From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 8 22:47:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55BE4044E for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:47:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 073114042E for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:37:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.117] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.153] by tm108.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:34:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2013 05:34:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 32355 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2013 05:34:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1386567266; bh=5LgFCQ/38yWiRBtT88kEo6/3ga+662j7TaQVShKM5V8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bmhMNO30BVDzJX+7aXXUtVr6tNkDWDaZfFt/8dRF1GXC85cM7cXskVxszuL0lB62vNFOhvKOtYEeu4Vg1Rv9qUSIHQiS8fi8xEz7XZAR8XtKKBW/HeawCuchKXPnhTDp3/KxucJxqpers1+6Fgb/lAlvrp3PC49+tbRx0Y8nwD4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=316adK85s0you63/PxJH7Oa1oTP0nwv8GA0kK8hLpSa7N9GRxZ6NExMUI2KJcoX1fwA5OtAyjpwLbu2zSyIHN7G0732cvYyKLXIgrX4B71L1lbpAFuH0xcsqZEnKRtUbWSivMDOIftzsmdaHqqLtjoQK01WapSaPtXeg++Qk6Gs=; j5TMZnIIGqKT8xr41ZoMu.BF_..ghWq1uAJp2OQ4Ii6KmJSh2iUGyVhSfVkt Vg_2vWPp391k64eDJVb7IMzuPDDFYl5jQG6Jv_ZfjRxTbKm_hV9fOcF_cW2p bWLCkIsW2nBDR.RDH.ENx9_XUaXIoHDuxP7taUfWlqDi7qvopSSG09D1709q hKhSgSJj3DnDF4OMX41KIarpNYdr5iBeIHYfdK159JUzEycl4A5Brm9ZrEAU 6XQTQYSUbRgJ_jmhr9UlM_6Gj7bEJUQEP1nJoCrpF.XYIHXp4gfReAHfgInN H1tJYD4py.bWEeLrg6dk0rfBjK2ssb4yJQLPlODfL3PREaTF6C2O6gvif0sx XWz93ltD8JxpzgT0FZvpvkXUwXVtGZSBCQYMEJE7SZvNHoYima4R4xX_JiYA OwzOlUUmWT874_L.weKDj6psAMdFHp3TqcLnA6LvU3VkIAoR1EEw8bw5hXei RoQCV9i6WiYEEww1Y68vabcEW0Mz1yNUEfkqayupKDYo64YLB_TTYT_14 Received: from [173.48.171.211] by web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 21:34:26 PST Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 21:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "alpines@autox.team.net" Subject: [Alpines] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net test _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 05:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F204540450 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 05:22:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (unknown [64.59.134.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2CD40424 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 04:56:15 -0700 (MST) cv=jhVCqOCcONDhIh1w2GEjcBn40ITekX4NlKMVE0oiDkw= c=1 sm=1 a=X0Pn44Fe9QYA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=jYDdP9uI55xEpSxOkt5L/w==:17 a=3hWZVYM4VG47aUDjybsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fYg5j2jEnjoA:10 a=cGLJKN5DJ9EA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO G5Computer.local) ([184.64.89.64]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2013 04:53:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 04:53:14 -0700 From: Mary and Ron Tebo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: snakebit289 , alpines References: <1386567266.69698.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Alpines] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net We're still here! Ron Tebo On Sunday08/12/13 10:34 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > test _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 10:20:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882734301E for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:20:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.innova.net (mx1.innova.net [65.5.144.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B344054A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99-102-157-229.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net ([99.102.157.229] helo=boxweed) by mx1.innova.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Vq3Rp-0007b2-62 for alpines@autox.team.net; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:12:41 -0500 From: "boxweed" To: References: <1386567266.69698.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <52A5AF2A.7090600@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:12:16 -0500 Subject: [Alpines] Book of Norman Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a copy of the "Book of Norman" who wouldn't mind scanning the "Here Come The Judge" chapter and e-mailing it to me? I'd be willing to pay up to $50 for a copy of this chapter, which is about 45 pages, I believe. Thanks, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary and Ron Tebo" To: "snakebit289" ; "alpines" Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Alpines] test > We're still here! > > Ron Tebo > On Sunday08/12/13 10:34 PM, snakebit289 wrote: >> test > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/boxweed@thebest.net _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 11:12:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003584301A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:12:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f174.google.com (mail-ve0-f174.google.com [209.85.128.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00B5403BB for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f174.google.com with SMTP id pa12so3777570veb.19 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:23:46 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yTF9DwVTBQ9rblbNu8myILi03OCNKdZZR7osztr3qSM=; b=zkm+y83fLsJq2ZtqyaM8oesFJa1o5WB0Z3t/LSmUrEeuhiiN5A3oCDbvU+Reo2EXYE /9hPgAYg1h0VvYgmQw4Q4WDJ+2CRaNfxYLvHQhA5lBRnXZgTThpMh2X/rj78PUd0tYEZ Iip7L+VKWX6u5jlS6tY1uQxB2d/c7clfP81GYfrexYEe8aj9RKTd4Fj9pXb6qveW0ANb jqtv3YrsN16t4aPFPRe0ajeDinhp+1p3ZN5r2Hb/pWpbnCyqwsHXm1gbroRCfWgKfAD/ tWgwhZTN/1P8Zw6mtzjcH7eu0TbZEW+rUfTvKLsaISvnu2m1R2Qj4XloY0pNAhCnSVl5 pd2A== Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.189.165 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.189.165 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:23:46 -0800 (PST) References: <1386567266.69698.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <52A5AF2A.7090600@shaw.ca> <7BC3B5CA41FF44E1B1C517879AAD67AF@boxweed> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 12:23:46 -0500 From: Chip Broadbooks To: boxweed Cc: alpines@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Alpines] Book of Norman Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Which is a complete violation of copyright laws. You should just email Norm directly and see if he will copy and send it to you. On Dec 9, 2013 12:18 PM, "boxweed" wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of the "Book of Norman" who wouldn't mind scanning > the "Here Come The Judge" chapter and e-mailing it to me? I'd be willing > to pay up to $50 for a copy of this chapter, which is about 45 pages, I > believe. > > Thanks, > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary and Ron Tebo" > To: "snakebit289" ; "alpines" < > alpines@autox.team.net> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 6:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Alpines] test > > > We're still here! >> >> Ron Tebo >> On Sunday08/12/13 10:34 PM, snakebit289 wrote: >> >>> test >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpines@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $17.25 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/alpines/boxweed@thebest.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/chip. > broadbooks@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 21:53:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE37C42F1D for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:53:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB7A42EEE for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY179-W14 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:47:23 -0800 From: DAVID GREEN To: "alpines@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:47:22 -0700 FILETIME=[137CF6C0:01CEFAE3] Subject: [Alpines] S1 Window guides wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for at least one pair of series 1 Alpine window supports that are chrome and bolt to the front top edge of the doors. I really need 2 that are not cracked and in decent shape. Bad chrome is no problem. Please contact me of list. Thanks Dave alpdavegre@msn.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 16 23:46:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B6A42F86 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:46:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE8D429B9 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:45:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from auriPC (a88-112-86-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.112.86.147]) by emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A19F1A26CC for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:42:05 +0200 (EET) From: "Lauri Lehtinen" To: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:42:04 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac768xkkVHSAADdqQ/+YbbD85qTARg== Content-Language: fi Subject: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, folks, I will visit to San Diego at the end of January. Is there something special I should not miss, aviation or car museum or something like that? #auri Lehtinen journalist, engineer +358 400 851988 _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 06:27:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA0042F0A for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:27:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C259140079 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:23:43 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=MmKA2hT4PBKL7/D+qEwVcsmTP5bHBhC6vgsfXe7bRv+IJnPBQ6sPOOrRRPBLJLMV; h=Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [166.170.59.81] (helo=[10.238.219.11]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VsuZ3-0003cB-1M; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:19:57 -0500 References: <00de01cefaf3$196ec5d0$4c4c5170$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> From: Allan Ballard Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:19:56 -0500 To: Lauri Lehtinen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net San Diego Zoo Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:42 AM, "Lauri Lehtinen" wrote: > > Hello, folks, > > I will visit to San Diego at the end of January. Is there something special > I should not miss, aviation or car museum or something like that? > > > > #auri Lehtinen > > journalist, engineer > > +358 400 851988 > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 07:56:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8BC42FA7 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:56:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87F042AC2 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:28:09 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bZso5G5r5+daSMpOIOnR90ZZQD9C5tW1HyQWo7oObOkq4P0BErTqm6T/XJ3gtzgt; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [184.96.90.140] (helo=[192.168.0.110]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VsvYr-0005mp-5F for alpines@autox.team.net; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:23:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:23:53 -0700 From: Jarrid Gross User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/25.0 To: alpines@autox.team.net References: <00de01cefaf3$196ec5d0$4c4c5170$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> Subject: Re: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Lauri, There is a naval ship museum there with a tour of the ships in the harbor. On 12/16/2013 11:42 PM, Lauri Lehtinen wrote: > Hello, folks, > > I will visit to San Diego at the end of January. Is there something special > I should not miss, aviation or car museum or something like that? > > > > #auri Lehtinen > > journalist, engineer > > +358 400 851988 > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jarrid_gross@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 09:29:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF4342F0A for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:29:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from LUCKMAN.anl.gov (luckman.anl.gov [146.137.81.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7074D4003F for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from BUTKUS.anl.gov ([fe80::a818:5e68:956f:50f9]) by LUCKMAN.anl.gov ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0347.000; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 08:57:00 -0600 From: "Wiencek, Thomas" To: Allan Ballard , Lauri Lehtinen Thread-Topic: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Thread-Index: Ac768xkkVHSAADdqQ/+YbbD85qTARgAad8MAAAkz6xA= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:56:59 +0000 References: <00de01cefaf3$196ec5d0$4c4c5170$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> <14C53822-90E3-4E24-8B1A-EBA7202BCCF0@ix.netcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [146.137.81.41] Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net If Smitty is still in business you should visit his shop and parts pile. -----Original Message----- From: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:20 AM To: Lauri Lehtinen Cc: Subject: Re: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? San Diego Zoo Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:42 AM, "Lauri Lehtinen" > wrote: > > Hello, folks, > > I will visit to San Diego at the end of January. Is there something > special I should not miss, aviation or car museum or something like that? > > > > #auri Lehtinen > > journalist, engineer > > +358 400 851988 > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/wiencek@anl.gov _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 09:51:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A5E42FCC for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:51:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FE0400A5 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131217161413.YYSN4705.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:14:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([68.110.90.18]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id 2gED1n00U0PlYKG01gEDNL; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:14:13 -0500 a=cDpMYNQHkb0mP1BtYptpag==:17 a=7N2hENjDmNMA:10 a=b4E4pxuZ3O4A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=fb_6JPM_KvIA:10 a=BQmii-pkJyHx9eWxufsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=NMMJiUOITLfJSeYW:21 a=HG00gHfz01d-xScE:21 a=cDpMYNQHkb0mP1BtYptpag==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:14:12 -0700 From: fastsage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: alpines@autox.team.net References: <00de01cefaf3$196ec5d0$4c4c5170$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> <2eu91n0100NyJgq01euAAY> Subject: Re: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hello in Finland: If Smitty's Sunbeam is still in business in San Diego, you have to go there. Smitty's shop is a huge warehouse that looks (looked?) like the old Rootes factory blew up and all the parts landed in Smitty's shop. He knows Sunbeams and how they work as well as anyone, and it's amazing looking at the shelves to see all the Sunbeam stuff he has. I don't have his contact info anymore, so could someone else on the list here let us know if he's still there, and give his shop address and phone number? Steve Sage On 12/17/2013 7:23 AM, Jarrid Gross wrote: > Lauri, > > There is a naval ship museum there with a tour of the ships in the > harbor. > > > > On 12/16/2013 11:42 PM, Lauri Lehtinen wrote: >> Hello, folks, >> >> I will visit to San Diego at the end of January. Is there something >> special >> I should not miss, aviation or car museum or something like that? >> >> >> >> #auri Lehtinen >> >> journalist, engineer >> >> +358 400 851988 >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 10:25:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1EE42F92 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:25:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.demon.co.uk (mdfmta010.mxout.tch.inty.net [91.221.169.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F62B4003A for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:08:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mdfmta010.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta010.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BE9401349 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:04:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdfmta010.tch.inty.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mdfmta010.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDBB4013C4 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:04:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.92] (unknown [86.185.80.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mdfmta010.tch.inty.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:04:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:04:25 +0000 From: Jeff Howarth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: alpines@autox.team.net References: <00de01cefaf3$196ec5d0$4c4c5170$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> <2eu91n0100NyJgq01euAAY> <52B07854.5070601@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Alpines] San Diego, something special? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Lauri, Smitty is on 619 233 7937 He is on K street Mr Lauren Smith 2985 K Street San Diego CALIFORNIA -CA 92102 U. S. A. Say Hi from em if you get there ! Jeff On 17/12/2013 16:14, fastsage wrote: > Hello in Finland: > If Smitty's Sunbeam is still in business in San Diego, you have to go > there. Smitty's shop is a huge warehouse that looks (looked?) like the > old Rootes factory blew up and all the parts landed in Smitty's shop. > He knows Sunbeams and how they work as well as anyone, and it's > amazing looking at the shelves to see all the Sunbeam stuff he has. > > I don't have his contact info anymore, so could someone else on the > list here let us know if he's still there, and give his shop address > and phone number? > > Steve Sage > > > > On 12/17/2013 7:23 AM, Jarrid Gross wrote: >> Lauri, >> >> There is a naval ship museum there with a tour of the ships in the >> harbor. >> >> >> >> On 12/16/2013 11:42 PM, Lauri Lehtinen wrote: >>> Hello, folks, >>> >>> I will visit to San Diego at the end of January. Is there something >>> special >>> I should not miss, aviation or car museum or something like that? >>> >>> >>> >>> #auri Lehtinen >>> >>> journalist, engineer >>> >>> +358 400 851988 >>> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jeff@v8tiger.demon.co.uk _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 20 08:20:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3D342F1B for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:20:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from GEORGE.anl.gov (george.anl.gov [146.137.81.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC28942F27; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 08:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from BUTKUS.anl.gov ([fe80::a818:5e68:956f:50f9]) by GEORGE.anl.gov ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0347.000; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:03:12 -0600 From: "Wiencek, Thomas" To: Jeff Howarth , "tigers@autox.team.net" , "alpines@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Alpines] How do you get a Sunbeam in an elevator...... Thread-Index: AQHO/QdYDubT2sfIi0Sf90FWmsGuJ5pdLsTQ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:03:12 +0000 References: <52B34F4B.7090007@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [146.137.81.41] Subject: Re: [Alpines] How do you get a Sunbeam in an elevator...... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net All that work then they cut in half??????? Does anyone know where the rims are from? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=591601830905645&set=a.571039489628546 .1073741835.102760763123090&type=3&theater -----Original Message----- From: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Howarth Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:56 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net; alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Alpines] How do you get a Sunbeam in an elevator...... Guys, I thought you might like ot see the ingenious exploits of a Sunbean restorer in Malaysia Dharma has done several cars, but this one is different. Built to go in a bar on the third floor, so how do you get it there if it doesnt fit in the lift and you don't own a Sikorsky Sky Crane.............. https://www.facebook.com/krishnanautocraftservices#!/photo.php?fbid=578890185 510143&set=a.333237933408704.75715.102760763123090&type=1&theater Look up Krishnan Autocraft on facebook if the link fails to work If anyone is going to Kuala Lumpur, its got to be worth a visit and a beer there ! (No, I havent been) Pretty good result from where he started. Jeff _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/wiencek@anl.gov _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 07:28:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C2A42F49 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:28:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD62403F9 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:28:49 -0700 (MST) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=RHvay2QUM9dCF9khKli8Vg==:117 a=AaUjGI9IrlcA:10 a=OA2lqS22AAAA:8 a=he-jArAzT4MA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=puYgunt3dtW9n3dAv5QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=YE2lI3sTLcrqG8mGva0A:9 a=kdMDGhRVJ1ojknAk:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=bmounce@rcn.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=bmounce@rcn.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 65.78.78.114 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of rcn.com) Received: from [65.78.78.114] ([65.78.78.114:62268] helo=BillPC) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 53/8F-01585-F6848B25; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:27:59 -0500 From: "Bill Mounce" To: "Alpine Discussion Group" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:27:59 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7/6qvf1qm/RvgQQPOrfAaVtzmx2w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. Can anyone 'splain'? Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, Bill Mounce 1967 SV _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 07:44:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDDC42EF2 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:44:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285AE40398 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:44:38 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=eG4U+in5p4oAzStXsvHfeLbQ7achHu8D2n4Y81voq34khbMOH/U9ozHkWTVBznD9; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.248.144.237] (helo=[192.168.1.72]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vv6jT-00019E-10; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:43:47 -0500 From: Allan Ballard Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:43:45 -0500 References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> To: Bill Mounce Cc: Alpine List Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Ill offer the following for starters: Differentials: Series 1, 2, 4, 5: standard 3.89 (4.22 with Overdrive) Series 3: 3.89 for both standard and overdrive (SAOCA web site source) I think the 3.70 differentials are from later Alpines and are being retrofitted to series Alpines... Allan Ballard Series 1 project Series IV driver (overdrive added) On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Bill Mounce wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D > unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant > speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end > I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one > went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. > Can anyone 'splain'? > > > > Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, > > > > Bill Mounce > > > > 1967 SV > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 08:44:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B331642F49 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:44:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3331403F9 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:44:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.143]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 10E44701BE17B; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mme001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mme001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.105.1]) by mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6D72438000089; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:43:26 -0500 (EST) References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> <035BA9B9-3B0D-4E32-B262-F25C3810EAF4@ix.netcom.com> To: aballard@ix.netcom.com, bmounce@rcn.com Received: from 86.179.160.166 by webmail-m221.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.171) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:43:26 -0500 From: jacranwell@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:43:26 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387813406; bh=qdTDQnQ/iwlrNg8ajA4ek0yqfH5/IeufgkbPxrYCgSQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=agV1VQMpWOLvs30Q4acqD5X+KKZNg7kTSWFgpWNMTPBOPn9cBLdnBXc6fxVc9dno5 hYtjfBx/nA78+XufjUhj55G1G4Aahtxc2hoBUAhAFS+Y2glsDaQ6eBs0WyKFM98Qdt RjPfqUdnuNbVgCD+AXtAnwBr++npEr7qDKdMn49o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1ade8f52b85a1e5653 Cc: alpines@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net As many cars have had the diff replaced, the only way to check is as follows. Jack up one rear wheel. Mark the top of the tyre and the side of the prop with paint or tape. Turn the wheel through 10 revolutions, at the same time have a mate count the number or revs for the prop. Then calculate the diff ratio. I think the ratio is doubled, as only one wheel is turning, so a 4.22 diff should give a ratio of 8.44., and 3.89 a ratio of 7.78, etc. Julian SIII, awaiting O/D, when I get around to it. -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard To: Bill Mounce CC: Alpine List Sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 14:44 Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Ill offer the following for starters: Differentials: Series 1, 2, 4, 5: standard 3.89 (4.22 with Overdrive) Series 3: 3.89 for both standard and overdrive (SAOCA web site source) I think the 3.70 differentials are from later Alpines and are being retrofitted to series Alpines... Allan Ballard Series 1 project Series IV driver (overdrive added) On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Bill Mounce wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D > unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant > speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end > I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one > went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. > Can anyone 'splain'? > > > > Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, > > > > Bill Mounce > > > > 1967 SV > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/aballard@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jacranwell@aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 14:54:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66AF42F93 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 14:54:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E964032A for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 14:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from auriPC (a88-112-86-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.112.86.147]) by emh04.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2131A25D7; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 23:53:57 +0200 (EET) From: "Lauri Lehtinen" To: "'Bill Mounce'" , "'Alpine Discussion Group'" References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 23:53:56 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac7/6qvf1qm/RvgQQPOrfAaVtzmx2wAPk0uw Content-Language: fi Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net I have never seen any step-by-step guide to add an OD. I have one in place but engine still out. Is there any major pitfalls I should be aware of? And how to lengthen speedo cable, std is very tight when fitted to OD unit? -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- Ldhettdjd: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net] Puolesta Bill Mounce Ldhetetty: 23. joulukuuta 2013 16:28 Vastaanottaja: Alpine Discussion Group Aihe: [Alpines] rear axle question Hello all, I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. Can anyone 'splain'? Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, Bill Mounce 1967 SV _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 16:35:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD6342F48 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:35:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from nm47-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 253F44032A for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm47.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 23:34:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.251] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 23:34:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2013 23:34:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 37249 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2013 23:34:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387841644; bh=/eb9A6sjZJbVesDRF44JtsVz2h6eFO9qP/CRy3Gci5M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rdlpYdUI93qW3Y7/Bf8F+4OBinb6D/Esr8prcuND3UWnwq8bHpFzA7WBrr+Zu9tHzlButDxNzofX/HdAuym/cMALvhPJsi3QFiU9bi/BDVcsqBIJoo3utEilDqen3ptJ55SF3XMPzirTwLlsL0RpHqmmglgqXc4exjl3DkXUksg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EV/ZE++SQN4cPGOmy4VRU/5qGfJMrk2FcQfIUlKGqjrI7xvYmTBnMkAH1uyPu/LEYkUklQi3oEU8pS9X2bpamPzbf6JXGeUxRZcyl9ZNSW5nwpnOq7++XN0amqFOCNiKan4/W94LAyIzr3xoQMEPaSe25Rnf4MZL35KpbBW44bA=; 4K656IESrgcdxAdtakUd6WAYrcN1R7KDKJrt8FRalQ9XfFbzTg1HnoNBJd8c jMuNCj1qXwkLPVtGrlrCn1yAk_f6CNN8j1mK97.rfdUp.J_MG5.U0nhzphYd 3mEKZtrJK.0xC49DQ5sJD3bQ2155vuYDcbhnBJxmaybZa_i.c4UWRgHv.t.s Yoj9LQsPTzsXKp_gHXSLFEtjX0bVVMK0WLbtgGH5NBOHyj.soT.q6U9UI264 g4Sl0PvlD7xH0j4N0AbYQcAui6GN0B3nA4tyS8BcMH0.TSJBgRvck8BfkBY3 aFZA4Ipjw.Q6xmCRWk7FvIZn8OLcXDY6hwNH6P2m.1Pnksq3Zhfw4IsrJObC S2DmlgEWulB02cIS3CxkIbz9R_NXJtvNWWgYLgucurf9GsgoduTiw8.Y1TtH Tk3OC1xfbYQwWvmSlaE29Sqr.Nd9Q5k4jnXmzCV9FKOlDTYJv3tBcmHuohQC 3Gz5kUCtXiaJKI7svcPapm3Sv7rYpUJnwPT16IxM7dUgRfYrLfE5uKK1C6m3 MUNXr5gTPK_r5Q3aT0mDMcsaRvHeiaciSkgFWZ3uew8TldhcwTdyhQ9fFXQ- - Received: from [108.175.242.46] by web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:34:04 PST WWFob28gaGFzIGNoYW5nZWQgc28gbXVjaCBJJ20gbm90IGNlcnRhaW4gdG8gd2hvbSBJJ20gYWN0dWFsbHkgYWRkcmVzc2luZyBCVVQgaGVyZSdzIHdoYXQgSSd2ZSBsZWFybmVkIGFib3V0IE9ELiBUaGUgc3BlZWRvIGNhYmxlIHRoYXQncyB0byBzaG9ydCBpcyBmb3IgYSBub24gT0QgY2FyLSBPRCB1c2VzIGEgbG9uZ2VyIGNhYmxlLiBQaXR0IGZhbGxzIGlzIHRoZSBzd2l0Y2ggb3Bwc2l0ZSB0aGUgc2lnbmFsIHN3aXRjaCB3aGljaCBlbmdhZ2VzIHRoZSBPRC4gVGhlcmUgaXMgYW5vdGhlciBvbiB0aGUgdHIBMAEBAQE- References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> <034401cf0029$7af799e0$70e6cda0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:34:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Lang To: Lauri Lehtinen , 'Bill Mounce' , 'Alpine Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Yahoo has changed so much I'm not certain to whom I'm actually addressing BUT here's what I've learned about OD. The speedo cable that's to short is for a non OD car- OD uses a longer cable. Pitt falls is the switch oppsite the signal switch which engages the OD. There is another on the tranny that disengages OD when not in 3rd or 4th gear- reverse will tear it up. There is also a unit on the firewall- not positive the name BUT I need one if anyone has a spare. I have a S5 with OD and it absolutely screams on the interstate but I lost a bearing cap and haven't fixed it yet. In my opinion if you can find an OD unit, you will love it- I wonder if the stock rear end gears would still produce plenty of power and better gas mileage- guess you give up something when making changes. Happy Holidays to all. TonytheTiger On Monday, December 23, 2013 3:53 PM, Lauri Lehtinen wrote: I have never seen any step-by-step guide to add an OD. I have one in place but engine still out. Is there any major pitfalls I should be aware of? And how to lengthen speedo cable, std is very tight when fitted to OD unit? -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- Ldhettdjd: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net] Puolesta Bill Mounce Ldhetetty: 23. joulukuuta 2013 16:28 Vastaanottaja: Alpine Discussion Group Aihe: [Alpines] rear axle question Hello all, I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. Can anyone 'splain'? Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, Bill Mounce 1967 SV _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 17:55:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8202442F95 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:55:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BE64038B for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.80]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 09D03700308C4; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dhd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dhd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.209.129]) by mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8486638000082; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:49:23 -0500 (EST) From: CMeinel464@aol.com Full-name: CMeinel464 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:49:23 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387846163; bh=ibhwz9bOK5sX+bqeG18k8azq39exz8W9F66jiE+HIr4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n8r1+Vsta3rUvZNsXJOUI0WeVcyEA4eVEm9hT97Kz8pfgQ0JmoaJkB0CvecXr6+p7 uMCRlWkk9bo/VDTpI69pigLoOnLZA1jHv7yj/wN+fQm5dkoCdNO6pyc0eGPwnDiuA0 +34FjJkD8kWtne4xfzTCDghtvATK9ceTebe4xh94= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5052b8da1360f5 Cc: Alpines@autox.team.net Subject: [Alpines] Fwd: Happy Holidays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Return-path: From: CMeinel464@aol.com Full-name: CMeinel464 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:48:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Happy Holidays To: tigers@autox.team.net CC: Alpine@autox.tem.net Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year to all !!!! Sunbeam owners. Curt & Patti Meinel Classic Sunbeam Inc. _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 01:13:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCDC42FA5 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 01:13:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B390C42F8A for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 01:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcb02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.50.176]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CEF76700000AA; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mme002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mme002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.105.5]) by mtaomg-mcb02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A068238000081; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:12:47 -0500 (EST) References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> <034401cf0029$7af799e0$70e6cda0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> To: lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi, bmounce@rcn.com, alpines@autox.team.net From: jacranwell@aol.com Received: from 86.179.160.166 by webmail-m254.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.235) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:12:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:12:47 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387872767; bh=VxXxMDOf8Sz+AHri4R4ri05qENoxOQyBFDFw2yX9W1M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q74LvzaVn/ecZgmUGyWWazRg40eWHujC6DBGmV+00fNEGxgW01OqadFWHb9jF8yyv y2VIV/tfO8jjo9siI1hgkXpEx4Ce/j1vqCKS6qVKx6t/R/C5FBZYNdZGHGl7v2ljeM BNjTpjsrfnU6FWAakOoT446paiEPzccaOATOv5PA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32b052b941ff3ef6 Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Lauri, The main thing is to make sure you have the O/D propshaft, which is shorter than the standard unit. Then you'll need to wire up the solenoid and switch. Merry Christmas. Julian. -----Original Message----- From: Lauri Lehtinen To: 'Bill Mounce' ; 'Alpine Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:54 Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question I have never seen any step-by-step guide to add an OD. I have one in place but engine still out. Is there any major pitfalls I should be aware of? And how to lengthen speedo cable, std is very tight when fitted to OD unit? -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- Ldhettdjd: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net] Puolesta Bill Mounce Ldhetetty: 23. joulukuuta 2013 16:28 Vastaanottaja: Alpine Discussion Group Aihe: [Alpines] rear axle question Hello all, I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. Can anyone 'splain'? Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, Bill Mounce 1967 SV _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jacranwell@aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 03:07:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F3743014 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:07:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F8242F82 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:07:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from auriPC (a88-112-86-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.112.86.147]) by emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE11887C2; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:06:34 +0200 (EET) From: "Lauri Lehtinen" To: , , References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> <034401cf0029$7af799e0$70e6cda0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> <8D0CE97107E324B-EE0-3E1C9@webmail-m254.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:06:33 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac8Af+8k41AhcREXQhimY8RqRC+O6QADmv1Q Content-Language: fi Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net A special shop made me a correct prop shaft using Mercedes, BMW and Ford shafts as raw material. European cars of 60s and 70s had only few different universal joints and splines plus bolt joints. Shaft was then friction-welded and balanced. Problem was to make a rear fixing plate, because OD & gearbox are from a later Humber. I have seen a series 2 Alpine with later Humber engine and OD box. It was fixed by moving whole engine forward, then cutting a hole for radiator to bring it forward too. It looked quite awful. Solenoid relay + switch I found from eBay. I have had problems with jumping gears, I hope I can fix it with new pilot bearing and engine and gearbox mounting rubbers. Merry Christmas for all of you! Ldhettdjd: jacranwell@aol.com [mailto:jacranwell@aol.com] Ldhetetty: 24. joulukuuta 2013 10:13 Vastaanottaja: lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi; bmounce@rcn.com; alpines@autox.team.net Aihe: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Hi Lauri, The main thing is to make sure you have the O/D propshaft, which is shorter than the standard unit. Then you'll need to wire up the solenoid and switch. Merry Christmas. Julian. -----Original Message----- From: Lauri Lehtinen To: 'Bill Mounce' ; 'Alpine Discussion Group' Sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:54 Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question I have never seen any step-by-step guide to add an OD. I have one in place but engine still out. Is there any major pitfalls I should be aware of? And how to lengthen speedo cable, std is very tight when fitted to OD unit? -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- Ldhettdjd: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Ldhetetty: 23. joulukuuta 2013 16:28 Vastaanottaja: Alpine Discussion Group Aihe: [Alpines] rear axle question Hello all, I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. Can anyone 'splain'? Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, Bill Mounce 1967 SV _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jacranwell@aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 03:47:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1866D43014 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:47:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547C542F82 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.175]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CE741700000B6; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 05:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mme002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mme002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.105.5]) by mtaomg-mbe01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1FE8138000082; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 05:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: JACranwell@aol.com Full-name: JACranwell Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 05:46:10 -0500 (EST) To: lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi, bmounce@rcn.com, alpines@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387881970; bh=8HNbUEEC6WNEAh8pjp1LDfltPTJ2+iuAJYldj6B5OUk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CV65J7cCM8F7RRhrTcp1b6vwjwekklAw9cU2vC5jJWXvRSCb02vLxLE0Dv3aw9HU7 KnVsqXXCGaOJ5D//qfLk41N6lkVgbRnN6QOxLssHC0jyAM8BZXRPyXAmyq+VDeP8Zx l5A7BFTOatvnlIFEFMcIfoKgX3FMrykIhYkWNj3M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afeaf52b965f22e4f Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Lauri, If you have gears jumping into neutral, I think it is more likely to be worn synchromesh rings. Julian _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From alpines-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 24 04:50:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9202242FE7 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 04:50:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: alpines@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE681403F2 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 04:50:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.77]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 74A7E7003F611 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] (25.72.124.24.cm.sunflower.com [24.124.72.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 3413A38000088 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:49:53 -0500 (EST) References: <00a101ceffeb$2e329f30$8a97dd90$@rcn.com> <034401cf0029$7af799e0$70e6cda0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> <8D0CE97107E324B-EE0-3E1C9@webmail-m254.sysops.aol.com> <039a01cf008f$d3528e40$79f7aac0$@lauri@kolumbus.fi> From: Paul Scofield Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 05:49:52 -0600 To: "" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1387885793; bh=no9bbxTtNo4Lh9xirpOIkPrkVsINkaoS8MYSebnC5Es=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=xo22gLiJZwc/Dr0B2MxeXSEM57ubLjJWY5vMMs9qfhtR8HiLrjDlvgpvB59ikRngc xu2vg4zvC6X35h1KKGvmdbXBry9tdQrriz/869eESwFgq0VPbC1hMwi0Ch4k1Ynqyo QJShAnmdb2trEbsNKMwf3AuQkFhsBLnFVQJ7TTFY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4d52b974e1113a Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net I had a standard Alpine driveshaft shortened at a local shop. Just get the proper overall length from someone who has one. I can give you a measurement if you need it. P Sent from my iPad > On Dec 24, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Lauri Lehtinen" wrote: > > A special shop made me a correct prop shaft using Mercedes, BMW and Ford > shafts as raw material. European cars of 60s and 70s had only few > different universal joints and splines plus bolt joints. Shaft was then > friction-welded and balanced. Problem was to make a rear fixing plate, > because OD & gearbox are from a later Humber. > > I have seen a series 2 Alpine with later Humber engine and OD box. It was > fixed by moving whole engine forward, then cutting a hole for radiator to > bring it forward too. It looked quite awful. > > Solenoid relay + switch I found from eBay. > > I have had problems with jumping gears, I hope I can fix it with new pilot > bearing and engine and gearbox mounting rubbers. > > Merry Christmas for all of you! > > > > Ldhettdjd: jacranwell@aol.com [mailto:jacranwell@aol.com] > Ldhetetty: 24. joulukuuta 2013 10:13 > Vastaanottaja: lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi; bmounce@rcn.com; > alpines@autox.team.net > Aihe: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question > > > > Hi Lauri, > > > > The main thing is to make sure you have the O/D propshaft, which is shorter > than the standard unit. Then you'll need to wire up the solenoid and switch. > > > > Merry Christmas. > > > > Julian. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lauri Lehtinen > To: 'Bill Mounce' ; 'Alpine Discussion Group' > > Sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:54 > Subject: Re: [Alpines] rear axle question > > I have never seen any step-by-step guide to add an OD. I have one in place > but engine still out. Is there any major pitfalls I should be aware of? And > how to lengthen speedo cable, std is very tight when fitted to OD unit? > > -----Alkuperdinen viesti----- > Ldhettdjd: alpines-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:alpines-bounces@autox.team.net > Ldhetetty: 23. joulukuuta 2013 16:28 > Vastaanottaja: Alpine Discussion Group > Aihe: [Alpines] rear axle question > > Hello all, > > > > I just read the article in this month's Rootes Review about adding and O/D > unit, and they listed two different rear axle ratios, and the resultant > speeds v. revs. I always had these questions: how do I know which rear end > I have, and why were there two different ones? At one point I thought one > went with the O/D trans, the other with non O/D, but that made little sense. > Can anyone 'splain'? > > > > Thanks, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all, > > > > Bill Mounce > > > > 1967 SV > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/lehtinen.lauri@kolumbus.fi > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/jacranwell@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Alpines@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $17.25 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/alpines/canisdog@aol.com _______________________________________________ Alpines@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive