From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 07:39:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3CC2D0843 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 07:39:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s12.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s12.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDE22D037F for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 07:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W131 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 May 2012 06:07:37 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.38.88.138] From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:07:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2012 13:07:37.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[617600F0:01CD279B] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Mitty stuff X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All I can say is WOW!. Haven't made it home yet as we stopped to stay a couple of days in the mountains, got to keep the banker happy too don't ya know. :). Weekend started out rough as we shot parts out of the side of the block 5 laps into the first practice session on Friday. Probably stressed the crank during my over revving situation last week and it let go. We shall see when we get home but I was picking piston pieces out of the lip at the front of the bonnet. Just had to switch gears from racing to spectating, once I did that we had a blast the rest of the weekend. It was SO great to see all my old friends and meet many new ones, both FOT and spectators. I don't see how we can ever top this one! Guys please thank your spouses for me for making My wife feel so welcome to the group at the track, she enjoyed herself also. Hopefully I will get another engine together and show up to be in your guys way at next years Kastner Cup event. Marty Sukey #8 Spitfire _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 07:42:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC992D08E9 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 07:42:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144D02D02C2 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 07:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q41DG6GN031505 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:16:06 -0400 Received: from core-msa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.65]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 49999E0000AB for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 May 2012 09:16:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF5B3B0FF4407-1ED0-E43@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335878166; bh=EyW4ggiykxz2Ijbw0QCSCpSQ1mb3nmcSe0Ucb5F5xkM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XVVQ3xCXTcxaJQKYLqCP6jSULXIbYkpvLJ8JR6xTAHleejwW27zcOwy22loegoxqZ GXsDN0sosdPA5RkkHJ2figxZbnYJWOK1Jfm2rcack2Ny6cj9n+xVhfO81m3YqdeXAl eTgST+rQS6MvnhzBR0OABll+YX/1zIFATthuX35c= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:373589056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4f9fe2145bca X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] MITTY AFTERMATH X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: There's a huge number of stories. Please share them. A few notes here: I thought the pageantry of THE CMS GRID GIRLS and the on grid interviews was a very GREAT feature. We would like to incorporate this feature into the next Kastner Cup and will be looking for an Organizer. Special thanks to CMS organization for the CMS Hospitality Tent in the PRO-PADDOCK, too. Certainly we will want to arrange for a Hospitality Tent at the next Kastner Cup. More later.... Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 08:06:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875CB2C0D1A for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A302B2D0862 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 07:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q41DqLUB032224 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:52:21 -0400 Received: from core-msa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.65]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 82883E000081 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 May 2012 09:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335880341; bh=bEUuFMc3ez9l6KPfW5fMfK5zO5d/U7e+lmmAkdzw+Tg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aiEJEYOmiLVwxOYvq2g1jek5TjmKeeeHvKFghr8k999gZGEu9Eatz3FER3W3nXTwF z+tFBitSxXXFrhqeNPsWBa1evG5VGCDEBvaRE1F5cE3Ytv06SQO3nl4ZZfr0WvHdj+ 1+VXkY/j4493c0/Lyh/xmcjkPeuYsmEcD/fkvP58= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469516576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4f9fea940b29 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 09:08:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE0E2D07F5 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:08:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19A52D06FD for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q41Emb8q006774 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:48:37 -0400 Received: from core-msa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.65]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D5CC1E0000A5; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:48:35 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> To: chasgee@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 May 2012 10:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF5C09F0980B6-1ED0-1EC9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:48:35 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335883717; bh=+RRRwOimXIJmERpd/OyNIpZlECFTer15lt3doINoJLU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XNNqleDFMo9q48jbgZEiuuT7ZQwOSABOteNOGLv3HXdcRh6bzqIzaiVZGBCJR6OB4 NNRvRDu1iug44/Xap8jVa94fYV04u58jqCz2MD60uho3CMEMAq7fgvUo3UGs83xwhX svX7OrY6A88p1uHtcwd7hCMlJIUGqQ7jzJPDLlUU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:494277888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494f9ff7c36d7f X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chuck good to hear from you....message says: SEPTEMBER 2013 It can be a very perfect time of the year with dry weather and cool temperatures. It also follow Watkins Glen and is a popular stop over for west coast guys returning from the east. This is the most popular event of the year with VSCDA and well attended without the crush of many 'festival' events. This is 'FIRST CABIN' event and we will be proud to be part of it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: chasgee To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Hi Joe, What time of year will it be? End of April? Thanks, Chuck Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 14:07:33 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 10:02:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2922D084A for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:02:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFAB2D0784 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so8219927iaj.14 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iXHRm7V9OQ4WstXdQIPCRK5EVKbHwqy5prN2Noxhzwo=; b=aBkWROwp9VLy1okGo27zG7og5df5rG+wfDTUN/g7hq1IZCSSoMWrmzdDjoylEPEd+3 LmTmhIKlporfhFruvBhxZMLj6f1alqe+nBGUKE5vEXn3HEWjU0aqu5SZqZcwcT0yeihB hz/MiseMjmI9OuYOSJ0gvKswnsPH6dCGQmQTJ321zj6tNr0om8DkM5GAllbYeopidHZ5 mkIajW/STUFAQuKxAKEyEw33mf6lUexIiBEAV5mxy+8QHNMtmU4xoejjo2MP/enZyAfX IYE+YpDQFGcHP+UDChqrMt+9nG5pUNaHqnyrdOKCMxH/6o4xBxwCJ+aXIEvtXQmimhRF Zi8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.216.232 with SMTP id ot8mr2576430igc.22.1335886359504; Tue, 01 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.3.7 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 10:29:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2553B2D0932 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:29:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7D1B2D0298 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 15:48:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.80] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 15:48:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2012 15:48:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 867593.46160.bm@omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79550 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2012 15:48:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1335887316; bh=2KxSnbVPO1DhjCRL6QCVd0bLo3v3bydrEXkM4N33QF4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J9Dt2XfzFrH9BGh4fpZWs3YC43XqOdEXLkT09C/2VuyGYZUfE2R7RRx24XT95kga2nuTyZl1Tg/yARn5nn+9l24pMYp1rI509yeETh2N6lNXLJQjZcxoIUiGiXjOX7pVcBdQeskdTVatcw6zFeL9KV1sTYN0DoVEFmtnq2F2CzI= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vg7g8EMDqGTtQuGv/qZViJhpepS/futG/ZctBS4vBjIZjAPuXY9eN77Avwe4onMF1CKFNJPzFkiv8/Y/ZA2f+zQjAFEzv3g5aU8s1Xy1AzAictzuhzC77lalkRPoAn64uA/joG5ea/aK3N8dfOsrZhheFP+HJXodLNxLzcXemdI=; X-YMail-OSG: 3ypE6VMVM1ko2rZis4JMKP07L2LArrzBpGM0tqc9AUo_uzj 7ZgaK3dubIJUljIFC62tY5Q1YaGqMlzSxMYoI7keReXOKOOaL_afvYWOMncP gxmMlN4TsDBuY0.UM32sIg_ySrfI39h9.avpE54p9nXnLkSNkbZjd7BSgAuT .0mDnqZgd81xxrvWE_xS8plCed57ih9Y6pbI4AJTdGymauOzTDtOLZTHzKv9 L_0XyI1BaL_qEBLwaDAzrRamzSPsqp8s0kq2tVPmGYezBOfhuLClxdwHcAT5 8mIK6ifhkGxq0iSbQnVvUwHS_LF45A0YSAX8pET6AdKHy3iQ6hAUy2wJg5MX fyVuUs9ozR5VrEKjuIfGtbqUFQ1TjAribdwti6XjS20qDRb6sdZR.k6edKyC IDLDckYBFwrIGcM6vbZfPIbsxqw3tXN1MM4C.yLzW2RDu Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 May 2012 08:48:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335887316.61747.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net was truly an experience to drive the track for the first time... my track-mate shows I hit 101 mph on the back straight and the front straight... I thought I was faster on the back. Still a lot bummed about not being able to run with Jason and Newman in the other two GT6's... the pleasure was softened by Peggy and Kas being extra warm, generous, and sharing... a memory of a lifetime for me, thanks Kas... We joked signing my car "ready to push..." but graciously signed "racing soon, Kas Kastner" ... awesome.. On the DL I got the GT6 on stands last night, went to drain the oil, and a LOT of water came out. Hoping it is only the head gasket but there's no telling. #2 piston is not in the slot when turning over, bent valve, and pieces of the piston (we think) we're in the front carb... strange... there was no crying or muffled handgun discharged in the black Ford van with the black enclosed sleeping quarters of yours truly... I was threatened to be blocked in if I tried to leave thursday night... my attitude improved a lot friday... I came away from the Mitty with a new slogan "Never met a Triumph person I didn't like" ... seems appropriate... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 10:42:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5602D0784 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:42:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B362D0905 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q41GInfk023385; Tue, 1 May 2012 12:18:49 -0400 Received: from core-msa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.65]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E7830E00008B; Tue, 1 May 2012 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triosan@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com (205.188.91.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 May 2012 12:18:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF5CD3958AC61-8C8-1BB20@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335889129; bh=QUqlye57ldM6vGrf8OVSeiYfD4Ds88lKQ5kSsAxT/k4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hqO4KGYJVr894F1Z2/6qOqGuH7UXvwW2t+jl6/acn8+GYwEl5QEayQKdJ1EvHPegR rZDTy6wj2aFeIxbu9qUscuv8W9NagzOhMCuZBd7hOK/Uvx0nGBxu0p0f/0NnNsIf3M Eu0HvShfXzlytAhYspASAzEK/t/0bR3Xd/3J0LZU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:430471104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29484fa00ce86eec X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hart Family all.....belong. TR250K AND DEVIN TRIUMPH trumps MGB...... Most of us likely had a MG first.....even Kas. 2nd Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Friends Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:04 am Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 10:58:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704582D0901 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:58:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C872D0438 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPG6d-0008B3-VJ; Tue, 01 May 2012 11:39:21 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 11:39:04 -0500 To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" , Friends From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120501165853.704582D0901@autox.team.net> I'll gladly second that, although you'll need to include his e-mail address for Mark to add him to the list. Tony Drews At 10:32 AM 5/1/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: >He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and >certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. >I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] >and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. > >-- >Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 13:37:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35F82D0884 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 13:37:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.q.com (smtp.quartz.synacor.com [205.169.121.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33992D0708 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 12:54:29 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=g//lGzsIS862E5bNyt74xWUQq2TZrJ4hoWzBJo2haDI= c=1 sm=0 a=pGfBIBo4v1oA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=5uzyEDg2IGAA:10 a=pdJ9fS35KqvOCu1Z4MoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=26dtlA0jTESVR984cQ8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=MVt/OeM/O+V7psr6YXG+1g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.quartz.synacor.com header.from=cofrog@q.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.quartz.synacor.com smtp.mail=cofrog@q.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.quartz.synacor.com: transitional domain q.com does not designate 10.30.7.251 as permitted sender) Received: from [10.30.7.251] ([10.30.7.251:45761] helo=md04.quartz.synacor.com) by smtp.q.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 31/C0-11318-E6130AF4; Tue, 01 May 2012 14:54:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: cofrog@q.com To: triumph fot , triumph Message-ID: <297435576.1565844.1335898478954.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <1177610957.1565761.1335898365710.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [174.16.140.72] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.8_GA_2685 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Win)/dev build) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] TR4 Crankshaft X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in need of a good TR3/4 crankshaft. Prefer one with stock sized journals. One near Denver would be best for a local pickup but beggars can't be choosers. Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 15:23:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320F52D09E1 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:23:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59D12D090B for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:09:49 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1335906615; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=8dmx89BjZGJVwDBd6U7cJV/OfH8=; b=OrD0tFgdN+7iiScbNh2vckcZlJu4PCcXCTsSZoZQRJaoVi1MhmjvXZtBZVwbc8EB He8Aeymdqko0TK1mUcc+WJ/dA0aDZzzGxaV8Ws26MLbJjtGTh5uwgjuzDa6ERZ95; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=fPC7LOme c=1 sm=0 a=9f-m7vV-vusA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Fy-HHjp0cQatVvEfu24A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [10.50.3.117] ([10.50.3.117:58403] helo=md23.embarq.synacor.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTP id 44/88-14870-73150AF4; Tue, 01 May 2012 17:10:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: William T newman To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <2120212493.2460363.1335903532468.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.54.30.112] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2328.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.15_GA_2995) Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net To All: Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. Bill Newman #44 GT6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 16:07:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFE12D07CA for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 16:07:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360AA2D0898 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so1977111wgb.20 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 14:47:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=7tgemTz67jLITBHPQT9RfQHAU3gBAlBGTpaSkH+sAzw=; b=IWGl5/Y3ORessN9Zy2LIXhS1WJTc5W2r1EUbOID9A3vlhE8ae3lgvO94eEN/8pc2Io 4hl5LTnSNNApoidUiRqXUjQu/at++fkY0mxkK6eeHNMcwUzyiqM9wiXhjQkW+0XaWZ6i 6hafkXQWHspYdvyUbr9ixkjMTgbSWnHsRQDNAwrl2TGbdSBNAL4/aLu+qguAe73o5z5w 1cnjx6FQfJ6Yfbpa/yNDPQfLvqxS7sVT+U+maKHl+KQzMhEniDChb+JY6NTqaQ4rtc/I DJzA0llARIINW0N5JYrqc0ZPk8jgzqOAA5cFAh39Nn2qHjCf92DoG4Y3gsS88XeFLAvZ eQeA== Received: by 10.180.103.35 with SMTP id ft3mr8262615wib.0.1335908870891; Tue, 01 May 2012 14:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-51-96.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.51.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm62258242wib.8.2012.05.01.14.47.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 May 2012 14:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:47:46 +0200 Message-ID: <003101cd27e4$0ee30c40$2ca924c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0m0DuvItnLV8CnQtCLo54qBDAjHAAM+HIgAAFgaUAAJMBHIAAR04Vw Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Another one.....richer idle jets.....but they're making the engine lazy. Going back lean tomorrow: http://youtu.be/EO88kBJQh9U Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 17:10:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230022D019B for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:10:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1112D0394 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 16:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so62714obb.14 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 15:46:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Jw81/msrRPVCGSvHYPt61cwA7/EspX5Aoi7FLgIcuTs=; b=uRXYvWb9mxl7sxeWRj0kMUCBazZtqxjtgREvs03gPgP4OWmFgXbnL1Sw/e/zpezDpy FOLvWF6LyDepLgqNBhW06ECrQkrE85DBo0O1orA54QRuo/ekOlVX71oTYo6HbHPwSptI lHJdWPetaoZYKZYsGC2FOCIWi+h+bqrUdBKKczY+h9vBcUKhs23hm24qn7kN+KXi7t1E QEuQh9C3x2y2l4X0AkbTsSYb/jlQixLplTo1/Ij1Dk7CjB6Kg0APFYwHKOt0erotq0qs 3pw6zRJDqSVHhoqZVpg3UJ4dtWsPdhRTXnjeRSwVO4w90aro+lPi5Db0mq+m0Djg9Rt6 W5ZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.38.1 with SMTP id c1mr4106358obk.18.1335911071050; Tue, 01 May 2012 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.2.166 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Black Spit number 16? -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 17:58:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1368F2D07A7 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:58:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99652D0409 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:28:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.245.207.108] (170.sub-174-252-153.myvzw.com [174.252.153.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q41NT4NZ006872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 May 2012 19:29:08 -0400 References: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <7615F872-C02E-42CD-A275-061613DA65BD@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:29:02 -0400 To: William T newman X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=r1DLTJ6I4WNtNSDbWOfumzxcbMy5NL/NTCl1I6dcIeE= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:17 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=uIon9HMKkUod3RTx2xoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4FA071C9.0075, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 2012 Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill... Come join us at the VDCA events at Roebling rd Savannah... 2 more left This year Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, William T newman wrote: > To All: > Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). > We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. > I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). > I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. > > Bill Newman > #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:01:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E79F2D0851 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:01:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CED2D0715 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q41Neajf032216; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:40:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:40:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Clark W. Nicholls" In-Reply-To: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] So.... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey - I'll echo the WOW thing. I took about 1700 pix, but there's a lot of "tossers" in there, so it'll be more like 50 or 60 when I'm done. Maybe a bit more than that. Standing at the fence sticking my camera through a hole with various race cars shooting by at speed - THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR THE CREDS, that's one for the bucket list. Thanks to Joe, Henry, Andy Reid and the folks from GRM / Classic Motorsports. To Clark's query "Did anyone see Ric Cline?" I did not. But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". I haven't had a chance to see if any of the _FILM_ that I shot worked out, but if so, I'll post a message here and we can figure out if "we" want to do anything with it. On the plus side, if there's a chance to shoot a pano shot at the next FOT event, I'll do it. I promose to be more organized and READY next time. In any case, I'll be sending copies of the the pix to Henry for getting them on the FOT site and I'll likely post some of the better shots on Flickr or SmugMug or Facebook. It is my intention to also post some onfo on what shots I do have and I'll include some instructions on how you can get a shot or shots of your car(s) "royalty free". More on that later. Last - if anyone found a 4 GB CF memory card in the FOT paddock, it's probably the one that I can't seem to find. I'm note 100% sure where I dropped it, but I took it out of the camera THU around noon and have no recollection of seeing it after that, so, I probably left it on a hard surface or it dropped out of my pocket somewhere. In any case, if you found it or saw it, drop me a line. Looking forward to the other RA in 2013. Maybe I'll even have a Triumph there!!! c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:01:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3A72D096A for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:01:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A022D0793 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:41:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.245.207.108] (170.sub-174-252-153.myvzw.com [174.252.153.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q41NfQgj018230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 May 2012 19:41:29 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:41:25 -0400 To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=7tBfn1u/1qsiCBwE0Dg/XNHRPrXRqCh0S8k+6vWWeYk= c=1 sm=1 a=Op0sZSaaJtsA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=gWXlQjB2wHLwnxIRvM4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4FA074AA.0009, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:23:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68542D07D0 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:23:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB7A2D0708 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q41NjY28032228; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:45:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The time sheet from the SAT practice says: Patrick Ryan rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang@isis.mit.edu _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:25:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC112D085C for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:25:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FFB2D02D1 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:46:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.245.207.108] (170.sub-174-252-153.myvzw.com [174.252.153.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q41NkHFU016146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 May 2012 19:46:19 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:46:15 -0400 To: John Hasty X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0l1ZA7H7kdVYwsUDqKdyt3M1kbawXr/ph8StbAMu7Y4= c=1 sm=1 a=Op0sZSaaJtsA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=rxVhk38WW5DHHfRfJeEA:9 a=KgfbJzNmr2Yt0ef7cosA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:117 X-WHL: SLR Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > >> Black Spit number 16? >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:25:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08DA2D085F for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:25:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939212D036B for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:48:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.245.207.108] (170.sub-174-252-153.myvzw.com [174.252.153.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q41Nmmk7023057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 May 2012 19:48:50 -0400 References: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> In-Reply-To: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:48:45 -0400 To: John Hasty X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=7tBfn1u/1qsiCBwE0Dg/XNHRPrXRqCh0S8k+6vWWeYk= c=1 sm=1 a=Op0sZSaaJtsA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=1_3OCEYUWZRTTlPsYfwA:9 a=TFnLf5vcKKtQr30beiAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=kSetnE57NIGpiFkAuLZ3IA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FA07663.00A9, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-WHL: SLR Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow my Iphone skills are bad Pat Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:46 PM, John Hasty wrote: > The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: >> >>> Black Spit number 16? >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:26:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564472D02D7 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:26:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E90A2D0408 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so147118obb.14 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2Lwf8OY0k7m91yQOemn6JdZhmh1SeYGaiPdrdHBcRHM=; b=BnBietduBSKFXsYm9zTMCpTql6UBFwhV56FwJ9/+PIHFeszOO58mklOryZKcM9p34x A5DayzDgSJRLdl/6N5iPS9kwPt0sUiILJpGDnfx21KNxczHVTHDc/NYwXLw4gBgA5/MT i7N6b3KzUCG8Hn8VlnRxchvpr/jZjRGGz8SBxPCCXsX0X5X+tNJJLi+OlK1D4nOJElH+ tl8rEK9zewu10NAzJ7dMVrcDW05c1D7CzfMb5sRHTlCrPuzbs+as0GtGcG5TfjK6OZDQ vwhph3UtmIOs1conFz6EyvJUwcwgUMqQBxwP7xGE18MkfUQbJc6Mo4HhD+Df1M9eQscD IAaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.51.41 with SMTP id h9mr6064473obo.7.1335916239994; Tue, 01 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.2.166 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends , Chuck Arnold X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in yet, but wanted to get this posted. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382744881/5737712256844391666 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 18:26:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B71E2C0986 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:26:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261FD2D0385 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhq7 with SMTP id hq7so3337125wib.2 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 16:52:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RK1Tr5m8Qmu4WBksm4SHPG2Idkmzcvni0uYbW1C8fWg=; b=oWV07B4ah55aSivGthmOTiEbvWpmUneSESj//1Dfr7gCYi/GhxRN/nJvoJs4OrKkhO VJeWN/mQemSfLdQVLVU7/H6dH00lH9PiUilQDnidDuDpwnV+mptRB1Z9lkxbWJG+eqHj lP5+Pmr4AmBeiqKcU2rHUTHP4r+vH3giFt8IOrYp08UIJQj2XfSibvYUFEaT+A33JDko 7dZ9ReTbHnVXOmDUfKcff4GKtByKogA/QGHwQ/lQjfAxqcGkAkYq/sDmZs07rIANzuXW iF7eOJ1gRvkNzvRLeV4bDUzP9QqO+mNtLYSZBgM0x1hRxPMNI/Wd4AEuUUdhDZqumNai sNUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.139.156 with SMTP id c28mr15751250wej.57.1335916348296; Tue, 01 May 2012 16:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.193 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2012 16:52:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.205.145] Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlO5p2wGt50Tr9PJRBgJV+qc107lBuaCSX1sjLgSVNo6U6bEtOqg4U0v27/P0deQRt17WfO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several in car youtube videos. Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, it can be quite daunting. Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final Triumph feature race. Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas (TR6) I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. Enjoy! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 19:31:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229C12D07A0 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:31:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13ACC2D0343 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 00:58:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.57] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 00:57:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 00:57:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 959059.9862.bm@omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 10765 invoked from network); 2 May 2012 00:57:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Wi/CMiSMwzceKwMJf2yw9z+8k0Txm95ZSTwHUldW+/tF188CzplMUi8AWPEXyPiinyGHhHXV8qtD7yG2RY0/nNyVs6S2sPXjFTHPv2jL5cperXywbgw6ohhmsiHJDTguxqm5nxZiU4CT1vaec23sjzmQR+9n0AiW0Va5BrW8OSI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1335920265; bh=d9XrKw8WW3srwdx8fWg/b5JgZI8DTvpnoMOcAu7JG4I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=lA9hAd934WMr1Ph4ypNbBbPwOqPCzKBYqk3w2fFhJkyBaqQ++71DutfrEqttoxUpJnjZy7/Fwj+ZBGaCW5En9KfebNC6wjLvlAgnzTzic6LHH1ozqQBaZ0h0bUysn3gmwMtogSgX3K1wKP98EUMziOTma9/2WQPkGqw92kcpwjs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: t0zUQQUVM1kJgaufKIOL0rcLiOkeotH7v0cqmeTZHLEPKXT 7E0xCfmnSJHY5ErFs2LJ3x.X2CpN2g2qMu1LJF3bWM2pRnLV3XyW0849hWsK p39YWYg.TmPeu_EWVr6epT3dWSR5TbVyjKbsUSXT0d.LhrFhgFhDBgGGv7Xg Q8YRzfhNVkvp_9PgEImhmtTBEHn5xIezc98uTU.1kc.0W8e6Uy8s.yGba77r yjeZlDbpxQHaAfBvmoTNsWSv_S.lg8xDGjkAhuo4IbWNKX68ja9di.B4i45D OyMKLQvm760VrHz9dFXH2ug6DKzVnujo0dhQeUDoO4OBhemOgotLNS7kWJzs gI.Nuj3OqmzR5LiUQ9BH9mmxYfXQCDmG77D4PUhMCeZ51GntJgN4fRJUxa1Z DmS7hdiNoqaxHCulne1uWXeJun_XvnQb_K1AEp2lJ3YNfzAFQ4OM7EF9SjPV RCZIlPmkBR3HUBp7lzPbvKJCpUnn_hBjjRXsENjMpaUM4Mye69fJ9L7TbS_4 T46FQM8rb4iVt0l5cW_Kz9bycqWsXahEUFHTp3NwfQ6KsrLU159KJKhLHXdo kljrBmk2_p5x_LPJGkAEsTyqRKQAYOxmJfXusat2IvkFQzj8f9aye2_3Zhk. h_Mcyb1jqfI1V2aXjAQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: zpaKsMWswBCF8nHyzmr14WD9jBIId8vx Received: from [192.168.1.3] (jaxonracing@71.234.118.70 with xymcookie) by smtp123-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 May 2012 00:57:45 +0000 UTC References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <57CAB5D7-6DE9-49F9-AEC5-FD6105151C32@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Jaxon Racing Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:57:41 -0400 To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley Cc: Chuck Arnold , Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Some excellent photos. And video. Keep them coming !!!! Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in > yet, but wanted to get this posted. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382 744881/5737712256844391666 > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 21:58:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF002D0714 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 21:58:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B149D2D0384 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 21:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPQTy-0001SF-2R for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 May 2012 22:44:07 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:43:41 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 1 of 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120502035826.BEF002D0714@autox.team.net> Finished getting my newly built cylinder head working properly with the rest of the race car on Sunday prior to the event at 4:30 pm, still had a few hours to spare... Left Wed AM, arrived Thursday afternoon. The Pro paddock was pretty much completely full at that point. After moving around a bit I finally found a spot by Randy Williams beautifully prepared cars - a TR-3 and a lovely Jag E-type. Friday practice was uneventful for me, but I was able to play with Henry Frye, Mark Wheatley, and George Wright. I was gratified to see that my new head (which had been milled and had a good valve job but no porting) performed well - I could keep up with Henry and Mark on the straights. Saturday was forecast to be fairly hot, but a low cloud cover kept things cool right up until the K-cup race. Qualifying was in cool dense air and the car loved it. Got down to the low 1:51's and qualified 5th. Unfortunately, Henry blew up partway through qualifying. I got two flying laps before they black flagged the session and another couple once they got us going again. For the big race, we had quite a pre-race ceremony. There were high school cheerleaders in their outfits which were stationed by the cars, some of them with British and Grassroots Motorsports flags. There were driver interviews, including yours truly. Afterwards, I was told that I sounded very professional over the PA. Then they gridded us up in the proper spots - Randy Williams was originally put at the back of the pack due to no qualify time (clutch problem?), but they placed him back in 7th or 8th which was about where he'd been running. Good of them to do that. Kas gave the "Gentlemen (I cringed) and Susan (I smiled), Start Your Engines!" to get us going properly. I ended up on the inside of the 3rd row as we came to the green. Tony Garmey in the TR250-K set a starting speed that was perfect for me, I anticipated the green nicely and was gaining ground. Inside was blocked by Mark Wheatley, so I moved up the middle, then worked my way to the outside for turn 1. Got a great run through turn 1 and was in 3rd place by turn 2. Of course, no place to go but down from there... Had a great time trying to hold off Mark Wheatley and George Wright, but they both eventually got by me. Randy passed me like I wasn't even moving on his way to the front. I had been very pleased to be faster than him all weekend - turned out he must have been taking it easy until the race. I ended up in 8th place, with an ear to ear grin. Randy Williams won the Kastner Cup for an inspired drive in a really pretty, well prepared TR-3. Much deserved. to be continued... Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 22:16:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEAB2D0803 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 22:16:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B815C2D038A for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 21:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPQV4-000318-NQ for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 01 May 2012 22:45:11 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:44:45 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 2 of 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120502041641.6AEAB2D0803@autox.team.net> Continued... Sunday's race (scheduled for 4 but actually run at 5) saw fewer cars there but still a decent turn out. It was pretty hot by then. I was on the inside of the 3rd row again at the start with Randy and George in front of me. We had a bit of a faster start, and I didn't get as good of a start this time. I got passed by a TR-6 pretty quickly. He had more motor than me, but I was much quicker in the twisties. I hounded him for a lap and a half and he went too deep into turn 7 coming onto the back straight hurting his entry speed. I nailed the entry and was able to keep alongside him down the straight, outbraking him into the chicane at the end. I carried a ton of speed into the blind entry, downhill, flat out turn 12 (one of the great corners in motor racing) coming onto the front straight, stayed ahead going into the esses after the front straight and gapped out on him nicely. Unfortunately George Wright was just far enough ahead that I couldn't catch up with him and make it more interesting. But, I was keeping up with him and kept finding more speed in the corners. On the social side, Thursday night we ordered in Sonny's barbeque and had pretty much the whole Triumph contingent together for it. I thought that was a great idea! Friday night, the track had a party - I went for a bit, but it was crowded, loud, had lines for everything so I left pretty quickly. I found the Triumph guys had been invited into the private tent for a Lotus 23 racer who had a Semi and motorhome, a crew of 5 or 6, a crew chief, a lovely wife, and a chef cooking fish and chips. They were the best fish and chips I think I've ever had. Since we were racing pretty early Saturday I didn't stay too late. Saturday night I skipped the track party and hung out with Henry, Mark and more of the east coast contingent - Bob Lang was there too. We had burgers on the grill, leftover barbeque chicken, a number of adult beverages and solved the world's problems (not sure I remember the solutions, though). Kas was there, I saw Elliot Forbes Robinson at the track party, Bob Johns (original factory Sebring driver) was there, Bob Tullius was at the trophy presentation, Sam Halkias brought several cars - unfortunately they got dinged up pretty good. We had guys from both coasts, a TON of Triumph street car guys - folks driving and flying in. Awesome. The atmosphere in the Triumph crew was great, and I had a blast. Road Atlanta is a fun track to drive and also a fun track to race head to head on (NOT the same thing). The blind entry to the esses and especially the blind entry at 90 or so heading onto the front straight - I'm guessing that I was doing 105 to 110 through the turn at the bottom of the hill going onto the front straight - are thrilling every time. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 1 22:34:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53C62D083C for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 22:34:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1712D0381 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 22:03:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so2860929qab.14 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 21:04:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vYgwmdFwyeTYqvYfjsV4Lmo6De+A8oq4WIEvRzZn17c=; b=D1OKFt9Aojxa355oqU4NHColTSgpbvmzMiKfhUlL3p+YNUpyPT5XGhe23P4rztrGMO iV7G0hKGihcVrXjnC9ho1KhzLASMgb3myit0F2QN8EoN5KRYmlMeozcOFaLPj6DK5Rt9 ZJuQRBgmmbaO6YzqAlYzL06H+iukUO40b1yU8biZ4QIYdz8u28E8ZBoRlOqQpddAjsXa 3pR738M7r3nu3MqUQDIf1d0lgXICfp+i3E/bUeM9qLXOsO717p0cf9PHGdOptcnwIEpC UFk+urlBe6FXd6fEhPmJ0+WZn2THBgesr2i/aVCKE95iUfXmjp/+Kb/oy5qOBqEHoRsz 6ETw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.108.193 with SMTP id g1mr23123380qap.7.1335931452783; Tue, 01 May 2012 21:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.240.82 with HTTP; Tue, 1 May 2012 21:04:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:04:12 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WhUPgFPakir6nKqLiXvNypUW3ag Message-ID: From: Irv Korey To: "Robert M. Lang" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] So.... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's > paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him > down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". > I saw Fletcher Williams visiting with Sam Halkias. A terrific photo opportunity lost because I wasn't packing at the time. It was very cool. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 07:23:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F022D08A6 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 07:23:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA432D0438 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so580697bkc.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:52:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=dFY+xCNpyKycvZob9sFGJ5SUDzKJqdEJ+AJY1ppFwIQ=; b=0CLIf+/7QSFAJZtvGUznIeZ9UJcs+iPNNf2ZZFgX6NxRrblVfiRtZA58hF/STBw9Ny f9IeDltgM3H/el8Hi2hL2OzIzpk0CgcfzQQ/k9atLRok1pQ7fhF7/mqcOSzd4gOEYlMx IwUKD7/Yvbj72ZmuGrajOs5xx7vbmmwuFr84Wn5xkycgaqNH5EcxRevqh6Fe2p/vC3Sb sFibhoUBnnukB5hOOFCmCMxIMgGbGwZopBF+5n1P7ToWHCthvCdHYSXA/O5AGkCSM4BX FoQUTcMfclt2X37ArufbzLcQe6oUYAPA6VRJ/z6XWQ3y2+3Dx4l7CS/WxEyKdoZVf9Hs u4oQ== Received: by 10.204.151.211 with SMTP id d19mr9699493bkw.63.1335963167945; Wed, 02 May 2012 05:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-108-231.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.108.231]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v2sm3598660bkw.16.2012.05.02.05.52.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 05:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 14:52:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000301cd2862$7a487f50$6ed97df0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0m0DuvItnLV8CnQtCLo54qBDAjHAAM+HIgAAFgaUAAJMBHIAAxccLQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Adjustments making progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmSUohHeXHM Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 10:06:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F383F2D0B68 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF832D086B for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 09:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so1153773yhr.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oiLbr9EDHjdZ5dGJ7xvi95pL5k1ez29Rk1Uc4580vXc=; b=k8KmrxiTfJgmw+Ip2XPeltw1GtHL8ZyZaz5oBfxBchM3f58hO2JUj/gpsPy87/I1Av rvKRk0cVOuGkvTFTw5/TjIV0Q+PbXYXZFF1vTXX0MCgRpxSN6yMaLAVDhoNQqseUw2Kb HnB2eow08jD4RaAYi9upP5oG7cahk7S8sW1d9fdumOtns8wWd3aCzwbgYS7mXZDJ/hwl cPTLSZ4B5V75FEKbguVMvsgbtmc08DYPSYdPKLsS2MdXyNGk2q29AfDExz+01RyiOBSw l9TNqSFnCgYyOSRIvKftjGl/Uo2TE5ajx+ii7kSuLPLfacIsp+eVg8QtDu2DV3GwEAjU hHFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.216.232 with SMTP id ot8mr6085117igc.22.1335972634279; Wed, 02 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.3.7 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Mitty race start photos X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Follow this link to see the pregrid and the actual race start. Let me know if you cannot access these. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 Chuck -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 14:14:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB5E2D08DD for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:14:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3D02D07EE for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:19:30 -0400 Received: from d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (d01relay01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.233]) by d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D40138C8373 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id q42JI3iv050974 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:18:03 -0400 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id q430mpex014326 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:48:51 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id q430mpIl014275 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:48:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: X-KeepSent: 51ECF97A:E5492A7A-852579F2:0069D1CD; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1FP5 SHF29 November 12, 2010 Message-ID: From: George Harmuth Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:17:37 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML099/01/M/IBM(Release 8.5.3 ZX853HP5|January 12, 2012) at 05/02/2012 15:17:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12050219-7182-0000-0000-0000016A3F9F X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Some more pictures from the K cup pre race event and general weekend images. https://picasaweb.google.com/103707539158952448697/TheMitty2012# mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 14:18:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8B92D0918 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:18:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9572D07F9; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q42JNSGf032689; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:23:28 -0400 Received: from core-mta002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D4C78E00008C; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Message-ID: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) To: tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net, triumphs@autox.team.net, nass@yahoogroups.com, spitfires@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net, tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Originating-IP: [205.232.231.3] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335986608; bh=EE2EoAMftPwmYEy3W0qGHCvi0IR/88ErYwRYRnjbs9E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QusjRqZjC1KNCqe7Gq9i8UPO6MxnbQ9/oOqZz37zZFUYLt3c5FOlii54BAZ7VzEOf T6uSlBg5ilE2lXNw3w2SeJpCXMe/RjekoJ7bLaFHANalw0qZbIvaKWXnyBeLONTZSi AVk6GsfLl4tQxNm2rifAl0wXuY6jlrqC+gjOyGJo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424246688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094fa189af1674 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 17:18:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0F22D073C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:18:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300D42D07B8 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU139-W4 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 May 2012 15:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.216.185.208] From: Rich Rock To: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:40:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2012 22:40:03.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[83F99A50:01CD28B4] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Import Carlisle X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill DeWar and I will also be at Carlisle in spaces A-35-39. Assorted TR, TVR, and race-related stuff. Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 17:48:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0862D08CF for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:48:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E162D077D for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q42N1r4e011578; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:53 -0400 Received: from core-msb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.137]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DA187E000085; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> To: BillDentin@aol.com, tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-BASIC Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 May 2012 19:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:52 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1335999713; bh=Ami9VlhAuLRIE6afukMFG2WpfXt0mPSW7M0sz5aJQbI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JjW2skHC65I3r3QQfMrrqMHA/r5KcpfXw4F3idBDmIdssOqRJ867shsGi6uFXijRt FI3CUQxBSTkgtIvgICZTIOzqx3Vms/67zPoA0Fcnll+kfoztscnIQniMvY66W7qA0n qtqKMBiYfwjY0LxhHWQH3hH98Vsq6/o7ITjvZNQI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449575552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74fa1bce00a9e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 17:50:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D422D09D8 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:50:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B23722D0909 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 23:23:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.87] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 23:23:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2012 23:23:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 64167.92260.bm@omp1024.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6345 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2012 23:23:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336000983; bh=BDUM5LPkvirmaBvtUv5PQrv9Zvnx8dV/EL2EdXFsA8M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=imk2doBMd2dZVNvx8N3hQPooSqirdgSctolZM3T1v857i9qYdsls8FtsDIk0hdh6DIrzwj2ozI2stNVI/evpawf0IRp2bRnTXfe5eOXmgdIBAYnGojWy1AmQ26mhLFGbCJh+JAGjjOa7Cwdknuv8w7jc4M8XnB7ijfzz1kaGBtc= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fw51TFgw40KTx5IdrKaNxVGfgl64IjEl84JOZT1AY5UBUakBgIwF5LUYi74Hj3t4VHkgG/aufSgjfwqwtuuEMGbjh92rBBXE4fQiXrY2pEWsChm906hl2OML1gI5Rdesn9up71e0OsGmCg7kKN5ZY/YrJyXOGwL5MxMDy7qmTGs=; X-YMail-OSG: 2ubu4tMVM1lZhxHaDMaCow0m_wcY95qbmUjQrgqkUKcHQ.M RlkkzGrCtNFgAz6qJhyMKd465Relib98.DU7ar_DrCkIrGw1oQXDvDxcJk22 vYRHa7BKuaIqOhotqkyLbQLOHalU3dYfBFFbFlztzHxVoN8KIaMzJf5cE65W aoHj8Anv5uGEk3IMZ2yQO0IrVfpDRTJtmVZ1vLKCW8XC1KR4FrdxpYd4VBTO j.1.fTanKotYZEI7qcRkjrUZOBb4sKi8czVdBs_V5s5Yt3enQ9uvbOaqJUfI tfmaYPrNPPW5pfVLI7_5hJBgqyi8U_yk1tkUmwKiFC.8Ag4_rM2ilrk15Fca 2K0wdIQNVEvZMeu380gBFSegqU0mhxfMrGLZarzeYY6GFx8y4mjKY0WfpLuM .QwMedrVaHHK93UI- Received: from [63.229.224.141] by web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2012 16:23:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: westerneagleracing@att.net To: fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 18:44:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741E52D084F for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:44:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3EF2D04A5; Wed, 2 May 2012 17:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3F00AHZ6I9U691@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:56:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "william r tobin" To: "Ted Schumacher" , , "FOT" , "TR list" , "TR8 CCCA Listing" , "6-Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:56:35 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Import Carlisle X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ted, what's the date on that? Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: ; "FOT" ; "TR list" ; "TR8 CCCA Listing" ; "6-Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. > If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, > please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided > brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say > hello. Thanks, Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx@bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:11:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A46E2D0619 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:11:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3532D07EF for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q430KfgL006137; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:41 -0400 Received: from core-msb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.137]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 14380E000082; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:41 -0400 (EDT) References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To: westerneagleracing@att.net, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-BASIC Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 May 2012 20:20:40 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF6D9B4D6D5F5-1CAC-2CC9C@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:41 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336004441; bh=sSKTDbUNj9LSoZk+GYEbaUVoDAISBfqCEW122QDGNo4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JmoUEZ/MO//EvKj0hKXbfbgkoweNvNJhh6QnuBycCQjuRSqPBaiCleJxXG5k5g4WZ YN+0DySbRPu++VJaOEi1k+9Mbfl0o9sNp0dpRpy5BG9SaA52YQsKXKo2IEZSu4EC0w GLHIL3kKVEL8a2vgJDSqPdlh8b2AJulVMHGcqjhU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457156128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4fa1cf5938f1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We ran 19 years without having a broken crank. Without any special preparation. Now we have a billet crank, but only because we came into a 'cracked' billet crank. I was going to make another end table out of. It sat unprotected on a pallet in a storage shed for about 4 years, when I decided to get a 'second opinion'. It was pronounced 'good' AT TWO DIFFERENT MACHINE SHOPS. Otherwise we would still be running a stock crank. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing To: fot Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:45:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721472D07F4 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:45:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BBB2D039E for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:46:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q430lIrC011718; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 Received: from core-mta002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 57054E00008F; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> To: n197tr4@cs.com, tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: billdentin@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 76.199.166.239 by webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com (205.188.91.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [76.199.166.239] Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336006038; bh=feneyOr063pRP6Ez88llAmkEaaQIyBSD+BJlcQd0dYA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=usxB0ayhLAqWJ6rFRYVssLvOH7eQ43ahNruNk2BXE9yYjtneqSN+KlO2MF20yG2wl SJxrJHun1DgHnWufAsUNpafuH6a9UMEzwbV6ePsCLBKNMNFftAyztI+E3uoZsz1Tk8 lOWNv7lr4hD4rTm0yhoASnCPLpQhZLVbdIQVAhzo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:451896800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4fa1d5962fc5 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:49:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5DA2D099B for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:49:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781C72C0D24 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q430pFZC008864; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 Received: from core-msb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.137]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 81F07E00008A; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 (EDT) References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> To: billdentin@aol.com, tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-BASIC Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336006275; bh=KLhlL2lNx9+didUNkci1geUWC2HqA2mhSQAsB6HH/pU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=koML/1EHn+1uEgTxXXaQO34PJPqVti3ErrN1IqkqsgTJleu+9Wpcu135AEyWmsOPF vz1NjahIiWe3OZYUEPklnF3+ff1t0EF/nrNVuwZ2PQwNb1nOL2NqOaqlrAxSRXsNQ+ FbWyhVxVyi4FMibYkI+hDQpjVRJK/tw37oCSp1Io= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:466084480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a4fa1d6833f6a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. It sets us apart. If you dont have one, you should. Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 19:50:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5D42D09D6 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:50:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050922D06D6 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:52:14 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1336006354; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=tY9Sqz1TDjXPQFIDXCaZCbMxNyA=; b=iE6V49LR7tXSC6ksbS9pcs7R9i/sapsGWdI2hv5xPl3h+Eb/eE4PuSt6FRlU51UG 1y/DAPO2TIYIquC+Ok3Mf/s+1V3FG2EDDGcS1OO6i9biqC1ZlRRpDzO/vx6ulVg1; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Uv/hxpMB c=1 sm=0 a=9f-m7vV-vusA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=sFFnthQPhlgg-rCRa7EA:9 a=yHx5chF-4iYnd78TYiYA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [10.50.3.117] ([10.50.3.117:59065] helo=md23.embarq.synacor.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTP id 1D/70-23199-2D6D1AF4; Wed, 02 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 (EDT) From: William T newman To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.54.30.112] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2328.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.15_GA_2995) Cc: maueman@yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. Do we have a second? Bill Newman #44 GT6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 20:20:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FDD2D0893 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889C22D068F for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spamtest4.bright.net (spamtest4.bright.net [209.143.0.182]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q431MFAb006754; Wed, 2 May 2012 21:22:16 -0400 Received: from rg6.cniteam.com (rg6.cniteam.com [209.143.0.246]) by spamtest4.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q431N7dK025760; Wed, 2 May 2012 21:23:26 -0400 Received: from [10.229.122.216] (11.sub-174-231-65.myvzw.com [174.231.65.11]) by rg6.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id ECA58996 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net); Wed, 2 May 2012 21:23:24 -0400 Message-ID: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> From: "tedtsimx@bright.net" To: "Joe Alexander", BillDentin@aol.com, FOT@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:23:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: -8.90 () [Hold at 6.00] HTML_MESSAGE,24(-10),5(0.1),50(1) X-CanIt-Geo: No geolocation information available for 209.143.0.246 X-CanItPRO-Stream: all (inherits from default) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 209.143.0.182 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, et al. Total agreement with FOT staying "inside" the group. Not sure if there is enough interest to do another run of FOT t.shirts. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: BillDentin@aol.com, tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 23:01:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 20:44:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACDA2D07F0 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:44:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E399E2D077C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 01:57:15 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.203] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 01:57:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 01:57:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1336010235; bh=Le+RAfchJZDxArSxCTfbnHVkgmTW4KUpOlng6An1GP0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WN0+F/mACQM7VDp4BWLyRhNh5/ljNLh480gnlXcAzUhgDu8VAxMSPXMZkSHi0UZzEzR7ikxwbcpIcfs99mBedKmuMB9Nzg+ndR1swXHHaaEV3Z1d7PIODeiagAf5aKXNSQUFKzGFqzM/fZ1zZjn+nPVdVcnqKFZmY1eyoriREeE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 687479.79712.bm@smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: eftvduoVM1mIMbrzAi5KixdcNJS2brqgKACLwm30wzD7eCa .qu_Q7FLzpHcEeBWqwZtPvdj8KJRWrRjEOoUW4Z7o2vvlYjLFUZ5rA5Owht_ 0IIFoRyCBBOh6caFeH0lqv8fyTtVmE6qA.pb5iyIkqF0v2CC_Fzgd9MDlh7e TH0Cgx_jkZDJq2l7Yh99BVZj5I1INwPGteC8AtzvYdbMT3fNT7rWxt08NoGK e31CHlt_Dn3mbiVkS8wZQ.6EEC8HyFEsT_Yrr_NDziK3aV.DvH9sjFw6SdD. Gtosr12A6R_SEtWfmYhkXJXrue8LeLV0z1toSBY.KNTvmvDWMETP1jwyJ.ud im6vQXxfmyq2UR_uBJBjzS2wCPVSLOfCABDTAzr6qEdjWq3Lz_hU8CsfqlTo GGYEicTHqyZIzxQsBwSIVRFmb8VhVon6CY9H_85fkYV6_ZF8X2rMzIq_3xTF Kub8pZYYMHd0o596GdSCaxrpBralLATl43ZQU38lYba2P6RwYUxGkWGD9nba xWFknGDBSNoOz6kzVPw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: _lMlaL2swBCNeG0IuxO2TIRPBRfHezGk6Vo7h52hKSvU1pc- Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dmitchel@68.248.72.129 with plain) by smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 May 2012 18:57:15 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Mitchell To: William T newman MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: maueman@yahoo.com, Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 20:44:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77162D0974 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:44:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298892D05C0 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so1304368lbj.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 19:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=tAMBE4yb0w5Ncl8y0epLuryqkVmXx9fOTglR6S1k8iE=; b=DZRW6pfRnfSJSM9ejqGeKk5NobV/o6Vzj+APgmhDKdALt3KrNmVzkwE1xcI36OP9k0 6dPvOCHNaxpBhrQ3eer3G1Tw/qpjHvGI4R7k1o1Qcb8WtvjE6NCLhJrYNKO5YtGEvIXP RnB1HBlHf6/yKY2lVjHHv4PIfnahjH3gg9nlVhpgmCsN6uXnJs0HhvdDUfSqouK2smLl vm7+VK77/rU+p78RXzxmiVz6LuK46yVqS89oWAzrGUJ3hMH9nCSU/6hbHd0Qjgbhow9g hq1Ow1VZELobwwpL6yK/HBfkvYLx/6Qmtnqv/H77Bq6FhMZyKPwZmmOxcTEEK5URBNDQ a32g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.101 with SMTP id sl5mr258085lab.51.1336010495258; Wed, 02 May 2012 19:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.87.35 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [98.227.224.136] In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:01:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: Joe Alexander X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQllSwrqAhL/0yUmdmQ0OJsgLZl7XiyN+EsuMka61vyWJHT/7+Q3gcGXx8PBpznBgs7LqEce X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Clearly, above all others, FOT is THE Triumph racing group. Or Non group. Even my Mitty crew chief, Brian laughs and has started his own group... Friends of Friends of Triumph. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > > It sets us apart. > > If you dont have one, you should. > > Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billdentin > To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > > Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > > The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks > to Ted, > Steve, and Marty's efforts. > > The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > > I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > > Joe..et all... > > I did not know that. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this > group. > I am not suggesting a change! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 20:46:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926A62D06AF for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:46:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381ED2D043C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:16:14 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YOrf1XPW2sMIs+FvBvvDvaXc93Cs7pUMM9jsuW42OsuSbUIpbIoXec7rc0/+uD/8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.45] (helo=elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SPlb2-0002Iq-Jn; Wed, 02 May 2012 22:16:44 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2012 22:16:44 -0400 Message-ID: <13220485.1336011404387.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: Joe Alexander , billdentin@aol.com, tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7890bac52c816f5cce750ce4e2bfade2239a348a220c2609ef24bcadf0e19e6595738868a8fe4dfd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: steve List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I wear my FOT shirt when I go underneath my TR3. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Alexander >Sent: May 2, 2012 5:51 PM >To: billdentin@aol.com, tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > >It sets us apart. > >If you dont have one, you should. > >Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: billdentin >To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > >Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > >The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, >Steve, and Marty's efforts. > >The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > >I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > >Joe..et all... > >I did not know that. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. >I am not suggesting a change! >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 21:21:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3701E2D084F for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 21:21:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EB72D0653 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPm06-0006S9-FV; Wed, 02 May 2012 21:42:38 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:42:19 -0500 To: westerneagleracing@att.net,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120503032113.3701E2D084F@autox.team.net> As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or two. Tony Drews At 06:23 PM 5/2/2012, westerneagleracing@att.net wrote: >FOT, >I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any >alternatives >to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super >powerful >170-190). >Thanks. >Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 21:22:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B8B2D08FC for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 21:22:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EC32D06DD for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 20:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W57 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 May 2012 19:43:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.132.139] From: marty sukey To: , FOT Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:43:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>, <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2012 02:43:21.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[8116CD40:01CD28D6] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: maueman@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second! I was wondering what happened to that Spit. Welcome to the group Gary. Marty > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 > From: mnewman@embarqmail.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > CC: maueman@yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello List: > I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. > Do we have a second? > > Bill Newman #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 2 23:03:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED5F2D0982 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 23:03:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C422D0774 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 22:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so2546706obb.14 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Kdu8Kj5zFZkh0Hl0wgyyt+mLnv1SCb2Le6x7Zv9lvLQ=; b=D3AouclEO5cLWBco/FwFNvuWmY5JFbz5fCAfd7tNeF5vB4sM7DDAoex9DHHOBjIpSx B4oBT9rhrOsn1LZa2qK3/fi1SBk/V7yWzeOf5AYtBdwsd3FXJ+B5TkPj3AJwrhlPwlpi N5wEfpG3AXL5eGCdISwUVlAK1SbUcpcVbFXMUYM1ibEuxsuiGFYcy3C4Hyx6Kvj3HdOu vF38c4mnoUWZGC39whTYhQrnzFMLIFF5A7NzSjAQvj8AN4iKsCrgqAPhOeyVPRlrP62V 8gPnmWmPUCWgE6BLGFBgRrS+W9tFEoPPJ2erhJcMrz1NSdDg8LzYUqcPgS7by9bWhtEd KVOQ== Received: by 10.60.25.162 with SMTP id d2mr880964oeg.30.1336019359595; Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-35-219.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.35.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch5sm4437948obb.16.2012.05.02.21.29.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:17 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 00:04:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ACF2D07DE for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:04:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33432D0691 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 23:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your89d26e0447 (unverified [67.180.229.74]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 2 May 2012 22:24:47 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 67.180.229.74=OK;gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 67.180.229.74=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 67.180.229.74=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: , References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:22:41 -0700 Organization: Engine Room MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1424 [2411/4973] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, a properly prepared, nitrided, stock crank is good for 6800 rpm and 160 hp for a long time with light rods, pistons, and an aluminum flywheel with a diaphragm clutch. It does not need a damper on the front. It does need nice radiuses on all of the journals, a good balance, and nitriding is essential. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 00:36:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3792D07CC for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:36:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC6A2D02B8 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 23:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99C62E0B8 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FA21FCC.30901@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:03:56 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT@autox.team.net References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> In-Reply-To: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm wearing this year's shirt as I sit here going through email. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 00:37:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B102D08D7 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:37:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au (outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308AE2D071C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:00:31 -0600 (MDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAAMeok9yxmwF/2dsb2JhbABEsyOBB4IJAQEFCDIUNwEDAgYDDQICBAEBAScHGRgVCQgBAQQBEgsSBIdrDLsIkQgEjXqJFYUHhRwOhQCCeg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,521,1330876800"; d="scan'208";a="777283615" Received: from unknown (HELO TOSHIBAM70) ([114.198.108.5]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 03 May 2012 14:00:55 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:00:52 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0o6ncl0un8V0GrTNmRE0S2+AQLygABnAWg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TeriAnn, You are absolutely correct about wanting to stay away from any crankshafts natural frequency. Operating in this range will induce crankshaft 'whip' and severe bending moments into the crankshaft. Breaking the crank somewhere in the middle is quite typical of this failure mode as the nose of the crank and the rear of the crank are bending 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Flywheel bolts that shear as a result of stretching is another indicator you are in the natural frequency zone. No amount of nitriding or any other surface treatment known to mankind will stop it breaking. Lots of racing boat people learn this lesson quickly! Trying to run at a set RPM range that coincides with the cranks natural frequency! Extremely expensive mistake when it can be avoided by operating a few hundred RPM higher or lower! Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 2:29 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 00:37:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E74B2D09EA for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:37:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C542D0796 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ADA2E0B8 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 00:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:12:11 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Neat car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 01:37:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE9A2D089D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 01:37:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B936A2D07D6 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 01:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so107635eek.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 00:05:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=IEnYTnACyR93YADc5ipp2woJySUz9lOwyNt16FyvAZY=; b=ZLFLbY1aHU+kzaKsyitSvnLR97r1YtT+/tNx4yAFVyQXkRYpjcNFD8TJm7o7GE4YGI Jb8EMKrN8aA/1AwWEVj6d6vnwsCOSA1rfA6cb5QKCr/WEGvNzBYMVtGXG4SgKzO1Rw++ T9yg0s2/JGMnXdSHoNHOLZeDAlkzogq6ntQulRJQUrkDbiL1RgYKEH/Vh8x/nzwhR3ar aMuee5iQXZ3Bi8kjssIVUB104zWoIg1y/l9OCfxp/dXh5C/VeO7SQ/Dw6qrs7KkhScxt f7RnRFZ4IdKTTf13zwUcPsMT5+TLF4TOqfB8Fh50xk5YllXEptBEXLYLeNf+DRzhiCk6 sODQ== Received: by 10.14.95.10 with SMTP id o10mr133014eef.129.1336028758194; Thu, 03 May 2012 00:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n56sm20758161eeb.4.2012.05.03.00.05.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 May 2012 00:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:05:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120503073750.6EE9A2D089D@autox.team.net> Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 04:42:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E222D083B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 04:42:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C627E2D03D9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 04:21:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=am1cjL7qhai8SD/VRZKIvA==:17 a=OFhLFLKpOosA:10 a=Uqg822TH_dUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=vEt-irjul6rshwaN1t4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=am1cjL7qhai8SD/VRZKIvA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 72.189.92.160 Received: from [72.189.92.160] ([72.189.92.160:61687] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/2E-05935-B3C52AF4; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 06:15:37 -0400 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's are cast or forged? thxx, Bob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 06:13:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22B92D070D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 06:13:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F632D0384 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 05:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so1601822vcb.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 04:20:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pvFtbpF/uSQPknZB5Tv0R9BMo2Zx5P8CsQccIlB1x/E=; b=qggmZQttJZPdXE0JFag1sqcOniHXsrE5UU06V44su0TFZeHBco3UY5NNt50rKgG5nt osZWYyHfVSH+XX+Z9rSTtnyub7Vf3/Ikdm2MixWT+dzmn0TR3beYK2Fggplzn4GWH4pg uzG+/JFDwIeTvhhwv/DrQXIx5ehhgIyiArfDy94TFQTIfZu3vdEQikOIHhF8Magx2tq3 LS8x+1a5UumK+pavKvB890pSvseG5XxifVIcJzPK+gKLvnHjwkLAaUHYtRJjOsGqhJCv RMQjg4TznWsKTp29DXEMWOnjZeQdg7gMMjhfnFz9ZA/r802fb4vHN8xYuRy4573GM410 jlrg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.70.138 with SMTP id m10mr837794vdu.23.1336044038059; Thu, 03 May 2012 04:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.47.199 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 04:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would be nice to know before buying? We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set up for their clutches only. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 06:15:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D912D0921 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 06:15:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0182D06C7 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 05:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5NqU1j00127AodY5CPPYWl; Thu, 03 May 2012 11:23:32 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.112]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5PPl1j01c2RH0YC3fPPmMX; Thu, 03 May 2012 11:23:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Joe Alexander Message-ID: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [69.47.238.105] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 06:15:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6FC2D09C9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 06:15:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9182D06D6 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 05:31:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43BW2rX024393; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:02 -0400 Received: from core-msc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.205]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4ECA8E000082; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:02 -0400 (EDT) References: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: fogbro1@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 May 2012 07:32:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEF7377DF18608-2334-B39@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336044722; bh=qZC0sHNARgdg8VzWsmLwtlwpR1+cWjX4VbiqM14n3DU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PUO9XCSnBPU9MLhXFU0whZNxjw8twsD1Veq9Qb8bbb7rfisA7dXUXfWyXE823cFUY voVpmPuC4RBX5fK29o72RVMR/suZZtiitenU5ETkW5jDl+h0tymPDujKuZI0CmAvVC jDdutZmLjw1dmvSA5d7aZJt7cUNNBwqVqbfQfPmw= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398620736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094fa26cb260f1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Cranks X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Was there a banjo involved? Did you start to hear DUELING BANJOS? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:23 am Subject: TR Cranks Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 07:32:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8412D08C5 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC3092D0426 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 06:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 12:50:54 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.40] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 12:50:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 12:50:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336049454; bh=r7PhkD1/y08yJ+rv5ylRqclTyNxqyuaIkrVFyqeGEOs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:To:From:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ce7uYLXWrAufBTuOgkXG8jaFiI49/tPbgjvOuSGbBV+i8WZC5UQyezYJcskNxIOgxK7RkeZRijQ1dqh5GpY1JQI0UUos87pUvSGDZBmFlkgUuXvYS3kKCxkvdGLm5qc1DJgjbH/lnVrn2cYkHzl8v9KyqTTO7qjtJHuCzKQ9WcI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 693560.92419.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <693560.92419.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VkRkjk8VM1lnOLAu0SHxT8VATQHGBDVEYGtKXg1L72hk0vY GIdsu7GmyHCgaV6iWWSmmc0.hP3Uu0UO5yJevgKBa68vISyvDmy1_AmPM4lt DsI7Ag.WEHOJRyIextqTMrQT2CCv1PKeGdcMZAn0AhbRVXqUewRZjwMi1WAv UUA6zJ.XgMGtJvGV2x0EH_R_BBLKSEFUX5XHff7.gFvrPEE6uaupGyMUqJc0 VHmQAkTYuxCvIHysOW5EtxEB47zFruIVrIYsfZ02jpLRBDVj.BmfW7U7R5Oo VmFYNeq.gDIL6jQCBohVF1F.1pzkLTmF.Sb5Rd0dcBuJqVKOKU_QT8Q42bgr oLdS1.Jnp4w1WhTjUXvxnNZHudK2jWBeZw9A2rGy9IqaSdF7DkVSYA0MvzsT di9syHBZDX3KAl_rWCIX5b4yrb7iKY.CUKnQEPmgqkIhtYE658TVry96VA7A XG.C7xZLKdMqFzGua0ESw2knO3CGNW6Q3C9SxMmRPrGiOiqyqRxXyz3uK75q L X-Yahoo-SMTP: LH9cHAiswBCHHpNIHLN5IGnAYpo- Received: from [108.106.175.250] (maueman@108.106.175.250 with login) by smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2012 05:50:53 -0700 PDT To: "=?utf-8?B?RG91ZyBNaXRjaGVsbA==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?V2lsbGlhbSBUIG5ld21hbg==?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?bWF1ZW1hbkB5YWhvby5jb20=?=" Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 08:50:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nomination?= X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: "William T newman" Cc: "Fot" , Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 07:34:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405EF2D095E for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 07:34:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D442D0660 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 06:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm8 with SMTP id m8so2429213yen.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 05:57:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=euftkMROQaAYm0VC07J02QCnyEVCGZZqCB+1RiiH0X0=; b=xegMjefOjf8gPaExIg5V7zjdTzW0an4BYTO2K2URHXhJfcLqnQlXRFMpCS0qb8N5aw 15DMKYZdkFKjXiJtbnhs6DjeJFvCc88za8Ubx0KPsl6pNX+1mbUyEqqH5c55YTtQ6TnO jRy/Hu4iynIKrpSCCo2Z9N4NxSr1wOVPLyCf4SfHwT4+ujY0Txx2anSKzWotVaXoUmcV ox5W7m8IEY0aazUCDAl+8NymMmyd89s9jml3Q61fXuaqVY1vwCklYVu1X1V6BaDw+oWX G+mN41cIElipKMH9hVkW/h77bSmo0LlpOyDwDTkiIIVvPd6QKrAJ6cXRT0YatOc4eiyu tVKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.179.104 with SMTP id df8mr660960igc.11.1336049852949; Thu, 03 May 2012 05:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.120.4 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 05:57:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> References: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:57:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Deanes To: "Clark W. Nicholls" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net, George Harmuth Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net that "Beady Eye" crew still has the bicycle style steering wheel next to their comunications device, I want ask what the hand levers do ! On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits > (last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running > you'll need to contact Road Atlanta. > > Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it, > whether it is open to everyone is a good question. > > Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can > provide a "hot-spot" > > Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 08:48:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0B52D09CB for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:48:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A3E2D0153 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 08:15:54 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from don ([96.20.239.101]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M3G0081BAANXBA0@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for FOT@autox.team.net; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <97802FA417DE4B28AC32930632CA4909@don> From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: Mark J Bradakis , Friends of Triumph References: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 10:16:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Neat car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TS1 is really a very special car. I saw it in Auburn Indiana at TRA just after Joe Richards had completed its restoration. TS2 is another very special TR. Last summer, I was fortunate to drive TS2 for 23 days through England and Wales for a total of 2088 miles. I took it to the Antique Car Show at Newby Hall in Yorkshire, drove it four runs up the Harewood Hillclimb and attended the TR Register International Weekend in Harrogate (estimated 450 TRs of all kinds) where I was asked to lead the parade of International TRs. That was dream come true. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Neat car >I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you > who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns > TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have > such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the > work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:16:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845172D06D6 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:16:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FBB2D09F9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:35:29 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: den.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q43GZrvh005742; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:35:57 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: , References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0o/7o9QZQBLW3iSQWj0Ho+ydDqwAASw1+A In-Reply-To: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=EA4TKtgQB3Z9ovAlipIA:9 a=qmZXQ4OB3TXxTcpSn_kA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=EYE8wTkq5dQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=FBo8bLSz6hxEUrV2:21 a=BD3wLB4MX2vI94L9:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FA2B3ED.018F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing@googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:06 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:51:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B082D09E5 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:51:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1FA2D0298 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:48:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.250.35.191] (199.sub-174-254-120.myvzw.com [174.254.120.