From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 06:19:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FC72D03D6 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 06:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06742D03A5 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 06:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [72.92.216.56]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M9O004147OS509I@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:22:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Jason Ostrowski" , "triumph friends" References: Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:22:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring guy I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: "triumph friends" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Damn Differential > Well I think I reached a new high level of frustration in Triumphing > Today. > Surely there are tools out there to make this a quick and easy job....but > yet again tools I don't have. > I have done a lot of hard and frustrating jobs on these cars over the > years. > But the rear bushing removal and install on a Spit/GT6 diff.has to be one > of the most difficult tasks yet. > Blisters on my hands, 2 ruined hardened sockets, two stripped threaded > rods,no less than 8 heavy washers (2 hardened) destroyed, and two nuts > mangled. > And 1 Nut drenched in sweat with a pounding headache. > > On the plus side, my fresh "home made" locked differential is done and > will > go in the car tonight. > All this for a couple hours of track time at Road America this weekend. > Remind me again why it's so rewarding to be your own mechanic. > Perhaps I'm in the minority of idiots. > If you were going golfing, can you imagine telling your golfing buddies > that you had spent the night before a round of 18 holes....laying on the > floor of your garage floor covered in grease and sweat on the verge of > tears for more hours than you care to count....fixing your 9 iron? > Craziness. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 07:29:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDFC2D036D for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE362D0229 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q81DW3qT026064; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:32:03 -0400 Received: from core-mta002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C90C3E000092; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) To: william.tobin31@verizon.net, jason@multivintage.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346506323; bh=am/PWYykAtU5e3e7Lzhc2acTGntdMG8ePOJzzdxTrI8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KbGxK6me+4mkXzyRr4yOcn4iRL2st+ukDN3TrTCChNRG5xj+XefJinFcDsctOdGEG Zo0GIBMaxB3pAKFmdjwuULVRAzb2Yp/Q+lhvXmxNlWl3GcJe1KLIy3WmzTcpORMwV4 ROIhtT8T82mjK/9fjiAOJFP2IbAAXO4vXCQfTz6k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50420e5232cc Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 09/01/2012 7:22:21 AM Central Daylight Time, william.tobin31@verizon.net writes: > Hi Gang, I sure do enjoy the Rotary lift I installed a couple months ago; > > press a button and the car goes up. Great! I got it used from a retiring > guy > I knew. Paid $950 for the lift, but much more for the 6" floor of concrete > > to set it on! I'm getting too old to roll around on the floor. > I'm headed for the Glen next week. Who else is going? > Enjoy the weekend. > Amen to having a lift available to you. We've had ours for about 15 years now, and I put the cars on the lift...even to wax them. Lifts are great. I don't sell engineering, but a four inch (or less +/-) concrete floor might not have to be an issue. I believe you can address such an issue by diamond saw cutting a pair of 24"x24" holes in your existing floor where the anchor bolts need to go, and then digging out a particularly deep pocket 24-30" deep, and using extra long anchor bolts. That's what we did (although I would not be surprised if our floor was not 6" to begin with). I think the lift manufacturer give specific directions as to what will work with their unit. Ours has a 9,000 pound capacity, and we followed their instructions. Again, no engineer, but I think that is far superior to drilling anchor bolts into a 6" concrete floor. The Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team (in all its Glory) will be at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival at Road America. We've never missed one. We had raced the September Watkins Glen event for about eighteen years in a row, and we miss not racing there now. Wismer has family right across the border in PA. But when the two events ended up on the same week end to accommodate the SCCA Nationals at Road America, we had to opt'd for our 'home track'. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 07:49:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DEA2D0408 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C8F2D0212 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q81DqBu6018214; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:52:11 -0400 Received: from core-mta002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9DAFBE000089; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) To: william.tobin31@verizon.net, jason@multivintage.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346507531; bh=/bkx4Of5a1OyI/AKyZog7+tFZie/R+fvdi5C4AoZQTw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IhUShrZrk0NVL7lpESUoOUXYFzUufrsWmaskOAooi7SByGxKN2NMGeHwEifxr97WG 2iADg3txPdurpoWnADN5JIw2deBbVFWESDmRKXit0i4KdQnwlfkPpoooCmag+K2QXw CwxYass/EJ6cxIQXtlPEE8scUnCeiF3Vx/pQ9tik= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d5042130b3c8a Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 08:15:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2D72D03D8 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391322D03D7 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so2290622wgb.20 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:14:03 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=J7BdP1afFdWqnvtXaJl8zgjQ6Q/JKGYdU+23N2H/l1w=; b=t9EHyCgmxhE7CbKOPaUCNEZsjbphcJIz+fU2qjBVJoBU7dXXHURVBNb/sBRvlMeKEb HsBqewiSnERKxPJ0pnPWGvOs3G8UtVQhNHZ7EN8v5bTjg6xww8jS66e9nz08MHNujlje UwBKM2DngiFYEhIgHhRB1iJZai/YEF0ItoH/Doo84VaQkQp0O0RRFIW1FK9NMYMdsywH AwSib5xw6RLnkYrGKNNUEVltLQvVQyVYrDP/kJxBf9aTIFh9zDHgiqqAjOxbrOgAiHdd PyyegGVNgWyPBifoNOVNgJGoXVCU3ytjjaDG72pjAErUlG/2MDk3J1qBpF8n6nYPXgak +dVQ== Received: by 10.180.103.4 with SMTP id fs4mr11431689wib.16.1346508843611; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-78-239.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.78.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm10649216wiz.7.2012.09.01.07.14.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: , , , References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:13:59 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2ISQwQVM5k4uydRzisrL9Xhwp3ewAAqo3Q Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As Bill said: The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 An: william.tobin31@verizon.net; jason@multivintage.com; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 08:46:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B042D0405 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:46:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B8B2D0333 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so5185816vbk.14 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Ef8BW3D9paAgbc51b1BVQMJi3oPf+7j9qDhkwkOr40c=; b=FOCvV0FDUlP4AZanaAY0KvgDLl0d1rTLY5Cs4etIHfpi+1iqxYWach6sr59Dsy80Nm xObysGKxZYL2/p5N70erIEeEP+tFZ35OhYY3QFV+QsTVMHTVH+Q/+El1vhzt5jmVKSVD FAnguqQXlC3hvsWk7VEHssQTuPnxfjcqm7rgntMdcxrrcsxh2eBiLGqj496TbvTVuuVH Mumy7mwai8Aiar1zbZWUDyIomebnLnqB2mM7B/fpYRnuy7OHMWfgIJmUERSM3jst8cTq 9A5dQ7WQc0qhPqKq+4RsuxTdAMxUCMRlo0NfeKCbT9FM/AaW6OZ/qw1wjYAdbbkWe6KG ytYg== Received: by 10.220.221.18 with SMTP id ia18mr7831483vcb.62.1346510631234; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.19.148 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 07:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Marshall Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:43:10 -0400 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lift, was Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net For those of us without the ceiling height for a 2 or 4 post lift, consider a low rise tire changing type lift instead. I bought an old Rotary PAL7 from a local tire store and it's been great in my garage with 8 ft ceiling. It sits on any level floor without having to be attached, and it lifts the car 24-30 inches off the ground. Since this particular model has an "H" configuration to the lifting base, it pretty much sits right under the frame of the Triumphs and you can reach just about everything from underneath. Of course you have to lie on the floor but at least you can get to stuff. Also, since it seems that 90% of what I do involves the brakes and suspension, it's especially helpful that it lifts the frame and I can take all 4 wheels off without having to use any other equipment or jacks. If I had a choice between this and a regular 4 post lift (with the rails), I'm not sure which I would prefer. I suspect the 2 post setup that lifts the frame is the best of all worlds, but it's not an option for me. Don On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > As Bill said: > The safest thing would be to ask the lift manufacturer what he recommends > for concrete type, if it should be reinforced, which type of anchor bolts. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin@aol.com > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. September 2012 15:52 > An: william.tobin31@verizon.net; jason@multivintage.com; > fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential > > Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... > > It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms > that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the > four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four > vice two bearing points. > > Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" > (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead > of two. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 09:18:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091EE2D0401 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C222D031E for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [72.92.216.56]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M9O0098EFXH6M50@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 10:20:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: , , References: <835fc.6b745701.3d736d0b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi again. My lift is a two post above ground unit. Rotary, the mfgr, said 5 inches of concrete minimum. My old cement floor was poured in '59, mixed by hand. 4 inches deep. They did a good job for the time, but it was poured in sections, which shifted a bit, especially where the tree root pushed it up. The tree is gone now. I thought about putting in two 4' square sections to mount it on, but decided to bite the bullet and go a little bigger. By the time it was done it was 28' x 28'! 6 inches of fiberglass reinforced, smooth, level, gorgeous concrete. The concrete guys did a great job. It was about $2300 for the concrete and about that much more for the pour. Worth every cent. Enjoy the weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin@aol.com To: william.tobin31@verizon.net ; jason@multivintage.com ; fot@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Differential Amici, in general, and Bill Tobin in particular... It just occurred to me that my hoist is the twin pedestal type with arms that come out under the car to lift it. I'm now thinking yours may be the four post type with twin rails that lift the car. Similar issues, but four vice two bearing points. Obviously, my suggestion might still work to avoid replacing an entire 4" (or less) floor with a 6" floor, but four pockets would be required instead of two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 11:12:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410162D0396 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 147F82D036D for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 17:15:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 17:15:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 17:15:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 78027 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 17:15:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346519717; bh=xVFbxucamYHTITf6ywvl3AYyjjAd/rhGSHUEKmajyAM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=Mo7iAkU2H7Q18emlY5dbpL2JOfY7xhvQ5FO7mNT9UIuoGoB8MplWh6wOP8q0uMwPxqBkuX+3QSBm8vwPXg5nrYcHJoRKqUyFQw32u/VAFkkEYLNapfsjIc38Idu0/FaQQfC/4Ak+IK/y3mL3M/uhrL+5XtFSRJxZuEFT3l+sXOE= y1S0oL.u8nh8TgpZZjViWN5NIF0SpJr_eXQBGNlEYZJSKsRs_wjJgPiIQIok og4mqjJJtp_gXmOLSk5iacwASRSdsMqIVnbnv2E0C2FIuyI7YylUXWtZIUyL w_TQI_ig4xn.57n9Aw52r0CZbOLa9dMXX3lL5oIInbwryYFO2GultKUIEObT qJGPecKSk6o7.PoIhnj_u_TlVC8R7ZEvGC3TjM2X_g5W85bXXUGa6RMemtbh _V1aOQT9wyEphIJGf8QLV9cD.fm38QwtKvzskkWQNxP9f3NdWpsHJ_Q2BLiP TD4LnZIIxxqVqv8hFFQ.6oEetNHe0oYcGtFqW7u_x421ygwqIRd9QSHRXX5k OLczg5hzmyfYj2pyuamA_gWe7dZeIMUor5wDRSCVBQjJXpgABUG9a4jT2 Received: from [192.168.1.13] (cartravel@98.230.193.223 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2012 10:15:17 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Kas Kastner References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a > chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. > These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way > that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 12:10:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5CC2D03B1 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:10:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s28.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s28.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65CA2D01A1 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W35 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s28.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:10:38 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: Larry Young Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:10:38 +0000 References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> FILETIME=[1743BB20:01CD886D] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 From: cartravel@pobox.com To: kaskas@cox.net CC: lang@isis.mit.edu; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 12:40:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9375B2D03B1 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s21.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s21.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659792D026B for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:35:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS360 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s21.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 11:38:28 -0700 References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com> <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> From: Vince G Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:38:16 -0400 To: Kas Kastner FILETIME=[FAD6ACA0:01CD8870] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will have to buy your book and try one of the suggested needles. I'm doing much better this race weekend with the needles I just put in. Great power when fully in the throttle through to 6500 rpm but could be better when i have to let off and modulating the throttle through a corner. Plugs are a nice tab color after a good session Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-01, at 2:13 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. These are > a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC nd RA. In my > famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I can scan a page and > send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my new revised upgraded > Handbook that I plan to have available as a download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel@pobox.com > To: kaskas@cox.net > CC: lang@isis.mit.edu; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > > > > > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book > should give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which > I want to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want > it to be like it would have been if not for the emission > requirements. More or less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas > did back in the day. I've taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and > put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I have yet to do anything to > the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed needle Z-S. I want to > stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, but will need to > switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable (see Buckeye > Triumphs). > > > > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner > wrote: > > > > > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the > 1.5" carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to > compare. By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an > S.U. needle. > > > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 13:15:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EC62D026B for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 356AC2D0201 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 19:18:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 19:18:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 19:18:11 -0000 TvmXw_Wj87hsLmVAK6VAXobKDKhO3.wN.jI7nfWxx5TgExzTAS922gY60fll A.CO.P8XC3LFfqwMh4jvoM_fZrU.TCz.T3AR09sTDAsK3iy5r3loGX0kpFhN vJnE38tDfx1XsZWuxVKrLq3GIdUxA6g7.gxYR9HMuTmBDEBEUFz3onmraa8R FSK7mFiaGyHOkLQ4ypJg.QBPQzUYX9OA1zxCY38wEsqQAkBBLJ7JNdznzbIa a2sUoPWESKQ1sDpsrpGlzVtybF6HSU6_O9_3K3OlHoLQB1AUQgwHjTD4.NAf S4Fp8ptpUqq3SdDgipfgLoSOXZHCLY27N.rafzu8k2cYB4.Zmn.BE3Mz1.8D ZygJqLhBSItJSXqmqrEkz1a3lRKQPU.r5m80y4YqGcms8Agp6k0eSzS0Wl49 FgeUPUcfEJS4jFdiKiau.Mk8- Received: from [192.168.1.13] (cartravel@98.230.193.223 with plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2012 12:18:11 -0700 PDT Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:18:25 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Kas Kastner References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, , <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for that tip. I used RC and RB needles in my TR3 race car. I'm curious to see how all these needles compare. I need to get a wideband O2 gauge. This will not happen overnight, so I can probably wait for the new book. On 9/1/2012 1:10 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might try an RH S.U. needle or and RG Which is slightly richer. > These are a lot leaner than the ones used for racing which are RB RC > nd RA. In my famous ntoebook I have a lot of the S.U. needle info. I > can scan a page and send it if it will help. I'll be adding this to my > new revised upgraded *Handbook* that I plan to have available a > download within a couple months.. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0500 > From: cartravel@pobox.com > To: kaskas@cox.net > CC: lang@isis.mit.edu; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can > compare it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should > give a starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want > to warm up but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be > like it would have been if not for the emission requirements. More or > less like the 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've > taken the compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam > (BP270). I have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running > the fixed needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock > appearance, but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make > these adjustable (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there > is a chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" > carbs.. These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. > By the way that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. > > Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 13:27:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11FD2D026B for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ED82D0220 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ttBm1j00B1wpRvQ53vULYx; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:28:20 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tvf61j00B1EiJYf3evf6Bv; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:39:06 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: "Larry Young" , "Kas Kastner" References: <503D54FF.2080506@pobox.com>, <504242B0.7020207@pobox.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:28:06 -0400 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Strombergs operate with a deeper jet level than we're used to with SUs. Early TR6 carbs have a jet level of .080 below the bridge. Late TR6 carbs use a jet level of .125 below the bridge. You should first drop the jets to .125 for increased richness. Then try the XKE B1E needle. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "fot" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zenith-Stromberg needle specs > Thanks for locating the spreadsheet, I will get a copy so I can compare > it to the SU charts that I have. The ones in Kas' book should give a > starting point. This is for a TR250 street car, which I want to warm up > but maintain an overall stock appearance. I want it to be like it would > have been if not for the emission requirements. More or less like the > 128 mph demonstration car Kas did back in the day. I've taken the > compression ratio to 9.5 and put in a longer duration cam (BP270). I > have yet to do anything to the carbs, so I'm still running the fixed > needle Z-S. I want to stick with Z-S to maintain the stock appearance, > but will need to switch to some adjustable ones or make these adjustable > (see Buckeye Triumphs). > > > On 8/29/2012 6:38 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> just a reminder that on page 110 of my book the "Handbook" there is a >> chart of the needles we used with great success in the 1.5" carbs.. >> These are STROMBERG needles. Lots of number to compare. By the way >> that is .006" shim stock you need to use an S.U. needle. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 07:02:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25752D0167 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B2A2D0154 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qady1 with SMTP id y1so2185875qad.14 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 06:04:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HPLVaG6PG+Uw1jci7LG6NLYZPS7Oqy8JR5cBRFTISlg=; b=t678ymIgEZwcdfvwflUyDg3al8PNXAZhxRfRWauD83z6aVOsBxn4QP1LjtllWHhqWX QTNy73ZCugLPiJ4BgUgDbsKxCMwaQmsdnAMPEV5MQYkDBx8vmp52rSrgkI76hE6wg0Y1 h2fdugn/uy79qHsrW8pvrAiBJwT+bjpr/qrUVIk+AthK1jVlXxI4VTZ7sI0a9hXwLiTE SXGCakZjF76vt4Hz+gV80fOy4gfcrDogxrHl6tlVIc11/5I3xP2grKwYJVZrUmk1/bhE 9ClBilzaOejnx9OjUQTvo1YW7stF/WJ8hyZJJCeQ0+qNyrbECzLwHe8XVvRnnj1o0OOE +FWA== Received: by 10.224.78.198 with SMTP id m6mr29414068qak.30.1346591095952; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.73.231 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 06:04:55 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:04:55 -0500 From: tom strange To: Allen Washatko Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Kas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry for my tardiness, but all the same wishes from me. Kas, I hope you had a great day, and many more to come. Also from me is a big thanks for all the help you have been to all of us. Tom On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Kas, > > Wishing you the best on your birthday. > Thank you for giving so much of yourself to this fine group. > > In appreciation, > > Allen > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 04:27:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD472D0713 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 04:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0552D02C3 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 04:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B75A4C091 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sc4ogJ2Qa-ap for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2D0F9A4C087 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 07:54:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FEC2D0692 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:54:13 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 05:12:09 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. 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Passwords for fot-archive@autox.team.net: List Password // URL ---- -------- fot@autox.team.net isexfaro http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive%40autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 10:23:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCD72C0BC4 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97272D078B for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 05:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so4824758qcs.14 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 04:54:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YCZl6Vnmd9sbR7XhMzSlCN91Gmexl4WbbpEiip0kFUM=; b=VAum8FRrYhOVIjIQzlpOFQouZ+bgxXJgGEB3wu/kNvmpZYJavYA3EmPIsAJ6ayQK96 yss2ASU413R/PuFneDHlDTtCFlaVr4F04jboM89UywxWA9+SZJfX+G4MUsYd1eJGY68A oIYKGdNMlXyIhm0Q4aDn7FBXcZ5HhBVF2csgtMcTxfsg5Jd5dpMjOtDEpNBqlVfWYb79 mubJq4F5ypN3Uyo+bhz7WuS+eFQlFvwW6UnB7p8SmZVcCq3nDi6JV0VXcEPzawau16QG Hj0Z1+HEHwAQ1fkyocjRkyT5Cd72puZYIbfypyhUSeQ5mCxQZpCsLmTZbVymSvL05tGI MHww== Received: by 10.229.137.12 with SMTP id u12mr11110957qct.28.1346759683277; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 04:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.73.231 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 04:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:54:43 -0500 From: tom strange To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 10:49:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96362D0286 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F3C2D030E for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q84DpgVT010270; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:51:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: yellow04@tr4racer.com References: Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi - There was a great turnout of Triumphs at Lime Rock this weekend!! I chatted with the current owner of the Bill Ames Ambro and urged him to follow up with an interest in FOT. We'll see how that pans out. But the Kent Bain spitfire was fast on SAT, Pual King was there in the GT6, there was a TR4, several other Spitfires... I'll try to summarize tonite when I have a chance to look at the program. But I think it was the most Triumphs I've seen raced at that event in quite some time, if not ever. Linda asked what I'd need to do to run with those guys... The DOOR opens. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 11:39:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559C42D0812 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 777872D02C5 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21880 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2012 16:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2012 16:52:44 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=65500 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T8wMl-0000UX-Vd for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 10:52:44 -0600 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:52:38 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Thanks to the list! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I just wanted to say thanks to the participants in the FOT for all of the advice on my recent front suspension woes, especially to Christian Marx, Ed Barnard, Joe Alexander, Irv Korey and Dennis Delap. In case you didn't follow it, at the last race I broke a right front upright / vertical link which almost sent me into the wall. In discussing proper replacement parts, Christian mentioned that the TR-6 (really TR-4a through TR-6) vertical link and trunnion assembly is much beefier than the TR-4 3 degree caster items I had been running. Ed, Joe, Irv and Dennis (and Good Parts) all supplied me with pieces to get my car back together for Road America this coming weekend. I couldn't have done it without the advice from many on the list, and I'm very grateful for the help and support. I've taken pictures and will be putting a web page together on the TR-4a / 5 / 250 / 6 front suspension installation onto a TR-4 - this should apply to TR-3's as well. This is a very worthwhile upgrade since it strengthens the front suspension. Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing. Anyway, just wanted to give kudos to the list. Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 11:42:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34392D0C77 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FA772D0513 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16288 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2012 16:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2012 16:53:08 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=65501 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T8wN9-0001GY-V2; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 10:53:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:53:02 -0500 To: tom strange ,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America fall fest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll be there! Tony Drews At 06:54 AM 9/4/2012, tom strange wrote: >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 13:27:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7645D2D09F8 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD2A2D065A for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so3284331bkc.14 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=RlsmJjPVB5MNfmwGc+/K0Q5C8LNZX7DbDebddmY6rE0=; b=LBDqRBopNBho+l7S514C28MFWDQrXvDS8x6MT2+VqlLFbIsrm6wMKB0zwSA4EzX357 kF1A58brX6zP/rjJtahqwsqBJiaawOdVttSI4vXPmmIDdA/+zOf6ZaIn3OwA50ouh/Ap E7b9luGEe4Mt1UkuAStr+r/asfvbkVkpYJISC4qAfyma7CaQwbx27VPZpVTIDg+axNCU J7IzkFLh4vZQM0T2llwUeDtwrRph31bH6XGYiMkQEJmFItliKtThWEBWDYHoiDYJAczL 94jGFbLeossm3paVpfcngBfj7ZGLXgC9OyaR8EOsHWlMYKIwqI+ZTVH6uGaZtFycpsRU t8tQ== Received: by 10.204.154.74 with SMTP id n10mr8433282bkw.60.1346781338676; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 10:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-46-233-97.web.vodafone.de. [109.46.233.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9sm11111131bkv.0.2012.09.04.10.55.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 04 Sep 2012 10:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <20120904173919.5123D2D075D@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:55:34 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2KxLZHDJcqlbKcTbS0zjgs1rJZtAAAYn4Q Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Thanks to the list! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony says: " Anything that keeps the wheels pointed in the right direction is a good thing." I would say: Anything that keeps the wheels on the car is a good thing. Anything else is less important :-) Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 13:30:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629652D0A60 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0472D0B7F for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 12:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q84IOx2b017106 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:24:59 -0400 Received: from core-mte004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.77]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 98C2CE000088 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346783099; bh=Qe1Rd9EsHI9ZxG8DfFsGCDSUgxpWuUYxcfqjuMNxWbc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BWd9sXCcqQ9lIP0RmCGCeuNdn3xJH8Amck+OUCMPn7XVtQUOH/YvZoaofVEBvtKEF PdwTpe6H6jSKJ/1rnofCWFDpcLihd/TnwAf6tXdm3ceerMSgF3IcVs+BICkB8g7D4g 8+rb360l+z7USClU/YbBz73EDEAEACECIySOkyjo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a5046477b243d Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 14:50:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDCF2D0A49 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375D72D0B75 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.82.249.212:38582] by server-4.bemta-12.messagelabs.com id 6B/2C-06298-ABC56405; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:55:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 15789 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2012 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chis0084.am.amersports.int) (198.184.220.8) by server-2.tower-219.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Sep 2012 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from chis0084.am.amersports.int ([10.3.251.84]) by chis0084.am.amersports.int ([10.3.251.84]) with mapi; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:55:37 -0500 From: "Reed, John" To: "BillDentin@aol.com" , 'Friends of Triumph' Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:55:35 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Thread-Index: Ac2K1GyTTiU2qqdQRiWx4PcPszOcmgAAtLXs Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net See you guys there. Jason and I will be competing for Spectator of the Event. On 9/4/12 1:24 PM, "BillDentin@aol.com" wrote: Amici... This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below looks. We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did quit one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. 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 --_000_E11A7A63DA36D74FB7FC897FA1A997B81F05F67EABgsquema001gsa_-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 16:01:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9620A2D0299 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s40.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s40.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4652D0991 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:45:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS335 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s40.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 4 Sep 2012 13:48:36 -0700 References: From: Vince G Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:48:39 -0400 To: "yellow04@tr4racer.com" FILETIME=[A7FF9490:01CD8ADE] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Great to hear, congrats on the day gents! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-04, at 6:43 AM, yellow04@tr4racer.com wrote: > Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime > Rock, two overall wins! > > Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on > the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy > traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. > > Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting > to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. > > Way to go, guys! > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 17:44:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24442D0E63 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD9162D0A6E for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.193] by nm24.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2012 22:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2012 22:45:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2012 22:45:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 76681 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2012 22:45:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346798744; bh=CMxzoJZhXhW17L///3Ji4DB+nUqyp42pqNNqwAM9sk8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c1yewvrk5oSJtRxhCxPSeeuVplIGCTitpqO0wQYVVa+r6ZrGQ3TruFvE2hVlWPVtwBoemk3UeVYw6xb8XZvqBYfNLc1IgSiNupmYy80B4297rxakBsP4mcVzhs2UVU0kjY7prkinbl4x47kPvIrPfTjCdbbJ1eBdyigpEGbYz5E= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jdwP/92tr935QEFpTIfKdKdCusJR+8gERRjwhj9vRpfECJ5V4W+GCkgo7FSVX5uRCN9atRq7zOAK0jSzEOplD1+c+11CdWyFmQfWA/eGh0RbNW7oxg3R2pTbvl2kK2Re0CY7HMPvc+91H9BlTQEWmd6G6SZuBU5E3gAMGX5VsTc=; ZQEolwgS9hFeva0bX1x__DNuo431OSJPMi0NndCFNuViNnCRRLMBzcmqktKQ fziZf7Mc88Gd2Nf_4N_BZJBZTZib6Tjlf3b8KZS50Plnb7ZzONCM2r0Ye03d JktVB76oVpFAA1xvmmqRuyKfEIt7Jy81mAe.tzxCZOhMxAhAhQLnT7krk0MV iNDqdkZpha2ogxuocEoYXgSrDO_4zNsdCdF__15daqotiNFlsgZFomAKu.0B H0.yfs2K05SVStHfaIZ1HfYgJbIk5oiozJ2LhHlOUQ6f9TeHKAqPvYv0x_yZ Jadcy19kDH4jbmxMRNsc2w0Ic5d04ErAepbZu5VOCCtoocpR4JGpSpO9dURg d.qyj6B6lzJ1sya3FubfWpuvheU66deOqDo1EchqwFiaarPmg2x74XYjvkyz D5tET_ktxbdjh.4PKFdUFlWtsJEUbXRJJxB4WFMQN0aolaW0a_8v08Ywg3UY 7auY- Received: from [69.48.117.18] by web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:45:44 PDT References: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schneider To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America fall fest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: tom strange >To: fot@autox.team.net >Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest > >Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 19:00:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E89F2D0808 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8F92D06F4 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q84NruV2012425; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (71-13-26-216.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com [71.13.26.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id A1BA8E000150; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:53:55 -0400 (EDT) References: From: John Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:53:51 -0500 To: tom strange x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346802836; bh=gtLhY9dkYDpwNBTzcG/y9UDAJwUpGV1cyL3Gc9CRoww=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=x9LhKKsuLmADNSNSpUTdjwxLJ2jOr6TSAtfvcbgi+6ew9i1PF9gL977UgGcy+vqRb 8xOA8QfJdYt6PEwsDV3z8D+0PuUx8DKjzfKq+2umk4ySDxgwPMqzVq/H9QaxLiUxhu uTOL14RqvL6nsuNa1hp5+c8KvLW6m/aPEo9oH22Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29035046949346bb Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America fall fest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will, trying one more time to get the Kellison/TR4 to run. We'll be at our usual spot along the main road across from the t-shirt store! John Houlton Sent from my iPod On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 19:04:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF382D0ACB for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:04:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4725F2D0930 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120905000320.KVYM12025.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 20:03:20 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.2] ([68.112.108.51]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id vC3K1j00M16aBHQ05C3KKt; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:03:20 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=KG8HtAuWIhcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2hRZoSXNx8WLTyjzW0iEpQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=niHkitJtFNupshj1KOsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=2hRZoSXNx8WLTyjzW0iEpQ==:117 From: Jerry Barr Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:03:19 -0500 References: <1346798744.30016.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Gary Schneider Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America fall fest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gary I have never heard you yell at anyone. On Sep 4, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Mike asked me to be chief steward this weekend so please play nice! I hate yelling at people :-) > Gary Schneider > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: tom strange >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:54 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Road America fall fest >> >> Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 20:01:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E542D06F4 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 20:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta-w3.tc.umn.edu (mta-w3.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95D32D0A87 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (67-6-12-73.mpls.qwest.net [67.6.12.73]) by mta-w3.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:45:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Patrick Starr Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:45:56 -0500 References: To: tom strange Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America fall fest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will be there in #83 Morgan Plus 4. Pat Starr On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:54 AM, tom strange wrote: > Does anyone plan to be at Road America this next weekend??? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001@umn.edu _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 12:24:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712972D06E8 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B54A2D08D6 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q85GuPAa027602 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:56:25 -0400 Received: from core-dpc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dpc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.226.141]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C259CE000097 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: LimeyV8@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346864185; bh=VE8IEjzdTbWAsqV83+HOJ1bfAn9MISMvxEYQiYxZOUA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=USXlhdze6dWPl1bzxUCbZbnOJ9XQahZ1o88Za0hR5mTH/sHmCNXn+/DaToBaDbVMh 1n4yiKY0vYbyUH0n7K65IZODi5hWfe19qgorRl1L0qz8Y7j0roDZ2GdM7nQgc2xuIq NriCZ0ga+GkQpVI0OnWPC0FusrO01IeZe0dis5t0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8504784380a9d Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 14:09:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5B62D097A for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.pem.dotster.com (mail5.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B6F2D0887 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28619 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2012 18:04:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zap6) (list@mackenzie.aero@[70.253.90.156]) by 72.5.54.239 with SMTP; 5 Sep 2012 18:04:51 -0000 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT List'" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:04:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2Ljl/ch4rnmBbcSWWcrm+zpq5GiQ== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AsQh Bnq6 BuOL C2yT DTnF D+GU EvVr E4hZ Fht2 FzUH GfOt Hmqf JTYf KUYa KgrB KmNU; 1; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {94DDBD2E-4595-4D1A-971C-876FD2763038}; bABpAHMAdABAAG0AYQBjAGsAZQBuAHoAaQBlAC4AYQBlAHIAbwA=; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:03:13 GMT; TABvAG8AawBpAG4AZwAgAGYAbwByACAAYQAgAFMAcABpAHQAZgBpAHIAZQAgAFMAVQAgAFsAMQAuADIANQBdACAAbQBhAG4AaQBmAG8AbABkAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {94DDBD2E-4595-4D1A-971C-876FD2763038} Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 15:10:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7633F2D0B96 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F172D0A95 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q85J6dvw027264 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:06:39 -0400 Received: from core-mba003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mba003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.30.143]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD09AE00008E; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) References: <4e69a.4bb1b754.3d78de38@aol.com> To: LimeyV8@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net From: kkjjk@aol.com Received: from 72.84.132.232 by webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:06:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346871999; bh=m6qaQU7k8pD+5AtgHXkZfKI0R+vzRy5npyNmm/4Eims=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jLpwKkN3ZItZF7KSNfJlDIPkdOuzIsaUpvVBTnOjqUzxfWm1Xj9QOrYvacSvDrdrm 4Jp6VJeT9ggmTP94YEmXwGklxY3qLjSxPuDB5DpxBvYbqGEEIL40OdN5YLgEIIns4C 8o2r/pwLhQfF2qPAfXNrCer1510RxxqHQ/ytL0Y4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb5047a2be6797 Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Canley Classics has a very good rotoflex conversion kit available. It is for road going cars, though, not racing. I have put them in two GT6's , a 70 + and 72 mkIII with very good results-- Go to canleyclassics.com-- Jay D -----Original Message----- From: LimeyV8 To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:27 pm Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 16:14:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7ED2D0A4E for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2812D0343 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=PMy_cdzf5N4A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CsV8X2P9lgkR1KMkqVIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=FXLSPIJfNss/Zw1CXsBq9w==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.171] ([10.127.132.171:51264] helo=cdptpa-web20-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id DD/8B-17657-6A3B7405; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:18:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:18:46 -0400 From: To: fot@autox.team.net, LimeyV8@aol.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe yes on the CV joints and definitely you can install Datsun 240Z-280Z axles. Datsun Z car axles are an easy conversion although not CV joints. A CV joint conversion for the Datsun 510 is available. Since 510 axles are similar to Z car axles then one might assume the 510 CV joint conversion would fit a GT6.....maybe! Bob ---- LimeyV8@aol.com wrote: > Greetings Amici > > Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles > on a 69 GT6+? > > Thanks > Jack Mc > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 16:17:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC14B2D0B14 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D3D82D0A28 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2012 20:26:52 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2012 20:26:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2012 20:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8990 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2012 20:26:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346876812; bh=urlxFmoa3CtmHIsbNTaW4CdXetQDvtBg4Oe5X1tcMpY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xC3Plxj/5KlRqVrmXCd4+MwI8aic90pmyMoKHPMLb54/36uA0RKhq0b2AelTiBAj2xL8iddV8FiEm8c1z/KD4X+qD0x16jcNoxX/f869QEjl8erDB1xVss0Q3bp/l2ztyfr6KYb+a1t33N1GNEGw0A0S06QieT72u1mShiM3/KU= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bolyuSFO13inQgysqkfa/nzXeT0E0btP1OhvSHeHM0TBkDk1fYcVkKBgT1Ot4NvTplLo2WLvYZi/KBLoKHvaWkGiCNFmp2nh8HfjcBgrLUpJG0h2fGRckeaPDJKMTHyniAOPmEVQcTftR9yvePXZyuc2r4sTPYUwEjL27k+Ubm0=; 7WWVzf7JV_v8tNLabxkJL.NQwhKETlO8OA676nd6LFZuDppO3xVv7wG4RSzB l_XHJNQkIn1_xSGl34kUodW6f14VbQzbu6McLYuR1yvlCZzE1cKTrHVXGbyo H_dn2Tl40WMqK_.rK5dTdwCyGoIsIccUHVqiJbaoGWtOiNsD6yGwSe_ctVfg _bKZ5pPCISmzd_KGhJ8wXEkLosmI3sE_Nb.qw4DIvj6bDmf66xw1FChOWeoN cssy0o0pWOs.nAL_YSmgEfZRIaXjDxa248V1tHJrxvJMxYGVEGVARTkpAnBJ RhKH5FIQFW7UH5t4.zJDs4opx4AAvX2R0DKKPpPfsJKmDjG_TcWpqrhrr2zX 29QQFyI_sltCV1TRyilW0C4ePRxlywGr1VNwDJhU3q77HHN6TQPROoiFLAJw sEDs7ea4u5lRh7l.3IGrNdY4B2xdS_JDyAXzvOTHCzldw5C.R9rNvUdsrYGd HufBtLoRUCG3dnZWT5RzIHliHr83q3yRoea3AwRVVGFxX8zG0bjkTInkhpXI 21LoC2..wf7PHbB.lbtbC Received: from [68.248.73.137] by web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:26:51 PDT References: <001f01cd8b90$eec63110$cc529330$@aero> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Mitchell To: Robert MacKenzie , 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Check with Ted at TSI. I bought mine from him. ________________________________ From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'FOT List' Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold I am looking for a dual 1.25 inch SU manifold for a 1296 engine. Anybody have one they want to sell? I just need the manifold but will take a full set of carbs if the price is right. Thanx Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 16:28:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A252D09F0 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063FF2D0A6E for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:52:04 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1346878481; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=66MPtajWQR6IRXWW8CkobX7+9m0=; b=aR1lnVEHGzO942uK3ttUt/3NJyZ2QcLtKHXh5HRqWgqkgDucnuesenY+a2WeGhXw i/yVgVZGg/3NQNmswfkBolMTxXvPZy85Syv/LgrVsjOyDWuUmkIwowZqdwk0EjND; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=QZIydeDpqd8A:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=PMy_cdzf5N4A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=2XmT9RBUVc-LIWOEsqMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 Received: from [10.50.3.117] ([10.50.3.117:58236] helo=md23.embarq.synacor.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39797/39798)) with ESMTP id 13/F5-26350-11CB7405; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:54:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: William T newman To: LimeyV8@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mine came from Rick Cline,they have a u-joint on each end. Canley Classics also makes them with a CV joint on the outboard end. Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: LimeyV8@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6+ rotoflex axle alternative? Greetings Amici Is there a readily available CV jointed alternative for the rotoflex axles on a 69 GT6+? Thanks Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 17:59:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2312D09B8 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D382D08D5 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT111-W48 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:32:53 -0700 From: Greg Petrolati To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:32:53 +0000 FILETIME=[63B3AA00:01CD8BB6] Subject: [Fot] Help! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 20:01:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF212D095F for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E573A2D0A88 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DFCA4C091 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tyi3KS5qiUzm for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CC4E4A4C084 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:36:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Public service announcement - Silverstone owners Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net For anybody running the original Triumph Silverstone wheels, I came across a guy at the Lime Rock swap meet that went to the trouble and expense to have the lug nuts reproduced. They are beautiful. He made 10 sets each in 3/8ths (Spitfire) and 7/16ths (Big TR) studs. He is selling 9 sets at his cost, not cheap, but you could never manufacture 16 wheel lugs with washers for $182. He also had some original Nokof screw on spinners, ready to get rechromed. I had never seen a set for sale before. Email me off list for the guy's contact info. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 20:05:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7C32D0AF1 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA1E2D09BA for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q860eej5022287; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:40:40 -0400 Received: from core-mte004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.77]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD4ACE00008B; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) References: To: greenman62@hotmail.com, fot@autox.team.net From: billdentin@aol.com Received: from 76.199.166.239 by webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.8) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:40:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346892040; bh=JZZ5nQS/G8cvydOgIWRkdz7uZ1iYwGmcctkvDA5ZfFk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PMoGa2EQKNM51XyQWtM94PvZBuDSgUh3nHVwEQQ/AdLQVzSSwgbEUqCa4o38Ph/Iw fPGOtBCEBP0ujxdhJEAJ8FLreo8Zl1jZtE2t1ID2tZ1sbqk4GFiVh6zBe7WIqztrhj /Oyfn1dmVyfTVX3ERmvDf/jnbO8LdYQxiphiKG1k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b5047f10761d2 Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It oesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. Boy! That last part is going to be tough. Bill (damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 20:06:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D262E2D0B5C for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AE72D0A06 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8611CvZ027555; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:01:12 -0400 Received: from [10.7.209.46] (mobile-198-228-198-065.mycingular.net [198.228.198.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id C3989E00008E; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:01:11 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Christopher Bock Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:01:07 -0400 To: Greg Petrolati x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1346893272; bh=Z082BTVFn22NTxNUxGUh39+f78wRSPpOH4rLJq6Mt1o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=OxP6sL2ar9iyiFTYA05vcXVJD7QuM0yAsWM0fqbRLrplaGZ0xM4ZwBSJbU3z7De6V CcjPQSYVH8J+7mZI73sfxYuCClQ5TIIg0K7AHbwHxLoTpQt92FjINX7cvkCpmNLUyY 9EvrPdTSkhdTZuRXU202tjqP7vjaF+u/BkdAyTB8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29055047f5d704a1 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are they the same as a spitfire? I think I have one or two. Chris On Sep 5, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Greg Petrolati wrote: > I'm looking for a Panel Light Rheostat Switch #129768... for a TR4-4a. It > doesn't have to be pretty but in has to work. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 6 08:51:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06262D0861 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0502D08FF for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 07:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so942468qcs.14 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 06:21:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=I3wY4vkv6t38yQ6iUsCT4N/VfqWX4PtzL+/3hJhoP2E=; b=nNq7lwePLeE1IGdj/FhZHXaVfrFavZAu0vbe8toFYMq039VP9ufCQskXF6d8YPS3eK lYQQOCRZJARjULBCoj5MkfsTpJcdoQ99EEgJJ9faK0EK5wqBUbMQbRnCTOHKZYibPLtk cOgpz61GexWcy1QdGUEOJvtxnaprR3sXgA4cyjb819uVAHeknJVWfG0FuIa4KbP3SqQg uivLrD0M6yOtctDtEHg+Ox4pO9QGo/H/W3eyJSjY5VLtxrwxIAXN/fjikZW9OIx5q8TV rKf9+EGRbhXCu14+UiJUf710ivP3OaTaOZVlvLEyWUaYpTWg8gD+1DwNY8svHjUyYknw cLbw== Received: by 10.224.202.136 with SMTP id fe8mr4223884qab.17.1346937664028; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 06:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.73.231 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 06:21:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <1a843.62b481a0.3d77a17b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 08:21:04 -0500 From: tom strange To: BillDentin@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival XXVII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net bummer!!! I'll see you over the weekend ... still working on the car, but may have to compete for that primo spectator spot ... On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > Amici... > > This past week end, when we went to replace a head gasket blown on Bob > Wismer's TR4 at Grattan Raceway, we discovered the #1 sleeve had two top to > bottom cracks in it. God knows how the piston and other stuff down below > looks. > We'll find out this winter, when the engine is scheduled for a rebuild. > Bob got lots and lots of nice race miles out of this engine, but it did > quit > one event too early. Apparently you cannot combust water. > > So Bob will be crewing for me, and we'll be in our usual, grandfather'd > Road America spot across from the entrance to the False Grid. This XXVII > edition marks Bob's first miss. I've run them all. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange1300@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 7 11:24:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D585B2D05C2 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.pem.dotster.com (mail5.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144382D0347 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:41:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1934 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2012 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zap6) (list@mackenzie.aero@[70.253.69.133]) by 72.5.54.239 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2012 16:44:43 -0000 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT List'" Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:44:32 -0500 thread-index: Ac2Ljl/ch4rnmBbcSWWcrm+zpq5GiQAGQGjAAAPjiPAAHCuuAAA0+ZggAAcZnhA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] FW: Looking for a Spitfire SU [1.25] manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I found what I needed. Thanx FOT Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) Robert AT mackenzie DOT aero _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 14:24:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5FB2D0657 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7F22D0652 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q88KMWC9008374; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:22:32 -0400 Received: from core-mgc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.9]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 61D2EE000089; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:22:32 -0400 (EDT) References: To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Timothy Suddard Received: from 64.134.71.202 by webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:22:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:22:32 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347135752; bh=NY3D6GSfbVLG3Kmx2nP94wYUfQD6CgCvkj6bzjhwR4E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hfV6vPVyX2wU/bPnxStw61CBQroYqsJL0ja+9GzT2KSMzYyzNvrculMRejhxP18kk CkiPBSqa4rEWDjd8cE4x7wGiIpiL/HH0ZEcUNh/rOniqUnuHuO1HoVbjJvjox/pC1u EFWaz85AjzKI/Uq7n5zhg61fhKCCxCI4I0wEjR0g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d504ba908401a Subject: Re: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, it was good seeing my fellow Triumph fans and what a great weekend. That Healey drove a tough race. We'll have a full report in the next issue of Classic Motorsports. Tim Suddard -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 6:35 am Subject: [Fot] Glory Still Exists - Lime Rock Yesterday was a fantastic day for Triumph fans to be spectating at Lime Rock, two overall wins! Bill Warner had a great race in the Group44 TR6, where the first 3 slots on the grid were him and 2 Spitfires. Bill showed his stuff with in heavy traffic to get by Dave Gussak's Spitfire to regain the lead for the win. Tim Suddard lead flag to flag with a Healey 100 filling his mirror waiting to capitalize on any mistake, but Tim drove a flawless race. Way to go, guys! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 14:40:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CC12D06BE for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1692D065E for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q88KcgcX016243 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:38:42 -0400 Received: from core-mgc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.9]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EDA5EE000081 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Timothy Suddard Received: from 64.134.71.202 by webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:38:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347136722; bh=iMPVvybSP1d5ZYoOBsSgyzjMJHThUsD0WYA/TLE526Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SlkTPhiYiMjCp3gmtFwdGUEOI5Ayd6OOXaZpuUJ8Ub5StjtXTrL58MzZghYzaA+Ik an/gSDywTTimEFVtwSGkeoUFDrI6Gb3JShq7zQhSFnlVhwNqZkC8lkGj11za7vM0LI Q3fcUJHu6S8jsiuE14kiuzj9NXQmQJhw0crAvVbs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949504bacd15ed2 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 8 15:12:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3462D0363 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D4F2D05D1 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:09:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.235.132.90] (143.sub-174-252-144.myvzw.com [174.252.144.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q88LCQV7018853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:12:29 -0400 References: <1345662216.49444.YahooMailNeo@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CF5C19113E4633-1C80-39B92@webmail-stg-d14.sysops.aol.com> From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:12:25 -0400 To: Timothy Suddard reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Go TR3's! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Timothy Suddard wrote: > The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing > my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how > much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the > GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually > and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring > and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type > experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to > know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are > pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did > most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris crisenbery > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD > > > Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 > > I didn't see if that included any buyers > premiums or not. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 16:15:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9532C0CA0 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 16:15:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D6812C0C8A for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 16:10:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2012 22:13:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.218] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2012 22:13:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2012 22:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 61041 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2012 22:13:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347228803; bh=KrXucjSL4AmEyG+HND9Y1IPQfLfASjbE1R9GTYeUz+0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1xKr8znt2WTLzGszE7QxMh/9rh/wwwmyl3VEkMVpqmcldVis3a5MWBGyzZVIQoZVvtPknJvo7VR2Psgmq/IvbY4Loz0nQk5GlvXq6ytBgROYlaLEBJd9uBRq+YLd0szOlBlJlsL9t/3E7CKrnDycLWV5ECiDXbuw6HTrew2BFP8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=luEE6cWunnHwqfKyd7W/Y37u45C3WVZ8I5Vfpkv/5Vex/wxwgKfy0sJAR6uPDdC/trnlCV8iGcRtq5jN6KyEDAgZ0ZgQ9jjxYxi+wXcykLTceG8egNEefwPuVI5s3gVNT0vqUru3MajbfJIu2XjGMTIPIts+AjuCqoWsB1741UQ=; XtpczAuSCDEJyJToj4ctSuNIVgBlO2VmFR9h_6WUOjy..0Uo8i0E1uOVjUnq 9agS8cJ0AKWzQyr54AGeTGFw8Bk2FkTZYT0hcLfvC8w346dfJ_GouMeSaUpq qFZ0mnZRVE4e4eeM7jmaWK89LxfwZmc6blF72REU99OOIOksMNqdW0z5AMVJ 3NjuFEDfVBxm9U9K5t5RnedLMJzOXnB88yxfgOGINmpZA28qSHqZsut6.EsP 4BYNNSLMFz0C5pEOqeFdc2xMLMS847GEJu6D_ohPLJmfjH_OvCitr6eqzemL qwLdUnjE3ypAfMLfh7BO.TvYVauRiKOcKLLnJLcYYsSP.Wr943ogvm3cwrgr 4f_qxYK2rJjOXoi5x__v4zQmnccR8VOrpqauPxExwcuyqm4B3D4eScoraznA Tmv7Rz8CWUFAx2_Tysi0RrJkWIQ-- Received: from [99.71.100.143] by web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 15:13:23 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Morter To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dear invaluable Triumph friends, Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. In mourning.... Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 17:35:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64A52C0CBC for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 17:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175202C0C15 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 17:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.251.164.245] (16.sub-174-228-73.myvzw.com [174.228.73.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q89NWxQ3019627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:33:02 -0400 References: <1347228803.60819.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: John Hasty Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:32:57 -0400 To: Guy Morter a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=PaqKa9L5aY1ELIXiF7AAWQ==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Hr0ekAzg--RIVR54OLgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=UBcK2CNxgDAA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=PaqKa9L5aY1ELIXiF7AAWQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You might give Vernon Brannon, Charlotte, a call. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Guy Morter wrote: > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 13:11:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1798F2D0168 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17AC2C6CD1 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:11:17 -0600 (MDT) a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=jIEDF4hFRnNZ8ewd6O0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=VG70xfsRMOoA:10 a=IV1OewcHuh0vX72QzIkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:49549] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F3/E4-17584-30C3E405; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:14:11 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:14:09 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs Thread-Index: Ac2PiHRYPLHUOz5uQDWcqgZVlokiYg== Subject: [Fot] Part need Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4@wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 16:00:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918BB2C0D4A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609C32C0D2E for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:00:12 -0600 (MDT) a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ne3c2RUlPjQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=jkC07BihiFDctoaYMtEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=VG70xfsRMOoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=vczo9BW_L88CxN42:21 a=uMMLhsnw19_HIIDt:21 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:50804] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/E6-01394-B936E405; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:03:07 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:03:05 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs Thread-Index: Ac2PiHRYPLHUOz5uQDWcqgZVlokiYgAF3YnQ Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all, Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! How does one lose a part like this anyway???? Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Part need All, I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am missing a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they are the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph # 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater amount of bend in it. If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from you for a fair price! Thanks much Steve Yott 262-997-0701 tr4@wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 16:12:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A302C09E4 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E27F2C0D4A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xV2L1j0061eYJf8A1a7aL9; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:07:34 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xa7Y1j00Y2vctGa01a7YVU; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:07:33 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: , References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:07:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Part need Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hope you didn't bolt it on somewhere else(:-)! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Part need > Thanks all, > Irv has one in his garage so I am good now! > > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:14 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Part need > > All, > > I have done a part inventory for my TR 5A project (AKA TR250) and am > missing > a front suspension arm &%#)(*&@^@ Yep, the only part that I can't find is > $100.00 at Moss and it's just not worth that kind of money!! > > What I am looking for is the Front, Upper A-Arm for a TR4A - TR6 as they > are > the same. This is Moss part number 661-050, Vicky Brit # 5-273 and Triumph > # > 133504. Side does not matter but it is the upper arm with the greater > amount > of bend in it. > > If anyone has one lying around I would be very willing to purchase it from > you for a fair price! > > Thanks much > > Steve Yott > 262-997-0701 > tr4@wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 16:13:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6BE2C0364 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD542C0D41 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:13:30 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:13:29 -0700 Thread-Topic: El Kablamo! Thread-Index: Ac2PoYHMPHcrJF1NSci7b9y0rprGLw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 16:18:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621F72C0CC2 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029952C0CB1 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xWMz1j01A1afHeLA1aMbZW; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:21:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xaMZ1j00U4L5TyG8daMaN5; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:21:35 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: tr4@wi.rr.com Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:21:33 -0600 References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Part need Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 1) by putting it in a really special place so you can find it when you need it 2) by needing it now 3) by failing to buy another one so that the original shows up Take your choice. They all seem to work for me. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steve Yott wrote: > How does one lose a part like this anyway???? > > Steve Yott _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 18:13:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A1C2D016A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA872C04A1 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so1916229qcs.14 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:09:30 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7Z4YHV286ke7jSXgBM7lIIdgGJVOTnG7T+QV4i6ZnvI=; b=NthUeu2KIzFHal1CH+1/a8V3yJJvQKYmv6yTu8wIBIoswAdu6zlH+3J5OuL7k+f+47 L/hFjK4JOGrtiSOqlhuNct6+NYDt87ghp2BmQtUKsLv54aN46p9jzDcnjTthZHTJ1s0M I1AsqFuzIm0eP8Dfy6/V00Im+NBqAyS4+Wa02ciDP/xGrcSM7LUWAnvv1mJQZlrl1aG6 VAwBB0VUSGhY1sz/5RmIeQ8aN+8WwBCzoYJaX9JodJt+CFLwnd2T0DjYVsM0Hvu8bMgd rDO9LY9G8s2Z7uUMzYAPq3/5jltIXsTWnlVC3danFtcU6Bgyr6GI/KY5ul5ibLtGkDTu DVyg== Received: by 10.224.179.18 with SMTP id bo18mr16997537qab.81.1347318919984; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:15:19 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Edward Dunn Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] El Kablamo! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Edward Dunn wrote "after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded" "Don't quite know what we'll do now..." Ed, That is terrible news. I am so sorry to here you have had such a tough time with your GT6. I have been surprised to here all the disappointing news about these motors lately. We have had lots of things go Kablamo in these cars over the years but the 1998cc motors have always been very reliable. I'm not sure what I can do to keep you hanging in there... but am happy to share any info you might need. Sad and Sorry, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 18:14:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C872D01AB for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69EC2C04A1 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969A62E01E for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:14:26 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: "F.O.T." References: <62.E6.01394.B936E405@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Part need Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >> How does one lose a part like this anyway???? >> I just put it on a shelf in my garage. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 18:18:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C6C2D0137 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:18:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136302C04A1 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 18:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8B0LVAh005101 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:31 -0400 Received: from core-mgd002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.239.5]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5FE3EE000089; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) References: <1133d.848daf5.3d7d0baf@aol.com> To: Gt6steve@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Timothy Suddard Received: from 184.42.7.108 by webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.103) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347322891; bh=CB9KzuFk4h94SD2Rswvw8TbVQvzJt++sB3C74wcdJ3o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vzXyi6bLHl3mAnvb94ommMhC0xZlqFQsLwXs7NVJj0em6ROjrcq3h+duHrahyCQv5 Acbzu68g/a/VtOB0eKooe8BJZH++CoCNasTmXLboTlFR3/xTkVgw4BXnhrd9vTqY5a R04lqokxWokKviWeN9UqcoE53GPU/N+orRk56uUA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc504e840a1aa4 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't found out yet who got it. Been too busy racing the TR3. I will find out though. -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: grmtim ; fot Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD So did it go to one of us or will it be stuffed in a dusty museum garage somewhere? Or are you at liberty to say?? In a message dated 9/8/2012 1:43:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grmtim@aol.com writes: The $55,000 did include buyer's premium. I wasn't thrilled, but after racing my TR3 at Lime Rock and having a blast this past weekend, it reminded me how much fun racing a car you are comfortable in can be. I didn't fit well in the GT6, and trying to keep two race cars running was wearing me down spiritually and financially. I made out okay, had a heck of a good time finding, restoring and writing about the car. It also offered me several bucket list type experiences, like running Monterey, winning at Amelia Island and getting to know Kas, Bob Tullius and the rest of the Group 44 team. Fortunately, GT6s are pretty cheap to restore, the car was in good shape to begin with and we did most of the work ourselves, so I didn't have a ton in it. -----Original Message----- From: chris crisenbery To: fot Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT-6 SOLD Checked RM Results Sold for $55,000 I didn't see if that included any buyers premiums or not. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grmtim@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 06:53:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F94D2D01C6 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 06:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 928752CFCF5 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 06:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 12:56:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.202] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 12:56:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 12:56:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9623 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 12:56:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347368189; bh=BAh6IDZmho3wFqowGBG0khrAnaGdFgXpDSMr7KqNhaA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jMXfkcJrZz86ak+bZ3QaQ5rptVo+XvRBPw1JOKGnMwCOIlo4DCkt3a7fQKFbIhAnxfmqazCMT31T8zy6ZVxrf3w0cQ4ArtKdMkFmc0gG7gJbu4CcU0P9fwxrCqmNfAlVSCKBDfQVRGqkV+E77XDjmOdGHuHmDYr9WjTheIvH8ek= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VyA+DLEO8BdQ73p2wBJXLMWM3v6q5l9y1TX28cICQxxgvTr+QnrVkUSJxQZd8C9YnyEYEIyZ47daI8D3qHSvX6c3o2DIHSdLU7+hQoovmZeWU52FtN2bYcI4OkX1GsMBdxLDAffJRafjoQ/uvBggNo9cD3lCT8Zho57o2VV573A=; .E_O56LoG9MYy3NwgywQ2Tcz_qgTBthm58C5aOHANj_NFm32hyd6fiQiX3MD mSMUDqz.d5LHiVDy_8UuNBBmRHZxlUJT61sd0LxTx5LiO_sfIT8RfSszhjp3 VsPKKOyVifDjMIuHnZM2muMVVfiiWdupBP4rVxDgLkqaOmL0pPHU_7pafoc2 PNmApqy07bGDr1L.uz3Yvq6pK5p2yet53tw6PXdzgmjvHLcIw04xypY7G9lV cOmz6lf5zjM89oIAnzKJhLeoM6LPBPdIpYmOuQsHfjfRtRLZTbNKE9JqjSpP 0SiiEviNCvcfr_micheh2jM4NC1H9RXLyRrLxYplLtErR8VqFaSk2Vqg1vBF d5_rUSYenoTbSeCzRWyvUV3sjUnQPMXHUM_TOtw02fiDuno.TcOpkJxCXM1h VWjdzSmNriXqnfJTWOkPfN7_bTzU8Efjt9tvmeZt1sTSqpqs.wtedPhjpsr8 8dd1X01lvvyAFX48tL6WRJRGM8tJKGxu86JNO6oGfEGdLMl0qM2PRs5o- Received: from [99.71.100.143] by web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:56:29 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Morter To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR3 parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that offered help. I will be traveling for the next few days and will reply to all then. Guy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 9/9/12, Guy Morter wrote: > From: Guy Morter > Subject: [Fot] TR3 parts needed > To: fot@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 10:13 PM > Dear invaluable Triumph friends, > Another kiss off the concrete (turn 13 at RA ELVF) has put > me in the awkward position of again looking for a chassis > and front body parts. I guess a good chassis is highest on > the list followed by a nose and LF fender. Maybe a LF inner > as well. I haven't torn it appart yet. > In mourning.... > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 09:07:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568AC2D0200 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B5A22D01B8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.114] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 15:04:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 15:04:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 7291 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 15:04:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347375897; bh=mgPc/dj23lajPBsMy4veGK3D7oXAsywHFu8IgtntRpQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GtsVf4foxoV/MXtW7B00jSBSCmGEg5CIr/bQygfX4/QSWq4TyHM7bJTbfwcbPljUIpP6S19wcZaEbHfdmk0r5WXNyIDkTVGRU8keEsKfzfk3ClTPVORCY8snCcucBWVIzFNJtlVGhPsuq94aW7jW+VlFC4x642pvqKYm9JwNVso= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ru8xrD8+GUeeiBwoux4jQvEJiWffSso40aNkxDZIZHfxu2SBJUY9iGqRWvHrTVyCKG4HEDJQU5vebd/uw+k55lGXs8pWWwz6ZRrhYF6Q0KUtSwN5igS+ss34QLMmYYXutqlECfLQBd+/jba/0Ri4r0ynH6ghAstjDgbasNeTM/g=; AgQjXQc92pf2zu4HKpWo8xW3MUc3SdAGDeKvMeVzEQVzvzQa2D6hsZd_TQ1r J6W7yopjqje7OfYqWk63Mg3fsk1pTy_PtIvSlxRpo4l19D8PJXpezvnMwob5 6VlPHrCnQ.43z236hIIphyQBY3.yC3pkVx_hdcBvsgrJDBTFQbYbzC4tm2gv k_mS6x51N6v4Fcz1c1sAu0wG4.6l7vCIm6J5sDtzwKzMTuyJUkCLk_9aYwdp 34GMB0aJf_y4aLaXb6G.hl9uQ5V4ZuIW1dGTTfI.FLvirS5wZv9KKcJTScOU xwlIfHBlrQ_ziwlmw_a64bUeghCFpSyWOsTF13sqigyJcmXETjWRcpkXp3gk RRM0gU.IWCsMPXgGtxet3KfPFhS_tQpEtXwgxEdB_01gpapY08iUvQflxvJq e.3pC_Og88kMVHxzOR7LdP_tXbICBJX0XNpZ5u0BVOtOE22F6xSNjMd8- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:04:57 PDT References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177227F39D7@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Edward Dunn Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] El Kablamo! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net dang Edward... for a minute I thought one of my posts had re-emerged with the saga of a blown up engine in a GT6.... then I realized I've never had to evacuate the fire bottle system.. bummer.... I feel your pain... 2 years in a row April 2011 and April 2012 (The Mitty) I experienced the same catastrophe .... I won't be racing vintage in April 2013... that I know of... takes the giggle out of the effort... we all know... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Edward Dunn To: "fot@autox.team.net" Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 5:16:13 PM Subject: [Fot] El Kablamo! We went racing this past weekend at the VARA Oktoberfest, @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park in the sweltering San Joaquin Valley. My wife's Formula V performed flawlessly as did our Spitfire which our son in law drove in his very first race. He did very well, now just has to learn how to RACE... I attempted to run our GT6, but after a couple easy laps, she let go. In the first full-on GO lap the engine grenaded quite spectacularly. 7000 RPM, good oil pressure, and then: loud noise, cockpit fills with smoke/steam, I shut off master electrical and pull off track. Still smoking so pull fire handle and bail out, trotting off to a safe distance. Fortunately the fire bottle worked, and the thing didn't totally burn to the ground. Just a small paint-ruining oil fire, caused by engine oil exiting a large hole blasted in the side of the block. This after a "complete race rebuild" a few months ago. We got ONE good race weekend out of it, next time out a rocker arm welded itself to the rocker shaft because of insufficient oiling. Engine builder didn't install set screw to keep rocker shaft lined up with oil passage in rocker pedestal. Got it all back together, (my dime & labor...) and now this. Sheesh! Don't quite know what we'll do now... Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 09:07:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4272D026B for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA5F72C0D03 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.7] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 15:08:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29088 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 15:08:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347376097; bh=q6kbfWFcsNKBwuPgSqqn1BVsdaijr7J7DzHzN4VoKvA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3ecF6CUOWpOdp9dkLx8ZXYlE+VkcbJysSg0Bog2EGwCv/aDw75p67/Hv+79LFGgO7Go5nvBeN4qWfdwO09zjYr3IPiYGQiFsJ+sPtJSSD0/d2j3QL1xPnTAhJquLFRCMv4DMzsVftIjYCTKU9m+QaCiNkp6AEF+8AYc12LgQCV4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LV9l7W5VU20Byd1TArFhNbx5mrqnvcYycEXZJa2ka99gCFYukncepyn+jdsRLmTHiCzC65D7OPyWlJYd+Yz/rHGorZJjJJ4DVqtl/s6KTMDUz1XorOSq7LSiVCeSsRrMPz3EEbULCW2jXEEOsFBtPYe7lrs30u/9kVwLu2WlO0I=; s15JH.RTpHdkxsbFfddRIJ9oijkqETqH2Z03lFL.vWBn4xES81GFKBB6aag7 wFYMmChYvQhCTNiZUWCnKW6hbOgT2.Atv0Yv4NBwT.1HzHfnKqD6aRMPVtit 4sur4tGwV9JjNeaWIGA82MOfEwxtJG_G0Y79ZRRKAsDjoMY9Tq1EJIF6oi7t XCtsbF2pGe0GpwKqPkVM_x_HZihksaFAcdZoG26vQBxFQjov0hqeIB3eEB23 nH62ow51aRkCSKt52KOeY3WOs7lPrIED6sRfJ8L0iQx_sNcinouOfyQOIqAC 7t12vZ9FcO7KSmzH4AcpiPYa4GLjZjpnGx0B7i7pxKByd79vzAsO9P_pQVc0 K9Igi.gTVZK2D3L2sSNosPrh6cvbxu7gLc0p4ScP1rmXbTtPCRIAtLskGACC Jb6bjg.mGgNX8Ff8SqJA4zg-- Received: from [173.172.118.172] by web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:08:17 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Blake To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 09:22:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56EF2D0224 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAB42D01C9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so642239eek.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:23:42 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=sdoxvvT+tIopf/btzqPkEzFQHBNTw0DxNrqJ4gIpQZI=; b=h3pNFVasKAl37hYp2vhIJA7gPqf3DNSgp/WaPF1F6oPe3vaTBGgtPx/WVVP1G716cJ V0mQ4Hq8ACeWj7/HC1esp0fDPeu8c9evAyL7nGUzjnF3Tg51CBqNjk60Z8b0tE/lgyDz pDzyjTrxlUx+g9VH0Im11X6HV6ZtsrHXSc57ygcSJ/Z6qP3UhGWlwfv0EhBBz+NbgHxy lXuSk8fiMjJlaQ+8JLDddZRADpBe3N98faBYPNR0qbP0bLRlJdNlzP1OE+EmxbBAlydq gnXYelipZXm94f+fmd6EbOALt2jZNMl/s7qlMhNYYC+KpiC+RIKy5aCfSidD/O/qkypM p/5g== Received: by 10.204.148.78 with SMTP id o14mr4869629bkv.38.1347377022142; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-88-7.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.88.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c18sm9982060bkv.8.2012.09.11.08.23.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:23:35 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2QL51E9QislsHMSRi+Z3f13th64AAAT84Q Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 09:37:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272072D01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F382D01C9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BFXTxF010545; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:29 -0400 Received: from core-msc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.197]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C8200E000096; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: rblake36@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347377609; bh=WwFXtck7ZdH2IdcGzM7IJTuYQFxIMWDpaF2JnFLn1HQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qCWaez1KapVTI6ZlQnEm4sNPVxT4dTwGB2SxRGgeHJXD7B2VJwf3NhbBf4eMarfKM LSUZ/2kpmrl5BLQdJLJt0zXFia7+TJQYuYfwSiEwGqTfRbagmQYdjx/hrgLpGbKBTg J+Vy0pROQyZm7DM/70Fikf5ehwvkfMC+UH3N5530= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca504f59c81733 Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 09:38:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9314C2D0211 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AF72D0196 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8BFc8Tm018038; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:38:12 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'MadMarx'" , References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:38:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2QL51E9QislsHMSRi+Z3f13th64AAAT84QAACZinA= reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 09:53:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DFC2D01CA for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4562D01C9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BFne7A004623; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:40 -0400 Received: from core-dgd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.201]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 71E5BE00008F; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.59.66 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347378580; bh=AOkHN4o4NdNSg1RfakmSrAKjPnNlMKZP73fUNBJ3Pco=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r7xjFQdWC2Y7nibDD+cqHukapNU4x9gNqlSHvZxWPV0dHbk0Amn7YPT9OFcF6ce5v WPEr5LZPCFuMts89UJQjjSDLwv55rvxPPivYgZ1XQjfmT7zxpDYCnK24M/5HiWrW7p dSVrpP0Wsgg4DAdfE0dohIT0We5J442NKRjOyFZo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949504f5d944025 Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'MadMarx' ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We use JE pistons and rings with a clearance of 2.5 thou. Which I think is about 1/2 of a thou. Less than Chris uses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:24 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. Maybe they expand a lot. I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. The liners deform under heat and getting oval. More clearance is needed as normal. At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 10:31:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119C42D0218 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com [17.158.236.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13BD2C0CB1 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.17] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MA700LUB20N6S40@nk11p04mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:34:01 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-09-11_05:2012-09-06,2012-09-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1209110145 From: Scott Janzen Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:33:58 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Weber Carb fuel overflow Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My 40DCOE weber carbs drizzle a little fuel out the overflow and into the filters on hard, prolonged turns. I know this because i see the residue on the heat shield from where it drips though the filter, and occasionally I get a whiff of gas. Floats are set below the "stock" settings, but I assume those settings are for street cars anyway, and the settings vary depending on the application of carbs to car model. Many people seem to have the same issue, and the attitude is "that's normal". Others don't seem to have any sloshing out. Raw fuel leaking out somewhere above the exhaust never seems like a good idea, even with the heat shield in between! So, I guess the question is, should I adjust the floats down even further, or is there another correction for this? And if the answer is float adjustment, should this impact the selection of the air corrector jet and the emulsion tube, and how? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 11:13:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E938A2D0208 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEE82D01C6 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BHG5NP007609; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:05 -0400 Received: from core-dge002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dge002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.230.5]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6B61EE00008E; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> To: mmoore@wave1.net, jhhasty@gdhs.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.59.66 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347383765; bh=gpV/ZdlktbY2BU/4n2/n1JbaAM0XAGkEaeo4UCUAWu8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kMkSmjkafUMhE16d9TNbKwYZ7EUUbMENdul2XJfZzDQ+1UjDpf+5nRUzfG09CnUq2 S+vwIuuRbeQQUqpIj0LS5QCy/xWwe3+eTQSqfS/13I4KWfnMfSSAu/2h+0Wub181h3 GDlnKiy0fiAZ2gwMy7jiXluHjGVGc52Uni2MJLOQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909504f71d5759d Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, there may not be many engines running by end of season! I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are scaring the hell out of me! Mike Moore 62 TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM To: jhhasty@gdhs.com; tr4racing@googlemail.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 2.5 is not enough. As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 11:26:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2872D01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946992D0196 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so1508317obh.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=UqgBXcWBDjEa8V99kSTWnh6LVoEt8E2NK5iXPbvi2pI=; b=V3+uIvSgrFiGVGKBEv3F66ABPUnai0UwyyL9Ff87pZH+yk5hd39DAZ9+88twNsDZiQ KwW3l3Bz5GyQas/sXQTD4Yi8dyb9GtwAwbt1vw+Y8VmVnk2O9p7bkreKpcqLnZJp6mSW QDRAAEJQ3AQwPZBcDViS422cCwIoxnKTv4yKd4hndJIwCcKQkOrMc1txHTh/bGLbwpBI 2VIhQZek2Tm6fjI1GBzhHYObEWdbA4ObHcqb9hVFqu1F5hCQ4GyXLDSWSBwezvLlAjOy 7qwespjrye2vGCovT4MJWk4HNNavrl2rTDRo3OXE2rzdWchOYRZQrMb8y93Wse1CgNkq OYgw== Received: by 10.60.26.134 with SMTP id l6mr19181234oeg.40.1347384564100; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (174-14.dial.gorge.net. [209.216.174.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id th3sm16912794obb.6.2012.09.11.10.29.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:29:19 -0700 References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> To: fubog1 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not to worry Mike, start off with the simple investment in Kas' books and READ THEM. It takes a lot less time than building an engine again. If you do that and follow the suggestions you'll have an engine that lasts just fine. I pound the heck out of my engines and even when it was just my ham-handed efforts they generally lasted for years. Really, there's just a few big rules to follow: Adequate piston clearance Adequate guide clearance Keep an eye on your cam followers and the entire valve train--including springs Don't get too carried away with compression If you don't have a steel crank and good rods, keep the RPMs below 5500 Don't overheat the car On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:16 AM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty@gdhs.com; tr4racing@googlemail.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:13:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C22C2D0200 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94322D01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BIFEXV025212 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:14 -0400 Received: from core-msc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.197]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 94B50E000089 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347387314; bh=A6aZGRnHF+zgjzjphX3PRzrOnh9SP2QXJQcfoVAW0OI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s9WzU93Zox4p3pkXLR5fUf40Ewss6DQ/G1IILMzrlRjYx3Y6FmA/87h5IkA9eA6+p VHOlhaNHZhOEBApa5uYNOvLYYqamdJfG9JVvwMc3+YflEfI0NtOrMO1DXKYCK59VU6 gRRNoc26MfjLVv4vNQGjkz6F5vUDAxkizbyfUDpE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a504f7fb14e36 Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT REGALIA: STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:13:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274AF2D0207 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3F12D0222 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so1601171obh.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=tYQ0JWIqE/RDONQW1JjLPOEdwTfQ6+Wym2hIEMpkk0M=; b=Nkgh8/sc2TCt2BgM5asIgM74CobdMlQMe4H2RbJdBsXcKHD06mb67nEIy2RrL3J+k+ unZ2zdzSiUvOrYUihJI8cpRY0e8hgA17vEZnzMOEbzdnx2mR0AVmoHKggC79Ey3QYN/d 93t0l84l0owtFwa0JJ1N8kXoV3Y76hljXmh8LwL9aUPVHUcviIoyJme9k/w5VzclXQy3 oZVpme4QBHNguzsFLuL4AMn+ZdCR1jT+b5mOkPhVYQqMOpCnKC5rppy2yFjR0GprXk6w x3zCuTWTrNaXD0wq5DuwWMnAxriocf13T7oHtGWIw4tazBiKbAY5V95WlwTA9crqx/Ij WyJw== Received: by 10.182.231.6 with SMTP id tc6mr19253549obc.63.1347387394060; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (client-69.170.103.221.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9sm13498754oee.12.2012.09.11.11.16.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:16:24 -0500 References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: " of" Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, Piers told me about the excitement. What a shock that must have been, and at a pretty fast part of the track, too (well before the turn-in point for turn 7, I hope? Kinda 100 mph-ish there...) Regarding the piston scuffing issue, I'm betting you've already got inadequate coolant flow ruled out. The two possibilities that come to mind are: 1) an intake air leak only on #4 intake tract and 2) a bent rod. 1) Have you tried viewing temperatures at different points on the header and surface of the engine block and head using an infrared thermometer? A look at the exhaust header temp for each individual branch ought to tell you if one cylinder is running leaner than the others. If all four pipes are indicating similar temperatures I'd suspect oiling or a clearance issue. I'm assuming you're doing plug cuts in the absence of an EGT gauge and probe or exhaust gas analyzer. How are you performing your plug cuts? I have found that the results are not clear if I don't put in a new plug at the very start of a hard acceleration pull, with next to no idle time and no part-load driving time. 2) If the connecting rod is bent, the #4 piston could be cocked (as seen from the side of the engine). If so, the scuffing would be on a side where the wrist pin hole is. If you're going to pull the piston and rod it's easy enough to check the rod for trueness. Is it possible to install a rod backwards, causing the small end to force the piston against the front or rear of the bore? That might also exert asymmetric pressure on the big end rod bearing -- how does the bearing look? Is the scuffing at 90 degrees to that, on the thrust side? If so, one possibility is lack of oil. It may be that somehow oil isn't getting thrown up to the bottom of the piston in #4 only, causing it to run hotter. You could bore a couple of tiny lubrication holes below the lowest movement limit of the oil ring, where oil could get to the skirt, but not having an engine open at the moment, I can't visualize how you might pressure-feed this. Is the overbore you mentioned equivalent to the piston-to-cylinder wall clearances? Duncan Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Robert Blake wrote: > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that > we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in > the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, > and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from > within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is > a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:28:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4862D0214 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C132C0A3C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BIRopJ027564 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:50 -0400 Received: from core-mte004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.77]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1340DE000085; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) To: n197tr4@cs.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347388070; bh=GoC4FRoFRTXp5CMi/+kXpY1wIRIgVMZ2sG7FcbZjSss=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gwg820+BkybFqBKd9VYxZTF49QodtDL51qFIa6HmjtV7377X3TW3tlNVJ7+uK/gx8 vj1+Jj1iPXKOAhyVTxziqjV0JeUSmR4Vm6owPqYa6CDmHNznJSNbafJjoyi6saYYrb gH4k7k57JElbD2tQ8ZVWWI921We8ktsT/mbs1WUc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2949504f82a618c5 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:32:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265EB2D01FC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580312D01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:35:49 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: "BillDentin@aol.com" , "n197tr4@cs.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:35:47 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Thread-Index: Ac2QS6g0CgLlN1mKTE2B7baGvFf0CwAAItog References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pay pal makes it easy. Edward Dunn Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc. 1611 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road, Suite C San Marcos, CA 92078 800-509-1904 x.12 Made In America Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:28 AM To: n197tr4@cs.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily > sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:44:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908272D01FE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8082D01D9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oagj6 with SMTP id j6so578677oag.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:42:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1aJbzxTVNq200NYLNbEo+s0GPPJJK2ri3qVpLazJUUk=; b=lXi6cjlrdlJSaGT2Jn4BvXWj4mfx/L7w/V4M76hAyYYHWN+HUufZbybS+E9vbZQBd1 Q7rms+Z70O9ddOkb7NfouTrlIs+17WZZnLWUjnTwDdQ+tvNCO4xJyg9oxbT7/l4a5PhB fJMwKbl5YE6cyDSXXmtoX1NExBRi6UsTphABKjOCzMc6oaEkwxxXc1uV1yYNoylRBmy1 HDy8tDvWLnPT6ONx02wGZLMT6KBcVNN6fQK8Fr64zxFvctu32NPZugClEXY+vsv5YS8p HK3/gKbU9DjXZ7jxUmA693qySUBVGHAm7ZGnvEy084on0MgsRgB3VH14B09kJ3RLlqK6 fkmA== Received: by 10.60.12.8 with SMTP id u8mr19423882oeb.46.1347388964929; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.12.232 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 -0400 From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty@gdhs.com; tr4racing@googlemail.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:47:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83DF2D021A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBCE2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so836109eek.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:50:20 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=d7WslyJCCgjx2J3F+Zc5oz94xJ/e6xKJ2UeE2z8QZH0=; b=m+LyjRjCoUH85USDMvmB0KjZ9Loehl9bawzzGQ47zUUYZhqZHv2VYE54IE/elkt75U nkZXRRhk/WentkHT/wgQHgEbVTeOtCrPdiraA9hCCShKl4lz9zUJsobWPjlWZjR4Hl8A eZsnT0yVWTRg6hJN0uTkeLFQd6emqoCTIwVHxN+VnvQ3uPPdZYqO1h9w4LpSVNIKP64O IDpAsmFdGNSAxuL1SiahuMqkkqxdF2dTIouUGdFO16TM+STaCw3jfU3GplyRK9yQAANn f/SQY6XWEmD2u3aTyWDGlTGTpjF2moVhkgfxuCHpXCGW85uePzkysXgDbr72DQwtV2qA x5RA== Received: by 10.14.184.133 with SMTP id s5mr27316470eem.31.1347389420445; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.173 (bda-178-239-83-176.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u47sm49468572eeo.9.2012.09.11.11.50.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Styduhar" ,"fubog1" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:17 +0000 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All maths are right. I run Mahle forged pistons. They are very fragile and light. About 380gr incl rings and wrist pin. They have long skirts Mahle suggested 0.06mm but I didn't dare that. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:44 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Moore > To: 'fubog1' ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:06 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > As an inexperienced newcomer with my TR4 next year, (I never heard of > piston > skirts scuffing the cylinder liners, at least not in my stock TR4), it > would > seem to me that we should have the Kastner Cup as the first race of season, > there may not be many engines running by end of season! > > I knew vintage racing would have its share of breakdowns, but you guys are > scaring the hell out of me! > > > Mike Moore > > 62 TR4 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of fubog1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50 AM > To: jhhasty@gdhs.com; tr4racing@googlemail.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > 2.5 is not enough. > As Chris has said, the wet-liner engines need more. > I set them to at least 3 1/2 thou. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 13:15:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B3F2D0196 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB242D01EF for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BJHImC024944 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:18 -0400 Received: from core-msc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.197]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 00324E000095; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) References: <108b6.7a2f67bc.3d80dca5@aol.com> To: BillDentin@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347391038; bh=Jdc62z39X08HS86gG7skwevfopzqpuURgduICOmiRFY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ehPfe1x54vyBjc5l+1rp9LAAFWfKzEa36TQjH1vveUlKUucD9lb98U/2UhLUUvWqN gzIHE3dm35L5//iCXqBvLCvdxpmH4vPOTJBAzP6z5AumPywfVgFm1K44Qt9CJLKB52 D6Wy1fmwZ0a79aob5zB08DW5qlID2zR4WUSfK7oU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b504f8e3d5358 Subject: [Fot] .VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING now TREASURER for 2013 kcup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the proposal, Bill, Some things to consider: I am trying back away from some of this stuff. I hate accepting those generous donations....it is frequently the same people, like yourself. All of this takes me a lot of time...likely because I am getting very inefficient at everything I do. And I would like to spend more time on ALEXANDER RACING.....(we may have a fourth ALEXANDER driver involved by next July...that's THREE GENERATIONS). But, if we had a short term 'treasurer' for the 2013 KCUP this would help. This person would collect and disperse the funds and be involved in establishing the budget. This person would also seek sponsors that would like to be involved in what we do. (My own preference is to be free of commercial aspects of the event, but that is not always possible or practical). We have a great chairperson in place (JOHN HOULTON). Kas and I have a pretty good formula for producing the KCUP. It just takes someone who is willing to deal with the details. It's 12 months from now....... :-) Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: n197tr4 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP FUNDING In a message dated 09/11/2012 1:16:06 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. Joe... In addition, I propose we put out a hat and have a strictly optional 'Party Pot' to help fund such expenses as they come up. People can donate what they can, or care to. Others can volunteer their services. Joe...no one is better qualified than you are to handle and administer such a fund. You tend to be frugal which will discourage waste, and you are probably not smart enough to steal. You would be great to distribute it where and as it is needed and can help. I'll send you $100 for seed money. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 13:51:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FDC2D0208 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F302D01FE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xp5R1j0030vp7WLABvukTl; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:44 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xvuk1j0062xZMJ48RvukYf; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:54:44 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: fot Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank scrapers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fot, I'm wondering how many Tr4 drivers are running crank scrapers. We are currently developing a crank scraper that will double as a center main stud girdle. CAD drawings are almost finished and I hope to have it fully developed by next spring. jim g _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:19:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF2C2D0200 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C982D01EF for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BKLuU3001823; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 Received: from core-dgd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.201]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 85998E000081; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> To: johnstydo@gmail.com Received: from 98.77.54.138 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347394916; bh=bj4lkjWnF2bqIhFrvMYRbdAzpNIcjl+yomo4a9RYxeU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=T8ZLVWSKh61/fBOTXkhOtrQ/VrTOuoNYMfjt9C2YC0A5bMVXI0ax1F5fZEl3tlZsj vEOGPP/OD+qwZct1c4JijKDIxYxPcrDybQi7OO/Ffel4EdPSBt7fWD1Pv3QP7w0lwB Akuw80qfjVameK/ZoC10E/ACQ/DIuMSq8lzyQomQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a504f9d641939 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:23:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD1D2D0205 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9692D01FC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so908587eek.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=O2cZyTTjIqw4tNRJvT59ANiE2I75SBAyk15Crvi7ss8=; b=kjE6fjViuAXsrobDiDkkcIAHJfC4XyAvr3hQoxzIKeYzP4yqaYG2eaFjoupf89k78W NYIkPqrFb6quZK5t9oRT/dCERI+u7MOMZ4qHRIBLkXX3Px5nlMyqwzPmn5CSJ/ssaF3s k9tOIXz4y5eAYL3Mi33ZRi+7GkML824v4XmS8Oy1pCPcEdgjwar//XvYJF1lU+2ncWOJ YXC8shlyhfIS5MqZ7LERNsRQqyiiSWgn0f1Sr23iecXxWp1auKXRDoJyefLCPv3QVrtD 0OlDu+Q2qeFmd28/BNr2sRBXlWMmviAkEhSd4GZwGUFI0LfyLDTPTELQoR1qrwb7GzRX pHUQ== Received: by 10.14.4.201 with SMTP id 49mr27869404eej.0.1347395163449; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.173 (bda-178-239-83-176.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r45sm50149241eem.6.2012.09.11.13.26.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:26:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "fubog1" ,johnstydo@gmail.com From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:25:59 +0000 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:47:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FBE2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B3C2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BKj910017687; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:11 -0400 Received: from core-dgd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.201]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D124BE00008C; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Received: from 98.77.54.138 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347396311; bh=IDROfWD/pPC96ye83Vs2UiCb7BDnIJ4bWNvaQVJTXiw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KIVhSzY/dEcFcQjQ3KqZVwerMHXz315/7Qg4L6duq6rncGCLNYX7lkO4ueu/vsEEM 5fGulfcirjtt1/N2If0Cn2891TjLWk7kp7B+MukndrSbXuxulC4UAM/o1AzZMTufkV H2hI7XHyB8n1arKoIGtDQqxBADQK4cLINT96n2ug= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d504fa2d6703e Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:48:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67142D0274 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D002D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so576538eaa.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:46:54 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=ajJuEhNIAgg5Nm+p8Oq7l1Y2NCAd0arQtcuGNVPpvdM=; b=g0rpfTkMtZZuC8/0klPGTmvcLGPeLAihoWi9izVMm3Jhty/ff+wkr5fHGzH72N7NVT +m7vgS7jqnylEeFfHsrG9sea5NfWdMjm8Mb9tE117DRwb58CZOwfhw6/hkusfZP18ZSi 0I9NaI1ctaK09ENyvOij4kmAqvaBQ2ao8ESx+4olwyQMRonUqXZeazXQfu79OclCZZtJ tBC/ohudTOVbhwXLr7dvtPFI/kQGOrylAElyMbOEXznrgztitKOr0yfIO6aZQPdpBaQw HZ0PFcauvk68s43ceBSUmhhAvQD+xAzAqc0xYe3/+1xpC219dgRApzdKuYD02UshFIDS q8qQ== Received: by 10.14.212.72 with SMTP id x48mr27566844eeo.40.1347396413897; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.173 (bda-178-239-83-176.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l42sm50308826eep.1.2012.09.11.13.46.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "fubog1" ,johnstydo@gmail.com From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:53:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C535F2D0200 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07CF2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so927645eek.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7keoMFvxWubTwX5dgJHxeX1vDN3oJWe1ZiRmoxpWgB4=; b=YVSa2DVwrAmQ3BS39UG2NlBB46jc/8nK3Lb3ptoIUya0YKQ1GUZEHmbQ1ajFw5Y/2T zLpOw18xbcOPhaK1D6osn/kVUeraFEKRQlFpM2DbeeayS2cLv9UxgSJyF6udSI3uHnvq W75NZYtzDMxjhmVmy2BPU7UTKIfIpCA8uE7tCyOVGXWDrL2f5eWzyfTMN7J970yhybpo r4f+xiglYvQb0iMlTvfsu2QHV0EisNmkdEg5bPNUHi8/6d62/g8N6eLLTZQdID/GquD4 X4y+T9SDj9i4sIIWVUDpgBoM+QI3g936Gx39IwI9mwaRRCf3UuR4uBQ8O7lm+08dBu5P 6eTg== Received: by 10.14.4.198 with SMTP id 46mr28047417eej.11.1347396987490; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.208 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202319.5DC462D027B@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:56:27 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: tr4racing@googlemail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net, fubog1 Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run about ..006 for my clearance with Wiesco pistons, they are popular in the marine industry and they have the same characteristics...or problems without the clearance..need more room, I also add more clearance to the connecting rod at the crank so that more oil can be delivered,I was told it was an old dragster trick..seems to work. . On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM, wrote: > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with > or without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; < > fot@autox.team.net> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be > honed using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as > an added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing < > tr4racing@googlemail.com>; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance > (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged > 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what > my machinist is honing to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it > is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:54:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496DB2D0200 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86952D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BKv22P032643; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:02 -0400 Received: from core-dgd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.201]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 014A1E00008B; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:02 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Received: from 98.77.54.138 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347397022; bh=ZGr7Mlxe690IrFK24KI4LJUlm3N43XMkTnFo6lnWf8M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RRIYPbn3o7dXjcYWm+4dLAHuRubjicokwS3VULLwCfRsgd5a2grKfHGRmPbhiuDU7 ibgEZ6hJ8DC+Pne3El4WUHQ3uSHTD6dhc/qlE1lnni2n5ZHAHbDRKgpatCNfhWgv+/ zxei1F8MH3dHjIEdIgrhPlXdO7npRO4tEvP6yM28= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b504fa59e7e32 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 15:03:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D6D2D01FC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6FB2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so928968eek.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:58:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=JxsL0G5iop38DH0dr1npy6/6NDNeZmaOwF/nuSFFymg=; b=C/h5dtar04GWc8hZjF/Mv3aTdWrvvz7+hsHBCGVXsj+wOFMv9UQPwoIF0bULNt7ygy +5h29fhXynxSmldHqWVF9rY5RbTLon5VPpD2pMdTRkFPDQJGVpgTVmmz/iEGFjlyRuus KkzzxSOleTT1GzD7FAZ4LQjCnjP2zgqSYRSzLld5ycuxLl8qVXOiDzmEbvrqaNao46dI tgcPgO4xCwnLxbvmB4Nt/2RvhBJymhMYs2yW8l2ys+Tn3M5qOmXDaKhUYxr3NUtyFcXP 23FwOwhDtyX377/nvG0HHmwqpUhrZO1VSvlYv9PtLgpdG/bbNmVRBXx8zzp9tjEDfxXa XTuQ== Received: by 10.14.181.132 with SMTP id l4mr27975914eem.17.1347397119655; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.173 (bda-178-239-83-176.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8sm50335064eeo.16.2012.09.11.13.58.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:58:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "fubog1" ,johnstydo@gmail.com From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:58:34 +0000 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 15:03:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC112D01FC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C852D01D9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xqZi1j0091HpZEsABx6eca; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xx6e1j00T2xZMJ48ax6eB3; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: fubog1 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 15:07:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7AA2D020F for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFF52D01C4 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so585823eaa.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:09:56 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=DVY+orjiRbnSIdQwIZ2lbr/zvyuhqQbTBGAqEmaEYy4=; b=QlDAbEeqm9XV/jUBFfNujS2hr5V5Yl1MHeysGDbr5jOgwggfz65u91hhh33cXKpz5R RegYFuX3sTrQNZg0/y7AisTmzqqqBHSTE5NIxKX23Hz34n5eJmWZkQvaIA1i8U/tocqL MJDV47xHTuaUmqcln1yOulOPwaV+OVFPtWbhKhrJKuztbLSK6320Xp7jOdSfrLJ0V2J6 8Nt+AAVqBYM+kDEVrbrOZTi4S+VBSK9UVAiViQBzdK/HFlmBZHUjKFuMgvLoCjj3mxhj xaQnLEELeRwPtPKq/50WB3mSYTh88OubGDm9ewSaPQXEWx4nhH1soslgdPBQgoPIrT/a PUmQ== Received: by 10.14.179.136 with SMTP id h8mr27601364eem.6.1347397796490; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.173 (bda-178-239-83-176.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 45sm50408027eed.17.2012.09.11.14.09.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:09:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Sensitivity: Normal To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net,"fubog1" From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:09:52 +0000 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I used molycote coating on my scuffed wisecos. The Pistons had shrinked and the coating had a thickness of about 0.3mm at maximum. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:06:38 To: fubog1 Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg B ----- Original Message ----- From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: B fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment B The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. B Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) B have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: B I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 15:09:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88572D0200 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s9.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s9.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EFC2D01EF for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:09:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W33 ([65.55.90.7]) by snt0-omc1-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:12:37 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: MadMarx , , Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:37 +0000 References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com>, , <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net>, <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net>, <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>, <20120911204828.8F13E2D0288@autox.team.net> FILETIME=[2B622720:01CD9062] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net During tests a couple eons ago we did a simular test and found the sleeve was like pushing on the end of a garden hose. (87 mm), only not quite as predictable. it cerrtain turned me into .0045" to .005" clearance guy. The best seal and power I ever had was when I lapped the rings to the sleeve, gave the piston a lot of clearance, and wished it well in the war days to come. As long as that spark plug comes out of the bore after racing with a crusty ring on the edge looking like tiny potato chips you could not make it better. Never be beaten by equipment > To: fubog1@aol.com; johnstydo@gmail.com > From: tr4racing@googlemail.com > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:46:49 +0000 > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > At what bore size? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 > To: ; > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. > The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. > Glen > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > To: fubog1 ; johnstydo > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or > without. > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 > To: > Cc: ; ; ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed > using a torque plate. > They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. > FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an > added insurance policy against scuffing. > Glen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Styduhar > To: fubog1 > Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing > ; fot > Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 > mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, > but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing > to. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: > > I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. > The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. > The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. > Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. > Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a > good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 15:33:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8522C2D01EF for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:33:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FD72D016A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BLTfuT029473; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:41 -0400 Received: from core-dga002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dga002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.5]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 18EECE00008A; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:41 -0400 (EDT) References: <560688373.810100.1347397598431.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Received: from 98.77.54.138 by webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.92) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:40 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:29:40 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347398981; bh=c9uaILFIVa7wiL27NhGigg6stbLaCySm+AcMFAAMWU0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H3LMUWLdqsf9EpWV5SleqrWkmyBc51vXv0wmJM5Vdj8r26iYYTKFBJ/62ZhvpVAwS JNtrmHXLX+lb4Pfo/DlRY9F/SO+bcVrWHFfQhCDqdQp3nI+2zwYGu2pNOu+6Gvku/8 xfFc1mF+UZDfUAAOnbFsa/9ukCtkd95tPUSOp5r8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9504fad457ae6 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well I can only offer advice based on my limited experience with these things, torque plate for best results, at your discretion... Another point to consider may be how close you are holding tolerances. If you are measuring to thousandths, .0005 is no big deal. Of course if the engine doesn't see the far side of 5k often, this is not as critical. Re the piston coating, it seems to be 5-7 tenths per side so you will pick up .001-.0015 in diameter (polymer dynamics HoustonTx). An engine-machinist friend of mine did try coating a set of pistons to make up clearance, can't remember the number, but it was a huge failure. I honestly don't know what the limit is. One of the advantages of having the skirts coated is that you can run less clearance, but I still shoot for at least .004. Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: fubog1 Cc: fot ; tr4racing ; johnstydo Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment In the past I've just honed them in the block with an oversized washer on a head stud to hold em down. If that's the wrong proceedure I'm still not to old to learn. On another note, I just spoke to Calico coatings and they say they can put anti-friction coating on used pistons and put it on a little thicker to make up clearances. How thick I don't know but interesting info anyway. jimg From: "fubog1" To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:57:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 18:23:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3654F2D0208 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD482D0205 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:22:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8C0OxMr018025; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:59 -0400 Received: from core-msc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.201]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4A290E000086; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:59 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, fubog1@aol.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:58 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:24:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347409499; bh=9L2onUUuWjhdAdqQpTTRUSCMlq7PsjenPdHkWWVn2bg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mesewPXDU0nLa6RK0qUTHmWCBypgKS+roxCWA9xcWAxLHApFIEtcLGGIkTL14dqUL gWV57MxxRTKyMHVnbqYtuq0cifvH4no1KgxWgUBh3TqYU4Z7S2Bmebra8YuU1v5d6S 1MUNNeODFVo/ZwB9VwTxwj73Gs19q4OYiMuf2Tho= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a504fd65b2aaf Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John Deere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the art. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the variables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I use old liners and enlarge the to 88mm. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:57:01 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment 87mm (3.425). I usually use BFEs LA Sleeve liners, they are pretty stout compared to stock liners but still need a torque plate hone IMHO. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment At what bore size? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Well not to start a controversy, but I have one on the bench right now, torqued down and ready to go, and the mics don't lie. The liners tend to waist down around the lower register. Glen -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing To: fubog1 ; johnstydo Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment We did a lot of testing with torque plate and we found NO difference with or without. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:21:56 To: Cc: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment The other point that should be mentioned is that these liners should be honed using a torque plate. They get out of shape once they are clamped down in place. FWIW I use JE pistons and set them at .004, usually with coated skirts as an added insurance policy against scuffing. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Styduhar To: fubog1 Cc: mmoore ; jhhasty ; tr4racing ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment My math shows that MadMarx is running .005" piston to wall clearance (.13mm/25.4 mm/inch=.005. Wiseco's suggested clearance for their forged 87mm slugs is .004, but others (BFE) have recommended .006, which is what my machinist is honing to. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM, fubog1 wrote: I'll try this again, my reply had too much text. The manufacturers will call out a recommended clearance, but that's all it is. The operating speed, temperatures, cooling systems etc all are variables. Generally the harder it is run, the more clearance it needs. Also pistons can scuff during warm-up, under certain conditions, so it's a good thing to get it up to temp before flogging it hard. Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 18:38:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC532D021B for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526BB2C0D28 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8C0bBGD002686; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:11 -0400 Received: from core-mte004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.77]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 284FDE00008A; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <003901cd903f$b76ac6a0$264053e0$@net> <8CF5E58428D0B49-1878-460F1@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E7239391D72-1878-478A9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911202321.695F82D027B@autox.team.net> <8CF5E75784B4954-1878-47B9F@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <1307873001-1347396412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-361611464-@b5.c2.bise7.blackberry> <8CF5E77200A40D8-1878-47CF4@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <20120911210326.E51552D0214@autox.team.net> <8CF5E942C95599F-224C-BACD4@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> To: n197tr4@cs.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, fubog1@aol.com, johnstydo@gmail.com Received: from 76.199.166.239 by webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com (64.12.140.163) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:09 -0400 From: billdentin@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347410231; bh=+zkE+EikQv5iepVdsIn1Ot0Wm6SPaybtZx13iHSv8+M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LW1e7+1NGv4/lgcLc7/+ihtR7RkA5Teju52bnjRvxI5p18OkIS9GUZKzFTQJ+4GFx yEAdCt72l6VMuvy24vt4rPJSGGMIgebnyOFJSqlWlLpnqofE/gnwvSJRcAs+QVIJYG rOUxPakHcUDlntFlXHXqH43ak/DejXAJDQZ06TFM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389504fd9360ac4 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net <<< we use old OEM liners and bore to size with a fixture replicated from John eere production fixtures. OEM material is very good and equipment for boring and honing is state of the rt. our torque plate is for sale. we defer to Glen's methods, however, as we suspect he has control over the ariables and has great credibility. but we cant afford to send our engines to Glen.....or we would. >>> We too have a stash of original sleeves that we dress for fresh engines. They are hard as all get out, and much better than what we have seen available new. Also...you can look for Pink Pigs flying any day when we disagree with that 'Bearded Wonder' down in Florida. Hi Glen! Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 02:12:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DF22D0212 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B72C0D15 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so1192222eek.14 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:15:20 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=sno5Ho/op41UhHTA8RiVIuai4/MoFvZJAePCZVBqFNI=; b=fr6nlQ/oP6u193QxxdbAZfYSpoBaFVcMylkI9sUPwvRk6DidEP5/mtKB/RTSoWxk2s RPS2Tg5I3H0LdQV+IYSrM/+eDdfQTVio5wksIF1c64FWJh0Pr+P5H0uS7j5Hc/2IYWj7 c9KySJ6WMYYr7yvKNO6rENB/H86TYcdv/vyGceYW9ckTjnKGYHngeefIrTPqOHLZ/lph ROjIaZB8VqUrFXWJ0t154L5soP7KxzT2sz/EzMCrHYJuzMxCLEtwfmVtPAow6gWK1WGo YfNSuvBe+x8PVcHGiYIR2dcg1ac+B3nGjRKGJsm/dARbsiH3HopplGJWDI0o++kaCsvj 70+Q== Received: by 10.205.132.6 with SMTP id hs6mr5430639bkc.26.1347437720038; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-180-39.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.180.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm10981601bkx.9.2012.09.12.01.15.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <8CF5E4C300282B3-1878-45642@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com> <33A7972ABC0A40B882E91626E205221A@your89d26e0447> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:14:58 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2QvXpgA1zrqdmOT1OSQjZgPUqy4wAAP7AQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to show you the pistons: Left Wiseco, right Mahle: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OfylAQLY4J4/UFBD1bKreQI/AAAAAAAABaU/_XKnb Z5jCTw/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00003.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8ZCKC6pHEaI/UFBD-3a9-pI/AAAAAAAABac/2XydJ 0yWDwE/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00002.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K1GqMXqR-4c/UFBEJcMbSdI/AAAAAAAABak/_I2JA pwohAs/s920/Importierte+Fotos+00004.JPG Interesting is, that the bigger shaped piston is much lighter. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 04:23:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256792D0223 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BEB2D0220 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2386EA4C092; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7jc-TuWQ3pS1; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C8508A4C087; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "Robert Blake" , References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:25:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 07:43:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB472D028A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9172D026A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.225.135.165] (82.132.230.201) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) id 4EEB66402B9B63D7; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:41:29 +0100 References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> From: TR4 Tony Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:33:15 +0100 To: MadMarx Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same direction when > they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say > that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco > pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This > resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On > his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture > all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts > in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping > points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible > clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we > feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was > scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never > went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts > to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this > without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The > hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a > decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX > is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 07:44:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58532D0297 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B882D018E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so986397eaa.14 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:45:56 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=gYo30hWAqRNFC5XoappQEHs6MsVL+eLrRta0cPlryOg=; b=Cm50uiBnkWUDvcv576ogDAVaa/fcKLKNGQKSueoy8wN/xuP3rp4nKarsAGgKTUQJ5S UfmeKimnjTdmBLbvwh0AxSQXxv204aRYZbiQRsjhk17mol0RuWztPm7qJ3vMMo0DoV92 N+uqm9VEZ2Ro4qEY6UV2ZamXi4NPhprzGl9eFA9he7UDqjOqSifCjZ7Cd7n48FdfJ9hd 7UL0dAerp7Ee7xWBvt48mVobN9cASClpMbZl2fWE5dBg1p2XRxwlb/n2ctyD0OAvrSMU GlnBxONbfY+/4kQMN6MLK9Tmpa7mbN0fxFAiPMtgYt9OqtGdHNXZc3pIJoq0/4El9xyH DdKQ== Received: by 10.204.152.211 with SMTP id h19mr6112320bkw.45.1347457556553; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-180-39.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.180.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm12021675bkv.14.2012.09.12.06.45.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:45:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:45:32 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2Q7FByTjwVO//HQx++OQ+Gw84m6AAAFbDQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Quite low compression. I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. Maybe we have here Californian air too? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: TR4 Tony [mailto:tr4.tony@virgin.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 15:33 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Hi all I use 89mm venolia pistons with .006 clearance and they seem to give me two years before I start getting ring trouble, so far twice on cyl 4 where the comp ratio drops from 165 to 115 and I start throwing oil from the rocker /valve cover vent straight into the catch tank. Cyl 2 comp falls to about 130 on my scale at the same time. 1 and 3 sit at 155 Ish. This seems to be the order of wear in my engine and a couple of similar ones, so pretty consistent I'm told. This is all due to accelerated ring wear due to heat in the rear of the engine as others have said and if I let it go too far, scrap pistons as a minimum. Provided I keep a tab on the comp ratios and measure what I pump out of the catch tank I can keep track of wear on a relative scale, recognising that if I do so I won't get a heavy failure. Short of solving the issue finally this is the only way to deal with it, hence my bi annual refit. I'm getting two years worth of relatively trouble free running with my steel crank, venolia pistons and carillo rods. That's about 18000 to 20000 rally miles, maybe 10000 of those at 5000 rpm and above, 3000 at maximum attack of 6500 to 7500 and above (my counter reads to 6000 so when the beastie stops accelerating and the noise doesn't get louder I know I'm on the peg). I can forward the specs of the various bits if anyone else is interested. Happy days. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Sep 2012, at 16:23, "MadMarx" wrote: > I had the same trouble with Wiseco pistons. > Maybe they expand a lot. > > I run as piston to wall clearance 0.13mm. > > Never believe what the piston manufacturer says. > Won't work on a wet liner Triumph engine. > The liners deform under heat and getting oval. > More clearance is needed as normal. > > At the current engine I try to install old liners in the same > direction when they were installed the first time in hope the deformation is smaller. > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2012 17:08 > An: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to > say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. > > We just put a new engine > in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with > Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on > number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday > for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been > trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition > as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the > mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing > we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same > clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. > Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt > was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. > Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp > never went above normal range. > > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons > skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb > cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? > > On to my > issue. > > My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. > Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did > not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). > Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search > of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but > proximity to TX is a major consideration. > > Info on both issues is appreciated. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 07:58:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795DB2D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dieselperformanceparts.com (mail.dieselperformanceparts.com [173.221.146.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AECC2D018E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b]) by DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b%10]) with mapi; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:57:03 -0500 From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:57:02 -0500 Thread-Topic: Parts that need a home!!!!!!!!!! Thread-Index: Ac2Q7nxrsSao1Ns5QSaG5KJCs0HJBQ== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] Parts that need a home!!!!!!!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net MEMBERSHIP GOT TO CLEAR THE GARAGE, CAN'T TURN AROUND IN THERE. all OFFERS IF NOT CRAZY WILL BE ACCEPTED: Intake Manifold 307265 V2989 A 1147 aluminum intake I think?? Gear reduction starter R-33037 Koni Shocks (2) 80-1005 Trans Overdrive Unit 25/633301 015107 6 875 Laycock Tag info Crankshaft WDB W2156 308737 17746N JOSB Supposedly a new never run crank that has been hard chromed Mains are 2.3" and rods are 1.88" Transmission 88306468 V3038 10 spline 1.15" Shaft at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and starter on passenger side Transmission 88306468 V3038 10 spline 0.90" Shaft has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side Lots and lots of other Spitfire and maybe GT6 tranny's too. Block 311255 (between freeze plugs) FK5785HE, mains are 2.44" recessed cylinder bores Block 305380 (between freeze plugs) GA42748HE, by dipstick is N111, mains are 2.130" Block 307553 (between freeze plugs), Been decked so no deck surface number, mains are 2.44" and the bore is 2.94" Head 6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955 Head 8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871, 56 Head 8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO, 27B6, 0589 Crane Camshaft F-244 210-8, BN3437 Pistons 17753B Cam bearings 1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970 Push rods New chrome moly 6.0" length??? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 08:00:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C792C0D27 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010762C0D27 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.192] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 5e260006cab08ee8; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:03:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:03:16 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: MadMarx References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000c01cd9031$6be63a60$43b2af20$@com> <0D69234D-7CD9-40D5-8F8D-C16F23DE91CE@virgin.net> <002201cd90ec$e2906d50$a7b147f0$@com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/12/2012 7:45 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Quite low compression. > > I read between 210 - 220 PSI at my engine with a compression of 11.3:1. > > Maybe we have here Californian air too? > > Or just air at some altitude well above sea level. Tony doesn't say where he's taking those measurements, or the overlap of the cam he's using, both of which can have rather dramatic effect on the numbers when compared to a milder cam and at sea level. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 08:21:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAD82D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C08E2D018E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 14:24:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 14:24:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 14:24:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 84248 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 14:24:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347459862; bh=9xn+3bfzCRZSuPe+g9CZde2igMvMG0GBgJFIe+j9+sk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R76vpIqrsly+GoFy2kUw/FWoCwoml+2Qyz9AI1/VQgs5u2ROF7Xmib8AdBGgk8tm+z4eiEjydq9OPFo5uOc7ty8rYfRIF/fgIIb04e9FQbnIoTJyvVi7kp22+2TLf2J5GxSq8dQvpR9WtY+q28mKbJ1IbH4tv56GcO3VZkb6f7o= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bO3AatRZP3xERd2fll1cMW81QAW9XwQOoArkqlbJgJh+qdLmLNy8njGtyhd6TpSM74de61vjMIE5O44Xsa8FqQNyxDGtNZ+wPWVmoIBs72OnQdXxexsnLYSKPjtEHrduhRadGXcGVw9qgZEqBHp0+LI2TIrDKt8GDZqp41INYJQ=; MbnUuCUJh1xGpvbcKxIdjLI1e.ZI9scEWclsmc_LBo1dbiBiG1yZjc7wlZy9 scpQu9t6UzHf4ODitnv_k.H_klIi9GHu0UaPGOrpPeI1b6fOQGB5O3iGXlB. IZkSRkDfKt4evmHaZQ8Erk4hsMntsCWUcv6UMvy4kNJsAPrfMT17rZTPdpif qJ9A79jQtoBLgCaBMrqA47tAKYzvpapDa8rhZQyaJapTGCUq8whpfeX3g3BS .7GlFT6SQJKQ8_WXmzAHDuC1PE03nXHLMCa0G6d5F5A64.O.xaLNN1iV2FyO RgOQ0xN81wKrrmqGPeSdLgz0VZeufK.DBieY9oxMMZrYwxe9StADOtLEUQUB Z_lKu1yZqzGm5bmaKH9t4TX86pQeMQQOywzJdBSvIlgHm.MGQrV1o9anqpJ7 etXR7G28PrECEwfi3SYTBATtUmEJNXjGdmNeFfWVtalA_AmPMExzxrXh_TPO Y7gbpbRQ0ofDFgkp0kzHUdrYDKP3ZxZN8w6m465PWj1_FwcIsOiQ3HM8z_b8 9l.hLQONschIBS2HW_4RxIiqiMYn7ta1UZ3yRbqnrkZJqLk2.1XW3jAEqLhA aG6Eq8P9xi5.8nKsmZG8EtAKRpL9zxZD44_v53i6TDFewVMY0enP0vsb9xqH VIRYklORy7bQ9 Received: from [64.134.144.244] by web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:24:22 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Robert Blake , fot@autox.team.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com Cc: Glen Effinger Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, yellow04@tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04@tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: "Robert Blake" , fot@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 5:25 AM Scuffing is caused by piston expansion. Piston expansion is caused by heat. If you are running adequate piston to liner clearance and you are still getting excessive scuffing only on #4, perhaps the back of your block is not getting adequate flow of coolant. If the coolant at the back of the block does not circulate adequately, hot spots form, allowing the coolant around #4 will reach it's boiling point. Once the liner creates enough heat for the coolant to start vaporizing (boiling), a jacket of air bubbles is formed around the liner, further impeding the coolant from doing it's job. That jug gets heated more that the others, your piston expands more, and scuffing occurs. Next time you are prepping a block for a build, and are at the step of rinsing the block with copious amounts of water, try this. Slide all four liners in the block, and set in place whatever head gasket you are using, a used head gasket is fine for this purpose. You are going to want to install a few head studs and jury-rig something to hold the head gasket in place. Then take your garden hose and stuff it into the water inlet hole in the front of the block. Turn on the water. You will note the lions share of the water is flowing out the front of the block, and around #4 the water is barely overflowing. That's whats happening to your coolant when your engine is running. Your 'cold' coolant from the radiator enters the block at the front, but most of it flows around 1 and 2 and goes up to the head and exits the thermostat housing. The coolantin the back half of the engine is pretty stagnant, allowing hot spots to be formed. For the most part, the holes in the head gasket are the what meters the water flow from the block up through the head. On the stock head gasket those holes allow too much flow at the front. Look at Mordy's copper headgaskets for this engine, you will see he has made the coolant passage holes quite small at the front. To increase circulation at the back of the engine, you need to impede the coolant flow from the block to the head in at least the front half of the engine. I install small freeze plugs in the appropriate coolant passages in the head, and then drill small holes in the freeze plugs to meter the flow. This stopped all my issues with excessive scuffing on the #4 piston. But what do I know, I blew up this year as well! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, > what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on > the > rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 08:48:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8485D2C0C98 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D712A2C0C80 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.192] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 28f600072078b37b; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:50:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:51:00 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: EDWARD BARNARD References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net, Glen Effinger Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/12/2012 8:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque > plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I > have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first > engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, > and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly > use the torque plate I provide him. > When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up > the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put > forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has > been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that > failure out. > One of those unaccounted-for variables might be individual variations in the blocks and heads used. I think the procedure of blocking flow out of the forward cylinders to increase flow through the rears has some merit, but consider this: what if there were a mismatch of _both_ head and block to the head gasket at that cylinder, i.e., a coolant opening in the head blocked the gasket opening area on one side, while a mismatch to the block hindered flow on the other? The net effect would be greatly attenuated flow out of the block on at least one side of the cylinder. The other variable could be a casting anomaly inside the head at that cylinder or just forward of it. Those are the sort of things that tend to go unnoticed during machining and/or rebuilding, but can have rather profound effects on performance, and can be a devil to find without hard data on temperature variations. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 09:08:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0C12D0274 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (imr-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2E82D024A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8CFAtHE025545 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:55 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 28B6EE000086 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347462655; bh=cS45bwMRSbF1/b4olRXeL5jxTJzRD13bX6O5nXhqKxI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bIB6ZuS7LC0U/LTSOztWZCBees+r35i9NQS9RKBEkzj/Fsu82L1LS0pHDcCxMWuoI l921vQH22+3FcdRi9ioR5t2sba/l47RrNh8sFJ1FLg1P+OmzSjkQkx5GpM9XYWpiLP 2me90oZXeGVxlHudsCaujHBeoRgKwhHj5CksPr5E= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c5050a5ff20b9 Subject: [Fot] FOT FUND Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: Yesterday, after seeking means to fund 2013 KCUP through regalia sales or any other means, I received two UNSOLICITED donations.....make that LARGE donations. Thank you: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER I am accepting these donations and will place them in the FOT ACCOUNT. Thank you guys......! I am NOT asking for donations, but will accept them. I have preferences on funding. Funding through regalia sales seems right to me. NOT depending on commercial sponsorships seems right to me, but they will be accepted. Note: Sponsorship promises were made and broken for the Laguna Seca KCUP and we had at least one FOT do some serious funding out of pocket...I didnt know about it until well after the fact. Not acceptable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 09:17:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FE22D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3299D2D026E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8CFKSxR016868; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:28 -0400 Received: from core-dgb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.65]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD0BFE000096; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net, rblake36@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.48.252 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347463228; bh=O6A1D3O9TxigBf5URvS7IKWim0c4/IszsrSFWT7N8mA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TaufwpKh75TqJ5cHuC4T3WXw8mtmY5ekeNYd5GIJ4AAIsFc+4cBngEB6HEpfTqEE5 lnm4I/H5D4p2SZPLlYfdUe0+QufterlMsodn0Tm1A1KFG3Xo/vhCNFAlrV9VZrQWlY K/yiWxUwM5U4np7ne9rjWkYRz785P4a5LvHkCIzM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d5050a83b7c65 Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No doubt that the rear cylinder runs the hottest, but I have found that if the cooling system, oil and water, are in good shape, and IF the RPM is kept within reason, (touches wood), it's not a problem for us. I don't do any more than progressively open up the steam holes for the little banana ports in the head gasket, bigger towards the rear. A lot of guys are running pretty high revs now and this becomes more of a potential problem, and on some "other" buzzy engines I do add a provision for flow in the rear. As a related matter of interest, I had a scuffing issue recently, 3 out of 4. The problem was that #1 was the worst, very heavy, metal transfer, progressively less back to #4, which was near perfect! Exactly the opposite of what would be expected. After going over the drivers excellent track notes, and recalling our conversation about not getting water temp in it due to a very cold weekend, we concluded that the pistons were up to temp as evidenced by normal oil temps, but the liners were too cold. It's a real balancing act with these things. Then as Greg S pointed out, lugging can cause problems as well, both lack of splash, and losing the oil wedge due to drop in main pressure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Robert Blake ; fot ; yellow04 Cc: Glen Effinger Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Group / Glen: At the risk of opening a can of worms similar to the "to torque plate or not to torque plate" argument, I have a question for the group. I have a certain interest in Greg and Bob's plight since I assembled the first engine that failed. Clearances were .005" on all pistons to cylinder walls, and we assumed that the failure was that the machinist I use didn't properly use the torque plate I provide him. When their machinists work failed in a similar manner this weekend it opens up the failure analysis beyond one persons lack of attention. At the track I put forth the theory of possible heat in the number 4 cylinder. This block has been vatted and thoroughly cleaned multiple times so I'd like to rule that failure out. My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. Any thoughts on this? Glen? Also, when we first undertook the project Greg Solo mentioned that we might need to drill the Chevy rods with an oil hole to "squirt" some oil on the cylinder walls. Any further thoughts on that? Greg S., do you care to elaborate? The really head scratchier is that Greg Blake has the same set-up, and it is running fine (knock wood). Same pistons, rods, crank, bearings, etc. We need to solve Bob's lack of track issue so there can be another father - son team on the track and not in the paddock. -Ed- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 09:32:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF082D0290 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7D22D0223 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8CFTBYu017630 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:11 -0400 Received: from core-msb004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.141]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 730DAE000090 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347463750; bh=0dLrkPQVc2IiVMk2UHvWR039z6ypALBYrpZJO25dbZc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mnmp363w2/Vzi0vmTXv9eWg/xxGATiR4KJqzucuupc2OxVuBHq9V3xD+wW/PJAcii g8SAIYtRW2cdQyI7jjbBPmGdkj8cKzY8hAtgMjUI088lsP3g/m5eCrjjroLTERpdo8 gAMZ0Zy19a7NJrZQdLUR50aNBWaPkQ/iPvmpceSs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca5050aa4645e2 Subject: [Fot] SPEAKING OF DONATIONS- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: Some things are so obvious that they are overlooked...................KAS & PEG The KASTNER CUP funds do not always cover all of Peg and Kas' direct expenses and certainly there has never been any monies beyond direct expenses. THAT makes KAS and PEG the largest contributors to the KASTNER CUP SERIES. Thank you Kas and Peg. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 09:39:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437262D027A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:39:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1338A2D0223 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 15:42:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 15:42:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 15:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 63805 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 15:42:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347464555; bh=x6+ZKbgIoLr4wl+/Ae6+8lncj5zy20uBIUI40pJSml8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WoPGXU0izdrZUgJXeobXIgInQd84yriWxdYvGA8U7o15L8zWBR7vZDA0x8ZY2Mpk1V7JqwMxse2nW8McE4cEmjsIUce1p9EyeLbXsZh9yev9ORMRwzrtfvA29Zn7x57dHz6AnN0VHZzFC0s01Iu2zinmi0JEEW6O5ppzhDU0RuA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ODj3c3Sci+I6T8O9Utd5oFIkbyKbFwRy7+hCrCQTGEHv8R/CSM51ghluHZce36B2dxNt1821Zwjdx+MSazMUQUUMfiwn+SNnAbD9Dc41Xmee+3xiM3f0EhjoM0Q78b1pBJvBmR+xizB/ySQOUCB6KYOmPqxU7Exfezz49+TqZXE=; VKpz6O.ucO1aP5A1e2NxZeIL2iEYHxIlsUKPSV8hrv.dU3Mj6Dyxlb8tkaDe cZ2eBk.dhLShvhX9gdsVQt3UclKsHariDiWxpKA1cfc0W_KPNgG8rQvG8K_L ddvl5LAYz1hzajy1jcZBJMze1BaAP3YmLDv_KS7aVJX4Ud1m3CvVBDQZ44xC wbQ8dJbvP7BLoNpgql1QN1x3zHJ70MiCwalChswGohhJkVRpk2fjuAJChmgE AD47oieSW7JnxB6MRa.AITlGw69T0UUvJWz8j6mPbsakLfTj2Wp0OtFuIntt yd4N2VUaKaZL2OWW_6W2x3ON1YPqktrcD.nzS89d_.vod2Z8vv6QlXklAS0h R2sc7EpFSGrbw7IqOCiizBk8pidWvpX04aUD2M4Y6NAlcpCpRbr_k5O2gi.M DFCXhodmr7xXVfpKnO7S_Iw-- Received: from [173.172.118.172] by web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:42:35 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Blake To: "fot@autox.team.net" Cc: Blake Gregory Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 11:09:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1724C2D0286 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF842D027B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [216.183.226.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A2879C30232; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:12:39 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Robert Blake'" , References: <1347464555.46855.YahooMailNeo@web125003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:14:40 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2Q/UHgUXrRVwbQSPCOo2Pyy/WmrwAC9LIA Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: 'Blake Gregory' Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW - I've been measuring the temperature of the block and cylinder head with and infrared thermometer as we come off the track since we started running in 2007. The cylinder head is measured between #2 and #3 sparkplugs, The block is measured towards the front and towards the back on the cam side and the block is measured at the back as low as possible. All of the readings have been consistently between 180 degrees and 200 degrees. The infrared thermometers are now available from places like Harbor Freight pretty reasonably now. This just seemed like a good piece of diagnostic data to have. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:43 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Cc: Blake Gregory Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I would like to thank the group for all the input. Not only have we found a bonnet for Greg's car, the guy who was literally beaten by his equipment, we have elicited a number of responses that may provide a solution to the issue of the scuffed #4. Hopefully we will have the car back in operation in time for the CVAR TWS meet in November, and actually might run for a full weekend. Thanks and regards to all. Bob Blake _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 11:50:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465762D0290 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F6A2D027C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8CHo5m8013980; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:06 -0400 Received: from core-dgc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.129]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 98ED5E000093; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <88538F2A-6D3E-4513-A3CD-3DB95F743998@austin.rr.com> To: rkramer3@austin.rr.com, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net Received: from 98.77.48.252 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:05 -0400 From: fubog1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347472206; bh=teOItnNFAPUF79YQDIxFzBKbcniC+DDwC0t1l5BCiQE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bgk/EsSaiA5gQIVznUgJ/ox/11I95sXimqbXfKLdtffTcZGj3tSTQEEHUM9lAYPZH JfoOdOx1Ylg9zC7BSzxhsTGyVC/7kToTqWJjFojElM0fdhpfoDY5N7BcsPT685lwl6 V9ShBADdaQ7zbYHoQb1IiC/oFASiBXuKeDvzkedg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c95050cb4d2329 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] more on piston scuffing... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just a few other things to check. Look at the underside of the piston for color, I like to see just a little tan, that shows that it's getting good heat in the chamber. If is dark brown/black, it has been too hot. That can cause the piston to run too hot and it can scuff as a result. Also look for a pattern, if it's scored/scuffed all the way to the top of the pistons, it could be a ring issue, check for heavy wear in the top ring groove (usually rich running). Or heavy burnishing/scuffing at the bottom part of the thrust faces, likely ran out of clearance. These long-stroke engines have a pretty high piston speed so at high revs they are right on the edge of the limits... Glen _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 12:21:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFE32D0224 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F1B32D01C3 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 18:19:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.13] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 18:19:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 18:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19797 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 18:19:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347473992; bh=E9IRaQUTFt8aWA+toqjc6ywfzvXfMVFqHSTmL8K1n2M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fo5FIYGHbl9KGwRBIId7NlW0bcylhXKM8qoUlgOnRJu61zgUkjHrUIRIukE7P0HJ/4R24DJTJLCKatm5cKk4IEmifsAt3DieF6vYwvduRzvsv1RLa7RyQnbU0WdaJw0aLYr2DY+NcB4a/KSw2d3Q/w37Yl6YfXY4jMxf5qZJ/5M= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LmamcS7lUVVpF0aHSkR06eVqLz7Jq1RF58y2XlR9f+0l+ekAwssLgjcqDChQpl16y/QsSjW18bvkKU/B/4jrm9TN3MLbgVhaRccpRVPHCFF6m8cYCv8t4to1cwxSQ1/gqFoksyCQRaVFkNkaxyGrm633SwfEuDaVpU6f1kBEZNU=; 1zHv0gG9vX2wKh..xzIpITmvIzWjywwcdwLPHApGijKrnjs4HJamj379qtIS cqQHkoBa4Iavk3g3FIuBw6HjtFc9JeAglz6xacBXsu.6.VgfmDeSDikmoD1_ pdfSmnWbY9hSvgx7lbbw19uELKcDgrykYrAhcQOqax6zaMmgQ_XKEhYb7ru9 tH5l.WY3ywDcligMEXH43r1uyvVKPnk2ydJ1aV_.hefdMwcXLYuGkACl022M c1ZvMCDOhXmkd0eudqBM7wKiO6PRwqHna1XmrX1LnzmqDS5U9MD3TR_eobt5 gR0SO0l4T0Ai8Bwfdsjmr1aEjrfV5U4BFFn7qvRY7VQPv3rGFfiftpDJ9VSo oiKooeOSyD6Ukpfmr8aVMiX9_YK5Gzl.PXxIpAg4NErMRx3XayiyPW0IQb_H arqDN25Fn Received: from [71.99.1.65] by web39302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:19:52 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Diehl To: fot Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello All. In case anyone cares, I am not in Madrid and am not in trouble with the law(not lately anyway. If anyone wishes to send me money, feel free, but be sure to send it to me and not the scam address on the hack job. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 12:37:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B241A2D029C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:37:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7372D016A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8CIc2NP021232 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:38:08 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:38:00 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2RFbxKcT6/DZNfRBCOZ/CqeKSyBA== a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=VSg7Rfq8l_sDUeNEBrEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] VIR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 12:52:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26702D0299 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F542D027B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yCWS1j00B0lTkoCA3Jt0kG; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:53:00 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yJsw1j00a3UuT0T8QJt0Yd; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:53:00 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'john hasty'" , Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:43:34 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac2RFbxKcT6/DZNfRBCOZ/CqeKSyBAAALAwg Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 12:56:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5B32D0287 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E7F2D027B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8CIxPCo030807; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:59:29 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:59:22 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2RFbxKcT6/DZNfRBCOZ/CqeKSyBAAALAwgAAB2CMA= a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=BPjlUxMTHv5LSkcqdZQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=yR88IHkgZUpwU4dR:21 a=IP9nFadXZoEsx7pf:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I could be wrong on that. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM To: 'john hasty'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VIR Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 13:13:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9355C2D0286 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DD722C6CD2 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 19:16:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 19:16:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 19:16:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29217 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2012 19:16:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347477411; bh=12khiSK9FRFk1QnwiE7hbZG1QH5a85lGINUmPH7Tytw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=asIgi8SvrTEZoI9NgH2Kjm8rQ/VWZ1RiUiQCLnViX8wKsBSSyOhnUHC4tMDuT7PTFA+h86s0a3zAIsuLnZ6jgL1BJ1g8Un41thMXIqMu3pW8Jq5uhR8V/L/N0r8odocJ0TowqGZKhVcuugBDOOdZPTL98H0WGheK+E8LipBXg20= LAZBEgunWCj3cdi2T62XFTcAUnr7W6NfzVA7aJm5ljzFGxfLqrEwu.NkBVye Zp3QY82cCfcnjXEHKpUmZvZszxFYNv5XtBzV_6vWT6GLGzOTm9jHW.0kPep5 qIbto4R0wQP6MoL2ipy.9BuJ3pstc5NFVKT12Y2BdJxiJ1ke_b1.wN7q5BCs 4vITjxJw8femmkbJ1IfVs7gsr8isr3j0bz1DmUv.Nf21JYxBJSCpVu7fsXBi dlWyU8tnKtJ4DU5i4JNEzCZOmaXJPxtHUFjoEOoueAg_YqnOf_EqrU4wHfoD .RvXtO4Igd62wbZvJEigma3vjU9F8pdURGcbARa8Z1IX7E6iMqcnFhyWN7Zk KJQtwQukU.Iuq77KYQF61IQnJ8VhD81FlC6zcXmN_dZsKBkCD42_t Received: from [192.168.1.83] (cartravel@99.98.59.54 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2012 12:16:51 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I then had much more control over the heat in the engine. Larry On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > Any thoughts on this? Glen? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 13:38:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921662C6CD2 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail5.pem.dotster.com (mail5.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150042C0D27 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9790 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2012 19:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zap6) (list@mackenzie.aero@[70.253.69.133]) by 72.5.54.239 with SMTP; 12 Sep 2012 19:36:18 -0000 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'FOT List'" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:36:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2RHdxJuBVBl4ccRHWsdAJ6IYgOIw== Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Mike Jankowski' Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last year. In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to the US at some time. Do I have a second? Thank you Robert MacKenzie _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 13:55:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2964C2D028C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B8F2C0C93 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so4043011obh.14 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:58:21 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ilNcUsj44AcBzKSz4eHkPXEKu65lPDwTL2ziT1nqHNw=; b=T4Zcwbeu13H8158t4CdcbprbLxHUHfYJfwc/baJObxPBrhJ3ln+oelGDxJ7x1nTt12 ZgMcL7qPiNoQcRAiLXSA5Q0sYpWiskSsvBpdTrHWU8BUdb7PczKjW+Jh6jjzOwtUXbWr ItayjxN8HMOvfprZQCSSiV65Hle/Zhu7HV9TPQiqcaW2CZ+pW+UCEe/3Jo01Et7Srrmh +CCMblwPisUUvArfkNIBB33yxEzXnn8yfDy5NHZBtG4BYa008/5EK6UbGVYEJ9L4IP77 IyUEERxRSGAHhzSMb9vTCAcBNbsNZt49M3l53sq34udznJGTQhSAcem5V430f9yDXKmr ONyw== Received: by 10.60.8.104 with SMTP id q8mr23765969oea.120.1347479901824; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.168.12] (rrcs-24-173-184-38.sw.biz.rr.com. [24.173.184.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o4sm17052801oef.11.2012.09.12.12.58.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:58:16 -0500 References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: 'FOT List' , 'Mike Jankowski' Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second! Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT membership. > > Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy > car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club > newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin > autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last > year. > In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. > Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to > the US at some time. > > Do I have a second? > Thank you > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 13:56:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E1F2D021B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s16.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s16.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6F62C0C93 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT141-W7 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s16.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: , Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> FILETIME=[14375010:01CD9121] Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs in the right places. Tony > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > From: cartravel@pobox.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > Larry > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I have > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the engine > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought being > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, and > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 13:57:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253D52D0212 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3452C0C93 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=odcYAGd74NRp1HM/+4fx+Q==:17 a=LsRHwEOMIkgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=xc7yCQjg1nrf3AW8eVMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=nNW2-KFJ8FvKj7xZ:21 a=9ZYd1xeiywwY7bFn:21 a=odcYAGd74NRp1HM/+4fx+Q==:117 Received: from [12.238.168.199] ([12.238.168.199:12221] helo=[192.168.114.109]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id AC/AA-21812-CC9E0505; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:00:13 +0000 References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> From: Bob Kramer Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:00:13 -0500 To: john hasty Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but > I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC > with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call I > could be wrong on that. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, > Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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[109.84.122.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hs2sm12921979bkc.1.2012.09.12.13.05.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:04:59 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2RIRs0pVl+UGxnSFio3XaRo0hD7gAAJAwg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 14:15:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9E62D0224 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100072D014D for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8CKIFBh007904; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 Received: from core-dgb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.65]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2CE6DE000086; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com> <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.48.252 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347481095; bh=i8t/jzbW3Vjo4Rrv8I3OcDSdJGbDo6Pz1J6G/57Xq7c=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=egXBU3iBL1EvJjnu+8ZJPOm5OOUmJ78kZuwjO+aLOtDWLVK63FKQpTKKUViPYWPPx jwIpa2Rm96YWwPg2Fyyznr7h3/gf86EPqV9hqEhAYw6p8sGijF+YF9fkYR4L6fr6dP 9vKnWDf/zcDOVtnjHAExd1vWNicq8PeNAxIDkz3o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29485050ee075dea Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net And there's not a thing wrong with that Chris! Like the wise-man said... you can't race a broken race car... Glen as it came from factory -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 14:40:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328C52D027B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s7.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s7.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A2F2D0222 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT141-W33 ([65.55.90.135]) by snt0-omc3-s7.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:39:28 -0700 From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: , Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:39:28 -0700 References: <1347459862.80483.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <5050DFB8.3090308@pobox.com>, FILETIME=[B45FE2A0:01CD9126] Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ...as a side note< I should give credit to My father n law "gene" for designing or coming up with the cooling system mods. Gene is a retiried engine builder (sprint car/midget/hotrod) and also "his"bikes owned the 1 mile flat track world records in the late 60's and 70's when he worked for BSA and Triumph . Now, If anyone wishes to have the cooling system mods done , contact me off list and we'll work something out. Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com > From: horizonracing@msn.com > To: cartravel@pobox.com; fot@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:59:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > All my TR3/4 engines are fitted with a dash 8 line from the cold side of the > water pump to the Block drain and a dash 6 from the water fitting in the back > of the head to the thomo housing. Requires some welding and maching of bungs > in the right places. Tony > > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:17:12 -0500 > > From: cartravel@pobox.com > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > > > I have seen a lot of people that run the line from the rear heater port > > to the pump intake. This will encourage more flow to the rear of the > > engine, but then it is taken away, so there is less flow through the > > head and back to the pump. I spoke to a guy that modified his pump for > > an outlet so that he could run water directly from the pump to the rear > > of the engine. I believe he ran it to the drain hole at the bottom of > > #4. Seems like a neat idea and I'm surprised no one else has done it. > > > > The best thing I ever did to help with this problem was to install a > > Chevy radiator that was the width of the inner fenders in my TR3. I > > then had much more control over the heat in the engine. > > Larry > > > > On 9/12/2012 9:24 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > My question to the group is, to aid coolant flow to the rear cylinder I > have > > > always routed the heater bypass pipe running down the left side of the > engine > > > up to the heater valve port on the right side of the head. My thought > being > > > that it is similar to "cracking" open the heater valve on your street car, > and > > > that it would allow some flow to the backside of the #4 cylinder. > > > Any thoughts on this? Glen? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 14:47:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58C62D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 896F82D0222 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 20:49:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 20:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 76662 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 20:49:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347482994; bh=Prf8ovuLxksx7T8rEnKcS9je6SXC+sUl6sdmI1dYc0M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TvG8Fx1Oyx4+lRfyuZXWvoHBQrD1l8idD6Z6K4IYl0oGJtMsJLnVTaM/sovWcXVYIH1ZfSTXFh0/O15nP+xZLPJBRrKAbqYtxothTNv39QIcTMdMAShMf+slN1uQbeqWeGTPHw8aENJABRGqXVhE74wVAPuTAJu8Kj85hj/RiGs= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wZw1Kcjg51K3eHXZ0CyDSMRGITM9qE91qlyO3DrZPGlM+78gP7oE66Q8A1U1mtFV0h8ke4df/wc5MN3SWx2khliCaQO6KmH97Dnduc4xRPNfxyuiPcT/I2VG8y0qdepop54Q6GJpsoYDbkGsG301StVdB8omaiSL6eX0C9r96/4=; MFQg_LzgnFs_5d.DCxe4WikDTIhcpQUUPRA_PNEp5jAyqNuJtmETasgks.Z9 Qkns5Z_Cb7Y_De8g1Y_haYB8OyUBX6hbaA3bOo8MI68sy.Li8pYz4raDhvwc 8jUirig8ZZR81P4oZyK4SVpmNq2XUue3idpYAkJXAAYu3R.hathirzDCYnjS WoeKhG3.FGmE04EaTAKWuNi2MF3Ntq90lNgZloZgjVIbHvuOsDQ..3ZUsiNy WSJ8zPxP5JMDOpMvHVwHo_2Qr1Hik6WPFS648QrPoGrZc3u.qV9FDKPo3qcF eJ_qYePEd78Zxcdszn6mC8RpQod.N.KjVVN8afdVwitcq57GO2e3TQaMfym8 0Wyzf5coXXutWdptX9hOwYMDHkygO.ecz05tFdoJkYG4YTuS3lngUNu1dVPj z_6lH9yR6D1T4ABRzg_kzM4GIBHDUgyRPJvuqf1XDelNPkCvZQ_BLWa9QT3t O4dWkJ8p1LNK8VMcRRTitc8TYlOxrWRiiGeV4bd1R0HsE9cXfTCK1YXgZkWY mpXrkVrDQ1yAWQup8pDOBUMpHNrmwbrJNoGMDifVCWaVuzSorDkcKdttbf5P rXhaCAZGgLjNzDUe9cBrW6SSEV2vgx63JagmZLRoUiReMRR81DlrkqR9YgeI fCUV5JajU.bLPf76S69w- Received: from [72.56.116.228] by web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:49:53 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: fot@autox.team.net, MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 14:55:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6045B2D0286 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C944E2D0222 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhq4 with SMTP id hq4so2094701wib.2 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=lqz71jyI8bVK63AxQN87+TaASM2gzkRvCvpuM/RS9z8=; b=ILydZFcOH/9mvQW4d9375tWlXDWYQTSit8QgBAA43IZqDJcGHhtypy7KmZzbybp8Yz puzgP/RmmH+zLMRVoKrSpSE2sPgLzc8tCI//k5YlZy3h1CLM2wAhfrN3JLbwV/DvdJ0V YJe6FqYerMeGOSwHFGGIEYo3q8hUivG0xOctRVxN8ctD13/7pVPg166E1MDzdKCHRkLW jhEgeB+2ODfQMXVT5cEY4NCn75q2rQF4h5ViLNCpYaAIVzbIGlVgzXz6gsS/dzcpWxLi S67GsULvEXhkBJsNwvu224gI6VF7te1TcsK02V5OW5li/aZbZznSbM1Bz+jI1jt9aA05 kc6g== Received: by 10.216.234.100 with SMTP id r78mr12276420weq.107.1347483163453; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-84-122-215.web.vodafone.de. [109.84.122.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm9762277wiv.11.2012.09.12.13.52.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'EDWARD BARNARD'" , References: <001b01cd9121$e5264050$af72c0f0$@com> <1347482993.73979.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:52:38 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2RKCprLMNZMFAEQWyQjtlVwdiw7gAADV8A Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kas explained me that you have higher temperatures in USA than we have in Europe. So maybe that is a reason why you have to take more care about cooling as we have to. I had only two times races at 100F. Von: EDWARD BARNARD [mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2012 22:50 An: fot@autox.team.net; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Chris: And that was my idea with running a hose from the two heater connections on the engine. The next step would be to have a heater (or cooler in this case :O)) on those two hoses. It would add flow to the rear, and aid in the cooling. If it added nothing it at least didn't hurt anything as far as I knew. Simple ideas from simple minds. -Ed- --- On Wed, 9/12/12, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:04 PM Maybe im not reving enough or have not enough power in my car but I run the engine as it came from factory. Nothing done. If it's getting hot then I switch the heater unit on for additionally cooling. Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 15:11:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF102D0226 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D1F882D021B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 21:07:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.238] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 21:07:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 21:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 15218 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2012 21:07:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Fz+WuJq3a/eu0/tqLHB5ZFA1kYFt+gpOVtU8qPCCnDyxtzdsMkIVoS3l6dDpHXmGvLRDd/WP2FUmColNMZC59KV8LWq/vA7C8KAwPQ72fLg5zUMvXJSnTthw5h1AJuqVM727ySXu7dn2brvrON8kOmG8ubLkUlTr6FfTuLymjJ0= ; s=s1024; t=1347484046; bh=EigBAa07T/mZ6nBfC2h6MjCk2/4snV/9J9xF6ygIDBU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=wgSOG7NO4LMq3WDGBSLDRum1ygs+Di6ReLAWeQEFhSw+poiuVk86DRC+uL1jIZIcTADRBrAO7greXc+B8W9N7oJyCbr7xhsHsqKx2bMl38YXO7f5knEGOXBrN1eu/tNJGIGeSrj4tTjd9rVN2zbt0IZ1UWvDK2rFGtdV1KiZaaM= BDtDZH9I_qxOb4Y0ve8yro5G0Use8cNp7_8atliJ0XrssSxHqlBf2lOzYfjn _hpJoB061Ztf_6Kh5C2U0IeZOIOhfsmRsKq6LxwEge8dSgJkxy4pX3f8BY_W HNMwCVhmE5igB3ePJJoJRjjq_NzCtiDMkbGVSigf0f1N8BsaA9f2L.PJm4XW sx.rCQYRRtEZ6mZobj47WYQm8na.AbYjJZNmmByeIGexE_iUfWThCb9ha0wP zK8A8R4qBFOfkcxwvyN3ssILx2I9i2hUtZHv6ZQMlLgnCsB_e3sgZT8qsHwj K_r7_kWDIAPZx51pw5J8jt0nJvDJsPf3A2TjX3X0YMoyg4s7F4it1Ub2Sq54 MlTViOUQQfkfow29Gr7IpXEeP_3.6SfXqVIy1cUJQ4gaoT_EQfk_xnY4zRX0 px3lNRf.nfdSS_Gs58i9DSYxem2boQLKOjDoD_exo853r2ku6oEdqXBwaT86 4PGWZ_PcquXYqtSD7yBvau609kgszcHbn9moVtY3nqd_MemqVdL3uPyAyg2W z.3YwPy81eAxVkzw- Received: from [10.224.22.225] (tylerpthompson@174.235.132.241 with xymcookie) by smtp111-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2012 14:07:25 -0700 PDT References: <201209121853.q8CIr0o5026105@mail162c2.megamailservers.com> From: Yahoo Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:07:23 -0700 To: Bob Kramer Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I know the feeling Bob. New job here as well And my car is down. Easy fix but between honey dos and available funds, I have had another minimal race season. Next Year! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I love VIR and would love to make the trip but I'm already one week in the > hole on vacation time this year. New job, less time off, it sucks! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> Jim: His name is Tom Benjamin. He has a neat Alfa GTV and a Corvette, but >> I don't see an entry for the Corvette. He keeps the Alfa in Raleigh, NC >> with Apex Vintage so I don't think he would be towing, but give him a call > I >> could be wrong on that. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:44 PM >> To: 'john hasty'; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [Fot] VIR >> >> One from Boulder, CO ? who is it, maybe me and my TR can hitch a ride? >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of john hasty >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:38 PM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] VIR >> >> Ok, Kramer, Blake your other TX guys....just looked at entry list for the >> VIR Gold Cup and there are 9 guys from TX, 1 from Bolder CO, 1 from Tulsa >> OK, 2 from Wis. We need some more TR's you don't want Robert, George, >> Leo and I feel lonesome do ya? >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 18:06:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1562D0292 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873B22D021B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.236.176.183] (157.sub-174-252-191.myvzw.com [174.252.191.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8D09cvU005339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:09:40 -0400 References: <008601cd911d$dcd1d2b0$96757810$@aero> <3450CA80-C5ED-42EC-8CC2-A4FA1BCEA4C6@gmail.com> From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:09:36 -0400 To: Duncan Charlton reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Mike Jankowski, Austin Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2nd.... Another old bike rider is ok with me! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Second! > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Robert MacKenzie wrote: > >> I would like to nominate Mike Jankowski of Austin Texas for FOT > membership. >> >> Mike is an all-around "Triumph Guy". His dally driver (and only roadworthy >> car) is a Spitfire 1500. He is the editor of the Hill Country Triumph Club >> newsletter- The Ragtop. Mike is an active competitor in the local Austin >> autocross scene and drove my '62 Spit to the SCCA SW Divisional title last >> year. >> In previous lives Mike has been a semi-pro bike racer and a US Army Ranger. >> Additionally he has owned one of just about every British car imported to >> the US at some time. >> >> Do I have a second? >> Thank you >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 19:05:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE832C0458 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 519A62D02A3 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13997 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2012 01:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2012 01:01:37 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=54051 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TBxoG-000204-SE for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:01:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:01:35 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 19:19:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CDB2D02BC for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:19:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AB02D0287 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:17:01 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fYEbKr8NQbbHt+yJ401Bdk2BSk/yhfeoah9L84Bb0dDeZnb90mr4N5cM5RihkM3L; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.40] (helo=elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TBy5r-0001ON-7s for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:19:47 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:19:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:19:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3 video from VARA Buttonwillow "Oktoberfest" last weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here's my in-car video from Saturday's qualifying race in HD. Please skip the first 10 minutes if you want to miss 3 minutes of sitting on the grid, the pace lap, the no-green, and the second pace lap! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iiSAdXvV5c ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 19:32:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C971B2D02AC for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AB62D02A7 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yR4e1j0051wfjNsAFRV0co; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:29:00 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yRUz1j00q2xZMJ48jRUz1R; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:29:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:28:59 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:01:40 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: ; ; ; "fubog1" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > AE "Hepolyte" pressure cast 87mm pistons were set up by AE with .005" > clearance at the bottom of the skirt at 90 degrees to the pin. Most > forged pistons will require more than that. > Kas has mentioned his technique of warming the piston in boiling water, > measuring the skirt diameter at that temperature, then adding (if I > remember correctly) .003" to the "hot size" of the piston to determine the > correct bore size. > In the engine we built that scuffed skirts 3 times in succession, it > always ran fine on the dyno and it high rpm. It scuffed the skirts idling > in the garage, running slowly around the pits, and after a hard run on > curvy mountain roads, driving slowly on city streets, then pulling into a > parking low. The culprit was the low rpm not putting enough oil onto the > cylinder walls of an engine with "steel billet rods" that had no provision > for squirting oil onto the cylinder walls at low rpm. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 19:33:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E442D02C9 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAD62D02A7 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yR6f1j0031smiN4ABRaUWV; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:34:28 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yRaU1j00E2xZMJ48gRaUk8; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:34:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:34:28 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm forwarding these message for Greg. He has not been able to communicate through the FoT autox.team.net address. Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:04 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Robert Blake" ; ; Cc: "Blake Gregory" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Concerning water flow and overheating. On all race engines we modify the > block to improve water flow to the rear of the block. 1. Mount up the > water pump housing onto the front of the block. with the liners removed, > grind the rectangular opening through which all the water passes into the > block. treat it like a head port. Enlarge the hole to match the gasket > opening, smooth the transition into the block, open the hole to promote > water flow down the right side of the water passage. 2. Round off and > reduce the projections into the water jacket under the long cylinder head > studs without removing to much material. 3. open up the rectangular > opening in the bulkhead of the block between cylinder #2 &3. Round off the > edges of this hole in a way to promote flow the front to the rear of the > block. At the rear of the block, grind open the top rear to match the > triangular water holes in the bottom rear of the head. Modify the head > gasket to match. So the water transfer passages from the block the to head > are both triangular, matching, and at least as large as the head casting > will allow without getting to close to the cylinder sealing ring. 4. > Lastly, lay the head gasket on the top of the block. There are 4 small > round water holes on the left side under the spark plugs. Mark these hole > on the top of the block and on the top of the liners. mark the liners so > they can be reinstalled in the EXACTLY SAME POSITION each time they have > been removed. Now grind a channel that is 1/2 round at the top, about 2 > inches long, getting wider toward the bottom straight down the inside of > the water jacket of the block so that you have created a channel that > leads water up into the round hole in the gasket and then into the passage > under each of the 4 spark plugs. You can beneficially do the same thing on > the matching side of each liner so there will be a fully round hole > feeding water to the under side of each spark plug. > We have not found it necessary to restrict any of the passages or vent > coolant out of the heater outlet on the head. > We also slow the water pump down by about 30% for engines that are > normally run at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 as we believe the pump was > designed to operate optimally at around 2500 rpm in a Vanguard Saloon car. > We have seen a lot of air bubble formation in engines run on the dyno at > speeds over 4,000 rpm. Reducing the water pump speed 30% resulted in a > dramatic reduction in these bubbles, and an increase in power at 6,000 rpm > of about 6% on a "full race" engine. > Lots of oil and the cylinder walls, proper skirt clearance, good > coolant flow from front to rear in the block, a good radiator properly > ducted and sealed to the front of the car should cure the scuffing and > overheating issues. > > Greg Solow > > The Engine Room > > Santa Cruz, Ca > > 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 19:38:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359AD2D02AE for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CEF2D02AB for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yRMh1j0021GXsucA8Rhjy2; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yRhj1j00K2yr1eL8URhjbQ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:43 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've been practicing Greg's expert motor building tips with his direct assistance and hope to be testing them soon. Lucky for me to live in Santa Cruz, Dave H. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:18:15 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "EDWARD BARNARD" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Greg Solow" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > Lubricating the cylinder walls in a TR-4 engine with billet rods. When > you install a standard TR-4 road bearing in a billet con rod, the oil hole > that used to transfer oil up the stock rod now sits at roughly a 45 degree > angle in the rod. We have our machinist drill a hole about 1/2 way through > the wall of the big end of the rod in line with this oil hole and about > 1/8" in diameter. The hole is then finished the rest of the way through at > a diameter of .030". This creates a jet that two times each revolution of > the engine, when the hole in the bearing lines up with the oil feed hole > in the crank rod journal, squirts oil on the "thrust side" of the cylinder > wall. I.e., the rods must be assembled so the hole faces the manifold side > of the engine. > This idea was copied from the design of the English Ford 116e which do > the same thing. It supplies enough oil to the thrust side of the cylinder > and piston to prevent scuffing at any rpm, if the clearance and finish are > correct. > We can have your rods done for you, if you wish. Call for more > information. > > Greg Solow > > 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 20:03:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2815C2D02C7 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085742D029F for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yD2N1j00B1HpZEsA3S1xZF; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:01:57 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yRwx1j0052yr1eL8aRwxiy; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:56:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:56:56 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Tony, I think the red mist began when the umbrella girls walked by on the grid. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:01:35 PM Subject: [Fot] In-car video, Road America last weekend (1 of 3) First video from ELVF at Road America last weekend. This was a qualifying race, and folks were behaving poorly for some reason. 1080p video, got some rattling from the go-pro within its case. You can see some of what's going on behind me in the right hand door mirror. http://youtu.be/0xxASD8etiE More (better) to come as I produce the videos. Front suspension upgrade was fine, although I ended up with less ground clearance than I planned. I'll take it back apart and flip the lower wishbones right side up to get a bit more clearance. Turn in didn't feel as crisp as I remembered, but that may have something to do with going back to used Speedsters. Thanks again to everyone who offered advice, pictures, parts and moral support in the front suspension swap! Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 20:08:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461302D02AB for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C962D02A7 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yS7p1j0041GXsucA8SBD5f; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:11:13 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ySBC1j00T2xZMJ48USBCPd; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:11:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:11:12 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Never be beaten by equipment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oops, I forgot this one. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "davehogye" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:17:23 PM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Greg Solow" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Fw: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Robert Blake" ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment > > >> Piston scuffing can be caused by lack of lubrication on the cylinder >> walls, especially at low rpm when using "steel" billet connecting rods >> that do not have any provision for oiling the cylinder walls at low rpm, >> as do the stock rods. We have seen this happen in 3 consecutive rebuilds >> of the same engine with 3 different makes of pistons, even with "coated" >> piston skirts. The fix was to modify the rods to squirt oil onto the >> cylinder walls each revolution of the engine. >> >> Greg Solow >> >> The Engine Room >> >> Santa Cruz, Ca. >> >> 831 429-1800 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 08:37:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF7A2D02E8 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 83C6F2D027B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16178 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2012 14:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2012 14:38:58 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=61410 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TCAZG-00064n-3H for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:38:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:38:56 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] VSCDA ELVF, In-Car videos 2 and 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Elkhart Lake Vintage Fest, Road America, 9/9/2012 races. "Sheldon Cup" for Production cars running 2:40 to 3:00 lap times. Good race early, then things got predictable. I edited out the laps where nothing much happened. It's nice that they set up this race and the "Kimberly Cup" for cars running 3:00 or greater lap times - you get to run with some guys you don't normally run with, and get another session in race format (rather than practice format) which is what we all live for. http://youtu.be/pZ4ra1jJ3t0 Group 2 Feature Race. Fun start, then things settled down. THEN my car cut out briefly and let a couple of the cars who were following me by. That made things more interesting as I try to chase them back down. Fun finish. http://youtu.be/vKkpcMcxxZk In both videos, the go-pro is rattling inside the case a bit. That's kind of annoying. I'll have to figure out something to fix that. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 10:10:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD8D2D0300 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EA8A2D02E4 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.102] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 16:10:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 69459 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2012 16:03:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347552211; bh=JEIeQ3TXmjGHhWBQMi6z0XUTxg3Jcfhtufhq44pTT64=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pb3BR3ZVQD1+fMVZTjL+N5TOvc99IPaUO9l8BNyPXRhBryoRsqsaJ0ZoQhYOY9AQnU5aX779zBdNkxpk8CoiLZdN8x87+cAqu91qVsoTXyAMI8ofNhHkLiErTKddGsYcdZQRrql6eKviYXBpcjyZoshR30ZhNeS0TvpwzsD9LO8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CuTI8SLRYdOif4MqDFcNLFUxDqS5LjLBqINhiDiT7dShqtd4uaNShmFpXgA0AH3ZZZ9yVoelVz7nj9K5+6quDPtZo2OzpuOIhs/SeatA6eRbER3V9KvttUVAYSeXL1yuWMzkoV7zVHiO62sjF/i3GrGUVSU2XofZuKIqQFxs/2A=; Pixqu6WIg5YPWZ9fQsALTrblVSj2XOuyXdukLYAPlqjnKuw3p.kTVIg.GW4E LBGH4G9gDQsoBpX.ZJqu7UUFH86KrJZRE1xUWHFD7K8Yxz6f8uamsGgcCGXj apVkLj_QMvpfj4As9inWDM57TX6zgrrirvUY7xXNJAp.CVrQGyKOmMWCOOdg 2tgBpiooWtmHZFo4VRfm.mGrJaBdAUS_NSMwuKDy.VOudZr_NLnc3IR3h2Eb 1F2t8ET59NmVWAVvMVyrfBtxZoD7lDt3sEqIxBp98g7Y8NsZDQTQdzTVVjpT QDcr6Vf6AKADpIc5_LlsMhiIPxvlTzBhpOfC8Zq0wl9QhMPx6rHtsOPsP6sP 1R9EYIOC68VHh4o94cIsMzgNmoN.q0UoCiYgrt4FdNNZ_Bx8npEU9hA.fNwE W7aEzsrYALJLZrVgzMDK2Z0A- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:03:30 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of $$$ IMHO... 280961967514 item number on eBay... not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or current bids... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 10:11:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BCA2D033B for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D132D02E4 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8DGCsIb015967 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:54 -0400 Received: from core-mse003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.73]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BA2E0E000097 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.198) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347552774; bh=NhqWvsQ7GQ3jchuaOsGtdZIBVQ8jOaWCTGfHKapuvIg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pYwt0wHyV3PszNTmGEGUkomOWoa/5+yNo6JjwVUrjXg0SbVwXVKDBzZKzeZ2FF3ZV K1MJL/6d54NOTYcPxmsowjf1T7oBgY2oAiPuZN+y+IkOqGcYRtHXPUnv2hSuqGYWe8 a6tDEC9ZZysFh9gpwVF/INcmEmxyzH+XL5BdNHFU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50520605583b Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. I was told, early on, that this wouldnt work, but it has. Now we are known globally, even though we have made little effort in that direction. RECENT Donors: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER These are unsolicited donations. But, If you must: Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4@CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 10:17:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCC22D031F for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s33.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s33.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F39A2D02FB for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU401-EAS397 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:20:21 -0700 References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Charles WATSON Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:20:16 -0400 To: Bobby Whitehead FILETIME=[AC0E7670:01CD91CB] Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good to see it. Tired of seeing undervalued GT6's. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 10:33:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7F82D031E for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A762D02EC for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS509 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s9.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:35:55 -0700 References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Vince G Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:35:52 -0400 To: Bobby Whitehead FILETIME=[D8B116E0:01CD91CD] Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type of > $$$ IMHO... > > 280961967514 > > item number on eBay... > > not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or > current bids... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 11:28:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0742D02FC for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51D52D02FC for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8DHO9WA021223; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:24:09 -0400 Received: from [75.207.114.232] (232.sub-75-207-114.myvzw.com [75.207.114.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 6C827E00014E; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:24:08 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: chasgee@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:05 -0500 To: Vince G x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347557049; bh=WIh5961mbE2/WBBypTFWGDUJmcFULCGhUZsVfi3kCQk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=bqKLTe6R9T3pqSgzMclYVP5ppn05ic01Y1J358puRCQxQm2S24gDL9flK3F5WiAoE 2Lg7N54K70u58zLVNkqpp5mkoeO+A6/aEDdUYeYQowQ6gx/7fNoy/YSxv6O59+JrSx 5o38a6t3XOXghsI93/o3fzSZzoiEfFbbKPuETduc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c5505216b825e5 Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Cool, sold for $18,500! On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > >> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type > of >> $$$ IMHO... >> >> 280961967514 >> >> item number on eBay... >> >> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >> current bids... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 11:50:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EC92D02D5 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s47.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s47.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.51.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D9C2D016A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS303 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s47.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:53:40 -0700 References: <1347552210.67227.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <64B57791-0A73-4AB0-8392-92DEFCD04F6D@aol.com> From: Vince G Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:53:21 -0400 To: "chasgee@aol.com" FILETIME=[B50E5030:01CD91D8] Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 on eBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It sure was handsome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-13, at 1:24 PM, chasgee@aol.com wrote: > Cool, sold for $18,500! > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> A person would have to see it close up. Definitely a 12k + value I'd say >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-09-13, at 12:13 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: >> >>> I think somebody is confused.... this car is not in the realm of this type >> of >>> $$$ IMHO... >>> >>> 280961967514 >>> >>> item number on eBay... >>> >>> not frame off, not rebuilt, and not a lot in the terms of the BUY IT NOW or >>> current bids... >>> >>> Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 07:20:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7157D2D0300 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D74A2D02B8 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8EDNmhC016068 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 Received: from core-mse003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.73]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BB0C0E000081 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347629028; bh=Nf7AY7bLmPhM7EQ7GKRtCTggGHK1k6KnlIPudaUbEbQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZS2iF6VSRJ7LHBSJFeo6dISZpCsghjG1LzSU5EOCZcBl1j+0BDdM3/ytNXZcpPxk7 gpA04TbLHKVbjJy69ECvP/IkOyUf7jkGjx8QVSEa9648yQMES8lQFb9AVyi1Q6qqN8 4fAKFRUyv1LyA5rlbA4iTNAEailX23WlyTgF6RGs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b50532fe404d0 Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT NON-DUES HONOR ROLL The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. THIS WEEK'S HONOR ROLL: BOBBY WHITEHEAD BILL DENTINGER BOB KRAMER CHARLES WATSON BOB DAVIS These are unsolicited donations Checks to: Friends of Triumph.....I maintain an account under that name. PAYPAL = N197TR4@CS.COM Thanks, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 08:46:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2DF2D0360 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CE72D0337 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8EEnEWs010161 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 Received: from core-mse003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.73]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4B838E000082 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347634154; bh=54O80OMmBhW4m7ut4f+MUPmlQifN1er7Pl4Oz18NIKc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wSG4fWGVtQW7QFaVbYbaZmsKJekldC4fDP33svrL+DghSz9fuv20Xeoyx71Ty8lha GV/OPUt0FuhHEMUh6+BuLyegvlIZC3iPNmrDdSPCDGgO0zCUuDfGtA3AzFXHgTquDB mvMWGvABDvp3Ifdf6tvuvZRAoXYwhzfFwD1qSnCM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908505343ea0236 Subject: [Fot] THE KASTNER CUP FEATURED IN "TRIUMPH WORLD" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net UK's "TRIUMPH WORLD" did a three page feature on the KASTNER CUP at THE MITTY. It is an outstanding article with text and pictures by John Clancy. Thank you John! John and his wife have been invited to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September and it is their current plan to join us. John, of course, produced "CALIFORNIA AIR" and several other TRIUMPH DVDs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 13:00:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5C62D0376 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6793B2D0365 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8EJ3WQX006782 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:32 -0400 Received: from core-mse003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.73]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 748C0E000099 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:03:31 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347649412; bh=uXQ0xzH+JA8ihXvIhb6qQH5+BdVfc2gIN3MD09wTQV4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rTBsLL4jb+98/LR2DPYQ1MGxAkkBlQz4qQFBHCj+KIgoPOnmKO4e1QaW++235y1zi J3GqvYi9Ws9cogXqgoKBFWguaR4qTdNaXHh5orxZUTT3fs2NbtVw0zsbnJYnJ+FzK2 +9gNgegPm41Z2DbcmArEPE/IWCsA0hiuOitKcGnQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294850537f837860 Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 13:09:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6482D035A for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AA882D033F for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2012 19:11:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2012 19:11:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2012 19:11:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 35936 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2012 19:11:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347649875; bh=Il6TkBq2AQGbu7z/zjGbvX6Ku7A9OKdyvwqJuA77gyk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C6CQSU3CgfzWlN2bLxXksM2ny37rgd9p6PSYg7WG5TR/rJKN2/HPbBaWdzKSnycfzddglxPoik0MZWTUUa4jmS1Rxb+N7vpuGusrfHxSEpPMKOlkOSxiP77awSiIMX+gw2dwV0rZUqnfdTzZApI53EQFpIC/OldaoKoqDWcDt/U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2SUxZRprcrO4vUpSFVF7Nr3l1B7A+4tm879jS3gG1L+B+bIuFiG5XfMtjApGMZIMxF39ebq9cCQDTi+A93sLfBkSE6JrbUgFFyckwMzY/bqeCgVBv6qQIHVlLCsJwknrRDH4mxxCTibeWWQfVlVsOfSNM5b/Q+kxh/gDZaz9USA=; yVRWSgtbmp872j.ZONRaHe9P2MpX8Bcn7KAvO0SQ.cu33RmvHrtkHN506HbT IytSUnidspNpZxEOOfnzvOC0N20oY_fPCb8cmy9iFwqifsdt1wsP3KWoKQo3 RquO_upaUFuW4peWd8v_urmQfz0NxGquPB9xNXgFWRHNDebv9N.glMiqh0Vm 9m49ihdUQ875cnJjRN0vi36t6qtX59AldVg_RPs_7rOLiyvIawR0voBjZuqI CPoaWD7X.COvVsByE9J6Cm15uWsRotbcjZssKPitBf_CuxWx0AELHTg6Zbfc YFz4OKzI7P7hEZ4ZfaG6hpr1DEKbYWIECck7sUbNLZVTogc8mO1f9VbfXt13 aLYyoDO2mnUjkbcKXbMTfQYr4gzT2ZANg12qlY7B5fvsbOYNkSzcSb23BJyp bsP9iiabqlaC14zbsI.JxY6ZAIa6OgvZEPtgN5RtB9DRNe37XGzHqO1Utmjo GYi759N_ZHMKkxFHNMx5fsOYUAStcNFSu0SuZQIGONRe8B5bnaRM58U910IY jk209R1MEeh1I Received: from [64.132.65.78] by web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:11:15 PDT References: <8CF60C2C4090792-BA4-6596E@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernest Husmann To: Joe Alexander , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yeap; where do you plan on watching from? ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [Fot] HALKIAS FAN CLUB AT SCCA RUNOFFS NEXT WEEKEND Iowa based HALKIAS fan club will be at Road America to support Sam Halkias....in small way. SEAN BRENDAN JOE Anyone else going to join us? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 17:31:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70572C0D03 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (ns1.wave1.net [74.219.105.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEE82C0BF6 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.56] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:43:28 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:33:53 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2S0WbMoIL38wseSBeE0bkj3UXSrA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Austin Healey Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a new one? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 17:43:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1656E2D034E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C872D021A for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id z3ES1j0041Y3wxoADBjChE; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:43:12 +0000 Received: from [10.161.56.239] ([198.228.209.60]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zBik1j00M1Jk1Fq8bBioCm; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:43:09 +0000 References: <000601cd92d1$671d8360$35588a20$@net> From: James Gray Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:42:43 -0600 To: Mike Moore Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Austin Healey Help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Try sports car craftsmen in Denver co. Ask for Paul. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Not a Triumph, but he is my dad, and he needs a right front axle for his > Austin Healey 3000 Mk III. > > > > Does anyone have an idea where he could look for one, as you cannot buy a > new one? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 15 12:15:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B1A2D0160 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A570E2C0D4E for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8FIEZ7O016863; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:35 -0400 Received: from core-mse003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.73]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 07D9EE000093; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:35 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:35 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347732875; bh=BCbH9gmyQgI9K0fVQrMV0RzXOjtXtT8hMaCygqrKkyE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jVnIso5cWe4FeGlssYLglPF3PNtFdHq1tfgH48bgD1d3H5kKT2MgP/DjA+KKip3WK Sjnf+bP5xUBP64MMm2X1j8DpDf5y/y2r+cHe0USKl67qzxCcQ7EMPjYCNuzIYe5oFc qy9sm39hbjtv0yV2v7L6WJXri7b9WTAWv4AescmE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29085054c58b3057 Cc: bdischer@blakedischer.com Subject: [Fot] FOT ARTIST WANTED 2013 KASTNER CUP POSTER AT ROAD AMERICA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH, Looking for contributing artist for our FOT/VTR POSTER SERIES for the 11th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.. past artists have been: BLAKE DISCHER GREG PETROLATI STEVE BELFER The poster series has been a collaboration between the FOT AND THE VTR for the past several years. It is produced by Joe Pawlak (ISOA) at his material cost and paid for by VTR. Posters are distributed free to FOT and VTR members as an event premium for those who are able to attend.. Simplicity is key as it will also likely be used on our event shirts. Additional value is achieved by using this image to advertize and promote the Kastner Cup throughout the year. This is another example of how we operate without a need for large cash outlays...... THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 00:52:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB352D01AC for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ABA22D019F for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 06:55:49 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 06:55:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 06:55:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 5159 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2012 06:55:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347778549; bh=CaliWlHX3+lHhMLfSiLpeJU8It/TDY9emzVjEsZgYRk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a2+KvIKo/6UUQb04uv49EyJxs7XBJZwD9m0ixh/s9d9NUncnpdbU7vIsnYzB10OhZWHLm/FrnJrWRHZQYWLw9uuL0FMaRRWFyMyi/0pImbXBBC8Hj+1+lrBWtu0adtRHGsgq5n9DNi9VamsPQAEtjIUfKlwlOk0gv5PVP1uY0q8= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=05XnOzvaIOb+qloloC7SfCZH6Ex/43GbncG2huz/oZeVNcmX9fV4qN/40pPOVQxKHNexnD64q16UgSmYm5D9aa6nEDd+nIj4CNuXJChTCM6LZLRQyxSuk1naowQm2lp01nB5Fk4cOcFNzvaa1ai/pCyzxuy2v8v8UF5K55Uj/bQ=; vuSMN4jNyK1wYJywYFcp5QzbfGSm9uwL9qoFuSifwwDDcboXSGXJ_Fir.iIk TRM98zH614enDF4Ag1SDHg_Bc1PG68rmS_NR4ICazWXamkcbE2YKTb4fuAYw lngOu6g01AbgD2.H_FCbwv.zX6MiwF70t5zs873IOBGhxq2aHqH4PBl.joTz ErJAd_nxEQJDQp_ll8dffVFr8bSjnNxJSeM9PUlXPgS0DsDMzHg7xNgQ5m4g zMZ3iTgeeHZ.H3W_SXc2Ri7xgwnKA_lefvcbBwMzIkK4tp6GeS2fsOOldVVk QXW.w8QgK70tkWGlllLC3G9uhgUIahmGC0G7pP10prV8WKAFNvBYPm9.dMRi 3fpHZPBL1_KTV0kXzB8OaAotJZsnFq97fBLIkF7w2NaGS9xNZC7SIZRkRqm8 HmJgY25VMnVs_vB2EbqPEp94PLn4g6ehoOIqG2y8hULyMkJIHFS2y8cGJNaH k2OSENcdreH.RdQE7mmyxidx8YabssxzFHM1jFaU54kLU7RKTU5iBYDu0gCS WR7mBTgKORyrwugLr5mKgBdhMjOA- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:55:48 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR6 petro injection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Group: There is an entire petro system for a TR5-6 available in Salado, TX. http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/3177433387.html NFI! Thanks - Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 00:57:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B565A2D01AC for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C25612D01AA for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 07:00:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.67] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 07:00:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 07:00:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 58754 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2012 07:00:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347778851; bh=a7i6GLmZdmQj5Fk+KyxurgZ82ak0qUFMaKmWsmwvmZo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5Id6CtBhWDwSUjmr7nxwy+8fs47LbUcHInPhzfz7lGWtXBMrMztOV4b7iMM8aizgu08aqB2VlN82oGFy9J1Jlxq8zLDyVQlaUz0y1CxAEoSpltvckz71aqJ8M6He05GhzQrWc8N+ufWRV0OOPscipDIFGop/CeGo2zag11Xo218= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SazeAtjfPC7s9RQ1uXnJXd0NCCjLGCxOUtCkw4rawOnIqlU1Rcn0kGkZgqVEKmwUWRBpbnkH+Ti9wuHu2wLe8R6bh2Riwz8ujd7OJeMADiyp0m7OgWUvYLgP62uIOauvD2sUnrrsrg9YZXYmfhFe4T6r+crygELw1bfYzTwcbFI=; rgW4TfJxLRA455ihcGHZ97HofuQj_Vms_Ccs7CVDtfl7.7CTrp2XRRl68d6n cvrkjbu8fnAgkpM23F2UixaFaDocOPQUonzPRAzED3AIR7ZFFkD.F4dj0d_l Yx6vEdr6EdaNOkkhp2RFoz6LfCogOpQGiRe5HunIGNtblAU3huzvyIEtlD3s 8rDnJ6nz32PN_6GfMMh_DIMFbMxNObEQFglSikR5ZQQWvUVs7SpZ_p7pO71T F_CXlAR22qAeKDb2I9yQuMv_451z2sIvsNPmBEGU4_WUH2LyFVQhlqEQu0CM R_jjqtvl20PxjA0fygmQHkUghX_ZNVC7wBO6DZd0ldKtZchvkN_OruU7Y7Za KDOVX78WnIUcnuJCqK44.I0MutS6z05_3YSH6p3wk04KfcbqClxAjJeEqWxb iEWZtngfxGGadxucOXxVriXKsv.SuaxYFmQkRMNtvjctM Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:00:51 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 4.55/1 diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Group: While clearing stuff off the pallet racks in the shop I came upon a 4.55/1 Spitfire diff. This is the complete third member minus the rear cover and stub axles, although I have plenty of those on the shelf. VGC! Great for autox! If anyone is interested email me. Thanks - Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 15:48:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B177E2D033C for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63B02D01B9 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so4594727vcb.14 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:51:29 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=7ffB5X/vpy+jZzpGsLI4JAzagcRfoUYiCPW7bRXlmvI=; b=O9WdYPr7SKKRO2/ST2f8CNzrnsBewx5JSvt4l0VuMpshgJupc51pDzzIms3PJqMaO4 2MCRZEZ7iPuQkxhrbel5iCyyjc3YXFWAupIz5duYoTGEHkYB5T/FWuXBs4u75Q+gK4dz v9ddxspR6/C99qWI1x4HBwCHso6Ks/hZ52s7sazBF+I5hFmHvntZE1RtIpuF8v8tO8Dx VyEBFA8/UtCMkoFzsREHsbJtw6DsJMhxpf3rqfpHmROtQfYwhwJILP9KOKEvFi+ubzmv 3/Od0MNyXe2Is1/VAeK9eKMD20X5VIPEwojqcbrhV/pA8s9+vCtRCgVvbG8Wv1y3maD1 RFDQ== Received: by 10.52.95.46 with SMTP id dh14mr2609569vdb.114.1347832289708; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.169.68 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:51:09 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re TR6 petro injection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i can probably help with a complete system but I'm in Australia Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 16:42:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1F52D01C1 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm16.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA8BC2D0160 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm16.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 22:44:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.137] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 22:44:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2012 22:44:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 93339 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2012 22:44:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=p0MmipIGyyvR0+/PfPQOxW5ETnzdhGm6oBCB2Xam3+nwVHdfDPijjzzSm2NV2YIPvCls649sy5FnLNp/tHOSBGqg1wXSNPoJNqpitBccRKd4Qna0eNjLzEkRrUC3Ww/ZiUKz3wcvcYwdQYblk/fcgSkt/QxXkqEjAQhT4ApDn4k= ; s=s1024; t=1347835497; bh=VuzdPNexIgVgh9fTS5QTmYU4njM3tRgxtlhiT/167MU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=NJCD6R8t3JsJAjqc8o5ll17TPRTFyMVWsiLdS68LerA9JzpMumqJKKVHYY+K8HDXpjrFXJsSDJP39wn3Ehkg4HvEDGA5TRGNLyEmZ8/sqCgC56MwnTh65MQHFJqwSGXdzdF9D65vMJJXO9wmkpupoIPjf6eYprKo9cGSiebdNOg= aX2BFwuVOBIs..3ggwYMy2e2uKyDtTnQrQLv2z4zeohl177n.pAnAEhEgMBs Aja2Jooomv_m1osWoKz8A4CngJgQAIIstj5ATUhK8wghe9kaToq.mfUYRihY PywvnYMHPHwjZj1z9h9Yz2eZTIMbfRSoPToH7sFFmlK8u4Mogl6THhSc_yS7 RmMIDNiCXu2VJ3D0zVHE3xcfncKSu_qzGjfkqcdmu7OfAJRidrGttE88a0cU DRDXVJSKQ8Yw2SzJbTHOKJDieKq7GhNFw5ydzyUpbHDaZXpBUSVtWlginL49 G7vvOc0gPETITu2kpmEOM.O5IS.Rj9YjTH1ZPKCdqV5I.vLFabQbIv24zXhw BuH.W74rnmseTFkuCkHOb8cSWfniavaszRwys7AK.rL0WrF05wcmFuGPPZQ- - Received: from [192.168.1.67] (yellow-green@99.43.68.42 with xymcookie) by smtp121-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2012 15:44:57 -0700 PDT From: Dennis Delap Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:44:53 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 17:32:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50ED2D0395 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFCB2D0383; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbro12 with SMTP id ro12so9206448pbb.14 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=wQSbCnjpsgucAjBTXOhil5576zBnIo7T9keHznUVwIs=; b=DYEvMLMPuXOKinfeFZN60PW06LxZ1TX2heeo7R+qG2neBih9sTK/RFdN3abYECVFTI 1dA2cbqYB3HzQZwU7JYsFtBY9zHdc5zCeYMyxjulnO+BbLsM6PZfPnDplPY/EssKAWMF gBxLj7DqdVw5tdwlnLuv4TmqDXsJP6dqarGagHHB01Y3esDKxAQYqfyF8X7XHbj6l6Vt RDXX78i55UrMZCXxzEzj8i1NlvgCfFfnk9vDhsmCJnlMr9fGAVlV+k3KDjC3ylXqmOiw EYOdOKe1mP30vr+sjiiCWR8ZmjLXFdw8mdVYdTzED2mbl9MwTuHMh7U35lUgsvQpMjHk 2CyA== Received: by 10.68.193.162 with SMTP id hp2mr18778203pbc.34.1347838556559; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (75-171-58-163.phnx.qwest.net. [75.171.58.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vd4sm5875263pbc.41.2012.09.16.16.35.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:35:51 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Triumph List , FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale - Around $2500-$3000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was recently approached by a guy who decided to put his 1957 TR3 up for sale. He has had it for a number of years & decided to rebuild it. According to him the engine & rest of the drive train is done and I think he said the suspension was done. Anyway he went through a divorce, kept the car but lost the garage. The car has been sitting outside under a tarp for a couple of years. Since he can't find a garage for it he has decided to sell it. The body needs cleaning up and painting and it needs an interior. He has a bunch of new parts for the car. The car is located a couple miles South of Flagstaff off # 17. For details, call Jerry at 928-607-5018 TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 17:53:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14432D03B0 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EF22D038B for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4B32E067 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:58:47 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <110965EB-D54A-4478-885C-EAABA2A0755E@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dennis Delap wrote: > ...Alexander. > > Hope you had a good day. > Dennis&Joan > _______________________________________________ I'll certainly second that! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 18:56:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D4C2D0395 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018DD2D0383 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zwWm1j0051eYJf8A30zMLu; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:59:21 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 00zM1k00D2yr1eL010zMbR; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:59:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Dennis Delap Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes indeed, Happy Birthday, Joe. H ope you had a good day. Thanks for the reminder, Dennis. D&D in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Delap" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:44:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Joe ...Alexander. Hope you had a good day. Dennis&Joan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 07:00:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A24D2D0438 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046082D0408 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8HD3UHD005876 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0400 Received: from core-mse003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.73]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 31468E000090 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF5FE1C38A63DE-750-13530@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <8CF60934F08DA22-BA4-636BD@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347887010; bh=CyofGj88uWC5hx6j9BuDK3dNTpLfn0sE6oQ2X+77k2o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C3Kq72QfQdqSJWKtnnmrs2dyxkdLsTTiod7qX4heRCyT7/3JmTnB381oCCDNDUamP saTCsut9NQMNbMoLSaTJIaJnbh1MtsnEHQniPCt/zVLSCmLI+845NAt+smRd/DUU4K TZA0KWWRxpPj91zB7xeRVl+I1VqYBsnTXHTRRuNc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50571fa23774 Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDS a non-solicitation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Add contributors to the list: DAVE HOGYE BRAD AND SUSAN KAHLER JEFF SNOOK Thanks guys................... If you are a commercial entity and on this list, your involvement is welcome, too. The FOT has never had dues and avoided rules.....just would rather not. Too much effort. 300 TRIUMPH GUYS ON THIS LIST. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 09:12:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104AE2D048C for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E93B12D0475 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.79] by nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 15:14:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 55233 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2012 15:14:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347894858; bh=yCuf29qwQuOyj7Z/cqs86JOuxG1XQqzOrcrSvOIZF+8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=q6MC8F5fFT5r9a9ExHLGlpWro9q0sAsrkCll2Xk7hgOeUncKlhTCpS+kd5c300/4zO41ecwxCI+q6YPoWBRO3XlYvLjRB1xKMcCgpdsenLo68Kg3yrEzrN4pkbdQA8srblXzA3nT3OuWBVICZkxJinQZgnIi5SpnVOgI8aEUtKM= CtvhGOlRQ_uRnZ4nBWMEa7SQK7bwuAkKuU2C_Qh9Q2aqWLMCBrxnksDrRtER P5PeBugDZdewZq_4tBYx92xoQOt6MaCgGabkAVl9ZA2iBy2EmHsGuSRk7SLP vo0hotD8xzeROz9dxR7kAuCfJcc749iWT2XKuLGUY6AWbw2bQQeoYbfrXLmQ Df3JSB.j3g6br26TbjVs6iCOjDiYjCO05NocQX6XMR1mLUnmKhYJdQmAQXX9 1FWHJo1K3s4g1xReO4Tf7teW0lv5_ets.2d2cmIWmed6Ck1XPZvWaVQx4q80 Pj3.OSCV7FjpMa66sKQHiknEkVvSBFnk3R9j4vcWEaoXN.Z8sBrAVsq4lygg _5Ho_JWZoQ6f8.0yIX50ubDmVxqGqPPiP4sAnZSL9qof8bDT7pDYEO9cDI3S Rutg_pP7aOqB1Pi23unIMxHM5uw6JvVVOG672qxlnRkLjZhTuTamBbV8lxih DtUQ.oancGhnYifHaYKbYWFEA2OCJIyZmGFCALldE6NeWcscFTP1YiA7nLTz 1PeBq52s7HOmRHDDteuEJOZKi8LI359bsPnfZfYH7Qvk30m0yFAVnoZgyo69 wKtYF6IHr6qBNFmV.cmCBxpYoyYn8dDenD5GUrP57aSEfXKu4tMRj_iswHMf w9YQELA8- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@74.176.160.102 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2012 08:14:17 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:14:25 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2U5x+0tN8CK8dlTn2UhQ10mNHodw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. Replace guides and all valves. 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover collapsed piston (called by Kas). 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & sleeves. Install that night. 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how large the class was!) 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. Thanks gang! The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 10:00:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072652D04A5 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D002D03C7 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT401-EAS363 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s28.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:03:10 -0700 References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> From: Vince G Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:05 -0400 To: Richard Taylor FILETIME=[EF3FACA0:01CD94ED] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be done > without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a close > second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 Spitfire. My > little anguish-list above appears inconsequential compared to the nose > damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 10:07:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D082D03F7 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30FE2D03D3 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8HG9xIb012860; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:10:05 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Vince G'" , "'Richard Taylor'" References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:09:58 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2U7fttLGC2dEuOSr2f5AaSUbFyTgAAMAHw reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Vince G Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:03 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Awesome replay of a hard fought and successful outing filled with challenges... Thanks for sharing and congrats! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-17, at 11:15 AM, "Richard Taylor" wrote: > ANATOMY OF A VINTAGE RACE. Road Atlanta Oct. 14 - 16, 2012 > > > > 1. Two weeks before race: remove head and grind 3 angle valve seats. > Replace guides and all valves. > > 2. One week to go; replace head, crank up engine and hear the deep > stomach growling of a loose piston. Plea goes out to FOT. > > 3. Four days to go; pull head, pan, pistons, etc. and discover > collapsed piston (called by Kas). > > 4. Cannot get 89 mm kit in 3 days so overnight 87 mm pistons & > sleeves. Install that night. > > 5. One day before race; drive to Road Atlanta but engine fails 10 > miles from track. Broken rocker arm shaft. (#4 exhaust cantilever). > > 6. Drive 50 miles back to ATL on 3 cylinders (& rush hour traffic > pulling trailer)and locate used shaft. Install & drive back to RA. > > 7. Saturday: Lose overdrive in 2nd qualifying race. Find hidden broken > wire. Ready for Sunday Enduro. > > 8. Sunday morning: running first in class, 1 :10 in the 1:15 minute > race, left front wheel bearing fries = DNF. > > 9. Drive with Neil back to ATL and remove front disk & old bearings > from junked TR-3. Rush back to RA & install. > > 10. Feature @ 1515. Finish first in class. (It's none of your business how > large the class was!) > > 11. Sunday, 1800, finish turning #196 back into street car. Hook up > trailer and drive home with a total sense of satisfaction. > > > > As anyone who reads this knows, this kind of tom-foolery cannot be > done without the support of a bunch of friends. My friend, Neil Estes, > (Neil's > Restorations) tops the list for this weekend. Ted Schumacher is a > close second and, of course, Kas was the looming support in the background. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > The only other Triumph at the track was Greg Kimbrough's #551 > Spitfire. My little anguish-list above appears inconsequential > compared to the nose damage his car sustained during qualifying. It looked seriously whoomped. > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 10:56:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm21-vm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.109.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F07232D0457 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [77.238.189.50] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 16:58:57 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.242] by tm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 16:58:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 16:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6468 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2012 16:58:56 -0000 x.8dYg3hhgx5qQK2TJq_LAosbhPrcZERSzFD46XiL06IWX2JRPI1xzkEjccZ 1cNJr97RVp.UnmEYCD60lwPIAme4M7eb__xG2VZBf_GS8EGpNav3xII.8FKG NUOLHJoHnnmM2ZwwPAsIiRroQxRCDWjutIn_cuHD8f5D3BvtdfKwOZdK1VL7 YfFZ93OfNsXfQgzSc2ynENlsJVxFAyfd1EbULzVggsE7B1s1CK0svqDYlsuL ckp2H3y4LNrdFs7L5MgMNpgUd0GiZv.j0i0hxzRUZrKF5lfVulaAnOIXokns Py.Jw1wesBXYmdkkeh3Im6ZW37Nlcrb7ojl.oDPEoPM7pIWRENwnyIwICmJU AjFDd59ipAIxUyM3XpESd7peZ12p5y.ADM4CqsSP7tIo953ZrclIt37wA21E SWJcNeZU.GOcXCcE.xo9qE_Z407r.TtVMufjHlV4T0UcgV.azsNQfx1QUQE_ 8L.tKh5opqcmhAoO_7u.d479bnOVT6gr9iz3YwB5JgZhtVDIwf2MgCGcZ5Sd cUl3NiHZRL3i7e1d9 Received: from [212.52.153.53] by web171206.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:56 BST Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:56 +0100 (BST) From: Mrs Alice Adams Subject: FROM MRS ALICE ADAMS To: undisclosed recipients: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AFROM THE DESK OF MRS ALICE ADAMS=0AAUDITING AND ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT.= =0ABANK OF AFRICA (B O A)=0AOUAGADOUGOU - BURKINA FASO.=0AWith Due Respect= =0A=0A=0A=0ADear Friend.=0A=0A CONFIDENTIAL=0A= =0AI will like you to help me, in receiving of this fund into your Bank Acc= ount .However; it's just my urgent need for foreign partner that made me to= contact you for this transaction. 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From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 13:38:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713B62D05BF for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1EC2D0537 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:38:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8HJf2sY010037 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:02 -0400 Received: from core-mse004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mse004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.77]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AD6FBE000093 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com (205.188.255.5) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347910862; bh=Fp45fCB0nJAdrMQkkhLGejpjsy7lopLIUb2ckeIOX5k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LZiqXcL2uI/FuqsjmCRyMEH/27XXXZ/hex+7yvbagaSOha4REJZhwjBI7Ie3mSCTL KcyUEld6OH55wqigyodlWxZSNcS3ew7WUIIB6/G6wXQTaYhnuQB9F4mcSVLKA4hoEL aMSnUq9RT2ABkekwwOSg3WVClAs1RxJ6l7QgWiSQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d50577ccd1f9e Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This comes from Scott Barr, Esq Hi Joe, I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still canbt post directly to the list and Ibve been sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Would you mind posting this for me? In the event of future race car thefts, a first step would be to go to www.scraptheftalert.com and post regarding the theft. This site sends an automatic alert to scrap yards within 100 miles of the site of the theft. Scott From: Vicki A. Kerry [mailto:goldiniron@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:15 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: RE: FW: [Fot] Stolen Race Car You can just go to www.scraptheftalert.com From there you can do whatever you want. You can register to receive notices, search different areas via zip or even state, scan for specific items...pretty much whatever you want. Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I can further investigate. Make it a GREAT day, Vicki A. Kerry Goldin Iron & Metal Recycling Corp. 300 Farmland Drive Kaukauna, WI 54130 (920)766-4201 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 14:22:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592DA2D0537 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7ABF2D04C5 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 20:24:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.85] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 20:24:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 20:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 66371 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2012 20:24:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347913499; bh=bUVN2t4V7ASwZQ8IxZoT97N7id1F2J3qAc+pVXb5auw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UOSJCEAi2kZJdx+F5BfBAXiPlVcghrZYq2htjXllG5NTjzX+QWxGBY4nKkbRMHCgtaasaeBRTsZPxmPn6sKwmh7458oyVqzfGLOpKAXPIbPVU+sPAUSG0BPK0p3mz2TVEutUiwj8zoc6OEKOfS6XVdM24ih/1pYSYaxTo4Up6w8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MBbYptubkmVarFbTqxCObMwjydVZAhJUYUKKeWPrC33KA2QA6pFwwk4OMxqdCQ3UjCletRibrM+fmy8Kq3/Tut88hfJRR33xkOO4fmvzCezxiTPaPDndmphitXKbO8KQDysBxf4wTzWS8C61FGTVXiUFgBkoSBvnwyq0KfroCGM=; eIcYFp91wX44L9BXLJAMfgNNjy1FczhqY3auvykHr69XQ2LFlLiLaNC3MSd2 0C4KGhFbUrHkKepU3wIWOOAICaj8qi6IjqvBqwenbE.p17Y5aJ6Cp63jRypA SIOSA_aLyb1e1KKkwenvM8jLVj81zKEW3RW.6l4ccQNhaoo4zglsT9U8HKvd cCSvbWdkdNjzJyRNtABLnpF5Mw1c0aO.dyNPYxY6V7M1J1nFAULRAB7qMdLo RWLw3mjAp5OnlTU5LzskbGcQS77f5bCf5tsZIjeIFmXJ3BpgHvN6szXqpoXH pDQXBMzSvOkNFlf8D6FxR96h_lKdgP399hcdnFX2cZcHIDQQeOvumhUcorHp pFfQT2dZtQr4J2JHe5WpaJPYqXyognW8l.IofQHZIi8BF2iMGCwipWrwRBm2 Jxz9RKqRheUNXLVFUJjmhChebj0ncgeF36ofoCOJ40LSAMg6.ucpqbbb9CJo x Received: from [67.195.23.210] by web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:24:58 PDT References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Bud Rolofson , Mark J Bradakis Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bud, I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so I can't just measure them in the bin. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Bud Rolofson To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 14:35:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862F92D0617 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C212D2D0527 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 20:37:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 20:37:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2012 20:37:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 26706 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2012 20:37:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347914243; bh=JN0NzvLx59Lbq5woiOjD/PHEFGarjkoUu9oyzt/owPg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=A+DM9ckv4dTTweYV/4rU5bfl9P97dTr1QmBswtwEppRb02cDmkAgGPd7N033c5mBlWq3vioLDGkCQ/miq+aYuw0Ax1OkxldvreguNdQ0vPvna9bRSi3iBB3dpVkzkTsibEy1D6wpAfE3USX91BHXoiHcOJuTlNDIpczD/gJ4p8w= IKW1Te3cD.uJ3vXSKQZjVgnYzjs5G8CtSl6TLIVo75j_h1BIh6GbwQ.6J_O_ 0iksB0Zk6hK0WY3UtwcLMeVRQtGDHxqAa9qeEV4AOvjkTcIwXsQsxgx99R7n 8cqdDBAda3HqX6jJyxheHxchi_6ihxSvADXvZlZWsn.RR0IIQ2QnQpyUcgK8 y5AFMyh_hUqq.xSxcs7TXR4ZjxF_v4ZUny4rbIXVd_bAvWlPVhxL2jdzYb0Z HiNNsaVUa7_xJIwiFSgypS.rrZzLMtdKGvDxfp9HRLJrPa95ylygf22ztKMN .LRLCnzetHdeqFo6stUqU67zMLW49scJno76Xbr2TwgdIdxc3_NoDMzbshbC LJthvFTHFFyiZL.sRS7LRZQ-- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@74.176.160.102 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2012 13:37:23 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'john hasty'" , "'Vince G'" References: <002e01cd94e7$201b2ae0$605180a0$@net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:37:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2U7fttLGC2dEuOSr2f5AaSUbFyTgAAMAHwAAkQLhA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Road Atlanta Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All I missed was the month? This is hard evidence proving that one of the imperatives of a weekend of challenges is to disassociate ourselves from the hard edges of everyday reality. Last night, as I drove home on a balmy October night with the top down, I'm not sure I could have gotten my birth date right. By noon tomorrow, unfortunately, the high will have worn off and I'll get back to worrying about what time it is. Hell, maybe I'll even roll back time and do September again. It's my choice! Richard -----Original Message----- From: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty@gdhs.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:10 PM To: 'Vince G'; 'Richard Taylor' Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Road Atlanta Gee, Richard given the date on your post, are you predicting this is what is gona happen to you or is this what happened this past weekend at the HSR event? John H. Hasty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 15:08:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576A72D027A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:08:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEEA2C0D04 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 15:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [72.92.216.56]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAI0083FIUWZR30@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:11:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "sherry robyn" , "Bud Rolofson" , "Mark J Bradakis" References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:11:19 -0400 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pegasus sells an item called Stat-O-Seal. They work great; an aluminum washer with a built in inner seal. PN 3245-5/16 for the TR6; around $1.60 each. Other sizes go from #6 to 1". They work great. I gave one to a Corvette guy at the Glen last weekend and it fixed his problem. 800 688-6946 or PegasusAutoRacing.com NFI Hope this helps. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda > parts dept. and they say that this is not a good number for > them. Do you have > any other particulars such as a Honda model that uses > them, etc? They also say > they need to order them so I can't just measure > them in the bin. > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've > had great luck stopping leaks out the > cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud > Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi@comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> >> mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 16:37:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C1C2D0626 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7153B2D0622 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:33:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0N5C1k00L1bwxycA1NcEoH; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:36:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.73] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0NcC1k00W4L5TyG8eNcD8g; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:36:14 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: sherry robyn Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:36:12 -0600 References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <1347913498.56821.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi Bud, > > I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I > called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good > number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda > model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so > I can't just measure them in the bin. > > Thanks, Jim > > From: Bud Rolofson > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi@comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit > for the > > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 17:46:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43842D0649 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235522D0627 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E732E053 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:51:47 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFE5AF@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CF6323801EDFE0-85C-7707F@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen Race Car HOW TO POST AN ALERT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > I wanted to get this info through to the list. I still can't post directly to the list and I've been > sitting on this info since July waiting to get put back on the list. Wen you send a message that gets rejected you should get a response back indicating the nature of the problem. What does it say? There seems to be no record of any of your attempts in the admin logs for the list. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 17:58:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60B82D0626 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 49E7F2D0622 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 00:00:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.73] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 00:00:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 00:00:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 84791 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2012 00:00:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347926458; bh=CWTOIH7prEWeX8grJJkTNw/1JwaAQU5Zu7PUnTY4EJs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IEvWXdB18GMatr4ElKxTvmtLYIfXUNLl/mkkhuhoSHePpPKJIyQZQEKcuwwLPHb3AuFcwzT/7s8bDjcim0eyj2q2MmAczuYbDZymGsi6pE8egkRIEC7crgvNM7aeYIvcCx/Rj5HdPRJjpWwl4P9nmJcSzRxdD+hFl38Td3c8QUY= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sGGj+HbHrahSh0lk80a5Hyh70J6SQqgKc50Nsh+RUwfcttnHRfTaFTHb5BTw3I+E8v+QRyK6c7HiCOqXrn20XcOWa64VXoyHNH7cfj6aX/52P3eyDqbf9CRPDOOPYxeAqw1Lkc4eLqykO8vq/whe7Rt+wbtMQZ3rwDZM2XKkFzA=; 6nlvA6mBtZiE9HoRyEmvSuYmcOfOxVcW3DEzlVlZ.WW4R5EjkzGFfxte4Nad 8JR4x_C7dHc70N1FUMD3myeVOqmfQFqO6XoGOA65m7ER919cfMz.1NNxLzBb A5tPZ8mOFBwHTGpGnUB1p8S5DKGrGJMBsS4pCKDuOsmFBGqy2yjlVSbDoElC s831vXMEOMMHDRSfXwfaHWRdUVVgVKlA9QUd4KwrcNEyt5R9ZkNLEhRXVy60 zmFYMkjJSEyTp5OGqpcPG.TJ7xQkf9rewFsrQNReAiHM9ZlXVbIsMgblZRoC xatPzKl75M5EHRd1Vfhm0hY8todmigmz80CmMjU_BpGYTDVF7lEh9zd2kyZb vzDA2KhAJ2pFVrCNdEaZjYL08WXxV.HQfkXAw1Xofxkccq9bvL2pyOOINWY2 5cv81RwaIJO1YRrztlHs- Received: from [67.195.23.211] by web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:00:58 PDT References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 18:30:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92382D062E for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DF62D05F7 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbro12 with SMTP id ro12so11167693pbb.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SI1G3mXByWlpkhhB9v18Vnsz7KddKy3/3l3wf9oif2I=; b=YyTwAfWVR5BqdPBzQGxIglzqqTkZYCzksjdirqot+alhMhAdlkhtZjUMZAHPgQVyEw 4iHwhkhKxUsMjwH8Yv7v+Z34neS1tqWWvdVov8yPjR9RpS/QRtawBPXyY6CnNuT+4t9k nQQtnUgJDc1pvZak1ILfIR9YG+5j8kLKsuPBueEaT84RDkhtdipaqpmm0NBAvdkykn3x XGkUH7yqS/vkWYMpiwM8QkZf6ClNxyWL7V3f4S0j/Kjrt43xOVBk3nJl6OklFC7mhva3 yFnuuC/h9xGFWpuExPdUfMjotv4cFJ6bvHnBccnDPLsxxyDybcwaKQmTaWq9QY76vYPK sAcA== Received: by 10.66.88.1 with SMTP id bc1mr22814262pab.18.1347928426757; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (174-19-155-192.phnx.qwest.net. [174.19.155.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tt6sm7759230pbc.51.2012.09.17.17.33.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:33:43 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/17/12 5:00 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less violent. PO > thought he would glue this thing forever. Thanks, Jim When old gaskets are reluctant to vacate I like to use a rotary brush on a drill. It has always worked like a charm for me. I like to follow it up with a solvent to prepare the surfaces for whatever I goop du jour intend to slather on afterwords. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 19:36:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C0C2D0648 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811562D0630 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:35:50 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=vZmWDHayaI4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=lAaApXNy8ZcA:10 a=1GGrg1TRAAAA:20 a=gbKjkTzGAAAA:20 a=RZea4w34oOCwgpWDvzQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-6Fz9fhe4loA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5F/8B-17657-8A0D7505; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:38:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'sherry robyn'" , References: <844E7D2D9CE948EC8177B629B9F3BB8C@TRIUMPH.local> <1347926458.84452.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:39:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2VMLiA9iVlGcQZTDOQgU2sy3b0vgAC6yUA Subject: Re: [Fot] What is best to remove old gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > Need something I can sort of paint on the oil pan contact > surface on the block > in the car (overhead) to loosen so scraping is a little less > violent. I've been using Loctite "Chisel" gasket remover. Comes in a rattle can instead of brush, and is kind of pricy and slow. Still works better than anything else I've found. http://goo.gl/mCvnl Looks like the active ingredient is mostly methylene chloride, so the old "aircraft" paint stripper might work as well, if you can still find the MC-based stuff. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 17:55:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483E22D068C for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99C7F2D03E3 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.92] by nm19.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 23:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 31934 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2012 23:57:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348012676; bh=KMGO/FO1KDUdwJTl9hSIu7CZktQfgtOWh4vU40OghBc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gXfsDOFQVHNU+Po4F/h5DVD3F4Zztfmc0GJ8YcFqvJXOnvEsG5q6zpZ5+0/nilhyxME+2+tS5qoNKWL5y4AOxivqV8LJ9fvVSlajenQkVPssHN9eohyb/RAeh/zpU+qLnSJjcbkrstH30igEAkyfK4RjNQSu8weDtrVh6s2FeBM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dMuRX3qkNfVSInSU1sKfThKevl8bYBWupm/dcT5w3WSBPYKYat5dL2KpJfKHcdpdr3qGcUUqlS4xRgjtiope47jQXsGB7PyfK2+iuIFOyA0Fq5c8Khd6XJTvES6XzjYMm/Fzrmj365jZAyynxfP0bb6npiclxaRPH1smjeUqRbY=; hPfQgp_Zf4tqoZctYZu.9trD_FjvDwjqZLKkUOJdUvac5gV1fty4ZzL.GEHc 5Ieh.7Wb0e3dmD_oXhF6qFUdRsdVOzP46Odopge.lgG3k66YFzCaoy535Olc IlT_bQLuDHtl0KfR_roIQxt__8iyx_F8JpBeOBlVjstumzniXX3j6rKWdeXM 6P68R9GLsfBe6skGddsWA0qKqLxoN60iceL.onePY8MBsXFohqXJ4MTZQGig uOOoSWxOzutPybe8Y7D0zGwTPi7u._bntVmVziW92.FbLImj6.fD1mmTtLWA BPcgnJPlvwsGHhMDco8kgOFjuL3j.qE0vZ32T7SoxZHZf_SseGgYCeDlrBol w_Eoa9jHPdt7txhwpun7xt.rzDnJ0K36XNFdLYb1JstECIpLfMaH2OR4uRX8 W29.iKi1uyF2zguY4lEHCJN2IwVXMRCW58CMRsyGjzwf2NtN976t6vwoLgIe GyC1EHmFTqHD8L3UrSB6d9GmLxV2_FNQ1ZjSF Received: from [98.137.27.128] by web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:57:56 PDT References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, ,,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>,, , ,<001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , ,<003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , ,<004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , ,<005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84 ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com><1347913498.56821.Y ahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <040B1BE9-FD48-4283-A363-3636CC2BD8F5@comcast.net> <1BE1F2B6A7BF441F8AE8F0D0D28C0AFC@TER2> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Greg Solow , Bud Rolofson Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, what does the Mazda part look like? Is the rubber portion shaped like the Honda part? Jim ________________________________ From: Greg Solow To: Bud Rolofson ; sherry robyn Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 3:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover The best valve cover bolt seals we have found for any of the TR engines that have 5/16" studs comming up through the valve cover is a Maxda part # 0324-10-237. They are a steel washer with a rubber seal bonded to the bottom of it. The steel is ridged enough to distribute the load and help prevent distorting the valve cover. they seal perfectly and are inexpensive. They can be used over and over again may times. We sell them for $2.87 each. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "sherry robyn" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > They are a Honda motorcycle part number. I'm guessing you tried Honda > auto parts. I didn't really say that did I? My bad. Mark made > reference to a Gold Wing so I was in the motorcycle mode already. > > > Bud > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi@comcast.net > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi Bud, >> >> I finally got around to rounding up some of these for my TR6s. I >> called a Honda parts dept. and they say that this is not a good >> number for them. Do you have any other particulars such as a Honda >> model that uses them, etc? They also say they need to order them so >> I can't just measure them in the bin. >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> From: Bud Rolofson >> To: Mark J Bradakis >> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >> Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 12:06:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover >> >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> >> > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit >> for the >> > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down >> > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This >> is one >> > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is >> better. >> > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. >> > >> > mjb. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot@autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 08:01:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F8B2C0D32 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E288C2C0D1D for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 14:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.104] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 14:04:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 14:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 84115 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2012 14:04:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348063484; bh=mglNgcgA03kY234qufpuTkyqTUvFVlpAsF6ReoHLeag=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=l2IRiQCp2kioTE6bz9AaIbo01lV6bQ7sirg6z6a0+a/hxLkS+9NBugiHKusieI8hIRghELMY5hHTXvKF0Floc5EBj+4/lp/fTHQIyuGnxCdmp7ma1tXaodrLxdIAzKRXIrDmtSpeWMqB14JfmHjArIYwJzRaZoHSsb7vx80w6u0= B1OZYsAqBAJGgRC8p88kW1iW6voI7leAkBPjjMIVKIV3mUj1mD._Dv8TCH9z SQcgWmAH7LfO2_2GFT3nJaG1qW8K4vw1KQfXnXxtpDpzt33oA.FCDNe.Hyqi Ag9yyQj_HnNBTT6gW2h161.Cyqeix6iCe4YKPDtvlDSbdFmWZFe5HHFvup3U jbJkfGSFuEBE9YdKUjG2UK2eqoixi0.BjehL.zL6MVOgBCY71uGNyNUgjpsr G.yhH5nkqMKljLIn9iKYyD9zRDnwvV5ZB5LKOEK9Wr2MagTEmceJRcrnpH41 G58t3C8KyJDFNlfPNjhwJ7JB7bV2w.rmDKaQhtCZm8WK5Cg8Cv88NRaYUwUc 2ZtHDcv5f8lDRrIqAfJL7AT4ejrRcyNwcEWAGnkrXgC.OHRMEtWzFkwAMdLE 6exHyBkSlwkyfvmBL57GSSJeJ3e45.mbdIpDoyMMHHbVs78IyUBuZkkKTnzZ 4iRYKqE00eM78GBW_q.LXUvWY0zJs9DxF3T2WUKjCkqIzwpsX6sOVCQDMjHB nXLaY6j9I7wBTuvUn8S0pDUQJ.WsBpHvss.m4iJnbyAG3m_0IiQ_OUy8Gq8o MK7i3YykE3ALmIOff8sCVEsp9_SD.sL2B4DqDMq0_PeNW8TozahSDDSUoHDI K2h5JYm4- Received: from richardiipc (tarch@74.176.160.102 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2012 07:04:44 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:04:49 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2Wb7tudnXpZ6BPSV2mWaTxnRhxJw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 08:20:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF32D0501 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7EF2D04F0 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8JENSmo014108; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:28 -0400 Received: from core-msa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.73]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2D259E000096; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:28 -0400 (EDT) References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> To: tarch@bellsouth.net, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:23:28 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348064608; bh=V8xzE3zIOs0HXEy9EZv5yJU5wvC4zPe2tOGx+u3jZsU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YspVpx8kfAVlLifW9C6CMKToqYiyX+jhh8YUCmW0eRGBibvM1UNHbAGAPclPsDioB NvcUVZziN954QnZz28eEdHswZ/fXyuvF9FG5vBlXpTTNL2tXRaCBzUr2FG8fAB3sUW hXZyDQV4BnuwMlVm+Y0+391+9G6KAum7M8Jk32cU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb5059d5606714 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 08:25:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB532D0508 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA46A2D0508 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (wm7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.13]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MAL006TEPI8H7M0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.83.138.75] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:27:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Redmond To: tarch@bellsouth.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Classic! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. > Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for > gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as > buying > gold! > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 08:36:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229D02D05BF for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C45662D02A9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [217.146.183.215] by nm17.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 14:39:12 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.205] by tm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 14:39:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 14:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 40038 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2012 14:39:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; b=RNC24ywEbPQyhKF/4Mr17mTIfzKNR9UV3ICU/iMp1KAlox/kBOL327HoWrL+uThps+gi3dsNuXVpb4CiEA/fEqxPmf9Zid1eWuRjxtMCRdmj2Qh+JZL2gW0jVt6vnlK++ZXW4wQg+bGrfXzNnJX9itJilMhqNsq9P5p5G4Baz3I= ; s=s1024; t=1348065551; bh=53+xSsGJNr5Kxi3oylxyWLJnHZb29mOxztvUxU3amYA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=qjlEEic1aj+GKcS92yA8ft4BAvDaredrrmusTmPVrUkJLFtiL/BftypmtOkiMp3gcE0iKsuAryOQ2Ud/wVafGZPEiwhsHT3ZcuEg4PL4nNiQ2WSP1AbdvGrF4czpjAEDNRP4vJ69M8R4vYX9BwFDUwT9At6SMeuJ7REWcDlsIUo= 0S6pKgevb1NvciTdUDtcc0Qphr02I07zmSxZo3YGRGtjiUpSfjLnhnQEYPni XUZO_U3C4iY1nyn0aJ_.oJ9RQyUD3Vp_4AadlRlH0lGc.PihVxaI5UbKu3JV ClDDHfy_PBIiPfEXe8CuY.ybiavuK6mdcaR5F12WBM84iitlP6Qz.29JHxd. 4LyLgCIXjvXrjrHpN.DWUPHhDKDOkwv3pfDAT0q0gtdtJG2_VadlH6V5xB0E anFRQVWw_M2YbBMz.6f58T6BDjjttW6UJ7ez66ZaiZLHjUfTOsMwH_LusaAD VEcsIQ9BVmK0ir4ADaxuUyFuo2Sf.4vzpTWYE1nrjwXyYC7vB3h2pcbLbJJh niCcEWg5QGFj0T3q.QBGRAhLn9_nqUQndT2GcqELdpPMfEUdnr8nf0iE5_pI WN.YVO7eb245S9p0_hE5ymrQ7DR.xHH83Lm5VIJ81lJdg0S7UnzomQDDBNnD epbpyeGbAw_Yz4WKj_OCHHd3ifKmwx81jHflsFDBnwLP4cDGUC5y6npTW0gK i9qlsX9NFOh3pTtP8fncLGNtsQ9gLAVsYvj.5EDALe9Flwhz5cagUOIP2yV. 2Jv6uQp2Rd2bYbTLN7xI1.Cd3ENAZuVZSSiwiZPSJEF1eOkh..ys.btP81Yx mYAr2QKcipFWGM3hKGDFGB26TqfI9EcqxUywdh9Qg2xrkuDU.n6SQjiNdWOx 9nq6LGa11yd71Iw-- Received: from [178.104.66.9] (keithfiles@178.104.66.9 with plain) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2012 07:39:11 -0700 PDT References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> From: Keith Files Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:39:10 +0100 To: Joe Alexander Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Historic racing AND modern racing i.e. supporting Josh, great fun but rubbish for the bank account. Somebody once asked how you became a millionaire through racing, answer; start of a multi millionaire.... Sent from my iPad On 19 Sep 2012, at 15:23, Joe Alexander wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@btinternet.