask me about this!

Cheers,  Br= uce Simms
------=_Part_1498865_1515386423.1434644751476-- --===============1147683750557256773== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1147683750557256773==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 18 14:46:36 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11942588C48 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S26.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s26.hotmail.com [65.55.111.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9252C25846AB for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU179-W48 ([65.55.111.137]) by BLU004-OMC4S26.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:40:25 -0700 To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:40:25 +0000 Importance: Normal FILETIME=[0146BB10:01D0AA07] Subject: [6pack] Replacement Seat belts From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2666260552035148319== boundary="_9bc68434-6629-42c9-ab5c-f4ee8cd0dd3d_" --_9bc68434-6629-42c9-ab5c-f4ee8cd0dd3d_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was reading through old email threads and this sounds interesting=85 Kai Radicke of Wishbone Classics that had researched and compiled a set of = belts. =85.they look right and the ends fit into the seat belt parkers. I don't see seat belts listed on Wishbone website. But I really like that t= he original parkers can be used.I don't use the seat belt sensor=2C but alw= ays thought it would be cool to hook those up to see if they still work. Or I just have my originals re-webbed.=20 James = --_9bc68434-6629-42c9-ab5c-f4ee8cd0dd3d_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was reading through old email = threads and this sounds interesting=85

Kai Radicke of Wishbone =3BClassics that=
 had researched and compiled a set of belts. =3B
=85.they look right and the ends fit into th=
e seat belt parkers.

I don't see seat belts listed on Wishbone website. But I r= eally like that the original parkers can be used.
I don't use the= seat belt sensor=2C but always thought it would be cool to hook those up t= o see if they still work.

Or I just have my originals re-webbed. =3B

James
= --_9bc68434-6629-42c9-ab5c-f4ee8cd0dd3d_-- --===============2666260552035148319== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============2666260552035148319==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 20 16:10:42 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C36258501B for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from gateway06.websitewelcome.com (gateway06.websitewelcome.com [67.18.21.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EDA258049F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway06.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 40A206EE32D02; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:09:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway06.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF6E6EE32CE4 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:09:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z6Qwd-00006o-R3 for 6pack@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:08:59 -0500 Received: from 99.101.202.234 ([99.101.202.234]) (proxying for 99.101.202.234) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:08:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:08:59 -0500 To: 6pack@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] please include it with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: [6pack] clutch slave internal spring From: Lee Daniels via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net The clutch master on my (running) 6 gave up the ghost; it was pretty rough so I ordered a new one. I had a slave rebuild kit on hand and the slave looked good (and honed to a nice finish inside) so I didn't plan to replace that end. HOWEVER - that internal spring in the slave came out in 3 pieces, and the rebuild kit does not include the spring. So... just order a new one, right? TRF and Moss list "N/A" for the spring, and Vicky Brit shows one in the catalog - at a price of $14.95! Wow, must be made of unobtainium. At that price (and since I don't really trust VB) I might as well order a new complete slave cylinder. Is that my only real option here? Lee P.S. Oh, I found a box containing the complete slave from my non-running 6 - and it's in great shape and has the spring in it. I may just use that one - and render that nice part useless... _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 21 05:32:25 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263B325852F7 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 05:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54E82580582 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 05:31:54 -0600 (MDT) t=1434886326; bh=Vkx55fPLjWQ0okB7HZYrgAfrm6VlqmywKMIJtOsPmJQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=U9H10TYWeyId68y5jDnVh0gUSI71sfo3uKP3HujZhpZJcXAtN5IP22/BCJmc9q/UBDixvUjpnS0FIF/dL3ttJE0+zwz6lg91Lyj7wTrwOYVg9fdVrAtopQJoQTDzpSV5kDLb53vxaOo2FcnG+ksdyhXiSr5jnSdo8wKjcpH+BbeKpMEfx7a6GHqEb2uut5K8bKRTCQctCw+G4g17lYaQHlh+9CVHCWwYPqqiC7AewQN0jmWhfQUYvIFznxxN/DKKD7qdFG2r4tWg0vttAdrfUArZhv1oS63fsqFaoZJ6T71leGvt3yFYBtviGjAsdtVZdugJAWlTsqqJTfTJdVQCQQ== Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2015 11:32:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2015 11:32:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2015 11:32:06 -0000 2HeUuIRUpJ9dYuD_P6CXaLVIKpbuV7td.sl0YAi1ve8q1CDMl4s5TwriU8hKcr3TSu.LmfAab9Id 0.QrXnsUmUwBNR5pPqRXLumKhZrCONTMex2wQ_dQUHDqNQ6Kqx6WeqS3McdmmGJICot.SvWzD.5R epGNBG8QlR.Kw0IzW3Lth8z5ZJ7f2lvRgxyUjsi8BHaLq3.vQHfqwmOEXy6St.XdEp2xvhPJGylb g3QX36tLeRs_swbx6rBYOPc8sG.pd8rNoqTax6vXRsVdABt09CiZDGQYKIW8rfG2QEZm.cInQrZD fRnDf.D0zcy9jFS0G57MQBdEVEEtcN0Dr7Lj0dodNT8tyD2ffcOSfUghBHn.NIeD0n_gVg8PETbU dseXXL4qClJeQmHAndW8_gCBdFvZNqK.kO6gCZYmKQf_KiiNS6iRlA9_9m_I7W7Oji8naYr1YIPA DF1pN7Q-- Received: by 98.138.105.248; Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:32:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:31:00 +0000 (UTC) To: Lee Daniels , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <43d70c826ec0702a1f1aac0297bccac3.squirrel@webmail.automate-it.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] clutch slave internal spring From: Dale via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9058098897915197053== boundary="----=_Part_2594686_1258466773.1434886260351" ------=_Part_2594686_1258466773.1434886260351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee Though my TR6 is a little modified, not using a V8, I did read once in some= ones build that they used the TR6 slave for their V8 conversion. What they = did was remove the spring and take a .025 inch off the tab that holds the s= pring in place on the back side of the piston within the slave cylinder. Th= is gave them a little more throw from the slave cylinder piston has the rod= force the piston to the back of the cylinder. After reading that, I tried it with my TR6 slave cylinder when it was time = for a rebuild. It has worked great without a spring for a couple years now.= Some times you after wonder why the spring was added in the first place as= the hydraulic fluid would force the piston out. Why the need for a spring = unless it was to keep some pressure on the throw out bearing. If that was t= he case then you should have heard the throw out bearing making noise with = a spring in three pieces. The use of the German throw out bearing requires you have a spring to pull = the bearing arm back. Tension in the reverse direction. It all comes back to the point of" what works for your situation" Dale From: Lee Daniels via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> To: 6pack@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:08 PM Subject: [6pack] clutch slave internal spring =20 The clutch master on my (running) 6 gave up the ghost; it was pretty rough = so I ordered a new one. I had a slave rebuild kit on hand and the slave looked good (and honed to a nice finish inside) so I didn't plan to replace that e= nd. HOWEVER - that internal spring in the slave came out in 3 pieces, and the rebuild kit does not include the spring. So... just order a new one, right? TRF and Moss list "N/A" for the spring, and Vicky Brit shows one in the catalog - at a price of $14.95! Wow, must be made of unobtainium. At that price (and since I don't really trust VB) I might as well order a new compl= ete slave cylinder. Is that my only real option here? Lee P.S. Oh, I found a box containing the complete slave from my non-running 6 = - and it's in great shape and has the spring in it. I may just use that one - and render that nice part useless... _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack hoo.com ------=_Part_2594686_1258466773.1434886260351 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lee

Though my TR6 is a little modified, not using a= V8, I did read once in someones build that they used the TR6 slave for the= ir V8 conversion. What they did was remove the spring and take a .025 inch = off the tab that holds the spring in place on the back side of the piston w= ithin the slave cylinder. This gave them a little more throw from the slave= cylinder piston has the rod force the piston to the back of the cylinder.<= /div>

After reading that, I t= ried it with my TR6 slave cylinder when it was time for a rebuild. It has w= orked great without a spring for a couple years now. Some times you after w= onder why the spring was added in the first place as the hydraulic fluid wo= uld force the piston out. Why the need for a spring unless it was to keep s= ome pressure on the throw out bearing. If that was the case then you should= have heard the throw out bearing making noise with a spring in three piece= s.

<= div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1434884955354_4286" dir=3D"ltr">The use of the Germa= n throw out bearing requires you have a spring to pull the bearing arm back= . Tension in the reverse direction.

It all comes back to the point of" what works for your situati= on"

=
Dale




From: Lee Daniels via 6pack <6pack@a= utox.team.net>
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:08 PM
Subject: [6pack] clutch slave internal spring

The clutch master on my (running) 6 gave up the ghost; it w= as pretty rough so
I ordered a new one. I had a slave rebuild kit on han= d and the slave looked
good (and honed to a nice finish inside) so I did= n't plan to replace that end.
HOWEVER - that internal spring in the slav= e came out in 3 pieces, and the
rebuild kit does not include the spring.= So... just order a new one, right?
TRF and Moss list "N/A" for the spri= ng, and Vicky Brit shows one in the
catalog - at a price of $14.95! Wow,= must be made of unobtainium. At that
price (and since I don't really tr= ust VB) I might as well order a new complete
slave cylinder. Is that my = only real option here?
Lee
P.S. Oh, I found a box containing the com= plete slave from my non-running 6 -
and it's in great shape and has the = spring in it. I may just use that one -
and render that nice part useles= s...
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From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net So to follow up on this topic... Has anyone replaced the full floor pan? Meaning, not just leaving an edge of the old pan to weld to and leaving the flat side that gets spot welded to the inner sill or rocker panel? I looked carefully under the car and the passenger side has indeed been replaced before and they left the original lip or flat side intact and then welded on top of it. I suspect this is because that may be difficult to get to and maybe a body off is the only way to properly replace. I really rather replace the entire floor pan. Is it possible w/o lifting the body off? I signed up for a welding class (there goes my summer Saturday afternoons-that was painful to do given the amazing summers oregon has) In any case it sounds like a pain of a job to complete a replacement of my pans. Mine are in rough shape and doubtful I'd have a good lip to weld to and I'd hate to cut/butcher my beautiful new pans. Cheers James _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 26 11:16:34 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC4E2585BFC for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f171.google.com (mail-yk0-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BA32584C38 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ykdy1 with SMTP id y1so64224973ykd.2 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3NFEjsHTbM+ccgyRgIECK0As/8yNS4Ef4BFDxsIoqOk=; b=vgB/KrFGcxwXU3zSxSrpaodOeMrHz7+KF0AG7+UO3XUjFEhdRcQSm3imQGlcIbl/Xc sQF38aTIvl5aplV/X4pAc+Qt6KnFr+pRCHux4sa9TzaZqBsz2kAXecgp72J+kpnWAQw4 LMzl8w7HPY9zFEYwdcB4YiMao5RkuCbOkwWCecWcyME11eqTdIdQJXFnlCAde4eUBkmo erN68Qeh3xTKQ7OHbYbwngmC4ePVi1SPPSUEHBH+tbllOZwjFms0EV18SNON6LsEbgIl JSaLwKxSTm6zPavOoXEnD2QUZpbjjyqvfFXqscmdRfBvn0i3zClEEplOP9QxXC6af93P fTjg== Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.15.3 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.15.3 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <198468145.321855.1433946323789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1901644170.500632.1433956449926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5579E09C.7020601@pobox.com> <3D927CC4E45D45FB82AD0F7FB9EB09BE@Ranteer.local> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:12:21 -0400 To: James_ Cc: 6 Pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: alan salvatore via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5499531277322721753== --001a114fa440cdc16c05196ed70a To replace the whole floor pan the body has to come off. No ifs, ands, or buts. Al On Jun 26, 2015 1:01 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > So to follow up on this topic... > Has anyone replaced the full floor pan? Meaning, not just leaving an edge > of the old pan to weld to and leaving the flat side that gets spot welded > to the inner sill or rocker panel? > I looked carefully under the car and the passenger side has indeed been > replaced before and they left the original lip or flat side intact and then > welded on top of it. > I suspect this is because that may be difficult to get to and maybe a body > off is the only way to properly replace. > I really rather replace the entire floor pan. Is it possible w/o lifting > the body off? > I signed up for a welding class (there goes my summer Saturday > afternoons-that was painful to do given the amazing summers oregon has) > In any case it sounds like a pain of a job to complete a replacement of my > pans. > Mine are in rough shape and doubtful I'd have a good lip to weld to and > I'd hate to cut/butcher my beautiful new pans. > > Cheers > > James > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/alansalvy@gmail.com > > --001a114fa440cdc16c05196ed70a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To replace the whole floor pan the body has to come off.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
Al

On Jun 26, 2015 1:01 PM, "James_ via 6pack&= quot; <6pack@autox.team.net&= gt; wrote:
So to fo= llow up on this topic...
Has anyone replaced the full floor pan? Meaning, not just leaving an edge o= f the old pan to weld to and leaving the flat side that gets spot welded to= the inner sill or rocker panel?
I looked carefully under the car and the passenger side has indeed been rep= laced before and they left the original lip or flat side intact and then we= lded on top of it.
I suspect this is because that may be difficult to get to and maybe a body = off is the only way to properly replace.
I really rather replace the entire floor pan. Is it possible w/o lifting th= e body off?
I signed up for a welding class (there goes my summer Saturday afternoons-t= hat was painful to do given the amazing summers oregon has)
In any case it sounds like a pain of a job to complete a replacement of my = pans.
Mine are in rough shape and doubtful I'd have a good lip to weld to and= I'd hate to cut/butcher my beautiful new pans.

Cheers

James
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--001a114fa440cdc16c05196ed70a-- --===============5499531277322721753== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5499531277322721753==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 26 12:07:46 2015 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5974D2587DF0 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81185258535E for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t5QI7t54032597 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:07:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) To: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <198468145.321855.1433946323789.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1901644170.500632.1433956449926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5579E09C.7020601@pobox.com> <3D927CC4E45D45FB82AD0F7FB9EB09BE@Ranteer.local> Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote... From: "Robert M. Lang via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have done the replacement _complete_ with complete removal of the original floor pans and then seam and plug welding the floors in. The hardest part and the most time will be spent cleaning the flanges to get things FLAT for good welding contact. In retrospect, if you have access to "cleco clamps", they are worth every penny for a job like this. I use 1/8 inch ones. Those and Vise Grip welding clamps. It is easier if you can lift the body, though. You don't need to lift if clear of the frame, you just need wiggle room to get around "stuff". regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack