From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 22 09:02:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27690403F8 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from NAGURSKI.anl.gov (nagurski.anl.gov [146.137.81.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89832403ED for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BUTKUS.anl.gov ([fe80::a818:5e68:956f:50f9]) by NAGURSKI.anl.gov ([2002:9289:5116::9289:5116]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:01:58 -0500 From: "Wiencek, Thomas" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , Alpines Thread-Topic: [Alpines] Back from the Salt Wars Thread-Index: Acogh13pa0NETjAMT/qm/fgp/ESDi4j9gg2A Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:01:58 +0000 References: <4A86D359.4080809@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [146.137.81.41] Subject: Re: [Alpines] Back from the Salt Wars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe you should try a diesel engine in your Sunbeam? http://www.bankspower.com/projects/show/3-sidewinder-dakota 222 MPH!!!! _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 07:32:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8EC40572 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE14403E9 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 29A28700FB6E6 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ddb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ddb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.77]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D7513E00008D for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) From: WSuman@aol.com Full-name: WSuman Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) To: alpines@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377610330; bh=7NJJAsa6UHovJFaPSmCdUBKJiSIVBTOrVVtDPBS/F8A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OZ/snWx6OdR/T0TQc0jXQphBrRuE2JNS0OIt8SN2cDGAT6LEKG1C274lAdOR9+kCa E8fUEaO5UaWNugJYU3nNECD9+mCdOt065fpnNrTcpf5aYjZF3panjI7MpiipI/A6I1 VHcPQGi+YuXB29hqvRm9seZqb8LPJIKpyO/Nw930= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e521caa59780d Subject: [Alpines] New Head Bolts / Studs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net I'm keen on replacing the 40+ year old bolts in my 1725, after blowing a new head gasket. I've even heard of them breaking before reaching specified torque. None of my usual suppliers have replacements. (SS, CS or VB) ARP offers fine to coarse studs, not the fine to fine thread on the stock motor. (will studs fit under the rocker assembly?). Any thoughts on torquing with a coarse thread pitch? I'm open to solutions current, or historic. Nothing found in my searches. Anyone with a box of NOS bolts? Extra studs? Thank you, Walt '67 S-V _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 07:52:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D395406A5 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A95540401 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 41347700F5E31 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mma005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mma005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.191.145]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C16C1E000088; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:52:34 -0400 (EDT) References: <4291a.3275c29d.3f4e0459@aol.com> To: WSuman@aol.com, alpines@autox.team.net From: jacranwell@aol.com Received: from 83.244.193.130 by webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.29) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:52:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:52:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377611555; bh=vRMOmhtOW05Ais2SrR0/afskp1KdgpTNTUyMPeAy/3g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DXq1FIB10CuVG/EWYzyvnPaUGDZXfxiHdE1ssZJ85zVIuRiaSBawf4vp+2y+ssf/o LF/h/NRP9NSl0HrOCnR75Vr4Nh7rS3eRr3MsfeMszrikJPf4u24kGNCdo4z3H6z+4k eGvCVmUr7v0Y3hxCBNymha5ABaG1DjruaD8e8880= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c521caf223378 Subject: Re: [Alpines] New Head Bolts / Studs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Walt, The standard studs, threads, and nuts have always worked for me. A key part of the procedure for re-installing the head is to completely clean the stud/bolt channels, as a build-up of crud causes the bolt to bottom out on the crud, before fully tightening down the head, even if the max torque setting has been reached. The correct tightening sequence is also important, as is a re-torque after 1,000 miles or so. A great solution would be to use the single-use bolts, which use a stretch shoulder to ensure they do not come loose, as used on most modern cars. However, I doubt they are available in anything but metric options. Jules. -----Original Message----- From: WSuman To: alpines Sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:32 Subject: [Alpines] New Head Bolts / Studs? I'm keen on replacing the 40+ year old bolts in my 1725, after blowing a new head gasket. I've even heard of them breaking before reaching specified torque. None of my usual suppliers have replacements. (SS, CS or VB) ARP offers fine to coarse studs, not the fine to fine thread on the stock motor. (will studs fit under the rocker assembly?). Any thoughts on torquing with a coarse thread pitch? I'm open to solutions current, or historic. Nothing found in my searches. Anyone with a box of NOS bolts? Extra studs? Thank you, Walt '67 S-V _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jacranwell@aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 08:49:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B00340C02 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FABE40572 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.174] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 14:47:32 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.242] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 14:47:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 14:47:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 64578 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2013 14:47:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377614851; bh=sv8jgyk2WzRfd9NwVBRjh/eVwH+Ax4JQv5qFTn1tkTI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kr+b5MSYoJgVsskHM9yZsj25iMbwi6WeshA/30NIBdZZ8ihM7mAtUHXJ/jC3v1UwMLp2bXebgpnEzoArisjxQuIAhTaN9cGnk1P8ZngOr/2ImZ/lRmw7rG4/JcHDU2J4fuQ/rN3NEHpjdksXwugAxo8gugvJiw38+xh6D4hBiKE= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LERlfAkW9I00TtTzU9crbBSUmiY3jDEAUP49cKMLDM/siuKftL6k4ZGIcRlGCirFeSH9BwozJqwJ17q82RXWcpSWdPjmEBlmwiJUhVRHnE6yx7vLouWHeBJH1wUYoQmJx++VvJ67peCkE7eOftpC2qMxtNrDD7Qf48FqBJegRTE=; 1lBaX3HRt3vqy9y.LcgapPe_hUxLbXauVIEy6RU7hxWZAkJToofkOKaw2orR h.1gUf6JyoGWIitcM7QJUlo8K6.93zR.XeLGwG9oxXducE7CEDch.romglMc qBayCMjcuYekBX34e4bbeMjv.CjQWKIY1p2qvQMj63cYDuQfmtdUcc7ozIuO DsG7JL_mY67Klu71o3XoXdjik41hYQC1MJBuI9EFWu2_xswTDx0CfReO4BLA 58j2AYJlAOekLoudL1uGiox7G6T45NsD5DZUUkxX4fEKsQtNobNE5.TUAazA C0tucLYfEFlwl8_CsYuu4Keg46rcHvXbkfWvp04_3Z9RP8fdKPpJ6Lq5.tp6 kcdFohgmM6mi9QDBymCzm23ThwRyU4Ri8fLNgp5pKnmxhflq3G5nvnRVj2Kp hKRpNW7uvatYtkpOC6BRuqMcKwE66sPQrpb0YEJ8rzVLaYWL8v4LI.tGz9Jc UdkmpJLuhTEPOhwhw983KjDVx2PA_.pFVMWuhGDMT3jHbTnXZQ66pMPgUZ2y x1O3z3Hb05X40y_uYhK6zMJTzuh.WTHpUrrUI5ecySxTXnxW4456GRh6QWhd vCmXUyO31zGdgAyA_Tg-- Received: from [99.46.224.51] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:47:31 PDT TmV2ZXIgZm91bmQgYSByZXBsYWNlbWVudCBoZWFkIGJvbHQgYnV0IHR3byB0aGluZyB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byBkbyB0byBoZWxwIHdpdGggdGhlIGJsb3duIGhlYWQgZ2Fza2V0cyBhcmUuLi4uIHdoZW4geW91IGhhdmUgdGhlIG1hY2hpbmUgd29yayBkb25lIG9uIHlvdXIgaGVhZCBoYXZlIHRoZW0gbWFjaGluZSB0aGUgc3VyZmFjZSB1bmRlciB0aGUgd2FzaGVyIGZvciB0aGUgaGVhZCBib2x0LiB0aGlzIHdheSBpdCBpcyBmbGF0LCB0aGV5IGp1c3QgbmVlZCB0byB0b3VjaCBvZmYgb24gaXQgYW5kIHRha2Ugbm8BMAEBAQE- References: <4291a.3275c29d.3f4e0459@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: james ellis To: "WSuman@aol.com" , "alpines@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Alpines] New Head Bolts / Studs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Never found a replacement head bolt but two thing you want to do to help with the blown head gaskets are.... when you have the machine work done on your head have them machine the surface under the washer for the head bolt. this way it is flat, they just need to touch off on it and take no more material off than required to flatten the surface. Next head to Fastenal and buy some replacement head bolt washers, they have two versions one is of 50 cents or less each the other is a buck or two the cheaper on is fine it just does not have the edge machined rounded. ________________________________ From: "WSuman@aol.com" To: alpines@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: [Alpines] New Head Bolts / Studs? I'm keen on replacing the 40+ year old bolts in my 1725, after blowing a new head gasket. I've even heard of them breaking before reaching specified torque. None of my usual suppliers have replacements. (SS, CS or VB) ARP offers fine to coarse studs, not the fine to fine thread on the stock motor. (will studs fit under the rocker assembly?). Any thoughts on torquing with a coarse thread pitch? I'm open to solutions current, or historic. Nothing found in my searches. Anyone with a box of NOS bolts? Extra studs? Thank you, Walt '67 S-V _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $17.25 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/hunber@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 13:37:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B8C406A1 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8445740453 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W42 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:32:04 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: Alpines Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 12:32:03 -0700 FILETIME=[1C34E3B0:01CEA35C] Subject: Re: [Alpines] New Head Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net I solved my head gasket problems on my high comp race motor by taking them up to 7/16" and used ARP bolts. With the higher torque value I never had anymore trouble. Brent _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 13:43:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A48B4052E for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133CF40453 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6ED54700362EE; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mma005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mma005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.191.145]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2859AE000082; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JACranwell@aol.com Full-name: JACranwell Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) To: banana111@msn.com, alpines@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1377632577; bh=55a6rDD3frqVW04klSUMhx89O9ouRZnOUEXFDyf0aFw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L09sG/pngDsxraIgPjRBAxJ6FufMsFo1R0CsRIoXDlmZa3rbKewosBhkgX7YdcARO xrUoRH5onx684zpBDuA1Nm7yWh3vo+Wk/mOHK9CsdrlJGFurwoTao0g01lvq4C3E+U XlKa5IoERTnwLosPbr9ikPOMDCvETyERLnoohbpg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a521d0141524b Subject: Re: [Alpines] New Head Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Brent, Do you have a full spec for the bolts, e.g. length, as I may want to go this route, but do not want to remove the head before the work. Jules. _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 12:51:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E461040442 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:51:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECDE40413 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU169-W8 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:51:26 -0700 From: Brent Edinger To: Alpines Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:51:26 -0700 References: , FILETIME=[996A3920:01CEA41F] Subject: [Alpines] FW: New Head Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net From: banana111@msn.com To: jacranwell@aol.com Subject: RE: [Alpines] New Head Bolts Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:47:01 -0700 I couldn't find any old spare bolts around. (though I know I would never throw anything out that could still be used some day) The stock head bolts have a 3.25" length shank. If you go to the back of the ARP catalog page 89 has 7/16-14 bolts in chromoly. ARP can provide the torque application numbers. You should back out a head bolt and check how much thread is engaged into the block by measuring how high it sits when it is all the way loose. Then you can determine if you need a longer shank bolt. You will have to ream the holes up in the gasket and I think I had to open up a couple holes in the head as well so it would align properly. It's not too tough of a job and when it's done there should be no more head gasket problems. Brent From: JACranwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:42:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alpines] New Head Bolts To: banana111@msn.com; alpines@autox.team.net Hi Brent, Do you have a full spec for the bolts, e.g. length, as I may want to go this route, but do not want to remove the head before the work. Jules. _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 06:24:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBEC4044C for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D00403F8 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 06:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bb6118.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.97.24]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0MSA00E1IL4C7D50@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for alpines@autox.team.net; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:24:22 -0400 From: Mototron To: Alpine List References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Subject: Re: [Alpines] FW: New Head Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net You have to open up the holes in the head to 7/16" the stock bolts are 3/8" as well as the gasket use the stock torque spec on the arp studs not the arp spec torque the head will deform under the higher torque spec and the gasket will blow out sooner if your motor is stock there is no need to use the larger bolts and its a bad idea to change the bolts and not remove the head On 8/28/2013 2:51 PM, Brent Edinger wrote: > From: banana111@msn.com > To: jacranwell@aol.com > Subject: RE: [Alpines] New Head Bolts > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:47:01 -0700 > > > > > I couldn't find any old spare bolts around. (though I know I would never > throw anything out that could still be used some day) > The stock head bolts have a 3.25" length shank. If you go to the back of the > ARP catalog > page 89 has 7/16-14 bolts in chromoly. ARP can provide the torque application > numbers. > You should back out a head bolt and check how much thread is engaged into the > block by > measuring how high it sits when it is all the way loose. Then you can > determine if you need a longer shank bolt. > You will have to ream the holes up in the gasket and I think I had to open up > a couple > holes in the head as well so it would align properly. It's not too tough of a > job and when it's > done there should be no more head gasket problems. > > Brent > > From: JACranwell@aol.com > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:42:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alpines] New Head Bolts > To: banana111@msn.com; alpines@autox.team.net > > > > > > > Hi Brent, > > Do you have a full spec for the bolts, e.g. length, as I may > want to go > this route, but do not want to remove the head before the work. > Jules. > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/mototron@optonline.net _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 30 12:41:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A340517 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6FA40396 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k18so2696834oag.26 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XIwRuCqALNo5RHC6WzxlahVcLsWPrfUf+Udvie450Hw=; b=e5QmQvZ51F+Ehgvs2gc2goAbxL20eT92Ii/uFvvxFZJytMIJ1H+gttEVHaoFO2UcGV xl/jiqu/DvrxvNtXtZX1y7Who+YDolW8KS3U/Gw9OJChgKqQbEW99Y/0YYnZdjW9dI2n eH5BPBjouA3G3kC2eOK/ffh/FNBs6NEIxjMInCUmjxjtqjKrEPEpEOekojHudhw2a2PI Qiijy+IQ44Hp/5nFetgSxpJ+hujhnY9fb5w2Ojky3ERWTP0uF26Og8t6Zmyoe29Yw6oN K+xtRFxxBLwD7OtTlS3rkaM/pjS+ZD5QX99YPnJOvLjaj/GsHfw/YfTDSMPVYIBvuJbS jG4Q== j2mr7842611obr.2.1377888046574; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.90.164 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:40:46 -0700 From: Barry Hayes To: alpines Subject: [Alpines] Series V Bumper YET AGAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net I have *really* pulled the trigger on repairing the Alpine V from the rear-ender now almost two years ago. And so now I do in fact need a rear bumper. "Unbent and needs chrome" should be just fine. I'm in the greater San Jose, CA area; shipping could well cost more than the bumper itself. -- bhayes yat cs dot stanford dot edu is what you should put in your contact files -- it'll forward to me no matter where I move _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive