From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 06:01:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CD742979 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 06:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamtest3.bright.net (spamtest3.bright.net [209.143.0.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193BC42964 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 06:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by spamtest3.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r31BveeU004687 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:57:41 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id BWT21008 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net) for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:57:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:57:55 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: FOT refid=str=0001.0A020209.51597634.00FA,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure Oil. I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 39A Tallboy pump is showing. Enjoy. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 07:49:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533BC429A8 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E55A42975 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:49:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9B6671C00015A; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.5]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 242A0E000085; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) To: tedtsimx@bright.net, FOT@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364824002; bh=KhMhgZSL2EkZQBF8a9wUcZFlE0WNsesfgeJdRW0oeCc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=seF3XiVSXvGgNh1u+UabmQO3QIinA33AwENAyN2Svg7dtiWf5jba/Ntkxzmmhnl9o 1VbXMD8cHi8JqVWANNZzy4srb8+ChQtSpXO+tH/u+AKTCIn6iEpzs3RQq56/+SVetb ZgR5PNocqDAMeM3J/6wP3PKZhk1fZ/dSY1mZPagk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c51598fc25c4d Subject: Re: [Fot] Service sgtations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 04/01/2013 5:59:18 AM Central Standard Time, tedtsimx@bright.net writes: > With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our > website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture > on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of > tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure > Oil. I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim > 39A Tallboy pump is showing. Enjoy. Ted > Ted... Boy! That's a surprise. I thought you were even older. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:06:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E43D4298E for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (imr-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21B34295F for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AF07038000246 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ded003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ded003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.54.9]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6D9B1E000091 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net> To: fot@autox.team.net From: robertten1@aol.com Received: from 96.233.64.253 by Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364831890; bh=ilPRiZg4DTGTGhP2HaPeDu1zR6CHrqSNt3m1WOFwOMg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tX5VaxuI6LbBsIjzyvcOntu+0qsyGgIBE3uPjNPzihudjIlFTeQGzkJDwBUw2OPjj biyiDvs7loT9g/59VHyHOfWl15YJe+HfcRhEIiaF6wNiwrPwZldbO/O+yY2jSAJ/GY hDaLE1adPQ66k5/Vh7FoHs8vtJmi7eD4ZCY8RbG0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495159ae926a06 Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple service stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit and prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales to 5 gallons per vehicle. And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel, and this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think about fuel economy. Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ??? Can't figure that one out. Again my 2 cents, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our ebsite - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture n home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of ghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure il. I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 9A Tallboy pump is showing. Enjoy. Ted -- ed Schumacher edtsimx@bright.net ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 08 S. Jefferson St. andora, Ohio, USA 45877 ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:22:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFDC429A0 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B70428F5 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jesw1l0010vp7WLA9gEC2Q; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:12 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JgEB1l00V2vctGa8RgEByb; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:12 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: , References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net> <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:14:09 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4u8pzsBEAsgrcYSnmlAeqdAYj7ZgAAPbrQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1364832852; bh=uK6wRWWEhF744/NnHcwWhM+wNc/rsBWRqIb1l+7qFKg=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZzK7xGLh26d7FVU31WNwvbR73faYu2do2mzjGxt0WIOnoxRhlWxiKB0EEvntIrJmY /rXycSt8P+MmJxgsaywUvz9yMVpOeqSSc1+1mC9tXzv8kzoM2CSOIHAaODhEsswAVi frmpzFQfsDqdbwXJc4euDY8nhAHl6sqS9P90XktGWpAFfBx7A1VRZZC824FnIKyN4H 55KpApKqLDxfnFaKgyTNAReEWTj7py2HJB0O1NBoCbU+9AW/kkV/pA/wMJd5L/119H RwMq1ak3No/MN+3ezAqqpz9Zg4AMLgWguQYthjfrBO6U9RaFhqzThNkm/e1b7kYIGD bQMdNx0BQzxcw== Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Around 1970 I worked nights at a Chevron Station...Guys in a big car would drive in..open the trunk, and say "Hey..Wanna buy a nice suit?(:-) RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:58 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations And speakin of gas prices, back in the 70's when I worked for a couple service stations regular was in the high $.20 range. Then the oil crises hit and prices jumped to $.50 to $.55 per gallon over night and we limited sales to 5 gallons per vehicle. And customers were outraged by the cost of fuel, and this was also at a time that some drivers were just startin to think about fuel economy. Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ??? Can't figure that one out. Again my 2 cents, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:59 am Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our ebsite - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture n home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of ghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure il. I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 9A Tallboy pump is showing. Enjoy. Ted -- ed Schumacher edtsimx@bright.net ttp://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 08 S. Jefferson St. andora, Ohio, USA 45877 ax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) hone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) ech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:22:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191E042978 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5DA42906 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JfPJ1l0070EPchoACgHxp7; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:17:57 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JgHw1l0082vctGa8MgHw7w; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:17:56 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:17:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4u9HctRvYwEhNrTAi5/IjGpXwxGQ== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1364833077; bh=Fo2xi9qtMfnZUnHmgQ8GgH2eTeULRDfM53qz0Mj++f4=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KVTaYNypHLi/ZB7xTH/YOb1H3VnZN5hA/eOCLLnphYSTX0JddtsUyqbXBF52i/n+5 7BhsO+bs3q/FJfQJ+oCSUXT3Kvok7HBkIaP9FMHET+QPgwe5rH/ImkMjyV3qFjGZeJ DE0ejZn63JWi47hKi5Hq+LHuLuUBe7B7Wce+HPv/qCJAKurRVywGr6Aw87eLcrn7AU 3NCYcTh8m5ftUDY5xx/pFq7f+bJf7Hpt2nz/eCM6KWXSQYpKrbSyKyDtSld4yQWMqv fhLCdvUlEg2HXfNfUD0HvGILi4u9bQ4VPgF7RQimPGRPLHLH9B5JFWBOZnFz2G3GMo gZeosUDGH3/3A== Subject: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the car? RB _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:23:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A277A429AF for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C5A42975 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r31GK1VR028405; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:20:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: robertten1@aol.com References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net> <8CFFD08D6E80108-EE0-3C689@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Service stations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 robertten1@aol.com wrote: > Funny, in my town here in Taxachusetts I'm paying $3.43 a gallon but the towns > next over its almost as much as $.40 MORE ??? Can't figure that one out. This one's EZ - DON'T BUY GAS THERE. ;-) > Again my 2 cents, > Bob T ... adjusted for inflation, $.20. Nyuk, nyuk. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:37:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CF9429AD for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc4-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc4-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32CA42948 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS9 ([65.54.190.201]) by bay0-omc4-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:28:36 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FOT" , "Ted Schumacher" References: <51597643.5070003@bright.net> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:28:35 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:28:35 -0400 FILETIME=[F58F7D90:01CE2EF5] Subject: Re: [Fot] Service sgtations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Very cool Ted. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:57 AM Subject: [Fot] Service sgtations With all the discussion of gas stations, please take a look at our website - www.tsimportedautomotive.com. Click the link under the picture on home page that takes you to a history of our building. I am one of tghe lucky ones. This was started by my family in 1913 and we sold Pure Oil. I have pumped gas at 21.9 and that is what the price my Tokheim 39A Tallboy pump is showing. Enjoy. Ted -- Ted Schumacher http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:39:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8511B429DE for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8C4003E for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:30:12 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "'budscars@comcast.net'" , "fot@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Fot] Electric cars Thread-Index: Ac4u9HctRvYwEhNrTAi5/IjGpXwxGQAARD2g Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:30:12 +0000 References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 50 years from now there will be a Vintage Prius Racing list on whatever version of the internet exists at that point. Some crusty old crock will be telling tales about the old days, when batteries went bad and how they first learned to refurbish those batteries in their driveway, using stuff they dug out of dumpsters and how, later, they figured out how to boost the discharge and recharge rates of those stock batteries without them blowing up all the time. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:18 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Electric cars What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the car? RB _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:39:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C74429BE for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33B140325 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.173.163] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:55:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364759738; bh=noRle0a3UEos8Rb26JthQQ4M0wq8cC/wtW8HFnFTnNA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=vaYcIoLqeQQbIBeeNfXk/EXe/pD0bjhhhZgKfdNISEANpnRfcuJXRIZlaAG9TTvI2RfkTYyyqHKLX4vKb/F/37zuyQsBalvbP3sfN2jM4SxrLufumainqeNZZnAJ11mZb/PM231WgxLFrHxr3VHTaKyYqexub4AWN+24/O5OaLY= Y_yEvaUakOxOcCKBSSmn.36TPHXcq1LonMVuJ_pXDBzkAj.8iBqAAacMRVQw T2J358y1JOIToVCL.rKEtMSw8hEypPHml5wSiJsi5Tp6qZMJOVztWxyBnVwp yaRwovVMvPnHyV81wopvsACNsMeefTAbKNVlltg0muXZVZ982QB723r2ujW1 CSBuekCUWyvS2gS1sTdn3Dpk28Wg7k.l3rXcwrRaiQmseo2Q49KF7r7ooulb H6gX1CWN89HEyPA3v64ovRsp4dkdjghWwC5o79DgceV5WT0_dv8hCiFLsy3s yQRei42Y4SLvRLPwae64mch3utagi.UL4dTyfmEOfl2SZHh24SBwAdobDPL. 9STBCmj4dY_.Gb9WC25k5evZIXfqm3ORszpKR1rKyNx8Zdxt0fUio2quPCoQ BMV1YBGTp0WMPhTFJNy2kE0BfKtRalE9u6g3pyH6.nteVlq3DC6rRQZwBROv .Du_3.0NvRfWOeV3Vlf_Cbekx with xymcookie) by smtp106-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2013 12:55:38 -0700 PDT References: <1364759046.25383.YahooMailClassic@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:55:38 -0600 To: Russell Westfall Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Angie's baking scalloped potatoes, ham, homemade cheesecake, some new spicy green bean recipe, and a fruit and marshmallow salad. Some of you met her in Topeka at the Kastner Cup getting lots of autographs. She also helps with the car... Lucky to be free and have a great partner to enjoy this life and the next. I may have an adult beverage, but first I am going out to the garage to pull that old Paeco cam I destroyed last season... We are that stage where we have young working adults and no grandkids. Easter will be a lot more active in a few years... Happy Easter to all of you. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Mar 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > Here here! I love to rant and talk politics but here is not the place. We all > love Triumphs and racing, lets enjoy the one place we don't have to listen to > the "spin" > Happy Easter to all! > > --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday >> To: "FoT Triumph" >> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 7:39 PM >> Obama is our President case closed... >> BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying >> for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS >> Easter Sunday, a day >> to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this >> is the last day I >> think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... >> we've got MSNBC and >> FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... >> >> Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking >> a ham, drinking a >> beer, and celebrating being free... >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bill Tobin >> To: John Hasty ; >> Michael Porter >> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >> Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear >> >> Sorry, can't resist. >> My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, >> have come back and >> then some under President Obama. >> And your grandchildren will still be paying for his >> clusterf**k in Iraq. When I >> hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood >> boils. And I heard it >> recently. >> Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, >> Obama is indeed your >> president. Live with it. >> End of rant. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall@ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:40:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BDB429E4 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40813403EB for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:56:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:56:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 19:56:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 57514 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2013 19:56:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364759805; bh=TqqvtM6FhaB0PvLPshLQ0TZ5bQWuOLMMmyTxaHlyEFU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kd9s66fzHLt36gmrrOA8fyqZRaL1be1qkc8+fhjmqxDHxleeGUwREp169/GCUVR7NptS1tn3hMa1uScngpLshbSPG2RY3DcOi8nd/33zP1K1m2zpJCUgdOd9C7L0es1UyL8kEqME7nGx/wAouJ0xAS4phn4wy29qv2CK1hfJQ9o= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hmvDlpy4iHZmJhaMMa6IXffr1fwgA9EdCgPWFYvAwDMRQymyIbIDLrCtNgOkUTl9YjGHuXEX6WaGMVeqNOsUSqa/9hZ+CTreX7RYwKZEwCfiijKydkjaJ6lbtco0zrPQ1bBxd+ZC5/ZcZg/DMRVZDmi4A2i5potPHUZiQMr3huM=; ExbjwBcn24YvN_Dgq9xeQKfV95r4PR4NVqyvHc9v.kEZ3clFRssWf9EDvTaj sa6kFBGM38yjtAcz3T7jIDZtPCPugwIqIUiwAGd0UJhPJ32TR62RoTtoOICU T42ip3.TNngAglPiVJCK49JfmhWFjAorhTaK0leb5F93IPkHMToyH7BX2CNS FZ2PElL3VrtNiQcAGXWL6scX.sbZOimtJSqBWsTUmzS6beHb65s1GgbqEQUz mbS8sjX2LLER9SRp4_WNFWIKZYeT4COjzSMJBSKe0xHHbpdSdFEaMPr7TsH0 7vUeO5BoftMDw_yxh_gQ3fGsZVobimaBKAuf8jdNZnsWLmgv7QkcwdgeosSA tmmJrQVmp7fj7WjvmQcZ9QXv2Vi6FAAqH5PIyBkso.QrKDrmjcQ2bnGdfpK4 jf88xl4X9n_VeeM7lERRpjy3ESP.2TPWjnHmMnifcRTvyDk19yH7ZsOawVbc yJiNckoyYDHhwDfbeUNZdOh54Ci2WGEIvGulv9_g2Mz9cHsZBeQtzTA-- Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:56:45 PDT T0ssIGxldCdzIGdldCBiYWNrIHRvIFRyaXVtcGhzLsKgIFRoaXMgZ3JvdXDCoGRvZXMgbXVjaCBiZXR0ZXIgd2l0aCBUcml1bXBocyB0aGFuIApwb2xpdGljcy4KCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IEpvZSBDdXJyeSA8c3BpdGxpc3RAY294Lm5ldD4KVG86IEJvYmJ5IFdoaXRlaGVhZCA8aWdvZmFzdGVyQGF0dC5uZXQ.OyBGb1QgVHJpdW1waCA8Zm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PgpTZW50OiBTdW4sIE1hcmNoIDMxLCAyMDEzIDEyOjQ2OjU2IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiABMAEBAQE- References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com><607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com><72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Joe Curry , Bobby Whitehead , FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net OK, let's get back to Triumphs. This group does much better with Triumphs than politics. ________________________________ From: Joe Curry To: Bobby Whitehead ; FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:46:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:40:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5C542AAF for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF33F403E8 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 14:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r3so1410123wey.3 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=H08t8zC4eGpMKaq18R5dWcTNSomhP2iZe2qy3VeDFpk=; b=XmWhLPu0wHxhtZ8R/vB6GyEGNUFeSNaENiOgro4hmGIMTZLKtXDXrMUMeU7Ec1ZSmK GR/9tPlfTDnp8qc6bLsPPpfFGEIUWW0Kh05DZ1LNbtUjewi9NLEiO77dKtjwLNTFe/Rn ZcX22hezoHYt0192YoGrxLUvkgUDHwKnRqPsQrF8lOLDID7CjAG4MsG96lfa6BxtC188 25qfZDe3k9efy/89py1rIDlDrMBqs5mLMlSTcjZD3NwOInbcVn2xpgZaE0mdYOwmZ5md BPu6NMgn7khDBLAyTJ0SKKHHMBlYfqgTUBdGDJTC+h02KdX5JMDEgb4WS2YOA7jBUEfp LdEQ== Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.0.11 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:36:54 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Joe Curry Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, take the hint and shut up. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on > the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all > the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, > a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day > I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, > drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard > it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:40:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1348442B07 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:40:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01711403E7 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 22:47:39 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 22:47:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2013 22:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 54251 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2013 22:47:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364770058; bh=0YKZHaRgtTDf4Ge5fSVsAUrgmPoGTgCWx7tfFjLDv2M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wQQIuExXvEzejPGqhaNzsiDbrY/gebVpjSBvge8TSKOC6mLWH+fmrOC0UV1+a9sWojimAcnbVRYeuYR97AHWjdbcvWff6y3siFgkeITTBVG4GeU0ZacY9xboV2ZGSBxh0E8CZBFhdx6QYPTaxVW+mWncn1mLzZl7042YyqzkM4c= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IBCZFkoM81TU8CIQsxh2SddXVtkP6w3+/XXzD6hevzkSl+sQYWdeBt/dSxbekxgTKXIVKOAz6JxUiNFHwV4W4VzW9JMvW/JjRAjl12Oj/gPNdME5cyexd8C4l/XBC3x6deMcqrxKMVBUMhXk1WcMFJOyjAwe8azGMhvBNk12s7Y=; niq527.iaR4ACkIk29xHLpLo9z9SGf1SFO6mUJ9V5HQSnL_vOXrCD5V8KVaI NOmBuz7ueQAtr80P7n22QPgFmGQg0XYx4HNyClKVKVoVr_dmuB.ILe_01Dzv W5JF47UfUIG6mYL18oZDm4LRq_iKx6JChZRqdRyQx11jNXPKsaxPHkJaPSqh Uazt8fTS3oAQ32LudSdSwJTvN37.9Ac030mpfhSaGETQnF7WBInJl7wGSVPx VRCYuWu7BcI6LR6ykZ5PimZHAw2ITHfH4fr_fEpGEp7rKZcDVDKd43qq2FV6 DS5UBthRTpPUx.9GzycofFxT8rm3ls.JD.CNA4UsMX79NV2eXI5WMUYC.t7f xBRBdagTLALaWaDwT44ggDwWrwkZ.lgjosltafIhe72S512UYzMnftVQ_RF5 S.n9BOLXLuQgIW3WJ.zP_hds61pL2OPd3vGFrtnZ4.2E9bG.MK0X0Wp6NQLM E0VuQ4STEfrgf.RtUVkrvH.A5Cbsq4bZfMtO6_9x6jkpQEX88M9FtUDy6UWA rkY2PHWzPlpk7fsjLks1VNqX_0_cxp0Xu4NlJm6c8Pg.dk7Tr0GF3IQFaa3Q Mk5BqR7v0Olmpby.rKzrWyij7OGhioNUtqVJzSmfbTUFV0xUwL7kw_lJc51S X7lJJSfQMOdf1BuJIriEVfyw6CoVoMJK_eyN30c9fdfGMmA-- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:47:38 PDT DQpJIHNlY29uZCB0aGUgaWRlYSB0byBzdG9wIHRoaXMgcmFudCBvbiBvdXIgbGlzdC4gSSBkb24ndCBjYXJlIHdoaWNoIEJvb2IgaW4gRC5DIHlvdSBjYXJlIGZvciBvciBkb24ndCBjYXJlIGZvci4gV2UgaGF2ZSBsaXR0bGUgdG8gc2F5IGluIHdoZXJlIHRoZSBib2F0IGlzIGZsb2F0aW5nIGFuZCB3aG8gaXMgbWFubmluZyB0aGUgcnVkZGVyLg0KVGhlIHBlb3BsZSBpbiBELkMuIGRvIG5vdCBhbnN3ZXIgdG8gdXMsIHNvIHRoZXJlIGlzIG5vIG5lZWQgZm9yIHRoaXMgcmFudCBoZXJlLg0KSGFwcHkgUmVzdXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: 'Bobby Whitehead' , 'FoT Triumph' , Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I second the idea to stop this rant on our list. I don't care which Boob in D.C you care for or don't care for. We have little to say in where the boat is floating and who is manning the rudder. The people in D.C. do not answer to us, so there is no need for this rant here. Happy Resurrection Day! --- On Sun, 3/31/13, Joe Curry wrote: From: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday To: "'Bobby Whitehead'" , "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013, 2:46 PM Bobby, Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and outright lies at worst. Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would affect their bloated budget. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be paying for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a day to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC and FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking a beer, and celebrating being free... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Bill Tobin To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear Sorry, can't resist. My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back and then some under President Obama. And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. When I hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it recently. Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed your president. Live with it. End of rant. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:41:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983CC42B2F for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6885403C7 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.105.245.3] (mobile-166-137-181-232.mycingular.net [166.137.181.232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B92438F07; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:59:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <163bf.14006f3c.3e87470b@aol.com> <5156029D.5000601@dfn.com> <607A04D6-C8FC-454C-8191-046120018014@gdhs.com> <72C72B039EC44EB6B398E59AFC51ECB8@hpd530> <1364758761.30540.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: "J. Wagner" Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:58:58 -0700 To: Joe Curry Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Easter Sunday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net great job guys... bring politics into the FoT and do it on Easter... it has Zero place in FoT posts... Zero. I don't care who started it... just learn to let it go. Nothing is gained by a pissing match here... and ultimately... there is much to lose. On Mar 31, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "Joe Curry" wrote: > Bobby, > Check your facts. The current new spending is the lowest it has been in > years. Obama's responsibility is to pay for what your beloved W. put on the > national credit card. We can't get away from that. So blaming Obama for > what is passed on to our grandchildren is false economics at best and > outright lies at worst. > > Of course if you are a Teabagger, you won't look at the facts, only what > suits your own agenda and disregard the rest. > > The Republican agenda is to continue rewarding the richest in our society > with continued tax breaks and dismantle Medicare and Social Security all the > while protecting the Military-Industrial Complex from any cuts that would > affect their bloated budget. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:39 PM > To: FoT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Easter Sunday > > Obama is our President case closed... BUT ALL our grandchildren will be > paying > for the debts incurred by him and his predecessors... it IS Easter Sunday, a > day > to reflect and honor Christ if you are a Christian... this is the last day I > > think we should be in a pissing match over politicians... we've got MSNBC > and > FOX if you want to find sides and rant and rave... > > Happy Easter... now....back to my smoking lamb chops, baking a ham, drinking > a > beer, and celebrating being free... > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill Tobin > To: John Hasty ; Michael Porter > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 12:51:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stations of yesteryear > > Sorry, can't resist. > My investments, which took a major fatty TWICE under Dubya, have come back > and > then some under President Obama. > And your grandchildren will still be paying for his clusterf**k in Iraq. > When I > hear him (Obama) referred to as "That N....r" my blood boils. And I heard it > > recently. > Just as Dubya (he called himself that) was my president, Obama is indeed > your > president. Live with it. > End of rant. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 10:41:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237EF42B12 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (modusmail.surfnetusa.com [66.151.140.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9405D40066 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 01:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from surfnetusa.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.20.2025.14901) with ESMTP id (AUTH = gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com); Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:45:55 -0700 From: "gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" To: kaskastner@gmail.com, j.wags63@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:45:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net .020" copper wire is really to thick. It does not compress enough, holds the head up to high, so there is a tendency for water to leak out the sides of the head and up the studs. We have found that dead soft copper wire between .012" and .015" is the ideal thickness to use. We glue it in place with contact cement or "gask-g-cinch" which will work like a contact cement. We still run thin beads of Silicone gasket maker around the two long head studs on the manifold side of the head to keep water from getting around the studs and causing them to rust & pit. 85 lbs ft. of torque is enough, with "permatex anti-sieze" on the threads and under the nut. It is important to use good hard head nut washers, like those from ARP. Retorque the head when hot after starting and warming up the engine, also to 85 lbs. ft. of torque. We use .003" to .006" liner projection with no more than .002" difference in hight between any tow adjacent liners. Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Triumph Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : Kas Kastner[mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com] Sent : 3/31/2013 6:36:40 PM To : j.wags63@yahoo.com; fot@autox.team.net Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Head Gasket Coating Pay attention here. The sticky part matters not much, but the copper wire literely seals the deal. Ho Ho Ho. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:09 PM, John Wagner wrote: > If you are using a shim gasket, may I recommend GM Goodwrench gasket > sealing compound. > We super glue .020 or less soft copper wire in the outer > rings and with a small sponge paint > roller apply the gsc. It looks like, an > has the consistency of Carmel topping. Its Been holding > High comp. chevys > together since the 60's. Good Stuff and not that expensive. > > > John > Wagner > Just the wrench > From: Randall > To: > Cc: > fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] > Head Gasket Coating > > FWIW, Hylomar spray is apparently still available, just > not from Permatex or > Valco: > http://goo.gl/jE4dw > http://goo.gl/mvKDc > > -- > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 12:10:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877E042975 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA4140448 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=nw8EqGbtv3sA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=0YCEZAd8uGvrvTeZkkYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=-DpfU0Rd5EhPpn9R:21 a=zzRbieC_4l1PYAAo:21 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:63712] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 7A/66-11869-3DCC9515; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:07:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 18:07:15 +0000 From: Randall To: fot@autox.team.net, budscars@comcast.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ---- RACER BUD wrote: > What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good > anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the > car? They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point). When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance. Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 12:13:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522E8429AD for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C7E40419 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jevc1l0061eYJf8ABiAVoZ; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:10:29 +0000 Received: from Bud ([50.131.168.135]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JiAU1l0032vctGa01iAU8k; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:10:28 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: "'Randall'" , References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net> <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:10:26 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4vA74JjZlct9WzSYSnkNHmoxXReAAAF/0A Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1364839829; bh=s60qAW032s9wo+8NBjvRjXSMIwtdE3/vjslhpyXbsBw=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Av3+DQAe/D6WoOyYXlVdJSIk3NadeL9KBqsbDZ2HCoIYU7WPGfBCvVdwnTXnwywIU dWjLVtO/Lsep/mumSbBTMpx2ViA4P9iUGRWwdSCod6e2JEwRm7rpWkASOO9fUjkpn4 EYDizcVM/ZO/PPwlKGIOUsn6ogUO+PuIFg/P3+hSkRz/3PlPwhsiLCD4bWHOCIPvIM 6LHjunEGj1wqhSusTJp+r02PpmooFBgczwR9HRRa85UDVDKhrn2fOpT/zpd+GPhndr 9D9LFGzdh4oHU8ffhHqk2Faznq7pXI5W+oddQ/4B6Oox8HGfNYsadPLniavsFgDQAx s8O9Pl+LEQqMw== Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall..Quite enlightening. RB -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:07 AM To: fot@autox.team.net; budscars@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars ---- RACER BUD wrote: > What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good > anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of > the car? They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point). When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance. Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 15:51:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3684054E for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4384740554 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id rr4so1385729pbb.38 for ; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=BhJO8s+2ASivOHLhmUQbp39iqSfME7xHr9B61aXfNAg=; b=fOltxKJlAKY+UFPujkDrFRfQ/4Taey3di04ZCUieKm/Bx1hjtVSji6DxtYREEIDWYE truEiSHa5L7HzK00cNtg0/rWzGmi3gpm542t8IjTsorMqY4oTnc2aoYY2sKgBga7LuE7 wU+Xps2lSljiUg+Z046fT8iVdnQsRAJDWgTWPO1tS3HS3eGVt1Yu1bheXq2ZUOjY2dhk 9zChxm9EPuFiOck9H3dMxrbok64YnpvLYsd7tn1TSdxzYoiPrpKruQdSXeQHBRvO6Iv+ mfiPZxp7CRsLs5rKaZZbBciVctALT7wccT3Bhjh5MXl7oD3Tr7o8W5CQ4giC+IFtMGgU dVhA== x10mr21218999pax.218.1364852510607; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef3sm16716255pad.20.2013.04.01.14.41.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:41:46 -1000 References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> To: Randall Cc: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better. Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and intrinsically limited design. My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that, but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely here. I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone. I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity miles with hills. I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles. Great little grocery getter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall wrote: > ---- RACER BUD wrote: >> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the >> car? > > They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point). > > When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. > > At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance. > > Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 08:47:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D5F40E22 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2DC4043D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7E81C1C00007D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dea003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dea003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.53.73]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 551CBE00008C for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: robertten1@aol.com Received: from 96.233.64.253 by webmail-d235.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:41:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:41:04 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364913664; bh=GbdUCSwzKT13YRaEMNJ+r5eM3c6/Xd6isDaEzwcezKI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AQZ33QG7g+sTCfyUlEesmZRh186wdmay3L0qPS/INDKorbSZTSVAexq5xglocO/Kh vtMcY4m77jVJeI/KgWztPWb4MQKvKgAy2XPW2N/ZA2QXW/HHWZoBk87p6GnhKySSs1 XWGtawArARZx+PoFIeMwCD6qe0fYBuGtHFDsfj1Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c515aee00287d Subject: [Fot] Underdrive Pulley for Lucas Alternator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici, I seem to remember some one here asking about an underdrive pulley for their Lucas Alternator. Well while I searched for my hoard of parts for a project on my Spit GT, I came across just such an item. This is a part I had made up for when I used a Lucas Alternator on my car, it's roughly 5 inches in diameter. I could send a photo to your email if interested. Cheers, Bob T '63 Spitfire street '64 Spit GT autocrosser _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 09:21:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A08540EA4 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com (imr-da06.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB714042B for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6A1101C0003AE for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.197]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 36A14E00008D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d230.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.235) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:02:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364914923; bh=sYWdyT0g/sHI8ORzQp6jNu9pStpOn524v3EDjPxnz9E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G2c2TTLpL1lK9J3F8QdSWO3D+bUsrbVbAaqe1oj5PvQr1qNLsDScSY01VSptez3jH XuC5aMHM3QsTi8YQmTPhVzVhSx2MrEfTc2ET2idWpBQbho54NByKDyTGeg8+y7usbQ 4X9fUDuzdN2C5+8uCO1r7/9x8vZFus8SVYmX4mKc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c515af2e96ff6 Subject: [Fot] CAM CORE NEEDED FOR REGRIND TR3/4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net THANKS to all that helped on a cam selection for a specific application....especially Larry Young. Now a solid cam core is needed for regrind. Can anyone help? I am helping a guy with this. Strange deal. TR3 is being built for some kind of high speed rallying in the US. If I find out any more about it I will share. Engine builder says owner is competing against V-8s and such. Owner also rallies in Europe part of the year with cars stationed over there. interesting. Thanks, once again! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 09:21:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D897425B7 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA8D403B1 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r32FFLo9018965 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:15:30 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'FOT'" Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:15:20 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4vtOPwiEf7hHvTRIeb+qme+nDfbQ== a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=s9-bWqgMlV3Jv0m-lkgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] PVGP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici: I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed on the site as to things such as: Who do you make the entry fee check to? Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ? Where is the paddock located? Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member organizations? How many vehicle passes? How many crew included in entry? Will race gas be available? I have a good video from Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a mystery.. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:21:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576D240E5F for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AF54043D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K1fs1l0041vN32cA53r0rZ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:51:00 +0000 Received: from sz0063.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K3r01l00j2xZMJ48i3r0tr; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:51:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:51:00 +0000 (UTC) From: vintage.racer@comcast.net To: Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1364917860; bh=fGG0C/ohgr7MuA2K7mGnhLBAFxs0L5EYBsXwQL1yeCE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ndSYQRiNzQ6vFzU2xjBiyWx5wr+s5kVTLpwG6E3qQOlo8o3E4fCfHBdX0ZNUQ8oAn uEaeEXKepFqXOYdrHuGQyXsgfCdNw86kMLqUoL+5ul35cgqasUbIIB9OrRbGR20Ghi hNZXlb8W/e2HS50uk9X2Xsu2DZTfiyGQsFymWRKzmXcQJhkOd+OmtQtUHasX83tOLd 3dsEAaLguld5wb+CSeFV0CwRIEdNsZqLu6kWHJ/i43qj7nkOvgmccpqLcY5fhaAEx3 CUJLfgpLAGfxK06lNvtEC+cZOLZZv9oz6NMM225kU4/vCELIe85HgMYCibnXj/FGdR rEbsI/Eu4pd4Q== Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less. Gary > ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS > Positive ground depends on proper > circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by > retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb. > Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this > to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an > electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly > through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar > across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are > liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if > one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a > Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component > no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The > function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one > device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the > smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were > considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely > because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very > unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical > components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their > Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this > is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British > engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk > brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British > Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. > > Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak > smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. > > In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy > in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries > of electrical components especially British units manufactured by > Joseph Lucas, Ltd. > > And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b > > Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903 > > A few Lucas quips: > > The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b > > Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. > > Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. > > Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. > > The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other > three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. > > The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. > > If Lucas made guns, wars would not start > > Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and > began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they > offered which did not suck. > > Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their > refrigerators. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:22:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DDE40552 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333A24043D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.56] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:59:39 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'john hasty'" , "'FOT'" References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:48:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4vtOPwiEf7hHvTRIeb+qme+nDfbQABI1ZA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net https://pvgpa.ejoinme.org/MyPages/RacerRegistration/tabid/267555/Default.asp x Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of john hasty Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] PVGP Amici: I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed on the site as to things such as: Who do you make the entry fee check to? Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ? Where is the paddock located? Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member organizations? How many vehicle passes? How many crew included in entry? Will race gas be available? I have a good video from Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a mystery.. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:37:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7842640ECF for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:37:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052FC4043D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKM00CSXXY6FV90@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:03:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "john hasty" , "'FOT'" References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:03:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, check the VRG website; they have on-line registration. Vintage Racer Group, good bunch. Look under events. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "john hasty" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: [Fot] PVGP > Amici: I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having > trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed > on the site as to things such as: Who do you make the entry fee check to? > Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ? Where is the paddock > located? Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member > organizations? How many vehicle passes? How many crew included in entry? > Will race gas be available? > I have a good video from Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track > layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to > Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a > mystery.. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 10:53:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A36040E45 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF9040430 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKM000TFZ87PW40@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:31:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "john hasty" , "'FOT'" References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:31:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, go to VRG home, click on events, go down to the PVGP races at PIRC, then to Entry Form. Then go back to Detailed Event Info, it will bring up a PVGP site. Hit "Drivers" and it will bring up all kinds of info. Pit/paddock are on Hobart St and Prospect Dr. Very rustic, old days style. Park like setting. There's a motorcycle club that watches over everything overnight, so no worries about security. You have to keep in mind the race is in urban Pittsburgh, near Pitt, and getting around towing a trailer can be a bit trying, but not impossible. The traffic grid: I'll relay what a H-P rep from the "Burgh" told me years ago; they got a river on one side and a mountain on the other, they do the best they can! Good luck. Keith and Ralph, VRG guys, are very helpful. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "john hasty" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: [Fot] PVGP > Amici: I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having > trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed > on the site as to things such as: Who do you make the entry fee check to? > Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ? Where is the paddock > located? Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member > organizations? How many vehicle passes? How many crew included in entry? > Will race gas be available? > I have a good video from Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track > layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to > Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a > mystery.. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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[72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id in5sm2331547pbc.20.2013.04.02.09.36.10 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 09:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:36:08 -1000 References: <2C24A3AECA1449709FFF0464A59567C5@gdhs.local> To: john hasty Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I did the race in Payote during the All Aluminum Tour. I doubt much has changed, but my memory sucks. There's not much need for crew credentials, the whole event is free to the public. There was a nice reception at the arboretum that you'll want tickets for though. As I recall it was driver and one guest for most of the race-related events. The paddock is along a road in Schenly Park. The name escapes me, but it's an infamous gay cruising area. Space is limited, get there early. I set Nero up in a great spot. Tech is in the paddock, they do a fine job with all the organizational stuff. One vehicle pass, there was no race gas available--I brought my own. There was a race the weekend prior at BeaverRun, a very fun little track. Good event, I topped off my gas jugs there and had plenty for the PVGP. You don't get that much track time, so you won't use too much. Great event, and lots of fun stuff going on the week before in the area close to the park. We had a wondferful time. Take it easy during the race, the track is pretty dangerous. I didn't take that advice (given by Burt Levy) and didn't have a problem, but everything you could hit is pretty hard, even if it has a hay bale in front of it. On Apr 2, 2013, at 5:15 AM, john hasty wrote: > Amici: I plan on making the Schenley Park race in July, but am having > trouble obtaining any information from their web site or from those listed > on the site as to things such as: Who do you make the entry fee check to? > Where is the HQ or registration tent or building ? Where is the paddock > located? Do they accept annual tech inspections from council member > organizations? How many vehicle passes? How many crew included in entry? > Will race gas be available? > I have a good video from Bob Colaizzi's 7 that shows the track > layout and racing line really good, and Map Quest shows me how to get to > Pittsburg, the hotel and where the park is, but the rest of it remains a > mystery.. > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 11:37:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8496B40EB5 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:37:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6753400A4 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 17:07:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 17:07:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 17:07:49 -0000 cChb5Wp7GHvKIhr_tQeA3reivn1t90fW9rCsKSTHSpSEOYktOv9jPEOZ_ZNO hHMr6J0W0x1W2PZJG8FHXdDVKo5JXOZOtzcD663rAZJxWf3VvQk4lVK9Nhyx R8iOh5xLSHmFCRooQ1mtlRsqMfiFLgCVQeanJTIQJ0JZh1c1UATv_P7f1qbB 5SouI6zartvPnD7JSBHSSUtM7qQ_j0Y1P7UGwyiDauo1t9nuO7mQUobNJJQC b7WjhIykCoKWjC62C_K.ERN4gC78TdybpPycl1p8V.QlWq2SIG7ICoejyDF5 Qr7r8zwhh3Gw.PcP5larTFLFgIZpOhYFlSOrAWUTWo9JUo7AnO56wfVsjg7. dvIZJrG2PEDGby9EKKAcy5y4tNJF8ZQjifDaPshEMIrcmjLwISYjEfYKCDR5 yOBFtennV6.Z5eK__Y79yAUTl7luagyetQgMNXwFV88JIsLLaZfw9FGHPKNJ VUitxjtp4jSOrnmwaoltMLzVdn.MLAmdy3BvHH7.IuTmiBg9vEOnUpfErPqq p8lJ.knXj2lgM4mJP1LfBylAjboRyiDYeQ2q5RyZ0ecE- plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Apr 2013 10:07:49 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:07:53 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house gases. The way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense. To have a 5 year payout, Hawaii must have exceptional incentives for installing solar panels. Payout periods are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem with incentives is that they usually change and rarely for the better. Larry On 4/1/2013 4:41 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Like any other emerging infrastructure, it's not as "good" as the technology > it replaces. Of course if we were starting off fresh with no transportation > technology a piston-driven internal combustion engine would the the very last > possibility considered. Horrible design choice, but after a hundred years of > development it's pretty tough to compete with either the design or the > infrastructure that supports it. It's SO entrenched that hybrid cars use it as > a generator driver when a turbine-derived design would be so much more > efficient, and a small fuel cell would be even better. > > Electric and other technologies will replace gasoline as a fuel, and it's > conceivable that a piston-driven engine will be replaced. Such a hideous and > intrinsically limited design. > > My next car for Maui will definitely be electric-based. I can and will run it > for "free". I generate about 200KWH per week with photovoltaic panels, and > I'll double that next year. Given Maui's electric rates and the cost of > gasoline they pay for themselves in five years. I don't have any other > investments that come anywhere close to the ROI. I can do math, so until the > engine in my jeep drops out onto the road I'll probably still be using that, > but given expected battery life an electric vehicle pencils out very nicely > here. > > I've also built an electric bicycle here that I use for shuttling myself when > I do downwind runs (drop the bike off, drive to the start, do the run, drive > the bike back to pick up the jeep. Yes I could pedal, but after paddling a > stand up surfboard ten miles a little boost is nice. My bicycle runs on the > same 4S 5000MAH lithium polymer batteries that I use for my quadcopter drone. > I just slot four of them into a case I made and it's good for about thrity > miles with hills. > > I also made an electric tricycle that everyone in the Northwest is really > tired of seeing in the pits. It does 50 MPH on the flats and I've done a > century ride with it--over Mount Hood. A "short" ride with it is 50 miles. > Great little grocery getter. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_o66ABn6M > > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Randall wrote: > >> ---- RACER BUD wrote: >>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the >>> car? >> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his > 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect > means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a > relatively small battery, it's just a data point). >> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets > scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. >> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in > Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it > doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it > doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain > more acceptance. >> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. > There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so > on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. > They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the > pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 12:05:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45940572 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2857F40554 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2013 20:00:02 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.196] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2013 20:00:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2013 20:00:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364846402; bh=uXbK+vELro1XYYlTBmNgKnQlA10CR2szilYaZrppQPw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=iLGI7Dk6Uy5RqPv3AxGd0neELWeapdqyfhXwvUVg7qHxKFLtyBvoRUVERxKN7JVwTs85Xy5umDt0HprgTU9YJ8dnE5/HiwuEEodL2Rdh/RD6m+xBgCUNWPmj/yDRrQ0OQNl44wCiLV3o5EGpslyEBH7S73rg1Kc5kaDatdKFU2o= CPr8M5GTTLGv.bqr_ec_T9Qk1eJtwsKFMrzGsIFgNehSHRQfK_LU.PSccVG7 OP_dM91pTve2t6.JpgHYoz5wfpJdb0ayqxzaCjt2i2HlqHij0HzoltvN17P. fpk1rsf.cO1ccMLu2EH3rWurDUPyG3mJAJevwiQNpDGEFWDJq8AVm2dEYNiO qk2f4LJYbflJzUEj5ZV.yArrkViUmPFKf2_eJkBuhKFHusMnarK8PpjPuRNd NmNcOJDA8n.O6CHdcJ9pl3Sjto2QySn_tv36hhfFoCOXJbozmuwzOakIJhBb 5GdJhsY1OSqGe1Ob3UwBxWYFc.JaAe03a7ctwrqR3oPE3p2uRtgPDdVPpSZL Ih9tCnGoT0kJB5lTMMHR3xoAjLmEbd9vuiW1X08.qbH_e9xA_zWvCJkpxKsu ruz.xEh2XOEwB8hvSmMsaHRNuxjt9ghhDwYjr636KJJLjMIV8HCR_7xM73Na hCrOZ2375MhvtvVucosyDMB1oPeck180I_XQBuC1.5CUh with xymcookie) by smtp105-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Apr 2013 13:00:02 -0700 PDT References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:00:04 -0600 To: Randall Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants, hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles and oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and power....maybe not in my lifetime but. I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me. Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- RACER BUD wrote: >> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the >> car? > > They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point). > > When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. > > At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance. > > Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 12:30:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1782D40E46 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE0540436 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EF4C21C0000BB for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mgc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mgc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.5]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 696D3E000089 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) From: PegAndBobM@aol.com Full-name: PegAndBobM Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:43 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364925464; bh=Ch18PYA3ag5B8rAe4G9O+eKOUgMLwg9RjpThlb/Eu4I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S6tdBtFv+rePcK7S6/jXfGM5KD3qsJ7MctLY518WkE56VgmSyvAO+l+nvmIQ7PCdC hE5oxrhqGO670TGZ5o3EH9cI50G/yHUKgi8nsr13s6xAWNMZDxuu87/bHsPDG4p7Mb HbLmnSu1ySsEbPfNWAxRcnCgjQNEJW3WwEBpAVMg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a515b1c18679d Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype. FYI only, no association, nor knowledge of claims made. Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 12:30:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A9140EA4 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF0440430 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:05:19 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:05:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:05:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 69639 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2013 18:05:18 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364925918; bh=iVLBB9z4cWcq5W5FfsVZcFYL+vXBqSlE1kL2kj2Bnx0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=st6zdLkMPZkUHP8nXwH8MDyip3HbB/KZVWf47focCRmdsaMea7ZwFuewOjQEjyNToKYaxvhqx/W46Oj8RPPim4LmkBbJk7bKco0cewF9jx1KZRRIwe9f3jAHX2rrR59qzrNXB0ziO3lnWgTT8I5Vcn8If86JguNGLY8a857Key0= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=belrR5cjicRJ/LvpzNezBanE1NuChInaqnjJdV9L52t0i/R2SLUJ1LuytWRNfguHzHVi3CvQ0ziVb9Kpfb2m/KbdP96eShLsIk5xX5GuJZ8QfDkRALRtFKpAaK72/oHyjvpyKnaDYp4kUWk+SpjS+E4rwT+GNlZ6tSLrC7/qp4s=; v_NsoK0iaJS99vTt6dS0IYIM9qM8SIjxIul62J5GC7vbcYXFNVs1HK.iUSOT LxmF9JDdEypDnYLhhkYrYJSNWgN76mlsdC.Mcnz18iOR6YP2vm.hvt3EzR7b _fNNmsnYgxLn2VmkfO7Q7TV_5HRSF73aQI85Tvoc9KpXQ2I3jlxFUnBYFHck VDhJphYcxw7bEm4svgOTC2hLb7OBpXBxsEvLu.VnSmb461vdn2FHW10VR3Zd QNd8CjwbYy3dWTfExa627D45mpAGdxqVbf7agoyFqIheXBySg7c2d_LxzaCU b4riDbScCWDKs9S_u5GwP_swXkuQOSB9wlFb9ae1OInaP_D9lykwle8gFA5B F2VnEDQADKh9uSnBs6UvkcRAE63xQlnE9522gorZvrN07wlj4cCKiAGpXOuR osrtmPmL49iw4_soEQcIwRvExpmyqMXKbbUSbe7JXqE5AGzFJd1tCmctnkVM 4NhjCMA.vdJ5aJlZ6V5JKdQc2NZv8hn_YzKIgtCoecUIO Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:05:18 PDT bm90IGhhdmluZyBhbiBlbGVjdHJpYyBvciBoeWJyaWQgdHlwZSBjYXIgSSBoYXZlIGFuIG9waW5pb24uLi4gdGhleSBhcmUgbm90IGFzIAonZ3JlZW4nIGFzIHRoZXkgY291bGQgYmUgdG91dGVkIGluIHRoZSBsb25nIHJ1bi4gVGhlIGxpdGhpdW0gYmF0dGVyaWVzIGFyZSBub3QgCmZvcmV2ZXIgYmF0dGVyaWVzIGFuZCBhdCBzb21lIGRhdGUgYW5kIHRpbWUgdGhleSB3aWxsIGhhdmUgdG8gYmUgZGlzcG9zZWQgb2YuIApJJ20gbm90IHN1cmUgb2YgdGhlIHJlLWN5Y2xpbmcgcGhhc2Ugb2YgdGhhdCBwcm9jZXMBMAEBAQE- References: <002401ce2ef4$779b7de0$66d279a0$@net> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: budscars@comcast.net Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as 'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of. I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a natural product found easily around the world... I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought about diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen what Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not a stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future... diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking oil, in the bio-diesel realm of things... Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a thought.... Bobby Whitehead To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Electric cars What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the car? RB _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 12:47:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057CF42281 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE3C40436 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:18:43 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.122] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:18:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 73499 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2013 18:18:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364926722; bh=UFomAZLSAMYcV0H+772vFh/hSNG3fVGwiSNG1K7Br/U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DdWR/GwuOyF2n8nq5yBAn3x9/HCzdasE0Y4bZzvL00YTJvordzBOi34im4NUPlOrL7t7ovLn2MBdpKxpBwRPztRgnl/u2/5mkhSvbes+u9QZc1z+CXczVSrMI2x+ZVRiry5QmVp63r9kHARY/joUfF8CC1K3rmqAw8f15GAit84= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uZ7S6aEyFbPw3fot6X4Edc+l829XxqEyGyN9Tlg3e8DJ8zj8ZxyQKAtdCOsfikaMAqeea/vOmdZH6hZV7LMpldx951ldatogsmdip8Ugh0q6REDKmnBftdVqLvhwO6JntkZomS1zXG8FjeMf9t7kCnQGYF8PF/EYrI8EgPZfbto=; pDXtFIsm3XmaS.udlDfa59RRv4eQV3IK4h9dwX0qkF6.YOi4TK8tA38TBVwl vTvAowM1sOFsQihD7X7ugyPDcT2sh6wLmee6MXY5srRpe7VyEYMOqcIjNbnQ mI4hM6lLZRCluucM17sHddYqwDlXlf1jACBNomDLVFKaCcZ3NMhtoP.9CGJQ cAvlWPtgGQSW5YP0Ta2uLefGpbRDGaRuD1L8Ns9nGptEz5yuskxBPAFLwSJc h5oa6BQ9EyXbR8s28hWLVPGfUC33wba242OOT5rqV3hxZUJPKqgDYgJNZ7pL eV3RmPDEGPr3v.Kb_ocqggL7aU8VBND35KABC.akcp1PI_5BRWe_ZEHvvUDD tQeK1ialA2xJcIumI.d0VRkj3oP2tTGyEyc8Qb3dsq9I4i7zDDKkc0MGTLa9 j1XPYcFw8EFex9L0eNAydpUQFrNyQMU5W5SgpOl2QGHGdiIwOvDL.3iefJGW kv6KJrPBugOY0x4bvG2oLq00XHNFXWE54sepfH9gHC3DjUrxwgxpBh.3h8qA mVHCfFYagZOr.rfYlU.7Cak1WFDkKi1O70R8XwQnjLjfnEQ-- Received: from [69.48.117.18] by web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:18:41 PDT U29tZSB5ZWFycyBhZ28gdGhlcmUgd2FzIGEgZ2VudWluZSBMdWNhcyBTbW9rZSBSZXBsYWNlbWVudCBLaXQgb24gZWJheS4gSXQgaW5jbHVkZWQgYSBib3R0bGUgb2YgZ2VudWluZSBMdWNhcyBzbW9rZSBhbmQgc2V2ZXJhbCBuZWVkbGVzIGZvciBwcm9wZXIgaW5qZWN0aW9uLiBTaW5jZSBvbmNlIGNhbiBuZXZlciBoYXZlIHRvbyBtYW55IHRvb2xzIGF0IHRoZWlyIGRpc3Bvc2FsIEkgcHV0IGEgY2FzdWFsIGJpZCBvbiBpdCBidXQgSSB0aGluayBpdCB3b3VuZCB1cCBnb2luZyBmb3Igc29tZXRoaW5nIGxpa2UBMAEBAQE- References: <2097144514.431672.1364917860414.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schneider To: "vintage.racer@comcast.net" , Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Some years ago there was a genuine Lucas Smoke Replacement Kit on ebay. It included a bottle of genuine Lucas smoke and several needles for proper injection. Since once can never have too many tools at their disposal I put a casual bid on it but I think it wound up going for something like $100! Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: "vintage.racer@comcast.net" >To: Friends of Triumph >Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:51 AM >Subject: [Fot] Smoke by Joseph Lucas > >The following has been around for a long time but funny none the less. > >Gary > > > >> ELECTRICAL THEORY BY JOSEPH LUCAS > >> Positive ground depends on proper >> circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by >> retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as bsmokeb. >> Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this >> to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an >> electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly >> through empirical testing. For example, if one places a copper bar >> across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are >> liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if >> one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a >> Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component >> no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable! The >> function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one >> device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the >> smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward. Starter motors were >> considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely >> because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very >> unsightly large wires. It has been reported that Lucas electrical >> components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their >> Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this >> is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British >> engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk >> brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British >> Intelligence leaks national defense secrets. >> >> Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak >> smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable. >> >> In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy >> in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries >> of electrical components especially British units manufactured by >> Joseph Lucas, Ltd. >> >> And remember: bA gentleman does not motor about after dark.b >> >> Joseph Lucas bThe Prince of Darknessb 1842-1903 >> >> A few Lucas quips: >> >> The Lucas motto: bGet home before dark.b >> >> Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit. >> >> Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper. >> >> Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. >> >> The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other >> three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE. >> >> The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics. >> >> If Lucas made guns, wars would not start >> >> Back in the b70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and >> began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they >> offered which did not suck. >> >> Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their >> refrigerators. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 13:00:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E1742453 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D1D4226E for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F05491C000170 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.197]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 80F2CE000081; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:44:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364928276; bh=eXQVyT2CLGofk4k5gWI779wK1zLH7Oa8ZMGsAaPtn6o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D8+IC5ddCrBkg7s2fDFEhPSSbE2MHV95Kg+96cDuLN/7WVkDiMOY7fvECAvrjZfdZ yUOGF9GgwAvvd6NRq7z3E7E2aR2QDP+2F+0QAJkGhAUm837xe0x/RafdJ3gsiTHO1W PjoZ7YVXLqUrDXxofZ7fqCtPhoAEhRLqwgLdELII= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d515b27140d8a Subject: [Fot] MADMARX VITON SEALS - ARRIVED TODAY. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris Marx just sent me a large number of his TR3/4 REAR CRANK seal kits to distribute in NORTH AMERICA. I had several inquiries, but cant remember them all. You might have to remind me. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 18:34:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A989340E49 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dub0-omc2-s21.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc2-s21.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.1.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF59C40512 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DUB405-EAS151 ([157.55.1.136]) by dub0-omc2-s21.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:13:52 -0700 From: Rich Rock Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:14:35 -0400 To: "fot@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[1F7A3900:01CE3000] Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Listing has been removed. April fools or the real deal?? ________________________________ From: PegAndBobM@aol.com Sent: 4/2/2013 2:28 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype Advertisement from Denver Craigslist for 1953 prototype. FYI only, no association, nor knowledge of claims made. Link: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3717049749.html _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 19:04:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A247740E45 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f181.google.com (mail-gg0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2075440435 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l4so162135ggi.26 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=fMuCUvb3dG2J5rQL5bb9fM3tjpMZfhvHXPjYDucod7M=; b=dCgCqAUUhvDRo8SGoiv8EndbBWKGGJcINyTakjonYahr8QUmalTZwOSv+nBA9kFWKI X3khKYw0mZCRtbku+mvLO8UBOYVY7GzVB6yRnWF+Q0p3tHYCv3lUhmgFn57CuoH7n3zY xd7xYYkoKdSYbSkqWybXHqoq0Ab+jQVMkfkkVrZak7o8oYcScwpAY45CG4NhJ81plSAS fIuvWywd1cRjch3yd16aJEC2pe2Dg/zzjvsiDa8mgVDA8NT/XEnJdQaC4KOLS28EE/xr 5cHmhXCMRFw70TsFGvyojO1aG8LnKTM2tSeL3uoJmZWWcLhBPEB4wJ9OJj1GUNTKjvlJ AP8w== j61mr17318313yhj.185.1364949662263; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v60sm6712218yhh.23.2013.04.02.17.41.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:40:57 -0500 References: To: Rich Rock Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum. Didn't contemporary reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly? Duncan Charlton 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Listing has been removed. April fools or the real deal?? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 19:35:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3885840EDB for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C1140537 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3C3A538000086; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.197]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BA5D9E000085; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT) References: To: duncan.charlton54@gmail.com Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1364951384; bh=Ke9t5ag68up2la/ve+Zxokkocxoe/jCSZEPZ4M/NzJI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EL7uFrv1qaYErpa8cIEknqgq35flC7t3L16QuVavTqIfunM17wUnQ5xfZI1h6/qyh Ut+donZZ3EhlXr+EvVf8T8ZthgY5iIODsGTTXsOdSxugUdGZmq+lbDSzelSGpKOVDg +D+26L6od6wcJLqiKVkcTD7fbHod+m4PPRk1zL8M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb515b8157310d Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind. I don't think any prototypes survived. Someone on the list will likely know..... A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s. That was interesting. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Rich Rock Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum. Didn't contemporary reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly? Duncan Charlton 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > Listing has been removed. April fools or the real deal?? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 19:36:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B29427F7 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s1.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s1.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E424043F for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W13 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:15:16 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:15:16 -0400 FILETIME=[B3711F90:01CE3008] Subject: [Fot] PVGP too Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th weekend. Anybody else going to be there? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 20:23:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A917B427F6 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F240572 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY147-W7 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:50:54 -0700 From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:50:54 -0400 References: , , <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com> FILETIME=[ADA1C010:01CE300D] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It must be a fake or a hoax. It has always been understood that there was only one TR1 prototype. It was shown at the Earls Court show in London in the fall of 1953. By the time Geneva came around the following March, Ken Richardson had had his say and the car had been altered with the familiar trunk, a different chassis and other alterations to the bodywork. The photo in the ad was a period shot showing the front of the TR-1 but there was nothing on the actual car being sold. April Fool, I guess. Mike Cook > To: duncan.charlton54@gmail.com > From: n197tr4@cs.com > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:09:43 -0400 > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype > > I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind. > > I don't think any prototypes survived. > > Someone on the list will likely know..... > > A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s. > > That was interesting. > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Charlton > To: Rich Rock > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype > > > I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum. Didn't contemporary > reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly? > > Duncan Charlton > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > #6 red > > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > > > Listing has been removed. April fools or the real deal?? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 20:23:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655EC427F7 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A309E40572 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 02:00:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.215] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 02:00:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 02:00:00 -0000 uONi0SgqmCKA5qVUgjHMRD7wcXBAekMuWFd3nIC23gskJw3nfZKxLWw0dOjL 6KH9XAdJpXijeRycvUh6x2My4pE_trrEmcrAWvWYnAHtqvxKYYEblCsMlLUz xmmVhXn6OL92ESew2UO7NIDtaO40fFQHzIMgY8V3EtDgHboRaLBfLiFMQfch GYVuB2RtyvhNvX6hYEuw.la.TcFGn38gXK6B5irrHsZFkJNKOGDx_J7.ktEN jeUsz.A1ecUjt9NCU2L0zQEFmMaQsbtjpofiZ15npe11VB6eqY5I1_NXSDRX RR8isQxp8YIIdyF90sBu3ffqQJsCgfhFr8v06NjNTu0JrxGnSMNDyTVDuy5g EgRSpDbtRFt6mO9wE8I3L9DCdgNOriO1l6b2dY5MphV_L0.l4PGe6tWwWrri FQcjSEZi_Wo8.NJvsSZ9fByPH.l0s3RXrGcsHFb6AvVk56tZ6MZsXBv_b5wV QpB3J6QGd3J.5p4qaGyXhKsiQ7Dn5Zw-- plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Apr 2013 02:00:00 +0000 UTC Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" , FOT@autox.team.net References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Diesel is a technology overlooked in the US, because the solution has been dictated by the government. Europe is about 50% diesel. I have a friend that averages 50 mpg in his Volkswagen Golf. My big X5 BMW gets 29 mpg at 70 mph. With that massive torque and 6 speed transmission it easily pulls my 18 foot enclosed car trailer with about 14 mpg. I previously had a Ford Expedition with a 5.4L gas engine. It didn't tow as well, averaging about 9 mpg. Diesels still produce green house gases, but to a lesser extent than gas engines. Otherwise, with today.s technology it is very clean. Unfortunately, it has a bad reputation with people that remember all the noise and soot from city buses. This discussion is starting to get political, so I'm dropping out from now on. Larry On 4/1/2013 3:00 PM, Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: > You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants, > hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a > landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles and > oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and > power....maybe not in my lifetime but. > > I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was > backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me. > Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > >> ---- RACER BUD wrote: >>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the >>> car? >> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his > 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect > means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a > relatively small battery, it's just a data point). >> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets > scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. >> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in > Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it > doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it > doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain > more acceptance. >> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. > There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so > on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. > They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the > pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 00:28:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F134284C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f43.google.com (mail-da0-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B12140EB5 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:02:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f43.google.com with SMTP id u36so523215dak.16 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=GH7zlNrGNlnp8FIcevRUP+8rT4h7biejkEUx7M2Z56w=; b=MNkFZ07TlsEPoNAw4g1JZ/Xqd4W1lWO8/ZG7NCn17tkCeW2vEl0aeiseFU5BFYNCas 7igbvYOgSBC/+Fdug9Ev5n65/LBREHYN24YLXLyFE2o2HtKRHeqX9XKY7PdmAQyR+cG6 yVjgbVeBtrSYQMcTNGHCg6PYUilPWjL0MLednx8dR2Y/RSYUfzjL8iEpN0aWLSFMqkAc bCd2eql8ESyoNio9LTzz6bjIdRx64H0/Sua+aybie9nuyc5nhWj6+kywoZ10Q8eDtIns EElfKMkW7ByPmRrPlD2kwko6WrAHVMVJcOE9ESsoWQuaVw+wKlsv6HCfHauFjmGbWRup 5vIg== uf3mr1347274pab.34.1364968785140; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yr10sm5485984pab.6.2013.04.02.22.59.43 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 19:59:38 -1000 References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <8FA3B673-3178-44BD-970F-F06FCE755106@bnj.com> <515B1069.1050602@pobox.com> To: Larry Young Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's not really the incentives that make it worthwhile, though they were just fine, thank you, but there are plenty of people here with $1000 per month electric bills. The main generators burn oil and there's a fuel surcharge that floats on top of the approved electric rate. We have a growing number of wind generators, but it's still less than 15% of the island's power. So you spend $40K on photovoltaics, drop your electric bill from $800 per month (in my case) to $14 and the math is pretty simple. In today's 3% ROI economy I'd have to invest $320,000 to yield $9600 per year, so my $40K investment seems pretty sound. The "green" aspect of electric cars is shifting pretty quickly, though honestly, I could care less about that kind of bullshit. The US is fast becoming the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas (because of shale fracking), we're already the Saudi Arabia of Coal and we're likely to become the Saudi Arabia of Oil. Weirdly blessed with natural resources. Coal is pretty nasty, but you can burn natural gas in a lot of ways that limit it's environmental effect. All of our worries about global warming and other greenhouse gasses will be pretty trivial as the third world continues it's steep ramp up the consumption curve. China will surpass the US in CO2 generation this year, and their pollution levels in dust and coal black are double ours. Move your troublesome manufacturing out of the country all you like, it's still just one planet. Electric cars are a popcorn fart compared to the real issues that face the world. But saying they're useless because they use electricity from plants that produce greenhouse gas demonstrates a deep lack of understanding of the economics of transportable fuel vs. centralized power generation, as well as just basic thermodynamics. Its just an easy thing to repeat. If you really do the math or a little research you'll be more enthusiastic. On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Larry Young wrote: > The problem with electric cars is that they run on whatever produces the electricity, usually natural gas or coal, both produce green house gases. The way you're doing it, Bill, makes more sense. To have a 5 year payout, Hawaii must have exceptional incentives for installing solar panels. Payout periods are usually 10 to 15 years. The problem with incentives is that they usually change and rarely for the better. > Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 04:15:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0462C4284E for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 04:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164E540EA7 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.56] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 05:07:13 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 05:55:49 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4wDO6I5tl5rx+FQUuUD7FlgB7jRQARG5Rg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP too Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will be going, it's a VRG event Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] PVGP too I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th weekend. Anybody else going to be there? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:25:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEB242A14 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC8340FDB for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7A2A31C000106 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.197]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 117D7E000086 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:01:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:01:09 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365008470; bh=hdsyRs7pnDphlFGmWm88ZAPnu270/t8aoGj8vNPI/2s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c9PzfKooiG1pqI8abu/YYDhbKaWFUINFLKGApdIHghbJzMvoPgk/OVrtsYrSKobPH 1nLzrZkN/HwHkyMqPOfFeJYWWM2VCOP5yZLLHyi5Mb3x1JsxPr8Xvk6AJKsv3QpWBO 6UMNEc4s1fV7z2rjk++Ymq9hAcaDzHzD9cLKTLPo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d515c60563ac6 Subject: [Fot] cam cores and Tom Kreger's email? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all of the help with cam cores....got it done. Does anyone have email for Tom Kreger? Thanks again. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:57:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363D942ADE for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BDB2840436 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.162] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:24:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2013 18:24:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364927077; bh=vpBIscu8Q3IiiV+ldTVCyxScTx7uNtZzbfKLtSCylAA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w+9g5MR7qHeG+UD9zKxfSBC30alvjdp/gO9ROh9oHNP/mRcybUGgUwZbfjz5v8ldHyvgfIZfcEbChUWni8edAQw1giJizy8rAb8AA1ErGvhJakWKnhKRpJBS7QadzG1EnC/rQm1Js6bh6/wv21rERCHDBIPIqNe4DWElvk8vEYQ= 9.kFpUS8rg.cNV3DU_GCpzsQM9UuSqY2p.7ZawMVws6bxY7ptQapqB.bPFMa MjhvdVMMGWpHOACUX1Oq6DVhQ0zDFyuCj8u_OdGQVBPGNbwuuktvVw7z1Oj3 QBW0REEAWmiAzZAw9FRy6E8T1RoNzJAFRVpTELH6bfadAPr6GbuX.HiJxMDF FxGPkZDWKfA0IA4_F55tgw79Gk1fNYvREDIyhYwh1AO_LxMG2NS2JT_bwfb2 VU8SU2QYOJcITwZATHGDdnk4dVPVZh0H69ZKJ0vnpAKL5K3lkSXGFudbh77P 36IvgkCEGcoQCAffyRNAPeo8caSlDaqqQvgUZQfXh4.iPmaxwmZyIr1QtbDW 6sbNMNYREfpfeKTfCeAW0qHEDi25.eKw4YrbCJKxTwC8Uhn7oJZOn5Ov_A07 GfMK2xzzSnd6ESOWPA.bwSIjtmdLduinpmu5rNQbb5XKINmRqRYg7.X7JWWs NIRvq25vFGu9JRxxFl6p1FRBr41LYd8rPOAI- Received: from [192.168.169.2] (dmitchel@68.248.74.56 with plain) by smtp219.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Apr 2013 11:24:36 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:24:33 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Cc: Randall , Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal. Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage. When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' than any electric or hybrid vehicle. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: >You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants, >hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a >landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles and >oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and >power....maybe not in my lifetime but. > >I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was >backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me. >Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... > >Ty > > >Sent from my iPad >(Please excuse any errors or typos) > >On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > >> ---- RACER BUD wrote: >>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the >>> car? >> >> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his >1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect >means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a >relatively small battery, it's just a data point). >> >> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets >scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. >> >> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in >Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it >doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it >doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain >more acceptance. >> >> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. >There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so >on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. >They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the >pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:57:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ADF42B99 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5033140430 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K37W1l0041smiN4AF8NDm2; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:22:13 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K8ND1l00J2xZMJ48g8NDA3; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:22:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:22:13 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Bobby Whitehead (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1364934133; bh=Ld8H/9wDJ/v1JNJdvCBaTz86qUTeW3F2hvI5azZXA9Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DTJRN/8uPfhTR/31BI4BvvMsp43dGuQy372P1VvNnTv23O03jwAOXWIBDgXTvu5rp a90+Wq3IXcoKuti9N5afb/c9HUX/gK6Ym1/8CvUqFPlhoZ1XtqVlX4mpic0gGiJisG k7T8C0AAWObtePOT8UQOrohNCPZ2IPFZ1GIiX3NYXqBjoPvwKs5Vla1TszImgCCcOm ojQfPoY9Lwle4UQUM8xJBkFGvL8l9Ur+01TQaWLAWSSukO5zuRrI6m5KuoUSn+6kLh MvoqRE4h1zQ0cldmAleKOJM7hwruK/FD1Bca+9q+3CXjtMSZ/fp0fDOqU0qt05qVD7 jQt4FW8UX3XWA== Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net "What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or.. what becomes of the car" I have two words......Big Block Wouldn't that be a hoot. A supercharged GM big block running amidships in a Prius. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: budscars@comcast.net Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:05:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars not having an electric or hybrid type car I have an opinion... they are not as 'green' as they could be touted in the long run. The lithium batteries are not forever batteries and at some date and time they will have to be disposed of. I'm not sure of the re-cycling phase of that process... and lithium is not a natural product found easily around the world... I had a neighbor, Rick Perry (not the Texas governor) who was a 5 state representative for Audi America.. (we own our third Audi) and his thought about diesel was pretty interesting... I think most of us 'racer' types have seen what Audi has done in the past with Formula 1 and diesel powered F1 super cars....amazing success story I'm sure most will agree...but.. 100 mpg is not a stretch in the real world for a diesel powered vehicle in the near future... diesel is a product that can be made out of natural products, like cooking oil, in the bio-diesel realm of things... Seem to reason IMHO that diesel or bio-diesel could be a long term solution to energy and 'green' standards for the future of consumer automobiles.... just a thought.... B Bobby Whitehead To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, April 1, 2013 11:20:09 AM Subject: [Fot] Electric cars What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are B no good anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the car? RB _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:59:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068C042BDE for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578A542549 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AA95371D00FC; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:24:21 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , "'Randall'" References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:23:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4vzFZqmeLZrRvTRoSck4EbhOBkhwAJBZFg Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hydrogen has to be produced also. You can either extract it from the air or strip it off of water molecules. Both processes take energy, and if I recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM To: Randall Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants, hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles and oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and power....maybe not in my lifetime but. I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped me. Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- RACER BUD wrote: >> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of the >> car? > > They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for his 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has a relatively small battery, it's just a data point). > > When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. > > At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that it doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain more acceptance. > > Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal combustion. There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:59:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFA142C0D for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D126C40333 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130403022350.BNRN26738.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:23:50 -0400 Received: from HomePC ([68.13.44.148]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id KEPp1l00T3Borvo01EPpLz; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:23:50 -0400 a=TtuG2Ql364KHA/XbXbuj5A==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=e4aIP54viE8A:10 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Zk3OmFfbAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=h0OvsO772QUgqw7C-FwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=MG4Rcr4xqJIA:10 a=EYE8wTkq5dQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=x46t9oslO7cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=TtuG2Ql364KHA/XbXbuj5A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Bill" To: , "Joe Alexander" References: <8CFFE1F0F2CC09D-17F8-52BBC@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:23:52 -0500 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1953 TR 1 Prototype Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TR1 was a one off concept car used as the 1952 Earls Court, England, Show Car and was revised after the show to have a trunk and became a TR2 Prototype, one of Ken Richardson's test cars. April Fools! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype >I have not checked the history, but I suspect a hoax of some kind. > > I don't think any prototypes survived. > > Someone on the list will likely know..... > > A hoax on an Italia surfaced in the 90s. > > That was interesting. > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Charlton > To: Rich Rock > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:01 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] !953 TR 1 Prototype > > > I'm not sure it would be a good buy unless for a museum. Didn't > contemporary > reports point out that the TR1 handled very poorly? > > Duncan Charlton > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > #6 red > > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rich Rock wrote: > >> Listing has been removed. April fools or the real deal?? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 12:33:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56DE424B8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8695142BEE for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70707A0FE4 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:08:11 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: Fot References: <9u9p0yw4k388jp42p5sn6rng.1364927073610@email.android.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Doug Mitchell wrote: > It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a Prius when you include battery disposal. > I recall something about the earlier Prius models being one of the most environmentally unfriendly cars to produce. I can't recall the exact details, but it involved the nickel for the batteries being mined in South Africa, the ore shipped to a smelter in Spain, then halfway around the world to be formed into sheets, then the sheets shipped to Canada to be made into batteries, which were shipped to Japan and put into cars that were shipped back to North America. That's a LOT of miles to be covered, powered by petroleum. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 12:45:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9141E42E7A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D3842D54 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 85B081C0001B9; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mta002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.133]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 542FEE000083; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:22:18 -0400 (EDT) To: dmitchel@sbcglobal.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365013339; bh=CEOyZi3kgb1dWWyHironHZ4Tk7DzqHSQeZqMfEs7OSQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vOws4RKqaMliwQ4zO9Pwh6wSDx9+I9YQEy91rvdVuothffYfJmMnKLvSWozmhu/5h wmIdnlsSTBxCA2BZhAedw2mtokcKqHZVEh51JN4YxrNIsoYUxp7j4BhppT3XW8PJQ8 vwE1qvgbJRE5mfvL2mSGF/x5DV9i2Gf6tTxpnar0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c515c735b47af Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 04/03/2013 11:54:33 AM Central Standard Time, dmitchel@sbcglobal.net writes: > When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' > than any electric or hybrid vehicle. > You mean...British Racing Green? Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 15:44:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FF242F2F for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16E442EDF for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 01E401C0000F6 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mte002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.69]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C5B57E000089 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: billdentin@aol.com Received: from 70.194.136.209 by webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.154) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:24:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365024276; bh=gMFb7xnMgOjobjBSWhoyZ6gNIcpS2hYd7+YrUBpV5i8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GtE7DWHoxJ1uvZ6iKPg/PO46q9fcUtCMy6zvp4GDnoStCiDkyzJ7aIs98lhQkASCQ hnOGSb2XCxekgmKGheksn/QVxcdeEg+7VXMIqFg/r3kcLrn6/TwRF/tuRcq99f/Oen VNXcUhl8zxG4GuzipupqFKbBWDk40qtDroXGnraA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e515c9e1467d9 Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... More sad news. Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in February) broke loose from its Alabama mooring. I still say we should initiate a movement to get Carnival to change the ship's name. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 16:30:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA51D42FE4 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA5D42F97 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A8BA4CE900FC; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:10:02 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:10:02 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4wtBXm8yDhquxLT4aiUB8KfXRXnQAA4kcQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :) At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Amici... More sad news. Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in February) broke loose from its Alabama mooring. I still say we should initiate a movement to get Carnival to change the ship's name. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 16:48:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694B943053 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0968C42F97 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so924943qcq.0 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to:x-gm-message-state; bh=NWTUSBpW1htTPmuc8svHG4PMDMryThls5YgYWGIqIlc=; b=ej2ROSmIG8GZPNkZa8pmY1yfun4or/DbiGp/UlT2nVHpE/6HDqy3O/Mv5qsNBzgQLI H1t+QdWZGIltywgt0ahr43oHYFMLQCKvKfhL/UyvAQnZtvMZl/Z5ZkLcdxorlwtBqtJV 5AH+G5XcsEAo5lXz6BVWG/Prm819OFiUHK6cYV2AdSFAOdAKTt1tsExyRiTV2c5eAQOS mIr+eblmRbkGBxjq0NlFpvEoTCsn1iYuDenWNvmUihyctMth6rKyvFqZt5sHXT8BFHAB OGCat493rXlTPaK0N2wkRgfG7taaBXQeSfH7+6dni7vJDHBhqzb9K4SMAOWbq02qT4YY rfOQ== m4mr3066151qak.67.1365027767228; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.36] (static-64-22-40-119.albyny.csvoip.net. [64.22.40.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bt19sm8883984qab.0.2013.04.03.15.22.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> From: Bob Bownes -Seiri Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:22:44 -0400 To: "billdentin@aol.com" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A friend of mine's father was asked to inspect the boat post incident. The stories are pretty amazing. Engine #1 apparently blew the glow plugs right out of the head, which, when followed by lots of volatiles, lead to a pretty spectacular fire. On Apr 3, 2013, at 17:24, billdentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > More sad news. Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in > February) > broke loose from its Alabama mooring. I still say we should initiate a > movement > to get Carnival to change the ship's name. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 17:03:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B0E4307B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7D942FD1 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39804A07E8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:29 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <8CFFEC8C6E25EBE-2078-5D39@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> <000501ce30b7$fe1042b0$fa30c810$@com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tim Murphy wrote: > To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :) > MG would be pretty easy to spell ;-) mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 17:17:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C224B4308C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1960643006 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b4.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.104]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r33Jt9kD011956 for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:54:58 GMT Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:54:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled up w 8 gallons gas. With another car I would have filled at least every ten days. I have a solar panel array. This past weekend I made about about 56KW per day. As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW. The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth. I. Want to hot rod it and take it on the track. Does scca have an all electric class? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 22:23:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD04A42934 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8538C4032C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id bg2so1244289pad.23 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:03:37 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=wGle11HqEfXEpoABX9nMUMc6cpV/NRUdJzdndiUr0U0=; b=EMRFcr4G8VrIXoJDHF8f9dq1bP8t8c+WjfKA9UtOUrPno1KKKV+2JUJpxfdCQ/aW9B uPFFMZtYtXVzcG9/lzBMeK3qwqL9zqGNlLP/rlmvbcsS+0Ye4yAjwEU7AbdwN9403AaO wDtF810HFqohzh5W14cSytPX19IYXFFYZUKpp5w+CqDszyDpY9JR9390uyhgJAjvRPYE V+XgQ1aRr2GRjQNql5QZqcME6kTrsO/mUSUFar/8kvaowAL7VAVdicW3wGqnhbHegxAr KA5CgHYM0TUIRl/TEIIOzIvqVZeJ3npYnenMspDc8N9upuZey4e8xGmxUmAaBspmH/LP 3mwQ== qf10mr6440948pbb.80.1365048217380; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lb8sm9594340pab.13.2013.04.03.21.03.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:03:33 -1000 References: <883350473-1365029698-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1485343904-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> To: gasket.works@gte.net Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I consider the Chevy Volt to be the best engineered and most practical of all the electrics. The technology is superb, it's a real achievement. On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:54 PM, gasket.works@gte.net wrote: > I leased a chevy volt in dec 2012.. Three year deal. Since dec 10 I filled up w 8 gallons gas. With another car I would have filled at least every ten days. I have a solar panel array. This past weekend I made about about 56KW per day. As the days get longer the array generates perhaps 70+KW. > > The car is nearly noisless, gobs of instant torque and smooth. I. Want to hot rod it and take it on the track. Does scca have an all electric class? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 02:28:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB969427EE for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 02:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041FF42571 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 02:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id wz12so1299311pbc.31 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:57:48 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=2/1j43zWuGE32x/QklyxFI66acD1icumchPStac03RY=; b=Hh8vNwagc8F5mB2W2S54sTHbASzywY5QNvGmnUnAueMMsGqiekRsOp4UHQRCQ5sJ5L exkXKz1sYVshEkRI+6sfc/bf1PZ/N89xCi0rip5jVMUyk/V5cZaZB0h46/P71uGuzpTc b0xcpKa7mSrRg7zA+Ej66D86GWvI6vHr0vfsDUVAYBuTXRBuOuEFn9WceJBmyp31F5Tb V/acMr2neQ8RsxE0fIoPDU3QQahuSXUX4p/Vxdz+VIaVYn4uEyi9pe0vNhWNQioldlx/ qgVuqpT2hl5dxWFtkpJ3wNrtGohn5UOYqfhLe2JLLU2ISznFbCCpNOFd8AkN30rSTSe8 TYRg== pa1mr8044761pac.140.1365062267872; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.45] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xl10sm10427865pac.15.2013.04.04.00.57.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:57:43 -1000 References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com> <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com> <65C90AB5-71C9-46DD-87FA-F1D58E206FDA@bnj.com> To: Tim Murphy , "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One last comment and then I'll quit. the REAL issue holding back cheap, efficient, "green" transportation is the mixed mode of transport. for a car to be safe it has to survive on a road with trucks and existing two ton cars -- which is the average weight of cars in America, from the 3,200 pound Honda Accord (most popular car) to the 5500 pound F150. There's no way to be super efficient when you have to move two tons to carry one person--which is all the average car has in it (well, 1.24 occupants, but its close enough). One ton per person is ridiculous, especially when you have to climb hills, two is insane. Should be something more like two hundred pounds per person. Easy to do with carbon fiber and modern electric stuff. My tricycle weighs 65 pounds and goes 65 MPH. Stops on a dime and gives you seven cents change. Of course you have to be crazy to do that in mixed traffic, which is pretty much what the cops have been telling me each time they catch me. Next time you're stuck in traffic, picture all those massive cars replaced with tiny, light, two person vehicles. Poof, traffic jam gone. Except in Italy, where it's already happened but the roads were built for bicycles--or maybe scooters. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 03:47:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005BF42838 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 03:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D69427C9 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 03:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r349CXBC007915 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:12:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home page: http://www.bmr-scca.org/ That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car... Neat! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 08:58:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F46143C9A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432E043A2D for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU403-EAS240 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:39:12 -0700 From: Rich Rock Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:39:16 -0400 To: "fot@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[2CCB3300:01CE3142] Subject: Re: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, that is Richard Good's car. We do a poster every year advertising our two hillclimbs. It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge. Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in June? Entry forms will be out soon. Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang Sent: 4/4/2013 5:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo Hi, I'm not sure if this got posted earlier, but I tripped across this neat poster of the 2012 Pagoda Hillclimb... it's on the bottom of the BMR home page: http://www.bmr-scca.org/ That sure looks a lot like Richard Good's hillclimb car... Neat! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:21:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0CA44248 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288C5439A6 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r34FM08i008736; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:22:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Rich Rock References: Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Blue Ridge Mountain Promo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 4 Apr 2013, Rich Rock wrote: > Yes, that is Richard Good's car. We do a poster every year advertising our > two hillclimbs. It's Blue Mountain Region SCCA, not Blue Ridge. OOps. > Bob, are you still planning on coming to Pagoda Hillclimb in June? Entry > forms will be out soon. I'm leaning that way. I finally got my medical forms all squared away and will get the application in the mail tomorrow for the SCCA novice time-trial license. So things are looking up. There's an outside chance that I won't be able to make it, but at this stage it's actually a fairly remote chance. Selling a house is a lot of work! > Rich Rock rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:42:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA364432B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CA042D0A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130403182855.WCAR10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id KWUv1l00B0zbdDt05WUv4w; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 a=9okyDgZqp55Pkq91s0rumA==:17 a=GcBDC4MYXWAA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=nw8EqGbtv3sA:10 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=zGa55fTChgCGt33vzYAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=NbPAzfHhC6bWDeWn:21 a=ojdTOja7A065bmyO:21 a=9okyDgZqp55Pkq91s0rumA==:117 Received: from [71.10.64.126] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: Doug Mitchell User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Randall , Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's been said that the carbon footprint of building/buying a new car is about equal to driving it the average 7 years. Soooo-stop waste "Recycle old race cars" John Hagen On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > It has been said that an F150 is more green cradle to grave than a > Prius when you include battery disposal. > > Full disclosure, I just took delivery of a hybrid, but it shares the > garage with a F150. The Triumphs reside in a separate garage. > > When you think about it, our Triumphs are, at this time, more 'green' > than any electric or hybrid vehicle. > > Cheers, > > Doug > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > > Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com wrote: > >> You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power >> plants, >> hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in >> a >> landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" >> vehicles and >> oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and >> power....maybe not in my lifetime but. >> >> I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy >> was >> backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about >> clipped me. >> Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> >> On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>> ---- RACER BUD wrote: >>>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >>>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes >>>> of the >>>> car? >>> >>> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery >>> for his >> 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I >> suspect >> means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a >> Prius has a >> relatively small battery, it's just a data point). >>> >>> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it >>> gets >> scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. >>> >>> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility >>> is in >> Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, >> but it >> doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so >> cheap that it >> doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric >> cars gain >> more acceptance. >>> >>> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal >>> combustion. >> There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting >> and so >> on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to >> claim. >> They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of >> the >> pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:43:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A64643A6A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (mail-pb0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD6C42E05 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id mc8so1040312pbc.25 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=dE5VBaY0JA6TMa/G017amNW3+JukN9uoLVBqzZWCCA8=; b=TqSi1XDCckuFAO7xzOppIV1r2GOyWK64AM8FSPJoMpIrX8B0BbEFSafKPU+8iv/ZYB 7Ob0a/8B0W3uW8/B5pjlp2YRl+z6Q9h4E2ChJ+7Cb/sBRAKKF3xK4sgGetl67GSBeHdC tULbcuo9L3hBn3/xk5hchzuBeisRwvlSuCnNkCjc1IfElHKgIxKnDKOpIZsa7vydZ5D3 l0OXDiLCNP9zzx/yyZvWr82ta5ooZmpMcA6gjd7sxcg8jyD7yFhqkxp0NWI14unmdvG3 qc/G+IxhCHn9bF57LMulW2ngxfcbm4qnGoV863V6Wg71mSEgCmNtg1p8NMX+Tgh/+v1d NP0g== wo1mr4777697pbc.62.1365021188935; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yz4sm2201786pbc.11.2013.04.03.13.33.06 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:33:04 -1000 References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com> <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com> To: Tim Murphy , "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yup. Numerous ways of making hydrogen, but all involve either natural gas or methane as a feedstock plus steam to feed the reaction, or hydrolysis, using electricity. It's just a transportable storage medium, the same as electricity in batteries. And of course it takes more energy to produce it than it releases when you recombine it. Trust good old themodynamics to apply a tax. Transportable fuels require a lot of energy to make and transport, including gasolene and diesel. A common error is to just look at how much energy is required to obtain and refine the fuel. It also takes energy to build and maintain the refineries, and build, operate and maintain the transportation structure to and from the refineries, build, maintain and operate the gas stations. Seven percent of the energy in the US is used to operate refineries. Crank that up to include all the infrastructure and transport costs and it's probably more like ten percent. That works out to about 15KWH per gallon. Gasolene energy equivalence is roughly 33 KWH/gallon Ethanol generates about 25 KWH/gal. Ethanol gets a bad rap, mostly because the early plants (1980) were inefficient. State of the art plants for corn-based ethanol are nearly twice as efficient as early plants, and create co-products that have value as feed, fertilizer, and plastic feedstock. An energy output of around 84,000 BTUs/gallon requires 48,000BTUs/gal to produce and the co-products are worth about 36,000 BTUs for a net energy gain of about 72,000 BTUs -- about 150%. That calculation includes all energy inputs, including bulk transport, fertilizer, etc. but does not include the infrastructure energy costs required to build refineries. Of course corn used for ethanol starves a kid in india, so they say. That arguement didn't work for me when my Mom told me to clean my plate. It remains a bit thin today. Ultimately there's cellulosic ethanol, and if the ethanol market keeps growing we'll be making that too. The yield is higher in terms of energy in/energy out, but the infrastructure is more expensive. No one is jumping on that. The co-products from cellulosic ethanol are more valuable than corn-based. Good plastic feedstocks, surfactants, building materials, specialized alchohols, etc. Again, no easy answers, but facile statements like "ethanol takes more energy to produce than it yields" is simply repeating what some flack got some lazy reporters to publish. On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:23 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Hydrogen has to be produced also. You can either extract it from the air or > strip it off of water molecules. Both processes take energy, and if I > recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM > To: Randall > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars > > You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants, > hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a > landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles > and > oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and > power....maybe not in my lifetime but. > > I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was > backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped > me. > Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > >> ---- RACER BUD wrote: >>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of > the >>> car? >> >> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for > his > 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect > means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has > a > relatively small battery, it's just a data point). >> >> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets > scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. >> >> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in > Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it > doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that > it > doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain > more acceptance. >> >> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal > combustion. > There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so > on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. > They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the > pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:43:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25159443C6 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5BD43006 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KV0j1l00D16AWCUA1afd3X; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:39:37 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Kafd1l00F2yr1eL8Safdwz; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:39:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:39:37 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Tim Murphy (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1365028777; bh=1Ll+zuWQNdsjsh51V78VxV+0a3D+Rj4HhNXU+yR6z3Q=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b8PJr5/yVntAr/g3mdLMp0xtDXcekkXs6BGrGtfttG62CqsTT2dcNv5hpxJysX9n4 b8fXGLJL4fMk0FPkJ0jwX0J3z4CPJn/5i10hFll/Uy4Phz57NAtmAN4aA9fSXUATbP La92CrDDBqyXgq9ghExWV3Ij6CyUtmODy+viDm0m0aQ778lw1NN7v99WZLLe9KE1ND BFx3HT7cWM8kgIO6RVNkL9A/YXE2l0vykQ+2xfZBZRkYQ0HRxNYfx/HcWvgmSBuRfg XaPeBXQy1NR/g9N+GfD+7lVjAxDUV8Ctkw33NporStWukqRznVmSIJ5VRH2GwoIHUq huFYMkfEqEVQw== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With a couple well placed shaped charges we could call it ......Carnival Reef. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: billdentin@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... To what; FIAT, YUGO, or maybe TRABANT?? :) At least with TRABANT they could reuse some of the lettering. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Probably the Cruise Control went out again... Amici... More sad news. B Carnival's ms TRIUMPH (the ship that caught fire back in February) broke loose from its Alabama mooring. B I still say we should initiate a movement to get Carnival to change the ship's name. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:44:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4A5442AE for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9341A4289C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKP0012US7T6N00@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 23:52:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mike Moore" , "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" References: <000d01ce3051$6bfbee80$43f3cb80$@net> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP too Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll be there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'marty sukey'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] PVGP too >I will be going, it's a VRG event > > Thanks > Mike 62 TR4 > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 2007 West 32nd Street > Erie, PA 16508 > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:15 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] PVGP too > > I am planning on attending the PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) the July 13th > weekend. > Anybody else going to be there? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@wave1.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:09:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB73E42AE2 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F2B403A0 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=nw8EqGbtv3sA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=rxQRjltyAAAA:20 a=8H2Lt-OnAAAA:8 a=jYK5GoQOxtFBoBjep7sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=r-Dt2FnSAcMA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:60734] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id CC/53-04559-A66DD515; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:37:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:37:14 +0000 From: Randall To: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Bill Babcock wrote: > Seven percent of the > energy in the US is used to operate refineries. I think there is something wrong with that number. Refineries are powered primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity. For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used approx 48E12 wH in 2005. But our national consumption for 2005 was around 3800E12. So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline & diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity. And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline. The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics. It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there isn't any left to pump out. None of the "alternative" sources make much sense until we finally do run out of fossil fuels. Of course, that particular sky has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't happened yet. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:44:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53BF40EBD for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from brightmail-internal4.sri.com (brightmail-internal4.SRI.COM [128.18.84.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6679D42AD8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from exchange-hub02.SRI.COM (exchange-hub02.SRI.COM [128.18.23.154]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by brightmail-internal4.sri.com (SRI Internal SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id 8B.D5.28410.C10ED515; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.18.13.142] (128.18.13.142) by smtp.sri.com (128.18.23.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.298.4; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:18:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700 From: Cregg Cowan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" xc7Tl5gcmD12/Z7B7jH58RxGj4YPq5gDmKO4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mu4vesdS8JW1Yt3vc8wN jI9Yuhg5OSQETCTOrTzKBmGLSVy4tx7I5uIQEtjJJHF56wImCGcho8Sl38vZQap4BdQk5jUe ButmEVCRuDb1OROIzSagLvHi3UJmEFtUIEpi74bLzBD1ghInZz4BqxcRMJXY/bqPEcQWBrL/ v+sBq2EWsJW4MOc6C4QtL7H97RywuJCAgsS27ycZJzDyzUIyahaSlllIWhYwMq9ilEkqykzP KMlNzMzRhYWdiV5xUaZecn7uJkZwKIa07mBcscfwEKMAB6MSD29WX2ygEGtiWXFl7iFGCQ5m JRFep71AId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTiQ4zSHCxK4rzfzPn9hQTSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLJMHJxSDYxd M4T5fS6tXSzUvDNXjG/WVPOtH1eGXHj2cnZN6L6tJ5Yd2BDU9s6C+c59wVPHe7lTpdbK6cdF 1D3sqdq3/WHVRofTYZP2TvrO4/LpuTRf+X6PVP6Q6zmM969tXv/XscurrfRGmGbBlPBor92z RJI3nO1Y8nf2vYkKHtcqakQKrKrZrcUF1eKVWIozEg21mIuKEwHeJYzkQQIAAA== Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts, In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/). The event is located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco. Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for display (both new photos and vintage ones). If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let us display them during the convention we would be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution. We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or larger formats. Thanks! Cregg Cowan Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:12:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9CD42F69 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s34.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s34.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0C7424D8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W33 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:46:19 -0700 From: Charles WATSON To: Cregg Cowan , FOT List Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:46:19 -0400 References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com> FILETIME=[75F10EF0:01CE3175] Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Cregg - I have tons of GT6 and Le Mans Spitfire pics that I can forward. Let me know if you prefer color or B&W or what. Anyone else who wants to be copied, let me know.... Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:19:18 -0700 > From: cregg.cowan@sri.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old > > Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts, > > In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the > combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention > in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/). The event is > located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco. > > Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for > display (both new photos and vintage ones). > If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing to let > us display them during the convention we would > be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your contribution. > We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to 11x17 or > larger formats. > > Thanks! > > Cregg Cowan > Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:12:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224CC429FD for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674DB40E1D for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id wm15so431564obc.5 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:52:11 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=CgbeJ4s/u1Irv5eMuijCYLFX/F8uZ/4D7rWxf5lQJbk=; b=NhSFmsgTrb0ja3gq4ymzWEGpk1csVprp2fjUI5qk1vnvrY8PbnKRMmv/lymKz66Cjt 4LDXPeLerWwzZDx/k8ffLDEUBgRsKCqJuGaJbR57YPs2QdTKB/mNhmDPOskBZqHQnB7y uRvpvWTiQy9lHtdQtrnEjFeddsURPzW0eDl54nKeLKpKmYkaRh81szyTuPPKY/XNB+po UC/CYJaPM3MCCb2jqGCVeM2f1rzbK6f7Fh5RlQFk+ILZvKiNhtH8NGSU2PRqMwL00Q6s l3iJJYS1QVstyjLFGiyiiRUCQthkvodZahz/Dpm4ydhXqAoaqB2EIDhBiTG6FviNGjvu JJhA== l9mr5821366oeg.17.1365108731721; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Quad3400 (cpe-67-240-51-24.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.240.51.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a10sm8879585oez.1.2013.04.04.13.52.09 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Cregg Cowan'" , References: <515DE046.3070401@sri.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:52:06 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4xdNA9OML1NBaOSNypZJQCThQbDwAASEgg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Check out my website, www.botchagaloop.net and see if you can find anything you like. If you want the 300dpi version send me the complete name(s) of the photo(s) which is displayed. Without that name I cannot dig the higher res copy out... Give yourself a few days to peruse! Clark Clark W. Nicholls www.botchagaloop.net for old racing photos "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:26:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5497843123 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C773642B54 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id xa7so1640232pbc.27 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:09:01 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=BUXrZY7J/XaNjVsHb9Vnal7YJUHyhfV0DrlvfBRGbV4=; b=0L7HGxVxql1iIMjyvSNVJYtznp1wjm0Z7QPw+xDuqhORlcf+N94L4jPXXVX4DiE8kt 31wcNKPCbQjNT6kBgLBbJlzLrdtL+OL0+Ujbi1u4CsHkfhIBo5btXQYLR216iaUFLOTD i0IBW5wmVasurVvjp8S0ZJCvff3wZmY2aJtpVrzFeYcFpRAfHYzp4gnShM8o5af50/sm E4aRqPNnIs3svt2WTVE4IEMjXzx0UJGm0Y1HNaEzYI58N4PztbPZRVgj/nu4KnK/C5xf bHbqtVa7RoJc4NIoOca3nu8Hi7xgMRfeXPLqeP3wj1qTq6vEEX3d4Z4+9TVOYSjXD0yu mLYQ== ip1mr10926237pbc.72.1365109740908; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id is1sm11505997pbc.15.2013.04.04.14.08.58 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:08:57 -1000 References: <20130404193714.L5ZZ4.60397.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> To: Randall Cc: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The generally used rule of thumb for energy required to make gasolene is 13KWH per gallon from all sources of energy required. That's a long way from 400 watt hours, which sounds kind of silly right up front. I don't recall the source of the 7% number. I was pulling it from memory, and I think it includes all energy used in refineries, not just electricity. There's a billion sources on the web, but there's a lot of information gathered at this site, a strongly slanted view, but the sources cited are reasonable and the guys conclusions are both rational and interesting: http://www.evnut.com/gasoline_oil.htm On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Randall wrote: > ---- Bill Babcock wrote: >> Seven percent of the >> energy in the US is used to operate refineries. > > I think there is something wrong with that number. Refineries are powered primarily by electricity, and they just don't use that much electricity. > > For example, http://goo.gl/Ag0dy reports that the US petroleum industry used approx 48E12 wH in 2005. But our national consumption for 2005 was around 3800E12. So oil refineries (which produce much more than just gasoline & diesel) only used about 1% of the electricity. > > And gasoline production (only) for 2005 was about 130E9 gallons > http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=wgfrpus2&f=w > meaning it took less than 400 wH per gallon of gasoline. > > The only way I think you could get close to 7% is by counting petroleum that they take in and don't turn into energy sources; like asphalt and plastics. > > It's really hard to beat pumping energy out of the ground ... until there isn't any left to pump out. None of the "alternative" sources make much sense until we finally do run out of fossil fuels. Of course, that particular sky has been reported to be falling for several decades now, but it hasn't happened yet. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:57:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7817C431AE for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:57:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898E3403F2 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 21:25:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.62] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 21:25:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2013 21:25:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365110749; bh=Bz+b8z4opwi8Cr9Au7qulGcyALGKmkMcpT1G3ziu2oI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4lrbVePEtu2zyK5yDRDNH2JlM+rr/A6Mpe13qCP6DRmtdN3X3+599aEptbFXyL8CsGocBNAApfEWtOzDupTx7BKWMcGWMjonMQfcc0BKgwr1/3YGqy6WEmcLiGhNksbZYtyak+DhHxlPBUJlJrF6VEA8xiUJhPMd9sK2ygCJ3vU= truC9CwyCfJqQrnaaF9wYl13sW59jTZdUbJwNdHNkfVydd1zf79HN..lDuw7 hoT04u2ytcOSsmUmUbQLt.tdYg.464wgPBjfmJ_cq.CEu9SKmHLE5acjTbtH onaMvm4ZrxFUbP9A8QRaZN6k9xnPX1isCoqHI_0oS2Thzpkl.xltgkWzfV2L E4RJudNIq0SXUEKlghuppY6zP0XDfQUogxBo85RjW8Ju9IBpNwtbxyatT1C. nm.CgQlT2XoWJMaO0ct1F9qh93ZUIC6.Wje64cHiHTr31GCDzCAJ0twx7wts Gu8yZjPnXDFelid_A1jjw5ZfT9HjiLuEJ7cVtalvDTd2OdhVp345u_tdqVim FvBVnbciQDQuTgla33h3ddatlJhgGIpRtcs92Ff_awvZCs.FM5GXVy6kd_0_ Iyih7._ge41vc9st4rIbHUYGtEolbIPKb plain) by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Apr 2013 14:25:49 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:25:55 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one photo sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well as video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 16:13:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C10C43269 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4436743376 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170033pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MKR00IS73JS9F41@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:55:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 130.76.64.118 ([130.76.64.118]) by vms170033 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:55:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:55:04 -0500 (CDT) From: koblinger@verizon.net To: cregg.cowan@sri.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 16:42:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8792142EC0 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F0E4310F for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9F1031C0000B3; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.197]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 68F00E000088; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT) References: To: dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365113675; bh=4+BfoujlFo2ftkvWW8UcdrB61QvQ1COdSruMZtEGnd8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K7DydXtEjHDF1hxUtAFu2lkDp+uBEPNLHh69Kdh2P03d2RVj6pIDzYN8MNYfSgGfr YItR52HAZdxyMh5WGiY21V095SK/ncHbuoZBBL0CPr+8hmZSk9p8+Q33QXEKgHs2vR 4+BXajSafLJUKWdtORmNLnMJT939ZR/rp3D2Bj5g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b515dfb4b66a2 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old now FOT WEBSITE. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We have a FRIEND'S OF TRIUMPH website, but we are looking for someone to maintain it. Mordy DUNST is the 'sponsor' of the site. Henry FRYE is the 'webmaster' of the site. I believe we are presently looking for someone support Henry with edited material and submissions, along with manipulating the material. Perhaps Mordy and Henry can elaborate on this, more, but if anyone has any skills in this arena, please speak up. Thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell Cc: Fot Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any preference for one photo sharing site over another? I have many old photos that I am scanning, as well as video clips that I would like to put on a sharing site for others to see. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 18:16:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B4F44233 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECBF40355 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 862991C0000AF for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.197]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3F468E000081 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365119652; bh=SPVJXCZLhd2Opy+VDHW8ebNAwBnbAuuvEBLDqpLc38k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yG2hwon3s2SS/BRTruJBe5sVx7YhfMBuN4JRiDBg8Tbnh1iyrcdK736JtgmO9Ti0M FblBIs7vD6BO0DpL9aSgRGK+oKCOY9HZsTDehzW9VPgfXLrp1Zp1nrlJGEou4/3Umr WjZum1OTWHfezxq9XLgCmCUP5kdbRoV7GD+AV6/U= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca515e12a47f8e Subject: [Fot] ELECTRIC CARS > ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Another dimension of electric travel......While we are at it. Last year, I stopped to see legendary sailplane designer, George Applebay, just outside Albuquerque, NM. In his mid-80s, he is adapting electric power assist to one of his sailplane designs. Shortly, there will a conference in Santa Rosa, California on electric powered flight. A European aircraft manufacturer just completed the first of two 30 minute flights. Good to see this stuff going on, regardless of the outcomes. You never know where it might lead. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 18:31:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C22442A4 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A2243A21 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20F8A0CFE for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:07:16 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <8CFFF98ECAE3DC6-1374-FC6E@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old now FOT WEBSITE. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One can go to the Team.Net forum [ link below ] and use the Triumph forum for pics and such. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 19:01:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6FB4451A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBD542D85 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E168E1C00007F for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.151.79.35] (unknown [166.137.83.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 882FBE000108 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Bock Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:34 -0400 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365122198; bh=QX/fgYuDjbGoG5bSXpfClAlz8+RXGG5lp8me5c+iVRc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=N+03Yce79Gml8RV+YKoLjpHH2LMUPpnNLbjvTijo929vz4W4pFK5EDOCP0dQQAao3 oozcMLbuQ8s9P5aHDpOgyGI7YJ/anCRqWKymyzd42r/gGZ/lKmi5NeS6GRYW8wpEX6 q72z602/Dg0lSgPxLSnyFHDHr53ELNUDANsySQVQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3384515e1c9633bd Subject: [Fot] Crank case ventin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici I know there was a topic about crankcase venting and a link to a website. I searched the archives and can't find it. Please help _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 23:35:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B46F448C7 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:35:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from brightmail-internal3.sri.com (brightmail-internal3.SRI.COM [128.18.84.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5042444812 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from exchange-hub01.SRI.COM (exchange-hub01.SRI.COM [128.18.23.153]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by brightmail-internal3.sri.com (SRI Internal SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id 26.98.28384.2CD5E515; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.20.10] (64.9.232.185) by smtp.sri.com (128.18.23.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.298.4; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:14:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:13:54 -0700 From: Cregg Cowan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) To: , References: <68f60.633e14d5.3e8f6672@aol.com> xc7Tl5gsvs47zOzA4nF/90p2j12/Z7B7TH48h9Gj4cMq5gCWKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6M/wdu sBY0aFd0TF3A2MB4U7mLkZNDQsBEYs6HBewQtpjEhXvr2boYuTiEBHYySXx40scM4SxglGjd M48FpIpXQE2i6c1KZhCbRUBF4tuPJrA4m4C6xIt3C8HiogJGEp8eLWCGqBeUODnzCViNiICm xM7Xe8DiwgL2Ei2T77OC2EICuhItFxeC2ZwCehL3309lBLGZBcIkZt++ygZRoyCx7ftJxgmM /LOQjJ2FpAzCtpW4MOc6VFxeYvvbOcwQtq7Ehf9TUMQXMLKtYpRJKspMzyjJTczM0YWFurFe cVGmXnJ+7iZGcPiHtOxgXLHL8BCjAAejEg+v5WmVACHWxLLiytxDjBIczEoivDv54gKFeFMS K6tSi/Lji0pzUosPMUpzsCiJ84YZ8/sLCaQnlqRmp6YWpBbBZJk4OKUaGCdeDDpYWtDLoPc6 5WTQjO1/XcVF3MLdNOxW7EiMauuVr7qaeiXUbI/QXfGDzisex8zaIOXP6erz7Y4db/WsXM6L l20ffXx2mq/uwg2reMYfr/Qe16nGTI6y9X/GUr95+vVqg81pdjNdFrC+ejDH/tAMno/Mm2/G rFv3R+htt8cCe/tjv1aan1RiKc5INNRiLipOBAAGTwCkewIAAA== Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone for the enthusiastic response --- I'm thrilled and a little bit overwhelmed. It will take a few days to digest all of the responses, but I will get back to each of you as soon as I can. Certainly digital scans are the easiest to handle, but I'm not opposed to the idea of borrowing prints, making copies and sending back the originals. What a group! Best Regards, Cregg REK46@aol.com wrote: > wher do we send them, and can they be scans or computer photos or do > they have to be actual glossys? > > In a message dated 4/4/2013 4:41:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > cregg.cowan@sri.com writes: > > Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts, > > In addition to all the other fun I'm having, I am co-chair of the > combined 2013 Triumphest and VTR National Convention > in October 2013 (see http://www.triumphtravelers.org/). The event is > located near Sears Point raceway, just north of San Francisco. > > Our event theme is "Triumph Racing" and we need racing photos for > display (both new photos and vintage ones). > If you have photos showing Triumph race cars and would be willing > to let > us display them during the convention we would > be most appreciative, and would be happy to acknowledge your > contribution. > We especially need photos with enough resolution to enlarge to > 11x17 or > larger formats. > > Thanks! > > Cregg Cowan > Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 5 10:49:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBA144AC3 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E808644A88 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F37EA1C00010F for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.151.79.35] (unknown [166.137.83.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8A5E2E0000AB for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Bock Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:15:58 -0400 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365178562; bh=hbhOZIVDy0cvasXVzBdonCS8uzzRed0oFZZiA+PV+Bg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=kMtfytoHBmIftTojQAg9WoqyhPOFoP6QePDPkRkcLbXeS8hIEPq6PsrQLNk5dxaRP hmeAJmB8hcRYAGkIlj6nM8r6N+piNJMS1I8DxHghmPfJ/H3W9pbPsq7KIZWPKVrcIN 1R4rGjRnFVNjg+pp2cj4Dk2KNylRqNcPtuQygVQc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c4515ef8c26226 Subject: [Fot] Crank case venting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici Thank you for all the replies. I now have what I was looking for. This list is awesome! Thanks you all Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 5 10:50:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504A144B7B for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A967344A88 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA722380000F6 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.151.79.35] (unknown [166.137.83.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 21637E0000FF for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Bock Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:14 -0400 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365178880; bh=Jh3+X/yD0KIqRVCIhWpbXc5U2Xm/AsVCaa/9WyrM0Ew=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=paGs5P/7b1HCs5JGUZTfPErhq9JhrPV19/PHkjynmImMNbtfpCnM3HiTB0eE32wsE pCaXfz7wjtpkgLKSbP3Y4WfEa+5uJKaTix3vpBlq25+kqeYVTmf0wGC3ABiNdN5Xo4 XwyKv5Cx5OZ5TNbafgjFrtt8Kze365gDqJLaW3W8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3382515efa001dba Subject: [Fot] Badges and flags Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici The Kastner Cup is approaching. Do you have your swag on? Flags $15 size is approx 23x34, printed on one side, grommets also. Grill badge $30, real gold, mounting hardware included. Both show the FOT crest as seen in the website. Pictures are available. Price includes shipping. Get them while they last. PayPal to SeaCubeCo@aol.com Or check, MO, cash to Chris Bock 19372 Handy Road Bridgeville, DE 19933 Sincerely Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 5 12:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C670644BD7 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6327144B88 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:44:22 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=9XeMHYk69DoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9oz8xEgFb5oA:10 a=Y4smDxfCAAAA:8 a=IPI7n498b-ZCnqetUuUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5D/7B-04559-2CC0F515; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:41:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Doug Mitchell'" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:41:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4xfxCiRtakwCi8Tv6swvqlWKdGfwApDm0w Cc: 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Seeking Triumph race car photos, new and old Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > Speaking of Triumph pictures and websites, is there any > preference for one photo sharing site over another? I like Photobucket, it works better for me than the others I have tried. They make it really easy to link to a single photograph, or an entire album. Uploading is painless. Although there is a size limit unless you pay for the full service, the uploading process will automatically resize for you rather than just refuse to work. And they don't seem to mind that I have most of the ads blocked. One downside is that reorganizing your albums will break the link to anything you move; and there isn't any way (that I've found) to replace a photo without breaking the link. Also it can be a pain to get a short link to just the image instead of the entire web page (although maybe that's part of a paid subscription). http://www.photobucket.com/ -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 5 14:24:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3D042BB7 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0563442A84 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 13:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2013 19:54:01 -0000 bqhnUrs93pbRsKW2SwBe6QDsKNOaOtwonMqHH4iDTrM5fzLyo3agQ39H0kyt J2gTT_cPiYL5enzU4BZfa3Qk12g.buTHX08RyAIawE_uSY_gWcmviydjwSF2 xPnbz8X_I3m5qhjFJIkm3MEn01YYzegumcWv6li.jf.aS7TYHeRET9KniUSF .5udN2iKz1ZK6GlRvDXINa3Ul3fzzb6fXqQXw9sL5BU.3mXazQjxcvRm.N.z YDaiXWdasEl69Kdu047HAFly1V08U3Ns_s90QsjBiitThIGqZuwGcBMWw8MM Xt3goY7FUuaZ.tLpI7.DhSoPMFOog7Lrg3JxWt28KElGypZzQ2SixEWOQ_eB 9V7Ewz0V3ddbEd1bV4IGVd3F6qm_xj9FPl19wXoB1IYI1gau6FnBWqq652mM YSc7N3g3WifwcP1XUL.Z2gf6PVwEU_mHJNjvXDuvn6J7TGNh3PzabDTYypIN PkxjI9U9PqmFYvzh5nMg1wYRxwk1_oQ-- plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Apr 2013 12:54:00 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:54:12 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20130401180715.0KFNH.23579.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <4679B2B3-A083-4F87-9C0B-975A748861B6@yahoo.com> <001001ce2ff0$c34d90a0$49e8b1e0$@com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It takes as much energy to convert water to hydrogen (and oxygen) as you get back when you burn it to get H20 back, minus those good old efficiency loses. In thermodynamics there is never a free lunch. Storing hydrogen is one of the major problems, since it doesn't like to exist in liquid form and thus takes up a lot of space. Since Oklahoma is a gas producing state, there is a lot of interest in CNG, but it has the same storage problem. Nevertheless, a lot of public vehicles are being converted to CNG and a few filling stations are even showing up. Hydrogen seems like it would be very clean, but if all cars ran on it, how much would the humidity change in our cities? Would Phoenix become more like Houston? Not a happy thought. On 4/2/2013 5:23 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > Hydrogen has to be produced also. You can either extract it from the air or > strip it off of water molecules. Both processes take energy, and if I > recall correctly, not necessarily an insignificant amount. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com( > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:00 PM > To: Randall > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Electric cars > > You are correct. It takes coal fired power plants, gas fire power plants, > hydro, solar and wind to power these batteries! Then they end up in a > landfill as it doesn't pay to recycle them. But they are "green" vehicles > and > oh so manly. I am waiting for a hydrogen vehicle. Zero emissions and > power....maybe not in my lifetime but. > > I almost got hit walking in a parking lot a few months back. The guy was > backing up in his Prius and since it makes no noise, he just about clipped > me. > Had I not heard the sand under the tires, and yelled, well..... > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > >> ---- RACER BUD wrote: >>> What happens to The electric cars when the batteries are no good >>> anymore..?..and what does it cost to replace tham..or..what becomes of > the >>> car? >> They're kind of expensive to replace; buddy of mine said the battery for > his > 1st gen Prius was $7k but he convinced Toyota to cover half (which I suspect > means the wholesale price is closer to $3.5k). (Yes, I realize a Prius has > a > relatively small battery, it's just a data point). >> When the car isn't worth the price of a new or rebuilt battery, it gets > scrapped just like any other car that isn't worth repairing. >> At the moment, AFAIK the nearest Li-ion battery recycling facility is in > Canada. Toxco was supposed to open a new plant in Ohio last year, but it > doesn't seem to have happened yet. At the moment, lithium is so cheap that > it > doesn't pay to recycle it; but likely that will change if electric cars gain > more acceptance. >> Personally, I don't see full electric as ever replacing internal > combustion. > There is certainly a niche market for them, short distance commuting and so > on. But the advantages aren't nearly as great as some folks like to claim. > They aren't anywhere close to "zero pollution"; its just that most of the > pollution comes out somewhere else. NFI, YMMV, etc. >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 00:20:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4401842E62 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 00:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67E342A84 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 00:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1257A0CFE for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 00:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:06:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fun. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No power for 8 hours. Possible hardware issues due to power bumps. Computers can be fun. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 07:40:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ED142499 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 07:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE47E40E9B for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 07:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D5E11380000D0; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mte005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mte005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.236.81]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5D91DE000081; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0400 (EDT) To: mark@bradakis.com, FOT@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365255168; bh=rqNlh9Nur4pR/aY84gx+tYyVbMd5Rxdg1hS6/fEFIv8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vukfPcX7aV5nEeOIXE524i50DLx/8PAk79n8nLbmMTYKrMVjyq2xY1d6hLiw+v4x7 Icfw+iJW07hft93rCFj8+m7BlnIZ0eTDZBpDlgOxHN852Xgs7B+mCbb8uFD9OxGflt e+5qKP93/sQJ1R1Mn85QTek2F7PDpiKfm/6ZyXFk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b5160240066be Subject: Re: [Fot] Fun. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 04/06/2013 12:19:56 AM Central Standard Time, mark@bradakis.com writes: > No power for 8 hours. Possible hardware issues due to power bumps. > Computers can be fun. > > Mark... I've had no power since June 20th, 1959, but she feeds me, and she says that she loves me. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 10:41:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0ED42A0F for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 10:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f173.google.com (mail-ia0-f173.google.com [209.85.210.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180FB4299B for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 10:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h37so4030819iak.4 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:39:08 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3694y79VXEgcqzLx+VlCzRpoviFGcVwcodwsKJEK5mw=; b=syzS/S9OCyvhsA+o77HjnO1XV0c22y9jak7tWJ3/qohHiVEg003pjWYNgRNYah5/Tw hhXNSf8zpBKzB5LUCNM5Ioa6AZY9rVwYMoeL5HwU9OYpr44m9Yq1MfBDjsqOQXsLVPgk G1NMSY/7NlII6ceLpmdCOGzsxvdirdO7TjJSX8pIveO5WKfwDMwBqMgnykq+yeTJB99J W8p/D94UrDYdNovU4IWwqF8uOLd96fVM0Df3HAjiT2tZNmnQCM2ksCW1fXP0QwRta1ob 8UlDaKPGZfh7mZvZR9h9J9IU9YTwzYlH7jPT1VtMlSqDhhMwus/CU9YKH4nY7ZAUr65u mBaw== Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.134.202 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Marshall Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 12:38:27 -0400 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR8 alloy wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Someone had said they wanted the TR8 alloy wheels I had on my Spit. I've replaced them but now I can't remember who it was that wanted them. If it was someone on FOT please let me know. Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 06:36:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2439142F00 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D1E42D8B for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W84 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 7 Apr 2013 05:33:40 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:33:39 -0400 FILETIME=[226DC3E0:01CE338C] Subject: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks planning on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by far the largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record turnout. Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts on order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the back of the shirt and place an order. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 06:47:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841E843995 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E90439A3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id c41so1001279eek.3 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:46:29 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=YddfRD4LsYX6UX9zkuM49gQVzjNTYoUn8ELyqRVNJPM=; b=wyh0RtZ5YSsRPPUQ79B7VIPH2OKMSCg5DxSjBmVpP/57lZ1mFuGVcOv++Vyr0L6mBF 6Xbswqb9g3SwYQcnomtxX7JRm9rxk8if1vF1NeCuESYafvMVtN8Aci/caEPkjfqbEbrY nFaKIx9hOlR87el1Uv1WCNBPSiW7+yErDiERMRLyWaQPaXe4fc3yuTb0u83TMZGyTy7J Xl3NyAmMta3MFMn/XswsAhPNqnhvgoQcdffJM/mp6nRdZuHxf3j3rCHFlPbWaTc1eg3X br7n52u2Y0vfv4hChI8RcNcniqth7pdOwK2fpYEKHZ4xT/RjkJhKmwXlePJfeHSYtfEn 51mA== e41mr38461984eep.32.1365338788983; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([31.212.48.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bk42sm7879208eeb.3.2013.04.07.05.46.20 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" References: Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac4zjIT+rdm0m5HZQMya0qYPSGklIwAAUYSg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Marty, Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event. How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:34 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Thought you might be interested to know, as of now there are 61 folks planning on competition in the Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta. TR4 will be by far the largest car group at 26 cars. I'm pretty sure that's a record turnout. Everybody will be looking quite spiffy also as there are 100 event t-shirts on order so far. There is still plenty of time to get your name added to the back of the shirt and place an order. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 06:57:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17A54481A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48899443C0 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W118 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 7 Apr 2013 05:56:30 -0700 From: marty sukey To: MadMarx , FOT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:56:30 -0400 References: , <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com> FILETIME=[531B96E0:01CE338F] Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if you don't have it. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: tr4racing@googlemail.com > To: trmarty@hotmail.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200 > > Hi Marty, > > Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event. > How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside? > > Cheers _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 06:59:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF16B44892 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f50.google.com (mail-ee0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D911C443C0 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f50.google.com with SMTP id e53so1974558eek.9 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:58:37 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=K0ZMNqyq9N9hRKVTtmNn49wR/msGtGu8m+dIcrQvhzw=; b=btSEKpqb4vvZ22q5hF1i9hBbUYn1UMsKJfC3pzQpwG8QxYTFozBoWx77/QXNn3aulo DyrMsg8G5mYrXXeOgFJSUllatQBcVqF3lcKI6NbYUB/RZmG0RbX++0k3d1bFUO9idZNk m80dyQ1y/hocIDni6yhmeXm5uYtxPAO7h4WHRk4uP2v3XHCJJfOck1dJLF+9JSGCxs9b i+oHTtAczPd+p8Fkut577WQKhU+r9mHDm4+prwZkULLjjXAsz1/02VRN9QHPcsdBAref B3VFAZLZXbbrYOUV8ebw0xVyHzEDrl1F/9Y4nFHr01xgnctkoINuxJ9ItIKzYR99z42k mdYQ== Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([31.212.48.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm26166067eeg.8.2013.04.07.05.58.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" References: , <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:58:37 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac4zj1PTdFJLoalnQsiTAFjBFwjzVwAACrRg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I need one for myself. I'm tall and slim. No idea about the size. L or XL? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: marty sukey [mailto:trmarty@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2013 14:56 An: MadMarx; FOT Betreff: RE: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if you don't have it. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: tr4racing@googlemail.com > To: trmarty@hotmail.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200 > > Hi Marty, > > Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event. > How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside? > > Cheers > Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 06:59:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DD544A63 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1694D4499D for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W118 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 7 Apr 2013 05:58:46 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:58:46 -0400 FILETIME=[A3EEA8F0:01CE338F] Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup oops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Kastner Cup is at Road America this year. NOT Road Atlanta like I said in my earlier email. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 07:24:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6FB44BA3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E950446B1 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6FDF5380000AF; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.66.189.176] (unknown [166.137.83.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 0761DE000088; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <000001ce338d$ee731d90$cb5958b0$@com> From: Christopher Bock Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:23:51 -0400 To: marty sukey x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365341033; bh=mOPJLliSe7xqrldM8vIW6VZbNyw5Iwm8mfXqoW7p8to=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Q8PhH4M3+A7dXk1PCNNAdvsC7V+S9U3/KiZHZRJ7hqU9MTvQqzaS+7fvU1+pOR+p+ cFFnw9NKheSLasfB4TPqtr20brKMEr8hR9fq9STuZRW7zA3pquxLmK/agONZevhFOs 2Zqd1mP6ShwJogjwHhXVTXtvqRjDqHkxmttc7woU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c4516173671d6d Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like one XL shirt mailed to me Thanks Chris On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Hi Chris. I will need to know how many and what size you want. Once I place > the shirt order in July you will need to contact Ted at TSI and make > arrangements to pay him directly. I will send out an email at that time > advising everybody it is time to pay and include all Teds contact info if you > don't have it. > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: tr4racing@googlemail.com >> To: trmarty@hotmail.com; fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: AW: [Fot] 2013 Kastner Cup >> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:46:22 +0200 >> >> Hi Marty, >> >> Wouldn't beb ad to have a shirt of that event. >> How do I pay? In advance or at the trackside? >> >> Cheers > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 18:43:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E3645802 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2375945787 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W31 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:42:12 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:42:12 -0400 FILETIME=[E8EAA5F0:01CE33F1] Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires? I see them for the TR6's. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 21:51:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A1D45AF8 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC69455D9 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 03:50:15 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 03:50:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2013 03:50:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 65119 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2013 03:50:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365393015; bh=mgG9epaGSOQwr3KvphMK2i1vU44blS6Q3CdamPNUNY8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Oeh9SguUpUQ5JhCakqhYWgLujWYJ7cK36hGSGJpdYneThy59Z3zv+Bsh2eXT7QLB+3+MzS8m/u7TDjSMsz6zxjNRQSwgoWlJ3Txkbbtc5FmQMvwuX1OxTxJx0RdZDpbeTkJ5GQLUkXEcoagLcz3uFECizWzEMjxi1g4yqQ814eE= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OA1waFJjDlFrS/bAkwFegNO56ln8ZFm0snJXcVAAJdNGoJTN1g6trthx/hC5hMEIXcqssuA0li9WjraxHHfjxCiTGs6nq4U4HSmPeZoXBwDZAZk9m+yS5qAVMKM6tumPXdQdBOycCsRCwO1ss5VgUgNcGR2oBr+7JrDqlg6Byys=; m03YNmbCkWiG32mtEI.QhGpr4lgaLbbxJh3wZbw9hOYtvhS_FDr_Uhij1AgM XEEgazxaMPJPe0i3VaoSXpjBbmF_ti76kxFhxVlDDnU2txdHqvy.1vlZ55.b koAkjexBPWNpncRzbgENhUX8cwk.gy_rEKkEleCdRNe29o6D4mZ_BV.Bun9r f7RGY.RWML30XJSu4SCuunachEZnEDfB33ql.IIZzi1Ik2fuTuhClse.EHWP ZA3NTCTBdtYREUJI4X6v..7_8nsNY7Uv5BIrVRKAIxAlGPVHMhObRMPFVYiZ aCfvpVFszqsp4Iph0FVD0fS3yZaXKtWCGKvIWvsGKyErcYcDgIKV67ynJP2v wiG.MoNylT.N_DxUVMQpCpA5V373rYr16WdudjATvzR218gS435ylKSWAkG4 tzEIiEO5depz_W76aHv1piDw8PzSTDen8EowmlRsNw6_8NmviZFJjMzJi7wi p60mopdbvFUrkXNEdtE4qpY5WOu3EdCwwKjDSejlIN2BEYGiO3rZdCi.goT0 WMt_FhauMIB.ubFuy8ygp8vGmzz_ZNEftyy6rjOia8PLqEqWWOJ5RaQnUGnz D26F4BctzHYEw1u6wBNu_atct4HULR_faUFHILQSvrO4WxlGWNhZxvlyYp4O nJ7jjaRW253IuGWt2R7qn1tWb26i9sLxhg7Y.0xhv421Ovhvy7AEpeQ-- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:50:15 PDT TWFydHk6DQpBY2NvcmRpbmcgdG8gdGhlIHBhcnQgbnVtYmVycyB0aGV5IGFyZSB0aGUgc2FtZSBwYXJ0Lg0KLUVkLQ0KDQotLS0gT24gU3VuLCA0LzcvMTMsIG1hcnR5IHN1a2V5IDx0cm1hcnR5QGhvdG1haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQpGcm9tOiBtYXJ0eSBzdWtleSA8dHJtYXJ0eUBob3RtYWlsLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtGb3RdIEZyb250IFNlYWxpbmcgQmxvY2sNClRvOiAiRk9UIiA8Zm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Pg0KRGF0ZTogU3VuZGF5LCBBcHJpbCA3LCAyMDEzLCA3OjQyIFBNDQoNCg0KQXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT , marty sukey Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Sealing Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Marty: According to the part numbers they are the same part. -Ed- --- On Sun, 4/7/13, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] Front Sealing Block To: "FOT" Date: Sunday, April 7, 2013, 7:42 PM Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires? I see them for the TR6's. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 21:57:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D8845B0B for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:57:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8CC45AE3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3D8A0CFE for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 21:57:24 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: FOT References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Sealing Block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net marty sukey wrote: > Are there any sources for a steel front sealing block for the 1296 Spitfires? > Is that the 1296 or the 1296? I know the Mark 4 big journal 1296 is the same as the TR6, and I think the small journal Mark 3 motor is the same, but I'm not 100 percent positive. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 8 13:39:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572BA42D87 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f50.google.com (mail-ee0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8F42CBC for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f50.google.com with SMTP id e53so2595773eek.9 for ; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:38:55 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=K5lFHtjeNYrKhSwf59IcH6v3ItAqAF1PK5WsQjd/QUQ=; b=vaJOhV+7dLIBOF4nrthA3l3Hk1Yz3T66EKsb4/Ck9uTF/e7gV2FuO/LihwJCqhf0a/ plQ/UHrg3MVfB1KQuUUIeyWOi9uU8qu87Nq6p2/DPfeHkH3j/KO/FOrai2WhYWO1z2nx rdlRLQ7MIbxwV6uqLOM8iEo/YcHM5QkzE8qUVCfOyqwjK+7vORX4PO/E5zSGFLQVIHAn 00LJkiuZwnOhh/AVsCOCQnUSqM+KUyD36j0/svigphMafQgy4HqWudYTjuk0jQUKdhcq bHkirVNAgcUqsteU88pFfyZePTdOu+cg5zkLJoNiD/wQLgqq+PkuH0XMJkMJUkIQq7PC bFLg== i7mr52083317eev.34.1365449935288; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([46.78.36.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm33926973eeg.8.2013.04.08.12.38.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" References: <1831631226-1360162436-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1654861411-@b12.c8.bise6.blackberry> <5112C84F.3040701@bradakis.com> <002701ce0543$4905aee0$db110ca0$@com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B21D@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <000901ce054b$8cd7ebd0$a687c370$@com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B293@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <001501ce054e$241e5a40$6c5b0ec0$@com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E82B340@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:38:55 +0200 Thread-Index: AQHOBURgkr8183oFo0WV33Q3eBk/xZhuiLlQgAACtXCAAAFg8IAAAu8ggAAFqhCAXoBBAA== Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] My new tow car.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was concerned if the Hummer H3  3.5L could tow my race car up steep hills here in Europe. As this car is made regular fuel I thought I could rise power and mileage with some chip tuning. So I bought an US software and created a new spark map. Today was first test.with great result. Great torque, more top speed, and it looks very promising for a better mileage. I changed the ignition advance more to a racing style. The stock total advance was 19 degree, now it has 29 degree which I dared without a rolling road dyno test. Next few days will show what consumption the car has with 98RON. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 9 16:15:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DD242D92 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D834256A for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130409221248.ZDOV21607.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:12:48 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id MyCn1l00e4qRjhw01yCnue; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 18:12:48 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=K2-kd6NJLbEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=_aW12G9BJu4A:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=YCQnqveLAwxmatQvPRsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Dennis Culligan'" References: <000301ce3562$36855d20$a3901760$@net> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:12:55 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4yLEeO23xLCMd8SVmghr8OSEEHfwDNQiTQAANhZ4A= Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It could be that it was not cut wrong but was mislabeled. There are two different Spitfire windshields (up to 1970 and post 1970). Since the earlier ones also fit the other cars mentioned (including yours), that other one may be a later Spit windshield that has been mislabeled or placed in the wrong warehouse location. Since Moss doesn't intentionally carry any pre-1970 Spitfire parts, that may indeed be the issue. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Culligan Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:39 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] FW: Windshield from Moss - Follow up I wrote: > I bought a windshield from Moss Motors back in January 2013. It's for my TR6 >but it says it also fits TR4, Spits, GT6s, etc. Well, it doesn't fit a TR6. The glass was >cut unevenly and the passenger side is too tall. Moss is sending a replacement & >it is hoped that it will fit. Just a word of caution. The new windshield arrived and it fits just fine. No idea how the other one got cut wrong. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U PS. Someone asked if it's a Triplex - no, it's not. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 06:32:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF5F447F3 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3DB4470E for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB3EA4C092 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7p0-7QOV3moX for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0AE75A4C08B for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market. Details at www.tr4racer.com I'm running the car at VIR this weekend, and plan on the rest of my spring events with a For Sale sing on it, we'll see! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 13:21:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6C144CE6 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C508844C0F for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.13]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1FEC51C00014E; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mub002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mub002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.192.69]) by mtaomg-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D3460E000081; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:43 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365621644; bh=kqzvbujimNehVPZj2+Y2pve9A0BeR1Ad4e/QQMgEM8g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W/cUe4haF3ombqqKkNeHJbdOmhsoxhu2bx/yhzFXTygH3kvHxahIkTSGWuPf1EQz4 F1MHESyMs9J9F6EbceD+iv9oOzbhzGxiTb6cINH6edr6VWQFkIUePQxZR8z0qvkxDf xvjVFUFI+LVIU35TAfCz1k9FSKGCFcTn8RvWV614= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290d5165bb8b4765 Cc: bdischer@blakedischer.com Subject: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT Just a note indicating the depth of planning: VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER CUP. The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact that we are the featured marque. This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages across from Turn 5. REMINDER: Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP. (VSCDA TECH INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon) We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that time there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice. The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren. Joe Alexander KASTNER CUP 2013 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 14:07:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2648645AB0 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FDF44B12 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.231.18.217] (177.sub-174-254-146.myvzw.com [174.254.146.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3AK6AsX016616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:06:13 -0400 References: <8D00437A16F6D55-30C-91E6@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com> From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:06:08 -0400 To: Joe Alexander a=Pt7y7n_U6KkA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=TAWXjEhwuNNlOEy+NZ66OQ==:17 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=YtXTtaKcTF8K8_Jqo5oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=MG4Rcr4xqJIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=TAWXjEhwuNNlOEy+NZ66OQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" , "bdischer@blakedischer.com" Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA/FOT PLANNING - KASTNER CUP - 2013 ROAD AMERICA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jason: I think I have already sent you a pit reservation, but if not we have a 60 foot Toterhome Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT > > Just a note indicating the depth of planning: > > VSCDA is allocating space for the TRIUMPH STREET CARS attending the KASTNER > CUP. > > The space will be between the popular Turn 5 and Turn 6, honoring the fact > that we are the featured marque. > > This fits in nicely with the Friends of Triumph Paddock Area & Garages across > from Turn 5. > > REMINDER: Reserve your garage space with Jason, ASAP. (VSCDA TECH > INSPECTION will occur in these garages on THURSDAY afternoon) > > We also in close proximity to the WELCOME DINNER on Friday Night. At that time > there will also be a 'TRIUMPH CAR SHOW' with both STREET TRs & and RACE > PREPARED TRs. The show is free and will be people's choice. > > The FOT is getting a lot of attention, along with our VTR Brethren. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > KASTNER CUP 2013 > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 20:59:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1349245BCA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D6D45774 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id o17so1105015oag.6 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=c2uYzxsn4vKLBHUOr3stk/e03+3PYHq4gQDR0NX+234=; b=X2mobfCayBQe9cXH/A+2wS8XAD7JeiHTbHcakw77J5cye2I8vNRIb8OXcB/+b8wWjc Z2LssxCd4jZKReeloxXtNVxkkAP4ourw3wTn8lvpT6p/+Wsf769NaGpJfCRw494gaoI2 3B0ym11TYa6Q7l3cLrasWELxUUApIHj/Li1CRBSNmf+E4aWCwbyniecJ9n0m4OKTZDgM BlVHgRP6MHwsnRaZKGK0xZqW5lVmAO3y5cwzS5THq8clGDrPU0KddJLuL6eVLRMdewIK p6Tpr1jDKnk2IGtx9hxt3AYoJ4dcb4ECe0TrrBdUMcYK/r5bEqPBIKU+bRfbaGdw/G0F 2aQw== nv5mr1657905obb.56.1365648947762; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.128.228 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:55:27 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven TR with near stock ride height. . As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body work when viewed from above. every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks appropriate " for the TR thanks Terry Australia _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 05:49:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7661C4323E for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr02.ntelos.net (mailrtr02.ntelos.net [216.12.0.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8767442B1F for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr02.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r3BBmAYu003231 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:48:10 GMT Received: from d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.234.204]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:48:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:48:10 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" To: fot@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Subject: [Fot] Happy Birthday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness happen. Happy Birthday MJB! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 06:05:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D90345E61 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E9E45BD5 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.69]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BE2B938000082 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.66.189.176] (unknown [166.137.83.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 6B3CBE0000FE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:04:03 -0400 (EDT) References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> From: Christopher Bock Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:03:57 -0400 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365681843; bh=2SI6+mNmilPM63qLL+N4w+IlBOCnQG5jOCVFhDDuFdo=; h=From:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=g8HVhyXPUtQQUbMc8ANw2f6XRK+UBjEoaKQs24aK74VttexwlXdt3Gnk4/+AjsSgw XEaAqRcZobu3Razsw7mxTiof2o6EucMuhMoB69NlZZDI1voWPHxYceWwGMsVh/yejM GiszwMccWuXZUAJ7wSoW+GYubflk3kb/TdNM4vGA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29455166a6b34afd Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Birthday MJB! On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness > happen. Happy Birthday MJB! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 06:17:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFEE45EB6 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:17:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BB545E6C for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3BCGIZX006004; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:16:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "R. John Lye" References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, R. John Lye wrote: > Happy Birthday to the guy who makes all this madness > happen. Happy Birthday MJB! LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 13:11:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D5642EDE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f175.google.com (mail-ia0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174E645DFF for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f175.google.com with SMTP id e16so1389552iaa.20 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:30:26 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=P4eqNYgHmjtUi9f8brCg/yl3bCSyDoLA4GRRjHX02Fs=; b=NuNGaQtS3BB/cdTxSC4O1NvfYjfVGx0HD+dSfNixk195WsoAL6uw4DaXKyzJgHNt1j l9QxdClg70RFTOZj43rqes9TW4GB3E70QGjnhqvyc/MBVYQOkMgwGidMCDH1j9Rfi7Yt ptKZ1bGB765oT34Ae43ivDpzcdAkmv/D2QW2Sr7G4MDsQZDJYJOh1bpwgF2sR+19JwFc 08xjIC3NA7EoOv4SlHmSauvOiJ5fccSM/80QVJ6l+/Gi5GNLn69LdVMpL6ymDSP2I8fA +AfOkIQZS6zVhgXYFWiBimHrwEe5tiU5QpnYtZ9rYqEDzCweBwM+UDqBDbikiRgw6LZL lpTw== g10mr3870859ict.32.1365687026673; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SnookPC (rrcs-98-102-104-227.central.biz.rr.com. [98.102.104.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xc3sm2363732igb.10.2013.04.11.06.30.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 06:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeff Snook" To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:23 -0400 thread-index: Ac42uLhfgVsj7VuDSfC7+3iZYfBZFw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4 for Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Henry, you are selling your car too cheap. If I wasn't spending a fortune on getting my TR3 back on the track I would buy it in a minute!! Good luck, someone will be getting a great car at a great price! Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 17:36:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07408448FE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C154742A94 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [71.171.30.157]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ML40052J6R45HT2@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:33:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:33:05 -0400 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 To: Enquiries Road & Track References: Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven > TR with near stock ride height. > . > As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment > seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre > > can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly > want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our > regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body > work when viewed from above. > > every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer > not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks > appropriate " for the TR > > thanks > Terry > Australia > _______________________________________________ > Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders ("wings") and the TR6, this info should help. I have 16x7 VTO wheels with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4". At the time of those measurements I had 0 camber. I've since gone to negative camber and will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report results. BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs. Well, unless you don't want to go to full lock. I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work. Are the Superlite folks still in business? They're from your neck of the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going this route. Oh well, live and .... live. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 17:53:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D0A461BC for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F0A44805 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 9so2372973iec.8 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:52:00 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=HMFy2LSuE2h6g6yQmqMD2tphlG6qzTV7zn9yrJekN5k=; b=ETU35lkmhTlwt6RdH0vnmA2fTqwi0TSNZ0ZLbuWptZbLvUrBd90ZoUhLK/g1uFX5lu oROhtaCpV4B05bYOLfStwQXG9kjpy3vHPtpdTchGnqRiltKUt9+q5oP8d3L/qYOZn0rP BbpPQ3rV+cYchz+9Nw7eLsI+F4pJZSZs7r0ivnbFtxB0uWh8jVdOk1RrljCsQGrq8L03 Uqq9N9dc0ChSv3Vc8p6/akhqlb2A6fH1eNI5nA4eIP5gBKSy7Z6E5JTHJIFfRwHn/moA lrZ7f88qcUhP4hE3QQPsbzA9Xp105vTt3IQFWDCkq/snS3J7cdLMscuqYaXYYpPxAPle xHoQ== hh13mr253443igb.110.1365724320403; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.35.138 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:52:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:52:00 -0400 From: robert bownes To: "Enquiries Road & Track" Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Terry, I use 205/60/15's on stock wheels on my car with no issues whatsoever. I seem to recall having had some 215/55's at one point as well with no issues. Bob On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track < enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: > i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven > TR with near stock ride height. > . > As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment > seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre > > can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly > want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our > regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body > work when viewed from above. > > every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer > not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks > appropriate " for the TR > > thanks > Terry > Australia > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 18:57:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3CA44B60 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761E24292F for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id No1c1l0011smiN4AFosddG; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:52:37 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Nosc1l00D2xZMJ48goscXg; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:52:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:52:36 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: "J.C. Hassall" s=q20121106; t=1365727957; bh=8zWLrBnyONKy7ClCVTLgZxdRShPsKpBSSwxVJ9Jbwu4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CGqY4Hv7hAJm498Tg36uqw7yTgwFAWRPkZkPIwuIW3H+gsqTBahM56xirytUSAqPO hYNtPCjhLWhcumj4d9R+bzyAmHpjMS9IQOmvQs8KBSBe9wD+Enj9lFC167aSLds0y4 vSdrNBrz4L/Jq/URGfZylpBQQ+oGPFavSRe6ostCK25Cwfidwd+9pt3GYMRrgPkU0W MZzWFz5fsDFWBxd8PdWiUSNapi+WfrFmK5ZbTs5rkJ4DEHm/d/Lq2gLxV+7iTfjADP Lv9kWwWTQEhk/cotYl9W7xkLn1kstqc/CdXjqoaAwGq7WIEIavQrX79oLGTKx+ponV 5YUsJqH8oxUcg== Cc: Enquiries Road & Track , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, The Superlites are no longer available in the US. Pack Racing used to sell them but the factory dropped the US market or so I'm told. I couldn't get the factory to return any email either. I have six of them now and tried to buy four more for rains & spares. I have a set of matching VTO's on the way now. I can't reall y speak to your clearance issues. I use 6x15's with hoosier R6's & Toyo RA-1's in the 50 series. I have lowered springs and I can tell you I couldn't go any larger than 6" wide without either getting into the shock tower or the fender lip. Brad Burry at RaceKraft I think just found out his 15x7's on his TR6 won't work without flairing the fe nders. He's got it on the chassis jig now. Maybe rolling the fender lip will do it for you but you'll be in danger proximity to the shock tower in the front B without spacers and then there's that fender again. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Enquiries Road & Track" Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:33:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 On 4/10/2013 10:55 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven > TR with near stock ride height. > . > As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment > seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre > > can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly > want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our > regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body > work when viewed from above. > > every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer > not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks > appropriate " for the TR > > thanks > Terry > Australia > _______________________________________________ > B B Terry, if you have comparative measurements between the TR4 fenders ("wings") and the TR6, this info should help. B I have 16x7 VTO wheels with +12mm offset, 205/60/16 tires on my TR4 and I can tell you that my tires projected outside the fender lip by 1 1/4". B At the time of those measurements I had 0 camber. B I've since gone to negative camber and will put 195s on the car but haven't gotten there yet so can't report results. B BTW, +12mm offset is *wrong* for the TRs. B Well, unless you don't want to go to full lock. B I'd guess that 0 offset would probably work. Are the Superlite folks still in business? B They're from your neck of the woods, and I should have kept my 15x6 Superlites instead of going this route. B Oh well, live and .... live. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 12:11:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9F144F4C for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hagus.bright.net (hagus.bright.net [209.143.0.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C258142927; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spamtest3.bright.net (spamtest3.bright.net [209.143.0.181]) by hagus.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3BKOBkZ010934; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:24:11 -0400 Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by spamtest3.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r3BKNttH015450; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:23:56 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id BXG87281 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:23:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:23:59 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: TR list , spitfires@autox.team.net, 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>, nass@yahoogroups.com, FOT refid=str=0001.0A020208.51671BDB.019F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine Subject: [Fot] The Gathering in Dobson, NC - (warning - commercial content) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I will be attending this event at Dobson, NC as a vendor. If anybody needs me to bring specific parts, please let me know. Free shipping is good, especially if you need large or heavy parts. Order early - order often. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 12:11:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D2A44FC4 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:11:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f174.google.com (mail-ia0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2553F429D7 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f174.google.com with SMTP id r13so1822458iar.5 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:37:15 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=H8qUJi3hh2Uz1iGiV/AMMPUpJjlWYfc9crqaIJuSKTI=; b=zAeeKckq1BQLpZxPI8AwfmvP1glAJmZT9edHWiYkxn9x2ZXRVAviB6voPI9NlACH6O Gawy2mLVzFtp1C6+GWCbK/5bJHbxCDR8qfjuPhH3Fl9iJ0UTFLUJ06Vlp3vA1/+yHQvP 5FZgmoWnM7wqBpZsQXYTYy6JdfbZkXGDDg7YYMO9Be1kd2jgIydpKCBe/PrY6V8e34DS sbAixJDGeX9gDj9PrkSXKRfwEIX07ulxoI3bqiXR7ufHxXQZXTLW+bo0vZvmjwiUhIGo CMft3MREZvBj+SEHNpBVZSuwlS2xqYWEmGm7WfNSIwkESst9lJs+UI5WOJ5fx10sGvzW zxYQ== al6mr115107igc.20.1365716235824; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SnookPC (rrcs-98-102-104-227.central.biz.rr.com. [98.102.104.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ih1sm4282247igc.3.2013.04.11.14.37.14 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeff Snook" To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:37:11 -0400 thread-index: Ac42/Lm+AvE6dDIMSQmGUmnyzx9yDw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Garages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Jason, I would like to use one of the garage spaces for my TR3. I will have my F350 Crew Cab pickup and a 24' enclosed trailer. About 50' overall length. Thanks! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 14:45:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1167F4520E for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1545444C27 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A1CC31200120; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:42:52 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:42:48 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac43vkhHZFyZ/rwRRxCu15Lpxzj15Q== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AFjc AGIK AmjG AwHJ BnBr CKOd DAe4 FTNN GPHr Gw1A HqfF IuH8 Jhue KfI8 K+Wc LG7T; 1; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {60BB3BD9-7F9C-4A5D-9C20-5F978526C4AF}; dABpAG0AbQB1AHIAcABoAEAAZgBhAHMAdABiAHkAdABlAHMALgBjAG8AbQA=; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:42:44 GMT; MgA0ACAAZgBvAG8AdAAgAGEAbAB1AG0AaQBuAHUAbQAgAHQAcgBhAGkAbABlAHIAIABmAG8AcgAgAHMAYQBsAGUAIAA0ADAAJQAgAG8AZgBmAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {60BB3BD9-7F9C-4A5D-9C20-5F978526C4AF} Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: [Fot] 24 foot aluminum trailer for sale 40% off Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My friend has a body shop and auction business where he auctions vehicles that have been written off by insurance companies. He has a 24 foot Legend Deluxe V-Nose aluminum trailer, Model No. 721DVNTA35 that has been written off because it was "jack knifed" while being moved and cracked the aluminum tongue bracket. The tongue was re-TIG welded, the same as the rest of the aluminum frame but the owner did not want to accept it. The weld is about 4 inches long. It has never been used or had a car in it. It was made to haul a Legend race car. The weight of the trailer is 2160 lbs. and the payload is 4840 lbs. for a GVWR of 7000 lbs. The full specifications can be seen at www.legendmfginc.com. To say that it is fully optioned would be an understatement. The cost of the trailer was about $9000 and the cost of the options was about $10,000. Total cost with tax was over $20,000. It has over 16 feet of flush mount E-track for tie down in the floor, a 16 foot attached checkerboard awning and it is 6 inches taller than standard among other options. As noted above, the insurance company is heavily discounting the trailer. If interested e-mail contact@jeepsbodyshop.com for more information and a complete list of the options. Or call 920-921-1137 and ask for Jeep. I've seen it and it is very nice, to say the least. It is located in the Fond du Lac, Wisconsin area which is about 35 miles due west from Elkhart Lake. No financial interest at all, just posting it for a friend. Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 15:01:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24AE4531B for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D867345285 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:58:26 -0600 (MDT) a=vAtXzVU56rJv+3P9OoH/kQ==:17 a=WxKbIKHEf64A:10 a=FGx7159uJ7gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=rQ0K2ZSTkX8A:10 a=78soqx9ex2snsPdTMAQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=P0aOfIrVo6kFfYvyGPwA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=vAtXzVU56rJv+3P9OoH/kQ==:117 Received: from [68.204.228.130] ([68.204.228.130:52564] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 98/93-11869-92578615; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:57:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:54:19 -0400 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? thxx, Bob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 15:22:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C120845371 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473DA45298 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.252.139.50] (42.sub-174-254-144.myvzw.com [174.254.144.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3CLLZEt014321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:37 -0400 References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:33 -0400 To: Bob Davis a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lnE9BwMYAY5EIaiwgIERzw==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=o_edyWK6OZJmk0YUkyMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=lnE9BwMYAY5EIaiwgIERzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's But not 8's Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis wrote: > Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? > > thxx, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 15:53:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C2245400 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (modusmail.surfnetusa.com [66.151.140.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9238142AAC for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TER2 (unverified [50.131.196.125]) by SNCMAIL.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.20.2025.14901) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:52:45 -0700 From: "Greg Solow" To: "John Hasty" , "Bob Davis" References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:51:41 -0700 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 42 dcoe 8 carbs were fitted to Maserati 3500 cars. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Bob Davis" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question > Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's > But not 8's > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis wrote: > >> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? >> >> thxx, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 17:09:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC7C455D2 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:09:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BDD42852 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id hg5so4576qab.7 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=p8+Kexp9IMy9BT+GNKTKSXqe3tDTvzD4t92M+uu1Xv8=; b=XJBe6m3dqGaSOHmwSlcrMd66Gvz7IVppDj+EtM8ucSZ+dSY6SnUMzmHiva2FXV1kuF /LmcZwN716Z7RN5GLwIK89S3IdI9etWvDDaAW3VX3MmtksicKNl+poTBW0TmdV1wc5Xs 3E+wRTBK2PasyKe6PkMB9lbWw8aXtrl4ohoeb8dKmK1QQDnHmKtLwRdnR5asVhrUicO7 Z372FLMwziU2P0AikFaBeeJuipwULHy/tcXVnyOKAice4tBNSc55RTE9KiPpbnrVqKzC tsqcD8uCZQzCd8WVSqN2QHDda9i1F3wQrcgkGXd0QFKGpsjIWXQsgvRHbb9Ak1Iw7hc3 XG5A== Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.70.202 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:07:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:07:51 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them) So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 17:58:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7A645595 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F4245595 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x11so3130858lbi.29 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:47 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=SvfsCMcXqsSw7gzFz44arUimYwmWDksqy1u7/AoF9Q8=; b=kDJBO09tAE1Zc+EUPrwYPYGOiJAmsUHt9f9Iy5L3zVdkqIPJ7mw9U40dnpG2NBRKif fD2OV/w1FD5Oam1psF/c0GWNXxnZ33U7yNdnf3l3Hlt8FmO3Le/1MrfAe1OicfOnWcQ9 YB2ZvVqPiLKm1N+j8ywM6IEHBuYDusnSPtU1bSKI6TqttvB+eTn/W6c15bFm3J8cn74l UmIZ9MMsCyoneTWjdx3U4E9po3vdn2bYsSydSWODEarrpeIDSvKDe0minE2ySrYYTJ/T 91UpTVWA43UEPpqSn6VUDDR1NLZ1xZx6NggisbN9MhkQQ3NQc9w5cDQM3jhYiIjc3vPt +xjg== bh7mr6274746lbc.62.1365811007218; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.33.48 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kas Kastner Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:56:06 -0700 To: fot Subject: [Fot] Steering levers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Manufacturers make them of a mild steel that can be bent but not break. If it bends you can still steer, if it breaks you are off the road in most cases. It is a saftey issue. Racers have been doing it for years. Heat red hot, and bend, easy to do. Mark the point to bend with chalk or a welders pencil so you keep the heat away from the upright and on the spot you want to bend. *Never be beaten by equipment.* _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 22:00:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAAF457B3 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155AD45385 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A67981C00011E for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ded003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ded003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.54.9]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 73E4EE000082 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: robertten1@aol.com Received: from 96.233.64.253 by webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365825531; bh=h2ItF6rHSq8Adfm3H/SnG5bLo1lYh/RIp19ACg3d3s4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WasvdiCRiILWMQioCDXEx6gnwsojLNz6FL02tVxC3E4FnoclX/H2OxiqlHxbtVG6x lGqhy9dWALfyUtoR+nrBJDXqOUGDoflFsfJIXl8wxwhvEMvWg27JeQBufJurxilC0k c35AfA6izl17KK+utCv/4QklG4jykhi7oHpshVPc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c5168d7fb53b7 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 13 on my Spit Bob T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Bob Davis Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Pete Vandervate says he's seen 9's ut not 8's ent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Bob Davis wrote: > Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? thxx, Bob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 22:45:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE6143A5A for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465D944E45 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46A8A0CFE for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:43:26 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <49151dfaea8a85ce2ea29b8446047dcb.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy Birthday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the birthday greetings! This list is great! mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 00:06:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67BA458D2 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com (mail-pb0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5144438D for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id un15so1746687pbc.12 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:04:43 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=I4lfJFg5UHsLcoZaMvMwMxRL8TI0if+jhUcAbT+JJV8=; b=il3fIcNp2j6/CVEiSa9Vb6m71pBWGW5Clb1iJjmjZd4UGg8C6mger3BYXxWgLfXMVX rSbyNyOlbTNyQtAG2n9nZO89YjgA1msiBSZ25M2fiNL7rgsXbsy16VM8T55hwL9aKf4r H+hELpHeRFTrZ3ofNIPE708MC+px6WqT0Vj1M5LUVrRhqjyoOFT3wLD+dGfR4nUoy6V9 ZW9XPe8VhVGT1bjj1cUfnzY85dQ/AbcC9u16HXCjZ+LRZnSG+8pXCTNqj3u6CJpswnu1 t+csqUXaLtrxXCWRyey1p5xm5FMWXfX5DpcDBlJIT25CNtUWQGe4SWq/YqR7UrXtF5Nv 2I4g== mq5mr6116527pbc.44.1365833083761; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id be7sm10996164pad.20.2013.04.12.23.04.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:04:39 -1000 References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> To: Bob Davis Cc: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC means dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die cast, and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is a 9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as far as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at least ten variations of the DCOE9 carb. So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel injection. A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS. As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just right is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as main, air correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that. On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis wrote: > Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? > > thxx, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 00:25:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809A545891 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f41.google.com (mail-da0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADD842A27 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 00:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w4so1417759dam.0 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:21:49 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=SHhXZ4dl5QverRAbzkRAtYOBXQXBhtNWplfPgzaQlhM=; b=lmP97vD4JPYNNQnREt26g3AkyMKZpjTDKr03AQURbxV3oIyHTfr5EG2uB9yUIi8ysz GtW1zqZiNYcOB1qyTnVeVWXoK/FRnG8qI/pUY+2N1Km1Sahv2l1MliYqzS/afoKGIzjj nHuiO4rbzpWYcikDf0R9sX6P7P9aykFni7vDxkKlCdxmHlF3aPrbY7rMqXJCO0Hh6nrm rQqko/y+vznLKzcceLmN6xJnhd1C6er6lViXCqUaIPCCwkHiDORjYAOZtCtpaMeJyASH nA5Fedq9BvoGvN/0sT9vY55lYdP8UMParM/AdKnjDudEDbb8lIvd3eehlXu97OdjISZn TkoA== py5mr19280098pac.86.1365834108992; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ya4sm11440266pbb.24.2013.04.12.23.21.46 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:21:43 -1000 References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> <39B298E9-E0C7-449C-8FBF-A6DD864296D6@bnj.com> To: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One last thing, the modern variation numbers for Weber DCOE carbs start with 15, so if you buy a new 40 mm carb from Weber it's a 40DCOE152 or 153 which looks to be identical in almost every way except float design to a DCOE9. In other words, no one at Weber is doing development work on carbs--surprise, surprise. On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > 45DCOE9's are common as bellybuttons. 45 is the throat size (45 MM) DC means > dopio corpo or dual throat, O means horizontal (orizzontale) E means die cast, > and 9 is the variation number of the DCOE format. So that means if there is a > 9 there's an 8, as well as 1 through 7, though how many of those survive is > hard to say. Once they got to DCOE9 the variation number never changed as far > as I know, though according to my weber book and Wikipedia there are at least > ten variations of the DCOE9 carb. > > So yeah, there are eights, but they're just an earlier variant. My Maserati > Mistral has 45DCOE9's fitted in place of the troublesome Lucas fuel injection. > A common mod for Mistrals which made them slightly MORE reliable than a > rabbit's romance instead of slightly LESS. > > As an aside, one really confusing thing about Webers is the emulsion tube > numbers. The reason no one is successful in getting emulsion tubes just right > is that they are not numbered according to flow rate (as main, air > correction, and idle jets are) but by their chronological order of > manufacture. The number has NO meaning other than that. > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Bob Davis wrote: > >> Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? >> >> thxx, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:43:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B21463E2 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E324474B for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 15:40:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.90] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 15:40:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 15:40:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 32863 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2013 15:40:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365867657; bh=uEyr09UWhxilBgad4H7OxIroNMrF0ci4yrRqDehTnD8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QCETnQ1VkVr0+FXMBF3fUn6VaAc70hcqWYt03P8tK4+AF5lrXw3YpoD4qDBjZV0+3dps+WsKYvL4PLBB+s9DSh0ZarChXx7dJ5sevDvh2Shk4vH4a74cN4oaPnYEoT17wMfho9O8rvjbmWn+AMMOSROhAY4ggDTaw2st9CnS18k= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QX4S8/w3/RqyNlZ+o1ibeRPiN3uba3xAtkjlbkXj39bwgdPcl5JJPfb9GP6CoyRtRQWEXq9NH7/u3Mq7XyrbYzi5xXnRoJ7uy6CQS3uDNhuLBzXLIJnvBqNRqpULDM+NDHzG02e+4X+zpYZCP0qrC/JhLfsN3aXQ0iaOrE0Tthg=; rweQDOFGdqVaPtYaUy.8YsIlI6chZvjOK9PmOPGYzsV1cCci4KRzs2fYaRYz V34NJuN4CW6V.ym4xCG8hid9kx7dyyMWOXXCTNKfwBFlXX8xj50rZUETa9Vi FB3TEnOTDi0WThKfJlplvTu5SG6qrdmdil24GrACk0epsKcRZIE5oQnc47Nv V3v2MJyX_GgKH9uyJm.SO9SdA1ves2aTQAnbDLhMY1ogR4Y73ngPyPN_iseA N3rC97QLcGC8q_0GomdemEAnE3C6bEOWu_3a6qcrJuDvv1wwwM752g4V0QIs x87Pw.tQIx5VARkEAMr6dFSomqIsvdQ5rsrcTvbYqYnTrPFRzXousnSJCDLz 05BtVaSL5kCmXykZMNrc9eDdc7TO33zeCVb72Exp1dMsehFNmADFC1ejzLWe jrR3fQT_ec0vtkpsi8nfqA1C43GveZj7LiWKHEKaNUABKcnVHnWfAhE768CL 9pNeNoCY- Received: from [99.162.149.142] by web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:40:57 PDT Q2hlY2tpbmcgb24gd2hhdCBmb2xrcyBhcmUgdXNpbmcgZm9yIHRvcnF1ZSBzcGVjIG9uIGhlYWQgbnV0cz8KCjExNDdjYyBTcGl0ZmlyZSB3aXRoIHN0dWRzIHVwZ3JhZGVkIHRvIDcvMTYiIEFSUCBhbmQgUGF5ZW4gZ2Fza2V0LgoKQWxzbyBpZiBhbnlvbmUga25vd3Mgd2hhdCB0aGUgQVJQIHBhcnRudW1iZXIgaXMgZm9yIHRoZSA3LzE2IiBzdHVkcy7CoApJJ20gZ3Vlc3NpbmfCoHRoZXkgYXJlIHRoZSBzYW1lIGFzwqB0aGUgR1Q2L1RSNiBraXQgYnV0IHdvdWxkIGxpa2UgdG8ga25vdyBmb3IgCnN1cmUuCgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts? 1147cc Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket. Also if anyone knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. I'm guessing they are the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 14:31:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6EA46660 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF6A4052E for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [71.171.30.157]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ML700D22NIC8JB3@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:27:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:27:49 -0400 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 To: Enquiries Road & Track References: Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] re; wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/12/2013 7:07 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > thanks for all the replies guys. my car is a TR5 (same as 250) and when i > wrote the message I said TR5 or TR6, forgetting about the different width > of TR6 wings/fenders (whatever you call them) > > So, back to basics,,,, who can comment on TR4 or 250 wheel tyre sizes > > Terry > _______________________________________________ > Terry, I just now dropped a plumb line from the outer lip of the fender, then measured from the hub surface: it measures 3 1/2 inches. With that dimension you can calculate, for a given wheel offset and tire (tyre) width/aspect ratio, where the sidewall will be. Now, if only I'd done this a month ago, I wouldn't be in my current predicament. :-( jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 14:40:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620C646692 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f50.google.com (mail-bk0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770F54664A for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id jg1so1836574bkc.37 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=tF7HOAM2g9UQO0XO3oFBtPjWzNhdGYiiKO45YE+9jJQ=; b=G9PLkODMjwtCmalF0kiiySxBa4fY5/Oxffr/pOUkB1D1J0tbE5E+d7cEk6E332BMhZ EQEcdA2dg+xxm3swTV2x+/HX1yebckap4gRyqr2V+viBMmRAMXFpTOjN3/5NQhLsJVfg px0LirELfMTx2Bpv30K7oPqCtvfwGqcwQe0aDYHd5Yco2awSKjR0tb30U1wNONeZIF1B t3G61NqqWiw4O/Ch2Q74U4yHvct9rWxT6Ti1vZjs5kBC9/e9CVrzgWI+0XqWMbc/2NxT sCrBVfwhkALE69lSNMW690Lod49hMUhlsZIQKUDt9CkD8gMS39PHttk+TlTLH4xGs8Mv zvHQ== rc11mr6097376bkb.39.1365885393097; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.16.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iy11sm755282bkb.11.2013.04.13.13.36.31 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Bob Davis'" , References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:36:31 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac43wKwL2hhVBBM2Qj6ZL8pto3MRoQAxV12g Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old carbs did tell about the jetting. Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different. Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Davis Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54 An: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? thxx, Bob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 08:57:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B78450B4 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C420F42FF9 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.251.61.112] (82.132.245.92) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 5158C0320433CD36; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:51:25 +0100 References: <5168747B.1010109@cfl.rr.com> <000601ce3886$964a54f0$c2defed0$@com> From: TR4 Tony Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:51:20 +0100 To: MadMarx Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As car as I recall the DCOE08 was designated and jetted etc as an original fitment on the mk1 lotus cortina, so I suspect most of the early 1600 twin cam engines. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Apr 2013, at 21:36, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > I can't tell you anything about your number but the numbers on the old carbs > did tell about the jetting. > Sometimes the progression holes are slightly different. > > Normally you can make all types of DCOE carbs work on your car. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Bob Davis > Gesendet: Freitag, 12. April 2013 22:54 > An: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: [Fot] Weber carb question > > Is anyone familiar with a 45dcoe8....if there is such a carb? > > thxx, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 20:49:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9F7445B6 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CA240436 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q22Y1l0020mv7h05F2mYk8; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 02:46:32 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q2mX1l00l1EiJYf3X2mYCl; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 02:46:32 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:46:37 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1365993992; bh=xRXSCvg0y4VC5HO+7WrCwLnRNbboTsQRx3+zOX8Wd4Q=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BrYXyBFvyR3rBVnYZreu7QGC7QYxxKEUbkODgQ+lUM8XvukYNHmqH694ofAH5V06E IP33nDZn5F+wEJQyrZ0dcMciJiN7q5vDLI51QhowE3nloOR5VwegE2+q+ZV5XxHN63 MUG6RrLafikDh8hPun6XbIDmyQa3QqTkCghKJlbqQE7iH1hpugVncdHWXmaAsGV7FK /Bzb2ea7Q2m1MNftshMHx3p4cV2naVau82c0gQ1O8i4Kw8PR1XSxAEfGjFHkTn5qaM astdoF1qhxE7qnbbbg1WY40gpVYceaj5LQy1GzBKs/N37lFFnYMF+rAUq13Bk1kUzr AVtT/ZVAHROzQ== Subject: [Fot] PVGP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't seen any chatter on the web about this. There will be an MG - TR race at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix this year. Called the British Heritage Race it will be sponsored by our friends at The Roadster Factory. The dates are July 19-21. Anybody interested in learning about the pleasures and perils of racing thru the streets of Schenley Park should talk to Jeff Snook. Jeff, no doubt, has more experience at the PVGP than any other FOT member. see www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com. Bruce _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 07:57:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24870447C4 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:57:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout05.eigbox.net (bosmailout05.eigbox.net [66.96.186.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D8344716 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan22.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.22]) by bosmailout05.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1URjmK-0000rB-9q for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:49:04 -0400 Received: from bosimpout03.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.3]) by bosmailscan22.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1URjmK-0003Qe-4K; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:49:04 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp15.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.15]) by bosimpout03.eigbox.net with NO UCE id QDiK1l00x0KWaAJ01DiK1M; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:42:19 -0400 a=ggZSX/jlmC2elxj1XBnN1A==:17 a=3-MZCWuAnnEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qjHRvQacbkQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=UwwsUS9CVUG68EuFtLgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=6thTdk0GfRoQwv0zj4iWMg==:117 Received: from ppp-70-253-78-27.dsl.austtx.swbell.net ([70.253.78.27] helo=zap6) by bosauthsmtp15.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1URjmJ-0002tj-PN; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:49:03 -0400 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Tim Pettenati'" <1964spitfire@pacbell.net>, References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:48:45 -0500 thread-index: Ac44XZE7p3bG1fYcQ5CfbQRSbAORZwBgVJeg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tim: I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen gasket. I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60. I let the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again. Since following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets. The ARP numbers for the studs are: Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB Nut - AJN 12-1 Washer - AJW 750N They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts? 1147cc Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket. Also if anyone knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. I'm guessing they are the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure. Thanks, Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list@mackenzie.aero _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 08:47:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835A145749 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA29144722 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:45:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130415144323.SOYN882.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:43:23 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id QEjP1l00F4qRjhw01EjPlQ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:43:23 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qjHRvQacbkQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_WKKxIenpWlLv4SjwXAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Robert MacKenzie'" , "'Tim Pettenati'" <1964spitfire@pacbell.net>, References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:43:29 -0700 thread-index: Ac44XZE7p3bG1fYcQ5CfbQRSbAORZwBgVJegAAIbjaA= Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I always re-torque once the engine comes up to operating temperature and is still hot. I got that tip from a scrap of paper that fell out of a NOS head gasket many years ago. It has served me well. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert MacKenzie Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 6:49 AM To: 'Tim Pettenati'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Tim: I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen gasket. I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60. I let the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again. Since following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets. The ARP numbers for the studs are: Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB Nut - AJN 12-1 Washer - AJW 750N They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit. Robert MacKenzie _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 09:17:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C5945854 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2EC45780 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EC0F1380000D6; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [75.196.150.8] (8.sub-75-196-150.myvzw.com [75.196.150.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 0897BE0000AE; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:07:26 -0400 (EDT) References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero> From: Chuck Gee Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:07:20 -0600 To: Robert MacKenzie x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366038446; bh=IinkOLlfTmRkW5iMKMio7X871k9obYpi5PiCWGsfHtI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=GEKzcnBljizoQyWpML6qBCqPKP/BVaslpnBrIhXlQpivanlXjaPkTHyx4eIO1vQdE gn87ICKvhjSP4WGorAO4lfUvVN63PvNhkTjVj+Y11smelS23LMVZDzmEQrdmzZgRGu emRqwonM3GnDLxwSzNurxILOWr0Ss99qvUHpTGvg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2906516c17ad1159 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40 ft-lbs. Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when the motor cools down. This is not a good thing. Proper stretch is what is important. Chuck On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" wrote: > Tim: > > I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen > gasket. I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60. I let the head sit > overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again. Since following this process I > have had no issues with head gaskets. > > The ARP numbers for the studs are: > > Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB > Nut - AJN 12-1 > Washer - AJW 750N > > They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit. > > Robert MacKenzie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tim Pettenati > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque > > Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts? > > 1147cc > Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket. > > Also if anyone > knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. > I'm guessing they are > the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure. > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list@mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 09:29:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253F045933 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com (imr-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFC9457E4 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC7CB1C0001BC; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [75.196.150.8] (8.sub-75-196-150.myvzw.com [75.196.150.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id EB6D1E0000BC; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:18:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero> From: Chuck Gee Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:18:01 -0600 To: Robert MacKenzie x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366039086; bh=nOth0pzo2+9wP9oiz5tSVFZZvTf2u8GxXNWslJG29p4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=g7uDUVyZd4ONEg+rkegE6/3b2f0IRhc55JSLBJUjcG4oUJPm0wqk1+HYDu4z/g1O/ rMPUdSj6k9G287cxpiTdJhn3YMkalDI3jCZqrYiRyTh0uiF1zf4z8qP6OyCUE/VcFh QoJuvVL5gcTr59QnAeFYGoTY1TD+eeLQf0Dl6l6A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2902516c1a2c7b9b Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;). Stupid auto correct! Chuck On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40 > ft-lbs. Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when > the motor cools down. This is not a good thing. Proper stretch is what is > important. > > Chuck > > On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" wrote: > >> Tim: >> >> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a Payen >> gasket. I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60. I let the head sit >> overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again. Since following this process I >> have had no issues with head gaskets. >> >> The ARP numbers for the studs are: >> >> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB >> Nut - AJN 12-1 >> Washer - AJW 750N >> >> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 > kit. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Tim Pettenati >> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque >> >> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts? >> >> 1147cc >> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket. >> >> Also if anyone >> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. >> I'm guessing they are >> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list@mackenzie.aero >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 09:33:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC46468EA for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57017459B7 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130415153155.OMTD21607.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:31:55 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id QFXv1l00G4qRjhw01FXvVX; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:31:55 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qjHRvQacbkQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3t9XFsOQNANW14sFClkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Chuck Gee'" , "'Robert MacKenzie'" References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:32:01 -0700 thread-index: Ac457efXXrdYn4HHS9e7iKPA8Cs2lQAAD2PA Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't had any problems with this method, while I have seen a lot of blown head gaskets on engines that have not had it done. Admittedly, it is more of an issue if you are not using ARP head bolts. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:18 AM To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque I don't recommend you tonguing or torquing them hot ;). Stupid auto correct! Chuck _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 11:50:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA324496C for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout14.eigbox.net (bosmailout14.eigbox.net [66.96.185.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93FF4484B for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan03.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.3]) by bosmailout14.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1URmlS-0002PY-Jk for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:00:22 -0400 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan03.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1URmlS-00051g-Dr; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:00:22 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp19.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.19]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id QH0N1l00X0QhFXN01H0Ngr; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:00:22 -0400 a=ggZSX/jlmC2elxj1XBnN1A==:17 a=3-MZCWuAnnEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qjHRvQacbkQA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=zLwDLM7fAZAI5_txf9sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=9UqFsMnAB6EOkiq4MrOclQ==:117 Received: from ppp-70-253-78-27.dsl.austtx.swbell.net ([70.253.78.27] helo=zap6) by bosauthsmtp19.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1URmlS-00018s-Ai; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:00:22 -0400 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Chuck Gee'" References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:00:17 -0500 thread-index: Ac456vGrzUJppEY1SV2Eo0xNjny7ewAD5BvA Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled. If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM To: Robert MacKenzie Cc: Tim Pettenati; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40 ft-lbs. Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when the motor cools down. This is not a good thing. Proper stretch is what is important. Chuck On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" wrote: > Tim: > > I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a > Payen gasket. I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60. I let > the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again. Since > following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets. > > The ARP numbers for the studs are: > > Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB > Nut - AJN 12-1 > Washer - AJW 750N > > They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 kit. > > Robert MacKenzie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque > > Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts? > > 1147cc > Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket. > > Also if anyone > knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. > I'm guessing they are > the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure. > > Thanks, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list@mackenzie.aero > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 14:29:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5F042F96 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:29:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F36E42EEB for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BAC147000009F; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [75.198.8.33] (33.sub-75-198-8.myvzw.com [75.198.8.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id CA22EE000623; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:27:48 -0400 (EDT) References: <1365867657.32068.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <003f01ce39df$f4830300$dd890900$@aero> <000601ce39fa$b74431b0$25cc9510$@aero> From: Chuck Gee Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:07:10 -0600 To: Robert MacKenzie x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366057671; bh=ETyvne3Z2jGW39spsPDbCkhQ1VeNvxCGg05WqlPy7uo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ezc6A6i6skLRiMLmpT5Yt5Qv0m96AkCeat3AiHdL4rvNlwEuj+ty4JSc6HdJly5NK 0PoSWYS1VL5woc2wpQV/CYB3eliSHPWxKHBcahqz+bYLfRKIjc+msvFHrL+AEu787+ agjRt2ezZpaHgDD0FauPvpSsSLpkocKwVAXTpSPE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2905516c62c41f0c Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, 60 is the number if using regular oil. Chuck On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" wrote: > Just to clarify; I do re-torque again after the engine is run and cooled. > If I recall correctly I was given the 60 lbs figure from ARP. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:07 AM > To: Robert MacKenzie > Cc: Tim Pettenati; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire head torque > > Just keep in mind that if you use the ARP lube the recommended torque is 40 > ft-lbs. Also, if you tongue them hot you will be relieving the stretch when > the motor cools down. This is not a good thing. Proper stretch is what is > important. > > Chuck > > On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, "Robert MacKenzie" wrote: > >> Tim: >> >> I have been using 60 ft/lbs on my 1147s with ARP studs/nuts and a >> Payen gasket. I pull to 60 with 3 pulls of 20, 40, then 60. I let >> the head sit overnight (cold) then retorque to 60 again. Since >> following this process I have had no issues with head gaskets. >> >> The ARP numbers for the studs are: >> >> Head Stud - AJ 4.250-1SFB >> Nut - AJN 12-1 >> Washer - AJW 750N >> >> They can be ordered from Summit Racing along with the 10 stud 1500/1296 > kit. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Tim Pettenati >> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:41 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire head torque >> >> Checking on what folks are using for torque spec on head nuts? >> >> 1147cc >> Spitfire with studs upgraded to 7/16" ARP and Payen gasket. >> >> Also if anyone >> knows what the ARP partnumber is for the 7/16" studs. >> I'm guessing they are >> the same as the GT6/TR6 kit but would like to know for sure. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list@mackenzie.aero >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 16 08:07:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C58844424 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233FB42453 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 368AE700022C0 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.209]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D7279E000085 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366121098; bh=qPCnGoNOKmu0RWFk1l8iDZwtW4NdPgfY4XmsVbDQhEs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r8s/02WSFODlRTFCZ4WLS4e10qVIPeBAuMFsy/D01UY5EMisFOhLSqz7t0pytDJcO Sm7OE5vwAXQeIIX7aZ9ze8XNGUqlla4+NDfeOoEd/X5UP/P4TVcZbWVRsJIlmZCT+o WrbTf0Q50tj0WJc63qyVtTLdpww2eL8vyepRXUHs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b516d5a8949a3 Subject: [Fot] 1958 Triumph TR3 head light rim... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... Bob Wismer's son-in-law, Doug Allison, is the new owner of our Tornado Thunder Bolt, and since after 111 racing events, it has been retired from racing, he is in the process of a complete restoration and conversion into a fancy street roadster. This includes getting all of the lights working again. He is in need of one (-1-) 1958 TR3 head light rim. I am unfamiliar with this rim, but Doug describes it as being 'split', with a screw to hold it together when in place. He has one, but needs another. Does anyone have one they would be willing to part with? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 16 08:25:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BB9451E6 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D74944263 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 08:22:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5571070000088 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.193]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 19439E000088 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) References: <511379555565457-506625886040824@groups.facebook.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366122052; bh=oGRnl3JDE9mlekBpASyZEo3FLWn42Zoxxs19XUL/fEs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CERBEOHP1TU62T61ar6IJxBx6DFpMbGEgnerfiEHdjjOZixj8elQDl20IPWIYtxwI SMc6Vu6EMvUL0+GlhMzgcOJOe6wD7al9HRPDhD8H26Ha31HoqXq1sJFPX6VyikMrRL vy9mfK4mEdoE4WNKLt6kX2W4l/n3e/b9ViBXhRX0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c516d5e4463cf Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s near Des Moines, IA, see the links below. At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a few of us have expressed an interest in attending. Steve Myer (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS) and Shawn Frank There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence. greenwoodrevival.com is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as well. see below. Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the dreaded suburban sprawl. Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Wieland To: Greenwood Roadway Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am Subject: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the... Eric Wieland posted in Greenwood Roadway Eric Wieland 8:55am Apr 16 If you have not already, checked out the Greenwood Revival Page for more information on the 50th anniversary event on June 8th. https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival Greenwood Revival Sports Venue View Post on Facebook B7 Edit Email Settings B7 Reply to this email to add a comment. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 16 11:30:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BBC42B11 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5767C42AE6 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:25:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A007A700028E1 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.193]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5B026E000087 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366133052; bh=OystVAd1qAUyoreLVA09puaYDyYo1XtHgQtXDpC0T5s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xgYNdMHn4zQbo2XvE3vnkGIAOrbjPW2m7E8P9N9b7DQee5kUS+uNBy4KK6F0fO9U3 1D3CrZpRR3oxWN+W5KM/mH78w6n4/3439lZhhqVlapqNcElfgrk/LDUuLjOjwySCDf 8QC9yxEaEpYJjHZVN0JmDDws/Ef0feUaWo0i2Mk0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389516d893c0d74 Subject: [Fot] GROUP 44 KCUP 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: Does anyone know of any G-44 cars or cars that had a relationship to Group 44? I am aware of a couple that may be coming, but I'd like to pin it down. I know that Bill Warner is aware of our event, but have had no direct contact with him. Thanks for your help.... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 16 12:48:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1814322C for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0499428F7 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 17B387000435C for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dga003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dga003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.9]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D3A9DE000086 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: REK46@aol.com Full-name: REK46 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366137613; bh=ZuggA+vnPmia586tFvWUIcYS0CfNvnwz/8daKrKFSmc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vKfG6avT2Fi52zTMozQj9HS2FnKpa4D7UpWKAS89A++FpwbobmHfiDVw/KnE1gqS2 74h7+l6XUIwnaeAECG5WZm8tnUoLAo+IH1t29gf/qE2n0Vwkut784KyPSIlO5NMPNh xZolvmq0FCS1L9MpFk3VC9HseSUJzagAavNu7smM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d516d9b0c5274 Subject: [Fot] Pinion sels/Spitfire 1296 and 1500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have Spitfire front pinion seal numbers for the small and large diffs for seals made by aftremarket people like National or Cr,etc..?....rick(can't find my notes) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 16 17:16:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C6C430A2 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6A242A18 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A69A3FA0F78; Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:54:18 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Enquiries Road & Track'" , References: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:54:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac42YIxd+rg6hoxHQ8uqNhZhQoZrQwEk3hcQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had to look in my notebooks to find some of the info, hence the delay. On my street TR5 I originally had European 185/HR15, fronts were Michelin XVS and rears were Continental TS792. I replaced them for 2 reasons, I didn't know how old they were but thought probably 10 years and secondly, the spare didn't fit in the trunk well! Plus they just didn't look right on the car, looked way too big due to their design (extra wide sidewall to provide curb protection) and the size. I replaced them with the Vredestein 175/70 HR 15, which fit in the tire well in the trunk and they look right on the car. The wheels are Dunlop wires made in India under license, 5-1/2 K X 15 X 457C. I have no idea what the 457C is and I don't know what the offset is. I could pull the spare out and try and measure it but am not sure how to go about it with the splined hub. Don't know if this is of any use to you, but that's what delete keys are for:) Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:55 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheel & tyre sizes TR5/TR6 i would like some comments on suitable wheel tyre sizes for a road driven TR with near stock ride height. . As best i can tell from some google searches, a common "modern" fitment seems to be 16 x7" rim with zero offset and about 205/55/16 tyre can anyone with wheels/tyres close to this please comment. i particularly want to know if they protrude past the fender at all.. Our regs prohibit any wheel tyre combo that protrudes past the factory body work when viewed from above. every rim i can find above 6.5", hits on the balljoint and i would prefer not to use spacers. I have yet to find a 16 x 6.5"ally wheel that looks appropriate " for the TR thanks Terry Australia _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 06:01:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FA842DFE for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 06:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C4C42C56 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 11:54:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.209] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 11:54:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2013 11:54:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 96504 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2013 11:54:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366199679; bh=475uTDAxlGNYq19u5s7t3GRbf8S4TaghnbLwJSvGcPc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QdhEbYK4q6wiKAJ7p6w5J8Wqx2jCcNC6Wte29vENc87hrdSrb7nMn0c8QYbJSXmHr0iSs/uIQ5lVThwYU1cxDmVLK4wSC527m6z7/GNaluEWPrWQ6SlGtvwayzBVGSCnyDCkHcrl9pIBeNiqhxAUhxcolLT02Jm04vICWONOvrs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x47H8MxZEjS+jLZUWpzYqC4AJNzrW9fYwoMaEVvUuOr9ZkVNjHDaqYEKdWCzwwqKvteoxEVD1JVtEJB8iQ0GrQUodwBOQ4y4+aoibEdVdOvW9frH8dlpsZF9+fAwZKyP/sRbxSDh0ROwZz5fmTrZTQxk8nRfM1puebpTboxzXh4=; 33JFcRRV0HBX9oao1bTSwMTH20BouQ6DIs0MxhCHhKui9iwex68Groeo3H2U B1P1p_S.moLzjWkG1nulZ2tMwvVQ4zLLHL.IkqSY2BV_9ZZbGcw_.W1ncIMT AUVmO.ehyXrM.D1ck0b1Z7vbRsdDsQMSU5P0cjkifzJYtrmPpYn6AGuFbCbR aibMnkIMWYCY8COCTrUcRY.a.fADK306cNSpd2FT_iid.Ro2I6ySp0kVDQRU c1BHjn7N7VFYxdqbQG3AQ9_.2_gvqI6bf5nZZrho6Bx9ZICzi6j8AjGSsbZC RXuOxexq2kS2yPsa0Pu0O8V9ZMUKvsSsbMMsakWnIqTfP0jmXNXUCo1rzlXZ bXdOX4EecZMM8SemMC6_J7oklYbsGL0nbVCM_XiPgjjBK5_TtbYmzZEJNb1Y o.LzIVASZryPuucAldEUdk_fh8ZG8Gg-- Received: from [75.105.247.167] by web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:54:39 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBzb21lIGhvdyBJIGFtIG5vdCBnZXR0aW5nIGZvdCBwb3N0aW5ncy4gSEVMUCEhISEKCgrCoCDCoCDCoEpvaG4gV2FnbmVyCsKgIMKgIMKgSnVzdCB0aGUgd3JlbmNoCsKgIMKgIMKgai53YWdzNjNAeWFob28uY29tATABAQEB Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wagner To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] postings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!! John Wagner Just the wrench j.wags63@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 10:11:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C30C448A9 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F7542A54 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B5BAD7000232A; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-muc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-muc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.193.193]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 22708E000089; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:22 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:09:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366214963; bh=Hbm62alQclHXu6v6ghTCjFuyYWMpB/X55CzMfdyS+OA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ws3V6RxSAsxgSrvhtW78LL/sIkPsZj2WLxxnN9fliqCUgrYmB38siRJ7M4jBktLkH b8iAx8ruSshGpmKvoJleQWXj7w4P6IouRb/mGLmVJJJaVkO4mylYSHJ1djXjU1FuyZ bDZloExCkcBjkugq+wZ9LZx4m8nqQ1gGVtbYvh8M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b516ec9331901 Cc: kknight@klaenv.com Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT. Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner Cup. He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere. kknight@klaenv.com Please add KEN to the list, Mark. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 11:45:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4D244B98 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007C64494A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB5CA0CFE; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:41:11 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: John Wagner , "fot@autox.team.net" References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] postings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John Wagner wrote: > some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!! > I'll look into it. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 12:01:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19F644C48 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CFC44C22 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:47:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b4.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.104]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r3H8fQtu030708; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:45:51 GMT Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:45:50 +0000 Cc: kknight@klaenv.com Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Welcome Ken.... The new Mr. Fast!! M ------Original Message------ From: Joe Alexander To: FOT Cc: kknight@klaenv.com Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM FOT Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT. Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner Cup. He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere. kknight@klaenv.com Please add KEN to the list, Mark. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 12:02:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58FA44C8B for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC0643A16 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.56] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:57:54 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:55:34 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac47lMKObA3MpGiyRLKmO+4d2N6TtQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 12:34:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C3244B9B for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA296443AD for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D989AA0CFE for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:11:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: "fot@autox.team.net" References: <1366199679.81480.YahooMailNeo@web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <516EDEB7.1070607@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] postings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > John Wagner wrote: >> some how I am not getting fot postings. HELP!!!! >> > Yahoo is clueless: Apr 17 12:00:42 autox postfix/qmgr[1917]: 561C142EF0: to=, relay=none, delay=267409, delays=267409/0.16/0/0, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[74.6.136.244] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 166.70.156.34 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html) You should get this message, I'm trying a temporary workaround. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 12:49:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62FF44D78 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e8.ny.us.ibm.com (e8.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B4B44BA3 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e8.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:38 -0400 Received: from d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (d01relay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.235]) by d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D396E804B for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id r3HITcEX295594 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:38 -0400 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id r3HITbpq026399 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:37 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id r3HITbt2026380 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:37 -0400 References: To: fot@autox.team.net From: George Harmuth Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:29:23 -0400 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 04/17/2013 14:29:37 x-cbid: 13041718-9360-0000-0000-000011C85904 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island mike h G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 13:22:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB442E4A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FD644DC7 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBBBA0CFE for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stupid Yahoo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Okay, I think all those folks with a yahoo.com or btinternet address have been set up so they will get FOT mail. I'll keep a close eye on things and make further adjustments as necessary. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 15:10:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BEA44EC0 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432C24296A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130417205945.CWNH10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id R8zl1l00H0yHwtd058zlon; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 a=1pOwa8b6cSmEz8ILrAHUHA==:17 a=pMKzOs1iszUA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=K-lthybPCyYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=c0Sw_bp6fQQA:10 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=5jNmFS3Z29uZsAZRZ5EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1pOwa8b6cSmEz8ILrAHUHA==:117 Received: from [68.112.207.159] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Senty To: George Harmuth User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm, wife says nooooo Jeff Senty On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, > starting > price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi > d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true > > Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island > > > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 15:55:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66EF44EB2 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE704294B for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130417214652391; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:46:52 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 507066958; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:46:46 -0500 From: To: , "Joe Alexander" References: <511379555565457-506625886040824@groups.facebook.com> <8D008C4BBCB20C8-76C-64E5A@webmail-m213.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:46:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I attended my first ever road race there in 1964 at age 16. That USRRC race with Cobras and Chapparals was electrifying to me and helped me acquire the determination to become a road racer. My next race there, Greenwood's final race, introduced me to Triumph race cars. One of my friends who was with me back in '64 is helping me and a chap in England digitize the track so it can be driven on Grand Prix legends. This work included a couple slow laps and the track was very special in the areas of elevation change and corner variety. It would be a great restoration project! Wish us luck. If the results are worth the effort, we may try to do MAR at Wentzville and Meadowdale. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:20 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the... FOT: If you have any history or interest in GREENWOOD, a racetrack from the 60s near Des Moines, IA, see the links below. At least two of our FOT are taking a leadership role in organization and a few of us have expressed an interest in attending. Steve Myer (SKUNK RIVER RESTORATIONS) and Shawn Frank There's amazing history here in it's short lived existence. greenwoodrevival.com is a website location and it appears on FACEBOOK as well. see below. Yes! The track still exists...it was far enough out of town to avoid the dreaded suburban sprawl. Perhaps Shawn Frank can jump in and provide more detail. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Wieland To: Greenwood Roadway Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:55 am Subject: [Greenwood Roadway] If you have not already, checked out the... Eric Wieland posted in Greenwood Roadway Eric Wieland 8:55am Apr 16 If you have not already, checked out the Greenwood Revival Page for more information on the 50th anniversary event on June 8th. https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodRevival Greenwood Revival Sports Venue View Post on Facebook B7 Edit Email Settings B7 Reply to this email to add a comment. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6248 - Release Date: 04/16/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 16:42:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3354742962 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA9344F7D for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130417223527.AZY24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:35:27 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.235.90]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id RAbR1l00z1xi4cJ05AbSKM; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:35:27 -0400 a=SjuUym14L3tHVHHCmfaQRQ==:17 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=K-lthybPCyYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=c0Sw_bp6fQQA:10 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=DyMgSWZyTC8Hl-Qsdr8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=SjuUym14L3tHVHHCmfaQRQ==:117 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:35:30 -0400 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nicely done I have the same flares on my race car. Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back to steel? Can I do Steel Flares? Glenn On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote: > Hmmm, wife says nooooo > > Jeff Senty > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > >> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting >> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part. >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi >> >> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true >> >> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island >> >> >> mike h >> >> G. Michael Harmuth >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89@charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 17:31:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BD9450FA for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B14E44A26 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:19:25 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MWcWzPSKaDl/uHIz+dLteOBJ/LC4cskijkgchPYhDkxGTlZANGyWdDQdIppzK/yb; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1USbbn-0004X4-Gy; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:17:47 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:17:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:17:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: gasket.works@gte.net >Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM >To: FOT >Cc: kknight@klaenv.com >Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT > >Welcome Ken.... The new Mr. Fast!! >M >------Original Message------ >From: Joe Alexander >Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >To: FOT >Cc: kknight@klaenv.com >Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT >Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM > >FOT > >Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT. > >Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner >Cup. > >He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought >he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere. >kknight@klaenv.com > >Please add KEN to the list, Mark. > >Thanks! > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4@cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net > > > >Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 19:35:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EA845157 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3F942ABE for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.238.127.144] (162.sub-174-252-157.myvzw.com [174.252.157.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3I1N5l8024739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:23:08 -0400 References: <13826628.1366240667496.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:23:04 -0400 To: steve a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=PWfoDEYBKGUKVaNDV1Btjg==:17 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=sskR1B85AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=NG0IswC7AAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Ze96msxwglxYkKg2h7kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=MG4Rcr4xqJIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=p5ZAGxalUHUA:10 a=ySgIuqwg-mwA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=PWfoDEYBKGUKVaNDV1Btjg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No comment on fast, but my 3 doesn't leak either. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:17 PM, steve wrote: > He's super quick and his immaculate TR4 doesn't leak. > > ~Steve > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: gasket.works@gte.net >> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 10:45 AM >> To: FOT >> Cc: kknight@klaenv.com >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT >> >> Welcome Ken.... The new Mr. Fast!! >> M >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Joe Alexander >> Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >> To: FOT >> Cc: kknight@klaenv.com >> Subject: [Fot] KEN KNIGHT >> Sent: Apr 17, 2013 9:09 AM >> >> FOT >> >> Please welcome Ken Knight of Las Vegas to the FOT. >> >> Ken races a TR4 with VARA and will be making the long tow for the Kastner >> Cup. >> >> He has been around for a long time with his very well prepared TR4. I thought >> he was on the list already. Certainly an oversight somewhere. >> kknight@klaenv.com >> >> Please add KEN to the list, Mark. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net >> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 20:36:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF67451B8 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0704A4515A for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2013 02:35:05 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.230] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2013 02:35:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1070.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2013 02:35:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 47124 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2013 02:35:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366252505; bh=ol5n3arRNGULMKZFX12mZv/y/QM4D+k9NuDa8qQ2qBI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e5qSnET3obLr7cM8eAkPTnXgL6j3Lg0O0K7IF0IBt6Lwf/SfO2Tip8hS5DfS3CAKDG6fj+W3iozdm6D/th+extjV8mtaQvxLmESx4e6P4axAO5KDkQXoI5Q1Z3vQwYDLgj2FhbuNlYp1PQbCcfkiAua1KPTL9w5qpO+CTYqyfIA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ATsITckwNnlm44b3j99kocrsVi0TXX5knBeCstz9KwzR6+xXmRaZn2cEj903dyA44/LWP+e9FbQFFd3mdL7v3qdgm6fG8458OUfYy6YJnKz0EDDGjc7v5uoGCzSddfoDY9Li6dU2701SM2HaQY7hidpGymRLVZIGYvSEMoh8l2Q=; oxbF8vJtcq.dZzdpKHlMf9e4q9Ud0M6kbsR44iD1KJ_L5dIRAaQkRiHmJaqI t3ofXN5mrw0JTtHGxbVfEs8I8TxXy3bwV93B5i3I2Z3aZ7YDafdcyY9CeHUf jf58Kt1t5iiVeZ1nMo98Rubs58aENmlt5NgFiWxp4t95YHTrXf2w6N.AmlHg zGvOQTAAZzjhmo2i9y7oZ549luhH4KnvNhYSz2i7NHUGjvU7PrlXl9GSpv5W RDB1.NIaUs5JjTG_geFkwyMgOTBAyhycWT1_v7949l981tXN18dc8MuI8On4 PVhhQXPct4cm2bQcCuhvwoYNuxICOLVotYc4D.LqlhLuJUJ6pBPVs503Dp4U FTIAxrYKEjQFw2VKjFATKjl9qAU_ZN8azlM0q3pILzie9Zc2EW3L3p0fFvth yzTXNJqtOKNX4A80SoNhrBmPAE4zGOp3RGPUZLAX0XMwHxTBBcaoWgPip1g- - Received: from [66.192.188.2] by web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:04 PDT WW91IGd1eXMgZGlkbid0IGtpY2sgbWUgb2ZmIGRpZCB5b3U_wqAgCsKgCk1pa2UgTWVobCAjNDYgVFI0ATABAQEB Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for several days. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You guys didn't kick me off did you? Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 20:38:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157C8451BE for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155E2451A4 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E398A0CFE; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:37 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Mike Mehl , Triumph Friends of References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for several days. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike Mehl wrote: > You guys didn't kick me off did you? > > Yahoo did. Don't blame me. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 17 20:54:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF464504E for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBDB42E56 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643ECA0CFE for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:05 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Triumph Friends of References: <1366252504.46567.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for several days. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00135.html http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-04/msg00137.html mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 06:15:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607B845341 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f42.google.com (mail-qe0-f42.google.com [209.85.128.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7404531D for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id cz11so1617440qeb.1 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:09:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NHQ7i3wcN0EJL+KbnAIsMX3rJgKkU8L87NASe3sYgaQ=; b=X1cPxEFXvxGMFtx+9OTNW1C9TsS+SqGwKmqGXFYdSGNa1etXtLBx9Hf5+gxLPzJh5i ud2otjJ4ZdT6X2GaDxXTGixuk0whBobbOCGeW7qdC/7G6v2Rnz1GJFnrKr+WRUmPVD65 5pKrU7YVQ7oGv/BaSi8qH3o0J/nT6gvjS60G7N5lLBGPoPcHvgr4RUrPa8NrLSvp9jrX ePfWN5NFVshocKNq0+l4WCd/rRK4RGIZqDSuS2zu4GlxfitJFakqflWiNlilONGuP9eU BO05uCuCOGGGiMyMorEfZdzx3RrR54yQLMpYAuKGZP7mUqVXzWqFLrLSpjT1mY5zFFXA CCdQ== b20mr3707479qcq.96.1366286953285; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.51.97 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:09:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <712f8adb.6d8403.13e19cbc7b6.Webtop.45@charter.net> <516F23B2.8020105@charter.net> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:09:13 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Glenn Franco Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire race car on EBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net nice looking car, too bad it is across the water...it might sell quicker....looks like someone spent some time on it...it's in "Bill B. " backyard over there ! On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Nicely done > I have the same flares on my race car. > Any organizations accept those for vintage or do I have to convert back to > steel? > Can I do Steel Flares? > Glenn > > > On 4/17/2013 4:59 PM, Jeff Senty wrote: > >> Hmmm, wife says nooooo >> >> Jeff Senty >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, George Harmuth wrote: >> >> Spitfire race car with a lightweight trailer for sale on eBay, starting >>> price $4K, no reserve, no financial interest on my part. >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/Triumph-Spitfire-** >>> Spitfire-/200915790424?_trksi >>> d=p3984.m1423.l2649&**ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&**forcev4exp=true >>> >>> Oh yea, bad news, it's on an island >>> >>> >>> mike h >>> >>> G. Michael Harmuth >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/fot/gp89@charter.net >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/fot/gaf3@charter.net >> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 07:34:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059C644279 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78DD42A48 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2EAA4C092 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6uLmgIh1i5RG for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 308BBA4C087 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: To: References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:20:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only 3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank, Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights, and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that the car still pulled well in OD. That's an expensive 3 seconds... I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy with marketing the car. BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new > race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market. > > Details at www.tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 07:49:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AF5453B5 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3531D4426C for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:41:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3IDe9Cu014500; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:40:15 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: , References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:40:09 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac48OUpwGOEYDcjrQLuEPZD9lVsI/gAANYFg a=jW3DY-P2piMA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=WJ4RluNKRDcV5lSwv9wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=4kGO-VTUE2e7P0vR:21 a=qpPeJh8tZPbAYvH_:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04@tr4racer.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only 3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank, Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights, and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that the car still pulled well in OD. That's an expensive 3 seconds... I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy with marketing the car. BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new > race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market. > > Details at www.tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 08:36:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B637E44DDF for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D5E942AFB for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1912 invoked by uid 0); 18 Apr 2013 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2013 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from [70.194.137.55] (port=1271 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1USpq7-0005hQ-L0; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:29:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:29:26 -0500 To: "john hasty" ,, From: Tony Drews References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local> {sentby:smtp auth 70.194.137.55 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Agreed! Best racing I've had in a while. My old Speedsters took just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine. Tony Drews At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote: >Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! > > >John H. Hasty >Attorney At Law >Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >719 East Boulevard >Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >Tele: (704) 372-5600 >Fax: (704) 372-4601 >E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >www.gdhs.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of yellow04@tr4racer.com >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:21 AM >To: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > >The old yellow car got dragged down to VIR last weekend with a significantly >less potent engine, and the results were pretty cool. My lap times were only >3 seconds off where I would have been with the 7000+ rpm cam, Moldex crank, >Carrillo rods, pop up pistons, Abacus head, etc. VIR has two long straights, >and I was thinking the car would lay down on me there, but that was not the >case. I shifted at 5500, used overdrive only in 4th, and was pleased that >the car still pulled well in OD. > >That's an expensive 3 seconds... > >I updated the website with more info and pictures, and I am getting busy >with marketing the car. > >BTW, I got inundated with the question what am I building. Don't worry, I >will not get tossed out of the Triumph Ghetto! > >Henry >yellow04@tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >Subject: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > > > > Sorry for the commercial blast gang, but I'm getting serious about my new > > race car project, so it's time to put my TR4 race car on the market. > > > > Details at www.tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 08:53:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFA942E29 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D09425B7 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B83AA4C092 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id syBsCAGA+ofI for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9C723A4C08B for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:31 -0400 (EDT) From: To: References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local> <20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon! Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a repeat at Summit Point next month! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > Agreed! Best racing I've had in a while. My old Speedsters took just > enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine. > > Tony Drews > > At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote: >>Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 12:34:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E1744272 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A89C43120 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=RqVq0vh3ZATaBIMkvbYmdw==:17 a=rFPKhR4WJ3EA:10 a=jW3DY-P2piMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=e2gjuxrneeMA:10 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=6TT85W95GY3qJu1SD9EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=RqVq0vh3ZATaBIMkvbYmdw==:117 Received: from [166.137.150.194] ([166.137.150.194:37894] helo=[10.53.224.215]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 99/1C-02984-05730715; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:11:28 +0000 References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local> <20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> From: Bob Kramer Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500 To: "" Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to figure out how to get to 170hp :) Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, wrote: > No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have > thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon! > > Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping > him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a > repeat at Summit Point next month! > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > > >> Agreed! Best racing I've had in a while. My old Speedsters took just >> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine. >> >> Tony Drews >> >> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote: >>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 12:46:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622594484F for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A8442AC8 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A96A4C092; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qW1XZ+Y6N1Ig; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AD9A7A4C08B; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "Bob Kramer" References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local> <20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Moldex, Carillo's, Gillaners #24 cam, custom pop up pistons, Abacus head and some dyno time got me 145 at the rear wheels. I extrapolated the 170... ;-) Like I said, that was a lot of cash for 3 seconds! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to figure out how to get to 170hp :) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 13:35:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051DC449C0 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F164942954 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=jW3DY-P2piMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=e2gjuxrneeMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=pSMPGFj0Nrugiae7SvoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:62367] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 42/17-06694-52A40715; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:31:49 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Bob Kramer'" , References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local> <20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:31:51 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac48YznUNNhev/xzRHisz90R+t/YHwAB6qiQ Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as his next racer. Well we all know how accurate rumors are. Probably started by a jealous MG jockey! ;-) russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:11 PM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to figure out how to get to 170hp :) Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, wrote: > No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could > have thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon! > > Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is > stopping him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, > hoping for a repeat at Summit Point next month! > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > > >> Agreed! Best racing I've had in a while. My old Speedsters took >> just enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine. >> >> Tony Drews >> >> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote: >>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 13:51:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117DB42D84 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442C242D4F for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=e2gjuxrneeMA:10 a=RDXLaIG_QyK-rK9WTm8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:46357] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 17/8E-02984-15E40715; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:49:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:49:37 +0000 From: Randall Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Spitfire Racing wrote: > Well, what's worse is the rumor Henry is getting a Citroen 2CV prepped as > his next racer. 170hp in a 2CV. As Jeff Foxworthy said, "That's a bad mental image, right there." Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 15:52:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD90E4291D for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:52:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F293F428E4 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS2 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:50:03 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Bob Kramer" , References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:50:03 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:50:03 -0400 FILETIME=[AE80B720:01CE3C7E] Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The last increments of performance are always the most costly. It was ever thus. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 16:11:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A58444C8 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:11:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E224432D for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:17 a=02x9Fjxtek4A:10 a=jW3DY-P2piMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=e2gjuxrneeMA:10 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=5OMeSrkyRGp0t8fek4sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:117 Received: from [206.16.105.224] ([206.16.105.224:36379] helo=[192.38.12.38]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F8/DC-25887-23D60715; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:01:22 +0000 References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local> <02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local> <20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> From: Bob Kramer Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:01:19 -0500 To: "" Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ......when we are not wondering just what yellow demon Henry is concocting in his man cave. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to > figure out how to get to 170hp :) > > Bob Kramer > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, wrote: > >> No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have >> thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon! >> >> Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping >> him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a >> repeat at Summit Point next month! >> >> Henry >> yellow04@tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tony Drews" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car >> >> >>> Agreed! Best racing I've had in a while. My old Speedsters took just >>> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine. >>> >>> Tony Drews >>> >>> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote: >>>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 11:41:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2744283A for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7BB4055B for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.53]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130419142428217.GFMF3294@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:24:28 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JQRN8_7DkDoA:10 a=uO_5f3SXMuJMS7dug2gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=+by6gQTzBq/Fycr5ZpaVeQ==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.98] ([10.127.132.98:57493] helo=cdptpa-web07-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 48/8C-11869-F5351715; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:23:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:23:27 -0400 From: To: fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 Weber DCOE manifold Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Searching for a Weber 45 dcoe manifold for the big 4 cyl TR to buy. Just the manifold. Any leads are much appreciated. Thxx, Bbob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 11:51:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502DC403F7 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout13.eigbox.net (bosmailout13.eigbox.net [66.96.189.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4035403E4 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan12.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.12]) by bosmailout13.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UTCUl-000809-16 for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:40:59 -0400 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan12.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UTCUk-0005Hm-Ju for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:40:58 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp05.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.5]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id Rqgy1l00D06Zqne01qgy9l; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:40:58 -0400 a=ggZSX/jlmC2elxj1XBnN1A==:17 a=3-MZCWuAnnEA:10 a=RX8tkc3Y1JsA:10 a=Y43IA2vAWgpIBOYp6_gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rMPlINbINBmXjmYy-JYA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tquRfZ4u5-TNkTwZ:21 a=eBvjjtMVdWwtQGedh7GyLg==:117 Received: from ppp-70-253-78-27.dsl.austtx.swbell.net ([70.253.78.27] helo=zap6) by bosauthsmtp05.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1UTCUk-0007xY-3T for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:40:58 -0400 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:40:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac49C+DtanjTDVzCTjy9+dNuWp6elw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody have any experience with Specifically the 7.25 inch V-drive. This will be for an 1147 Spitfire. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 11:57:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750AC428EA for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85B440EB0 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm26.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 17:56:27 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.210] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 17:56:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 17:56:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366394187; bh=lQTKxHqmj4gUFHWcAX3GyPyLNUhVdzgzp2Nv+Tqxi2Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GPeZS7EHijWpXPownFvklbt2Czaj+L9muI2B6RN3USDpjgOc6jVJ94PDTzswlfRWZ0dGJJx5YlSfKEvJnsiqDQfo22z6ZTXH4BlKNoHO4rFGycbua8tzsCeXVNvY122oY28b/74DpS6VWUkRMvJ5/LsFfNdWFPVgOuVhMU8V0bI= taVd8d3G_RBHwHu_pBDqijJa8i78wlr9ZCPfjXspxlIeclwWO2_7eKhRIg3n 47UBFMC7Sem.2KuWrSNPhlRDKz4WDpJEEKC35Kam_litoqrpbPejs5xj6S0c fSLSfiCcbLqEmz68KAbQNHWh.04b1_H7e8co4QrDk_XGCZNKST4QftKN33cv OGgF1_3QeQ58hVsdXmZu9BuSJTlgRYHe2Yq1xBdwrUN4i8tMEG_utKtj8meh iKPzvvdRk4X0G5dWY0pV70_zGKQfGQzWQfXmkpEalkHD7ZKKgarfBHW9aOhm AMafczUDP8vscDUVg6TNrTSZJxzB40TQvJNdgvh.mULtSL30n.2WH0UYMy9J u2YO6sQzKIESSG5FA4HxWRK.iUfIHKpxHhmOLtLS_Pv4M3A_Y8LsRcOn98TZ lQxLRdamhmUCnKpkMEkU2oBIVvY51PCXkMroWDU7jrIP8_Ou8ayUMxz0sp.J lVTL_rcbAQeHoxhdXKLzNi3rpHaEtDe5scBvuXx3rP5h6Soo403CSKA-- plain) by smtp221.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2013 10:56:27 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:56:16 -0400 From: Doug Mitchell To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Is the list working? I have not received any FOT emails for several days. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All of a sudden, I am receiving a number of emails from the last 4-5 days. Thought I'd been dropped the list as well. Burped up a whole bunch. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Mark J Bradakis wrote: >Mike Mehl wrote: >> You guys didn't kick me off did you? >> >> > >Yahoo did. Don't blame me. > >mjb. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 12:41:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21C9429ED for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4693403D9 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD06AA4C091 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YjtFdjcSysiF for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2B8BCA4C087 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Cc: References: <42BBFE907C2347339EF82E8ACD2DE1A7@TRIUMPH.local><02794BB04A9A4EF59D743DEB03B2F259@gdhs.local><20130418142937.3154DA4C092@tr.ccfot.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:42:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Truer words were never spoken... Does make me wonder how I got here, though... Wait, oh, yeah... I remember now! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Stetler Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car The last increments of performance are always the most costly. It was ever thus. Terry Stetler _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 16:08:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BCB40EBD for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f50.google.com (mail-bk0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C5A400A5 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id jg9so229723bkc.23 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:07:02 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=rNxiZ/hzyZ3XYPlWoQ2NsIGbUg0xlwFbea8ADPcWmBw=; b=j+vzU0sbPR6HT9wVnjXdrC0rEe6p55xTajt1D5dSOrlm8sDXPFId4FNzYtZoYbEnCg AR2uUHYOfqOXVp9hmh3AAf77eVM4a1o50bD/D6bSrLx6Ai3rVYLGgWn7499jrLMjzvoL BIosB2qJpiQ2sMf8yQsRteo6yqmdY2i/lg1OAQ944fYVWk/mK1mHvaS3xWINzMXdvcuN q3nIZk4U85kNkWwttj93hWHCS4c7PeFzxC2H5eESIXDNZJPplghX2zyZkUVP41hhq/8N D1ZXsp7IsmqKtfmoM9EANH4MK6Cvu7WYKkOYdRUWXy0nGqJm8naHeujkrTQGCXFEGj9g 9fCA== cv9mr6540011bkc.108.1366409222053; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-46-133-226.web.vodafone.de. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well..some tuning did make it better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRODEzC5GmY &feature=youtu.be Cheers Chris (Maybe I should develop GM cars?) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 17:19:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B529140E65 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBBB4053C for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 23:17:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 23:17:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 74369 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2013 23:17:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366413451; bh=SP0bQcqzdTwkv/j8pWcJaDORHslw1fNhV4+2+gtOHec=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mc97U8yFUnOwAGfC2+F6AtpNy4OCj1MFQE+13IUjXuDZB9xEzm7Zo1pYC45FG+9xbQVPcPO0pIyk+UymFoi0JoxUVMawOeFv9YSggzh7KDMDsf93RwUCmB3D/IK+xO3s/PF6LhoMYnoQc2C41KcUaeoQOd7OwU2JBQxTuCNmL08= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YarFyb9mO1btqQmTdDn8hotsvWkfnATi1xJkiqQxBV/3YAl/OLgWX6UxzwiruMMuZAnAzv2kTnr0N8Ast6PwxtkMGOCue49RTJW7Z4G3GKV9VY3ED66z3ivZHCOSCxQwiBMCzFwxBUwMOsbbnhf608FDwa8LVyyNVRP1Zq+FK1g=; GtDHOb_K3w2knelaItnKI3qm.o.RXGlXqh.s8sRe2L70uqXKinQlU4KKHjc5 BGbNvPE138Byk.dINVyHWtuOx7avvi3.SvUeBqBGKkAvqPKvUAfKh2LQtczS 7mfMLddz8o4JX5MikZeXDwY1V0XPZsQMQgipnePXMnaGOdA1gu5newmMW6uN DU1f1BT1crQ4QtEyuIGnkAavlA9hEPAGJ9J62piPx69dgdyWqFQjlkHqAYNf vmxoGzL.jVSJxgkz31MU.JXPsdzqaDXo9YfKEaRAruooHAdx477YTNqWNnBa .OTKZjwoyLP88XtdeuM9DBRSS4SDYgBn0OdsLfPfF5eBn2JnaFILZfzVNhzC XVs446lqOlHn.vd_c6VCow2EQbwgwGsSljBUsiby9h1KSGijTzxsJREsYIRV _RkiU8NUvH9uwcEI0Zum_varjGYu8_gQ.x4IuDGaM_RylUA-- Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:17:31 PDT SW4gY2hlY2tpbmcgdGlyZSB0ZW1wcyBpbiBvcmRlciB0byBkZXRlcm1pbmUgYmVzdCBwcmVzc3VyZSwgaXQgbG9va3MgbGlrZSB0aGUgCm1pZGRsZSB0ZW1wIGNhbiBiZSBhIGJpdCBkZWNlaXZpbmcuwqAgQWZ0ZXIgdGlyZXMgd2VyZSB1cCB0byB0ZW1wLCBJIGxvd2VyZWQgdGhlIApwcmVzc3VyZSA0IGRlZ3JlZXMgYW5kIHRoZSBjZW50ZXIgdG8gdGhlIG91dHNpZGVzIGNoYW5nZWQgdmVyeSBsaXR0bGUuwqAgVGhpcyBpcyAKYXV0b2Nyb3NzaW5nLsKgIFdvdWxkIGl0IGJlIGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlIGNhciAoVFIBMAEBAQE- References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tire temp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In checking tire temps in order to determine best pressure, it looks like the middle temp can be a bit deceiving. After tires were up to temp, I lowered the pressure 4 degrees and the center to the outsides changed very little. This is autocrossing. Would it be because the car (TR6) is light? Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 18:27:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64DD40555 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C0C4038B for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S0511l0051HpZEsA30RbLy; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:25:35 +0000 Received: from sz0095.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S0Ra1l00H2xZMJ48a0RawR; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:25:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:25:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim%20Roelofs To: Mike Moore s=q20121106; t=1366417535; bh=6uu++Nv9oWZHf8sEHbNprGTPskLDg0foaCaSJAy6l/E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Kj2+1MWmta10iwRZZGffbyXVmYvaIo1Qi4evEW0GE0vjh06Cm9g3AtHMzzIkTtpGo 1WDQxxuJSDiSeXZ9QwTDsyiP17mnDx8g+BH0TO0+OVmdyWW/5noo1tY7AwXrYTkAHE BKD7DrrmOetZlbIs+oIRpbjDSRt1/0wa9nvFjDHb6zSvzv2d3adF/Q2SFlNYyqYzof cGlqcROB2WCAoGg/j2kNHM228LyPjCs4fuW0k976G4FCyB/rBV8Jo9oGYo38uq0d+J 7/ZW1p1Eiw4K56vhm6gGBIrbozyv0uuemnemLxuL6DhCAV0rOGQRS6g0fB4MMrtxLS Bmvs4xs3yTGFg== Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? Jim Roelofs 303-862-7270 (h) 720-321-1165 (w) bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit B Thanks Mike B Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 B Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 18:42:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705BA40EBF for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EED4403C6 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:40:49 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: Jim%20Roelofs Thread-Topic: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Thread-Index: Ac47lMKObA3MpGiyRLKmO+4d2N6TtQB8rjQA//+wcfY= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:40:49 +0000 References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net>, <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That was the same price listed here in Appleton, but there was a $2 per quart credit at the register. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 Jim%20Roelofs wrote: That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? Jim Roelofs 303-862-7270 (h) 720-321-1165 (w) bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit B Thanks Mike B Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 B Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 19:34:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D9C424B8 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E1B403C6 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:34:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k7so968019oag.2 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=hGM1LAqNInr6Scb9zgydlcqdei2BmnBprR3afXWqclM=; b=Rku7ArEDXHvHQGIREG2rLxb2dUHhOO9PQ0DlPRnDdeonc1bn0Nc+0lV6eH5DEGzfn9 4UmY2aol7myVSjJf0ORr4sNNpP9S9VGycIc4Xu5RKul3kjt3FewRkdQAnDHZc8Q3VR2W /s9VFAkr0R9nL+YBNAyfzRvEXdQDQN2rIIIov9rt5sNlv4Mp4Fq4mdFvkGywBuMYZbPi M/CR6uJ/iiv5daXu4WsRae8hPmhgNI9tIt+psAYCgHyl9Ij1W72RLHNcdmu4B4TQ73jn UcBOVYuaITdvRRif4IhKhowkgOE/qVs/0tNtrbmkk/e14snQTU61eXS3IknSRqVClXkr tbng== rg1mr8082552oeb.125.1366421620820; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl7sm7516375obb.0.2013.04.19.18.33.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:33:36 -0500 References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> To: Jim%20Roelofs Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3 per quart. Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for along time. The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what the current net price was, but there was no discount. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM > Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit > > B > > Thanks > > Mike _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 20:05:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B8442538 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B96403C7 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.230.198.155] (65.sub-174-237-42.myvzw.com [174.237.42.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3K24g5o013866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:04:45 -0400 References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:04:39 -0400 To: Jim%20Roelofs a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=+am50NYOOkbyiXDjGa6Yng==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=7N_aJbbPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=8Fvy4Sy3hieZa6ITqfMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3TjBS_HDoMA:10 a=-bfGKXCfm74A:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=INQB15XkED0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=+am50NYOOkbyiXDjGa6Yng==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil? If you want the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs wrote: > That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? > > > Jim Roelofs > 303-862-7270 (h) > 720-321-1165 (w) > bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM > Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit > > B > > Thanks > > Mike > > B > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > B > > Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 > > Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 20:51:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510F0424C6 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0749E40568 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLJ0097V9714YC2@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:49:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "John Hasty" , "Jim%20Roelofs" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 22:49:51 -0400 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives. I bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt. In the 70's Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline. With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. ZDDPlus makes it really slippery. NFI. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Jim%20Roelofs" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil? If you > want > the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs wrote: > >> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? >> >> >> Jim Roelofs >> 303-862-7270 (h) >> 720-321-1165 (w) >> bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM >> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil >> >> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit >> >> B >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> B >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> B >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 >> >> Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 21:59:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3670F425BA for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806B740546 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.230.198.155] (65.sub-174-237-42.myvzw.com [174.237.42.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3K3wteo004935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:58:58 -0400 References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 23:58:53 -0400 To: Bill Tobin a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=+am50NYOOkbyiXDjGa6Yng==:17 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=7N_aJbbPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=b-gaf67jpkSX9jMs0dQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3TjBS_HDoMA:10 a=-bfGKXCfm74A:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=INQB15XkED0A:10 a=+am50NYOOkbyiXDjGa6Yng==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I apologize.... The devil made me do it! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their "Non-street legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives. > I bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt. > In the 70's Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline. > With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. ZDDPlus makes it really slippery. > NFI. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" > To: "Jim%20Roelofs" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > >> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil? If you want >> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs wrote: >> >>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? >>> >>> >>> Jim Roelofs >>> 303-862-7270 (h) >>> 720-321-1165 (w) >>> bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Moore" >>> To: "FOT" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM >>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil >>> >>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit >>> >>> B >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> B >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> B >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 04:24:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A991E427B2 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A6D40E49 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:23:55 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XgLvqdRbgNcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=7N_aJbbPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=HYlJ4635n-RIuMXlgVsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3TjBS_HDoMA:10 a=-bfGKXCfm74A:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=INQB15XkED0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=xudAcmYYdK1N0jjb:21 a=8SHCnXflqeFJ3va8:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:49373] helo=Russlaptop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CF/C4-12729-98C62715; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:23:05 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Jim%20Roelofs'" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:23:03 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac49a398vprmGCzsSbSdSovTDpbVrQAQVoCg Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running "vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. Maybe you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn. Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of a few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the big picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be. Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure. These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose wisely!" I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet engines. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM To: Jim%20Roelofs Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil? If you want the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs wrote: > That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? > > > Jim Roelofs > 303-862-7270 (h) > 720-321-1165 (w) > bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM > Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit > > B > > Thanks > > Mike > > B > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > B > > Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 > > Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 05:34:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C615427C5 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A1742460 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7813F70000096 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mub004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mub004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.192.78]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 509B0E000082 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT) References: <8CFE382118DD0ED-16CC-A1DA3@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> <8D00B974909DF27-16C0-1452F@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com> To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-d205.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.113) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366457594; bh=hbWfW7PE495S60ZRRHnf326umaRnpxsH1NbSW0OHW6E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BsSd51+q11O2NtFFjYahJXSW0By1WK/Z5VrGarQv3U9DRwEUeZPXfruIjouTmQgBM SfezOCU4IjR+DfKdgkIdGETBvjtaXMkXE83sP3SCZ/EWs4Gm6E7fIFVe41SU0XWZTo O3ajpVYLyGyLzFxM8obgwDrxYDwlgdqi5SS0Ay0w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290951727cfa2c32 Subject: [Fot] Hawaii...And Triumph Race Car. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT Robert asked me to post this.....(Robert is the guy that had TR2 TS1 LO with us at Watkins Glen. He has since sold TS1 LO and appears to selling off the rest of his car collection) Oddly, I was minutes away from the Spitfire, but never saw it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Aloha, Joe! Would you mind, as a favor, simply posting on FoT for the members to take a look at eBay Item number: 200915790424 Thank you, Joe. The car has a bid at $4000 and I will likely keep it on eBay and sell on Sunday, but the trailer, spare Panasports and new sticky tires, spare parts, and manuals/provenance make the car a real bargain at $4000. Thanks so much, and come back and see us! Robert P. Smith _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 05:36:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADDC42537 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39842460 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [12.228.244.202] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:37:42 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'Jim%20Roelofs'" References: <008401ce3b94$c2dd6190$489824b0$@net> <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:35:20 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac49Xehd1kaJrsm7S8G1vzDhBWBvmwAXS8MA Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes I got it for 3.99 qt Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From: Jim%20Roelofs [mailto:bluebit@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:26 PM To: Mike Moore Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? Jim Roelofs 303-862-7270 (h) 720-321-1165 (w) bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) _____ From: "Mike Moore" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 05:41:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5EE4283F for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF4942537 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLJ004JSXR0CE20@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:40:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Spitfire Racing" , "'John Hasty'" , "'Jim%20Roelofs'" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:40:14 -0400 Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's not always all about price. Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, why not? I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it? That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'John Hasty'" ; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > Why would someone risk their engine for the sake of a few dollars cheaper > oil? Let's put this in perspective. The cost of a reasonable running > "vintage" engine these days runs between $5k and $10k, some even more. > Maybe > you can save $12 on each oil change but that is nothing compared to the > expense of a refresh or rebuild of an engine. I am not a petro-chemical > engineer but have read reports by some who are. The impressions I got is > that by far the safest and easiest way to insure proper amounts of > lubrication additives was to go with an oil like Brad Penn. > Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinions but if the saving of > a > few dollars is a primary parameter in your choice of oil, do look at the > big > picture. Vintage racing is expensive these days and will continue to be. > Auger into your considerations also the cost of entry and transportation > fees for a weekend where you become a spectator due to an engine failure. > These are significant sums for many of us. To coin a clichi; "Choose > wisely!" > > I even use B.P. in the street cars in my collection with flat tappet > engines. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Hasty > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:05 PM > To: Jim%20Roelofs > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil? If you > want > the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs wrote: > >> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? >> >> >> Jim Roelofs >> 303-862-7270 (h) >> 720-321-1165 (w) >> bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM >> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil >> >> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit >> >> B >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> B >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> B >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 >> >> Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 05:43:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6196B4283E for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BF340396 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLJ00BM3XTXL410@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:41:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "John Hasty" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <9407477AB7E2476FB264F0AF719108D3@hpd530> <3BBAB028-8158-4E76-85F3-C823B5165E13@gdhs.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:42:00 -0400 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net List: my reply went straight to John. End of discussion. Peace, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Bill Tobin" Cc: "Jim%20Roelofs" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > Ah..... Obviously a democrat, give them someone else's stuff and you have > their vote forever..... Oops, sorry, I couldn't help it........ I > apologize.... The devil made me do it! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> Just did. VR1 has slightly less zinc and phosphorus than their >> "Non-street legal" racing oil. But still high in both additives. >> I bought some today at my local parts store for $5.14/qt. >> In the 70's Valvoline gave the guys I was working with lots of free oil. >> Kendall didn't. So I'm still using Valvoline. >> With STP, which has always been high in ZDDP, even before ZDDP was cool. >> ZDDPlus makes it really slippery. >> NFI. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" >> To: "Jim%20Roelofs" >> Cc: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil >> >> >>> Did no one read the analysis of VR 1 that is only regular oil? If you >>> want >>> the zinc + we need use Brad Pen & be done with it. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Jim%20Roelofs wrote: >>> >>>> That is available in Denver for $5.99/qt. Is that $2.00 off? >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim Roelofs >>>> 303-862-7270 (h) >>>> 720-321-1165 (w) >>>> bluebit@comcast.net (email preferred) >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike Moore" >>>> To: "FOT" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM >>>> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil >>>> >>>> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>>> >>>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>>> >>>> Erie, PA 16508 >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 >>>> >>>> Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bluebit@comcast.net >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 05:48:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4DD4284C for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:48:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7368142537 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [12.228.244.202] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:40:05 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'Duncan Charlton'" , "'Jim%20Roelofs'" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:37:43 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac49Z2s23YAX2MjcSIOBY1SfCzjV2AAU+gEA Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price was $5.99 and I got them for $3.99 Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM To: Jim%20Roelofs Cc: Mike Moore; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only $3 per quart. Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for along time. The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see what the current net price was, but there was no discount. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM > Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit > > B > > Thanks > > Mike _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 07:39:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BB74295F for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D3C42939 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F3DA4C092 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHAcqd7xfI4S for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ABDB2A4C08B for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "'FOT'" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/vr1_racing.pdf VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard. A couple years back when the whole flat tappet cam failure issue was in full swing, somebody explained it to me this way... The problem was caused when our government made mandates involving additives to motor oil. They didn't want stuff in the oil of our daily drivers that tended to plug up catalitic converters and perhaps gum up sensors. It's all about emmissions and mileage, the idea of protecting an engine as best we can is no longer the top priority. So the API ratings for motor oil were amended to limit how much good stuff goes into the additive packages. . Real racing oil has no API rating, it can't qualify for one. The additive packages we want are outside the limits set by the API. It's your engine, run whatever you like, but rest assured the VR-1 you buy today is a distant relative of the VR-1 you ran when the bottle had an API rating of "SJ". Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 07:46:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CF342982 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995A242891 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id tb18so86654obb.0 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :to:references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=waBdbc1vpbHvpSl5CItpN0ygiF2tuUkb6UAgEqliMJw=; b=wPXskAwr+CwS+g8Izuc9aH82JD1GUR7fszaEhJsKNd6A5mIRFcQXo1US0quirKvRzV R5wckKc3Vgat7IwliKLaUklFQxPbOcVlCBRuvCCgN0JugiX2SW3Eod8xWiVngTU59u+8 tk9stU8o1dwJlGBTTQb/TdA4wAtlmqUkphe4txrkhTPfb847U8CMhB5iJS7spBOyG01F jmkUkwsG0cDF8DRXK3E+vQKL1IoCtzKO9SfLVT9MVtsjlAcN8kWmC8ae80yeSQYh0+9K rtvxhDhZomLFJj9zZM5l1M4P0+qJqPFVHtkN371RajqkV8OEK3USPpPjiMMrGhmA4Pw4 fnZw== or4mr6522958oeb.112.1366465538406; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id zc8sm10219556obc.8.2013.04.20.06.45.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:45:35 -0500 To: FOT of References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions on bobistheoilguy.com. It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP. Some consider 1800ppm to be the upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary. Mobile 1 racing oils have 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300. Depending on what research one sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm. Aircraft mechanics point out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted to confirm that). Duncan (using Rotella 15W40) Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > It's not always all about price. > Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, why not? > I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it? > That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like. > Cheers, Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 09:44:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3B8403EC for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB974032C for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id kp14so2814577pab.36 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FItR8I1j7UTevtW0qdZt2WUKm/yEXt+fvzisQfEEc1k=; b=X3I2XhOUJKD+bXyl7y26dgW4nUWv2oM+DjPtdjqehEK4mAsKH7FqxOTHa2VSrDuKW1 f1GTjDIt5CHWe2i6aeMZSHK1YPGUMedPmYVEeO4Gra+DLp4EUWyw9pq0qIyIpJALvaRX udgbiSAd0IK93Y1YHJtrj2PgR7pV9ndMc8C6hzp8XlRb2QDHs8toyz38/AgXU3N+1Qzr jgMwxN/5gv26mEtVMJfcfbvqvTEOR8kHjz1VYqqN436k4Fvhe0lee95h4MFwkX7P5Xpn ASYcu9NdAgVoARmBhaOt1zt3tlqvqro3LLuxzLQB02tuKi4jDBSZHUeCvlnNx6Flxacd bA0g== ea2mr23744682pbb.129.1366472597535; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.161.131 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:43:17 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Racing Oil?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Saw the info on the $2 off, went to autozone. Bought 50W VR-1 Racing oil for the discount. I presume this is different than just VR-1 in its flat tappet protecting properties? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 10:00:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9E642A04 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5360640539 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2013 15:59:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.75] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2013 15:59:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2013 15:59:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24160 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2013 15:59:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366473590; bh=FzQu4Aa1t2pjnS1Bvk9a00gWMNNvGkL0GxGmfzY3lGc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZatnenyOM70qgvf1/1xoxoZKJCEjRxy1CNvCuG8B3EPIY0cnan6NcgF25VsoGdOZ1H3RT7haTHrm4b+iG3MsSaskYaBA6EsTfXQ0oA6sSht+IZ5ACG9SVp7isw71ufnskpE4zkyzdH4ENmWKO66T70CL+PgPZiMnd/5hVaF5Oy0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vaLN6HtcgQzaRGRCkjsx37fg+1mG8YDSHQ5/sAiyCINKgURHm8nDta3VCMlkLVUOzZZhnhpe/VxSJo2GLSypS2DxVZsQoMsTDsJeOaLPwgHlJMxwAmJaD4H7mgCBZ0umcaHyiqZGfZkbpsp3lhxO/poG4ngro3BulgQqMwz0n0c=; XXXGOzqwFoK7AIUR2DTUZsAXjSNjMXgs4roOzz65rbT7y554M8mQmCGZMG1X q2OOeAYWgNedAxPI44Nko9oYNEhOnBSRwwSGJ0cDqAKY95z_LX8hxqVEnRXG 6LMzgMPd0RQzAzvwPVLdT3zeNvQwFDfS5Un8RYvIZyB9GX0I6qZ66NpI7xd9 gDpYZgqUFL2B6hmAY475io3YCicfeLsU.40ZU573_olsbU9b5Kxc.xqgdLiC Y7IX9Ktf.t7rzRGioaU7dehfQAstYOUZYpUIezXLNsvlXdxYi8D56QYTVap9 Uvcg72ZSD6rSfeVkRLJmRhRpJV98DMArxbq3c9EBOw5f3xvSrA6iwG738SJy O0_heOzOkUq68JTwcXclhYntwzDeDNujv4YSsl7CsbfrnEfb9iFCkS3g9MCa GslpcOibdj2eFWw5MIeGb5GFSZTXbU1JezJI9ylUraG4.sd.XVbwiW0ltxgU Cfi4OhpAPZYRHDI_JrXzZw5Ria7WBH03W0a469ODOMXjjZ5qeaLpfwZIkeqG PtJtBGTSN43G1nBUXqEitrexEwPOUzMio7601zPouUrniNp.ehHHHY_Eh.4t lrBh9z2ouelg634pAYVQNTNDB.I84bvE- Received: from [99.162.149.142] by web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:59:50 PDT SSdtIGp1c3QgZmluaXNoaW5nIHVwIGEgcmVidWlsZCB3aGljaCBpbmNsdWRlZCBhIHJlZ3JvdW5kIGNhbSBhbmQgYWxsIG5ldyAKdGFwcGV0cy4gUHJldmlvdXMgT3duZXIgd2FzIHJ1bm5pbmcgQ2FzdHJvbCBHVFgsIHdoaWNoIGFwcGFyZW50bHkgZG9lc24ndCB3b3JrIAp2ZXJ5IHdlbGwgb24gYSBmbGF0IHRhcHBldCByYWNlIG1vdG9yLsKgwqAKCkknbSBsb29raW5nIGF0IGEgY291cGxlIG9mIHF1YXJ0cyBvZiBWUi0xLsKgIFRoZSAxMFctMzAgaXMgU00gcmF0ZWQuwqAgVGhlIG5ld2VyIAoyMFctNTAgaGEBMAEBAQE- References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Pettenati To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't work very well on a flat tappet race motor. I'm looking at a couple of quarts of VR-1. The 10W-30 is SM rated. The newer 20W-50 has no API circle but says " Exceeds SG/CD". An older quart of 20W-50 has an API SM circle. Seems to go along with the stories that Valvoline had recently bumped up the additive package. None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be avoided at all costs. Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil. Being overly cautious after all the horror stories about flat tappet damage, I just pulled the head after about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is well and is breaking in nicely. Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were hardness checked. Work was done by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an educational experience. Cheers, Tim ----- Original Message ---- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT of Sent: Sat, April 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions on bobistheoilguy.com. It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP. Some consider 1800ppm to be the upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary. Mobile 1 racing oils have 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300. Depending on what research one sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm. Aircraft mechanics point out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted to confirm that). Duncan (using Rotella 15W40) Texas 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > It's not always all about price. > Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, why not? > I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it? > That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like. > Cheers, Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 10:33:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F308E42A2E for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDAE42A0A for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:33:31 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XgLvqdRbgNcA:10 a=z7WguhpOi1mY-gSZfykA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F0/F0-11869-623C2715; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:32:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'FOT'" Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:32:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac49zFbYnpGaihz1RuuyZx4FmN66qgAFxgmw Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > VR-1 carries an API rating of "SN". This is the most current standard. However, "SN" only limits phosphorous content for low viscosity oils, like 10W30 and down. If you read the spec carefully, you'll find that VR1 only carries "SN" in 20W50, which is exempt from the phosphorous (and hence ZDDP) restriction. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 11:47:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FCA42A74 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011C342969 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLK00D2KEP96K70@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:46:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mike Moore" , "'Duncan Charlton'" , "'Jim%20Roelofs'" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <716237C1-5AD2-4E64-B9E2-60981A56A07B@gmail.com> <002b01ce3dbb$795d4f20$6c17ed60$@net> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:46:24 -0400 Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I was at 38th and Peach and got some VR1 and also picked up some 30weight regular Valvoline for $2 a qt. Great for some of my old tractors. Stay warm, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'Duncan Charlton'" ; "'Jim%20Roelofs'" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > In Erie, the $2 off was on all weights (not synthetic), so marked price > was > $5.99 and I got them for $3.99 > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 2007 West 32nd Street > Erie, PA 16508 > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:34 PM > To: Jim%20Roelofs > Cc: Mike Moore; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Here in central Texas I saw 50 wt VR-1 at $5.99/qt but 60 weight at only > $3 > per quart. Labels looked dark as though they'd been around the store for > along time. The person at the counter scanned a 50-wt container to see > what > the current net price was, but there was no discount. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > #6 red > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:55:34 AM >> Subject: [Fot] VR-1 Oil >> >> Auto Zone has it on sale $2 off a quart, no limit >> >> B >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 11:50:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24694051C for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB50840519 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MLK00DGRETS6K70@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:49:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Duncan Charlton" , "FOT of" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:49:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I didn't realize Rotelle T was that high. I use it in my Diesel tractors and my old pickup. Also my old Oliver 1650. Good stuff. Thanks for the info. Bill P.S. The new Hemi uses 5w-20. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT of" Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > Just to refresh my memory I had a look at some of the archived discussions > on > bobistheoilguy.com. It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of > the > fact that it's not all about maximum ZDDP. Some consider 1800ppm to be > the > upper safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that > anything > above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary. Mobile 1 racing oils have > 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race > oils > have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300. Depending on what research > one > sees, an adequate level ought to be 1100-1500ppm. Aircraft mechanics > point > out that oil viscosity has something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- > those > who are flying non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and > wiped > out lobes are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one > mechanic > mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't > attempted > to confirm that). > > Duncan (using Rotella 15W40) > Texas > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > #6 red > > On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > >> It's not always all about price. >> Maybe you like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual > stuff, why not? >> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had > sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it? >> That's why there are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like. >> Cheers, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 22:36:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE9442B85 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD0B42573 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 22:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id h1so81671oag.31 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:35:09 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=6ovfqaGw0PoNz/Ud1lgflQVZJ3acfCV+Mnp6sSCa2eo=; b=qvGLjVoHNjh/x4OTT7ej7KH8QQnHvqLJ0PQBqK4Jp0jwtvR6kwZSvZhNSWCY/9UBD+ lSEpNT/mpvwcU+Pgq6EV4rslMTRC7G+XdcilidFOmeTRtVpiTCW29+J4GEOXTGYfrkYS kK7ifQDLPh6Y7J6OctNk7FkZAeBMm0GQqlf9JVmSzIlzmjRfhytWWm72dQL3Pf4iMgc+ U1m11YrHDJzcYM1+hIhKcvN7o4NcIMibb3C9PYCcSIpl0ZSrpcwkRJcX9LyIayxb//gf wq62YA6eHQiNhvpkFe1GHg0e7NOQ0yggEAtA84a5Ht+FvxtNmw/Yg5nMs53A7qdthPnL zUXA== qm4mr7068314obb.101.1366518909585; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id zc8sm12982755obc.8.2013.04.20.21.35.08 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:35:07 -0500 References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com> <1366473590.24092.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine. Seems it wasn't a good idea. He said, "It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the pistons, crank, the works." Duncan On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all new > tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently doesn't work > very well on a flat tappet race motor. > > I'm looking at a couple of quarts of > VR-1. The 10W-30 is SM rated. The newer > 20W-50 has no API circle but says " > Exceeds SG/CD". An older quart of 20W-50 > has an API SM circle. Seems to go > along with the stories that Valvoline had > recently bumped up the additive > package. > > None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be > avoided at > all costs. > > Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil. > Being overly cautious after > all the horror stories about flat tappet damage, > I just pulled the head after > about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is > well and is breaking in nicely. > Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were > hardness checked. Work was done > by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting > his shop in Santa Rosa, and it was an > educational experience. > > Cheers, > Tim > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Duncan Charlton > > To: FOT of > Sent: Sat, April > 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Just to refresh my memory I > had a look at some of the archived discussions on > bobistheoilguy.com. It may > not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the > fact that it's not all about > maximum ZDDP. Some consider 1800ppm to be the > upper safe limit due to > corrosion of some camshaft materials and that anything > above 1500ppm after > break-in is unnecessary. Mobile 1 racing oils have > 1750ppm, VR1 conventional > has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, Redline race oils > have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 > has about 1300. Depending on what research one > sees, an adequate level ought > to be 1100-1500ppm. Aircraft mechanics point > out that oil viscosity has > something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those > who are flying non-certified > engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped > out lobes are usually traced > back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic > mentioned that certified > engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't attempted > to confirm that). > > Duncan > (using Rotella 15W40) > Texas > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > #6 red > > On Apr 20, 2013, at > 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > >> It's not always all about price. >> Maybe you > like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual > stuff, why not? >> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have had > sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it? >> That's why there > are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like. >> Cheers, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire@pacbell.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 03:40:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C24540EC3 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A4740EC3 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:40:17 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XgLvqdRbgNcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=bW02Lm3-AAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=YarKIx00AAAA:8 a=cRCPc7CHwCl9blkPyawA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=2axNz7Y-FeYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=q03wWUK6tb4A:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:49209] helo=Russlaptop) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9B/FF-17243-9C3B3715; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:39:21 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Duncan Charlton'" , "'FOT of'" References: <1585658777.963050.1366417534468.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <02775406-BD9B-490D-A44F-EECE5C130B72@gdhs.com> <001201ce3db1$0adca0a0$2095e1e0$@rr.com> <659A0309-8DBB-4BA6-A4E1-4E9BB0CDF572@gmail.com> <1366473590.24092.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <64C03656-3308-4A53-89AA-75C1C0B44731@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:39:17 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4+SbWQqR3qylYiRg6zp4PdcIHfNgAKZIWg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amateur chemists often have similar results. One can only lead a horse to water; can't force him to drink it. Even if it is for his own good. I repeat, "Choose wisely!" Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:35 AM To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil A friend poured a whole quart of what he called "straight ZDDP" into his Morgan's freshly rebuilt TR engine. Seems it wasn't a good idea. He said, "It coated everything in a golden syrup, bunged up the valves, coated the pistons, crank, the works." Duncan On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > I'm just finishing up a rebuild which included a reground cam and all > new tappets. Previous Owner was running Castrol GTX, which apparently > doesn't work > very well on a flat tappet race motor. > > I'm looking at a couple of quarts of > VR-1. The 10W-30 is SM rated. The newer > 20W-50 has no API circle but says " > Exceeds SG/CD". An older quart of 20W-50 has an API SM circle. Seems > to go along with the stories that Valvoline had recently bumped up the > additive package. > > None have the EC ( Energy Conserving) logo, which I'm told should be > avoided at all costs. > > Anyways, I'm breaking in using Joe Gibbs BR oil. > Being overly cautious after > all the horror stories about flat tappet damage, I just pulled the > head after about 45 minutes of run time and so far all is well and is > breaking in nicely. > Cam and tappets were parkerized, tappets were hardness checked. Work > was done by Dema Elgin. I spent some time visiting his shop in Santa > Rosa, and it was an educational experience. > > Cheers, > Tim > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Duncan Charlton > > To: FOT of > Sent: Sat, April > 20, 2013 8:14:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VR-1 Oil > > Just to refresh my memory I > had a look at some of the archived discussions on bobistheoilguy.com. > It may not be news, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's > not all about maximum ZDDP. Some consider 1800ppm to be the upper > safe limit due to corrosion of some camshaft materials and that > anything above 1500ppm after break-in is unnecessary. Mobile 1 racing > oils have 1750ppm, VR1 conventional has 1300, B-P oils have 1300ppm, > Redline race oils have 2500ppm, Rotella 15W40 has about 1300. > Depending on what research one sees, an adequate level ought to be > 1100-1500ppm. Aircraft mechanics point out that oil viscosity has > something to do with cam lobe wear, too -- those who are flying > non-certified engines are free to substitute oils, and wiped out lobes > are usually traced back to low-weight oil, ZDDP or not (one mechanic > mentioned that certified engines "don't use any ZDDP" but I haven't > attempted to confirm that). > > Duncan > (using Rotella 15W40) > Texas > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > #6 red > > On Apr 20, 2013, at > 6:40 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > >> It's not always all about price. >> Maybe you > like the product. If we can save a few bucks and get our usual stuff, > why not? >> I agree with you about the costs of vintage racing, but if you have >> had > sucess in the past with a product, why not stick with it? >> That's why there > are many oils on the market. Choose the one you like. >> Cheers, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire@pacbell.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 20:19:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3310C40531 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E988040518 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:19:17 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1366597098; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=h/PNWnjwtp2AatuxaG6QxiZyqM+C+J3p3a9S/sFpWAoPB4+DIvuTdBIZIXyvZYUzt L4ZcGtuPAKEAQJcQ6G18KQdvPM/IaM0Arr2oHgyYm7YgLsWrHyKUh6QnNIHsl8wdti Xusf78pMF4RdoM1fIQqwdbJG8LDcVM41Fea/0pwQ= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABJZKHP9AS9TH9S for (sender ); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [76.23.185.62] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:16:29 GMT From: "Joe Boruch" Full-Name: "Joe Boruch" Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:16:29 GMT To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Big bore (89mm), big valves, big cam and Weber Carbs got me 188 hp at the flywheel. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bob Kramer To: "" Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:11:23 -0500 Meanwhile, back at the ranch a bunch if us are scratching our heads trying to figure out how to get to 170hp :) Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:42 AM, wrote: > No doubt, the two feature races we had were outstanding! Almost could have > thrown a blanket around the three of us at any time Sunday afternoon! > > Kudos to John Hasty, while he might be advancing in age, nothing is stopping > him from getting his TR3 figured out. Excellent drive, John, hoping for a > repeat at Summit Point next month! > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Selling my TR4 Vintage Race Car > > >> Agreed! Best racing I've had in a while. My old Speedsters took just >> enough lap time off to compensate for Henry's detuned engine. >> >> Tony Drews >> >> At 08:40 AM 4/18/2013, john hasty wrote: >>> Henry......and what a great time was had by you, me and Tony!!!! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 06:35:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBA42BB7 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA54442A2B for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ef5so4733597obb.8 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 05:31:48 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=79cMnet3UkaZHqXwDnVFuPFM2uoMJwajKCXRZA2w+YI=; b=wSdJYi9tvgiRKiLul4wCXI6X4mhNaL4AZAO0OQRU+6zFh56695SInNPnL/53epU3Qx jI+/14aywxhzGuFVqC6V7/gs3gJTtRQVM1B8ybAk6A0r606OirO6gYF1FvtXXZmhlqqX Mt0nE/K1TjvwHVJPVZjowDx9GnviWxOXvVcYHAgxESGKFMJSCu0FjAxrxE0wABiDjciO I3qnZbvYRJ942uGPIoDUyuGbeuMeSSPQHUnMwTBYvtvA1D5r0d5Ghv4cTdsHvdh5XsK7 uDFtIKa+TGFAahiHXmKTkGvRzMzqyz6o0YRFGVwYcwIlEk3lvJHcbzMVftV/sBL8FZdz rO2Q== ok8mr9799941oeb.120.1366633908206; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 05:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. 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If the answer is no, does anyone need a car hauled from central Texas to CA in case I drive to the San Francisco area to pick up the Morgan? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 11:33:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF0242E87 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8A642E49 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 17:31:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 17:31:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 17:31:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 51598 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2013 17:31:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366651915; bh=QsDhttS/69O9ubZn37uok5iKfCp0xfmv07uipJ7AM3A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0E206QY9c2ZFjDNuJP0xdeuDjVWTWkZoqn9Y6EAfG7b+CvL3/U4BfG38EY7qWSAyik29YYd4NvwW89jRziXV8cs8A5W+o962S1cQfigpMKs1YO2U3D699CI+M9MTq8/VaeAhy5TGU6/AhAbI5I+3kfKYOaTf7IcNuNgZPZkgNDo= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DcID6YIo4O6NCUxOhhmQZJCgle7/4XcehOWgZUxNUfXdmETZVWk6sekc5+VZAIH+zzA9ev6li0Yj8/uRB9rrBHP86gp9mbYjx+qt7hYqXdtHjo1Iq/xM1uGRR2NRm92waEFuEX42u/KWvF1IxxlKzmhSzv2dXdhxDbYibuIDj3U=; _ru6UxaH0tLhWo9wnD_1WsORDlGJWINz7k9ygxb76tFUUWUvw2BwWMMx4pXB p5BwmpgOJIAS_baOpgmslnxVwfzJ2rzfkji9egpjV3xJt6qk1OWvPyrAEKbI IjYNW2vnC21DguP2g5lHiuHHRiE3t7qs4pohtvHxyNSt0L.iryi5yJFAcDGo C6_eoQycR7qtaM8z0X7XhwTT5V0MXtzO3S8AcXGDWdOikKUx7sYqmEJG66qO iC0Mncpg2jnmGuOr5LKp_xsJ65peB7zQSLELXOKvJC4V4eFJtYaWuN24hjQ4 6E_rQOUy5fcoxC3dCmu6w.EjtC05EUXfB6wcwZOvbcZqJRAgCZrfWNkRPMXQ kx1.tFO2wW8ry2UIxVN1MG553zQOCpSntHNYx5zjjm9QrWCP4fTkmfu2KN.7 W4SUCIniwtN4xstiadcaUclpGrnGZ._KKR..FjPUp2.sxkw-- Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:31:55 PDT VGhhbmtzIEJvYi7CoCBJIGFtIHJ1bm5pbmcgbmV3IFRveW8gUHJveGVzIFJSLsKgIEkgZG9uJ3QgbG9vayBmb3Igc2lnbmlmaWNhbnQgCnRlbXBzIHVudGlsIGF0IGxlYXN0IDMgb3IgNCBhdXRvY3Jvc3MgcnVucyBvbiBhIGhvdCBkYXkuwqAgU28gZmFyIEkgaGF2ZW4ndCAKcmVhbGx5IGhhZCB0aGUgaG90IGRheXMgYW5kIG1heWJlIHRoZXNlIHRpcmVzIGFyZSBhIGxpdHRsZSBzdGlmZmVyLsKgIExhc3QgeWVhciBJIApyYW4gYSBuZWFybHkgbmV3IHNldCBvZiBIb29zaWVyIFI2IGFuZCBzZWVtZWQgdG8gYmUBMAEBAQE- References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC> <1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: "Robert M. Lang" , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bob. I am running new Toyo Proxes RR. I don't look for significant temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day. So far I haven't really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer. Last year I ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center pressures to determine ultimate pressure. I ended up with 32 front and 28 rear. Jim ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: sherry robyn Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question Hi, You can only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just coming off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only tire pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that you need to keep the tire from rolling over. What I've done is to run the skidpad and set the base pressure. Then up it a little and measure for even temps. Note: the outside wheels do the most work so focus on those. Then switch directions and get the other side. >From there, when you run autocrosses, use the tire pressure to balance the car. Also, ask around. I get good info from other folks and then build on that. What tires are you running? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 11:48:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFB042ECD for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f52.google.com (mail-da0-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC6142E62 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f52.google.com with SMTP id j17so930223dan.11 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=nKpJl7PyKi4OG6EHxu/wrKvg/6RcCNc9DyorlEkIWxI=; b=dECsTzkfYDqwY/6fBSm8Img7zp1GLWMSo08DlMjM4cDat6HIh2Aw1R+J+6H9PUrZUZ t3aWpJS77pMk1fBagNWJKoN8u2YKHMcj5wh/WAPKA6h53lB4SLtYlsElG00xj6YmVJod hrv/LdRhxWJgyMEc+cvt0dXb2Nt6IsP/PG2SA7GCdhS9Zdv+LuWmTglMDhmaHsNXPqu+ Y8mfjTe9F4pzIwJx8N4bO/rj8UhBGiZOlJgAmoZ2cqQz/a+nTtk71L1z9IdHUoQWWvo4 T00WhiwdFuCU9B76b2oXd86HL1hmwIJBc12rgLbc8XCCTf2dhAx54DE+K0ryhhusEAzF pKCA== df5mr33248275pbc.199.1366652826181; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ak1sm25993734pbc.10.2013.04.22.10.47.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:47:01 -1000 References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC> <1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tire temperatures that you get from a hot day or autocross runs are useless for setting up suspension or determiniming appropriate tire pressure. Even tire temps on a track are relatively inaccurate unless you take a series of tight turns at good speed and stop immediately to read them without an intervening straight. On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:31 AM, sherry robyn wrote: > Thanks Bob. I am running new Toyo Proxes RR. I don't look for significant > temps until at least 3 or 4 autocross runs on a hot day. So far I haven't > really had the hot days and maybe these tires are a little stiffer. Last year > I > ran a nearly new set of Hoosier R6 and seemed to be able to read the center > pressures to determine ultimate pressure. I ended up with 32 front and 28 > rear. Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > > To: sherry robyn > Sent: Mon, > April 22, 2013 5:33:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question > > Hi, > > You can > only get "good" tire temps on a skid pad. If you try to get temps just > coming > off an autocross course, you won't get accurate results. About the only > tire > pressure adjustment you can make from autocross is the base pressure that > you > need to keep the tire from rolling over. > > What I've done is to run the skidpad > and set the base pressure. Then up it a > little and measure for even temps. > Note: the outside wheels do the most work so > focus on those. Then switch > directions and get the other side. > > From there, when you run autocrosses, use > the tire pressure to balance the car. > > Also, ask around. I get good info from > other folks and then build on that. > > What tires are you running? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former > NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 > | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 23:04:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92434299A for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F0742838 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:00:59 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="119737283" Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.79.244]) by icp-osb-irony-out8.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2013 12:59:52 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:00:13 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac4/33BzbNE5UJ3eRQuLGSfxqb8gmg== Content-Language: en-au Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Are any of you running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these tires? Finding that you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to get your times up? We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the TOYO's, That is what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP DZ03's etc., they get VERY 'skatey' Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 00:24:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DFC403EE for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C25C403BA for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id s10so312542lbi.5 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=sd2VWAeq6+IBMeNNp27cyWJWj1DxJUQijOJO+2QPcXE=; b=uDTAQROzagCo6xK4tkGUfhu2l6d3S1H6pJlf1vIEHpSicrEmn+ynHbFg2BBiZZXbCR /WD6osHy6cv62mrNZu4Br7fugVNFVh7lOSO87mAwT703plwgmVE/WAeg7gGTXEyQtodd COMWp1I9nc9dFfGRZNwiSUuRYZ4rLudk3VCzUtg/EewCAxAq1W5hzZ0HGmrYBQ83VWqg uAG5VOHFek+PCEnyLH/zWyYibhqZC/MvvXf6dV+lFgNko3mYEeR0XUJ22WvVPoc6kqjC WtMKDPnTnfw1gZY9t+7PnSqa8QeK0zQi56IIflfyl2JYZYVwUgDmEv2Hf4k6S5iZboxP d7UQ== qe9mr14610127lbb.126.1366698208574; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.71.75 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.71.75 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <48F3E25E64444FE5B8E6B8092E20C643@ComputerPC> <1366413451.74004.YahooMailRC@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1366651915.51506.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:23:28 -0700 From: Christian Marx Cc: "fot@autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire temp question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I take tire temperatures but these values are pretty useless. I never got any close to the recommended temperature. I set pressure to the best stick over the distance. Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 10:30:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189C6403F4 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4061403E6 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1850D700144DE for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mua001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mua001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.129]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D8D81E00008A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Joe Alexander Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m242.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.241) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:25:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366734306; bh=5zLlWVx04Arz0rCOn7FC4FmMfDdkv8DU/KeOKYjE95k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kIVahKPvwlcosz/noXTpbmcCdfwnR0ybmSCM9H5rCjg+v+taLfO1QQ6SrrEsMaHWX Roi/sePMUTmeQK9hKF2QVpfd2oaIq+kd4LC40oPoOuGcoEbnnxTovsuueR2tW+Yczi SaCgTX7YlvUFciREHzEyQ0obmo0vkvIlkGgCQllg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095176b5e15e39 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP NEWS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: Thanks to Steve Belfer, Joe Pawlak, Blake Discher we now have the latest in a series of Kastner Cup Posters in hand. They will be free to FOT and VTR in attendance at ROAD AMERICA. We are very close to wrapping up the TRIUMPH PACKAGE WEEKEND DEAL. This will impact all FOT that are attendees and not entering as Driver's. The 'package deal' will extend to Triumph Club Members, as well. Track Touring, Old Course Reenactment, Friday's Welcome Dinner and Triumph Car Show will be included in the PACKAGE. Jason's Paddock Planning is going very well, and the garages are filling up quickly. Thursday afternoon and evening will be very special as Dave Young will be sending Tech Inspectors to our garages and we should be able to hang together tightly and get acquainted or re-acquainted. There will be the option of ordering in BROASTED CHICKEN and PIZZA from a local restaurant. VSCDA'S Mike and Deb Korneli have developed the ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL weekend into a Premier Event over the past 8 years. It has all of the features of Watkins Glen, but without the crush of a big 'festival event'. Everything is close in and convenient, and the weather is usually the best with just a touch of autumn color in the trees. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. 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What pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim ________________________________ From: Peter Vucinic To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 10:03:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Listers, Are any of you running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these tires? Finding that you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to get your times up? We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the TOYO's, That is what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP DZ03's etc., they get VERY 'skatey' Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 11:16:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DC74042A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E345403EF for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 17:14:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.104] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 17:14:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp121-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 17:14:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366737286; bh=PMdqNC2INMyfmqeAenClPA6jx+m3UwOAmyHFs3FPG+s=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=PnsdTLdrX4eiR+gvDbvDj0mlmU9S7FWSlHabKSnHTgtRee7me3NeeyKFhD7bmPZcBSD1uROKdK9Uz5zpojUD01gvEOonky9UqUfb+hXgovuiKx7bBW5jhUmv5AzPuFBe4LNj7ONLMpqkzAZUI/RYmK8vZz29Zdq/lGu3vh1hfu0= iM48oc671xAU4LHTl5u81TYanbONQzdtwuzLB7BZNEykSRN7Y_V2YHrr09Cb hr5YUVpmYeK4YlVjoJyIO6.tKmVgWGiZryWknLZlS0TXJH6scjBdUJyn9zA9 0nOsaeEeEEpo8Edy9OyrpBZHMloi0lvLZM1fG2nl88tGZQYTCkvYKu1VJpe5 XqsjrjR4RT0BVztMHApoaS6IWcX4zyrAh8086ib2KiCYkjoc1iz5YGYGUDrb ZFdlxc2lbFgym2TQpyfRqJ2E6BMcUTzxpnXol_HQQEeE6XN_NROci6PAkmvt RBcHZlEJ_Nk4.NLill2UPIsD7cN4myLqaIW7eXlvCduLb4DzBTDgDbshOc1D iJTbmko7hkjNo3WN9UKvfw6b._lfjs.CeMV.dyOLreGRfVymF5J2UtsV1eiM XzC4xisYGgfKq_PklKubRkd4JZDTwiaL3ZaROt3kZfDU6Lz473idrFLNZnFR CpsKamiXnPONCT0uqnJKBKmyjo6mTig-- xymcookie) by smtp121-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2013 17:14:46 +0000 UTC References: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Andy Packard Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:14:42 -0700 To: sherry robyn Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW, I autocross my TR250 with these tires and found maintaining 37-38 psi was best. Lower and they get very mushy, higher they're over inflated and reduce contact. Not sure if this is helpful for your application. Andy Packard Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:39 AM, sherry robyn wrote: > Peter, I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire). What pressures are > you > running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim > ________________________________ > From: Peter Vucinic > > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 > 10:03:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > Listers, > > > > Are any of you > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these > tires? Finding that > you are having to run them with less pressure than other > tires used to get > your times up? > > > > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the > TOYO's, That is > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP > DZ03's etc., they > get VERY 'skatey' > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 11:36:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EDD4040F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.108.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D7040066 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.82.108.230] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 17:35:09 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.127] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 17:35:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 17:35:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366738509; bh=84A0sQG6oJVr6INR4XkvLefRl7bRUNYq5Ke6ZwqzXEE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=yvc9I2fsX8CARamRGOmCZ8dYsCrB5wdikLhB0wzZ9IKi8OK2EBzRI//4130g+qn3jfTkcBFbtvViD/UGLxn1Bb1/WH63g18jp4RQZidTJgvoKSYKRfWr2hGSAy/UC99k1CFndsV9B3SoLuWyXgq/Bx8ehbZMVQCHeFl2cqzOuLY= zvMWK0z0Ma.bWRP52Ac2BI2vh6q9vye_SND753Hn_yXnwli1HLub2nlo8Qgu A10NhYAyC96G7aBiLN2nTlBo_FciOe_QKBRrr7R6hisVcBTlbsitdOHGpkFl RH1Ujh2WwcI68FU8WJitgZt7FqZ7C6DbULkQeiELrlyzwrQxhnNb_PhT4eP_ am6kv0RGo2JKfstyFWhucL3bFf5c9WPwBsjxI7Wtss0uXJOG7lUkA7dBSgc6 1dMggPvwl0yD46mM5YbVGeztP9ghO.Rchd_pr2unmhG45l7YjIhl1Hb4_zHP JXZkSkQJ1jggqY0Lcu6bp7UAynU7AdGoSe0rPcgjjl1MjUNpHX5ndX6Hb3G1 eCT8fUgBlcizXfKcVlHejPM7vtS9Qx3_tEStrV9zKiVSIXl82s9_2veKewyA gxAQo0.xJ2_VF1WoTzxhC0Wm.cn4wu5cxl5PXRmRfEE59ikbrYjZuJ5kt0vQ W3q1QBmVTpOLizDg- plain) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2013 10:35:09 -0700 PDT References: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Keith Files Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:35:10 +0200 To: sherry robyn Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi both, I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal thing.... Happy to provide my pressure settings though. Keith Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn wrote: > Peter, I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire). What pressures are > you > running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim > ________________________________ > From: Peter Vucinic > > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 > 10:03:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > Listers, > > > > Are any of you > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these > tires? Finding that > you are having to run them with less pressure than other > tires used to get > your times up? > > > > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the > TOYO's, That is > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP > DZ03's etc., they > get VERY 'skatey' > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@bradakis.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 13:12:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F1540423 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076F940409 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 19:11:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.92] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 19:11:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 19:11:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 1791 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2013 19:11:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366744289; bh=ng7wRdSXlQzECO2YBgkC0VrEMu0zpBavnRRzXkDj10o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ntjA/otz8yfO0xkNFE4VYTl5JyHiZvUrYPF/VjvBtAkT/9VaFvW9/YIGb2uXepB2RZWH3/Re3cx7kE6pYQK1yN9ACIy/sx8ZtwcPz4JXBONQMJhy4KdJNZpUIh/sEc1FRwz/NqNp2n9jYXZejjHQ/2Y0UBufnaRDZTEbhWvuXl8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sKUNxW6qJa9PEz6ZfXXl7EsvN73bp+fHACVV4orCKcwh6lZQmdYJWpo/8mggr6a0cUS3uFp+5Zf75C5KltxWqi0jL7gmaycqnPTl9eMHW/Xtn1upHKS6YyiqE8DNQyPEg8VhH/y9OZLPxyHM2MsEg41ZnFws9yfZmU6pC+8a3zg=; B084yiE0gP5A3TDEpTKbCphw5PE2WzL3l2KprPVhmpgRgvnIwf9N4mVsKN2V D8F2tMsInfVXhH5SDkz1q6QDRyqrelvO3o2tgN1VqBExxShUryxINGT1.A7v yBEwl5Ti537BTixoZJw2LBlUGXOdgKi0MUcjJbqreJcDcl6cRX0WnQkCkKTV qGLKnQ7snjSlfs3cMj.G5pnGB4PQWsQOZU72UJxN.uVfZgq68Pz9rE8rghVt GfZAVAMj1cMpAYQhqHwy8NYdtfxbEQDfnRBXrHM7fDbALR6f_yShpvfapsoC 0dxFEXjLJvhs4D5JOPR4xKOhwYp0aSltkJm3JoJIqCoQweulRrNsJTJjU2HJ LHdqO47IZQ3rmC7c_y9AozOSON0XH3urzpSKdVS7Y37.pF1BYqB0r.3OlrJf nbZSVyo2eU3Iw9FAbQugOVy3lSPr68yE__0HWdFU_HrAzG0iWqWElwzIRZv8 V9hTW9nwE1z1cjUXc7w-- Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:11:29 PDT U28gd2hhdCBhcmUgeW91ciBwcmVzc3VyZXMgS2VpdGguwqAgSSBhbSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkLsKgIFRoYW5rcywgSmltCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpGcm9tOiBLZWl0aCBGaWxlcyA8a2VpdGhmaWxlc0BidGludGVybmV0LmNvbT4KVG86IHNoZXJyeSByb2J5biA8c2hlcnJ5amltbXk2MTE2QGF0dC5uZXQ.CkNjOiBQZXRlciBWdWNpbmljIDxwdnVjaW5pY0BuZXRzcGFjZS5uZXQuYXU.OyAiZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IiAKPGZvdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4KU2VudDogVHUBMAEBAQE- References: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Keith Files Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So what are your pressures Keith. I am interested. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Keith Files To: sherry robyn Cc: Peter Vucinic ; "fot@autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Hi both, I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal thing.... Happy to provide my pressure settings though. Keith Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn wrote: > Peter, I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire). What pressures are > you > running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim > ________________________________ > From: Peter Vucinic > > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 > 10:03:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > Listers, > > > > Are any of you > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these > tires? Finding that > you are having to run them with less pressure than other > tires used to get > your times up? > > > > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the > TOYO's, That is > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP > DZ03's etc., they > get VERY 'skatey' > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@bradakis.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 14:37:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA45F40430 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.108.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2325540417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.82.108.229] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 20:35:50 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.78] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 20:35:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2013 20:35:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366749350; bh=DmfcvyKfxm0KpQB2Ak5wwXTlCfI3HAT5DPTIBcjS+g0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=IVjwl1Tqo9fVogLgbS6FaPJuPcNHC4VcV9FmGwQoWshQ0VrJyxMo0Yv2OqQ8uCQgMJKvCpatBiMu68zjeKuyHtoFm0C+GR2OhiMOn0ilo2CQZsz3gA2JPYx5FwKK/4emBhNxnZ+/iPbeKG1y4F2GvWtS8tFM3KZQXtvOzQHACfI= DzxUYxdDogf5theGu.qHPA2LQSeRaMx.QGpIZt7wsdmq8ItlAfCAd8_gXeG_ 5XVKMJW4MFKgnffW6I_quQg9jYOxgj6cXk.9Q4r2vMPUAVdQcVVKv5bFshsO 9cSlJdkOw6qQdTa5wHt2sEDza5f.1w3WIrECnaC6rvH4SqW.wrEbuOEeV4yk H92._6trs3DXxfRiklapYafUIcdQgW0RVT7tf6haDOanJh2FqIW4yEmjg_nv 0EkeSZIb9LSwbcDD7S4dgb.3Jf0yaYWlhnGr1okasxj1N9vD1SNfB9paiAGi GNPhWpe9GFj8pVMS_YC3_NMLRExiXjFLqOrdtm92p9GGX8_7yoPZ0.4fnjm6 J7Heur2HID_Ba407BktDobihfxf4dBToSbH8icgldaEcJ3Tx5INtXggfPlFC 6Poml9IuLdjroFQbn553odMYCOtKvM4vt3R2Tryi1vanHrCe5p1SbvZk0DtJ g4slFNRmZmIZ0x4s- plain) by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2013 13:35:50 -0700 PDT References: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com> <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Keith Files Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:35:50 +0200 To: sherry robyn Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run 22 front, 24 rear. Keith Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 21:11, sherry robyn wrote: > So what are your pressures Keith. I am interested. Thanks, Jim > > From: Keith Files > To: sherry robyn > Cc: Peter Vucinic ; "fot@autox.team.net" > Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > Hi both, > > I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal thing.... > > Happy to provide my pressure settings though. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPad > > On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn wrote: > > > Peter, I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire). What pressures are > > you > > running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim > > ________________________________ > > From: Peter Vucinic > > > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 > > 10:03:51 PM > > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > > > Listers, > > > > > > > > Are any of you > > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these > > tires? Finding that > > you are having to run them with less pressure than other > > tires used to get > > your times up? > > > > > > > > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the > > TOYO's, That is > > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP > > DZ03's etc., they > > get VERY 'skatey' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Peter Vucinic > > > > TR-4 > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Forums: > > http://www.team.net/forums > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: > > http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@bradakis.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 14:50:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0156F40443 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from ex.dunnwalshholdings.com (ex.dunnwalshholdings.com [173.219.117.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9F7403DE for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c%15]) with mapi; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:46:48 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: sherry robyn , Keith Files Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:46:36 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Thread-Index: Ac5AVmN1piHDxQgtQ52rQb/0M7SY2AADMKaw References: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com> <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22# front (cold) and 20-21# rear. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM To: Keith Files Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 So what are your pressures Keith. I am interested. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Keith Files To: sherry robyn Cc: Peter Vucinic ; "fot@autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Hi both, I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal thing.... Happy to provide my pressure settings though. Keith Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn wrote: > Peter, I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire). What > pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim > ________________________________ > From: Peter Vucinic > > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 > 10:03:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > Listers, > > > > Are any of you > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these > tires? Finding that > you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to > get your times up? > > > > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the > TOYO's, That is > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP > DZ03's etc., they > get VERY 'skatey' > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@bradakis.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 15:05:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B3F40514 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A792740423 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7DAA077C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:42 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Yahoo, etc. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think the yahoo, btinternet and sbcglobal issue is finally resolved. I'll keep an eye on things to make sure. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 15:22:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E29A4051D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C0140409 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.98.85] (c-69-249-204-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.204.30]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MLQ00B0D8FBFB90@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:16:26 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-23_06:2013-04-23,2013-04-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1304230225 From: Scott Janzen Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:16:22 -0400 References: <1366735176.48985.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <178921B8-3087-4CF5-981A-CCFCDDABEFF3@btinternet.com> <1366744289.58937.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD504@TITAN.dwholdings.local> To: Edward Dunn Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net funny, I run the Toyo R888s, and was running the same 20 lb +/- pressures, on my GT6. I had pretty even temps across them, but was getting a lot of understeer. Kas suggested the pressure was way too low for radials. I had started in the mid 20s and worked my way down. Then I went up close to where the Miata racers run them - 29 rear and 31 front cold, about 35 hot, and the handling is much improved. Still getting even temps across the tires - running 1.8 degrees negative camber front and 2.2 rear. Tried to get pressure recommendations out of Toyo, but no luck. Miss the Kumho V700s - they were a stickier, better handling tire, but not available in this size any more. On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: I run the Toyo Proxes on my GT6 race car. Size 205/60-13. Typically run 22# front (cold) and 20-21# rear. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:11 PM To: Keith Files Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 So what are your pressures Keith. I am interested. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Keith Files To: sherry robyn Cc: Peter Vucinic ; "fot@autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, April 23, 2013 10:35:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 Hi both, I run the Toyo's on my TR4 in the US and the Yoko's on my TR6 in the UK and have a little success with both....however, I run a very stiff, lowered suspension setup and therefore very low tyre pressures so I can get the car to handle like a Go Kart, pressures are worked out with my suspension settings and my style of driving and after a lot of testing, it is a personal thing.... Happy to provide my pressure settings though. Keith Sent from my iPad On 23 Apr 2013, at 18:39, sherry robyn wrote: > Peter, I am running Toyo Proxes RR (their newest tire). What > pressures are you running with the 888s on your Triumph? Jim > ________________________________ > From: Peter Vucinic > > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, April 22, 2013 > 10:03:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] TOYO Proxes 888 > > Listers, > > > > Are any of you > running the TOYO Proxes 888's? Having success with these > tires? Finding that > you are having to run them with less pressure than other tires used to > get your times up? > > > > We are finding that if you run 'normal' pressures in the > TOYO's, That is > what we would run in the YOKOHAMA ADVAN A048's or DUNLOP > DZ03's etc., they > get VERY 'skatey' > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@bradakis.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 13:04:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9298B40559 for ; 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I am now in need of a replacement six cylinder block for my every day and autocrossing TR250. Apparently my cam wore the block so bad it created a crack.B It did not have cam bearings and was likely starved of oil when I was dealing with a bad oil pump last year. I sold a GT6 block a short time ago and I knowB a fellow club memberB just got rid of one.B Anyone out there with a spare sitting around to sell and close to Northern California?B I don't need any of the guts or peripherals and can return all parts after disassembly if wanted.B Please letB me know if you can help.B I'd love to have the car running again for a club-hosted June autocross. Andy Packard 925 577 7704 __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE ________________________________ ________________________________ Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest b" Unsubscribe b" Terms of Use b" Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 14:39:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2F940EC3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA8440E23 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.98.85] (c-69-249-204-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.204.30]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MLS0063M1B54O40@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:38:30 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-24_08:2013-04-24,2013-04-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1304240184 From: Scott Janzen Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:38:27 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph References: <174756BA-C4DC-4064-A22B-E2B5EA8D32AF@me.com> Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster Factory that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday. The notice said 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park. http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon sored-by-the-roadster-factory/ On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote: Scott, Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic. But it does get crowded by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better. Last year I arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going fast. Noon would probably be better. (timing inversely proportional to the size of your rig) Mark Palmer To: VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com From: sjanzen@me.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400 Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs night or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock? On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote: Jim -- and others looking for lodging, The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham, they just converted in March I believe. Rate is $189/night, not exactly cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just renovated everything. As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year (Holiday) but you can park on the street for free. No room for rigs whatsoever. Janet likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not to ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility. Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price range. To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards Monroeville near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there around $100 - 120/night. Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably takes about half an hour each way. Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation to the charities which is a nice plus. Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on the GWVR (no potty though). Mark Palmer > --- In VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" wrote: > > > > Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley weekend. They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere. We don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to be there and to be together. > > Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed. Not too far from Schenley is good too. > > Any recommdations? __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (7) RECENT ACTIVITY: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use  Send us Feedback . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 15:54:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE6A40ED4 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082FC403A5 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.228.69.197] (236.sub-174-237-36.myvzw.com [174.237.36.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3OLrFkw019601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:53:18 -0400 References: <174756BA-C4DC-4064-A22B-E2B5EA8D32AF@me.com> From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:53:14 -0400 To: Scott Janzen a=52btbkHDEoQA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rMiPzpmPswtC//QV35ItYA==:17 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=52GGUsbPAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=anKSwfM1yzUpGfVnN6oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=OAlFq5sPQde_B_-l:21 a=_YttCc4mhIbvqE62:21 a=rMiPzpmPswtC//QV35ItYA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on Forbes can't remember the name. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster Factory > that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday. The notice said > 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park. > http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spon > sored-by-the-roadster-factory/ > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote: > > > Scott, > > Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the paddock on > Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic. But it does get crowded > by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better. Last year I > arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, but going fast. > Noon would probably be better. (timing inversely proportional to the size of > your rig) > > Mark Palmer > > To: VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com > From: sjanzen@me.com > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400 > Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule > > > > I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs night > or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock? > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote: > > > > Jim -- and others looking for lodging, > > The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a Wyndham, > they just converted in March I believe. Rate is $189/night, not exactly > cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they have just renovated > everything. As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year (Holiday) > but you can park on the street for free. No room for rigs whatsoever. Janet > likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the > university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she decides not to > ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility. > > Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price range. > > To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards Monroeville > near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out there around > $100 - 120/night. Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but probably > takes about half an hour each way. > > Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a donation to > the charities which is a nice plus. > > Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people based on > the GWVR (no potty though). > > Mark Palmer > > >> --- In VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" wrote: >>> >>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP Schenley > weekend. They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere. We > don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just happy to be > there and to be together. >>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed. Not > too far from Schenley is good too. >>> Any recommdations? > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web post Reply to sender > Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages > in this topic (7) > RECENT ACTIVITY: > Visit Your Group > MARKETPLACE > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use  Send us > Feedback > . > > __,_._,___ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 19:16:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA0240ED0 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f45.google.com (mail-qa0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C708A40ED0 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id g10so1149628qah.11 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=0vz5VghZ+RvzvMUJOZd2cYQ6E0RtOzy73k2RedcIcZ0=; b=jzc4Upci8mwtkuRqHYtF0davxlOy+lLdtWXIm/Yq4UXb+S5I8BPC/+bEe70Cfk4IrY XVvt2HTIvQSG2IgCiPKPYEjRBdq5AgkzeCHnxK+n6Dx2dV0Hw1JAApe0pt0fBMut6WqU Rmq23yx2Vepfyq1WFrKamUHZVedvoTnSYVm42RXcZYS7A+2NPf5uydpIz60MNueD28hm 97p6jFMOsQlAUdlHKJjh1RjUxs6bmYlfBOMuh/7UXuDIQ/zMZQLKU8Em4xJSgsElj076 5U2wGo05kXHCAZ2m98ltjzg9ujVfc6oOmpIOGKB07x4e+vn56qSFYxY5thyLfOyszl40 im3g== ck15mr25103496qab.15.1366852509855; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.70.202 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:14:49 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and layout, but its a good starting point. Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure around 42psi. On production cars with primitive suspensions like TR's we struggle to get them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your temperature data Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 19:26:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAA427E0 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:26:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D08F4225A for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host-3.home (pool-108-16-249-182.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.16.249.182]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MLS007FMEGOD020@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:22:01 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-24_08:2013-04-24,2013-04-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=11 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1304240257 From: Scott Janzen Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:21:59 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph References: Subject: Re: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nope, my tires are not getting to 194 degrees F/90 C. More like 155 on a hot day. On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and layout, but its a good starting point. Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure around 42psi. On production cars with primitive suspensions like TR's we struggle to get them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your temperature data Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 23:25:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B129C42847 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95220427FA for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.79.244]) by icp-osb-irony-out8.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2013 13:24:10 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Enquiries Road & Track'" , References: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:24:03 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac5BUmut7d/7sxDcSE6riLry8cfmLwAIbI2Q Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Terry, The PROXES I started this thread with, were fitted to TR7 V8 Race car, fairly heavy spring rates. We found that we would get 10+ PSI change in 5 Laps (13.5 miles total) on a 25c (77F) day. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013 11:15 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re TOYO Proxes 888 we see these tyres on lots of race cars we prepare/service/repair. in general terms, we find them better on heavier cars than lighter ones on our Triumph 2500 race car, we typically run them at 28psi cold, getting to 33-36 hot. of course this changes a little with track temperatures and layout, but its a good starting point. Toyo indicate the optimum tread temp of around 90C and max hot pressure around 42psi. On production cars with primitive suspensions like TR's we struggle to get them this hot , even if we increase the cold pressures if anyone else is using them in races, would be keen to get your temperature data Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 07:35:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0265640E95 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208F840551 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3PDXXao018786; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:38 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5BuXtiWNfS8SZ8S6SjD+SNB3D8IQ== a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=ZYj2jks0uDQXVmkgInMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici: When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR. I was able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix. Just let me know and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 09:01:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC47742540 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B426B4056A for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3PErJhu006607; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:53:23 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Todd Redmond'" References: <71d058a9.e083.13e419b6a57.Webtop.14@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:53:19 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5BwZ90tYSMALMSSxClpKSdgJs1xAAAuPHg a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=8K94cYG915yNhACIA6AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=GaqZYozeCoe4Mhbv:21 a=c7oNi8PTAU8wzqAR:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Todd: I have no idea if they are compatable to a TS motor, perhaps someone else could tell you. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond [mailto:alfetta95@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:32 AM To: jhhasty@gdhs.com Subject: RE: [Fot] Exhaust Headers John, If they are for a TR3 and are still available, Ill take them! Todd Redmond n Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, john hasty wrote: > Amici: When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me > an old set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for > VIR. I was able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the > used set is now available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar > fix. Just let me know and they will be on their way to you for the > cost of shipping..... > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any > attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK > PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies > of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank > you. > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS > regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly > stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication > (including any > attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for > purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) > promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction > or matter addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 09:02:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A9B4246F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2960C40552 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:54:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3PEptvI022318; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:52:18 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'davehogye'" References: <6C6284DF94E4448CB324E94BF9AAC691@gdhs.local> <97099433.1243703.1366898446206.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:55 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5BvUo19lmeGZNdT82nN+3kGnxZ7gABP+iA a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=9oMpImMYdKwtYAPQmgkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=o15QKIrmmfOA22ka:21 a=yk-YQ7XqPbQUwKWO:21 a=2P-zRrdaYt89Enniiv4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=W2jhhuppXbv3tUaX:21 a=-wmuCNspWF_Q74jW:21 a=4H5-O16dXaQ7MpWn:21 a=WRPx9yAHAAAA:8 a=q7gBIbq27XNFTW0-Qs4A:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=LKyD-a-1BEJsTdCd:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Stahl header was perfect. 3 pictures attached. I had them send the engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head. Had them use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage. It is 4 into 1. The fit of the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they had been forged to shape. The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were exactly the same length. I had the collector welded and they used an additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the collector. I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated heat, they say, by 35%. The collector was close to touching the frame at one point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that point, but other than that no fitting problems. (Note my old header had the same frame clearance problem) Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable. I have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us. Cheers! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _____ From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM To: john hasty Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers Hi John, How did the Stahl header work out? How did it fit? Any frame clearance issues? What is the old header like? Do you know who made it? Is it a 4-1, or 4-2-1? Dave H. _____ From: "john hasty" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers Amici: When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR. I was able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix. Just let me know and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of photo headers 2.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of photo headers 3.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of photo headers.JPG] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 09:45:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD8640E95 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BC340552 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (wm8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.14]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MLT00FGOIDHD8Z0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FOT@autox.team.net; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.83.138.143] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Redmond To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Fot] Hasty's Header Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net To All, Will John's header for a CT motor work on a TS motor? I have the high port head. Come to think of it, I'm not sure which motor is in my TR3. What are the differences, if any, between the two motors? Thanks Todd Redmond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 10:20:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E51242537 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC988403C8 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2013 16:19:24 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.104] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2013 16:19:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2013 16:19:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 83460 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2013 16:19:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366906764; bh=DTeWhyFFIggcBkSowlYHuCtN7TkMibQcAcX8tKpVgpo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NF4BRDjPlfPRwDZKAB6p5sM4wUidFzRI4BfUV9NVS+U18Ftfp8aoPF432jnfWv+fOeHfaZuCCs3AG3cDEfr1/mR47oxiuLRIaij8T51v38Puuoqiiwu0Hpv45Bpli0Rnj5PsEVLK6v0rnwnfdz3puCHyitTrv3BJxo6cMn4m4W8= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cyVw5y4wcKGiyZJzHgnHqveDvkcRmYQiwOMrRxD096yVv/mTyNjrnSt2pQCFdQ4ae9j4pSbnd2GLPDpAkEu6yiX/Exme9U73uHMbq6PHRxftfC6Pl7jP8YHmwZNK1Hm45HzCjVNfzJ9UB5XA0VTam3sTEXk1gE6rPzr4MY2u594=; Rs3XN9aBZQchhSZav1SM9 Received: from [209.172.110.10] by web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:19:23 PDT VGhhbmtzIHRvIGV2ZXJ5b25lIGZvciBvdmVyd2hlbG1pbmcgcmVzcG9uc2UuwqAgCkknbGwgYmUgcGlja2luZyB1cCBhIFRSMjUwIGJsb2NrIGluIG5lYXJieSBGb2xzb20sIENBIHRoaXMgd2Vla2VuZCBhbmQgaG9wZWZ1bGx5IAppdCBjaGVja3Mgb3V0IGF0IHRoZSBtYWNoaW5lIHNob3AuwqAgSWYgaXQgZG9lc24ndCwgSSdsbCBsaWtlbHkgYmUgY29udGFjdGluZyB0aGUgCm90aGVyIG9mZmVycyBJIHJlYydkLsKgIE5pY2UgdG8ga25vdyB0aGVyZSBpcyBzbyBtdWNoIHN1cHBvcnQgZm9yIGEgZmVsbG93IAoBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Packard To: 6pack@autox.team.net, fot@autox.team.net, ttscc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Fot] Engine block search status Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone for overwhelming response. I'll be picking up a TR250 block in nearby Folsom, CA this weekend and hopefully it checks out at the machine shop. If it doesn't, I'll likely be contacting the other offers I rec'd. Nice to know there is so much support for a fellow enthusiast in a pinch! Andy Packard _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 13:22:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCD242537 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009DF40538 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3PDeP2K017796; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:40:31 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Scott Janzen'" References: <174756BA-C4DC-4064-A22B-E2B5EA8D32AF@me.com> <15BA465A-8102-4D22-B6D2-6B426DB93320@gdhs.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:40:25 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5BNjoniOdsQy8KSiur02x6glkExAAhC30g a=52btbkHDEoQA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=52GGUsbPAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=fc8v5a18FboyqLEoPugA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=c482HJzVH-rZAci7:21 a=2GxpKPe2RV4RiJmM:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net PS: Hotel is Hilton Garden Inn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:53 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Pittsburgh GP Vintage Race in July - MG vs Triumph I'll be there too. I was told by one of the organizers if you have a big rig you should get there before 5 on Thursday. We are staying at a hotel on Forbes can't remember the name. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > poking around the PVGP site, I ran across a notice from the Roadster Factory > that they are sponsoring an MG vs Triumph race on Saturday. The > notice said > 20 laps, which would be a long race for Schenley Park. > http://www.pvgp.org/british-heritage-race-at-schenley-park-mg-vs-triumph-spo n > sored-by-the-roadster-factory/ > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Mark Palmer wrote: > > > Scott, > > Check the PVGP web site but I don't know if you can get into the > paddock on Thursday -- it may be still open to public traffic. But it > does get crowded > by mid-day Friday, the earlier you can get there the better. Last > year I arrived around 2:00 PM and there were a few decent spots left, > but going fast. > Noon would probably be better. (timing inversely proportional to the > size of > your rig) > > Mark Palmer > > To: VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com > From: sjanzen@me.com > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:32:20 -0400 > Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] Schenley schedule > > > > I'm planning on doing this one this year - do you need to arrive thurs night > or is friday midday good enough to get situated in the paddock? > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Mark Palmer wrote: > > > > Jim -- and others looking for lodging, > > The former Holiday Inn University Center (100 Lytton Ave) is now a > Wyndham, they just converted in March I believe. Rate is $189/night, > not exactly cheap, but it is relatively convenient and they claim they > have just renovated > everything. As I recall, they charged extra for parking last year (Holiday) > but you can park on the street for free. No room for rigs whatsoever. Janet > likes this place since it is close to some shops and restaurants, the > university, and close enough for her to walk to the race if she > decides not to > ride over with me every morning -- she likes the flexibility. > > Ian had some good alternatives but I think they are in the same price range. > > To get something less expensive, you may need to head out towards Monroeville > near the turnpike, I think there is Red Roof and other chains out > there around > $100 - 120/night. Monroeville is about 10 miles from Schenley but > probably takes about half an hour each way. > > Remember if you use one of the official PVGP hotels, they make a > donation to > the charities which is a nice plus. > > Or -- I'll rent you my trailer for $50/night, sleeps 17-1/2 people > based on the GWVR (no potty though). > > Mark Palmer > > >> --- In VRG_NewsGroup@yahoogroups.com, "jim_arnett" wrote: >>> >>> Last year our regular hotel doubled their rates for the PVGP >>> Schenley > weekend. They have done it again this year, so we are looking elsewhere. We > don't need 'ambiance'. There will be four or five of us guys, just > happy to be > there and to be together. >>> Cheap is good. The whole 'pit crew' is either retired or unemployed. >>> Not > too far from Schenley is good too. >>> Any recommdations? > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web post Reply to sender > Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages > in this topic (7) > RECENT ACTIVITY: > Visit Your Group > MARKETPLACE > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest  Unsubscribe  Terms of Use  Send > us Feedback . > > __,_._,___ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 13:24:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFC94257F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277CC4056A for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:17 a=02x9Fjxtek4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=x8yMP5w6cNIA:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=amNWyJQldOvRFAJOr6cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=fjXhRqgbDgCm71KG:21 a=na3VMi_AhwOul5PY:21 a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:117 Received: from [206.16.105.224] ([206.16.105.224:47691] helo=[192.38.12.38]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9F/32-16585-6D059715; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:50:46 +0000 References: <6C6284DF94E4448CB324E94BF9AAC691@gdhs.local> <97099433.1243703.1366898446206.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <0ADC2FF4C0234122A71BE5728C5CEAD4@gdhs.local> From: Bob Kramer Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:50:44 -0500 To: john hasty Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The car came to me with a UK sourced header. That's all I know about it. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:51 AM, "john hasty" wrote: > The Stahl header was perfect. 3 pictures attached. I had them send the > engine plate to me first so we could fit it to the modified head. Had them > use 16 gage 1-5/8" tubing instead of 18 gage. It is 4 into 1. The fit of > the primary tubes to the rectangle exhaust outlets was perfect as if they > had been forged to shape. The primary tubes, as best I could measure, were > exactly the same length. I had the collector welded and they used an > additional strap around the primary tubes at the point they fit into the > collector. I then had Airborne ceramic coat it to reduce the radiated heat, > they say, by 35%. The collector was close to touching the frame at one > point and Allen made a little more clearance by modifying the frame at that > point, but other than that no fitting problems. (Note my old header had the > same frame clearance problem) > > Bud's old header is 4 into 1 & has rust etc. but is sound and useable. I > have no idea who made it, perhaps Bud could tell us. Cheers! > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > > > > _____ > > From: davehogye [mailto:dlhogye@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:01 AM > To: john hasty > Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Headers > > > Hi John, > How did the Stahl header work out? How did it fit? Any frame clearance > issues? What is the old header like? Do you know who made it? Is it a > 4-1, or 4-2-1? > > > Dave H. > > > _____ > > From: "john hasty" > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:33:33 AM > Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Headers > > Amici: When my headers exploded at Road Atlanta, Bud kindly sent me an old > set in case I was unable to get the New Stahl headers fit for VIR. I was > able to get the new set on a day before we left; so, the used set is now > available to anyone who finds themselves in a similar fix. Just let me know > and they will be on their way to you for the cost of shipping..... > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of photo headers 2.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of photo headers 3.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of photo headers.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 22:51:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1654291E for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08E042911 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2658CA0ABE for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:52:32 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Final note on yahoo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think I have finally cleared out all the duplicate addresses I set up during the yahoo mess, so those who started getting two of every post should now be getting only one. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 23:55:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11DB42924 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D14D42915 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l20so3585737oag.41 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:53:39 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UKB0xNe0JEsvkPK0pIG0vuxcvgJCfJCch9+CHvFqu3k=; b=wPkS3ceRQMfEBaDEZtqYE7K+UQQDWVDsr//yai+y9xmDhfOaqZlML5IN1/KY5EwuGe OvDIz/sE7isMH+rxqka5pLdHY+qFbombwPmKxJy2wGFHoahHUVDZorSPbySoyHZomZH3 c9UvGw3Kulk7fMQdMp9+ELVWgDrp5nunCXdypEO433Vd/nCUdFXVdxf2BFS2yGaf4lF2 cxf8Vg+AxUdFGkcxsL8F7LSaXkacpL18Dkd/CrIQDH7QkvXwuHW1eE9M2PdbhR7oU7TI GxCLBR9I0ilMQB9q879R0E9lwNthiPjaTVeP67trllx8LIVlNxNsGPNDXEZ4cCYfNyaq t10Q== Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.38.233 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 00:53:39 -0500 From: Mike Jankowski To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1500 hard top hardware Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Everyone! I recently aquired/was given a hardtop for my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone have an extra set of the mounting hardware for the B pillars? Since they are unobtainium I'm hoping someone here has a set. Otherwise it's time to get my designing skills out from under the dust. Thank you. Mike Jankowski _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 07:55:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67E54287F for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8BA42573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 00AF2700147DA; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mua002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mua002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.237.133]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id ADB4EE000086; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from 216.51.203.118 by webmail-m265.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.242) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:06 -0400 From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1366984326; bh=PVvfjQPqrUi/upgTwfsrFTWqsvKVWR7CbUjGWZimK8c=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CY+F/bFw/ZvE7ZN3BCU4FJ/ryQGLdS0/BmvVdWARAcms6+z0e3fazC0ksM3kEARBr BT59WX0919NUsIe+PEArs3rYMP9u+dUdoyZIxHBAKBwJnijJb1dyE/Gozpr7IA61XI UjDv91h4Oubm2XqMsWyY44ilu106Uj5Z12qaO9Xw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9517a8686584a Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH ENTRIES AT KASTNER CUP 2013 TRIUMPH RUN WEEKEND RUN GROUP? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT ENTRANTS: VSCDA feels that if our entries land between 60 and 70 cars, they will want to schedule a separate run group with just TRIUMPHS. This complicates their scheduling, it may be the best decision for them. FOR US, it means that VSCDA can schedule our run times so we can ALL take full advantage of the Saturday Afternoon activities. The Race Car drive into Elkhart, Old Course Reenactment, Gather On the Green, etc. IT ALSO means that we might all have better scheduling for Sunday departures....... So, this is not a solicitation for more entries, but for the best information possible for PLANNING PURPOSES. We seem to be at 60+ Drivers, but we will need a CAR COUNT. Contact Marty Sukey trmarty@hotmail.com if you plan to enter and have not indicated so. If we don't have a separate run group, we will try to get the best possible scheduling for the TRIUMPHS, in any case. The planning seems to be going well for a maximum FOT EXPERIENCE at ELVF. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 07:57:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FC042868 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DD442573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:57:09 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=XgLGt-nlZVEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=cyYePlHXh4IA:10 a=9sg23EZXWJ3iwtSqJBoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=nf6EDVWoHEn2Pg9aSK8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:61152] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E1/DE-12729-5678A715; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:55:49 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:56:03 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5ChcqGIvXCu2JVQku3bL6Z1SjVDQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] 6 cylinder new SS Falcon headers (WTS) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Shameless effort to fund racing program! Please contact me off-line if you are interested in a set of new Falcon stainless steel headers for TR-250/TR-6 application. I also have the SS collector pipe that makes this into a single outlet which is what one would want for any type of competition. If you do desire a dual system those pipes are also available to connect this to an aftermarket system like a Monza. I have pictures available if interested. I will sell this for considerably less than listed at any retailer. I will be at the Jefferson 500 in May and Mosport in June if that helps with delivery. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 09:11:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA01842884 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A1B4255C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 15:09:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 15:09:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 15:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 81315 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2013 15:09:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366988986; bh=bVtFNfGkOx8oZD9tzLUQO/M4Upj2FiPGH+XY3sXrNiw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0zGaU6qSCnwcijDY+w++2FU+A5ZhWCQFtS2Dl1OgJQFHyeyHBmE+rraIM+EucWY8eYJ7nSkgy4KZiXkjH2O4O9smKQXCtWncL1lluT6K+Y8JURHYO80HGJIhzZh11bP/iSqyYgTUhiTZmLMNBSyTlKbpRt0JEhD7STMdT1FTTC4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fPZQ7OsxyBJWylaBhQewMRUUVpKm5JXOaebVs5qcjJk9VG2+HIRldmAPF+dydzStNE1wkMxHgY8XCMGhB5qfXxMzXrvuZpCdgd7nhyLiuVW0CDuQ0xI9ZRcl12fovDcxlKvLdDDGZvrWh+G6dMkZA4/hYeFW6InJRCwA+/UmPxE=; FhtGW5z97HJFoI55FM.qEGZBuwm7Cq4NCMYeYJoIv0oq4AR351FAydujFaye 7yPtkLE_Ql_.RH824adx1T6l_Re9T_cW41i2C8JQLYkB2waBZKEL2VtwIemg zUt247IFbvErBkUaVtDkj3YrPAcuPhCWKp1xCj36hR6hCpx_hQUXvmmAfOKD bIAzYRy0C05Qk5yhs68Xxkfw2hg7rZFcfN5I5JOdu6WXvClLABD302nzMsux k.lQCyz6Cl_HKrK5H72nW2IVa4fdjcp78LLIU6zpqJbr.JyKw2Bsf.qHOtyW LEKQgQdJjKmGIeQXKtJVtKnYRPWxcqwRXCQutCqy9FQgJaSSWlJ7Vy4JFJeo 5bjJNkCpBHzilO4mMwG01IdDCDP6NPlLS71HzWyUherZxfV2ENA7xWlpJI3q GXadCcU5z7RtKgJffVPL.zarat4GQx7drwzaPDTKfBqdOCmpCMKzd2Xk0kv4 lQPyv44zWseR5MNV3_NOeu4NoIpgHoxJ6_kIh87LKQWe6tXDywet8WfcNrb9 e3_yK0SjWNvs13hmpJODYuIej5JdguBSQ9SWcccI- Received: from [99.162.149.142] by web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:09:46 PDT SXMgYW55b25lIHVzaW5nIGxhc2ggY2Fwcz8KSSdtIGxvb2tpbmcgYXQgdXNpbmcgdGhlc2U6Cmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY3Jvd2VyLmNvbS9sYXNoLWNhcHMtNS0xNi12dy0yMDQ3Lmh0bWwKSSdkIGxpa2UgdG8gaGVhciB0aGUgcHJvcyBhbmQgY29ucy4KSSBob3BlwqB0byBzb2x2ZSBzb21lIHdlYXIgYW5kIGdlb21ldHJ5IGlzc3Vlcy7CoCAKVGhleSB3aWxsIGFkZCBhYm91dCAuMDcwIiB0byB0aGUgdG9wIG9mIHRoZSB2YWx2ZSBzdGVtLgoKUmVnYXJkcywKVGltATABAQEB Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is anyone using lash caps? I'm looking at using these: http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html I'd like to hear the pros and cons. I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues. They will add about .070" to the top of the valve stem. Regards, Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 09:33:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7F8429A6 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy13-pub.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [69.89.16.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C0EE8403F4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32013 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 2013 15:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy13.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2013 15:31:17 -0000 Received: from [173.22.113.5] (port=52189 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UVkcH-0002G1-ES; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:31:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:31:19 -0500 To: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net>,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.22.113.5 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm using them on my TR-4. I've had to shorten them on the bench grinder to not hit the valve keeper, but they've caused not problems. My car came with roller rockers and the Lash Caps, and it seemed like a good idea so I've continued to use them. Seems like it would give a larger area for the roller tip to roll on. Tony Drews At 10:09 AM 4/26/2013, Tim Pettenati wrote: >Is anyone using lash caps? >I'm looking at using these: >http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html >I'd like to hear the pros >and cons. >I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues. >They will add about >.070" to the top of the valve stem. > >Regards, >Tim >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 11:29:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA1A42975 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D696740E1C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id xn12so3699897obc.4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:22:39 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=dhQEhYdOqmOPO6xOonRNQBY0D5p0eIIOXXAh/VMWMQk=; b=okfUpyZDX2CynTHqVMcy5VmTjb9eB/4Ol8YDismhzKUUu1DHk6Fkp/kfsT6CasRiRF jtOFJVzOJQ51uDKjWvf1Jceepk4MUepDDnnxigBN44X3JSb0XZLyPmAHaw8KxQMOE5ZC R02icsHp3HpOoUDraBMiWA/kbgNoepEcYFh2i20efrm/mhGYj2p7VHjxL1Fu5VJsNpTv S2JxI///zHrDnTsDFwnVHSPcOTFmpuF7qlqrr9FupXS4nxEouFA828yW3ty4kAvMVFol ixMtpuaYNyH2/F7KPZlo2KqHA2d/o9GVrmYSY46gW/axy4bHxCIWlDnQdhKBBREmFw3c VnRw== qa1mr18433360oeb.47.1366996959783; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.56.153.55] ([168.39.73.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wl10sm8570449obc.1.2013.04.26.10.22.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:22:34 -0500 References: <1366988986.80849.YahooMailRC@web184806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardened Valve Lash Caps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1936 Matchless V-twin engine that uses these. No issues as long as they fit right to start with. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 1936 Morgan 3-wheeler On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Is anyone using lash caps? > I'm looking at using these: > http://www.crower.com/lash-caps-5-16-vw-2047.html > I'd like to hear the pros > and cons. > I hope to solve some wear and geometry issues. > They will add about > .070" to the top of the valve stem. > > Regards, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 15:09:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CBA429CF for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B6A4295F for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UhTx1l0061wfjNsADl7oh9; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:07:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ul7n1l00E4L5TyG8jl7o4X; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:07:48 +0000 From: Bud R To: FOT triumph Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:07:47 -0600 s=q20121106; t=1367010468; bh=WhTwXTAWEJFBYtSSaH8Yk8jB6Fn0008Uyk3cdpJ/dm8=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=Gv87+eTDPhpyLwBWe/jqZJuaY1eY7fhluIIdPuTrP6+Ls2DzSZLZWn3CglpfHNGTB 0XPAUPtTz7OUFa8cIRgajTeTWxQ6pBqZvyCNUz90gat3hc5MY3bzTHLWKNFn2y99v/ hdRXbHW+wweG1xPL6FxCOtaeyC+OKImrbDAGkbcyJhpkJmJPtLKltd1r3TggdMhnbU nGsH/ov7TYPZ06UlruAP4s0LFnb/ADMCVpD12OcVmAoR4JhcMbIILYkMhAnQk4aHI7 DPZsdN8h0q6V8m37iaNWixqGhEmorwjMiVYyk6Imkw1Q/A6VmEMPDXDlkkAD5tkP01 eupxL3g7vR/Sg== Subject: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red) sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried most of the usual places but have come up empty. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 16:10:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672EB429B8 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA3C42852 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.241.105.251] (147.sub-174-237-9.myvzw.com [174.237.9.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3QM6tkJ015541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:06:58 -0400 References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:06:50 -0400 To: Bud R a=ztGE-PcVcBEA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lTXxRSEuAQj8N9Su/bKYRg==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=xeYGh0UBkX-A57zfL4MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=gaWrN1eDfF-bHu9d:21 a=0WyVOciPBHFYktoU:21 a=lTXxRSEuAQj8N9Su/bKYRg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bid. You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R wrote: > Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red) > sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni > won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from > Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried > most of the usual places but have come up empty. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 16:40:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C4C4296D for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:40:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEEC42573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:40:25 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=ztGE-PcVcBEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=4GXulTLg2lIA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=31qv8nr4AAAA:8 a=Q4WhO4JLS3KsoJAu99MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E6k37eg1NvgA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=opLBuCvLEAvCjSx9:21 a=iLyvdGBjoWcaTo2G:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:65415] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4E/94-06694-7020B715; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:39:04 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Bud R'" References: <0E4CA874-6172-4A34-9C95-9C52AFF7416B@comcast.net> <904F8C38-7F54-440E-9ACC-FA9AB48CDD63@gdhs.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:39:19 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Cyq1h86r7uxMSR1a4pwDOys5o6gABC2Dw Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'FOT triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Got it covered I believe. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:07 PM To: Bud R Cc: FOT triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni shocks 80-1389 Bid. You might call Paul Spruell in Atlanta. He is an Alfa guy, but had red ones in stock when I needed some for my Alfa...... They might be the same. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bud R wrote: > Anyone have a set (2) of Koni shocks model number 80-1389 (red) > sitting on the shelf they'd be willing to part with? Apparently Koni > won't have any until 6/11/13, at least that's what I'm hearing from > Koni Market and a bunch of other venders including TSI. I've tried > most of the usual places but have come up empty. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 17:36:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BCC42582 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591CD42458 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-16-249-182.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.16.249.182]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MLX00AI3T3U4990@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:26:20 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-04-27_08:2013-04-26,2013-04-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1302030000 definitions=main-1304270272 From: Scott Janzen Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:26:20 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Ignition timing and compression Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The GT6 recently got a nice valve job, and in the process we verified that the compression, which I had thought was 11.5:1, was actually only 10.4:1. Now, approx. 40/1000 later, it's 11.9:1. So, the question is, how much should I dial back total ignition advance from the 32 degrees I was running? Also, expectations with Weber carb set up - will different jetting be required? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 14:24:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8021A40396 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f42.google.com (mail-vb0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E294041D for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id w15so2112598vbf.15 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:07:25 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=R2kVGRlklazXtJxYsQSinln7CEfu/KGGxO+BxQ7dv4E=; b=I/cjdU2YzaANKYA9ZQh23czVbwkFl+lIHIvvtL0xZxxVWqQkW5NoyDMEZQdbStWqE7 0OppvZQSNMb/STB/DjXpOPaqK/l/E0d4A/+nxAlVHFZ6LHLDNsE8g9rLK9i8yCCFUj6e Tu48JqPgcIhxOee2rLZXE5alZFOfNoVpA7IZtu5V2vHvG8LqT3ks1Q+P28xEIK5LntuJ rwLa4zqlegqK5a42Q1zXR0ddYawgHiYPKsqq8BilbrFdeAtN7KPjfdjCmLsZ33Qz+EDy yjUT1Aact/ep0IREmK6eMBWe+kb0T1PAXaKx1zbo4Y/qSu1Ij/TbjP33reXPw8gUQ+um SeMw== u3mr4509129vdg.60.1367266045654; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.144.233 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:07:25 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] bad news and good news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The bad news is that I lost lots and lots of really cool stuff due to flooding at both basements (my home and antique store). The past week and a half was long sad 18 hour days of hauling ruined stuff to the dumpster. I accepted the loss pretty calming (to my wife's surprise, as I usually deal with things like this will lots of yelling and swearing and screaming and crying) In a rare moment of maturity, somehow I accepted the defeat graciously... put my head down, tried to keep a smile on my face and trudged through the long messy clean up. The good news is that I hauled my last garbage bag and poured my last bottle of bleach in time to get down to some serious RACING. This weekend held my annual season kick off race weekend. The Saint Joseph's College "Little 500" 3 hour endurance go kart race for students/ faculty and Alumni. I took second in the alumni race. And in a big moment of glory for Friendly Ghost Racing... our Student drove a flawless race to bring the FGR team an awesome victory. After over 100 miles of racing on the bumpy campus street course, any one of the top 5 drivers was in a position to win. Under strong attack we stayed smart under pressure and won all the marbles. After doing this for 23 years in a row now, and getting the kid's kart prepped to perfection in spite of my awful prior week... this victory is one of our sweetest to date! Funny how a few moments of glory at the track can wash away the losses of a "100 year rain". Goddamn, I must proclaim....racing is really good for the soul! I'm back at my "paddock master" desk now. New Kastner Cup Paddock information shortly forthcoming. Thanks! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 15:53:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5454D4054D for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5AE40441 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hf12so1189514vcb.5 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=motg9SfaVUosmhsk9MbYYz0H8U6xSPHJPq1umB2y1BM=; b=ArN1pEATvs1M+kjtOk4X0Kr880uzM/vY4uhHn4liwGt6sNfo5dbuqhBP2jequu+10d XxuSn/jtdHFrYi57+e/3zbsfjNGXwr2cFD6Uor4857DihTF62CUcHwaDEuxvrQFn4rA4 Dh3HiSGngez/Jukmh5/Jon8uPhXVPs/K3uIquxnAfi/LK9yV6xHEmsDeC4e+SkjPxUEe iw8pg5YqGIgEXcUbolCpRPUn6Y7TOSwt198iW8OJVVg3Qh7RevFs8UC87KfJCz59RxrK lv5ykZhcTnIa4JFfUGn42rRCZ8pnc2zbV4o2+o/aB1WT/v2vpx57JhmiZ8eMZCkz2iz9 yG1Q== ah7mr7416049vdc.110.1367271830306; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.144.233 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:43:50 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info For Kastner Cup #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is the 2nd instalment of Paddock Info for the Kastner Cup. ATTENTION ALL KASTNER CUP PARTICIPANTS: Notes on status of Garage rentals: Many of you have reserved garage spaces in the open air Lester Buildings. This will be Triumph headquarters for various aspects of The Kastner Cup. If you have reserved a space. THANK YOU! At this point there are only a few garage spots left, call it fair warning! If you have reserved a garage spot and HAVE SENT me a payment already... THANK YOU for being early to the grid. If you have reserved a garage spot and have NOT SENT payment yet... Second call! Please send $50.00 per spot payable to: Wonderland Multivintage 3731 Grand Blvd Brookfield IL 60513 (Notice to all garage renters>>> Do not be alarmed if you have not heard from me yet or gotten any official confirmation. Official confirmation in regards to garage space has not yet been given. So, Again, If you paid already, thanks...look for a personal email in the coming days in regard to your official confirmation.) Notes on General Paddock Arrangement: Negotiations and initial planning for the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK is going well. It is a rare thing to have any special paddock arrangements made at Road America. Thanks to some dedicated FoTer's voices and persistent contact with the Race-Chairmen and RA officials, so far it looks like Triumph competitors will be given five star treatment. To Be Clear.... WE are the FEATURE! To facilitate accurate planning of open space in the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK I have asked ALL TRIUMPH COMPETITORS to send me the dimensions of their paddock space needs. (dimensions of rig, canopies, tent, RV) If you have not contacted me with this info please do so now. Email jason@multivintage.com with the requested info. Opinions and Feedback and important paddock concepts thus far: 1) The Lester building / garages will work great for car prep/show for the entire weekend. 2) The garages are not secure or private (keep that in mind) 3) Your rig and trailer or RV etc. will NOT be right next to you garage spot and may be a short walk from your spot. I will try to get you as close as I can. but understand that your paddock spot (for your tow rig and trailer) will not be at an arms length from your garage spot. (please be advised and plan accordingly) 4) Tech will happen in our Triumph Paddock area. 5) RV hookup power is not technically available in our designated area. 6) If you want power, rent a garage spot.(period) 7) If you want power at you RV / rig / paddock spot plan on paying lots of money to get it or BRING a GENERATOR. 8) I have been asked "Can I run a cord from my garage spot to my Rig and tent or RV? Answer: don't count on it. 9) If You must have RV power because of any personal/ medical issues... Contact me immediately! Jason @ (312)208-5227 10) If you need anything special, now is the time to ask for it! Contact Jason @ (312)208-5227 11) If you know anyone that is not on the FOT list or that does not keep up with our emails; Please forward this info to them and urge them to contact me with any concerns and the requested details. 12) If I have forgotten anything or not mentioned something that you would like to see as part of the paddock experience for this event, I AM HERE FOR YOU to see what we can do! call Jason @ (312)208-5227 or email jason@multivintage.com 13) This is going to be totally awesome. The 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America is shaping up to be the greatest Triumph Race in the history of motorsport. Thanks! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Planing Committee/Paddock Master 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 18:58:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228E44055D for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF5140416 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.36.253]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MM100G0TMFSDEA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:52:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank float Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the crankshaft thrust bearings. I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. I was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings. Anybody done this? I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic 20 inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block, where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll pins to retain the bearings. The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled two holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template. I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling out. It seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 19:12:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030EF40568 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C86840329 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-16-249-182.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.16.249.182]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MM10019HMPHBTA0@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:58:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:58:29 -0400 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Mallory mechanical advance springs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net before I go spring for a set of these little guys to replace the ones I know I have but can't find, does anyone have some for a Mallory distributor they no longer use? They are color-coded for different spring force/ advance rates. for the GT6 . . . Summit wants 441 for the whole set - make me an offer I can't refuse! Scott _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 20:29:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236EF40537 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ED040425 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2013 22:39:32 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.60] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2013 22:39:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2013 22:39:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367275172; bh=FS/Mu++KtLYl9IpuukIr4nbgDQZBX1JmwtQW6AHLxxw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=0P2G6EzSBE1ACgewHkQohd63YwE8mwT+Wji5M1OSs/Svw/Paq4VsPaNHcguIJSND8jad7G1Qjnin37fs1XDrUK1wLUbDi0Sx5KLMq0OUpi3SLaSoHzIKruxsjSfCGhxJVgXlZYIc5MIbeNS1Rg0Jr9b56+wJNbQmGubMOlxodSs= NBohMS7mYoBhD8FCEUMwMMg4QhLWxOrbcJC0Dsi8CMwJUhs.A27Kc0ezUVFR xN17rvQU9Z1eYUJK1Jy7ikfACXsNW_nEENh8Wf_lhY13LCCNsYs4z.iNr8kU h7K9jmuajdM7MwTT_gKkF5Oc3_l2_vb9sRwD2RoP3ZuCYEyOwIY23Fk1xBpf q7Hf5TeD5oYpE4f30G7ceJJj.MyeElbTsaC9YeTk5TnGCbV2ErAkUgR8SASL 5Ws8brHO_nqv1mLm4qWaJyfbiD3E42dAWGmGmTB5jNi63pVoAEHpA3lXGi.H h43IfiNo3M8ydFQwxkWE0xVaLCNd4WuP2hEx0Jos4T1DocGIMcPjQ87IHhUE JK_wk0OJ58w9FCcz_F.c5kZD6o4v71YBCsJIe9XQYGQVT7f66rJfNhQ-- smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2013 15:39:32 -0700 PDT From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'triumph friends'" Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:39:29 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5FI/7JOOIrZ4v1RcyAowTRo9imfA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] The Mitty, ATLANTA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOTers, The Mitty, last weekend, started with beautiful Wx and ended with the sky emptying 2 inches of clear juice all over the event. Ole 196 was put in a class w/ 2 Ginnettas and a Lotus Super 7. The downpour Sunday encouraged most racers to head home early. This left the one-car class to #196 alone in the deluge. So we took it! Obviously we have no pride but the experience was extraordinary. Sheet drainage created3 hydroplaning opportunities; one right on the uphill after turn 1, another at turn 4 and the third in front of the tower. Visibility was mostly nil. Both water sheets were thrillers, kinda like hitting oil slicks. But, unlike oil, the tires will catch again. The car did, however, earn a legitimate 2nd place in the Enduro. What that old car lacks in speed and grace, it still tries to compensate with steady determination. In the eye of the fire breathing racer, this ain't very glamorous. But for this old man, it works just fine. We also picked up a 3rd place in the HSR International American Challenge. Did you know that a GT-40 will pop your ears when it flies by at full song? The only other big Triumph at the event was Randy Williams' refined TR-3. It was suffering from head gasket issues and didn't finish the weekend. What a truly exquisite machine! The Spitfires were out in force and running very fast. Leigh and Quinn Derby and Jake Kimbrough put on a fine show. The drive home in the rain with the top down on Interstate 85 was, by several magnitudes, more challenging than any of the races. Richard Taylor, TR-4 #196 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 08:29:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038EA40E34 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6003E4053C for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.71.73]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8ADB35D80A4; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:27:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bill Tobin" , References: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:27:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] crank float Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Pinning the thrust washer is a good idea, but don't use steel pins, you should use brass pins.If something should happen. at least you won't be running the crankshaft on the steel. A better fix is to machine the main cap to accept an additional thrust washer and then you'll have twice the surface area for the thrust. Instead of pins you could use brass screws. Check out the link below. http://www.customthrustwashers.com/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tobin" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 5:52 PM Subject: [Fot] crank float > Hi Gang, I'm putting my TR6 engine together and had a question about the > crankshaft thrust bearings. > I know Cas had an article in one of his books about using a Toyota setup. > I > was talking to Dave at TRF and he mentioned pinning the thrust brearings. > Anybody done this? > I was thinking about setting my block in my drill press (it's a Powermatic > 20 > inch and will handle it) and drilling two holes in the back of the block, > where the thrust washers (bearings) are fitted. Then install two 3/32 roll > pins to retain the bearings. > The drill press would keep things level and straight. I already drilled > two > holes in an old thrust bearing and plan to use it as a template. > I've never had any problems but hear about the thrust bearings falling > out. It > seems that if the clearances are right, this wouldn't happen. > Any thoughts? > Thanks, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6282 - Release Date: 04/29/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 15:53:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB5040E34 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A15440397 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:50:25 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=Xn7Vrdjer0QA:10 a=YbZ7m-f7EO5ezkRkCKoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=U8RPZ1sOIkLJFrfb:21 a=RozTP9RghCWegIen:21 a=SSdbxPwKFa8LZ0krVC0WLw==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com header.from=mnewman@embarqmail.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.mail=mnewman@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com: 10.40.66.0 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Received: from [10.40.66.0] ([10.40.66.0:60253] helo=md39.agate.dfw.synacor.com) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id 20/DB-01918-A3C30815; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "William T newman " To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici: I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph Spitfire Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car was purchased from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has owned the car twice and his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the Works drivers during the era. I will be racing SCCA Vintage using the #65, Bolton's number. I plan on finding more history on the car and may need the help of the listers in the future. Currently, I am in need of some pictutes of the original Works Spitfires that show the graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I need enough clarity in order to determine the proper font and scaling to get this graphic reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase. By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The roof is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality of the welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic. Any pictures you may have will be appreciated. Thanks, Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive