From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 19 21:49:31 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7AB2585AC8 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0122589927 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOP9E9KOPR ([174.230.12.117]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id DcrDgkGIcvOelDcrEgShgH; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:03:01 -0700 To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:03:01 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AdRn9DJBqJZTfi9FTTm1vCkM3OL6aA== jpowHkT5b0U/WDk0wXonZEz7oPuCxcCHgHmHE2Jzh69yYtfWx3qHHNFPAde7AYfJHJajh/OlTpj5ePnFZC9P96niO+YccRp1/K7BRe6+bZFZG1rlWMYCoxZA Subject: [6pack] eBay - a sobering story From: Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6288693769589584840== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D467D5.FA5CAEA0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D467D5.FA5CAEA0 charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to be careful. Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being "in good condition". It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically about the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me the car was "in great condition" with "minimal rust". I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location. After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week. The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn't make it. He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake. A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn't going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back. He told me tough, you paid already, it's yours. I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I'll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home. Bottom line - I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard. It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I did leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were "Total misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware". It never posted. I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was "pejorative and threatened the future success of his business". As a result eBay had the right to remove it - and they did. And they will not let me leave any negative feedback. I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub... Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D467D5.FA5CAEA0 charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Before I start the = story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity.  I = screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be = careful.

 

Having bought a TR3 with = a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was = prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently saw one = on eBay which was advertised as being “in good = condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller = twice and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  = he replied by assuring me the car was “in great condition” = with “minimal rust”.  I asked for additional pics, but = he said it was difficult as the car was at a different = location.

 

After I bid and won, the = seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he = had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.  The car was = several hours away and I explained I couldn’t make it.  He = said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and = they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the = car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by = the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My = mistake.

 

A week later I drove out = and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand through and a = passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt  it could ever = be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I = wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I = wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, = it’s yours.

 

I came home and called = eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old = and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller.  After = several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of = litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got = there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I = said, give me my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I’ll = deal with the other guy.  The seller had brought a few buddies = over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove = home.

 

Bottom line – I = salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is = fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to the = scrapyard.

 

It was my fault and I = accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely wife has not = given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I did = leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were “Total = misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It never = posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed = my feedback as it was “pejorative and threatened the future = success of his business”.  As a result eBay had the right to = remove it – and they did.  And they will not let me leave any = negative feedback.

 

I still love the Triumph = community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a = shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am venting, but if = anyone has a good TR3 tub………

 

Andrew = Uprichard

Jackson, = Michigan

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D467D5.FA5CAEA0-- --===============6288693769589584840== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============6288693769589584840==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 20 13:01:49 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7399F258ABFF for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 13:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE88B258B74F; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 09:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.141] ([67.249.155.254]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id DsvrgutTuBrOxDsvtgdaNJ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:12:54 +0000 To: Andrew Uprichard , triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net References: <00b101d467f7$816bdda0$844398e0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:13:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 Content-Language: en-GB KJ0sKxqj82y3uNMKWW+82Rx9NIeJbeqA6r0TUW9zsCH6fvPjrmZDev0aBVB4BI7BqYFjynPqD33P3qpuh7/Plfh01g78S7AhuueamBlNVi3k6c+qwMketmxP AZ/0OmOojYZrmF2TNRlNNA== Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] eBay - a sobering story From: Bob Labuz via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0610720278285533425== boundary="------------4208021990CC2F8E97FE58DC" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4208021990CC2F8E97FE58DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Andrew I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The car was too far away to go and see but the photos and representation were spot on. And the seller threw in many spares not listed on the original ad. I would have liked to view the car before bidding but I wanted a project and this was the best available at the time. I guess I was lucky. But since then, problems did surface with Ebay on both selling and buying so I stopped. I think there are too many scammers out there to do long distance selling and buying. I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I buy from a retailer on-line it is one I trust and use only CC. Too bad ebay is protecting this bum. Bob On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > > Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own > stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others > need to be careful. > > Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been > looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I > recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being “in good > condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller _twice_ > and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by > assuring me the car was “in great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I > asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was > at a different location. > > After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the > car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone > for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn’t > make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called > PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before > seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered > 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake. > > A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to > put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage > I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I > told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and > I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it’s yours. > > I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to > cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to > sue the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do > without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect > the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to > someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take > it and I’ll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few > buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home. > > Bottom line – I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of > which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip > to the scrapyard. > > It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my > lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the > guy.  But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were > “Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It never > posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my > feedback as it was “pejorative and threatened the future success of > his business”.  As a result eBay had the right to remove it – and they > did.  And they will not let me leave any negative feedback. > > I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical > about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I > guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub……… > > Andrew Uprichard > > Jackson, Michigan > --------------4208021990CC2F8E97FE58DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Andrew

I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The car was too far away to go and see but the photos and representation were spot on. And the seller threw in many spares not listed on the original ad.

I would have liked to view the car before bidding but I wanted a project and this was the best available at the time. I guess I was lucky.

But since then, problems did surface with Ebay on both selling and buying so I stopped. I think there are too many scammers out there to do long distance selling and buying.

I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I buy from a retailer on-line it is one I trust and use only CC.

Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.

Bob

On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:

Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be careful.

 

Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being “in good condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was “in great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.

 

After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn’t make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.

 

A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it’s yours.

 

I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I’ll deal with the other guy.  The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.

 

Bottom line – I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard.

 

It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were “Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It never posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was “pejorative and threatened the future success of his business”.  As a result eBay had the right to remove it – and they did.  And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.

 

I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub………

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

 

 


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Marty ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of TERRY SMITH <= terryrs@comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and where = he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee= n a civilian's defensive tool. Terry On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard = wrote: Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupid= ity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c= areful. Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looki= ng for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently s= aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =93in good condition=94. It w= as fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically a= bout the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me the car was =93in g= reat condition=94 with =93minimal rust=94. I asked for additional pics, bu= t he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location. After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up = within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.= The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it. He = said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they sai= d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called= eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protecti= on plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake. A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put = my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt = it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn= =92t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money= back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours. I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars le= ss than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle= r. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress = of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there= the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me= my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal with the other guy. = The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u= p and drove home. Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of whic= h is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the sc= rapyard. It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely = wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I di= d leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =93Total misrepres= entation of the car. Buyers beware=94. It never posted. I called eBay to= day and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorativ= e and threatened the future success of his business=94. As a result eBay h= ad the right to remove it =96 and they did. And they will not let me leave= any negative feedback. I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about ma= nkind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am ventin= g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=85=85=85 Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive comcast.net --_000_BN6PR19MB131656D213C971E64F88D8F8BAFA0BN6PR19MB1316namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, and it could save one of us = from the same experience.


Marty



From: Triumphs <triumphs= -bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.ne= t>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net<= br> Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story
 

You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and w= here he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth ha= s ever been a civilian's defensive tool.


Terry

On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &= lt;auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:

Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility= for my own stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where= I think others need to be careful.

 

Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage,= I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent = tub.  I recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.  It was fairly expen= sive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he = replied by assuring me the car was =93in great condition=94 with =93minimal= rust=94.  I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult a= s the car was at a different location.

 

After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had t= o pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would b= e gone for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.  He said OK, but he = wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and they said I would l= ose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called eBay = and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake. <= /p>

 

A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes = big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collisi= on damage I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I wasn=92t go= ing to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.&= nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.

 

I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only = applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other tha= n to sue the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and= so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got there the seller = told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me my mon= ey.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal with the other guy.  The seller had brought a few buddies over, and s= o I simply loaded the car up and drove home.

 

Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fe= nders, one of which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this we= ek for a trip to the scrapyard.

 

It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. = Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I for= give the guy.  But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =93Total misrepresentation of the car.=   Buyers beware=94.  It never posted.  I called eBay today a= nd was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorative and= threatened the future success of his business=94.  As a result eBay had the right to remove it =96 and they did.  And they will not = let me leave any negative feedback.

 

I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little mor= e cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nb= sp; I guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=85=85=85

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

 

 

 


 

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I regularly buy stuff on eBay and I would like to avoid this guy. Tom On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:43 PM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack < 6pack@autox.team.net> wrote: > Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own > stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need > to be careful. > > > > Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been > looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I > recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good > condition=E2=80=9D. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller *tw= ice* and > asked specifically about the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring = me > the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal ru= st=E2=80=9D. I asked for > additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a differe= nt > location. > > > > After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car u= p > within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a > week. The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t = make it. > He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and the= y > said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I > called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle > protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake. > > > > A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to pu= t > my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doub= t > it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I > wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wan= ted my > money back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours. > > > > I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars > less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the > seller. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the > stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I > got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I > said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal = with the > other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply > loaded the car up and drove home. > > > > Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one= of which > is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the > scrapyard. > > > > It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovel= y > wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I > did leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal > misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It never posted. = I called > eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was > =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2= =80=9D. As a > result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did. And they = will not > let me leave any negative feedback. > > > > I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about > mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am > venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tom.lofgren@stanfordalumni.or= g > > --00000000000041ab600578af040e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andrew,

Since eBay won't let you le= ave negative feedback, can you at least let us know his user name?=C2=A0 I = regularly buy stuff on eBay and I would like to avoid this guy.
<= br>
Tom

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:43 PM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:
=

Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own st= upidity.=C2=A0 I screwed up.=C2=A0 But the follow-up is where I think other= s need to be careful.

= =C2=A0

Having bought a TR3 with a bo= dy which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared to p= ay good money for, a decent tub.=C2=A0 I recently saw one on eBay which was= advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It was fair= ly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically a= bout the extent of the rust:=C2=A0 he replied by assuring me the car was = =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.= =C2=A0 I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car= was at a different location.

=C2=A0

After I bid and won, = the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he= had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=C2=A0 The car was se= veral hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it.=C2=A0 He said = OK, but he wanted the money immediately.=C2=A0 I called PayPal and they sai= d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.=C2=A0 So I c= alled eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle pro= tection plan (VPP).=C2=A0 So I paid.=C2=A0 My mistake.=

=C2=A0

A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to = put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I do= ubt=C2=A0 it could ever be restored.=C2=A0 Oh, and the frame was bent.=C2= =A0 I told him I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresente= d it, and I wanted my money back.=C2=A0 He told me tough, you paid already,= it=E2=80=99s yours.

= =C2=A0

I came home and called eBay o= nly to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old and that= I had no recourse other than to sue the seller.=C2=A0 After several sleepl= ess nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and so I d= rove back out to collect the car.=C2=A0 When I got there the seller told me= he had sold it to someone else.=C2=A0 Great, I said, give me my money.=C2= =A0 Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy.=C2= =A0 The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the c= ar up and drove home.

= =C2=A0

Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salva= ged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.=C2=A0 = The car is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard.=

=C2=A0

It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.=C2=A0 Th= ankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgiv= e the guy.=C2=A0 But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.=C2=A0 The EXACT= words were =E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the car.=C2=A0 Buyers bewar= e=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It never posted.=C2=A0 I called eBay today and was told t= he seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threat= ened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 As a result eBay ha= d the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.=C2=A0 And they will not le= t me leave any negative feedback.

=C2=A0

I still love the = Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a= shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.=C2=A0 I guess I am venting, but if an= yone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6

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= Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Mic= higan

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--00000000000041ab600578af040e-- --===============3242229775370621036== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============3242229775370621036==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 09:27:38 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACD8258A523 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 09:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C000258AB7F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 06:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOP9E9KOPR ([174.230.14.30]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id ED4zgFJWbSOvDED50gf8wi; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:43:38 -0700 To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:43:42 -0400 Thread-Index: AdRpO4aq4g3SLSfbShGqiRmlCeBLtw== Content-Language: en-us l/XcZW5HLPiqrSSa5RQ2QICRiyqpWicNLHXmBe/aYP7XFtEfcJvy2e2b2DWsFisjajFDPF1BVcWS4sF3ukSEbueOdlBvlRIn1Ns= Subject: Re: [6pack] sobering story - last point From: Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1626742105372360960== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01D4691A.2CD4B270" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D4691A.2CD4B270 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And for the many people who asked - stay away from rusty, bent cars being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH. From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: sobering story Thank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with the list. Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and some spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from a legal standpoint. Thank you all. I have learned a lot: 1. Don't be so trustworthy 2. eBay has its flaws 3. Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or paying 4. This list has a lot of really great people Andrew Uprichard Older and wiser J ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D4691A.2CD4B270 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And for = the many people who asked – stay away from rusty, bent cars being = sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.

 

From:= = Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net]
Sent: = Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM
To: = 'triumphs@autox.team.net'
Subject: sobering = story

 

Thank you so much for = the feedback, both individualized and shared with the list.  = Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact = that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and = some spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from = a legal standpoint.  Thank you all.