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q43Gkhf1011258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 3 May 2012 12:49:15 -0400 References: From: John Hasty In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:26:29 -0400 To: Jason Ostrowski Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=7tBfn1u/1qsiCBwE0Dg/XNHRPrXRqCh0S8k+6vWWeYk= c=1 sm=1 a=3ymJciWwTmIA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nIl913sZfuQDCJzGbG4KRg==:17 a=b4TgfONAAAAA:8 a=IycorkwCAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=FeSPfurBU0mubfE468kA:9 a=LLPWkto4q2skgg_30uUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=kp3uRgNowesA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=nIl913sZfuQDCJzGbG4KRg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4FA2B70C.0088, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... If I knew how to put my video on utube you could see e what it's like in a 4 banger. Turn 1 4 th turn 2 is 3rd turn 4 is 4 th through tunn 4 tturn 6 is 3 rd turn 7 is 3 rd & then to 3 rd O D back to 3rd for 8 is 2nd turn 9 on back straight is 5 th ( od) 10 & 10a is 2nd turn 11 is 3rd turn 12 is 4th & then 5 th (od) & back to 4th in 1 I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office cac put it on youtube Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often > told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce > production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on > T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several > in car youtube videos. > Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . > It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several > very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. > To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a > track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very > heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. > Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, > it can be quite daunting. > Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. > What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. > > Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final > Triumph feature race. > > Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. > I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas > (TR6) > I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe > Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. > . > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email > > The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave > me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. > > Enjoy! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 11:52:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDA42D0A52 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 11:52:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com (e5.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CF22D0298 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e5.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:45:01 -0400 Received: from d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (d01relay01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.233]) by d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FE938C810B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id q43Ggrs2084634 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:54 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id q43GgrxO021196 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:53 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id q43Ggr96021182 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: X-KeepSent: 8FB8BFCC:D934345A-852579F3:005B237E; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1FP5 SHF29 November 12, 2010 Message-ID: From: George Harmuth Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML099/01/M/IBM(Release 8.5.3 ZX853HP5|January 12, 2012) at 05/03/2012 12:42:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12050316-5930-0000-0000-000007954739 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Headers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 14:17:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8941B2D07C0 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:17:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp04.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp04.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91072D095B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b18.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.118]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q43FDXFt004866; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:42:42 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1530600928 Message-ID: <1530600928-1336070562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-803338926-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal To: "George Harmuth" , "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:42:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: gasket.works@gte.net List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased the individual Stahl pre-bent tubes, made my own flange and built my own header. 4 into one. Then used burns stainless collector (non-stainless). Fun to do if you can weld. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 12:42:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 14:23:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146352D0A03 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:23:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from xsmtp10.mail2web.com (xsmtp30.mail2web.com [168.144.250.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13A92D0653 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.5.41.32] (helo=M2W132.mail2web.com) by xsmtp10.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SQ1Tk-0000EV-QJ; Thu, 03 May 2012 15:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> X-Originating-IP: 66-148-204-68 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "spitfiresuz@141.com" To: harmug@us.ibm.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:15:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: spitfiresuz@141.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug@us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz@141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 15:10:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADDE2D08FC for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:10:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D2E922D0611 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm36.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 19:39:15 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 19:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 19:39:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 19:39:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 131127.66987.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 24721 invoked from network); 3 May 2012 19:39:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336073955; bh=pwo4Ykb/8Oe+zPGHF14zTsx/rPxiuDSYJAXXZ4UIEPM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Q9UEK12YJdw0xg6Lh/UOcoIvvYiXAxsn9qBhUXq4WvmmFycQ6AIA5Tm/MgbFOh/4lY1z7HGsCna/uOQTw0TAXN/O14sQSNKC/IS0TetO1wZrbbxvrNxkow59cWXniQ+RfhUa+m+OM3BYWNcK8zTlreFu5LBjwQT61NHnF8dd+iA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TPql3PoVM1lFVNix73XsP76irRCayCU_TURj4BOV4TqhqQs BfiMOt4zrfFhM0VtlxhQOwW7aRzyzDKgBIOgUhB3VhaEAlkf46i_ug0uO_S2 jItcVZFf3GSBfoyLQonOl6EQdNRNY89ZHMwofF9O8ZCmFoL0Feqwg8Gbq0HB bCuarsyaMx93UKPuBDW1GqWp.Ax1rimt4RhtiSAnZrDqeMeOTfS1bydO6EIH vR.4cbKK9YZzeRKUvRf25jIiIugKLjv7qMUjBd0ByhVf0nkSdmdIFs2IFmHZ v0SfUoyfTPanWejMDSJUBmFsLPCdDkZ2L6k1KBbTdzQfE1ETmzALyXUiStBg oLw1p8aiTJlELLShBn3NbKPSt0SX0X325yOV5eYkacS0FivY6wQbUTQFCcDM cjNCo1RgnbZ4EFxpHT59awKL9tjIsXUwDooaN0gdEHJ1nFHOPCHQHTMHC_FV hoXW4hqOrB7AqXx.tSGu3olJGmIQ4cfjDrSIh2UH8xPRh4TcEoXuDfKk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: EHs0oO2swBCLyRHcKZVMKRYD7RPV8Av4q_ii53JJ9GGVODHtnbY- Received: from rocky (rocky@65.64.191.46 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2012 12:39:14 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <2A90151941A64CB48DAB418E5012B377@rocky> From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Brad Kahler" , "Friends of Triumph" References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:39:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net After I chewed up a flywheel/clutch, my engine builder hung a Quartermaster on my car. We did have some difficulties getting it to work right at first, eventually traced not to the Quartermaster setup but to the throwout arm/bearing in my bellhousing. Once we finally got that chased down, the QM has worked fine. But it is a bit of an on/off switch, to the point I find it difficult to drive the car on the trailer. So now we usually push it on, which with at least two pushing ain't so hard. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire (HP race, GP solo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) > Amici, > > Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race > cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would > be nice to know before buying? > > We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set > up for their clutches only. > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 15:16:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639EB2D0A9D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:16:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDBF2D09C7 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43Jm40b006052; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:48:07 -0400 Received: from core-msc004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.205]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0CA61E000085; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.107) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 May 2012 15:48:06 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF77CCB69D886-1824-2B29B@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336074487; bh=trpzZ978wqdV/5gX8lZrArV4kzTS/NQ10/8NN28AY8g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WC1yhH4TiaUNFOzdAhw6vIAnopAuGOJz2PGhEvZecHVE9IKnfBoMRYoUPrx7IrBLN npehSkM/wjlOTCG6o+34R5gd+9ovloPB68Ub4zg6JW7HAZzJyKyUEVXazYA+BNRFpz gGky8T5qLI4qOAXswuLd+IsaE1Q6y6gaO0xrQ5xU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442007360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4fa2e0f67c44 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With the Larry Young designed cam, power comes on much earlier, and shift points much lower. A well done crank as Greg and others describe improves the probability of sustained life. But something tells me that material and process quality at 'birth' will impact the outcomes. It appears, too, that even billet cranks are subject to failure...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: tr4racing ; fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 15:16:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1ED2D0B94 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:16:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D422D04DB for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhr7 with SMTP id hr7so331315wib.2 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=TlnxoJWplrHVXmldhHiE9tiuseP7SV0SX6zgiHpiI94=; b=jIss5ZjdtYNUTH4pahmMsRWjlDXcvXML3r6QTMAy2RiYhh6mKEbU0ETvOGpgeHEJ+o K8N+LJzjWLQDnRWQaHfIKfWv158DjR/yMUHcXsKemJEuVEF4xSk/36NR/4fLItmT/bpJ p8EQpyIUGor32xE0RB6QUvzuBhdvU3j4oSOUBMZqeLAiCiy3ooFsUTZOaBVuMuL2upQ1 kK7aQ20dfo35AktSUZPFI30CuFLJOL4fuDDOFD5vExlpyeXqD4iE34RoadGSjphBssOF F7nw/ierYK7FcP9WPr+7lz8WVigpkofWHmrBgDjHIZmDNzfVGD1xkSbCAOXds1i9tLMV u9eg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.88.199 with SMTP id bi7mr6336345wib.12.1336075597756; Thu, 03 May 2012 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.193 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.204.216] In-Reply-To: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn9SoJtY5PYxwtAa1fRg64s/XR55o+ZD69UrbxWHS1Y6rYh3m652g1XkVexVxcNwKRPj6CE X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a while. As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the GT6. the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 15:18:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CA32D0BE6 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:18:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344C42D090C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A81A4C086 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at tr.ccfot.com Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGun-b0I4Oo2 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 284C8A4C083 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: To: Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for everything! While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 15:19:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43512D0C15 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:19:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAB82D04DB for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43KSVdI005966; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:31 -0400 Received: from core-dre005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dre005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.227.81]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C9E72E00008B; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> To: rdavis4@cfl.rr.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: malaboge@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 76.211.238.159 by webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 May 2012 16:28:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF782705D7652-2074-2A902@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [76.211.238.159] Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336076911; bh=ZZt0CVkIaWKdwFDnFiIaPqcPGEX4ZgStB7U3B0MNtfU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lnAViwPZZ3uR7YISxVRbn0S1RCgCLE8x5ZYyIXGkaN8ElyNoG10ANzVmI+IFJc8GA ULCFC6yHXxao152GPgT5N/89AM+kqHSm/KF3sBGFmjW0BIWSTciuVQolKoKid3WA62 61M/+OJKqpyve07V8xICea03/lg6rokeVghBxjHA= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460264512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4fa2ea6e762c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob- Those pistons are cast. What are you tryin to build...and more importantly how far ya gonna rev that puppy? I've used those pistons in quite a few motors "back in the day" and with an "F" cam ya really wound it up...never had a problem with the pistons. Well actually had several problems with the pistons breaking, but it was usually because the remnants of the rod impacted the side of the skirts! Type cast myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 3:43 am Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's re cast or forged? thxx, ob ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 15:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94A92D0426 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:56:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com (mail.mccarty-law.com [69.129.70.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3A82D0902 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 14:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:36:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8E6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> In-Reply-To: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> Thread-Topic: [Fot] Headers Thread-Index: Ac0pauOvVZeQJTwdTou+sUcLFk4a6wAALh3A References: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> From: "Barr, Scott" To: , , Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Based on my conversations with Susan's crew chief and head backhoe operator, the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. The frame lip on the right side of the engine has to be cut almost entirely away, as well as much of the rear lip on the inner portion of the suspension upright. The frame may also need notching at the collector depending on what collector you're using. Scott (B.) Headed for VSCDA's "Spring Break" weekend at Gingerman in 10 hours and 26 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz@141.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:15 PM To: harmug@us.ibm.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug@us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz@141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 16:04:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042B12D09D1 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:04:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7072D06C8 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaal1 with SMTP id l1so820684eaa.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=SyE61rP8oRxZ6hG5VjoSJeFYe0iVVXBKODqT9aTHmzs=; b=Dzm3RCx8z3OIoIWsMODogLblsJNecD62UF8FEwP2eTN4Tjn461TuQnmX4sBf69kbOC aCpRDROQSKrjGcK3y6KZ/qUHuC1Mv6hMlDJ3GXL15BzOhuFRufBuHRJEPs7CHsQmTIjt FHTCcamHeuY8xyxjoggC8epxUo8bUw1jyNkRRWbZoUZM0bfsBDSESNy4yGNNDc3mXeYg P+d8043yBiRZJMqk/Cp0/ufLoD1U+WU6tC+EXxh2DtmcP4SKxRb5asKVrWwrWXX++Vii FC6br9zHaW+XnDyVOrOWpSUAXEEdSnBGYzMWc8agYeSOk93inwENWqaUOqdDl120hPGO 4wCg== Received: by 10.14.185.142 with SMTP id u14mr742453eem.41.1336079667571; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm15224371eem.1.2012.05.03.14.14.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 May 2012 14:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Friends of Triumph" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:14:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120503220400.042B12D09D1@autox.team.net> I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 16:41:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB8E2D07AE for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:41:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8362D0621 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so434398eek.14 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:24:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=S3qjO4CyCF5J+JVLwwMF1v6LGYc+HhZDfnZfgLyBtR0=; b=iv46/11vcI3crgug3L+3bV5nNe5raEXa51RwEs24x9HCOrVUg08wUYCb5hdKx5YwXl 8Jag+JehcV1uo7NtkWBcDpeTcbRSzJAWM8wRgNJqDRhBfKSJGTQSnx3j7YqEfOq/W75Z VkF9SjWB2bpDKRN1fJd2wZCg80MsiyzzsROqlTrMgmWuAaq/K8uJouGfzOhdbXvm/3hJ s0AK0gXpmXAS3pobrFq0KdtM5LyqqF9ACf9JxDvM6525ljfc+NF+JaACG5GDg9Woc5t8 752h5nwS8l5XZGjSLOhPx8NhD1k69jCeradVLDQKo6ZAfJORMccWkE4NUapHlwJX3abo QzHg== Received: by 10.14.97.11 with SMTP id s11mr741107eef.60.1336080286474; Thu, 03 May 2012 14:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm407704eec.2.2012.05.03.14.24.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 May 2012 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Friends of Triumph" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:24:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fot] First season's race @ Zandvoort X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120503224140.7EB8E2D07AE@autox.team.net> Facing the first race in two weeks. More than 40 cars on the grid. Will be fun - I hope. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 16:48:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474322D09B8 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:48:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp11.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp11.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391592D064F for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 15:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b18.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.118]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q43LZgaC003597 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 3 May 2012 21:50:07 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1358546017 Message-ID: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:50:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: gasket.works@gte.net List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net interesting crank photos on fot site. www.Fot-racing.com/cranks/crankshafts.htm There you will see three versions. The other two billet versions (moldex and some UK billet) are not pictured. The moldex design is as original save for being a machined chunk of good steel. Same with the other uk version. The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and has super oiling improvements. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 17:30:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE88B2D0A09 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:30:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348D02D0626 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.133]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43MT8bg030695; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:29:08 -0400 Message-Id: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Received: from [107.48.178.187] (unknown [107.48.178.187]) by mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 3CB61E000095; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:29:05 -0400 (EDT) To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, "=?utf-8?B?RnJpZW5kcyBvZiBUcml1bXBo?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=" Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 18:29:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336084148; bh=EJXrJFtlKgtxxU53iIGoZ9+HciWmPu7uffBiFcvdKeo=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VTj8eRIeeQMyVnj6XKYqQXvVPJuARq+0OYEvtnJyiSAEaEEDjVsQHBr892a9j1PBY 7w7G7rp89D3Ns1+G52+Z/1SlQMZ+fiLyI+O3y2SDGvs+qa834hQi6AyUdkmq5DMbqP UvtWoIA7RqBzh1UyrlLAA44kyoZTuooWrBROmErw= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:398589600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33854fa306b13d4f X-AOL-IP: 107.48.178.187 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 17:31:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231002D0A0B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:31:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781A02D0771 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 16:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so685977wib.2 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 15:35:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=lv5GCsHwfKYP/+wPd7dgN6bi9IVJKy73D60ihEGN87k=; b=IYrIi3c8HKRSQruWixFjB1magAeKLYH46WVYX9JMX02VY4htGwPLfrohUmuz9bELgs 5jUgUgwUFMepq8MnlXUxuIiVrrvYmwunjcz27Jb/yAX6dv7CfhGSbDdD6syGkwiJ0Hj6 iv4TZGxdnAJ8y9lo9RhbBo/4iQxptzGs3c89JCVc29zuu7t+pThzpvHESoDP+dPE5CVM YF48meRDCo6h3ZO3tBP+sEx14QhAjQFDyFjDvCykvZjVqHU6zJXwg3OI+tcQ7OFy2W1o ugwSEma0t7IlcyyHcUfz173Z/005yJaiAUec+xLrcuusPuTSpTNRAKtev9tmck+8vob7 MEcQ== Received: by 10.216.135.225 with SMTP id u75mr2259814wei.97.1336084553900; Thu, 03 May 2012 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-203-31.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.203.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm7933522wiw.1.2012.05.03.15.35.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 May 2012 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: , "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:35:34 +0200 Message-ID: <001301cd297d$103f09f0$30bd1dd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0pfDQTbKNS0tFtTeK7L+249VpSVwAAJppQ Content-Language: de X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It is a 7 B I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 18:09:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B782D084D for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:09:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 51A802D0507 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:09:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 23:09:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 23:09:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2012 23:09:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 577800.45212.bm@omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93787 invoked from network); 3 May 2012 23:09:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=KHo064/JPaZHUQadx2MdPLfjMB7e4U55gl/x/3amIk3yQIeP5CB90lZVtJ0R6PrZ/EZeFn/bEs8DKVu3dGZttTdhqSB6LfjLEDE9iY9Xx3ucigjf61izw5SfqHNtE6mvpCTbB48owd4jAALiuBVa9KF30uzJoeTV6XtB36EHqAY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336086582; bh=4/e4U9RCI3I3xxV+AhFaPzNmX3s2jRAMlptcotx3Qc8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=sIzM2lpmeshDrV8ymo9zDhbmzJyeogqBOyQEMu8GNiOdrud+ofX2GgjQp//37ZlE7h1gmCL32Hwft5kNUiZi1/yqbgA72RL0LaGu77wN775BQv0vHhy31j/QnHBc0i2fvqTsGMK89XXOKZZslSh5qqfic3IyGpt80AaK+Ez2P4U= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: qWedt6MVM1kY44d.Adq7D4D8JrxXCQeiq1oYQqAXnxNcBbF 5Itvq9kuJrWSma3KORp0mqqXzrjXoLcyVyq2VNHND1RubJw_h_nTWdr9cjfT ORR807NgHL0xkQcz1MKehwVIcy9UrfrLuE0PnOLq94dJVyW4RFsyD2dMT9_l c4Y3NINmblomiFfkyZuK7uAOuRUhq0sLvD1.GYkI1sWhJ1uChqJlcopkSj46 mzw_S1tiZp1Ig5_UaaGci4ZMdWcN5V5M5NyR.raYab8_B1S2mF8udqyC_nQK tEZ505seOR0zUunXocV3PwzkjEDfe2Oy7Ms9bTOB8ZVdEhcQHrNUrMHFMWBE d8c1bF25fcDrvwkFY4XwJuyEe2LtE_j7aJsePr4JWcPPK.3Nu1sCaF40UnbR R6UZrbv.TJY9QiRlPetKT71P4wU2oGZWFWAHLIsLQH2YIEgPdLvEvLH059Fb j3uG73jAl3fAQzYgoP8RLCQP6zLmwqTccWG68FRGhDg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: NG64.Q6swBAG_6oajxtFkMG273sqQzAxQIAr Received: from [192.168.2.3] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp125-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2012 23:09:42 +0000 UTC References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:09:41 -0600 To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a > while. > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > GT6. > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 18:10:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BF2D09DA for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:10:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADB72D05E8 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q43NEu8k001131; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:14:56 -0400 Message-Id: <201205032314.q43NEu8k001131@imr-da06.mx.aol.com> Received: from [107.48.178.187] (unknown [107.48.178.187]) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 2BA5BE0000FF; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:14:50 -0400 (EDT) To: "MadMarx" , "=?utf-8?B?J0ZyaWVuZHMgb2YgVHJpdW1waCc=?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=" Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 19:14:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336086896; bh=MNIMCYjt2Wy9bMh4s3EzEuofl3ta8kuvVktCz0y80/Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZTaIoV/5txsXSLjnC3GwCVXkkUZRcVLCkrGo6+sVKyhPue27OsmKIcNYIgLaRdOHT BI+MhJLPsg9hgEgMj6QNEioBbLRaFR43/hunH/pv1dbK/6JFvlk2c/YgR+TsOtnXhE zfLWusslFGeH5uHstAd4tffLrpuoDn58QxqgIiXI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:440819264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33824fa3116a7183 X-AOL-IP: 107.48.178.187 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Agree...i use a houseman/toyota comp tranny mod...un breakable Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "MadMarx" Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:35 pm Subject: AW: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: , "'Friends of Triumph'" _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 18:39:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C162D0A4C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:39:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A7C2D04B3 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120503235107.IPFJ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09>; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 5br71j00P0yHwtd05br7He; Thu, 03 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=QgGMnJWS4-AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=BmCTv5aZ42BN7CKrgw9ing==:17 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=SOl2qKZHpkoecDGIOB8A:9 a=gSIrR1wcZ29x62agm3AA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=BmCTv5aZ42BN7CKrgw9ing==:117 Received: from [24.179.207.174] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: yellow04@tr4racer.com Message-ID: <16e0a4ff.13f84e.137151d413f.Webtop.45@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 45 X-Originating-IP: [24.179.207.174] Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Mitty... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Was the MOST vintage car there Pat Starrs' -same car same guy since 1960!--Watch for article fron Classics. JTH On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM, yellow04@tr4racer.com wrote: > I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better > idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, > and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this > project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am > passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim > Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports > who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim > was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great > time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for > everything! > > While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a > somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive > the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. > Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! > > The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car > that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have > determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 18:40:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82682D0AA9 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:40:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp05.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp05.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886952D06DD for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 17:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b18.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.118]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q43NqJv5023175 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 3 May 2012 23:57:01 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1711067698 Message-ID: <1711067698-1336089421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1365160362-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:57:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches tr4 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: gasket.works@gte.net List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use dble disk 7.25 and with custom home built quartermaster hydraulic throw out bearing. Shifts easy, fast and no slip. No issue with Close ratio stock gear box. Works like a charm. M ------Original Message------ From: rek46@aol.com Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net To: tr4racing@googlemail.com To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Sent: May 3, 2012 3:29 PM Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 19:43:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1C12D0924 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:43:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428502D06C7 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 19:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so839279wgb.2 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 18:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=AwPQPaQ772ZWGmDBz2x/L5BYp1rmSTJALMpY9W64yro=; b=hy3l+WfgwgLVG6YsZ8PsVDv/NHBDoXoQ99M2Qg4P0M0iNwzk5ulx3itEFZVgkASB/U L0VvvfRSNj9A/xVsOQVk+2+9ahbajuGuo+IxhkegFxBSheUKmF2Sz0GHS83v8hTKVuvZ qvmZpdrUgIpp9UTytUyU/v1vbtc/peAv/awL91q4MHdfSduORGLz+k4HsBB4TtYn2txb S5MDF2Q6DRirFze6nV7LEd1F2eJ3rsxWQzyZPhLFUlD7jLWGeQVJcwDOa5Rzs21yuIw5 y9Xe6/EOBBSeHgH1ghIOzNl2juyaSoLRoZnynp1i3s614NYDG/RT5VDrVgYmBvVHA8mz BIbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.139.156 with SMTP id c28mr2613047wej.57.1336093227924; Thu, 03 May 2012 18:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.193 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 18:00:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.205.108] In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm9/VIJJiVJLTvyYx8Y4r6Hb0HiGqMf4vpp71yvUUFso3BXxLZd9gm6DRQnAe8XbPalUl+7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are several fixes. My key to even considering running the stock gearbox is my trick clutch (Tilton double disk 7.25)/ flywheel (custom) and larger throwout bearing (modified TR6). The best solution I suppose would be a full race setup... I saw a nice one in Mike Munson's TR6, and Sam H's SCCA set-up is rather solid....But these are very expensive gearboxes. Next there are several 5 speed conversions available that work very well. These are about 1/2 the price of a full race dog box. and give an extra gear beyond stock. Technically, neither of the above are legal for most period correct preparations but people get away with it (and rightly so because the only alternative is wasted $). To be more toward legal (for most organizations) it would come down to a TR4 or TR6 in which you can get away with super secret trick set of close ratio gears... which I imagine is rather nice. For now, I keep a fresh spare stock one all ready to go in my truck and have learned to simply do a full rebuild every couple races to avoid colossal failure. For later... I've been doing some research and talking with some VIP and will hopefully have something better soon. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing .. On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com> wrote: > Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's > transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for > a > > while. > > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > > GT6. > > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > > > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot@autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 21:44:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045802D077C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 21:44:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 493E52D0751 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 20:47:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 02:48:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.76] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 02:48:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 02:48:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 348815.34649.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87222 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2012 02:48:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336099685; bh=9mmm8dko0oQannVCYmSIgVVtqq+JPL5H7vOhQnznVD8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LRKk30Z5cBY5POQ+pI2JhkUuKeTXqFN/8AHlh+WtXtONVOpAmt7t8/XfGKcC/7tcTtNcNM3Yqe99NCjFaTdo8T0zsOSlFMn5f5OEkg7tTpUbtW1CY+EWVYa81jCmroyXVggC/kYxjHP1ttlop4uMK2AUEkggSjgR0QPZlpxvREM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F3S4McjCSH8FxMaHXhnZrWQ69NXnO3WhqZjFggp/DRo1BfL+eRb10oVtJrboOwfo0MbTef9AVxkD6wCfiLt8FVT5yZojFH/dvTHRguah3RwNE4UvX0uFsPt8kxDqX/YMpy8WMgqnWIcHfpTfSo1SqsuoDgiD2p0D4Rus0kOaAeE=; X-YMail-OSG: G0wu8sAVM1mh86stulgCQaHe8_SnH7fx9pmTMspKmFllsjx 3fIsqjMKV02fv7hQexd8JfXOSCzGgW8WQ.Uma53CbSLKTkmeFiQE3li6mtNy 96h8H6UDhU4R6U45nNiPD_hrNrUsCU1CDmyxVwM1ZI2mYJHaaNgpf6ih0Y7i wcsRLcf9FCsyPsnQ1xQoqJ4L9pIiDPNvQZkPzSeRgdfQf_nzaDdLlvZ8snxt 6jdhYf1lepkZ.D5IHNfen2D0uQkTdiz_8YdWyQyY6CW1OzqqKDfGqIWsMrmQ F.JsuBS4qlnp1GF4cqLumT3wZ45Y5UjjBE89nFf50LJ.w.ZswGnQlcIC_L8I egd21DTUBBOjKeVuyipoE4byo0wms_Fq8v11Vn3Dyo6uMqth4t_ycraujjD1 _Xd5hQ7U- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2012 19:48:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 23:01:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174362D0805 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 23:01:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2491E2D07A3 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 22:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB682E02B for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 22:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FA3581B.2070700@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 22:16:27 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FoT Triumph References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bought any new cars lately? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 3 23:47:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277872D099C for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 23:47:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21CF2D0853 for ; Thu, 3 May 2012 22:47:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=H1yT1HGi90wj8TbDOBAA:9 a=T14lOxSm0LdulpxvyjoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 93/25-16302-29F53AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 04:48:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'FOT'" References: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:48:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001501cd29b1$20a3fa60$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0pfuzaLfZ+p+KPQ+aglYPSRURC6QAMfP8w In-Reply-To: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank calls X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of > "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and > has super oiling improvements. Just to hurt my feelings, Mordy, what does one of those go for? Could I buy a classic Porsche for that money, or just another Triumph? -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 04:52:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D26D2D08C1 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 04:52:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5581A2D05D7 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 03:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67405A4C086; Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at tr.ccfot.com Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Kt6IU9BNEQz; Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6B3C3A4C083; Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0882D17074C04817A9FB71A8D66B0121@TRIUMPH.local> From: To: "Bobby Whitehead" References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bobby, I believe it is human nature to find something good when you look around and can always find someone less fortunate that yourself. No matter how low things seem, somebody else has been dealt a crappier hand than yours. Compare the race motor you brought home with what I brought home... ;-) Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: [Fot] blog? > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 08:46:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2206C2D0C5B for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:46:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC702D066F for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 05:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=7GImpHRWtSNWuxosyuxavQ==:17 a=OqRpFThoEhMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KHlK5gzf-NRPAGLmKpUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=7GImpHRWtSNWuxosyuxavQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 166.205.8.106 Received: from [166.205.8.106] ([166.205.8.106:21406] helo=[10.127.170.69]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 90/59-16302-DCDB3AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 11:30:21 +0000 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:30:16 -0500 To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 08:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E8A2D027D for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:55:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e8.ny.us.ibm.com (e8.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC40A2D0AAC for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 06:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e8.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 10:11:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391DC2D0DC8 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:11:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com [17.158.161.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CF82D0379 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:57:38 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.99.24] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3I0038B6WCTY50@nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 04 May 2012 14:57:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-04_06:2012-05-04,2012-05-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205040137 From: Scott Janzen In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:57:48 -0400 Message-id: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Bobby Whitehead X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. PS, I've always thought a vintage 240Z would be great, but then we would have to take you off the FOT list. On May 4, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 11:18:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70312D0CEC for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:18:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAF82D0405 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 09:11:07 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: den.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q44FB9dt025695; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:11:15 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Bob Kramer'" , "'Bobby Whitehead'" References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0qBNVG39Q3Dqu0TRS/IxAILs4PdwAAxmZA In-Reply-To: X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0l1ZA7H7kdVYwsUDqKdyt3M1kbawXr/ph8StbAMu7Y4= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=_tHST5iYbc2ZpSJ7g6oA:9 a=m892J1nOajZXsZMyECUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=QViL1fkMpgmtgsE1:21 a=B-Hjis43FxN2hGQa:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:30 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 11:29:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509952D0E4D for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:29:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9702D0CBC for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 09:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5ot11j0011afHeLA7rghaJ; Fri, 04 May 2012 15:40:41 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.50]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5rgh1j00G14rd388drghEd; Fri, 04 May 2012 15:40:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: George Harmuth Message-ID: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.51.180.242] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay temps were reduced. just my .02 jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 11:30:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11542D0F08 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:30:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB162D0C46 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W8 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 4 May 2012 09:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.62.204.114] From: marty sukey To: , FOT Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:00:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2012 16:00:41.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E3235A0:01CD2A0F] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet :) Marty > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 > From: igofaster@att.net > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] blog? > > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 13:52:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF1A2D0CD6 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:52:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DF22D0D27 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=7GImpHRWtSNWuxosyuxavQ==:17 a=OqRpFThoEhMA:10 a=pb0rhvdD8lAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=VnNF1IyMAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=EUuOEfXhkIne77QyH_gA:9 a=Vh_kbGLzeitn6ptNMe8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=qOj2rmnYnw3BbRNG:21 a=_HxMXk_Mkkbqe-uU:21 a=7GImpHRWtSNWuxosyuxavQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 166.205.8.106 Received: from [166.205.8.106] ([166.205.8.106:52034] helo=[10.127.170.69]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 34/CC-29249-A9414AF4; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:40:43 +0000 References: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:40:39 -0500 To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" , George Harmuth Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 14:01:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EDC2D0E3B for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:01:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F1D0F2D0B26 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 17:44:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.161] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 17:44:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2012 17:44:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 69820.90007.bm@omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 59890 invoked from network); 4 May 2012 17:44:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=yB2HVY+KDezImMy0V1csoZv0PXK3NXxUYJ1b9vHfzqBREPp/XCDhlogQp1efIZjM0WTVrs8jW1cVsI27CGdBHai5Ei3GLcKAo8aj69arBDDtczqzQZsAD6sBX70ORDlKVi7OcS/CS9T+ytAcuTu1jahGYlrsyt+SOekvv2mqkEQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336153479; bh=qASfAyneVX50Ui0JukgcUAbxEYLF6GLRYtU3Qd54nPI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=uXVDlILFXvp1CmIXHiMGtCemt9n0rUJlos5l+hmHqP3A/Sb6zVZOQMhPw5VPVUsFucrCKqYxgsGG+MyzMzSLLHrHXTNp/mvtZb1pXB8SC9ptfDhkLWZCdwbb1g9W++DF7UHOEozXbQAmZGiDuknD++m9vXIG/O+PbfdbEDlAB2o= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Df8J5GYVM1lryjTDz3lolsM2XeYqT1Z0WH42ZvoyXKTi3mD mqL8ZybAVeVbpe_8oD9gy3Mt35epvuTrf49hNOld9m43F4r6MTaaayIZT8XZ PlC1t77R5vQBrEkVtP_BYXiAaVhRSv8.xwCy3UAUYOtxu1Lz9BbOUoXp5cLm ZC3CchiwsbdIWjDHL.BkCMYeXZRykbC.6nTX_cpV.tN39.CZcV0rl46FoQgY Lf80aBMGPiR7757P00z3a6c2vequCai5USQXz5WljDJ.yNF.pZLKeQPVOqpm oOMnZ7dr3ssCUxVCVmBfFf0qPndF_.RRL37M4GI3eHpOlbrNOQC8cScf3Tbl d4OwAM1t5aK3Ow_7fJONe6a__WcYp_IN1hBXjvjbdxHrjgfRX1izw5TiWYD8 pvVaxq7R2lKxeJ3ipF.cJ1jF5aGY2fCThUdg8O9CA7NxOzL5M0KfZCRfYM3u zuAeDpm8YtLR4hAXU3BDXF9_Kfk6Dv4s- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1kxT0ouswBA2B.0brzZQZA7vLKo- Received: from [26.14.4.139] (fasttrs@198.208.251.70 with xymcookie) by smtp103-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 May 2012 10:44:39 -0700 PDT References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Mike Munson Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:44:33 -0500 To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What kind of pistons were you running? I have 4 ( out of 6) .040 over good AE pistons left over from a similar incident. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 14:02:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7352D0E7D for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:02:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9321F2D0BF1 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5tfu1j0041HpZEsABtnsPk; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:47:52 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.50]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5tns1j00M14rd388atnsBk; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:47:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Bob Kramer Message-ID: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.51.180.242] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net, George Harmuth Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 14:02:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398F02D0E2C for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:02:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2962D0C8B for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05084A4C088; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:58:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at tr.ccfot.com Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w72xrULi6REx; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 98132A4C083; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> From: To: "marty sukey" , , "FOT" References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster@att.net >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:31:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516602D0C03 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:31:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com (mail.mccarty-law.com [69.129.70.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174572D0CB1 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 10.1.1.248 ([10.1.1.248]) by svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com ([10.1.1.248]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:00:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Barr, Scott" To: "FOT" Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:00:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 Thread-Topic: GT6 rotors? Thread-Index: Ac0qKDEa40mEAaXARKi9A8L4E9kTpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:35:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A52D0DA6 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:35:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094242D0B1B for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so3491227bkc.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=JkkemZkY2s+ohDeX6UT3OV2yru1bpfnsNXSjgX7iyeQ=; b=GMcOIRA+2Hwo4O8xvo7LVXRpnkEUoPC1W0x1brT1GRhWctk3pxcDYAIuOW4UXHKS4S J3H4JJezfzZF1h6DRjXj5Bux+daoCTSYB1Znih59odbpUg6AfDb4snpqtKcJGGrICscj bhUJ4Coupjk8l7XePAenavY5krpCIv0RugmE3ymhtla3R0MFiwPhcfW+cQeTsSfK3xOG IuP4AGc+CUsY8p0P4h6W6UFl4ghUuTjXVBL+esoxAtWwnHwhNNQh6v9YdCLqQUxhoMrf s7+uHAtdZj09/svAS/wFDqUu5i7ZTxJ7hTOdrg1MuApTGadMOFu1lLl9b8IvE7vEsldP K1aA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.150 with SMTP id g22mr2481904bkw.40.1336159363570; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.117.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2012 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.206.125] In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:22:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: marty sukey X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlPSoILgGB9c62GEtY+50JMkaggTGSiHY9Z4IOX2p1aua2xn3g0otS4lzHITitUmnXRMlvG X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bobby, Disappointment is just sometimes part of the game. Your car is really nicely done and you should really be proud of that car. However, I'm with Scott...Time to deal with someone who knows exactly how to build a GT6 motor. Perhaps some steps backwards will help establish a more solid baseline. I would approach it by putting a motor together with stuff that works and has been time tested. Only someone with actual GT6 or at least Triumph experience can truly provide this As an example, the Mikuni carbs are neat and may even work fine, but I'd start with stock carbs (which we know work fine) run a few races and THEN try the Mikuni set. Then you'll know If those carbs offer something better than stock. I had an interesting discussion with Kas about this concept. He noticed that almost without exception, cars that were purchased from him ran fine when sold... making 60 hp beyond stock. The cars would run fine for a race or two. Then in the off season the new owner would "re engineer" the car, switching to trick weber carbs etc. Usually, this resulted in decreased performance and owner frustration and even total failure. The most important thing that goes along with this is writing everything down. If you have a solid working baseline that is documented once working, only then can new changes be measured and accurately tested. Keep it simple and everything that can be measured should be written down. It makes getting back to that baseline pretty easy. Baby steps. Slow and steady wins the race. P.S. What's the spot price today on GT6 scrap? FGR is always buying. Hang in there bud, it really could be much worse. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ___________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:40:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E424B2D0E96 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:40:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CD02D0B45 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 13:41:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q44JgDsE022089 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 Received: from core-mta002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 47111E000086 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Message-ID: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Originating-IP: [205.232.231.3] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336160533; bh=WUlZBVKLrs1vDoy9+aW7OoOILGY1oCS2RTeJjIQL4wo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mWBLgPm3SwQYfovOW8+sZiZGTR5z7iXMZnMp9e/29ABy5pqN6oU/pghbwPBcW6pSY u3Qk97xr8eC/SbApDmJ8Aale1/tEG8lozbEIxP2+jAhdEkkWPuGkEdHeBSIgs/2y99 6LNTuzNuk/rqLOUALu6P/e1P+bvfFnfOjH/q5ZGc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429601728:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc4fa4311566a2 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 15:45:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839AA2D0F66 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:45:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627BA2D0E38 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so4490160yhr.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=Zu6PcgOBDWfZfPpl8iBI6O2UwUt00wNdQXX1+6sD798=; b=a9Xv8voYEeOCavXNry48PfwZq4VvKlYO3UQ4wDTrLpQKZFdLCim/HhcnoJb5zFjy+M B6CxQzICk9O6uE0gejlpl1IA1MxP4qvWTXt7qDEVSw+qf+01djCLw3WUkQHh1+7dPWCd U75Q4KTuoGTKOx2mK4qdwPLXHLiDylikReYuiQHB2ZG1PdQiSgWpVUejr90Rcd8mZbxV 4eBa78zGJi24cymdWFrBXsWr0QGcFXCPa5G44aM4WyZHSDgc6k1vFWM3GWPIfawc+8ku ad7n8FrWHq+NxvTKTeSq2+l9cnLW5IKBSTDhPWOnHBtSYGzz/6mOrYiNLQSlaHl9eTX4 PAyQ== Received: by 10.50.77.138 with SMTP id s10mr3790501igw.48.1336161950996; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mk10sm1115271igc.11.2012.05.04.13.05.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Sensitivity: Normal To: yellow04@tr4racer.com,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"marty sukey" ,igofaster@att.net,"FOT" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:05:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn5wrFoJcB/6fbkrlAWUZGSnJBSAT4mN6pds9MX3BVTGg9XflpKp5c+F6r7gV9cBkdO3XB0 Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jason@multivintage.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120504214512.839AA2D0F66@autox.team.net> Yellow 04... Always at the front of the pack! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 To: marty sukey; ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster@att.net >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 17:11:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA2E2D0BDD for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:11:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF502D0CB3 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm8 with SMTP id m8so4533527yen.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=4mXFEnsXrpAl7iLQDwjtLitWFDyGYWNJ2cHsmyWFPtQ=; b=UYwAvkHTbLlk33AUFDvwO8jn79am9+gq1zUPxb4KWdQt8We2aCbSEo4drUfokmD2ux hIDGGR/g4rcQNvj0mls4NrdM2Fg4SwxoBNfMb3TbOQsn7S6zgeekS7BplQG/sEZ4locM dfiNHdTF8JPt+bkkqJSGyBFJLtimmK+pkXNzwlO08gt68CBKJDO1K5IzEoXTRglOOV9S gkMPflQRWFCKEFETb2OJWdsx3pIE2IqUcl8fgsDJvC4XQAcnX0Kl92B8oT3YqHDVdpZo NSms1g97WHnk3g97/c4rYlmxCoWEmFXYf93rrbdLACVIYzWrcKR241NZ88QMyJ7YzBdf 20Yg== Received: by 10.60.22.138 with SMTP id d10mr10306087oef.69.1336165269676; Fri, 04 May 2012 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6sm736622obm.20.2012.05.04.14.01.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:01:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: FOT References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Several sources claim that keeping heat in the headers causes the gases to exit the system faster due to decreased density. I haven't pursued the science behind this. One header wrap vendor says hotter exhaust gases are like hotter liquids that lose their viscosity as they heat up, creating less resistance to flow. I'm not sure I buy that explanation. We would probably all accept the claim that the velocity of gas flow is important on the intake side of an engine, although we would also agree that higher density (cooler=denser) of the incoming charge is good too. Whatever the true cause, Cool Concepts Performance Coatings goes so far as to cite dyno tests (but I didn't spot any graphs or explanation of test conditions there). From their website: "Dyno tests have revealed power gains of 8-10 hp in a 550 hp engine. This is mainly due to the heat barriers trapping heat inside the header pipes and increasing exhaust velocity. It was also acknowledged that more gains could be had when installed in an engine bay, where hot air robs power." Presumably the latter refers to the heat from the headers causing the intake air to be hotter and therefore less dense. I'm using coated headers on both my race car and a street car. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 On May 4, 2012, at 7:38 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 17:16:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D8E2D0619 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:16:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F922D0D19 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so3597298bkc.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=DAL2TbLOsDzhFFTSMSl9C3A6ZN1unFG+ysNvLd+4+dk=; b=a1kjvU/KMI8W6kku6nFobqRJ/chq8I/OJ5hYPJl8KfOL8gZPZsHZ4GGh0NQzSH18O4 XrI9YtKiznZufuoqJdzzFz3I9kZMmbprbJal506ysWs8ZzGNdLU9yc5NsvbRnthpC+Bt wQmfK1MbWmCl1PIlvWKgBEMgbj20Z84dUDBgFtkkoCTOZSEuG3CTv3xhMWV0SF1JxpL2 02Gf+hP+pzLoGtH8q0HAF/tB/Sm3F6UuGWmM1T56FshjrOJYePOlAYnhJvGH19eMIVrz randvepTXIk5BCwFLujVZymhMvE5vNO7aavm4wZnQ7BpdGWsh2BqVHciLL5XijzHatbV nxsw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.70 with SMTP id f6mr2542625bkw.7.1336167569452; Fri, 04 May 2012 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.117.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2012 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.206.125] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:39:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: "Barr, Scott" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2a/RYK0wfWh4ckd6VmGAkgyzBZ/42g3pLf7y2N1PP5M1YEmfyGbLuZXWIaJXlXw0UNjuP X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rotors? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FGR here! I've got em if you need them... I'll meet you off 294 someplace if you don't get any better offers. Jason Call me if you want them (312) 208 5227 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like > to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at > Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. > > Scott > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 18:30:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6B52D0D63 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:30:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574352D0959 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 16:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAC0A4C088 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at tr.ccfot.com Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U0pm7z6tY+eN for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2D59DA4C084 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: To: Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 18:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342422D0DC9 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:39:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DC72D04EF for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 16:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3I00I80T1UO400@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:56:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: , References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 18:56:20 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I think. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the good tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and can easily be changed. Be sure to loosen the lug nuts first. You can make one yourself using some 2 X 8s, but they are heavy. Also useful when greasing wheel bearings. Note to any PRDA members: This will NOT work on single axle trailer! (A little humor) Bill---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the > Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There > was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out > there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my > jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and > were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length > of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were > manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for > a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them > touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. > > Racing is sure exciting. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 18:39:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66E62D0DEF for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:39:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8422D0BB5 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q44NC1qk023369; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 Received: from core-mta002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 90504E000086; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> To: william.tobin31@verizon.net, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: billdentin@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36032-STANDARD Received: from 76.199.166.239 by webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.31) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 04 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [76.199.166.239] Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336173121; bh=9zlR9tXgPvc1LcEGqJaaIdTa3l9U5XvgLSotfW1wecQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tnO3I1wQOvTE6FyF4cSaMS8i4UBmSglnUyuqQE7ekZpPFbS1cOLGcTnAdl1hbiTgq pNDh8rYWBKHTI2DU29Jpwdfzy1T3aOqtA+F7c/LQUYDRsz0+hhJSZIJ0TqKJRAuU+f RTYi2c8fd2xdDhEBciLOVfGmY6PbQxtMW4oh80v8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:420798656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094fa462414646 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and easily be changed. e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. Bill... What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. Thanks. Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 19:39:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27CB2D0C00 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:39:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16FA2C0C88 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=y1JtMiVv8F0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=-oZPAReiySLt_EMQt8gA:9 a=MI2DgZyXu9AkcRovCKcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=gROWDnifC_jCqX0O:21 a=UiWVn3Y6a2eBehgA:21 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:57672] helo=[192.168.1.5]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 93/AB-29249-55174AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 00:16:21 +0000 References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:16:19 -0500 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, Sorry to hear about your tire troubles. I had a similar incident with my trailer last Nov. Great tread but 2005 build date. Blew one at 65 mph with two TR 4's on board. I pulled the trailer up onto a stack of 2x8's I packed. That saved the day. I was close to a truck tire store and I had it fixed quickly but within 10 miles smother tire had the treads separate. I got lucky because I was stopping for lunch and checked the tires. They sell special plastic thingies to do the same thing. I'll buy one as soon as I get over the price of four new trailer tires. .....,,,and I got an envelope from you today..... very classy on your part, thank you. Glad the two of you made it home safe. Bob Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 20:31:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE832D0BEC for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 20:31:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768222D08D8 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:47:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm8 with SMTP id m8so4681271yen.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=Bc7Fczj4QyKbpjLzPsPWVvGePHV8zrMRpEQzujzfWS0=; b=nB8OZs7RAp96FBl9KIhIwV3uf8eKDGzHi9UuJPWIU61kuJRm4WkXw9DHSlZ/GBThnr /F4XVvqURCLd5D9FIQj+62z1XhNPY8pIwUEbSV3zJq3uEd9cyYn3NN6FCY9o3MSqoybd LxJCmthYPDKt4/Xn3NklGnYqFUiQR80KTdIKOLd7tMQYfPdFvcEjV0IaQ+085Cn4SnVm BxqxvSb6dgV7u/cTnzUumiNu8fgW5HReOX4dl69/TJ3rdUBWHV8dPA66pbYoWkIIenwK 7OvwgH7XF5c8IP6wnQDKSovAhhYziwWOHPftLNHTdIWp9ynuOVleu08VJpLE2FnMSoz6 YhOA== Received: by 10.50.185.193 with SMTP id fe1mr4227907igc.9.1336178885838; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf4sm505407igb.14.2012.05.04.17.48.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 17:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: yellow04@tr4racer.com,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,fot@autox.team.net From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:48:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2jPKgV4C2+7hQeNjbpcrHAG2MTaD293tyBu4WD88RcV/LRNQxYKcZnEGcdkDm+QmE90/4 Subject: Re: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jason@multivintage.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120505023106.BBE832D0BEC@autox.team.net> Yes, A classic case of "to fast of a driver". ------Original Message------ From: yellow04@tr4racer.com Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Sent: May 4, 2012 5:41 PM Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 20:31:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09672D0C03 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 20:31:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C7B82D0836 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:54:40 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netzero.net; s=alpha; t=1336179308; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=nw9syjKvczSS0cDLU/4Qwmb44aQSkaSFpNr6kOxuflvvTmDXAkFtW4ahqogf5sC44 DkXOZNefcp8BGLiqR5DrSa9i/meV9naScmnLhHViBHHZT/lEWzg8U0SADLmxNDxKuy Vy6W2G7429QIGdO5U8x4a0efPwEgOt7n4i5k1X1Q= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABH4J8VHALEFHMS for (sender ); Fri, 4 May 2012 17:55:03 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: sVFNjgUA9YT/ZAn8x7O5PS7lvUe846t/shyQY5AfiW46CDUsYdiSnw== Received: (from jaboruch@netzero.net) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R7XWW6EX; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:54:47 PDT Received: from [76.23.184.188] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:54:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.23.184.188] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Joe Boruch" Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:54:01 GMT To: BillDentin@aol.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20120504.205401.5969.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 2938 X-ContentStamp: 14:7:2656939311 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|jaboruch@netzero.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill what brand of tire blew out? I had a Goodyear Marathon blow out about 10 years ago. Bought a set of them a couple years later, since I did not trust the remaining ones. Last year I decided that they were old enough and it was time to replace them, even though they still looked good. The Goodyears are all now made in China and I found very few trailer tires made in the US. The reviews on the US tires were not very good and they seemed as bad as the china bombs. I bought a set of Maxxis tires, which are made in Taiwan. Not sure if they will be better than the tires from China, but the reviews were good. Seems like one of the keys is to buy tires that are well over the capacity than what what is needed. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BillDentin@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 20:31:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7292D0C5A for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 20:31:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EC42C2D0774 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 18:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 00:57:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 00:57:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 901402.60233.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57960 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2012 00:57:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336179430; bh=tt4klPFzMJFaRsXJU6ga/7kk6FypLIW14QkcEtGxr2s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q+GvA8qazh1+pHoiAWhbMCQYbFLf6NrPWfJXlI61dMJ6NEZ78K6GrFpi2N0LfAx8XnKnrMPmVw/AoSbYbDJEUL0kfJ24bCJ1Z4VeFfLXeYPydqYcr689zlZaniU0y6AFVTx1m6Wm/IFvw9tQ7I/qdr5HfzzdmlDH4J+wAxE9sqk= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l3dVy+T256kuMO8jkRVGMZduH/+cA6jAMcs3sx1/R1nBLJKjc69Nf6/sZW+l90db8qwPZ7IZbRF4yQfETolTYqkNbBQhLFBxR73G5WBDTF6yMGBJIVc1s1zBaudQLiaQtZ8aTgHY6oRG/OZB780Jwf5tNq8heUIwWPDlxzg4Cfs=; X-YMail-OSG: 06G18SQVM1kNAMyMaQzSpRX6Y8.oj1WPGHldCSh9S2AVnsr v23WF_Nwco.BC3VbrAXEl05henFgx_g83ge9QsqIAIrbVy6LIbnutwOMUgAf q8AgTasHg_pJwb749Fqtepk5klf5SYNm4tE4DdZQZduospsTTf4R0WFz9nBQ ZM.zAr1NlxQHNm19767zzY8u.qKQOZFtoQLIVLiuk0RbvyrghC4ju7xYpKQZ mmaWvNw.ci7D7H4ZhSoHN6AZiL9XKa_4FFK6UKLlWg3tGwkOW.IDeCJ0cqpm sPVF32y3Ew_IOZHq.l.g_el_yJEUS_L3lK17JTk.3f3ixuxumVYEa.4RZCQl f8Gt_MYt6dBC3k4ODNDJ2LbDktrZ7LsJRoWSGoQvykD7w8UN6cib3enVkKp4 bHUqcziQM2bmSO..U2bxts60MDVXuuYQM8D4ueKjwPaOtkFi8KUxNcvLelGw gYJN_0_MtDw6QcIoYhFtNydBJ50Wi91AmlV1B5YA4y81bl2bWbfTDJhPR Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2012 17:57:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336179430.55439.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: john hasty In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net yes... I need rehab and TheRaPy... Bobby ________________________________ From: john hasty To: Bob Kramer ; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:11:37 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] blog? Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. 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Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 20:31:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E752D0C9A for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 20:31:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46192C0D1D for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so6308566obb.14 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=eiguezMAa3Uc6n3Mi21ovxdBchV1GyGCCtBkSaWZi+s=; b=SYxR3NtJlqDXexg6Wx+klN9caVw2GV2bGab0H6g6dJuL9p5DLe4Oi3uu50BXbsxaYi RihtTc5JDE+35rKz0rMWwXUPgezwRWK8VHZxnIcGz3aXYBv8GTr6QYFPeU5tTVlefYkV XOq6M0oShb2c6+F/DRFj+BgovCAmIDj8MAyTP3TRRsihxAhSjT+tJJ6OOMZp1i11UwOv suWimVEF1Z85RIxnTNkHH9zFoIk3Az7oIIPOLKXOyLkjgNIqG2iv5Opio7AB96/NGVyB pZ1kHRlLVDCNKv5UdVIxIQd7sdSsR3yAHK5yHJy1vRpXVbyMNBRV4gn8QmkJFFI2ksRT N6Vg== Received: by 10.182.183.73 with SMTP id ek9mr11223713obc.15.1336180494666; Fri, 04 May 2012 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.77.99.96] (mobile-198-228-224-175.mycingular.net. [198.228.224.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id aj16sm8765504oec.4.2012.05.04.18.14.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <9903D9EA-85E1-4CD6-98A9-C4FECC6E4080@seiri.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Bob Bownes -Seiri Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:14:42 -0400 To: "billdentin@aol.com" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk/w9wOOYUDtQN1UpZerIbJa+zJav9qw+JMR/wPQ1pzMk0+/XZHR6NZixLNwGE2o0hC445H Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've always used a curb. :) On May 4, 2012, at 19:12, billdentin@aol.com wrote: > Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I > hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the > od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and > easily be changed. > e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. > Bill... > What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. > Thanks. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 22:00:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872FA2D0C05 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 22:00:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com [17.158.161.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2E02D0BEA for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 20:44:08 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from new-host-2.home (pool-108-52-110-119.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.52.110.119]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3J00FAB3MDWJ30@nk11p00mm-asmtp010.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 05 May 2012 02:44:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-04_07:2012-05-04,2012-05-04,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205040357 From: Scott Janzen Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 22:44:37 -0400 References: To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] blog? - Correction on Racing Shop X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Somebody pointed out to me that I had the wrong shop referenced below as offering GT6 expertise. I meant to say Vintage Racing Services, which has some former Group 44 guys and recently built Studdard's Group 44 GT6 motor. On May 4, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 4 22:47:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB93B2D0C00 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 22:47:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 37E662D0B91 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 21:26:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 03:27:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2012 03:27:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 681892.75514.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88545 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2012 03:27:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336188428; bh=HBkinGyVNfVK4f6B9Tcy3J/EVIY0wmomogVaq8FEQ70=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UWZDLan6nnbgnL504BBKmvAir+SWmkMnUZtTpSJ8/8kW2or691uDV20QNa2G++DCZI/oei3tV62+JTKJtdkiQhVpg1gFo5P/QKiv9pfII5zQMPHfim+b8q3aGBxnaLlLYTJohtmatnv9exTjiEvSfmHF1phf/7anjaP/slwT+qM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lY66Fk7oWFgjW5qsZ5/yArtl31c0JdU9z9g8b98GgLuu8mDzv//M/gmLm0h9mdjDy3Izflxpt6+MWJvxAAqjLT92FnBRl1ZpprOpkHx+UI1CHf0BUmNdku3NgqLJ02sVFlWr0BFr/JYvMb3frn5zoOR4V2GmQSUxBXZHdkRq6M0=; X-YMail-OSG: Cup03IMVM1lmF9SL9QA9yeA91uSdMy0qN6Pz5tC6JPpFBle 3KmyuZhKp_t1Vr6uYBDC4_4PA2TOHm10d6hsCKDl.fCs9fSfYFwk1SqSFKiJ QNOL0._jcZ0HTQt10H1yWGTaupVZxiRteQsxr6P.ykJCPeKjT_ZsXNk8BLKW eytSF9zZg3L5eGZ287E37.8SwVZLB2U4JN9sgaR3kNEi8PL2fO6ZJ_Ji5t0Q XZxoYf6n8EQGZih9SiPDC0XFqo5CLYO3LhwSK2o6msHEKtYq_tNFtwSB9Nv4 jjNsgL8Ssd4wHAtkggysNWKF9eNie87cHrCVaStm05QMdQ9pEi5hdkQBuf9s mjceiP.C5AbnS6C1bD7dQm8M.LINICeOByjWt_E_RR47YaNLxSMtf0Lzbv3x tbdMHtnh5K1aC Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:27:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Friends In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 04:06:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4345E2D0B60 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 04:06:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC282D0B86; Sat, 5 May 2012 02:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaal1 with SMTP id l1so1275699eaa.14 for ; Sat, 05 May 2012 01:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=DMQnwu1uAOIVFl40CrPYJF8glC7AticfAn9Rzvqrb+U=; b=Oc6m4HlnWbWfHEQTkNZiVnT6g54Qop2P65Bv6t5N9z9jCfV2JGBWVXcIJ6aaXTY0nk 96r46jogX/Z6x+mDTWIeSCw8CSTs2HMj6LgKD/R55/gLvdqHiWWplfcMi86e+d9+uSXy Kq6rCG7eys4xjV2qmm8uatLHoZMKw/CV3UChIlgvnus9K8xxKqw9F+SHojZ6SDQZ4DF+ Li9vxxj/S16IrlvErb/MNccLYdUsEDx3XKCzqAbxs51j91X84kVtEf3OL17QPmtLBevT dDx2DsSAgY6D9SSmT2SQWQpRkAILSEJtIVCCySMXba8DbSsufgfi1LtLIGYMgvIlQjOs gzrw== Received: by 10.213.145.2 with SMTP id b2mr1664694ebv.132.1336207522038; Sat, 05 May 2012 01:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y53sm53750225eea.3.2012.05.05.01.45.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 May 2012 01:45:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "sherry robyn" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"Friends" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:45:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120505100629.4345E2D0B60@autox.team.net> What does indexing mean? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 05:38:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238242D0BBF for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 05:38:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A852D0A8D; Sat, 5 May 2012 04:52:23 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from don ([96.20.239.101]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M3J002OOQ84CMS1@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca>; Sat, 05 May 2012 06:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, sherry robyn , fot-bounces@autox.team.net, Friends References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 06:53:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 06:23:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F9C2D0BCC for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 06:23:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3584E2D0B7F; Sat, 5 May 2012 04:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by werb14 with SMTP id b14so2123251wer.14 for ; Sat, 05 May 2012 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=kD8mMU/UOqjwD1k60R8Rs6011BcNT/gG2CHkf8vJ4xE=; b=cuivcWyXWSnQA0hnH1Z+aEal4KgApAY3g5/yMvOuDJWlcx8UKOwgO5HpRLBcdg+iiD F2rDSBye90ApogJQzz+xLJVWuUqKkFT4FLrl3MebxjCM9DXctu37HdMFuKDfPMFukd7x ltf7NFMbR7yE8mbfvKBy78AUUOBHK0xw7rZfQt1TEQKF1HbQvgZtb/zapSweEFIGjJ+8 9i+nhaLgfduI3KkD80pz07wml4jeuTuqoEPWVOFhSd2tdbBhK+GLuKJmI1imlL2vBzH8 zE/T9RoND+8r63V/ML7DQGIn5xNrvsgG6+rO8t0HsnXuaTejaTMoPfwSiRrfRGkplzO8 0y9w== Received: by 10.180.81.135 with SMTP id a7mr20549397wiy.16.1336215369450; Sat, 05 May 2012 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-93-73.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.93.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca3sm4696557wib.6.2012.05.05.03.56.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 May 2012 03:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Don TR'" <58tr3a@videotron.ca>, "'sherry robyn'" , , "'Friends'" References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 12:56:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000901cd2aad$b13d3620$13b7a260$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0qrTkk20do8ARyQrehR9jPt+tAYgAAGAxQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, I see, thank you. Not for my engine - I have 4 electrodes per plug. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don TR [mailto:58tr3a@videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Mai 2012 12:53 An: tr4racing@googlemail.com; sherry robyn; fot-bounces@autox.team.net; Friends Betreff: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 07:09:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B77F2D0BBF for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 07:09:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30F02D0B7F for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 06:15:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=am1cjL7qhai8SD/VRZKIvA==:17 a=OFhLFLKpOosA:10 a=Uqg822TH_dUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wuFZyZilOKHNQc_qZ4cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=am1cjL7qhai8SD/VRZKIvA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 72.189.92.160 Received: from [72.189.92.160] ([72.189.92.160:63999] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B5/32-16302-70A15AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 12:16:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4FA51894.7050806@cfl.rr.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 08:09:56 -0400 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spit throttle bale bracket X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a throttle cable (at the carbs) bracket assembly from a 1500 spit they would like to sell? thxx, Bob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 07:09:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886BB2D0C1C for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 07:09:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6022D0B6D; Sat, 5 May 2012 06:17:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.240.163.80] (39.sub-174-252-157.myvzw.com [174.252.157.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q45CHgMc010593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:44 -0400 References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 To: "tr4racing@googlemail.com" X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=7tBfn1u/1qsiCBwE0Dg/XNHRPrXRqCh0S8k+6vWWeYk= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cBlEP7ozEYxyvTX6iR4gww==:17 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=qwUCzgluw9UmgXn1QCUA:9 a=ejXnnaGZ2V3krQy8xd0A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=cBlEP7ozEYxyvTX6iR4gww==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4FA51A69.0079, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 09:00:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA8B2D0C0C for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:00:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520E52D06E2 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 08:24:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OMylLFmB c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=pb0rhvdD8lAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=VnNF1IyMAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=QtCvOqgHaNry8T_P8Z4A:9 a=VteyQS9il_ThLHIkLkEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=YA5HCgrGZBPwGyOM:21 a=7ZHzCUvxiN3-rNXU:21 a=W-d8CBgb-Q0pfEX6Ii0A:9 a=-eOl1jz931RXtMx5om8A:7 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:1639] helo=kramerde634093) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 6B/CE-27984-85835AF4; Sat, 05 May 2012 14:25:29 +0000 From: "Bob Kramer" To: Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:25:28 -0500 Message-ID: <70B467EE01574187889CF0945A328986@kramerde634093> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net, 'George Harmuth' Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe I should look into modifying the Hookers. They sit about that much below the frame and the current set tucks in nicely. I'd have to dyno test them to be sure, but with equal length and big tubes they may be as good as anything out there. My seat tells me they are worth some HP. -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: George Harmuth; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g _____ From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 13:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62132D0C58 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 13:40:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com (mail.mccarty-law.com [69.129.70.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6F02D0C0D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 13:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 10.1.1.248 ([10.1.1.248]) by svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com ([10.1.1.248]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sat, 5 May 2012 19:02:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Barr, Scott" To: , , Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 Thread-Topic: Nomination Thread-Index: Ac0q8abDWjEnu7NmR6iWqyZmKHy/Cg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing and will need our help. Email addresses are: sstarkweather@vbisd.org and fknight@vbisd.org Thanks! Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 14:40:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9046B2D0C36 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:40:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3952D0B79 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 13:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQl2k-0004j8-6U; Sat, 05 May 2012 14:53:26 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 14:53:16 -0500 To: "Barr, Scott" ,, , From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120505204007.9046B2D0C36@autox.team.net> Second! Tony At 02:02 PM 5/5/2012, Barr, Scott wrote: >Hello, > >I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott >Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing >and will need our help. > >Email addresses are: sstarkweather@vbisd.org and fknight@vbisd.org > >Thanks! > > >Scott Barr >McCarty Law LLP >(920) 257-2233 >www.mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 15:11:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FBD2D09FB for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 15:11:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68832D0C16 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W112 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 5 May 2012 13:19:32 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.132.139] From: marty sukey To: , FOT , , Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 16:19:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2012 20:19:32.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[61B85D10:01CD2AFC] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second, love to have more Spitfires to share my uh experiences with. Don't know that I'll be much help :) Welcome guys! Marty > From: sbarr@McCarty-Law.com > To: fot@autox.team.net; nomination@autox.team.net; sstarkweather@vbisd.org > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello, > > I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott > Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing > and will need our help. > > Email addresses are: sstarkweather@vbisd.org and fknight@vbisd.org > > Thanks! > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 15:44:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF682D0C54 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 15:44:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com (mail.mccarty-law.com [69.129.70.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA552D0B5D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 15:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 10.1.1.248 ([10.1.1.248]) by svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com ([10.1.1.248]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sat, 5 May 2012 21:00:50 +0000 Message-ID: <5e20b449-deae-4853-af32-4d4469bf9a26@blur> From: "Barr, Scott" To: "marty sukey" , "FOT" , Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:00:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Nomination Thread-Index: Ac0rAib8BKNkFKoLSWmMY+Xraejqaw== References: In-Reply-To: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fknight@vbisd.org Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They were not dissuaded by the sight of me rolling around under No49Blue pulling the pan to find a bunch of brass/bronze shavings in there (seriously - where the heck would that come from?). This proves they have no sense and will fit in nicely. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: marty sukey To: "Barr, Scott" , FOT , nomination@autox.team.net, sstarkweather@vbisd.org Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 20:19:31 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 17:16:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA4B2D0B33 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 17:16:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0CF2D0B5D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 16:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q45MSc4b007521; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:28:38 -0400 Received: from core-dle001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.129]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 92000E000082; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catpusher@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa1f.9c8ef69.3cd70396@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [76.14.44.106] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336256918; bh=JUxwwUtH7qd40Wd8RzyvLFyxTt7oAR94gU/IXQR4aoo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p+aK86FLEHjSf/bLpF4T/fcbbXkeLKoHCzsvo3P0O3ytRCZeMigYTx2TZTDCOt5ts JVoMmOIVtKIJrq1Hk3MTv5xDaWXZwBmgup7u+/N3OdcAkiZNenqK7D+vpNZjnzf1qh ILNkyge75m5GiQcTCswdmXLwOFM8PLUjaB+u9NbA= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:404911360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4fa5a996294f X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 5/5/2012 3:07:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request@autox.team.net writes: From: sherry robyn To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 18:17:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13292D0B3F for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:17:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.161.0]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5DA2D0AF6 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 17:43:58 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from new-host-2.home (pool-108-52-110-119.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.52.110.119]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3K00AKPPY6GH60@nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 05 May 2012 23:44:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-05_05:2012-05-04,2012-05-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205050292 From: Scott Janzen Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 19:44:31 -0400 Message-id: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 19:19:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BB52D0B4D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 19:19:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C0D2D0B1B for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520C12E02E for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 18:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FA5C594.2040405@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 18:28:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for including their email addresses. A lot of people don't seem to realize that to add an email address to the list I need an email address ;-) They are on. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 19:50:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F62D0B5D for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 19:50:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C2B02D0AF6 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 19:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 01:08:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 01:08:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 01:08:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 988511.22016.bm@omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 27845 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 01:08:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336266517; bh=m8qRksU4Y0YuXOADVVIJbnKhddY4L5Q6AmT1eDODzaQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=keJrxBzO1jlJu07d5oI2STyR9WfJV05japszSK11Q54SdlKfr98T5LmdCdZvRp6PC2wrmDnIvtj86gO+RCprM7db8/7IsbCvQA9Jw0oNuijV81qpq7yFVlPVG5nek6i+CjJ9DyrZM9DHB7gBWrfTyAoZEnqigsZvSJbvwOVCXII= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uGsBcq7Dcwptq2bGIuwqkWHi5kHjS6KpT/WXQsqFI0U43wbbWgJULEMmjH7mth34sB/5w82D6R07wo78CwYG2Dd/Iip+i5IdFjRr5AjVks6L9O2VfddYAwNhjtMDuqHfS6wM2bgnLwMO9zMIiqfEzOobMLbgGtpTb07WmxhCZ30=; X-YMail-OSG: T6M05wgVM1nqla_DyOYaf4.R7y8omNS76y3pMYnjkBqvX8B HzvWl3SyoilQD5EwP7vuJuj._VuOBREF59j7na8jciVu8b4ol2zpOOytZuvk 2td4EwbO87SWZYDx7DjOCuwZl6VdBkgB2kgDbr1LJLMYtm75OZtoM5_YDK3s BPKOSsCIFvgWTvBU0uKLNiWcRnr3QenwJ7C_AYkYff4tZ2fAva5_ZQ6qNUs9 uu5PQekXm5EbmNOFrUaSCDN8csb7NG2aCglPWDg7nZWw3L.I6cUyilqVWYVs XtXlwmHWQPsEE8vQkDgnIt9vKxO3B26WEmiAliFn9WDs3vonMB8.0OZddDCR 97.RNPvECZgt_YdhLP9FLHpvDQc2FjfK4FAmLruYTjTJDj5QLlcWr3L6NO4E ggzAk8s_KTZMlOZTRT5gTR.RmmUeiFcde828J5qlGBQo56pv_jiVNa75zE3P 82YslOugMUTuvlZ9C.ClYwg2SLW6KPcKbSeDaPQi9QDZ5R4aB_bQr Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 May 2012 18:08:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, trmarty@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" To: marty sukey ; igofaster@att.net; FOT Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster@att.net >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 5 20:54:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0112D0B74 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 20:54:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s39.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s39.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72F12D0B02; Sat, 5 May 2012 19:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W9 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s39.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 5 May 2012 18:57:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.144.136.162] From: Kas Kastner To: , MadMarx Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 01:57:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2012 01:57:38.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D0FD120:01CD2B2B] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net, fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing@googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 05:52:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70F22D0ABA for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 05:52:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E802D0A66 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 05:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91178A4C087; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at tr.ccfot.com Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voGSGAFzJwLk; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C4929A4C083; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> From: To: "Bobby Whitehead" References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 07:54:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3DF2D0AA6 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:54:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCCC2D0A8A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3L00K1RR8KKST0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 May 2012 08:09:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: "Scott Janzen" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 09:09:51 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and > some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run > with all the Porsches. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 09:16:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B895B2D0A67 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:16:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 883352D0AA6 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 14:10:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 14:10:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 14:10:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 6236.19804.bm@omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38893 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 14:10:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336313443; bh=RHklsRUslpqmIZh8BOBG7VjjpipxxbwgM5IJ6gcw7+I=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IaFNyKAe/SR1/rKiIvTAVc0GQUjBvv0MvC23Vfihs5rwr7ZKiwl+t/1mQA7owPZRfs7ZrfXlaNk/a/gI4Ab2BkqFFCjV6wNzP0waas2hOJ/HDWCL2gDwcpPhMU9fqHqRN5PAB5Y0nxF0d5kyzAYcN9M/5yUzMGO+QJV9ZWn1WUQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cnuiCM8f2y9X+I0PJHMH45fkpKDs0Xy3pWaZ1YRQrGB1ZmuvNSjk4YVvxGKwP7Bbh1yvgJxenDLyCMVsRyC6da0cMIeftEvVX8+CsEyC0Qv7ZPwBhzpG6zLc1qqYEf/HpmX2U9nNcf13+bMLVxljkwvhCwJy/SrOJ+FCKq/Lm7s=; X-YMail-OSG: QvPrEZAVM1lxruoRHM5D3unBCCIUua6XgJZKWBtdv0T7fvT Z1BBEbYV2E7kMbuNbgMxXhDR1Qlptm45.lKt3OBzm0XMvj4inXBFJEvbx_VS icSakuQIe8XNJdwg0RdCUAEfqHMTkfI1oqBN5gaSZLXT_U2A9YyeKM00Oh9Y GME8GZQClrmq5m_1.FuFuYGFRK9otU56xmpMfo4kJO_npbd9kyzOxiilHV8u 1eCbP82ga_qQrpXCG1Ve5EUCgyqpP8f5g27rrMoKGuqS.s8KmLKsqSzkzJyO JvzYevNcm8VIgm.K9CnZl2GssoLxhG._O07tQTVrWfgphuzkTn5SpF0Z9ElY Kmh33Rs7DICa1GuhTDwBsM37K1vQbSIkaCVDo9MV8Gk8mDIN8fu8vpVeF6SZ mL.9PuuKW Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:10:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04@tr4racer.com In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks Henry! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > >dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 09:16:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966532D0B53 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:16:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4A4E2D0A87 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 14:19:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.90] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 14:19:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 14:19:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 614799.51342.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 51448 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 14:19:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336313945; bh=w2qVKnb8putvmXuOLbbmWmD5Z6GsWsOwXkKnun+EaQY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5u9TxsuxhZlzgCn/4gragstZYeYHuuDjhS5zr+VfySXTz9gdEGkQMLbvHSl23KYg7Ns+04V+eXqKKYXn9X2N/vYmmzxlpmCFO+shL7pXCkqzumyKjWX78FavldxXazw2CHT23smotu3DwUjfZqdnQtZPcEsJGZkm0IErswQgO3w= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cILUFkt7x0TJguSxA6STYz8JV/M8APGiB1RQiHBIjI76w7mCC+o+MOsguBCtBaRhgRiCK3AzUBcHjIz2+R4EMrdZ0outU9nGKIQuxrbipJHr9kX07ZI6Ea4RsfuSXOKOyFUbVr/PbHOlOE/uCR2Rsb0PmMflT0+F6brOO+D5BlE=; X-YMail-OSG: q7kL6zAVM1lY_bkv1iT5NOJSlQroRSh4p4DTOtdLN9P.l.I 07wZEzuDEuthaCixOatxx_DravYpfryslynhaiJO9IOdpQRKDlZiqf8GhBE3 rKY7NoeUdLTP9vr1p3_eTx_oytxDBK84HJE1jVvaeFohMXJL44WjZwHp5.T5 Sr9VgsefIOR.VmiYczfbjhquRmD.mFQNt4bC2NrOCUlMm8pelA96qtUC_j8G 9cH5o7teDjRNE1Jv8MxlqWpvDIvoLCBdpBMEG9thv3swN1Q2tX0p1o.mh6cM Np1LuvL6aHpye3KR_5bapsCP4iQuxBGD4F6pKLeqR13498JzNRZM4gxKvvYu skvhf8ON.tb2fm0LNz_22aj5m4DA1pabBn1HXCVRCJeOZ6kbAKEytoz576OB xB.m2kyFX Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:19:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Chuck Watson Subject: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:01:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCA72D089A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:01:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F7B02D0A4A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 15:13:37 -0000 Received: from [72.30.22.76] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 15:13:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 15:13:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 551004.36950.bm@omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70746 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 15:13:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336317217; bh=5SzN+FhzTAcKakwo79yH2XN3vm6yBP6bqpENQDZgcV4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZCFQW6VWDJuhJADDhMtNqqhU2vM/UaO4yzyOF41D/xON9gRSWfJprVXfAuueIv8rrFw6hBfdy6rN5NkhEEoo6aWBztU9EjDPXj+w/8XGAjnf/EpZIq7Sz5wvb/Af5OUYVFbAr9pr0Z5lueGrm4i+0/NnbwPPfW81kdaVfWtarfU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qFH82siU3igOHtJIq1rxaKHtQSX8nPfFQ7Y0qdag6ZeCI+NBqxOl16YAQCvFJgwPAFL7YE3dDFBNu3EkIltLcGMYOVfBmHUyyxtJeOqGbM9u7nyMMim2sl9wrfHlslMI4XcPhx1LL6YUBb8s5eBw90CDYRzNilgLKOaPxlkq6qA=; X-YMail-OSG: CFTHAAgVM1l53cfy4r6tjwP_ADnyOv3sAN6JeQNvwPh7Qv4 6lQLEdpFzmBWv8e2xG7r9xghqdn0VRonVOQBqHTLkkUUzudb2PXhuAKtmfp9 HyBe3rprIRpqzilOo9bZKEthRnp8.vCFcOO1d.I_Bv1wNtnnRJJWN8WnmhMF Djt_NsdjdcDL9SU56WTVj9B9QONIjQ.1YLw599LGMJg_tCWujCh9LlE7pdo4 FAqy9S9VimasHD49vLc0cFUkgyuDmQrsjoZwIfazZZGeXcLfL6A4K8xzxgSe LSm8yveVF88HmBuDud0uKvYgJyFBEXMaLv_UQggIihnyJo7ZvkKmVEdPOZ4W kplnHjKrV9JEWLmsYXWYgAryjoLhY9cfLtRAlqYxoAUinS_wkjZfsj1GfWHZ oUXmGMliDMNQt.FCjqkc2xpyYCeGB6ubxrswre9aa4QeFClMx67fR8N.qmYC rJ6V7AJ9UH1.RMPMFH4CcUoSRf49W25Wu_FFE7xlyDkUV9_psE4b2fTxEurp ufMlf49j3CZ29y3aZiy6GcrZlfsw9Bfy8KcM0mSZT.w-- Received: from [71.99.4.18] by web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 08:13:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <1336317216.69025.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Diehl To: Kas Kastner , "jhhasty@gdhs.com" , MadMarx In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ed Diehl List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, Kas, you are right on that. We never even gave a thought to power increase, unless you consider closed up plug gaps a power problem. Hope you are doing well. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: jhhasty@gdhs.com; MadMarx Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing@googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:50:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5407B2D0C3D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:50:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D5D2D099A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9yf38rt1qaQRKklMUP4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=r-Nx7JatAAAA:8 a=CmRbszUD7Ydn8jtX8w0A:9 a=M0nwvjDLy-ZrBHMkwe8A:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=XsCGGb76VYoA:10 a=03KNH8dG1VkA:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:59316] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 47/61-07741-8CE96AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 15:54:49 +0000 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:54:46 -0500 To: Bobby Whitehead X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 10:50:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B2E2D0C6E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 10:50:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2032D0A63 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 09:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DyMgSWZyTC8Hl-Qsdr8A:9 a=b8i2uNkxuHAKnsIY5pEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:59325] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 95/59-16302-B10A6AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:00:27 +0000 References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> In-Reply-To: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <3ABCB876-A9AC-4160-98AB-B1E8AA1071CC@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:00:27 -0500 To: william r tobin Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Those of us in TX racing TR4's and GT6's with CVAR are always grouped with 911 and 914-6's. It us great fun to finish ahead of them but with the stretching of the rules that seems so prevalent in vintage racing these says the Porsches keep getting faster and faster. I often push my car harder than I want to. I have to admit the fun factor is dropping faster than a 911 at the end of the NASCAR straight at TWS. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 8:09 AM, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! > The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. > I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > > >> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 13:16:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E062D0A14 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:16:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244D22D0A1F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 12:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3M006035CXRUG0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 May 2012 13:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <8BBCC74110DC406A9269C40DA309B544@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:14:43 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jefferson 500 group X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott Janzen and Bob Kramer: here's the good news. Last year I was in the paddock next to Jim's Pinto (yes, Pinto...fast car) and his friend Kris with a 2002. Nice bunch of guys who like to enjoy themselves. Looking forward to a good weekend. I may go to BeaveRun this week for a shakedown cruise. It ran when I shut it off last fall; should run now! Actually, I'm going over the car even as we speak. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Karamanis To: william r tobin Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Jefferson 500 group Bill, Not a problem, 16 / Marlboro it is. Look forward to hanging out again! See ya soon. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: william r tobin To: jim@vrgonline.org Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: Jefferson 500 group Hi Jim, how's everything? Way busy up here, even with being retired. I checked the entry list for the 500 and saw I'm in group 1 with 911's and 914-6's. I get eaten alive by those guys. Any chance of getting into group 3, the Marlboro bunch? I may be able to keep up with some of them! Scott Janzen is #61 in a GT-6; I could use a strip of black duct tape and be #16. I think #6 is already taken. Thanks. See you in a couple weeks. Bill Tobin TR6 Not blazingly fast but having fun! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:57:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8C02D0C6A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:57:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.244]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C44BF2D0C16 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 13:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 19:47:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.56] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 19:47:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 19:47:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 873449.14606.bm@omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65621 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 19:47:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336333658; bh=lNqlACEnNUg/2zwJq34ql9S0Gf9yHA0DIJg6hKpkhkM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5E7PExSoVDaHeV9/aooXeIi4PCnndA3UNacpv8eseVFOsNASeC2v2eMQ+MYUSyDj89MMAPzMzIi8YULH++i/OwSbnzGpaZSrzJTaNhWmzTuSQW9Umbi4Q9g6ngYBlT/Jl6d1cFfxddYxqbFa4n1bTEmxF6uToOvfPI7OiYiIMK8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PZlbovxLxdumtkou4QlEX5xsTwhpmHkYNvkE2H4zQpEakv14cEKVFhWgwAFxjq8dWYAT94J4xJHxIxiG30QQ+yAvCCAOa6jAMW9JlaQHg/iKKncWssw9tfv89MjTfDvGSeTY6Uh5YIyyJpKeABJahrWxlNYEo3URv++YBCjbV0c=; X-YMail-OSG: vOjYbUUVM1n268gjgeqp9MG2V_jaoEW.LXBKot3KrAQ.Ztf IpJOZdhFAe9WQm7MSA5nf8mJDHuxUMmjsCcCX8IH7SyOoxFn7Dc7ZfQxGVlu WARV8lSzyTWJmNTjbfmUObIaxsXMzm5bddcJyVrsZ_czKC4ptAOgU6RyzGyk lhVQ61A2CrCwVfnlY_H3c2YvMvIbRib4pgszaOlxHYQvp2Te5Jz8FovHFg_o 7m6mS7b0k5DNkMRYiNKnNrz2PxZDTDWDPsNHUI_dxFRk9K6MHPhW4jruV7H_ Gvd5i.mSXWORjNCCpksYITeRBXcU.bxMPDOnBJbs0qYdpEaouLxDESjDKVq0 OKasc3BPeUse6lJXQ5GpbbnXYFLgR3A.j.gIp1A88tMGdhUiF5uD6g.AMDfA LNAlikmcUAyy3C007GuOQUok_eYnk5fFcxtRyd690uyz_ki.cyMkC3oZQpq0 510vgDvqmumYNbilUW9kzL9xM_QbPSS5PLOTeYYXgcxiU3C8xrBO8LQx5 Received: from [74.139.181.194] by web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 12:47:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Munson To: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" , Bobby Whitehead In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Munson List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:58:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37852D0C8F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:58:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76A6E2D0C43 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 20:02:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.74] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 20:02:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 20:02:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 187371.1526.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 34667 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 20:02:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336334536; bh=0UpwORAfUzjgmdLxOQK0x4PRxvOzF46aOcXp94bx73M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yIvi+0QgWT1U2LzjA5T7CPHbMX4WfOvOd49daJtTG0H2axM5+vGpkLIeGIMZexDy9kruV6/3LeToXhwgdfd1IanGBoBeZXW8j4S42NG0BeCggTK3nk9Cl21evOUPVoydceH7mJ8BifPgQmu3cYpG8iqjYUGI3Hhs+9x4O53M0RI= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fV6MYCDuSyh9lp6FRSHfMr9M9DsZWPLbkpXBN0NoMXwxpdIPx2I4dBoBGVNE6HIA9uyvI/ORpJR4v22fHIy6zzwH3ZwM4ctNe8tOYnOqTpFkrjTM2lSQf8J19XGOHcBya68PaJoH0fR2JayxaKyS+1WI1xamqny/izQhZ5cy/qw=; X-YMail-OSG: uOJ5KhYVM1n9d6e7CBXTOlZEjLGrVHhkU5QPep0_lU4rkPD SWT0wca60Gn4AorGoub33FwDkCOV9BZCt9zKT3_eOc.IXy3ftsljs7_t8Yp_ 1mijqyKQAf4vGhFyQVXEVoscj_OxX3ReiHl87LCcgJUf4JfkFgx908HiY8t8 JPWSBjHDU6i.vcxRh45UJ0t8rQo9EupaEHrKvkQQ3BRcCcOIkPo.eIt._G2Y HB7jdklregLgdpt3mjDdX.YoTaAd_UR9SqYcFhGmrC4e3HOKWQvMCGyGSypv _bQodB8z6TO7XUSzfwgPPX.mhcp4d72sNRCZFlmBvlUUNQfg_1wTJO.Jg_7q Bq48U_J2RjuXYHgxhdLOyQVVLfpAylhS.q90ci_kyGF858_JbU11xiXDxVup p59wDLiBbnKslTrTmWi5C6KHQQ1xtDQp4fVrmykfRFsClDMKhhP_3v761jvV y2kiXIfZ7w9CKaVYMJxZ5dEXG1vED4to_dgj5TVBnHjId59yzJaDT Received: from [68.165.86.214] by web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 13:02:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph In-Reply-To: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 14:58:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177112D0C47 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:58:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72DB42D0C4D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.36] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 20:02:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 20:02:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 542921.52214.bm@omp1036.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 98915 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 20:02:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336334541; bh=wmVh2JQDPdk04oRp0OBVM6i9ICWboLuAX0RNcolM9QU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fE1ZejyyFuBxac/ZhuAeYS2EMEkaeCUX/C9wnfqlvUv79o/w4xEUeKE8H/5eNuJ6t6IdPLJbov6ifz9ugHYEB1z7h2Fod90bqPXhvevGdx1OEDXh+gUz28T7nZX/1UG02CbWJDL8pyyIeg62bpFBVW+HDpDwyx/N0Rvg7AXe+P4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xULcw7oHIN/W3obk6UxiR54NzFq7er5ATnv5zyy+rdyncABxYRRpcnAnygMbMNPbquPJaO7EHJWNMuBFhJkX+PfnSs91UuRMzNRdi++zP0HdkfhmrITJeNQgF9GCQseBcKQSUezHuK9vjVuE777jQJMYL4adtrP/GQcCM7lYQOA=; X-YMail-OSG: rp3OP.4VM1mqFaR4lqiTYa2NUfgnwuM6wlOPfG1MwwCqExb TLHMZgJjBUE5w_3hLFLMYF.2W9sUGyHCQDrnZjkVSYglrr9G9Aa3yp3BepOf Ycy5F4OZv7X6R6Lurxre0hhBEWDxv78kTblvF_.q6xgmqRjeJd2Mhp1dafJC YFTKubqnKeIa6pbBBWqTtqtcUe71mraNPrmPVuDNn5QiW.Ec1yIMWnzd1Azx lO3sHK2mKk.trHV4pgXXP9QvNdxHV.MDrhqJK6AV6K8SWuota24gkaq8DNCP 2GDWikAyFQly1.B8I7.FzgDopWlJTkyV1saD7FTpjV4IseuE0pkiVS6sVDp8 LfKOMpvirM4OHgowkYI306cS8QtmWyuyFGK.tjAij2yXPsMOck95V2qIROk3 meIGPctDO8NbImNyn9BLZPmKRUdhSwB9TC1163XFZWsnybQtcSlodqoR2iih nbXRZs5kWG5s8H0XMU7.KNzQqR3U.4FTJ0nddpaD0zGzkjF9K52bJmZkP Received: from [74.139.181.194] by web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 13:02:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Munson To: Bob Kramer , Bobby Whitehead In-Reply-To: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Munson List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 16:30:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B9F2D0C54 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:30:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98B582D0C4F for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:04:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.14] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:04:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:04:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1336338264; bh=9fkqftnTJCnzvvlTLgCJdxSQj5p7KDTR2EVGWQZ0KbI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q2498wFROplun3mcxq1fE+9UZQJtBxSURdU06vlQ5jBOk9L+NKbHSg1iHItfeh4ku2CZrs/sSHrqliTzE9VkNRt2+N9/5+29KzmbYZk7n7mupHEJGSwqSRKS1Nu5UtLXQ66WxGBj48+zt4OFy54GO8XUguSGH0gU3GKiUgJ4juE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407891.78247.bm@smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6kMDen0VM1kxMvmmgfBfh3.ujJwCCLAJbCl_YJXlP7Zcsmx YA1YsXF_kSR5AuCUZcCnN75U6qkslv_5v9fFCio6iJd0Z6eGVn2O8yXY8gzr zJWPLcCX0rrAifQOjeQcXFFm9C0mR2m.Iu2qvoR4no_yN9jz2SPimipjkTom QQeXIjgL6ZKGW2v9dr5qkOrBc9XjOx9rsCsfWw16cINXjDr5keniFYtnGqBc beuf.jeSaJO.Emg6QWprVtQP7XNglj_gcBdMPz7Ppo8Um0dra_g_GLds8Cwy PQlzTwZKdceRjCSufI0xw_FYK2nh6QqRNa0J8HwSGVK9UQx06ZsiOfCIL33A f1TEK5rJFn7X_u3MNol16scT9NxEaAI5oJdLkiHGA.c4PKaVacmprSPhm_62 XkkFDb30CsKXub1Pg3hR9ijCs9Vbz9Qo4nPEr44nreUpMlagFK58K88.b2Ww NX5PaJFhD4wjxwX_RpjemAR.7_lGOG1EACTgkKeE2uQ.9y_sc3s0j1eDS5q4 aCOcknOMcSbAYSzfa X-Yahoo-SMTP: _lMlaL2swBCNeG0IuxO2TIRPBRfHezGk6Vo7h52hKSvU1pc- Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dmitchel@68.248.72.129 with plain) by smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2012 14:04:23 -0700 PDT Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 17:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Mitchell To: Bobby Whitehead MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll second that nomination. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Bobby Whitehead wrote: >can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > >Bobby > >THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > >________________________________ >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: FoT Triumph >Cc: Chuck Watson >Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta >when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need >the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > >Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com > >welcome aboard Chuck! > >BGW >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 16:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8B12D0C8A for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:31:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A47A2D0C2E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=JtkPWIuAACk2AZ1msiwA:9 a=PtEhW6g_b40_AWH8g6QA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=y4Pfit1spEG-0G9s2K0A:9 a=2Wsu7FBeSnjx5f-VXwUA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:59459] helo=[192.168.1.8]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id CC/4F-29249-EBEE6AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:35:58 +0000 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:35:56 -0500 To: Mike Munson X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun we had. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bob, > > I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! > BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! > > Mike > > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found > these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and > quitting is not an option! > > I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of > being vanquished....... > > > Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, > gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the > colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. > Franz Marc > > Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets > his fear make him quit. > Jerome Cady > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > > Henry! Bobby > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" > > To: Bobby Whitehead > > Cc: FoT Triumph > > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > > > > Bobby, > > > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has > escaped > > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > > > :-) > > > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is > strength > > in numbers. > > > > Henry > > yellow04@tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Bobby Whitehead > >> To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com > >> Cc: FoT Triumph > >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > >> > >> > >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then > all of > >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 16:31:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1DA2D0D0D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:31:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5742D0B4D for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fv4p3TX4Mlzm8Q9T3NEA:9 a=S65lf38fwLA9IBV0qmkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:59463] helo=[192.168.1.8]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EF/E2-29249-26FE6AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:38:42 +0000 References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:38:41 -0500 To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, so I'll jump in here and second it. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > > Bobby > > THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Cc: Chuck Watson > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta > when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go > vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need > the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > > Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com > > welcome aboard Chuck! > > BGW > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 16:33:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AE42D0C71 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:33:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B64D2D08A7 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.78] by nm21.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:41:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.42] by tm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:40:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2012 21:40:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 481107.18724.bm@omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71116 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2012 21:40:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336340436; bh=sGWDqGioLTyf1JxiD8ELX0VbfFcbB48ov6neWXs7umE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E6JWs2VFkndNVqsRX8QIQhVLNfDa5qmsN2sLn0xjU4ryqP6QWoAa4Z2tIrM81GJUERJD6ddlw6/n+lMAE1DSCtzeXB3R8IQzKNsvs6MEDpzxpNPgdDHtUBrgN0aJJwuFo4p3XTMdRKEd4hjq8j2D5Zd3AWogoI5ake3EzsVqk3M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=miyyikbAs7XXqjjRegfKf41bUgdK6xtTYVEqebFnGFaSo+JL8lwE7MyI7p/Tj08k63mNhUACAZ24qtVXZCmadWA+5y3YSoNmRrked8k02hDghEcGmDmMYsbwVO8ktyD4sdY8X4VduXDw2R8HhiHW4SNzraYl2G26ydFSPM1P/0g=; X-YMail-OSG: jb_pTJQVM1llyq8tj2TU5OnKCdg816pQvx8MQ_u9OUTZ03L 6W611v93GycX2g3WgmrK7iGzTPTt3QQMXQAWus3_wwxYS740obwAxUaarUxk mKVAvojiYBrXFeVexbnmOivIt8coqqLCJN7q0V2hYUScvWnVAfO8CDwZnUbb WOX_BvDVnWrwVRW2C6TYdo7T_ROOXNW8T7jwNfSNKry4EfuzDC7PFfwNCIP3 WCpgIZpVj.bsDS23cCDHjQPVF8yFJkw0m7kcrUS9JQZqcy4AHOevs8djsNMQ QjyDv1sJyHp8i0_fHSGvTLgqXyJJARtuEfduKzIz55lbETUXMJSkIUmcPLM5 zfXIpDTDtBez7wwB3HRSycpHJ_KI4FIb8KgzFJ0YOKjJSqPDdD62YzbsMN4z imO051D1vCNv1HvTNqBMFtnmbfSUpUmJwyVpxA0PW8BaA26xMbLKHAeOLf2r 0Esg5VZfyjPpNiOc295gS.2Nb9DHaTogg2DyM8F3qrbTRqgKKvXhL8B2V Received: from [74.139.181.194] by web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2012 14:40:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Munson To: Bobby Whitehead , FoT Triumph In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Munson List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 16:33:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D975D2D0D5E for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 16:33:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DA92D0A2B for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:45:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=cssZYiEi c=1 sm=0 a=xuSzmQoJ1jvkAIfTlZRNrg==:17 a=bADDkjKAeCQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OyC06ryYAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=GJpWHVV6-3lJxNxwhrkA:9 a=l5fQeb2hJ9usROqJd24A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=odH-e7XOr-sYAjjP:21 a=kixcj5XjzxmwdP4w:21 a=xuSzmQoJ1jvkAIfTlZRNrg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.114.170.59 Received: from [70.114.170.59] ([70.114.170.59:49445] helo=BlakePC) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 48/19-09134-E21F6AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:46:22 +0000 From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Mike Munson'" , "'Bob Kramer'" , "'Bobby Whitehead'" References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:46:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000701cd2bd1$afe593b0$0fb0bb10$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0ryyc48oxMo8m/QPuSeHHswxHNcgABVL8w Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It was a part of my evil plan to be behind Bob with two laps to go then we hit lap traffic. Bob got by going into turn 3 and I did not. I got John coming up out of the esses but did not get the Blue TR4 until turn 8. Bob used that to his advantage and put too big a gap between us. All in all a blast of a race. I think we swapped for 11th 5 times. The link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZP5H8IsUQ&feature=g-upl -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:02 PM To: Bob Kramer; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4978 - Release Date: 05/04/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 17:17:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC542D0C81 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:17:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA1F2D0A46 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:51:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=cssZYiEi c=1 sm=0 a=kVz//Zzo0sE1iRJ/5K4ipQ==:17 a=vMSXl12t6bgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=x5fpMxr4M7zjYlBfZWAA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Kf1rdhS96oBOWtZc61QA:9 a=on_PzTtB6tXneC1rt5YA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=kVz//Zzo0sE1iRJ/5K4ipQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 98.30.73.97 Received: from [98.30.73.97] ([98.30.73.97:4434] helo=Bucktailus) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/7D-09134-572F6AF4; Sun, 06 May 2012 21:51:49 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Robert Johns" To: "FOT team" Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:51:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Indexing of spark plug electrodes X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fot team list: For those of you that want to orient the placement of the electrodes, I have left over from my "Autolite racing spark plug engineering" days, an few solid 14 mm spark plug gaskets. I had the thicker ones made for just such a purpose, as electrode placement and /or proper end of thread body location. They are of two thickness'. I have the most of .137" and some of .067" thickness. They, of course, can be thinned to what ever thickness you need. The .067 were intended to be used as is, and are basically the normal spark plug gasket thickness. Free for the asking. I have no use for them any more. 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[74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hq3sm10831073igc.0.2012.05.06.15.47.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 May 2012 15:47:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Mike Munson" ,"Bobby Whitehead" ,"FoT Triumph" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:47:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnzKhdcyKKsZFJCXmRGT8mDLwhUWVlCSqNc/AS5kfz4M82tvWdNCZLthOXtSO+gA6TFqQXq Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jason@multivintage.com List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120507000208.95ECE2D0A1A@autox.team.net> Yeah, I'll second too. I met the guy, nice fellow. I already told him he was nuts. He will need lots of help building a safe car from scratch. But he seemed pretty confident, and knowledgable. I love the idea. It should probably be yellow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Reply-To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:52:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FFC2D0C83 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:52:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B035C2D0C24 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:49:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.253.70.0] (43.sub-174-252-148.myvzw.com [174.252.148.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q46NnrYW013726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 6 May 2012 19:50:04 -0400 References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:49:48 -0400 To: Bob Kramer X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2bV/36Fju8L1TzzRc4naFQ==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=wUt0Zf-H4iAvUhWJkiMA:9 a=0v4kWrhJyv0dCSG-UP4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=2bV/36Fju8L1TzzRc4naFQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FA70E31.0010, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good Lord you guys, My , Larry's , 3 is not only yellow, it's 1972. Chrysler yellow & came from your part of the country... So it must be male, not female! Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin > TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? > > That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic > group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun > we had. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> Hey Bob, >> >> I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with > the yellow paint on it! >> BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! >> >> Mike >> >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I > found >> these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and >> quitting is not an option! >> >> I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share > of >> being vanquished....... >> >> >> Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female > principle, >> gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always > the >> colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. >> Franz Marc >> >> Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets >> his fear make him quit. >> Jerome Cady >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks >>> Henry! Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>> >>> >>> Bobby, >>> >>> You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... >>> >>> Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has >> escaped >>> with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is >> strength >>> in numbers. >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04@tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>>> To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com >>>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>>> >>>> >>>> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and > then >> all of >>>> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 18:52:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAEE2D0C43 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:52:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F7C2D0AA6 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 17:52:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.253.70.0] (43.sub-174-252-148.myvzw.com [174.252.148.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q46NqTP5016071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 6 May 2012 19:52:36 -0400 References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:52:14 -0400 To: Bob Kramer X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2bV/36Fju8L1TzzRc4naFQ==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Ze96msxwglxYkKg2h7kA:9 a=y1wCtWFIh4TBc1YOG9QA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=2bV/36Fju8L1TzzRc4naFQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FA70EC8.0061, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, > so I'll jump in here and second it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >> >> Bobby >> >> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: FoT Triumph >> Cc: Chuck Watson >> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road > Atlanta >> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously > need >> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby > Whitehead >> >> Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com >> >> welcome aboard Chuck! >> >> BGW >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 19:48:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AB02D0CA3 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 19:48:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6CE2D0A68 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 18:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=is-b61aJGkqH5BAzi64A:9 a=JiqX1VMv_YMK4t5TP4gA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:59516] helo=[192.168.1.7]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 50/9C-29249-C8317AF4; Mon, 07 May 2012 00:13:00 +0000 References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> In-Reply-To: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Bob Kramer Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:12:58 -0500 To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to get me out. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, >> so I'll jump in here and second it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>> To: FoT Triumph >>> Cc: Chuck Watson >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road >> Atlanta >>> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >>> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously >> need >>> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby >> Whitehead >>> >>> Chuck Watson .. clw2000@msn.com >>> >>> welcome aboard Chuck! >>> >>> BGW >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 6 21:41:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770312D0CB4 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:41:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753222D0C66 for ; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q472KVQ5026185; Sun, 6 May 2012 22:20:31 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id BC946E0000A0; Sun, 6 May 2012 22:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Sam Clark In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:20:29 -0500 Message-Id: References: To: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336357231; bh=FORLz4GyBQIxkBgI+gtbs112+a7JwGXrWlWxyHllJ+c=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=h1a6++2NKy8yLP9FxKvfDSKwWasC0LUpF0D7OdITFNLclh8fJjSi7R82pJg0iTBeQ 0WeRXADrXhs8KyqYUk5Uw3XONo52ACx2bLP/D3SFWMbvRvUDHyvvbsqMKcW+VLgVfz QYe2p+0zIQTq3gWCaIQfOjj1WOixtb++9rRHhyUM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:344960096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33864fa7316e29ad X-AOL-IP: 72.213.139.102 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob and all, Carol and I bought a '72 GT6 a couple of years ago. I am as big (if not bigger than Bob, even though I have lost about 60lbs in the past 6 months) and they are snug! With a bum knee I can get in ok but need a crane to get out. I autocrossed it at the South Central Regional last weekend and it was a real trip! Bob is right about finding the brake pedal. I have to wear the narrowest shoes I have to drive it. The New Balance won't cut it. I love the car but really don't fit. Maybe 20 more pounds. . . Missed you and Barbara at the Regional. Glad you had fun at the Mitty. Sam On May 6, 2012, at 7:12 PM, fot-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: Bob Kramer > To: John Hasty > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E@austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was > building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the > Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal > cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to > get me out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 06:53:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446242D0C97 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 06:53:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3182D2D0C77 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 05:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q47Bn7Km009192; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:07 -0400 Received: from core-msd002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.5]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8DC0CE000081; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:07 -0400 (EDT) References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> To: wgaplin@bellsouth.net In-Reply-To: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336391347; bh=oNTXEh5IZFLncaY5c5fulm6XrZqasFkLjCHhBbk1jEM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uX4A7qqIo8NH0BpZztfvcKTCrtA8VWVurOWNyjdagqtiBzzn/WkuyW93/E3//TFiy xFmAw/TdrU9eNs5YSRLAEEPuyC7O51ByuI/iorbGeS7BXQa4EOt7Qu1j/0yyniClG8 N1XugPjnoH1M/zfM/OumgI7CSTo7ZulweQSGlM8E= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474785920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4fa7b6b35242 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin@bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 08:56:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66462D0CC0 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:56:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8619D2D07E3 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 06:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 12:56:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.88] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 12:56:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 12:56:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 116619.11101.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36730 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2012 12:56:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336395400; bh=y0hfkE71wwfwl2UtTO1b7I39BoIHfSR3kWMBscZMjvo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K/S+1c2yluWqt7Z/qGo8Db77+DNvFQGJtZHYNnncdljUQze8SgvupH4/ybyrU0nN35cdOi5FksgigzDntRltFxyJhEbboRHTf4Edfr+5spA34YB8fRVZQIHy0qwgj9yWrFxUAwkPOqE+5tYDM3p19/yDJm8X2MX6jz0aTLKZ0Mo= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1GRBJFH9WmCFceVwktxkU1vARtyUzNf5OJuDuuL3oDnW2BSv3tN8mCy6uRV7A0P+ZoEodocQiwb8Mn8SfuwMk/o/oDPjL2K1+OstJm8Z8isauhA6IJO/2PM7drDygTyKQn8n4VipSy+vTggAAw5cGSw3r6Q64wDEXNn7Rl6Kjqo=; X-YMail-OSG: YKloHIEVM1neAC1nEWyS_StkNFNDULX.H08nOx1DrfhzdgD Pf65UmDAXQ2nWPj3ODbGKLEoFv_k.Cyt504U5hzIhxemuPqZTUxOLwOhrxZH CeCTzblUsh0bC_hNrSng09ZlaGEXPpVLnliONbpMy1hlyz5FqTi1Hp4GaXWS Y.c_Sq_W.HmqevwqcHy7VMSm60p4Ax8EDyYfaxdeNV8bR68cNLabXndzJfqz dZRG68wIqY3Hrox0fhKNBFqYpefBzOoJPf7k1K47tTb9aC8_N3LZvko3rAAU 4PPGmwQJq13ZY2e3UDtNDzIQyfYEJnC0bCtbSTEopd4xsaUURw855zSiUY6c pB.k1ydToiHKmlAsF4RDuLfIonlZi4vs0WtlgKHQk1IsWVeqNpaChhyqcSgn WoMpq5MBGe2OCzHxHZ6uVm2YXwiV3iI2JxJOs0U3kL2xj Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 05:56:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336395400.31375.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 05:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Jay De Pol Subject: [Fot] another GT6 nomination X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey girls and boys... I meet Jay DePol from Stevensville Maryland at the Mitty.. he too would like to take it up a notch and try his hand a preparing a GT6 to race... even though I had bits and pieces of ... something on display,,,, he was not discouraged... my kind of guy.... TherApY needed.... Jay DePol kkjjk@aol.com is this a good idea or should we go ahead and put a bomb in the engine bay to get Jay through the initiation process? Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 08:57:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC812D0CF7 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:57:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 290E82D092A for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:01:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.92] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:01:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:01:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485530.37832.bm@omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38810 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2012 13:01:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336395706; bh=zgVsIasflRmSyX4+eFlXkpBGsUeeXjAJ8tAEK4HFuyo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fxOH/6mapV95xqm3kezia2Cizors8au7uAFzv31i7I3XrS6jhHoEsh09ATx8diRee1djjOIHG1wr05xmTuYIeB+nsvPyk0qq1Mj0s1lYkg4ar67hhJK7sNDnHJIsVUayyMAejo6xe1N8w19QQMnb0Rr/5D9WWfb/+YCUia/6520= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HkMjozqzdR9TQKhZiUeHxmMeqbDx6ydFHX+j7sUNmFIBFxRt/wjFnfW4LMZTsBrqU5uQXg3WHMJGrPuD132dFGJezJo7+S8Zk/0090P4mPN0WySPzivxBExMyKVDShocyoleLbQ6MJ+c4mHmzheK4Z06LTNesUkUDd+eqFehkLs=; X-YMail-OSG: j.H9Ls4VM1mxo8R1SR9JnlMz2qm8X0nnXRVI0DG_oYQI63W ViloeZ2JdrxCLDUHHD.swXQ7nHSaHn7DyfNBBfH7vJcHETz5Pvj4sThN8JRn gnyrh2dFi6.ruC12RFtKM.ihRxMIqtzQb4a27E.7F6vSF2R0sO5l1gw0MRg6 I_shiWfICSTIveZ5_aQeN3.k_iiMOAMDquTZPlzAnxywi1eqtJ5gI4LY1nWv pfuGu19CuVc4ojUPX0F3CN2gWbSvlihxz..H4L626CteGujVMS7_AcE4JwHd dQL.B8hZQvnt97E4LLwBCIPw.UzNomm13B2y6hRDEVYRtR_CzVoPTDMH72MY Bma62N8TWZqV48OCtlDHd0K_Mna2rSs5JSM_SDO3EBtE9p3S4uvVscOeUN3d Yz_fO5F87bmXSgvZ_gzunOeWUQaSsLx5opoN2b25sI_uUNitg7Fp4E40OgrG TDqBu8duBISac.Z1jN8h7Y8RvnER576GY74P3hCmiMMy8g3bYfs6N Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 06:01:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395706.34049.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Joe Alexander In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2nd! love D production Triumphs to chase! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin@bellsouth.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 7:54:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin@bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 08:57:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C421D2D0DDC for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:57:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2CA2D0C2F for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:02:13 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:02:13 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:02:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 13:02:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 816938.26853.bm@omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99062 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2012 13:02:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1336395733; bh=aF3kUKYdCUHLgjY5bjhGNAIVnbIFNRv3QARGsAkPb7w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q78TqRobHLF4D/KTbVfmoO7D2hXGOCZRCKtpEMaUXVJmqoogg9lXcR9cxekEgsReW0OnxtjfyTlCK68wGwlB75+wfF19+xAc+p0KG4lJGVY8FuDs/8PshWO8ZB2v9/0vLO+0R2Y1UcadN27d9C01WRX1SKiNNnV4qOe5Bc+sORw= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JFFlqULdxS/lk+CjtO7oUvtMfF3xOQYDL8tyVI97HLcq9frd6u5kfdtES5faOds6ol7A6PJaR593cjcrXzJuXSB/oAopFXzyXHZN2tlfNPVrJAl0XqgpKgwstJmokRK09ymcQZZsxslX4jpXl4tQ2qCLxoJ9HiKGlqFwHByUfbk=; X-YMail-OSG: mLv3t10VM1lYYk7Cpr0b9E9jRjDypmdFHdvVoqz6I_1zBqO Rbwk3wxiuuygdL1T9U6QE0BwUFagJY3mIbS2R2vPFuzVRdZf6HNbh8uFNMXP HbEReSfH6T9zpuLOb6KCRx3YDAtOgr0xnmfsssRIhHpFAYHYCpNojYLho3yR 6akZEg3NpSf_4n3r5ohn3ew4qGm1hEdyNnDF1GMDb1rSq.WtPzm9Uox01Yc5 ZvyqmlhlltpLOhxSkUqqJpuSBFVUEyPigHnqe_YJ3KafXbYDXOorXVXNgGP1 9X6CzItABfedTIlGz.rO3yBUHG3QZiKqwkSIPkE_kTnFIZIobp7IeIXhrbXq 4mj4jU2uxy.vA.zT6wjYOBDS1ug9O1UVTaiWKYpViQ8v8VOcBAeQuyLRMQSA bLaGs_i_ZQFaBO4IgQ2KbtS7Tk55S7YX98BI63gCqC_z1Tv5t9u6HZYj6wjX yajtJFrkHPwovlicV4lxPj0M3nGrP4kZVU0BylaQInJ96slC_ppteEoO5xvY dm1cGt6UjZwx3ycPqqNoMHpn9r1q.cePiMs3AS7Is1u20rDA3fgcokbcC6X. GunpE6kxKGMs- Received: from [63.87.188.202] by web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 06:02:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395733.97189.YahooMailNeo@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: tom strange To: Joe Alexander , "wgaplin@bellsouth.net" In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom strange List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net second!!! I dont know why Warren isnt already on the list .... sounds like a great addition ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin@bellsouth.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin@bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 08:57:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A3F2D0D86 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:57:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E6B2D0C46 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q47D4WgE028717; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:04:33 -0400 Received: from core-dgd002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.197]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1583FE00008B; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> To: n197tr4@cs.com, wgaplin@bellsouth.net In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 98.77.51.23 by webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 May 2012 09:04:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: fubog1 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFA6913C9E130-12A4-B55@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [98.77.51.23] Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336395873; bh=/+qWGCLafuOvWnG2gYvIWsf82xf2j+yNegFFFBPaFhU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L/8+LId21wc17wrcajTK5WgfcpnLWZ7SjiJ18c/+jl3l9pKXEbd7UEKUrLQw3T35b prpSzu8apo94jMTmoYWAG1rVcsCRLGGYXXu31a9jZ7ngEdw/8A6UiCFkaUiCdwmpv6 0mXM0ai2mxhu7BhJVqvdn0EBTOnEfXUOz1n4o7b4= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:511077888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4fa7c86041b6 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Heck I thought Warren was already on the list, second for sure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin Cc: fot Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 8:54 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin@bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 08:59:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03E92D0CAF for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:59:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64F42D0A0D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q47DJXE9022131; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:19:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Joe Alexander In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net, wgaplin@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net SECOND. Welcome! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 09:00:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356D42D0D3B for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:00:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217482D0C43 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:24:10 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: blbowen.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q47DObfg024976; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:24:42 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Mike Munson'" , , "'Bobby Whitehead'" References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local><1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0ryvznBJ2b/mhLS5aRMR0UPenrqgAibUvg In-Reply-To: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=r1DLTJ6I4WNtNSDbWOfumzxcbMy5NL/NTCl1I6dcIeE= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=SnCHOygmMBImB5giyvwA:9 a=NJoNmPB2Mgj7EGxScJwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=tDGoG_lyTpbrtFWO:21 a=SfezgFeH7lSenl45:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4FA7CD1B.0060, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good thought.....any idea what the secret hand shake should be? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:48 PM To: yellow04@tr4racer.com; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 09:00:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71012D0D83 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:00:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9223C2D0C4D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W4 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 7 May 2012 06:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.62.204.114] From: marty sukey To: Joe Alexander , Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:30:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net>, <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2012 13:30:12.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[87A65680:01CD2C55] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second, anybody with a blown engine cant be all bad. Marty > To: wgaplin@bellsouth.net > From: n197tr4@cs.com > Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin > > FOT, > > I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to > introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. > wgaplin@bellsouth.net > > What say ye? Another TR4. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Aplin > To: n197tr4 > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am > Subject: FOT > > > > Joe, > It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew > the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I > was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the > track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was > going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car > now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I > have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the > 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think > that is when it was resurrected. > > As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard > back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot > of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the > other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on > the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. > > We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel > crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, > FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR > Savannah in October. > > My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was > kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know > anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed > poster, that was cool too. > > Thanks again > > Warren Aplin > 2795 se ranch acres circle > Jupiter, Florida 33478 > 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 > wgaplin@bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 09:00:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFFB2D0E56 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:00:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F332D0C4D; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:35:21 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: kndavis.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q47DZqZm006769; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:35:56 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Bill Babcock'" , "'Kas Kastner'" References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0rNyGRAQEW0SfTQrWW2Tyu3R/0pQBHv1YA In-Reply-To: <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=dKKdPrnsAAAA:8 a=I9hILcocDHO5et3i-M0A:9 a=I7JaR_A9Q2BhngzCfZIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=EYE8wTkq5dQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=jJEJZSdMZHEA:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FA7CFBC.010E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net, 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty@gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 09:01:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FB22D081B for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:01:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D582D0983 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:38:31 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: jlhuber.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q47Dcu9n013250; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:39:01 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'fot'" Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:38:56 -0400 Message-ID: <78900E5CD1F642A2AD3F843C6C32187E@gdhs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0rIgqUNug637wFREmSbhUuf5inkgBNH+mg X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=r1DLTJ6I4WNtNSDbWOfumzxcbMy5NL/NTCl1I6dcIeE= c=1 sm=1 a=BdJcjPtdLIcA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=1uvGq-6HAAAA:8 a=Waoss10TAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=pOfvU1qiAAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=g8EB0Y9AAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=L3ua_nzTAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=LkjEPXbpAAAA:8 a=863KR1xaAAAA:8 a=1HHSv6McAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=qzBdzT-EDm8wJQJjl90A:9 a=tvyetj8yrRXfUaMw2SQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=El4Bp_fXvQcA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=32h5954Ij2EA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=uj2KX7FdOZ0A:10 a=l3UYIw_eip4A:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=T7dl6hF01GMA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=KUe5-xK6SMEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=2gl0_zGMqS4A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=lsp59UU2NBAA:10 a=hPk-fjohDlUA:10 a=uRF4hAkRkEkA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=TJ16ebL1aZyPNB2R:21 a=vyZ3BNrcR5q1FpaR:21 a=o2W6RoDHPU2OOf9lzVcA:9 a=6H6SG-sr8yw5QhAE8hAA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=0bwPlpDAAAAA:8 a=RqOAJGx8AAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=lu8z_RHl3eJHk0fP-VYA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=gI5GpD5L7-Ts4pUb:18 a=eznBjNqXdTeYix2BjxgA:9 a=77n0MnqDCTe-ppok:18 a=5OGtNHvVzsNrZRV09dkA:9 a=94z2DpTMQD-K9WRp:18 a=fDQWWO5rPt_-NEjfEA0A:9 a=dAQ5N9RKLJ-LvrM7:18 a=5lnbuFDC0ZIckqRGEkgA:9 a=WMJ6en88X2V2FvsM:18 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FA7D079.00AC, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Subject: [Fot] FW: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If there is anyone among us interested in going faster, this, in my humble opinion, is one of the fastest 7's on the east coast. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _____ From: cea127@aol.com [mailto:cea127@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:49 PM To: jhhasty@gdhs.com; peter@peterkrause.net Subject: Fwd: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow -----Original Message----- From: Robert Colaizzi To: Cone Caeser ; Heller Geoff ; leechapmanracing ; Cook Rick ; Nevoral Barb ; Alex Quattlebaum ; AMQJR ; Bok Jim ; MacEachern Brian ; Donato Jim ; Elliott Brian ; Ford Manley.L ; Foss Charlie ; Hayes Charlie ; Luken Bill ; Schardt Dave ; Woehrle Jack ; Schardt Jim Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 2:54 pm Subject: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow I am floating the pics of the Lotus to test the market. It hasn't finished lower than 5th in all the time I've owned it and has finished up front about half the time. It has no time on it since complete pre season prep by Jim Steck, including tear down and inspect engine, transmission, drive shaft, with parts replacement as necessary. The car has been almost completely re skinned and the upholstery updated. Some track spares. Fully adjustable front suspension. New belts. New rotors (not installed yet). Three sets of alloy wheels with sticker rains. If a driver can't put this car up front, it won't be the car's fault. $41,000. Bob Bob Colaizzi ColaizziDesign LLC www.colaizzidesign.com rcolaizzi@colaizzidesign.com c+937.477.5530 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0030.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0029.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0020.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0022.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0024.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0026.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0027.JPG] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 09:01:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4BF2D0EEC for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:01:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCFA2D099D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q47DfKMe025833 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:41:20 -0400 Received: from core-mtb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.197]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3C674E000087; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Message-ID: <32bad.6dbe8da6.3cd92b00@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) To: Catpusher@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Originating-IP: [205.232.231.3] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336398080; bh=ZyyBJNWChWF5qi89vF1pzjqRGntIGXZYMmRgU6IUD1M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xR2bVzwTTGTwt45NFUqqiq2ifxaStQgn73EYq3m+nPFuFcLX2ChC51LJ175UEizBv w0uIl+fKKdrX5VXxNHUd8v1AxX4kg7szo7ntRBL9MFlYSrlKslErsrQFnu8rrJCR7Y LyuVsXBlALEzntBbVXJyz3BesZlPzZrVKG8FVYjo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:485279616:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4fa7d1003884 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 05/05/2012 6:17:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Catpusher@aol.com writes: > We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went > > to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. > Hi Hardy... 7200! WOW! Our mechanic, Kevin Potter, said that he used to index the plugs on our engines, but did not see any gains worth the effort. Kevin was big in Karting for a while, with his two daughters as drivers. He said that on the Briggs and Stratton Kart engines, there were significant gains to be made. Those engines were of a flathead design. It seemed the shrouding of the electrode was more important on that type of engine. He thinks, usually the main reason for indexing is with a domed, or popup piston, if they are not indexed properly, when the piston is at TDC, it will smash the plug because of clearance. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 10:03:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE4B2D0C7D for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 10:03:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE79A2D0BAB for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 14:15:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.31] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 14:15:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2012 14:15:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 455387.32867.bm@omp1031.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97927 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2012 14:15:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336400115; bh=Bt1qPfrdeqxsDTJXH+fOBddmOnu5o1ji+EXrOcOp5KQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cw2ZmmjjsvVHhjCM218msY6pr3q1khO+keOHJXDR3raeY1fmdyjEbM0l3lCOgoICTUvvOSVRpTdHvwUNMZJ0iPx45zISSX0hFH8n7nMr51le2L59vBDK/W6HI2y+bvPrA/mWFt6eMAYyQgbNJX34ptRAcmL3hHsk78+x0776ZmU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PMuOgKK3xG1YIWcHfKGpCwlxe8YTlvNSgVln8o1fAm3lHlxIzC2s0WOdAvc+r0AOD3cE2YnW71G7MhjXcJjKQEzlpqzbIPG2Pt5zf8C5tGJT1LoxktJ8EncXWIpWzbUtOVg68yP+oKWhAy0YsLMflJ0Ns2h9fIvs1Lhj3JTOrQE=; X-YMail-OSG: 9EQisgYVM1mJIWzFXVCXZgmdQ2JR_1JEgVBRBva_cxqrjXn B0ZtjiB2PBUtSIeeGB11fvJPq85xSZwnB03_yKUFoMignH9jAogf3RnoG8IN OVLLrxXCQ3WQLgyPxdhZZBcon5HjB.cOmFKsKt.vJ1uXExHjLkWdmSSxQmEu nE2j6JGf4CQvvY7TZaVO8zyslT2bwMkuLexBjZo3TQIpFp06UkW1vKOjptfa kbxjzQoeb1IfLVSe7479DO2ClKDRMacPAJfhZ4InYEG.l_l9Fl4y_.WVrVP_ PfsvH6aPLctlNu96UTH5i.5twaoaPNn3Z9WWM8pjlTu6aEUv4zx_vpZkJ3PF 6p59pStSZQAG_2_oiLZh2QUpk_Ey5Ukl0oeO3kmgFIo8TP65XSTgU.Y3LXS5 l.bz2wr.yXQe2jp8MSKyHizZo6mfYYQloet_vh5Op9s3eFjGHMDtWrSDKcNI sK6s8Oxp_G.ZMVCeN4Po9_ahSzAq5X6K.IDk- Received: from [198.208.251.70] by web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2012 07:15:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336400114.71364.YahooMailMobile@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Munson To: Joe Alexander , "wgaplin@bellsouth.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: fasttrs@yahoo.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds good to me! Second. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 11:14:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A752D0AF4 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:14:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5432C0D1B for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 731p1j0030cZkys563354b; Mon, 07 May 2012 15:03:05 +0000 Received: from Desktop ([76.100.209.245]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 73341j00Y5JDEd03W334Pm; Mon, 07 May 2012 15:03:05 +0000 From: "Craig" To: "'Scott Janzen'" , "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> In-Reply-To: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: <005001cd2c62$85e7cab0$91b76010$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0rHa9gHL5rUQKITa28oj6FSor+3gBRMvJw Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Your there to race, not get run over by the big boys Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:45 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 11:15:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90042D0CF8 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:15:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0962D0C2F; Mon, 7 May 2012 09:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120507153243.RVHT26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net>; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:43 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml213 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id 73Yj1j0014h0NJL023Yj34; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:32:43 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FA7EB1B.002F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oNsJgJ5cAGpTaXJztO+k5aVuruDCBvmbzOAslSMJ7bY= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=Bu_sDgP82_QA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=jmHmCYPpKhziNm+vp6M93g==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=dKKdPrnsAAAA:8 a=I9hILcocDHO5et3i-M0A:9 a=8Co1nhijCPhvZaAgF1QA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=EYE8wTkq5dQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=jJEJZSdMZHEA:10 a=jmHmCYPpKhziNm+vp6M93g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 144.160.226.53 by webmail.east.cox.net; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: <20120507113243.YZJ6H.770478.imail@eastrmwml213> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:43 -0400 From: To: 'Kas Kastner' , john hasty , 'Bill Babcock' In-Reply-To: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: Normal Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net, 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I don't think there is much to be gained by indexing on our motors, however I have always felt it important to use copper washers to regulate the thread ingagement in the head. I think its important not to have any of the bottom threads of the plug appearing in the combustion chambers, those sharp edges can act like a glow plug, a good cause of pre ignition.thx ---- john hasty wrote: Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty@gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 13:32:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773DC2D0980 for ; 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Mon, 07 May 2012 10:51:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Mehl List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 13:37:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820392D06F9 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F334D2D0B43 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 12:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3N008NGZPFQ8B0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 07 May 2012 13:08:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:08:02 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] sighting X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards from my barn. Most impressive. The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, about 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. Great sight. Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 16:05:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247F82D09E5 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:05:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73752D0980 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q47Jgw7p023022; Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Mike Mehl In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In the "faceworld" parlance: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 16:10:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9677B2D0B33 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:10:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76D72D0893 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so1349670dad.41 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=za/YbaYlUmVm4QFZJaUp3aN/OnYQT+g+nN1MSl6HF3c=; b=CtD7/MJPJPx1nKLPGkrWPtc7usHaCBndnHAvibAw63hSsPZAdwuD+fFNmBSikJQw3L Ef4AoO8r9sXDJc0sNM1LWQ9U8Xx4i8OKtA9ae6wfxehXWlyzMNMutbDDB0ls087VBfyf E+dSuAIxUfZSzTwa8S+fQdWGVMm3aiew769TMhG1OxSZcpE7ACLgqM6B8W4S1HOIRveD koVs21/U20ORsZoccD2LP8/eShmmCsTu7WG4dRzK4tclWmCzpkNMJBXY9I1jkFHUSJcJ hUfP50Gf64wdpvdmkO/GlEaY4r+C+teSk72hosCL5rbsXsfL8QngPPvzjx8eGnPN2Xua LlQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.36.230 with SMTP id t6mr9142059igj.61.1336422884898; Mon, 07 May 2012 13:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.145 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:34:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: robert bownes To: william r tobin X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKklc1/aNqjIjncbpbBEmtgvI+RAgTeGPZeiRU+iYfH7d5QZYV1mf/jAq1+L1xbaXvvL+w X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] sighting X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pretty awesome sight. We have a nesting pair that hunt in the fields behind the house. Now if I could only get them to deliver car parts... On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM, william r tobin wrote: > Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards > from > my barn. Most impressive. > The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, > about > 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. > Great sight. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 21:17:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3635F2D0983 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 21:17:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1851E2D0980 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60272E032 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 19:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FA870F2.8080401@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 19:03:46 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Subject: Re: [Fot] sighting X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Neat. At the risk of upsetting folks with a non-racing story I saw an eagle once. Well, I've seen many eagles. The one that I remember was on the way to a climbing trip in the Tetons. I had driven most of the way from Salt Lake after a dead of night start. We got to Alpine, Wyoming just before dawn, I was tired, another guy took over driving. It might have been my old '67 Coronet wagon. Anyway, we start heading up Alpine Canyon along the Snake River. I was trying to get comfy in the back seat for a nap. Along the way I sat up to rearrange the sweaters and such I was using for a pillow and glanced out the window. It was a cool, foggy morning in the dim light of the breaking dawn. A *huge* Golden eagle swoops out of the mist, snags a fish from the river and disappears into the swirling gray. Beautiful! I'm still glad that I happened to look out the window at that very moment. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 7 23:57:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D062D0973 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:57:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.190]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 85A412D0820 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 22:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.20] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 04:11:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2012 04:11:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 526802.85056.bm@omp1020.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17446 invoked from network); 8 May 2012 04:11:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:User-Agent:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:To:Message-ID; b=Jf4isqXFODQrEboVGztePGabQR8Mfdjikg4PRTJHot7oDmu+KqH5pDU0/waTkLZv+6EibS34TGidXX8a4Cv91t+qMdR6ZCJykgph2XfGl+EUM2yOCOx/4AylS0li/T08UnVXd36D06PxSXcLvDh2uj+JV61u+HkjfVyORjHpgck= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336450269; bh=Yh/Ip16hNF4J8CqFkPvqFZheSNYJW4oF5LsMpIlbc/0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:User-Agent:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:To:Message-ID; b=WQYpoeOCWMkGTTOtT1dvM2LpjXQtJ9Tg5hzF3SoQ+u1h6Qc7GA5YaLc6GeeXsO/zKp/zFx3O7w8JvnyXbKk41Zz6qYdd4kUdC2dhnmRHbnopA2U4WDgUH03ogygE6zA1HxNyHaRLztYW7KdnMSNVrMt4Aq7/sxBHYvSP6/7lP0A= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: o77KmkkVM1mWldapYB.qcRJXGUVrMTK3635bWx._ekMaEGp DEMIlrxazqht5kdkiTyZc8MWY3SEtSwBZuGtpC56i3pNPleED_K0c9.2mmbE S4p0FUN1pVxxQstnJ0VDB_YUO0BeIj_Y9.IpkheOLKXeIpdXCMEXkSErmTTs Sbv79CGGQ1SXx63XqkPDBcjPgM5LM85KVhRzW2rOpKm003EZeNhcAo54up7G dI6xmMckVZo2HTlTANphoM9b.gRstG2ckEgzbwJeFmLNzyBQ2OGW3o9PklDv M2zjQsemvjxe9iU0oTWT4y3Haq5bu76ss_smbXmqWrx6v7ijk8RJZUPDfIGl dINWM7un7QyiYzLedEphUKDHyVpok8w9VYLgWaymO6_1.R0b4xbOw7n6Muy6 3k_PzEI5ifK0b5vmhcvlfflZfFrU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: LLGyt1uswBA4fBYrEMBGmV9gS7rLBA-- Received: from h-174-15-5-112.ip.alltel.net (mike.mehl@76.105.204.190 with plain) by smtp117-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 May 2012 21:11:09 -0700 PDT References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Email for Android In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Mehl Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 21:11:06 -0700 To: Triumph Friends of Message-ID: X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I missed Bob Scollard in his Spitfire. 6 Triumphs. Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Mike Mehl Sent: Mon May 07 10:51:27 PDT 2012 To: Triumph Friends of Subject: Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 09:00:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E602D0931 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:00:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68102D090B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 06:52:23 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sE2l12W8CEJ1iVcCo10W1oH4/BWgrq4Go2UOkh7kxQuZYiTVXP1afJL1+wJ9JCZO; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SRjuL-0002jv-Pw for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 08:52:49 -0400 Received: from 76.15.102.162 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:52:49 -0400 Message-ID: <6285092.1336481569828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:52:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jimdonick To: friendsoftriumph Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 2febf918656169571aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7990686474f63cdfdea567c6f5249f4cc0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimdonick List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3hoSik: Permission denied _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 10:29:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157C82D08DE for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:29:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577E92D08BE for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:49:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q48DoMmv025477 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:50:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang@mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 11:43:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83C02D08E8 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:43:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBB82D087B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q48F5nn1025635 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Link to Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 11:44:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549FD2D08C8 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:44:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A6F2D047B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q48FB2Vg025649 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:11:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang@mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 12:54:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1522D08DF for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:54:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5E12D08D2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 10:43:06 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C0g8gGJx+KILg7gdbGVzdeQZZBm0P+C+w6ub65md6P4MvLTu5xO8UpbYHjCmUoDn; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.33] (helo=elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SRnVc-0007SM-GE for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from 76.15.102.162 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:43:32 -0400 Message-ID: <16778062.1336495412499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jimdonick To: friendsoftriumph Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 2febf918656169571aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7936df2fa3684a99b7ed8f6160dfee599c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-3 parts car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimdonick List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3F2mg7: Permission denied _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 14:17:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C07B2D08D2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:17:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFAC2D08D8 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A81E1F30298; Tue, 08 May 2012 13:38:22 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0tSgXZbTZSDYhwToSVM8TK6YjOOQ== Content-language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 16:35:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B602D018B for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:35:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638A42D08E1 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:31:28 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: jlhuber.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q48KVvud023684; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:32:03 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Tim Murphy'" , References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:31:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0tSgXZbTZSDYhwToSVM8TK6YjOOQAD2VYQ In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=MpvPdGlfemYA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CtVvcqOCXXdKUFgARioA:9 a=Bsot8oEkoJLBbzdrv-YA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=ayHBEqskrR7wHYCN:21 a=REJQzSNqsRIJPkOs:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FA982C4.0026, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net British Frame & Engine has all that stuff, but we use Isky springs from some NASCAR type Ford motor. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:40 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 16:37:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EF52D08D1 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:37:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.158.161.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB4D2D08AE for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:12:07 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.99.24] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3Q005MN2X2OK30@nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 21:12:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-08_07:2012-05-08,2012-05-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205080264 From: Scott Janzen In-reply-to: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:12:37 -0400 Message-id: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> To: Tim Murphy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 17:53:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459E52D08EA for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 17:53:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5312D08BC for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A4AB6A600EC; Tue, 08 May 2012 16:48:27 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Kas Kastner'" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:50:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0tXLFkwjyr36iOTReIDv6iJFMbuwABpEcw Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph@fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph@fastbytes.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 19:11:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2B62D08A2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:11:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76462D04B4 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q48MkNps022613; Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from core-msb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.129]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2A270E000086; Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> To: sjanzen@me.com, timmurph@fastbytes.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com (64.12.232.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 08 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFB83871B35F5-BC0-110EF@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336517183; bh=FQF/GSGixDmrxJLXlCpxrVT0kBeJJSAcd4q78fKHnWg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=llr9pQXuq5MKTKYZu0+EUys9FW8UhCg1oPW+zdEHO6lSZfr2Wf19lw26nsDH0fa7N n9dI/iRRZGMLd8s/LcX8XteqiVNRIv80S1LBZrAxnRa1hpzYQalfs+cz/KEp+Csirl gm+CEdWc75SpF8AmBTg/0YXMVQAaZqxfQayk0Y6M= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482650240:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94fa9a23f15a7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, Pretty sure our assemblies are from BFE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Tim Murphy Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 8 20:30:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A55A2D08CC for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 20:30:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DED2D0890 for ; Tue, 8 May 2012 18:49:59 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i2Ak5wFdVt9cknytsXt4Kf2oYUMfyb25QLYKM61M/tIpb98wCoS/QhBiRSTKT5h+; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.47] (helo=elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SRv6n-0004nZ-2M for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 20:50:25 -0400 Received: from 76.15.102.162 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 8 May 2012 20:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <26925839.1336524624873.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:50:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: jimdonick To: fot@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 2febf918656169571aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c01709ebb777271e82f9091fbbc62780350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR-3 parts car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimdonick List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXX8pU4co: Permission denied _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 09:44:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034D12D05CA for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:44:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE6A2D0384 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 08:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q49E7WqW028867 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:07:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 11:42:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46682D05FC for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 11:42:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25D32D0331 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q49GKbc4029182 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 12:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6662D055A for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:40:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262692D0510 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q49GsvJB029258; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:54:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: john hasty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 9 May 2012, john hasty wrote: > Nice shots Robert, how does one go about printing an 8x10 of a shot? Excellent question! I really haven't fleshed that out, but if you see a picture or pictures that you like, I can either edit/crop and send you the full image electronically and you can have your local one-hour place do it, or I can get it processed and send it you for my cost (which I have not determined yet). But if you see something you like, click on the link "photo info" and make a note of the picture number, e.g. IMG_7174.jpg or whatever. That'll make it easier for me to fish it out of the thousands of pictures that I shot at the event. Seeing that there's only 40 or so FOTs that were racing, I'm thinking electronic distribution won't be too bad... physical picture distribution would be a different matter (read more complicated and $$$ involved). I'd rather not do physical distribution, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 12:42:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE1C2D07AE for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:42:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DAC2D04C5 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 11:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7qgT1j0071Y3wxoA2tQeed; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:24:38 +0000 Received: from sz0063.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.117]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7tQd1j00o2Xbfh08btQd28; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:24:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) From: vintage.racer@comcast.net To: Friends of Triumph Message-ID: <42350960.283263.1336584277821.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.188.175.115] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Trackside Support/Maintenance X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello: Anyone know of a race shop in the Northern Indiana area (specifically South Bend or close by) that could maintain and offer track side support for a TR4? Thanks. Gary _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 16:01:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DC82D07E3 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:01:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891082D0802 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 14:00:23 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1336593660; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=+cJeRzaUgaFwITwXGMYQFo3JGgk=; b=jTlATgvGRCJFdAoeftUY3XJbJKV7k/dklerWinbJQiIik8lw+C7UE587JpdW6Xtz qpd7pZcgNqG40OC5d2r6zKpcCQ/rWLAkFS7dmok4fFQhB4zKSh+j/IzFPjliqxn4; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Zvhv2qHG c=1 sm=0 a=NQrAsM8BEwAA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=drM25RCnl7ahME8CEsYA:9 a=Kune2R-okHubdw0-aygA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=noQjv9YW-iYA:10 a=KTDso90Uc2QA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [10.50.3.117] ([10.50.3.117:43153] helo=md23.embarq.synacor.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTP id C0/56-06513-CFCCAAF4; Wed, 09 May 2012 16:01:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: William T newman To: "Robert M. Lang" Message-ID: <426731843.2723065.1336593659848.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.50.1.94] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2328.RHEL5_64 (zclient/6.0.5_GA_2328.RHEL5_64) Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Link to Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Great pictures Bob. Thank you! Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 08 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Link to Pix Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 19:16:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FB02D05C2 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:16:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2F92D07C4 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:08 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: fot Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:06 -0700 Thread-Topic: Racing, etc. Thread-Index: Ac0uOmjcL026Fq/XSvWRrzWyF0ZaqQ== Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had been installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained by the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. Consequently, the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker (forward-most) seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the #3 did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of a good race weekend. The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We feel that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, Jerry Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. After driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car available for all events we wish to run. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 20:20:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DDB2D078C for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 20:20:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6692D07C2 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:51:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=cssZYiEi c=1 sm=0 a=xuSzmQoJ1jvkAIfTlZRNrg==:17 a=bADDkjKAeCQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=0XDfOmkRgSXXiQju_pkA:9 a=0p98lcOXpPADH8EEGakA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=noQjv9YW-iYA:10 a=KTDso90Uc2QA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gXI1-aE9id27w7oS:21 a=cFOG9hvKTgICyulc:21 a=xuSzmQoJ1jvkAIfTlZRNrg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.114.170.59 Received: from [70.114.170.59] ([70.114.170.59:51615] helo=BlakePC) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 20/7C-09134-F311BAF4; Thu, 10 May 2012 00:52:15 +0000 From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Robert M. Lang'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <002201cd2e47$28a7be50$79f73af0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0t+tHipOnfPwC3SQaU1gRQcvVupgATFAeA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nicely done. Thankyou. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20 Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4988 - Release Date: 05/09/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 21:15:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26ED2D07CC for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 21:15:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7497E2D02E4 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3S001589SFEGW0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 09 May 2012 20:36:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <47961A5C26A44FB88A6BE13E37922FA4@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 21:36:14 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] PittRace visit X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All, I took the TR6 to BeaveRun, now PittRace, today for a shakedown run. Everything worked fine. It was a 4PM to 8PM session. There were only a few cars there, so we could basically drive to our heart's content. There were two new McLaren stret cars there; very impressive. A Corvette, a 911, a Miata, a BMW, and myself. Lots of track time. PittRace is under new management. Part of the paddock has been paved, new garages being built, and the entrance road has been paved. Finally! I'm doing the Jefferson 500 next week at Summit Point. Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 21:15:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD9C2D0808 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 21:15:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E035D2D066B for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TER2 (unverified [50.131.196.125]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:53:36 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.196.125=OK;Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.196.125=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.196.125=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: "Edward Dunn" , "fot" References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:51:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Be sure to take a look at the cam, lifters and pushrods. If the rocker arms siezed on the shaft and then broke, the loads on the cam lifters and pushrods also went way up also. There may be more damage than there might at first appear to be. The valves and guides at the front of the engine may also have suffered. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. > After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had > been > installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained > by > the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. > Consequently, > the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker > (forward-most) > seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the > #3 > did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of > a > good race weekend. > > The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We > feel > that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be > resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. > > I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, > Jerry > Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. > After > driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I > decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. > I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car > available for all events we wish to run. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 21:16:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6A32C0956 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 21:16:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EA72D076E for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TER2 (unverified [50.131.196.125]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:59:46 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.196.125=OK;Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.196.125=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.196.125=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: "Tim Murphy" , "'Kas Kastner'" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:57:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A G-3 cam should have over 110 lbs pressure on the seat. With light valves and other gear, we use 105 on the seat with an F cam, which has more gentle action than a G-3. We use a rev limit of 6800 RPM. With the "F" cam and 105 on the seat, the valves will "float" at 7200 rpm. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift > + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. > Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph@fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, > suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' > know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph@fastbytes.com >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, >> in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 9 23:26:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2D72D06B2 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 23:26:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7432D06DA for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 21:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SSKBK-0005DP-EJ; Wed, 09 May 2012 22:36:46 -0500 Received: from 166.147.116.254 ([166.147.116.254]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user tony@tonydrews.com) by www.tonydrews.com with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 22:36:46 -0500 Message-ID: <31d317dba5e192b1e194de149d79a77c.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:36:46 -0500 From: tony@tonydrews.com To: "Tim Murphy" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ken Gillanders at BFE (British Frame and Engine) has good springs, titanium retainers, ARP rocker studs, etc. etc. Tell him Tony says hi and to take good care of himself. Tony Drews > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, > in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 06:58:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452332D0808 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:58:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002D72D064C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:48:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3T00INS264MDG0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:19:11 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Page 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine@pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 09:06:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8D2D0763 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:06:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF06E2D05EB for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4ADiaou032238; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:44:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: william r tobin In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net SECOND Now, you need to subliminally suggest that the track really needs to afford a perferential rate for track time to all Triumph drivers. ;-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10 May 2012, william r tobin wrote: > Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. > When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, > if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice > fellow. > I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another > Triumph owner. How about that. > Can I get a second? > Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 > jr.blaine@pittrace.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang@isis.mit.edu _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 11:04:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1802D04DD for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:04:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s18.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s18.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C106A2D070C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP224 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 May 2012 08:10:41 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [174.252.199.140] X-Originating-Email: [trmarty@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [10.245.103.124] ([174.252.199.140]) by BLU0-SMTP224.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 May 2012 08:10:40 -0700 From: "trmarty@hotmail.com" To: "william r tobin", fot@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:10:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2012 15:10:40.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FFBE4D0:01CD2EBF] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second. Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: william r tobin To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 11:19:11 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine@pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 11:05:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E672D06FD for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:05:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D293B2D0749 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so1951404bkc.14 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; bh=qtZ0vJO9aGk5IAvY7fKjXPFIUz/eCkrBGFqLiiy3To8=; b=A4+j7aCbCKneRlmRzKtXP1G5PxBpwt/rwPdQnNN9jIquHE7U/XmXAxdbeuzoS9o2bC s75CBOpHNBNtpCwUw+4QwHTEm0oF8RrqQvpOIH4e6Ah5uwtKlfJSUvN9qoNBNnHZoSc2 8/qJbzvo60CfFwet1qhmYc0k84/f3ZrghCgHao1rKs4v82cdv75MTCtKmqT/vOjFnD8Q GW9dloLRT/tTNKYwdHhG9/u0ewVXz0pDdAfZwcMzHTvn2hrXAGS+diwPIAvL+aatRbFt IGFE0fLOp9GiCHGh54EIGLkb2DOzJ69kWsA/lt3OAO450vNL1std6wrLIKrXCpTVhpr+ MldA== Received: by 10.204.154.138 with SMTP id o10mr2682879bkw.34.1336663031670; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-118-132.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.118.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18sm12797612bkh.8.2012.05.10.08.17.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 08:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:17:08 +0200 Message-ID: <003d01cd2ebf$fa4576a0$eed063e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0uvpRHJ4LG0f9UTC6G4XwIqTzrhAAAVMTQ Content-Language: de x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Cyo= AEPQ Adpi CGbc CdZl CpPx C21f DKpS D97z EjFA FYZd G/nq IwGs JED0 K4eB LUnT; 1; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {28B9B5D2-3596-43AF-BD6E-8CF4214E8C1F}; dAByADQAcgBhAGMAaQBuAGcAQABnAG8AbwBnAGwAZQBtAGEAaQBsAC4AYwBvAG0A; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:17:06 GMT;VABoAGUAIABtAGEAdAB0AGUAcgAgAG8AZgAgAHMAaQB6AGUA x-cr-puzzleid: {28B9B5D2-3596-43AF-BD6E-8CF4214E8C1F} Subject: [Fot] The matter of size X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 12:07:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522872D06D4 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:07:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D83292D06E8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.93] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 16:18:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 199686.17456.bm@omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 24106 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 16:18:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336666684; bh=KY26DCNJEgW01NwoSTQg0rRA8G29hv02qF3F7Qgds7k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cYeRI8ClQnN/GUpIM9JcbwUqRxWEGMaN21kpLPhJXTHmmOUhjvVVHzH9Ja+mR/tJFQdl9jAShd9jRkXqQA1DptKeR4I4IyfdqtgPGKZIIYJ5xgFcA5kC95fIOYvyUuMvNw0Ir98wOFB5cTwthezIgwsC9Bf58sFLdtFctOXPcUU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hv8UlWyZQ3g3iVbTLwfnQNwfoN1XoIg6AWGUS3nkB9fRa0FnxLLvv0YawHCq5r/753DVRX+EoY33YkQa/B4iffacMGATy4sw3WwtMVxX6H1ByMZhqnMnTznKV7xaS2IepzJfRFYkaHmR4U8ijhNSxTXAIGyMMYyLPzGecKyl6l0=; X-YMail-OSG: 1JdwpesVM1mx0.i681DrUbC77NBl35HjO2omS_S.1HkJ.DL TGwwzsQb1umVzjfn1wxMpFGIjOBDO.QUQhmKoRHkKleirtTHkj6lxJGSTyoY Sn.0wqTcSgnCdbtYu4F0yxW5i5.mH8A9EbYzq3rFVMWSkvevNm4xaaVezXMx _AjiPuyHDme7.FOi6UwD06zixoJ7nDJes3MT7WpS7fQTUdCSHJZ1jFJdROr6 K6OHO675_HHRPAJ.6k53Yba0BL5IXpiKfQ22fscE.pwD.1KzRmR9AMF_u45f IgWld17F.mksabTamaxWno7mPvkpE8jjoxMRaDiU1pYUWioZRAUx700VvAfU H5a1Zj_eu76UQ3FXqLU.D9isLb8DtTOf64rzzHgoNr6LvFP2kP4ttCubbLq_ B_2q_ux_U3Yz1TkwXXAuaGH1nV.MAVZAb6_T8NbPWv0Eta4lFFIHKmRcVADj 8JVd_tafu0QMNTUfrDtFvE2834g95X06XX7qooUAqG.51tJYY8rJdBWmjdP2 osjmGBaEruW5SLFrHdU93m8SZXSejGUiTMwGWqQ3afj20ROp9gbB5u0c- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:18:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: "Robert M. Lang" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 12:09:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A082D073F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:09:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C6E522D0509 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 16:27:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 16:27:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 16:27:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 12980.53797.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22156 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 16:27:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336667254; bh=ADZS135nXi0BGdjgcmZNJ3eIAXH7NIOZW7cLwXtjzyQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n2It3488flRGNCNpzsTG23/mzWSUcBmoPKdp6YpGsMppvKuMpFaOKpai5VCI8R1rp2gEHrCkSmI4yqB5SqxWMuPFprnt+Xn1Q0JYA3eHfM0BRdOL0HEQoLSuiiHJ58s0pHrFywY50CkAE4FJZ+3Kua9+w/Y6Btym5jsOczsSSIE= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OMaHL45V0bUKLN98LMe8T1Y5KBuJHVRCERTvqs0GW0dmz1dqMKLMiIfaLC/f4uE9JXoKqJjXZbFXLrLxQsbk0tu4++Aw3vFALA+1gMNVfbAquqMI7N1yL3Tvv5rdkZwNzcGgVg0LKOcCbVO0Zs6/WA3vSNgb6VLmY/mOUeRoMU4=; X-YMail-OSG: qzM.d9MVM1mJ8agApG6CPeJ8FXMyBMj5EaOmWqX9knliACo nyZc7GlUaQsMpc9dBLeFa1.GSV9PC07ImRX2efjrFa0BYzAvYdqNSquzg5mM _6svDYUNxS4TZgZ8a3qX44lKceYP0zSaf9qAZEnwPZpYWh5ifHf0Z6Jd.G4p 49aCqXjXHGOAgYTh1eYavcURiM4KZt4H.9qZa2XmDHb3YulMgDh_qDKJiFww Mw23uky.Xf_dVu_BJwIStSNXqw3YKe_3O.cAyEj4txM8mOHAvSuAyhyzdwJ3 H2IznKwgvWVmGlfH5gUH7Rm5NWUeMOdpb6QsxZJH9sQ3pfz83t_W7acKFMVd FLkvFm7DMR509t7Xd8FR5SSSFohj88Ps6BXQLUI7Q9iRmIplRrVCeSRGJEbl pstt3MD7N0mllu_z4ZN2sGdUnbqceA6eCZiY65So3MZN3PKqVJoHndex9YSV 9SkxvewBGLAaI2EQ7 Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:27:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: william r tobin In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine@pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 13:12:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71452D0677 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:12:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43812D0332 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4AHANC6032694; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:10:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Bobby Whitehead In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". >... love to have a copy > 8x10 to frame... I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you could choose which picture you like best - although with all those hits, I think we know which one to print. :-) > Bobby Whitehead regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 13:20:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351482D06D4 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:20:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp007.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp007.mac.com [17.158.161.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFDF2D05D8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:11:50 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.99.24] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp007.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3T002E7JWOZV20@nk11p00mm-asmtp007.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 10 May 2012 18:12:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-10_07:2012-05-10,2012-05-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205100194 From: Scott Janzen In-reply-to: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:12:23 -0400 Message-id: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Bobby Whitehead X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:30:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2CA2D06A1 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:30:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D982D05FF for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so2201658bkc.14 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=HMKwjKKznXkw6ZnB0R2tsM7xnH2ij1uclFwlA0swWiU=; b=gRhCYj8EZmeUxkd5+bBiNVxCibH6cso6yNIokid2kCMRZBbOqTvZfW4YjsCMM86xLj gA6mEP5EVM4aZA3fcEpWgyN+xhCZ1rxBU2nqxfSGFfDXY93RdKAyVdyp95o4uHF51kPw 11fWkSXEd/JRDZCsfoi/DqVNnObc0YszFo61lsmlp3UU8ZiCivXkeeKAWwrC2HZe5kdQ Eh5NPfpR+T1YV5i1cfUwNncKjXn3uD6+j9Bzwk97HIR10gSshwgJfGVqJiGO0Q/ndG32 +oZFzZdOFhAwOYtUPSLdy6YNbR3wxAkLozAywwhiUPiXD7DznpVKiAfoXJ51X09s39WK sbbQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.150.72 with SMTP id x8mr3446192bkv.33.1336673799297; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.197.202 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.206.197] In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnuhf2NvmIKqa+I7K2pPlOyc06ToDoVzFicOc/YKaHWPnRagSKWRWssdWMKQFL72Tas67aR X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > Hi, > > Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > Enjoy! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:33:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC562D073E for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:33:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EAA462D0619 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:55:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:55:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 18:55:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 451764.79629.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 48LbGPoVM1liO_vyQmxjQHQFmoh1gXFzIGtbwnI.JsF2XDY aDbzuijQfoNAOReGzYqdWInQkFBBSYCYH1Ai99aHAW6AMmfF2lMjiKuWQTsY JMTIXxof.ZO9OQ3E4Pmr7FrBuawXPHXU7kplry.K9Xg09kr.lDBqCmFj3OXZ vBRYkHj0GiGjagxqCM75N5FiAJoKza4Ry1QiYES5Pt2j3cnmLNqUAr320N5s EvjoBuhRW2Vz4R2tMERlyuQIb6SptUi2sDcSBPSSSvkH8O5uw3xJp100nr_3 OwZKo8D04gRwzsNuqEgvgPX9huRJYIGZEGiEtFUK0AoFiSMSlPwxrW0jY6uz aaHyPm..2p61hpkhniMJO_qtlquro0qdcM.3BIfDhYDtqy7xAfa.6Lu_paIy oMmPwF8Yr1DyFkn1iLACtYWHXvycGHVgv9AQUeLhYkrbAcFT6hb4eohisOcJ RgaSkEBgBeYnje0sNtTtvAVIUhJx9XdJWRPyjUhO0dVY.7RWhrJTtzntMYrg nTsVDzD9rY1LrNJFGTyE9zcx4v8Zpt4Mqw.9nsSnbn.wHKqIo02HWUKpIb7f vB7nR1scwGr0wN5J3woV0HrL_f2QdPLnt2lgZD7LN2l_k1l3aFk3F X-Yahoo-SMTP: fhSFPoKswBA1Qu0MYZzweGiC3N0dSAP.juSmk79kTA-- Received: from [192.168.1.69] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2012 11:55:48 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FAC0F31.9010109@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:45 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Murphy , FOT@autox.team.net References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If I remember right, 70 lbs is pretty close to the seat force recommended for a stock cam. Most racing cams use more. I recommend 95 lbs for my cams, but you will see others recommend much more. The more I look at this stuff the more I believe this is due to some of these cams not having or not using a ramp. The ramp is a low rate of lift (velocity) area where the lash is taken up and the impact occurs. I recently looked at a cam (not for a Triumph) from a big name manufacturer. With the recommended valve lash, the impact velocity was about half the maximum velocity and more than 5 times what it should have been. This is like hitting the valve with a hammer to open it and slamming it down on the seat when you close it. Under these circumstances the valve will bounce unless you have strong spring force. I have never looked at the G3 cam, so can't say anything about it, but I have observed this problem on other racing cams (Triumph and non-Triumph) and I believe it is the reason for such large spring forces even for our little engines with light valve trains. see http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html On 5/8/2012 4:50 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph@fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph@fastbytes.com >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:33:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C057C2D080F for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:33:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.pittrace.com (mail.pittrace.com [24.239.96.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABED2D0654 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SBSERVER.beaverun.local ([fe80::48ae:7270:f43d:49d4]) by SBSERVER.beaverun.local ([fe80::48ae:7270:f43d:49d4%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:56:48 -0400 From: John Blaine To: 'Bobby Whitehead' , william r tobin Thread-Topic: [Fot] Page 2 Thread-Index: AQHNLtgsv/3ZVTmYzUWlyKrzAyrIspbDXpGg Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:56:47 +0000 Message-ID: <56AE820BF36D714E811E7B2A1E6593D323BAF1B3@SBSERVER.beaverun.local> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-vipre-scanned: 003FA341002E7B003FA48E x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.26] MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gentlemen, I truly appreciate the opportunity to join with other Triumph friends. I currently have a 1958 TR3 (all original with 33,000 miles) and a 1969 TR6 that I bought "in boxes" to race. Hopefully one of them (or both) will be up and running soon. Thanks again, John Pittsburgh International Race Complex www.pittrace.com/ 201 Penndale Road Wampum, PA 16157 724-535-1000 Ext 604 724-740-1046 FAX -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:28 PM To: william r tobin Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine@pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jr.blaine@pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:34:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7E72D083E for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:34:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2412E2D0675 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 19:05:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 19:05:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 19:05:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 408402.62279.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97789 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 19:05:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336676741; bh=+r/bClk5d3zDbibTyA18nmOh7ob6n8guvChO16geHM4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wV5cRRnWiJtWt5WemvNVwht7xyIyhLNL6d28c8smCZ2++v5qXOFcpZhDatIPfll2XQSMvkLoUnvbM5CvDLZKnPRk6IWjIfZBuEeQRiuLidEaJtodbBSRU21ZM5QUVy5MTsbip8km5DYmbxUdG7yC5OljLG2dsY7mrMYTCduTlhU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OW6xStkQ4ZXHHkS+XM2l6W6R9Y07WE60xE8FLTml4L0wHCVORbJnyqImYu9Rm/GZnmLGFrhMAW0H3Zm9nklfcQ2wLPJwaRIxzCCyeRl7MMDrExL7HmsXO9jhVu604dNmrugJDkXdUoYURcmZ45UlzMR0d5UTxO89ML0jVvLrNn8=; X-YMail-OSG: WzKUdnQVM1nFm9ZSEyWjYFdR56.NnosGojEe0RQrLibfDgJ jo_51ZUHOiTDHTcIX61c58u6UzFlXvd8OTogVeiRfP5gypi5B2Dpp1tXbJR8 T9i.cdME2jAjVU6Wx.ikKW35qNudVj_RGdgPj3BqdxKsvnGS7FB8UFXvwX7C .XVy4JW.oVJ6bTXNgWXii1Tzq_1CMTY4kKUr2Q_llrZ_6VKPY5U.3wn2dDOH CPyjlu1O218Zh850_uoJpUNTbTOoAymlS46V_3.f46GKsvLzXLtNKz7Y6qol 6vINpXMco4.xV7uzZDw2TNS7AVH4i_tXmaWmrX9K0SLP2s4Djya.1sBktADm PPchlFdOW8MomLIDOjy0Edz_TNo1Rc3.V0aiTFXVYH81R7ivgvjVgU2WOLBZ p5.qwWZMyRVoKl2X6kJ7AFwJj3242fEx7ehDL58tFzLdQBxiRJqVUDlI_tVK 9Z.OZT_KtjtgyG5_OPLkKUcvtW3J9L5IvFR57xsDUg4eCwKPwoXFezpKq2nF jIgdqd2eywguhd8Iyyow- Received: from [68.165.86.214] by web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:05:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Message-ID: <1336676740.78093.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Scott Janzen In-Reply-To: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net been busy with work and logistics, new grandbaby, family, travel... I Love my GT6 so, it WILL rise from the ashes... Bobby.... thanks Scott! ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 14:34:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AA02D08FA for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:34:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 777BE2D04C9 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 19:08:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 19:08:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2012 19:08:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 173442.32531.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68103 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2012 19:08:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336676884; bh=RelGcUTpOu/4Pj6FKfPtx3ecNHNUwgyu00NLmQxB/10=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6HUvyF7RjsQ4QfSWwt7qXK3SFsNwdG6ZItC5wwtmjSywNZXDMdeOqawlzPNBmmYl8hH5nHVLAi+/PYo0PxgHY/KMQhvZ0aBWEyDHQVEaAdSXmS7BitfjzsTVGPv1PEFS3j29+0WCvNJ8lzf9HifwU0ilC0bn3Bv3RSyVqRM3fjo= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5hkKP+4UnK5kH6QXdalPFhvD+b3Q6KTnMVPhFqMTvJg2Ll0bC06aUeUs2udrjmM14Cog7eUjE2NHSaXLTTlDzR5s0ns6Xr1Y/CBJPCEWCuEAH0h5sXQfNyF+KKHVzjBrVeAM84fiB/q4R4mm1QKHgoD0prV028SdK5ow9XnVZrQ=; X-YMail-OSG: rmCRS0kVM1lRmBSVpfxqwADh.hnq_aFE.5oNTe.g.Dg6shH 8F3ghFdL.NbIJif3mhXaZIozuDvb62.Y_lktDjkkBX51F.vifb6LQWJaa1Qn 3lun1qJd4SXV05xR8aMVxOwJszwHTLY4iDUXXT9qbsl8mpZ73jdERlLHIAZX ACU04wj_DQP_BsDrRk_TCrlR2fgHUPnI1NkAQ.AqdV7KBJErNGoG9CbLqc5b f9lfo19B8CJtRB_6IXBrZ_40PaRM4VCcojMWlTRr9Bs8l0.O3.kaeuVK68zc 9aEKFaL3Ypl.BQzWZfoMh7Y31TzakAsE1S3kT2beoay9RUPLClMYyIyubvG9 _g39_gGCX9HiGysZvAl0KAPDshYcrPpblXMET4cROX5s3tdth.lBJ7tTQwXT nh6H9b8GRwAU9f1PtZj_FAcZa5cd1hwoHMClegUbpmTbubkGyQp_iID.1WQn iGSH6HcfRAZmdxfMWonOc9qC9VbK64ItskO7ub.Zi8gGLirVjPhkAzysMsEI kdvBeJit1M2orGMwJtC7F7PlcOxZKvXd.sVDb_iWaPwU0_KX_rfUk7Ls- Received: from [68.165.86.214] by web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:08:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... awesome... Bobby ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... >Bobby Whitehead > > > > >________________________________ >From: Robert M. Lang >To: fot@autox.team.net >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > >Hi, > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > >Enjoy! >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >Former NER Solo Chair | >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 15:45:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9BB2D06DB for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:45:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50EA2D0659; Thu, 10 May 2012 13:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spamtest4.bright.net (spamtest4.bright.net [209.143.0.182]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4AJkAgk030155; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:46:11 -0400 Received: from rg6.cniteam.com (rg6.cniteam.com [209.143.0.246]) by spamtest4.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4AJlUWZ026828; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:47:31 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg6.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id EDE08956; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:47:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:47:39 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT , TR list , TR8 CCCA Listing , spitfires@autox.team.net, nass@yahoogroups.com X-Spam-Score: -10.00 () [Hold at 6.00] 24(-10) X-CanIt-Geo: No geolocation information available for 209.143.0.246 X-CanItPRO-Stream: all (inherits from default) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 209.143.0.182 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 15:49:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995662D06DB for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:49:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0C22D06A3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4AK5Dfq000639 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:05:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Here are some headshots from the Mitty. http://tinyurl.com/72pzx3f There are def. some keepers in there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 17:07:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2132D05C8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:07:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DBB2D0626 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so960243eaa.14 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=M/fjX24zpw7/QKxtOp9boS536LrLgLSML8isrmnIDSg=; b=PNbSzXKi3XmyyW7D3YvVFcPqJ1VPiIGRsx+96tcSVZUrzrHlzzKZIHNyZ+fxdq2m57 gdKRB3YUFLlVZN6Aa1Is8/vAeNo8LQPQE5oOQqleBqj9kXifbRQYBP68Wkyj79rPEyWm TCsFtpnoXTonl/qU3LmdKBAXJFVlbb/F9JRnYpTgEWLUrw0rh/Ix5J/3zh+E8zPeNmxJ TF4UjpGaKdoNSu7NktBBp+ksEhpHtIH5uQ0tL7Q3rqqBqEHYA/2T8z1BWrpCndJAmyeW NSFTwYK5GMJRNFxDzg0k6+4wmJVeh8I7NHHTIlyuL3X1FZFBmDDUF/6VUikOM+WRBzOu LXbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.35.147 with SMTP id p19mr1753271ebd.69.1336684613245; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.178.200 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:16:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Deanes To: Bobby Whitehead X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on that modification...hope that you all saw that one. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... > awesome... > Bobby > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked > once) > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to > frame... > >Bobby Whitehead > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: Robert M. Lang > >To: fot@autox.team.net > >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > > >Enjoy! > >rml > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > >Former NER Solo Chair | > >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 19:39:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC6B2D0774 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:39:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A178D2D06CA for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 18:13:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [192.168.1.73] (adsl-74-235-26-187.clt.bellsouth.net [74.235.26.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4B0EIl3003228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 10 May 2012 20:14:21 -0400 References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:14:18 -0400 To: Robert Deanes X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FAC59DE.0024, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few > times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me > all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking > race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the > Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on > that modification...hope that you all saw that one. > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >> awesome... >> Bobby >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Jason Ostrowski >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >> >> >> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >> once) >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >> wrote: >> >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is >>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >> frame... >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Robert M. Lang >>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> rml >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 20:53:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E9E2D04FD for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:53:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5D22D065A; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4B1O5Bt014965; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 Received: from core-mbb003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mbb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.30.206]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 684B6E000086; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> To: tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net, triumphs@autox.team.net, tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu, spitfires@autox.team.net, nass@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: kkjjk@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36049-STANDARD Received: from 71.255.179.42 by webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.162) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEFD2BE3BCC06E-146C-1A6E9@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [71.255.179.42] Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336699445; bh=Qla+rKjC8c84f9pA/wsAIRaufxv1Qu4O4o3NgXhx3ns=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZaVWfPg1LoGGtH1kF2N7fwlxN5SO7xGtE/V2Kb19HePRX6RiPq5FKaqjM3BPjP7MP bbLzav7apV0hxtqKflw7fV8VcQSJehqImL8m48zSXsPQ+0Y98naQ/Vz/6Z1gWKTvHI j5AVtEp9Nh8uvLKO8lzJ6wABogm8vKEJotGyqgJk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491355360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494fac6a354bb8 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ted - I am in for two: One large and one XXL---- Thanks very much-- Jay De Pol, 804 Thompson Creek Road, Stevensville, MD. 21666. I can pay by check or CC. Please give me your phone number and which method of payment you prefer. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT ; TR list ; TR8 CCCA Listing ; spitfires ; nass Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 5:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 22:07:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268F32D06E8 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:07:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A6F2D0666 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8RUN1j00A1u4NiLACRjbKu; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:43:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.11.2] ([24.22.73.104]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Rja1j00H2F05dU8hRjaV9; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:43:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4FAC6EC4.9020103@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:43:32 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to be so slow in responding to this - a bit late in catching up on e-mail. I needed a new set of headers about 3 years back when I switched from an 1147 to a 1300. I had a set of Stahl headers, but they were very old and beat. My frame and bellhousing had already been notched to fit them. I called and talked with Jere Stahl. Bottom line was he told me to call around and look for a used set - didn't want to be bothered with making a new one for me. I also tried a set of Pace headers, but they are for a street car and hang too far below the frame to work on a race car. I ended up having a set of 4 into 1 headers custom made for me. My engine builder gave the specs to the fabricator and I set him up with a dummy engine/gearbox./frame to work with. It wasn't cheap, but they seem to work really well. I do have an extra header flange as I had them cut out two just in case. My car is HP legal, limited prep. On 5/3/2012 9:42 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to > ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y > and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these > style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very > good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get > more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust > system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free > range. > > I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for > top end. Any input is appreciated. > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 22:08:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6052D06FE for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:08:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE2F12D0651 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 02:44:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.248] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 02:44:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 02:44:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 817773.47682.bm@omp1061.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53101 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2012 02:44:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1336704291; bh=mGFBKVQ8ZrWcH1RNBZWeesfZpDxXKpM4SquSehhbnRc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DAAVY3W3hTUD2QhGR0fC6EMxSz455+3tNlGMabVFLsXEtt+jRijCh+0PlVmSUnXVfeOXPB0PDuQI5vD/H0ZI70vEqx9mi9I+vmQLnuB1TF0Zu6HL8wRnr9SGKjSSaOObkkqp/3hhca0JiC0gVyJAoAQUz6BgO1UfA5LIHakHj+4= s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ghUUrQIwRojYvYpxlRlGPewtfFgWFF/VWB1kY2hrc+hdMr3LIMF1h7fZU8ihyK1ma3I+M5BRId56CiVi18X7xtv1VlPhBrxcGTrgZOzrAtQ14BTBG4IKk0ifG/JnJ7iwti68/jv/3Ksmcy+wxO5NeAW+JwUP1MeWfizEiE9H02s=; X-YMail-OSG: yKgQZHwVM1mF21M77iW2vVapePDwyXc_KxlK12zWQJq0ph8 NL6BP_Wz7ffE_P8DBLv2wySKy9D2T6m2zR1.vsK9rlej1yPZ5Iypynpp5z86 y0H_Tg4jx2dylxv99q.M1h1IufFoJBgZwKEpyQlHF4ljdnM2ymaQKHov2lNO g3OjGyKZzSZ_erlodHcQiMyEOM_ZalKvJJMVqaHh6kVAi77BWqXPb4TSpcuS 9sJG0wtOxbYMOwJ1.0q8ag3W5QsEk8wcrGPqC.yvjXUXuu.VmKutDjrl9vmh 0wcDvEscaAHvRM1shxG_VP6s9MLI9Wbg2ADwqoU1Ge0TniQqgN1PKjbvGO2_ 3S0ilcHM734CnfHfu8Mflp.H82e5xZBY4F9Lt5_JP90VZGnwwk2SLCBUIH07 T97lRSkPjKBqn7tjZrU49mD9XgWAqXlxRKcX_E4IvUwdBeDZzWYkIX021_RO zCAGVT75ZmzlG0A3K04R36w.iCzUcO3MDlvqiTzLEh7oI0BH372omW6MZidf iMWFygtjJWfIxHNRyye.53iDui6bTrJN8IEMzXKCmvn._zg-- Received: from [173.17.248.20] by web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:44:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1336704291.38369.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Russell Westfall To: "Robert M. Lang" , "fot@autox.team.net" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: rwestfall@ymail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bmaynard@usinterner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 22:08:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858062D0816 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:08:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C0682D0685 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 02:48:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.8] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 02:48:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 02:48:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 861050.83936.bm@omp1008.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 34252 invoked from network); 11 May 2012 02:48:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=DFI6ngUYGE7hC/WQrnFPRQdWdnK9n22Lf810qsWkhmH5NyZY98D/TaiD3T7ywFfLxUDJUt0nNwou4Ldm1aJ1LS6rU1N8nnZhO81f+kPp0gJek6YtbwuDZMZSmf6a+pYXqrI/PBDXRGpArtTrMj1LApkoKPKBpp7i1V4MHSGzIFo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336704498; bh=oPdlTbGDgZaNWjgUUvDAPkwGNb6CveNeblpo9PnsdG0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=lV4GcqdJ/SzDh+1FV+zo3pBTg8pelsxPbO+t5XcLB/o/ip2FXAGpCEjP9ddx8Tz5Hs0BFVYduPE+TitxI7BWiyUNcJLufhNcph6Ob3ivpgEy9CGvElMP5zuUC3Kt92cSofEbM6Wt8eO9PGl5+EJIT3+ewvqRlsQJvdV0I9eznHU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Dx0XpoAVM1nvVW0oQi8ZrHcSD7am03zPpY1vE6pXnFQcz.K TO7LSywFW___CgWEf5zdOb1laqFQZpkrlC71ZDeGgg7Zoqtv35uK89Fq9CNn DfMxJMBxb84fELhDdaO8yhBFcVgE2vTykUzImiW7zHvQqHMo5j1OhptwsTVv 0bPcfoW.dlBQYMZTPcK21P58XNNmy143cU8IaSA8Fe_sM9aR7a4ek1N.RSqR uMQa2cNAveRpAxrOHDGA47YjjYJm3NazFNtoYIGxPOPJg3MN88aB1nqtrZVd IqT.HSLHRuruNqw92XAcStMzJZQaTVgxPS694Rjf3UFvzkQEKZBHKb06ZFeO snGVKlBqeeRtzn.2W0bgj6ubVMV0Q5S9P381_Ubxli.9t6Y_tp7JgQgm.0.T IWAsUjdl40f1pfcike0c37c5ALsMv5Vv5SFf82N68tAuq.nSt3zE0ssQ04ui 2tDxFKDaIUhcd.GeLE2xOBHi9Ky9JhYqWJo5veHO2TnJUchRz1YsGcG5uBCK kqcSNFeLdy_.yzvUYKLQ1lWo_vn2EKit7Jw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1kxT0ouswBA2B.0brzZQZA7vLKo- Received: from [192.168.1.109] (fasttrs@74.139.181.194 with xymcookie) by smtp123-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2012 02:48:18 +0000 UTC References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <029592AA-7A6F-4CB2-88A9-173F54BFDA0A@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mike Munson Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:16 -0500 To: John Hasty Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not all of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 7:14 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few >> times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me >> all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking >> race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the >> Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on >> that modification...hope that you all saw that one. >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >>> awesome... >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >>> From: Jason Ostrowski >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >>> once) >>> Jason Ostrowski >>> Friendly Ghost Racing >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >>> wrote: >>> >>> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >>> morning... is >>>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >>> frame... >>>> Bobby Whitehead >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Robert M. Lang >>>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> rml >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 10 23:18:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D942D074A for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 23:18:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCAD2D066B for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:07:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A29B2CC0222; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:08:11 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Tim Murphy'" , "'Kas Kastner'" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cd2f23$926c8a00$b7459e00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0tXLFkwjyr36iOTReIDv6iJFMbuwABpEcwAG/PM3A= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: DSN: Not supporting null originator (DSN) X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: DSN, IPNOTINMX, REVDNS, SPAMHEADERS [8] X-Note: This E-mail was sent from [No Reverse DNS] ([216.183.226.236]). Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded to my request for information on valve springs and pressures. I've ordered a set of springs and titanium retainers from British Frame and Engine. Generally the seat pressure recommended with my cam is around 105 to 120 lbs. I'll see what we get with the new springs and shim if necessary. I keep learning more as we go and this machinist/builder is willing to work with us. He does mostly Ford and Chevy V-8's for racing but fortunately is willing to work on our "Tractor" motors. With everything that he has found in the head and crank and rods, and with the new parts I hope we'll be a little bit quicker!! Now I just have to get all the parts and get it put together and on the track. Thanks again, the FOT is fantastic! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:50 PM To: 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd@live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph@fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph@fastbytes.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 00:34:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ADB2D065E for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:34:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236B2D06DF for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 22:14:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ae7jbGUt c=1 sm=0 a=RUWGuW3PBPBpRfS07iVXhA==:17 a=4UKjhiDmoJgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=UNHLIrUh_HkEaG0Yz14A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=5iEP3xfnJckSNiScBjEA:9 a=o1vcKfgPgcSxSiJhJuwA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=RUWGuW3PBPBpRfS07iVXhA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.85.135.172 Received: from [76.85.135.172] ([76.85.135.172:4907] helo=guinanhp) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F0/4C-11677-E429CAF4; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:15:10 +0000 From: "Joe Guinan" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0vLGCZDi4EZQGsS9uiGSiygJNRSw== Content-Language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is for a slide show. http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho w Joe Guinan Fremont, NE _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 08:51:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29FB2D064A for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:51:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C3AFC2D0768 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 07:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 13:18:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.86] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 13:18:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 13:18:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 507276.52629.bm@omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 98763 invoked from network); 11 May 2012 13:18:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1336742338; bh=3TPCtCYKdipBkZpZp3w8SsyXfAE67txEmICgdM+OcfI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=03dGxOxKv2BqhAvGqx9u6WhRCTwSTBvdxpPhCmt0nH+CLLSoypJmCIv6lhqiAnwjFez/2Sgmy7rBZhDlLt6KBJEUvdTpUTxNd/3px1ZRxC55i+D2M2aAJvp/R8U7lAAXaEDjCeraWVoc+R9GYK2bCTzV3RS0d60sVgKbhKRDtko= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xb5UziAVM1lV1ToHX0shycMdIuFAvyaAdyom9kI_9LJwnVe cbpR5in2Djoj4N6h9uvwkEKCj.sf0RjEPNSjiJZyQqjeJS9aEVvdrNCkmjbr 5G32WdZeo.lOaLB82vrdv4RwX2TGYglY85yRZAMWkTUANPXLP5HJBivJfG9R pSSIRFv5aGvAOPc8pa__ZT90gTPRkvwrQPeASL7N3GSJVGIUKljTLJLd3J4i EkA3eO1mym2jPc.J_wtc6xI_Mofo.EHDRVlufxOI8cPFrx8YkVmt8qhuChHV 7fCU2Rc3GoUi_Jq5AsvqdTEEdKTg1Jm1BuDCh1o2MeMoq3jXF_NFXGHJqFMJ .uixq4QJWkqIBsmUqJ23ere1N8SztTdJuE1rWLfaiwaA0H5Ju.AGLdo1xdL2 gMi3r_eF._o9GAXpEHyEWnoI.kyPAd7nP0b3xlbW8X97qfbk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 2lN4LL2swBDY9Ce0hqffjaDo68BvvIuGYvtE3oi4n.o- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@98.66.180.138 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2012 06:18:58 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'Greg Solow'" , "'Tim Murphy'" , "'Kas Kastner'" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0uW1U0M36ZI4vKStGgwkozkwQ24gBHNZvg Content-Language: en-us Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 08:52:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89342D07CB for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:52:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAAC2D0768 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 07:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8cxS1j0021ZMdJ4ABdULKa; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:28:20 +0000 Received: from [10.16.160.185] ([198.228.197.142]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8dU41j01934pWWW8cdU8Kz; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:28:18 +0000 From: Steven Groh X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Message-Id: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:27:54 -0400 To: VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com, fot Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Stuff for sale at event X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll have a Chase Cam lipstick camera with roll bar mount and remote dash switch for sale and also an i/o port video camera mount in box with safety strap for sale at the track - cheap, both in excellent condition. See Steve Groh, 393 Spitfire, Lola Cup 410-322-9047 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 12:09:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A037C2D081F for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:09:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 164272D067F for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 10:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 16:29:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 16:29:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 16:29:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 630378.96945.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wdr6nC0VM1kLvjXTUqLizEEbd0GbQLMvnik1Qq8rAKQuKN3 lBSAqFv.RA2R0HHxeMXe6GckGn4xgwEHmnCdc_kkAPt2Y63b8V6ezqHOIdoN f276kYYJUjQiqFPQ0O5WccsGe9GAIRfSdZV7R0FDF17GdRSqviRVzEIslvwJ PwKo5a6ZngUnh5t7sWFe4PGND1887vryWTEO.2KR_Jzy9Q.aI3mCXKVzK19y X.RmdT.aK6PL3VOW4pZObL6bH7ju9gr1HMEzRuCswIGsZ18IG526H.W9dqXN pkpG4d8.gkL6kCPjfM4J12A1nLSIBvFyYTWziQAvD3MKJaKV_HlghPZOYbKl bx9P0OaL5ZAX2MWONZINwbqyEia7k4emQNVJ5.hc4JM1RylroDWPjNOHtIUI Ktzevt1EZn3X0Z.d6.9.ipQHxL5fmdxhVoAzOwdMh7U9Ptv0KpV8goEQafbP SqekmurZFDxDOFENBoHxQgqIOTkFd9an7lUyZMjv0xlBqpYufQUxKFzc4E4T MKjoPeqQk0Gtu X-Yahoo-SMTP: fhSFPoKswBA1Qu0MYZzweGiC3N0dSAP.juSmk79kTA-- Received: from [192.168.1.69] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2012 09:29:05 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FAD3E4D.3090300@pobox.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:29:01 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I claim the reason for the number of views is the color. Yellow cars always get more press than others. When I was racing the TR3 (now John Hasty's), it was on the cover of Victory Lane twice and also appeared several times in other publications. Being somewhat unusual like a GT6 or TR3 probably doesn't hurt either. On 5/10/2012 12:10 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? > > I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". > >> ... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > > I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get > printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you > could choose which picture you like best - although with all those > hits, I think we know which one to print. > > :-) > > >> Bobby Whitehead > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 14:26:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CD82D07EB for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:26:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.161.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052CF2D078F for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:37:14 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.99.24] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M3V009LGFQT1N20@nk11p00mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:37:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-11_06:2012-05-11,2012-05-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205110193 From: Scott Janzen In-reply-to: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:37:41 -0400 Message-id: References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> To: fot X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to pit row. Let me know - thanks! Scott Janzen Triumph GT6 sjanzen@me.com 215-817-9315 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 14:28:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD30E2D085F for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:28:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430FB2D04C2 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Fri, 11 May 2012 11:47:11 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:47:09 -0700 Thread-Topic: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. Thread-Index: Ac0vpnhyEjpZIvRYSq+npywBRV83TA== Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 15:39:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8EA2D0826 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:39:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAC62D07B8 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.225.115.147] (249.sub-174-254-144.myvzw.com [174.254.144.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4BJMNAC009529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:39 -0400 From: John Hasty X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Message-Id: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 To: FoT Triumph Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=gcFZ+FPyYDRb62U50SUvIQ==:17 a=f6rAbDLnenoJ83VTePUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=gcFZ+FPyYDRb62U50SUvIQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FAD6700.00C3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] Parts X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 16:55:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD34E2D08C6 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:55:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FD52D0712 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so1355316ggm.14 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=WEo9bIvMlCRV6zCWDfAmA9KyAIgBhs+kR/KNM5Q74BY=; b=o8WyS4H75tGF69pe8K9JlpHe+3m+K2+QaS84fa2RxuCJjjXyPe2CtaNkkuMfl0oObg hlOq19rW26GuVhi3r2Kw/fGITqRfa+jnlWgB1fEuUUrA+uosZDKIogIXG5+7xoklnGTe BGvMnEDCRY5CQvbOLzoFDrCUAOMv05zOeLpj3sa+H2jx7kT+U5pl+MnaBKN3Qio3Z6lP pj2D9g5W1MihvvuzikDQgdMq9u6c/Noggg6xW+2B+uE7A3JJtrLdxqhV6ojyRH1LhPiD m6jyzZDUpHPZvR8Ki8uuFfdXZn7jUpYfZ5DKukzKjR1sX9aZyvtLZXwfKaI81Bqaecsg 46Dw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.77.138 with SMTP id s10mr2475396igw.48.1336770704165; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.209.85 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:11:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: robert bownes To: Edward Dunn X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlEL3J2lWeAMLfcQtLqVE6zC99IWg4WGn93YCDA6xb2j3kWiEWeYFzkvQv//YIlJfF8aQkR X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 16:56:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA042D0622 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:56:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D4F7D2D07E2 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 21:18:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 21:18:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2012 21:18:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 541672.92373.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 40510 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2012 21:18:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1336771134; bh=TI2d729xNFE2bB9giNDyNuY0aXheN1BqZ/UwSi3QMVg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cvBRYJbrWH58yKf8yX09S0zVS/zhRlGyt1fEOWNE6c2cxaT+s9Ado02zjgtvi6uKCZK/c6XvIqKuJrGHOqiQRfWdEmvgowotRZKL+8QJ+3C91jnzgxFM5nZdP4y8yXHa84K4x6sbkCjlp6q92MD2TcHHc3mXoPU4tP8KOr29Vzg= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uJNb4Saa3YtAj65istny6TFQm96IouNNCCZqu02KcVq+JoR2x8Wr4JrLb4gujwkxDQaZ5nenV0/wL1QSwXzBqD3YP18nUZyfBNJgmUNA1FzxAiiSDDRbJom7vziDLYYVSxJocsd96FunO2SdpTNbAczLkPuWKIziidrnRS9ZuWo=; X-YMail-OSG: Lghsw20VM1lX1eL2URYsxFyoo1Ln6CzW.uUivXzt4HoEIWC NmZNA_hiYkjBJvExPdtYRtiBUlZG1QUT4HJZxkvW4_JRn42hUA5A.9btQfe8 qXrS7IeF9TTvJuqbfLlmb0TZ_MqC2gBjOuzNlKf8tE5NxFyPN5.DwRLpbU_b JWSAMBLTishznx9hPXXcg9HSdM6Ldl8lwFCcoLmM9VPWW2za.dPTnPPT.wVM pzIgDafdCqJidpaK3s6lPsu7vg3ZSTFa1SbeNLvNL1eORuD_hc_g9fSPff.0 1hM._wv2P56rEKlF6_9mFmV6ZRuFD2pAYkEvOFacAByj5KK3sX_WaN6kcX85 kznR1FekgEQDfEfiMrb09lVBfa9ShpUF_5jcihoYa4bjl3roC6EYk5xz0Gc7 6U7WlzRBF2CV_ExpxCCpOFf7_wYTIn9DelK61l5nNP_5V Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:18:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, reliable, engine for my GT6? I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 17:55:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7BF2D089C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:55:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s4.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s4.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A52D086B for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W65 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 May 2012 14:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.158.48.235] From: Charles WATSON To: , Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:50:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> References: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2012 21:50:39.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AECDF50:01CD2FC0] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Parts X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John - Since shipping will be huge, try this guy in Columbia. His name is Bill and he has a HUGE graveyard of Triumphs and other European makes. It's disoriented but his inventory eclipses Don Trammell's, who I visited today. Didn't see a TR3 hood at Don's but wasn't looking for one. He could probably find one though. Bill (803) 754-5363/920-5363 or e-mail us at AOTT@mindspring.com (one of the phone numbers is wrong, not sure which one though) Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Parts > > Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 17:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3E52D096C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:59:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4E22D0622 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3V0067RRQYCH60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:57:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "william r tobin" To: "Scott Janzen" , "fot" References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:56:51 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cc: VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, I'm planning on being there Wed. evening. If memory serves, I got your spot last year, beside Jim with the Pinto and Kris with the BMW, after you left. I'll see if I cam save some room. There's supposed to be a fairly big crowd there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "fot" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space > to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not > arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to > block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with > room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to > pit row. > > Let me know - thanks! > > Scott Janzen > Triumph GT6 > > sjanzen@me.com > 215-817-9315 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 18:55:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54702D08E5 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:55:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8692D0884 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4BN9r1e005212; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6FA36E000081; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 (EDT) References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> To: bownes@seiri.com, edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com (205.188.255.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFDE24EF0A694-9FC-20C90@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336777793; bh=3w6T2G14LE0f6oU23fuEqAepkEGjj9/0mky8KpvTemA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ewgp7QM7WDZ8f8/Y7hsaiWB0RdO8l9esCThaCelj1WgaBc7ZTvD/vF1KGHAEkWvmR oZJABy36xpNft3vM/T3rZFX/+GSSezdLXxHfGFM9EcaJ5ADMzeDu8D8d4V3tbhI2NT qb3wpue+pdPdpdwtV7v5M5t0IW5W/eLsMMy6bYX0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433551680:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94fad9c41307d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Of COURSE! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 18:56:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D90F2D062F for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:56:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABED2D089C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 17:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:18:35 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: robert bownes Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:18:33 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Racing, etc. Thread-Index: Ac0vuqvv6PslJBVaQmaFnkSp1uMKtAAD+4GA Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D82@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, absolutely! It wants to race, let it run... Ed From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes@seiri.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:12 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 19:57:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E762D0922 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:57:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC692D0892 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP132 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 May 2012 17:39:40 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [166.250.1.96] X-Originating-Email: [horizonracing@msn.com] Message-ID: Received: from [10.181.95.154] ([166.250.1.96]) by BLU0-SMTP132.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 11 May 2012 17:39:39 -0700 From: "horizonracing@msn.com" To: "FoT Triumph", "Bobby Whitehead" Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:39:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Motorola android mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2012 00:39:39.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6BBAF80:01CD2FD7] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXXpnGaLP: Permission denied [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of ic_list_big_grin.png] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 21:53:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7E32D096E for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4092D0623 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 20:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ST2Sd-0004Zb-1B; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:35 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:26 -0500 To: "Richard Taylor" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Tim Murphy'" ,"'Kas Kastner'" From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120512035358.4D7E32D096E@autox.team.net> Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. I run bronze guides. You just need enough valve to guide clearance that you don't stick a valve and they work fine. Don't use valve guide seals either. I had them put 0.003" clearance on my intakes and 0.0035" on my exhausts. I remember Greg having good recommendations in this regard too, so am interested in his view on the proper clearance. I was running 190 degrees at Road Atlanta and didn't stick a valve, so was pleased with that. The spring pressures should be specified by the cam builder. The Larry Young cams want about 100 lbs seat pressure. Ones with more dramatic opening events may want more, but that's largely to prevent valve float at higher RPM than you run. If you are having the seats ground, ask for a triple angle or radiused grind - I've been told that those can make a big difference in flow. My (newly prepared) head was milled 130 thou, I cleaned up the combustion chambers a little to remove any sharp edges primarily, they cut off the exhaust valve guide flush with the top of the port, and I had a triple angle grind done. NO porting whatsoever was done to it. I'm not sure I could tell the difference in power between that head and my old Comptune / Uncle Jack's porting services head. Tony Drews At 08:19 AM 5/11/2012, Richard Taylor wrote: >Greg, > >I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson >BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is >5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, >reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. > >May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their >clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? > >Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water >galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and >does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? > >Thanks, > >Richard Taylor >TR-4 #196 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 11 23:47:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608482D0915 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:47:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B047D2D0884 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 21:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A0237ED0252; Fri, 11 May 2012 22:59:31 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Richard Taylor'" , "'Greg Solow'" , "'Kas Kastner'" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000501cd2ff3$e8106780$b8313680$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0uW1U0M36ZI4vKStGgwkozkwQ24gBHNZvgAB6cLwA= Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Richard, In talking to 3 different machine shops it appears that the "standard" valve grind for car engines is the triple grind. As about the only engines that have valve jobs any more are race engines, I think this is the "standard" for race engines. Tractor and industrial engines I think still use the traditional single angle grind. The machinist I'm using now says he has 0.040, 0.060 and 0.080 width valve seat cutters. I think they all use carbide valve seat cutters now and they don't really "grind" the seats with stones anymore. Anyway, he says he uses the 0.060 on the exhausts for more heat transfer surface and 0.040 on the intake seats, for what it's worth. My head is also cracked between those two water ports and so was our first head. Must be pretty common. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor [mailto:tarch@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:19 AM To: 'Greg Solow'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov; fot@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 00:32:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79C12D087E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 00:32:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA032D05C8 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 22:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ST4KG-0008SA-QM for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:53:04 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:52:55 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guide clearances (TR-2, 3, 4) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120512063232.B79C12D087E@autox.team.net> Tim Murphy put together the results of a recent survey as to what valve guide clearance is needed for the Bronze valve guides in the TR-2, 3 and 4. I've added it to the Uncle Jack's Engine Building Tips page on my website. It's funny, every time I read that page I learn something. Anyway, Tim's latest contribution is in the "Head" section of this page: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 00:34:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED3B2D0968 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 00:34:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from email.consolidated.net (omr03.consolidated.net [72.22.9.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931762D0887 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from client-66-116-3-234.consolidated.net (EHLO _192.168.0.105_) ([66.116.3.234]) by omr03.consolidated.net (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id EKI34791 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Sat, 12 May 2012 02:15:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Home Consolidated Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:08:20 -0500 To: Joe Guinan X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=good-1, source=Fixed, refid=n/a, actions=TAG X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=omr03.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020209.4FADF045.0041, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020209.4FADF045.0041, ss=1, re=0.000, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: c3010196e1fd0280a999be4179e5dcda Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. Good memories. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On May 10, 2012, at 11:18 PM, "Joe Guinan" wrote: > Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't > believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob > Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is > for a slide show. > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho > w > > > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs@consolidated.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 01:19:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1282D0901 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 01:19:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04092D0822 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 00:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your89d26e0447 (unverified [50.131.247.104]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:15:03 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.247.104=OK;gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.247.104=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.247.104=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: "Richard Taylor" , "'Tim Murphy'" , "'Kas Kastner'" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:12:45 -0700 Organization: Engine Room MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1424 [2425/4991] Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 01:19:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5313C2D0967 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 01:19:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74F32D07B8 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 00:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your89d26e0447 (unverified [50.131.247.104]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 23:26:04 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.247.104=OK;gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.247.104=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.247.104=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: "Friends of Triumph" Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:23:47 -0700 Organization: Engine Room MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1424 [2425/4991] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Valve job & springs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I forgot to mention, We like to improve the oil flow to the valve gear, ie, the top of the cylinder head. The best way to do that is to grind a passage that connects the two oil holes that go into the rear cam bearing housing when the rear cam bearing not in the block. Then the bearing is pressed into place as normal. this allows additional oil to go directly from the drilled hole coming from the rear main bearing up into the drilling that goes up into the head. No external oil lines needed, and the amount of flow allowed is just right. This it even a good thing to do on a street engine. Another way to do this is to grind additional flats like the two original ones on the rear cam journal. These flats connect the spiral grove on the rear cam journal and allow more oil "metering" up to the head. Tony is also right about valve stem seals. Even with the added oil flow gained by the above modifications, you do not need or want valve stem seals on these engines. They will just cause trouble like sticking valves! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 05:48:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C2D2D093A for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 05:48:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D44B2D087F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 04:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so2554145wgb.20 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 03:25:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; bh=6kkZkEZQq2dKf89pCaQgRSM36vuCaRs/hovJDzT4YH4=; b=Ins7NGNxHQMeJitYo7KI5nAZI+pCRD5UI7wcw1jg9ZzTl7pFsoFW/KYi2fdVsenwqO g7GgkDKNXk6bVk1wBxo7G/xo2U8T7BPZQUY0XTUulHm3IyznPO/9yoWFAJ5T0P+Fxjz3 im/8FdadFjVQiFXA58WApTCi4+ShtTd88O9Aihdo5c2DHxO6mmvBKH+48Gc2Wzr8CfNW UZ8ogFXFAoxyGv9UhkQDdipqXBJq6PbxVsWH0TiQa+VABkQzOnfGZoQdp7hOZaZflqPW jgcVr2LPc6c09a4gtBiSI67+51CBhg9tFXcTl0T24a0Ei0c2pJCtpc2DzF40sXNDvXL9 JPLQ== Received: by 10.180.109.197 with SMTP id hu5mr3342469wib.8.1336818359017; Sat, 12 May 2012 03:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-158-244.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.158.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f19sm28129327wiw.11.2012.05.12.03.25.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 03:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:26:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000701cd3029$a27e9710$e77bc530$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0v8wArzvKDR0PIQ3uVt6/eX83NMQANjGtw Content-Language: de x-cr-hashedpuzzle: CHQF CdLn DsYg ET7j FXPs FcOO FgOj Fiif GZ0t GsYY G/4w HV6F Hfnn HlIu IW/P Jxe/; 1; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {6BDFDC66-F016-4405-8682-C3ABDB7F33CB}; dAByADQAcgBhAGMAaQBuAGcAQABnAG8AbwBnAGwAZQBtAGEAaQBsAC4AYwBvAG0A; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:25:59 GMT; TABvAHMAdAAgAHMAbwBtAGUAIABlAG4AZwBpAG4AZQAgAHAAbwB3AGUAcgAuAC4ALgAuAC4A x-cr-puzzleid: {6BDFDC66-F016-4405-8682-C3ABDB7F33CB} Subject: [Fot] Lost some engine power..... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Was not lucky with the new engine. Could be: - Exhaust with two mufflers - new header - maybe carburetor but dyno man said "it's not the carb, they are flowing great" http://youtu.be/oZcg4IBfYAk Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 09:36:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881AF2D098E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:36:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCC62D080E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so7316946obb.14 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PBRkwyJlPjfzZND9h720uLC5xEOjzUtWQSLSXycgPfA=; b=0d1L/VuWFKZc2+FJz0AfvYkgVPxgeunPwYNqvdq07cyE/mcEkBGWUPcUPwAypFBA37 ekRoWZCF15i2FcxuLUj5OgxtEVZmiAgWPBV0yleDikckGkdJtVGKEGY3sNpg97HlUg1F GPUb37cSZBhq1p9c+oGY2Qmi8V3DnhoEsuNHnrv6sRiRrmRvO39AnaL98O4N+zr+bdU2 rodglpyIsB7/Dr0hEV0y7YG8xSAzK09wVC2cSW8cIiyFPWTZXD6vJlX+L4l3QkPeux1D 6HaTiR/N+HwljDx1bODGkljYTNXv8HWhIdn6jF4NJAbBWtnoaCWaWeyEgO3Y0TQaLQDZ Ve5A== Received: by 10.182.187.42 with SMTP id fp10mr2580484obc.30.1336832474824; Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from howto.wired.com (174-19-153-6.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.153.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vp14sm10318971oeb.5.2012.05.12.07.21.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:11 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 09:37:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5562D09BD for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:37:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81462D0838 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4CEdQaM001768; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:26 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EEE23E000085; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> To: gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com, tarch@bellsouth.net, timmurph@fastbytes.com, kaskas@cox.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336833566; bh=kmAgzYc0wP2xW0SaGCu1KKKlJAU7m7t/OftLrby7QzA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qhz2t+7LFnFbwkvbdI6XDVYlKy2TFVSPBSRiUPqJVxnklnYe1readtUVho9znP+E7 qvGm5fhgB14/M8vGWobI864nRbhqXPJyF3JWktRK0f+7Cw5DuHAM0os4QUj7kSe1vO gJA1vt0ciRu1Y26KnRoVKKMSDbaODPwWlT2gsWrU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414546272:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74fae761d5b31 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. and if they have good material chemistry and properties. OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal specification? I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that anyone trusts? Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. But if we had control over the source....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' ; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:04:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5A92D09A4 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:04:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF492D0666 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:42:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.237.89.19] (146.sub-174-254-115.myvzw.com [174.254.115.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4CFhSdP025737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 12 May 2012 11:43:31 -0400 References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <862A979E-4C13-42BE-8751-723A05BA411E@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:43:22 -0400 To: Bobby Whitehead X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4FAE8524.009A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Having now had 2 CT's built, one rebuild & one a complete from scratch, head work etc. I am of the opinion the word "reasonable" when describing cost is like a rubber yard stick depending on whether you are the builder or the builder! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does > the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, > reliable, engine for my GT6? > > I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring > new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... > > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:06:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994762D09C9 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756C72D0648 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1STEm4-0008Rm-0g; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:28 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:23 -0500 To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" ,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120512170611.994762D09C9@autox.team.net> Nah, it's in the water jacket area only. If sealed it would block off water on one side with water on the other side, so allowing a little H2O through there doesn't make a difference. Tony At 09:21 AM 5/12/2012, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water >>holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:08:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3CC2D0A1C for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:08:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9922D0973 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4CGH8uQ006716; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 561B4E000089; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> To: tjwakeman@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336839428; bh=n+gkZQpHHKXpq6RENLB+x6ZLIUeggC7xCVAxigcgYOs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q84/UDgBOSpBRwiKD+45vHHn+fiAYuquI2Lm9yj/62X5omh1Boeudeiok+jWOaBGd PJivPFlEp+AWpSAkdNZHFOAJqw7iV0xXmPoY9yy8PkAgG0mALYYiK0A81Bq8GRgBBA XuVJ1LnUxQZHK4GJgEUaaVMSxE80i6qTMTUFDPJg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429794880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74fae8d043155 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TeriAnn is right. It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the gasket seal. The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, methinks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:53:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB32D09B7 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:53:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAC2D0977 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.31] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id fa5e0011f89bd0f5; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:49 -0600 Message-ID: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:59 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Alexander References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:53:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27B02D09DB for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:53:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13A1B2D098C for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 16:28:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.93] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 16:28:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 16:28:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781446.854.bm@omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80499 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 16:28:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1336840086; bh=Kx/I7XbH8/UhMTJnbvp4ftIudLP90mcg7HRxAlMqTzs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=kSmw1b1LgQriLdZwwCuJdeSHJH/F+LeTS3WMXoCmMYA8WtNR/rFrNZk8JgEmRjm/Z2jjgOEPKd8hKYC4z6BElki5tLzkEH9nMLia82q2v4csEQ1KNtIABi0vU2pjsn4pkGr6A0jXtpNj80xO61ywrKKALymBjnryYfwiXzA1bNk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cyRjLaYVM1nRv1vgw3b7pZPg0cxip0qKDFDB5ij0BB.AkMW kB5HPimM.EfOO9cnyg.p9SHwbNxXVc7ckUX_o_WOgEcJGvaSFYMI9HsDLO7g fJolgRn4ApK9xeIlvrVhV6fuYqv335RqmQB.x3u.WBRK1E0b1I4HBBD_r1b6 H6RNX9h8r3UUk7QWTGaHV0_bY8hDzAHKEkmkY_fNUy8d3daVnRyyWaMPR_aI t.f.U048F.VTZ9Vk8cJjtXVQafbGi_XWQOlK1cm7jO01XrPsky2UcSVQemXf bdQbYDVDDuM57AQTITD9nRNPVRy3SdTTt1mkWy0PCsOTqtMAO5Jfkhc0X9jq dAikW4wyzrRKGEJIVb2cf24PuOfNPSfzvpYm4Kre7xXA2oC3fPXzgIhzm.N2 bDcrJmtuXB6ZEFztZKBd05374w5in.II5rvTmH.d9MuiuEO0Rjuye4bzwprS eMAiBE0tFHiRCH.8LNrvQE311Qj3Aw9zqEbqXLFgPniCZcoHMn7d5lubD6EF ca6ZVNm7gHtiTXNlPm7jqAlOSbWSOB6bkrNa7knQnmqCnCem9HQlbmBegbbG qMGTqZJg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 2lN4LL2swBDY9Ce0hqffjaDo68BvvIuGYvtE3oi4n.o- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@98.66.180.138 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 09:28:06 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: <00fc01cd305c$37a0ec30$a6e2c490$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0wVSVQpBN0sgAvTT+9wDirLeIFYgABXxRQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The crack connects two water galleys (galleries, actually. I think it's like footers[Yankees] and footings[the rest of the world]). Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:21 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:54:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6AF2D0A28 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:54:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75B22D07F1 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4CGVjTg017579 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 481D3E000081 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336840305; bh=SBOk6PLC7IvHcZ+ibuEndJgtfgDQe2M5GzRLLSKa0Nw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tlB2JdFrr0v6YL3x10oVYTzETZ1g2xRSJsZ9ZW5+VKeBBA9aCOwfmZtowa+IVKkSQ X1cHb/wPqVMANp0JLKZuQd0DFOv3I5V4a9xUHqt7snio3DdedINgkD2mjXndsO2Sds VafMpAqNPvLgacKFrVygnwj0CsY6VJTQBnDIbd78= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:248793200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4fae90716591 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:54:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098DA2D0A2F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:54:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320F82D098D for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4CGgOIp024171; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AE336E000086; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> To: mdporter@dfn.com In-Reply-To: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFE75580BF8E6-27EC-37CE3@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336840944; bh=0DTrRn8+Xod8bU7lPcX9Rr4JjoxxRhilVuotTpnCsL0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yilDknPhUukF2VEOBCi+hAHylma9yrBefjboeKpdFQmBo93s7TtEQkAmZxZs7XrhQ TgGl40g/A1M3sHkg1x7fAT5AQdr0lS5NImsYTEqMVStdQmFZpzFIgYCrYbP5mQ1oeJ hbb+K8S/ZEHVnN2cCI7lq1iWIF24+Ot2VxUJ5YuA= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:392071360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c4fae92f02b71 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-NOW KNURLING!!!? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Excellent, Michael! Having been familiar with knurling from 50+ years ago, I quietly mentioned knurling recently and got a positive response. Intuitively, knurling valve guides makes sense to me. I inquired quietly because it had not been mentioned on the list that I was aware of, and didnt want to start a useless thread of controversy. However, there seems to be a consensus that any kind of a seal on our wet sleeve engines is not a good thing. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter To: Joe Alexander Cc: gregmogdoc ; tarch ; timmurph ; kaskas ; ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 11:54:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340C22D0A9F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:54:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151182D0991 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so7595150obb.14 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=xASC8aHORS9E/dHkonHFkISaT7OKKu9qBLyAlvdEyHo=; b=SXD0UYg2qZMh0VVEvpau35t8Oh/XLXBC4qTk6uyLhogty354S5lCulLZvcvjUCFel+ p+x30ErSNv92YYvtIVkTRy4I49ECphiLjI4WBtxlcE78AmN3Wa4LYjAFJguryLSdELt5 SKZdc2vP+t1Vtboc5WykUeAu9nLhzN1fOhoRNsmMozBjChIownHP43Y01nL9U5MPN2BM 7QeFe3+oAW6Sdh3jtfw2cdoBG8//n4J3z/zi8FKsxcSkAFZ0IcmmSbDSJaj0yfHliSlc DeAPvR93/C3+OqGgfHvl3GAgo81baoZjyajnmsT9LCrwuMfM8NmU6TXPhjgOH2IcARXF uvbg== Received: by 10.60.11.136 with SMTP id q8mr3238816oeb.58.1336841132796; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-55-198.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.55.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qb7sm13175342obc.13.2012.05.12.09.45.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FAE93A9.7030601@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:29 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Alexander References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/12/12 9:17 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > TeriAnn is right. > > It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive > website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Yep, still there, but old links will break because the site has moved to a new URL www.tr3a.info So if you want to know things like how a UK fuse corresponds to a US spec fuse, how to space the sticks to be correct for your hood, about the optional PYE radio & where the antenna goes, what tool rolls look like, how to tell which cylinder head is which, how a DCOE works, which hole is used for what in a post TS-60000 TR3A, or just read through some TR service bulletins, just drop on by the web site. > Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of > competition status. Unlike you guys, the older I got the more risk adverse I became. I never got hooked on adrenalin. But I am a data junkie and like to collect information about the TR2-4A's. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 12:39:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3A02D09D4 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:39:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CE52D0828 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1STGF8-0003R2-Rw for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:34 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:29 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120512183915.9D3A02D09D4@autox.team.net> Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 14:23:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15A02D0C31 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:23:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F022D0969 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4CIv4jX001673; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:04 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BF5ECE000082; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com In-Reply-To: <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFE882766EE12-27EC-3868A@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336849023; bh=djYKnoQe8IB9o9gXXjoDQIowDk1OtYxKbETAuNBnfkg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g0DuVQFKm25iB9ZwvBhf/zpWkOBA31MJxKiaz6EkSOEQtB7XSNg8UFIUIV2y+W/iG yrp+P74q+zgl1/f5YD8btLyh3i6xrKi30PEfyReZpWeMYukO0/VOaiFtgkq0JwlZnT ZI3zzv5VTSrjOj0F9FR1foJvylGRFqLNlrabO4L0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408813824:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4faeb27f76f6 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver@ca.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 15:23:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244612D09CA for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:23:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66F12D09A9 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AA84539020E; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:31:16 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:33:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001601cd3076$114967f0$33dc37d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0wbqQFm9U3oD5jQsCseQBR43UonQAB1I5g Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tony, good info! My machinist was concerned about that and now I have some more info for him. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:36 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 15:23:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57F42D09B9 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:23:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049612D04C7 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your89d26e0447 (unverified [50.131.247.104]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:38:13 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.247.104=OK;gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.247.104=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.247.104=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , , "Tony Drews" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com ><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net><4FAE71 D7.8050805@gmail.com> <20120512170617.984232D09B1@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:35:56 -0700 Organization: Engine Room MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1424 [2425/4993] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony & TeriAnn, You may be right about the crack. But on a race engine especially, I like to have the center part of the crack pinned to., in theory at least, lock the front and rear parts of the lower surface of the head together and help prevent any relative movement between them. At least it makes me feel better to do this. If I were starting to prepare a head from scratch, I would look for one with no cracks anywhere. The crack in the center of the bottom is invariably from severe overheating at sometime in the past. There is no telling exactly what other invisible damage there may be that could cause problems in the future. For a street engine this crack, if that is all the damage there is, should not cause any issues. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 15:25:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E454B2D09E3 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:25:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1192D0810 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [96.240.185.138]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M3X00ECSE488CB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Vipre-Scanned: 6627C7FD002E856627C94A-TDI Message-id: <4FAEC0BF.5000200@blacksburg.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:57:51 -0400 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Murphy References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> In-reply-to: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Cc: ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/8/2012 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > Tim, Isky has been one recommended source. If you go that way, be sure they have the matching retainers. I ordered a set of their springs to go with the 777 cam I was using, only to find that they wouldn't fit standard TR retainers and they didn't have their own retainers in stock. But if I wanted to order 5K of them, I'd have been good to go. Instead, I went to BFE and Ken fixed me up with his springs and retainers - great combination. Good man there. BTW, I'm using 110# seat pressure. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 16:10:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9F92D09CA for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 16:10:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE9A2D04E2 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your89d26e0447 (unverified [50.131.247.104]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:30:33 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.247.104=OK;gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.247.104=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.247.104=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: From: "Greg Solow" To: "Joe Alexander" , "Friends of Triumph" References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:28:15 -0700 Organization: Engine Room MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1424 [2425/4993] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net At one time in the long ago past we used Phosphor, Aluminum- bronze. We found it very hard, and also very abrasive. It had a tendency to wear through the chrome surface of the valve stems very quickly. For the past 15 years or so we have been using a Manganese- bronze alloy. We had our guides made by Precision Engine Parts to our specifications. The inlet valve guides are tapered where they hang out into the inlet port & the taper actually goes back up into the head so that the contact point between the head and the guide is a straight line around the guide, which it will not be if the guide has a straight od. (because it comes out of the hole in the head into the port through the wall of the port where it is at an angle to the guide. As the guide gets hot and tries to expand, it only touches the head on one side as it projects into the port. This will cause the guide to bend slightly to one side, away from the long side of the port. The exhaust guides we have made with an internal counter-bore on the bottom end. This is copied from the air cooled VW exhaust valve guides. A certain amount of head carbon will accumulate on the part of the exhaust valve stem that hangs out into the port when the exhaust valve is open. When the valve closes, this carbon is pulled back up into the space at the bottom of the guide and will eventually abrade the valve stem and the end of the guide at this point. The counter-bore in the bottom of the guide makes a space for this carbon to go where it will do no damage! Some of the best guides we have used were a process from Winona-Van Norman, an automotive machine shop machinery and tool supplies. They called it "Bronze-wall" It was a bronze alloy "heli-coil" like insert that was installed into a standard iron guide, then "broached" into place and honed to size. When the insert wore out, it could be removed and a new one installed without changing the centerline of the guide. They were very durable and held oil in between the coils of the bronze liner. Kas is familiar with this setup and used it at the Comp Dept., I believe. This only issue is finding someone with the equipment to do the installation. There are no machine shops in my area that can do it. i do not know if Winona Van Norman still supplies the tooling and parts. The higher the cam lift, the faster the lift rates, the more important the guide material, clearance and installation becomes. The same of true of having the correct rocker arm geometry. If this is not correct, there is to much side load placed on the top of the valve stem and the guides will not last, no matter what the material they are made of. There is a Web site called www.mid-lift.com that talks about geometry in great detail. We have found that with the top of the valves at the stock hight above the head, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered about .090" from its stock hight to maintain correct geometry when using a cam that gives around .465" actual lift at the valve. As the lift goes up higher, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered, (or lash caps put on the tips of the valve stems to raise the contact point between the rocker arm and the valve tip. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 16:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6219D2D096E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 16:11:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (mail.surfnetc.com [66.151.140.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB7A2D09B9 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from your89d26e0447 (unverified [50.131.247.104]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.916.0) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 12 May 2012 13:44:09 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 50.131.247.104=OK;gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 50.131.247.104=BlackListed X-Modus-Trusted: 50.131.247.104=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <13C94FC82C524B0EB1CD01C786C1F590@your89d26e0447> From: "Greg Solow" To: "Scott Starkweather" , "Friends of Triumph" References: <4FAE4BF7020000B60005CF50@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:41:52 -0700 Organization: Engine Room MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1424 [2425/4993] Subject: [Fot] oil supply to the valve gear of a TR-4 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Solow List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I you have a stripped block, and you look down the oil hole drilling from the rear main bearing that goes to the rear calm bearing bore, you will see that there is a manufactured in restriction in that hole right near the main bearing. I can't tell you the exact size, but I think it is around 1/8" or so. The rest of the drilling is larger than 1/4". So this is the hole size that meters oil to the cam bearing. I grind a groove with a die grinder that has a 1/4" ball burr on the end. I try to go about 1/8" deep and 3/16" or so wide into the iron of the block. If by chance you get to much oil flow to the head, you can meter this by installing a jet into the horizontal hole in the head that has a bolt plugging its open end on the rear of the cylinder head. You can remove the bolt, tap the hole and screw in a plug with any size hole in it you wish. So this can be done with the engine installed in the car and the head on, if the drilling and tapping is done before hand. I drilled one head to accept Holley main jets as metering plugs. I have never had to make use of this feature. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 16:58:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C27F2D09FC for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 16:58:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8D02D098F; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so1660735eek.14 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=SVHDy0vg72hRaq72EGRFZ1yWzJt8zZiei/L/x2+LZaw=; b=BHTcJpnL1cayCv2d5n+iIUnWSNBuaMMdeH02jdvNSY/dt7wx7nNgNHw5BNF7yqMtIx Z4yK2E0MTvz0IWwDP4bhi4aIfHT6ibqylXoLefv8ye5m/kN1CZ3k9L+HxS4CAofRi991 diz2wzzXdu/VTuuDLats2MJj5YCVwzXAUyEihsCLtXjskwq5bFjuKbWCgrRh3Sp0FLqq zJPxXVpnFO6CvTciwOCA+1Ccj2ugddQasi1xbVnfBkJE3QclnCLRbgf0E0Ur02YlIkBx xtiIUwCgYoqza3LN8Fj3cMGD7Zo6QZhmjsp62J9YMyq5uTKh75BzfNaVQaxdKDdmhmPE pxxA== Received: by 10.14.119.196 with SMTP id n44mr493791eeh.29.1336859095095; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm65203643eem.1.2012.05.12.14.44.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 May 2012 14:44:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Joe Alexander" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:45:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120512225825.0C27F2D09FC@autox.team.net> Hi Joe, Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 18:24:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3732D099E for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:24:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 66CD02D098F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:22:29 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:22:29 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:22:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2012 23:22:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 764157.72055.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2595 invoked from network); 12 May 2012 23:22:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336864949; bh=wGc5L6cCZZTN6ITBnYj+Q3fyrVt3mI0YgwZBuWXyWfI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YsjeyqFZWMiWcp+46Dny+eNYf2ak3Oxu85t+X2m1AHNg1vMKuvWZQpJIIHq9sM+VKY9Z9cIpkFzKe//YANNEo8CZk8rpENwtgwcqj7jjRBi0qoPMh28etDpVOhFKtv3S+PaMLyTodX9dDS6zqLDa0d2jRVm5thpKFxKjQ8n2AME= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QLpH3YAVM1lWq7DE6UXRb0IzZialS3N8O_mWYGFcbv0dC1T StTJJZilw9d3_wwxcm8RDRaGWbZQ9wdZZp21RPpSIHGt9ZaV_LbGoOz_KtLN 9IfaDl3oFf1PIQyNE3iuBtIHdb2psOpKMo6BND6_jqW.cO1.qZUxd8Ge_tn9 3hK.2FshGHb6xmglEwvqtOpN6v0rfkobOwgPFke.v4tgZMvbxbSnZMjaC6o4 G5P5CY9wUkE3fSkmibsZ5kHYNyWty0CgLe.axlenV8o8ODdzf2CEnovp4JTP OJyW5lmF6amkLCT76lqKZ1N2ZUiRduubnCm4UDUD3d06kL1cJRgW9_wa9fod KyaDnCJzO2V6Jb_g6DaUKcwH80hgtAYGaZoEkaBctYXQ0.Ztg2ccK.q1EMJZ ZFTE0v_4z21e.Keg4R8DXi6ISiNd_iB3_VUGKmcBJPQAtVGTMUKKLLtk- X-Yahoo-SMTP: EHs0oO2swBCLyRHcKZVMKRYD7RPV8Av4q_ii53JJ9GGVODHtnbY- Received: from rocky (rocky@70.129.226.196 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 16:22:29 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Triumph List" Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 18:25:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFFE2D09F5 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:25:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD302D0987 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=gt8HdToiaTwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Bp0ITDMSw8ELEdbp37QA:9 a=BdpsH-6x-27ljnXJhJMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=MG4Rcr4xqJIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:50000] helo=[192.168.1.7]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C4/AC-07741-E24FEAF4; Sat, 12 May 2012 23:37:19 +0000 References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> From: Bob Kramer In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> Message-Id: <0BAC2036-1FA0-436A-B2DE-9A583FDDC58D@austin.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:35:30 -0500 To: "tr4racing@googlemail.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wouldn't the first step be a leakdown test to see if air hisses out of the crankcase ? Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 19:53:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E852D09C4 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:53:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C733E2D0816 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 00:47:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.21] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 00:47:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 00:47:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 696267.22174.bm@omp1021.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1318 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 00:47:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Kyo5BHEq6KuDm2qdZ73YSkxCcJ9K3byfea7LkvMPms2n+PijPnnbnQoe3/DbktuqfSqP9dj1JzbiBYiO/WvSBSMGr/OrzTWobi6ZKmnRXq2emRr68Ew5vYGTrhlUYXE/Y3tYqRjZi7I4C8Ss8e4QKxZbIlaVkXGfx8taxAE6/YA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336870070; bh=AM1Dhc0/pqMMcNypPGyl2ulShUR10fjX/pEYiP4DE6U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=DbdbNqAcnNwmdQL1KnWK40kphBA23koyaQ1KcmLChHSk67xrXq6m0PW/XfMlKikMIjN5LUOAN8x5uN21fuzLWPH7FoEnLAP+0sNxxhsx72Q4b54qIHGHWRKmyCEHFGzZzmc4a/pvzcc6UwWLKV33bkIZMcezLz43GGAfSc3qHyY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 81NT7t4VM1magbx1BbidfhjDKnqVsi9y7BJrKS.RTrhjkh9 49.7ioc08fbDxVxtpcpqx0xLR4NN6xiwskEZ01LdVmPmiaZboWZMv31v.AaK RtekIpO7zD_OVrffONYIQmhsu0e90LEysNfdwwFiU7XD3ZOmB8UJlezvMxHx tyzK_UF6IhMBU_tAAZ748twwzxXr0XtVt.UU1OOLnK6Moj2gQl_s0cDJ.xZ. vNzBJFur80Va3w7u4uMInZ.ljj9ok23d5i7U47adV1fuGOmlxuevHNqDn8wi FWaqFXcbDvvPMqcYlirXMrdo6YPBvmrTLlKOrhHYjd0yFsvO_Kob7AyK7oa3 a89F9Se5eIXHlRM1KEWzYx3eKywBxeB9_ZG3YDd1eFgtfUbWyBKTIJLDk3sq sH1p9sKOsr2Y5HuliYi13wm3qJR15__lMNlCPKaOoMmYfEzOBI5aggjnwXn_ CjyAfsA1Pbfidedmic7ef.aApnpGYJlwN3VGYtWoP X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1kxT0ouswBA2B.0brzZQZA7vLKo- Received: from [192.168.1.109] (fasttrs@74.139.181.194 with xymcookie) by smtp123-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2012 00:47:50 +0000 UTC References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mike Munson Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:47:48 -0500 To: "tr4racing@googlemail.com" Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 20:41:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6FC2D09D3 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:41:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BA02D0994; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4D1AYLg002077; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 Received: from core-msc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.209]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B69D7E000085; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> To: fasttrs@yahoo.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.130) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336871434; bh=MkjEZ6+NeW6CQgJ2QL9AkPLHbXcMfJmNEm89U6sKZoE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AAItdukweksLLX4UCtup+l+CGTRKztW2YYjE/SSOzpW8Hw5Z6H3W13OXcOk5BlzdL 4TqPCUwfhzRWqGO1a/9J+pcYg2AtrMRbBf5EoxZ+D61GHqiOjzpb4X/yg/VDrM7zyz 5BSf6rnowfMvJN80NyXF3hVQqsKHaLz4MvI02YGI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:414310624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4faf0a0a241c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 20:44:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC562D09B5 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:44:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F9DA2D0996 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 01:49:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.24] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 01:49:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2012 01:49:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 283013.96903.bm@omp1024.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 59516 invoked from network); 13 May 2012 01:49:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=vC1NgDT6mmBb7gPe3P7ZL1hGcylJsDAo5GTKnZE97nqXt1R8OjIayO1MLl8aSJQSzw+O2h+v7aHoK1XVEAisT5E3pE1AOwM7M4ygYYq8q9xTDeRX5l+q19tWbXQoctpAEfuaHo1xw12LTvpx9OEqB7HyJCmYcMHnmnNB58bb8Vg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336873780; bh=3niUKKR7JfbEskKJUl8dm188VxhxXH4viivTHefXRq8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=vxV6LKqsMCUyZhnSLfOMXubXXWNRSVRqLg//DuJQaxY97x2tmn+v/BaBRyWU1haAvDsbep5Nt7fN54mnRWAHx+HS5J8nNH15J5VcgXIo6WMcEEQDdd6cebnzxln2h4r8udahdWomo18mDZdJlRghDcBrpHY56Pqw3F+0TEGukrw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: CSUwpjwVM1kUB7aYctWHxZ3TrQqv.InXg6ij85LPg6YiE_i TCteCUD01hWMZSAkLSnrYleb4MDNqTFxH9AFAXvE0JjKlTeT04hqezf5aH2d Ag3pZz6vkpbzhrY1GWBqgB7I9VPb8PqMMIMp66uOXEJrS.w3yaUp3_iIX__W IOmR.6ykSzLSxxMw1HUSoifDzF9n.oE_26cme04c8oMIbLzDTbfFi1N1ji.F B29bMbVXQAv6kcKVGNYUmv_oz6NfYmqhQwG3KphOYbOWzYAm0NT3JhnUBMPA fOKnr8JCrZxqEhwMoaV6jbb9sa6jqXjQwojVqJcZcrDFXJBqRpRrI2.Qbh4w xATQ7U4ogPVTMFyXnj7Kxqq3HlhIqCbM2QnVg6BB6oyqxRtKYJ2yH_EGaIt1 xFZ9oQV6jhVfNUtWEc_F2d2wOIlwdO7GZvY5W36HsfkrrWm52cqxwbVZj.ok zKuUjQyaejkxoJ2775O..ppMp3GU22cO3w5nrTQ0w X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1kxT0ouswBA2B.0brzZQZA7vLKo- Received: from [192.168.1.109] (fasttrs@74.139.181.194 with xymcookie) by smtp103-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2012 18:49:40 -0700 PDT References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mike Munson Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:49:37 -0500 To: Joe Alexander X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It sounds to me like compression gasses are pressurizing your crankcase. So there may be an issue like a crack or casting flaw with your head or a poor sealing head gasket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. > > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is > getting forced to the valve area. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > > To: > > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > > crankcase? > > > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4@cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 12 22:11:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0759C2D087C for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:11:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1B32D096F for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 21:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Ex91j00617UAYkA9F56j5; Sun, 13 May 2012 03:05:06 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.99]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9F561j00528HZcC8ZF56pX; Sun, 13 May 2012 03:05:06 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 03:05:06 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Rocky Entriken Message-ID: <1262980841.279382.1336878306241.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.170.200.248] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: ".Triumph List" Subject: Re: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Indeed sad news. 'been a fan since about '67, age 4. Hooked on cars ever since. My friends dad had 2 427 Cobras. His mom still has evidence of a scar on her calf from a hot sidepipe. Regrettably, he sold both and bought a new '69 427 Vette. R.I.P. Mr. Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Triumph List" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:23:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 17:59:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783A42D0B6C for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:59:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s36.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s36.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48D32D0B3B for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 17:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W38 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s36.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 13 May 2012 16:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:12:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2012 23:12:39.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[E43C0270:01CD315D] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Atlanta X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all the heros that supported the event for the 10th Kastner Cup. It was more than terrific. Great people and cars and racing. In the end, 31 drivers made it for the cup race and there was a high degree of racing and hopefully a lot of fun. The Triumph clubs all came in and supported the event and make Triumph the car of the day even yet again. Tim Studdard and the crew from Grassroots Motorsports along with the FOT, Joe Alexander and HSR made this one event that will be hard for anyone to top.Thanks to all for a great time. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:08:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6246A2D0BB9 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:08:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7152D0A85 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so5588451yen.14 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=AfDOn8eHp8QmO1u9zvp87BbTvQT5IR6CrY77+BtgrAY=; b=d6AglZ/nlnEBEjgs4FWy0jAEtpLOfpYLB3CPdlqll8MAhBrhWky1Tgr8yzYWQ3oe65 jd+LMPvUnmwDAM+KetSruDTp26anPkDMpvz+CEAKeBOhUjoLTHHjqMYj+C+rZus2OP7h kzlC/OtX0Lyp3BU63bB/eyBavDZvI6MkEoVJ/9CWB+uho3OME99+yOy9EHbDGYkjCV6M hBgKv/9zNQedA7614+cv6mHh32H0FOrFleQLFGUYG7UB6YABW49YkjIfDDW/CqN9ifMl FZayhOpL27PaNKXRy0lhqFNQB4kffD4bz72Gq1vpmFTvwbrzWQng/u2CgKPhtVwvgCby L+wQ== Received: by 10.236.75.227 with SMTP id z63mr3983936yhd.27.1336960817242; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.20 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:59:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:57 +1000 Message-ID: To: fot@autox.team.net X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkO34utSavlQGlYFeQ0hMw5f/2w8/ol274VqlyJonul3JvvmPYmG306pz02Q3sKArDJNp1F X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net this is what i had to say a few months back and see no reason to change my view................ ********************************************** in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use them such as with some specially coated titanium valves cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some of their engines not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal with them. there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i have never seen any documented or visual proof of this . IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set ***************************************************************************** there has been some mention in the posts over the last week of bronze guide liners. these are still very common with budget priced rebuilds , with the american K-line brand being very common, and especially good for some american V8's where the guides are not removable. whilst we use them occasionally, we use cast iron "sleeves" (called thin wall guides) where possible to repair these types of heads. if we have a metallurgist amongst us, then some real advice on bronze guide composition would be good. my challenge to all the readers of this subject is for someone to demonstrate some real world benefits in old engines, over an above a properly fitted & reamed cast iron guide . Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 21:09:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138A52D0BE5 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:09:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8ACA02D0A75 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 20:11:17 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netzero.net; s=alpha; t=1336961516; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=gUF2wToi1EnJuxMZ3ea3CO+A94N5FC/luqk6/EAK1e34i/4QoQkvaknVyDzAr7s03 mzHHpz2P2tNtFCTeUbmWfJE+R5JEIIABvAunJb4UzvNDDk8K1YjE0gscNfBqRk19ct rdjZg7iZXR0BppGadGrZDO8dFkwAEtSzI6ubRSrE= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABH5A4QUAWEUHCA for (sender ); Sun, 13 May 2012 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: sVFNjgUA9YT/ZAn8x7O5PS7lvUe846t/BVyr1D/SclUFAXszAv17Kg== Received: (from jaboruch@netzero.net) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R8N8UV9E; Sun, 13 May 2012 19:10:50 PDT Received: from [76.23.184.188] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:10:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.23.184.188] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Joe Boruch" Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:10:21 GMT To: n197tr4@cs.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20120513.221021.25884.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 3659 X-ContentStamp: 34:17:1275616978 775e93af87839f8b2a331a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|jaboruch@netzero.net Cc: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, you could have a head gasket leak from a cylinder to the lifter valley. Years ago I suspected this, so I started adding a fine copper wire to the head gasket around the lifter valley, with a heavier gauge wire around the cylinders. I would think that something would have shown up with the leak down or compression test, but maybe it is only showing up with the higher combustion pressures? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Alexander To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver@ca.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb069d2c4d8b14df7d9st05duc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 22:40:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6487D2D0BA9 for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 22:40:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3642D0B9F for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4E3ibps030007; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:44:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (adsl-71-159-229-191.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net [71.159.229.191]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 9BAB9E0000C7; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:44:36 -0400 (EDT) References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <3413392B-B453-4335-A8E8-92FCF2EFD1D8@aol.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: chasgee@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:44:35 -0700 To: Joe Alexander x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336967077; bh=QE7jykdrpLxZMMtGCDiws36JJ885KZNsmbCdkeL9r28=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=YSEyi5Xq6eHtkJi3KeAUeXPA1xYlnfX1xklumothlOMswNcME0+VntkR7F8eeG3kr yw2WyoZ/dTylRxo7VABIe0ZMPmbpgHXEqYk0JFl69+AE9kfJbyF5Y5LiZyHihIzKUq WqyNUIshl6EU9MtjEUjnki51ujyRRd/Iwl2Pv8sY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437579264:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29424fb07fa43992 X-AOL-IP: 71.159.229.191 Cc: "ryan.murphy@fdlco.wi.gov" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe, I don't remember the exact alloy we (Jerry Barker and I) use, I'll have to check through my records and report back. As others have said, they just have to have proper clearance, which is looser than cast iron versions, IIRC. We run very small diameter titanium valves which might be why we have no problems (less surface area). Chuck On May 12, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that > anyone trusts? > > Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. > But if we had control over the source....... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' > ; 'Kas Kastner' > Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > Richard, > I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is > quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to > obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We > use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to > .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should > be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go > into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be > able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. > We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine > compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We > generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened > valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to > use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely > blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats > prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the > engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as > the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically > effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that > other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like > yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The > hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and > manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees > duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a > lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the > TR-4 . > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 22:41:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4352D0BFF for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 22:41:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9CD2D0A7B for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 21:48:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=bzXBUe7WQj0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EFDWzLr5Zf9KibtFuz8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E2/71-07741-99080BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 03:48:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:48:41 -0700 Message-ID: <0a7601cd3184$746320b0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0xfuiArcC6fGWES8atyVy5deJuvAABR9+Q In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely > uses a bronze > guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only > used in some > of their engines FWIW (not much) I recall reading that GM used bronze alloy guides in their supercharged Corvair; due to unacceptable wear with cast-iron guides. But the same engine naturally aspirated used cast iron. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 13 23:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120592D0BBC for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:56:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2264B2D0B9F for ; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bradakis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F6E82E059; Sun, 13 May 2012 23:10:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120514051024.4F6E82E059@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net notes X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In case you are wondering: http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:42:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B935B2D0942 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:42:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E21472D0BF9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:41:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:41:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 18:41:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 589969.55194.bm@omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37626 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2012 18:41:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337020874; bh=3xwwRzHz8xMtKK/JOiHLTkis81LtstZbDeNOCj75OkM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z7kGIFn7P00wQw3l4FMI7xf8UqN/iu0hFAL8UYlgEDI4q9kBB1lvgmyvKw2J3ga+LwICc1Ryu796adwioReCFdUGzW71ziVEL4drk9ixAu1vgoiV1IIRAaSt/UQGR4n5qgYFw2OmjvupHdfyvSfvUVraDfFpdhBBvDHyp6MCgf8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EsIgIxywJPxuzv2kXs2QFYjQl4Oqfe23fQEgOTnpAb9US3eyZcPhJ+piAuIu38bqlErEeEpXLhK26YBRuu7EDkoX3wbwq/56yMQoVxsrfJbVJASyTQ4r8Zo9ClGlgv/UYgh9T5aK/z75BbMAZyjX4HH5Tf2+jsD9fpLbZNnDjpk=; X-YMail-OSG: 96KTHFcVM1nRlvFeWK_m9YHrdnL7.XVvdaZbwhXavT6LK.o fyBGlVwGxEo2U2z6SWtljo_C7BE6099nEmXMCiITdBpx641sc_bRz3JiLQNF 2y7i8A24_VFcYRd05Ih24Rzp9.P8zys.IrSMMmSe5rfmrWGyzmvKsxnBzv.F TLtrtWz6PPTCM2qSq1WGIbGzcfPLUgC_BPVarEvrrDYZSNPUiGz6C2mEk56l .2dhLUvcSfvyuIuoSZOQQqmPo3sj8P1I9IDLQDiLmafMFMJvgAJRd0LKPI5P rbI.66yox.nmWlEwhPJ.oGKSJ6gSKuZYn2AjuxqM0QgEazcychp.aByRwILq jjoSA6LnFh2t51PMHAIicNVbWx_8YPIsFj4Q2ay.wLM.KWg068D5F362hhfO AjcYYhKT9 Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:41:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph , Kas Kastner MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] gt6 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 piston is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in the cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the valves look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 14:44:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6526F2D0945 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:44:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wcnet.org (mailhub.wcnet.org [64.31.64.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A1E2D08FD for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 12:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from authmail.wcnet.org (authmail.wcnet.org [64.31.64.16]) by mail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6E42B002A for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SnookPC (rrcs-98-102-104-9.central.biz.rr.com [98.102.104.9]) by authmail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC6D42064E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Snook" To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00e001cd3202$f381b5e0$da8521a0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yAvLcZAS1IJa6Tl2EAqvIFfAbew== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, Looking for an original style (Jaeger domed glass) water temp gauge for my TR3A. Anyone know of one for sale (that works) or a source for rebuilding. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 15:44:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BAF2D0921 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:44:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E65B42D0944 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 20:00:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 20:00:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2012 20:00:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 633099.29434.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 90939 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2012 20:00:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337025640; bh=LynZQl80vDmwH4lucwIOYMgjGIngnN7SqSAgSU7N+zQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GI8aYc2PNARVC37lXEHKqj6W4dyfThYaLMvEqhcG39qSBkXC/ZaKKI6S0ECvfAcDsIcblz+YjvCk5M14rMR1MgxTQ6CXi+rYHzopy6f193cS7Gx5NXDYMMjjKFLrvEe6TM2jUoBDq+VozyBxH2v/IYltxks5ouyAWXaDSOsFNtw= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q2m6Rr+76XbAk8BnbKLFcAsGrgt7XbuxT5innZLDL3ZBgzz12WKgjsPxeMkf5kyqdJzrJLKoHDNV0O1WIfiLyqTlbCCvecOuANqR/Uc5U3Ssg+NTMMi+EfMoL+/eebyHs1LWPVymJUp/n3zUsAtfyiFcO0Tyos6YKwJV+WuXbfM=; X-YMail-OSG: sJ1oPEcVM1ku.0JFDC2QPzA7X751ykjmtbVF5IJ2NcJau3f ZDyQzMlK83bs4hXjOjK5SdDD1TyzohVYlNlp5Na9aZCf.ZMVRsQ4jLJOayJW tNtz64kODK7gi9IdzxF4d4cL1zhlq3sT5IPAVxI1wiUSCXYcN2sjjJaIaZf1 PGFVV4_akvU48ph0hlpwFJ8pyQGel1wl_mj5RvSGAaN3IUDSiEh.CYoIiL9C v98aSIE0KUw54I8TB6WOLmOFLloMPbSYLfPyHAE126IA6HKkHJXhV7l4f3ml lHKaU8vkpzPIyqfsO_FJ7Z0W6ngsjG5m9PvkQwPvcjbBp8qwoZdEVgzTC4IW P7wVkL2gcygiA96TgM7kfelxocU_BqSiMEVQXYnEvLWW9IUgZkMzQepUeCoJ C9cv3Sddu Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 13:00:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337025640.72090.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph , Kas Kastner MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] gt6... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net there's a hole in my engine, where the piston went.... I've been singing that along to an old Crowded House tune "Hole in the River" .... I THINK the head is okay.. the valves on #2 look mostly unscathed... I'll send some pictures tonight or tomorrow morning... I wanna a shower and go play guitar... even though I'm not a blues fan... I'll play at least one BB King tribute... blues.... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 16:47:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73752D0A11 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:47:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BC32D07E7 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so6861136yen.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=U9tJu9GVOwhMkJjRANANW3ahdb0GSF1aFyDKBimSK/U=; b=CS1tF/4TkQlWM13bRv5kgo/aehitZKsgjdpilp2kF3cI4sDcLPHuNvG3P4QqzCG1wk V35Ik7cfR2zB0442s3JOu7yF9VP+TitG7pyhrNLRgUy8c38MIZwzgQHBLranTHt9iRtt 0WEJ+VRl6tbb9eKkX3tlWkHNwzkP/US8EZ/ahGf+H5i8qW7cXk7TDbFQrDVARGkKvcmJ ZXdsRRwdxZJaGMT3Xrg/hYDM2pC7MCXYRjkw7nCUP7pokjW6SA35ShglCFzJG5d1/awS xmzRrEu+TfoqKSxwtC+lbhf5Me+Iih7zU3nxmJYtoqxmZzwyjWddAlMxDazklXcemsRx kQKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.156.229 with SMTP id wh5mr5261863igb.28.1337030568320; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.209.85 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 14:22:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: robert bownes To: Bobby Whitehead X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnxEMtEAJQLstSb7+R2/L5PMkDenbP0UuFTZ9X2e7PTiFBwBkwPZcoUna/5yV7Eypc1e9sm X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] gt6 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. At least for the block. Bob On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 > piston > is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in > the > cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the > valves > look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? > Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 17:55:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39922D0950 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:55:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7600D2D091B for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so3594642ggm.14 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=xfKXtnEvPtQ2vOWU058CP6FtugN+FZHd1/XaaQo3FVo=; b=N5lO6bG8J88YH4QR+jUAHOmvEM/3zqm29FaWvWjMytkPN/BVdvbqnP44I8gpHePX1P 6yU20x9fqm6YW/5ZA4BwlGR+YBXaTYjHlE9NKcg3Xi+nfjX8E4qQKUdEWywCdwL5oMQg 3EVD/JfuMgSsT5pSUnwn2+AaekclLfawig7Et2/ewwY+gomAaP8XTPLNYMiHy8TnVTFP vZPtS1CF+bJctF/Ln345QMyN0OYu+GcbQ9HHidjpZIdjm9QE5wXHaTPqI3/DjI/ukseH c3VnRM8v1/99ZIbbF5IQOak1cVdK/f6h6IoKI6RWFSk9+4Vr6pUQvBtk8QebLq93pnam rRaw== Received: by 10.236.170.130 with SMTP id p2mr9680153yhl.73.1337033647795; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.20 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:13:47 +1000 Message-ID: To: fot@autox.team.net X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnpuahKIN1EDjGOGOOWu7BAGaw+eUesAuWIcczYFxQMpyv9xRBCL2uE44GY77DltAADsuNN X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best heat transfer. Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 19:06:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE122D08BB for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 19:06:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298242D08AE for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4EMreCX003369 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 Received: from core-ded003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ded003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.54.9]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8C292E000089 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: robertten1@aol.com X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36073-STANDARD Received: from 108.49.184.54 by webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.19) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF003B89FF85EF-1D10-98055@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [108.49.184.54] Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337036020; bh=fwrO1SMrfWnoTpe697Dv+fdrkyIFv5Ms3u81OBCXhno=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GlfTEDvzkuIQYNYu1hDdVJQ8qjiWf9BKsUWgTwY+ofwhnwiGQqf1J1GUj4hCezCyo H1S8Pt346jeJdDs2uhpL5ByB71+q/q7HGevKtqn3qjirKjpukBnYq8HNiftx3spFUy nfk5E2JaU3qW0R/KJs8NM5f7QqNDytG5oqIwU/Ns= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:334742816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4fb18cf4036f X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 20:12:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E922D08EC for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:12:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0A82D08D3 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=r5PZfLvNjecA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=iHkhd-o77W7eEbu5Rj0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.127.147.4 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:33795] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4F/EE-07741-9FF91BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:14:50 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:14:49 -0700 Message-ID: <02c301cd322f$be42c130$3ac84390$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yLSNBFDyXodaOT22axNZaBuQNAAAAjvMg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). Or don't want the exhaust valves to stick open when the guides get good and hot, and expand inward (because they can't expand outward against the cast iron head). BTDT -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 20:13:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D21A2D092F for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:13:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2142D07EE for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.31] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 832c0017940dd86c; Mon, 14 May 2012 18:26:30 -0600 Message-ID: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:26:32 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Enquiries Road & Track References: In-Reply-To: Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be > able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best > heat transfer. > Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion is lower than that of the bronze. This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 22:42:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4B92D08E1 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:42:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434242D07DA for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 20:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4F2iF0X018188; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 Received: from core-dlb005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.209]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A5B6DE000081; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) References: To: enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chuck Gee X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36073-STANDARD Received: from 98.190.152.29 by webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.89) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF005BC08FBCF4-2C4-60623@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [98.190.152.29] Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337049855; bh=9giORwlRewDVae2+ClSKHLcI8Bt8pcTE6Zda09tPJ2U=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VTN8jlZfkCauAnKoYTIUijE6nw5CdsWlGdQ0AjYykvO96JLGtoRndMaY6tjbMtvoY P52chmpBWPFkQMwsmElGdJQANTI2Vi+EkgaotnMshe3GVe5qZXC/dUVKGSkDT3oOBZ Nrfzi6iQpGxySR7y0yPytDN/pMPqnNZ8V9O8T5Gs= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:379180512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894fb1c2ff49fd X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Actually, I don't think I'm missing anything. You should only be concerned with the clearances AT TEMPERATURE. Cast iron has a Coefficient of Thermal Expansion of around 6 micro inches/inch per degree F. Most bronze alloys are around 10, so the guides will grow quite a bit more and cause the bore to shrink more compared to cast iron guides. Now couple this with a change to 300 series stainless steel valves (CTE of 14), and you have a real mess compared to the stock set up. You have to take these differences into consideration when establishing the room temperature clearances using materials other than stock. I use bronze guides because those are readily available for my custom application. I also use the recommended clearance provided by the guide manufacturer for the valve material. Sure, I can make them a little tighter to get better heat transfer, but I'm guessing the gain will be very small for the potential tradeoff in reliability. I can get more performance out of my car by eating salad for a few months (after all, salad does equal speed). To be honest, I've used bronze guides now for over 15 years and couldn't really tell you if the room temperature clearance is larger or smaller compared to cast iron. My educated guess is that it is larger, simply because the materials used have greater CTEs. But feel free to tighten up the room temperature clearance with bronze guides and stainless steel valves. I can almost guarantee you will get them to stick. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be ble to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there s absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed tem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best eat transfer. erry ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 14 22:43:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BE62D095C for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:43:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3812D07D6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 21:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SU88k-0004rq-Ct for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:34 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:25 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120515044328.63BE62D095C@autox.team.net> One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 10:06:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2732D0803 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:06:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4989A2D0693 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.72.16]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 877EE5D808F; Tue, 15 May 2012 09:12:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <74D16842B9EA437C945DB5DD951A71C2@Charly> From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "robert bownes" , "Bobby Whitehead" References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:12:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120515-0, 05/15/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FB2644D.017F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] gt6 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NOPE!, I had a hole in a block and a little damage to the cylinder on my 6 and I had a new liner fit and the hole welded up. As long as you didn't do any structural damage, it's salvageable, especially if you've had lots of machine work done to it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] gt6 > Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. > At > least for the block. > > > Bob > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 >> piston >> is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in >> the >> cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the >> valves >> look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash >> right? >> Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 12:49:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733682D0A75 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:49:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC4D2D07E4; Tue, 15 May 2012 10:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A90B12EA0150; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:49:15 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , , References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0wsgM5C5gy5fj1TY+vOsv4rnf32QCCCiCA Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible causes I've seen mentioned. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM To: fasttrs@yahoo.com; tr4racing@googlemail.com Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 15:27:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543042D07E1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:27:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4442D07EA for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 12:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.128.143.53]) by hrndva-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120515111326908.HJYQ7858@hrndva-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:13:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=D8PF24tj c=1 sm=0 a=RUWGuW3PBPBpRfS07iVXhA==:17 a=4UKjhiDmoJgA:10 a=YP5mhHIQ3-gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_kz1U0Gu5llgiZSYPx0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=X8BM9MTQ6kYE1UKT:21 a=kp0SL3irS3Knexl_:21 a=RUWGuW3PBPBpRfS07iVXhA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.85.135.172 Received: from [76.85.135.172] ([76.85.135.172:4537] helo=guinanhp) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1D/6A-13336-F0A32BF4; Tue, 15 May 2012 11:12:15 +0000 From: "Joe Guinan" To: , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000301cd328c$0b3008c0$21901a40$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yVWylSdA9n/XKQlypk6spXX+J/QANgdqg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct length? Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have and let you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, it's yours for the postage. Will just need an address. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------Original Message------------------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: robertten1@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:52:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9002D08D1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:52:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s9.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s9.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA382D0A68 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU151-DS2 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 15 May 2012 13:28:28 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [168.103.216.178] X-Originating-Email: [klynch_6@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:30 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2012 20:28:28.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[4939CFF0:01CD32D9] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Air filter screens X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Would anyone have an extra pair of 3" 'slip on' Air Horn filter screens? These horns are for a CD-150 set. thanks! Kevin _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 16:53:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657C32D09AD for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:53:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6D42D08E2 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 14:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ALdl1j0070EZKEL53Lu5DQ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:05 +0000 Received: from sz0005.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.51]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ALu41j00q16Jzvw3MLu4TA; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) From: 19to1tr6@comcast.net To: FOT team Message-ID: <877960714.375330.1337115244590.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [24.147.217.236] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - [unknown] (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 18:17:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3FE2D0959 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 18:17:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F462D08B1 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 15:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120515214315.VCXM10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id AMjF1j00D0x0GZM05MjFLt; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=QgGMnJWS4-AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=xwF_mMg1jM8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=BmCTv5aZ42BN7CKrgw9ing==:17 a=IFxCB6nwAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tOIFv9umqBDeDRGxvWUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=jdq5GogOc-sA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ufBznChxpMAA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=wiEB2msKakiuW-5J:21 a=oI4KgiK8xv9dJXV7:21 a=BmCTv5aZ42BN7CKrgw9ing==:117 Received: from [24.179.207.174] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: Joe Guinan Message-ID: <4334252f.1d4d1d.13752747ec2.Webtop.44@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 44 X-Originating-IP: [24.179.207.174] Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to mention. E-mail dean@motorscop.net John Hagen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1@aol.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:44:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE78E2D07CE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:44:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AE7B92D093F for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 20:07:48 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netzero.net; s=alpha; t=1337134108; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=ebyE8dFK6hEw1KSIJMjK8vv0wyXlYAPwPFdc9iNPc2MaK+FDZ4GSCZXy0TGZSIIrw Ar8T2fh6SdSraaDlR8IbrO9fI59YGVXv9LRPYLqRQkZ76b4RQhDWfvQxK5g3j04MxA iS6tygAjKBZlBIdiAjj+IZvqGKZfR4hyLbyMuJ5E= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABH5GC94A656RRJ for (sender ); Tue, 15 May 2012 19:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: sVFNjgUA9YT/ZAn8x7O5PS7lvUe846t/XSsBDbdNZAu4vVICVmSMTQ== Received: (from jaboruch@netzero.net) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id R8UDFGXH; Tue, 15 May 2012 19:07:06 PDT Received: from [75.134.85.130] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:06:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.134.85.130] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Joe Boruch" Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:06:27 GMT To: 19to1tr6@comcast.net X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20120515.220627.24810.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> X-UNTD-BodySize: 1020 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:4109923869 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|jaboruch@netzero.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a braided hose that runs from the hydraulic bearing up into the passenger compartment, which has bleeder at the end of the hose. I use a pressure bleeder and push the fluid thru and out the bleeder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: 19to1tr6@comcast.net To: FOT team Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb30bfb3993415e4fc7st06duc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 15 22:53:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414342D07CE for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:53:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782012D07B4 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 21:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A9995DA0116; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:06:01 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000301cd3310$8881e580$9985b080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0yVV+Ii5G5YAm7QvWJl99z6UzjZgAuqz/A Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had sent Tony the spread sheet some time ago analyzing the clearance between the guide and the valve at various temperatures. This is based on the coefficient of expansion of cast iron (cylinder head, 6.0X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.), manganese bronze (guides, 11.8X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.) and valves (21-4N stainless steel 9.9X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.). I think, based on an internet search, that 21-4N is the common stainless steel used for exhaust valves. The model is based on the bore in the cylinder head being smaller than the O.D. of the guide at operating temperature due to the differences in their coefficient of expansion, just as others have recently mentioned. This makes the bore or I.D. of the guide smaller at operating temperature. The biggest factor is the coefficient of expansion of the valve being almost double that of the cast iron, which controls the I.D. of the guide. I've since refined the model to incorporate different rates of temperature rise in the head, guide and valve stem. The next thing to do was to get better data on the operating temperatures, particularly in a race environment. I've been searching the internet trying to get an idea on temperatures of the exhaust valve, guide and cylinder head. So far I've found that the surface of the combustion chamber is in the neighborhood of 266 to 496 degrees F. Then I found that exhaust valves run in the area of 1000 degrees F. The interesting thing was that the point was made that the valve is only "exposed" to the exhaust gases for 1 out of 4 of the cycles, more or less. The point being that there is a lot of time to transfer the heat to the seat (which transfers the most heat) and the guide. Question: I am aware of the "downside" of not having enough clearance, i.e. a stuck valve, but what is the "downside" of too much clearance? I think we are talking about a clearance of 0.004 versus 0.002 on the diameter of the exhaust valve, cold. That's only a difference of 0.001 on a side, cold! And at operating temperatures the difference will be quite a bit less. A stuck valve can cost a race weekend and more, what can a "loose" guide cost? Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:09 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 01:52:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42612D07E1 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:52:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C81A2D07A8 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 23:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 14:55:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 14:55:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2012 14:55:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 225769.546.bm@omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6652 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2012 14:55:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337093731; bh=SeCGhE1YYKExyltqovjTqmYN8qONwxU79crGO6MEnGE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rYV2dCHxI2ahSC+dc8POZ85wBXybcFX320eV6zVeCeQChMYz7nx3a7sbsPW+Lakg8reMcjpcDBqt/CbPq4EF9uHlpjJzxfGZOUC2kHroJTkSD5A3zvXSYi1XXzIIL5ai9SdKo/sdPC9vDXf+ti5Re3LjXeAGaub5CQuGpAlFpjQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QaIom3YjvWqDuMfriXIRJET3QJ0lpgdePsouq2Ty3Bg/0LqvjM1ejl4YJvj/2R4p9tOkysfxVssVG32UkpmUdV42Cm2P50QLSSm15UZI8vdog12BzwUizfua+NPJ9SNLsNLjs2u1C/yDDL4Rc1RvGZci/m6skZfwtnHBQWGeX8E=; X-YMail-OSG: bZRNNssVM1k.VmDDfmaRlIrZBdFQKaJNLKcFUmI6RkfQ7vA XzQku36HrUiX73hMECy9lyP40JAcvNb.HmjOr6CMx_C9ONtOmL1GsuL4vja2 Ai71aOV7oLHkOCNJzIM82Gu67FsBRSczqQ9nY5jnRUD7hHVw7PCj.WMASY35 2tAB_E4LotqYlmREuMe.p7C4DMhYppZEYxENv0Dcleuh70S9R227dyjgTtvq a5xQxv7E_w4GSPZm9PHvvTETFQJm7MWikVPerrvMVhqOZtuSBxFLEke26YaJ ZhVQJZ438JjId_OZj1oi_cjRKjIqIC_f4.Nmo95hPtJVHfwwgecsFdrSoTF_ 9CMKTN3sfF5NPkT0HMfCSPXrWBQ4qJ54ZxcI2sQt12FXEXo68SgN0aZU6ZTY fPWRXx.L. Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2012 07:55:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337093731.4254.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph , Kas Kastner , Ted Schumacher MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] GT6 / Spitfire and Engine X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Talked to Ted at TSI thinking the engine block is terminal. I did tear into it a little farther removing the pistons and rods. #2 bearing on the rod (which is bent) is worn paper thin and probably gave way. 1000 pieces of the piston were in the oil pan, not worthy of photographs. The crank on #2 rod shows some damage, I think it was turned .020 last time and I'm not smart enough to know if this damage can be polished out, I'm guessing not. There was some pitting on the #2 lifter, some scorching on the outside of the #1 lifter to.. there was some other anomalies with a couple of the other bearings, and one or two lifters. Several other pistons were damaged or broken with bits and pieces of the destroyed piston moving throughout the engine. My knees were giving out , so that's where I was at last night... I'll try to post some photos this afternoon. on another note, I have my 1965 Race prepared Spitfire I'm getting ready to list and sell on eBay if anyone is interested. It needs some attention, but is probably close to being ready as I was in the middle of a complete rewiring of the electrical. It has a 1500 in it, two or three heads, robust chassis and roll cage. $4000.00 ... I also have a 1300 small journal engine that I rebuilt with head. Will need a race cam and custom pushrods to finish into a race engine. Otherwise the engine only had about 60,000 miles on it and the crankshaft and rods did NOT need to be turned so they were 0.000 (stock) bearings. I did re-sleeve the block, put 0.030 pistons in and had the short block balanced... I've got $4000.00+ in it at this point... $2000.00 is a deal for somebody... Bobby Whitehead .... onward through the fog! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 06:23:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD0E2D0945 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 06:23:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr03.ntelos.net (mailrtr03.ntelos.net [216.12.0.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6FC2D07A9; Wed, 16 May 2012 04:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr03.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q4GAjrsA009368; Wed, 16 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 Received: from d-128-235-112.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-235-112.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.235.112]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Wed, 16 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3b86c7d9e67391237050c78cffc8f3dc.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> In-Reply-To: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 From: "Water Rescue Chief" To: "Tim Murphy" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net, fot-bounces@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe and Tim, A leakdown test might be even more informative. Good luck, John On Tue, May 15, 2012 12:47 pm, Tim Murphy wrote: > Joe, > I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a > compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible > causes I've seen mentioned. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM > To: fasttrs@yahoo.com; tr4racing@googlemail.com > Cc: fot-bounces@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the > Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the > Stag > and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any > oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose > continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing > coolant, > btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces > ; > fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the > crankcase > and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over > pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn > rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking >> it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. >> A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas > is > getting forced to the valve area. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander >> Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? >> >> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. >> >> It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. >> >> This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA >> >> After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out > regardless >> of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? >> >> I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. >> >> Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the >> crankcase? >> >> A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the >> problem >> before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 10:58:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81932D07A1 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:58:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE9F2D078A for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 08:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120516140543.PBWG10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Ae5j1j0071GRMdM05e5jAb; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=QgGMnJWS4-AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=xwF_mMg1jM8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=BmCTv5aZ42BN7CKrgw9ing==:17 a=UKsYfbPyAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=IFxCB6nwAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ngbRWqhPfi6MWc2zl1cA:9 a=y3bvONKUrKqOfAJCwSYA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=jdq5GogOc-sA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=5ZUOpGtRm6AA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=ufBznChxpMAA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=f3r1jtOvDLPnNgsD:21 a=r7MC8pzaY48vopWF:21 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [24.179.207.174] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: jkhagen@charter.net Message-ID: <7c3fe190.1d7cd7.13755f7f7ec.Webtop.49@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 49 X-Originating-IP: [24.179.207.174] Cc: fot@autox.team.net, Joe Guinan Subject: Re: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry- That was dean@motorscope.net On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, jkhagen@charter.net wrote: > Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national > champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to > mention. > E-mail dean@motorscop.net John Hagen > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct >> length? >> Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have >> and let >> you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, >> it's >> yours for the postage. Will just need an address. >> >> Joe Guinan >> Fremont, NE >> ---------------------------Original >> Message------------------------------------------ >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) >> From: robertten1@aol.com >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube >> >> Amici Triumphi ! >> >> While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I >> realized I >> might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part >> that >> presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early >> 1500. >> There >> is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 >> engines. >> I >> guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). >> >> So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one >> of >> these, and I am willing to pay for it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bob T >> >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 10:59:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76D2D0784 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:59:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s15.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s15.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD0E2D0718 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 08:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W1 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s15.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 May 2012 07:25:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:25:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2012 14:25:45.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[C83C64C0:01CD336F] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Address help X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 14:31:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEAD2D086C for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:31:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD712D0787 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafl39 with SMTP id l39so1046806qaf.2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3SFZEQTxl0spPYKe7cdSrh1IvirPQudA9eINY+qa668=; b=Ka8xhmRMaHDIU91UbR3+ivWHLKXg9TH2rczpASs6SdWcLCzzMm7hKV3acsx5se8B+9 agPR5ps7kxqvEPtoRBTnq39WuzUWygMqj33CcfusSCE04JQefEF7fCna8/y2BBDFN184 N2dOvSslgNhv8eyjkkTEF1tTO18r2CjXOANmV4ac5Ofmf1uLIn44IlhdpNyiyrh+w7Dp qLl7/KbkshrE9hbz6KRb8/oKqCH2QeE8TetzOeFvkYk8qIMKWzra291SoCVJerY1+ik/ G0QDZAwXSjptUoCo2MO2Sfu+FO6Y0I5r8TeR7KL0p2ARULlgzQV5x38wvE4w3coXegOj 0h/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.186.134 with SMTP id fk6mr3311535igc.22.1337188758669; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.56.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Kas Kastner X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Address help X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kas, did a Google Search on Randy Williams TR3 and found this address: *Randy Williams" wrote: > Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won > the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 14:32:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0378B2D09AD for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:32:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEC22D081D for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:25:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so1496201yhr.14 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=As7RuRyIkI4V794+ygaRdEzEZL6i249Au3xXsA18Pbo=; b=wtLQjIb4iPOVBnsBicSrN5P/ScDoqeeAlakbwRT6Ri39Bm0qejmpsUjKQJSXFL1jP0 SXeisor/Jwjty/4GB74wsc4xBSuODzFQ/Nr8GREXEBZCtWJB0XiDhDkZ45IZb4BVyVyc RgHO1I062QfZqTAhUi1XF5CK9e9DInZJ2elWUjK51mqpBR2c5z/J/pXkxC3ylznxLfsg brfAdyoj8j8e2dhweO61kYErtA9rsCW6XIWLYTCGa5HYuC9i2mEqiAAf5X0H6GRxi/O4 53juBAve5WUIdwgw0tEiNzEXUXopvOowzfTz/JjGv0Nf9sojZBSIRXPm9OZPslU+HdNL VWVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.186.134 with SMTP id fk6mr3332329igc.22.1337189189394; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.56.3 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: rwilliams@williamsoil.com, Friends X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Pictures at the mitty X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here is a link to photos of Randy at the 2012 Mitty: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5743182556604024881 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 16:48:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BC92D077A for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:48:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F592D07B2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4GK56er009889 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:06 -0400 Received: from core-mtd005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.209]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0EB84E00008D for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Message-ID: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Originating-IP: [205.232.231.3] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337198706; bh=BS90UBZjFd81baTcl3n+zNLJQpE1Lwrq8fB03sHe660=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iXLBBmNOIfv2wzsejhNK1Vnp5h3gq32TYRR16w4jut5cBj2Ho+RbYQgu9CCW+c8z0 DqW8QwZdAYeNZMYJT2WRLfg3KxqEb96AzJHQXZUzDTu2ESp6ks68cQX+7/gTbgKmFO bn5+24HO4WGhyIpjuDIVAnJvhbOTPXYiACwF3/4M= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465566208:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4fb40872566b X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 18:35:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9002D077E for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:35:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s14.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s14.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58B62D07C2 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W41 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s14.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 May 2012 14:04:06 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:04:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2012 21:04:06.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E0D68E0:01CD33A7] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Addresses X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net thanks to all who forwarded Randy's address to me. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 18:38:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C68D2D03A5 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:38:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1C72D07AF for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120516212237.ZGOD24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11>; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id AlNd1j0081F7hH505lNdUH; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=IspeM_ItEGYA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=xwF_mMg1jM8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=VWDhV+qyurlTQPoBUEuK4A==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tOIFv9umqBDeDRGxvWUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=nRvYYhZAhu_S5uC6:21 a=0imPVo1VoQ7rq-T7:21 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [71.82.228.48] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Senty To: Joe Guinan Message-ID: <4c4977d6.14e7a0.1375787f67e.Webtop.48@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 48 X-Originating-IP: [71.82.228.48] Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="no" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I lost one during a race along with a significant amount of oil. Tapped the hole after that and put in a pipe plug. Jeff Senty On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1@aol.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:23:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99A42D0756 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:23:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.vbisd.org (unknown [70.34.187.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC7C2D0757 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MainDomain_VBISD-MTA by mail.vbisd.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 May 2012 19:06:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 8.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:06:12 -0400 From: "Scott Starkweather" To: References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm a new member to this group, Thanks to Scott Barr, his dad Jerry and friend (who's name I can't remember- sorry) that I met a couple of weeks ago at Gingerman in South Haven Mi. at the Vintage races. I'm impressed at the knowledge of the members and their willingness to share and help each other out. I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can as I and a couple friends work on building our recently purchased spitfire. It's a 1975 w/ the 1500. I'm looking for any advice I can get in prepping the chassis and drivetrain for race. Scott Starkweather 1962 TR3b. 1975 Spitfire St. Joseph Mi. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:25:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103D2D07BE for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:25:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.161.0]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C327A2D0713 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:16:42 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from new-host-3.home (pool-108-52-110-119.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.52.110.119]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4500CNC1YUJ680@nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:16:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-16_09:2012-05-16,2012-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=18 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205160291 From: Scott Janzen In-reply-to: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:16:06 -0400 Message-id: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> To: BillDentin@aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:25:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF562D070F for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:25:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3FA2D0753 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY0-P5-EAS45 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 May 2012 16:23:42 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.158.48.235] X-Originating-Email: [clw2000@msn.com] Message-ID: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> From: Charles WATSON In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:23:36 -0400 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8E200) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2012 23:23:42.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE6A2600:01CD33BA] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Funny, because I drove an empty Range Rover on a flat interstate and got about the same mpg! Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 6:49 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:27:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD822D07CC for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:27:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D579E2D0752 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so1516567bkc.14 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=73+0kh6hofRdbTpu98pHiEjhMmZBe8LOlrvDLJxcCWQ=; b=ndQo1MvufZvEtZndUl1Cak1al7kWxE2XLu3rMTs78c+nFLgDqY4iusGWjeK0DLRkO/ dWM0roFMh5q+iuQYIri9Y0ANIrrnyOTo/TQpV06PmZy0B73y+Sf3sQcI6tHfu1LY/lI9 QVQerg3wS5Yr+9zHHWFlzIEBpXeOUSzgOCUBgocQzisPS098Fow4OOsSSCO9B6Zf7viv CkpSiNpbhOlLkcfDG1S0tPQjg1q4TPwecmol3CM4k6IOw/1XIRTj2GhI0Cotmg6n5KOV NK1uhVvhe+EPxIIstzBSXbl2mMH1ixb+rFrM6mLhzUxvAYy6CfvfHODNzyL3pHz0RQQk ojBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.79 with SMTP id c15mr1881306bkv.60.1337211190643; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.9 with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [198.228.204.106] In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jason Ostrowski To: BillDentin@aol.com X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHL4A0gVY77pcGAffD2vxPurrv/rOC6XWAUV9/spFKH2RbfUbBf5eQHRBswxSGwP/VsCpo X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 20:27:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADFB2D0835 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:27:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436FF2D0744 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:40:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.230.32.4] (70.sub-174-252-153.myvzw.com [174.252.153.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4GNeoSM013137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 16 May 2012 19:40:57 -0400 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <2CAEF254-4527-47CE-A749-3DA4D23BDF3F@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:40:46 -0400 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SULKSvAi3P6mbQQ6JBd0vA==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=BQRAJ2embmX479pN2lMA:9 a=_XVhfHIf8hXpUIOk3CcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=SULKSvAi3P6mbQQ6JBd0vA==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4FB43B0D.001F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That's great mileage, but one must also consider say 3 nites at motels, 3 days of food & say .50 per mile in deprecation + having to pack and unload the car and all that stuff, wear & tear on the old body to boot; so, I don't want to sound out of hand, but John's Freightliner with all of the above included @ $1.50 per mile ain't all that bad either. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 22:08:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439D42C040A for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:08:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp03.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp03.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32E02D0702 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b18.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.118]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q4H0VX3W021917 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:55:31 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1362937683 Message-ID: <1362937683-1337216131-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1835350276-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:55:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: gasket.works@gte.net List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Volvo truck combined weight with trailer and two stacked tr4's. Is 43k lbs. Zero grade @ 55 is 15.5+mpg @1100rpm. . Avg however is 9.8mpg. @ 60 Mph @ 1200 rpm all grades. 150 gal fuel. About 6 gal/hwy hour. Motor is dual overhead cam cummins 6 cyl isx 15 liter 430 HP detuned from max 600 HP. about 1500 ft lbs torque w/ max about 2000ft lbs. Will do better than 55mph on southbound California grapevine grade @ 1.8mpg @ 35lbs boost. Will pin the spedo going up the baker grade to Vegas (85+). Engine weighs 3100lbs. Uses 56 quarts of oil. Bought this motor not so much for the get up and go power but the ability of the Jake brakes to slow the truck and trailer. It used to be a very very scary ride down the Calif. Grapevine before this. The best part is that NO trailer brakes needed even with trailer fully loaded @ 13k lbs. I used to have do the trailer brakes nearly twice a year. Now, have not needed trailer brakes in past 7 years. Parts available everywhere. Only cost twice as much as my wife's GMC 4500 top kick. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 To: Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 22:10:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2AA2D079B for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:10:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA582D0756 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 19:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W50 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 May 2012 18:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.132.139] From: marty sukey To: "billdentin@aol.com" , FOT Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:20:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2012 01:20:10.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[33BB8F40:01CD33CB] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not exactly apples to apples. On the tow to from the Mitty with my F-150 4X4 with a 5.4L gas engine, loaded to the hilt plus the 16 foot aluminum open trailer with the Spitfire on it we got 15.5 mpg. Didn't break a sweat on the hills. Marty > From: BillDentin@aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 22:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBC62D0785 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:11:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5488A2D06DF for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 19:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY147-W24 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 16 May 2012 18:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [173.3.220.153] From: michael cook To: , Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:42:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2012 01:42:33.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[54775A40:01CD33CE] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Trouble on hills, eh? And what does the driver weigh? Mike Cook> From: BillDentin@aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:52:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0262D0743 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:52:46 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B333D2D0744 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4H2nHpR006402; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 Received: from core-dld003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.9]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 14B24E000085; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 (EDT) References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> To: jason@multivintage.com, BillDentin@aol.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 98.190.152.29 by webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.208) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chuck Gee X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36139-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF01EEC921A881-12A0-9F9A@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [98.190.152.29] Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337222957; bh=SRv2BBt9fmK+d+WJ0KgcPADUEevh2/OSKXvJSoCgxCU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lg6e+N3kRTOXRWGzEOF3B2ghe+K8j6kkvPN+J0iPhbnT96JEHCJJqNJOptbpEkdoR yIcnc95sItjozcjd4kZdc+jSLA/rENmareASxAfREi6hQh3FZfLpQoPn4Ui11l1+/C DmFX31DwQkr264yb5ZtnbhP5dnwQAjipSlGwfehc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:474226752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4fb4672d5411 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Now that's funny, right there! Good for you Jason. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: BillDentin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. owever, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down here with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full lectric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt ather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and acing with all those killer fast Triumphs. nyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running nleaded. he Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% f the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 PG. ood on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the GR pocket book. ut, orth every penny! Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing n Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY rip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty ood. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:53:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CAD2D078F for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:53:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com [17.158.161.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C54B2D0743 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:53:27 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from new-host-2.home (pool-108-52-110-119.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.52.110.119]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0M4500CHUC20YF50@nk11p00mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:54:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-17_02:2012-05-17,2012-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=11 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205160360 From: Scott Janzen Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:53:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-id: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No trailer, but fairly loaded, the same vehicle gets 16 mpg at 75. Wind resistance of the box trailer is the killer. Open trailer doesn't have anywhere near the impact. On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:53:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7E02D075B for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:53:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A462D0743 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Aq8G1j0011ei1Bg5FqwubJ; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:56:54 +0000 Received: from [10.168.193.165] ([198.228.197.34]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AqwZ1j00p0l0u1i3kqwcZs; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:56:52 +0000 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <43C4A135-E3F3-4164-A6FC-B4FC3EE3104B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Steven Groh Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:56:26 -0400 To: Scott Janzen Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 9.5 with a 7,000 pound V10 Excursion towing a 22 foot trailer with gear equalling 6,500 pounds Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:53:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A722D067A for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:53:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD7A2D0697; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so6312907qab.14 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:03:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=PtuqdtC8PqaxfALqmCCuRXCV+uJhFNw2KUp4gECSrp4=; b=bFoApSdDcTdPewoyIRdJF5+DhbdB+fwLsfg8umd6xmkvntwVQ3Ar4rV3j5HrC7gvDF vZ706BUQpcDJiq7NZrh5n2tD/J/XxwpCDIegY+YjxBd5OKdJNYr2Fjg6uR3395mt4OQR NfJnqTytOZOpbuv4qPdTcEQP3l8qz+FbeJnt+Q17hRVlfhUetFbTH3Q2qFjegTzi/b4f et7u6ImPXjCpyh+dd51mqo42s60ETHr7lfE5lLyMylZCarxJX4yRSvE77OVaekVBs5eh t07lEac5vDXZbkFvMC6X+bg3upwW87iBA93raT23iqmBI9xATvxLkXgWUp6B7pJrrfqI 7ahg== Received: by 10.224.200.198 with SMTP id ex6mr13949513qab.63.1337223785319; Wed, 16 May 2012 20:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df8sm12446261qab.6.2012.05.16.20.03.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 May 2012 20:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <006701cd33d9$9469bd90$bd3d38b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac0z2ZNohJj9aKNDRs2QQ/8upne4bw== Content-Language: en-us Cc: spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] eBay: Mystery Triumph GT6 or Spitfire Racing Gearbox X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NFI Interesting puzzle gearbox for Spitfire. Is it a close-ratio GT6 converted to Spitfire? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150806989467 Item = 150806989467 Thinking back, I did get a tranny with OD from a clapped out Vitesse back in the 70s that bolted right in to my 1968 Mk3 Spitfire. Hmmmm. If I remember correctly. Or did I take the gearbox apart and build the OD into a Spitfire gear set? I think it was a 1500/1600cc 6 in that car. But this tranny has a KC number. http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm#Vitesse Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 16 23:59:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514182D069D for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:59:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9482D06FA for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AqSw1j0011eYJf8A2s2iaa; Thu, 17 May 2012 04:02:42 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.99]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id As2h1j00828HZcC01s2hDD; Thu, 17 May 2012 04:02:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 04:02:41 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Jason Ostrowski Message-ID: <350743436.448177.1337227361838.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.170.200.248] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net bronze guides? That's really funny, Jason. Thanks for that one. The Sprinter sure sounds like a great tow vehicle. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: BillDentin@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:33:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 01:41:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA4C2D075B for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 01:41:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B49B2D06DB for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4H4bgDb014221 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (53.sub-166-248-131.myvzw.com [166.248.131.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 2CC95E0000BB; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:42 -0400 (EDT) References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Jack Mc Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337229462; bh=bBShQRNW0GOb5J35j+QIhY930nmh5u8J7FZYbKiH8eM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ef7HJaNXJLUFU2Oa9U7wFxK0qc+Be+gDu0GrQHltUODJxBtLD+HUO9UwRFEaq1qdi xRyHvjXM0tQpvD5V5dafT8qsWqQ3TAs4orXTvSITFYOCCt40xzAXk78lUFdRp0RP8y r/jmNd3Ct5nNgpu8j8sFCT/S3Rp4kZU2zijqPLQc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:501908512:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29444fb48096096c X-AOL-IP: 166.248.131.53 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i hear great mileage stories from current owners of those Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 03:43:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D3E2D077A for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:43:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDD62D0723 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120517065751.HTCT30946.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net> for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:57:51 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id Auxq1j00C4zsG5S03uxq04; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:57:50 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FB4A16E.0085,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-CM-Score: NA Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> In-Reply-To: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0z8XgtaJTV2TUASy+pgMa0cjqVVQACBzUQ Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the posted speed limit is. Joe C. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 03:43:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFB12D0716 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 03:43:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ABA2D0398 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 00:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Wed, 16 May 2012 23:59:26 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: FOT Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:59:25 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] MPH towing... Thread-Index: Ac0z4ynryIuLBaOwTliW8RyCLb6QZQAEy8Rg Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3DF1@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mordy's "toterhome" is the real deal, just like the big-boy fat-cat teams. Ours is somewhat more pedestrian. 36' Winnebago Journey diesel pusher coach, towing a custom 24' stacker trailer. Total weight around 36,000#. Caterpillar 330hp (7.2 liter) six, Allison six speed. I never precisely calculate mileage, because I really don't care, but I do fill it up when it gets low. I guesstimate it's getting about 10 mpg on the flats towing our small 16' enclosed trailer. About 8.5 towing the stacker loaded with Spitfire, GT6 & my wife's Formula V car, plus scooter, tools, tires, fuel, etc... Out west here, we've got to climb some pretty big hills just to get out of town, as Mordy alluded to. Going up Grapevine northbound (I-5), I get down to about 50 minimum. Grapevine south, it slows to about 38 for the initial segment. My coach only puts out 900 lb ft, versus Mordy's 1500, and thus he can blow by up any hill I'm crawling up. Towing is all about TORQUE, and Mordy's rig is king. On the other hand, my CAT only needs 21 quarts for an oil change! Alternately, my wife frequently tows her Formula V with her Cadillac SRX. Gets a lot of looks, and about 15 mpg on the freeway. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 09:45:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49262D0716 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:45:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138102D05EB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 06:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=odcYAGd74NRp1HM/+4fx+Q==:17 a=LsRHwEOMIkgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2jug35lLZtFM-6aw4EgA:9 a=iLti-QSyEIVsG_lU9LsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=odcYAGd74NRp1HM/+4fx+Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 12.238.168.199 Received: from [12.238.168.199] ([12.238.168.199:16495] helo=[192.168.114.177]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F4/68-07741-881F4BF4; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:39:36 +0000 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Bob Kramer Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:39:30 -0500 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I towed two TR4's in a 28 foot enclosed trailer (10,000 lbs) behind my GMC 2500 HD 6.0 gas truck. The mileage was something like 8.5 mpg. I feel a little better about that now, especially because Bob Blake paid the gas on the way back. It's like I got 17 mpg. Not a bad deal. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 3:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 09:46:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A182D070F for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:46:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 131262D0694 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 06:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 12:40:31 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.197] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 12:40:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2012 12:40:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337258431; bh=kXaJ/Na8dweQdKLmjoQfnoBlfNJTOlwGPg5XOChGjBs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LxMdRp8r2Zi+y0VXI7jSOVr6J3c4uw5Y1d9X85mdEP+mpAbm6Sg+DX6TEEcrUwfw9xJ3NRqet8hCl95HHlzJ+APdGsVfdbaAbmK+GZXrAxthRmLis53bYLwDKw5NablpD5XbtKszc/hcR2w10xD+eZW9JRRzo89up1oBvTLMbPc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 499234.9298.bm@smtp208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: etYx2PYVM1l.QpHn9k8UmQHp1D4pQMvX6Dap4hm3_olsCWG ARV.Eoy6FQXA5FUnRlNtMt5JNbghjXUxQGAO4WIkfg2NT3_i53EzsW2yRT7t dGjDd48GWbqlo0JlGiXI_seD65BBHvIedWDf6KPB8kAWCFQuv8bRL.ugeuuj yf3kprJU1d_elQIaw7RG.j8X2sEalOQCrqAESmzyZFZsZR6RVyQ.uZ74MCfe IEPKNtXnZICUfRE8UflS2Ou1SKTf3rgD0Kc3j4oqDH91GKTAZdJ9izilt7I1 4lyvYCxwc3_ryJ1.l_jbjgzAWG5HpnTeik24A8j1CAli6LMrzXyPh8gUODwp 3TbCYArlb2sVzy1uMAn.2gOAgv_5oc7IeO3uE0kDDJqL9JU1G9neCx9Z4hI. ikT2Z0R49UUh3YOdKFmYRQV7WQPx7AyaJXVoi_LYASbcSZGU1YetCNwWI0Lr F.eLb X-Yahoo-SMTP: _lMlaL2swBCNeG0IuxO2TIRPBRfHezGk6Vo7h52hKSvU1pc- Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dmitchel@68.79.89.5 with plain) by smtp208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2012 05:40:30 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Mitchell To: Fot MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, Once again, I'll make the offer to anyone desiring a new tow vehicle, as a Ford guy, I can get you X plan on any new Ford or Lincoln. One of the members of this list bought a Mustang on X plan and saved enough to buy a GT instead of a V6. I haven't towed with my F150 yet, but I got 20.4 on the 2700 mile round trip to Sebring. I saw 22.7 on one leg. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 09:48:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB8D2D0766 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:48:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e32.co.us.ibm.com (e32.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9146A2D06C7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e32.co.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:06:58 -0600 Received: from d01relay06.pok.ibm.com (d01relay06.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.116]) by d01dlp03.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23B7C90089 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay06.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id q4HD6Yqu17170504 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:34 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id q4HD6Yql028902 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:34 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id q4HD6Wxx028744 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: X-KeepSent: 7C0AC278:63904645-85257A01:0045D02B; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1FP5 SHF29 November 12, 2010 Message-ID: From: George Harmuth Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:22 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML099/01/M/IBM(Release 8.5.3 ZX853HP5|January 12, 2012) at 05/17/2012 09:06:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12051713-3270-0000-0000-0000066B1531 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:46:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E222D070C for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:46:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s32.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s32.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3592D0683 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT141-W41 ([65.55.90.7]) by snt0-omc1-s32.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 May 2012 07:22:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [174.21.171.139] From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: , Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:22:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2012 14:22:51.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AFF1C00:01CD3438] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8@aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin@aol.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:47:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211B52D0766 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:47:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335142D0707 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4HEbwn7030113; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:37:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: BillDentin@aol.com In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, My rig is a '99 Chevy Express one-ton cargo van. The motor is a 5.7 liter chevy V8 with the HD tranny (700R6, I think). My normal trailer is a 20 foot enclosed Pace American rallye. With the car and "stuff", the gross trailer weight is in the 6500 pound range. I get between 9 and 10 MPG with the enclosed trailer. With an open trailer, I get more like 13. I only have one data point for that setup, but it was a 3500 mile round trip tow, so it should be valid. With the enclosed trailer, if I get a run on the big hills, I can stay above 50 MPH easily. Once in a while I get boxed in on a hill approach and then I might drop to below 50 before the hill crests, but that's only because when the tranny steps down to the lower gear, I get out of the gas so I don't try to pull a long distance in the lower gear. This truck has about 140K miles on it, so it's not a spring chicken. The 5.7 liter Chevy motor that was in the Express Vans from the mid-90's to the early 2000 range were rated at 225 HP and I believe that number. My older truck ('84 G10) had similar miles on it, but the motor was rated at 150-ish HP. The difference is amazing. That thing downshifted pulling out of my driveway. It was HORRIBLE. OTOH, it was close to a junkyard truck when I bought it and I put a lot of miles on it over the 5 or 6 years I had it... so, it was "tired", to say the least. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:50:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7043F2D07A9 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:50:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC892D06AB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so2714869yen.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=o4Io14+fJmcn/kN4DW3PFJvkkdFKm3z5zg/JXZ4e3Lc=; b=W9yoCOQ6dAqfP57YLDEss/igWnlNe/JmBfmF/O+Yx6uh4qg1xgkjUENiesfaIIQcfL WqTkm1phvsa6nGA7L2LRsGbIT8VNVCBHvoR3jSZDWcvhfWYw5bSRpIqgTpi3BYNfvO7/ wMvNMaBp5kBXuky2iFkBApVQfZAXkwX5ampaN8vOC4aarA/fiNMptlZ7WxThkOfIWEH5 5ClEpZzeB/4Ii2IjiiaF44bFN2QaW2mMF0XKggC6TzC3zqgGl9abxqbcuzVipGNLmUKx eSGr9cigkF8vQNvWzql0hccRSH6tjdITyq7QflFEWK3iW7OvKHJMvQgnEsCl5Na1+9MN btng== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.183.198 with SMTP id eo6mr5606348igc.61.1337266266085; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.209.85 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 07:51:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: robert bownes To: Joe Curry X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlYvaMHiCqYMys2NaWOs/VgScCm4+0daf56rdm2qCCNlrh0UJICGnJbJgvXPxYPxG1a8iE8 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 11:52:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FBA2D0747 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 11:52:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EDB2D077E for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 09:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so3078464vbb.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Fq2C3Bvw6MRHopAUrcaj5ztRmYJyddKO2SZz7CNInUo=; b=OtpX9fENv0QQFmo4aYNYjOdUd4aFEt7l5n5ZGn/o9aFq5CmQXSdCq8k7X2MFukpTyf hv9ruRXrzYi9rlE8wVbui035QmD3oImw6+3XNkRPKYl9OSkn0tqyTBb/yOvyfiWDTC3U CeegqxH6MF4XstsVCUB95Wr4sj4EVDyxGUQXVgvYM2LamRPYiECEPWtjd3VcWXLjv7ON Op7TEkZaQ0F11socmxZiZhl2UaH+uy/fswslnmN8f5bbplxNN4VUaPa3DifgtxNtF2CG 2+AVdnGw2cjJ1X7hknGHgYSdRLVgQrD8WhQjkHH28k8jKLy9vBrIDZ5D7yTNuqoRuMMN PWtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.221.2.74 with SMTP id nt10mr2539605vcb.1.1337269625955; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.151.3 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 08:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:47:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Transmission input shaft turning and spline cutting X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, I need to have a couple of TR7 4-speed transmission input shafts shortened and new splines cut. If you know of a good machinist that can do this I would like contact information if possible. Thanks! Brad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 13:46:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33AB2D06F7 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:46:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40CE2D0703 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 10:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4HGCs3x013287; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:54 -0400 Received: from core-msa005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.81]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D5AD8E00008C; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) References: To: harmug@us.ibm.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36081-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337271174; bh=tq0cqUd7VjhsyodhXGFN3Yil8g7YkTdA/pBVKYZ4PR4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sakzMXudDXkg/5ubWdHizoat5xwKh72veX7Frqt2kfuS7zKsN3z84lfGeF44qFwEk uiXvuu14osCjp48uZW0bDRz+5JgxbeBizbc8lUFoE7xrtVufLBz/SppbDup0u+u3xY bgqp8wTaz0kZkwLhPArvHv0NM7t0F9f4sx9JrqB8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436786720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4fb523854a0e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# 13 mpg @ 60 mph Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice having at the track, though. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth To: fot Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:17:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200B02D0713 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:17:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFDE2D06EE for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:16:25 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: ktydings.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4HIGddW025153; Thu, 17 May 2012 14:16:44 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Tony and Annie Garmey'" , , References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:16:39 -0400 Message-ID: <398535745C644952851C4E0B31DF40CE@gdhs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac00VSWFM0xyIB7AQ2qw9+FaGP+ZFAAA+dmw In-Reply-To: X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0l1ZA7H7kdVYwsUDqKdyt3M1kbawXr/ph8StbAMu7Y4= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=vFbOwFzBSUly8KyUe-wA:9 a=AL9T5HefDxR_R_BUnwoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=5rXUl0uxGeMmOQ9C:21 a=YH6NuyikgOsNMMrA:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Long Live Freightliners, another great product of the Charlotte area....(especially ones with bronze guides) John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:23 AM To: limeyv8@aol.com; billdentin@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8@aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin@aol.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel > engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow > > with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle > > (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I > > highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and > > shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds > > of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two > > captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on > > some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded > > with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer > > tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile > > MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought > > that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 16:22:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071482D07B6 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:22:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1802D06EB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so3136947yen.14 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:18:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=eOl1KYvMUIST/fqW6trTAoxET2qJ/tvfbut9+it8gLw=; b=1CIdUrxf6PZXkmTnFW4dpaVDvLrfQRrc/nss5DS1n9zn99sFbUFY2mTq9Uq12GrDRZ L9VW4Zoa9DMBXlO5ge8e2CS4XQlbcpPHVVR/SaJMb1+7Y5DYlMdgVCSQPyGO1u7cFop9 vWQjqQZdJdMTzSsga3q+Y2DmDwObm2ZnVCeKJUmydyr7h5O/bgmAEYK5zblaFRT/fjXy cDBPAkN0w1f4lGHXzZrli8f4ZkG6xtaUsm2KmQcotHZUxNX1HG5AL/3aS+qoUbQUEoCq WsGBxW4aOJ43YfwPyEYPJomHpZctJozxmctFCqx95PzygIRoNRbWbXXr3N6/MAWmjgu2 Z+2A== Received: by 10.60.170.145 with SMTP id am17mr7593088oec.73.1337282327233; Thu, 17 May 2012 12:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r8sm4549942oer.6.2012.05.17.12.18.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 12:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Duncan Charlton In-Reply-To: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:18:43 -0500 Message-Id: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> To: FOT X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My Tundra gets around 11 mpg when hauling our 7x14 enclosed trailer and perhaps 15 or 16 when towing the aluminum single-axle flatbed with the Morgan on it (I'll check again this weekend). The Vixen 21td motorhome, which usually got 23-25 mpg with its BMW turbodiesel engine, dropped to around 18 mpg pulling the aluminum trailer and race car but it was very tiring having to monitor the EGT gauge so closely to keep from burning up the engine due to the extra load, so I won't be trying that again. Sprinters have been on my radar for some time now and I may end up with one, particularly if I find one that has a simple weekender camping package. Duncan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 18:24:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7442D0710 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:24:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454E82D06C9 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Hvb06jvS c=1 sm=0 a=odcYAGd74NRp1HM/+4fx+Q==:17 a=LsRHwEOMIkgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MK9FaA28AAAA:8 a=_6TT5VzyPaWumSRF-Z0A:9 a=T42cD6v7X2r5826uJZAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=DgEMpHN06QsA:10 a=odcYAGd74NRp1HM/+4fx+Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 12.238.168.199 Received: from [12.238.168.199] ([12.238.168.199:46875] helo=[192.168.114.177]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id A3/68-16302-3B675BF4; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:07:47 +0000 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Bob Kramer Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:07:45 -0500 To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 20:22:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD8E2D0716 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7CF2D06C4 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.27.18.137] (82.132.232.222) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4F53FD910B9F0C1F; Thu, 17 May 2012 23:28:09 +0100 References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> From: TR4 Tony In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:36:29 +0100 To: Joe Alexander Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" , "harmug@us.ibm.com" Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jeez You guys and juice ! When im trailering 'Beastie' im getting 40 mpg average with my diesel BMW 530 msport estate and my lightweight streamlined covered Trailer at 70 mph .... I can't afford to truck at your prices ! Beastie does 10 mpg so I'd rather drive and sleep in the hedges with the wildlife ! Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 17 May 2012, at 17:12, Joe Alexander wrote: > 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 > > Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# > > 13 mpg @ 60 mph > > Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but > maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice > having at the track, though. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Harmuth > To: fot > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing > > > I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. > For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class > A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went > with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough > guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started > looking for a smaller rig. > > I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a > fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the > exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale > (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just > about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way > there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got > closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I > "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour > trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, > averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does > Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the > trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer > hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. > > 63 Spitfire #7 > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 17 22:22:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D372D06FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:22:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5D82D06AE for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:16:30 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ObQa/2vY c=1 sm=0 a=QVsE0LPK3DK1d4mmNk9gng==:17 a=Aj8MJkhpyzEA:10 a=Xj_gVYmDKxMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=nq_iPTBNAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MK9FaA28AAAA:8 a=QEps4B0vAAAA:8 a=zOEvBIEAB2dFoQSocMkA:9 a=gWcAlo5-UCcj-sdSMIAA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=DgEMpHN06QsA:10 a=TQdRxR6nyrkA:10 a=J1--mjHvEgEA:10 a=QVsE0LPK3DK1d4mmNk9gng==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rjl6n; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.53.193.82] ([71.53.193.82:25691] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 8D/8D-32121-621B5BF4; Thu, 17 May 2012 22:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: <4FB5B11D.7020006@gt-classics.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:17:01 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert bownes References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My 2005 Dodge Ram (5.7 Hemi) gets about 10 - 11 mpg pulling the 20 foot Horton hauler enclosed trailer with workbench, lots of tools, and a Formula Ford plus camping gear. It has no problem maintaining speed up any of the hills around here, but maybe that's because I hid my light bar behind the grill - trying to be slightly subtle about it. :-) John On 5/17/2012 10:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n@cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 00:08:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142872D06F2 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:08:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BE582D05CB for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:59:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:59:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 02:59:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 263086.50547.bm@omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91297 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 02:59:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=YOQ08F72k3E3dp3pUyFWa8e6zx5+nLzd5f0uz9yPSBXT9ITLT5Oi2zFjhRiWzafrEgc+C8KXdqVyQk9IGkGQXafSfyuD6+Z90Ym6xhVx3d+ChmBl9izHylh57UJCNiKgHycVWuuB18Sy6O8bO5wGKWqpVmOognPljdrqT4M84ME= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337309990; bh=7t6UwI4Mh0Kih6rPNVKkEvQdACDOcD5ipb1oq7vq1Io=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Jm8RHy6n2CtBtqWuaQRHy/YrIqIxRGrNCKEmOrZQ1uIG8rp/zRCPs6cnmh0nlzoSUNSCSl/qztWC7vqhabvOV04BnNLP04wSXQm2Pqz0ijEk33t5Agd+lrayPWQmCA74QwUFsncA/Rfwo8/Ozx7fozm/XFjskthpWT+JZrzVTZk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 4vTdstUVM1l4agys4Me8e3UlE_OhKtjoxqzYkZ8fxLfSQGP vIj5lzfAD8J3yOOf0uco7o_yjNGhv3SUc.slHS7u3vUzxCM75wY8APOQTn_t Fa7cKe9fV8L7mqCV6vNcwIB.YYyuBkQrQXeAuCJRz5lJT839gYVfHkiJgvDx yWKb9XvKDQcAKiEuzZbIgwddSp53AC9JwHL9ULVk2tHhnY7kS.JZS2z1OKL2 9vPXC1SrZBAbUn.97VJmbYF_pZY4lo25ElSIkDdtvlKCLSQgfCUWjYMwUAUb BApEftXjvdIyiYjta9rvAJaiPyhSJZR4Q6KsWqJvIGDqGb33q9fjow0B5Z2_ fUgFM0m5yxd2UDxJWMiKOKN.LwJyVbwBqc5FVjf2LA6NgxJPfsWpibXta7ao i0RPIwEZbbePpPqHYcm8KdQWumkrmQ9kesjJX1dLZuoqqXuDZLaA419n.8BS M3V4ia95POHVrjG06XEJc7__M5ZhrpOEXPmmtyOa9RU_PRaY3 X-Yahoo-SMTP: NG64.Q6swBAG_6oajxtFkMG273sqQzAxQIAr Received: from [192.168.2.3] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp101-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2012 19:59:49 -0700 PDT References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:59:51 -0600 To: Bob Kramer Cc: robert bownes , 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 09:11:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97112D0651 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:11:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wcnet.org (mailhub.wcnet.org [64.31.64.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89532D0630 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 06:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from authmail.wcnet.org (authmail.wcnet.org [64.31.64.16]) by mail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C8542B05DA for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SnookPC (rrcs-98-102-104-9.central.biz.rr.com [98.102.104.9]) by authmail.wcnet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF01420554 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Snook" To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: <007901cd34f4$687dec80$3979c580$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac009GgZSBo75bXpQtOPHht5hf1eAQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR3 Water Temp Gauge F-U X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the leads to help with my broken water temp gauge. Sounds like there are a number of sources to rebuild them. I have a lead on a working used one, and if not, we've contacted MoMa who will rebuild ours and can turn it around in a day or so. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 09:13:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500352D0689 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:13:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4722D0656 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 07:20:41 -0600 (MDT) X-POP-User: blbowen.gdhs.com Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4IDLC7K026242; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:21:17 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: , "'Bob Kramer'" References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac00vMIvcB85GqEJQMq/XYOJscg2MgAPDuog X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MK9FaA28AAAA:8 a=qSH90Z7nkbzAedPbwuUA:9 a=z-HP5uswjCOheT8gc-4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=DgEMpHN06QsA:10 a=3kbLUVltja9HmyS0:21 a=DwrGPieJwTheOEdd:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FB64CCD.0103, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: 'robert bownes' , ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 10-4 on the bar! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:00 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: robert bownes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much >> regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It >> slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, >> both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at >> them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension >> under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs >> at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >>> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >>> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, >>> depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >>> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >>> whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:08:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460542D05E1 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:08:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.q.com (smtp.quartz.synacor.com [205.169.121.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9792D0630 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:10:45 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Dl1GEakEyWWPFrSON/CLBz4zk5pv9kiss6dKoOmV+Y0= c=1 sm=0 a=pGfBIBo4v1oA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=5uzyEDg2IGAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MK9FaA28AAAA:8 a=BM2Wo2QsAAAA:8 a=fQZ9mbxfNwqq_wKA3kIA:9 a=ji0SMUXEIAAF3c2cVcAA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=DgEMpHN06QsA:10 a=d8-XDScYJTYA:10 a=MVt/OeM/O+V7psr6YXG+1g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.quartz.synacor.com smtp.mail=cofrog@q.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.quartz.synacor.com header.from=cofrog@q.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.quartz.synacor.com: transitional domain q.com does not designate 10.30.7.251 as permitted sender) Received: from [10.30.7.251] ([10.30.7.251:42630] helo=md04.quartz.synacor.com) by smtp.q.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 3E/BD-12192-E8856BF4; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: cofrog@q.com To: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Message-ID: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [174.16.140.72] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.8_GA_2685 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Win)/dev build) Cc: robert bownes , 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ty, Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:15:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873C92D0642 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:15:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta-w3.tc.umn.edu (mta-w3.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A472D03AF for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (70-59-91-241.mpls.qwest.net [70.59.91.241]) by mta-w3.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP Fri, 18 May 2012 09:24:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] 70-59-91-241.mpls.qwest.net [70.59.91.241] #+TS+AU+HN From: Patrick Starr Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:25:00 -0500 Message-Id: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> To: BillDentin@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna Van towing the 1958 Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to Road Atlanta and back. The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep hills. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 11:16:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F742D065D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:16:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E812D062B for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 08:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BS1g1j02G17UAYkA1SR9WW; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:25:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.11.2] ([24.22.73.104]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BSR81j00b2F05dU8ZSR9FW; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:25:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4FB65BC4.4070900@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:25:08 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2004 Winnebago Class A motorhome with the 8.1 liter Chevy gas engine. Trailer is a 20 ft. enclosed Pace for the Spitfire. Combined weight is around 21k lbs. I drive around 60 on the freeways. Average 9.3 when not towing, 8.3 when flat towing my Subaru Forester and 7.3 when towing the Pace. Except in North Dakota where you are fighting a head wind no matter which way you're going and then the mileage hovers between 5-6. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 13:21:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A073C2D0648 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:21:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6512D060E for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 10:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BUQx1j0031GXsucABUS8bm; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:08 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.50]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BUS81j00T14rd388UUS8Ck; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: fot Message-ID: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1660579348.10639.1337357753132.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.51.180.242] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 15:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04312D04CD for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:22:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73C12D035F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 11:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W1 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 10:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: , Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: , <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 17:23:13.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7D8CF60:01CD351A] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: bownes@seiri.com, fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog@q.com > To: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > CC: bownes@seiri.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot@autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 17:37:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BC52D04B0 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:37:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56B72D046F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4ILIRUJ012848; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 Received: from core-dld003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.9]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9ABA5E00008B; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> To: rkramer3@austin.rr.com, bownes@seiri.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 64.134.235.92 by webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.97) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chuck Gee X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36139-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [64.134.235.92] Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337375908; bh=x6uZdzcm2VEuHUJL5YuGbXHOs4nHL9RewIvvwsT63bQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g+GTaBc49ryc4lXoUeFlnhUFvwmcDHPFPt5BSOLxxFnqhUTz3T1THH/YQOIDyS3tC oeN6vsSMXljLgoVkkg+ww6rZJzsTaZvKoxc4swShHCMI/ju/3C6POVVKPWfbLxBaXl HTYVcr6tl7fHs7Q5pMGKu4bDrIj+yTVrceCGbJAc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:513134752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4fb6bca42d24 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever he > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 19:35:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BAC2D04CF for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:35:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491AE2D043C for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BS0o1j0051Y3wxoA1ZfgqC; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:39:40 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.50]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BZfg1j00L14rd388bZfgM7; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:39:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:39:40 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: "Robert M. Lang" Message-ID: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.51.180.242] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed www.vtoperformance.com they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. No idea why. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang@isis.mit.edu _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 19:35:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055812D04F7 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:35:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A4A2D0467 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BZYk1j00H0lTkoCA3ZlVdf; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:45:29 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.50]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BZlU1j00d14rd388QZlUe4; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:45:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:45:28 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Kas Kastner Message-ID: <1001325525.23172.1337377528654.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.51.180.242] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: bownes@seiri.com, fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's funny you say that Kas, I drafted a semi in a head wind for 60 miles on the way back from Hastings last fall andB I could reduce throttle B enough to get me out of the secondaries. My little Winnie has the aero coeffi ciant of a cinder block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: cofrog@q.com, tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Cc: bownes@seiri.com, "fot" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:23:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment B > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog@q.com > To: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > CC: bownes@seiri.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. B I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. B 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. B Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot@autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 19:36:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403BB2D0685 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:36:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145812D04B0 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:58:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.242.102.216] (154.sub-174-254-119.myvzw.com [174.254.119.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4ILx5O1017395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 May 2012 17:59:08 -0400 References: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <04199901-B018-4688-A202-979389A28CBD@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:59:03 -0400 To: Kas Kastner X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0l1ZA7H7kdVYwsUDqKdyt3M1kbawXr/ph8StbAMu7Y4= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=bI3rPMotdecM9u6NalfG8A==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=BM2Wo2QsAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MK9FaA28AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Y4Uyyl2sHNnq32vY7AAA:9 a=kugYlsehVF_rXvNHLegA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=d8-XDScYJTYA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=DgEMpHN06QsA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=PJFtkJFVGRyYZSz4:21 a=D1dfQ6FQmrBKhayn:21 a=bI3rPMotdecM9u6NalfG8A==:117 Cc: "bownes@seiri.com" , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well, if we really raced our cars like a good number of those in the 50's did, we would drive the car to the track & home after the race and all would get mileage in the 20's......... Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can > empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my > 26.7 MPG. Enough? > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 >> From: cofrog@q.com >> To: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com >> CC: bownes@seiri.com; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> Ty, >> >> Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com >> To: "Bob Kramer" >> Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and > all >> hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze > guides. >> >> Ty >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: >> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair >> amount >>> of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 >>> with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless >> of >>>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with >> the >>>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them >>>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>>> >>>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double > deck >>>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear > and >>>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely > on >>>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>>> >>>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> the >>>>> posted speed limit is. >>>>> >>>>> Joe C. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 19:38:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF572D04CD for ; 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18 May 2012 16:38:31 -0700 PDT References: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: Inbox Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148a) From: Dennis Delap X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_1_5314403_AM/VimIAADDFT7ahTQdU02Mn16Y Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:28 -0500 To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - The US distributor is in Arizona somewhere. They are selling on Ebay often. On May 18, 2012, at 11:26 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 21:37:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110132D03D9 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:37:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DF54D2D048C for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 23:43:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.230] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 23:43:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2012 23:43:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 856410.6452.bm@omp1039.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85251 invoked from network); 18 May 2012 23:43:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=wbrT3POzwG0mqn5D5bpcK94yxMxM4DlJqKQSii22tpxJ8fdVzghOfdr4sppUoNwLzM7QuF10QBDTBXJyoTbuWc0fr+oyJEmZgqKEgIkBRUaA4cFYSShQ8gGqSTFtAOVcbkidEffQFfaFShnuxLceUd/jmRhHUL9kn7uzNu/2JYw= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1337384585; bh=vEV92cMTLwmLD6puU0QfLBYhBuMqd80m4U7pqtFlxwQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=x2KCSyJvW+qiJlcmjlHYvWDYhHw9B/+KnCySizzV01cd+HIwt7wVpcnrVJergf5tCiXQjD0x9DeZ7F6fvLpWorv1InWnhhH0YplrVgA6CWT8JMW9iJO7+IkPbXV/1dgDDIl1+NYh2bBnCq3mbqwuqyJNMFE63z8NinZgr3woAGY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: hpIY7WEVM1lLvMDSJ9pjEvR6XmpO7mVO90pULuS3VybBU1I b5ukI4SssiNvxAyLabEgpEt0RRm71t2wVUeiKht_q8GcGy3.70IcCWzB7.Pe g31NlEalQ_1E.X0ZSpkAbjkj9rcHtmqmifssRT7o3AkEWF.GBCdaXc2Fx_rf r5CmHDJcGChs7rLwgDIFrQNG9HcDui_UqhB.nEoQnh05bQgJD0nEzWv.kE6m Lffrhmv21qKaaL7bIoC2_0bljGXzpA56ZbpDCPCN.ZwxobotT_xfdQQcvAIJ AZoEZXrByzzJSuxIvwhUYdb0KpJVxKLBJfqo8LdHVH07rJ1MAPSBNkbibY.3 HeJNyC9uuEukhqbk34YCnVBzO_MXAGEcqMYY4dzbcvssP66fL0Thbi4Ug5wU F3PMMhcMi602kAoUTGiDlF5w0UCWzvAwAwoI6uKP.wGEA5SSPM7bDX0fi7hk 6L66KYBbwd_FXaASHcASi0tWJfDCt8LGNyaV_iK6QB2JXTspp5eIrLmuX5q9 qhZFaQzYY_UnWwPViymiZ2O3Zta9Pxb7_rG6JOYsGaPRs4fV5ewx5aHH4mOU 1umRsT_BsroNHpdfK8YXRc1Dl X-Yahoo-SMTP: .9yVxQ2swBDZz0tZ._7lGjNeHO4z_u9.XII9ZUeBH58nbjsMKbP1 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (yellow-green@99.43.68.42 with xymcookie) by smtp125-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2012 23:43:05 +0000 UTC References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: Inbox Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148a) From: Dennis Delap X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_1_5320245_AJzVimIAAOa9T7bdeAT76Rw3Kk0 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:43:02 -0500 To: Chuck Gee Cc: "bownes@seiri.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Do you tow in overdrive? I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. D On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 21:38:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D03C2D041C for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:38:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7B12D044A for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4INiPjh027480; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:44:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (adsl-75-5-175-223.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net [75.5.175.223]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 08BB0E000914; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:44:25 -0400 (EDT) References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: chasgee@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:44:23 -0700 To: Dennis Delap x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337384665; bh=0rtHXZmFE+OlNUHOThRnVUdBpR6PjR9hAPlQ6pocgMw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=m1LsCgYQ/bwtceRUOjxTR1pFRfPrOWDlYblCQ6z3JrF7HPAf4a1PUOLK+DRp67bu+ RkA0jgrqX0CWJCXdx8PelhYo6Ssgjri2Knd7RGdfE6j168aVt25vXV/Ar9eTaE/UEZ 3WjEPPyhnqa8YTc74NKc7ZXxM0oOQOWcURwwdg9Y= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:506764768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c54fb6ded959d0 X-AOL-IP: 75.5.175.223 Cc: "bownes@seiri.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot@autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 21:39:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFEA2D048C for ; 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18 May 2012 16:53:15 -0700 PDT References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148a) In-Reply-To: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder: Inbox Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148a) From: Dennis Delap X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_1_5321422_AM3VimIAAQJxT7be5gEMGUzsk+c Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:53:11 -0500 To: "chasgee@aol.com" Cc: "bownes@seiri.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oh - and by the way - I use steel valve guides. On May 18, 2012, at 6:44 PM, chasgee@aol.com wrote: > Yes. > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > >> Do you tow in overdrive? >> I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. >> D >> >> On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> >>> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >>> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >>> >>> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >>> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >>> >>> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob Kramer >>> To: robert bownes >>> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >>> >>> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >>> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >>> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>> >>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>> >>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> he >>>> posted speed limit is. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ot@autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 21:41:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E814B2D04A7 for ; 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Fri, 18 May 2012 17:25:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1337387148.92869.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Suhre To: fot , toodamnfunky@comcast.net In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Try . Or Phone 866-855-3473 at 6500 E. 6th St., Prescott, AZ 86314. NFI Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 5/18/12, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed To: "fot" Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 11:26 AM Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 18 21:42:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB6C2D05CF for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:42:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s49.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s49.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3859B2D0455 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W7 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s49.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 18:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:33:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com>, , <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2012 01:33:04.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[55C91860:01CD355F] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As my friend in Texas tells me "them there cast iron valve guides will get it done.". No dogs or fish or beer required. Never be beaten by equipment > To: rkramer3@austin.rr.com; bownes@seiri.com > From: chasgee@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > > wind direction and the grade. > > > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he > > posted speed limit is. > > > > Joe C. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 00:15:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD032D0405 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 00:15:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB0E2D0395 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DAB2E076 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:27:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FB711B5.7070209@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:21:25 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spit Spring tool, forums back! X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Spent some time working on the forums. Basic functionality is back. You can look at them, log in and post. Not yet sure if new registrations work, I'll test that soon. The incentive for getting this done was pretty selfish. I wanted to tell folks about an incident yesterday at work: http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=129 One minor nit is that for some reason this post doesn't show up when you click on 'View active topics' but it does show up when you click on 'View new posts' Oh well, I'm sure other problems will crop up as folks make use of it. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 00:17:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B864A2D0455 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 00:17:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439762D03BD for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so1315937eaa.14 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:44:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=3UAmuzqZfP6W7EYvYxPW3y6vdiSMI0I6Wa+peMI49qk=; b=xOggh4tOGHghqMzEEN0dVRgnyCHsYUtqmwMsKj0r8olFeMdb+nIyBh4K2Y5jxMUssx 6OpOAw7r7NQb6PmnoAfixaDOPNlIro7SxqkjjGsQyNNfWjVvBkZAQ7dDCTN2cUu7A/CO /YNEurJo39giXbDgUcl+K/iuAr0xLNh+wyp7M5DC91dLRgqHIk4OyJzRJk9WqvL+yuSN f4UHQG6Mg6A3/hD3vD5OGZmmsBvQv0dEazrT0T35PhRyROlS2pnT5saf4IWox38eXPSt 3nMSZplhLur4Uxw1NfTiuAwco71+jk7hhfGgSDHJv7plKt4g/jaY2vDB6MCjaI8YmnVJ 3aZQ== Received: by 10.14.47.136 with SMTP id t8mr2570725eeb.84.1337399094764; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm54690968eec.2.2012.05.18.20.44.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 May 2012 20:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 03:45:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120519061718.B864A2D0455@autox.team.net> No conversion at the track but I needed 10.3L/100km to Zandvoort race track with a BMW X3 2.5i. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 00:18:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D526E2D0405 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 00:18:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5632D034A for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eq5dP/VX c=1 sm=0 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:17 a=ADTv-HKrgdYA:10 a=-jrM4J0-CgkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=XspLBuRfAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=rcboClttyLap-2IU9msA:9 a=hG6QryfBeBP3IyfWjLUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=noQjv9YW-iYA:10 a=KTDso90Uc2QA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=bQhAXdUYGtX3aHO85npHzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.123.153.251 Received: from [70.123.153.251] ([70.123.153.251:60381] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 34/C3-05935-21B17BF4; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:01:22 +0000 References: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <622804F1-28A2-4327-B9BC-E0FAF4240178@austin.rr.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Bob Kramer Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:01:20 -0500 To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I too bought 6 charcoal Superlites wheels from the former Pack Racing Wheels, and when I went back for 2 more it was then VTOL. I was able to special order two charcoal wheels from them. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with > > charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. > > I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. > > If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. > > I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. > > jg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed > > > > www.vtoperformance.com > > > they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. > > No idea why. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > >> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just > like the panasports ). >> >> I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and > Viki-Brit shows a wheel >> >> that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who > manufactures them. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any feedback, >> >> jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang@isis.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 08:31:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5FC2D0460 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:31:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1A2D2D01C9 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 14:31:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 14:31:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2012 14:31:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 721884.49168.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52364 invoked from network); 19 May 2012 14:31:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1337437910; bh=tiafJuHPznODszWhTi2Q1ZuOtpqqKLV9TJbnTk2jolM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=o4pRtFWMCofgVA6M4gwEst9BgxeIHPjeCZhYeAMvOvDSbORV5zMBynnMv1hWU1vs7xQE9hgf5+wrxGQVzm4VeC/K8qAQ44o2HGPJpuBVinkjRgesKctZ0vkf4qbWwbZfEJt6f4ois0WOFzXKuYxebzXEDiNB6aiQdfcSBzmv5PQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: uZevPScVM1kIdYbQHeO79vkaYkVmTIMOWgPYeFBdDFcnT5N 4I27GVdPJZ61SHOUE.t4CsTErGP11pVJfE1laZCjNu4Se9Zqhxs7UOi_AXZ5 LlMfZky74j5XVfkRRqP2u8b.s5Bnd9gOuyf8mPkkWJvyoUVEGZvfIY.1.BtP Fx2BEHqZeyIul1VqXCC.bjeB00wiN00MNOauZMRBERM.5G4fPmziXZ9uRrjp 20D2Ft0SJj_I5hCa9PH05ZEBa61IBnPyxYxowYIs8fimXlsT.gYCHp1KzGrd m8LEbjMtUhtxQMgt.U4EgJmu.zfsQbVlaQl8OiMK778Ri6m5LFYxNFuTyz_D 3gpu6UX4litGgAZyGVlGcQhw0EYngg8K.zU8gC6A3ULWkU_SX0WygSU9MKmq JpB7FeVLkOVbXJG2TVhcPTB7Xr3xdIdtAbiJyQ1Q2IpN09dxZ_FvltaISIWx 635OrbYRuxtfpW_kIo11ZUs7F5rSQOTIjBXV0IenS5xLfR3cqycoPmnrO3WD jHJVH3uHsV_C915mSLhvHS5gvrtsYwK_wau3Im1.J55MLxFqtuSGnXOvb847 jmic3.ngcYrvzxgmT5o5Wk92YV5YQ0uII4l_H1NDddAfZJ5H2Bq1Nx6HTdL7 scj1maSr4PJ1auA2mZ6MEOhPUwQbnJMFB8tYfSbonBIapDAZkUA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 2lN4LL2swBDY9Ce0hqffjaDo68BvvIuGYvtE3oi4n.o- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@98.66.180.138 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2012 07:31:49 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: <01ab01cd35cc$26e56220$74b02660$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac01zCYre9asqCeoToOcUb/cEupC8A== Content-Language: en-us X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Thanks X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, Yesterday afternoon at work, I blocked-out time for the dreariest of architectural tasks; writing Specifications. In my trade: no drawing = no fun. The day was resigned to professional atonement; a sort of business purgatory. But I made one mistake. I checked the mail first. In it was your package of rocker shaft do-dads.. and Kas's TRIUMPHS! I presume I don't need to tell you where the afternoon went from there. TRIUMPHS, I couldn't put down. What an incredible combination of high technology, auto lore, personalities and good ole-fashioned sound advice. Being terminally right brained, all the great photographs kept my nose right in it. And, of course, Kas's writing style makes you wonder why his mantra isn't "Never beaten by Elocution." The Mitty was terrific! You are living proof of how much extra work it takes to run an unstructured organization. Thanks from all us FOTers for all the (mostly invisible) work you do for our un-club. Clumsily paraphrased, "Seldom in the field of amateur competition, have so many owed so much to so few (specifically, you & Uncle Jack)." But especially, thank you for the package yesterday. You're a great friend, Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 10:04:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6875D2D04EA for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:04:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E972D0475 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.33.124.2] (82.132.214.244) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4EEB6640176878D0; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:51 +0100 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <02EA051A-A60F-4469-8995-41E646CA197C@virgin.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: TR4 Tony Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:47 +0100 To: Dennis Delap Cc: "bownes@seiri.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My overdrive works on all 4 forward ! Sent from my iPhone On 19 May 2012, at 00:43, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD > with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and > all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its > own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot@autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 16:27:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1320E2D03D7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:27:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707B62D0385 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so5565989vbb.14 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:27:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sS3dS5AANLxXm9+A1bzSOfc0PlwJf52cNvGoYZZtt1U=; b=IneGOXWgc6docreVsp+rC5QtCSmdDhAxzzQMdBwR3k78zCs3QD84Z9l7zxWQ6uStZe Yj0N/RZpIvXcCxjDTeMW0NNQmPUX9aL9iEKhhLdBYHO99t4Asr58qGuHH2bGBlRxdrG0 wahYyJe6FEJNsO6s70mVMK3YLMzuv79kfFyRGhba7RBM8ZJXLas74bUkubKXQX8mGcfb C3/jUvwhbblXXzCb/+dda8uTBNQyKv0IywallcVrYauR9qtjAF3DMIaUbWX+wWxI7qrg BLoj1O5gYJT9+ocICKo6WCe83ekr7pVE4PdBOY99cI2AkV6Ah4oTcV0iUkhzOogMbT1i blPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.21.51 with SMTP id s19mr7345713vde.35.1337466468898; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.131 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2012 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: dick stockton To: fot@autox.team.net X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA Dick _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 19 20:22:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF9E2D042F for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 20:22:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5ED2D03D0 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 20:09:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.228.242.226] (53.sub-174-254-117.myvzw.com [174.254.117.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4K29Sgl030073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 May 2012 22:09:31 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <4C52FEB4-40F5-4C14-8300-507D03263408@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:09:27 -0400 To: dick stockton X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FB8525D.0066, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was there and watched the race from Ceasar's cam. Good fun. Convinced me to jump in the Frey with a TR 3A the next year..... Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, dick stockton wrote: > Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob > Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 08:14:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202C72D0333 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:14:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C196A2D0310 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 14:14:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.65] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 14:14:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 14:14:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 657473.98970.bm@omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47865 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2012 14:14:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337523295; bh=XJi1YVOo/8kxnQlqKdeyIHgowLvm0uKgtnLvjaXhZEc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SLLhAqwAsU7thGUHeBMlnFsQoPtjTOTGsLPGkWfVIrnqF+UBGA0kgyKg0MtI05fnnIOI7GwD73jnLt3IopzPs3tt74RFepjPhjY2eWwC/jYfcP3moeSLRYrWQZziYlOVUuDHaco6Qe98yzw6URjRELYiF8ZC+IRed6kqDfcfe+E= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JB5XTfiML8//RpHpZk/9IfwZaut2I7SIOk74jevowmBFWBx1fd9Abuv+VuOZTdKz5bwtyL+R7dkTXtWmyrQQ7JK08fSZCFUKKZro07cTsmpbLWM9TZOOmJ+v3SzpOZu7A6eQ+WQlvuI6MeUMgBZmjv1N8SIQkPFIn7BMtuMs7Xg=; X-YMail-OSG: G3z9.bkVM1k9sj8D1Yl6ZJ_okF0fL5GtHxHIqWgDPHdJEQ3 wrKVBZRILjLRtILE8vJrxTxbscnow9.XUaZGOjU2rP28ctckCPhiNEb5b_L0 JUs9DGaWroVdaFnrLbCwcFPaXMNY1LThswY3C1VyhVcoaNTmQdPyd3j6xDM9 YOsrjV3FBr4xRtmn207kc6pcaAycsWCkU.VNxRw.qKVWJjY4PxeLpTI7RkGB l_Ti2XiR.NjK_5hg.AeSnexcQtV1PhCPgj6R2UnJfkeKf8XFKV.dRnBsvR5m Hcez5X0u6Yoi8ZN9JAuJkPm.aTX2Emv5v5nQO6Cv7lJ1USm.HPqmdSMGK87m 6SX.6ZctcDs0h.S2fA4AyAJIm1JRXNm7UCsHh5MEZASXH4Uzl2CUrmd2Erx_ KCr8X0uQezXa3otIFRls30XGU.Wa1EOd8vlZgcCbV6eV1.MxuUiRd_PUMqhH x3oRng5ZXivcyczE7 Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2012 07:14:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: BillDentin@aol.com In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin@aol.com" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 09:09:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BE42D0360 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:09:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CC4D2D0337 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 15:05:37 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 15:05:37 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.118] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 15:05:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 15:05:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 613252.42090.bm@omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19510 invoked from network); 20 May 2012 15:05:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337526337; bh=eSPEy3rycQpnhdGut2WI31sVcQlIngXi68mgzxO4mcI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RW/2Oi4HJslLykutgA9jyi6L3/g6GYJnFr4VuUEymfDbi4X9Gd4lC0l3uLNIJmQI9mvFCQ7TL90gZzN+xJoRMQJ0Ad4s1cDOJZCohHmwhiwLkHVJOLtvVX5dZsY0Sx0rv+YsR4ifa5FxOB4V3Wh6s+DFjQjUtqvzpuNMRMHW2L4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: BeVCUdkVM1muHeTvwQ462MUUILiS3ThA03Za3jKVUL_v312 z3tKRrJS_Df3cVYqMVBp.8Tslj5TbapTep2p73JQeptyTjS5VVvvzdE8D2Qz QH4Iq2sK2dFUQLniaw00Ccqs2LWI8jB7GZ8c_znGt_y8i7K1OvMJb.YyKMe4 UnUKe4L_rUYieu9MPqSiBY0ZVbMPMz6ICkLe1l5vGRmQCprp8xgSFQVtcYnQ 3CWbQgfcOHqiltmloHo6kvJHYpHLmlZnquTrcds17z2DMNyv2rlErewkpMI7 11lhgf.WuZkjONbxy9_0okasADK5YJYqayVgyi8jb._S45FdtF8Hq4oJnY5p f8hRAu9SHnztX6pgXd9lzlLVaoTTHYUTWGZ0oXrD8laQFXHZBf2GqDeD_M4C BDLJzW3qc4uQxKrwn6Sn.WGeeRhrD1dWIdQs- X-Yahoo-SMTP: fhSFPoKswBA1Qu0MYZzweGiC3N0dSAP.juSmk79kTA-- Received: from [192.168.1.69] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2012 08:05:37 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FB9083A.2030607@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:05:30 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Manual X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've read some interesting comments about a Tuning Manual by Gareth Thomas. Are copies available somewhere? Has anyone read it? Is it worthwhile? Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 14:40:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90C12D02EB for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 14:40:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7700E2D02BD for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 14:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.39] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2012 20:35:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 607250.40252.bm@omp1039.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8844 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2012 20:35:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337546116; bh=M1hvDqNGl5j8/XxdaVVh7of2oZyOMDwj3ia8J/nUZuw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ewucardqpmJEPhjTPtnQhy9Hxm8wUi52STlUQsHPiR4FiNN39DipsDV5QjhPK8RIQjxCZpcSAro+tr9gu1gVAbxVwT/lGCZMUW7k7EobrRZhsWTkAiXS/9EFgDresMHZn92/l+zw6eYo9jJH+ID0JnTnKlfCMBQtmzJNxHWl1eY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K6fBRIzckaEU7XZ+NaCOx4ps1uE2VwSa5JjnDxPdZ0FwQdhUTg/R5a7pv1/7cr4gllg0LCo5sRRFoWGp7bn+OpA4MTEdqcZwfLzL3mIpM01WRsAaBL/gdhNDNLWnbbP+k2PQIATELA7a97Dke77f6Jw7i4Pp32H3Q3Bqq2MP2d8=; X-YMail-OSG: boyU_mAVM1mF7x62Iv1fLOSmdeKLgtDyoUJlu56R.sckR_V dVT3HQKbF3b6GqUcNJo1W1chTJBVcr_qIEKEPiUuErvGy2rMawz.bgm6cYh0 OFixfO7FBsEOo2qZj8nRVWZVnIieJGgUSqu4Kyp1XTGwkOUzUzdbe9tDvOJK SLKTuIBh.7hJn04sSYc5BTUlKeUxUHO2dcB.a.dwwXuOSnfxhUBrRGCf0rRV qR_GYi23hQAfZ_nKfAvwrSU35wI9wNup9cj9Pv.96rzwTWVlJwxC7XoGpkUi .DpY9EBPrPeFEoMCZSCKCOunblY3eDisazTAR3SmpAXiuVQraY4dVUe_BMxc FZlIqSTkFTbeIwEWmsaqvHTT.t5fckiSNXd4XxRUbt9Knt3yEH78_r6STWAC k9TVSKotzmHicZlBvDS39AHUimEyt_8H6oSGob9rY.v.KspiIkDDY1oYNTHs PtOOg2mOb74dRtqDMeHYgx0xhcOHMQuxbSA4dMZBB5tNUA55ees_qmw8- Received: from [74.143.252.98] by web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337546115.8395.YahooMailNeo@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Munson To: Bobby Whitehead , "BillDentin@aol.com" In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Munson List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I guess I'll chime in. We tow with a 2010 GMC 3500 conversion van with a 6L and 6 speed auto/manual and 3:42 diff. It is pretty heavy with the handicap ramp and equipment but gets 17 mpg hwy and 11 towing the pace 22 footer and no problem holding speeds running through mountains... Steel guides. Mike Munson ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: BillDentin@aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin@aol.com" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 17:21:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BEA2D02FD for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 17:21:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EB92D02BD for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 17:21:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.232.39.16] (156.sub-174-254-113.myvzw.com [174.254.113.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4KNM6CF018553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 20 May 2012 19:22:09 -0400 References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 19:22:03 -0400 To: Bobby Whitehead X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FwKFPK2IpWMY9EeekPaqfg==:17 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=152PrBjkd92X5oQCFZsA:9 a=tUgShTlHXHtoz_BaifEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=FwKFPK2IpWMY9EeekPaqfg==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4FB97CA2.0057, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Beleive me, after crossing the US 3times a year for 10 years with my 250cc MC road racer in a series of Ford vans with headers & glass packs, you don't want drag pipes! Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too > have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) > I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my > gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something > years, always a Ford Van.. > The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far > out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front > doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I > could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a > WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled > over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus > sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I > don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... > > Bobby Whitehead > Vans Rock! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin@aol.com" > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those > grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 20 20:00:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BBC2D02B8 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 20:00:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB8C2D0286 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 20:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so5883253yhr.14 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:01:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=8n1Dgk8bMwh9qIIR3m55YOki4ju5P00B4lL/enVSI2c=; b=ebJTFUjKX4JLHtI/22xQU8I7DnwOc0/TkqYWRrJ7KJuHkg83OohSY1oqFeNCIbG12V p/6Y6M+KKkrIyJ6z/dadm87eNPp3rNQ88fu/tP5DopZbv4sAYLg6weNafMAOuOA3xKns wZ9WJyV3zLj8cPbxbMdMCehk6bS+RA2qBOF7j1bmrKK7afN1T9MAkkPrBQibyB4MO4v0 b1vL6HvXwuyov/0X/PpbAigC26C3h8RWNqGY59+PF0r6Nr2pmPqQCHCxXA6aESjz1Qk1 BfPmZesthpmhk9sGzOxvtAvgBo8lpZW2ju4f7PpaJja/2ygv+NEc7X8ujnX2/hGeB0rt BPnw== Received: by 10.236.114.197 with SMTP id c45mr12022908yhh.114.1337565691910; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:01:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.20 with HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:01:10 +1000 Message-ID: To: fot@autox.team.net X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkEff2Tb9J5kEaVw7uOot94mylH17PFZjjQWgTFsQEa5wUb4u3dU7qsDJGg2Qf7k1BelSZK X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net we tow with a 2007 Toyota Hilux 4 cyl diesel, we have a fully enclosed trailer with car & spares weighing 2000-2400kg depending on what car we have on board and what spares we load. we get 8.5 litres/100km unloaded mixed use (no trailer) and it drops to around 12litres/100km towing the trailer, so about 20MPG. cruises at 110kph on good highway, when towing. Terry O'Beirne Road and Track 66 Pine Mountain Road North Ipswich, 4305 Queensland, AUSTRALIA ph 07-32018866 fax 07-32017079 www.roadandtrack.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 00:09:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3138F2D02FD for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 00:09:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FC72D02C7 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 00:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CW591j0020lTkoCA1W9e0o; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:09:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.11.2] ([24.22.73.104]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CW9c1j00K2F05dU8QW9dPX; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:09:38 +0000 Message-ID: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 23:09:34 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 00:54:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C7C2D02DD for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 00:54:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EDF2D02B1 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 00:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0821C2E02A for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 00:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FB9E661.5020008@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 00:53:21 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire air filters X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Too bad the archives aren't working properly, or I'd suggest you check out the recent K&N discussion on the Triumphs list. I've never been terribly impressed by anything Vicky Brit sells. Years back I knew TWM induction had various sizes of backing plates and filters for SU carbs, have no idea what they have now that they are Borla. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 08:33:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894DF2D02EE for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:33:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BB2552D0301 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 14:33:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 14:33:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2012 14:33:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 893720.65185.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56726 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2012 14:33:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1337610808; bh=ecWchilkpsheVcqOaFK9ioPnCoTPTdKE5qCPud0WxIU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cIsfAwtF9eRE4574RWizstUW7RDXSY+jvc2dC+GulrTaE53eOC6BvqGpe9naPcs5NcbZCoBHhZSBiTqMbMQqIRfS8rnhMqhjP6Zb/724TR7owb3Lu5OsEoyN9/TcxOFUFKpEq5XgfNRJUv6QxRywZZ4UcjJvoeMOdTrr5qxHxiM= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Db3u2ayJeF3GJWm17/F2RFj25pbHYVhEytGxVYve/1shpYQyeDPiiLAMIwr26feDTFxcqLDuYx+FY99KxGPf4+TdA/N4I1SOAr1DRTukIHqtzvNZE23kjo/PCZVi3w2pj2CbaFjC1E0QAbWKwmxELvEEcZ3XKEl/gc5xXxyT7GU=; X-YMail-OSG: nFuRilUVM1nMTGYOtDbPHvmU7fyoKl34dUnFpO9_U4E83xq 6UlNo0_m3DyZohm2a.pIHDnUHDMF7mCJF_N74zbMMuvxwUgAJalwjtWqjIdm HYNZboE0TzkrbuVqEYDhktRgrtKiHU0e6x9RWjqTozA4hPCcKzYqDZl.OwGW HXy_rDoF8GHsm.mGEFQE7kPYZh6qdGoQOrSZpUpLm3xXae8ITtGDgeNk3GoP 8fVtQrEwXlY2oLm5weiNafeGDH.MAfti2YnBg6BYuGY5Nq.Vww9DN2i_EQKS feJzpAMLDrx6wYfSk9mabgg3LkSX76WjAF8HedFmTg4B7gcNZt7rh.ZZwGJw DqirnIhmUxZ1o1P8JOImKrenx_Nx401Lk13pN4apaIH8tby.po.utTVZHGPp UAjBd76UlZxT.FZqA_30Gp2AyiwYQ7pWSDmvx0ZLgxhVeT8hsL5gKDToTZ11 JXj4WVR99a3YC5bigrEgqIKQOCkwboEBc6cA9i22rIODMD4t0va1PEkCaXB3 ATllZjR8aZ1tJLg-- Received: from [71.141.117.150] by web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:33:28 PDT X-RocketYMMF: tpettenati X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> To: Jim Norlin , FOT In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire air filters X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running the really short stacks, or no inner fenders. I'm using 1/4" wire screen wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped with air conditioner foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum tape. I'm sure it only keeps out the big particles, but better than open stacks. Photo attached. I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked fine for a couple years. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 7:09:17 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire@pacbell.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_7518.JPG] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 08:47:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966C52D0331 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:47:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5582D02AA for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:38 -0400 Received: from d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (d01relay01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.233]) by d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EDD6E8053 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id q4LElbUm110482 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:37 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id q4LElaxE011889 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:47:36 -0300 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id q4LElaHh011870 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:47:36 -0300 In-Reply-To: References: X-KeepSent: 28918D07:C706B7B9-85257A05:004E34F1; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1FP5 SHF29 November 12, 2010 Message-ID: From: George Harmuth Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:27 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML099/01/M/IBM(Release 8.5.3 ZX853HP5|January 12, 2012) at 05/21/2012 10:47:36 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12052114-7182-0000-0000-0000018FDFA6 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk could be broken free but nothing. Guess I need to pull the tranny and take a look, but next few weekends are races, won't be home and I'd like my son to have use of his toy. If this is something I can fix externally I'd like to give it a try. Anyone have an idea what could seize up like this in 4 months of dry storage? The flywheel was surfaced last year after the engine rebuild, the throw out bearing, pressure plate and disk were changed then too, maybe 1000 miles since then. Rust on the tranny shaft, broken hinge side pin for throw out arm? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 08:51:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51B12D0305 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:51:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B97A2D026C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so10361420pbb.14 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4G7LTl+S+nf0ALXXwXQWs2NdCuaR8G5+ba9hYXG7gkM=; b=IrgbrNMNcujXgKbgYuy/HfgIRCj8w99PIJzWQfe41G/cojrCWpqr5NRtupBVO16dd1 SRBJJcUY3GNIXS49FQhg9qvLtCZnYckBsmyDendAFLJzy1T50/eOHTHvg7wLq+URiFjc 3F2ZEQ5V8C/3hpO0zJBCjkBk2Y86zJPqbXuXg8llUCHKqgILPpuFFkoyU/h0/h2FweJK FNqwWr7LSMavZZAnMvw8CLyTOfdrnmzkvYKSYalGRjdNQRBqhvNr+p0n5E7LDm5FW15H xgidgliwxkSHwAMdemqD40INetH+fgaO6UurLKe8oqO7Y2ZO+vfPjj4ZLLGmnZ6NwVNN daeg== Received: by 10.68.125.167 with SMTP id mr7mr14444649pbb.104.1337611928610; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-19-144-104.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.144.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qt8sm21328570pbb.32.2012.05.21.07.52.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:05 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire air filters X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) Teriann On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Jim, > > With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running > the > really short stacks, or no inner fenders. > > I'm using 1/4" wire screen > wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped > with air conditioner > foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum > tape. I'm sure it > only keeps out the big particles, but better than open > stacks. > > Photo > attached. > > I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked > fine for a > couple years. > > Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 09:04:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02132D033B for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:04:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E26F2D029F for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so10380778pbb.14 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8hJjrl+EkuMVSfjPZpldi/hvjffLuwWyM+l6d8g8Qpc=; b=MqyEuJVcpk4scfbPqYJ7DTbWip2TCRbjFR6LfvfVDbN5q9tiHZoco3vnE1N7hzCMvv KzxzKoEW1Y5sQeVo1SsHbiCXczU+77jau1GvNm0kUPEAjrWL219Z+eEchfWPbHNwdKTu s1mmMS8ootUv41CicV9pMGFPg3/i7RzbGlsUx1/bnubE7uP6dgZWyRR/JiPAl0ptQe/B h8OybPBJaHn6/CwA1mxueZKHe5DrmRgqyYF6/sdF0TXsutkR67W3v3A5JN970/aTzQWS X5qUusnHyTOS3QsH45rpdTBxuUjJCEcnzR6f74tPN8/9ErQBbbdUHFAf2XIVhpYrT7QD qd+w== Received: by 10.68.212.229 with SMTP id nn5mr21377296pbc.29.1337612692680; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-19-144-104.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.144.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vi10sm23387090pbc.4.2012.05.21.08.04.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:49 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/21/12 7:47 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my > son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine > before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it > out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped > right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the > clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a > seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it > and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the > actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking > around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is > still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying > engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk > could be broken free but nothing. Black brake fluid & only a half inch of rod movement doesn't sound good but it could be a problem I saw in my old Ford tractor when it sat too long in moist weather. Sometimes the flywheel & clutch disc stick together when sitting unused for a few months. If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is going push in the clutch and hit the brakes hard. If it is a disc stuck to the flywheel one or two tries of this and the bond should break loose. Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 09:05:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFC92D033E for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:05:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B482D02A1 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so5949106bkc.14 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=JQ0irgzkV66da3LyXI7xwyhyvIWr+6alPgVQFX+qwQg=; b=RoB3SqcSfP2VG0HDL8oGvDy3T6h83UTQNuvFW33RLVm2a8ZQeEQboVpGpuqtx74WPv zSBQp53DHQRbh8D9yppzPmTWb59AR+nuJoaCn5blbWrDIWKrTKvY7bIpzo+ndPeeZ1rd sLkHbN9JfPcpBuZfFRZ7ObpYumWq/AjyY45YEeejKBQq4z5gJ3/BZZdcR6BTz4KaBb0V NvXqpj7i0asuBqE89a1mlT+aCk7af04oVMz86ulinoVc/EUv3dW1W+eBsSu9iASvCelT ZSC51y7nntpkLFzW4FEFS0dDBZK0ycigjRecyKZZ8vE4gZZLjN+pJzCuz2zFKEvklCfZ nIQg== Received: by 10.204.153.199 with SMTP id l7mr7771247bkw.86.1337612764070; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.193.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu14sm1558107bkc.13.2012.05.21.08.06.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 17:05:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000301cd3763$3c9b8ed0$b5d2ac70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac03YVkc0jbfGgRMR227WB3SDYg+NgAAaf7w Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Brake bias.... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I've found out what went wrong with the brakes. The sand of Zandvoort blocked my adjustment system for brake bias. I would have set the brakes 1 turn to the rear for a dry race. Because it was blocked it was set 3 turns to the rear making the rear end locked at the corner where I ended up. The car did first time lock the rear at Scheivlak corner but I didn't noticed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCaWAKRZND0 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 09:20:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2352D0437 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:20:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e39.co.us.ibm.com (e39.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33182D0359 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e39.co.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:21:17 -0600 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by d01dlp03.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58CCC9005C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id q4LFLFVl146024 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id q4LFLDbH031914 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:21:14 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id q4LFL8ND031299 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:21:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: X-KeepSent: E4D8A1AE:C33BAF6C-85257A05:0053460F; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.1FP5 SHF29 November 12, 2010 Message-ID: From: George Harmuth Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:20:59 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML099/01/M/IBM(Release 8.5.3 ZX853HP5|January 12, 2012) at 05/21/2012 11:21:09 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 12052115-4242-0000-0000-000001BB2805 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 51-air filters X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was using the VB filters on street and race car for years. The VB foam element, even with frequent cleaning, is fairly restrictive. When I was in a situation and I was close to another car I'd pull the elements and just run with the screens to keep the bigger bits out. Last year I switched to K&Ns with short APT billet velocity stacks inside. It was during a double race weekend in NJ. Saturday was run with the old VB foam cleaners and Sunday with the Kns. I was faster (qualified 3/4 second faster, confirmed with T&S) on Sunday and the response felt better. Day to day conditions were similar, hot and dry, but not identical. Overall I'm happy with the change but the design of the K&Ns make it harder pop the covers and work on the carbs. my 2 cents G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 09:34:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69012D03D7 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:34:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813702D030B for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 09:34:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=dLSFGhlMBIkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=swG0UAFc7TmgxyCs9QEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FF/12-29249-4C06ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:35:33 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:35:32 -0700 Message-ID: <145401cd3767$5c55d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac03Yx2CXODfvU4MQt+nnbXH7Q3BrwAA9e8A In-Reply-To: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is > going push in > the clutch and hit the brakes hard. Another approach is to just drive the car a bit with the pedal held down. Shut the engine off to switch between 1st & reverse. Last time I had a stuck clutch, I only made it to the end of the (short) driveway before it freed up. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 16:02:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C652D0270 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 16:02:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148282D01EC for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so13354423obb.14 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:57:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=YaV/kRSTii+USoybsWZeoxr5QptZwSGPdDgGSXkjiMA=; b=kZWA1GQh6Huj9/j38TB1MQq62xY0w57i9FTRmfCq32zNSTF12NPsvNAjRGT+OzXIuY tbxV+5YhG1zbKq/U9T0GwI2F4lMzvIlgdOCwJX4RrnqQNgR5ev/xgw/6WW4sVfhArn5U HfuGajJqaumLrgyvRXHJgQ0dSXHitezNJHqa3fmwb0cm8P0Lg5b/O7zXIXbllt5H9vtl K7vqplPChd2w6DCGL9TYVr0fCTllq3zIOZ2qCV1d82QqotucA3W4ab/TyF4bDA+i0M4q l6FWTKjeS1pl9+6HYQkxwJ73nTnNwehzcycG/5YJXIboP+k/iAMfM+suTUbvkgajq2j4 nysQ== Received: by 10.60.10.99 with SMTP id h3mr2559143oeb.72.1337637448605; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ju5sm16624377obb.23.2012.05.21.14.57.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 14:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Duncan Charlton In-Reply-To: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:57:24 -0500 Message-Id: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> To: FOT X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing MPG X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 17:06:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A2D2D0232 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:06:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BBC2D0249 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 16:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4E00G54A20RX02@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "william r tobin" To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:49:07 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Towing mpg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gang. I tow with an '11 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup, with a cap on it. My trailer is a 20 foot Mission, all aluminum. Weighs about 2500 empty. I usually get 10+ towing. It's the 5.7 Hemi, and will tow about as fast as you care to go. It's also my daily driver and gets around 15 just driving around, and 20 on the highway with the cruise set at 73. The cap is nice; I put spares in it when going to a race and sleep in it if I'm just spectating somewhere. I did the Jefferson 500 over the weekend. A fair amount of Triumphs there, including Scott Jansen who did a great job with the GT6. Nice car. Peter Brock was the Grand Marshall and gave a great speech at the dinner Sat evening. He also autographed my dash; also got my picture taken with him. Nice fellow Cheers, Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 17:36:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CB72D0298 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:36:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8262D0213 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4LNDtYt026180; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:55 -0400 Received: from core-msa002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.69]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 73E2FE000089; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> To: duncan.charlton54@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36139-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF05BE86ECEDCF-B4C-3D3C7@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337642035; bh=BIoIhyIBCXuKDbZ4hvwVAe0wX2xB0jMJ1Vs1IOxG3/M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FSlN4bmsb860OZyiA8Zqm0yhyfcVcIZCSvXk+2L6iAt8z3nNlblhkUYTuUMODubRp LXFIAwgcrwbOr5omYujzLEtaw6MBZ4e1ORxqX2ltxTdlUenTqsyv7TKqg8+yzbiAmf Ks2vIlvV1kiZBDlkSnZw93CH7IA52SDIppCTaF4U= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:442367488:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4fbacc3326e6 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing MPG X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? I was going approach them about building to my spec. I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. Aluminum single axle nice way to go. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing MPG I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 18:24:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15112D0292 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:24:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E602D0206 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so13534754obb.14 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:14:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:date:references:to:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=YT2kLAKw76Nr5oNU/snwmaX+3gFqIJhn1YcbKSvXThs=; b=MpcHSJzMvau92TebjB88b2bNg5dyRo7aBplT1b2E4JT9RgsUR/7bIlQeH3Ofp6aA3g evIB5w5MFbE8jYV+17f/gT/WiNV2oG+nhf3JaStUjguTQzXS/tmr8rQm6UikZUbYNNh4 PQvMQdzhMh5K9IbI7BbPhmcSLtskwwgbhrSCt40GB/IB+ZfsYXXRqhTYqQA9KW1bAz+q xleoxdibxF73o/YSYqGWy3reQiYCbwvkTZDV8L7j1v6k5D3mlLIznAzHZIjke7EVUdmJ MIQ6zTKFT7Pi0UVzxQ+BoXMvMbgI5Y5UB7nNc2IcWLIT0Ek3casFVPB25FDBd7OgmNwX uVEg== Received: by 10.60.154.199 with SMTP id vq7mr20822239oeb.10.1337645680203; Mon, 21 May 2012 17:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x10sm3808592oeb.8.2012.05.21.17.14.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 17:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:14:34 -0500 References: <13346A15-0F15-4961-A80C-71F709E2677F@gmail.com> To: FOT Message-Id: <67CCC2AA-8015-4BDC-9237-C9C045B4F613@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Towing MPG X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, that's them. There are two dealers I checked out, one in Baytown, TX and the other in New Braunfels, TX, closer and a bit less expensive. They sell a trailer with a 63" X 10' foot deck which weighs only 365 lbs including an attached full-width ramp (model 6310) -- but it's lightly built (with 13" wheels, front "bumper" is sheet aluminum stock) so I went with the heavy duty model at a larger size -- the 6812H (68" X 12' deck) with a folding full-width ramp. I has square aluminum tubing as a bumper bar along the front. Before I mounted the spare 14" wheel and bracket it weighed 510 lbs. It has a 3000 lb capacity axle under it and I can easily maneuver it around the yard by hand. I put about $2750 into it total. It's this model: http://tinyurl.com/cuqf7az I felt I needed to add some decent tie-downs so I drilled through the side rails near the back and added D-rings with the mounting bolts passing through some chrome moly tubing to avoid crushing the side rails, and then used a tow ring from some GM vehicle, mounted similarly through the front rail. I put a steel caribineer through this ring to hold a strap to the front of the car and the ratchet the rear corners to the D rings. I do have to jack up the front of the trailer and put some wedge chocks under the rear of the ramp to avoid dragging the underside of the car when loading. Duncan > > On May 21, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? >> >> I was going approach them about building to my spec. >> >> I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. >> >> Aluminum single axle nice way to go. >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 19:49:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC902D0282 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:49:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168D32D027A for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:49:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OMylLFmB c=1 sm=0 a=xuSzmQoJ1jvkAIfTlZRNrg==:17 a=bADDkjKAeCQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MK9FaA28AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=FG4IZ8Z_dyahU1UC6yUA:9 a=WqXhpJgK0vt_y1m4kEsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=DgEMpHN06QsA:10 a=sW-XsbAZ40tE8eD7:21 a=LcL4iicJR2g16Vvm:21 a=xuSzmQoJ1jvkAIfTlZRNrg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.114.170.59 Received: from [70.114.170.59] ([70.114.170.59:49926] helo=BlakePC) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EC/86-27984-DC0FABF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:50:05 +0000 From: "Greg & Alison Blake" Cc: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cd37bd$35e52a10$a1af7e30$@rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac00jM1q9jSW718zQ9KuZ/7T4DvEpQDL1YWQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We got between 10 and 14 mpg in Alison's 2001 4x4 suburban towing the 18' dual axle trailer with the TR3. We just turned past 183,000 on this trip. About 4200# on the hook and another 1000# inside. When we were chasing the Bobs at 85mph, we were getting 10 mpg, when we were leading at 75, we were getting 14mpg. I always tow with trailer brakes but still I am constantly replacing rotors and pads on the front and rear. Chevy cheaped out on the brake package. Don't even get me started about the parking brake design. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:08 PM To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much > regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or > the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest > complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension > under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs > at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending >> entirely on wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >> whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5014 - Release Date: 05/21/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 20:46:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE8A2D0283 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:46:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDD92D027A for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:22:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OMylLFmB c=1 sm=0 a=qb+bvuRBjGCc2aCCpetD7Q==:17 a=oq2yaunh2C4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=asKWeRa45DJSAz4QhggA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qQatJANSkYx93XzUKxsA:9 a=HbyuwM5OK8gdX-DE6bsA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qb+bvuRBjGCc2aCCpetD7Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 65.29.146.157 Received: from [65.29.146.157] ([65.29.146.157:33762] helo=[10.0.1.5]) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 64/B3-27984-878FABF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:22:48 +0000 Message-Id: <66904A44-FDE8-44BD-8E48-2B5C0FEAABBD@wi.rr.com> From: Allen Washatko To: Friends of Triumph Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:22:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Pit Scooter X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FoT, Anybody need a vintage 1966 Vespa as a pit vehicle? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 21:54:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A022D0299 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:54:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AB12D026F for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CrSp1j00317UAYkA1rgoKE; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:40:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.11.2] ([24.22.73.104]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Crgn1j00Y2F05dU8ZrgoXP; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:40:48 +0000 Message-ID: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:40:45 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Wiring X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 22:40:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D622D030A for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:40:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7292C2D028C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41922E061 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBB1961.1040900@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:43:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wiring X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One of the race Spits I purchased a while back [ The one in my facebook cover ] had an issue with the wiring. EVERY single wire on it was yellow. It didn't take long for me to rip it all out and redo it in color coded circuits. MUCH easier to track down gremlins. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 21 23:16:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7822D0305 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 23:16:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A4F2D02C4 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 23:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32762E031 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 23:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBB2185.9090003@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:17:57 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> In-Reply-To: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Do you have Kastner's series of recent books? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 00:24:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CA02D0360 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:24:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A4452D02FC for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 06:24:25 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 06:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.96] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 06:24:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2012 06:24:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 312578.86421.bm@omp1001.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92076 invoked from network); 22 May 2012 06:24:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337667865; bh=oA/oG0TmTHiBeKxNiIEyvc1QEl1f2qybY5Qyb/fKQZk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CEHgPwXNUjn3umnDignZWj2yPAzePvzZIAzjxl76rrgYPbDzuyp7WwPzux20c34K/BjhSi56Liwi9QST9pRVvyFJ1ZQNv3Tc4nfnL7cokcZQSRe02eVkyigyOTIt4gPdlrSOhVEH4M4w1OKAiyftJvCEWWYX1UI+beLeUGAUgFo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: KO5h6KQVM1nIcFm1_Uxy8_i0yd6mREXzQzGansWBaTVmKIM I_i_9vEQAu1CJhBNBf8vNHkq6TDifxH.BHfBGI5SjzG4XmIm.kW.kx.JkKdQ Wo0IDTm.B6sCUFnEYWhijJkESJWWi_CXAYeDS.KHnHdZ9vkkk30WZQBQqMQp FgRAThuI96mVMxXUwfAYj46T_Nk8Qty3pXAvXnW7GB8MoUa8dEcAYcSQXatn ayBiednMEmNaMsDuYJkmY9BK3vxCIOXRYHr3MV0VgxOKG5n1Qj4j9EDPdh3b wF87e9ABIVewR67U3zTK7ToD8FeICyBcbfXvO5xVsIUba1pTre23DappfVOW J.ErIydpB5m1Lb1.vG3FZq_5RSMt.GdF8K6Nykud2SpQBnZkulXndssEZFF5 .q7lnUgGcRxLeEdkxBfH0I0RzKy88MnYN4wjG8_npppNVHCxKBMIbQ2K6beh FaBRYCpZd3G.nFGNjAepYtswhkbe0OYuQRXKCRayiDbdkwFkN.jibX4X. X-Yahoo-SMTP: EHs0oO2swBCLyRHcKZVMKRYD7RPV8Av4q_ii53JJ9GGVODHtnbY- Received: from rocky (rocky@66.142.221.42 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 23:24:25 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Wiring X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Heh, heh, not even the taillights here. Mine's wired up so I have four taillights, including what were the turn signals. Nice when one or two burn out so I still have a couple. Although last time that happened (none of the four would stay lit) we flogged inside the trunk seems like hours trying to make them work. I only got on the track by the grace of a grid chief and a pit steward who thought they saw a flash. The culprit turned out to be not in the trunk, but something that WAS still stock, the button under the brake pedal. So I bought a new one from Victoria British, cheap plastic thing (the original was in a sturdy metal case) that broke when the brake pedal slipped while trying to install it. A second one was installed, but when I stepped on the brake and let it snap back that one broke too. Got the third one to stay together but didn't trust it. It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Speaking of Vicky Brit, just had another encounter with them. Just put new GT6 corners on the car but the rebuilt brake calipers didn't come with pins to hold the brake pads in place (Ted S. found and sent me three but of course I need four; and I decided I wanted all four the right size when I bedded new pads), so I ordered up the set from VB. So what they send are Ford/Fiat parts, which would've worked except they were the wrong size -- 3/16" packaged under the part number that was correct for the 1/4" units I needed. And more, at the discounted price of $9.95 plus shipping of $7.75. Silly me to think the place closest to me (we're both in Kansas) would get them to me quick, but parts ordered online on Sunday that they should've seen Monday morning took 4 days to move 200 miles down I-70 to me, arriving Thursday by UPS. Reordered from the Roadster Factory last Friday. They arrived in Monday's mail, plain ole first class from Pennsylvania, the correct parts at a price of $5.99 and shipping of $4.25. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Wiring > So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the > local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much > of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a > moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 01:26:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34912D0366 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:26:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE32D2C0BF6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B802E053 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBB4052.30204@bradakis.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:29:22 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FOT References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Wiring X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rocky Entriken wrote: > It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case > -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Probably me. I remember after 15 years or so the switch went out on our '87 Civic Si. I removed the broken switch from the Honda, looked at it and hey, this looks familiar... Bought 2 at the dealer, kept on on the shelf until one of my Spits needed it. Kind of like the time I was working on the brakes of my old Datsun 720 pickup. Laid the old pads on the workbench, and there just happened to be some old TR4 pads there as well. That was about the time I started buying 240Z pads because *everybody* had those. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 02:00:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4412D035F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:00:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C9E2D02C6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.214.95.165] (10.214.95.165) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4EEB65B017D1D89C; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:00:48 +0100 References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> From: TR4 Tony In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-Id: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:55 +0100 To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire air filters X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Beware ITG filters with the big foam airboxes ... They catch fire ..... Sent from my iPhone On 21 May 2012, at 15:52, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? > > http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp > > itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. > > I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. > > Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) > > Teriann > > On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: >> Jim, >> >> With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running >> the >> really short stacks, or no inner fenders. >> >> I'm using 1/4" wire screen >> wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped >> with air conditioner >> foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum >> tape. I'm sure it >> only keeps out the big particles, but better than open >> stacks. >> >> Photo >> attached. >> >> I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked >> fine for a >> couple years. >> >> Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 02:19:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAAC2D0340 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:19:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2510F2D0312 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so6825139bkc.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:20:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=Ha+UIzEW6MWPn+mYX/OkPXtqLoKknSrz6k9UQ9/Dul4=; b=vZ9kGMQv66uj5aZjqxPBXkUyJDVGlV4JKDPwHGFliI7hAdITWcuaBdh+VuED/dbM97 yoBX0okowZlJMe+/ECP3gM+Jjq/MdYG+YUE7UUQ4teeStu96rYEhB4qWwntfQ1NpODzZ SP+8VQotKcTJ6RkipIgjCQ/pwoLxk7RUqHC+S3jq2tdknS2qTAXAd0640gjeo5IPHxhI asIDpcQ6dmkWTfGXpLchucM3IQf9+3/ssNEMAasMq1sz+ZlWKblOw/3fWIXJhMdDeU76 b1QlP9ySPTWg7TQ5kCaWt3Bmi2yZWS9NSuQh/2oYt693b8YAJEza5QSYmXUfDqbzfu92 U8Hg== Received: by 10.204.156.220 with SMTP id y28mr9246461bkw.37.1337674811495; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.6.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm30594073bks.0.2012.05.22.01.20.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 01:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:20:06 +0200 Message-ID: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac038Q5KxCJ8EGxAR8GOz2woekWDIAAAom2g Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race 2 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys, a little video from the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRy2ZfDhsY&feature=share Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 07:24:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F276D2D047C for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:24:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE4F2D03EE for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so5703827qcs.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:20:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=Ngh47IN1Bi6o4GfkdPbFjubr3eTvtC+q+XjrOBdJeXo=; b=XLKmGLSLQ7UWRTwL21gdavv1pIh5nszPtkPvhcVquL6dway/ddVuUmbQLcm2E6MKaQ azyYjSULn3jVcNAVmb6/Zss3fUfKol5v7lYBq78UyYwwDjeFLKWzviwzACNJFQqo/Rvi bWL8A+RimBsR6gFfptffH0BGPE8MyIx5FcbnafppyW4dF//3SOV3nLrQtPWDcXv3wRKd kocMJtZIcbSvaWEa41nwFP/S028GEbU9qdbg9hESNPrieH64EL6zDyiW2i4XAfg3QGC4 qPscguipqc9rej9fka3a7vkXMHg7JOZyjK89nQcgKILN/onnxwARzMbAUkjiRyhlKpco qWPw== Received: by 10.60.13.134 with SMTP id h6mr22608902oec.11.1337692828370; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ie2sm3493736obb.17.2012.05.22.06.20.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:20:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> To: FOT References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Message-Id: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 07:24:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768502D04BB for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:24:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38112D040A for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CznZ1j0091afHeLA11MjNU; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:21:43 +0000 Received: from sz0065.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.119]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D1Mj1j0012aB0MY8d1MjQm; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:21:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) From: 4everglades@comcast.net To: Friends of Triumph Message-ID: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [98.226.157.22] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (zclient/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 07:55:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CB22D04D7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:55:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FAD2D03B0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so7247576bkc.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=k0fc+jbg8eCoZWFsoNHJEs4Vv0V7eM/r2UAYPuwQ0Fg=; b=AadXJgUxQ4VTJv0qmhoY+Rf7/k79bLdd/zqLpuaer46UjOdEUlFdChXpLNhawh1Ob/ H/pxbefz4ojXu0rNMhO8UKwCo4tdnvIfVNlnJkUGqZWUKpeG1CwRdIb+eUuyjsu+Gck7 M3p1f6kC1aW496aeqt36+3t++xrYkfVn6+9/opSKhQiDbP6s51HDL0jG7kL/naZFGbh7 dzQq2zMoVnWc24EXpIxCc+QNBFZZ4JgoDQv2jtE+y5Cmr58iJECmhcblnNcEJXOTGjij Do2Xmw9My9AYpPB+3PISIjlr5OIgiu2MDXJIcnaOINZ+msxxD8nEIvM6sUuBLzmzgEYh Fjsw== Received: by 10.205.133.6 with SMTP id hw6mr9041416bkc.93.1337694729578; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-150-203.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.150.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18sm32335417bkh.8.2012.05.22.06.52.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: <4everglades@comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:52:01 +0200 Message-ID: <003e01cd3822$13313d50$3993b7f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac04HmNQ/ayHzqrVTMubJdVMQpJn3QAA2aOQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The seals were never compatible with silicone. Maybe they might stand silicone but most manufacturer doesn't test it. Cheers Chris (Who runs ATE blue racing) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von 4everglades@comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:22 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 07:56:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0F52D03E9 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:56:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AFB2D04C7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so7253587bkc.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=6B+dsghrjicXMLbr6XRKGjN3ZrYi8P+YIdRflXPWHqE=; b=Xb/7C2m/NYkaNEYKmp5fvAsBuuye0bFonuHp9scp7/Ju3EXLy3JmyHBmm0Bc8XtQGk 5j67y0HIuN6lr85z+fYuctHBJktNYE+Ia9M3qP7zavUHfzHbgHRmhEqRQmbh0bopV4Hp ZCJiwDaQ5X6KrDFiZW4Q2cIeublKIu0ZhuySjVdSUy2lytVswl57Q+vmHzxvHzvIahYm sUV5IVyHTND9G9D00Qnryr+Gm4a8SdxnFn5QV7hm7JVJfdGAeTgOnvhWcRCMjYB1Yjg+ J7kBfMNNPg8eRhTQwcg7zS9ro4Rx2KmIiuuAIUhx/WK4LFT9s3O/i+0qS5XrALO2CEx3 /WEw== Received: by 10.204.9.216 with SMTP id m24mr9529307bkm.67.1337694988116; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-150-203.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.150.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm32368957bkw.3.2012.05.22.06.56.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 06:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Duncan Charlton'" , "'FOT'" References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:56:19 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01cd3822$ad37a100$07a6e300$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac04Hlku/Yj4tvCaSdupy7nzT/zf1AABAY8g Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Did you upload uncompressed stuff? Youtube is still converting. I use the MP4 format which runs very smooth on youtube. 30min race takes about 400 MB size. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:20 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 08:02:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24C12D03DD for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:02:25 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFB42D033E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:02:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OMylLFmB c=1 sm=0 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=gMt3lmkmd1UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=PFdzbKdlC1QqJl5ygooA:9 a=7Q1niXl2vqvwGDGvcuEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.86.207.181 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:51530] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 31/46-27984-39C9BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:03:00 +0000 Message-ID: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> From: "Steve Yott" To: <4everglades@comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph'" In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:02:59 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac04HmBVVFXmTkxlRCKJuQjWGDagFQABCrBA Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4@wi.rr.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 08:11:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7315C2D0205 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:11:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D1B2D033E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4MEBKmX020879; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 Received: from core-msa004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.77]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 73558E000085; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: tr4@wi.rr.com, 4everglades@comcast.net, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36139-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.86) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1337695880; bh=Vdopfm6iAtYOBLEv5f/cRUt90JUH01L5KRwRiccUzIE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hAKqYCXQhRpA0bvVwyfjY1JucYKeyjaJDniKF4IyuRPK6ZrgHDbHBvOYJx05X29ww l3byu1paGi00c/Z4Ih+cy0Buj602pGEKT8SZ/eEi4Qh6WB4aP4PgNtQnqJdfB6CibG zSKJtBFW/O2yxwnKpFxjsEnmUa/V9w5Q+jw+ZW/g= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437952672:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74fbb9e880d77 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades@comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 08:27:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B329A2D04EF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:27:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8DD2D0373 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so12107213dak.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h/Rn7g1bZllEsTK6v1bOkLhgo989lNTQN0WKYzgrtTA=; b=onETGmUQW/SsNu5OBrshQETwaqtqYmQylmsNivesng2JYnBKC2k8fkxA/EZItHW/vZ lucBkyTzK31YIzZ1/Vz7Y+AGne0lzqVHeC+VfgFNH4qW1kML8xl1fpPLfT20LSEi9w2J LC5esA8IWM3Lqohyrj7EoMBD5KJzF/O2uSo1ieS29Uquq+HokFcWVAizaRSIu9Dg/OHC C7dlh3NjqHVcllPavGbpnMOg5NzghmvL/XhHNXjkyUDVwJwt/aBaaGQef6gtStvoJ1CT u0B/hAHJbvdtuSCZuioctvInSJUavbS2OhPD92hDi29lZVnABZmsI8j9pOTlwZVJPOEw jaRA== Received: by 10.68.129.198 with SMTP id ny6mr66753785pbb.22.1337696832814; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-26-52-124.phnx.qwest.net. [174.26.52.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tx9sm26876880pbc.10.2012.05.22.07.27.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBBA23D.6010108@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:09 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/22/12 7:02 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that > warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. DOT 5 brake fluid sold in all my local auto parts stores is not approved for use in cars? I had no idea. Teriann DOT 5 Silicone in the TR3 since about 1990. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 08:46:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279DE2D04C6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:46:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2282C01F1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.220.215.221] (10.220.215.221) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4EEB65B017E40874; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:47:02 +0100 References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: TR4 Tony In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-Id: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:09:41 +0100 To: "4everglades@comcast.net" <4everglades@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so it appears to be the answer. Sent from my iPhone On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades@comcast.net wrote: > I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 09:07:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DD52D04E6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:07:33 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s48.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s48.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B2B2D046A for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT134-W49 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s48.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 08:08:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [50.77.43.193] From: Henry Morrison To: fot Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:08:13 -0600 In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 15:08:13.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[B53665D0:01CD382C] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I raced my TR3 with the original calipers with Silicone Brake fluid one time. The Brakes on the 3 got real hot on a good day. The silicone was vaporizing to where most corners were "two pumpers" I didn't brake on the cool down lap and came up behind the line of cars pulling into the pits and I was in a panic as I had no brakes, it took about 10 pumps and I did manage to stop without having to scrub off speed on anyone's car. I changed to something else, now my favorite is Valvoline synthetic. Compare the Boiling point numbers between Silicone and anything else, Silicone is quite low. The Army uses silicone in their trucks so that all those sitting in Germany have brakes when the Rusky's attack. Silicone doesn't absorb water so it lasts a long time. I use silicone in my Healey cause when I spill it it doesn't screw up the paint and I don't drive it hard. and that's all I have to say about that. Cheers Henry Morrison _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 09:53:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1B62D04D1 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:53:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9832D0475 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:53:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ReYS+iRv c=1 sm=0 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=gMt3lmkmd1UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=vx1KxzOUaOkmeCUgUjMA:9 a=dz3YaXL5IcuenKeUI9EA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 76.168.149.236 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 19/7F-07741-986BBBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:53:46 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:47 -0700 Message-ID: <15f401cd3833$132d5d00$0601a8c0@randall> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac04HmBVVFXmTkxlRCKJuQjWGDagFQABCrBAAAPn+BA= In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since > silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. I agree about the insurance disclaimer, but not the reason for it. Regardless of DOT approval, brake manufacturers have to test their equipment; and none of them test with DOT 5. Reproduction parts are a particular problem, since the tests were done long ago and no one is going to invest in repeating them now. I also believe there are better choices for the track, eg any "racing" fluid with frequent changes. That said, I've been using DOT 5 on the street for a long time, and I'm very happy with it. My rate of hydraulic problems has dropped dramatically since I started using DOT 5. There have been some reports of seals that were not compatible with DOT 5. IMO they fall in the same category as antifreeze in toothpaste, someone is cheating somewhere. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 10:04:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D095F2D04DC for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:04:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B952D0475 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:04:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120522160536.DHCR4155.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210.cox.net>; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:05:36 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id D45b1j00B4zsG5S0345bjx; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:05:35 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FBBB94F.0133,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=AfcZYnAgF2wMgsyVoHXEJHNcDIydAXoVI0RlvLuLi88= c=1 sm=1 a=gMt3lmkmd1UA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YjPB7mw8BXv6KeCHkv8A:9 a=-hpSKBJ2SlyqpfkdBQEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: <4everglades@comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac04Hl+8CxMURYtWTIWoEFit2RA1RwAFit1g Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen the same notice and have simply disregarded it. I think the manufacturers have an agreement with the paint manufacturers so they can sell more paint. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 10:26:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC612D04C5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:26:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580B12D0420 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS18 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 09:26:36 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [184.58.113.156] X-Originating-Email: [tlizzard@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Friends of Triumph" , <4everglades@comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:26:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:26:35 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 16:26:36.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[A854AA10:01CD3837] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My street TR3 has had silicone in it since it hit the road in about 1982. Never an issue. Now of late many of my customer's cars, particularly US cars from the 50s/60s, which I see a lot of, have been 50/50 with it. Seems I have more troubles with GM products as well. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 18:28:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FF62D05CF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:28:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315B62D04EA for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:28:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.240.181.78] (166.sub-174-252-149.myvzw.com [174.252.149.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4N0ShqO029114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:49 -0400 References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <9A27218E-A1D8-471C-B6AA-0017C9EA2F78@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:41 -0400 To: TR4 Tony X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=r1DLTJ6I4WNtNSDbWOfumzxcbMy5NL/NTCl1I6dcIeE= c=1 sm=1 a=gMt3lmkmd1UA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fjDM9oXJHcXZzHJ/u6lW4A==:17 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=nlR7ihyYnbyNoDs2f0YA:9 a=YFBY-oKqEzbudEMWJ0EA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=fjDM9oXJHcXZzHJ/u6lW4A==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4FBC2F47.0044, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 10-4 on the SFR. The thing to use iny humble opinion though $70 per quart is a bit much Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 10:09 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with > slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that > only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so > it appears to be the answer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades@comcast.net wrote: > >> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car > and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel > cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel > cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered > a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a > note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer > seals not compatable with silicone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 18:53:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C3F2D042F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:53:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9658F2D0420 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:49:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.240.181.78] (166.sub-174-252-149.myvzw.com [174.252.149.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4N0oG0O028279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 22 May 2012 20:50:23 -0400 References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:47:12 -0400 To: Duncan Charlton X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fjDM9oXJHcXZzHJ/u6lW4A==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=pi0-FN7lCUH0wWX9OUAA:9 a=ULcR72M7TkTMCehTDLwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=fjDM9oXJHcXZzHJ/u6lW4A==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4FBC3452.001D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 19:56:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA392D03AA for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:56:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C882D04EA for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so15758945obb.14 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=rPfO8D3DrvVmP0XwOWMeoIJkOqqVJXjczemLqmuwFNc=; b=mZjV5/sp0IC7ZUHMMYKTcqJBjX+5SgeMEtcrn9+g6jJzQYDakzoI31+XW1T2nLHUmq Y0vwMV1rrCq7BtNPbbGr3gMOGqOKgUJqH2jUBOGXJMX6qK4CSM2B6Epe+/a4+rT2UNq/ 09Xh3Q8XTBU2bdHB4MN/udDo5WbKN75fJsq3Cpo15fThJjyz0EDHD6KT5MyA4pubC9yJ iYawCust45vfrFUdLpCyGoR7UsqKsa8Z9QNsz+SuSbnF0JJ/cmMzzc6intHcGDwOIZ5x tfSA61/m7/vgrFqOtc+BG5NnGAXzzGt6kajMSAmTwfsuy3dv025JjmfLiCw+V5LogIgV gg9A== Received: by 10.182.74.4 with SMTP id p4mr24641912obv.79.1337738168935; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x10sm6098107oeb.8.2012.05.22.18.56.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 May 2012 18:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Duncan Charlton In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:56:04 -0500 Message-Id: <82781F9F-59B0-4A7E-83E1-6199087F5A45@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> To: John Hasty X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Probably the same place that Wichita Falls' falls are... Duncan On May 22, 2012, at 7:47 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British >> Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be >> finished loading in another hour or so. >> >> This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I >> remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. >> >> Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running >> strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore >> video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and >> the Kramers. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 22 21:14:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3989F2D0500 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:14:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D06E2D042F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:10:19 -0600 (MDT) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=D8PF24tj c=1 sm=0 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=rsGVM5gQKYQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=_B8TfPygA2DL7qcVPyUA:9 a=4FSGqSw4Q1oTissrD9sA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=MG4Rcr4xqJIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=fJH13tcWvmBptp2MI9AA:9 a=AVVBPguACPyJZC6-cZYA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.86.207.181 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:50624] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F4/04-13336-7455CBF4; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:11:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , <4everglades@comcast.net>, In-Reply-To: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 22:11:03 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac04JM/OokK9dZRkSQeqNXyw5hh1FAAav3Wg X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4@wi.rr.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe and all, Well the short story is that I was heading to the MITTY and made it almost through Kentucky but was not feeling well and decided to return to home. Everyone tells me I missed a great time. As far as the oil pumps I am very happy that so many are now running on the road! I have produced over 50 of them so far and from what I have heard all are working well. That is great news which reflects on the wisdom of the machinists I use that came up with the final idea. I am currently out of the custom pump rotors and it will be awhile before I get another batch machined. I really hate to say that the costs will be going up again as I have needed to order rebuild kits to obtain the outer rotors. To have those machined is a very high cost since they would need to be EDM machined. I now order the rebuild kits and use the outer rotor and toss the inners! So I should have another batch ready by the end of summer and I would appreciate anyone wanting a pump to let me know so I can get an idea on the quantity to order. PS: I use bronze valve guides that I machine! I also use a clearance of .002" Just had to get that in!!!!! Steve Yott Silver Lake, WI _____ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:11 AM To: tr4@wi.rr.com; 4everglades@comcast.net; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades@comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of 4everglades@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 10:06:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CFD2D0612 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 10:06:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16-vm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E62D2D05FE for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 10:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 16:06:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 16:06:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2012 16:06:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 51302.87674.bm@omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 59456 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2012 16:06:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1337789204; bh=46l00UKEBFwNLwpeYYwRIMWNmdTI+ykyPqkh+VvJAJg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B6zTL0lReYp9MPyp6NUlE86Sg1lCDj/NTRmpp2pecIhhRGQltXYPCg3QYAemgFBeMVurbrEbV0rQEZTEXLL29qPDosyL+yCAbkw/yekaioxI8ZqaJC4mU03whq//7w/U2qDg7prlgqpj/aFmodW2GkCJ0sNHcRNHJqq+W7/Mpas= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qJTi3a7/S7i5E/s2cNYUJnDeStJmLYQLONiwBQC5qEhHxvN/N1kMMWGn8hhDSUAvRWNhUdXuTMH/eeJ1dwUjNTB60EsBv4MAmVrnxPf9e08o6ZzMHj3dD3uabaObX4frpK7vd7u/jhbJJU/W0r/PtbN1GGeTfnCyfR2V75i4Eng=; X-YMail-OSG: P9yg7ywVM1mc9bRq94RzMxa7w6NUjxgjRnJiA61svbpR_KB 5Gccwresh3_hzbAXcXPFMwpTCAqm12e248bwohOQZLw2f6177DInpXuAv08z SB39EaIkfOvl0IR4fYZDrUqO1OfrHqRGRN0K2w31U2.zErUoyjELnEKBH0PX 75i5xk.Msd_i0wRtHQA4EmEyPdWTgzIQIoHS2GcwwEFtyDzCHaMSX3HomJwg SSxKIPKwA6n8jneM.WHVTpKpkHeDSmfG0Kousiv8I6qsXVETRJzLKBAX63Fc GjjO_DmM5JrSuv_kl0TZjNH1.Lg7Y_lRKkEQH.nIt7aPGB2IKu.9rXT6YPVm 8_bHn4qWv8YMqI_NlSDwWt9KKvoAD0U9jQ0X7kZ81AhLVeqa1UohcorOCzEE maNlP1AvCSbCM8QdPstnGMlp1F8i78qW_YhDyJj.Ribntr_FVPBjWV.LENUC PRwkTtvQq2IlyTymBkX0jE2r7QUI6drSXmEwyUuhw2Gt3DJlbwzfRYWz8wwZ UfzoMLA-- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:06:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Duncan Charlton In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline GTA Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about 6:00 a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in support.......... Bobby Whitehead onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM Subject: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 11:59:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8592D0643 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:59:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77182D04F8 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so2924326eek.14 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:00:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LWaPUOC0TWycvZcaZtQrFdfrpE9Ntq2yjMGe9A+iFfQ=; b=HPy0pCyAe69Dh90dBk2k82nV1s5m+4YXu5zQV7Bb8qljTVWHdlDKaPy8SxeWEubKOi dav6mI9tw/j484rh7TZ5ltSP7rVni9w7dB3c+ABeonL9xEdt/dKSMkD42VIT9YWXZW0M FnRFF4KlMPVy//tddNmypbtKTcOfe/DQlEDsNQ4cIb8RDynJePLZVsJO19/L76NPWSR4 ta7bnj/3un8f1G0GNQJJKb9UKMzvFcMTyGoQZpeB0xsIW1GPlafvK3nl+yGTfJKFXJ6C YL+OzDYF0K+YTdP2/acw8osxVUtdXMnPgmSxAAAbpqEcWvp1ItJMEO/4y3tETfGyppxk JlZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.7.141 with SMTP id d13mr1719708ebd.13.1337796004841; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.178.200 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Deanes To: Bobby Whitehead X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline > GTA > Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about > 6:00 > a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in > support.......... > > Bobby Whitehead > onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM > Subject: [Fot] ECR race video > > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and > British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to > be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down > substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 12:38:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104BD2D0642 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:38:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7562D047B for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so9875995yhr.14 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=0HJ7QfIBdAsc5mfhVkonD3H7ru7zgqsy8/BnEklSeiI=; b=yX+qc9gUw/w6UhP+3uBQfwIBnwbzTMh9AGQOTF/fNTzjpT4baTdIejKwWgBCbkez/w v+lNXob/1UW2p4dH5zDe4Pfht9hUjqRw4Pm9lT6Pk92jtfRuT+fpJ5stQNtxl4P+9IQe G/4u0Xuax6CkW05zTuZc3ItwviSI+qbSKjIILTXMx3avJijRhVF7PhqVJZrLl0khwZan jP/z5wH1H+CjeYbyYALA7eCfq0v/ClpmvFgbcbDU15REkWv4CJYtNaMGak3pSXFneXMo 8XKMJKAcEEK7do0nxSKR4cuCVp7JmMQcbGhSz1EGVFEhMvR0HBI/RXm3oGfVycWTrNUr Z4lg== Received: by 10.60.27.199 with SMTP id v7mr27230114oeg.37.1337798218411; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch5sm21740458obb.16.2012.05.23.11.36.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 May 2012 11:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Duncan Charlton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:36:52 -0500 Message-Id: <77016B34-A28E-4CCC-B649-2A120D604FC3@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Robert Deanes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] ECR race video X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, the GoPro Hero. Duncan On May 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 12:46:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39A2D064B for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:46:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E722D03D0 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A0B3DBB017E; Wed, 23 May 2012 13:47:15 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac05FHVlgjv/Zo+qQxyQ9cSeKdnf6w== Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve guides. My apologies! Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 13:53:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7257C2D063D for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 13:53:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAC82D03B3 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 13:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so2963902eek.14 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:54:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3SC43fJ+T7WvrutTcwCSrEu1P2v0lboJvnV94KxAfH0=; b=SmHsTJaYbN/Be/GR+WGNA4eymyzuraE2ZduCc9408wBzFG1zl+E1gZEZGT/N2u6NG3 YkKf9+ULRxinu4mw/oG4OiayxlvGxkhNCAsi+DPz30noP25mt6Nr2mnZ4kjh77t11FSL WThJvpx3AD7tPYoYWrJqh59ccntpC0Xzdf6Enc/NXx2iPpgu8YGutj+PVotn0aWMCYmA afKefJeZBjZM55UbRaOeHVzTv5BBj7flVszkS6TjT9SpoYQhIkV7YYpx6MtW/6q5QjjI TnxIeQVNMSd/OA2Pnl42DmsgNYvyW2bRpHQ1nEUvbEosluwFljkTlU1mn07CNPLoUltn 0Xow== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.127.130 with SMTP id d2mr6268975eei.82.1337802851637; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.178.200 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:54:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Deanes To: Tim Murphy X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Dumb Question X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net there are no dumb questions.....just Triumphs and owners trying to go and faster...and everybody has an opinion of what works for them and willing to share....that is what makes this great. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. > Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve > guides. > > > > My apologies! > > > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 23 17:06:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5602D0437 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:06:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF13C2D04E0 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A302E01D for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FBD6E0B.4060800@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:08:59 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dumb Question X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've certainly seen some dumb answers on Team.Net over the years! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 15:53:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1565E2D03F7 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:53:51 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C20C2D03CA for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so423243ggm.14 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=XhBKX5VOhthRonQOIVleNN2sZaEujQKg2bHDWhPtIgo=; b=ps1JrCDv2irWlZtx9opy6mWoJXB6qS3XCfqRD/TXvNECARC20fAWRKKyYtNLJTo1TQ XkcQgBVIL3d4NDIGuUOOT1VSyB7URlnn1WhCPK7xUPbMgUOqwvT1AX948APsd3gi9xt3 XFQLIwnsbC5xQ5Liw9NaC3eFduPnoyT4oJ1kGqpo8UVXnn3rop3jBJWFAYx9Ml4bY1UB 0Ykj+HQDwjoykQ7/JdHrz5dTB6cz0aqXjJBDx8FJ4YMO3adSswU5PgWWPmqdLoKZIOLt efnuONNxf98fZqBhfE01/FWcbe9tNT0aAu1JqnHLzx8ptyo7RkZPIU13O/27YbCLdPm8 ExYg== Received: by 10.101.165.25 with SMTP id s25mr448390ano.48.1337896469325; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.20 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:54:08 +1000 Message-ID: To: fot@autox.team.net X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmTjh895aApLVvBwvXz40sc067BKFcaCk8w0bqj+C1D5qnZ9j5gD27D+nX/PQZgafegUUDe X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Re Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net care! there are 2 different ratio sets. one assumes there is an overdrive to split 3rd and 4th. the other was just a 4 speed. I have all the ratio charts if needed over the past 30 years, i have broken several 3rd gear pairs from these kits and now cyro treat all the gears. I'm down to my last new 3rd gear pair . The Dolomite sprint had a unique (long) input shaft which you have to cut & shorten if you want it in a TR. Expect to pay good money. someone in the UK re-made a batch a few years back, so they wont be cheap. At one time, Moss UK were selling some specially made input shafts made for TR6 with the right ratio to match the close ratio gears. Thankfully, I still have NOS 1970's stuff from when we worked on the race cars so i dont have to bother with dubious quality re-makes. Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 17:07:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C972D039F for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:07:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E0DF2D0390 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 23:08:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 23:08:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2012 23:08:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 495783.6653.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36118 invoked from network); 24 May 2012 23:08:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337900892; bh=WdB/JlWYklcptdjC1KNNaZ4PvIDbTb6eG2NrFvnE4/E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L/4GL18/mrvOhl4oLD0V+eZBEkgkGOMBOHpO9IdMsFs4dMaSfEHt9izxAqO9K3lFAt8zwL7uIRlMc8ObmV8yRI69Y0y84k+4VD4sZoGlzU5cJk9js32BueQL9dnZjq2SSfSai+sljSxI6TseKMqeiWHfxKXaa5e5wFfKnadVHIE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: oUuJZiUVM1l7tZhNHVZKAFkvhIp7OTnVM5OBVlkBdjNElyR MbNCkN1LKznyT0lkd4gzzHQG.c.UhJUClUYwhDxp2p0tXspgWjlb8SafpBe2 wIQDj2.STTY4GCGHnisgvd5bnfUVitYcEqfr17xZeorZFNg8AYqNilGL1_ud lLipOxHeibOzrHLTEdpdWdGmCduE19hl9NbpQbMvCi_uidsCrkMTkNHOKAti _b0lAt5ZhJ3JpZ0Bi.0g307li.hpKxnYd0ADdY8QmVhW1U9gBLVLybiUNm7g wUbiB3EOYNPs6BYeqVISffLiSS1Txb9liJmL8Q7ZIlYNEvaDOfHbmEW8dpdd 4xqJQ5SsKjZsJ3LUZ7wp4RAl9YHO0uBhSFM_9pL.cN.0Js4b9xPcvZ5wq6eZ JrlY5n5JtOgxg3AlsguBHKEb.tfnkcZVpZ43nRUF2ZjLLxyqKXDAXswF2pv. 5jnftcRXZ3Cl1syQTNK_a5snQGe8RJV48qxcFFTivh4T8 X-Yahoo-SMTP: fhSFPoKswBA1Qu0MYZzweGiC3N0dSAP.juSmk79kTA-- Received: from [192.168.1.69] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2012 16:08:11 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite gears. Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have experience with these guys. Thanks, Larry Young On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > set they care to sell? > How about just the gear set? > How about just the third gears? > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > than we ever have > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > $1000 [too much]. > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > contact there?] > > > Thanks, > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 17:42:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B31D2D03FB for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:42:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820142D039F for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([unknown] [96.240.185.138]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4J00GVEWJHLYG1@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 24 May 2012 18:43:06 -0500 (CDT) X-Vipre-Scanned: A4C27672002EB3A4C277BF-TDI Message-id: <4FBEC788.4010308@blacksburg.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:43:04 -0400 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-version: 1.0 To: fot Subject: [Fot] needed: TR6 dimmer (later style) X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dudes and Dudettes, Does anyone have a later-style TR250 or TR6 dimmer they no longer need? This is the "D"-shaped dimmer, not the early, rheostat-style. It may have been used on Spitlys, too, I'm not certain. TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 19:32:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B52A2D041B for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 19:32:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s40.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s40.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D212D03C4 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 19:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W23 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s40.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 24 May 2012 18:32:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: , fot Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> References: , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2012 01:32:51.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CC123F0:01CD3A16] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > From: cartravel@pobox.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > gears. > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > experience with these guys. > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > set they care to sell? > > How about just the gear set? > > How about just the third gears? > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > than we ever have > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > $1000 [too much]. > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > > contact there?] > > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 21:27:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D95E2D0383 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:27:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C7C2D03DB for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W58 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 24 May 2012 20:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.190.8.243] From: MARK J WEATHERS To: Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 04:27:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2012 03:27:42.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[57E07AF0:01CD3A26] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Paging RodKent X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rod, please contact me offgroup at mark@excalpm.com Thanks _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 24 23:21:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7482D0425 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 23:21:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24572D0387 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 23:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E5EB1j0020QkzPwA15LNMC; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:20:22 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id E5LJ1j00l3UuT0T8N5LNky; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:20:22 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:14:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac06NUU7TqHk4SbCT9GPEL1wlHUjxg== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] RMVR Spring race video from Saturday X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120525052134.DA7482D0425@autox.team.net> This was the first race starting near the back after forgetting my transponder in quali. I was testing a new camera mount and it was a tad low. jim g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnMjuuwZXc8 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 25 05:22:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46942D0438 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:22:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s19.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s19.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFFF2D041B for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT136-W9 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s19.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 25 May 2012 04:20:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.24.234.40] From: Sam Halkias To: Kas Kastner , , Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:20:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: , , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2012 11:20:36.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[68099280:01CD3A68] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I still have one of those original factory boxes that I've kept from the 70's. It's for sale but it ain't cheap! IIRC, 1:88, 1:42, 1:23, 1:00. Sam Halkias > From: kaskas@cox.net > To: cartravel@pobox.com; fot@autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory > made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > > From: cartravel@pobox.com > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > > gears. > > > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > > experience with these guys. > > Thanks, > > Larry Young > > > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > > set they care to sell? > > > How about just the gear set? > > > How about just the third gears? > > > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > > than we ever have > > > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > > $1000 [too much]. > > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an > email > > > contact there?] > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chuck Arnold > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 03:01:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AD62D05D1 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:01:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FBA2D04BE for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 02:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1063544ghr.14 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 01:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=vIsInj+ueUgrHaJ3Igxf4ulDZz+AwlUX0sL76MoTU7k=; b=PLX8qK9K2l/GiItezldHfzjgu+wQgj3q1GglkGNu/WGYbfJElXNYFBrSQGHtCyQJbA 2cWybfeFG/nDZphkJ2duaIdwptv7Zjzy7bOvcp2QDTVMUJRfCOHiDuDDlPoH5uH4Fxy6 G9Z8CgNJHmPXQBeF3ImdpSQFkzeLlEbYlmc1T8K+wu6/EbhmQVt3jPPZNmCyucIQshhd p84mBcv4wBH7JDENIIlpDZYJC6tRlw+reAxCIfhu6wPI91K+egOBeZz9GrOcO+1VRMKL Q+g9j3BLgJkRfvNGC0fEkNZMfSa2DQHTlrX9qgufULCAUm+uaoKuSDXACskKiCzxvIPU HzXg== Received: by 10.236.75.234 with SMTP id z70mr1708680yhd.5.1338022729243; Sat, 26 May 2012 01:58:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.20 with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2012 01:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:27 +1000 Message-ID: To: fot@autox.team.net X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmqTn2nFWbDao6fmTKW5md67D63atDgy0H65B9r1J/6FBowDHQMijbvu7be8bJDGPdK/gNt X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] chasing some TR250-TR6 parts X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i'm after these few used parts, does anyone have any to sell? front lower shocky dogbone plate. the part that joins the shock to the lower pan left lower trunnion. would really prefer a new genuine one diff front drive flange and the solid spacer that goes behind it distributor micrometer . this is the part that fits in when you dont have a vac advance unit rear brake adjuster wedge 4 rear brake shoes hold down pins top rad hose "T" piece that takes the vac valve (late US market TR6 only I think) kilometer speedo pair of plastic cowls that cover the column switches (dont care if faded, but must be not split) thanks, Terry (australia) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 10:27:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B167D2D0504 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:27:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD99D2D02EF for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 10:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EgS71j0020EPchoA1gUWyc; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:28:30 +0000 Received: from [10.107.208.79] ([166.137.11.71]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id EgU01j00J1XyE1A8MgUCEH; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:28:25 +0000 From: Steven Groh X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:27:57 -0600 To: fot Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs victorious at Jefferson 500 X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Triumph Spitfire of David Gussack scored 2 class victories and one overall victory in the Jefferson 500's Lola Cup at Summit Point while Steve Groh, following an engine rebuild by FoT member Russ Moore, claimed a first and second in class, and a second overall in the Lola Cup. Awesome Triumph showing!!! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 26 16:56:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9AC2D04D1 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:56:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D062D03D9 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4QMuYmI000381 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:34 -0400 Received: from core-msd002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.5]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A7352E000086 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36216-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF09A9EE6BB6B4-1F34-203E6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338072994; bh=8qTCN1r4rt2qjhQPX7j51mtpamss11jOF2nZdeX8w5k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YuODEWiA5AvLts0cKeNCq0Iq18Nw1VEkn/8bD3F35L3BdMtLbu6jKqAzcopi/9xsg aV0pe6IBV+zspIUWi9iFPlAv2L02vruL223glWEfgm+LZ5BzWSb2oNAJepBqSpf/P0 9bWQNumIysEWXGv+enNRICdYxhTAiMenuIQ3tdJk= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:211111520:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4fc15fa20acd X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS @ BRITISH CAR WEEK....anyone else? X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John is heading east after a little respite for GRACE at MOSS. He called from Tucson moments ago and is en route to see FOT Henry Morrison. Then, by Wednesday, he will be at the BRITISH CAR WEEK at Hot Springs, AR. FOT Tom Chandler and I will be there. Anyone else?? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 27 20:51:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16ACD2D0291 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:51:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D0E2D017F for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W97 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 27 May 2012 19:52:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.132.139] From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:52:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2012 02:52:16.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[E437DD10:01CD3C7C] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Engine Transport X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased a replacement core for the engine I trashed at the Mitty. It is located near Reading PA and I need to get it nearer to Northern Ohio, just a bit South West of Cleveland. Anybody with some extra trailer space going through the Reading PA area to Mid-Ohio next month or PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) in July. Or any time else.....? Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 09:22:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262B72D01D8 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:22:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0982D01BE for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FSsU1j0031bwxycABT4ZrS; Mon, 28 May 2012 15:04:33 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FT4V1j0093UuT0T8eT4Yyd; Mon, 28 May 2012 15:04:33 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac084lrecuRGntqoSQiDWfIzXUm0hg== X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528152247.262B72D01D8@autox.team.net> Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 10:39:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7712D02CA for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:39:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768EE2D01B2 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SZ2vu-0005He-H6; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:36:38 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:36:27 -0500 To: "Jim Gray" , From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528163954.BF7712D02CA@autox.team.net> NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 10:40:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F382D02C7 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:40:50 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192762D01AD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF0D2E025 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC3AABE.4010200@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:41:34 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net For points I gap plugs to 25 thou, 35 - 40 for electronic boxes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 10:48:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725812D02F9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:48:56 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1202D01D9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4SGnWfJ006708; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:32 -0400 Received: from core-msd002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.5]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8285DE00008D; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> To: tony@tonydrews.com, toodamnfunky@comcast.net, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Joe Alexander X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Compuserve WebMail 36216-STANDARD Received: from 173.215.6.203 by webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [173.215.6.203] Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338223772; bh=82D6Q1q33HtMq3TvFNy07Z+PeOQ/uq/zWT4JEWtOCY0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kVboGUEu6mOr6FH4odiNseQ5jXhGelfwjAT2YW3fDzw1oFiCd4RIJ2X4PZW3wlXNO GHmtUNpzVRNN5c20xCk1NsUiU9gbvTNsmb9e6aRx34p/3nQGyiwNZMtBSqzoctCSLW 2LVJQMfJSAQ0MD3Noz66NtqcIo66yj1KIe4ykQeI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:506401920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494fc3ac9b7eb0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net These should be readily available at your NAPA store. The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Jim Gray ; fot Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 10:56:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082F82C0C87 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:56:34 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D762D01D9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:55:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.233.86.139] (103.sub-174-252-180.myvzw.com [174.252.180.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4SGtGeG003776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 28 May 2012 12:55:23 -0400 References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <6FA83401-9E37-45BB-B050-D0DA0D0FC069@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:55:13 -0400 To: Joe Alexander X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=qXnopIQob64JffIXGyV7g7KJCUbxi3Zd50BiYiY7wJw= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ltSvbZ18S5l9V5CooL0gJw==:17 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Cx71f2_E4kEpPTFSWpUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=MG4Rcr4xqJIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=ltSvbZ18S5l9V5CooL0gJw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FC3AE2B.00AF, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Our local Advance stores stock the 7's & can have 8's for you the next day. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > These should be readily available at your NAPA store. > > The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: Jim Gray ; fot > Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs > > > NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. > > Tony > > At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >> ignition info. >> >> Thanks as always for the input. >> >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 10:56:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F194E2D0277 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:56:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9112D021C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FUhC1j0010cQ2SLA9UxVrm; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:57:29 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FUxQ1j00a3UuT0T8WUxUFo; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:57:29 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Tony Drews'" , Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac088AxQFfGxR4z6SNykyWVcGiuFhwAAe96w Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528165652.F194E2D0277@autox.team.net> Tony, Do you use any type of MSD ignition or enhanced spark ? Thanks, jg -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:36 AM To: Jim Gray; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 11:05:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE712D02D6 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:05:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9510E2D01B2 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:05:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.233.86.139] (103.sub-174-252-180.myvzw.com [174.252.180.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4SH5mKO022016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:51 -0400 From: John Hasty X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 To: Friends of Triumph Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=r1DLTJ6I4WNtNSDbWOfumzxcbMy5NL/NTCl1I6dcIeE= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ltSvbZ18S5l9V5CooL0gJw==:17 a=UvnH1qCDHEopyhhe3psA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ltSvbZ18S5l9V5CooL0gJw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FC3B072.0008, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 11:11:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C8F2D0298 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:11:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4161D2C0D2D for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.42] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 17:12:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 150431.32306.bm@omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 75858 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 17:12:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=FYPbcwQpddV+k82lQEClhNUO50pZzg0QTNN499/QIemz07Xn9vXqgylNv/TnjM7fUSiRjjKxvVJSETdM+uSSeCeoaskWYLIu6ietEnkb9UffA6NQeWNx1aV3l+54QKYbxE+tfHgB8uVnZZIqWjmRHg7xmUBlLsSEAANoZRcGkyM= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338225121; bh=RxmCnLT4QjBQUAgEOZJsugctrUC/i4ue8l7cLcxQcRc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ZrMdi3EuoNTT491Mo6KbjI9QQzVq5lhtBW0iytOCjUGC+yfBzW30M/YoH8nRkRnDNRI1wgZOgJfSVlPUF2PgWGNUiV3jnBm/C3w9g2YZe9BTU3ZRpZMC+mpg/97VZfRQU589NpZFUaS99JXe05HaAjMoBs8w1Km5Wi43dxNg/AE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: m12aWIsVM1keCm5rwq_P_PNcPQ40xbEDeRk7Ez0VjS_0kB6 RdLjrlfsbnBFtEno6b1EwuV4A7BdHWKF3UUWX4ot1OE6Y57wow8yqGC4CnYv t6G6vR2tghGDhxMMST8k_9gbDzy_Ok6geaZz8lD5qORsYaZBER7o_YfJL8Jf cKukODbq2NrUtgVOIpz23DLwI.h6PrbmQLqa28ex3OXnOgr_zARPH5AdFXdL x2_MvzddSAXX18Td0LsFprfDmIL.BiUE1.Ro4J89nRllE6iCn52tpjwimm7K Hwo_tFVA3DZJEK1xwVD3.tEF6nT5LUiKDzhaofn8dU7fYZWXKXY57xxWYVg3 Lt5o5SFQ6mFRNzKhnLE77B34PI37U_yudNXXXVnTorg_9BYg8ERluZxkgIrW bAHQtH6JHDq.LoqBORknqOi.09y1rCJD6vIlk3kDXkJENMS.454ImZgT.Iub PcB119dwjgEVONkklEl8PFgzLM48f67ZzavuuBTNLgFetJnLJ0l8TjApn2cI R X-Yahoo-SMTP: NG64.Q6swBAG_6oajxtFkMG273sqQzAxQIAr Received: from [192.168.2.8] (tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp120-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2012 10:12:01 -0700 PDT References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Tylerpthompson Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:11:58 -0600 To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What carbs are you running? I run a Holley as well. Set it at 3 and it doesn't go up when running. Also running HS6s. I has to go to MGB float bowls so that the floats were oriented front to back and not side to side. That solved my sputtering in the slower turns. Ty Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 11:22:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415312D02BD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:22:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073942D01AD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SZ3eP-000781-6A; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:22:37 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:22:26 -0500 To: John Hasty ,Friends of Triumph From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528172203.415312D02BD@autox.team.net> After much experimentation, Jack and I ended up with the combination of a Holley Blue fuel pump with the Holley low pressure regulator. A common problem with fuel pressure regulators is that there's not enough pressure differential between input and output to reliably operate the regulator. The Holley Blue puts out 14 psi, and I have it regulated down to a rock solid 2 psi for my webers. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1135 With low pressure pumps, we repeatedly had a problem where fuel delivery would shut down at the end of long straights and we'd end up pulling the regulator to make it through the weekend. Having high enough pressure to operate the regulator seems to be key. Tony At 12:05 PM 5/28/2012, John Hasty wrote: >What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly >and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when >we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of >the slower turns. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:20:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8652D02BF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972422C0D47 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:35 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G/82eXKZnZQKDmYjXlbgOmS1zWV1vQEaQmyD9SnhdU8ykdSyFYFsEOuUAQudCRU2; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [174.28.191.101] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZ4ZH-00015x-FG; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:21:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Message-Id: From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:21:21 -0600 To: John Hasty X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ELNK-Trace: ac30f6d0b323a5acc5c7b6c64e756277239a348a220c26098afafe902da58ff811c2f97a230cf68e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 174.28.191.101 Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:21:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6982D02CD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:21:45 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229E92D0206; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so1096962eek.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=/InipgdR4Jlx0nw+FfqBNtr2vX7nIxX/U7eOEaSXVf4=; b=O7Z10p6vKY3nb22wFE/HOjPPHL1GOB76lpSHdtxFZ6dpm2Nwvu76LVlQgtvteotbED Cy3BQqadxfYGBD2CN1SUlE3p/frhCZ6Mr93mNNTXI6DhKNkK4nYFKf80rg/QORmb4heY btdIffQxoTJAyxmD37N0u0Xs3FX1e5rMaVYnhv2L70PySsOd2W6ClErAKMafYizpIE+9 JpZJeSIj8230k61Vn/b+sfn2TRdEkfXmU9Fu6/nXP5rJUNSzZU7gCOup9oNYlNCDutW7 T9MDxwBShzP5mLnE4lgW1aNqqbpvX59ULX+p2Cpiuw7gRnSr6jkDoZzAfMFJBhJSG/Si F8Sw== Received: by 10.14.127.138 with SMTP id d10mr2430877eei.171.1338229346983; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm12226174eeb.6.2012.05.28.11.22.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 11:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Jim Gray" , fot-bounces@autox.team.net, fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:22:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528182145.3C6982D02CD@autox.team.net> I use BOSCH Super 4 WR 56. They have a long thread so I have to use a brass spacer. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 16:58 Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:29:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F6B2D02BD for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:29:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8A82C0C9A; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so1080832eaa.14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:26:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=7Mk60cs2bPcq/+o4tahnkF0MMfeLdojyUD236SuYFII=; b=pgKOWukLl/quAhHjUN6dAwYxJHXr5BWdT9EohHhO6QJ1SPJ55gRiYTv2KpZGPcm3UU LZ6NSY7ZG/ioH/rJ7GuAlmrMs2SVseYE+rF+Y2Di5N2ggpTmG2xrKGatlag02B790K86 BVgv0mxmIi3+k7s4JqMB+Vgky7OOm10W8SfrS+1nx7cHsStWVeMxmocma8aiLwmri8i/ e8X1LndNXsJkVRm3iyZmrxTUOUA/Awicb6NknesC9hoU9uAg0ymkungsz2wqcgVpUCz6 ScD7cTsM6+Y7OWYwrVZSs/W+Tnt2KHolSBZpRFHPMhxKC1QSO9vnnaZhXCgzdImjxvm8 lMEQ== Received: by 10.14.99.132 with SMTP id x4mr2671885eef.1.1338229618251; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm40045787eef.4.2012.05.28.11.26.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 11:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Hasty" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"Friends of Triumph" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:26:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120528182915.69F6B2D02BD@autox.team.net> I try to keep it simple. I use a Mitsuba fuel pump, mounted next to the engine. That's all. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: John Hasty Absender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] FP Reg Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 19:05 What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 12:38:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CED2D034A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:38:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B2E662D02EA for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 12:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.74] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:39:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2012 18:39:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 299139.31904.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88721 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2012 18:39:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1338230361; bh=EWfQG6loSxBFpMkzr5OBIm1lnEmaRASP+Ba5MNrFWW8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fJY9Y202b2k7nef57yR+XFisSEgTCZJ3K2dbQQzgj+UdqjRIz2av5gaHyqGoHuI6+b6llkD+ZKqh+J7H0G5OYHAs1DfxHKpT2Ado/UNk60u7sTEoq5bcj1gY545zOaj0ty7tZW0l9QdJJUPQfkDB6+jUrDKvAfRWv40k5L463+I= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WnrYer9ArNjpIK/uoKRqPV3+nsLbWyp5VRextSMtjqrX1uCA0MQzyDSFYkU8zVYLji6NAcNr3mGOUqM6YTuBgzi/9YwSAKkMZ5Ds+IkpdGSQ1EV3cE6MxrD5X1jOqdaoonP7LxrvCO5+sEFOJBJcKs7KOzvV9JjLIqph9FtekUs=; X-YMail-OSG: Tiiga38VM1mb4uQ1Sffa_9vQbHtVc9qWiQS98kanD_pBxQr GPsGTdAWrilpxX0zBorKJe6EGYoj_QQJEUgBAQ0hw8z06KrcAXNdD3XJ_Dnm 7N2Bd4dV73IaqrVGZjgrfwz6bqtXh4pU34wQv27HhX35fbWrcIitlFkUIe8E bzdoFXJtiUtNWnguJ05FFiPvdtAeZLKbFTUiOO4LaO1yAU0JxsUl7PFO8px8 uxDDeP4YvfE_iABQ2CBY5N_FFbJNjfNz._aKXWQdDjQgU_63POa235ROHjbn i9th0.2Yp24IVG058IkHl5sb5_XzQHNVZcLJpsqSOMgAHnRC0I1ngqB2sflY m16AzsPW3wA6aXpl7PstJ9K76geD4legDr1UFxHyK8InxYRaHAiNhtPfBBXX KuWRUyouhRYIPHOeqeRefGvMBydvgl9AK.dzSdcbJl3F0Ai8GP02.oLI1I_N YjZBlEMvhaYQRAajFNAJwtL8RzsG86A6XKbi_Z6tWoLteC6jwfDGx Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web180610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:39:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/708 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1338230361.85531.YahooMailRC@web180610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" , John Hasty In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, not to devert from the current discussion but I have a 12 gal. fuel cell from Summit and when sitting it always has pressure when I remove the cap if the day has any kind of warmth at all. Can't say that I've pulled the cap when it is running. I thought that pressure was normal. Would you think that my relief valve is not relieving near enough? Jim ________________________________ From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:21:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 14:08:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0BA2D02D5 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:08:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.q.com (smtp.quartz.synacor.com [205.169.121.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AE42D028C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:08:43 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6YBl6yYNf6/k3umvhd35UjUX6Y7anPg3fA1fh1PWYqg= c=1 sm=0 a=pGfBIBo4v1oA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=5uzyEDg2IGAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=BM2Wo2QsAAAA:8 a=DDCrX-0TKkys70ev-_IA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=d8-XDScYJTYA:10 a=MVt/OeM/O+V7psr6YXG+1g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.quartz.synacor.com smtp.mail=cofrog@q.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp03.quartz.synacor.com header.from=cofrog@q.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp03.quartz.synacor.com: transitional domain q.com does not designate 10.30.7.251 as permitted sender) Received: from [10.30.7.251] ([10.30.7.251:56573] helo=md04.quartz.synacor.com) by smtp.q.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 32/23-28235-A7BD3CF4; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:09:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: cofrog@q.com To: "Greg \\\"Lunker\\\" Hilyer" Message-ID: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [174.16.140.72] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.8_GA_2685 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Win)/6.0.8_GA_2685) Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "John Hasty" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 14:38:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891302D02E0 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:38:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EC92D02BC; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573732E07E; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC3E35D.6080107@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:43:09 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net References: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] identify transmission X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ruffner, James A *HS wrote: > As I recollect, the "J-type" is used on the TR-6 series, and the "A-type" is > on the -3's and-4's. Actually the TR6 was fitted with the J type starting in 1974, I think it was. The fellow who bought my TR250 put a later J type gearbox in it. It involved some surgery to the frame to fab up some mounts that fit, not a simple task. But he did get it working and was happy with it once done. Wish I still had that one - he offered me a chance to buy it back. It was bad timing - I had just lost my job at the U of U and didn't think buying another car at the time would be a wise thing to do. On a different note, Bailey's will be closed this week while Mike does some vacationing in Oregon, so I'll have time to work on stuff, like getting the Team.Net archives working properly again. I know many folks miss that functionality. One thing I have been meaning to do for quite some time is reply to all those who contributed to Team.Net during the fund drive or just because. So be patient, I've only done a handful so far, you may hear from me soon if you've made use of the donate link! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 15:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471562D0314 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 15:28:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9B92D02CA for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 15:28:00 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BdeHTLlQdPCb1sRYo2kc9OTDqnKalV2NpKP8yjOWN9AKtKFBiTs/FVQ54sVh78e6; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.29] (helo=mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZ7UT-000816-MA for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:28:37 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:28:35 -0400 Message-ID: <22960068.1338240516206.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: FOT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7890bac52c816f5cce750ce4e2bfade2239a348a220c2609a696fadc86ca592b309621ef02f2c246387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: steve List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It should be noted that the car should be running while checking the fuel pressure. At one point, I connected my fuel-pressure gauge to the output of my FP regulator, ran the fuel pump (without starting the car) to see the pressure climb and climb. In other words, it can't be checked properly in a closed-loop system. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: cofrog@q.com >Sent: May 28, 2012 1:09 PM >To: "Greg \\\"Lunker\\\" Hilyer" >Cc: Friends of Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" >To: "John Hasty" >Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >John, >My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a >venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you >remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. >My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and >unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was >probably used when I put it in. >My $.02 >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars@earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 16:38:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3A72D030E for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:38:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD022D02EF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A9A81B190238; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:16 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000101cd3d1f$c7298540$557c8fc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac084lrecuRGntqoSQiDWfIzXUm0hgAPNy4A Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Spark Plugs - NGK BPR7HS Gap - 0.025 (Moss) Torque - 18 -25 Lb-Ft. (NGK) Use 18 Lb-Ft. This has worked well for us. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 16:39:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCB82D036C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:39:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521B22D02EF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A9A71B190238; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cd3d1f$c7035fa0$550a1ee0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac084lrecuRGntqoSQiDWfIzXUm0hgAPRaqA Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oops, forgot to mention, Lucas distributor and mechanical points and Lucas Sport Coil ignition. I think the "R" in the designation is for a resistor plug. It is what was readily available. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 28 16:39:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4CD2D0306 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:39:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE122D02F2 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AA9123510194; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:22:09 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000201cd3d20$526040e0$f720c2a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac089DFGaKqnEUHGQlWCRsOhSsAE9wAK5n+Q Content-Language: en-us X-Declude-Sender: timmurph@fastbytes.com [216.183.226.236] Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fuel Pressure Regulator - Holley Part No. 12-803 (included with pump) Pressure range 4-1/2 to 9 psi Set to 3-1/4 to 3-1/2 PSI Fuel Pump - Holley "Blue" Part No. 12-802-1 (70 gph at 9 psi, preset pressure 14 psi) Fuel Filter - Fram HPG-1 Carburetors - SU Type H6 This was all at the suggestion of Uncle Jack and Tony when we built the car. The fuel pressure has always been rock solid. I think we may have dropped the pressure to a bit under 3 PSI. I'll have to take a look when I get the engine together and back in the car running. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:06 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FP Reg What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 02:26:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B952D0311 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:26:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: FOT@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECC72C0D1B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.28.156.38] (82.132.237.114) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4EEB664019341435; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:27:07 +0100 References: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: TR4 Tony Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:26:52 +0100 To: "cofrog@q.com" Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run twin (switchable) facet red top electric pumps and I don't get any such problems. The reason I have two and they are switchable from the dash is that as they wear they tend to 'stick', so I just flip the switch and use the other until I can pull the duff one out. I got 8 years an about 50000 rally miles from the first two ..... So that's the service life of those pumps I suppose. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 28 May 2012, at 21:09, cofrog@q.com wrote: > My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > To: "John Hasty" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > > John, > My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a > venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you > remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. > My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and > unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was > probably used when I put it in. > My $.02 > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 06:33:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7987C2D0333 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:33:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1952B2D02FD for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4TCY0PX019382 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:00 -0400 Received: from core-mte002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.69]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6ECE3E000082 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SpiwakD@aol.com Message-ID: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [98.111.8.254] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338294840; bh=OAegZ1UvysMnqMN9ZrckvYNTY9bCBJSkH8LHC5AN0G8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tD7aHcOKIfeTw3B8eW2ij0Y2DOq5T5nyg5edhcEPC3WjjyeaBqO71EFTCc5bcaXRM JsYbus32etuwkpCmmz7NYzo4SE2hqVypGGMimiGDy1wwLEcAM+fvSHySyzJFsiDEXb Gqjh9E6AFTVohel7r68+khaR/LwmJiBRZ7iQf5G4= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:310182720:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74fc4c2383865 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Race fuel X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 09:50:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8E72D031E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:50:43 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4AF2D031E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaan1 with SMTP id n1so1541765eaa.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:49:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=XguveOixxLepbgiAn3roXw9PFDdXgZCclX3ZZ13hEuU=; b=HjqAuh6M0JRBimrKfAAHmGTPT7C2GXqmQadpjWFSTPGqQdQSiOBA8jbITPr4V6UVTs 3HvJpeHBsBGvg6LF3LKbUScIoH2jW8bunV63/Ne2Y0nGhKX9J5KUSk/TzB7/GxATG6bV pxX7dvwD9BbTAAasr2WustWURmJa6uOoAXdkel72CE2JSE2FY66+9LrX8lp2Hn2OgcRf vVy8BGNtoBRhaIKB2III19kPtkH3n0OlegDvld3wj44bILwGDf9IDo1y7H2CZRDLpoOr OqzRdd68/nzTgktJGuA/G3yRhbABTRX08Rwl/tO3QjDMt5svfCCOWZHc8mCvNjLEulqJ yAJA== Received: by 10.205.120.17 with SMTP id fw17mr6625549bkc.20.1338306584721; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-84-75-194.web.vodafone.de. [109.84.75.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu14sm18575664bkc.13.2012.05.29.08.49.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 08:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:49:43 +0200 Message-ID: <001801cd3db2$ab626dc0$02274940$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac09nmMURF0HsXEoSluYftnSc0A2ygAFByHQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Race fuel X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run on lead free pump fuel from 98 to 102 octane. Whatever you can get on the fuel station. Compression is 11.5:1 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD@aol.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 14:34 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Race fuel I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 10:29:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1991B2D0366 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:29:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48B82D0330; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.72.16]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AAD3B5D80C5; Tue, 29 May 2012 11:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" , "Friends" , "Triumph" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "TRlist" References: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:27:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120529-0, 05/28/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4FC4F9AA.005A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] identify transmission X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Chuck, call me sometime and I'll look at it and show you my mounts. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack@autox.team.net>; "TRlist" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] identify transmission >I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several > years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am > wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side > of the tranny: > 306812WYF E336/R > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 13:37:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CED2D036B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:37:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5672D02D9 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so3092392vcb.14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=f5ZGpB3rsr/fZwX28QGaDXo8cUXg83ESAN/K6QbK/2Q=; b=Y0F1elKbSyi1vxfUQKi1ZqaESfyASCWi9E1cvECwbrJkHfDgt2HeNWxOsbr6JcQ3LM +PuqE92JFEiBOXVJ5VoHpHz2qxExmMDhU/4tVx60aQuXHyfOh3dq04mR9/po2AkBQ6a5 Kqbt7/RrfNNXIyN3Dc943RejDS4vgoQl08vS11Fok3xtdVBabLVqw7lWk3mKpajgxJ7e FLOjG+2IdAhBEJdQC/Pc8W8TfcDGthjhDKvjGa+g4aK5J7RgSwtk8RjXfTNyn1DjyzKx S32ZcOeUcCg2mBZU15v4GJSUML8KeWOFj/KnsbPQG4SqWUdj1pT78f2M2zH3g7a5rVih M+sA== Received: by 10.220.141.7 with SMTP id k7mr14127338vcu.25.1338320307681; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10sm25805086vdw.21.2012.05.29.12.38.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 12:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <017001cd3dd2$9e661890$db3249b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ac09wqEj5imPbRhrTcyXTbxctdRBSAAD6aUw Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] FW: identify transmission X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hope this helps... Clark -----Original Message----- From: Quantum [mailto:john@quantumechanics.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:44 PM To: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'John Esposito' Subject: RE: [Fot] identify transmission Gang - Hi there! The 306812 indicates a TR6 case. Look at the left or right side areas where the cross shaft comes out and it should have A CC or CD prefix hand stamped serial number there. What is the serial number on the overdrive unit? That will tell what type it is also. John Esposito Quantum Mechanics Ltd. 315 Riggs Street Building A, Unit 3. Oxford Ct. 06478 Phone 203-463-8299 Fax 203-828-6039 www.quantumechanics.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 13:48:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA0C2D036C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:48:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6142D02D9 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:47:53 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=irRR7KPrTTYPOshud/mhVU2iHyR/ADIPsOkbisy0+2gch0VWIU+l1ftNfpvPk/c3; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZSPK-0003NH-96; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:48:42 -0400 Received: from 66.32.119.227 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: <25169981.1338320922282.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:48:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Mike Jackson To: SpiwakD@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: eb9ca9e255bfb2b44dbce52abc5224c1239a348a220c2609b7f3c4872bc96db8c027fde7780c156ca8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 Subject: Re: [Fot] Race fuel X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mike Jackson List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, I'm not fuels engineer but this topic came up on a FV list a couple of years ago and a fuels engineer posted a long and informative article. The really fundamental piece of info in that note was that the equation for calculatine octane is a made up thing. It is not based on basic units that we all know an love. Farther, he was very specific that the fomula for calculating road car gas octane was not the same as that used for aircraft fuel. Consequently, you can not compare the two and make any real sense out of it. Aircraft engines are relatively low compression ratio machines so their need for anti-knock additives is also pretty low. He also stated that current av-gas "low lead" fuel has more lead in it than car pump gas ever did. I take that at face value and assume he wasnt making stuff up. So....lead content is good for your motor but the octane may not be if you have a bunch of compression. I use it in the FV motors but they have quite low compression. Also, the formulation of the fuel is different in other ways. If you splash some car fuel on the concrete it'll take much longer for it to evaporate than an equivalent amount of av-gas. And, it feels much less oily to the touch. I use it for cleaning stuff that mineral spirits wont touch but that would be harmed by lacquer thinner or acetone..like paint. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: SpiwakD@aol.com >Sent: May 29, 2012 8:34 AM >To: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Race fuel > >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. >I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient >octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 29 16:39:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0192D0424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:39:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90BFD2D01C9 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 22:32:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.70] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 22:32:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2012 22:32:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 199443.32918.bm@omp1007.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45114 invoked from network); 29 May 2012 22:32:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338330759; bh=j5lLzYKifzFQcGuqseZQfdszlU/zw5raMvijLkFXahA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zlMvzBQhSCwUG47Y96IHw+VilEas2ncepcJuDj8irKyA3Vj9ziQCK3jTesZlLiqerzhPZ2SEw2kRfcGOArFMM7h2K39JXWVR7w/2t/cIzJDESC+gw2oZZJhpIttL/qWleXUusgZxeLLz3hgNqzmvv01Rdrvf/b3G5CQE2Vj1+os= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aqSUPMcVM1kXLqjymJUER0xxM_0Bv49uwGW_.yUx7ligcM_ TQKHe8NHe2b3iXwQIDGl0c71eBAHIglm15Ziy0PdNkdBYQ9WcQNtsbCULDtc NSlSIOMqeLzrGPVYpHvqTHdxf4ZG84aS91Paj6VXG8E73KsXY0SjlK4IpU3S 1V2cLQDp3yubYoO5I62xKFrQ1IBWicAn002c0iP3aP6wvIwzBMaP6PLB8X3S dNThztzblIJNwNhHs0hisjZFZ6eI43m9oNKqyj4R1k1bOKCgO7Azigoe5YH3 xgEno9Bk9loYXxtVUT8yNTDqxcK7rJgxsej0Cz5WwmzBDGKvzE1EGWaSdMCs y.0.skWYIrhZbRhxfIB037vxHEKu36j_TMxWyvxwUO2rEHBWwSpnGK3sdG73 3zVonyvmZZT.QiB5xZRz7sEWlEADt_NTdyvFrfMb8qb0oAlas0GpGxOL7Rb1 95SmlJrOtQ6Mi3sVBBO66jK0bxviX4lBNiIcnRQuT3vRti21Qz07jvrdHgsL coOGlMWECZg5JFvzBu318UpLaAW6p.Gn9TwB4be_kuNtmvRNgEn4G2s1RTYL wAb0J2naPGh7tqxU03sw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: EHs0oO2swBCLyRHcKZVMKRYD7RPV8Av4q_ii53JJ9GGVODHtnbY- Received: from rocky (rocky@70.129.230.57 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2012 15:32:39 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <0AD9F1167FA1467586B052159D0D3E76@rocky> From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Race fuel X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If it's a race car, use race gas. I used to use 100LL avgas when I had a "low" compression engine built to last several races, when I got up above 12:1 I began using real race gas. Currently I use VP C-12. Essentially equivalent is Sunoco purple. Ask around at your local speed shops to find a retailer, which can be in strange places (my VP retailer is a heavy equipment rental company whose office manager is a circle track guy; local Sunoco retailer is a motorsport machine shop). Nice article at www.vpracingfuels.com/page469659.html -- the top half is why VP is so great, but the bottom half gives some nice tech info on race gas. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Race fuel >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. > I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient > octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race > fuel? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 12:14:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814D52D03C7 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:14:41 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA072D031F for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:12:56 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kcrVRSri+hyc0ICvG2B8JC/eX4Z2CPUI/SYEcIX4w0wJLV31qVxbs+dARd/t3F1N; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.48] (helo=elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnOq-0003hl-7y for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:13:36 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:13:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: FOT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7890bac52c816f5cce750ce4e2bfade2239a348a220c26095bc74e3df8dbbef9adeea1b1fd1f61b7a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: steve List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? TS67499E TS66557E ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 12:30:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FBB2D04E7 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:30:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1A2D046E for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:30:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Authenticated-User: jhhasty.gdhs.com Received: from [10.236.95.140] (16.sub-174-252-157.myvzw.com [174.252.157.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4UIUtpT029449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 14:30:57 -0400 References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <7D606139-FE0D-4A71-BE64-1DD86FD911DA@gdhs.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:30:52 -0400 To: steve X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=7tBfn1u/1qsiCBwE0Dg/XNHRPrXRqCh0S8k+6vWWeYk= c=1 sm=1 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JFoOoz8xLK5NjVx/LlzQ6Q==:17 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=fsgVZTZ1twePX7R9pZ8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=JFoOoz8xLK5NjVx/LlzQ6Q==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FC66762.0083, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The British Motor Industry Heritage Trust can probably tell you Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2012, at 2:13 PM, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 13:06:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9662C0D2C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:06:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04b.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D7D2D0338 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.72.16]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B65845D8083; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "steve" , "FOT" References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120530-1, 05/30/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4FC66FCA.003A,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 16:16:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77812D0192 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:16:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s10.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s10.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168A12D0367 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W62 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s10.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 May 2012 15:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.197.38.140] From: Kas Kastner To: Charly Mitchell , , fot Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:16:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2012 22:16:52.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA77B6A0:01CD3EB1] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don't ever be sure that the block even with the same number is the original. I had a set of stamps that were exactly like the factory original stamps. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly@mitchelplumbing.com > To: colordog.1@earthlink.net; fot@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least > we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It > seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > > > TS67499E > > > > TS66557E > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 19:52:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C04A2D02EA for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:52:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC762D0286 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08842E07C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:16 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:20:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6552D02EA for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:20:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257AE2D02C7 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:19:54 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OvTNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=NOLiYPnE9veQBM9VvmNB7g==:17 a=Aj8MJkhpyzEA:10 a=Xj_gVYmDKxMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=nq_iPTBNAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=QEps4B0vAAAA:8 a=cQEf_i9TXcwk6M0Gl74A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=TQdRxR6nyrkA:10 a=J1--mjHvEgEA:10 a=NOLiYPnE9veQBM9VvmNB7g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rjl6n; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.53.199.242] ([71.53.199.242:24465] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 50/B0-20029-B75D6CF4; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <4FC6D574.1020907@gt-classics.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:20:36 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark J Bradakis References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Let's see, what color was that TR-6 again, I'm not sure I remember... :-) John On 5/30/2012 9:57 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and > the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n@cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 20:27:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1988E2D0362 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:27:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872712D0362 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120531022811.YTCI24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306.cox.net>; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:28:11 -0400 Received: from Vista ([70.176.164.231]) by fed1rmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id GSPh1j00l4zsG5S03SPhG4; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:23:42 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FC6D73B.005B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=KX+v5h4Bo19/wPa7BIMoXY6ArU991IQkCVNWm470N+4= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=KNrs56xIWqGTjTzpm0IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=jaPiPx3cIkLgKnsm:21 a=5jMj4FlgbqSZDa_x:21 a=nBxdLrbP6lFJcns0bAiXyw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'fot'" References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:28:23 -0700 Message-ID: <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0+0CNNhzJogpl/Qc6mf1g6V02H2QABKsew Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:57 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 30 21:13:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7E02D0301 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:13:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E88C2D0286 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS13 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 30 May 2012 20:13:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [184.58.113.156] X-Originating-Email: [tlizzard@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Terry Stetler" To: "'fot'" References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:55 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2012 03:13:55.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[699A9230:01CD3EDB] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how many M Types with the TR6 engine. My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; 'fot' Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 06:16:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CCB2D0347 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:16:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (vader.london.02.net [82.132.130.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08542D02BF for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.29.17.73] (82.132.236.222) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4F3CE397106D3C6F; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:46 +0100 References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: TR4 Tony Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:11:12 +0100 To: steve Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TR4 CT serial led engines are normally within 500 of the comm number. BMIHT have the micro fiche records of all the factory builds only and these are by commission number order. To search for an engine you need to go through each record individually .... Takes a while. Engine changes were recorded on the old logbook in the UK, so where old VRO records were distroyed this info is lost. Some VRO's such as Coventry passed records to the Transport Museum so on these forms changes in engine and body and registration mark are shown. So, for some UK cars all the changes can be traced. If you have a system like this in the US then that's how to find the cars for those engines I it can't be done from the UK records. Both those engines look like TR4a from late 66, early 67 Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 May 2012, at 19:13, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 06:49:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A342D035B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:49:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538CF2D0325 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:49:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so964314ghb.41 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:50:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=loGIDWakbTZOy6gwnciTmJ9RB9voFrAJwXNOHOX4iy8=; b=GHPUHarSR7c4QZ4+O4Li1vuk7wdObwkQGT3yQ6sQlc6/kOrtmaWcX3jq2jQ9sU3g0Z 6JUVPGFqNlpfkesManb1M93MVESBlmyXr2L7RB4/n4XQLqF51Fivht81WP+kUZ6aKsTq s5V7E10S2lD40OSR/okqXRWfq1K28TK+q895ryvQIFWJklk7ME+ZLcBiStxdmoFrurea wwZphf7nkbKFRnI7WfVo46C0MTgsN/YT3VoQDHSqeTMfSaDu84XQYtMBQnvKe6aZkoTp zk+Kv/7JGWQ2gvsFcyKZp2ztPQTC7ORqzTRIp7mFtSwLwlphRclSu0dfvG7mECK7KKXu kDrA== Received: by 10.60.28.37 with SMTP id y5mr3649301oeg.35.1338468602613; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id js6sm2325243obb.2.2012.05.31.05.50.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) From: Duncan Charlton In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:49:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> To: Terry Stetler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 07:11:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5571F2D03A5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:11:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1587C2D0191 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VDCHR2020008; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:17 -0400 Received: from core-dgd003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.201]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E2822E000085; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> To: duncan.charlton54@gmail.com, tlizzard@msn.com In-Reply-To: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 74.233.208.24 by webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.29) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: fubog1 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36210-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF0D46227473F2-25F8-F4C@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [74.233.208.24] Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338469937; bh=x5dwIr9XlbrSbrbB0hB4wbtEb7aHDc20JDIJmqW1NJE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cHEKa1IeDdG6txZYowtVbkNYPCDTHUjVe+mn5zdjr+PVL7PXUVbbHl9+lpBUZU4J0 9fPQJJtApqUNNiqzu+2Svn+swCRJzeQfD+Ypn1LSIqMk15YnlUT2/uP0vJW75YVV5u 9mvDdW+oqcUhIZSr4uRD0yVtHq55HdcyK0iPr8lM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:417950368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c84fc76e300332 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 08:10:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6AD2D034E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:10:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E9E2D02E0 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120531141043.XIUR1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:10:43 -0400 Received: from HomePC ([68.226.62.4]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id GeAg1j00805Vm7002eAia4; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:10:42 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4FC77BE2.012E,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7k1bn6mYLn6jZgnsCX5IyeK1I3GDztM/23liBAFkWus= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=arP/Kn8xJJ1Nn3zTpFYkxg==:17 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Haa1Y2FawFh_5bHoMV8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=ZR8exOdq2dzwuxEd:21 a=ldPhbBCaOZUx1wsW:21 a=arP/Kn8xJJ1Nn3zTpFYkxg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: From: "Bill" To: "steve" , "FOT" References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Steve; The engines in question were produced around January 1960 and put into cars about that same time frame. The time it took to get from casting to a final vehicle is lost with time, it is anyone's guess, months maybe. Engines were made in batches with sequential numbering and shipped to final assembly were they were placed in holding, waiting for a vehicle chassis to be installed in (also in sequential numbering, but not the same) as they could have pulled the first or last of the batch on the factory floor. Engines were also pulled from these batches for other manufactures like Morgan, etc, replacement service and testing, so the further out on the model run the more likely the greater spread from Commission Number (lower) to Engine number will be. By 1960 it could be 500 to 1000 numbers off, but with varying spread from one car to the next one off the line. BMHT (VTR also does searches also) run vehicle searches based on commission numbers, but will run ones based on engine number, but it takes a lot longer as they have to pull all the commission numbers in that range to see where the engine was placed. Also of note in 1975-76 British Leland, was scrapping out TR3 NOS parts from their inventory, of which there were a few engines and blocks made available to VTR which did not have any serial numbers stamped on them. Sorry they are long gone at prices you would die for today! Bill Redinger VTR, TR2-3 Vehicle Consultant ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 08:25:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6C92D038A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:25:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423C02D031B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:25:28 -0600 (MDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from don ([96.20.239.101]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with SMTP id <0M4W003AC5FHX6F0@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: steve , FOT References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:26:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net According to Bill Piggot's book "Original Triumph TR2, 3, 3A and 3B", on pg 122, TR3A TS 60000 was built in Oct. 1959 and TS 70182 was built in March 1960. Considering that the engine TS numbers were about 300 or 400 numbers out from the Comm. Nos, I would guess that the two engines you listed were build in late December 1959 to January 1960. This also closely agrees with the dates of Comm. Nos listed by Marty Lodawer of TRSC for US delivered cars. Image copy of pertinant page e-mailed directly to Steve. Don Elliott, Original Owner 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 08:41:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7999B2D03AA for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:41:59 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6042D0331 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so1231655bkc.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-cr-hashedpuzzle:x-cr-puzzleid; bh=PyfBA8SMKEhvkJ5BK3Zps+6p9Wgm2oUNRsJg9oP31nM=; b=lJ0+ecqYxvbs7fq6hUTrsvnabAQ5mGilrfiXvU2s6qLWl7ZXsXpakBsISvotm3+74G V4L7MZeZYM2Td21FFkR/0LbILtuK97Gyxt0vojUqPZMbTX59y37YqMwJIjQkijHnyK1x 4ZAjLJHhtDgj4K5KQfvejrr0XwgiHKl6gy3y2RbzI4Cf58VrnAjsyNpBkeDqkWZSHHBB ASH4AbTnZnZPBsGWlZ2/N7WP84pj5fGL0cV41OuNLg4zRIIkPjcoi4sTegRcGs68LO7m vwODSPpKyuBil/voPgl3X44LOmeYpLhrIq4hoOGbLO/gUc4mSdQbqQ9Ra4fgJw1W4eF3 pQsQ== Received: by 10.204.129.17 with SMTP id m17mr12119846bks.4.1338475361270; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-114-122.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.114.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18sm3587289bkh.8.2012.05.31.07.42.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 07:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:42:37 +0200 Message-ID: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/OWco++mibEzOThKa47i0hM544AAAgwyg Content-Language: de x-cr-hashedpuzzle: BqME CBOH CB3W CDg3 CXfY DKCM DUQT FScB HArP HDs7 Hgdg IIza I3TR I/Ab JGL2 KPEI; 1; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {4BF26A2A-FB64-46B5-99B0-57362126D58B}; dAByADQAcgBhAGMAaQBuAGcAQABnAG8AbwBnAGwAZQBtAGEAaQBsAC4AYwBvAG0A; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:42:35 GMT;TABTAEQA x-cr-puzzleid: {4BF26A2A-FB64-46B5-99B0-57362126D58B} Subject: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 09:02:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CFE2D039F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:02:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC93C2D0271 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id 7C3FA9A4860; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx2.netinteraction.com Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BU0vxsgM2SJw; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (adsl-99-175-207-110.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net [99.175.207.110]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 97FD99A484C; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:02:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:02:08 -0500 To: "MadMarx" ,fot@autox.team.net From: Peter Caldwell In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120531150306.7C3FA9A4860@mx2.netinteraction.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Loose axle U-bolts, or? Too much movement where the spring meets the axle tube. Peter C (nice vid) At 09:42 AM 5/31/2012, you wrote: >I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > >Does anybody see a reason for that? > >http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > >Cheers >Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 11:49:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8F72D06CB for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:49:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (imr-ma06.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94E72D0674 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q4VHnYUL015774; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:34 -0400 Received: from core-dre002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dre002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.227.69]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 007F3E000090; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: malaboge@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36210-STANDARD Received: from 76.211.236.218 by webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com (64.12.78.178) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:34 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [76.211.236.218] Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338486574; bh=hwhR3dh5PXybI1jenmMuxIDnlyFSoWV9Oi4mb/nwGj8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lMy5NTPEUXpkAh8Fe570KQlG07Uymeo4p3HuIgLSl5f4I/GqMyD4KhGI94xif/Ien YaFYZ6Eef4Q0CpUpDP6XPra9dXYN9MR8d1oMHHk+VgiM9FtUP/EV91RxjGfAbiMXl+ ns/FjaiU994TX37h6Vif/nhm18Y8FHqBCmwLqQiM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:437096192:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084fc7af2d2da7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 12:53:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983CB2D03A9 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:53:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B8C2D0297 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so789206eek.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=ysgXLDTE06eqLtPchXUTr8oUtlh4PRPnp79wMYZG+AQ=; b=rdFeUaInV98oECVYMpBOEXYyJd6k7drRvWovaRV+/xtK5oYXIzqqeyCpHbMeRxKENV xSA3C7uAOp/VA62d2dtoiPhRW2w3kHYuJizJga5QPCOK03Rgcq0P8lX262x3mtM/D271 dhzNFiQhoZbApH9tldhIgblc3jMcMJYApd5IP3nlAjXzXDF5WZG1tU7UjA0bMHVb6PPR LEd6BPzRPhmdjDnJ1DsjiezLWemPoICzMcvJ9RjzwXB6i88imQgw0eMKfV51mU+9QQS4 U/3301TPX1VvB7btFnjjD25LtWrg7GP3Bez6kK2vVdb8cLLB0ISz0aR2wTU2HdCQFWaT pJFw== Received: by 10.14.28.143 with SMTP id g15mr3213193eea.58.1338490045603; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7sm13389692eeb.7.2012.05.31.11.47.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 11:47:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: malaboge@aol.com,fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120531185348.983CB2D03A9@autox.team.net> Hi Nick from Nor Cal, I did changes to the rear: 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. With the locked rear I had no self steering. It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: malaboge@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 12:56:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67F22D0388 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:56:06 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A023C2D02E8 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120531185651.QWJA12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:56:51 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.247.81.98]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Giwq1j00U27GlE005iwrke; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:56:51 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=1F-HOIdIGasA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=3rvZYPCYUo9YkF4ld7ru/g==:17 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=0imSbCc9vIsjX-vNrIUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=3rvZYPCYUo9YkF4ld7ru/g==:117 Message-ID: <4FC7BEF0.5070700@charter.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:56:48 -0400 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris Nice camera work. If you have not determined the cause of your rear steer and have the desire to find the root cause of the problem, set up you camera pointed at a stationary plate mounted to the frame and a pointer mounted to the axle both in the forward and lateral direction in the car. The plate needs to have graduations to show the extent of the movement. With one camera you would need to set it up twice, once in each direction. This is how I use to root cause suspension issues when I was a development engineer at one of the big three. Sounds like a lot of work but since you mounted the camera you are half way there. You could also set up a scratch plate without using a camera. Just my 2 cents worth. Glenn Franco On 5/31/2012 10:42 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 14:18:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B212C0C86 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:18:00 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9D52C0BBE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so855741eek.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=ubNE1qpS7LSQC5IA/p51de87BMABcteR4LjUQ14R6a8=; b=IH9bPJ9v1+sEFSpnIWoSP+TSHpv0dUhN9PAQ3gZnRi2PIUh3KIuiYZwSpSw+lkTHae hDWZm7LaBGC2kFWM09pIiiumDM4j/ozZbFNUZ6mjtvvOp1vhZvHDFUm7pSoIE+4e7r6t RZG0Jl1gLvobVYXEb1auGguls3iXTTxspjFm4+ljT1TMAbGRUJ9WOI6XiyagMtmh1hub WlZMETnJwSxN/YST3F3AtNVZAribi4oXWBmskL8Qznr3Uv3/43KWO/BV6I4CCOQcUbH6 IXVUnZ6CVjqTn7mIftlgih8tY6YgEUywl0xlqn3x6uLQGElpI6DC9fcSjqcteOT6azT/ /HkQ== Received: by 10.14.119.12 with SMTP id m12mr60058eeh.17.1338495520999; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7sm14113474eeb.7.2012.05.31.13.18.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 13:18:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> In-Reply-To: <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Bill Babcock" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:18:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr4racing@googlemail.com List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120531201800.62B212C0C86@autox.team.net> Bill, What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. I'm searching for the cause. All bushes seem to be okay. Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. Thanks Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > I did changes to the rear: > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge@aol.com > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > Chris, > A few thoughts... > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > soft spring eye bushings > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > Does anybody see a reason for that? > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > Cheers > hris > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 18:43:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A06A2D03AE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:43:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A062C0353 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:13:34 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eEFtwM4lfhGqCdPxqGtSbbdnybSeY2Sahf6YZDWGvsGfHcjVhdEE4qFb3vjcrCcX; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SaFVY-0007v1-Jr; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:14:24 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1300447.1338509664682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:14:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, Bill Babcock Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 7890bac52c816f5cce750ce4e2bfade2239a348a220c26095d13671a70e35df2664915c273a3a6eda7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: steve List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The front bushes inside the "eyes" of the leaf springs are rubber with a metal sleeve. The rubber can deteriorate and essentially cause the spring's front mounting point to move around under load. My car has bronze bushes in place of the stock pieces. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: tr4racing@googlemail.com >Sent: May 31, 2012 1:18 PM >To: Bill Babcock >Cc: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Nick from Nor Cal, >> >> I did changes to the rear: >> 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 >> 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. >> 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. >> >> I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. >> >> With the locked rear I had no self steering. >> It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: malaboge@aol.com >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> Chris, >> A few thoughts... >> has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) >> check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) >> cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) >> soft spring eye bushings >> what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one >> disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes >> >> if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! >> >> always pulling a little "to the left" myself... >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MadMarx >> To: 'FOT' >> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am >> Subject: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >> hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". >> Does anybody see a reason for that? >> http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE >> Cheers >> hris >> ______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 19:12:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5C92D03DD for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:12:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444EF2D03AE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q510lsN8020743; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:47:54 -0400 Received: from core-dld002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dld002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.165.5]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E511CE00008A; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catpusher@aol.com Message-ID: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [76.14.44.139] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1338511674; bh=2xL228dEiKULSgrbn+48YZc6LZdGc4WiDRrtdkokfKM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t+EoKGtis/O5RzlD7YHIyJ6mmT3utUBJYhf55O4m1Kc6w7FFzrq8VhspMyg505/9r eFYRMTwyKP0uD4YzwUueHQUKrYemOts4v0dm/nm/m4ABnwJ72UXFY3kXHteJSshZjD QqkYk1qs7GD8P5ngrU0UrBF5NBmkGs8eOVAd+zMI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:407561856:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084fc81139435f X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course was, with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper and found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. TR Regards, Hardy _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 19:41:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34E52D0367 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:41:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from web14.justhost.com (web14.justhost.com [99.198.111.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3812D01C9 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 173-22-113-197.client.mchsi.com ([173.22.113.197] helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by web14.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SaGUG-0007gL-Uq; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:17:09 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:16:53 -0500 To: tr4racing@googlemail.com From: Tony Drews In-Reply-To: <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - web14.justhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - autox.team.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tonydrews.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Message-Id: <20120601014148.F34E52D0367@autox.team.net> I was thinking it would be interesting to see the other side of the axle from the same camera angle to see if you get as much flex in the spring as you do in the video. The axle moves noticeably from the front to the rear as the spring winds / unwinds, if one spring is stiffer than the other you'd end up with some rear steer because of one side moving more than the other. Tony At 03:18 PM 5/31/2012, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more >forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I >don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use >them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates >are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the >rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring >washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not >adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > > > I did changes to the rear: > > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: malaboge@aol.com > > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > > To: ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > Chris, > > A few thoughts... > > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be > hard to spot if at the axle junction) > > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where > the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > > soft spring eye bushings > > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction > bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be > time to install one > > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have > too much power! > > > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MadMarx > > To: 'FOT' > > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > > hris > > ______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 19:54:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243E72D03AE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:54:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D8B2D035B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so1271520vbb.14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=gB6t/+60QqPeSKoKewPNcaf0dA+sCw8VnR9vFBsb3rU=; b=lhshYIyvawqWN+n58CoPvy0ZJgRDhUkSTaN7/i/wjHVYTR8OwPcR8Jo80U9d8JhOPV FH9GJE37kKUtMAZtNe9cWnf/Mr8PjLKe/tjOoL8uq2sb+n7VvjXMscphXjkAQLioIHKJ X4jJWWQHlIpzR/S+lhynSGm4Ea8N+7Gkb8w5nRM8aq15OQqHCrkH3clkO80uRNZNgd/O PGJpZcbAWtGtZJ04KKNd8witBEoTPtp7yHqxudNoSy3A5DrXXbqoaoArjQaDUv68lYxL PHcTcgPI7UKaiB3uKdiaWDNXLoTZMJFVG8NkPmymjiDR+ARfI28ElIz8XbGz1Vy3ZutU uqgg== Received: by 10.221.1.82 with SMTP id np18mr620679vcb.22.1338514876067; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm742016vde.16.2012.05.31.18.41.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 18:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: , References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0/k8+kxkr8SUGjTc24lftfn2B+7QAA4E8g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 20:44:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2156C2D03AA for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:44:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0C2D034A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:21:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AEA2E065 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:27:19 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> In-Reply-To: <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 20:46:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5252D03EE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:46:22 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3832F2D0353 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:25:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2012 02:26:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2012 02:26:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2012 02:26:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 15020.55897.bm@omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 73262 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2012 02:26:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338517565; bh=UuTCThTvYlm1aYyaW3+FTb54EG7rWGxI28STaWiPrig=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=SIj05d+x8OyBmt5OEcrGhFHkuaEmkTCkgArEE290o0PyKTmE7Ty0BlCXsGGb4I8BGVrvg46b976NSWvYuHakuL/Oq0mfz0eT8DRDvyWq00TbtT2wmklt2Afs9Yjxq+WHXeezssaPlFKwkrtFLdIhccb03QI7jhMQ1n6YCUg8gn4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: entCJjAVM1kkdJmbmKX7FGPv1Xu.VojZplYyoCQPATqFJ72 UxiyhAourlqv_XFBphVvhChRJkowfI5JlzERpGdgLKxvfy7wH0E0qOUoeXTt X24dEPEs73pi.1GxsNbFVHqhjtnufuzXigiyhNGQbGJ9A9DtFkCEBJz0cuB8 38fgSd_jsKDeJnSTFH7OdoCNzmJ01U15CXBy9UqOKsppiXGm1cNRihBCu68M nJ4YzR_LZMlxWmsGEmEcQj5hJuFc.8U6H1jeV8k3vKRCpK_7q0jmILws6ms. MhXDSwF.1mMyX6aekBymYbdfxkT2uh1ikP2uGSEs06LMZtGszORC6olJZkJf CGtdbaCrGPTjN1RMbEymjvDAdr29EFJ2rcmIUsvAfCqK.9DdqGHn_BY_4n5W OiJmAsvfgQYfNYKMfIwzohBtu4PPuflrvCSqQJDuL1DXPmnUL53QUCRfXh3l HwSQ4ktcKFNY7daRojfzMDFgY7wfJQTzIfQvI.PFh8vU8nrl3U0Cml8I- X-Yahoo-SMTP: EHs0oO2swBCLyRHcKZVMKRYD7RPV8Av4q_ii53JJ9GGVODHtnbY- Received: from rocky (rocky@65.68.103.121 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2012 19:26:00 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 21:02:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F7E2D036B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:02:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C93F2D015F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from owner8914bbf7f ([unknown] [72.92.212.147]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M4X00J7531E0YJ0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:32:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> From: "william r tobin" To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:31:58 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore@wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 31 23:03:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D952D034A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:03:03 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: fot@autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22192D0286 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Grgm1j0041afHeLAFseLcW; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:38:20 +0000 Received: from sz0063.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.117]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GseL1j00L2Xbfh08dseLy3; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:38:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:38:20 +0000 (UTC) From: vintage.racer@comcast.net To: "Clark W. Nicholls" Message-ID: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [67.188.175.115] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: Catpusher@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park X-BeenThere: fot@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. Gary Horstkorta Archivist - SF Region/SCCa 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: Catpusher@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mharc@autox.team.net