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From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 19:41:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCB12D04DB for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAE12D034B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q721g1EJ004725 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:42:02 -0400 Received: from core-mse004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.77]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 072EFE00009A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:42:02 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF325AF65E7762-EFC-8FA9@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> <8CF3BE67B45F9D1-21C8-31D44@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com> <8CF3C0794C85C57-DB0-25729@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> <8CF3E4F1FAB241D-1708-1CE4A@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-m145.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.29) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:42:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:42:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1343871722; bh=1NKhMd62xhHl15GrGeug0BffdnDtysKFVb4MfAqF6XU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QjX0fJxR/ZB6XXTlkdtLffimjiuT+lTe9hwMdtTM+lFjjlOvo7oyicgnmL07iKdT5 RHvt3YE+m53a4YnHR2P2UGlmjiQMjYxXgMKu7tuxYUzGbRPaKWhtucp5MQ+s3h+fIN 5wSsMGUTIO9Z08ayKW2P/5A7LYIO6xyC0YACi3hg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d5019daea67b9 Subject: [Fot] TR4 ENGINE AVAILABLE FLORENCE, AL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Marv Gruber says he has an engine available. I am just passing it along. His email is below. -----Original Message----- From: Mgruber921 To: n197tr4 Sent: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 5:50 pm Subject: Re: TR3 FRAME? Joe bought some more parts this week. Got a TR4a big valve engine in. All disassembled looks good. Crank bearings are std. Having the head checked tomorrow. Know anyone wanting a TR4a engine? $400 Marv _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 19:57:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00DF2D0537 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8082D048B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:47:35 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bgK/s/GVMUvn+NOe5GuVL+yVI6+rUo9iNPRP5cAKyDFRZrErDl0TPjdBBpXooY29; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [174.28.164.223] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SwkY8-0007UU-Gm; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:50:04 -0400 References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd6f70$06d31710$14794530$@hot-tr6.com> From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:50:11 -0600 To: "Walter Hollowell" Cc: fot@autox.team.net, Jim Guthrie Subject: Re: [Fot] more... KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I wholeheartedly second and support Walt's proposal for Albuquerque 2014. The NAPA Speedway [formerly known as the Sandia Motorrsports Park] is a little jewel of a track. Very technical - to the point that a Spitfire [or maybe a hot Herald... hello Jerry] could be a good choice for a overall win. Though the surface is starting to show needs of a re-pave, it's not chunked out but is a bit hard on tires. There is a chance that could change by '14. The facility was built in 1999 and is nice and accommodating by any standards. Albuquerque is within a days drive for those from the mid-west, rocky mountain region and most of Cal. As of now, our entry fees are $225 plus $50 for a Friday test and tune. Gas is about $3.05 and a four star hotel room can be had for about $100 [within 20 miles of the track] - a bargain! And for non-racing interests, it IS "The Land of Enchantment" - just pick a direction and see something worth the trip. When's the last time you were at a New Mexico race track Kas? I've looked into a revival race at Fort Sumner and although the surface is still intact, the FAA, NOAA and the National Weather Service really don't much care about racing... oh well, at least the mayor liked the idea. I've been to Kas Cup races on both coasts and a few points in between. While I do like the big events at the big tracks, and through the FoT have enjoyed some great venues, I've also wondered about a more "intimate" setting. And being a somewhat "power challenged" guy, I'd personally like to see a K/C at a track that is not quite so power oriented as say... Road America - though I hope to be there. We at Southwest Motorsport [see SWMS.com ] can [with enough advance planning] truly cater a event for the FoT with more track time you can stand. And with enough lead time, might even be able to schedule it for dates determined by FoT input. Racing weather here lasts into early November. I've been in contact with Walt and we can come up with more solid info - just need some more feedback to judge the interest. Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Walter Hollowell wrote: > I wish to put in a strong plug for NAPA Speedway in Albuquerque, > New Mexico > for the 2014 Kastner Cup event. We have a nice 1.7 mile 14 corner > technical > road course that my local road race club uses. This track is > located right > off of I-40. The facilities are first class including lots of RV > hook-ups. > New Mexico has lots to offer when visitors are not on the > racetrack. I have > spoken to one of the owners of the track and he is very supportive of > hosting this event. You can check out the speedway at: > www.napaspeedway.com > I can be your initial contact on this project if there is any > interest. You > can also check out some club racing at this track at our website: > www.swms.com > Thank You for your Consideration > > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, New Mexico > Ph 505 362-4350 > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:42 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict > with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL > EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt@hot- > tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 22:29:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6052D04C5 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 18C702D0202 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5660 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2012 04:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 04:26:44 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=52597 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Swmzj-0006lk-VG; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:26:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:26:48 -0500 To: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" , "Walter Hollowell" From: Tony Drews References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd6f70$06d31710$14794530$@hot-tr6.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: fot@autox.team.net, Jim Guthrie Subject: Re: [Fot] more... KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net swms.com seems to be a web parking site. so I'm not getting any love from it. www.napaspeedway.com doesn't say anything about when the SWMS events are run. It's about a 20 hour drive for me which may be doable, Mosport is just a little closer. It would be helpful to know about when in the year this event could be scheduled for. I think the main thing needed is to figure out if the date could work (to me, depending on normal weather - ie not blazingly hot, Sept / Oct / Nov would be good) and determine who would spearhead the event. Sounds like Walt and Lunker are good candidates there. Of course, the Mosport side is still being discussed, so I still consider it a tentative event. That one's in June - it's an awesome track to run, I was thinking of going back there in 2013 as the Kas Cup is closer to home that year but would delay a year to have a return trip coincide with a stronger Triumph showing. From the Napaspeedway site, I'm kinda getting an IRP (Indianapolis Raceway Park) vibe - road track that could use a bit more love with an oval nestled inside. Make the front straight also be a drag strip and it'd be closer. I liked that track, too bad we don't go there anymore. Tony Drews At 08:50 PM 8/1/2012, Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer wrote: >I wholeheartedly second and support Walt's proposal for Albuquerque >2014. >The NAPA Speedway [formerly known as the Sandia Motorrsports Park] is >a little jewel of a track. Very technical - to the point that a >Spitfire [or maybe a hot Herald... hello Jerry] could be a good >choice for a overall win. Though the surface is starting to show >needs of a re-pave, it's not chunked out but is a bit hard on tires. >There is a chance that could change by '14. The facility was built in >1999 and is nice and accommodating by any standards. >Albuquerque is within a days drive for those from the mid-west, rocky >mountain region and most of Cal. As of now, our entry fees are $225 >plus $50 for a Friday test and tune. Gas is about $3.05 and a four >star hotel room can be had for about $100 [within 20 miles of the >track] - a bargain! And for non-racing interests, it IS "The Land of >Enchantment" - just pick a direction and see something worth the trip. >When's the last time you were at a New Mexico race track Kas? I've >looked into a revival race at Fort Sumner and although the surface is >still intact, the FAA, NOAA and the National Weather Service really >don't much care about racing... oh well, at least the mayor liked the >idea. >I've been to Kas Cup races on both coasts and a few points in >between. While I do like the big events at the big tracks, and >through the FoT have enjoyed some great venues, I've also wondered >about a more "intimate" setting. And being a somewhat "power >challenged" guy, I'd personally like to see a K/C at a track that is >not quite so power oriented as say... Road America - though I hope to >be there. We at Southwest Motorsport [see SWMS.com ] can [with >enough advance planning] truly cater a event for the FoT with more >track time you can stand. And with enough lead time, might even be >able to schedule it for dates determined by FoT input. Racing weather >here lasts into early November. >I've been in contact with Walt and we can come up with more solid >info - just need some more feedback to judge the interest. >Thanks, >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 23:05:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0412D04C6 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A2F2D0396 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:01:47 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F4K8ZHWRSNlN+H9MF04Vr6SAftPPKZj1mnjgyh0xtYYyzAPFJTSQ7J8aY5C89O+2; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [174.28.164.223] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Swna4-000489-6J; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:04:16 -0400 References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd6f70$06d31710$14794530$@hot-tr6.com> <201208020027.1sWN0s5Pl3Nl34d1@mx-pinchot.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 23:04:13 -0600 To: Tony Drews Cc: Friends of Triumph , Jim Guthrie Subject: Re: [Fot] more... KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Right you are Tony! My mistake... go to http://swms.org/ . NAPA Speedway is a fairly new entity - might not be too useful yet for web info. As I understand, the Mosport event is Triumph oriented to the max but not the site of the 2014 Kas Cup. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > swms.com seems to be a web parking site. so I'm not getting any > love from it. www.napaspeedway.com doesn't say anything about when > the SWMS events are run. > > It's about a 20 hour drive for me which may be doable, Mosport is > just a little closer. It would be helpful to know about when in > the year this event could be scheduled for. > > I think the main thing needed is to figure out if the date could > work (to me, depending on normal weather - ie not blazingly hot, > Sept / Oct / Nov would be good) and determine who would spearhead > the event. Sounds like Walt and Lunker are good candidates there. > Of course, the Mosport side is still being discussed, so I still > consider it a tentative event. That one's in June - it's an > awesome track to run, I was thinking of going back there in 2013 as > the Kas Cup is closer to home that year but would delay a year to > have a return trip coincide with a stronger Triumph showing. From > the Napaspeedway site, I'm kinda getting an IRP (Indianapolis > Raceway Park) vibe - road track that could use a bit more love with > an oval nestled inside. Make the front straight also be a drag > strip and it'd be closer. I liked that track, too bad we don't go > there anymore. > > Tony Drews > > At 08:50 PM 8/1/2012, Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer wrote: >> I wholeheartedly second and support Walt's proposal for Albuquerque >> 2014. >> The NAPA Speedway [formerly known as the Sandia Motorrsports Park] is >> a little jewel of a track. Very technical - to the point that a >> Spitfire [or maybe a hot Herald... hello Jerry] could be a good >> choice for a overall win. Though the surface is starting to show >> needs of a re-pave, it's not chunked out but is a bit hard on tires. >> There is a chance that could change by '14. The facility was built in >> 1999 and is nice and accommodating by any standards. >> Albuquerque is within a days drive for those from the mid-west, rocky >> mountain region and most of Cal. As of now, our entry fees are $225 >> plus $50 for a Friday test and tune. Gas is about $3.05 and a four >> star hotel room can be had for about $100 [within 20 miles of the >> track] - a bargain! And for non-racing interests, it IS "The Land of >> Enchantment" - just pick a direction and see something worth the >> trip. >> When's the last time you were at a New Mexico race track Kas? I've >> looked into a revival race at Fort Sumner and although the surface is >> still intact, the FAA, NOAA and the National Weather Service really >> don't much care about racing... oh well, at least the mayor liked the >> idea. >> I've been to Kas Cup races on both coasts and a few points in >> between. While I do like the big events at the big tracks, and >> through the FoT have enjoyed some great venues, I've also wondered >> about a more "intimate" setting. And being a somewhat "power >> challenged" guy, I'd personally like to see a K/C at a track that is >> not quite so power oriented as say... Road America - though I hope to >> be there. We at Southwest Motorsport [see SWMS.com ] can [with >> enough advance planning] truly cater a event for the FoT with more >> track time you can stand. And with enough lead time, might even be >> able to schedule it for dates determined by FoT input. Racing weather >> here lasts into early November. >> I've been in contact with Walt and we can come up with more solid >> info - just need some more feedback to judge the interest. >> Thanks, >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 08:03:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17882D021A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67212C0D12 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q72E5f5h014330 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:05:41 -0400 Received: from core-mse004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.77]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C290DE000090 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:05:40 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com (205.188.91.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:05:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:05:40 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1343916341; bh=I31R/b1fRgQ4BOXGweEwgdXi/nqlaa/dcLI25T20OUs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mmwck8UPOqfwQW0dsH+2eF9axl3DWVewjhxBu+MV/GZ8JYYW8I5oxCoKZIeRhGDOL pBXxX7rPFIlGsAcsthaBDgo1Ty10HNUZIOAlLYzozpotsucM2hpn3E41eFUEpkty8h +3W0z05aHRJ+UymrQa2neW5Ln7bad6rBKBhWbVcE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7501a893448ed Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2014 VENUE SELECTION by PROPOSAL a request. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: Thanks for the responses and observations. Now down to business. It looks like we are ripe for running the KASTNER CUP at a smaller venue with a hardy band of local Triumph Racers leading the way. We have had some great events at the larger storied venues. Kas senses it is time to go back to grassroots basics for a race among ourselves without the distractions of a big 'festival' events ONE PAGE PROPOSALS wanted: VENUE SANCTIONING BODY PROPOSED EVENT DATES ENTRY FEE ESTIMATE LINKS TO RELEVANT INFORMATION Expectations are that we have a stand alone KASTNER CUP RACE with at least one practice session within our group. Kas Kastner might be considered GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend. The availability of a dedicated paddock area for the Triumphs would be a reasonable expectation and a 20 x 20 'Hospitality Tent' or area would be a plus. A destination location with some of the features listed is good, along with a proposed host hotel. Selection might take place by AUGUST 2013 in time to be announced at the Kastner Cup 2012 at Road America. Does this planning seem a bit early? No. It takes a lot of planning and organization to do this right. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 15:52:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1892D0426 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861282D038A for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so13645qcs.14 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ahmAGUcsMVztFjr07V7IJxssxhv1085L3GuD+FcBrAs=; b=K6IDPR+egXyUVygbEHJi2mab/VSZ4WWyI4roPNTZHpaXa1/uO+D/u0hBWTDwIhNKd9 4OMhng9bOQxWvWa9eD1nZiDmUslhJNAWSv0Et07d195sZL3WafKn79ApT3MlKgHMaGVQ STxg/vQmQcRu8eKs1J14QfnQuvfktNa0xldbvE6gN+W7nfNP93ZmcJxya79O7K4/WGvs iaz83al4fwIr0y0IkXu5eM6+nKKePeXB/V9zAGK9faS80xkP2SV+y3x6w+LNMTx7JDyO U7B9BOj1YFUdD8Y19erecxRD9qq/ivcogMdXba+ctzoMZ1BLc5jmqo04CSiZS0VUtFCr t3nQ== Received: by 10.229.135.73 with SMTP id m9mr6399516qct.130.1343944493104; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:54:53 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Triumph Friends, I am looking to purchase a set of Stromberg 150 CDs carbs for a stock 1968 GT6. The carbs need to have a linkage style for the dual choke cable set-up. I would like something ready to go and need it rather quickly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 16:06:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1572D04AB for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0092D0426 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W48 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:06:40 -0700 From: Charles WATSON To: , FOT List Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:06:39 -0400 References: FILETIME=[17E50680:01CD70FB] Subject: Re: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jason - This guy has something of a Triumph graveyard. I'm sure they would need rebuilding, but if you're desperate try him: Don Trammel - 864-787-0622 Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:54:53 -0500 > From: jason@multivintage.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs > > Hello Triumph Friends, > > I am looking to purchase a set of Stromberg 150 CDs carbs for a stock 1968 > GT6. > The carbs need to have a linkage style for the dual choke cable set-up. > I would like something ready to go and need it rather quickly. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 16:22:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCFB2D04AB for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.pem.dotster.com (mail5.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207F42D0369 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5958 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 22:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zap6) (robert@mackenzie.aero@[75.34.101.15]) by 72.5.54.239 with SMTP; 2 Aug 2012 22:19:06 -0000 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Charles WATSON'" , , "'FOT List'" References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:19:21 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac1w+2IvuGQJ5uCxTQW26a6zND7qcAAAS6Cw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curto has a set of Euro spec 150 he tried to sell me not too long ago. Joe Curto, Inc. 22-09 126th Street College Point, NY 11356 (718)762-SUSU (7878) Joecurto.com Robert Mackenzie Austin TX -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles WATSON Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:07 PM To: jason@multivintage.com; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs Jason - This guy has something of a Triumph graveyard. I'm sure they would need rebuilding, but if you're desperate try him: Don Trammel - 864-787-0622 Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:54:53 -0500 > From: jason@multivintage.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs > > Hello Triumph Friends, > > I am looking to purchase a set of Stromberg 150 CDs carbs for a stock 1968 > GT6. > The carbs need to have a linkage style for the dual choke cable set-up. > I would like something ready to go and need it rather quickly. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list@mackenzie.aero _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 07:35:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE9A2D019F for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844772C0B31 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q73DbMkm014987 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:37:22 -0400 Received: from core-mse004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.77]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E40B7E000097 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) References: <000801cd6f6b$dbdb7970$93926c50$@com> <8CF3D84C07A07F1-FFC-13A09@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <8CF3F9090E64BD1-1A68-1AD8F@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com (64.12.232.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:37:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:37:20 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1344001042; bh=IIrFERIDaSvc0lvnayuR3AIqcd1JubQs3IMkA0yGrgk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B7mGK8lPVjOrDTYOvzOQLo6eTAVGzkjLCJfBbQEQ5fg++Jt/wwo0ggr1gnNxeoc74 PEyR60qXuR5cI6AbPoL9p8iGTlDCAOLcnSFn4BKrP+B/JsZjioKBxFM7CYI6xaE8xw sh/nWD5oxZXkUhvR6ygxJX48J5KEyRqWtctKRUSY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949501bd411094a Subject: [Fot] High Performance Clutch Discs for our Racing Triumphs SEE TEXT BELOW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: The Minnesota guys discovered a source of a racing clutch for our Triumphs. We outgrew the capacity of our clutch. After the 2nd failure we went to Minnesota's TREVOR OLSON THE CLUTCH DOCTOR 40167 FLINK AVENUE NORTH BRANCH, MN 55056 651.614.4175 See Sean's comments below on a description and his experience so far, to Tim Murphy. We have a representative picture available. It is a paddle style clutch. I thought we should share this with everyone. (Thanks to RUSS WESTFALL and JOHN HAGEN....MN) From: Sean Alexander To: timmurph Cc: Joe Alexander ; peettigers Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: Re: Clutch disc for TR4 The clutch we purchased from Trevor at Clutch Doctor is a lot like the attached picture. The overall construction of the center hub, spring mounts and flex plate are more robust that than we have had in the past. The clutch wear contact surfaces are some type of metallic imbedded material that isnt supposed to slip if oil gets on the flywheel. Trevor can custom build to suit from the commercially available components. I have been very happy with the clutch since it was installed. Sean [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ap_racing_6_paddle_clutch_drive_plate_only.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 08:50:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349B52D04E6 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C9C2D036C for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q73Eovlf014558; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:51:01 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , References: <000801cd6f6b$dbdb7970$93926c50$@com><8CF3D84C07A07F1-FFC-13A09@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com><8CF3F9090E64BD1-1A68-1AD8F@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com> <8CF3F943DC0DA51-1A68-1B6B8@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:50:56 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac1xfTi31JDU3a/bQey+HpqL7taNdwACcV7g a=_gd-dZ9s7cIA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hvol-pegAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=BKLK1g9Y3N2k3gZx9VwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=RGqE41ZZCXQA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=trB5EUPcYpQA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=k7fE940SksgDVRgD:21 a=LlBuBa4cB1To_Is3:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] High Performance Clutch Discs for our Racing Triumphs SEE TEXT BELOW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net SPEC Clutches in Birmingham AL has many different types of racing clutches for TR's 2 - 8. The one in my TR3 with a close ratio gear set is a stage 3 paddle type. Remember, the splines on a close ratio are different than a stock box. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:37 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] High Performance Clutch Discs for our Racing Triumphs SEE TEXT BELOW FOT: The Minnesota guys discovered a source of a racing clutch for our Triumphs. We outgrew the capacity of our clutch. After the 2nd failure we went to Minnesota's TREVOR OLSON THE CLUTCH DOCTOR 40167 FLINK AVENUE NORTH BRANCH, MN 55056 651.614.4175 See Sean's comments below on a description and his experience so far, to Tim Murphy. We have a representative picture available. It is a paddle style clutch. I thought we should share this with everyone. (Thanks to RUSS WESTFALL and JOHN HAGEN....MN) From: Sean Alexander To: timmurph Cc: Joe Alexander ; peettigers Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: Re: Clutch disc for TR4 The clutch we purchased from Trevor at Clutch Doctor is a lot like the attached picture. The overall construction of the center hub, spring mounts and flex plate are more robust that than we have had in the past. The clutch wear contact surfaces are some type of metallic imbedded material that isnt supposed to slip if oil gets on the flywheel. Trevor can custom build to suit from the commercially available components. I have been very happy with the clutch since it was installed. Sean [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ap_racing_6_paddle_clutch_drive_plate_only.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 08:51:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0832D0525 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40782D03D3 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q73ErxDk030642; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:53:59 -0400 Received: from core-mse004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.77]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2AD04E000085; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) References: <000801cd6f6b$dbdb7970$93926c50$@com><8CF3D84C07A07F1-FFC-13A09@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com><8CF3F9090E64BD1-1A68-1AD8F@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com> <8CF3F943DC0DA51-1A68-1B6B8@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com> To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com (64.12.232.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:53:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1344005639; bh=1ib8X5pNlsVRQYsXLURg0WU3Cv8FJWsmd8+87L2W8W8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KkHEfLD5unRoEvCE4INHZhPfrDJLBUegSMrD/SWxoTV6b/j+i31oeTIqIWVbKZXGb +l+s+E8YMRqmFelw1QdMO6B9lgo8SJmu+byXf7x+Cdb3JubBWHpYxWl66cjjpnlF5W i+jWFs44ieWIJJ6EvzVMkwvqaL4vnpVu2YBVERWE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d501be6075226 Subject: Re: [Fot] High Performance Clutch Discs for our Racing Triumphs SEE TEXT BELOW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net yes....we have CR box and TREVOR built to our spec. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; fot Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 9:51 am Subject: RE: [Fot] High Performance Clutch Discs for our Racing Triumphs SEE TEXT BELOW SPEC Clutches in Birmingham AL has many different types of racing clutches for TR's 2 - 8. The one in my TR3 with a close ratio gear set is a stage 3 paddle type. Remember, the splines on a close ratio are different than a stock box. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:37 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] High Performance Clutch Discs for our Racing Triumphs SEE TEXT BELOW FOT: The Minnesota guys discovered a source of a racing clutch for our Triumphs. We outgrew the capacity of our clutch. After the 2nd failure we went to Minnesota's TREVOR OLSON THE CLUTCH DOCTOR 40167 FLINK AVENUE NORTH BRANCH, MN 55056 651.614.4175 See Sean's comments below on a description and his experience so far, to Tim Murphy. We have a representative picture available. It is a paddle style clutch. I thought we should share this with everyone. (Thanks to RUSS WESTFALL and JOHN HAGEN....MN) From: Sean Alexander To: timmurph Cc: Joe Alexander ; peettigers Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: Re: Clutch disc for TR4 The clutch we purchased from Trevor at Clutch Doctor is a lot like the attached picture. The overall construction of the center hub, spring mounts and flex plate are more robust that than we have had in the past. The clutch wear contact surfaces are some type of metallic imbedded material that isnt supposed to slip if oil gets on the flywheel. Trevor can custom build to suit from the commercially available components. I have been very happy with the clutch since it was installed. Sean [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ap_racing_6_paddle_clutch_drive_plate_only.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 14:03:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56772D0631 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C352D05E5 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iKEU1j00317UAYkA9L3gnA; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:03:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.23] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iL3e1j00M4L5TyG8ZL3fL9; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:03:39 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: triumphs@autox.team.net, FOT List , 6pack@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:03:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sad day - I sold a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That gap in my signature below is "66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts)" that has now become an organ donor for other TRs. I sold it to Paul Dierschow of Sports Car Craftsmen here in Denver if you're looking for things not available in catalogs such as a rear shelf or B posts. So in celebration of me actually selling a car instead of buying another my wife went shopping, now that's insult to injury. The celebration may be short lived thought if I buy a vintage race car. Somberly, Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 14:33:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D76D2D04FC for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0232D0328 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:32:43 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1344026114; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ZpLjjnrdo5h+ilkzSaex+0jlpGs=; b=Vuve8qCjoFs5EMrike6T4Hs51UfI7eck4a7m77V11sgy8yVfkQjCQlp5Nghoghiy zspn+xJkiMOWTbRjRPETRvx8/yhRFLWyjLEqvYByMYd5eOGnBAW7ojc4wmPq4q/F; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=b4TgfONAAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=pzqlkenv-3eN1_jfN-YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=XdaPAQ3lC5cA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=kp3uRgNowesA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 Received: from [10.50.3.117] ([10.50.3.117:49603] helo=md23.embarq.synacor.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTP id F0/41-03047-1063C105; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:35:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: William T newman To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Need GT6 Carbs Jason: I have a stock GT6 manifold with Strombergs in my storage. I don't know the year, but will let them go for cheap. Make me an offer off list or call me at 239-229-5766. Bill Newman #44 GT6 Hello Triumph Friends, I am looking to purchase a set of Stromberg 150 CDs carbs for a stock 1968 GT6. The carbs need to have a linkage style for the dual choke cable set-up. I would like something ready to go and need it rather quickly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 16:26:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14692D0623 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DB02D05D1; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 16:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1667179ghr.14 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=COigbo5oc0sW39N/No8930Ey0ghn1FbgSJb6IePNCA8=; b=rYkxvP5np98PiQCn6DevV8fxVR0J7guOPN//5aMvXdiRzRQGQ+EyrZnT5EzkydabRx MP2Q9d7HRwykFWFl5/Hm10Sg2CLnw/lzXkHx4bo7XyHY+hGxy7tpN0kx50/7V0rBt9yP bkmEj0BlOVXstl8cvwp4MNTkLN+fO6AVjnGiKB01VqZfS9phfEi1tc0BNEaAWTYTGOLx flN9bISCHBdodjiCJ/hQHz9bX2A5QeJN9/+BpC8cyWpsmFvgTZEB/5sFoA+ZcTz0x5Rp bnSBiAAE2dJfP2kuScntYmxa+avVUaKsYHVCMaIlaffiA0rTHFH5FEMJsVDhv8biObMT 4iFA== Received: by 10.50.181.138 with SMTP id dw10mr5578990igc.48.1344032882163; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.56.3 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:28:02 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:28:02 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Bud Rolofson Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6pack@autox.team.net, FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sad day - I sold a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not if ... WHEN On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > That gap in my signature below is "66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost > parts)" that has now become an organ donor for other TRs. I sold it to > Paul Dierschow of Sports Car Craftsmen here in Denver if you're looking for > things not available in catalogs such as a rear shelf or B posts. > > So in celebration of me actually selling a car instead of buying another > my wife went shopping, now that's insult to injury. The celebration may be > short lived thought if I buy a vintage race car. > > Somberly, > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi@comcast.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/triumphs/triosan@**gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 17:13:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EE42D05CC for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5938B2D038B for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iP0W1j0021afHeLAFPG2sg; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:16:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.24] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iPG11j00A4L5TyG8dPG2xj; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:16:02 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT List Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sad Day - I sold a Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That gap in my signature below is "66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts)" that has now become an organ donor for other TRs. I sold it to Paul Dierschow of Sports Car Craftsmen here in Denver if you're looking for things not available in catalogs such as a rear shelf or B posts. So in celebration of me actually selling a car instead of buying another my wife went shopping, now that's insult to injury. The celebration may be short lived though if (more like when) I buy a vintage race car. Somberly, Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 02:18:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6DD2D0330 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 02:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4142D0328 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 02:18:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618AD2E01B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 02:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:22:02 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Way behind Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm way behind in dealing with my email. If there are outstanding nominations, queries, problems, etc. I will be working on getting caught up over the weekend. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 05:20:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B432D08C0 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 05:20:54 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 05:12:33 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. 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Passwords for fot-archive@autox.team.net: List Password // URL ---- -------- fot@autox.team.net isexfaro http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive%40autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 07:06:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41522D0A03 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCDA2D095C for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 06:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q74Cv7nC026296; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 08:57:07 -0400 Received: from core-mgc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.9]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B21C5E000081; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 08:57:07 -0400 (EDT) References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> <4FED1434.3000208@bradakis.com> To: fot@autox.team.net, andy@grassrootsmotorsports.com From: Timothy Suddard Received: from 98.65.175.237 by webmail-stg-m02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.101) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:57:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 08:57:07 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1344085027; bh=qLqvvaoFt3+AhZFsQ6LV6qGBwj21t6ST5CWxkptczd4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b7Uss83bqLouUVuoA/lQFvRoVig0IAzOpWoHxdIn5m8Fu3v+DisACMT0jnBrKR6MY wUAXbmiCNFmR9KGP34n1cqDa788XvWZot0jN4zq+sNRJpK4aTe+g2/8POTKjWIIv+X 7NPtTLVpAoPXH42TfROIHrQm0P6ULxEr0Ym7EeSk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a501d1c237cff Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at RM Auctions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As many of you already know, I have the Group 44, Inc. GT6+ listed at the RM Auction in Monterey. It is lot #205 and will be the fifth car out on Saturday night, August 18th. I donbt need to keep two race cars and have two kids heading to college starting this fall. Yes, my son Tommy, who many of you also know, is heading to my and Margie's alma mater, Stetson University, to study family business, so he can take over the magazines someday. I also need to be looking for the next car to write about. That is the nature of my world.That said, I will most likely never sell my beloved TR3 and we plan on racing it at Lime Rock, Labor Day weekend. While I got some very strong offers for the GT6, I really donbt know what it is worth and decided the fairest thing to do, both for the Triumph community and for my family was to put it up for public auction, (with no reserve, by the way) and let the chips fall where they may. I believe Saturday night, at Monterey RM, is the best venue for this car. The restoration and history are very openly and (hopefully) well documented in Classic Motorsports and now at our website: http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1969-triumph-group-44-gt6/ If you have serious interest please call me at: (386 239-0523) or email me at tim@grassrootsmotorsports.com. A link to the RM Catalog is: http://www.rmauctions.com/digitalcatalogs/2012/MO12/ I will obviously be at the auction Saturday night, if you want to say hi or talk Triumphs. I want to thank everyone on the list who helped me with the car and let everyone know, I am not going anywhere, just going back to my TR3 and maybe looking for a TR4 next. Obviously with no reserve, I am a bit nervous. Please help me spread the word, talk up the car and bid high and often. You can bid online, or in advance via email or phone, I believe. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 12:37:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFBF2D0A75 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp11.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp11.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C082D0A3F for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b28.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.128]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q74IXBNw002277; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:34:48 GMT Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" , "Alan Pinel" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:34:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello team... Just forwarding this along... nfi. Mordy Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Alan Pinel Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 10:16:26 To: Subject: Re: TR4 Sale *OK Here goes!* *TR4 sale-1962 RACE CAR* *VERY FAST,NEWLY RESTORED,(driver/owner retiring) ALL SPARES AND 20FT ENCLOSED TRAILER INCL. MANY NEW PARTS,NEWLY SAND BLASTED AND PAINTED!* *Ready to race in all vintage clubs and events--must see* *ALAN PINEL770- 337-2967 OR alanlpinel.pinel @ gmail.com * On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 9:27 AM, wrote: > ** > Alan; > Nice... But, I can't forward a document nor A photo. If you incorporate > your document in an email without an attachment I will send it. Make sure > you put contact info. > > Mordy. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > ------------------------------ > *From: * Alan Pinel > *Date: *Sat, 04 Aug 2012 06:42:57 -0700 > *To: * > *Subject: *Re: TR4 Sale > > *OK thanks!* > * > * > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> ** >> If you list what you are selling I will forward it to the friends of >> triumph. Include your contact info. I can only forward text no photo's. A >> link to photo's can be forwarded if yu have such. >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Alan Pinel >> *Date: *Fri, 03 Aug 2012 11:56:37 -0700 >> *To: * >> *Subject: *TR4 Sale >> >> *I am trying to sell my race car! Whatsite do I go on?* >> *Thanks* >> *Alan* _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 17:52:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18552D09E6 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:52:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755EE2D09DB for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q74Nskrx005502; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:54:46 -0400 Received: from core-dec001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dec001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.53.193]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4DE70E000089; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:54:46 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net, net@newenglandtriumphs.org, nedyno@gmail.co From: robertten1@aol.com Received: from 108.7.221.36 by webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.230) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:54:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:54:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1344124486; bh=kFmzljek+qEX7oMmtcPQxzGSXHxx1Fo/xlY78/6fl4o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Dik4GIJJpCEIlBygD0OOpVSEDFlqmIj+7lY7/xO1b+o2t5lCfXzSOgeH0f94BkcRN LINU7oTsPqjTM0DdWnJZbySA72J6KJU8fiao2dCNQ9zdJEabr8UQ09Ez4mKKARPgkn cWF/t4Pp/HbrfC9whtD2G+aXAIo9B0iU9mkjkEYI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9501db6465cd6 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfifre Part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded to my problem here. I'll be heading to the dyno shop on Friday next, hopefully to get baseline and a/f readings. This in hopes of solving the misfire problem a a little break-in time on the new engine. To recap : Removing the #1 or #4 plug wire there is no difference in engine note. If remove the #2 or #3 plug wire the engine stumbles. I've checked the timing, tried rotating 180 degs ( will not start ). Swapped the plugs around and the same 2 cylinders misfire. Swapped the plug wires around and no change in results. Checked and cleaned all the engine grounds and the connections at the battery. I have swapped out complete ignition systems, one is Mallory Dual Point the other is a PerTronix conversion in the factory Delco Distributor. The PerTronix is all new parts the module, cap rotor, wires and coil. The Mallory is as was before the engine rebuild. There was no noticeable change in my problem with either system. Re-checked all connectors and connections for both complete ignition systems found nothing faulty. I have done a compression test and all cylinders seem OK. I did a leak-down test and nothing stood out there either. I had hoped If there was a problem I would get some direction in one of these tests. Next I removed the valve cover brought the crank to top dead center, removed the plug to #1 cylinder to verify and checked the lifters for #1 - both are loose ( suggestion from Kas ) I re-torqued the head, checked the valve clearances ( nothing out of place ) reassembled. Then changed from Platinum plugs to NGK V-Groove plugs and started the engine. Still a misfire at #1 and #4 ??? I have checked the Weber carb, knowing it will need some tuning as I made some changes to the engine during the rebuild. The biggest is a custom cam from Rick Cline. I found I need to lean the Idle Jets as both Idle adjustment screws could turned in all the way without changing the idle note. A 2 step leaner jet did result in backing these screws out almost 1 full turn. But no change to effect the misfire problem. And yes, in all kinds of testing there is spark going to #1 and #4 plugs just no change in engine note. A couple good zaps made me feel wide awake performing those tests, Hmmmm ?? So I am going to order another rotor for the Mallory dizzy ( at some one here suggestion ) as I grasp at straws for a solution to this misfire problem Engine - .'73 1500 Spit Bored .040" over (recessed blocked) A/E flat top pistons +.040 Head - Milled .125" ( big valve head ) 6.5 to 1 roller rockers Race Push Rods 10/10 crank polished and balanced Lightened flywheel @ 12 # Duplex timing chain set-up Cline Cam lightened and drilled lifters Tri Y Headers 2" exhaust Single Weber 45 DCOE 13 carb Cannon Manifold Stumpdified, Bob T. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 18:39:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEDC2D0876 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951A72D09EE for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 18:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so4172370obh.14 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:35:47 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Hv4abZ2hm/j6IvvIq2pAA+mlIKHuZOyn/Zuk3Jv3kZ4=; b=ovmqaBgX40YFXlWfLXYZIzZ+ZjYlszmTkf1yxH1VLrzwDkQIjn0McVDqh8W6w2XLsQ WBnSJ9SBeB6PZaRWsapz6peIae86yUQHe74Ie0HbgPSy6sv7HX7Y1nsX7yiAHGU2y2gr dlmFjHqm/JdPIDT4hGuGmCMNd4bJ8KPup66gEIjwYB5W2IM68cjKLTBoAtVfxToIrLf7 EZaagcyyQojtlXwYlyVLPAa0cQt0K4SUpzMTm7UzzM2eWJWucRuyPTU5s+MwrUaZmjrU m4A1Q41CAbB2xfay/f1DkGNuNpPzn1P1SEGm3pBmQXb5uvVnDtB6qrAkO8oN/n01qPo2 qHJQ== Received: by 10.182.89.102 with SMTP id bn6mr12639012obb.7.1344126947707; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r1sm10712594oea.4.2012.08.04.17.35.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:35:44 -0500 References: <8CF40B3A8DF17DC-18C0-3F89B@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> To: robertten1@aol.com Cc: Triumph Friends of Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfifre Part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, You mentioned that there is spark going to the plugs -- but were you able to determine whether the plugs themselves are actually producing a visible spark? If you removed those plugs, reconnected the wires, and then laid them on the engine so that they could find ground, and still saw a spark, it would seem you've completely eliminated that unless there is some way the current is going to ground without creating a spark at the plug electrodes. At any rate, it would be interesting to find out what you'd see if you used a Colortune plug on one of the bad cylinders vs. one of the good cylinders. If you're getting fire and compression, it would seem that the only variable left would be fuel/air in or out of those two cylinders. Any chance either intake or exhaust manifold is restricted on those two cylinders? #1 and #4 are connected via the tri-Y, right?... The Weber sends one throat to #1 and #2, and the other to #3 and #4, right? One more idea that's a bit far-fetched. Any chance the cam lobes for #1 and #4 are very differently shaped from those on #2 and #3? You'd see normal valve lash and get compression, but perhaps the valves are not opening very far or for very long, which could affect power. You might find it interesting to put a degree wheel on the engine and see what the valve timing is like for each individual cylinder. Duncan (Texas) On Aug 4, 2012, at 6:54 PM, robertten1@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my problem here. I'll be heading to the dyno > shop on Friday next, hopefully to get baseline and a/f readings. This in > hopes of solving the misfire problem a a little break-in time on the new > engine. > > To recap : Removing the #1 or #4 plug wire there is no difference in engine > note. If remove the #2 or #3 plug wire the engine stumbles. I've checked the > timing, tried rotating 180 degs ( will not start ). Swapped the plugs around > and the same 2 cylinders misfire. Swapped the plug wires around and no change > in results. Checked and cleaned all the engine grounds and the connections at > the battery. > > I have swapped out complete ignition systems, one is Mallory Dual Point the > other is a PerTronix conversion in the factory Delco Distributor. The > PerTronix is all new parts the module, cap rotor, wires and coil. The Mallory > is as was before the engine rebuild. There was no noticeable change in my > problem with either system. Re-checked all connectors and connections for > both complete ignition systems found nothing faulty. > > I have done a compression test and all cylinders seem OK. I did a leak-down > test and nothing stood out there either. I had hoped If there was a problem I > would get some direction in one of these tests. Next I removed the valve > cover brought the crank to top dead center, removed the plug to #1 cylinder to > verify and checked the lifters for #1 - both are loose ( suggestion from Kas > ) > > I re-torqued the head, checked the valve clearances ( nothing out of place ) > reassembled. Then changed from Platinum plugs to NGK V-Groove plugs and > started the engine. Still a misfire at #1 and #4 ??? > > I have checked the Weber carb, knowing it will need some tuning as I made some > changes to the engine during the rebuild. The biggest is a custom cam from > Rick Cline. I found I need to lean the Idle Jets as both Idle adjustment > screws could turned in all the way without changing the idle note. A 2 step > leaner jet did result in backing these screws out almost 1 full turn. But no > change to effect the misfire problem. > > And yes, in all kinds of testing there is spark going to #1 and #4 plugs just > no change in engine note. A couple good zaps made me feel wide awake > performing those tests, Hmmmm ?? > > So I am going to order another rotor for the Mallory dizzy ( at some one here > suggestion ) as I grasp at straws for a solution to this misfire problem > > > Engine - .'73 1500 Spit Bored .040" over (recessed blocked) > A/E flat top pistons +.040 > Head - Milled .125" ( big valve head ) > 6.5 to 1 roller rockers Race Push Rods > 10/10 crank polished and balanced > Lightened flywheel @ 12 # > Duplex timing chain set-up > Cline Cam lightened and drilled lifters > Tri Y Headers 2" exhaust > Single Weber 45 DCOE 13 carb Cannon Manifold > > > Stumpdified, > Bob T. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 21:02:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFFA2D09C7 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6813E2D0A3B for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 20:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A03D997000C8; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 21:53:49 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , , , References: <8CF40B3A8DF17DC-18C0-3F89B@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:51:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac1ynJoiyH0V81ySTeiMtn2VUz0lVwAGGcaQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfifre Part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Have you tried the old trick of spraying carb cleaner around the intake manifold and carb mounting on #1 and #4 to see if you somehow have a massive intake leak causing a very lean mixture and the misfire? Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:55 PM To: fot@autox.team.net; net@newenglandtriumphs.org; nedyno@gmail.co Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfifre Part 2 Thanks to all who responded to my problem here. I'll be heading to the dyno shop on Friday next, hopefully to get baseline and a/f readings. This in hopes of solving the misfire problem a a little break-in time on the new engine. To recap : Removing the #1 or #4 plug wire there is no difference in engine note. If remove the #2 or #3 plug wire the engine stumbles. I've checked the timing, tried rotating 180 degs ( will not start ). Swapped the plugs around and the same 2 cylinders misfire. Swapped the plug wires around and no change in results. Checked and cleaned all the engine grounds and the connections at the battery. I have swapped out complete ignition systems, one is Mallory Dual Point the other is a PerTronix conversion in the factory Delco Distributor. The PerTronix is all new parts the module, cap rotor, wires and coil. The Mallory is as was before the engine rebuild. There was no noticeable change in my problem with either system. Re-checked all connectors and connections for both complete ignition systems found nothing faulty. I have done a compression test and all cylinders seem OK. I did a leak-down test and nothing stood out there either. I had hoped If there was a problem I would get some direction in one of these tests. Next I removed the valve cover brought the crank to top dead center, removed the plug to #1 cylinder to verify and checked the lifters for #1 - both are loose ( suggestion from Kas ) I re-torqued the head, checked the valve clearances ( nothing out of place ) reassembled. Then changed from Platinum plugs to NGK V-Groove plugs and started the engine. Still a misfire at #1 and #4 ??? I have checked the Weber carb, knowing it will need some tuning as I made some changes to the engine during the rebuild. The biggest is a custom cam from Rick Cline. I found I need to lean the Idle Jets as both Idle adjustment screws could turned in all the way without changing the idle note. A 2 step leaner jet did result in backing these screws out almost 1 full turn. But no change to effect the misfire problem. And yes, in all kinds of testing there is spark going to #1 and #4 plugs just no change in engine note. A couple good zaps made me feel wide awake performing those tests, Hmmmm ?? So I am going to order another rotor for the Mallory dizzy ( at some one here suggestion ) as I grasp at straws for a solution to this misfire problem Engine - .'73 1500 Spit Bored .040" over (recessed blocked) A/E flat top pistons +.040 Head - Milled .125" ( big valve head ) 6.5 to 1 roller rockers Race Push Rods 10/10 crank polished and balanced Lightened flywheel @ 12 # Duplex timing chain set-up Cline Cam lightened and drilled lifters Tri Y Headers 2" exhaust Single Weber 45 DCOE 13 carb Cannon Manifold Stumpdified, Bob T. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 21:33:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BDF2D0A29 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A52D0180 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2012 03:23:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.248] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2012 03:23:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2012 03:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18558 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 03:23:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=z7uMaUkbJIOIYHLBqJj7G7NpHIu95aatFI7OO7OTlu6xJGWBEaFkxBQ3az7vQBZ5NOo9mKx8nA15Vm6yTyC+YPkHDlAfkOaa0eWMRdLbstFfWcfB9JHGdpq/t+ngr0xc6gbAddg3HQoeTdWqDnYbPwCJ1cTVzu/8lEF5usILZOE= ; s=s1024; t=1344137012; bh=f5qqMVdj/Bh9M7GRch35dxfgRR50eogaAStDu9DGNOc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=F/NQuzGoB2+WYOJ9vrMgr4A+k7xwKuWINuNi8Q1HupPGLqYcTRugXwWmwOkqm/j72CMy6N1UWY0927HMsoKgsxI9mMKd59wNnIMsS2I+U2S3OCvJ1/AKt9RTYg2nIeGxgU5ne/03ph12ooK6dVY7XSYxxtKj/AYLxM540UJskyM= HXv3Z9IzKwNnhbvyD4DYp7WvRuMUd5iIhu.iF6wdS_tlgkm.lF8cu9LPzQc3 4F60Va6hz_5VIiWFc60F6T.q9ARchEO4.qzKEyDvYP2uLM6WabPZLaW.K_KK 1izNcYX78WdN7t0NmnnZ3JyssEa6CWKUVGEqOMyDkCtFK6HPvTuPQVgqieZp qcKK0ONjAe0pvDVaxkX3ZabyGAz0bk6ZrDHBT_SvL7V61S8a4cBWAC2eITBY ckwAb7a8vtOueS.Ncvk6Is7ByqktInBb63XXOKN.IvEf17MgrXMwUmqeuaQp 91e5_sb_9HHjE.nionAEtgrBPX.BYnyNaAmv5stutch72dz6Ut6cGwMDgq3x 9bHYGyisK7YXtgeGc8icArGzl7NvvpWkQa.t1M0okp.N55xm4t_OE9Fa.e_x fXtrZVBDFfC7.xQCx2xi2.y_7jyC4STTDaqir7FncoSpYPdluKQd0ab_7x6A nXZc.OAFv3WN.OKvIdQ-- Received: from [10.67.105.248] (tr6driver@166.147.125.45 with xymcookie) by smtp109-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Aug 2012 20:23:30 -0700 PDT References: <8CF40B3A8DF17DC-18C0-3F89B@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> <000601cd72b5$3bf0db60$b3d29220$@com> From: Jamie Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 23:23:31 -0400 To: Tim Murphy Cc: "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfifre Part 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Experienced this today with a tr6 engine startup. Check your valve clearances on 1 and 4. Lack of compression = lack of firing. We had valves too tight. Took us 3-4 hours to figure it out... Jamie Palmer On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:51 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Have you tried the old trick of spraying carb cleaner around the intake > manifold and carb mounting on #1 and #4 to see if you somehow have a massive > intake leak causing a very lean mixture and the misfire? > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robertten1@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 6:55 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net; net@newenglandtriumphs.org; nedyno@gmail.co > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfifre Part 2 > > Thanks to all who responded to my problem here. I'll be heading to the dyno > shop on Friday next, hopefully to get baseline and a/f readings. This in > hopes of solving the misfire problem a a little break-in time on the new > engine. > > To recap : Removing the #1 or #4 plug wire there is no difference in engine > note. If remove the #2 or #3 plug wire the engine stumbles. I've checked > the > timing, tried rotating 180 degs ( will not start ). Swapped the plugs > around > and the same 2 cylinders misfire. Swapped the plug wires around and no > change > in results. Checked and cleaned all the engine grounds and the connections > at > the battery. > > I have swapped out complete ignition systems, one is Mallory Dual Point the > other is a PerTronix conversion in the factory Delco Distributor. The > PerTronix is all new parts the module, cap rotor, wires and coil. The > Mallory > is as was before the engine rebuild. There was no noticeable change in my > problem with either system. Re-checked all connectors and connections for > both complete ignition systems found nothing faulty. > > I have done a compression test and all cylinders seem OK. I did a leak-down > test and nothing stood out there either. I had hoped If there was a problem > I > would get some direction in one of these tests. Next I removed the valve > cover brought the crank to top dead center, removed the plug to #1 cylinder > to > verify and checked the lifters for #1 - both are loose ( suggestion from Kas > ) > > I re-torqued the head, checked the valve clearances ( nothing out of place ) > reassembled. Then changed from Platinum plugs to NGK V-Groove plugs and > started the engine. Still a misfire at #1 and #4 ??? > > I have checked the Weber carb, knowing it will need some tuning as I made > some > changes to the engine during the rebuild. The biggest is a custom cam from > Rick Cline. I found I need to lean the Idle Jets as both Idle adjustment > screws could turned in all the way without changing the idle note. A 2 step > leaner jet did result in backing these screws out almost 1 full turn. But > no > change to effect the misfire problem. > > And yes, in all kinds of testing there is spark going to #1 and #4 plugs > just > no change in engine note. A couple good zaps made me feel wide awake > performing those tests, Hmmmm ?? > > So I am going to order another rotor for the Mallory dizzy ( at some one > here > suggestion ) as I grasp at straws for a solution to this misfire problem > > > Engine - .'73 1500 Spit Bored .040" over (recessed blocked) > A/E flat top pistons +.040 > Head - Milled .125" ( big valve head ) > 6.5 to 1 roller rockers Race Push Rods > 10/10 crank polished and balanced > Lightened flywheel @ 12 # > Duplex timing chain set-up > Cline Cam lightened and drilled lifters > Tri Y Headers 2" exhaust > Single Weber 45 DCOE 13 carb Cannon Manifold > > > Stumpdified, > Bob T. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 17:40:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB662D07DB for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:40:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDD82D02DD for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32so1564243qad.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:27:23 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=wng0sO7/hxoqwdgJDsPw/MkbZ82yMiyuHU6cHq1ilIw=; b=NX6RLsRVdaD/COg2OYYTQgAOBSZhcSHCv9+QrOikh+KCaMhcF9gHw4gSLflPJjj9al fVwLAWF6K/ho0L5KxKBsC4kXaletWMw1NqdaULJXXvA/C1yuaHUM0mdXWetkx0+TgUwL GNW0+6ks2j5wKoT5ueT7EPTsUY/17NgR4v4vQouQQ3cQne1c73QK9Biz2c3c4U98R9Ys r0MdCWf421oFCGOkmGteMQDm1m6ftsdhq3phDnIgMgReKrMY8z9AVLNWUHh2xXRKAV5u MHgMNjvEx6YfuWOKFibkKbmD08D61La2mFXp5W/rzYp+KVYjnO7EHiZgLXZlciWap9Nw k/3w== Received: by 10.224.98.74 with SMTP id p10mr20828190qan.8.1344295643877; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:27:23 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing Today. Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but yet again tools I don't have. I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the years. But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one of the most difficult tasks yet. Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts mangled. And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and will go in the car tonight. All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? Craziness. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 18:10:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BC52D07FD for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE6502D0376 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:52:23 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:52:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:52:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:52:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 58547 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 23:52:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344297142; bh=q+je1lNTiO+q4G82wKljpKAVXDOnm2JkUliUWDymzzk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GcW+Ti3zODMcaYwq0DjvghU8x0VmEN6AUg5tnYQVJSAcBUr0LGGixM2Yi0c6J6fzozrf7T2ZiE2uEY+sFisfGAqhnf/b/Ww2eLxpwkvyfkINVlvQ00y06ID9hTz8YvtGvEnKnJsGYwoqM0LBeAE24wmnrVA8OjR0IPUeeq9tbWs= vPBcxHe9jncec_cPrf.aMPMVeuzQXfPg0ukzquRQCxOHNGkHxP4lmJ6Ogej9 uCTNH6gwpTwle.n9RWP4EhNoXCQA.W9npJUX6sHNqbjVAps65DtGZDGwcIZ0 NdNEzKqssA.XuL4GojuScZhs6oVcQIb61lqQwH4s1ebRV9hpLq8ygchVfvA_ Ro0yqWwOA3kApax850f7sCPQ1zVyYCnEVbRpt1_st7jyhQYYpnGn3vtazZ2z lrZlxVyCEBk.A4H1fO.j9zhEkqdTWN9cQVcjsWH1KmcZ.W7d9r9P2EyUV98S ED1m4rMj0fuZeOU6PFmCzxU9_z7QuIiQrrZTwpE4wuWVrtunIEhd1Xleg1pK 8PXZnDIkj6N2g8CPp9CWjRYhU.oIeS6_PbIRWxbKJFcffSQ38g6qirw-- Received: from [192.168.1.69] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Aug 2012 16:52:22 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:52:20 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This question is not of interest to racers, but my street TR250 has had a problem with run-on or dieseling since leaded premium went away back in the 1980s. This has continued through several carb rebuilds, many ignition configuration changes and recently an engine rebuild. During recent rebuild, I tried to remove any sharp areas that might create hot spots and of course all the carbon has been removed, but the problem still persists. There is additional tuning I should and will do such as carb rebuilds, carb needles, timing advance curves, etc., but I suspect this problem will continue. The solution for later Triumphs and other British cars was the anti run-on valve. It appears that the simplest retrofit would be to install a Rover/MG ADU9535 valve. Basically, the valve opens when the ignition is turned off and floods the manifold with air making the mixture too weak to support combustion. Where do I find one of these valves? They do not appear to be available except on ebay.uk. Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 20:28:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81132D0756 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 346982D073E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:26:36 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:26:36 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:26:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:26:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 86609 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2012 02:26:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344306396; bh=VDdwt2FRGaU45D3clYq2HKw1lZV8iTzLEXm+AeMLTl0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fGh6+1dAhpBnO0NECv4OkjEbB2m36FL3uQtSRyWMkyIfJgiNczv2/5Yq8ZkOY5t+qL7IwF1Md1vz4NXBjVtU+7/l5ER7NwGeAK1QxuvjZLf4SGzGJIXeVj8j61cUgLBcPfQUIXhQnlX6x2sHZJSfG4ihGYSJGHy4Rw+mrULUlvU= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ORo/i/t9Iydl5UMq36LmxjlU285fleoGrJaQwocnuZtxHPk8lvyvcQfVIqRi311qH4nLAYGD0JqVSAQ+d656HHgdzqlNsXmyKvhXMMd0F63rZpXh0o0aFy4SDJJ8E0q1Zj9ku21TW99wqJk0Q9q8wyOSl9BFvW2lwo4no86DqQs=; IgUGcT0bI6jOmwVEnrlvwriGDm5BuwQrenZ4RdpnVrxENAwlyJbT293Uvdr4 c59SeE0n6WYYY8wetBmDEVdoh.JCzGcZJRaWLwOMjSo7dthaKVE5TMtMYm.m OnWYLYOCBOdwXBNq8KaamZ6fhLUpDZYPq9HihDh5gbb3WEg9EVDPw7FsMlvq aNcKb_7GygkIKNhyP9UZ5KDeCNf06FSZ5cLmuYvEtLacwCsYYwkArzXR7sv9 EmxuzWwDJsBn7Tz.LJIbjZn1q1y9b1zETzdLSL5t1_Puur4Gd9xWvn8gDoCT DI.wjCXH7pK8gBkP7YhpYtumEoaEzkkDMl0WfiXpG62s6Fe._anDn9nyJzyI V_BNxI6BIYtHTuTdx.WFRT.wQ4qtZdr9iyUT502H0IsYkogC5.uRaVV2nhZs DhTWLNPbg0B5CYY5Yh6ar5nSXDV1DLaemAeC0JX6UJpdL3sk25yH1peOQlYT ZdT7Nr_KxVcvwebN3LSQRTkCMlRUNLOvQj3n4n2PI07sGPUtF3c.7IBruIO5 tl.CnXeL.uFYzfqM0.DRL7w0rlIZEehJPq0JonJYPPl_pa4WpD5ifjD4v45V sB309AsSZl7zte6OGvS5lAMmzYbWAVFKUFCBjqI50MnI3KZQNih45.0mh9AR nOGevYnf1J6s- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:26:36 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: triumph friends , Jason Ostrowski Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jason: Helpful hint for the future...sorry it comes too late. I use a hole saw and drill the rubber and center tube out. Then I use a hacksaw blade (you could use an air driven hacksaw) and cut through the outer tube. One cut is usually enough; sometimes it takes two cuts. That allows the tube to collaspe. To put the new ones in, I bevel the leading edge and smear anti-seize on the the metal outside. A press makes these go right in. Again, sorry you had a less then joyful day. -Ed- --- On Mon, 8/6/12, Jason Ostrowski wrote: From: Jason Ostrowski Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential To: "triumph friends" Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 6:27 PM Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing Today. Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but yet again tools I don't have. I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the years. But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one of the most difficult tasks yet. Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts mangled. And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and will go in the car tonight. All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? Craziness. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 20:29:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F8C2D0778 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s16.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s16.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61F92D074B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W51 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s16.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:30:28 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: Larry Young , fot Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:30:28 +0000 References: <502058B4.5030606@pobox.com> FILETIME=[9BF1DDD0:01CD7444] Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In the olden days it was advised to reduce the idle rpm and that would cure the problem, no valve, just a screw driver. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:52:20 -0500 > From: cartravel@pobox.com > To: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 > > This question is not of interest to racers, but my street TR250 has had > a problem with run-on or dieseling since leaded premium went away back > in the 1980s. This has continued through several carb rebuilds, many > ignition configuration changes and recently an engine rebuild. During > recent rebuild, I tried to remove any sharp areas that might create hot > spots and of course all the carbon has been removed, but the problem > still persists. There is additional tuning I should and will do such as > carb rebuilds, carb needles, timing advance curves, etc., but I suspect > this problem will continue. The solution for later Triumphs and other > British cars was the anti run-on valve. It appears that the simplest > retrofit would be to install a Rover/MG ADU9535 valve. Basically, the > valve opens when the ignition is turned off and floods the manifold with > air making the mixture too weak to support combustion. Where do I find > one of these valves? They do not appear to be available except on ebay.uk. > Larry > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 20:29:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D19E2D07BA for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C3B92D0751 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:30:34 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:30:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 02:30:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59234 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2012 02:30:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344306634; bh=7URkPI+2xbi5RuJXtOIxzTQZ7zi/isd0d+1BAR3pkOw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=puKIhvU5ls4kNInmcI+OGOf3kqpevSnVWFwJXJfRaKXdIJbh3sQjkUmF9d1jxpNHbihqglcNvIYhjOLrBUsoLdOVwy5to4zeNsJr4BgZlNkwSZgf3cSB1FPUYTIjvFPsUf91uEdCWTlTLW+ZI5yQ6DhPSthaW+G1HatIOENZA0w= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0AhAGuhTKdQe0pkGoUpNXhTRs/ojfzKx5kkQZsgybUyNGW1rDZ/xDzzrv1VmXN6cD0h3Ugkafs2UwtBYcEh05SvKrhA90KZUYyglYETqUfe/PS6ChIEVlvdsvoOod0aphXUHoqjFWhY1Fpp15Clqj7nmoLK/jfOEhuUnb3QH+0k=; WUNyrwUEvoVLzRsiBxhvccW820sHJvmcYYIjkgsPPRCBI9wjw1TNL1iyYdhP SpEoUdwRNhjcGRTqR.7aGjiarMcf3s8a9qjpcMX.U_HsDZTDTm02oBiFpXoE HPuoHIbK6buOdPx3TytvMmzvk3y0BTKxYeaaqTq3eOkgiGlAmIYF3X83GGqn nusyNF1SA4KASJzMq_iugfgmX1vF0vr6ak6gVBURNr3VdC_rGEnw3rFAWF21 yfLqalyQNRaGIUvV3KIf9FZYPBcmpW2Ma3mHhpy7xKA4YDF_ffu2sWgPYuNJ Fpi7K.HK1JCl9C7gRqD1JLQUChCM_fuEbjcPUMw8.mcjnDX65NAQp7ZU2PfE mWk2KRr8x5XPJPrkZITsKC3YjMfSijJ00g.smACTirjeCDv8vAPQbBGJtvjY mhPijpzr0f3tsfjA6ck6FuuBrvdZVHqY3TL8N2ktGU4G3npv6iY5EZvRgnd. AnpgOy0O.Gf9u86LcY4jP4Pf3lDaSDbsJa35Le5jfkZP22XRuwqJuPEv6K2q 6R1yMx66W_bHrQa6eI4rYhLMv1HmhHA9N49m1ZZvEVt71sWTINLFX5vF8zQ5 blu43Suu3l5d2HPTMI2xWN4pxqSwmrVzwqsCIh4MZTMmViZU8wZ_WoAVGxcn t5xLjNjLUBVyfIgvB_MZBGHvRGJhdAwyPRcQWkESQSZQ- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:30:34 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:30:34 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT@autox.team.net, Larry Young Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Larry: Send me your address and one will miraculously appear in your mail box from the run-on gods. Life is good:O) -ED- --- On Mon, 8/6/12, Larry Young wrote: From: Larry Young Subject: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 To: FOT@autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 6, 2012, 6:52 PM This question is not of interest to racers, but my street TR250 has had a problem with run-on or dieseling since leaded premium went away back in the 1980s. This has continued through several carb rebuilds, many ignition configuration changes and recently an engine rebuild. During recent rebuild, I tried to remove any sharp areas that might create hot spots and of course all the carbon has been removed, but the problem still persists. There is additional tuning I should and will do such as carb rebuilds, carb needles, timing advance curves, etc., but I suspect this problem will continue. The solution for later Triumphs and other British cars was the anti run-on valve. It appears that the simplest retrofit would be to install a Rover/MG ADU9535 valve. Basically, the valve opens when the ignition is turned off and floods the manifold with air making the mixture too weak to support combustion. Where do I find one of these valves? They do not appear to be available except on ebay.uk. Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 22:02:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ED12D075B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 604FC2D03F3 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 04:03:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.74] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 04:03:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 04:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23318 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2012 04:03:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344312184; bh=cqormivBzteeibEKAZLKL7rxmC7jJmAWmofMhcn569o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dTNBEmJQ6NOHtQT0ZZH5t6Zvd+/AQ0R9YRUsKZZfmHdEqFBrALECefRxJMlL2xFmmGwaWRZEamJ5ZgLVLzPNG7zpqy+8BmdmUlFIFJGp09MkfPBKnvd6UErmln4OXnQOFYbZbX6RErbFB1UHAK/OagrUioo1KkiT7FAYrd19WG8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1VKmhP7PHYOz8oa/HEjMZdEJLi8OEtg4gRrH9OSnJkLRv7UN+l897im/5MQ2bJn+dQni4BU0jlS3vRxEG9fFTVvgt9aIa9NB/p76wWL3IVxr+L06234Q7AiKS6PGjn/6a5LvuAa3t5yXBSflXuI2YmqyAWzaIsfHKZ6x599nqI8=; 7svaMDM6NPbsTrCzlHzBmrJ6C0G3SNxXAIuAgp9PWApnMeoxdxVqok039SiO bs6FionvDKbflKmch4V.J9FgIwkMIa84I7HDcKTKcuAH3LB3lydmbvyhcGdT PyTEPK4k1p2XYGMOqSAnIO1LfBipkIhuJHqzjpa0NdMip7FTakXUYtQNHrC1 cclgYZFlSYy.jmKalEW8eaVSAcMM8GtHGe_d6dwszlN0kpivg2KKyqvpr2dv H_R2YMGa06x_VEGc1mPu23sw0rk..rjuvgsZDc6JnIigKBj7rFcTPc3KEkh7 S3nq6Po9N4S.E.j51e1D9ERCxoc_X.N9OefgkiAaDBIlmLhLJI68p7hEvtsZ igFq5L6Ke1P6JT_uAf3XzmxAeThWkrZXisviXF4j9fzNwA9eZlt1mJPRY20m tZiuoExtV_Zn4wmYxHc5brGfXwGZOL1xFXiL1Ux4wHXAHQNOjD1WJwcpDVUp 2mqHPEqgFHGP_J.4HDZ0qYyb5k9v1SLA- Received: from [67.195.23.211] by web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:03:04 PDT References: <502058B4.5030606@pobox.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Larry Young , FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With my TR6 there is still a bit of run on even with the valve. It doesn't seem to be the end of the world to kill it with a combination of clutch out brake in. Jim ________________________________ From: Larry Young To: FOT@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, August 6, 2012 5:13:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 This question is not of interest to racers, but my street TR250 has had a problem with run-on or dieseling since leaded premium went away back in the 1980s. This has continued through several carb rebuilds, many ignition configuration changes and recently an engine rebuild. During recent rebuild, I tried to remove any sharp areas that might create hot spots and of course all the carbon has been removed, but the problem still persists. There is additional tuning I should and will do such as carb rebuilds, carb needles, timing advance curves, etc., but I suspect this problem will continue. The solution for later Triumphs and other British cars was the anti run-on valve. It appears that the simplest retrofit would be to install a Rover/MG ADU9535 valve. Basically, the valve opens when the ignition is turned off and floods the manifold with air making the mixture too weak to support combustion. Where do I find one of these valves? They do not appear to be available except on ebay.uk. Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 00:09:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6B72D076E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CF92D0743; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so1130073eaa.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:00:43 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=tp9Bai48ZyL8ewk7mZfWK2WpHEXNig/ikflp0XgQ1xs=; b=unYafVue1j11u5H1FcEUIHHPscN6vvjbRri/TFTCrEnYjws5CjxXA1TWapvo2miEuR J4vFibDMGn7G2D2ZFWBowEmy1w2TXgIiC57z20LnJbzSRhAMJlnpYytASjPTEk06MPRb B39MWrgz89aKVbw3Z3ClL4wBeUfr0KZWT6wQ64d3UXR6q7+yvRFbMGXRnH5wwGZIU8zd VlPGm05p5VkuT+hc8FUZRNUitDXY9sPsjeX+bHUMpZVV0RXMpMvnWl2AAjdikKZmdRKP dXbqTPsz9rDyTk04ffPstS/2wtEIUMk+KSnC03vUMvNHTjIr4Q+9cLhfpgbKhrxfm12o FZrg== Received: by 10.14.180.68 with SMTP id i44mr10729420eem.20.1344319243140; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.173 (bda-178-239-83-176.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm53076077eeg.16.2012.08.06.23.00.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:00:42 -0700 (PDT) References: Sensitivity: Normal To: "Jason Ostrowski" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"triumph friends" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:00:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Head up! You've made it. Diff work is one of the unpleasant part with any car. Now the happy times are back. I hate these diff work too but made me dummy bearing which slip to the diff without force and installing is a pleasure. If everything is right then the final bearing are forced in place. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing Today. Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but yet again tools I don't have. I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the years. But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one of the most difficult tasks yet. Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts mangled. And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and will go in the car tonight. All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? Craziness. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 03:04:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9C72D075D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A512D075B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:02:45 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ZnYawsYgAAAA:8 a=FuNoPKS8oa-ZsulUT0UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4D/5D-29356-C4AD0205; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:05:17 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'triumph friends'" References: <20120807060945.E279B2D0764@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:05:16 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac10Y5vpXO1knyvtR5CEiknZ/z8j3QAF2IKQ Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > I hate these diff work too but made me dummy bearing which > slip to the diff without force and installing is a pleasure. Something to watch for, though, not all new bearings are the same thickness as the old ones. I opened a pair of diff carrier bearings the other day that were not only both different than the originals, but different from each other! I've ordered another pair from a different source, supposedly Timken brand this time, maybe they'll be better. But last time I went through this, the input bearing was different by roughly .030" and they were both Timkens. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 07:29:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDE12D0721 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E98DC2D06E7 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 13:28:13 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 13:28:13 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 13:28:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2012 13:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3534 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2012 13:28:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344346092; bh=i7zG72ZrrI6g9sMhkykHZvOh9zcEg9zp8ppDm0c6iPU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iRiDSW0lPqj7UXkWRLFpRF5RbvW6UM0vW26qxZLJRzczElOlBeA/OqolAF9rGnEc8PydctpK+cbFzFkGwKV02YaJSm7Q9+Mkxq8oT9nKQFhp3K7bWF9lLVv+Z99xmrW2DVuohO7GZVpDZ0Z1LPA8bmPqTAV5fveP5/dfmnMGgQA= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5TdEf30tHt9+LGF/n+YrswSOIT+5dp2gKQOWTTGQ8yfO3rFeCXUHbDnfdQ7gx804kHG74OQtyvCmhm1HhZSlWPh5XpNv4D0FNVCdSWUZuaCdBMX7g7kTqzGiMxDR8UxwL6c8+1UM4SWDq/5VhmCp3XFzzywnujABSlZN1FWC+4I=; aTq14TMWzYOhZhNX6ltIter4L0YELgF4vhyBCa2d9Ew3Tt6x73B94jVLNLtK _3Zkyj1QheIWbbG0OjcoC09esUWP5AZ5ccDfa9cpHOng1qdfVrdUboTiSnUe AL2rXUj7kITdhkxm2Rhl2ju5n0aYiE8mQt56JDTep.tvUvdtcpsSOHToHHNP 1QjLK3vwqKgx6UHikkpsWmW6SZk6VLmlwXK_1OvQOm4s7.l8fZIHNGTnnzvP p7RKrx0aUgFVP_mbu3EnsuCLIczJXNkY5kg8dD3JC1LH9L_CgCCkVz6kqNll raQUFkH5EjpkoVEMSm1vgDlb6up0ZwFgQU4qJ7gGJWVREo09HMdTd0jB58NX vtNX7BAMptbL8GwUZHiKCGYr8ivE5.LqLXqBntsQC7Ham.alio9AHibYKnse hJFZzebn7CHSdPpNaibIO__Y3p0aCa0oFdp_yw.2t2Ayzg_58x_4Ks7.mzPv v0EYkatcn6mpD4KU_NaxP9OopsnFBXbXCr1JGzDGUXol64KTMjNNzzWG5RSt wGSqdWXnG_06.YN02knTWj4yKixLKZSLXC81T9TkVvlURNZ6WrCabPQBiw2Y 4taF_KPR_MSp3hEha7z_q4ONZv_oefTdUlHy78YNuOAOzVvdGqNyuNWhakEa PyW1PP.Py7k3Lt34q1y4- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:28:11 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Jason Ostrowski , triumph friends , tr4racing@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris: I believe one of us is mistaken in what Jason was doing. I'm under the impression the he was replacing the mounting bushings on the rear of a Spit/GT6 pumpkin. I think you believe he was replacing the carrier bearings. Either way, he's over the hump and it's well earned smiles now and something to talk about in the paddock on a Saturday night. -Ed- --- On Tue, 8/7/12, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential To: "Jason Ostrowski" , fot-bounces@autox.team.net, "triumph friends" Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:00 AM Head up! You've made it. Diff work is one of the unpleasant part with any car. Now the happy times are back. I hate these diff work too but made me dummy bearing which slip to the diff without force and installing is a pleasure. If everything is right then the final bearing are forced in place. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing Today. Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but yet again tools I don't have. I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the years. But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one of the most difficult tasks yet. Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts mangled. And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and will go in the car tonight. All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? Craziness. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 08:02:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6AD2D075B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7D02D06EC for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2018150bkc.14 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:58:53 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=gC5p2+rV4GwhIIS334CTnBJaFwh3hPxnIlzVz0UTJBU=; b=aq8W9mK/O5gkD8uIiG++TqAewu90FU+lR6iQi6O6jyxF4+wYKFcfYJFvGqkjxj9Ipn dC2lOKnP9rUopIMU6l82B7pYWev+FRRxQ9cTenGFKN73NGvhu1p8oTgHo9HSe0bE/Gis eH7vQF1GyaMwawolQGZR9CuU2i5jZrI0Bb4suxcRf9xU29fLaS4mXVvdZqq46U8o7wDH mpzR621R5XGqhkItNMQTt+q2IuICrwH0VdLR5q3LHxqFt0YzWYg8qURqK3GzNyKen533 hXRTFcuDQxrJHp0zg9lD68/J85Ss7Xktsshl258s68vjo6oDTT7RYAfXbbZNccpuuQo/ 6l0g== Received: by 10.204.128.196 with SMTP id l4mr5929452bks.21.1344347932842; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-84-251-61.web.vodafone.de. [109.84.251.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu8sm8929977bkc.5.2012.08.07.06.58.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:58:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'EDWARD BARNARD'" , "'Jason Ostrowski'" , "'triumph friends'" References: <20120807060928.250F22D0748@autox.team.net> <1344346091.3130.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:58:48 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac10oH+4JwDHxYmjTrSKkxfUbajr8QABDhfg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think you are right. I was on the wrong path. Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. August 2012 15:28 An: Jason Ostrowski; triumph friends; tr4racing@googlemail.com Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Chris: I believe one of us is mistaken in what Jason was doing. I'm under the impression the he was replacing the mounting bushings on the rear of a Spit/GT6 pumpkin. I think you believe he was replacing the carrier bearings. Either way, he's over the hump and it's well earned smiles now and something to talk about in the paddock on a Saturday night. -Ed- --- On Tue, 8/7/12, tr4racing@googlemail.com wrote: From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential To: "Jason Ostrowski" , fot-bounces@autox.team.net, "triumph friends" Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:00 AM Head up! You've made it. Diff work is one of the unpleasant part with any car. Now the happy times are back. I hate these diff work too but made me dummy bearing which slip to the diff without force and installing is a pleasure. If everything is right then the final bearing are forced in place. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski > : Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:27:23 To: triumph friends > Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing Today. Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but yet again tools I don't have. I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the years. But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one of the most difficult tasks yet. Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts mangled. And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and will go in the car tonight. All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? Craziness. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 10:07:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D9F2D0774 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E99E2D0712 for ; 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07 Aug 2012 10:37:32 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:37:28 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Kas Kastner References: <502058B4.5030606@pobox.com> Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've got the idle as low as it will go at about 1,000. I think I might get it down to 800 with some carb work, but in the past it would still occur at 800. I have removed the vacuum retard, which helps the idle. I've been letting the clutch out to kill it for the past 25 years and would like to fix the problem rather than continue to work around it. I was hoping a carbon free engine after the rebuild would cure it, but it didn't. I don't fully understand the later TR6 setup, but I've heard it requires special carbs and was tied into the charcoal canister. The ADU9535 seems like the simplest way to go for a retro fit, since it could be tied into the brake booster line. Ed, if you've got one I'll be glad to take it off your hands. Larry On 8/6/2012 9:30 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In the olden days it was advised to reduce the idle rpm and that would > cure the problem, no valve, just a screw driver. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 12:29:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733C32D0770 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DCB2D0726 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:20:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120807182305714; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:23:05 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 369879883; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:22:59 -0500 From: To: "Larry Young" , "Kas Kastner" References: <502058B4.5030606@pobox.com> <50215258.40100@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:22:59 -0500 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net the refusal to achieve a slower idle speed makes me suspect a vacuum leak. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:37 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 I've got the idle as low as it will go at about 1,000. I think I might get it down to 800 with some carb work, but in the past it would still occur at 800. I have removed the vacuum retard, which helps the idle. I've been letting the clutch out to kill it for the past 25 years and would like to fix the problem rather than continue to work around it. I was hoping a carbon free engine after the rebuild would cure it, but it didn't. I don't fully understand the later TR6 setup, but I've heard it requires special carbs and was tied into the charcoal canister. The ADU9535 seems like the simplest way to go for a retro fit, since it could be tied into the brake booster line. Ed, if you've got one I'll be glad to take it off your hands. Larry On 8/6/2012 9:30 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In the olden days it was advised to reduce the idle rpm and that would > cure the problem, no valve, just a screw driver. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5183 - Release Date: 08/07/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 14:37:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AE92D0751 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D726C2D0712 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from usera1aa7i3nf0 ([unknown] [173.49.186.169]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M8E001D7JM9O5N2@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:30:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "William Dewar" To: , "Larry Young" , "Kas Kastner" References: <502058B4.5030606@pobox.com> <50215258.40100@pobox.com> <660C1957BDA74575917FE17E6359005A@rileyPC> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:30:19 -0400 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The later cars that used the anti-runon had carbs that were plumbed differently than the 68-71 versions. They also had a different oil pressure switch to momentarily activate anti-run on shut down. I do not have a TR6 manual handy but looking at the emissions and wiring diagram on a 75-76 TR6 should explain it.I don't think it was designed just to cause a large vacuum leak but to mess with the vacuum-pressure balance in the carb behind the throttle plate. You probably can make it work on an earlier carb setup, just not exactly as designed for the later one. They also had much lower compression which probably aided shut down. It would be interesting to hear if any one on the list has made it work on an early car. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Larry Young" ; "Kas Kastner" Cc: "fot" Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 > the refusal to achieve a slower idle speed makes me suspect a vacuum leak. > > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Young > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:37 PM > To: Kas Kastner > Cc: fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Anti Runon Valve ADU9535 > > I've got the idle as low as it will go at about 1,000. I think I might > get it down to 800 with some carb work, but in the past it would still > occur at 800. I have removed the vacuum retard, which helps the idle. > I've been letting the clutch out to kill it for the past 25 years and > would like to fix the problem rather than continue to work around it. I > was hoping a carbon free engine after the rebuild would cure it, but it > didn't. I don't fully understand the later TR6 setup, but I've heard it > requires special carbs and was tied into the charcoal canister. The > ADU9535 seems like the simplest way to go for a retro fit, since it > could be tied into the brake booster line. Ed, if you've got one I'll > be glad to take it off your hands. > Larry > > On 8/6/2012 9:30 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > In the olden days it was advised to reduce the idle rpm and that would > > cure the problem, no valve, just a screw driver. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5183 - Release Date: 08/07/12 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 9 10:36:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from usmx02.thermofisher.com (usmx02.thermofisher.com [12.199.218.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD6D2D02CD for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from voltage-pp-0000.thermofisher.com ([12.199.217.100]) by usmx02.thermofisher.com with ESMTP id uo4tVf9GwN1lDMsv (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:38:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from uspho-mxet02.amer.thermo.com (uspho-mxet02.amer.thermo.com [10.161.198.45]) by voltage-pp-0000.thermofisher.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q79GcXww000468; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:38:33 -0700 Received: from uspho-mxht01.amer.thermo.com (10.161.196.45) by uspho-mxet02.amer.thermo.com (10.161.198.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.245.1; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:38:39 -0700 Received: from uspho-mxvs06.amer.thermo.com ([fe80::4984:36e4:77b1:6a24]) by uspho-mxht01.amer.thermo.com ([fe80::84e1:eae7:bb14:d667%14]) with mapi; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:38:33 -0700 From: "Weitzel, Cheryl" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:37:28 -0700 Subject: URGENT REPLY FROM YOU. Thread-Topic: URGENT REPLY FROM YOU. Thread-Index: AQHNdk0/G3Qw0LHJ7E2F+MdXNvjuFA== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Undisclosed recipients:; Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.67 URG_BIZ BODY: Contains urgent matter 1.10 TVD_PH_SUBJ_URGENT TVD_PH_SUBJ_URGENT 0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419) 0.01 SARE_FRAUD_X3 Matches 3+ phrases commonly used in fraud spam 1.00 BSF_SC0_MV0028 Custom Rule BSF_SC0_MV0028 1.67 SARE_FRAUD_X3_2 Matches 3+ phrases commonly used in fraud spam ATTENTION: =20 I am BRIGADIER GENERAL JOSEPH DONKOR, the Chief of General Staff, GHANA. 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This is a 3.7:1 ratio and is new in the box. I would like to sell it for $450. This fits the TR-2 through the TR-6. Also a set of 4 new in the box AE Hepolite pistons for TR3-4 in a 86MM+.020" size. These are in the original box and are complete with rings; pins and clips. Part number is 12655 or later was 113560. I am asking $240 for these, again to fund another British based project. It's an addiction! Please contact me privately if you are interested or have questions. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 01:12:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD47F2D02F3 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out2.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out2.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017FF2D02F3 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.64.240]) by icp-osb-irony-out2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 13 Aug 2012 15:12:34 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:12:25 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac15Iv3OmguPhM//Q9SOo/synB8/Cw== Content-Language: en-au Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass Panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Can anyone recommend a supplier for TR6 Fiberglass panels? I think we had a discussion about 'quality' suppliers some time ago? But can't recall the general consensus or outcome. Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 01:44:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAE72D0301 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB22E2D02F3 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so2569431wgb.20 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:46:19 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=C6BqK+OTXYjxzIyVmkum+53rPM8mdq4F+sMgRgHnq7M=; b=gSCvBUYrgqNdKYa1gHo1YwJsojQLmq6pJAVxLDF6PiV0FkESS5KJsXmReU7DkCiEi+ +2AwkQPn3Trt+gPUFeJFiPHHR7TggcHasFRAnfof2YymBQ1TKy7l4mssPQl5Ip4h7uAB A4Q7sIMMFFZaNgtPFWO0VK5FeWmFFqcCCQimzlcGFwD0hofV2d4XDVmo2kQ7jLW73sU4 /IVfShVKF1AToszqRMKYmalH7i3+IB1DneUntWNiRbj/tCrNgp49kuBcv1+egBoQQtaE QNsLZ8o0VZRZsV7HO1TWL2hGQ9mQzIVqXoJz6nB3qaIGtWiceiL3/doi7X+/RO7Z9390 b/Hg== Received: by 10.180.107.103 with SMTP id hb7mr16280427wib.3.1344843978776; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([46.79.198.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ep14sm15836446wid.0.2012.08.13.00.46.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Peter Vucinic'" , References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:46:15 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac15Iv3OmguPhM//Q9SOo/synB8/CwABJ4+g Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass Panels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I buy my parts here: http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/default.htm Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2012 09:12 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Fiberglass Panels Listers, Can anyone recommend a supplier for TR6 Fiberglass panels? I think we had a discussion about 'quality' suppliers some time ago? But can't recall the general consensus or outcome. Many thanks Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 10:12:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F782D033F for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1AD2D02E8 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:12:51 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=X_2QdFezALgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=u2rTkIjLY9TWhq03aE4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=d4gGDZaDICcExNkiAGQA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:54450] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 98/07-01685-02829205; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:15:28 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:15:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac15bt9FxO8x9BYkRH6nmSys8yGNiA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] thinning the herd. so to speak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 40 year old stash (hoarded!) of TR-3 and TR-4/4A/250 sheetmetal. I will cut some loose to fund the next British restoration "adventure" if anyone is interested. Realize it is NOT economically feasible to ship a TR-250 hood to Oregon....... Possibly could relay panels through other racers, exchanging at events. Please contact me off line if interested or with questions and let me know what you're looking for. TR-3/4 pistons are sold, taking offers on the New in Box ring and pinion gear set for TR2-6. Russ Moore _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 13:54:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9592D036E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BB82D036C for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:54:50 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=XZcUHk_sT04A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=qTLlmNt2O_TsnPyZZgIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Hs-aPaBKN8-LAqke:21 a=blaNG7DyowbfGldi:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:56115] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 61/86-02978-72C59205; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:57:27 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:57:35 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac15bt9FxO8x9BYkRH6nmSys8yGNiAAHsR2A Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] FW: thinning the herd. so to speak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, I forgot to mention I am located in upstate NY (14817). This is about 28 miles from Watkins Glen where there is a vintage race in September (SVRA) and also one in October (VRG). -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:16 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] thinning the herd. so to speak I have a 40 year old stash (hoarded!) of TR-3 and TR-4/4A/250 sheetmetal. I will cut some loose to fund the next British restoration "adventure" if anyone is interested. Realize it is NOT economically feasible to ship a TR-250 hood to Oregon....... Possibly could relay panels through other racers, exchanging at events. Please contact me off line if interested or with questions and let me know what you're looking for. TR-3/4 pistons are sold, taking offers on the New in Box ring and pinion gear set for TR2-6. Russ Moore _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 08:23:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1E32C0D1D for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7657F2C071C for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so392664wey.14 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic :thread-index:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=PzO0E830ZfpzxSKw0PUUC6I7JW77nYxN1CFB1zqIlXE=; b=I1xD1i1LxVmaxTDeoYAR3yi3KGAm8s94bBwdssMinHvbSezu36qqchxFWXyEemnr09 WLgn81tu++WagP9CECJC2MZ0zKzx0x3WsMP3jJvzOs+EyQFWutIrJDZRvU4N6ZOgXHrG 6sfzYK5ARfhzxc6qPQ89QX0AKo/GZQeiv9h/N/kwZv+GQBsPTrnPhXkcv9zyNUgYcgdb xRqkrfNra+u+yV1MqTGJSScBdbWg7QeruETp+CWPT44b5T3GSbsiGXmcs24qTTgbWJDf xtHV9xu0Eqv0/9YnHFI+n6VU/2CsEXWQz08bVzWF/RT85LqGJvnLzNMwWLSsrpivDfrA 21bw== Received: by 10.50.182.162 with SMTP id ef2mr11893112igc.43.1344953918086; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (adsl-70-130-130-172.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net. [70.130.130.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c3sm21617712iga.8.2012.08.14.07.18.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:18:37 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.10.0.080409 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:24:23 -0500 From: Craig Leinicke To: Thread-Topic: TR6 Parts For Sale Thread-Index: Ac16KIAYcpOpJItA90SVTkjQu09gWg== Subject: [Fot] TR6 Parts For Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TR6 Parts for Sale 1972 TR6 roller fitted with 4 fiberglass fenders, fiberglass rockers, and fiberglass rear cowl, still in gel coat. Highly modified rear suspension. Hubs modified for oversize rotors and calipers. $500 Clear title in hand. TR6 differential center section set up with Detroit Locker limited slip and 4.1 gear set. Condition is probably NOS. $1000. (plus shipping) Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing (636) 236-8452 Ellisville, MO _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 11:02:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416832D021B for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C32F2D0186 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2012 17:05:15 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.45] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2012 17:04:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2012 17:04:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344963855; bh=wDoAzy4odLBlecThgdcs1MIyVXUNvXRGUT+HRCkkLcQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nkH9ddQ94lJE0ytHemaj3Myv9IGg/nPe/MPvjv/RF7WYmCWshQWVb/v0A2ZPWwZKf9t3IHghU1YQz1Ee0haIidzWHW02YdxKRA7woFqy5lWYnxDBTwCudk9nigmiPymi9i2ge7ZgOBjtcP1P0a7O8R9fg+bUSC2hQ1RCOavfMy4= wGOWP9s6PuwEEh4M9smPu.oxPJIZHyDjitf1Fx7211axhj5rEtT2pIVfwYeP O4v2uEQXFYQFULGNi8JWAfeeC7_PUL32Z12jhVGRegeMiVETXc3Y9NyrY2CN .KJB0cSrILbfNAeFFLRFnMyRI6AmtJgNHz.6qqlZckgcM92F5Q5SvYH03YCO nXf4Fsw0qLFS5HM3PZ8rh7QYTyy8RA2XZzVoy4Kov5xtv_0QJcZbjTchkRl9 xOImL8P86Wi3E1aFACHz7D_b9e_jwJ5UymYXnqMc6XVjPq2t36BAyUfpaR4z AlKMnRYco1S5OlMIfkyoc4_Nm1wEAhXsSyzEou8nyJ8Nc_OQlJUjLuzGA5kt d3AhDly297EwAb9337RE2p3Dg3dltMYoif8px6M.AqbdMws4hnA99aPvbXiT tO1Q8RC.R86tib.1NhQmU Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dmitchel@68.248.74.7 with plain) by smtp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2012 10:04:15 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:03:48 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: Fot Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Race @ MIS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, Anybody running the ChumpCar race at MIS on August 25-26? Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 13:47:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920BD2D021A for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC542D0208 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120814194512570; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:45:12 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 384105510; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:44:59 -0500 From: To: "Doug Mitchell" , "Fot" References: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] ChumpCar Race @ MIS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think that date is the ChumpCar race at Iowa Speedway in Newton. I will be there as crew for Team Quadrifoolio. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:03 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Race @ MIS Amici, Anybody running the ChumpCar race at MIS on August 25-26? Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5197 - Release Date: 08/13/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 14:19:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F226E2D0218 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCD62D01C2 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2012 20:15:19 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.202] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2012 20:15:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2012 20:15:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344975319; bh=S78bMTvzOgvguKLmMZxRK7tz4Oe97p2mwW+30Lm1K4k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OgOM6AZi3/NK4wmMkajMOZW6bAzilC7nyY3w7wekYhgfUal/b1pJyMD4pJM50QtZNCnxyBNqiXeYVVmXY7Ti4FjiGrWLYntHcv9q+MhfxWgcYtWUbvsuvVKUZMMehuDf6fIwanO3LGJ51ryrkPHpmPgWoTpPcxdIZSSyrkvsHYY= Vmsy.2XmCwahDvhp9k9tVtOMHGdosDkLz_MLnRaP5ChR9klJCRY4ue_GDhba Q678RQIvHEgsqo5jQwEqgFa3hOPOplq3b2D.csd27EPs3Nnyl8TtjwxJVCI4 ure5MxXhT8MZwmFdjskEWuu01pmzAg.Kz9VOhiVrkiult00k8qqpk_6Lxwcw rmFmO0MPmQuRkJi3LCUHWxFg9_3ibsR9SkEEglSdU1WG5SjC5oAbRVxJXp5X BdNFyRxZIMsltEC7a2CcQf5.2HSGXVe2NCZCBsd.XlS_1JYFurv7J2kOszG8 TvPHHdtvxBSwrQs.mXGdfKQ2d6yBR1vdIITeUnmQHLu4w5uc8j0vIGSXQACe VBtdj1C1m1vTK3yRnqck87T5cukAV9rnJCoBBUSaPcWBHI4PgBLJa1mSUFjw 0O3ih2gmwsVMLw28SFDm.dJxAdQ5d8y1TdNSbdgh66DNL0lprlqxe6ZiDEwB QdeaE3IvOuPYSUpNH7owX_lfDEMyzuub5JJIVNQekerZuJQIbjvP3egSzGA- - Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dmitchel@68.248.74.7 with plain) by smtp213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2012 13:15:19 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:15:21 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: riverside@southslope.net Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] ChumpCar Race @ MIS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are races at both locations. According to the ChumpCar site, the race at Iowa is a 24 hour one, while the race at MIS is a double 7. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad riverside@southslope.net wrote: >I think that date is the ChumpCar race at Iowa Speedway in Newton. >I will be there as crew for Team Quadrifoolio. > >art de armond > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Mitchell >Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:03 PM >To: Fot >Subject: [Fot] ChumpCar Race @ MIS > >Amici, > >Anybody running the ChumpCar race at MIS on August 25-26? > >Cheers, > >Doug Mitchell >dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > >Sent from my ASUS Pad >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net > > > > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5197 - Release Date: 08/13/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 14:50:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C582D01C2 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamtest3.bright.net (spamtest3.bright.net [209.143.0.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B632D0186 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by spamtest3.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7EKq5gA015006; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:52:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id BKM37517; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:52:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:52:10 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] clutch discs and John Clancy's DVD's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT list. Last week or or so there was some discussion of competition and high performance clutch discs. We have sold these for several years. Here is a list of clutch discs, lining and styles. Solid center (no take up springs) - 8 1/2" diameter - full circle organic lining - $135* Solid center paddle style - 4 paddle (6 1/2") - $100; 6 paddle (8 1/2") - $135* Spring center clutch with thicker metal web to hold friction material (metal holding friction material won't tear out) and HD take up springs - $150 (good high perf. street or autocross) * available with 1 1/4" 10 spline center or 1" 23 spline for CR gear set. Add $40 for Kevlar lining. We stock the entire range, including California Air, of John Clancy's DVD's. These are listed on our website. John and his wife used our booth at The Mitty a central place to display (and sell) John's range of DVD's. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 07:07:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ABB2D01C2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DE62C0C9F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7FD9qSs014517 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:09:54 -0400 Received: from core-msd004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.13]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C9B37E00008E for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:09:53 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.157) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:09:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:09:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345036194; bh=Y+TiunxI0R2qOk5TwQeixsAi54G+szkO7eJ2ong4qhA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E2mqsdWmL3kLCW/uzf27pKHKkDjoma1wBHWtvI1BZiH4DzhR1XmCyWVlARHZvyUCt e0+S6Ig2VemylUhRUax8udINqFqnmUI3fjkazB+uWR2F1haH3MxCcPlQ8yXrtyOOAU kTEPfApebiFTzJAYFQEk2/jS7Barzcc310U5v4M4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d502b9fa148a0 Subject: [Fot] SCCA RUNOFFS SEPTEMBER 2012 SAM HALKIAS and ??? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: I know that SAM HALKIAS TR6 will be running on Saturday of the RUNOFFS. Anyone else running? Brendan Alexander approached me about going for at least Saturday. How could I say no? Anyone else going? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 07:34:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC092D036B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com [173.254.64.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AF0D82D02CD for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24011 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2012 13:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2012 13:33:19 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=50060 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T1dip-0005aH-0a for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:33:19 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:33:19 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Grattan anyone Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, anyone going to Grattan this coming weekend? Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 07:51:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5082D032E for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1577A2D027A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:51:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7FDrH55000725; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0400 Received: from core-mtc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.17]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F76DE00008F; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:53:20 -0400 (EDT) To: tony@tonydrews.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345038801; bh=CCoGf6xQEokAMivpyKbq/eriohuhNl/E7pEarVl5aew=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ai6p7K0WzOpakeoSnC59258nmFDD+SEoV7rQKRtvbAmbNFd3Yc2Ocad3SXzVemyz9 611WA6CDipQjVGkvWvOmjI51DvzliRJuwpcrt9jdt9fp9UrGQbiPJPBJPbCHrpXhUx Tu8OV4SLQ/h6cEgPrwWR1im44Upad6m1XyHDC2Lc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2948502ba9d1433b Subject: Re: [Fot] Grattan anyone Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 08/15/2012 8:36:54 AM Central Daylight Time, tony@tonydrews.com writes: > Amici, anyone going to Grattan this coming weekend? > The Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team will be there (in all its glory). I'll be in my TR3, Bob Wismer will race his TR4. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 17:28:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6302D0160 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E892C0D13 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qady1 with SMTP id y1so120880qad.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=aoX57mWBZl2cC4JFySFxDKrg2EeBVjpSIoohDvCNYYY=; b=eIpB4g3z4KwK836fE3tt6VTOncgckGlACXtQHvi2NJqx7RabmtTlv6KptH4OK775WZ FMyOyi0plKhC5Okj7RO0FkaA9MtBuBe/PgrMpucKhRR78fhxdYh7ktm11bWmeRTWp8NF 3ryvMgH1zV4WcwoOlGSPm9ZL+/jKxK3vzjDrQw1A2Cuh+5JbA6fP32tQ8be4y4b/P9RU RZ26R3fx5Ag4ZL9TsU+JegBfclI3b/ARbZN6bImkkAayNrDho+YgpIl0SuEmeTh2g9jK QeEPWDaEsrcbOFpqPdzAQ653NapDaHF35Zw1M1IpCgK2iqYAu2ItdFAY+Xca/YgYg35W TP9Q== Received: by 10.224.59.83 with SMTP id k19mr35578560qah.2.1345073462168; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <5c57a.3dcfa627.3d5d03d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:31:02 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: BillDentin@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Grattan anyone Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net IT KILLS ME TO NOT BE RACING AT MY FAVORITE TRACK... GRATTAN. I'm done for the season.... out of money and out of TRANSMISSIONS. got the family to think about and all. I can't miss it though. I'll be there to support my buddies. I'm coming to offer Triumph support, drink beer, and do some fishing. See you there.... and don't hesitate to ask me to help with anything guys! Friendly Ghost Racing.....At Your Service! Jason. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:53 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 08/15/2012 8:36:54 AM Central Daylight Time, > tony@tonydrews.com writes: > > > > Amici, anyone going to Grattan this coming weekend? > > > > The Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team will be there (in all its glory). > I'll be in my TR3, Bob Wismer will race his TR4. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 21:00:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C532C0D46 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9803A2C0D3A; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.65]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7G33HuU021246; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:03:17 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 0E6FCE000085; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:03:16 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net, 6-pack@autox.team.net, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345086197; bh=fc8l7UeVwcgneLOco+4wbmfwGz7T/z3i7QHOerotaAs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Y5ZvJ/tyBgXALOOe7qaQmrcwPYV3IUkEgGriYqr0jp9UEpuKL7bZ0NZGl2cS9ilgD pu9W8kX06IsJzgT3TFmz9T0Csz240TETDJDCLY0cGUBP9OXuPugWMM3P7itWbUlyQ/ hnLYYDm+C4oMg/2KQnZhcGCFWGcg+pACqeWCGY2o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2941502c62f47b77 Cc: John Phillips Subject: [Fot] Linkage Adjustment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Recently I have posted questions looking for solutions of obtaining full throttle opening on my GT6 with a center pull cable accelerator arrangement (MKIII). So far, no joy. So . . . I have a new question. I have obtained full throttle opening with my '72 TR6 by adjusting the linkage from the cross shaft to the carbs by shortening the linkage rod from the cross shaft to the bell crank (does this make sense?). I now have full opening but the pedal is way high. Has anyone figured out how to lower the pedal by adjusting the linkage from the bell crank to the carbs, or, do I just have to live with it? TIA Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 23:04:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5436C2D0153 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C17E52D0137 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2012 05:02:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.56] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2012 04:57:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2012 04:57:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 96267 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2012 04:57:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vRVQwPY4IuGNCSOIb7/8nuL7iAdospm+9Vfppdam3mZG5qxc5rJF9TNsQg4RvuNAm5ML1IWWLCY1E1GCGRQu07Tyhl10DKlA1ciM4/iDe8XRPfvgyqzvlElO/aMNjbNKFxWi1fYCGW0jfgEiulww3CYILFgmenD7VPbXrfgYqHY= ; s=s1024; t=1345093054; bh=K7WV11XaDvzeaqSk4qu4ptW3p2rpvvhHweyWVQR2xO0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=eobXnRHjfcz0FUnSsGyG0Xt7gNUSgCnuxAeJjjcZsG6Jgru5lLxraj/OX1zc5s+TDavAj+YujoZtFUGg5Wb1cri8c7Y5yCWAGkMvbIvt6X4l42zk0OmSFESsZxG5Z8trU4ZdqdrXO2Vi0XZCdGQnlb8bo06roMPqUZ4B6Z9Kas8= 3VplcodtMA13YmeXNzxeeDg7SUtBiU4Qv2YHqeVNrkMxJJJePgrsRnSFyakb rtb7AEycJQuLWNwZly0GUfIKpzqG76fgC8xzkx8BTg2G9samdVnC9V7g4Pgi sxbZJlOk.FZCjOWfbwTqqYL4XP00ObGpRVe8mUkNQNJlqy1D.bShLgsLgNO8 RvHEE.7ka8Z30kPaSeCgIe1gcW0eOXcGIJ.wi1y8UudWJ06ZnIGwf4Bekf4Q IYq4yEZZ4ZO7LggApci5WLC1PJZ3E99N_yN_Rtlvqe6MO5yPUawSVGrsNY1e s334qGFj0p8n6IIAmIzayh.TciEIyTSPKwP8tZurS8LBK_EWewgYwm_JwXtu r93Lj1DEjR3g33D5Ym9vJx2eaN4Gd8pKMKgBRzdBj3zyVYD44hSwKNgQrgHY KNQn0GmstzVeioVVz8h_iTlLzyyGrmXQQ5iI0CJQ3dRQK7f1SAsCA2RWm09q Zjb6epQ49og38VHg_JE5ShehBYuSQDsmIeejaz9qFtfRAX_bhR7dKZyh1ln0 BwKmpjy2blHGLXCg- Received: from [10.243.40.138] (tylerpthompson@174.253.211.37 with xymcookie) by smtp115-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2012 21:57:32 -0700 PDT References: <6AD58084-4A47-4265-8FEA-2EC5FEB730EF@yahoo.com> From: Yahoo Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:57:29 -0700 To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Jeremy Foley Crash - Pikes Peak International Hill Climb 2012 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >From the Pikes Peak Hill Climb last weekend. Hang on! Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: At > Date: August 14, 2012 6:12:36 PM PDT > To: Ty Thompson > Subject: Jeremy Foley Crash - Pikes Peak International Hill Climb 2012 > > Check out this video on YouTube: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEUrEPPABbY&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 18 20:59:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40EF2D01CC for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E3F2D01B3 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7J3290r010081 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:02:09 -0400 Received: from core-deb004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-deb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.53.141]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7FAFDE000087; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:02:09 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net, rcline369@aol.com From: robertten1@aol.com Received: from 108.7.221.36 by webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:02:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:02:09 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345345329; bh=FfHJGwGhC+qd/AnldS3wEIC9jA81qMJvWd5EbNX1U40=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SLx6f48HIOPbjwjuHEA889VdZEe9c1O3gQgLnIhkUr3wq7YrNT4wxZHaGiGlG7Yl/ JGL5TMkzowspNh3E0Rci05mlF64TP1PjQ5kJ+JwFeq9IKUAeqf9j2g+Xvx9IgcQ3Kc CUXZgyBlum8sXhoZTCbh9VVetwbOZ+sORSNGNyTs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a503057312fd7 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire final chapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, I thank all who responded to request for help. My problem has been solved after a couple phone calls - Thanks to Mr Cline and Mr. Lang. To my embarrassment I have to admit that this mechanic timed the cam incorrectly. With a little education about cam lobes in relation to cylinders and the order of suck,squish, bang and blow. And a miss understanding of the note about the cam timing on Mr Cline's cam, all has been corrected and the engine is firing correctly. Looking forward to September to get to drive my Spit in anger as my entry into the autocross season comes late. A couple hours on the chassis dyno has me feeling comfortable to push my car in competition. Cheers to all, Bob T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 13:03:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2F72C0CC4 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE142C0B8E for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ohdA1j0031afHeLACj6LLc; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:06:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.42] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oj6J1j00c4L5TyG8dj6KTJ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:06:20 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT List Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:06:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph factory race cars? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net List, Did Triumph factory race cars have a VIN? Did they have a title? Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 15:05:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D562D0220 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 28C412C0D13 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18385 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2012 21:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2012 21:06:36 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=57716 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3Chf-0005iF-Sr for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:06:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:06:34 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be willing to part with? I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. Thanks in advance. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:08:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0114E2C0D1B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4562C0D18 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7JMBAg8017602; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:10 -0400 Received: from core-msb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.133]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 47860E000081; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <20120819210551.AD7FA2D0223@autox.team.net> To: tony@tonydrews.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.155) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345414270; bh=WXjnpYB28eLflygsNHgJJ9FmvdkRRG8qxrv8O3AhScc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q5qHIHNsOTsTG2gAp/+F51eSo/BqHQuysuIvp29p1btUpdeqlag85NiGY9Oi6CzBH BRZVKC9FMrHL/eFXVRxSzBFa9kKS0C3JxgqaWFRqvBQqUEMoyjY6sI5g9rx9cf6GO/ BheWaRqLbAqjM0RNSocu+qSAle3AdDknqemLX37g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5031647e0659 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have complete TR250 front suspension assemblies without springs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: fot Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 4:08 pm Subject: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be willing to part with? I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. Thanks in advance. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:36:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82DD2D0220 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16FA2D01C1 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so4810944qcs.14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:37:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7Him759u/q2zKqAbjmFRCcnOZ5bX2sGFXV3lM41GR/0=; b=e0Tj/ZPV5n/Z6DsjKaBB6O0Y0kswYigHPghCkbCQrghYVfK6mkYkne4OYN1HL8TS4g A5JWMditkZePikOkvu5CB0JCLNA9A4wC412xxV0/JBW45QGtcmZlVAkYIuBG1+gmejOM p75R1MOJsFyFKKoCptBH3QKOjzlAt6xyh6DjXvxvcBjU/VXcazwyaeYcHpe2px9bPscE LbNrxpZAlZR/Zqj2nCf1JiLw8qLP42AUgZ5YdEYleXYO+lRn8eBDilDs47CZuQY5xLnM wvsTsKfqvtmpDIGkcik0wyKR0h+YxorHp5aGNfMZMted73h3UdAV8AHpZAUhyq+D+O4s sysA== Received: by 10.229.137.21 with SMTP id u21mr20134qct.96.1345415855635; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.145.3 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.145.3 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:37:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120819210551.AD7FA2D0223@autox.team.net> <8CF4C6EAC34AD29-D7C-AEC96@webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:37:35 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 250's use different vertical links than 4's. On Aug 19, 2012 5:11 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > I have complete TR250 front suspension assemblies without springs. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 4:08 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd > be willing to part with? > > I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > Thanks in advance. > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 21:33:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898332D0299 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DC902D0221 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 03:35:39 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 03:35:39 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 03:35:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 03:35:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 41687 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 03:35:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345433738; bh=YVPk3p4dbKKHuIZqyJrL9FAIIUehj43P1fK2F4BzZtk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s42eFHpYp745wocW1j2EtWPYv4vM4vtQ/3tmc4OFzNH+VDbK5y/Iu8SmsSV9RoWlsUvpMlbvs4zP9HobiVQ9Yqh34cczSbnZLPizWDbqI+KAeLf6DpMtrikwMLPlLM384ZW/Eqhv8BCoY2YGhBf8RC1NwIQXJIMDWr+TGGJpFRU= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ppkE29JYSRhd+UC0d0X3BOPM7+XI9ybKA2rDDTFzNEZtQJTGduCsmDmrrbFV10ghdcC9ERDrO4eEJnMv/Y3pz7+ld6L657erRw8zs+m+0roagYGjzR9CI63Aahx3yMEnYqf3ChbT6Bk1Nz11BopTUtJEIuD3R9UFjhlKQ+yiwL8=; XZ1falm6yPkhwk6wBlssKydg9roOuqL9Obq8scLEJLrGeSSLK0WSnVIrHWie yYN0gj4JRQffDeqHDNmVxR5RTAThPtTbHIJevl_xGwoMgT6jmGx0VcfV8UZF hroS0oNj1pydeuRDbuVxMLW7p_qIhKoPBjritzJ9.jGlnn81NnGXZGOaTc8f 03.jz3bKUPYC.HjO7oS3g0kP_rhQsbxi.dlwCsE8t4wPcJKaonu_KOV6mQcX 0XmRKRpDV3xUOEbIlHfYrU7YqPx2dE9aaqRrCH0K6PKtLK_6jq77cRKbioJz _3K0Yuq1lApemREK3ZFbZixY4a1I.hH_7t_Abupa91.UB_OeTLRObrwm7NpF I_TRIaObNZd20.6.la0Wt4EI.onT9wm.odnQycx4Z6OEgZLgW7.Q9HjBmeho N.jasQ.LeTC.OuqUbESPdiKV5QEnpvZbzkp7FbpC9QEr1_q4RJhpMEGSFavD HoaJiCwkfrQSsezfYzV8QMlwVKXAK.jARlD6FesvXFXYnUjyoa5YXZD9.tux JLtti.DcNNjm1.Ogd87UHTW7qmIs3G.G8A9uu2nj88NwhepogaBRk.0Hq6i. gFr6UhbgWGgVWAKx8zWWyj9E3VGbEmMXG6ZI75.UzY_Ed2EciWVEkHNnRfpH 54ckMNv0- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:35:38 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:35:38 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Joe Alexander , Irv Korey Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The 4A, 250, and 6 should be the same, but they have different amount of camber from the 2,3,4; a function of the angle between the threaded part of the link and the eye for the balljoint. The 2,3, and 4 shared the same verticals, which were not sided. As of the 4A they became sided, R/H and L/H, and added 3 degrees camber. -Ed- --- On Sun, 8/19/12, Irv Korey wrote: From: Irv Korey Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 5:37 PM 250's use different vertical links than 4's. On Aug 19, 2012 5:11 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > I have complete TR250 front suspension assemblies without springs. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: fot > Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 4:08 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd > be willing to part with? > > I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > Thanks in advance. > > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 22:03:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2B92D028B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5C92D0220 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:03:34 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=3dVy_6BQE2AA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hrfOzt8eC7AA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=QLM9AKU1o6z2zxryX_IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/69-17657-7B7B1305; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:06:15 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <1345433738.36098.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:06:16 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1+hPcYmARcIl9WRhK5f2Ru7I3X1wAA26SA Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > The 2,3, and 4 shared the same > verticals, which were not sided. As of the 4A they became > sided, R/H and L/H, > and added 3 degrees camber. I agree, except that the camber was added before the other changes. All but very early TR4 used the same VL as the earlier TRs, but had a different trunnion and other changes (steering levers, upper A-arms, upper ball joint, etc) to add the 3 degrees of camber. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 23:18:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A155D2D0177 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14AF2C0D1A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ot4x1j0051HpZEsAFtK3c5; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:19:03 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id otJy1j00C3UuT0T8atK21l; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:19:02 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Randall'" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:10:30 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac1+hPcYmARcIl9WRhK5f2Ru7I3X1wAA26SAAAJm+yA= Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I thought the later trunnion added castor. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:06 PM Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > The 2,3, and 4 shared the same > verticals, which were not sided. As of the 4A they became > sided, R/H and L/H, > and added 3 degrees camber. I agree, except that the camber was added before the other changes. All but very early TR4 used the same VL as the earlier TRs, but had a different trunnion and other changes (steering levers, upper A-arms, upper ball joint, etc) to add the 3 degrees of camber. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 23:37:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5863A2D02C1 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545BA2D0297 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:37:19 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=3dVy_6BQE2AA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hrfOzt8eC7AA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=B2tLHnSsoMT1PS4ADqwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3A/2E-17657-FADC1305; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:40:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jim Gray'" References: <008501cd7e89$25f5af90$0601a8c0@randall> <0E.9C.29711.9C8C1305@cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:40:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1+hPcYmARcIl9WRhK5f2Ru7I3X1wAA26SAAAJm+yAAAQDTYA== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > I thought the later trunnion added castor. Sorry, you're right, I meant castor. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 23:49:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46812D02C6 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A0F592D02B8 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 05:51:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.2] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 05:51:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 05:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 89391 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 05:51:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=MIYwMMRjkuufVaKChR1R4xu61j8mztj3hyZqSSFwmRXhQM1+EpXOF4voXRadmZXE1nOoC8wWHn3lwxrRqh/crcboJdjD9nJhkYjNqa379cahqKf7FdAR3IyTYujJsZ7Eft22gibCBv2SdLF4/ugXwmiH9ZXfuDpuGwzktB+9buQ= ; s=s1024; t=1345441860; bh=KEB4OC5aVBtDkMwqDZ9V5AQaA7iFxdaa4TqaHMCuByg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:X-Apple-Yahoo-Original-Message-Folder:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid:Subject:Date:To; b=V+zgCi1tWY9i5Wpd22KAw5/RvZgQNCMVJMCM2Jm/Kwbz5fiAaz+9GFhvHkGQbpjEHj2BpkaezVoGb2USQ4gu8G34mwo3RugMptJ6sPgE6xv/hCYGNH/HLM0orjSbBe+AwtqkSBS0uUUuIktKfHvnji7SvwhmTKtqKzHhBWzMUsw= mPeJBuNCw0Z6btxR6ouzHekETPK9pQ7k226wun1kdD3mGMGnF1P67SXRBTDX ZzcG7DyB8Ij8mjSCzb_aVIDbWM7GMGqdo2cjmu5wSonHT7Y.nvogzHW2yVQg FkmTSRwusfHLYyj57Na2E_YQgA11BbdjX2_g3RiPSioy5RQGWzIbsMqzS4Af u0UQ7yFokb8SGA2ysB6iHanehJbi6o3gzWL1PI4aLnu4Wyj25hteq4f_aQHI hpPEPgcpoQKJ_0qZ_VqYXsPEtdw.drKi8se_0yp8qcfzU8jMSnNdkUK_NqiJ dkX.rJq7FIwA5ABg4PvYfzzdth546alX3orbCGhCUjTInRUhZwJkm0ofvL72 0cVu.xjGaIhto5t4s4q4aYePvsp2HPtfVH51F4d.zDqdBE813qyh5XUGSWWR iJaWO83bSvfKz3cG7ZiR_ern5s6.xtrCTTEq9ZFs0ZTS0QKsh6QrBSloCQwC zndyjqw88GgJhOiheOq6JFV2iIBIR Received: from [192.168.1.67] (yellow-green@99.43.68.42 with xymcookie) by smtp119-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 05:51:00 +0000 UTC References: <20120820051840.CE9C02D02CD@autox.team.net> From: Dennis Delap Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:50:57 -0500 To: Jim Gray Cc: Randall , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes - 3 degrees of castor was added to the TR4 with right and left specific trunnions and the asymmetrical upper control arms. The vertical link and trunnion have no effect on camber. On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:10 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > I thought the later trunnion added castor. > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:06 PM > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >> The 2,3, and 4 shared the same >> verticals, which were not sided. As of the 4A they became >> sided, R/H and L/H, >> and added 3 degrees camber. > > I agree, except that the camber was added before the other changes. All but > very early TR4 used the same VL as the earlier TRs, but had a different > trunnion and other changes (steering levers, upper A-arms, upper ball joint, > etc) to add the 3 degrees of camber. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 01:29:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79702D02E8 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:29:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840972D02CD for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so4674638wey.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:32:17 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=wheAUDNDzU3e/umkkivCjLghgD6c+xJ3F09cCMO9jLE=; b=dc7/5WU8O/JY7E1VCweQ+8CWmlSDyTYt/99HRNyKnfPZnEW+hz8cpqGQInZkPMMkQe WRX+IFFka8WZYH+JB3QcAijkbCOLODYCJtObmlByMC86M8pFWJSLHKRJFkFzSCQeMM1X DNJk6fC87J0oj8seFzPjcq//N5frvUZ3aYWSK5VDOzpBMIN2sDLOj71g7Nlkz3vHSSfY wT/qKw0FqAeXHhy83wYIKe32EJTtLsoIRTzEiqHLcoGVn6B65KBsaTGVP950+6hfj6Z8 buNHQzHNrETgcn3vjKuqV5760UgB+03Dasnmu5S3uPsnLwqWWUBK/TKbC9/PmkKIqcXl TeGA== Received: by 10.180.80.134 with SMTP id r6mr26656599wix.1.1345447937165; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.164.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ep14sm27344353wid.0.2012.08.20.00.32.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:32:15 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac1+TskYWMF3XioWQZS36OpgEHW5QAAVrHlA Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to replaced to do that. I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. I can send photos if you like. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be willing to part with? I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. Thanks in advance. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 02:30:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D732D0317 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:30:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76CE2D035B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:32:39 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:29:28 -0700 Thread-Topic: Odd compression? Thread-Index: Ac1+renWqURb7xqzRHu6AjhOes88iA== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My '71 GT6 race car continues to vex... After having the engine blow, and then be rebuilt, it broke a rocker arm at Willow Springs in practice. Bent the #1 valve a bit too. Took the head off and had a pretty reputable cylinder head rebuilder go through it. He found that the engine builder had not installed the set screw that keeps the rocker shaft in line with the oil feed hole in the upright. Hence, under-lubrication to the forward end of the rocker shaft. He replaced one valve, all the rockers, and the rocker shaft which was scored. Surfaced the head too. We installed the head last week, Torqued gradually in sequence @ 15 lb ft, then 25, then 45. Adjusted the valves, and decided to do a compression rest just for fun. (used a Payen head gasket) What we found was interesting, but not good: #1 cylinder @ 170; #2 @ 120; #4,4,5 @ 140; #6 @ 170 psi. this on a rebuilt engine with two hours run time before failure... The compression test was done without the intake on the car, so it hasn't run yet. The cylinder head guru said to run it, and then recheck. We'll also do a leakdown test then. Any speculation? First thing that comes to mind is a not flat head or block, of course. Then rings? Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 07:03:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465722D02CD for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp006.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout006.mac.com [17.158.236.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ED92D0201 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.17] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp006.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M92005C51K0AK20@nk11p04mm-asmtp006.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:02:26 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-20_02:2012-08-20,2012-08-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=1 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208200115 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:02:28 -0400 References: <5C8E4E0E-C90F-4836-AE1D-019C2C697359@me.com> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph , Edward Dunn Subject: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had a similar experience with my GT6 a few years ago (though a different initial cause). Could be gasket or rings or a warped head, but for my car it was leaky valves that needed to be recut. I had lapped them and my machinist had thought they looked fine too the first time when we resurfaced the head. My first advice is to get a leakdown tester from Summit Racing or somewhere. Pretty cheap and a great diagnostic device. Especially with the manifolds off, you can readily identify the source of the leaks by the air whistling! You'll probably have to run the test without your rocker assembly on, depending on how radical a cam you have. The compression tester tells you that you have a problem - the leak down tester tells you where. Payen gaskets are trouble free for me. I'm guessing you are using stock head studs - with ARP if memory serves I'm torquing to 65 or 70 lbs. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:21:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6852D0222 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B61B02C0CAA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9525 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2012 14:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 14:22:42 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=63422 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3SsL-0006FS-W1; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:22:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:22:40 -0500 To: "MadMarx" , From: Tony Drews References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter section that screws into the Trunnion? Tony At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >Tony, > >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are more >rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to >replaced to do that. > >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. >I can send photos if you like. > >Cheers >Chris > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im >Auftrag von Tony Drews >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 >An: fot@autox.team.net >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is for a >TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be willing to >part with? > >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower trunnion >at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > >Thanks in advance. > >Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:38:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300442D0217 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D57B2C0D0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.67]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7KEetTg027782; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:40:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (24.sub-166-248-78.myvzw.com [166.248.78.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id A1A73E0000E7; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:40:54 -0400 (EDT) References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A4676@TITAN.dwholdings.local> From: Jack Mc Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:40:52 -0400 To: Edward Dunn x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345473655; bh=ZPmOKTliWmd4mdU2Gxjkvy8wc3PMeImUsgrfMdC7ieU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=hGkVCuRzA3iqwPrkC5O6bmfdQNt56EtUEBaqG2bmzsZwQSF+rtiyVmqfr9AIw+LwR f7XlrE2AxPZiiOajRA/jmibYzsFpYvBn3MtyOsXCtv9co/LeQv+R0Y2LI5wiKj9VGx 9TUTLDzs3i70/ptlq+VkbMuJTN7YO+iLUKx9hPYM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294350324c767d51 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not relevant to your question, but I wouldn't be to quick to conclude somebody just didn't put that screw in - unless you've already searched the oil pan for it - I have found that screw on a magnetic oil pan drain plug Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2012, at 4:29 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > He found > that the engine builder had not installed the set screw that keeps the rocker > shaft in line with the oil feed hole in the upright. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:51:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9922D01C1 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A412C037D for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2390225bkc.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:48:30 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=R9Ru5JzfZ8knjGl11HvF8BTL5jt5i9uiAKXxCZbUpLg=; b=HR7t0QDPr8/DwMTJ8xAisg7oY1o3AWeGsiOLYb3f6q2fd+jPTue/A6O6j+ccLzBjaP Kk5ujiySDfqAORSjDXsixbfsUF4dzvyIDoibC1oweVE27aNMGfPuslmPh2LOfyqPC6l1 YbIHO9OEbU8zouvnHJSK9PtxdudJy1XcWifO96nbdJ1eNhIV3NFhZJZIw/29A3il6JOM fjiA97wAEl3Gt2kd56RdsGz6c9V5WJ3Bq191Gh9YcjQF/JxA6yU8mgAGHvWmmwwBT++n Tbu0oEj+PMY7FCnDMZMkPxd/PBUAKEcuC3yk4dzJzZXikhyCODINREWbhOUgkqwQaxXW 5dng== Received: by 10.204.0.80 with SMTP id 16mr4425800bka.71.1345474110127; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.249.23]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g6sm6337944bkg.2.2012.08.20.07.48.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:48:26 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac1+31AVEoYA1GFVSDuLEgKkHpXtAAAA3BqQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front suspension apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter section that screws into the Trunnion? Tony At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >Tony, > >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to >replaced to do that. > >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. >I can send photos if you like. > >Cheers >Chris > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im >Auftrag von Tony Drews >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 >An: fot@autox.team.net >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be >willing to part with? > >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > >Thanks in advance. > >Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:55:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0A02D039B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD0C02D014D for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23943 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2012 14:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 14:57:11 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=63933 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3TPj-0006a7-BH; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:57:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:57:09 -0500 To: "MadMarx" , From: Tony Drews References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the stock lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed directly to me. Tony At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front suspension >apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! > >Cheers >Chris > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter section >that screws into the Trunnion? > >Tony > >At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: > >Tony, > > > >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are > >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. > >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to > >replaced to do that. > > > >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. > >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. > >I can send photos if you like. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > >Auftrag von Tony Drews > >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 > >An: fot@autox.team.net > >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be > >willing to part with? > > > >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:59:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890F82D03B3 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D46D2D030C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2395948bkc.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=tVXK+Cahh2PbWsoolGjB9PqAf9ZZWMPceLcWkKiWOY8=; b=XtCTQINa3oXgrR56buvLW81GcQttYf5RcEQ3/+TWWo/5/k49lTCUne8NxbkLFkiNDc j1h73kbUsbUHoTpt4Iu7w6e6vKSOHmpwQ+geXd4bBB8CJojzR/m2lCQlyauaymjaFhaO b5FPAvT+pLSqSNqqFTsinSEUuzrjN1h9Rq9IczfAHfyIXPayuPybfhUrpnMXD3eoAfOy qqq+yUouiXuSbuvXV5crGIAo6tEd91tpLAnbDuEE91p2P11aFRvEGf+TvZwvAimgbCX9 rM++Kwh8LkDTzJ8W/6yygB8CGfcJ26IiKVf2wZOPonKxsr8l+oPooXcpaFusCAGJ44Lp 3sqg== Received: by 10.204.133.193 with SMTP id g1mr4387484bkt.2.1345474901041; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.249.23]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu8sm6358331bkc.5.2012.08.20.08.01.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:01:36 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac1+5BViCS6++21lRJ2VBjfRQXHwqgAAEQkQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Everything is the same. You have to ream out the A-arm bushings to fit these sleeves that come with the installation set. If you use the stock A-arms you also need a longer screw for mounting the trunnion as the TR6 screw is too short. Good is that you can take stronger material for this bolt. I send photos. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the stock lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed directly to me. Tony At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front >suspension apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! > >Cheers >Chris > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter >section that screws into the Trunnion? > >Tony > >At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: > >Tony, > > > >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are > >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. > >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts > >to replaced to do that. > > > >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. > >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. > >I can send photos if you like. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > >Im Auftrag von Tony Drews > >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 > >An: fot@autox.team.net > >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd > >be willing to part with? > > > >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:00:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471BA2D03CA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329242C0CAC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.76.5]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4FED5D8086; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:03:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "MadMarx" , , "Tony Drews" References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net><003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com><50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <20120820145556.9FA662D041C@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:02:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think you want to change the upper a-arms as well. And if you could modify the chassis to accept the lower a-arm attachment, you'd be way ahead of the game. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper > ball joint the same? Are there other changes > besides using spacers between the Trunnion and > the stock lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the > Trunnion without taking the A-Arms loose from the > spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. > > If you could send me a few pictures, I'd > appreciate it. I know they won't make it through > the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed directly to me. > > Tony > > At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front suspension >>apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! >> >>Cheers >>Chris >> >>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >>An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >>Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter section >>that screws into the Trunnion? >> >>Tony >> >>At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >> >Tony, >> > >> >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are >> >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. >> >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to >> >replaced to do that. >> > >> >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. >> >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. >> >I can send photos if you like. >> > >> >Cheers >> >Chris >> > >> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im >> >Auftrag von Tony Drews >> >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 >> >An: fot@autox.team.net >> >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> > >> >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is >> >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be >> >willing to part with? >> > >> >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower >> >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it >> >happens. >> > >> >Thanks in advance. >> > >> >Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:09:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372212D0406 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0251B2C0D0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.76.5]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CC245D808F; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:06:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "MadMarx" , "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net><003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com><50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com><50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001b01cd7ee4$b61e1340$225a39c0$@com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:06:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Depends on what you have now. In box are later TR4 upper a-arms. TR2-4 Front Suspension Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > Everything is the same. > You have to ream out the A-arm bushings to fit these sleeves that come > with > the installation set. > If you use the stock A-arms you also need a longer screw for mounting the > trunnion as the TR6 screw is too short. > Good is that you can take stronger material for this bolt. > > I send photos. > > Cheers > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 > An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are > there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the > stock > lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms > loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. > > If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't > make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed > directly to me. > > Tony > > At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front >>suspension apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! >> >>Cheers >>Chris >> >>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >>An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >>Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter >>section that screws into the Trunnion? >> >>Tony >> >>At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >> >Tony, >> > >> >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are >> >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. >> >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts >> >to replaced to do that. >> > >> >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. >> >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. >> >I can send photos if you like. >> > >> >Cheers >> >Chris >> > >> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >> >Im Auftrag von Tony Drews >> >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 >> >An: fot@autox.team.net >> >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> > >> >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is >> >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd >> >be willing to part with? >> > >> >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower >> >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it > happens. >> > >> >Thanks in advance. >> > >> >Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of TRI-022.gif] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:10:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4C02D03F6 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9A2D03AC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2399240bkc.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=3RzgE7sYoXj1sxK9xYWJi4Sgb1pdb2DoluG1KIFtmiQ=; b=sPEZjVNhwvks6INwZFP/agNzwAK0uj+P1WZRA6aucH71e4eHtHLBmNhTq3waAXyIj/ xFGT538hajJoE5MXLdGd/dMvbKbYPuU8L0anj23UKcXHp05bVMPdVhvkXkf1OOWB3clC qlNdjWDT/l8bXB6AFv58zO2+qy3yXk3AOoAvVtCrsvPBcsqCNSrgLPmKBLB6rOYQ8gSd riyirRmixA8r+2WLZPYjujI7BVfggGSpM5zG2off2b9b89aZYqezLrwflUo6O0XGjAk2 ksQOr0mYjkaJsFbbLPF3Ccc8Fo+T+o+E0uPee92oVbBwhSUe9qE35++6dE8II32Pd5r5 Bh1g== Received: by 10.204.4.154 with SMTP id 26mr4381483bkr.91.1345475321523; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.249.23]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm6365430bkv.14.2012.08.20.08.08.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:08:40 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac1+5BViCS6++21lRJ2VBjfRQXHwqgAAXHDQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One thing: The car is getting lower with the TR6 trunnion. So maybe a spacer has to added to the spring. And the camber gain is increased. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the stock lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed directly to me. Tony At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front >suspension apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! > >Cheers >Chris > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter >section that screws into the Trunnion? > >Tony > >At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: > >Tony, > > > >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are > >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. > >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts > >to replaced to do that. > > > >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. > >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. > >I can send photos if you like. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > >Im Auftrag von Tony Drews > >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 > >An: fot@autox.team.net > >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd > >be willing to part with? > > > >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:13:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E702D03B2 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC27A2D0317 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.76.5]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 094395D8097; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:15:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Charly Mitchel" , "MadMarx" , "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net><003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com><50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com><50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><001b01cd7ee4$b61e1340$225a39c0$@com> <240DD26FDB8F4C598FCB3194C49E08F9@Charly> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:15:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One more thing, the Jaguar XJ6 ball joints are the same except they are narrower, which allows you to shim them for more or less castor. Charly Mitchel From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Tony Drews'" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > Depends on what you have now. In box are later TR4 upper a-arms. > > > > > TR2-4 Front Suspension > > > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "'Tony Drews'" ; > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > >> Everything is the same. >> You have to ream out the A-arm bushings to fit these sleeves that come >> with >> the installation set. >> If you use the stock A-arms you also need a longer screw for mounting the >> trunnion as the TR6 screw is too short. >> Good is that you can take stronger material for this bolt. >> >> I send photos. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >> Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 >> An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >> That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are >> there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the >> stock >> lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the >> A-Arms >> loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. >> >> If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they >> won't >> make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed >> directly to me. >> >> Tony >> >> At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>>Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front >>>suspension apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! >>> >>>Cheers >>>Chris >>> >>>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>>Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>>Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >>>An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>>Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> >>>Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter >>>section that screws into the Trunnion? >>> >>>Tony >>> >>>At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>> >Tony, >>> > >>> >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are >>> >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. >>> >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts >>> >to replaced to do that. >>> > >>> >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. >>> >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. >>> >I can send photos if you like. >>> > >>> >Cheers >>> >Chris >>> > >>> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >>> >Im Auftrag von Tony Drews >>> >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 >>> >An: fot@autox.team.net >>> >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> > >>> >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is >>> >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd >>> >be willing to part with? >>> > >>> >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower >>> >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it >> happens. >>> > >>> >Thanks in advance. >>> > >>> >Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > TRI-022.gif] > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:31:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53F82D03B4 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB9792D036D for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24570 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2012 15:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 15:33:59 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=64200 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3TzL-0005qT-1B; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:33:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:33:57 -0500 To: "MadMarx" , From: Tony Drews References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link is different for Left Hand side of the car and Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's the same part for both sides. The trunnions are "handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different parts). Why is the vertical link different from side to side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. Thanks, Tony At 10:08 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >One thing: >The car is getting lower with the TR6 trunnion. >So maybe a spacer has to added to the spring. >And the camber gain is increased. > >Cheers >Chris > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 >An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are >there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the stock >lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms >loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. > >If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't >make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed >directly to me. > >Tony _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:38:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD58E2D0182 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4CB2C0D2B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.76.5]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 704C55D8089; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:41:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "MadMarx" , , "Tony Drews" References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net><003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com><50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com><50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:41:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse them the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on them are also L&R handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a > front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link > is different for Left Hand side of the car and > Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's > the same part for both sides. The trunnions are > "handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different > parts). > > Why is the vertical link different from side to > side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to > make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. > > Thanks, Tony > > At 10:08 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>One thing: >>The car is getting lower with the TR6 trunnion. >>So maybe a spacer has to added to the spring. >>And the camber gain is increased. >> >>Cheers >>Chris >> >>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 >>An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >>That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are >>there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the >>stock >>lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms >>loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. >> >>If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't >>make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed >>directly to me. >> >>Tony > > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:53:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEA92D039B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com [173.254.64.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 29EAB2D0395 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20447 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2012 15:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 15:52:16 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=64294 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3UH2-00054m-J3; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:52:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:52:14 -0500 To: "Charly Mitchel" , "MadMarx" , From: Tony Drews References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower A arms, does that undo the lowering effect of the later trunnions? My car is low enough already, and messing with spring spacers doesn't sound like any fun at all. I've got two weekends before the next race to get this done. It sounds like the later A-arms are a direct bolt on for the earlier car with the welded in lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate the need for the reaming and spacers. It would probably also eliminate the additional camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else would be a positive. Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... :) Tony At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The >trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse >them the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on them are >also L&R handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. >Charly >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: "MadMarx" ; >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > >>I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>"handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different parts). >> >>Why is the vertical link different from side to >>side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >> >>Thanks, Tony >> >>At 10:08 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>>One thing: >>>The car is getting lower with the TR6 trunnion. >>>So maybe a spacer has to added to the spring. >>>And the camber gain is increased. >>> >>>Cheers >>>Chris >>> >>>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>>Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>>Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 >>>An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>>Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> >>>That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are >>>there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the stock >>>lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the A-Arms >>>loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. >>> >>>If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they won't >>>make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed >>>directly to me. >>> >>>Tony >> >>_______________________________________________ >>fot@autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 10:14:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000DA2D03B2 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60782D0391 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.76.5]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0F7B5D80A1; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:17:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "MadMarx" , , "Tony Drews" References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It depends on which way you install the arms, offsets up or offsets down. My suspension had spacers to lower it and I flipped the lower a-arms and removed the spacers and remained the same height. Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. > > OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower A arms, > does that undo the lowering effect of the later trunnions? My car is low > enough already, and messing with spring spacers doesn't sound like any fun > at all. I've got two weekends before the next race to get this done. It > sounds like the later A-arms are a direct bolt on for the earlier car with > the welded in lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate the need for the > reaming and spacers. It would probably also eliminate the additional > camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else would be a > positive. > > Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... > :) > > Tony > > At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The trunnion >>has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse them the wheel >>would have opposite castor. The threads on them are also L&R handed and >>can only be assembled as a set L&R. >>Charly >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>To: "MadMarx" ; >>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >> >>>I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>>front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>>is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>>Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>>the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>>"handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different >>>parts). >>> >>>Why is the vertical link different from side to >>>side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>>make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >>> >>>Thanks, Tony >>> >>>At 10:08 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>>>One thing: >>>>The car is getting lower with the TR6 trunnion. >>>>So maybe a spacer has to added to the spring. >>>>And the camber gain is increased. >>>> >>>>Cheers >>>>Chris >>>> >>>>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>>>Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>>>Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:57 >>>>An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>>>Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>>> >>>>That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper ball joint the same? Are >>>>there other changes besides using spacers between the Trunnion and the >>>>stock >>>>lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the Trunnion without taking the >>>>A-Arms >>>>loose from the spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. >>>> >>>>If you could send me a few pictures, I'd appreciate it. I know they >>>>won't >>>>make it through the list, but I will get them if the message is >>>>addressed >>>>directly to me. >>>> >>>>Tony >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>fot@autox.team.net >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>Unsubscribe: >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 10:40:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF732D03BD for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:40:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6BC2D0369 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2435638bkc.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=AbLd3N44i0aCXkNfSEs5ybEU8weGm6fSALMUZ4RYYkc=; b=Fhwawkl8JTK/t5EmW2QqB8ZKOsM2EuifB+E/5IkzT653LDvYxN4p5Erbrw7tMFsU36 zdJK1dtQdE8ZXe/uBtHi5usciheT1o5Ow3IOjA5xUW/0uwr5xzukIU8DbTqn1QQeRR04 MyBI5Dcv3LsskRU0F/syVn7Gutq+RTSJhJB+Ogg6K8qs/Ms5k1xlz/V7RWX7rtXXkFnY /NGQa6Z3XSFYlexvVuWx/qgKaq+ZnkM4AP4Vonv3lmODzeu5sfKYJIlBLoe79/qrHYYX hzkCI3qhqMLzzKhBWbSCCGFX58d75ZrV6AyXcfyJNSJDADPSl0F+AyG4qh8HZH++2bQ/ 4UlA== Received: by 10.204.128.196 with SMTP id l4mr4705938bks.21.1345480729262; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-46-249-23.web.vodafone.de. [109.46.249.23]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hs2sm6506122bkc.1.2012.08.20.09.38.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:38:49 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac1+705TzGergI0kRp2+basLOR/o9AAArT0w Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] 1H race at Zolder/NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is the last weekends race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJq6Lf2exk Tactics was to save the car and doing a sprint at the last 20 min....which resulted with a lead in our group. 1st overall - group Triumph Competition 1st in class Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 10:58:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB0E2D03B1 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899C82D0365 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hrfOzt8eC7AA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=F-izF5BmgUlDJRC8tokA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=CQF4i00vSUz2ObnoQb8mdg==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.177] ([10.127.132.177:64325] helo=cdptpa-web26-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F0/0D-13948-F4D62305; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:01:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:01:03 +0000 From: To: MadMarx , fot@autox.team.net, Tony Drews Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a complete TR250/TR6 front suspension on the TR3. Keep in mind the TR4A - TR6 upper fulcrum pivot pins are a different diameter from the TR3 - TR4. TR4A - TR6 is 5/8 (same as the lower fulcrum pivot pins) and the TR3 and TR4 are 1/2. If you want pictures now is a good time. No fender or wheel to obstruct the view. Bob ---- Tony Drews wrote: > Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a > larger diameter section that screws into the Trunnion? > > Tony > > At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: > >Tony, > > > >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are more > >rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. > >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to > >replaced to do that. > > > >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. > >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. > >I can send photos if you like. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > >Auftrag von Tony Drews > >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 > >An: fot@autox.team.net > >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is for a > >TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be willing to > >part with? > > > >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower trunnion > >at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 13:36:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1C42D0360 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDD82D032B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7KJcrem021375; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:38:53 -0400 Received: from core-mta002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 11537E000088; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:38:49 -0400 (EDT) To: tony@tonydrews.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345491530; bh=YTK5Yh1FuJNeB+/NEAfEc1Q1olqr4TBns5Jgitcpp3E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JrUKZsEcPkhEmq3yUz3LjgbLMsiX3+smTDr76yeLkMwndvdBu0aq6du9pA1ahsDkh 9K4foPNj9f3hXwg3cyZCoM9uSqC9AWYpyCld42pS96D6qm2S4NBkvJdQNWKcC0f6ZP qLer3SFtrRX3MswKPtOcNQ4g13sAE9VXg9s61vOw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33895032924a58b2 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 08/19/2012 4:08:21 PM Central Daylight Time, tony@tonydrews.com writes: > Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd > be willing to part with? > > I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it happens. > > Amici... He does not exaggerate. I know. I was there (and as you might imagine...behind him. Only the laundry knows how excited he got. Truth be told, we can all be glad it happened at the beginning of Grattan's front straight...and not the end of it. Grattan is an old drag strip...and Tony don't go slow. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:01:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85642D03AF for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2D42D0369 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.250.238.68] (228.sub-174-252-154.myvzw.com [174.252.154.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7KK3EKe032504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:03:17 -0400 References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <20120820145556.9FA662D041C@autox.team.net> <42BB6D5DF3E14E509228C075AEFA9165@Charly> From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:03:12 -0400 To: Charly Mitchel a=3dVy_6BQE2AA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hrfOzt8eC7AA:10 a=1wIzrxkE8SytT5JmHI4vVA==:17 a=p_3VnqCNAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=OfTdwkR1wVOTh6V21g0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=EYE8wTkq5dQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=W4oarAnCkt8A:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=KrF51rzzAVINwbDU:21 a=PYEyOzZ0kAuw5dsd:21 a=1wIzrxkE8SytT5JmHI4vVA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is changing the suspension pick up points allowed under the 1972 SCCA rules? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2012, at 11:02 AM, "Charly Mitchel" wrote: > I think you want to change the upper a-arms as well. And if you could modify the chassis to accept the lower a-arm attachment, you'd be way ahead of the game. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > To: "MadMarx" ; > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > >> That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper >> ball joint the same? Are there other changes >> besides using spacers between the Trunnion and >> the stock lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the >> Trunnion without taking the A-Arms loose from the >> spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. >> >> If you could send me a few pictures, I'd >> appreciate it. I know they won't make it through >> the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed directly to me. >> >> Tony >> >> At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>> Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front suspension >>> apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] >>> Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 >>> An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net >>> Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> >>> Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter section >>> that screws into the Trunnion? >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: >>> >Tony, >>> > >>> >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are >>> >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. >>> >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to >>> >replaced to do that. >>> > >>> >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. >>> >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. >>> >I can send photos if you like. >>> > >>> >Cheers >>> >Chris >>> > >>> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >>> >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im >>> >Auftrag von Tony Drews >>> >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 >>> >An: fot@autox.team.net >>> >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> > >>> >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is >>> >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be >>> >willing to part with? >>> > >>> >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower >>> >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when it >happens. >>> > >>> >Thanks in advance. >>> > >>> >Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:16:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4462D035E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485F82D0325 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7KKDmAf017761; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:13:48 -0400 Received: from core-mta002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 986C4E000087; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:13:48 -0400 (EDT) To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, charly@mitchelplumbing.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345493628; bh=dJKxYP4Hp1xfXRQLhYx+ucOk31NGZjVYR4QKEKcreBo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SBPWzQhsSuusGnJdBolaoId+5P2hco+f+Sd/JrkGncZoI8MfiGDZLyuM1tYGvHhmr SNbHf2PPb4QQYMOCqbFBayDVGlJ9q3cALi3/wLYnMuZIo7n+e8Q66tjj9SdHf1kO2e cDX7fzg2Wnv8vp5gkAMSSA2CfQeMNI0zc9SXVJzk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c950329a7c5e65 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 08/20/2012 3:04:17 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty@gdhs.com writes: > Is changing the suspension pick up points allowed under the 1972 SCCA > rules? > > I'm a big Tony Drews fan, and know his car well. I don't think it has an 'ERA CORRECT' sticker for them to take away. But I vote for his 'doing it'. He's not doing it under the table, and I especially like the fact he's using TRIUMPH TR parts. I've been racing GRATTAN for twenty-seven years. On Saturday in the Sprint Race I had the fastest lap I've run there since 1996. It was only a 1:45.9, but that's fast for me. I'm considering an upgrade for Ole Blue. I may change the bonnet badge from the red and black to the blue and white. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:29:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964DF2D0365 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDEE2D034A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so6590019yen.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:28:00 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :cc:from:date:content-type:mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=YOpKZpZc3e+RSlkQjbRKF+LLLXsuQWIStIsILRHoybw=; b=Jl/uLY1a934l0TLWgam1gmcCmIDyfWdu/AU+uVfzkgNlEyFGBgQTivc3BHVvi3KooX 4Kqp/hQ7WN2dYeR71OzovmkVqImucxZOGyl2jsPzkHNYM/ATx8GcbhFqaO/qDVLAG22W KvU+4s9GLq5hRKoy5g6KgPXeUr0UBeq2X71tpgynLRyfAsMjYc3fbdrFbfUBHPOL/Y0P z/N55WIqdFW8ngSPsnRjz8yJ7SjBGNIM+k7ycSzsyfMCTdscuxwqEFpoykD9QObMIxAF WluRgXCGDVFe8XTH3ADFutzGidLNfPUZVg8yPde+yc3wHjU/jyVVAaI8e4XRxoMH45Zp RM8Q== Received: by 10.50.151.199 with SMTP id us7mr11200218igb.14.1345494480083; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.186 (bda-74-82-80-88.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ul4sm13717369igb.15.2012.08.20.13.27.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:27:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <14c2b.f749e80.3d63f47b@aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: BillDentin@aol.com, fot-bounces@autox.team.net, jhhasty@gdhs.com, charly@mitchelplumbing.com From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:27:56 +0000 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is the change of the badge legal under "Rules For Guys Racing Since 1906?" Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion In a message dated 08/20/2012 3:04:17 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty@gdhs.com writes: > Is changing the suspension pick up points allowed under the 1972 SCCA > rules? > > I'm a big Tony Drews fan, and know his car well. I don't think it has an 'ERA CORRECT' sticker for them to take away. But I vote for his 'doing it'. He's not doing it under the table, and I especially like the fact he's using TRIUMPH TR parts. I've been racing GRATTAN for twenty-seven years. On Saturday in the Sprint Race I had the fastest lap I've run there since 1996. It was only a 1:45.9, but that's fast for me. I'm considering an upgrade for Ole Blue. I may change the bonnet badge from the red and black to the blue and white. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:34:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4C92D02EA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C412C0D22 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120820203623715; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:36:23 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 376393171; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:36:15 -0500 From: To: , , References: <14c2b.f749e80.3d63f47b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:36:14 -0500 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net regarding GCR and the relocation of suspension pick up points; some 40 years ago, after spending some time with Bill Boemler and his wicked fast TR3 and observing a number of items that may have not been "full compliance" with the GCR, I asked Bill how he ever got the thing thru tech inspection. his reply: Most of the inspectors are not real TR3 savvy and besides, the GCR coes not apply to cars over 10 years old. So, don't worry, be happy! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:13 PM To: jhhasty@gdhs.com ; charly@mitchelplumbing.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion In a message dated 08/20/2012 3:04:17 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty@gdhs.com writes: > Is changing the suspension pick up points allowed under the 1972 SCCA > rules? > > I'm a big Tony Drews fan, and know his car well. I don't think it has an 'ERA CORRECT' sticker for them to take away. But I vote for his 'doing it'. He's not doing it under the table, and I especially like the fact he's using TRIUMPH TR parts. I've been racing GRATTAN for twenty-seven years. On Saturday in the Sprint Race I had the fastest lap I've run there since 1996. It was only a 1:45.9, but that's fast for me. I'm considering an upgrade for Ole Blue. I may change the bonnet badge from the red and black to the blue and white. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5211 - Release Date: 08/20/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:48:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7EA2C07F7 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98372C0D2E; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:48:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7KKp7vG017789; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:51:07 -0400 Received: from core-mta002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EE73AE00008A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:51:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:51:06 -0400 (EDT) To: jason@multivintage.com, fot-bounces@autox.team.net, jhhasty@gdhs.com, charly@mitchelplumbing.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345495867; bh=R1H5q5Rl8F3egzt+K74Et/+/ao8D1yYgZ0+65ScHFTc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GyiiNLPtMQKmgukplhVnATWRTameI+IIxjUw7gNYQo3SElhX+6YpsQGd6t3qRJOGF 0yPGmq+mygTso/Wo2CQx6MZRZ7m3yOtzPljHKoRwyQS7Rqa8dk0lzE9Q5bxesJ6qzR DObtST6maLjhM3sKEOdfR3mf6WaqJOjReQrGNN/I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c75032a33a321f Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 08/20/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, jason@multivintage.com writes: > Is the change of the badge legal under "Rules For Guys Racing Since > 1906?" > Jason... When I started road racing over here in 1906 there were no rules. I was the only racer. Then this other guy started racing, and right away they needed rules. Soon there were five or six guys racing and soon that dam rule book was nearly an inch thick. Incidentally, I can't remember for sure who it was, but at the Friday night Beady Eye wine and cheese party at Grattan someone was making some pretty solid points about what is hurting race series these days like Indy Car and so on. He maintained one of the big reasons is they have made it impossible for any ingenuity. In the old days people would develop whole new cars to compete, and the stands would be full of people watching the practice and time trials, not to mention come race day. They all wanted to see the new stuff, the new cars, and how good they were or weren't. The guy was making some really great points. I wish I would not have had so much Pinot Grigio. I'd remember better and could share it with you. Bill (Damdinger) PS Wait a minute. Jason...you were there! Oh, that's right. You were drinking too. Good cheese though. Picante Provolone, Sharp White Cheddar, a soft brie, and back by popular demand...Mindoro Bleu. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 15:17:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783502D034B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9813F2D0325; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:11:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.250.238.68] (228.sub-174-252-154.myvzw.com [174.252.154.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7KLELBg013584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:14:24 -0400 References: <1394f.30102b1e.3d63fd3a@aol.com> From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:14:18 -0400 To: "BillDentin@aol.com" a=3dVy_6BQE2AA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=hrfOzt8eC7AA:10 a=1wIzrxkE8SytT5JmHI4vVA==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=b4TgfONAAAAA:8 a=efxbP_l4wWxxWos6y2oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=kp3uRgNowesA:10 a=7JO41Cm1fGp1UzVdU4EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=1wIzrxkE8SytT5JmHI4vVA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You know Bill, this is why back in the 70's & 80's when I was in pro motorcycle road racing I chose 250cc GP class the only rules, other than safety items, were displacement, weight, aspiration & fuel. Anything else was up to you. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2012, at 4:51 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/20/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, jason@multivintage.com writes: > > >> Is the change of the badge legal under "Rules For Guys Racing Since 1906?" > > Jason... > > When I started road racing over here in 1906 there were no rules. I was the only racer. Then this other guy started racing, and right away they needed rules. Soon there were five or six guys racing and soon that dam rule book was nearly an inch thick. > > Incidentally, I can't remember for sure who it was, but at the Friday night Beady Eye wine and cheese party at Grattan someone was making some pretty solid points about what is hurting race series these days like Indy Car and so on. He maintained one of the big reasons is they have made it impossible for any ingenuity. In the old days people would develop whole new cars to compete, and the stands would be full of people watching the practice and time trials, not to mention come race day. They all wanted to see the new stuff, the new cars, and how good they were or weren't. The guy was making some really great points. I wish I would not have had so much Pinot Grigio. I'd remember better and could share it with you. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > PS Wait a minute. Jason...you were there! Oh, that's right. You were drinking too. Good cheese though. Picante Provolone, Sharp White Cheddar, a soft brie, and back by popular demand...Mindoro Bleu. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 16:20:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104E82D0395 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout005.mac.com [17.158.236.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E70F2D032B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-16-208-157.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.16.208.157]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M92005K2REB3R00@nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:20:36 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-20_04:2012-08-20,2012-08-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208200283 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:20:39 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody know what it went for? RM has not published results as yet. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 16:51:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28AA2D0373 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com [173.254.64.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C332F2D035E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30757 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2012 22:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 22:51:41 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=65438 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3aov-0000Oe-GB; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:51:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:51:39 -0500 To: John Hasty , Charly Mitchel From: Tony Drews References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <20120820145556.9FA662D041C@autox.team.net> <42BB6D5DF3E14E509228C075AEFA9165@Charly> <9C32C986-5C41-4B4C-9233-6347B3008B27@gdhs.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I could give a flying flip of the GCR issue if switching to the TR-4A / TR-6 upright keeps me from a repeat of that ride. The next time it may not end as well. It's not like I'm vying for any prize money or fame and glory. Looking at the broken off vertical link I'm amazed that something of that diameter can take the abuse I've given it. We've made exceptions to the GCR for safety upgrades like the Southwick rear axle and Alloy front hubs. I consider this to be right along those lines and if it works out like I think it may, I'd do a nice writeup on my website and encourage others to perform the same upgrade. Frame attachment points will still be stock. If I can confirm whether using the later A-arms will get me back to the same ride height (at least close to it), there should be very little difference in front suspension geometry. I do appreciate the question even if I don't sound like it above. :) Thanks, Tony At 03:03 PM 8/20/2012, John Hasty wrote: >Is changing the suspension pick up points allowed under the 1972 SCCA rules? > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Aug 20, 2012, at 11:02 AM, "Charly Mitchel" > wrote: > > > I think you want to change the upper a-arms as well. And if you > could modify the chassis to accept the lower a-arm attachment, > you'd be way ahead of the game. > > Charly Mitchel > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > > To: "MadMarx" ; > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > > > >> That sounds like a good upgrade. Is the upper > >> ball joint the same? Are there other changes > >> besides using spacers between the Trunnion and > >> the stock lower A-Arms? Being able to remove the > >> Trunnion without taking the A-Arms loose from the > >> spring pan would be a good thing I've discovered. > >> > >> If you could send me a few pictures, I'd > >> appreciate it. I know they won't make it through > >> the list, but I will get them if the message is addressed directly to me. > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> At 09:48 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: > >>> Yes, that was my reason for a change AND you can take the front > suspension > >>> apart without taking the spring out....big advantage! > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > >>> Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] > >>> Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2012 16:23 > >>> An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net > >>> Betreff: Re: AW: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >>> > >>> Does the later TR-4a / TR-6 vertical link have a larger diameter section > >>> that screws into the Trunnion? > >>> > >>> Tony > >>> > >>> At 02:32 AM 8/20/2012, MadMarx wrote: > >>> >Tony, > >>> > > >>> >you better move on the later trunnion and link versions as they are > >>> >more rugged than the older TR3/4 ones. > >>> >I have installed a TR6 front suspension. There have to be some parts to > >>> >replaced to do that. > >>> > > >>> >I used the TR6 trunnion but with TR4 wishbones. > >>> >With this you need some spacers next to the trunnion to make it fit. > >>> >I can send photos if you like. > >>> > > >>> >Cheers > >>> >Chris > >>> > > >>> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > >>> >Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > >>> >Auftrag von Tony Drews > >>> >Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. August 2012 23:07 > >>> >An: fot@autox.team.net > >>> >Betreff: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > >>> > > >>> >Are the new Vertical Links and Trunnions from Moss any good? This is > >>> >for a TR-4. If not, anyone got a decent set of original ones they'd be > >>> >willing to part with? > >>> > > >>> >I broke a right front vertical link where it attaches to the lower > >>> >trunnion at Grattan this weekend. That's kinda thrilling when > it >happens. > >>> > > >>> >Thanks in advance. > >>> > > >>> >Tony Drews > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 17:05:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91E22D02EA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AEEC52D02C7 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19546 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2012 23:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 23:06:58 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=65482 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3b3i-0004dq-DV; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:06:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:06:56 -0500 To: "Charly Mitchel" , "MadMarx" , From: Tony Drews References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Do you have a sense of how much "offset" there is at the outboard end of the A-arms? That would make up for the lowered pivot in the trunnion - at least partially. Also, someone mentioned to me that the stub axle may have been moved up on the TR-6 upright (which would lower the car). Can anyone confirm / deny this? It would be awesome to have the parts side by side for comparison - both upright / vertical link and trunnion / lower A-arm combination. Alternately, a few measurements from a TR-4A / TR-6 front suspension may help: On vertical link from bottom of upper ball joint mount to center line of spindle From center line of spindle to spring pan That should give me a good feel for how much (if any) the TR-6 setup would lower the car. Tony At 11:17 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >It depends on which way you install the arms, offsets up or offsets >down. My suspension had spacers to lower it and I flipped the lower >a-arms and removed the spacers and remained the same height. >Charly >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" >; >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:52 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > >>THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. >> >>OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower >>A arms, does that undo the lowering effect of the later >>trunnions? My car is low enough already, and messing with spring >>spacers doesn't sound like any fun at all. I've got two weekends >>before the next race to get this done. It sounds like the later >>A-arms are a direct bolt on for the earlier car with the welded in >>lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate the need for the reaming >>and spacers. It would probably also eliminate the additional >>camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else would be a positive. >> >>Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... :) >> >>Tony >> >>At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>>My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The >>>trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to >>>reverse them the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on >>>them are also L&R handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. >>>Charly >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>>To: "MadMarx" ; >>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> >>> >>>>I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>>>front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>>>is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>>>Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>>>the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>>>"handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are >>>>different parts). >>>> >>>>Why is the vertical link different from side to >>>>side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>>>make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >>>> >>>>Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 17:22:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1092D0373 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50532D036D for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([unknown] [96.240.161.112]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M9200KPDUD34LX0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:24:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:25:19 -0400 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 To: fot Subject: [Fot] need help w/40 DCOE 151 carb setup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gurus, I need some help with my Webers. I have a matched pair of 151s with the following configuration: 55F8 idle jets, 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 turns on the idle mixture screws, idles nicely at 1K RPM with ~ 1/2 turn on the idle speed screw. Accelerator pump jets are 40s, the pump exhaust valve hole soldered shut (the ball valve still works). Main jets ranged from 150 to 120, with various combinations of air bleeds from 150 to 190. The plastic float levels have been set to 14.5 and 22mm, to reduce fuel in the well. The problem is that above ~2K RPM the AFR drops to high 10, low 11, so of course the engine runs like crap. One more bit of info: fully closed the throttle plates are mid-way in the first progression hole. One Weber parts distributor said that was correct for 151s, another said that the carbs must be binding because the progression holes should be clear at fully closed throttle. Hmmm. The throttles have no binding that I can feel (linkage disconnected). I took a set of main jets and filled the fuel hole with JB Weld, thinking I'd start really small and work up. As a baseline test I made a run with the hole still closed and the AFR was still ~11.5. Ah ha! That tells me that it's not the main circuit which is the problem but rather the accelerator pump circuit. I noticed that at 2100-2200 RPM a ball of fuel forms on the jet, then drops into the venturi; that seems wrong to me, but I've not found any info in a myriad of Weber books on what might be wrong in the accelerator circuit . Falling back on my Army career, I'm tempted to implement my mantra that "there's no problem that judicially placed high explosive can't solve". Before I start shopping for C4, anyone have any ideas? Any and all advice gratefully accepted. Tnx! jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 17:44:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFA72D0323 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CA62D02C7 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.250.238.68] (228.sub-174-252-154.myvzw.com [174.252.154.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7KNkkh1015236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:46:49 -0400 References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <000a01cd7ef2$480c3f40$d824bdc0$@com> From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:46:45 -0400 To: MadMarx a=9sSHFd7xl4kA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=L0zxOG9ByYUA:10 a=1wIzrxkE8SytT5JmHI4vVA==:17 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=sSVkO8cOAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=CtEarTcnGjc-dCd-TjYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=1wIzrxkE8SytT5JmHI4vVA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] 1H race at Zolder/NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris. Great as always. For all of us on the east coast of USA, SVRA has apparently been sold to someone inTexas. Anyone have anymore info?? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:38 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > This is the last weekends race. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJq6Lf2exk > > Tactics was to save the car and doing a sprint at the last 20 min....which > resulted with a lead in our group. > 1st overall - group Triumph Competition > 1st in class > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:08:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8FE2D02AB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9333E2D01CA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so12869876obh.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:42 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9Lj5KgoNlxMAv9tRPAvvNh1VdLIdp7vTGzk1aPn2dAA=; b=ehuY/ZxSbHoU2BkVehyhH+hp5RdpuJeaL2PUPCyxR7wD26ozrYND9dRu5eErDjzgBW wIoWA73ocXWVIg03rdxcAKKrBXeT3Jn6vOUhAfPWg1VXZjcJq5Y4X4Fb7Uz8Nn1EDBwT indBDItZSfBjogIhaMtyGBEB7BxFxiFXeo5FRwI6BaRVmOA3sY9I+D+QHyVF9Rba0Bbx 2gSFNMfmIdcnwijhclu2hfdnyoUbn+MDNAeXSqPkQFXCIy3W8q8fijulLpEos0xpDNG3 oXakWpJbolqJQE2rsCn9AzSFO2wWU673G+GxybFu6s3h6ax45rWzNFGGpNFD3dxWuIIK yh/g== Received: by 10.182.146.46 with SMTP id sz14mr11469464obb.76.1345507542560; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3sm15597447obb.0.2012.08.20.17.05.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:05:34 -0500 References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <000a01cd7ef2$480c3f40$d824bdc0$@com> <48736916-F368-4EFE-B172-1C333419115E@gdhs.com> To: John Hasty Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] 1H race at Zolder/NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I read that it was sold to Tony Parella, who has been racing his gorgeous black 1958 Corvette in CVAR (Group 4, the Corinthian preservation class for pre-1962 cars) for a couple of years and now is also racing a newer car in Group 1 with the other later Corvettes and Pony cars. He's apparently a Corvette guy through and through (I'm told he has "a few"). You can look up his company, The Parella Group, on the Internet. He's a nice guy, trying to do racing right, who has overcome some adversity in life. His profile, on his company website: http://parellagroup.com/about-tony-parella.php I also run in Group 4, and fortunately for me, in the rain, he's toast. Unfortunately, it rarely rains here. Duncan Charlton 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Aug 20, 2012, at 6:46 PM, John Hasty wrote: > For all of us on the east coast of USA, SVRA has apparently been sold to someone inTexas. Anyone have anymore info?? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:29:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121A02D032B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CE22D0323 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id p8Td1j0041u4NiLADCXkEK; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:31:44 +0000 Received: from WalterPC ([68.35.35.233]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pCXi1j00g51oJMw8hCXjTk; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:31:43 +0000 From: "Walter Hollowell" To: "'J.C. Hassall'" , "'fot'" References: <5032C75F.4040807@blacksburg.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:31:44 -0600 Thread-Index: AQKqtMZJ7yY6sXIvp1zXtsZykmJroZWo/RAA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] need help w/40 DCOE 151 carb setup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My TR6 racecar with triple Weber 40 DCOEs runs well with the following setup. I am running at 12:1 compression, lots of porting and bigger valves. A very strong camshaft but not full race. Also, I am at 5,500 feet above sea level. Main Jets 130 Air 200 Emulsion Tube F7 Idle jets 55F9 Acel pump Jet 40 Bleed off set to Zero Idle mix screws set to two turns Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 5:25 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] need help w/40 DCOE 151 carb setup Gurus, I need some help with my Webers. I have a matched pair of 151s with the following configuration: 55F8 idle jets, 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 turns on the idle mixture screws, idles nicely at 1K RPM with ~ 1/2 turn on the idle speed screw. Accelerator pump jets are 40s, the pump exhaust valve hole soldered shut (the ball valve still works). Main jets ranged from 150 to 120, with various combinations of air bleeds from 150 to 190. The plastic float levels have been set to 14.5 and 22mm, to reduce fuel in the well. The problem is that above ~2K RPM the AFR drops to high 10, low 11, so of course the engine runs like crap. One more bit of info: fully closed the throttle plates are mid-way in the first progression hole. One Weber parts distributor said that was correct for 151s, another said that the carbs must be binding because the progression holes should be clear at fully closed throttle. Hmmm. The throttles have no binding that I can feel (linkage disconnected). I took a set of main jets and filled the fuel hole with JB Weld, thinking I'd start really small and work up. As a baseline test I made a run with the hole still closed and the AFR was still ~11.5. Ah ha! That tells me that it's not the main circuit which is the problem but rather the accelerator pump circuit. I noticed that at 2100-2200 RPM a ball of fuel forms on the jet, then drops into the venturi; that seems wrong to me, but I've not found any info in a myriad of Weber books on what might be wrong in the accelerator circuit . Falling back on my Army career, I'm tempted to implement my mantra that "there's no problem that judicially placed high explosive can't solve". Before I start shopping for C4, anyone have any ideas? Any and all advice gratefully accepted. Tnx! jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt@hot-tr6.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5211 - Release Date: 08/20/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 19:00:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C54C2D034A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2522D032C; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7L130rr032668; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8E97CE000093; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:02:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:02:58 -0500 To: "6-pack@autox.team.net" <6-pack@autox.team.net>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345510980; bh=+reOqeGShvKOrtaFKq3mUCGo1QSF8cWzi2bVWKfeSvI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=dTAI2nApY7AdtYRFNpJfor6bGxm8V7NLuVJLH7yZYicrhE9ec1JBcjd6LN8QAxFhy QsTTep4bhqcR5aUmmN8gwjyfqwO+y12J03aJsPi8OmIv0RPNBQSQZfsUvWwVIqcoNG F/eV3xas9/ZNxvOXO4fK3bWvXLa+I8gICQWpPoLM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29055032de436c11 Subject: [Fot] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I took the TR6 out today after adjusting the rear brakes. The parking brake was not holding properly so I tightened both sides up two clicks. Upon reaching the bottom of my driveway the car stopped itself. So. . . under the car and backed them both off one click and went for a drive. When I reached end of the street the pedal was low and I pumped it up and it was firm. I drove it for a few miles and the pedal was fading to the floor. It would pump up and hold firm for a moment then fade away again. I got the car home and looked underneath to see if I could spot any leaks that were obvious. Nothing. Master was full. My experience tells me this is an internal master cylinder leak. The pedal holds firm and then fades. Any other advice before I jump on the internet and order a new one? TIA _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 19:58:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B92A2D038A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1518F2C6CD1 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W26 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:01:35 -0700 From: marty sukey To: , FOT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:01:34 -0400 References: <58C0AFF6-A985-4E35-B1F2-C456D06FA5CC@me.com> FILETIME=[E4665A80:01CD7F40] Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I see on the Classic Motorsports web site forum it went for $55k. What a shame. Somebody ended up with a fantastic car though. Hopefully it was a FOT'r Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: sjanzen@me.com > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:20:39 -0400 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey > > Anybody know what it went for? RM has not published results as yet. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 20:12:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123CA2D0395 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7292D01FC; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7L2F5sR006440; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:15:05 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 55F0FE0000E4; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:15:02 -0500 References: <08A6CB2A-197F-4824-83CB-B4FB5AB1346E@aol.com> To: Jack Mc x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345515305; bh=wpZp+rqYMI+rjYuUchewZmahBvrBijellNezG2BS3gw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=HWV4Y1xm4oc+i8TBMbT9R2tFNf8GDXHw2BfrUKsr0mOIOSsNK0NPiqDUCUKkLEAkd J/pXlVGSswKUrrz4AL8b0a0ICeWK1Vauj+GuiTs9rPVgRPIISEWANAehO2rpKRJznL DFNQYZb+AUcU/8wxMtUjbRd+Pz0y0V3KXLFZXKS8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29425032ef285248 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "6-pack@autox.team.net" <6-pack@autox.team.net>, "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Do they have them in stock or do I need to send mine in? I know there is a core charge. Just thinking about the exchange time. Also, send it where? Apple, White Post. . . ? Sam On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Jack Mc wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Sam wrote: > >> Any other advice before >> I jump on the internet and order a new one? > > > > Yes > Don't order a new one - a lot of them are defective out of the box these days - send that one off and get it re-sleeved with brass and never worry about it again. > Cheers > Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 20:13:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6AB2C0CAD for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com [17.158.236.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A052C0D28 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-16-208-157.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.16.208.157]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M930078F2BD3030@nk11p04mm-asmtp010.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:16:27 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-20_04:2012-08-20,2012-08-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=11 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208200361 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:16:31 -0400 References: <58C0AFF6-A985-4E35-B1F2-C456D06FA5CC@me.com> To: marty sukey Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net wow - I'm not going to call it a great deal if all you want to do is go vintage racing, but for a car with that history, and given what went into the restoration, it seems like a real bargain. On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:01 PM, marty sukey wrote: I see on the Classic Motorsports web site forum it went for $55k. What a shame. Somebody ended up with a fantastic car though. Hopefully it was a FOT'r Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: sjanzen@me.com > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:20:39 -0400 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey > > Anybody know what it went for? RM has not published results as yet. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 20:14:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59292C0C8A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11BB2C04D6; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.129]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7L2Gs8p030847; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:16:54 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (ip72-213-139-102.ok.ok.cox.net [72.213.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 446DCE000084; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:16:52 -0500 References: <08A6CB2A-197F-4824-83CB-B4FB5AB1346E@aol.com> To: Jack Mc x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345515414; bh=a/ceRM4IDAWUXIpNou07zi/51jW6iMAOndb8BOJfuVg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=jlT87Wt9kW8ej6Am1MIb7XDY1msWa0AQ0QUuFuFPJkl66CFmS2HSxglKxlomkAhli ufv8JYfbuehj6aavoWuODALxJySTcK3B9TLUmdctTDrK6RqhkMhfRFxrwTONoIVEOJ cEnTEWkZy7KVbFCgeZRoFH8ptG/YXgf6pNeEBdxk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33815032ef954702 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "6-pack@autox.team.net" <6-pack@autox.team.net>, "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net BTW, I am using DOT5 and have been for years. Sam On Aug 20, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Jack Mc wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Sam wrote: > >> Any other advice before >> I jump on the internet and order a new one? > > > > Yes > Don't order a new one - a lot of them are defective out of the box these days - send that one off and get it re-sleeved with brass and never worry about it again. > Cheers > Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 04:59:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5282D03A2 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A892D035E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so2697800bkc.14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:57:06 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=xWXVuQ9F9Ycc86SCmxyPVQwCn0JJKe70GY9ltA3tt7M=; b=gwZayQB1/v5wZJzlsO7NVuVPpOkfq/qetK5UA1vbJoonbCvZB+/fgMmVkYdZnMtU+B VidNyx4wiKtth7asxDsb25VbthWc2oPVHGXttx1YtqqGzy9EJjzf5qV7AAeRTSxv+Yiq MIFiIyAp97fOLmrU7Kju1XnqR7kYo3kJDMO+QZRP5UlASlg0ZTL+PD52Nx9lFaEGeZ+S 24D382MhoPVdDLTvmXfgFGAHG4lZK88qrVIH3ECTaKO6RQHEdrAOKS6P6OSgHNnXEMHM tD5B+EQehkoCgarezxGhBvHqVTRowS/xALrk09TW5MYiDgOfi+BlZLoqnn2P+y6lwmnF zrBw== Received: by 10.205.132.12 with SMTP id hs12mr5184332bkc.47.1345546625951; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.14.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm595418bkx.9.2012.08.21.03.57.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Sam'" , <6-pack@autox.team.net>, , References: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:57:02 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac1/OM5SQUrh8w2tQ8impEwbdTu8jwAUrCXg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Brakes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There is a diaphragm spring behind the little piston in the master. I most cases this spring gets tired and is not able to hold pressure. You can overcome it with slamming on the brakes then it should hold pressure. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Sam Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. August 2012 03:03 An: 6-pack@autox.team.net; triumphs@autox.team.net; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Brakes I took the TR6 out today after adjusting the rear brakes. The parking brake was not holding properly so I tightened both sides up two clicks. Upon reaching the bottom of my driveway the car stopped itself. So. . . under the car and backed them both off one click and went for a drive. When I reached end of the street the pedal was low and I pumped it up and it was firm. I drove it for a few miles and the pedal was fading to the floor. It would pump up and hold firm for a moment then fade away again. I got the car home and looked underneath to see if I could spot any leaks that were obvious. Nothing. Master was full. My experience tells me this is an internal master cylinder leak. The pedal holds firm and then fades. Any other advice before I jump on the internet and order a new one? TIA _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 05:29:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00932D037F for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:29:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8722D0323 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP471 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:26:44 -0700 Received: from [10.228.127.121] ([174.231.4.107]) by BLU0-SMTP471.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:26:43 -0700 From: "trmarty@hotmail.com" To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:26:58 -0400 FILETIME=[D7B42250:01CD7F8F] Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody know off the top of your head what the thread size is in the front of a, TR4 crank? Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:18:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15E52D0299 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35A02D0221 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so2184547eek.14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:20:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=P9F0sxltSDz3GV1i3bIxT0Dbj0QN4rzTHlaF0WBxk3w=; b=ZyG96A3rxWYCCiChy8ZhmyutWUSc1pKGuCMfgiFkaQHr+EaSb7rfiXZ4tIrmgx15Pd 1G59x5od9rwybe/cVqDFTwTrJ4ih+Q6f+GHDtLH2yDvxo7BNSELd+ZokYFpSBxMxOH/g V/ZaGrZHrhYonAUBSnc//Ag4FcgtKw6nMPgWYp9gmzlIFA5+QZfawDrjM5wX/rQ3JaO5 zJbe0ulrCTlGzN/fYsLsXm0t7hzJlOPQb7HiIjj6pSOjfvhnuEMSC957/9EXbXYX2ntK 9VtPLzBCJSgD5i2QVl8yO+I9FzujekA+JX9tgh9XIkVJLlwONa5ZbZgY3Yw1gCeCQYHc SM2w== Received: by 10.14.5.78 with SMTP id 54mr13354194eek.1.1345551656763; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.208 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:20:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <20120820230600.3DB952D03B2@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:20:56 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net the whole concept seems to me to be a good idea as for me I like to keep the car on the track and not in the grass if you are lucky to have some, all our cars have changed alot to keep going strong an it is up to us to keep them changing to stay ahead of the crowd ...and to pass goo ideas On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Do you have a sense of how much "offset" there is at the outboard end of > the A-arms? That would make up for the lowered pivot in the trunnion - at > least partially. > > Also, someone mentioned to me that the stub axle may have been moved up on > the TR-6 upright (which would lower the car). Can anyone confirm / deny > this? > > It would be awesome to have the parts side by side for comparison - both > upright / vertical link and trunnion / lower A-arm combination. > > Alternately, a few measurements from a TR-4A / TR-6 front suspension may > help: > On vertical link from bottom of upper ball joint mount to center line of > spindle > From center line of spindle to spring pan > > That should give me a good feel for how much (if any) the TR-6 setup would > lower the car. > > Tony > > > At 11:17 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: > >> It depends on which way you install the arms, offsets up or offsets >> down. My suspension had spacers to lower it and I flipped the lower a-arms >> and removed the spacers and remained the same height. >> Charly >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >> To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" < >> tr4racing@googlemail.com>; >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >> >> THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. >>> >>> OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower A >>> arms, does that undo the lowering effect of the later trunnions? My car is >>> low enough already, and messing with spring spacers doesn't sound like any >>> fun at all. I've got two weekends before the next race to get this done. >>> It sounds like the later A-arms are a direct bolt on for the earlier car >>> with the welded in lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate the need for >>> the reaming and spacers. It would probably also eliminate the additional >>> camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else would be a >>> positive. >>> >>> Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... >>> :) >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>> >>>> My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The >>>> trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse them >>>> the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on them are also L&R >>>> handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. >>>> Charly >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>>> To: "MadMarx" ; >>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>>>> front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>>>> is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>>>> Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>>>> the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>>>> "handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different >>>>> parts). >>>>> >>>>> Why is the vertical link different from side to >>>>> side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>>>> make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Tony >>>>> >>>> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 08:21:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAF82D037E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3A02D030C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.76.5]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 888545D8073; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:17:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "MadMarx" , , "Tony Drews" References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <20120820230700.219B2105619D@stor30.mfg.siteprotect.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:17:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net BTW, when you do find some vertical links, check them for straightness. I've got several bent ones, it appears the right side is almost always bent. If they're bent, they'll bind up when rotated. This can be difficult to check if not on the car. When I rebuild my suspension,I assemble the upper and lower joints with the vertical without a spring and then rotate it and go through the suspension range to check it. Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > Do you have a sense of how much "offset" there is at the outboard end of > the A-arms? That would make up for the lowered pivot in the trunnion - at > least partially. > > Also, someone mentioned to me that the stub axle may have been moved up on > the TR-6 upright (which would lower the car). Can anyone confirm / deny > this? > > It would be awesome to have the parts side by side for comparison - both > upright / vertical link and trunnion / lower A-arm combination. > > Alternately, a few measurements from a TR-4A / TR-6 front suspension may > help: > On vertical link from bottom of upper ball joint mount to center line of > spindle > From center line of spindle to spring pan > > That should give me a good feel for how much (if any) the TR-6 setup would > lower the car. > > Tony > > At 11:17 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>It depends on which way you install the arms, offsets up or offsets down. >>My suspension had spacers to lower it and I flipped the lower a-arms and >>removed the spacers and remained the same height. >>Charly >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" >>; >>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >> >>>THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. >>> >>>OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower A >>>arms, does that undo the lowering effect of the later trunnions? My car >>>is low enough already, and messing with spring spacers doesn't sound like >>>any fun at all. I've got two weekends before the next race to get this >>>done. It sounds like the later A-arms are a direct bolt on for the >>>earlier car with the welded in lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate >>>the need for the reaming and spacers. It would probably also eliminate >>>the additional camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else >>>would be a positive. >>> >>>Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... >>>:) >>> >>>Tony >>> >>>At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>>>My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The >>>>trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse them >>>>the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on them are also L&R >>>>handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. >>>>Charly >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>>>To: "MadMarx" ; >>>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>>>>front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>>>>is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>>>>Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>>>>the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>>>>"handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different >>>>>parts). >>>>> >>>>>Why is the vertical link different from side to >>>>>side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>>>>make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, Tony > _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 08:22:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420162D0475 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 487052D030E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 14:22:02 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 14:22:02 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 14:22:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 14:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 67294 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2012 14:22:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345558921; bh=iRkYik3pKtOZIE+pG71gFA9NkMBQ6QAWqP0lRgYFpGg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n2RUswNlj9L/q3P3/z7h4ZXTlHcigJ1IMzD71fX1H/pBVcPoXaJzUsVAb4mmsXswVnY88fX8hlP7XleU9a/JWb29tRhHkqlxc1JJZMf46QlOg4a1KIy+uBJsILVP6CIxTA0mDxpEKS+NRDIFWO4BLZbBQ5iaSj6UDyLV4vyxeZU= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ioNHY9bf/0LJgB1dcXpmRvm/OnkIgkVGtqAkhV0RcSgJdgpZgJAoRXCmvVakOq1XU/FdKYcaVzpj+TUail+pjwdEGmxKPhQ5jTe8lTGc9J0qZAYoTHMHTULQvA3THxZ1xgeH4klNZzthzc8AR79ASktgwltPmj9ND1qlb7oW8jY=; Cs_n9RyksTbVz0kOIQAeCV1zvLDfUsGNHpREKrxMwkeyuVx_pQ8PIPdHvUH0 BcNreqVzKhErdn48dHwVcEcFT2BAi8Gp7Fxm35Rny4s5vBhd9xuNx57RQIpG la_6ZIpeRtc9HFe84aw_X7Qcd7BNBAQUe_Kz.gD_NnUDLpvb8JL6cIKWxTGe 72QHvXyGYUztLMEmgARoH1T_Olqxl6afudkyec_IR.LvAzhH8AZrzobEfVvM c7zdi7ymBJs5ZEPMNUoU73R9OjLVjgC0KRifBS2FaAXYDoVnnaMOv7J1lnQi X1vR_pgfMGvkwyooCDU8eFP_aDKT1TRthT4kV9bOt4eDgvxTfInZJV1UYXyD 9CezlonDL3abd_swSRbCcZs8aBTvnuy72DjXAGj7wjik2_j7jj2kP1Pyv5Sx JG2QaJ71iKbtx8e9DMJ1P7B4h3IbZdEIpYAwq8fwwP9LWroreXoE- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:22:01 PDT References: <58C0AFF6-A985-4E35-B1F2-C456D06FA5CC@me.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Scott Janzen Cc: George Curl , FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tim said it sold Saturday night, I haven't seen the sale price yet... I'm guessing a number in my head... I'm sure it's a record for a GT6 so.... if anyone gets the news I would love to know... My friend George Curl (past prez of CVAR) said the price went up after I sat in the car again at the Mitty this year... must have been my golden bum.... ahh..... nevermind... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Mon, August 20, 2012 5:23:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 at Monterey Anybody know what it went for? RM has not published results as yet. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 08:34:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E452C2D038A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7E42D034E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7LEVvWf008218 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:31:57 -0400 Received: from core-msb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.133]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 81B47E000089 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:31:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345559517; bh=kED2wqwVWiiqxFFfkCpKvN4nMhIjuTrupr9Zgs4Qptk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QPRSNnwiJiLu2r7M+Y1fb3zN9ALKMTfILlq9NwQmsIBOJMEwOqzpmcCUE186O2oqT /Vd+DkLmwqvkMm+pF4ZxY9pqxw8vSL87TDLJnwtD6y9KJaiqK9NTtVlfbTj19iVLib HXSbnmCFPWMYe1HMZqa+Q9Kt1s3tLIFovYHS8Wdk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a50339bdd0dbc Subject: [Fot] TR250/TR6 TRUNIONS AND VERTICAL LINKS.....CONVERSION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What a list! The knowledge base here is one that helps improve the breed. Parts are on their way to Tony and I am sure he will share the experience of his conversion. FOT GCRs?? We have none. That's between you and your tech inspector. We have no rules....other than being nice to each other. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 08:40:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44872D03A2 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47102D037F for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so7716532vcb.14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=zBLLkZaNHbcH4BTrw+j8R3/bTXaL+ljO8r4K8cOocRU=; b=MA2r19lokRAeMp7blUUMLSjEyBzWygq5GiGNWcluz90Z6Z+727eAKkvHUXRZekgU2M klmnC66WFAvb/AqpT6Cx6Voyawa5mB1AgTVtunzP01Niy89e8VwZ2AJ5sfu04GZa5INV ZuPxI3l3YG3VKWtBsQTCwozckWPPjle43CWhZm/lwwd0LJtAEQ/uxi89ohy652ofbzej obQ4fJu7W/YpLi+R89AG4CtW1Ar8uEMLDce6xTEQdc15G+NyYrFLbi3lmanq23IDh+gF qb5iHyWS/V4de0xbBDpWUX1Wv9A/dh8sPQRsGHS/dSiWxN/l4931XOLBvG5HO/CBQyWh U30Q== Received: by 10.52.100.165 with SMTP id ez5mr11514968vdb.108.1345560162831; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.107.71 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <20120820230700.219B2105619D@stor30.mfg.siteprotect.com> <5F309C4276B041A2B2BED96CFFB9E5B9@Charly> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:42:42 -0700 From: MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS To: Charly Mitchel Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Some vertical links were purposely bent on early cars to get neg. camber, mine being one of those. The lower wishbones were also bent to some degree and i to have TR6 componants, do i agree with this practice?........not really.....and i do keep a real close eye on those componants. Mark '63 TR4 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: > BTW, when you do find some vertical links, check them for straightness. > I've got several bent ones, it appears the right side is almost always > bent. If they're bent, they'll bind up when rotated. This can be difficult > to check if not on the car. When I rebuild my suspension,I assemble the > upper and lower joints with the vertical without a spring and then rotate > it and go through the suspension range to check it. > > Charly > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" < > tr4racing@googlemail.com>; > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > > > Do you have a sense of how much "offset" there is at the outboard end of >> the A-arms? That would make up for the lowered pivot in the trunnion - at >> least partially. >> >> Also, someone mentioned to me that the stub axle may have been moved up >> on the TR-6 upright (which would lower the car). Can anyone confirm / deny >> this? >> >> It would be awesome to have the parts side by side for comparison - both >> upright / vertical link and trunnion / lower A-arm combination. >> >> Alternately, a few measurements from a TR-4A / TR-6 front suspension may >> help: >> On vertical link from bottom of upper ball joint mount to center line of >> spindle >> From center line of spindle to spring pan >> >> That should give me a good feel for how much (if any) the TR-6 setup >> would lower the car. >> >> Tony >> >> At 11:17 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >> >>> It depends on which way you install the arms, offsets up or offsets >>> down. My suspension had spacers to lower it and I flipped the lower a-arms >>> and removed the spacers and remained the same height. >>> Charly >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>> To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" < >>> tr4racing@googlemail.com>; >>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>> >>> >>> THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. >>>> >>>> OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower A >>>> arms, does that undo the lowering effect of the later trunnions? My car is >>>> low enough already, and messing with spring spacers doesn't sound like any >>>> fun at all. I've got two weekends before the next race to get this done. >>>> It sounds like the later A-arms are a direct bolt on for the earlier car >>>> with the welded in lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate the need for >>>> the reaming and spacers. It would probably also eliminate the additional >>>> camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else would be a >>>> positive. >>>> >>>> Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>>> >>>>> My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The >>>>> trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse them >>>>> the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on them are also L&R >>>>> handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. >>>>> Charly >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>>>> To: "MadMarx" ; >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>>>>> front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>>>>> is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>>>>> Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>>>>> the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>>>>> "handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different >>>>>> parts). >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is the vertical link different from side to >>>>>> side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>>>>> make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Tony >>>>>> >>>>> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/mpendy@dishmail.* > *net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 08:41:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355D62D03B8 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D292D0530 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7LEgm3e005551; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:42:52 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , References: <8CF4DC0DA2A0FFD-179C-96943@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:42:47 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac1/qog1u0Y3XkbuRoep3Yiz5eATdwAAJoNQ reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR250/TR6 TRUNIONS AND VERTICAL LINKS.....CONVERSION Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well Now, guys/gals here's the answer. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:32 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR250/TR6 TRUNIONS AND VERTICAL LINKS.....CONVERSION What a list! The knowledge base here is one that helps improve the breed. Parts are on their way to Tony and I am sure he will share the experience of his conversion. FOT GCRs?? We have none. That's between you and your tech inspector. We have no rules....other than being nice to each other. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 08:51:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747292D03D3 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B396D2D03B8 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7LEm0q5015885; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:48:00 -0400 Received: from core-dgb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.73]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3886AE000090; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <20120820230700.219B2105619D@stor30.mfg.siteprotect.com> <5F309C4276B041A2B2BED96CFFB9E5B9@Charly> To: charly@mitchelplumbing.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net, tony@tonydrews.com From: fubog1 Received: from 74.233.154.159 by webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.235) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:47:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345560480; bh=Oe/FkV9zISmyDckiXRNymLeQ7twXCMKy/35l0UU6wpA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AE9lWFv6AsJxfAE/Rn/7PDkHyrC8MBVph35kv9TW03TTa9ehiu7NkUWNUweDMlAWF LJlVlDY3BPINSAHaHSCy45VbnoorbSwXgGnbH2dsD1ASW/9ExgCjXrg1sGZhMYm33O zgNZkK57L3atRARbPjt5MYvdn2kL5f0GCBc/7Jwc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c850339fa019c9 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What Charly said, big problem area there. The links should also be crack-checked periodically. Also make sure that the trunnion isn't stressed fore/aft when the ball joint is fitted. Adjust ride height by spacing spring up or shim spring pan down to suit. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: MadMarx ; fot ; Tony Drews Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion BTW, when you do find some vertical links, check them for straightness. I've got several bent ones, it appears the right side is almost always bent. If they're bent, they'll bind up when rotated. This can be difficult to check if not on the car. When I rebuild my suspension,I assemble the upper and lower joints with the vertical without a spring and then rotate it and go through the suspension range to check it. Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" ; Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion > Do you have a sense of how much "offset" there is at the outboard end of > the A-arms? That would make up for the lowered pivot in the trunnion - at > least partially. > > Also, someone mentioned to me that the stub axle may have been moved up on > the TR-6 upright (which would lower the car). Can anyone confirm / deny > this? > > It would be awesome to have the parts side by side for comparison - both > upright / vertical link and trunnion / lower A-arm combination. > > Alternately, a few measurements from a TR-4A / TR-6 front suspension may > help: > On vertical link from bottom of upper ball joint mount to center line of > spindle > From center line of spindle to spring pan > > That should give me a good feel for how much (if any) the TR-6 setup would > lower the car. > > Tony > > At 11:17 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>It depends on which way you install the arms, offsets up or offsets down. >>My suspension had spacers to lower it and I flipped the lower a-arms and >>removed the spacers and remained the same height. >>Charly >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>To: "Charly Mitchel" ; "MadMarx" >>; >>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >> >> >>>THAT's it. Left hand thread / Right hand thread. Thanks. >>> >>>OK, next question - If I switch from TR-4 to TR-4a (or TR-6) lower A >>>arms, does that undo the lowering effect of the later trunnions? My car >>>is low enough already, and messing with spring spacers doesn't sound like >>>any fun at all. I've got two weekends before the next race to get this >>>done. It sounds like the later A-arms are a direct bolt on for the >>>earlier car with the welded in lower frame pivots. It may also eliminate >>>the need for the reaming and spacers. It would probably also eliminate >>>the additional camber gain - not sure that's a plus, but everything else >>>would be a positive. >>> >>>Joe, your TR-250 front end is getting more attractive as we go along... >>>:) >>> >>>Tony >>> >>>At 10:41 AM 8/20/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >>>>My guess is the are L&R handed to keep from mixing them up. The >>>>trunnion has the castor built into them and if you tried to reverse them >>>>the wheel would have opposite castor. The threads on them are also L&R >>>>handed and can only be assembled as a set L&R. >>>>Charly >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>>>To: "MadMarx" ; >>>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:33 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'm looking at a diagram of the TR-4 and TR-4a >>>>>front suspension. On the 4A, the vertical link >>>>>is different for Left Hand side of the car and >>>>>Right Hand side of the car while on the TR-4 it's >>>>>the same part for both sides. The trunnions are >>>>>"handed" too - right / left hand for both set ups (but are different >>>>>parts). >>>>> >>>>>Why is the vertical link different from side to >>>>>side? I'm not seeing the difference and want to >>>>>make sure I cover my bases if I make this conversion. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, Tony > _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 09:14:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497FC2C0D2B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15DB2C0D13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7LFGnih018098 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:16:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <20120820230700.219B2105619D@stor30.mfg.siteprotect.com> <5F309C4276B041A2B2BED96CFFB9E5B9@Charly> <8CF4DC317D41F08-19FC-326C@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi - Call me stupid, but I have to ask this follow-up question... I believe the initial question was "are the new vertical links worth buying?". There were a tonne of responses to the effect of "when you swap in a used vertical link, check for... yadda yadda yadda. I get that. But I don't think the original question was ever actually answered. Does that mean unequivocably that the new ones should be avoided? I'll toss in anecdotal comments overheard from a certain materials science member of the list - that the new castings may be flawed (due to metalurgy and to casting methods), but that's the extent of anything that I know on this topic. Can anyone chime on on this with something other than "offshore stuff all sucks". As a point of information, in the northeast where this is salt on the roads, all the cores that I've obtained over the years have rust along the area of the threaded portion of the link where it threads into the trunnion. As a semi-interested party in metal fatigue and so forth, I can't get myself to use any of these because I have no idea how bad the rust has penetrated - but I also know that the presence of corrosion can't be a good thing. So, should "we" avoid the _new_ vertical links altogether? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 09:42:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0832D03A5 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0212D031E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7LFj19b024554; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:45:01 -0400 Received: from core-dgc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.129]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C430E00008E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) References: <20120819210547.336A82D027A@autox.team.net> <003f01cd7ea5$eed78de0$cc86a9a0$@com> <50324848.a1e2440a.2716.fffffe8fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001a01cd7ee2$de96dcf0$9bc496d0$@com> <50325048.49be440a.78ca.71ffSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001f01cd7ee5$b0df7ee0$129e7ca0$@com> <20120820153131.1F8492D03B0@autox.team.net> <680D30284129444498D8F78250F89BD9@Charly> <20120820155219.29CF83003353@stor07r.mfg.siteprotect.com> <35EB6B88225F43F5899722909C9CB9B7@Charly> <20120820230700.219B2105619D@stor30.mfg.siteprotect.com> <5F309C4276B041A2B2BED96CFFB9E5B9@Charly> <8CF4DC317D41F08-19FC-326C@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com> To: lang@isis.mit.edu, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 74.233.154.159 by webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.235) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:45:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:45:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345563901; bh=MbmIohNyPJGNNon5Sp+jvTB4AsTZejKYd9UmwEGZJzs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c04rcJ615BdQLkCRVYxVqOby/hr8L6Ld7DjgHu2t+/9NOQkkwZiOPckO6DjUpPeZm i8MciQLrtEoJIFEZ0WpvF6E8twFD5dnzbjw97BiX/4cLPttfXu+KFhIF1JHZyMHKyr aQhNeplOSUe98V3AauRN0OzzBXDAR7SYAexXGSHs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5033acfd6e6d Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It all depends on what inventory a particular supplier has at any time. I don't think that any of the larger suppliers knowingly sell crap but I have bought exactly that at times from all of them. You/I as the end-user have to make the ultimate call, inspect everything and if something doesn't seem right it's because it isn't... I wouldn't use a vertical link with corrosion on that inside corner, that's obviously where all of the stress is, I have seen several break there. Glen ps- check the fulcrum pin/hole to trunnion, have seen several repros not square/off center!!! -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 vertical link and trunnion Hi - Call me stupid, but I have to ask this follow-up question... I believe the initial question was "are the new vertical links worth buying?". There were a tonne of responses to the effect of "when you swap in a used vertical link, check for... yadda yadda yadda. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 10:12:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91AA2D0408 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423B82D0323 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7LGEdOd019576 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:14:39 -0400 Received: from core-msb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.133]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A7258E00008D for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:14:39 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:14:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:14:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345565679; bh=vi5AuliT8o7megb+0QDMHMN9REK53CDJvkxn16c/al8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XjZswH1nWCjQFCuTjRwu7PUJFa65oTN6rPLu8HCKg2t3luOKso48RXaeixX4X41w1 da2TGhhCTFv528NQJ72o68AVtpipI/REgrcEPnCAykOXNCu3oKC6KPHpKKLzQniaUZ SkAAPGg55agr8gSR3Riy82v40fW1J26ZgHCpiaH4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5033b3ef1604 Subject: [Fot] TR6/TR250 BRAKE CALIPER BRACKETS AVAILABLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Now that the suspensions are dismantled, for Tony's project, I have a pair if brake brackets available if anyone has been thinking about a brake conversion on their TR3. CONTACT ME off list...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 10:24:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218462D037F for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 253812D01FE for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3349 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2012 16:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2012 16:26:51 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=50419 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3rI3-0006qw-1I; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:26:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:26:51 -0500 To: "trmarty@hotmail.com" ,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I measure 0.630", fine thread. Must be 5/8". Tony At 06:26 AM 8/21/2012, trmarty@hotmail.com wrote: >Anybody know off the top of your head what the thread size is in the >front of a, TR4 crank? > >Marty > >Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 10:10:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from deferred-out-211.livemail.co.uk (deferred-out-211.livemail.co.uk [213.171.216.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9002C0BBB for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cust-smtp-193.fasthosts.net.uk (smtp-out-60.livemail.co.uk [213.171.216.60]) by deferred-out-211.livemail.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F3BE048D for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:12:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from IIS6102 (server213-171-193-89.livedns.org.uk [213.171.193.89]) by cust-smtp-193.fasthosts.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id F148414100C1 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:12:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:12:46 +0100 Subject: reply me ASAP To: fot-archive@autox.team.net From: Mr.Evan Keobi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Attention: Beneficiary, This is to inform you about your email success in our computer balloting held on 3rd August 2012 . 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ANTHONY UKPO ASSISTANT DEPUTY GOVERNOR [SKYE BANK PLC] From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 11:25:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4C22D0275 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7130C2C0D27 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22765 invoked by uid 0); 22 Aug 2012 17:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2012 17:22:32 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=59867 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T4EdU-000686-JC for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:22:32 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:22:32 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Front Spring spacer length? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've got the TR-250 front suspension pieces now (thanks Joe!) and it looks like they will lower my car about an inch. Sooo, how much spacer do I need to add to the spring to offset that? I'm guessing it's about a 2 to 1 deal, so 1/2" spacer would be an inch of ride height. Anyone have something better than a guess for this? By the way, the TR-250 (and 4A and 6) upright / vertical link is significantly beefier than the TR-4 piece as has been mentioned on the list. The upper portion seems to be larger cross section as well as the lower screw portion being larger in diameter. Thanks in advance, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 12:28:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1082D028B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3703F2D0192 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7MIPqCn011534; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:52 -0400 Received: from core-msa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.77]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A5EACE00008F; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <20120822172613.C150E2D0299@autox.team.net> To: tony@tonydrews.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345659952; bh=+ag35l+cOZ8o+Ut7WQkDnEA0XvtCkGRAh5lscs4hZOg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rP1+jqDhoFZ0DIIvHbaz3MDPCC9BC7FvXU8d4IJHLFdC0XMZd4uY0mUIljFxEokaW uKlgZkAhXBWhDAuhn+0vb2wt7oPNMg+RD1Axc0xEaHPWkzcI7/1eMl1+BGIP2Vjtxk E/OOeSoLO0bRSIJZuBum/AOLjcqjCKyXxChjciBo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b5035242f3f04 Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Spring spacer length? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net that's what i have used in the past 1/2 = 1 i did not realize the TR6 parts were significantly more stout. thanks Chris. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 12:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Front Spring spacer length? I've got the TR-250 front suspension pieces now (thanks Joe!) and it looks like they will lower my car about an inch. Sooo, how much spacer do I need to add to the spring to offset that? I'm guessing it's about a 2 to 1 deal, so 1/2" spacer would be an inch of ride height. Anyone have something better than a guess for this? By the way, the TR-250 (and 4A and 6) upright / vertical link is significantly beefier than the TR-4 piece as has been mentioned on the list. The upper portion seems to be larger cross section as well as the lower screw portion being larger in diameter. Thanks in advance, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 13:01:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904A72D029C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E13192D027C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:03:36 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: chris crisenbery To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 13:05:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1D22D029C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E5952D015F for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:07:46 PDT References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: chris crisenbery To: chris crisenbery , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Auction estimate was $75K to $125K ________________________________ From: chris crisenbery To: "fot@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitracer1296@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 14:47:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57462D0346 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s8.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s8.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D242D0197 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W62 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s8.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:42:49 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:42:49 +0000 FILETIME=[B18014A0:01CD80A6] Subject: [Fot] GT-6 Historic REAL car. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What a pity that a perfect restoration and truly nice piece with terrrific history goes for that small price compared to nice street cas with no history are nearly the same. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 16:36:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5972F2D02A3 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3825A2D027C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7MMcsRX029529 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:38:54 -0400 Received: from core-mse005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.81]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 92793E00008F for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:38:54 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.104) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:38:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:38:54 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1345675134; bh=SUDwaeX640hpcmcGrqtgW2/x/vJktuny3M/LTyKCIiQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W5GeekEZOHziPW+nXZVd7xFVU0tDoM4wOQtV1m+4p5Klh3eszZRPlMsv6eYROyP4n c0p2ZCNEG05pL4EdxhgAMdhBpj8ODzl8wcpBwKG3NYZ8Dt5tExfWsql6fl6tckudk4 IKiFxtBBEmKZDB/cJQMQMqARaFZ+sBM9t24jyq/Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c850355f7e4bb0 Subject: [Fot] inquiry on transportation midwest to la area Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net if someone has something going from east to west in the next couple months, let me know and we can discuss. 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E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 19:14:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020F02D03D2 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8D22D029E for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b28.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.128]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q7MNV1Ir020598 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:17:25 GMT Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:17:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don't be surprised @ this price. These cars are directed to a smaller niche market. Even with provenance it has limited real value except to some of us. You could build a similar car for 25K to 30K so the history/provenance value doubled its value. Sadly, It may never bring this price again. Me thinks RM estimated their price point intentionally high. I would have done the same. My two cents. mordy Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 09:04:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from deferred-out-210.livemail.co.uk (deferred-out-210.livemail.co.uk [213.171.216.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F802D0300 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cust-smtp-192.fasthosts.net.uk (smtp-out-60.livemail.co.uk [213.171.216.60]) by deferred-out-210.livemail.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5B65819C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:06:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from IIS6102 (server213-171-193-89.livedns.org.uk [213.171.193.89]) by cust-smtp-192.fasthosts.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id A221F7700F9 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:06:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:06:46 +0100 Subject: reply me ASAP To: fot-archive@autox.team.net From: Mr.Evan Keobi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Attention: Beneficiary, This is to inform you about your email success in our computer balloting held on 3rd August 2012 . 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ANTHONY UKPO ASSISTANT DEPUTY GOVERNOR [SKYE BANK PLC] From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 15:24:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E642D0642 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D842D063B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:21:55 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:21:54 -0700 Thread-Topic: RE: [Fot] Odd compression? Thread-Index: Ac2BdVF/GNSFzbfrTaSMaM3PBgxtBA== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Did a leak down test on the GT6 motor. Retorqued the head to 75 lb ft. Performed test, and cylinders 1-5 were leaking through their exhaust valves. All cylinders were also leaking through the head gasket, but ONLY on the left side (opposite intake/exhaust ports). Pulled the head, and the intake/exhaust (right) side of the gasket looked fine, but the left side had oil and water on the gasket, both top & bottom of gasket. So, it's got leaky exhaust valves, and head gasket leak. Possibly the head studs are too long, since the head has been machined who knows how many times? Perhaps the studs are stretched? Also, one pushrod is a touch shorter than the rest. I think this can be adjusted for, but it would make the geometry a bit off, correct? The pushrods are also a slightly different design than on my spare engine. With the head milled a bit, still use the original length pushrods? This is all puzzling to me and my non-professional but competent mechanic pal. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 16:44:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24942D03F7 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com [17.158.236.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AE92C0C28 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.17] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M9800GK6CMZOC30@nk11p04mm-asmtp009.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:47:25 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-23_06:2012-08-23,2012-08-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208230266 From: Scott Janzen Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:47:21 -0400 References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A46D6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> To: Edward Dunn Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Ed Sounds to me like you have a warped head, non-level block and/or studs that are stretched to the point where they've lost their elasticity (my engineering materials courses are 35 years in the rearview mirror, sorry if the terminology is wrong). Too long is not an issue unless you are running out of thread to tighten the nuts. Anyway, I'd suggest getting some new studs from ARP or another good supplier, and getting the both the head and block checked by a good machinist to make sure they're both flat, and getting the valves and valve seats re-cut. Leakage along the outside of the pushrod galleys is not unusual - I usually assemble with a bit of black permatex over there, but not between the combustion chamber and the pushrod galleys. Length of pushrods, etc - sometimes you can have these shortened, depending on the design. Basically, you need to install and see if, when the camshaft travels through the lift cycle, the rocker travel across the tip of the valve is pretty close to centered. If it's off, you'll get too much side load on the valve and wear issues. There are lots of aftermarket pushrod mfrs who can supply new ones to the right length, or your machinist may be able to shorten the ones you have. On Aug 23, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: Did a leak down test on the GT6 motor. Retorqued the head to 75 lb ft. Performed test, and cylinders 1-5 were leaking through their exhaust valves. All cylinders were also leaking through the head gasket, but ONLY on the left side (opposite intake/exhaust ports). Pulled the head, and the intake/exhaust (right) side of the gasket looked fine, but the left side had oil and water on the gasket, both top & bottom of gasket. So, it's got leaky exhaust valves, and head gasket leak. Possibly the head studs are too long, since the head has been machined who knows how many times? Perhaps the studs are stretched? Also, one pushrod is a touch shorter than the rest. I think this can be adjusted for, but it would make the geometry a bit off, correct? The pushrods are also a slightly different design than on my spare engine. With the head milled a bit, still use the original length pushrods? This is all puzzling to me and my non-professional but competent mechanic pal. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 17:00:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BD62D033A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C801E2D02E1 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:03:31 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:03:30 -0700 Thread-Topic: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Thread-Index: Ac2Bg4NBSVl5WnEaRq+l3jw3TN+JXQ== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, we'll check it out more tonight. Will likely order a set of ARP head studs. Guess I'll take the head back to the cylinder head shop to have them check the exhaust valves. The engine was rebuilt last winter, and had a very good race weekend before it failed. Did not retorque after the initial race weekend. When doing a leak down test, how much time do you use per cylinder? Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 17:13:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E22C0B16 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484E2D0334 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS154 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:14:46 -0700 References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A46D6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <05D98DFA-F065-4BF8-BF04-04BF956EAAAA@me.com> From: Vince G Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:14:44 -0400 To: Scott Janzen FILETIME=[161571B0:01CD8185] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On this engine the leaking head gasket from the fuel pump side of the block is a classic symptom I starting your torque sequence in the wrong side ( I've made that mistake. Have the valves and seats been recently done? I've rebuilt 4 of those exact engines and never had to replace the stick bolts but that is not to say yours are ok You can check the head for flat/true by cleaning everything good then without bolts or head gasket set the head into the engine block an use a .002 gauge to check for gaps between block and head everywhere. If you have a proper metal straight edge you can lay it across block and head to further check if you are of a mind to "do it yourself" and this is a stock rebuild. The machine shop is of course the best answer if it hasn't already been there just prior to your recent assembly. Best if luck Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-23, at 6:47 PM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > Hi, Ed > Sounds to me like you have a warped head, non-level block and/or studs that are stretched to the point where they've lost their elasticity (my engineering materials courses are 35 years in the rearview mirror, sorry if the terminology is wrong). Too long is not an issue unless you are running out of thread to tighten the nuts. > Anyway, I'd suggest getting some new studs from ARP or another good supplier, and getting the both the head and block checked by a good machinist to make sure they're both flat, and getting the valves and valve seats re-cut. > Leakage along the outside of the pushrod galleys is not unusual - I usually assemble with a bit of black permatex over there, but not between the combustion chamber and the pushrod galleys. > Length of pushrods, etc - sometimes you can have these shortened, depending on the design. Basically, you need to install and see if, when the camshaft travels through the lift cycle, the rocker travel across the tip of the valve is pretty close to centered. If it's off, you'll get too much side load on the valve and wear issues. There are lots of aftermarket pushrod mfrs who can supply new ones to the right length, or your machinist may be able to shorten the ones you have. > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > > Did a leak down test on the GT6 motor. Retorqued the head to 75 lb ft. > Performed test, and cylinders 1-5 were leaking through their exhaust valves. > All cylinders were also leaking through the head gasket, but ONLY on the left > side (opposite intake/exhaust ports). Pulled the head, and the intake/exhaust > (right) side of the gasket looked fine, but the left side had oil and water on > the gasket, both top & bottom of gasket. > > So, it's got leaky exhaust valves, and head gasket leak. Possibly the head > studs are too long, since the head has been machined who knows how many times? > Perhaps the studs are stretched? Also, one pushrod is a touch shorter than the > rest. I think this can be adjusted for, but it would make the geometry a bit > off, correct? The pushrods are also a slightly different design than on my > spare engine. With the head milled a bit, still use the original length > pushrods? > > This is all puzzling to me and my non-professional but competent mechanic > pal. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 17:14:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D8E2D0489 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s17.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s17.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6FB2D0334 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:14:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS109 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s17.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:17:00 -0700 References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A46DC@TITAN.dwholdings.local> From: Vince G Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:17:00 -0400 To: Edward Dunn FILETIME=[661B6FC0:01CD8185] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd compression? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Race engine, ya sounds like machine shop time to be safe :) Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-23, at 7:03 PM, "Edward Dunn" wrote: > Thanks, we'll check it out more tonight. Will likely order a set of ARP head > studs. Guess I'll take the head back to the cylinder head shop to have them > check the exhaust valves. The engine was rebuilt last winter, and had a very > good race weekend before it failed. Did not retorque after the initial race > weekend. When doing a leak down test, how much time do you use per cylinder? > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 24 10:55:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A422D018B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B716D2D0475 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so2840148vbk.14 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=PnErGQ8y+9ZcDZKd7f8JhtAs1X5hZ9VgCf1QMot+IZM=; b=PQOl6Ssft7dhPhnSPYPLtl7d8ZhkUFwaVSwwODFLyldHxElU9+vCM33OpHHuw3e2wy LsLSe/JsKog3Vxo95NOEQ0OdQ9wR029qG/KMEkVYcPOd+6ejL9r6MNZgZuduxVnPw9d4 YVqHVkC2xTo+/sWd0wmSBvyGv9ODOASXSITaxMS6HJGis7rCd2U9lkb+0gOxoB3uOCEl rQXJUO+W7u3F9uEXGy0ekWioaDKSRcZ7Vmzn1uHr2SKLeXToDPaDNAD6a0lHa5560AW0 SOFfIx/Uv9QBXccXvATFdiNCeeu6nWtmfIj40pbFuckk8lqyNBPWj1hnmVczVu1ubC9E 8pZQ== Received: by 10.220.214.208 with SMTP id hb16mr4288463vcb.56.1345827333228; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.19.148 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Marshall Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:54:52 -0400 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Roebling Rd in 3 weeks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who's going to the VDCA event at Roebling Road in Savannah next month? It's the weekend of September 15th. This one is only a 2 day event but since its usually smaller than most we get tons of track time for practically nothing ($250). Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 12:52:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094672D01AC for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s18.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s18.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD122C0D4D for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W19 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s18.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:51:27 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:51:27 +0000 FILETIME=[CC7BC980:01CD83BB] Subject: [Fot] Going racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who is going to Button Willow for the September event? Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 12:56:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F512D0222 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:56:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076572D019B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:56:29 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=U/NtyjBMiY8EQQ6DWERI3pMmYx9H34XUBXvsEpiU3ob8G5mPU2pAT809v1vpQtVu; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.51] (helo=mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T5i36-0007IC-CU; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:59:04 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:59:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:59:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: Kas Kastner , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Going racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going. Just tuned up the TR3 10 minutes ago. ~Steve Belfer -----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner >Sent: Aug 26, 2012 11:51 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Going racing > >Who is going to Button Willow for the September event? > >Never be beaten by equipment >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 13:41:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5912D0169 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067012C0B7E for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:36:30 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: Kas Kastner , fot Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:32:50 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Going racing Thread-Index: Ac2DvGQDTMfbboNFQaySI/rTcFinuwABLwoQ References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] Going racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We'll be there. At least with my wife's Formula Vee... Don't know if the cranky GT6 will be fixed though. Hopefully. Maybe. Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:51 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Going racing Who is going to Button Willow for the September event? Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 14:15:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84C72D0185 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB792C0CC4 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.131]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7QKDqbU001042 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:13:52 -0400 Received: from [10.67.155.178] (mobile-198-228-199-075.mycingular.net [198.228.199.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 18E85E0000D1 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:13:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Bock Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:13:50 -0400 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346012032; bh=8aFYltQ964f5HElrnZngwhyh5zyZNVOmRbjL5KEqWnA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=sAfLF/+AEC9A64EkSdiNTRIZ3hteCLyMvwIaCQmFORsXrxU1WmnKmoETQagR0XF6M g3HscxFNY89ZhDLg1fV2uCl5R+oYi8i3OLKACI9AhbodzkpsWRrt0GUMNNgPxCpz39 QOBQjO+hRrNw7MM1aYz59tAn+lsyWzQlYYP7i+K0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3383503a837f7654 Subject: [Fot] Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who's going to be there? I will be there crewing for a MGA #275 and a Formula Vee #25. I will have badges and flags. From now on half of the price goes to our FOT website. See you there. Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 16:01:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A828B2D0222 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390482C0D28 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafk30 with SMTP id k30so1679869qaf.14 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=1WKpgswA6KxWoYm/FPvQmT3wdd2YWi+sMF0aGlRwCpU=; b=DxjfVlbXDXa/x7+C6e4ttW8q69c0vCAfi0oeLGpwhQv2m2Oil3EB8CQk1/kZsiLGM9 jkBki+uO6wcqZO+yDcJxalLcsEvlcvn2sidlZY5Y0Czlkcmb/Wc5Ux5BqtiVBXCB4zHG HHH4Jzg5nnFGwR3K1VB4zrxXZu+iVE4E4BwiYP59QeZfJ6+d2ObfazCo/D+WaydcEAMZ GwAwDH5b45T13uXKz/by41YgWxgHPw90ShdVnF/7NnsdQPlbnAFtzPUme9LSq4IcQY3U k0lBpoLaTGifCYUInpxpXN5Ebz6Ci/c0KqfVWqll0PQxGl3Zg3gQ/XB3eoJS7RKUq0C3 8Gsw== Received: by 10.224.185.15 with SMTP id cm15mr20674410qab.8.1346018483696; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gx4sm5004101qab.3.2012.08.26.15.01.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Christopher Bock'" , "'FoTTriumph'" References: <7EA652AA-5CE1-4529-B52A-A8059FE8243A@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:01:20 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2DyAOOoZXgLd2QRCS3KB+Ln54R8wADgUcw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll be there, working in the pit lane or roaming. Frank's MGTD is waiting on a frame/body transplant after multi-roll at NJMSP in July. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 16:03:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C252D0217 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s29.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s29.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A152C0D27 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS101 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s29.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:06:06 -0700 References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A4705@TITAN.dwholdings.local> From: Vince G Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:06:10 -0400 To: Edward Dunn FILETIME=[FDEC8A70:01CD83D6] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Going racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I hope you get it sorted out Ed. Did you narrow it down further? Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-26, at 3:44 PM, "Edward Dunn" wrote: > We'll be there. At least with my wife's Formula Vee... Don't know if the > cranky GT6 will be fixed though. Hopefully. Maybe. > > Ed Dunn > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:51 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Going racing > > Who is going to Button Willow for the September event? > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 19:28:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from icassv.ro (unknown [83.103.150.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745ED2C0CB5 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.icassv.ro (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by icassv.ro (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id l0BHDaAQ091443; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:13:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from infi@hsbc.org) Received: from 197.251.132.43 (SquirrelMail authenticated user galan.sanda) by mail.icassv.ro with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:15:31 -0300 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:15:31 -0300 Subject: URGENT REPLY FROM YOU. 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Sgt Jason Campbell Email:sgtjasoncampbell41@yahoo.com.hk From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 20:25:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029602D016B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 410032C0D44 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3514 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2012 02:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 02:27:13 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=53764 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5p2n-0005Np-Ky for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:27:13 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:27:11 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have any helpful hints on how to break a frozen trunnion bolt (TR-6 trunnion) free? It's the bolt that goes through the lower wishbones. I've been doing heat, BP blaster, and an impact wrench... Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 20:30:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4AE2D0185 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B2412D0154 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6199 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2012 02:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 02:33:19 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=53885 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5p8h-0001Wj-7e for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:33:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:33:17 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <20120827022514.816032D01AC@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net By the way, it's frozen in the trunnion itself. It turns within the wishbones. Tony At 09:27 PM 8/26/2012, Tony Drews wrote: >Anyone have any helpful hints on how to break a frozen trunnion bolt >(TR-6 trunnion) free? It's the bolt that goes through the lower wishbones. > >I've been doing heat, BP blaster, and an impact wrench... > >Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 20:41:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4E32D0208 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B587F2D0154 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 02:38:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.80] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 02:38:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 02:38:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 53401 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 02:38:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346035108; bh=xZCFLNGSyyXwy59IMoBRp+NRviMOKB3K4NJsJwJXjpY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HlRgwdSoQIfWXKM5quIDkCvJvtZbtRjXelm5dYuaEGbaVOx3MD5ZpibfhEbn0sdVEDBzCVlBNXdtwm06l0kzusQbBS35CvmfLhpAuWcUliGuQXILEAOgvi/oMB9dTQHek0KBjauWHYsndn+t1aR5TMPsgs0/DIRUcshqA0mYaxg= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OkVFlvoawE0wQRikQ3Yda5pUO5z5H0nLTwoF7ASHo+6JOj8LSoFC7SzxXRSbm4oyqbkuho2wq18wbk8lhS84ieWtCyhSoWoolNJEjzGAwbK/4TxKQYAxRNO/ESM8uoFEZ7Ac80Nw3XheY79jPKnv+bhQAH8EaEM42FKoCcHOdME=; uPBIS9OEojPuIGceq1H3Ah27ULaIibSzFfHs9B31imMR1uworADjTsHtMuUl 9sCSMP0Z2P1YIt83twgLZTMR7PSlLC0PKvX_kSwJycyOpXNNlKgwSEbRM4D7 BO9tXsmMngwj6OPUkGtiIlwC7vhuG6V3h8zfnhC5Vefj.lFUCI6FhUIKUe6C PFRIyx_9JuEUCMcwOJnqGi53ub_0vNTfZLFNgdqRdJJMoR1RRKngM.72BEab gOaGOVBsVyN0vt0iQ9jkfbMsFlMBaEDMtpY3R.ISgdAR_TXo0YwB87LVsZ_K aIl6HjBfTyHmb_p5K.jnYfmt352d5Xl1gYYfNiIbawW.kCLmjmJG7ejfhrgl WXlPhm_Ah1SzfkcJ1143jOm3fnRGmtJP8vcbsqUpf9a3G6FZHZR3B.3_YalF 765LbZeGpqLr.Np_TCZSWsg8BKOsl2ZlEveR7Uh7NX4iFAPIytXXzx.w6flN Qn5BbZYSG.8MYjRAdDRke7xPeUrijyh1lTR82KQkHlPRitz8Mnt_dokV5lLu M9t_HRCSuGT9QGWmj0B6AlcG6Q3PwKgFOGiQ_4eMOREtTThX4EdKEvEENjn9 1gMjA1VL4Dt9Aioh1cVamF4tPY5s6t7L2eHy0GIB5WqbFMdFb4uSiA1hPaSL af7cePStl9rA- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:38:28 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: fot@autox.team.net, Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony: That is very common. The bolt rusts to the tubes inside the top-hat. The bolt turns, but you can't pull it out because the OD of the tube is bigger than the hole in the trunnion. If you can't PB Blaster it and then press out in a press you'll need to cut the bolt head and nut off. If you damage the trunnion let me know which side it is R/H or L/H and I'll send you a good one. -Ed- --- On Sun, 8/26/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 9:33 PM By the way, it's frozen in the trunnion itself. It turns within the wishbones. Tony At 09:27 PM 8/26/2012, Tony Drews wrote: >Anyone have any helpful hints on how to break a frozen trunnion bolt >(TR-6 trunnion) free? It's the bolt that goes through the lower wishbones. > >I've been doing heat, BP blaster, and an impact wrench... > >Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 20:45:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BC62C0D08 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B542C0C08 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBD32E0A0 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:49:49 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20120827022516.B0C302D01AC@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony Drews wrote: > Anyone have any helpful hints on how to break a frozen trunnion bolt > (TR-6 trunnion) free? It's the bolt that goes through the lower > wishbones. I've always ended up using a die grinder with cut off wheel to free the trunnion from the wishbones, then replacing the trunnion if the rusted bolt and sleeve ovaled it out. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 21:44:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143BE2C0CAF for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294B12D016B for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.193]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7R3dGei011265; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:39:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-75-3-200-245.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net [75.3.200.245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 69AA1E0000D6; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:39:16 -0400 (EDT) References: From: chasgee@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:39:14 -0700 To: Kas Kastner x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346038756; bh=sPYj2WiCcJLWM9D+Ls4swYgUAY5Mcv4OQNtXDRWxy6o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=mI4OsVo+GTGFnM/XcoJ7lKwyUoKdGD9bA/Q4pvkO/WAzru/4A92e3AEHlVCapdWWB 9cmM7MY1r9aJBs4g0tnKUVBHQhmZk8VISoB9aNo4d/JGfnG1hhdgFuVhoPrVdMh1bU jh0MPdnUZaA/fo29/sA0fr/z6KlUZ71pANVJ08VM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c1503aebe429f7 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Going racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to make it. It's going to be close. Chuck On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Who is going to Button Willow for the September event? > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 07:34:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797392C0CB2 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4999F2C0CA3 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7RDVRgQ011986; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:31:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Clark W. Nicholls" References: <7EA652AA-5CE1-4529-B52A-A8059FE8243A@aol.com> <004801cd83d6$53bd0930$fb371b90$@com> Cc: 'FoTTriumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > I'll be there, working in the pit lane or roaming. > Frank's MGTD is waiting on a frame/body transplant after multi-roll at NJMSP > in July. I'll be there, mostly roaming or spectating from the hill at the esses. We have four or five Triumphs caravanning from Central MA first thing SAT, and one of our members camps at the climbing turn every year... > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 08:21:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943122D0168 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5272C0D1B for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted for from ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:22 -0400 Received: from d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (9.56.250.166) by e9.ny.us.ibm.com (192.168.1.109) with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:21 -0400 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A12038C804D for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id q7REHKak149474 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:20 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id q7REHK6R018817 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:20 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id q7REHHok018423 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:18 -0400 References: To: fot@autox.team.net From: George Harmuth Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:17:14 -0400 ZX853HP5|January 12, 2012) at 08/27/2012 10:17:17 x-cbid: 12082714-7182-0000-0000-00000266E268 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 69, Issue 26- Limerock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll be racing the Spitfire at Limerock, hopefully with the new engine, if it's back from the shop in time (like tomorrow). Had a rebuild of my spare motor, with some pointers I picked up at the Mitty. The shop found scoring on the crank from a failed spring shim. I had a spare crank waiting for just such an emergency. Got the engine back last week, went to swap it yesterday and forgot that my flywheel and cranks have been drilled out to use 7/16 ARP bolts, and this one wasn't. Shop is making a fixture to drill crank in block. Several Plan B's, all of then involve a late night or 2 before Thursday. I'm also doing the 4PM Thursday race car parade from the track to Lakeville. The track is still looking for vintage cars to accompany the race cars into town, if you're interested contact Limerock. 63 Spit G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 08:37:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFC92D0206 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118432D017F for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so3169571qcs.14 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:34:36 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=PiTDNChws8k/sSCgibWkSLdJ2vUgum7UlfpuLk2x0lU=; b=CYwEw0szvASU9h6pbEJ8RT0PXNL4rpnm1ocMDty4zXHnBGdjhfzmbNsLXEyyGg40YN cg8SJ9CYciEckUV3enR2BoOtHVou4TI9N4Snt8uS217MVowlP2J9mI4ABkmHi60g5q5J I/jntwrL0Zt33lBeQqRM6S5Ob0mxW8MvtUFJaA17KuvnL1o03xUe/obmu5BLzWZMC4OJ TcIYpW6QgqVmDP1hvEmHeBZ0qUSUojkesULIRleHK2Nv5wD5aA9gE9kmdQNkEizoT/r0 /tpPcd3Ult9J+HcQyDqTZ+D0hunjs9j/geWDKkrpJuf0IbT/OiDXq9ENdB5tEAAcz+ZP vNnw== Received: by 10.224.70.209 with SMTP id e17mr23987415qaj.38.1346078075952; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g13sm518134qah.5.2012.08.27.07.34.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , References: <20120827022516.B0C302D01AC@autox.team.net> <503AE04D.7020808@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:34:32 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2D/mtgXUuACBacQVCVzYDWXjm+8QAYiOHA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hate to say it but this is a serious lack of preventive maintenance! All too common but shouldn't be on a race car! Cover the new bolt and bushing sleeve with grease on re-assembly! Yikes! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 12:36:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6793C2D0223 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B212C0D43 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.77.229]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 914DB5D80A2 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:19:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:19:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire on CL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://hiltonhead.craigslist.org/cto/3190322843.html Charly _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 17:04:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED0E2D020E for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DA17A2C0C15 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.229] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2012 22:40:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 74105 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2012 22:40:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346107238; bh=7TwekN2LqV5t9MpTwK624OH0aGCKBwmX4F/ONxxrhek=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d+HhnytS4iUwtbVhBcJbMHLIrjFhIPeuw5bUbPPcBz1Od5kwtEffYEMpE/xE5OuZnEhSqqRMcTbB9YxCdHUiD5X3c6B01j41DwCLiZFj7hs1wukSk7/0NjPB0siWgo1FKmXQzKpK90PDzItflN5Wqh0uejLE7nTOjZypWfirit8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IQWOBMU+bx51ivfRZNayfFoN9dnyNWUoFsJzW/lzj3NsKuiV2iB983LPWdofmF8+dUA6clMy5u/hvBx+YI0v2dcy36nid8Fy3d4pnRE4dL+RPcpwn0r9Blgo8GMKKf6lC5HdKzkCiUknCweOvGTvAAB5UHu/ht6Os07Xp0keSAY=; AfZXTz9FltAMXbP.XpRFDNmJ6h9xZ5zKap6w98UGtR.jwCJHEdgdFtSJNt5S r66P6FRBfX4NZ.iDadUtVWPh.DNd9eT1bHcB5rM_laO58ubypSQTOCFBbHlE vCYjB7VHi89pO.SZGWppFfx4_0VB_YiMBHucBRbzkv8HMH8vNZhLhRc1g3yf aHuImj6J3314qiEqhm4e8eJxFRFZsnyAPqKh_7Ewu0P0u5Q52KPz5hSGYybU WnmDr2oAR9CLFPzHpp0Gep7dOs6_k5_1m5.3OZW08AuQe8awHDoOmz4w.UA5 z2GMZ8maEVSUrajfXzb7Loh7LTYWroiqoVpTv.IUOhM2uX7BVr.3PLB7HaQn 7sb_0arWOOQkY3R7zEYcHwQBsY2hZqFczXu.LIQw7pT82X6mptMlbSbHhGyl ZjLgfk7TtUxGsjDl8zTEafuRE Received: from [99.71.100.143] by web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:40:38 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Morter To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch disc diameter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TR Amigos I have a bunch of TR clutch discs that are 9-1/8" in dia. The one I need is 8-1/2" dia. What is the application for the 8-1/2" disc? Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 27 17:05:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A8B2D029F for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A48902D01AE for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20696 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2012 15:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 15:34:11 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=58439 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T61KM-00022s-O5; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:34:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:34:08 -0500 To: "Clark W. Nicholls" , From: Tony Drews References: <20120827022516.B0C302D01AC@autox.team.net> <503AE04D.7020808@bradakis.com> <005d01cd8461$1359f890$3a0de9b0$@com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Frozen trunnion bolt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Was not on MY race car, but was hoping to have it there soon. Is in the bits of "new to me" suspension parts that are / were going on the car. Bolt will have anti-seize on it when it goes in my car. Tony At 09:34 AM 8/27/2012, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Hate to say it but this is a serious lack of preventive maintenance! >All too common but shouldn't be on a race car! >Cover the new bolt and bushing sleeve with grease on re-assembly! >Yikes! > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) >and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner >"Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 13:12:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9A42D02C2 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dieselperformanceparts.com (mail.dieselperformanceparts.com [173.221.146.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256BE2D0283 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b]) by DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b%10]) with mapi; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:13:33 -0500 From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:13:32 -0500 Thread-Topic: GT6 Rotoflex Parts Needed Thread-Index: Ac2FUTbT5ds9w4foSv6FsXIFrMUi8g== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rotoflex Parts Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey members, I need a pair (left and right) of rear wheel hubs for a Rotoflex GT6 as well as the inner rear radius arm mounts/stud. The ones that go thru/connects together bottom of the upright and lower control arm and provides a mount for the radius arm as it goes toward the bodies radius arm mount. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 17:34:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126FF2C0D03 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B56542C0D4F for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:29:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 23:32:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 23:32:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 23:32:11 -0000 f753VNyjPgqDrDlzzs_86bVHTIW4YSwXeFodNE74cD0GEl_yegL_8ujFkzKC L7CCG9WMzvk.JoiLZd5HuHuO3pKRT.7ErODDzUnvD8wah85bo4.D_5DGK065 v9kXe6e1tu_4lbSBglbBtbvO.UsYtsHo073g7QEUE8bkYyl0nrvWLEGeO_oF UlR.upjrUfzBT3GjhjQyeD4AWZfkqz9S5BOaLxx6Dx6hsap55bgvuTLM7Eqd gpuEUNxJMlRO.dkwkp9_7dhg.nWSd1FGStclwu7rnwZNjTJt_A7Fuz78Kw4q pNwj24jcVEqTADaNN8evCsLGvU29xzg0mVZKBN05gAAcfywxiOfir5t.aD2u wuRtkZBHEWAKJaQFA3tZ2VbUetOGnFv0yj7EpD224zfza9ZrSVyCZSdtajQC fg.s.rNDMJbr6wFwVy_s- Received: from [10.71.2.251] (cartravel@12.52.240.2 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 16:32:10 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:32:15 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is there an electronic copy of the Z-S needle specs available? I know they are tabulated in the Haynes manual, but an electronic copy would be more useful. I also understand that SU needles can be used in Z-S carbs. I'm looking for something similar to the SU needle information on the web, so I don't have to type a bunch of numbers into the computer. I'll use SU needles if necessary, but would like to see (in an easy to compare form) what is available for the Z-S carbs. Thanks, Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 17:52:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A335F2D02C5 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s36.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s36.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DD02D0266 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS78 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s36.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:55:06 -0700 References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> From: Vince G Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:55:06 -0400 To: Larry Young FILETIME=[8C712F10:01CD8578] Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I take it you mean Zenith Stromberg. What carbs are you dealing with? I just spent much research and time analyzing zenith needle charts to come up with something for the cd150s in my GT6 racers as it was starving for fuel. First race event starts Thursday so i can get right down to fine tuning. The needle I chose made a big difference in the brief test run I did last week. My set up is fairly mild with a fast road cam 290 duration and about 10:1 compression with better breathing intake and exhaust. I'll send you the charts and the little spread sheet I set up that compares needle profiles if you want it. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-28, at 7:37 PM, "Larry Young" wrote: > Is there an electronic copy of the Z-S needle specs available? I know they are tabulated in the Haynes manual, but an electronic copy would be more useful. I also understand that SU needles can be used in Z-S carbs. I'm looking for something similar to the SU needle information on the web, so I don't have to type a bunch of numbers into the computer. I'll use SU needles if necessary, but would like to see (in an easy to compare form) what is available for the Z-S carbs. > Thanks, > Larry > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 28 18:26:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147062D0308 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23AA2D02CA for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:26:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4ED5C3800006E; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msb005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.147]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 25DE8E00008E; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> To: cartravel@pobox.com, FOT@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 173.215.5.155 by webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:52 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346200132; bh=jeRhtaGIGXM9jbRA+Y6UE+LppEd/SuKxeILry/CoOwE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DBp4TTZlj6lw8/K0lcbcr/4O0UgwZToEBg18QKvIw4ASdWY35D7nn++p52TmPrNCS X7WdvEXtBPhbF57WSTiLAtJaXGGnGmgdww0yZA+7sl6/EF1y6x7i6PKm9ICt6NTcBO jAaEQRQWJxtIeWYjBDlVs5SZI9BR2/3kv6i1/588= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949503d62441290 Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We use SU NEEDLES on our Strombergs....shim stock is required to locate needle and to center it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young To: FOT Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2012 6:37 pm Subject: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Is there an electronic copy of the Z-S needle specs available? I know they are tabulated in the Haynes manual, but an electronic copy would be more useful. I also understand that SU needles can be used in Z-S carbs. I'm looking for something similar to the SU needle information on the web, so I don't have to type a bunch of numbers into the computer. I'll use SU needles if necessary, but would like to see (in an easy to compare form) what is available for the Z-S carbs. Thanks, Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 05:15:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF132D02C4 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s20.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s20.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.223]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960E82D0192 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS150 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s20.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:14:42 -0700 References: From: Vince G Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:14:42 -0400 To: Larry Young FILETIME=[7D158E80:01CD85D7] Cc: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: CD150 Adjustable Needle Comparisons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Larry here's my comparison spreadsheet. I'm running the B5CE needle this weekend and will let you know how they perform. Ill send you the complete Zenith chart as well when I can. Cheers Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Garrett, Vince" > Date: 15 August, 2012 11:29:38 AM EDT > To: > Subject: CD150 Adjustable Needle Comparisons > > > GT6+, Stromberg CD150 Adjustable Needle Comparison Chart > These and other needles available through Rimmer. The Rimmer MK3 Upgrade is their suggestion when K&N's and Tubular Exhaust is fitted > Adjusted Richer > My Pick/Richer > My Pick Adjusted Richer > RIMMER MK3 Upgrade > RIMMER MK3 Adjusted Richer > Stock B5AJ > B5AJ+1/8" > B5CE > DIFF > B5CE+1/8" > DIFF > B5BU > B5BU+1/8" > DIFF > 0.0855 > 0.0843 > 0.0012 > 0.0880 > -0.0025 > 0.0845 > 0.0010 > 0.0881 > -0.0026 > 0.0853 > 0.0002 > 0.0843 > 0.0829 > 0.0014 > 0.0845 > -0.0002 > 0.0817 > 0.0026 > 0.0853 > -0.0010 > 0.0830 > 0.0013 > 0.0829 > 0.0800 > 0.0029 > 0.0817 > 0.0012 > 0.0797 > 0.0032 > 0.0830 > -0.0001 > 0.0804 > 0.0025 > 0.0800 > 0.0766 > 0.0034 > 0.0797 > 0.0003 > 0.0770 > 0.0030 > 0.0804 > -0.0004 > 0.0783 > 0.0017 > 0.0766 > 0.0737 > 0.0029 > 0.0770 > -0.0004 > 0.0739 > 0.0027 > 0.0783 > -0.0017 > 0.0755 > 0.0011 > 0.0737 > 0.0709 > 0.0028 > 0.0739 > -0.0002 > 0.0698 > 0.0039 > 0.0755 > -0.0018 > 0.0725 > 0.0012 > 0.0709 > 0.0683 > 0.0026 > 0.0698 > 0.0011 > 0.0651 > 0.0058 > 0.0725 > -0.0016 > 0.0696 > 0.0013 > 0.0683 > 0.0671 > 0.0012 > 0.0651 > 0.0032 > 0.0605 > 0.0078 > 0.0696 > -0.0013 > 0.0678 > 0.0005 > 0.0671 > 0.0657 > 0.0014 > 0.0605 > 0.0066 > 0.0560 > 0.0111 > 0.0678 > -0.0007 > 0.0665 > 0.0006 > 0.0657 > 0.0644 > 0.0013 > 0.0560 > 0.0097 > 0.0510 > 0.0147 > 0.0665 > -0.0008 > 0.0552 > 0.0105 > 0.0644 > 0.0635 > 0.0009 > 0.0510 > 0.0134 > 0.0510 > 0.0134 > 0.0552 > 0.0092 > 0.0541 > 0.0103 > 0.0635 > 0.0635 > 0.0000 > 0.0510 > 0.0125 > 0.0510 > 0.0125 > 0.0541 > 0.0094 > 0.0540 > 0.0095 > 0.0635 > 0.0635 > 0.0000 > 0.0510 > 0.0125 > 0.0510 > 0.0125 > 0.0540 > 0.0095 > 0.0540 > 0.0095 > > > Vince Garrett > Project Coordinator b Technology > Information Technology Services > Simcoe County District School Board > (705) 734-6363 Ext: 11404 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 16:31:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4567F2D02EE for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8334D2D02EA for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7TMXsdP019904; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:33:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Larry Young References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> Cc: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I found a resource for this - if you google "stromberg-needles.xls", you'll get a hit that will take you to lotuselan.net. Download the spreadsheet and have at it. You can do side-by-side comparisons of any two Zenith Stromberg needles. To Joe A's comment about using the SU .100 needles or the .090 needles with shim stock, you can use the ZS needle profiles to compare to the SU needles if you want. Note: I make absolutely no claim as to whether the numbers on this chart are correct, but in the little research I've done on the subject, the numbers look pretty close indeed. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 16:31:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7392D032F for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DD732D02FB for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm27.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 22:34:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 22:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 88731 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2012 22:34:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346279644; bh=Mvfpi2wy082nWOEBljIlNwX9z6GdUH/UiQYVRo2KpbY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BUf4alCg2jzMrVf55RMkYFNlPikua+4nC24gPCwItvkcAsgaNoZA5KB6No3INfMFjZ439DiaChP+jdHtKJOinRQ8c6C87UDEcA3cOVB8JllwSEsXZpgjn0ng5675c7q+696x2i+8ayLm54kUGVnZV2QTQDdHXxveL1edroKqHKw= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GHlogRk7gpq6UMY2N1EhBnYCut/Nm8puCOhGcoKL1LtAWDJh10pgEcUc+fe4iFgU4FdFukCLHjK7bzEHBXlCJhbzOwgyDwyNKVoVqp2xhLQNLncg1VQEACWpW1jcbzy3lYVRGEQiAoxfAbpy3+JuVm02NHeimct3v7OEeVSprIM=; x3O5wrYysco_AlEj4Vocnq5ApND3FHI6K6jgRJg0XAn2sh5SUNW5dxjunkpI IP_4X0TBi.5jAvwQ1UFfXqIv.emUVRLONAswn9aMuYkPHuDRb5u77XyZTGpm S29PUw_pl_K3MEBFPQF5kZCqryOkdGtdTlwXqddoYsOFEzUIKL8BaEA5zHsT flkG8L3K5zy.KC6b8EVdqju2ghOsgJ2Wz2wH2BxF1b3AmWTRQ3dO8Sa5gc36 yBoIePI3p.tjLXL7F.CvtUvZsv79tFx6wWQQQ..Rsbu8dLe.rtt2Qc.qC8l0 Mru40z65mq1t.LWQIJIk0BnizVCpXdj1wcUFC2M9boyvpb3Qe_gUrJWoIcVc ksGG_FcQTAS20SKwjMSePi1QVKhjZM3lRrDmTMtexNabJevIbj2.AUKkIJkZ v.p_uMVH8Ev2V7rD2EWg- Received: from [24.27.27.76] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:34:04 PDT Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] GT6 rebuild ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm getting my mind (and wallet) around the idea of starting to rebuild an engine for my GT6.. one of my CVAR guys suggests I use a TR6 engine this time... I'm not so sure I want to 'cheat' ... I talked to Ted @ TSI earlier this year, I'm sure he thinks I'm a flake, cause I haven't pulled the trigger to get started on a new one... question is... are there products out there specifically for the GT6 like forged rods and pistons? I found Wishbone Classics that I think have the rods for $1295... but the pistons on their site show TR6 pistons only... does the (dumb question) TR6 and the GT6 share the same piston? I thought all along the displacement difference in the two was the longer stroke on the TR6.... Any leads on a one stop shop for both? Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:04:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9D72D026B for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B59C2D0186 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:04:15 -0600 (MDT) a=am1cjL7qhai8SD/VRZKIvA==:17 a=OFhLFLKpOosA:10 a=SYVtqNYTQWwA:10 a=Tw3xVl_PBK0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=_k0OA9QzaKMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=qiwXJQ79jG_-vJhRuqgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ICmPvxCz4bEPHtbNp8sA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=am1cjL7qhai8SD/VRZKIvA==:117 Received: from [72.189.92.160] ([72.189.92.160:49170] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 60/43-13948-190AE305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:06:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:06:23 -0400 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1346279644.84708.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rebuild ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nothing sounds like a GT6 engine at full song. TR6 motor would be blasphemy. Don't do it!! Venolia can make the pistons to your spec and I'm sure Carillo can supply rods ,too. Ric Cline is the key to building a really good GT6 motor (sorry, I know I have probably said this too many times). Bob On 8/29/12 6:34 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm getting my mind (and wallet) around the idea of starting to rebuild an > engine for my GT6.. one of my CVAR guys suggests I use a TR6 engine this time... > I'm not so sure I want to 'cheat' ... I talked to Ted @ TSI earlier this year, > I'm sure he thinks I'm a flake, cause I haven't pulled the trigger to get > started on a new one... question is... are there products out there > specifically for the GT6 like forged rods and pistons? I found Wishbone Classics > that I think have the rods for $1295... but the pistons on their site show TR6 > pistons only... does the (dumb question) TR6 and the GT6 share the same > piston? I thought all along the displacement difference in the two was the > longer stroke on the TR6.... > Any leads on a one stop shop for both? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:14:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C952D02FF for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:14:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC122D02E5 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafk30 with SMTP id k30so4546443qaf.14 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=tsJysytmfFBp6I2rBp2ogR5cpxXLY/QHASj2FMC0gvE=; b=Nz/sMNqBg0bQrDY69krBNc1S4FKdM9PVVZ8VkyIMENiS0Q4rNP9e14qC4F2e0Eqlfv 3b0IrDCihp7kDCszFEHMMq1+AEIkgpsTXpMYWEPAXGDBoXBQcgRJUnGzDlIHiABTsKYG Kjk8gOWeMOO0c96Ct4kaZFHOCOXDgyswTO+yiNUXX88OuE0BEQd5VLYDsAW8SkkNc1Df UAc3UyqlntVFHc0uYFJOfPK9IPjk/zjL+aiwYoS68K6oX8zntfTJojnFJ5fVn6DkUQRj jbdz494C45ZW/PIuyYyUmvbt3cyReTTE6Wx/tgeX20KcktxVD5zIEsFfPGuaxilr5QwK 6lcg== Received: by 10.229.137.21 with SMTP id u21mr1818700qct.142.1346282067520; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <1346279644.84708.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:14:27 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rebuild ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are many things that make sense to swap out of a GT6. In my opinion... the motor is NOT one of them. All those trick parts you speak of are available but I cannot comment on what's best out there. Scott J. and I seem to do just fine with pretty basic stuff that has more less been (motor wise) raced for 40 years...in the group 44 cars, in Kas's car's. Steve has taken it beyond with his car (check out his pistons on his photo site) and I'm sure he is faster. Take it slow you can always add stuff as you rebuild again. Ted would be a great choice to get you going quick enough (and give you a solid foundation for development) Maybe I'm in the minority but you realy don't have to get so nutty with all that expensive stuff for the first build. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm getting my mind (and wallet) around the idea of starting to rebuild an > engine for my GT6.. one of my CVAR guys suggests I use a TR6 engine this > time... > I'm not so sure I want to 'cheat' ... I talked to Ted @ TSI earlier this > year, > I'm sure he thinks I'm a flake, cause I haven't pulled the trigger to get > started on a new one... question is... are there products out there > specifically for the GT6 like forged rods and pistons? I found Wishbone > Classics > that I think have the rods for $1295... but the pistons on their site show > TR6 > pistons only... does the (dumb question) TR6 and the GT6 share the same > piston? I thought all along the displacement difference in the two was the > longer stroke on the TR6.... > Any leads on a one stop shop for both? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:21:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835762D0335 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 55AC82D0288 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 23:24:08 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.112] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 23:24:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2012 23:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4303 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2012 23:24:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346282648; bh=/Drk4gk+Wj1Pe0aUFRQzE9k9n/Y56wU/uVV0k2yT1Kk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=Es7d+X9Bxxcoe5qb7Ao+oluGcaCokTS2+ZsfEYq3lM1sk4mK0Q3JVCJ9Ix1kx44wZXrmrnMn/fyK7eUTjbEZfVbB7BMybRlkGZ3QPN+nsQnEXleQKFSSiSO78PBdZrSWn4M8daeFCR5fq8ionZjvMgeY/ZpOHxVPHFGYt9nHHmI= gZw.UCl14dTMkdb5x.WsZ0kes_NGK5VgI82SXlIgL35hgZ0WQV666sBmb023 V92z8DzaLkNkcgHlaJdYoTPqtzAJKqWJ0LUqS_EDVs231e4petdmeGMtEPph ty9q1yuEAIDcgGovt01aR6pWf1s.KlesA.rl5_FJfBB908rErdTpTrDb9Qxs ePiPI053sMPSI0CeSeFHS756qL.kSbGc4A3SMMXJalnT5G_7ysbC0fd4NQ4E FK7JrB2idPf7ibAxnQJS05Vrrr9BwqtbWboXHlIWtwumKlluTsww2QkcxxvL PkRMxouCDJgHUT88COxKW.4W9VhoYR37suHs7vPYwo_xPOmRZseod.QUPrM0 3RnZXmSgb88m2hC7qTAkWROyc9BhzuGrHTcTtka2N7d9uJpBFZ7dkj7bAq.z dFC8- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@98.66.162.144 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2012 23:24:08 +0000 UTC From: "Richard Taylor" To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:24:16 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2F2Askj+UUuQkGQRawoPL9lwprRgAYMbEA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist Pin / Piston Slap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net At Road Atlanta, I had #4 exhaust valve bond to its bronze sleeve. The head has new valves and guides and is back on the engine. Now, at an idle, there is a wristpin (or piston slap) apparently damage caused when the two elements united and was unlocked by the piston. Above 1250 RPMs, it goes away. My thought is to simply put in a new piston, rings, wristpin and connecting rod. If it is that simple, where can I order just one 89MM piston/wrist pin/connecting rod? Richard Taylor TR-4 #194 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:35:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1802D02FF for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:35:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s28.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s28.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0222D0186 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W36 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s28.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:38:33 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: richard lang , Larry Young Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:38:33 +0000 References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, FILETIME=[672BD580:01CD863F] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:33:54 -0400 > From: lang@isis.mit.edu > To: cartravel@pobox.com > CC: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > Hi, > > I found a resource for this - if you google "stromberg-needles.xls", > you'll get a hit that will take you to lotuselan.net. Download the > spreadsheet and have at it. You can do side-by-side comparisons of any two > Zenith Stromberg needles. > > To Joe A's comment about using the SU .100 needles or the .090 needles > with shim stock, you can use the ZS needle profiles to compare to the SU > needles if you want. > > Note: I make absolutely no claim as to whether the numbers on this chart > are correct, but in the little research I've done on the subject, the > numbers look pretty close indeed. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:36:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BEA2D0311 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDBC2D0186 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A8282BA80244; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:39:20 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Richard Taylor'" , References: <00b801cd863d$68d85ef0$3a891cd0$@net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:39:18 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2F2Askj+UUuQkGQRawoPL9lwprRgAYMbEAAAGUzyA= Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist Pin / Piston Slap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just out of curiosity (and not to start another thread on valve guide clearance:)) what clearance were you running with the bronze guides? Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:24 PM To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist Pin / Piston Slap At Road Atlanta, I had #4 exhaust valve bond to its bronze sleeve. The head has new valves and guides and is back on the engine. Now, at an idle, there is a wristpin (or piston slap) apparently damage caused when the two elements united and was unlocked by the piston. Above 1250 RPMs, it goes away. My thought is to simply put in a new piston, rings, wristpin and connecting rod. If it is that simple, where can I order just one 89MM piston/wrist pin/connecting rod? Richard Taylor TR-4 #194 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 18:54:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F45D2D0326 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710E82D02E5 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so2836079obh.14 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:57:15 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=lilNvT4ftcGeadQh/kSDlxcxCM9vFFuxAMbzsKZKpmg=; b=erxchTDoHYwzLyNeNYwSrBanhTEGeN1T5vA2sVSUHODURPH8zpT82o/w+PbJplyllM e6kAzDAofkE5/0PeRNozEWY+6Jqct7U5J2Z+vLPNFAOUsGarpdGOivha4EE4aoIq4xFB U0/7kQjIdn3YTK6Aj4B7z2/2CfAHNrvu6uQ/X7KG/EAJRiDUI2OwEh3iIU75fGQovpA1 Rr5iR8SiXmMtKjayplh2C3xnngNCapuu+wGkIv5Uqg4Z8uYbtNh2WUqWHt5V0UJbmwHK V6t3nfaYn0Rbgo+ZipBVL+I/aIFz0lvKPgfSwj+qBoB/Xj0mCtUBH4xPOgas5KVOkMvN 1P9g== Received: by 10.60.11.34 with SMTP id n2mr2052223oeb.18.1346288235081; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l10sm121591oeb.13.2012.08.29.17.57.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:56:19 -0500 References: <1346279644.84708.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: " of" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rebuild ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bobby, How does $710 for a set of forged, shot-peened 4340 H-beam connecting rods sound? http://www.maxspeedingrods-store.com/Triumph-Spitfire-1500late-1300GT6-TR6-Co nrods-6-pieces-CR-TRI-TR6.htm Duncan On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I found Wishbone Classics > that I think have the rods for $1295... but the pistons on their site show TR6 > pistons only... does the (dumb question) TR6 and the GT6 share the same > piston? I thought all along the displacement difference in the two was the > longer stroke on the TR6.... > Any leads on a one stop shop for both? > > Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 19:04:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDB22C0B2F for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s6.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s6.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.209]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E12B2C037D for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS522 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s6.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:06:54 -0700 References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> From: Vince G Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:06:53 -0400 To: Kas Kastner FILETIME=[BE909CF0:01CD864B] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Cool thanks Kas. I may have to take a look.... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-29, at 7:39 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a chart of > the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. These are > STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way that is .006" shim > stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:33:54 -0400 >> From: lang@isis.mit.edu >> To: cartravel@pobox.com >> CC: FOT@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs >> >> Hi, >> >> I found a resource for this - if you google "stromberg-needles.xls", >> you'll get a hit that will take you to lotuselan.net. Download the >> spreadsheet and have at it. You can do side-by-side comparisons of any two >> Zenith Stromberg needles. >> >> To Joe A's comment about using the SU .100 needles or the .090 needles >> with shim stock, you can use the ZS needle profiles to compare to the SU >> needles if you want. >> >> Note: I make absolutely no claim as to whether the numbers on this chart >> are correct, but in the little research I've done on the subject, the >> numbers look pretty close indeed. >> >> Regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >> Former NER Solo Chair | >> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 08:26:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1A12D031B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EBB2D02FC for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:26:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.77.229]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DA875D8086; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:29:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Duncan Charlton" , "Bobby Whitehead" References: <1346279644.84708.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:29:00 -0700 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rebuild ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have these in my TR6 motor and so far I have no complaints. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rebuild ... > Hi Bobby, > > How does $710 for a set of forged, shot-peened 4340 H-beam connecting rods > sound? > > http://www.maxspeedingrods-store.com/Triumph-Spitfire-1500late-1300GT6-TR6-Co > nrods-6-pieces-CR-TRI-TR6.htm > > Duncan > > > On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I found Wishbone Classics >> that I think have the rods for $1295... but the pistons on their site >> show > TR6 >> pistons only... does the (dumb question) TR6 and the GT6 share the same >> piston? I thought all along the displacement difference in the two was >> the >> longer stroke on the TR6.... >> Any leads on a one stop shop for both? >> >> Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 11:46:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71112D0347 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A61B42D02FD for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 17:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.112] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 17:49:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 17:49:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 95931 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 17:49:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346348944; bh=LkE0H6Mcv8Ha333DPWvlQH1dNHaezsDjbEGR6KMEL8E=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=tNgsMRVehgmPjJ3ijS1p7zK+YRq1gyAQkPHsKGO4oK/wmiEBJg3c7ARyzp7KovlD2xkQEDH4w5oXiMPx9CXFWehoVoF6cUN2IQpHQq0GaTQBMpojabK3CZPT8st6+UyyWE/p3fiVZe9x6dQfaHMXROwDJj5hOMikZHYVVOxBiYM= ZzeWlX7fF5Fkb1zKjwV44P_3yxRRpHLhxCrAS666AfYMZMZEGcF.3pvHIRMs LVYU3cR2kyzgbUA89bYl75hdnNP9g30T9q0kZnVDmxqnk6Cs4Pg0BM7bfkX3 ZAAtVw4aURPdozcdW9m152cw9fNAudIxr1Ncu4JGLVFQAiipxvnRrPYjHrK9 vNyBP6GF5enWLjHIOI6fKPLkyc.peRVrXMLC1sutQ3kD5vhD3Nli3e8tzBKC Y.Fy2cePIackj5QnG2.czjHEadoPQcXZA0hhRtnxCBIvYLLhHa0JcyUMwOQA BCuj68Msmx33ndxAJMCNVJeJh9UCefpAdVB.JqIh36qAZe9SWT6PRiTkHkch d7HhFikMpW37Ezngfhk40gFMc08NPKg1vt.41wivzHqSD2HhnCXeSm1MK.Re iYHtl5TEuvzQ0IQ5tL0EFysHoXMr3B4lX9fDGRnSdGZ8DJcITEIEZQY1mxIB bPf2H Received: from richardiipc (tarch@98.66.162.144 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 10:49:04 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'Tim Murphy'" , References: <00b801cd863d$68d85ef0$3a891cd0$@net> <000301cd863f$822fe150$868fa3f0$@com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:49:09 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2F2Askj+UUuQkGQRawoPL9lwprRgAYMbEAAAGUzyAAJWslcA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist Pin / Piston Slap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't ask about the tolerances. I simply trusted the machinist. Because of personal recommendations, I took the head to Automotive Precision Machinery in Atlanta. The bill was about $600 for re-surfacing the head and 3 angle and assembly. This did not include parts. Upon disassembly, I found the valve seats single faced. They had the crankshaft nitrited and upon assembly I found it not true. I took it back and they heated it and bent it back to what seemed like perfect to me. I don't know if that's normal but watching your crankshaft visibly bent is like watching sausage being made....or worse, watching an abnormal sex act. I would not recommend them to others. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph@fastbytes.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:39 PM To: 'Richard Taylor'; FOT@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Wrist Pin / Piston Slap Just out of curiosity (and not to start another thread on valve guide clearance:)) what clearance were you running with the bronze guides? Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:24 PM To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist Pin / Piston Slap At Road Atlanta, I had #4 exhaust valve bond to its bronze sleeve. The head has new valves and guides and is back on the engine. Now, at an idle, there is a wristpin (or piston slap) apparently damage caused when the two elements united and was unlocked by the piston. Above 1250 RPMs, it goes away. My thought is to simply put in a new piston, rings, wristpin and connecting rod. If it is that simple, where can I order just one 89MM piston/wrist pin/connecting rod? Richard Taylor TR-4 #194 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 14:21:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466432D032D for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 81AC22C0CA5 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 20:24:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.43] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 20:24:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 20:24:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346358244; bh=I5dYPqAcULZmqQHcauqNzndzGrg6VvniDJl+L9zIpUY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gOd/ti1ZGt/6VZqIm0biBP8dZaliWLvNzTNr2p9ESMPNX90mNCUdFnDQZY4XM6FQeVBUoNFy9P+u76aIDrG6i+ZEn3r33hEkmSi4yPh+RtEk9n3GEHpnaBjaQwHQG/J8VdcR3Mz3Qjeop0BnQcVeyiVjslW4dS6iJqihC98fB1Q= z5q5kK9G5zPWNZ48RVH_J_eYDcVsHyJe5IXpfSgdlLEhqX1jebNwOTQ_TEf. J.WQOfN0zWDh2rhOGQGUmaIc.CtHSG.kdfKPp3XtguuqVkLcPwlKE4oze9Un qGNWi4km_bezc6IDYE0YGYwo8mgRgSyP4lWkJ.NYZb734Y.zCyydSTk2up2v e57W89lfOorqKI67HcJOUzptTCeDRdXs09DXLlN5LyhIE0oCjl_WzGltqfI6 R99t4sX3wMxL6vBOu.MIqc8LkaTnSz_MEVtlBT913qHP7OuPviuBIbwJ9q4E DyaPZ_73MRuwuIIKikiX0JBvE3ivR53H7vIjk6S103ug_zcK5JK1crFXF5Tc iq7HMbpvEAmn4UKQKWxH7ES0JBUwVpJzfijkzNy.gSO.xUy0cE7Z8EZiM1oD hcPoZ Received: from [192.168.2.2] (dmitchel@68.248.73.137 with plain) by smtp111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 13:24:03 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:24:03 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Alex Rourke Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, Does anyone know Alex Rourke? Not sure where he is from, but I know he ran at Grattan the last couple of years. He drives a yellow 1962 Lotus Elan. If you have an email address, that would be great. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 14:25:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D032D02FD for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4592D016B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:27:55 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:27:54 -0700 Thread-Topic: Happy Birthday, Kas Thread-Index: Ac2G7e9i/m5YfV3iSlekLzz155M4xw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy birthday to the amazing Kas Kastner. You're an amazing guy, and the Triumph racing world truly appreciates your help, guidance and advice. Cheers to Kas! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 14:44:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE6D2D02AA for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF522D026E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A12C5060011E; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:46:36 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Edward Dunn'" , References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A4770@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:46:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2G7e9i/m5YfV3iSlekLzz155M4xwAAo6dQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll certainly second that! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dunn Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:28 PM To: 'fot@autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Happy birthday to the amazing Kas Kastner. You're an amazing guy, and the Triumph racing world truly appreciates your help, guidance and advice. Cheers to Kas! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 15:27:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9522D02E2 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8562C0D4F for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.70]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7ULU561028937; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:30:05 -0400 Received: from [75.226.38.88] (88.sub-75-226-38.myvzw.com [75.226.38.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id BB288E0000F5; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:30:04 -0400 (EDT) References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A4770@TITAN.dwholdings.local> From: chasgee@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:30:01 -0700 To: Kas Kastner x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346362205; bh=qZW1AlauczDfu0HNpXtOt2yBhu3DEpqUBfDJMnknZ4I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=c+8GMJavdQvNxKFTH5HTYxW1lXhgrZrTv/UQ6d29vTY6GZZfqw+J1RwyZKi5nU8O4 RJug6JkYjtt6MQKDH/k3+ZRXfKyv92YhfAz88XWeUhQahMcuUl+IXi3ovTKBMgD8t4 quzxbF1bPF8gq0h3258SZTcsrDpFmLLOts3lQAfE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2946503fdb5c2554 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, you made it another year. Who'd a thought... Chuck Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Happy birthday to the amazing Kas Kastner. You're an amazing guy, and the > Triumph racing world truly appreciates your help, guidance and advice. > > Cheers to Kas! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 16:13:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659922C0C4B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EAFEE2C0C29 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 22:16:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 22:16:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 22:16:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 48741 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 22:16:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346365000; bh=2DwCebvfWdPm0qkckgCkhQgjlZhaOVjqMuRktNNWbUE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=vftcJv61m3LQNosBLz/lzEAgwhqcOwV7szT+7/43xhtrTYFLiYB9zhHoyJ9y6Mw57UXg0FSAJtH3ZCfNW23Hy3LhKG7f69Kf76CfiTrjnBaYjMyoLdkkXlrwgztxG2K8owl7NwcRsskDnRsgDaAe+LzbLi1WTDqfJ6Ew/akaFDQ= hLxzm44OIE24sxvJysngMuIUDY_NUBc3Rb5oJwkf4y2owfjD4zNsFm8AekZh wFxawuNwmB.Fj3_YcWUCN46bN0KfnVgvguPA4B9abMnKtx6BmNFfSviFKUUg GjK00KmEMHI3.5020Aj7qKP0wqWpeIMaC7AyzYpcmnJkfZUIR6gj57NRjPGL P6e.U1VQxRzrU0EK5qe_gFJFnoD31.Ivtc1iGhJpAS8NR4tjb8Bfd0GdCFUl Cv5SPiG6Be4gjMLamQ2J2aNrKdwe4bHOO0tXRpExbAjHx4mnHAweanjeE1mI Gii7Uw1g8tMSaFxyqlhERfR1iPQnd6MZaZKZFeXL7.2J1R5_hom1vz4Qowo1 Xu1MJZh6TXqAlLNT1Q2TcGHEp2FuUVNsjitm_jKf2em8gl.Ah4_Tos5Ko2yk A2AeAzzfL7JAINxFXv.T1Oz_xBKFysYnk4NgCXIYGw8hleGhWPES43rQVzqC hd6GCWV5Wd0UV1KfAKOppTASzQ1XiA3Fk2vEdD_zXSrpVudMe_sFGS.wB2zc Yv34txzVnzzyV6eRDhNk7ME4- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@98.66.162.144 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 15:16:40 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A4770@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <000801cd86f0$89cbcbc0$9d636340$@com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:16:51 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2G7e9i/m5YfV3iSlekLzz155M4xwAAo6dQAAMTVBA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kas, Happy Birthday. You are an incredible asset to so may of us. But most especially thank you for being a friend. Many happy returns. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:47 PM To: 'Edward Dunn'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas I'll certainly second that! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dunn Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:28 PM To: 'fot@autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Happy birthday to the amazing Kas Kastner. You're an amazing guy, and the Triumph racing world truly appreciates your help, guidance and advice. Cheers to Kas! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 16:26:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C582D0330 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F0542C0D2F for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 22:25:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.185] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 22:25:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 22:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 78569 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 22:25:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346365505; bh=BJF8LP5QbdmVJiQHyFTOAIVcgdF+VwdVHOQwxvcXIkA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Message-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Reply-To:X-Priority:References:In-Reply-To:Sensitivity:Importance:Subject:To:Cc:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=n+Ca4rJWTiO97bMtndXR4YTY+X5AMJIXp93FWc2qPZZtffVbILLHpZ0WDSbvzqUfC8+bDxWpXf1px5u6RTw/0TQm0Jqkrgo0c9fmPMrIv1g8nX+q2fA+9o6NWj2Ba9H1A+1QIXMldd7N2xA/+DZyByhUPCLwE80764RPNRssseM= WvqwVQVgLC3Oh..EggJO0m6WjOvmkIPnYhrBYZLxfDoAEYPpPVZqYqGRGXDJ T0mS3OnwYwSyNd7zBF8vbrF8iw.n.RKI5xz_Wm5T_K_73UH3j5cJArpn0aEG n06.6PYOeOvSpQRNUyfT8nPSLjHoXr6u2ZyXWvz7Tfs8HB3M5rXAidoEDtL9 Pf_TicRtiYk3aDt_NQgLGoXPwBPuEV_D1doUuA7aQwAxi6mgwc4O_bos14SQ 2sHmK30bydYsq6ulr3l2ru_VlieR6DRWiSkhPRn1X2Khsb2SXgjFJSPxgzIh tajlgxctBwCCwKrPlFLnjUtATlQmFPsWCNFZ.MM_L_uiMmkNHVjIZjZv6.4P h7puPkCZn2VuOSuwjtJkKHpfh2IUj3mBdp0Esja5JfEAHWPwfvRAupNhbGfn V1vUy2ktu8a5m0n__DlgfIC7KvKKB7L7Bqw.SAPProRuxyAhhvpmfhFNc5lp V2ch1M12QVjkfcQ-- Received: from b14.c5.bise6.blackberry (bob@74.82.81.237 with xymcookie) by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 15:25:05 -0700 PDT References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A4770@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Sensitivity: Normal To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net, "Kas Kastner" From: "Bob Pengraph" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:25:02 +0000 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday Kas! Never be beaten by age! Take care, Bob Pengraph Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: chasgee@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:30:01 To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday, Kas Wow, you made it another year. Who'd a thought... Chuck Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Happy birthday to the amazing Kas Kastner. You're an amazing guy, and the > Triumph racing world truly appreciates your help, guidance and advice. > > Cheers to Kas! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bob@nwspeedshots.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 17:31:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F782D034E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9382D0323 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdminPC ([unknown] [173.62.130.123]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M9L00D5MDFDG93F@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:33:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Richard Good" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:33:11 -0400 Cc: whipwagner@comcast.net Subject: [Fot] nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to nominate my friend Boyd Wagner to our group. He is a Triumph enthusiast and has done beautiful restorations on a TR250 and a 1969 TR6 and also has a 1974 TR6. He recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb. Richard Good _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 17:36:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6792D031E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:36:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BC02D0307 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:36:24 -0600 (MDT) a=ft3aQrzeuTtyZjRjRVvyHw==:17 a=ufghDHTLyEAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=aaZRO4z7yfQA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=s7ibMTmILYKm2B8PFG4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XBlE0r9_2r5eFHeWYjsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ft3aQrzeuTtyZjRjRVvyHw==:117 Received: from [65.29.157.118] ([65.29.157.118:38438] helo=[10.0.1.5]) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 22/8F-17584-F99FF305; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:39:11 +0000 From: Allen Washatko To: Friends of Triumph Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:39:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kas, Wishing you the best on your birthday. Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. In appreciation, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 17:37:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E522D035E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E9B632D0333 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 23:39:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.206] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 23:39:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 23:39:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346369966; bh=/h60hC0D1QO2GXy36F7J+jv+KSkQ1cd1Q8Lhc8CCC4k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=owD5Mp1uiD8pEzK2H8NFbRBL4SMAFSZIMwRFHniYmby7PBmZ6HWlKcLx5ypyc4KaIYPxu3hSU+rLfVJxwOuuiMsDOtgiZFVyMc1YOVbQrwI+jGethxhTDuVUUSIJVer5Z6ssrbKI1j8XRGFJ1ZMKf+lonuXzP+VTZisCEbBCI68= KoLspMaElp33MvSH1LF.XeaUBW4Pe0ij_HJ0zzZ9MSKvOfZRwh9rK5qXUGQT 8xuQdeECeDWTunV2oSjxtUe4J9TklPzYYiKgs81nmLbA3Hp04afpCqO8t9AN OE008V9kjkH3I8esd4gf_V3vSY0CVNQuT55xGbGOXyRwSII9GWYNoiB9EzF8 CHxzRkIIqcH9kfP6FSN16BGaciR_SDBsd1yuDcCMX6aJ4oiSFeFEG1zUKLzR nMqdNHgI6a.qILtmXb7O5AU63SNOuLL3h._PAt6RyTgaXYpB_HgqIfAQDFld SyhTQouxV1gIGERXosGOWMkI5DeICTvnhoDmyBrf707fRBq9xCYNonEU0wPD SvgzfBh6EDXu17NLniymoDN9J_FfqRfTxetZn7m11.zOgXL5NWMxoeeQgimt quhE30kpmYZQHYi0Zeywj8F4Gm1CXtRl2z6Nd6jPmM9TttqRsfvMLcpzXv_I 23Y9deo9wnJ0xb8d5UtmILcOO8ObxIJ2xFW8- Received: from [192.168.2.2] (dmitchel@68.248.73.137 with plain) by smtp215.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 16:39:25 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:39:23 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: Richard Good Cc: whipwagner@comcast.net, Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll second the nomination. Cheers, -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Richard Good wrote: >I would like to nominate my friend Boyd Wagner to our group. He is a Triumph >enthusiast and has done beautiful restorations on a TR250 and a 1969 TR6 and >also has a 1974 TR6. He recently built a Sprite for autocross and hillclimb. > >Richard Good >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 19:02:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB4E2D02FD for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s43.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s43.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50352D02D8 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS105 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s43.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:58:51 -0700 References: From: Vince G Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:58:52 -0400 To: Allen Washatko FILETIME=[C950B350:01CD8713] Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy birthday! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-30, at 7:39 PM, "Allen Washatko" wrote: > Kas, > > Wishing you the best on your birthday. > Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. > > In appreciation, > > Allen > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 19:20:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F93F2D02FD for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:20:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827542D0150 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t7KT1j0081vN32cA3DPd6D; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:23:37 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tDPc1j00E2vctGa8iDPcxQ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:23:37 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: "Vince G" , "Allen Washatko" References: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:23:35 -0700 Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday Kas..Thanks for all that you do/have done for the racing world. Racer Bud.. Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince G" To: "Allen Washatko" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:58 PM Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas > Happy birthday! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-08-30, at 7:39 PM, "Allen Washatko" wrote: > >> Kas, >> >> Wishing you the best on your birthday. >> Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. >> >> In appreciation, >> >> Allen >> >> >> Allen & Jody Washatko >> 1971 TR6 - Number 6 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 19:49:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553A12C0C45 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8051D2D0165 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 01:49:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.58] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 01:49:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 01:49:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20858 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 01:49:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=Gh3WBRlW+32Oy/+qFXgy2Ey3VqotJERfsf73p6zd3oibuNhYRDVCBNgX6Fdcfud6dek0GCcU7rfGPH6sKpLAsjKFWVptcH6XWYync4dwtRCz55h7VJRFAMF1RF2dZjb4foIa8J9bZse4ZCdUcEBDVfqQabCZXMm2kXzWLhQNhrU= ; s=s1024; t=1346377742; bh=sfMUpmGFdpp6x43c9IpCz7SQILgO5jfd9LyrLaltXkY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=rSFzqjEd/4IcQfjslZorGFLtAk4RbhGfDU0v3NAprWmPc9TTosBiO1LUWRmafF5CHVw0953F3K8QrVedIqQNDui25Qo1PKH+jitqUJnXpvfX1XksEvlqoArQPOYqm06RgkV9Z6tyzTfCnWLHz2ZGADFDfmA/xjjdWevjDY10cjM= Wv8fShWSNzDRDcw19fCROaGk7ss4umK3ObZKMfpnVamSo1vb4x7eiioceRCQ moMfMsiTQb05s52Ru0454LKk4BmV4H2LRB3IYKABhRiRDCSOqnsNDFd0l6EJ K.Xt41gckR0XzG0bZVreV7VO2._514zJpqxckj4uFyCeY8Ohsx7z2tUKfhoJ SrekczoSWiQupyZPcWuuXiXUXSG9gFa4WteNb4ksMmBDmYH.BK87AKw5Htqu czLLmtUUZS7MN6zI0RIaeKkckQt11WnPNIIgcht1WsfFhnEJTt0pTpPNEPix fXvrq0IWlKU4faIisNXnfYd63KONcsDqYh039Jpo..bk5mYhIkFPfz2e_ksd 2LlKnU5pjjrntr1duCv2df4rwv52Bkc45UM_dhFctMRV0h1N6hTFwmJ7hzYE eoP_GkbJifoHQzvOe Received: from [192.168.1.67] (yellow-green@99.43.68.42 with xymcookie) by smtp122-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 01:49:01 +0000 UTC From: Dennis Delap Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:48:58 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday! Dennis&Joan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 20:36:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A672D032D for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA092D02FC for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU401-EAS94 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:35:45 -0700 References: From: Charles WATSON Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:35:42 -0400 To: Allen Washatko FILETIME=[52959E20:01CD8721] Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday to an icon of sport! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 7:39 PM, "Allen Washatko" wrote: > Kas, > > Wishing you the best on your birthday. > Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. > > In appreciation, > > Allen > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 31 05:34:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7522D031B for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26362D01A7 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7VBb2WK022012 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:37:02 -0400 Received: from [10.136.245.167] (mobile-198-228-197-012.mycingular.net [198.228.197.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id A2AA0E00012D for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:37:00 -0400 (EDT) References: <003e01cd8719$fc81a760$f584f620$@net> From: Christopher Bock Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:36:59 -0400 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346413022; bh=H9mtAkDNP5v1HL3Ijmhv5TeAcl13PU9K6h2hjEyonIw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=i65fpxf0N2KFX1BY1rVvMHi9OkNDGUTXGIi52rTfOxZ97IrN9SzpC5Ms3/L4AqTvA zpyTNYxyfufqgKlsx7tC42vJnX/iw80qX2//jZrq/CbVMqyCMIpAoPaNKyj0NFLtDl QCMLCkhggndAfCZQgG/+6NEIKJC71pCqyrXuCv7k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29425040a1dc1cc9 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph, but MG parts and cars for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I got this from another club I am part of. I am sure someone might be interested. Chris > > > B7 bTwo MG B's (b75 & b79) partially dismantled including most if not all their parts. > > B7 A very good size truck load of MG parts including a number of engine's and transmissions hood, trunks with and without luggage racks, extra set of seats just a bunch of stuff. > > The cars are on our lot and available to be viewed during normal business hours the parts we would have to set up an appointment to view but would not be difficult to do that I do have some pictures and would be happy to send them to you just let me know. Thank you for any leads you find. We would prefer to sell everything for one deal at this time but as time goes by we will start to sell bits and pieces . Feel free to pass along my email and or phone number and again thank you. > > > Ditmire Motorworks > 425 White Horse Pike > Absecon, NJ 08201 > (609) 641-3392 > > ditmiremb@gmail.com > Feel free to Give me a call I'll be happy to help. Joelb _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 31 08:20:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373762D033B for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D448C2D0334 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tRTc1j0021wpRvQ54SJJ3Z; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:18:18 +0000 Received: from Desktop ([76.100.209.245]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tSUr1j0025JDEd03eSUr88; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:28:51 +0000 From: "Craig" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" References: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:18:23 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2HIda9XuJADilQQpqGnKmLFiDAuAAYZHAQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday! Craig _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 31 12:30:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B2C2D0341 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874092D0307 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so2772429qcs.14 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:30:23 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=G/S4a1OBhDJw3W0c8lM4knTFqeJ/PUxNBzuBMnJiPSI=; b=bevJ8T7q4+N92Brz1Az4DxBtaYnmclC6w6cdh3f2uDUWEb7gdw8Mpe5FBShHYy7QGk ck6z4kz68uJCJ0499jPqFYvxSvSwozP63dvXEp0i3BwP7KgKa+Kx/xnfbebRSiz8gKp2 pBXIzrY3RyVvVZIJrIdKk5t6th9L4LO/rXIY9Ezl0Y6qNDHPYJNnUIG9ef9rRxx3Ec9W sf/SR5214gBF2v1H68gxy6PPrSxX1R1d6h7tR9C5m5eN2+S4P2RWvIvMDRvc/Xe1W/SN lf/bW5eRLCadEqxciXM+6BmN+7jwmsPmLqdmGyxcuaRBfZW974noKWD7yW3gyQgc2ANU y6Rw== Received: by 10.224.44.202 with SMTP id b10mr20069317qaf.2.1346437822989; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:30:22 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Phiosophical Reflections on GT6 motor internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are not that many GT6's out there racing week after week.. I have said before that my approach for the past few years has been to focus on maintaining the car with the mechanical properties that have been long time race proven. "Knowledge" gained from studying the great cars I grew up with here in the Midwest and lucky to have my own working historical template, I remain true to many seemingly "old school" ways. Not surprisingly, what I have found to be the working norm usually follows pretty close in line with Kas's early yellow version of the "Competition Preparation Manual" for the GT6+... reoccurringly and affectionately referred to in my garage as "the little yellow book" This takes me back to fond memories of perhaps the Silver Age of GT6ing (In my mind)((from the mid 1970's to the mid 80's)). The factory cars had disappeared. The guys that were left racing GT6's were still trying to keep the cars running like the factory backed cars of years earlier. To do this, you basically had to have a GT6 graveyard in your backyard. And if you were very lucky you could find access to those coveted "V" parts... which had virtually disappeared as well. However, with close attention to details in "the little yellow book" using parts from your backyard graveyard... you could foil Datsuns and Alfas for a class win. If the stars were in alignment, you might even be a real underdog hero and nudge out a super sized GT1 muscle car for the overall win. Of course, you hear about Group 44 and Kastner and Cline and their glorious GT6's. In my world, there was a guy named Dennis Moeller who pioneered the campaign of GT6's in the Midwest. There were a few more names that dabbled with the cars as well but my learning came mostly from hanging around the cars of John Reed and my Dad... as they continued to fight the battle in GT6's for many years. Builders and racers that worked with very little (in the way of new parts)... but with attention to details and many grueling hours of smart preparation of mostly used Triumph Parts or custom "one offs"... they held there own. My modest friend John Reed is not the type to talk much about winning in his "Zippy"... but his record is quite impressive. He won tons of races back in the day and was always in contention for the Midwestern Council DP championship. I have yet to meet a driver that finished more events in a GT6. As a lucky second generation GT6 addict, I am fortunate to have these guys (John and my Dad) as Coaches, advisers and aging crew members. And as the self appointed curator of our three cars and a few spare motors I can say, rather proudly, that they all have stock connecting rods and stock pistons. Each motor varies in potency. A couple are real killers and through it all have been pretty much bulletproof. Somehow over the past 40 years the three main cars managed to rack up over 400 race finishes. . My plan is to have all three (very different) cars up at Road America for the next Kastner Cup. Each with it's corresponding "Legend of motorsport" Now, not to be narrow minded, or resistant to change, or stuck with a 1972 rule book in hand.... Someday I would like to try my hand (budget pending) with some of the newer trick stuff out there and I do support any newfangled modern production of quality parts.The parts that we have used in these motors has been mostly a matter of means and, more importantly, has followed efforts of being able to keep them built and tuned "in house" with limited equipment. Most importantly, they need to be assembled with personal notes, the illustrated factory manuals and help from that old "little yellow book." Whatever parts you have or decide to put in your GT6, Please, please make plans to bring them ALL to the next Kastner Cup. Shot peened steel?, aluminium?, carbon fiber?....bring it to Road America a year from now. LET'S RACE! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net