 

I have learned a = lot:

1.     = Don’t be so trustworthy

2.     = eBay has its flaws

3.     = Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding = or paying

4.     = This list has a lot of really great = people

 

Andrew = Uprichard

Older and wiser = J

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Eden via 6pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I have a buddy who recently purchased a TR6 from the east coast and is looking for a shop recommendation in the Austin area. Any good shops in the area? Cheers! Mark Denver, CO Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 21 20:11:59 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F21C258A3B4 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B45258A278 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id ELs8gs4saKkHIEMAEg0qrp; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:25:38 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1540160738; bh=im6fgZ2QPOJ0jFFI1uxRFAs/EUQ/kqjpVUib8wK1owQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RLtuI4U+ZR+HwBb1BlcvsGBOpmAyog3qBJaaYj283094vBAYLXBiv1FHCR7KVfCd5 jJYfGHOf5AbO/XwB1CsRlPMzdwYz++xAltRyOj0n6BdXfLwnaGIwzzpIsNmOfAI/QJ S18Yo7bxhw863gSJP3pOPQ2PpBaaKdxIJwBMH/pRpbGdznejUukHf+q2vBb6JZ0Hyo 5aXY7YHsdbSctEhoOrEIBryBsImIehPo77hfb+W/7e5IU3XgTG8ln3VdewFZIma9ED KrE+/9XfiPHCj0A/zy9m5eu1UWStO8faMbAMWMVwanuuLqA2UoILZd7i9NJ+mBLOlR Kc+vBDVnbTm5w== Received: from oxapp-asd-70o.email.comcast.net ([96.115.230.161]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id EMAEglpxpvyrXEMAEglYmY; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:25:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:25:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrew Uprichard , Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>, triumphs@autox.team.net References: <002f01d4693b$b3e3e170$1baba450$@uprichard.net> Importance: Medium 70quCA8UbLlT70/DneqZujA0kjmrcUJLI6Mgxt7Sc5JnxWDpndfmSTdI46anNCyNHmHgCy5hNdwj1mfL6AuAe9GeiGGbaVqNsWoMu4TWI0FjYku1gBFU6jpq Q0MCphy2wrxvlRcdnLCLRs1c6uqrnT3vgB5VKUjxFp0= Subject: Re: [6pack] sobering story - last point From: Tom Walling via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2631988142074882099== boundary="----=_Part_265687_1488514086.1540160737944" ------=_Part_265687_1488514086.1540160737944 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errr, OK, but aren't the northern suburbs of Cleveland somewhere under Lake= Erie? =20 > On October 21, 2018 at 8:43 AM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.te= am.net> wrote: >=20 >=20 > And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, ben= t cars being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH. >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM > To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' > Subject: sobering story >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared wi= th the list. Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared = the fact that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with= , and some spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation f= rom a legal standpoint. Thank you all. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I have learned a lot: >=20 > 1. Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy >=20 > 2. eBay has its flaws >=20 > 3. Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or payi= ng >=20 > 4. This list has a lot of really great people >=20 > =20 >=20 > Andrew Uprichard >=20 > Older and wiser J >=20 =20 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >=20 > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/pdqtr= 6@comcast.net >=20 >=20 =20 ------=_Part_265687_1488514086.1540160737944 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Errr, OK, but aren't the northern suburbs of C= leveland somewhere under Lake Erie?

 
On October 21, 2018 at 8:43 A= M Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

 

From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto= :auprichard@uprichard.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2= 018 8:36 AM
To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net'
Subject: sobering story

 

Thank you so much for t= he feedback, both individualized and shared with the list.  Several of= you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact that it is real= ly, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and some spelled out i= n great detail how I could approach the situation from a legal standpoint.&= #160; Thank you all.

 

I have learned a lot:

1.=      Don’t be so trustworthy

2.     eBay has its flaws

3.     Get someone locally to go look at= a car before bidding or paying

4.&#= 160;    This list has a lot of really great people

 

Andrew Uprichard

Older and wiser J


 

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=20 ------=_Part_265687_1488514086.1540160737944-- --===============2631988142074882099== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============2631988142074882099==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 11:08:20 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E206258A17E for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D34E2589EE3 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.238]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id EYs8gd5SAqDIJEbFOgXu6v; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:31:58 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1540218718; bh=fmmW8TyAbNlpHTZTQ8EsnJMgRMlfHX/9Z8uhrBxxRqI=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=aLEshbvnltV22vQXxseTR7pMsDr1uxAl4M3W/LddyKb9N/xiDCtSiqntZAtfnJmaD 4wJNhVWTeJPL76XKO1pCQgUcqi9p0o11HzvIaautd9dnoPD/z0PvorXl3/MEnxefgB qNeZKDXVdHA+gz8hP76p8uaXT3geAsoTAnQ2HlS0JWqrihdvgFLiwN6puy+rt2k6wa Lf3K724b9TRZZhaKaRgcmnWStef+Dlmq1Yk9MUN2Z06e8/VvjER3sPUqO6zy4z6ozh UdRJW4GrNT53or/4H5UsfPJ4rNutS/C+IlDyge3XJCsEvKMxwrqDId737VXgJMEgF7 9M1PI0Hqhiqfg== Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([71.196.193.102]) by resomta-po-14v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id EbFMgoL7QhzSKEbFNgVSNs; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:31:58 +0000 References: <002f01d4693b$b3e3e170$1baba450$@uprichard.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:31:56 -0600 To: Andrew Uprichard xPhN8IJExSKRzETSHtDnVCXfBaO5mML6XmUoEnZfmnhyz9PSUl2fMQHPGd6R4+Ge4bTvR6SNqzsSDHAlLVomc2GrNgWfTDfy/k55D/AeKoqj58DfFXzju1gP gVwZHTi0TSifx2t+d8eKk4ZZpv6d0R0YCuHehnGOQTY+mVCrrlefj0sqVaFAsiu2 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] sobering story - last point From: Levilevi via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0645180016688543887== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit boundary=Apple-Mail-0D3D9437-88D9-49D0-A969-6B87FBE05883 --Apple-Mail-0D3D9437-88D9-49D0-A969-6B87FBE05883 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew why are you holding back on the persons name and eBay handle? Many ha= ve asked and you are being evasive about it. Sent from my Commodore 64 > On Oct 21, 2018, at 6:43 AM, Andrew Uprichard w= rote: >=20 > And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, bent car= s being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH. > =20 > From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM > To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' > Subject: sobering story > =20 > Thank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with th= e list. Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fa= ct that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and s= ome spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from a le= gal standpoint. Thank you all. > =20 > I have learned a lot: > 1. Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy > 2. eBay has its flaws > 3. Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or paying > 4. This list has a lot of really great people > =20 > Andrew Uprichard > Older and wiser J > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archi= ve >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilev= i@comcast.net --Apple-Mail-0D3D9437-88D9-49D0-A969-6B87FBE05883 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andrew why are you holding back on the= persons name and eBay handle? Many have asked and you are being evasive abo= ut it.

Sent from my Commodore 64

On Oct 21, 2018, at 6:= 43 AM, Andrew Uprichard <aupr= ichard@uprichard.net> wrote:

<= div>

And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away f= rom rusty, bent cars being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.<= o:p>

 

From: Andrew Uprichard [mail= to:auprichard@uprichard.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8= :36 AM
To: 'triumphs@au= tox.team.net'
Subject: sobering story

 

= Th= ank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with the li= st.  Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the f= act that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and s= ome spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from a le= gal standpoint.  Thank you all.

 

I have learned a lot:

1.  &n= bsp;  Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy<= o:p>

2.  =    eBay has its flaws<= /span>

3.    = ; Get someone locally to go look at a car be= fore bidding or paying

= 4.     This li= st has a lot of really great people

Andrew Uprichard

Older and wiser J

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= --Apple-Mail-0D3D9437-88D9-49D0-A969-6B87FBE05883-- --===============0645180016688543887== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0645180016688543887==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 12:38:49 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A4A258A0DB for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D297258A1B7 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 09:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DESKTOP9E9KOPR ([174.230.16.91]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id Ebk5gbaPgbkfUEbk6gbgte; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:03:45 -0700 To: "'Levilevi'" References: <002f01d4693b$b3e3e170$1baba450$@uprichard.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:03:41 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHDrjtLIjrcKjkg7YDymh2iD4vVEQEjB29ZpUO6aCA= Content-Language: en-us XwMbSmzTDfpz1qKXLyLdob+KssQWBBNlDQ0mdPFoPvxeYKosvaTvxaznykq93CZRbcMDWrnrOpArGy4WKxJIw8Vm3p1eKb9M1jBLgas3mU4h5IhlbRBI0fV6 h1u2M1LPl4xSFxlYPvmk5Q== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] sobering story - last point From: Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3521373329586993493== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01D469F6.E6F2A540" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01D469F6.E6F2A540 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not being evasive =E2=80=93 I am over the guy (the point of my story was = more about eBay than the seller =E2=80=93 and eBay has again refused to = post my feedback) and have put it down to experience. I appreciate all = the suggestions, but harassing him or paying him a visit isn=E2=80=99t = going to help. Time to move on. =20 The only point of sharing any info would be to fellow TR owners to steer = well clear of the guy. So avoid a guy called Davis who lives in = Kirtland Hills, OH. =20 Andrew =20 =20 =20 From: Levilevi [mailto:levilevi@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 10:32 AM To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] sobering story - last point =20 Andrew why are you holding back on the persons name and eBay handle? = Many have asked and you are being evasive about it. Sent from my Commodore 64 On Oct 21, 2018, at 6:43 AM, Andrew Uprichard = wrote: And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, bent = cars being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH. =20 From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' Subject: sobering story =20 Thank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with = the list. Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared = the fact that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad = with, and some spelled out in great detail how I could approach the = situation from a legal standpoint. Thank you all. =20 I have learned a lot: 1. Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy 2. eBay has its flaws 3. Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or = paying 4. This list has a lot of really great people =20 Andrew Uprichard Older and wiser J ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01D469F6.E6F2A540 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not being = evasive =E2=80=93 I am over the guy (the point of my story was more = about eBay than the seller =E2=80=93 and eBay has again refused to post = my feedback) and have put it down to experience.=C2=A0 I appreciate all = the suggestions, but harassing him or paying him a visit isn=E2=80=99t = going to help. Time to move on.

 

The only point of sharing any info would = be to fellow TR owners to steer well clear of the guy.=C2=A0 So avoid a = guy called Davis who lives in Kirtland Hills, = OH.

 

Andrew

 

 

 

From:= = Levilevi [mailto:levilevi@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, October = 22, 2018 10:32 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: = triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [TR] sobering story - last point

 

Andrew = why are you holding back on the persons name and eBay handle? Many have = asked and you are being evasive about it.

Sent from my Commodore = 64


On Oct 21, 2018, at 6:43 AM, Andrew = Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>= wrote:

And for the many people who asked = =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, bent cars being sold from the northern = suburbs of Cleveland, OH.

 

 

Thank you so much for = the feedback, both individualized and shared with the list.  = Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact = that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and = some spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from = a legal standpoint.  Thank you all.

 

I have learned a = lot:

1.       = Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy

2.       = eBay has its flaws

3.       = Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding = or paying

4.       = This list has a lot of really great = people

 

Andrew = Uprichard

Older and wiser = J

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01D469F6.E6F2A540-- --===============3521373329586993493== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============3521373329586993493==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 15:32:16 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B66258A1AD for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 15:32:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5104F2589FE1 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.243]) by resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id EZPDgZlZe6nbyEdbUg9Ckm; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:02:56 +0000 s=q20161114; t=1540227776; bh=GXesFaASJCpBszhZwpadkD8hgIE6sWsihdbuOjuvHEA=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=VUwxMyOzTXvz6G3iKiSAjF7yyyZTDBDnrdHSj3yaxpxMw7uLMkbCD5TR4hSg8IuyV NBoZmg8InrIJg0dczmrrnWFfMVrIPlA3hmKsf8sNKssoYlU8X8AYby/Pm9DcAkYQR3 vpyPUcVEc9fnF22Q1ABGbtXyGtU95Y4jySCIA+SzUg+cT7aDnLsMcEG1/6AW5SKmoB nhJLTEmsBlAQtEMb045l/7fsDDPaH5jgj8tvrhrDCOn+9RL/qL4gzIR10GQv7kqyM/ CxYTv2FMUaa9m+CRSWYErFqedMreIDar+o2RohWjANR8WDwLaDzLQpak7TB9UhKNpM TQBD0VYp0H3Xg== Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.193.102]) by resomta-po-19v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id EdbTgqTVY3nbqEdbUgsSIp; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:02:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:02:55 -0600 References: <002f01d4693b$b3e3e170$1baba450$@uprichard.net> <002001d46a18$6e01d440$4a057cc0$@uprichard.net> To: Andrew Uprichard 6PiqjsN+O33nbUGzNKvzew1By84PTilOFChrIAqfOzumzC7W9w4uAGoKkxa4Pvzg+DMmW3YLxiayLaWjbfDTwSDjQnEVEF23jkjPaGTAUSLN2Ivd8da7Rz2H 3Of4ObDTd6ZZBR7h+aGcGITrJYDejq6LQd3lSv/aBf4= Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] sobering story - last point From: Bud Rolofson via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5869665926662529015== --Apple-Mail=_4EDB3E67-A317-435B-8D5A-786D4EC13B47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thanks Andrew for sharing.=20 We all want to steer clear of dishonest sellers, but specifics are = important. There could be many honest sellers in the Cleveland area so a = broad brush description condemns unintended innocents. I thought the story was out on eBay and their false promises. They = screwed me twice already for the sake of the all mighty dollar. If possible it=E2=80=99s best to use an escrow company, when buying a = car sight unseen, that holds the money until both parties are happy. But = maybe that=E2=80=99s not possible on eBay. Bud > On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Andrew Uprichard = wrote: >=20 > The only point of sharing any info would be to fellow TR owners to = steer well clear of the guy. So avoid a guy called Davis who lives in = Kirtland Hills, OH. --Apple-Mail=_4EDB3E67-A317-435B-8D5A-786D4EC13B47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thanks Andrew for sharing. 

We all want to steer clear of dishonest = sellers, but specifics are important. There could be many honest sellers = in the Cleveland area so a broad brush description condemns unintended = innocents.

I = thought the story was out on eBay and their false promises. They screwed = me twice already for the sake of the all mighty dollar.

If possible it=E2=80=99s = best to use an escrow company, when buying a car sight unseen, that = holds the money until both parties are happy. But maybe that=E2=80=99s = not possible on eBay.

Bud

On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:03 AM, = Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:

The only point of sharing any info = would be to fellow TR owners to steer well clear of the guy.  So = avoid a guy called Davis who lives in Kirtland Hills, = OH.

= --Apple-Mail=_4EDB3E67-A317-435B-8D5A-786D4EC13B47-- --===============5869665926662529015== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============5869665926662529015==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 22 17:45:34 2018 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8712589E37 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from sonic314-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic314-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.132.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96591258A2A9 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:49:04 -0600 (MDT) t=1540237735; bh=rpMM7XY6BiQVOm79e2w3arYl4eccfXOx6zphnOM1mPc=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=s01H1KhB5L7PV7UHXjrFD9HL3ZMqge6k+qsZcibxCpICmgDz6XJLYAX/Y6wZUByic8rvAmKOWoxrUEKWesOkgn3X1UKQELtqv/9lY8Mmyl2VJntFjPZ6i0lqRNoliYL5Ry+YFZNRqVRGsdMChmC5ab9yuMYHtsm+3hfryoeagPf9fbNXaJ5Jg+pbIIRMNhd3EH/sSU38o4iz4uZKAlzt0bZw09xRBzEepevMrmCcZE1i1R9X+KKyIk0o9uWumO35TCQAWtWfuEmyMxHdQKBFIzOjMbi6z0C5Dvf5ikx/bKFQjfW1cKwPcDSK3sVgsZRRT6lfmB5ewQjRKT4F00UAAQ== GGjuEdfhce85dJEu1IpcdiyvY5LIkBwPdKUO8IsF9kyVJpm7PnOa5m61vooQcPLj1F1N0jy_yK9g EhGkcJkHf2Y9C9UCEXotX6ZH3vS7t_OERRuQdNJhV.ljVUkrsD.PtZBpBjnx0XOjwajV0T7PuOmN db8TPtNvogebxJtuYkkYhKcWRaAS3K335N.OWBEcuf2r1HxJZR.9xVi5uLYrHDYZK5W__Pw7.c0r cgslTNapZyJsydtyN1yZXfoZGRLCitBJAY99kFtlzaTsAv.gwm0Hbb1_7.d5gh6pcbvyTXodPXXU H8Vre2j0wy2Xk0ZvdEjF3zIo6lxxaMpc0gMeU53eLz1No39GDFrZcR0EkBu6ya53wZ36hHDF5Csn 5MXIP_eH5e7aptIkLV79phSQxLXtvHzyxwyKofGy3MJsZNeHOoPetws7L3LnvzXbwIk.ib..KI8F 4ZABuVsLZdqELcJYdW4.x1sL2eS3M6b1aM.Q5O5_JEnlwSNyfVTFZFmGwrSM9CsS0Soc6t4ggGqr VYLQfgXCAWsIOQ_RbAsI0q_E3RZzjj5JEMCmzXLXU2L6gl3Z.L4Gs9hddXFtqM22PCpsgLcgVvoR gbmDSqlGQiaDqLEHuX7emxbMlUA3.Oe22s1b_iFwmURwrYMxhcvQYdcaEpXXwhwMn_gylEtKJhKd auITttjXVMCQakEPd8nNqNgR6MU4kJDm8xBOa53HfgVMQteQOlSYljLjNonihFmxuNpaACvaREbF CfU6WgWWXNdkc_4PQrXcgPdsKbYvemcwLAbawXWgzDRKpFlTXzE04SWA2lnZvJjiR_2AQmp.F9sY e58LiqxvEM3DJTZ8HQgXBLkPgionqKlyUoaPyqhn0.N9oZ4sGDzxNyoDAfoasDlYmuMRPg0trVH6 m2SyjwTRct4hrRddwp2.aaJFoaeIr2xYUAckrizpLjjYBGPLKK25gvKR59tb.hQRIXnto.mhXKuF dfC.yGiAQAHay3XD.FNOjzjfplhfS36SS1YaOZ6QYvyH0_OUczXAfQ.aFYPsbn_St Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic314.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:48:55 +0000 Received: from 1.sub-174-232-2.myvzw.com (EHLO [100.84.115.46]) ([174.232.2.1]) by smtp421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3eac3d67cd312b0ec46ef2e71edf9e40; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 15:48:49 -0400 References: <002f01d4693b$b3e3e170$1baba450$@uprichard.net> <1962397481.265688.1540160737950@connect.xfinity.com> To: Tom Walling Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] sobering story - last point From: Bob Palmer via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8104256495871452741== boundary=Apple-Mail-667B8D9C-4691-47DA-B7A5-7A2916E10BE3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-667B8D9C-4691-47DA-B7A5-7A2916E10BE3 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6 Pack we have a network of people who maybe live in the area where the c= ar you=E2=80=99re looking at is located. It=E2=80=99s listed in the back of t= he newsletter... contact one of these guys and they=E2=80=99ll go check out t= he car before you buy it! No need to get cheated! Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 21, 2018, at 6:25 PM, Tom Walling via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> w= rote: >=20 > Errr, OK, but aren't the northern suburbs of Cleveland somewhere under Lak= e Erie? >=20 > =20 >> On October 21, 2018 at 8:43 AM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack@autox.te= am.net> wrote:=20 >>=20 >> And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away from rusty, bent ca= rs being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Andrew Uprichard [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net]=20 >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM >> To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net' >> Subject: sobering story >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thank you so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with t= he list. Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the f= act that it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and s= ome spelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from a le= gal standpoint. Thank you all. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> I have learned a lot: >>=20 >> 1. Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy >>=20 >> 2. eBay has its flaws >>=20 >> 3. Get someone locally to go look at a car before bidding or paying >>=20 >> 4. This list has a lot of really great people >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Andrew Uprichard >>=20 >> Older and wiser J >>=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________=20 >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html=20 >> Suggested annual donation $12.96=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive=20 >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums=20 >>=20 >> 6pack@autox.team.net=20 >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack=20 >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/pdqtr6@co= mcast.net=20 >>=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >=20 > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/triumphbob= @aol.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-667B8D9C-4691-47DA-B7A5-7A2916E10BE3 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 6 Pack we have a network of people who m= aybe live in the area where the car you=E2=80=99re looking at is located. It= =E2=80=99s listed in the back of the newsletter... contact one of these guys= and they=E2=80=99ll go check out the car before you buy it! No need to get c= heated!

Sent from my iPhone
=
On Oct 21, 2018, at 6:25 PM, Tom Walling via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> wrote:

Errr, OK, but aren't the northern suburbs of Cleveland somewhere <= em>under Lake Erie?

 
<= blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 21, 2018 at 8:43 AM Andrew Uprichard via= 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net&= gt; wrote:

And for the many people who asked =E2=80=93 stay away fro= m rusty, bent cars being sold from the northern suburbs of Cleveland, OH.

 

From: Andrew Uprichar= d [mailto:auprichard@uprichard.n= et]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 8:36 AM
To: 'triumphs@autox.t= eam.net'
Subject: sobering story

 

Thank yo= u so much for the feedback, both individualized and shared with the list.&nb= sp; Several of you have had similar bad experiences, some shared the fact th= at it is really, really hard to forgive someone you are mad with, and some s= pelled out in great detail how I could approach the situation from a legal s= tandpoint.  Thank you all.

  <= /p>

I have learned a lot:

1.     Don=E2=80=99t be so trustworthy

2.     eBay has its flaws

3.     Get someone locally to go look at a car be= fore bidding or paying

4.  &n= bsp;  This list has a lot of really great people

=  

Andrew Uprichard

Older and wiser J=


 

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On Mon, Oct 22= , 2018 at 11:23 AM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
=

... fellow TR owners to steer well cle= ar of the guy.=C2=A0 So avoid a guy called Davis who lives in Kirtland Hill= s, OH.


If this is th= e seller I think it is -- an eBay seller ID ending in "...26" -- = it appears that the usual owner of that ID sells out of=C2=A0Bryn Mawr, PA and item= s offered look like ladies stuff on most of the listings.=C2=A0 Only a TR a= nd a 2-wheel Triumph show up as being in Ohio.=C2=A0 Something odd going on= , possibly someone 'borrowing' a family or friend's eBay ID to = sell a couple of vehicles.
=
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