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That hazard switch is a bugger.= I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading= the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.) 12V has to = come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green= / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to th= e Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to fla= sh the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent f= rom the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects= to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard = pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you= have the turn signal switch up or down. The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side= and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green w= ire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the = column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side. Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again. Turn sig= nals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch. Sloane 69-Six 72-Spit ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM To: bobfabie@gmail.com Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch di= sconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the turn si= gnals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't = work in the hazard mode. I'd start there. Dave -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Dave, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out t= he green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connec= ted it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back u= p lights, THEY WORKED! The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash = on he driver=92s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on th= e drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard mo= dule should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the = cause(s) of these issues. Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie e1massey@cs.com>> wrote: [X] Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's h= andy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volt= s) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch t= o the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on. The fus= e that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn si= gnals so if they work you are probably good. Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bulb i= s not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the = flasher to flash. On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The sockets= are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The ground conn= ection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a volt meter check = for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. Dave -----Original Message----- Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautiful= ly following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, = rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important thing= s interfered. Imagine that=85 I=92m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, p= robably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=92t work a= t all. Second: The back-up lights don=92t work. I=92ve installed a new back up lig= ht harness. I=92ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=92t quite figu= re out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=92 3 bullet connectors i= n the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires= are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires a= re almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different c= olor thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com --_000_BN8PR08MB62416F3AD2568A92A2CD692B8E269BN8PR08MB6241namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=   I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re= ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  1= 2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down. 

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. 

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. 

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side. 

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Tur= n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. 

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch. 

Sloane 
69-Six
72-Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><= br> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: bobfabie@gmail.com <bobfabie@gmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
 
OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.  The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.  If the contact= s for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=92s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals = on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and haza= rd module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 a= t 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.= com> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is = a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which fe= eds power from the switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?  If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.  The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.  The ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start th= ere.  If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.c= om>
To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@auto= x.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=85

I=92m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issu= es, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. 

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=92t w= ork at all. 

Second: The back-up lights don=92t work. I=92ve installed a new back u= p light harness. I=92ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=92t quite= figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=92 3 bullet connect= ors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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--_000_BN8PR08MB62416F3AD2568A92A2CD692B8E269BN8PR08MB6241namp_-- --===============7680685601906338950== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============7680685601906338950==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 1 12:53:09 2022 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACF5A0A46 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 12:53:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua1-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C027A09E0 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 12:52:55 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ua1-f45.google.com with SMTP id m90so15211862uam.2 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 11:52:55 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=81Awv2nARW0lP8PCKmcUWBhPpW1hNFNx8t2rXn7tAjI=; b=eeezDarXUGdgek+dJttotdSKqy8zPrqUUmdANEvY6s+3opdh0u785JdfkGct86e4mz Wf0TRq+i9U9uuZHKZEk+JrW0rXPbXV+MaUmlhZnsnXabCv80NoZpQ3tGQXHacT4yxJmA maKoblZhVOZGCnOfHmBoVckXQXba7XYZde4bpPvKNntgNa1AMc6l6J434WJ8W2YNSpou gvibGj0GRAO5+cu9y10AH2vOyvJMY2Ha7yq98H/+scgB0U0kKKaOFu0GqbjT3qsBDcnN 2TrPQGB0vHXMFrPT7iDM0TLXwh6GmYdsxuU0vnVQgFb2qGqna89q1j8Aw1l92ay4/xGi gH4g== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=81Awv2nARW0lP8PCKmcUWBhPpW1hNFNx8t2rXn7tAjI=; b=n/U/aLodKPf4KlvS/8SmOo89jiTNLRM7gG6aURaPnDmHgWO6VgtHaIKjEWUnhkDb0P 7IQfDitrroeI2+cEMfCRSXl/pHbvJ2uLuQhC3613ZdhAz8lJfDnNCXw9Fc+NcNkSyi6z fzI+mqYfnnF+JJ9CmZ4sbuGJV3A5xkUbPMMjspfFGfq+dGdGeO0w5Ot4y1U+MRQ68qln IKIOruvPJ1CZNC01hzhbX2sFFPa5fPutYkPIoRwZAIPjZ3Iz7ekICzv08haaO6Puy3ym gfdocyENvFOPjqjHqBfCsXpneIfJqMhR+sw3vioRCM0hM/AL0W0EpZyxZFhuLXTY8iPD VXbQ== AjFuDN4yFvBQYSVfxN1uXeuvpECrT6+JcPZxHsY= Tue, 01 Feb 2022 11:52:54 -0800 (PST) References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 14:52:33 -0500 To: im sloane Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1513555215253932731== --00000000000041514505d6fa3fb8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all for your help and suggestions. I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything works. What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next. Thanks Bob Fabie On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane wrote: > Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a > bugger. I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'= m > reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.) 12= V > has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K > (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it > sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the > Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 1= 2V > from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) > wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when > you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, > causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down. > > The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are o= n > the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. > > When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S t= o > the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch a= nd > then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. > > So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a > switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard > flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the > light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch t= o > both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must ent= er > thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru t= he > flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side. > > Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely > disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only= a > new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again. > Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. > > A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering > column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange tha= t > front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the > turn signal switch. > > Sloane > 69-Six > 72-Spit > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY < > dave1massey@cs.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM > *To:* bobfabie@gmail.com > *Cc:* 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues > > OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch > disconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the tur= n > signals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they > won't work in the hazard mode. I'd start there. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: DAVID MASSEY > Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm > Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues > > Dave, > > Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out > the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I > connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the tran= s > back up lights, THEY WORKED! > > The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flas= h > on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signa= ls on the > drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard > module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to > the cause(s) of these issues. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Bob Fabie > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's > handy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 > volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the > switch to the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on= . > The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges= , > turn signals so if they work you are probably good. > > Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bulb > is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause t= he > flasher to flash. > > On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The > sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The > ground connection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a volt > meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm > Subject: [6pack] Two Issues > > Hello All, > > As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running > beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a > few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other > important things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6 > > I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two i= ssues, > probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. > > First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=99= t work at > all. > > Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a n= ew back up light > harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=E2=80=99t= quite figure out > how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors = in the > passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are > solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are > almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different > color thread. > > Can anyone help me sort out these issues? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey@cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie@gmail.com > > --00000000000041514505d6fa3fb8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the no= n functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. = Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way = hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and = washer, trunk light - everything works.

What = I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal flasher= are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 = at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloan= e@hotmail.com> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.= =C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'= m reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2= =A0 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down.=C2=A0

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completel= y disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only= a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.= =C2=A0 Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.=C2=A0

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch.=C2=A0

Sloane=C2=A0
69-Six
72-Spit

From= : 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <<= a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com" target=3D"_blank">dave1massey@cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: bobfabie= @gmail.com <= bobfabie@gmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@= autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
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OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.=C2=A0 If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0 If the con= tacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.t= eam.net <6= pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si= gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an= d hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there= is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire whic= h feeds power from the switch to the lights.=C2=A0 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.=C2=A0 The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?=C2=A0 If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.=C2=A0 The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.=C2=A0 The ground connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start th= ere.=C2=A0 If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@auto= x.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw= o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80= =99t work at all.=C2=A0

Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed = a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram= but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har= ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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--00000000000041514505d6fa3fb8-- --===============1513555215253932731== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============1513555215253932731==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 1 13:41:57 2022 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171F9A05FD for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 13:41:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB4FA05D2 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 13:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ed1-f41.google.com with SMTP id w25so36087183edt.7 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:39:33 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LDcbH6q3FAwrhpIFg2arZPiuppBgjTbcoeozgGSizyk=; b=gYrWimUp/Lgt8dHnMVVvEt8RVkyFx3kcnKjJPMbpIlYEIUqxRkplbitEbYq5Iri3WL KEs+3mTgxITIyf1XJP3dZyhHeNF1o/7bEdoLv8g5MIoUbYAm9dYQaQAqe7cwDebFJWQP klEp2l2S8dfNDr1Leuny65Mtkqkwv8or5X+HgabC2H/J+e7aaoAjllVE53PNTxRaL7uK Z0/rz5aHlD5ca0jr7Vvbz5Wwwkd2N58ZAihvfyjNFrrtfG8q2AXXo7zlrHF+dT/mnN/N 4qw9dlSmr7+z90wh/OPOrqBVx+8q8ZO+PaKdZ3iQiIA5CAqmXmuKeeIo3Xv3ef+7FToS fZZA== 04FJN+stbsv5EzM9rVEXv6VKwuO+2Vb8f4Vakn4aWQ== c7mr5445666edu.424.1643747972440; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:39:32 -0800 (PST) References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> From: Tom Lofgren Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 12:39:22 -0800 To: rmf3860 rmf3860 Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3448612897416062482== --000000000000ff7ec105d6fae58a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it could be your turn signal switch on the column. Tom '69 TR6 '63 TR4 On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:53 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote: > Thank you all for your help and suggestions. > I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non > functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. > Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 wa= y > hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper an= d > washer, trunk light - everything works. > > What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal > flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next. > > Thanks > Bob Fabie > > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane wrote: > >> Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a >> bugger. I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I= 'm >> reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.) 1= 2V >> has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K >> (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it >> sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the >> Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the = 12V >> from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) >> wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, whe= n >> you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, >> causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down. >> >> The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are >> on the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. >> >> When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S >> to the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal swit= ch >> and then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. >> >> So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a >> switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard >> flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the >> light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch = to >> both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must en= ter >> thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru = the >> flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side. >> >> Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely >> disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually onl= y a >> new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again. >> Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. >> >> A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steerin= g >> column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange th= at >> front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to th= e >> turn signal switch. >> >> Sloane >> 69-Six >> 72-Spit >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY < >> dave1massey@cs.com> >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM >> *To:* bobfabie@gmail.com >> *Cc:* 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> >> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues >> >> OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch >> disconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the tu= rn >> signals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they >> won't work in the hazard mode. I'd start there. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 >> To: DAVID MASSEY >> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> >> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm >> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues >> >> Dave, >> >> Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered ou= t >> the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I >> connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the tra= ns >> back up lights, THEY WORKED! >> >> The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only >> flash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had tur= n signals >> on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and >> hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thought= s >> as to the cause(s) of these issues. >> >> Thanks again for your help. >> >> Bob Fabie >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: >> >> Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master'= s >> handy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 >> volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the >> switch to the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is o= n. >> The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauge= s, >> turn signals so if they work you are probably good. >> >> Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bul= b >> is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause = the >> flasher to flash. >> >> On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The >> sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The >> ground connection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a vol= t >> meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 >> To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> >> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm >> Subject: [6pack] Two Issues >> >> Hello All, >> >> As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running >> beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a >> few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other >> important things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6 >> >> I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two = issues, >> probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. >> >> First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80= =99t work >> at all. >> >> Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a = new back up light >> harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=E2=80=99= t quite figure out >> how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors= in the >> passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires ar= e >> solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are >> almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different >> color thread. >> >> Can anyone help me sort out these issues? >> >> Thanks. >> Bob Fabie >> Fredericksburg, VA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> 6pack@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey@cs.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> 6pack@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tom.lofgren@stanfordalumni.or= g > > --000000000000ff7ec105d6fae58a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If your hazards are working, then it sure seems like it co= uld be your=C2=A0turn signal switch on the column.

Tom
'69 TR6
'63 TR4

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:5= 3 AM rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gma= il.com> wrote:
Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix = the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not = work. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, = 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wipe= r and washer, trunk light - everything works.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal f= lasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.
Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2= 022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.= =C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'= m reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2= =A0 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down.=C2=A0

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completel= y disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only= a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.= =C2=A0 Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.=C2=A0

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch.=C2=A0

Sloane=C2=A0
69-Six
72-Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on b= ehalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: bobfabie= @gmail.com <= bobfabie@gmail.com>
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=C2=A0
OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.=C2=A0 If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0 If the con= tacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.t= eam.net <6= pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si= gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an= d hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there= is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire whic= h feeds power from the switch to the lights.=C2=A0 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.=C2=A0 The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?=C2=A0 If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.=C2=A0 The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.=C2=A0 The ground connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start th= ere.=C2=A0 If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@auto= x.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw= o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80= =99t work at all.=C2=A0

Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed = a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram= but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har= ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Tue, 1 Feb 2022 22:04:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 22:04:46 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "bobfabie@gmail.com" , "im_sloane@hotmail.com" References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0050674805263654447== boundary="----=_Part_4984780_579925779.1643753086597" ------=_Part_4984780_579925779.1643753086597 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check the emergency flasher switch.=C2=A0 Power to the turn signal flasher= passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emerge= ncy flashers are engaged.=C2=A0=20 Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumpe= r them together and see if the turn signals work. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: im sloane Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Thank you all for your help and suggestions.I'm frustrated and a bit overwh= elmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY= electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, = parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake l= ights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything work= s.=20 What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal fl= asher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next. ThanksBob Fabie On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane wrote: Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.= =C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re= ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2=A0 1= 2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (l= ight green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends= 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/Wh= ite to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from be= ing sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire whic= h connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have t= he hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no prob= lem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.=C2=A0 The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0 When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0 So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side= and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green w= ire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the = column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0 Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.=C2=A0 Tur= n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.=C2=A0 A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch.=C2=A0 Sloane=C2=A069-Six72-Spit From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM To: bobfabie@gmail.com Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues=C2=A0OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may b= e the hazard switch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal fl= asher.=C2=A0 If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0= If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard= mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there. Dave=20 -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Dave, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out t= he green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connec= ted it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back u= p lights, THEY WORKED! The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash = on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals= on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and haz= ard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as t= o the cause(s) of these issues. Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's h= andy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12= volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the swi= tch to the lights.=C2=A0 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on= .=C2=A0 The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, = gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good. Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?=C2=A0 If one b= ulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause= the flasher to flash. On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.=C2=A0 The so= ckets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.=C2=A0 The g= round connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start there.=C2=A0 If you have= a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the socke= ts. Dave=20 -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautiful= ly following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, = rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important thing= s interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two iss= ues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0 First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=99t = work at all.=C2=A0 Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a new= back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but = can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness= =E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see th= at two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? t= hread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are so= lid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com ------=_Part_4984780_579925779.1643753086597 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to t= he turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the= power when the emergency flashers are engaged. 

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off o= f the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.


Dave



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From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non= functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. E= verything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way h= azards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and w= asher, trunk light - everything works.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign= al flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1= 1:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=   I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re= ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  1= 2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down. 

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. 

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. 

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side. 

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Tur= n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. 

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch. 

Sloane 
69-Six
72-Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net<= /a>> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: bobfabie@gmail.com <bobfabie@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
 
OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.  The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.  If the contact= s for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave



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To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si= gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an= d hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@c= s.com> wrote:
3D""
Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is = a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which fe= eds power from the switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?  If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.  The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.  The ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start th= ere.  If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw= o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. 

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80= =99t work at all. 

Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed = a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram= but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har= ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Although I've done it at least a couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast). Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Check the emergency flasher switch. Power to the turn signal flasher > passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the > emergency flashers are engaged. > > Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and > jumper them together and see if the turn signals work. > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: im sloane > Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm > Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues > > Thank you all for your help and suggestions. > I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non > functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. > Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 wa= y > hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper an= d > washer, trunk light - everything works. > > What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal > flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next. > > Thanks > Bob Fabie > > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane wrote: > > Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a > bugger. I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'= m > reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.) 12= V > has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K > (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it > sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the > Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 1= 2V > from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) > wire which connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when > you have the hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, > causing no problem if you have the turn signal switch up or down. > > The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are o= n > the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. > > When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S t= o > the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch a= nd > then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. > > So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a > switch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard > flasher on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the > light-green/pink wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch t= o > both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must ent= er > thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru t= he > flasher to the column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side. > > Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely > disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only= a > new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again. > Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. > > A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering > column switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange tha= t > front and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the > turn signal switch. > > Sloane > 69-Six > 72-Spit > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY < > dave1massey@cs.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM > *To:* bobfabie@gmail.com > *Cc:* 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Two Issues > > OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch > disconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the tur= n > signals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they > won't work in the hazard mode. I'd start there. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: DAVID MASSEY > Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm > Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues > > Dave, > > Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out > the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I > connected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the tran= s > back up lights, THEY WORKED! > > The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flas= h > on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signa= ls on the > drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard > module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to > the cause(s) of these issues. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Bob Fabie > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's > handy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 > volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the > switch to the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on= . > The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges= , > turn signals so if they work you are probably good. > > Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bulb > is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause t= he > flasher to flash. > > On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The > sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The > ground connection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a volt > meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmf3860 rmf3860 > To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm > Subject: [6pack] Two Issues > > Hello All, > > As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running > beautifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a > few years, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other > important things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6 > > I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two i= ssues, > probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. > > First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=99= t work at > all. > > Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a n= ew back up light > harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=E2=80=99t= quite figure out > how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors = in the > passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are > solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires are > almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different > color thread. > > Can anyone help me sort out these issues? > > Thanks. > Bob Fabie > Fredericksburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey@cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/dave1massey@cs.com > > --0000000000007a630805d6fc7972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom, Dave et.al,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've d= one it at least a couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate = to have to remove the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and = have to stare at the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to = this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the = right coast).

Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
=
Check the emergency flasher switch.=C2=A0 Power to t= he turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the= power when the emergency flashers are engaged.=C2=A0

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off o= f the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.


Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.t= eam.net <6= pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the= non functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not wor= k. Everything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 w= ay hazards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper a= nd washer, trunk light - everything works.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign= al flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.= =C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'= m reading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2= =A0 12V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down.=C2=A0

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completel= y disassembled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only= a new switch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.= =C2=A0 Turn signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.=C2=A0

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch.=C2=A0

Sloane=C2=A0
69-Six
72-Spit

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OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.=C2=A0 If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0 If the con= tacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there.

Dave



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Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si= gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an= d hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there= is a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire whic= h feeds power from the switch to the lights.=C2=A0 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.=C2=A0 The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?=C2=A0 If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.=C2=A0 The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.=C2=A0 The ground connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start th= ere.=C2=A0 If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw= o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80= =99t work at all.=C2=A0

Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed = a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram= but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har= ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave th= e green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the batte= ry, but I'm brave) to where the green/slate was connected. If the flasher i= s OK and the column switch is OK, they should work left and right. I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc= h connector. It's a PIA. I probably wouldn't go back in there without a br= and-new Hazard switch in hand. Sloane ________________________________ From: rmf3860 rmf3860 Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: im_sloane@hotmail.com ; 6pack@autox.team.net <6p= ack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Tom, Dave et.al, Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a coup= le times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the = big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the p= anoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm = going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast). Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie 1massey@cs.com>> wrote: Check the emergency flasher switch. Power to the turn signal flasher passe= d through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergency fl= ashers are engaged. Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumpe= r them together and see if the turn signals work. Dave -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Thank you all for your help and suggestions. I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non func= tioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. Everyt= hing else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazard= s (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer= , trunk light - everything works. What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal fl= asher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next. Thanks Bob Fabie sloane@hotmail.com>> wrote: Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.= I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm reading= the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.) 12V has to = come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green= / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to th= e Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/White to fla= sh the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from being sent f= rom the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which connects= to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the hazard = pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem if you= have the turn signal switch up or down. The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side= and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green w= ire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the = column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side. Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again. Turn sig= nals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch. Sloane 69-Six 72-Spit ________________________________ m>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM o:bobfabie@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues OK. No turn signals at all may be the hazard switch. The hazard switch di= sconnects the turn signal flasher. If those contacts are dodgy the turn si= gnals won't work. If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't = work in the hazard mode. I'd start there. Dave -----Original Message----- Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Dave, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out t= he green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connec= ted it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back u= p lights, THEY WORKED! The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash = on he driver=92s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals on th= e drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and hazard mo= dule should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the = cause(s) of these issues. Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie e1massey@cs.com>> wrote: [X] Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's h= andy wiring diagrams. As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12 volt= s) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the switch t= o the lights. The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on. The fus= e that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn si= gnals so if they work you are probably good. Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one? If one bulb i= s not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause the = flasher to flash. On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets. The sockets= are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old. The ground conn= ection is the usual suspect. Start there. If you have a volt meter check = for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets. Dave -----Original Message----- Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautiful= ly following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, = rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important thing= s interfered. Imagine that=85 I=92m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issues, p= robably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=92t work a= t all. Second: The back-up lights don=92t work. I=92ve installed a new back up lig= ht harness. I=92ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=92t quite figu= re out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=92 3 bullet connectors i= n the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires= are solid green and the other has a ?red? thread. The main harness wires a= re almost impossible to discern which are solid and which has a different c= olor thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com --_000_BN8PR08MB6241C7BAFD03FE0722D3C8688E279BN8PR08MB6241namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Temporarily bypass the hazard switch by sending a known 12V to the input si= de of the turn signal flasher. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave th= e green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the batte= ry, but I'm brave) to where the green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch is O= K, they should work left and right.   

I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc= h connector. It's a PIA.  I probably wouldn't go back in there without= a brand-new Hazard switch in hand. 

Sloane 

From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <b= obfabie@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: im_sloane@hotmail.com <im_sloane@hotmail.com>; 6pack@autox= .team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
 

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a= couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove= the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at = the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's= after 5 on the right coast).

Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVI= D MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com&g= t; wrote:
Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to th= e turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the = power when the emergency flashers are engaged. 

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off o= f the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.


Dave



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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non= functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. E= verything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way h= azards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything wo= rks.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign= al flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=   I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re= ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  1= 2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down. 

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. 

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. 

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side. 

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Tur= n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. 

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch. 

Sloane 
69-Six
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OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.  The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.  If the contact= s for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave



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Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=92s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals = on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and haza= rd module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is = a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which fe= eds power from the switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?  If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.  The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.  The ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start th= ere.  If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



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Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=85

I=92m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two issu= es, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. 

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=92t w= ork at all. 

Second: The back-up lights don=92t work. I=92ve installed a new back u= p light harness. I=92ve tried to study the wiring diagram but can=92t quite= figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness=92 3 bullet connect= ors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:05:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:05:40 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "im_sloane@hotmail.com" References: <1744957272.3497328.1643374388075@mail.yahoo.com> <1118501223.3840677.1643463536134@mail.yahoo.com> <1841740196.4984781.1643753086603@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7514590373807926845== boundary="----=_Part_5194718_589760825.1643807140120" ------=_Part_5194718_589760825.1643807140120 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good idea.=C2=A0 Consider this the diagnosis phase.=C2=A0 If they work the= n you have a choice.=C2=A0=20 1) Pull the gauges (or just the tach) and fix/replace the switch, or=20 2) Just find an alternate feed (green wire) and let it go at that.=C2=A0=20 The only down side to #2 is that if you engage the flashers with the key of= f AND with the turn signal in the right or left position there will be a cr= oss circuit that will try to feed the green and the white circuits through = the flashers.=C2=A0 I think the flashers will be the weak link but they are= relatively easy to replace. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: im sloane Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues #yiv6598302901 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Temporarily bypass the haza= rd switch by sending a known 12V to the input side of the turn signal flash= er. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave the green/brown wire connecte= d. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the battery, but I'm brave) to where= the green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch = is OK, they should work left and right.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc= h connector. It's a PIA.=C2=A0 I probably wouldn't go back in there without= a brand-new Hazard switch in hand.=C2=A0 Sloane=C2=A0 From: rmf3860 rmf3860 Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: im_sloane@hotmail.com ; 6pack@autox.team.net <6p= ack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues=C2=A0Tom, Dave et.al, Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a coup= le times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove the = big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at the p= anoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm = going to have a bourbon (it's after 5 on the right coast). Thanks again for your help.Bob Fabie On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Check the emergency flasher switch.=C2=A0 Power to the turn signal flasher = passed through that switch which will disconnect the power when the emergen= cy flashers are engaged.=C2=A0 Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off of the switch and jumpe= r them together and see if the turn signals work. Dave=20 -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: im sloane Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Thank you all for your help and suggestions.I'm frustrated and a bit overwh= elmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non functioning turn signals - the ONLY= electrical thing that does not work. Everything else works: - headlights, = parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way hazards (needed new flasher), brake l= ights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything work= s.=20 What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn signal fl= asher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next. ThanksBob Fabie On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane wrote: Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.= =C2=A0 I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re= ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)=C2=A0 1= 2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (l= ight green / pink stripe) wire, and when the switch is pulled out, it sends= 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-side bulbs and also to the Green/Wh= ite to flash the right-side bulbs. This action also removes the 12V from be= ing sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire whic= h connects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have t= he hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no prob= lem if you have the turn signal switch up or down.=C2=A0 The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit.=C2=A0 When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side.=C2=A0 So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side= and G/W side. For the signals to work, voltage must enter thru the Green w= ire and exit the Light-green/Slate wire, making it thru the flasher to the = column switch and down the respective G/R or G/W side.=C2=A0 Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.=C2=A0 Tur= n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out.=C2=A0 A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch.=C2=A0 Sloane=C2=A069-Six72-Spit From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM To: bobfabie@gmail.com Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues=C2=A0OK.=C2=A0 No turn signals at all may b= e the hazard switch.=C2=A0 The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal fl= asher.=C2=A0 If those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.=C2=A0= If the contacts for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard= mode.=C2=A0 I'd start there. Dave=20 -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues Dave, Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered out t= he green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I connec= ted it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans back u= p lights, THEY WORKED! The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only flash = on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn signals= on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module and haz= ard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as t= o the cause(s) of these issues. Thanks again for your help. Bob Fabie On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmission From Dan Master's h= andy wiring diagrams.=C2=A0 As you can see, there is a green wire (fused 12= volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which feeds power from the swi= tch to the lights.=C2=A0 The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on= .=C2=A0 The fuse that feeds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, = gauges, turn signals so if they work you are probably good. Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it just one?=C2=A0 If one b= ulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw enough current to cause= the flasher to flash. On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb sockets.=C2=A0 The so= ckets are notoriously unreliable, especially when they get old.=C2=A0 The g= round connection is the usual suspect.=C2=A0 Start there.=C2=A0 If you have= a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the socke= ts. Dave=20 -----Original Message----- From: rmf3860 rmf3860 To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm Subject: [6pack] Two Issues Hello All, As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beautiful= ly following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few years, = rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important thing= s interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered two iss= ues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing.=C2=A0 First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80=99t = work at all.=C2=A0 Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed a new= back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram but = can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main harness= =E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see th= at two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a ?red? t= hread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which are so= lid and which has a different color thread. Can anyone help me sort out these issues? Thanks.Bob FabieFredericksburg, VA _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack ail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com ------=_Part_5194718_589760825.1643807140120 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good idea.  Consider this the diagnosis phase.&= nbsp; If they work then you have a choice. 

1) Pull the gauges (or just the tach) and fix/replace= the switch, or

2) Just find an alternate feed (green wire) and let i= t go at that. 

The only down side to #2 is that if you engage the fl= ashers with the key off AND with the turn signal in the right or left posit= ion there will be a cross circuit that will try to feed the green and the w= hite circuits through the flashers.  I think the flashers will be the = weak link but they are relatively easy to replace.

Dave



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From: im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Temporarily bypass the hazard switch by sending a known 12V to the input si= de of the turn signal flasher. Disconnect the green/slate wire and leave th= e green/brown wire connected. Put a known hot 12V (I'd just to go the batte= ry, but I'm brave) to where the green/slate was connected. If the flasher is OK and the column switch is O= K, they should work left and right.   

I'm with you on dreading removing the big gauges to get at the hazard switc= h connector. It's a PIA.  I probably wouldn't go back in there without= a brand-new Hazard switch in hand. 

Sloane 

From: rmf3860= rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:32 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: im_sloane@hotmail.com <im_sloane@hotmail.com>; 6pack@autox= .team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
 
Tom, Dave et.al,

Thank you for your continued efforts. Although I've done it at least a= couple times over the past 22 years of ownership, I hate to have to remove= the big dials to give me access to the hazard switch and have to stare at = the panoply of wiring. I just need to chill and return to this tomorrow, so I'm going to have a bourbon (it's= after 5 on the right coast).

Thanks again for your help.
Bob Fabie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at= 5:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Check the emergency flasher switch.  Power to th= e turn signal flasher passed through that switch which will disconnect the = power when the emergency flashers are engaged. 

Or you can pull the two light green/brown wires off o= f the switch and jumper them together and see if the turn signals work.


Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2022 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I'm frustrated and a bit overwhelmed at trying to diagnose/fix the non= functioning turn signals - the ONLY electrical thing that does not work. E= verything else works: - headlights, parking lights, back-up lighst, 4 way h= azards (needed new flasher), brake lights, dash lights, heater, wiper and washer, trunk light - everything wo= rks.

What I know for sure is that neither of the two wires at the turn sign= al flasher are getting voltage. I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks
Bob Fabie


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 11:16 AM im sloane <im_sloane@= hotmail.com> wrote:
Electrical issues can be frustratingly fun. That hazard switch is a bugger.=   I may be restating the obvious, but just in case...(I believe I'm re= ading the schematic correctly, but someone will correct me if not.)  1= 2V has to come in from the hazard flasher, already flashing, on the LG/K (light green / pink stripe) wire, and when t= he switch is pulled out, it sends 12V to the Green/Red to flash the left-si= de bulbs and also to the Green/White to flash the right-side bulbs. This ac= tion also removes the 12V from being sent from the Green wire thru to the LG/S (light green/slate) wire which c= onnects to the steering column directional switch. Thus, when you have the = hazard pulled out, the turn signal circuit has no power, causing no problem= if you have the turn signal switch up or down. 

The hazards are on the Purple (always on) circuit. The turn signals are on = the Green (on with the key switch) circuit. 

When the switch is pushed in, the 12V from Green is passed out the LG/S to = the Turn Signal Flasher, then to the steering column turn signal switch and= then down either the Green/Red side or Green/White side. 

So, two totally different things going on in this one little bugger of a sw= itch. For the hazards to work, you need voltage getting to the hazard flash= er on the purple wire, and making it to the switch on the light-green/pink = wire. This blinking juice must make it thru the switch to both the G/R side and G/W side. For the signals to w= ork, voltage must enter thru the Green wire and exit the Light-green/Slate = wire, making it thru the flasher to the column switch and down the respecti= ve G/R or G/W side. 

Easy huh? On my brother's 73, I've had that little bugger completely disass= embled, soldered wires, cleaned brass contacts, but eventually only a new s= witch fixed it. It would work for 3 weeks and then nothing again.  Tur= n signals always worked. It was the hazard that always went out. 

A car with turn signals working only on one side sounds like the steering c= olumn switch to me. It could be the ground at the bulbs, but strange that f= ront and rear on one side would have the problem, which points me to the tu= rn signal switch. 

Sloane 
69-Six
72-Spit

From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net= > on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 1:38 PM
To: bobfabie@gmail.com <bobfabie@gmail.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues
 
OK.  No turn signals at all may be the hazard sw= itch.  The hazard switch disconnects the turn signal flasher.  If= those contacts are dodgy the turn signals won't work.  If the contact= s for the right side are dodgy they won't work in the hazard mode.  I'd start there.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Two Issues

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. As you suggested, I metered = out the green wires and found the one that was producing 12 volts. When I c= onnected it to the one of the wires in the harness connected to the trans b= ack up lights, THEY WORKED!

The two remaining issuers are: no turn signals, period. Hazards only f= lash on he driver=E2=80=99s side. (Earlier I stated that I only had turn si= gnals on the drivers side, but I was mistaken). A new turn signal module an= d hazard module should arrive this weekend. Please share any other thoughts as to the cause(s) of these issues.

Thanks again for your help.

Bob Fabie

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:53 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@c= s.com> wrote:
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Here is a screen shot of the wiring to the transmissi= on From Dan Master's handy wiring diagrams.  As you can see, there is = a green wire (fused 12 volts) to the switch and a Green/Brown wire which fe= eds power from the switch to the lights.  The Green wire should be hot anytime the key is on.  The fuse that fe= eds it also feeds power to the heater fan, wipers, gauges, turn signals so = if they work you are probably good.

Turn signals: are both lights not working or is it ju= st one?  If one bulb is not lighting up the other bulb will not draw e= nough current to cause the flasher to flash.

On the other hand, it might just be the bulbs or bulb= sockets.  The sockets are notoriously unreliable, especially when the= y get old.  The ground connection is the usual suspect.  Start th= ere.  If you have a volt meter check for voltage on the wires where they plug onto the sockets.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2022 9:09 pm
Subject: [6pack] Two Issues

Hello All,

As you may know from my earlier post, by TR6 is alive and running beau= tifully following an extensive engine rebuild that ended up taking a few ye= ars, rather than the few months I had envisioned. Life and other important = things interfered. Imagine that=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99m now finishing up the final details and have encountered tw= o issues, probably unrelated, that I need your help in diagnosing. 

First: Only my left turn signal works and the hazard light doesn=E2=80= =99t work at all. 

Second: The back-up lights don=E2=80=99t work. I=E2=80=99ve installed = a new back up light harness. I=E2=80=99ve tried to study the wiring diagram= but can=E2=80=99t quite figure out how the 3 wires connect to the main har= ness=E2=80=99 3 bullet connectors in the passenger foot well area. I can see that two of the new harness wires are solid green and the other has a = ?red? thread. The main harness wires are almost impossible to discern which= are solid and which has a different color thread.

Can anyone help me sort out these issues?

Thanks.
Bob Fabie
Fredericksburg, VA

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Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3455091134860812849== boundary="----=_Part_460992_1102713117.1645237206715" ------=_Part_460992_1102713117.1645237206715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There has been traffic.=C2=A0 Not much but some. Dave=20 =20 On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 19:44, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote:= Hello All, Don=E2=80=99t need anything, but haven=E2=80=99t seen any mail from the gro= up for a couple weeks. Has anyone else been receiving any mail? Thanks.Bob . _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack @cs.com =20 ------=_Part_460992_1102713117.1645237206715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There has been traffic.  Not much but some.

Dave

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Hell= o All,

Don=E2=80=99t need anything, but haven=E2= =80=99t seen any mail from the group for a couple weeks. Has anyone else be= en receiving any mail?

Thanks.
Bob
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------=_Part_530982_980021945.1645273543983-- --===============0699527317786663846== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 6pack@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack --===============0699527317786663846==-- From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 19 05:50:25 2022 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7CFA0D72 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 05:50:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vs1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.217.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CEBA0D08 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 05:50:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vs1-f49.google.com with SMTP id d11so8829542vsm.5 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 04:50:07 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QaClkUdraENkD+CKnJbXW0N3QXFT8TqNX8yAUpKeP+A=; b=ZRbIvlb26y5bQCnkowplEcvXwrlLvv3c9UdgxfJPmOa1z+2eRqIPvAP8gVMeRZrgLX 5YScr2Lp2kYcB5XAa/I5fl1IyCr9lQGUQWc3IefTDQ9wznxlc3mGzyOeC3kx5It/c9A8 wq0vDopXPadKvWHT1yZ7sMKr4l49TWbjVy7/ljVc/LGvo0Kp1I6OCRp52/cnwsfpZoDb BoQ7b+4zsotFOZ5TPN7Fx4AbftijHoPDC17sIkwZ516G+ilahFSZPlmyoJfB6iuXEYa5 LuOVDDXJRKC8HuIMIrIaY1wPLu+jAv7FxHzm81oCnJ3sPyYX3HjcbOskKD3jC9wDn1yk JnnQ== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QaClkUdraENkD+CKnJbXW0N3QXFT8TqNX8yAUpKeP+A=; b=wh+qCsR7kUxVydtEzuY5TT78mXlAzX/jMdkVDwLCj3SEfEA6pNLaFAn/MnUz1LNCFu ax7yDgfcH7MRtrGw/4VYR9GgepjLRloKfg1+K294Guou1vE/Zlk7OJDIWOHvAFTvVN+J ekYBum7bB2QhpMnekgIE8BtKzro3GD0XxAd7GUlYL//yP46WIEEQklCwPsnkQXKDBJ3I jqzTYwMmi8U0q6KWclTMnZbm0/WN8T6qjqgiXh09x+BuQ3CtjSSuoSqlS6gcfQbJnFZm 9p0FTRSDrSOFMXxjjc8aSTzcfBgi9u2c3/7x0QpIKabtn18Xf3dmOXTfVOmP/vsbeJhF R1RA== sW/o3yRiZg/iwos4iDZ6/Y259/c9+4IQC9kLjzg= x1-20020a67c081000000b0031b8d097e25mr4901779vsi.42.1645275006769; Sat, 19 Feb 2022 04:50:06 -0800 (PST) References: <1031610819.530983.1645273543984.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1031610819.530983.1645273543984@mail.yahoo.com> From: rmf3860 rmf3860 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 06:49:56 -0600 To: DAVID MASSEY Subject: Re: [6pack] test Cc: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6635286790508682962== --000000000000561f1205d85e7073 I got it!! Thanks Dave. Bob Fabie On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 6:26 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Test for Bob Fabie. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > 6pack@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie@gmail.com > > --000000000000561f1205d85e7073 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Test for Bob Fabie.

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Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:12:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:12:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Yahoo To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <2066658663.1543583.1645560741137.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [6pack] question for 6packers if too quiet Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0685836675227444896== boundary="----=_Part_1543582_1665716067.1645560741136" ------=_Part_1543582_1665716067.1645560741136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the= drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease=C2=A0 nippl= e.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Advice or tricks=C2=A0 on accomplishing this?=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Easy to do if hub is off the car.Thank you,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bruce 73 tr6 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ------=_Part_1543582_1665716067.1645560741136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease  nipple.     Advice or tricks  on accomplishing this?   Easy to do if hub is off the car.
Thank you,    Bruce 73 tr6

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I suppose it's obv= ious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild. Sloane 69-Six 72-Spit ________________________________ From: 6pack <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Yahoo Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:12 PM To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [6pack] question for 6packers if too quiet I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and the= drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease nipple. = Advice or tricks on accomplishing this? Easy to do if hub is off the c= ar. Thank you, Bruce 73 tr6 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android --_000_BN8PR08MB62412558667631C0204D3B3B8E3C9BN8PR08MB6241namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 u-joints, unless you ha= ve a hole cut in your wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's obv= ious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild. 

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From: 6pack <6pack-bounc= es@autox.team.net> on behalf of Yahoo <brucesimms2003@yahoo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:12 PM
To: 6pack@autox.team.net <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] question for 6packers if too quiet
 
I've always had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub an= d the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see the grease  = nipple.     Advice or tricks  on accomplishing this?&nb= sp;  Easy to do if hub is off the car.
Thank you,    Bruce 73 tr6

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I always remove the outer axles to grease the outer u-joi= nt. I find it usually pays to take the brake drum off to check stuff so it&= #39;s no big deal to pull the outer axles.=C2=A0 Plus you get to make sure = the studs for the hub attachment are not stripped. You can also use the opp= ortunity to clean up the brake dust.=C2=A0

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I suppose it's obv= ious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild. Sloane 69-Six 72-Spit All,In light of machining a hole in the trailing arm does anyone have a dim= ension to do this?=C2=A0 I have extra Trailing arms and may look into this = and then put in a rubber plug when not servicing.=C2=A0 J. Patrick Bloem68 TR-25073 TR-6=20 On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 02:01:53 PM EST, 6pack-request@autox.t= eam.net <6pack-request@autox.team.net> wrote: =20 =20 Send 6pack mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/6pack or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6pack-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6pack digest..." 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I always remov= e the outer axles to grease the outer u-joint. I find it
usually pays to take the brake drum off to check stuff so it's no = big deal
to pull the outer axles.  Plus you = get to make sure the studs for the hub
attachment= are not stripped. You can also use the opportunity to clean up
the brake dust.

C ya
Bob Lang
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 1:42 AM im sloane <im_sloane@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've always heard it's impossible to grease those 2 = u-joints, unless you
> have a hole cut in your= wishbones at just the right place. I suppose it's
> obvious that you'd want to just replace them during a hub rebuild.
>
> Sloane
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> I've always= had trouble greasing the ujoint that joins the rear hub and
> the drive shaft. Access is quite limited and I cant see th= e grease
> nipple.    Advice or tri= cks  on accomplishing this?  Easy to do if hub is
> off the car.
> Thank you,&nbs= p;   Bruce 73 tr6
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Thank you.=C2=A0
Bob F.=C2=A0
Fredericksburg, V= A
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Thanks, Dave. I=E2=80=99m looking for original aluminum o= nes.=C2=A0

Bob

On We= d, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:14 PM dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
I have a pretty good set of 4 chrome


-------- Original message --------
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
Date: 2/23/22 9:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring

Any chance someone has one (or two) original aluminum beauty rings in = excellent condition for sale?

Thank you.=C2=A0
Bob F.=C2=A0
Fredericksburg, VA
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Bob,

I've got a set of 4 original aluminum trim rings available but I don't want to break up the set.  If you can use the set, we can negotiate a price.

Chuck
Xenia, OH


On 2/23/2022 10:30 PM, rmf3860 rmf3860 wrote:
Thanks, Dave. I’m looking for original aluminum ones. 

Bob

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:14 PM dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
I have a pretty good set of 4 chrome


-------- Original message --------
From: rmf3860 rmf3860 <bobfabie@gmail.com>
Date: 2/23/22 9:03 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [6pack] Need One Aluminum Wheel Trim Ring

Any chance someone has one (or two) original aluminum beauty rings in excellent condition for sale?

Thank you. 
Bob F. 
Fredericksburg, VA

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