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:26:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278602D0682 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A742D035B for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS164 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:28:33 -0700 References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> From: Vince G Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:28:34 -0400 To: Joe Alexander FILETIME=[6E4DD1F0:01CD967B] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Now this I would have to agree with! LOL Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 10:24 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > VINTAGE RACING IS THE BEST BAD INVESTMENT I EVER MADE > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Taylor > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am > Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > > > > Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of > Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is > $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying > gold! > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 09:42:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953EB2C0D07 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B832C0CFE for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:41:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by bkcjc3 with SMTP id jc3so668200bkc.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=vwkmSUzR+rEuHg9t9OQhg1gjlisHf8C/GdAUtGjoxho=; b=HXktlOmhlH+0PxuaDJndh9E0GZsj08oDLP7WsSd0rpvxBdlKeeyI+HyoZFdiwV2Bdl qZbUuyOzjWPHizECMMNBgXrwY0172KXSKn29vOLrEYHegwubB104wha+/ANd3AtZvbCD O1D+td01utxD20bDCSks2FpGGnh8kKWbGLXy9+xsubjFcRoDDJ5Y3uEUWkoPnHdJv7EM p6ieqy3i/s8YN/ghh6LB+0ipVFtGr2Sp4f5IXoUle3PzSa62BTRcNk0jknwJsxFEE416 LByEu5E1HmWLI2VICRy43iuGK+Y/NZpWGjb8PaVgs+NPXDEdxkhK/mflKi+6tCSaqdPX JCcA== Received: by 10.204.130.87 with SMTP id r23mr1459731bks.123.1348069498516; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.202.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g12sm2333832bkt.7.2012.09.19.08.44.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:44:50 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2We5DpV3d3cIjdTzSZaMRTSbugwwAAfTPg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 10:21:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F52C0D13 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE592C0CE3 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS7 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:24:44 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: , "Richard Taylor" References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:45 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:45 -0400 FILETIME=[474B6CE0:01CD9683] Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will defer to Roger Penske who reportedly said that to make a million dollars in racing you have to start with two million. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of Medallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is $1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying gold! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:05:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BAE2D04F7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7382D04EB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8JJ8Yn5021445; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:39 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'MadMarx'" , References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net><8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2We5DpV3d3cIjdTzSZaMRTSbugwwAAfTPgAAcUXYA= reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:06:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64C72D03F7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E692D0359 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eaaf11 with SMTP id f11so507869eaa.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=h+EZgm9iNP0Bnya5tSSsoJX/R/O/vVIKDf7gfraw6ug=; b=V0cv+Qpius5JtsFJ8kr4pJXKhtIiIq9N7/Xd7BL0U9lDdY6xXsY++m6XlhxYZM8U9h x/AuabD7Trr2Wxmb3iOIJyqt8Zn75fPq0PLUHvCPPaa2SiVUSQAKQIUss0WPwAenpcU2 CfPkcWBmRZAwj63NWEGWNZj6tMKmqDJA1w1piJ0hYJ9TRGITADMs6BWN70VpFdUL+HfP 1kQQTnXiYngN+nRTavPtCaCZQIBNHJy0NUp9Xk8BvglICzruE8QSRQ04CuvZcedo0lGH FoJ0vKkogQ42rhwX3xCqY48EfWsH4E3gE03BAffNIN1OZ6AW0C7bGbBLAnnRrZi3qgy6 ANfw== Received: by 10.14.178.72 with SMTP id e48mr4838193eem.1.1348081782578; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m42sm7073613eep.16.2012.09.19.12.09.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "john hasty" ,fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:12:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8632D06AB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s49.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s49.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5452D04EA for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT402-EAS457 ([65.55.90.8]) by snt0-omc1-s49.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:15:28 -0700 References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> From: Vince G Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:15:28 -0400 To: john hasty FILETIME=[217A68A0:01CD969B] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Send me a post card... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-19, at 3:08 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:21:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E5F2D04EB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095B62D04C9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafk30 with SMTP id k30so4464891qaf.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=4EqLWbwrJNmas7Q/eUNlxN6GgD3KBgvL1GXTeWuhPGk=; b=GiOzTw0BMraZTXASXagLDRMuq4Xa/tdb8EeQ57Xncgrzvlq8GBOllxrBQkXrlQZbAX Qwb3r9OeWuRN6HMX8SGeD2bruJBGp2INOVfls/YRuLom7zka62VNp9AsUs9xqSSeSlCx 1AZQQHmAsR8Zwlpk3XrvZHNfTj2lXEdEf6QmSv0kxgParh/pFN/X460DYQaI7I0f4UDV liLxMw387QBjO/1gnj5wXgbLPm0R8MKakftQDbaO9tstfNu7Bx+9wTebsbaYb8byfhIy Giqy2LogUS13aE/WiaSo2d8asQhQ2JsEGgoddu6VoE9NAJ/SlhmYXJQA3zF02uorb4i1 qvxw== Received: by 10.229.137.132 with SMTP id w4mr2609334qct.155.1348082650514; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:24:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:24:10 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: john hasty Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:32:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43F22D04F7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:32:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9C92D04F0 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:29:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5645938000143; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dfd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dfd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.55.75]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EFB93E000099; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> To: tarch@bellsouth.net, fot@autox.team.net From: John Houlton Received: from 208.38.70.241 by webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com (64.12.158.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348083157; bh=1vbcwB+uIvOyHF+UPcQJMt48gR+yG/LdA52+4W5RheU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pVflx+mmGoj74mgDegSU9XjkidjMShT7VBdLA2BYgNmUmnTG+PFFhOJEuaI+DVMHm /dFZmPOHKzyM8w+gP2gOWGk+MiiZdr/DKoBwyYomRdSdM9O53sCHKtt1CnXBy/gsjh w3RsqLNI6v4/A1zfCsCCYe0dV+JL4oXaXEQdV/+U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a505a1dd45d91 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:33:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DC62D04E1 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C2802D04E1 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm29.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 19:35:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.73] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 19:35:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 19:35:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25805 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2012 19:35:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348083319; bh=ZHq5fm5wkjtJRyp+C6Bajo0sm1NWAo5Lde84W0rdv6U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A142pECdbrOmN3ItsTAljDpDh+R2fQLcu+teBERBkgGWuUbEjWG8+wDQumjEF3zU6yjwPYUI5lUasMBTA67cci26y0lqvjAqA2Di8mT3LUmeiojmtNYb7Swl9jyDR3O9EOez7YdooaAjPA962lRnTvc6/xnilnta/fk7wSKKo98= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uqasHPsdkMvLkaVviOSC6FsPoySbymXxqtsrOE0pWkY/Vxvdb5q8HbDG+OR4qmb5EVnoRkn48y1/lg2u7KM6sdnmFtG/Dc2CRlv+PEncENW7HNDktCrPvfSfldJ4jouYWzP0Eyucg8HpjLasp8aZsjqCRjtBuZYtxudIapenXgQ=; lPkS868d_vkXyySaLYsS7MN6jv81FwvgtsaQ1hPTyMVv_ayarwIQh584lUJb BwokU4W9BzAx_zkcgO8fvQ_x_AdOCnR3Fs1CcBRQXLIws9nUuu.Ifa6A3MhH 4qsFzGTEOllTa.2_y7D1j6fyVEp3fGW.nZDfC0PjrSmgSHydBtlk5xFJwGbD GJgiysgJZqWo2DndsLf11rZuQq.pudENMXIFoVUiOkOd7ji9c8Nh8EI0ZpiE uVV_fvE8UN3b4zcxu0HBHwtT6jGh_pmdar_SqE1S1lmHpWRvnBm8wkvpZZuc tp4RfRWpS4921sNeG.bMxIPf0Be.wLESa4LFXDhpEUvP1Scny0njrd3cgkvJ D6.jEwiGDGCsOu3OZoilhSZZh_z7LxqRcRAf93c3Zebg3VGgJ3Or4tuulxPJ v5Pjt5cYVEgrBiveOwiCGWW33YORDcFA73a5tYk_LElJFY2VQELVp6NYrpPp OrOqWnDZHvBcYGrIgiYRRkrnApDm99uxHiID3k0eMZh3Gxn.LqdWBfVT2ErH ZG6rjNAagwjHbdtq.BFkzV7v3dlsKLVxUXhfv.g2Nv1KmGAAHOFAP_o64ax. 5xhUj0rm6trppFw-- Received: from [69.48.117.18] by web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:35:19 PDT References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schneider To: Jason Ostrowski , john hasty Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations >> regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated >> otherwise, >> any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) >> is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, >> marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter >> addressed herein. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of MadMarx >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy >> >> I agree too. >> And have to add: >> Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with >> racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:44:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91872D067F for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail47.messagelabs.com (mail47.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774912D0426 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16921 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2012 19:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chis0084.am.amersports.int) (198.184.220.8) by server-6.tower-47.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 19 Sep 2012 19:46:59 -0000 Received: from chis0084.am.amersports.int ([10.3.251.84]) by chis0084.am.amersports.int ([10.3.251.84]) with mapi; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:46:59 -0500 From: "Reed, John" To: Gary Schneider , jason ostrowski , john hasty Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:46:57 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Thread-Index: Ac2WngtXWPZFSk7sS9eRcT3rY8uRqgAAXuCa Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was not one of those guys....right. I'm not dead yet! On 9/19/12 2:35 PM, "Gary Schneider" wrote: I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the creative Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. >From the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls strolled around the paddock. Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Jason Ostrowski >To: john hasty >Cc: fot@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >John, >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? >Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. >And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 >though... >Rather... were they were over 18? > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > >Jason Ostrowski >Friendly Ghost Racing > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here >> the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. >> >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) >> is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the >> message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:51:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4D72D04EB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5397D2D04EA for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeil10 with SMTP id l10so27835eei.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:54:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qXkkAFe40jLPMXCdQr+8ME7HcuCDYf0vRXK0Lcxq1nM=; b=xbpUFE5zCDsjfXuHW8Y4DBKhxerAlzNx1HX+EjmLF8SODYXIDj8kWectBNA80qxsnG Yq5PcUATiy5QAz5o4+0HZhCDA63OmscBAmdDuzHtjhXL2/qBRbTnuTldZLnfWS/lJJ7y gtS+JlCq4qDKIwnyIU24Ph5Zi8fODZUojbJ93a8p5Kde9DLInjSUMNdBV3nFkST6Wfql iS9rIjZV+pNsU7n9UsQNJVdHg8zFKs+a4qxuJaLfd+ZhCRUO26so1C6xQHcls8cDkOIx i0EFC494PyUaMaFPJGBRXEmpjM+WLe2O7U1SgJF0SNmSX33qXrLXsnaHp9liMl5yX0cg u14g== Received: by 10.14.4.198 with SMTP id 46mr4971050eej.11.1348084455663; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.47.208 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:54:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> <1348083319.98724.YahooMailNeo@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:54:15 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Gary Schneider Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I can see right now I am racing at the wrong tracks, example..Roebling Roads Raceway...no spectators allowed...Gold Cup at VIR ...alot of old race cars that attract alot of old people that remember the old cars....where are all the girls !! That's the "pits"....ha ..ha a good thing that everyone is having fun ! On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Gary Schneider wrote: > I was pretty impressed with the umbrella girls at ELVF! I'm told the > creative > Mr. Bonk hires them to parade around and make people run into each other. > From > the bridge you could watch the trail of salivating guys as the girls > strolled > around the paddock. > Gary Schneider > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Jason Ostrowski > >To: john hasty > > >Cc: fot@autox.team.net > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, > 2012 2:24 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > > >John, > >Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? > >Sure maybe they > weren't showering you with kisses. > >And..the question there was not weather or > not they were younger than 65 > >though... > >Rather... were they were over 18? > > > >Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event > > > >Jason Ostrowski > >Friendly Ghost Racing > > > >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, > john hasty wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, I think we need to go to > Germany. At the races I've been to here > >> the women are all over 65, fully > clothed and no kisses. > >> > >> > >> John H. Hasty > >> Attorney At Law > >> Guthrie, > Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > >> 719 East Boulevard > >> Charlotte, North > Carolina 28203-5113 > >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 > >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 > >> E-mail: > jhhasty@gdhs.com > >> www.gdhs.com > >> > >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message (and any attachments) > >> is > >> intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that > >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, > and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > >> If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >> dissemination of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > >> received this > communication in error, please erase all copies of the > >> message > >> and its > attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > >> > >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 > NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > >> regarding tax > advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > >> otherwise, > >> any tax > advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > >> is not > intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > >> (i) > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > >> > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > >> > addressed herein. > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > >> Behalf Of > MadMarx > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > >> To: > fot@autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > >> > >> I agree too. > >> And have to add: > >> Nowhere else you get in contact to so > many nice and helpful people as with > >> racing - not to forget the light > dressed young girls who give kisses. > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> > Unsubscribe: > >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 13:59:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797C52D04EA for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407192D0426 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by eeil10 with SMTP id l10so30979eei.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:02:12 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=bkT1FfxeRmmuyG/PYqajUB9OKGNTeYt7BJIsGrlcOaA=; b=Es1eTSpfy6lP0TMn9WajvSRDtxqiYvR0YjHbXQByr61sqeHTjIK4AbVkweayzgTQBr wFsSRQv4pB2q9SlzE9FJg26Gg9vUlr1e9aRXBFYsirMCEx/+yGRagBZaA1DjqfRfPFV9 s4BM9Bt51fR828xVpYYCFCYPfbVAS6k90xhk1vHCUwvFzKJDCnY6i4RaXVHKdgfHufD7 0MdgqsuDr21WuS/++nZmk2PatUO61IejBPHhZLfpXA1CEQ3YYsv2Ym/qcGTtFEb40gq7 Gaqm+LbW+ZBXggkdT65qByd1FgogGoXKrXvm/W8s8TPQTRelamvmA0uoGcAcAp2IZmZA ofVw== Received: by 10.14.178.72 with SMTP id e48mr4983843eem.1.1348084932807; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.195.171 (bda-178-239-83-203.bis7.eu.blackberry.com. [178.239.83.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e42sm9826913eem.8.2012.09.19.13.02.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:02:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> Sensitivity: Normal To: tr4racing@googlemail.com,"john hasty" ,fot@autox.team.net From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:02:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 14:23:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674F12D06BB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:23:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E41BF2D04E2 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:23:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 20:26:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2012 20:26:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348086386; bh=PY8Nh1ey5YdIKEHmK842ZAN8fPvME68fsMd5vXO67dM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WEts3440iO/H8gPnrVRjlDxA/gqQfnNwv/RnzazMXAw4ZOFb3DEBXNHr4sDtRz4j77Wged8OBeQRpd3+fqBgAklgpp+wxuyA2fiyFAmQnSN4uvPjRfVSUuRqSCuiPDmo6moPK4QbHf/kj6TY4cydyRYTGiwNPCwxMsO5A/bgSMQ= FAOwpXoJzaNQ94sqD88sIu9zOlrDh7vbWQxVpE4_HcIwBweSy.iL3r7qQUzG ryofhRF6NDmmEwssxH7wDjlDux5aU4FiZ8OVyV8fmMkAVlKHs6_7Ldzim6oj NmQH6W7I9YZl9YmJRYdCisfBldrXgr0sXJ8nTJr.1BoguRzfvaCGeIuWDmK4 XRJxhv8WdWsf.ZLfZ7CPUaBgwrWteZEDvRndE9hrkF51qUC9WlkvAo9HRgT7 gb.qcgYdfUxDAgqaDv9NnAYPGk2UekJe_pWOKlEXzTxWScNhHPRVZLK2UCsp KiNUeCr_7s061FJEa4YCGDai7vodNxzjD2wW0bT8qvorEbXn9jCU99NTm4BU Z3_TmFIhjyMkiDOrwe59UPSXzXCTs61j17qsCTeA7WaftJiF3TxcPKEwXoK2 z63xLvATz9unik5nTe8YUnYbtSqktw95wJrDIJ132DpYSdPm.rSjPh9SM5Rs FacZ9d1XcY3fkxhx5Ae0iYp.4izne_nsrMjKSTeUtXjEksqxnXbY2Hb3jVe7 UMsqpusUExqQY95JTfpxatAlhl.KTepN6mH5nsUsZi3tQgRhb1UauIJ_6KxK Fsh1GYpuSeb6Vd3l2RuszOqv.ZejQoL39uyjWNPTndRJ6S4BgZec7NBomvOn 4tR813OyMkenVB4i7_5z9CGMDyMTvKQm8K7f1A8ZDV5K2XYfNrGztsjZ00tA pvN1OzM50s8YEiGL6NKKIq3tp5n.9nc1fBoYRMrwE3c2lQglHw6OFihP9 Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dmitchel@68.248.72.219 with plain) by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2012 13:26:25 -0700 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:26:28 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: John Houlton Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 sessions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road America, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from the calculations. :-) Cheers, -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: > >Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. >(There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green >conditions". > >Entry fee: $515.00 >Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 >Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 >Misc.: about $200.00 > >Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend > >So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America >is $2000/lap. > >If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day >for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup >race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a >"normal" weekend. > >Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, >given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small >investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment >anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have >run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a >return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends >to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, >and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. > >I think I should work in Government accounting. > >John > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Taylor >To: fot >Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am >Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > >Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. > >Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of >edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is >1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying >old! > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >96 >tlanta, Georgia, 30307 >tel: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >fax: (404) 223-1312 >mobile: >blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >4)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > >ww.taylor-architecture.com >______________________________________________ >ot@autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >orums: http://www.team.net/forums >nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome@aol.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 15:08:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9B32D04C7 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445672D03D9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhm2 with SMTP id hm2so7340992wib.2 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=9eSSSAdjBiyVg8UcCLt5jZxP1UgBkpvoReWIhDVCQzE=; b=zhwIyiT2ZdTXroot7rmlzK+obgiUKqBkJhBAA7h8gMlFI6YyB1xwIz0gH4XpmxgNTH cuE9VYkwGA6WxWacI9f5/gV3FK0vus1+11jE9CG8Y2iRd2pCBTT4mtA1kMXaS19mQ1Qc WtZV5XOp875OYXFrmC1JMaUh1GL7iM/riyZsvV4HiZg/02zKKEFw0jwyMs0RyWP9vS8v 9ieRoBt+SdhlhF5rioid7+N9UhxH5tvXTilfa9PwlwaiUQKjQ/BSISaJII2xUmuMlWdV XbTxdp6bE/vYIcVmMnyOilIeBv0B4Xy9IE2vKfWj/G9+wvXGPToCMpophhL+U8TUdqdF YiNg== Received: by 10.180.24.197 with SMTP id w5mr1056021wif.22.1348089094096; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-46-207-60.web.vodafone.de. [109.46.207.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id do5sm6935967wib.10.2012.09.19.14.11.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:11:29 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2WoaejuhrARVXHSpmtY54W7XBiHwACZx5A Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Damned! Found no photos! But a video of mine: https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/5350206798884334 209/5490849592001845394?banner=pwa -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: tr4racing@googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 22:02 An: tr4racing@googlemail.com; john hasty; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 15:25:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F82D2D04E2 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4412D04DB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8JLSFv8026113; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:15 -0400 Received: from core-dfc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dfc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.55.11]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 113FFE00009A; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> To: dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Received: from 208.38.70.241 by webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com (205.188.58.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:14 -0400 From: John Houlton Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348090095; bh=C/ufYPwcH87ZQ00MELziDzLSxVeqVA7OZsYFPT6RKa8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ldu62/cxMMuBJyHFpHyxK4U9Ty5wJMQUnldti/QUmkhPAhEpgfay/6vUvwNrJvFLl 8Wwl2aQCAnLoOgGIvhOwWXONA+3czNAMrr1hkk5K64Q3UxRb874BWD4et6O2+Y9om1 izvrBOMzYHXqR1lB/8m+EfE/LMOANiJ0KP2G4HzY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b505a38ef1e2a Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oops, your right Doug. I meant 4 sessions, two morning, two afternoon. But close enough for government work. What the heck, it's the THEORY that is sound, not those pesky numbers. They always get in the way. Like facts. John -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: John Houlton Cc: tarch ; Fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Government accounting is right if you get 84 laps. 7 laps per session, 2 essions per day for 3 days only works out to 42 laps by my math. But, at Road merica, that is 168 miles so on the per mile basis... Ouch, my head hurts from he calculations. :-) Cheers, -- oug Mitchell mitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Houlton wrote: >Here's my way of looking at the financial wisdom of it all: Last week at ELVF at Road America I completed exactly 1 lap. In the rain. (There were also 2 out laps, but I am only counting laps under "green conditions". Entry fee: $515.00 Towing 720 miles round trip:$368.10 Hotel, food, etc. for 3 nights: about $900.00 Misc.: about $200.00 Let's call it a $2000.00 weekend So the way I do the math, the true value of racing a Triumph at Road America is $2000/lap. If you figure the average session gets you 7 laps, and you do 2 sessions/day for 3 days, that's 84 laps. You can also run the enduro, or the extra Cup race, or maybe even another promotional race, so let's call it 100 laps in a "normal" weekend. Since we have established that the "value" is $2000/lap, this means that, given maximum racing time, one would recieve a value of $200,000 on a small investment of $2000, which makes racing a Triumph the best investment anywhere, ever. This makes people like Tony D. and Bill D. (who seem to have run well all weekend) very shrewd investors indeed. Where else can you get a return like that in such a short time! That's why I encourage all my friends to go vintage racing. With a return like that it's better than self funding, and we can all look forward to very comfortable retirements. I think I should work in Government accounting. John -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor To: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05 am Subject: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Here is one way to calculate Internal RoR. Total direct cost of Atlanta Historic's Race last week = + $2150. Weight of edallion (& blue ribbon) = 2.9 ounces = $741/oz. Current price for gold is 1773/oz. Therefore racing is more than twice the better deal as buying old! Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE blocked::blocked::http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S .+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite 96 tlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+223-1313&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: blocked::blocked::http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 4)+660-4920&Email=tarch@bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 ww.taylor-architecture.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 17:07:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C757C2D04F0 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CF32D04C9 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8JN85ce004141; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:05 -0400 Received: from core-msd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.5]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 54F62E00008C; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <007401cd966f$bc10db50$343291f0$@net> <8CF648978253CC6-734-9477@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd967d$b77503b0$265f0b10$@com> <1113E43A3A3E498E94874A974B9C8DA1@gdhs.local> To: jason@multivintage.com, jhhasty@gdhs.com Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:04 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:08:04 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348096085; bh=s0svg1d8cnBY7SoLmAzpvSR5hIztbbRABITzI5GQdHg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GYAgYJdDkBgpAxnS1QJk7qQg2Ne+4RxHtg4W+Z+/0vr433SklAr458R+9RXU5szzu Mv+UkCMmRY3ugqs9YHB/pdwamUQOe3t4xkJ65Burf4qShbboe5hjBzS0HHpYanbedO DpZKh5I35jpkIsnstd08OQqq+01GYJMNe0QOPalA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb505a50553ff7 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good job Jason! Grid Girls are being discussed as well as some interesting videography. ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP will be memorable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: john hasty Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy John, Don't you remember those grid girls at the Kastner Cup? Sure maybe they weren't showering you with kisses. And..the question there was not weather or not they were younger than 65 though... Rather... were they were over 18? Rumor has it... there will be grid girls at the next Kastner Cup event Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM, john hasty wrote: > Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here > the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy > > I agree too. > And have to add: > Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with > racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 17:38:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931E2D06D0 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121CC2D0679 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qady1 with SMTP id y1so1705707qad.14 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:41:24 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ttG23TYAZN2zrRzeMex8+bqyzKdKDMvZ3iC2GuQUOhs=; b=AN2/igjyMh0K8WGgwHLs8pYLQ224EMdmENuy1d3LRKSDlOCmi44LyNWBStaRj57oho 7Q48jUhRukSlO2znRMs7MgSpxXazSvpVmYcPNJlUT8MY/Ch4Eu/o37GVk93GLZqcSZag 7tDNfHGh5lRZCgFsyzlD6odpXDnNO9WzNzMtaR4zHudNBb1H8KNQcaref/acRhlCsQuM arYn7K50akJ184pseMNFzZwmF8DtfC0IfdbPcLG5ZzYTZYiHkZBKV3S0f1QdyKzEtHes V+e4QoiewRcaIeHkMKNtUUsZMgGFCWbhwyv/Wjv6VXyI3XUGPnjvNMEGTaQYilF8RhuK 68XA== Received: by 10.224.193.69 with SMTP id dt5mr495731qab.2.1348098084874; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.11.196 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:41:24 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 18:18:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B152D067F for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B3B2D066C for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1505F38000071; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msd002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.5]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D030EE000081; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:27 -0400 (EDT) References: To: jason@multivintage.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:21:27 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348100488; bh=u0GVpUebiRm3cVWacVYjLgzpJC79FwwCMqC44Ui0wz8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cnbn6evGgjxaIFqPMmKiunQXdO+1BQbEIRpKkz3zVWqSy5KDxhs/ipsw1QDrm0wPp fKZyVwrwL56hD/bB+UKhPZLekeSYx+Qaa9xA2VuEXIb6Uvei1vDL+kTDAISQPZTISO zXyYjEAmLW2yxX13K8ADyReda/AygVaTjWUpRQ8c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb505a61875502 Subject: Re: [Fot] runnoffs time again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good information....we will be there. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42 pm Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 18:30:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9572D06AB for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC842D0679 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD502E054 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:36:15 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: triumph friends References: Subject: Re: [Fot] runnoffs time again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some day... I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, another goal to achieve. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 19:11:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FBA2D06E0 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D8B2D0635 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93D82E024 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:16:38 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Fot References: <64vsgdaxf5jpwjr5oynlorum.1348086388247@email.android.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Every now and again an "investment guide" shows up on the net. Basically it invests $1000 each in various stocks and buys $1000 worth of cheap beer in aluminum cans. After one year each of the stocks is worth less than the amount you'd get by recycling those beer cans. Finance can be fun! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 07:47:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D12D071F for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4542D039F for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q8KDlphY017513; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:47:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Mark J Bradakis References: <505A64FF.6060904@bradakis.com> Cc: triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] runnoffs time again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Attending the Runoffs has been on my To Do list for 30 - 40 years. Some > day... > > I should probably start saving my pennies for next year's Kastner Cup, > another > goal to achieve. Mark - I'm pretty sure the SCCA Runoffs will be the week following the ELVF event / Kastner Kup. All you have to do is figure out how to hang around for a couple of days. Heck, if you have SCCA F&C credentials, you can probably flag TUE or WED and get in for free (including free camping for SCCA workers. Such a deal! I'm trying out how to swing the Solo Nats (with Khartu) the first week of SEP 2013 and then the Kastner Cup AND at least some of the Runoffs week. "Hello, Boss? I'm taking next SEPTEMBER off." But it's a good starting point for negotiations, if nothing else. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 07:47:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412452D0723 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356352D039F for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8KDn4cu026006; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:49:10 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: , References: <20120919190655.BA1BF2D070E@autox.team.net> <1836610125-1348084930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-402041276-@b3.c2.bise7.blackberry> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:49:04 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2WoaoFX/wVlYkjTnCtBRV6BfoaqgAlKwYQ reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ah! Dijon-Prenois I believe the French F1 was held there several times, but I expect the town is better known for its Moutarde de Dijon. Perhaps if you first stroke La Chouette, with your left hand of course, those cute, under 65, gals will favor you with their kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing@googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:02 PM To: tr4racing@googlemail.com; john hasty; fot@autox.team.net Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy BTW.... The next race at Dijon will be attended by those girls. The less 25 years old, not the +65 ones. French you know! Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing@googlemail.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:09:37 To: john hasty; Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I try to find photos. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: john hasty An: 'MadMarx' An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy Gesendet: 19. Sep. 2012 21:08 Hey guys, I think we need to go to Germany. At the races I've been to here the women are all over 65, fully clothed and no kisses. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing as an investment strategy I agree too. And have to add: Nowhere else you get in contact to so many nice and helpful people as with racing - not to forget the light dressed young girls who give kisses. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 19:25:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191AA2D0361 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s25.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s25.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A182D0359 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT125-W42 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s25.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:28:43 -0700 From: Fred & Mary Hodgson To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:28:43 -0600 References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> FILETIME=[701F8730:01CD9798] Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 Pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici- Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it himself. NFI personally. Fred Hodgson > Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 > From: silvio@koelbelco.com > To: autowizards@msn.com; stlnyc@msn.com > > Fred, > This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. > This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number > is under 10,000. > We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by getting it > posted on FOT? > I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. > Thanks, > Silvio > > Silvio DeBartolomeis > Vice President of Sales and Marketing > Koelbel and Company > 303-995-6363 > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto@mymail.mines.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM > To: Silvio DeBartolomeis > Subject: TR3 Pictures > > http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 20 19:55:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56C32D075E for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1012D0757 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:55:42 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QR5MYPEw66ZITI4WY8tLq1k/ZulPABpIiO4QPqqCgJl2qVI/4gGX2X011A3aZrQv; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.75.172] by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TEsVk-0003jU-Hr; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:58:33 -0400 References: , <2A6EB37FB96C3347B9DF1C6CD144356CF469C7@kcexch01.koelbel.local> From: Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:58:28 -0600 To: Fred & Mary Hodgson Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SOLD! FW: TR3 Pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I was going to wait until I have it home to post, but I'll be bringing the poor little TR home on Saturday. Thanks so much for the tip TeriAnne! I'll update soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Sep 20, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Amici- > > Posting this for Silvio as he has not been able to post it > himself. NFI > personally. > > Fred Hodgson > > >> Subject: FW: TR3 Pictures >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:10:56 -0600 >> From: silvio@koelbelco.com >> To: autowizards@msn.com; stlnyc@msn.com >> >> Fred, >> This is the link to the photos of the TR3 that James set up online. >> This is one of the earliest TR3s out there. I think the serial number >> is under 10,000. >> We would like to get $3,000 for the car. Can you help me by >> getting it >> posted on FOT? >> I plan to post is on Craigslist and VTR tonight. >> Thanks, >> Silvio >> >> Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Vice President of Sales and Marketing >> Koelbel and Company >> 303-995-6363 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Scott DeBartolomeis [mailto:jdebarto@mymail.mines.edu] >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:14 PM >> To: Silvio DeBartolomeis >> Subject: TR3 Pictures >> >> http://s1147.photobucket.com/albums/o550/jdebart/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 08:23:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F71B2D033A for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867122D0328 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hp2572664f9a91 ([unknown] [71.119.63.35]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MAP002FGES0KTA0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:26:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "MORDY DUNST" To: "FOT" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:26:23 -0700 Cc: editor@vintageracecar.com Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 09:03:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A452A2D0771 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr01.ntelos.net (mailrtr01.ntelos.net [216.12.0.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6C32D0328 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr01.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q8LF5hc4017379; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:05:43 GMT Received: from d-128-235-112.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-235-112.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.235.112]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:05:43 -0400 References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:05:43 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" To: "MORDY DUNST" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are some really good photos there, thanks. John On Fri, September 21, 2012 10:26 am, MORDY DUNST wrote: > CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from > various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage > racing crowd. Enjoy. > > http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 09:59:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AD32D0760 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA682D073C for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120921160204075; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:02:04 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 392990403; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:01:58 -0500 From: To: "MORDY DUNST" , "FOT" References: <7C8EB6DD798744809FFE6BCDEDC10964@hp2572664f9a91> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:01:56 -0500 Cc: editor@vintageracecar.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net THANK YOU!!! Terrific collection. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: MORDY DUNST Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:26 AM To: FOT Cc: editor@vintageracecar.com Subject: [Fot] Fw: Some cool photos on CNN link CNN via a Canon photo deal is highlighting some interesting photos from various sociologic events. The link below is taylor made for the vintage racing crowd. Enjoy. http://cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/fast-cars-and-hollywood-stars/?hpt=hp_c2 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 21 20:45:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85202D07E1 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DAACD2D0787 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 02:48:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2012 02:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 43561 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2012 02:48:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IAbF47ztRjLYffD1OeAVRnCQ0JRNx30oWMTrGxsPal5TmMUqSs1DC50JsHlNLLixKWRQwsM4JFpzPg3sMx4tNsK34gnTCxwF5Y826tmBoRqu94Ahp3bVoQ6Z8isM664aHNK1xw7LzZRrlllg7nDXTp9Z/9YjRTJZpI1PGaGQt60= ; s=s1024; t=1348282135; bh=gwnp0+kng9FJjTUu6KGXixvQ3VlmId96Ngu+kB+OtCk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=4Lpeq3sEMm03u7oQT6w+sBFMFVbVFFo6/UN2O8v583VF4E7fNh5tEB0Fdg8cW2MEOOxxjOR3IKI+/7nEnjpkqDLARjTQ8Spk6dpcI0peWU4qzhOt7hfnF5/jULrUOQxsgBRlDDOtjaA1jikbN48cBUDYFeM1TgIwNbgdBLKeTB8= asOzzbNnpdQ._59TELdur.UtRbpQ7BFsSKG4jDeX2EnB9UVZR5E5J.RAjhn9 UhbGuDEa9Xpa_t0dB3L0O6SP0ow2qn8zcB3tckaa894kKyz_AQiOScLrXkRD 7psXvZiqhAPwtk7uLbMQqnR2MO6Y94uOA.mDElhwQ8NiESjOhK293YJrZA0c hrd2Er5ft3OkokEFuCmZJfMCDF2uCbqqlTnG3C_RE1DFiPeO8ZbSN0DBxAQ6 J.X29eit78GXYxJTepKO1OrVhBwu3Oaeb3.7gdJFUeo.HWv7rQ1WZhS6f00K uyawtXWNJmD31aXgByjf7RIFWGYQtM1NcNLxfw4Ap23gnfXGDxxjbtJUx9eS wsHYTRe1VBbZkU80URV2qb.bGNMLarifeW0zo3zPxg9wt9MimAxyNC90m4sW zdHuqqvpYK1642CghYMP_LptuiOnZ9W_tGVZuGWwbVadv1BB_hHQNZPXi17b 50ble28IaOOLNrK4v3Or3E.CksDMzF9ucd0u7EmedQ91B2Jn3CUmOWZIlSvL MK0tn Received: from [192.168.2.8] (Tylerpthompson@67.190.144.189 with xymcookie) by smtp115-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2012 19:48:54 -0700 PDT From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:48:53 -0600 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Cool 1961 Le Mans movie by Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In case you haven't seen this. Ty http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=VGfQOLFHgYE Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 22 19:37:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7522D039A for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C6AB82D02D6 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2012 01:36:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.207] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2012 01:36:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2012 01:36:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 65414 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2012 01:36:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348364215; bh=XMZywiBES9i0vmG9LPGW864M2XVCT75cVcYp28ovXzM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ss7T8FEnQDjGtJSOvEY46aRKe05y+Z5S1f2S9IUAIzp2Lw4kVQNUeEGw25gXiiqkCUhXGzCxiZESDsNlosJ799zOzco1wayCN5wLFwP9FuyxjHKC0JCPZ2nC2fW83EEd012WXGzWyNeHL77lQ/eD0re924gckLBkA5RiwGLXxko= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JPV9g8I9MTXCQeHSDcbg8SjG+twnLvuuWo7Bioz6YcyBzMCKGnLu/HChuEA/PG++2BE9W2kLUwnA3EtOtmxRKn8uq/h7PJgLTQTa6pk344yNG3loneON7CZACoygg2uysX+gv16+Jl9Eef8OYXmItFikzflZY+DSrp9OtRIXqAU=; M7aXDBmwp2mbVLDajHuuB43_0Il_rsS14SPXgChLBhjIvdztxxb9L7IBn2B7 6JfDouahOht3zqVnCpOmdWfw3Ex_WGt0JPcR_snvkwGPusbap1RFTMsBF4Yj o.KPJPegpDiDUq5ccimGjXqQ8CWLqDC9j5MePlmBXTtDbNHzM08gsXFW5T3c A7aPjRYHESOW.y9B1s.u5qN2Wr.MV611OPxbr_l12HrOPqNwNez0IilJjlMR vh_GnVrhp3RM8kjJHHxpqkBbDwv5eNtBFu4C0Tx52S4qkLNjUGxH4N7wE6FL 5qMHQGRso_RiaE5m3JWXQbUBbcXdn5d6TV_DrLv3kT0mStpPUb4t5vBAUVAt CaVD4D4peu9cncppvh7wxVb19fy4Px4aWYubv9LI7pV29IBzI5QQSD4jkpBj Az0LHokIF0ivXtEJTpoM6GXqWlrPljDxoA.ADvYWu93mie9Wfh2nlVLhnTuT ONAPP8.OYy02lcA7zMZIDzGg3iMwu5kZWaZ3SaMLfcepQTDLrXKxSKZDdoP1 78B6Wa_iuzCBXVho- Received: from [72.131.84.242] by web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:36:55 PDT References: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernest Husmann To: Jason Ostrowski , triumph friends Subject: Re: [Fot] runnoffs time again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The day started cold and wet but by race time it was just cold. It was not a notable day for Triumph racing. Sam Halkias was up with the front runners in EP until he got tagged which broke something in the rear causing Sam to do a very interesting 180 snap spin approaching Turn 5 putting him on the trailer earlier than scheduled. In GTL Steve Sargis started up front battling with the leaders until he pulled off with mechanical issues. From beginning to end today's GTL race was the best I have ever seen; lead changes several times each lap with Prather out powering Lentz to the checker winning by the nonexistant perverbal bumper or 0.023 seconds. It would have been nice if Sam and Steve could have finished as they were both very competitive. Tomorrow is the HP and FP race; hopefully more great performances by the Triumphs. ________________________________ From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:41 PM Subject: [Fot] runnoffs time again Looks like I'll be stuck at work this year and monitoring things from live timing feeds and video of the races. The entry list shows quite a few Spitfires in HP. Halkias did good in his Wednesday eve Q2 session....sitting 4th in EP. This year Sargis is trying his triumph hand in GTL in addition to FP... looks like he only did one slow lap in Wednesday eve's GTL qualifying though. This year, Triumph's are racing for the championship in 4 classes. Triumph racing groups will be Saturday with EP at 12:35 and GTL at 2:35. And Sunday HP at 8:20 and FP at 1:20. Self proclaimed FOT Championship corespondent, Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 05:17:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04762D03B0 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A802D0337 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhq4 with SMTP id hq4so2885631wib.2 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 04:20:16 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=fBMzA/RpWPLtnwuFtEgfGO5xOj882e6CLE+4MqqSH+8=; b=r7tL5yNoTSfmPbv6mZeviq5lv1L5YSeRnGg23znL4mhDeodrYNhRcGGL9OtecyBLiK Tp+htUMdeIUdDmlTLjmTln15fFd9th2WpL9Lvx+p715Jd0076A4aFZGiw9+XnxjUgrHR hYFP6U342VrPgYul3KK6TJGwhU++NbpmjiSH+Qx48EJI9igHJ2mEhSqgsSAcjzJtKPnq lV0VVj2+1BHWGWxR0p8KXnLCqMX6IONxDqF38QpLogV+uAf6QuWhSabWBFMRDS0AXVnm a/xEyUSLM00ygnigY1CHBSy1gzhZr7lATvkkW3cU53qCPDHd21mn4WJS0ZOYi6wny8CO wdIQ== Received: by 10.216.181.195 with SMTP id l45mr5602389wem.52.1348399216357; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 04:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-12-222.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.12.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f10sm4833217wiy.9.2012.09.23.04.20.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 04:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:20:16 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2YbNH1RIANQ2qsQhmZY/AlS5WOuABEHpIQ Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] 6H of Spa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If that won't make you jealous! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be 108 cars on the grid. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 08:50:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C5D2D07CD for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5C02D064E for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:48:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so4578964qcs.14 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=82ilXYx3sqGe2KceXVZTdL+NXIcXGiNqMXydO3VeL/Y=; b=t7hND7TTpENilHUgqyV9hzE4/xQ66HpXm3LMEOoV4nOWjQ0wefvxDQ9k34RM3T/Dnv hdEXQrm+hC+wuGJFYkyHl7PYMRurWrXcIOBvMWF/6H45WJMq5SvxymqqTRj7cmQzGI70 sdQFr7meWzK0BwOy9d83jLGlBHiiSAo38lzSmep9PRWgUZ63kJiwqOMrrhwxilT4cp6V v8n8P+hlax0ejSeGvy8dmUR40YqtX1yP5MZZc2uxAonPW2DKj4IqaU+aH0A3WdPnsGYv kMoccY0NaW9zO5Q+oWEEdBq2q3KRoE5I8aCnm5CUBsvMrLijBCoGX0YEcghCWidPYFP9 Lsxw== Received: by 10.224.207.8 with SMTP id fw8mr26111140qab.92.1348411906741; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm21447260qao.11.2012.09.23.07.51.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:51:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2ZmvNcYg34jtRYQdCbz6nRuRECsQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know if this was already discussed. If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA RunOffs. Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while watching F1 on the TV just now. Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, wherever!! Check it out. http://race-monitor.com/ Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 09:42:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF31A2D0695 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CC92D0624 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3so1588202wey.14 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=0QZ8OpVaMwM/W0DAP9gJMZjEkTwGuPbdFWL/tYsDfvg=; b=htEApdAnhvsVd9pE+KdCSyedjo3qLA1I3CnolijBUbT5mEhRmMMaM7L0dVEPDFIUoJ lKmRbMkSLN3sFbeiwYzdxYUGkDNvobwhEKSKOwWn0Sbow61a0i60myJCoae0cwLJDSyc GOVQcOwDaz9+UR1XOcR6nohYYcLRIWd2PP6BI+RN3uYFKCiTQlp+u+9GdbQsjvfy8FGY TNZdjlQqkkZCvNc4piG5Gs1v4vPDXgKOlSvLRcq+rnCjsyqmkJJxJM93hGCbHrdBxYb/ NsRAZ+QvSPpOxK4wjClJameeNylS8U+S22mxS3OQakiOdgEH+nay0DXGfz/OxilApcVo 1FWA== Received: by 10.180.24.197 with SMTP id w5mr8833119wif.22.1348415141567; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-12-222.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.12.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm9852878wiv.11.2012.09.23.08.45.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <25A1C4C4-8ECA-47FE-9541-2225AF336171@yahoo.com> <002801cd997d$6a12ef80$3e38ce80$@com> <505f0b7e.66bd440a.573b.fffffc7bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:45:41 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac2ZjYmBDf0H/dnlTEOQCNFiGtWcYgAFLXdA Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] 6H of Spa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Best Triumph 28th. Best MGB 20th http://www.ris-timing.be/~circuit//6hspa/2012/2012_SPA_SIX_HOURS_2012_1_Spa_ Six_Hours_Endurance_Race.pdf At 06:20 AM 9/23/2012, you wrote: >If that won't make you jealous! > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIGGZhpAzY&feature=youtu.be > >108 cars on the grid. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 13:00:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FC22D080D for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B61D2D01C9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BHuvU8026082; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:57 -0400 Received: from core-msc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.197]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 69C81E00008A; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:57 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, rblake36@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.161) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:56:57 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1347386217; bh=JC3AmgZ9sT8iU71nxK/E7N0K5ehTn/GN4JXbd492WNo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NvLppnag6c9ihouwNa/7KldSzl5G9uqrzenNt+uN12jbIrimFQ2yBTPHfGcTeKjm1 PEZ4V4s6pvHZae0VAOxgq5ElW7TUrZL0aYZ3KeBdmz8H4IkKSPNr1Yt9JfzoJvQFVd fFe/DaCfcR0lQXz3tDk3etttQrFLcIHZqCzWNqME= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e504f7b69423e Subject: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net STICKERS FLAGS SHIRTS MEDALLIONS ETC. John Hasty, et. al. I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to do any funding. We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'Joe Alexander' ; rblake36 ; fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment I know how it feels. Last year we went all the way up to Mosport from Charlotte only to brake a rod in the 2nd practice session.....certainly something to be avoided. Joe....are there any FOT stickers left? With the re-do of both the right and left sides of my car needed after Mid Ohio, I have lost the ones I had. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:33 AM To: rblake36@yahoo.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Sorry to hear of these MECHANICAL MALADIES. BTW, it turned out that Jerry Barker's fuel supplies in his RV/Hauler trailer had lines switched from his genset to the race gas by an RV service center. He was running street gas in his Spitfire and that caused his failures at the Mitty. For myself, I have installed a bone stock TR4 engine in the AMBRO and hope to run it midpack and reliably next season. Alexander Racing isnt in a position to deal with two race engines, and we hope to return to the track in 2013 with maximum track time at the lowest expense, with the TR4 and the AMBRO. I sometimes think we ask too much of this old equipment.....especially as amateurs who do most of the work ourselves. Money is likely well spent on the suspension.....all that HP is no good if you cant go around the corners. I must be getting old. But I dont want to tow to Mosport and Road America and then return home with tortured metal. Something to think about. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: fot Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Never be beaten by equipment Pops and I had a less than excellent weekend at TWS it would true to say that we were beaten by equipment, one of us physically. We just put a new engine in Dads #14. The second one since December. We built this one with Wiseco pistons, stock liners bored to 87+.005 on 1-3 and +.006 on number 4. This resulted in the engine lasting most of the day Friday for test and tune. On his last run we did a plug check. We had been trying to dial in his mixture all day and moving from a lean condition as evidenced by previous plug cuts in the day. After adjusting the mixture, reinstalling the plugs, gapping points, and rechecking timing we started the engine to hear a horrible clatter from within. Same clatter that dad had heard at the Mitty so we feared the worst. Later that evening he and Bob Kramer confirmed that #4 piston skirt was scuffed again. The same thing happened on the previous engine at the Mitty. Oil pressure was great all day (80 psi from 3000rpm up) the water temp never went above normal range. So other than lack of piston to liner clearance, what causes pistons skirts to scuff on the liner? Can a lean mixture on the rear carb cause this without showing up as a hot running condition? On to my issue. My aluminum hood pins broke on the TR3 on the back straight. Unfortunately, the passenger hinge snapped but the drivers side did not. The hood bent back and slapped my helmet pretty good (beaten by my equipment). Never thought of it that way before. Not pleasant. So I am in search of a decent bonnet. It is for a 58 TR3A. I am not too picky but proximity to TX is a major consideration. Info on both issues is appreciated. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 13:31:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95FC2D07F2 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dunnwalshholdings.com (dunnwalshholdings.com [99.107.226.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1E42D07E9 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::580d:91d5:42eb:8e76%10]) with mapi; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:31:20 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: fot Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:31:20 -0700 Thread-Topic: RE; [Fot] El Kablamo! Thread-Index: Ac2ZwU9L0x9Dfqf9Q5ymYtQ8J+avDw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] RE; El Kablamo! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The engine builder; Jim Clark in MN has offered to rebuild the motor for us. He's already found a block, and I'm in the midst of pulling the blown lump and crating it up to ship to him. Will keep you posted on how he does... Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 14:48:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51B92D0811 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s20.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s20.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31CB2D080E for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:46:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W23 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s20.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:49:09 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:49:08 +0000 FILETIME=[E1740E70:01CD99CC] Subject: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who is planning on this race? Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 16:07:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FE32D080E for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845AB2D0627 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC712E01E for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:13:16 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: fot References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Race in Las Vegas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kas Kastner wrote: > Who is planning on this race? > > A road trip to Vegas would be nice, but I don't think I'll make it. If the race were closer to the end of the month, maybe I could have done it. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 17:23:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA2F2D0839 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693682D0683 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8NNLtE7031811; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:21:55 -0400 Received: from [10.4.113.88] (mobile-198-228-197-157.mycingular.net [198.228.197.157]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id EEC1AE0000CD; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:21:54 -0400 (EDT) References: <1347376097.25948.YahooMailNeo@web125004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8CF5E49ECF23936-224C-ADA9A@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> <8CF5E5DF80B896B-224C-B2905@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com> From: Christopher Bock Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:21:53 -0400 To: Joe Alexander x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348442515; bh=pWYoGBcI+/OaX1EOGsyVWywPJvDPT5gouxS+acEJNgI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=F3YvV497eKFCM72svVr0Rq2SqvjISNHaKQ6DpmB+iawVUzNDIvJDmB5shP0WUDVgR RratqMNsOJ94s9qt71GAX0FLRD7sGQu1b5HwS4RbJ9MZjs8/8yeVhFM441nkhS/qwM XMZf1xgJMNHQ44ar1gZHrRw1OsdbqvLyh1E2VO9g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903505f99923a37 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT REGALIA......VOLUNTEERS???. KCUP 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I still have badges and flags available. Let me know if your interested Chris On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > STICKERS > FLAGS > SHIRTS > MEDALLIONS > ETC. > > John Hasty, et. al. > > I think we are depleted of any regalia items. All of what we have had, in the > past, has been through generous volunteerism. And we didnt use these moneys to > do any funding. > > We are now very low on FOT FUNDS. 2013 KCUP will not be heavily sponsored as > in the past. We can use sales of regalia to do a nice job of funding some of > Kas' expenses and perhaps a hospitality tent in FOT VILLAGE at Road America. > > I plan to offer up CALIFORNIA AIR proceeds to help THE FOT FUND out. > > But we need some volunteers to support the rest of the regalia. 2013 KCUP > will be successful with John Houlton presiding as CHAIR, but for expenses > beyond what we have available in the till now, sales of regalia and > 'sponsorships' will be very welcome. > > John, your inquiry is very timely. THANKS! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 23 20:45:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456AD2D0830 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D14F52D0817 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 02:44:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.167] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 02:44:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 02:44:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 49081 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2012 02:44:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=lQ51JfcAThrOjDMki80u17cnZgJbc9fgdfl50GkiVuZwN3FOsQh2f+IfFKRxkyXe9szRZEze2xUSbnR3FdHt6CpXZSksz/VdBfDyN/mU4CX94WQaCi9cKtQRl/pDRUBmOa6KO2/GRsLX1otjpRdaxvUk5sgm/ikKOfQ3CtjsQnw= ; s=s1024; t=1348454640; bh=OwF/M7BG/b+7FzN+AqbNrwSyq/z+Qzu1xEa6ML1TKMU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=QTCB2aDi0T0K9QvqHUydJnTwZeNxNKuloZhw9wY8pRhXsQ+jAbm3N4i6aXZp4ys7zp0XNWmI94aBAxq2TGitwvQZHA8NjO0Yh1VAg6UVP0i2wR7i++1gktJMEwq8q3Vy526T45h93kj+sjjDuXr8FX9pR7szav/YWp2ugg7Ex24= SBno.dyCyWQRqm7Qrnpe3NqttzwEho5BAO4HCEnZrt9LtYf2px3jaUo.58zn e8dvZ9SDc.cDNRK77mijYHZiFj.x4tNdeD.43CMwgu18j0aRqzgIaDdl.6xx 3VV0G_A9PwUgni.TujRfujpuzO2zbVdVELyebz9pdOyML3xXZAYTBzuLack1 NMO64pOXm_XzH2w20IYzjj110iLc7at3mLgWYkTNmw3lZcJUb7YUXQ9Q_T9C RqrCZXRQ8MUNC4WpCbP4VkWlo6xfXNGMOixOSD57JjEGIGI0PWihsZntdUcp FXJMzZgaLqP.6BhnoLrlW1nw2SSVCsQGell8BlOxZ5GchWCfclq0gMUtntbH O1zdXAy7UPyv_L5FIOY9lokONz8l09XOlipotu7EMM0BKuANs5GqTglEawlu bcAV3QM8_KcWOTHzbZPGrfGeT3YCvazdvvvy4iUQx_pqPP3FSfoMf5jXhvl5 eKPlFAG_vA0Z.1BD0u0LtsPzLY_WSVAJB8UUJoTm9gdk6GFZuyVbz2I.4z1P qJac3OeFrlHilym5J.w-- Received: from [192.168.1.3] (jaxonracing@71.234.118.70 with xymcookie) by smtp105-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2012 02:43:59 +0000 UTC References: <001301cd999a$f422d830$dc688890$@com> From: Jaxon Racing Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:44:16 -0400 To: "Clark W. Nicholls" Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] App for race timing and scoring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was introduced to this app at lime rock this weekend and was excited all weekend with "watching" the run offs and sargis today. Waiting for replay to come onto speed cast now. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:51 AM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > I don't know if this was already discussed. > > If you have a smart phone or tablet, there is an App to link directly into > the timing and scoring computers of participating events, such as the SCCA > RunOffs. > Race Monitor. Costs $5 and well worth it. > > We pit marshals at Lime Rock use it at events to keep track of race winners > for victory laps and awards. Heck, I kept track of the HP race while > watching F1 on the TV just now. > > Not only SCCA events, marquee club events, vintage racing, whatever, > wherever!! > > Check it out. > > http://race-monitor.com/ > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 08:23:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D144F2D0816 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278522D06CB for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=VYYhp7M0G7QA:10 a=Au4-Gw_F1xplm4iVJBkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=R8uAr6YF0Vt4lCZSya5FiA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.122] ([10.127.132.122:58118] helo=cdptpa-web31-z01.mail.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 87/4A-28917-34D60605; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:25:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:25:07 -0400 From: To: fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Fot] thread tap size Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Having a senior moment. Does anyone know the thread size for head bolts and main bearing caps for the TR3-4 engine? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 08:39:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390A92D086D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294BE2D080F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8OEcUbb020641 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:38 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:30 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac2aYkQAu3KdCdt7RA2vS34NW4WQVQ== reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] SVRA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I 'spose everyone has the news by now, but SVRA has purchased HSR-West... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 09:40:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6132D0816 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF7A2D01B9 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6A9FA38000243 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.9]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EFAFDE00008D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:32 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348501173; bh=hdMw6zvT+KaGhRyNq13rCWd+SfUaxtpjg6yYTklolf4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CitVIjV1s0uJwBSb9nvUAEFVAkVbL7VkGhLPdRHJ82hZwXnCHk9h7tiqVexTeLc79 34WldOKqj8uX+tJsVnf4Da2LEp0uA3AshYCkGLfHyNFkotEmsZwhKwaxYt+Stl4+8j jrLFpIibShAspXj/NJgZdpvMjquRG7+LzCESSWCM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b50607eb42a97 Subject: [Fot] FOT FUNDING and THE OSTHOFF HOST HOTEL FOR KCUP 2013??? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, I came back from the RUNOFFS to find more submittals for the FUND. Generosity abounds and is greatly appreciated. I will summarize and list the names when I catch up. While at the RUNOFFs I visited with sales at the OSTHOFF. The OSTHOFF is the prime candidate for HOST HOTEL. Their proposal has already appeared on my computer for review...when I get time. The OSTHOFF is the location of the ANNUAL CAR SHOW for the ELVF. The OSTHOFF has 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites available. This means that you can get two or more couples together or several of your closest friends and get the price down to 'normal' or even less. I have done this in the past and it is a very pleasant way to spend a vintage race weekend. The historic Siebkens is right next door and an opportunity to visit the well attended bar area. The FOT sticker is nicely planted in there now, as well. Siebkens is also a candidate for accommodations and has new construction in rooms. More later......thanks again for the funding. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 09:44:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE712D081E for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com [173.254.64.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 592362D0812 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 795 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2012 15:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2012 15:47:16 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=64393 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TGAsO-00080p-1A for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:47:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:47:17 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Andy is one of the drivers of the orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and Road America. They are experiencing some handling issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered to help mentor them, and would like to see them be successful. Do I hear a second? Mark B.: Andy Willms awillms@estatecounselors.com Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 09:48:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4912D0861 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64522D0683 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 15:51:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.251] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 15:51:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 15:51:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 53546 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2012 15:51:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348501868; bh=JqDb71rHQTtGpvc/rRoL5JH3OXvN+VimhPjfsRwpAkQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pSBuAekaUVdgHMEavfE1cIO5PfpyhAeTYCn+z4u3hPyA2QV+N1vbFhvNawNID+jRL05MOCpFeZa0MoaVA4ZZOrnlcEKy08HXYcd81656XxTeKcfo/Pxn6y4q0DrXXiaRCvVSJq+Y3LfdeIMNUg+j+aBlr8MCAQZRqU7TFI64bGw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OocvcmSW4eapWfNXNZW7WpUqER62sOdlOUvve1Q/MVKpgVp9K+yo1R9LIdbui+ggr3jf5UkKhAwIc78HccTOO1VHUtl60+DYNePp7h04EyVQ81t7MHXBwy2bORXCbvz3vPrnNlY1URmHHAeXUpya0nZUIkxXGsP8vyZwtqAT+Eg=; Rvkq63ayaylN46xRbITzygrfAyzUaadLH7pPs.NsBvGJa60Xq4w_RRgM._Ka Opl4xsVnVkMxH.udwq8nchIAL.Dmbv6Rqt8ln973_Xz1XKdPblz1jYEJiNCy Vt5_hAQS3NgYJVJrGWM5x3.R3n5CvXLBK.QFNsjl.c.9N84auaRgqIldqDIO NKOC3irjc.jtqbm.q__GNz7ws5xcXUT6Ro9i4RfdW.a9gBUV62Icb.KN6Nyf 4ODlBMF.4x5MVJRJB1vgSvcmFrTRoVeuqnQSUFlqOjMJBx9NKj4Joi_A1Q_w WdhEyothIOUmv71EtfNnqPP4cJMY9xaDsbcBhPRbE4v3VfAJq4.mJNNEdGVx _2QDsS_6a3Hj9HGpj8uk.aYjllxihqCM6IieSU3RAb6fsdtDjLPY4C6Af1LK IyQfqqoFVfgwqlBA33ZO26902UJ6V7IQf0WGlzgGUkEA69GOYukzKntY4b3j n50id43tArZPRRscBRPctWFSjwnxEql5qRS1OjTqTJlEQH1ZvjPCo3OY- Received: from [99.71.100.143] by web162204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:51:08 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Morter To: fot@autox.team.net, Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll second the motion! Welcome Andy Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 9/24/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: [Fot] Nomination: Andy Willms > To: fot@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 3:47 PM > Andy is one of the drivers of the > orange TR-3 that has joined us in VSCDA at Blackhawk and > Road America. They are experiencing some handling > issues with their car and Andy would like to be able to lean > on the collective wisdom of this group. I've offered > to help mentor them, and would like to see them be > successful. > > Do I hear a second? > > Mark B.: > Andy Willms > awillms@estatecounselors.com > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 10:26:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B57E2D07DC for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:26:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s42.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s42.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B502D07ED for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT120-W63 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s42.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:28:22 -0700 From: Kas Kastner To: fot Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:28:22 +0000 FILETIME=[9D48D370:01CD9A71] Subject: [Fot] Need a contact Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike Munson will you please contact me. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 17:28:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516112D08E2 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0882D08D8 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oagk14 with SMTP id k14so5358392oag.14 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3J2qbhLrPOP091vM/9/dTszPrix4bbarlHDrv93zpI4=; b=uSxLZnPfRPvjunic79GgsAXIGESSgEayhezZc5uiAxtKmVjSSy1BS+9CCQIxKbyxs7 mn+g1NY/KxjlCXIRToy+mUAa4S6SmQnFHo76IYR+evbmqWAf51od+IShkTcbjr3JCT9K rLGn26BTCVpx/1w0Gxr5DUkFkIVA2rnRfAU9KdwNXgVvrt7lsjhNXdnm2S87jf2rNczo aQ/rg78Tu+giNUdda1ppFsRVg0DaYZPGbHvP48fzhjhpllLqu8pxMIxVmiSLhTrOhcEH gbAcrBKL2sI7JIeub5knOHjjOqCvGBQ8+2J1agzzwQsxzG/l+xestIGPI+nx6dMVFzcl K4nA== Received: by 10.60.22.196 with SMTP id g4mr14091261oef.95.1348615903415; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.12.232 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:31:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FD5F65B9@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:31:42 -0400 From: John Styduhar To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT FYI, I received the attached instructions from Moss Motors regarding the universal flare used on their aftermarket hydraulic pipes. This flare works on either bubble or double flare applications. My application involved a TR4 clutch master cylinder to slave cylinder pipe using part number 588-020. The OEM pipe had a bubble flare on the master cylinder end and a double flare on the slave cylinder end. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Hyndman Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM Subject: 588-020_Clutch line_Triumph To: "johnstydo@gmail.com" ** John, I have attached some information on the universal fittings. I would suggest you install the line you have and secure it in place and it should conform to the proper flare and not leak. Do contact me if it does not work but you will be able to return it if needed as per my authorization. Kind regards, Ken Hyndman (1962 Austin Cooper 997 cc) Tech Services Moss Motors, LTD. 800-667-7872 ext 3752 hyndmank@mossmotors.com****** *Please use the REPLY function when responding to an email received from me. * *Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products is the customer's responsibility. This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.* [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 980-346_Universal Flare_Supplemental Information.pdf] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 18:50:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711752D08A6 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AC42D076B for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3cSH1k0021Y3wxoAEct767; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:53:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.82] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3ct61k00M4L5TyG8bct7fr; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:53:07 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT List Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:53:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. Looks like this: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 21:22:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E992D06BB for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D063D2D06BF for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3f9M1k0010vp7WLA2fRmgZ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:25:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.82] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3fRl1k0094L5TyG8RfRl1t; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:25:46 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: Bud Rolofson Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:25:44 -0600 References: <88E8731D-0E7E-4152-8712-BA3020B1629B@comcast.net> Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Float Gasket for SU H2S carb Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think I found a gasket I can use. Thermostat gasket for a TR4 is almost a perfect inner diameter and thickness. I can cut the rest away. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi@comcast.net On Sep 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Anyone have a spare float gasket for a SU H2S carb they would sell > me. Mark Eaton lent me a manifold and set of SU H2S carbs but one > float gasket is missing and I don't want to buy a whole kit to get it. > > Looks like this: > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Float%20Gasket%20for%20SU%20H2S%20carb/ > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 22:20:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8046D2D08E9 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADC22D08E3 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3gK41k0010EPchoA9gPreL; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:23:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.82] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3gPq1k0064L5TyG8MgPqHz; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:23:51 +0000 From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT List Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:23:49 -0600 Cc: Jim Gray , "Mark A. Eden" Subject: [Fot] Now I've done it. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Took delivery on a 1971 Spitfire Mark IV race car the other day. The car came out of New Jersey. It was a race car from day one and never was registered/licensed to run on the streets. It came with a SCCA log book from the 70's and it's first race, other than the Bryar Driver's School and the St Citie Drivers School? in late 1972, was at SCR (whatever that is) in September of 1973. The car was raced until August 1979 (last log entry) at various tracks on the East coast including Lime Rock, Maars, Watkins Glen, BridgeHampton, and Fingerlakes? so it has some race history. Don't know any more from then to now. The guy I bought it from purchased it a couple years ago and got it real close to race condition but then had a partner bail on him. So he sold it to me. I posted a pic of the Log Book and the car when it was raced back in the 70's along with some present pics on: http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/1971%20Spitfire%20Mark%20IV%20Race%20Car/ Been sorting some things out with the help of Mark Eden, and Jim Gray so that has been great. It came with a Weber downdraft but I'm trying out some other setups thanks to Mark. Two SU H2S and a 40DCOE18 setup are both in the works for some testing. It's got it's flaws but I'm looking forward to doing what I can to make it better and having a lot of fun to share with the list. Thanks Bud P.S. Anyone want to buy a really nice TR4A project car (Below). It's the white car in one of the pics. 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 09:22:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213312D0694 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89D72D073D for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qadc11 with SMTP id c11so1386684qad.14 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:23:22 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=RF7M4DhpxwASgbTA3QFrj4OFyi/D6BmnXBdrbDlQ/IU=; b=Urx2giAlX6xhz1KPZpYa9JqCSxmuDZFS00V8fOJrBgeuhWqB0eVVqh5iCsxTivhMfv xLQXv0yhx+WB48Rn3RKHCtH05KLudL7caQ9YbgZzw8y6LVUnmqZZri5t6Jv3NJmH5TiE 1+wOe9HkehIJHU4iEe3VIa5l5T6TGMzfp3LRctbmmq0SrjbbX6nXh3+0jbdKYjXaGovu 0U8zWzC0oRqg+ZohHCfrsHEXmqmiBO7aao/YI6f+I4NOxv5D2Qd7t8UMZjEUdcO1EcpF VvNfuAFJc58ftW2XvoswmNe7J68hqP6gDnze/eWueY9mrwSs+/6ZyzM7OQxeD7lLgQ+F 4NrQ== Received: by 10.224.178.5 with SMTP id bk5mr2818536qab.15.1348673002493; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em3sm5077223qab.5.2012.09.26.08.23.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Bud Rolofson'" , "'FoT Triumph'" References: <073FCB6E-DEEC-42FB-9B7F-5903E7B2AF6B@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:23:20 -0400 thread-index: Ac2bnsoDKq3SGlOMQbqcsKDwf6jnXAAW18YQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Now I've done it. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net MARRS is a race series, not a track, down around Washington DC region. Could be Summit Point, Pocono, ??? Fingerlakes is an SCCA region, probably at Watkins Glen track. Bryar is now New Hampshire Motor Speedway or International Speedway or whatever... St Citie is probably Steel Cities, another SCCA region near Pittsburgh. Didn't see any old photo... Nice looking car, make sure you install a full roll cage with strong side bars!!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 14:17:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24C82D04C5 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B2A232D048F for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:17:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17809 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2012 20:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2012 20:20:48 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.197] (port=54788 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TGy6C-0006a7-MI for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:20:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:20:45 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.197 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Cheap generator FYI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Today's Aldi grocery store ad includes a "Workzone 3250 watt 196 cc Portable Generator" for $229.99. I picked one up, we'll see if it's worth anything. Looks like it will run a 20 amp 120 v circuit. It's not light, I can report after loading it into the van. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 16:32:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC482D04C9 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A40A2D047B for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8QMZiL2021030 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 Received: from core-dle002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dle002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.166.133]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AAB2DE000088 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) To: FOT@autox.team.net From: Chuck Gee Received: from 71.159.231.184 by webmail-d134.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348698944; bh=xOfwWefYsYA126luHK23b1Rf4LtxcTn6kBkd7YYXBXk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BBxUrSnD1Bcgo0BksIoQTKTvK9g+uD1Iefu3x0m4lxYBqKy2XeB0PQcSpJ2FJsbbW YE8Z4WuaQYQGCyFul+DrmuJTpGcByqUi/Ln54Z7+feTPjxQ78tSADyTGN++7XJcVrY K7Eq5cNDHrlZoAPQzF/2Fbv3rV+Cvo6sBpjDBmjY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d506383406d8e Subject: [Fot] GT6 aluminum radiator for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello fellow FOTers, I have a slightly used aluminum radiator for the GT6. It is an exact copy of the stock radiator, but is made of aluminum and has a thicker core. It bolts right in to the stock mounts and uses the stock hose arrangement. I'd like to get $350 for it. Contact me off line if interested. Thanks, Chuck _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 11:33:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: fot-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291FA2D027C for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com (imr-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F522D0249 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BBEE3380000A4 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-msb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.137]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F4A3E00009A for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CF6C743E2988A7-B24-52048@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.98) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20110426; t=1348940195; bh=h2fYMhhYMs7RSkzVgdR3CcykPqWHndOdJw8ejzkSLQI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i1r0OFU136ZdfVJydWfs7lq2v7YC6h1sSZKueBMdcAewxm6IX0dwGKF/5QFDDDkkK LlYReWVX2jM3iccB3m9m77yy5jrxpixsNWyENOQn6G2a69mmwGgliSToBHD+AUKs1p UovEGscjNiEJ96UprUZWrjptaw7BfoqOg6sws48k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b506731a25ce6 Subject: [Fot] ELVF 2013 FROM JOHN HOULTON CONFIRMATION OF KASTNER CUP DATES Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: See below....planning has been in motion for the KASTNER CUP. Now we have confirmed dates. Road America, VSCDA, and THE FOT is committed to making this KCUP one of the best. Mark your calendar to run "FOUR MILES OF BLACK MAGIC". Joe Alexander Hi Joe, We are confirmed with Road America for Sept 6-8, 2013. We should set a conference call with Mike Kornelli this week or next so we can begin formal promotion before the end of October! John _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fot-archive@autox.team.net