From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 20:06:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A7A42AE5 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 20:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3533428E9 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 20:06:12 -0600 (MDT) a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:17 a=PzwunHVvOysA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XhDx7aQVIzoA:10 a=VPajTqpJAAAA:8 a=iZs-ew9jAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=uN9vIVw3nNaabikyc7kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yQ0hpD3d8fgA:10 a=fKyW15S19vYA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=Kxcve8ccFbo76sAh:21 a=GMU1WKv-2u6wGgyr:21 a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:117 Received: from [76.84.234.214] ([76.84.234.214:2161] helo=guinanhp) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8C/8A-12729-9A9C1815; Thu, 02 May 2013 02:04:25 +0000 From: "Joe Guinan" To: , References: Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 21:06:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5GmN5eHQOuXMqaQ9qguCu7Q3MgZwAP6RiA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] LeMans/Sebring Spitfires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, The best photos I can find to reference are on the Spitfire & GT6 Magazine website at http://www.triumphspitfire.com/racers.html Scroll down to the entry for "The real! ABU 4B factory LeMans" and one photo shows the graphic you are specifically asking about. The image isn't the best, and the lettering is dark enough that I had not noticed it before. I wonder if the folks at Jigsaw Racing in the UK might have some photos they would share with you. There web site has some good information - http://www.jigsawracingservices.co.uk/7bintro.htm Best of luck with the effort! Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska ------------------------Original Message------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "William T newman " To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires Message-ID: <1604883989.2847178.1367358522645.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Amici: I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph Spitfire Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car was purchased from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has owned the car twice and his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the Works drivers during the era. I will be racing SCCA Vintage using the #65, Bolton's number. I plan on finding more history on the car and may need the help of the listers in the future. Currently, I am in need of some pictutes of the original Works Spitfires that show the graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I need enough clarity in order to determine the proper font and scaling to get this graphic reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase. By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The roof is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality of the welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic. Any pictures you may have will be appreciated. Thanks, Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 08:01:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAAF42AE2 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 08:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70060428E1 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 07:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id j6so538395oag.19 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=XbOwi6NgGhLjPaR9BoWXtbEhfn82TXtOPQGk65sB1go=; b=zldDAIO/i7gI4F3NpEs0xGasbADejfcmhdMlItgrZpXpGYWn7v2S/C8uWsB+vgRLWj /3FdnMV/zKL4B3qagwbBUhFui+nUN/h0Xvm5thfMrnTklWyyQAHAEGfq6rOu+P9bYhBB 6/dyFPxp6vAqgzC5l+Y/dzAjjrdj2QPAfeLt19qVN9TkQAKp6YlEAhWTDzvUpiTJKTU0 UuIYh9e7Jqf3S6BQYkHxZ7PmPyP5yfoH+lPQsa4szmZtqbI/jObzS1K3tLwiFV9wET/P dD7AYkTMQmTp46ZxTRSSt8sFYbNJ/mbFYaNBjPSSUrgEMkdZUw2TqRdj/ncFHE3X0cwr oWfQ== gt6mr1767629obb.37.1367502686609; Thu, 02 May 2013 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.92.109 with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2013 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <000f01ce46d9$98007f20$c8017d60$@rr.com> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 08:51:26 -0500 From: Mike Jankowski To: Joe Guinan Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] LeMans/Sebring Spitfires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There is a decent pic in the small red hardcover book about Triumph Spitfire and GT6 that is by Robson if I recall correctly. Mike On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bill, > > The best photos I can find to reference are on the Spitfire & GT6 Magazine > website at http://www.triumphspitfire.com/racers.html > > Scroll down to the entry for "The real! ABU 4B factory LeMans" and one > photo > shows the graphic you are specifically asking about. The image isn't the > best, and the lettering is dark enough that I had not noticed it before. > > I wonder if the folks at Jigsaw Racing in the UK might have some photos > they > would share with you. There web site has some good information - > http://www.jigsawracingservices.co.uk/7bintro.htm > > Best of luck with the effort! > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, Nebraska > > ------------------------Original Message------------------------- > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT) > From: "William T newman " > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires > Message-ID: > <1604883989.2847178.1367358522645.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Amici: > I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph Spitfire > Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car was purchased > from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has owned the car twice > and > his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the Works drivers during the era. I > will be racing SCCA Vintage using the #65, Bolton's number. I plan on > finding more history on the car and may need the help of the listers in the > future. Currently, I am in need of some pictutes of the original Works > Spitfires that show the graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I > need enough clarity in order to determine the proper font and scaling to > get > this graphic reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase. > By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The roof > is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality of the > welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic. > Any pictures you may have will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikeragtopeditor@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 13:14:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E273B42B7E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DD042537 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 12:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:54:58 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: FOT List Thread-Topic: Gingerman? Thread-Index: Ac5HZogC0Z7Zhnp/Q0KshkBAQRppDQ== Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 18:54:57 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: [Fot] Gingerman? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So, anyone else going to Gingerman Raceway this weekend for VSCDA's race? Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 13:27:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533C442BAA for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2DE42B8E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted for from ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:19 -0400 Received: from d01dlp03.pok.ibm.com (9.56.250.168) by e9.ny.us.ibm.com (192.168.1.109) with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:17 -0400 Received: from d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (d01relay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.235]) by d01dlp03.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEFCC9001E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay03.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id r42JCHga290520 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:17 -0400 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id r42JCG1t006078 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:16 -0400 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id r42JCEa9005804 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:14 -0400 To: fot@autox.team.net From: George Harmuth Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:12:11 -0400 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 05/02/2013 15:12:14 x-cbid: 13050219-7182-0000-0000-00000683DC36 Subject: [Fot] 2013 Mitty pics Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Some pictures from Sports Car Digest from the Mitty last weekend. There are five pages of pictures, Triumphs are not the featured marque but you do look good. http://www.sportscardigest.com/speedfest-classic-motorsports-mitty-2013-report-and-photos/ Mike Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 13:59:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FE242BB1 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7A424D8 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id oi10so811046obb.20 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 12:44:30 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority :sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=bir/LxzGW1KVZf12t6n4HejXI4DcgAGoyDypb38xTyA=; b=KiLXCvucyr41/5C+KTmgKOvqO15ExJNvRoaWza9TyZUdI37ppLpGxM75IGHM65nYI2 Tfi6/wbdMMPdbqIlHIBnBhw2J4l+RQo0jYha18delCcnWMOE2QpCZdMMFxnsyq4NuWgU br6p8d0d4/gJQdK/0sukKMFb39xKhiJYXnXfB27350gyJZqPPuy/Wn5YH1TAo5/Tera/ LPHDl/l2ILci5zqicXXEqvVjE+rPSPRY0NQg2ETMX66a7tAJW59u12KS03xPNh3RdoBs 6KI88a2Qe0HWgjCyQoBQd1to90qDHDRPZYAyC5ms7R/qfDwoaRTG/BLHd7VgpkumFxKv /KhQ== e1mr2182428obm.57.1367523869802; Thu, 02 May 2013 12:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.188 (bda-74-82-80-128.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jw8sm1745533obb.14.2013.05.02.12.44.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 May 2013 12:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Barr, Scott" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"FOT List" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:44:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Gingerman? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not going to make these 1st couple races. Perhaps memorial day at BHF. But more likely fathers day BHF. I'll be at RA May 17- 19, but unless a miracle sponsorship deal comes through... I won't be driving. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost racing ------Original Message------ From: Barr, Scott To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Gingerman? Sent: May 2, 2013 1:54 PM So, anyone else going to Gingerman Raceway this weekend for VSCDA's race? Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 15:32:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60A842BF8 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262944284E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130502212020.VKOE6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11>; Thu, 2 May 2013 17:20:20 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id X9LL1l00C1F7hH5059LLAG; Thu, 02 May 2013 17:20:20 -0400 a=pqTU/hr+htaw4vlmWEGdQQ==:17 a=8Gf6MNIZNgUA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=nhnvgaC8Lx0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=rWngxOrIiJ18er5o1vUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [173.14.58.13] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2013 17:20:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: "Barr, Scott" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Gingerman? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John Hagen pulled in today. Weather maybe ok?? 55 and sunny now. Got the TVR with this trip [MG Powered] sorry --but it does have Spit front and TR3-4 rear hubs/drums--thats gotta count for something. John On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > So, anyone else going to Gingerman Raceway this weekend for VSCDA's > race? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 15:33:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0936540323 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624DD42B9E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AA06B2C128E; Thu, 02 May 2013 16:26:30 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Barr, Scott'" , "'FOT List'" References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA73202A5645@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 16:26:28 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5HZogC0Z7Zhnp/Q0KshkBAQRppDQAFQ5bw Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Gingerman? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ryan and I will be there. We leave in the morning. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:55 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Gingerman? So, anyone else going to Gingerman Raceway this weekend for VSCDA's race? Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 16:52:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CC94006F for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 16:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.255]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C253B40067 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 16:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 22:40:41 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 22:40:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 22:40:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28280 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2013 22:40:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367534440; bh=oQxC1rEK+amHL2+7nGkDNkFS3hOPOw7M0c8F3V0FMzg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CpnhOSctnl1OK9IxuSQt29rjvfaBvIk0ni3lDYyvclSJnsRa9x9WcCrJy+GVm78IRr6qpL0jJWJEOA8yz34yWSW3J+93Auna/Eeed9PiPPwcxDluJm1MmQd7cuYbpuxNKV1scD1HY57zi9DN3Ros0QV7nqUSs8aMtVyqyvN7F24= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LLxO5HpbtiOKEQk44X1C3kZ0F9dC3fggNKCD71uoAERV3Blv3CeW2ynSfLThgjjheXAlPUBzHw1VbwY4Ix1ogAgIX6pIH1jgfQ5varWmgU48mo0p1K570Av5c+QP+JsBuVuWiV9FchX/0A2E1rxBtRJOuU1v7g2Q7wOuBZFBBfY=; pEh.sYrLd_bstY8rYICUvhLWLeFy8wbRLCKpUmPzQbwtHgFVQfBeyVjMlGkx 3u5dczzxtyAu9_sC8hzUV_6nJrEpB7rJBPnKu3kwKVRnoacZE_W.MUGVfmSE vlqZN8zjHmrt5N.Swq1qVOMD_r4WSe0Q5PNcIkbf3afURdb7dVbUNePNAsxT mVOExWRWgU.99DWOE5ivD0nyl7DVFa4YQD6mUPW1LYodGHkQwVfi2A6bsvjy of.FhLeBzJ5rU0wLRYiwe_ptxd3j.LOb1tT1RvnETSxwY2d6HODVDRUhUJru iuYoLheqHQ_CfHgvB.7Q0PtRZMPue_zOpdpqkdm1EU3nwc_VYRnH.1zTZ1.K 59wpfclZkW1XzdaFORrynA3wn.I9hWykCeSpxlB_Ufkoio0umxFqiqguSg14 DdRfiHXMjh4fIBf6d03Eo4yGvAzUqe7mARGor8M0pUCjgimIttotsG66qExG UsA-- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2013 15:40:40 PDT TXkgZmlyc3QgU0NDQSByYWNpbmcgd2Vla2VuZCBpbiB0aGUgR1QyIC4uIGhvcGUgaXQncyBva2F5IHRvIHNoYXJlIHdpdGggdGhlIApncm91cC4uLgpBUFBBUkVOVExZIGluIFNDQ0EgaWYgeW91IGdldCA0IG9mZiB5b3UgY2FuIGtlZXAgcmFjaW5nLi4uIEkndmUgYWx3YXlzIGJlZW4gCnRyYWluZWQgdG8gY29tZSBpbnRvIHRoZSBob3QgcGl0cyBhbmQgZ2V0IG15IGZpbmdlciB3YWdnaW5nIHNlcm1vbiBhYm91dCAKJ21haW50YWluaW5nIGNvbnRyb2wnIC4uLiAgCgoKQm9iYnkgV2hpdGVoZWFkCgpodHRwOi8BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] NOT Triumph BUT racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My first SCCA racing weekend in the GT2 .. hope it's okay to share with the group... APPARENTLY in SCCA if you get 4 off you can keep racing... I've always been trained to come into the hot pits and get my finger wagging sermon about 'maintaining control' ... Bobby Whitehead http://youtu.be/vbgM7MKrDt8 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 17:54:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D3542C62 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 17:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F6A42B23; Thu, 2 May 2013 17:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.247.183.135] (10.sub-174-254-112.myvzw.com [174.254.112.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r42NaFci010128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 May 2013 19:36:18 -0400 References: <20130502195919.39BF142B84@autox.team.net> From: John Hasty Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:36:13 -0400 To: "jason@multivintage.com" a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=wHmJY1RMpDo5ja/elhtGsA==:17 a=b4TgfONAAAAA:8 a=ynFaYIB7vQoArIw1Ln8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=kp3uRgNowesA:10 a=wHmJY1RMpDo5ja/elhtGsA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Gingerman? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone going to the Glen on June 7 etc? Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 3:44 PM, jason@multivintage.com wrote: > This message cannot be displayed because of the way it is formatted. Ask the sender to send it again using a different format or email program. text/plain _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 18:10:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE16642BFC for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 18:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E97E42B5A for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 18:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wz231l0051ap0As51C4bbE; Fri, 03 May 2013 00:04:35 +0000 Received: from [10.249.120.193] ([166.137.180.240]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XC221l0095Bc7fJ3iC2B2u; Fri, 03 May 2013 00:02:30 +0000 References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: James Gray Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 18:01:59 -0600 To: Bobby Whitehead s=q20121106; t=1367539475; bh=zwlaDU/TJt4UbyppHgUOGzkZqnC8tFC3tQ+iP+560Ok=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=fWED2ngGUFBc6r9q7RrIoaYrn8k5J0qV59pe8cZ2KThcYF19nsEwOBEh4ttTWq/hQ 27MV+xXhRl+h17be7Qsh1lPPgsEToOdh0BovVOfR8nYhqq10iFJB4rLxx9fLnpiPV5 g0SvWlc4FlxWKjbFDIRlvKfeE6WEok3jIwXpMmTJMjx678QZuv0w7zgLToF7Sx5k6Q dwoEFcDjrdSbK3IL+cdBAjZgXhWswj2Zq1ZiR+hHMFIr+49dIIqJTvO8xfV1fuatCu CYttbnDtXYs07tbJE5wx6VKmA93N5Z2g1S0ceRrmXQJAO0oXMOpa6wL1En2PDu4Ny3 nRv1Fv74cHDlA== Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] NOT Triumph BUT racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Congrats Bobby, I hope you still have all your fenders. GT2 is a great class. I always thought four off meant off the ground. Now I gotta figure out that black flag thingie. So, how did you do? Jim g Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > My first SCCA racing weekend in the GT2 .. hope it's okay to share with the > group... > APPARENTLY in SCCA if you get 4 off you can keep racing... I've always been > trained to come into the hot pits and get my finger wagging sermon about > 'maintaining control' ... > > > Bobby Whitehead > > http://youtu.be/vbgM7MKrDt8 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 19:42:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF5A42C75 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 19:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp04.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp04.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214A0429C8; Thu, 2 May 2013 19:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b15.c12.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.115]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r431POp9023623; Fri, 3 May 2013 01:28:25 GMT References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Bobby Whitehead" , fot-bounces@autox.team.net, "FoT Triumph" From: dforeman@fooddude.com Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 01:27:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] NOT Triumph BUT racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bobby, I just returned from 3 day ssca school at msr houston. During the school u had to drive thru, otherwise it is a suggestion. That school is a blast, by the way, with the spit broken (but ready for ec) is drove the daily 05 mustang gt straight stock. Replaced brake pads at end of day 2. Over 300 track miles at this school. In the school, there were 3 brand new purpose built camaros, gt2? They (and I in the spit) will be at tws memorial weekend for the double-i think robert too. Have idle inn rented for that too if u need... >>>>Sent via Wireless<<<< David Foreman -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 15:40:40 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] NOT Triumph BUT racing My first SCCA racing weekend in the GT2 .. hope it's okay to share with the group... APPARENTLY in SCCA if you get 4 off you can keep racing... I've always been trained to come into the hot pits and get my finger wagging sermon about 'maintaining control' ... Bobby Whitehead http://youtu.be/vbgM7MKrDt8 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 09:30:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30B142957 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s10.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s10.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F06E42587 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU172-W4 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 3 May 2013 08:17:24 -0700 From: Rich Rock To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 11:17:24 -0400 References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <86D73C55-824C-4CB1-90C2-EFE179BFBAD1@comcast.net> FILETIME=[509A3390:01CE4811] Subject: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happens all the time at Weatherly Hillclimb as the faster cars crest the hill. To see a pic pic of Richard Good in his TR6 go to www.shutterspeedfoto.com/hillclimb_gallery From the galleries menu select 2012, Spring Weatherly, Group 1. Then select the photo group 101-120.. The pic will be the first one in that group. Sorry, for some reason I can't link to the picture directly . It's a bit of work but it's a pretty good shot, definitely worth seeing. Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 09:48:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1578D4292A for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:48:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B98B426BF for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 09:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 3 May 2013 10:37:23 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: FOT List Thread-Topic: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Thread-Index: AQHOSBLcB1JaBumk70GMUw37DAey7JjzlzgQ Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:37:22 +0000 References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <86D73C55-824C-4CB1-90C2-EFE179BFBAD1@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: Re: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Impressive! I am pretty sure I got Four Off (The Ground) when I broke a rear axle off of the Spit, exiting Turn 4 at Blackhawk. The brake backing plate excavated a large chunk of asphalt and suddenly the car was helicoptering down track toward the back gate. I was just glad I didn't get upside down. I hate having to repaint the top of the roll bar. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Rock Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:17 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Happens all the time at Weatherly Hillclimb as the faster cars crest the hill. To see a pic pic of Richard Good in his TR6 go to www.shutterspeedfoto.com/hillclimb_gallery From the galleries menu select 2012, Spring Weatherly, Group 1. Then select the photo group 101-120.. The pic will be the first one in that group. Sorry, for some reason I can't link to the picture directly . It's a bit of work but it's a pretty good shot, definitely worth seeing. Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:03:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0DC4299A for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:03:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E442240E43 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 10:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 16:56:05 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.205] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 16:56:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 16:56:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367600165; bh=gBEJ9Q3w7v0Zpu6KcC/eMAorHZzyNY8e4Cd2uSVPhWQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:References:From:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Cc:To:X-Mailer; b=4Oz94DneLYes5YXJoqfz7gA7SnSVKEe+zsVTm0RrVueGRW258OaacWXJgNYXbhIGicgH20WHqLLPJfL9ERbGyXpR/xZn26AgGJxBgpBbdNPGYDtxjqeT265IFrqeUhfTUqDjlSsR1GegJ9m8gqHh0l8pYZ82ErH92IGRavkGf20= NMdYdpPC4w2QCT8Q0y6l9.U72.0OxfPC_jIaPkc1VHV5a6FomuIUZW0eRsT7 f3XloBqLeX1WQ541wApR2Xq_eNmZfUEG4Pmreqf30BYKiWl2wwYRaff3AVyh TypK1MH14gCQih4SfsLlNgn4e_raSk7Xu8K1.S1pMM.TWNOC949GjsIiR_pt 7POavx3voth76Cn6ZxgkQBF95Pgv5PPNDZSB1bYC9_H.zrTB3v8Rv_fqmUIA H5Qj3nt42A0CBXrvpzGa_OlYy_csyDvKhTIdp6RfnQUa63LHsps5KedZ.RvG gDprIyFRVH9vAnS_a4XgKh4dx35lVkyZ8X8rKQLf5XW7QPZYXq1pQlcQzcRj 24G7BCy6Q42A7nP94kT.3GHWSB.PaP5BUFKobyaHQfAPIs7QvAO1vSg7SE8z Ca3ndmRZrGOOLTeTnxuy4rOZMp_pZSPGgTkVNQ5U_8k4Z7rR6PNGdTmnCzDc qiVbUUeaEwgazklEIBqTPxre5tHF5ZC1tybY3OQoSpYqTVdtNrh.3zn8RQeF GemJUcRW4nJuU7eyAcVw1e_dH44homY6brX4K8E6dzIaDsCNz9Q-- xymcookie) by smtp114-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2013 09:56:05 -0700 PDT References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <86D73C55-824C-4CB1-90C2-EFE179BFBAD1@comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA73202A6AEA@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> From: Mike Munson Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 11:29:20 -0500 To: "Barr, Scott" Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Upside down, kinda like what happened to Mark Craig at Savannah! He had video posted somewhere. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On May 3, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > Impressive! > > I am pretty sure I got Four Off (The Ground) when I broke a rear axle off of > the Spit, exiting Turn 4 at Blackhawk. The brake backing plate excavated a > large chunk of asphalt and suddenly the car was helicoptering down track > toward the back gate. I was just glad I didn't get upside down. I hate > having to repaint the top of the roll bar. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Rich Rock > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:17 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) > > Happens all the time at Weatherly Hillclimb as the faster cars crest the > hill. > To see a pic pic of Richard Good in his TR6 go to > www.shutterspeedfoto.com/hillclimb_gallery From the galleries menu select > 2012, Spring Weatherly, Group 1. Then select the photo group 101-120.. The > pic will be the first one in that group. Sorry, for some reason I can't link > to the picture directly . It's a bit of work but it's a pretty good shot, > definitely worth seeing. > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:20:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D59842974 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com (mail-pb0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96294255D for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id um15so1001168pbc.9 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eSuLher2q7q2epkJE7rXzOaD3Z7jHzfXxS/jT+z2fzQ=; b=akUwS5SAvJU4Myx8nCoyuH1MG5ZYZJsP9lGZBhwEenc5QFBAXeNOt7lmWGK6yhmM+l RRhUzE1tS0b4+m+1ljCWfu0hSb/1urq3FAqeoJGVMk8ZztVzRvYa8wEYzcJwqGfwly/0 psNLHTaQj/2jxS7C6dwZzAHDroIpFE1mXrLldlsmsNqPBe7WpoSlTutit64WgUom0Bqd ex0Hrkg9cgM3CAQD5tisg/kCPxmYE+GTyZ16lx8QzjxUkwiqIaR7dz8vj9FrXmvKl42i 4FTD2hcOEr6VYgEZcl3n84/auSqpgRvdlvnVHtEO6g0auIzmZnQbLOYnEDdcVWKNonrK JSHw== ja2mr14676039pbb.65.1367601212382; Fri, 03 May 2013 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.161.131 with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <86D73C55-824C-4CB1-90C2-EFE179BFBAD1@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:13:32 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Rich Rock Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Definitely a very cool picture! Sure a good test of all of Mr. Good's suspension products -- as I presume he landed well! On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Rich Rock wrote: > Happens all the time at Weatherly Hillclimb as the faster cars crest the > hill. > To see a pic pic of Richard Good in his TR6 go to > www.shutterspeedfoto.com/hillclimb_gallery From the galleries menu > select > 2012, Spring Weatherly, Group 1. Then select the photo group 101-120.. The > pic will be the first one in that group. Sorry, for some reason I can't > link > to the picture directly . It's a bit of work but it's a pretty good shot, > definitely worth seeing. > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:37:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E5542974 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B9442839 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r43HPWrN016648; Fri, 3 May 2013 13:25:36 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Mike Munson'" , "'Barr, Scott'" References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><86D73C55-824C-4CB1-90C2-EFE179BFBAD1@comcast.net><82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA73202A6AEA@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8D983E32-3933-49FB-83A8-C0A7A0AF4A6C@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:25:30 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5IH/V7LKMes4SUTpGxlhkgovEf4AAAxoLA a=9vAVoURKTNAA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=MJIo3LPEAAAA:8 a=5ekhgvP1AAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=_LyEwOArqZLwHSCFdnsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=IeVFYImMg6QA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=up6_jvDIbjNvXS3d:21 a=en7HiZ0VZjGkQe6M:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow! I saw Mark's "tumble" I think I counted 5 rolls... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:29 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) Upside down, kinda like what happened to Mark Craig at Savannah! He had video posted somewhere. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 On May 3, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > Impressive! > > I am pretty sure I got Four Off (The Ground) when I broke a rear axle > off of > the Spit, exiting Turn 4 at Blackhawk. The brake backing plate > excavated a large chunk of asphalt and suddenly the car was > helicoptering down track toward the back gate. I was just glad I > didn't get upside down. I hate having to repaint the top of the roll bar. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf > Of Rich Rock > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:17 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Four Off (The Ground) > > Happens all the time at Weatherly Hillclimb as the faster cars crest > the hill. > To see a pic pic of Richard Good in his TR6 go to > www.shutterspeedfoto.com/hillclimb_gallery From the galleries menu select > 2012, Spring Weatherly, Group 1. Then select the photo group > 101-120.. The pic will be the first one in that group. Sorry, for > some reason I can't link > to the picture directly . It's a bit of work but it's a pretty good > shot, definitely worth seeing. > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:38:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC7A40520 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D04E42839 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130503172733.PYUH10448.mta21.charter.net@imp11>; Fri, 3 May 2013 13:27:33 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id XVTZ1l00R1F7hH505VTZyD; Fri, 03 May 2013 13:27:33 -0400 a=RrExULt6xgns9LNiSjyY5A==:17 a=PNwlc9u26YUA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=YKyH-doQyy0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=qqHc70GnxjAA:10 a=3evWWUYHAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MGqCzRw8AAAA:20 a=aCSeHs0A5agO2L3i6ZQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=8bhb2JtpnLSUlYcA:21 a=JVPfCaFZk7npEXxI:21 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [207.43.85.99] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Fri, 3 May 2013 13:27:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Kelley To: William T newman User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lemans/Sebring Spitfires Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Below is a link to video taken at 1965 24 hrs of LeMans. The pictures are a bit grainy but I thinkl you can gather some useful information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpepDRqcFCo Jeff Kelley On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:48 PM, William T newman wrote: > Amici: > I have recently purchased a replica of one of the 1964/65 Triumph > Spitfire Works effort cars that raced at Sebring and Lemans. The car > was purchased from Tim Slater in West Palm Beach, Florida. Tim has > owned the car twice and his godfather was Peter Bolton, one of the > Works drivers during the era. I will be racing SCCA Vintage using the > #65, Bolton's number. I plan on finding more history on the car and > may need the help of the listers in the future. Currently, I am in > need of some pictutes of the original Works Spitfires that show the > graphics "Triumph Spitfire" on the front wings. I need enough clarity > in order to determine the proper font and scaling to get this graphic > reproduced locally for installation on my new purchase. > By the way, the car is BRG with a Rick Cline built 1300cc engine. The > roof is from a GT6 instead of the original fiberglass, but the quality > of the welding and restoration/reproduction is teriffic. > Any pictures you may have will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bill Newman #44 GT6 & 1965 Spitfire > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffreykelley@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:51:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6BA429C8 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:51:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2B14255D for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 17:43:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.62] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 17:43:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 17:43:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367602994; bh=8izFkVpjllx/Q2Gr9a/JU488itI2lqH+5Dr+mZrp64M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=kk4IZs1uT/kpndxyPn/6IgaDdw8qHgWY7IUC2F7RSjpCxs2yZlD7J8RW2HPaRqwa/YApLSw5i3k3ZSAHZa4Y19lJaRVZtB43kOOkMSl7kgI4WOugHLmYgMFkhTdeChPXkMccCkewgC9AOvZgghJOe18XfUaseM69JDzFu5leq9Q= cF1J8DHHoT2dj1hTznHXJe.11COTcVJkwC0bSF4FEDTnQRaUkgs2ll56ti8I 3jUFtGL_YiFgffxY7AciZ9HEaOeCck2NtYXflfFd6VRS9.jj0qhOOAq8Kqmw wXNQoOyxgNrFBBvsPhzKG2UeSaq2B_m_OXq77MAHImF6Y5BXb0qI5kOH3ZEX AI4EMgzAXbYUnLTw7R9EPVgHI_8IQY6uSCEI_pQAXRQizsapyv2mJvwN9dl1 0fKckQsqvmnKSE.HNgfoGDO9a0CuFTnW9pf931ZGvrfYrsm0fE00uF_2DG1Y osxl92RKmkuVtUm6ujXG_Oi84_knVv97wWuFvHKmwi.I_7lZ6luhyW1iJr.2 Bj0FXe3nKufk0tbGb9GvSjiKn8uvWlVzQqIBunCgJwBYzdqAMHs3L9lEsoxl 5zZWy0nzJX3ZdeYRNvjh7vn.8OAIr2WS5rkYdt1kp login) by smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2013 10:43:14 -0700 PDT To: fot From: Dennis DeLap Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 12:43:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A M I C I Anyone out there ever used Venolia pistons in their tractor motor? I am looking for clearance specs. Thanks D _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 16:15:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F61E42957 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 16:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFA440533 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 16:08:12 -0600 (MDT) a=vAtXzVU56rJv+3P9OoH/kQ==:17 a=WxKbIKHEf64A:10 a=FGx7159uJ7gA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=7txdf8TquRcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=woS1qgj7V5qXHsUi9LQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=3R2HvR-izXCJougwNt4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=iZH3gs7nht0OWsgG:21 a=vAtXzVU56rJv+3P9OoH/kQ==:117 Received: from [68.204.228.130] ([68.204.228.130:49220] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E9/E7-02984-7D434815; Fri, 03 May 2013 22:06:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 18:03:09 -0400 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <512333.84984.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Venolia pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use them at 6 thousandths. Venolia's recommendation. Building an engine with them right now. Bob On 5/3/13 1:43 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > Anyone out there ever used Venolia pistons in their tractor motor? > I am looking for clearance specs. > Thanks > D > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 17:49:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC3942AD0 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 17:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E7340528 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 17:38:25 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=7txdf8TquRcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=1b4bpY2qtWKnLrYFjtIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:50110] helo=Russlaptop) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 2C/89-22134-DF944815; Fri, 03 May 2013 23:36:29 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Bob Davis'" , References: <512333.84984.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5184341D.2000108@cfl.rr.com> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 19:36:27 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5IS4+km+8LGjvZRruZX7sk/QqdfwACyWRg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Venolia pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use them in a Spitfire and went with Venolia's recommendation. Been running them for the past 6 years. No problem handling 8K+ Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Davis Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 6:03 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Venolia pistons I use them at 6 thousandths. Venolia's recommendation. Building an engine with them right now. Bob On 5/3/13 1:43 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > Anyone out there ever used Venolia pistons in their tractor motor? > I am looking for clearance specs. > Thanks > D > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 18:04:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2007842564 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 18:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3684642544 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 18:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.240.27.5] (205.sub-174-252-152.myvzw.com [174.252.152.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r44029kP004742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 3 May 2013 20:02:12 -0400 References: <512333.84984.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5184341D.2000108@cfl.rr.com> <000001ce4857$081c2560$18547020$@rr.com> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 20:02:06 -0400 To: Spitfire Racing a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lSFuP/Wjji68N/gkOF1yDA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=omRDXFEFNEDutOzrawgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=lSFuP/Wjji68N/gkOF1yDA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Venolia pistons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net J&E = 3.5. Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > I use them in a Spitfire and went with Venolia's recommendation. Been > running them for the past 6 years. No problem handling 8K+ > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob Davis > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 6:03 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Venolia pistons > > I use them at 6 thousandths. Venolia's recommendation. Building an engine > with them right now. > > Bob > > On 5/3/13 1:43 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: >> A M I C I >> Anyone out there ever used Venolia pistons in their tractor motor? >> I am looking for clearance specs. >> Thanks >> D >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 20:25:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C901429C8 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 20:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBE6424D8 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 20:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 02:18:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 02:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 17662 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2013 02:18:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367633914; bh=inBiWi2utkWLmbggZOaFV+5aymxXGjaqcA6fMi0K460=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PITT5dGoJ61y5NRCfB+pyuCY+TlvqtMbm/NDUCou3q1oJaKM0MnRtWsrtyItzjh5QRiPl+sIcgN6szfJa/DSNih8e9j4uKxY8RxdwODftqTXiSzdPWz6xDJXDPn8O+s/hEhYj1BxgdTi2z2bjxF8GIzzUYXLJGWPe7p/zQDKwN4= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uF5tqe0yBmywiWjRSn63U1B3I/p0MVjbwEjU4KpR7vn2S3U0bVvmuiOtg1ekZTXYq3i3boQ6y7CCovc9+mvGM8jHWk5UAycIaNKYFngcuHkIajhSfsI3R+RZZCWIjTfLZGcGMYfHvA2LRENb4arnsZZslRD/Yh0DcK2Ap2jITos=; LMkDUr4eeDib0rodRhsHuIa_IwjAAQwoOG7h2FF8xozo4w2bla5nBcFqUUuF 4GYZu..oGAq48RKYELns5W3tTN_5umcF2QTN.Hf9DNirPKi2zbdun.kj6ldT _3aeLEcx.ia2_3_WzD0MB1g_ySAAM7dwQKb1SIbXh5ikXM4UGRS0lDW1SiT_ IvnuRyHDfhMvnmEMMTygyv5TSIINZCfB5V05hgCjzeM5gLHiy4JsU42AZUYV B9lnyVxF3tC22RldmThneB0x.thRpYSr6EAo20kVKNcPC7fELuIxZ5Lv6k0z za.jsZPXmNxvQx2nKnwqGB9eFBUoTwSrQHqMdXqI9yiz3xcDXvbDx.xbqH9l QxAIpkhuRqh0Ofc802uqdw8ynsEUyS_w6hG_zxe0_Of5mSBOa2UOuC564VRP S4OmDb5zSSRbPcvWTxdNPHSkehIVNkSu_ghwY_02BgbFXLje0NB_P2Kjcxpg S917Wl5nvU6BJlIEp9RmPCrZeDwaS7WouGtjGg2p3gitUE0HGxhgBhVX5GiN JZ79ba.hTT5eOlplfmy0zkCy8O0WsZVfB Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2013 19:18:34 PDT SSB3YXMgZXhjaXRlZCBJIHdhcyBzdWIgMjowMCBhIGNvdXBsZSBvZiBsYXBzLi4uSSBjYW1lIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgUGFub3ogb24gdGhlIAppbnNpZGUgb2YgdGhlIGJhY2sgc3RyYWlnaHQgYW5kIGdvdCBmb3VyIG9mZiBhZ2Fpbi4uLmF0IFRIQVQgcG9pbnQgSSBmZWx0IGxpa2UgSSAKd2FzIGRyaXZpbmcgYmV5b25kIG15IGxpbWl0cyAgc28gSSBjYW1lIGluIGJlZm9yZSB0aGUgMTggbGFwcyB3YXMgY29tcGxldGVkLi4uIEkgCmNhbGwgaXQgdW5kZXItc3RlZXIgYnV0IEkgdGhpbmsgdGhlIHRpcmVzIHdlcmUBMAEBAQE- References: <1367534440.59176.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <86D73C55-824C-4CB1-90C2-EFE179BFBAD1@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 19:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: James Gray Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] NOT Triumph BUT racing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I was excited I was sub 2:00 a couple of laps...I came around the Panoz on the inside of the back straight and got four off again...at THAT point I felt like I was driving beyond my limits so I came in before the 18 laps was completed... I call it under-steer but I think the tires were just slippery at that point... I did come up to the Panoz driver after the fact and apologized for the 'bone head' move because I didn't want to be known as 'that guy' who doesn't have a clue...all for naught though....as I was appreciated for even trying to apologize.. Bobby To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 7:04:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] NOT Triumph BUT racing Congrats Bobby, I hope you still have all your fenders. GT2 is a great class. I always thought four off meant off the ground. Now I gotta figure out that black flag thingie. So, how did you do? Jim g Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > My first SCCA racing weekend in the GT2 .. hope it's okay to share with the > group... > APPARENTLY in SCCA if you get 4 off you can keep racing... I've always been > trained to come into the hot pits and get my finger wagging sermon about > 'maintaining control' ... > > > Bobby Whitehead > > http://youtu.be/vbgM7MKrDt8 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 08:01:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9753B40407 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 08:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19519403FD for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 08:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A28C770000099 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mta005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.145]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7ABD5E000081 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 09:59:26 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1367848766; bh=1nW6VnoxiX/wd2wmcfgrCvWeCaBAf2l6MNc+Lew+Ve4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qIH2x9Tn6ADkkQZl0b9VeC6XNpLQHnVFHAGH9tURMUf8R8c3y7qn0UtIEs9KJ2t6y BzflFIhW6C7fnEIac69Jtq6xzr9/++UCfD5Bbw2lzIt5ZIsax+izPry+mH1DYZR5OU k5U9I8ILX0WtKXqDvUxWMPppZoCCekF8LHlwkNrk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095187b73e7914 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici... Bob Wismer tells me that VSCDA's annual opening event (and School) at Gingerman Raceway this past week end was a big success. He said some thirty students, and over one hundred twenty racers showed up. That's a full house at Gingerman, and a good sign for the state of affairs. All very good. Gingerman is the only VSCDA event that I have never attended. Its traditional first week end in May dates conflict with the Kentucky Derby. While I don't build my own engines, I do spend a half a year handicapping all of the prep races and getting ready for the Derby and the other Triple Crown races. My handicapping suggested VERRAZANO would win. He came in 15th. I bet on GOLDENCENTS, a front runner who appeared to be a better bet on the sloppy track. He virtually quit (18th) after finding out he could not keep up with the torrid pace of early race leader PALACE MALICE. ORB, a horse I picked to run third won the Derby and looked great. Maybe I'll give building engines a try. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 08:37:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF1A40E5F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 08:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EAA40552 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 08:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:34:42 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "fot@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Thread-Index: AQHOSmICZnHL25+pb0mHse525oS2u5j4NMVQ Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 14:34:41 +0000 References: <7d00.423a125d.3eb9113e@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It really was a great weekend. The weather even cooperated for once! Very windy at times, though - this was the first time I ever remember having a cross-wind hit me in the face behind my full stock windscreen. There were about a million Spridgets there, and some really FAST ones. I was fortunate to run mid-pack in Group 2. For better or worse, I was the only Spitfire there (other than a cornerworker's lovely Spit4), and Tim/Ryan Murphy and Bob Wismer were the only TR4s. (I didn't miss anyone, did I?) Tim's bionic knee was giving him trouble, but Ryan jumped in the car and did the team proud. Very nice drive, Ryan! Had a great time chasing John Hagen's TVR around. Even managed to get by him once or twice, but couldn't make it stick. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:59 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Amici... Bob Wismer tells me that VSCDA's annual opening event (and School) at Gingerman Raceway this past week end was a big success. He said some thirty students, and over one hundred twenty racers showed up. That's a full house at Gingerman, and a good sign for the state of affairs. All very good. Gingerman is the only VSCDA event that I have never attended. Its traditional first week end in May dates conflict with the Kentucky Derby. While I don't build my own engines, I do spend a half a year handicapping all of the prep races and getting ready for the Derby and the other Triple Crown races. My handicapping suggested VERRAZANO would win. He came in 15th. I bet on GOLDENCENTS, a front runner who appeared to be a better bet on the sloppy track. He virtually quit (18th) after finding out he could not keep up with the torrid pace of early race leader PALACE MALICE. ORB, a horse I picked to run third won the Derby and looked great. Maybe I'll give building engines a try. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 09:16:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B82040E11 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F6E403FC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 6 May 2013 10:11:30 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "fot@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Spitfire rear suspension Thread-Index: Ac5Ka/4I92YHsqTuRICU15LZheWfrw== Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:11:30 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So, one of the features of Gingerman, as revised, is a long, long left-hand sweeper, which invites the driver to slide the car through as fast has he/she feels is appropriate. It's a little like Road America's carousel, I'd say, but downhill and off-camber in places, lumpier, and not quite so uniform somehow. Anyway, I noticed the Spit rear suspension "bucking" a little as I ran through there. That's the best way I can describe it. I'd be sliding the car through there and the rear would catch and hop just a little. Spooky feeling. I would prefer it didn't do this at that sort of speed. Any good ideas of where to start with this? Is it likely the tire is rolling over too much? Dreaded swing-axle tuck? I thought about mounting my GoPro under there to see what can be seen, ala Chris Marx. Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:09:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882BB42580 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E13140078 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.250] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 13:03:40 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 13:01:24 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5Ke1dKL1UGAlRQSm25diOY9lupEg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4 alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am going to have my local shop check the alignment on my TR4, without sounding too naive, are there basic specs that I should give him for neutral handling (excepting camber) or do I let him use the specs in his computer. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AFF42808 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77CD403D0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yfp71l0030mlR8UA6h6gAr; Mon, 06 May 2013 17:06:40 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yh6f1l00J2yr1eL8Xh6fyQ; Mon, 06 May 2013 17:06:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 17:06:39 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Scott Barr (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1367860000; bh=2LOUqWpZDxKQMvKlP9NjI3YDTZHwSIET6BswV6kBUEo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GHSAASXaN1PPdEGYfoH58r6V902Uz74HDXr7r52WW9KyooDDvK1R36nK13ARNlGU4 PHwo0eNUbhtcGdwiLUHNaOvxUi6pU+AbwayMDtQSzY9Wz1swFQgm8fpKxPqw0EhDID Jc8xIAQXw/m0D0IfKOaIvA/1UvJNPaQODQimmcRZQD20W86eZ5npMIHoIZ0DDXANzu UbPDt5cpdYHrkW3qWthuTwTl075SEWVl8O/fSYd/E3geZRe86VaJpyJ+CUd2nJzDW3 Kwxn/OvOqHZIjsV3GysvQ31xvtWHsyNuzDUb+a78WUwpl4wkRTzskgirbLYp1tx/SD Mh7iBP+zR9IbQ== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire rear suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, Downhill, off camber and lumpy suggest the rear end is unloading periodically over the lumpy bits. Assuming your tire pressures and spring rates are already dialedB IB wouldB tighten up the rebound dampening on the rear shocks but I don't know if you have that adjustment on yours. If you can't adjust just the rebound then just a stiffer overall setting may settle it down. Tightening up the rear sway bar a smidge may help too. Downhill & off camber you also may need to look at the front end to make sure some excessive dive or roll isn't upsetting a normally well behaving rear e nd. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Barr" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 9:11:30 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire rear suspension So, one of the features of Gingerman, as revised, is a long, long left-hand sweeper, which invites the driver to slide the car through as fast has he/she feels is appropriate. B It's B a little like Road America's carousel, I'd say, but downhill and off-camber in places, lumpier, and not quite so uniform somehow. Anyway, I noticed the Spit rear suspension "bucking" a little as I ran through there. B That's the best way I can describe it. B I'd be sliding the car through there and the rear would catch and hop just a little. B Spooky feeling. B I would prefer it didn't do this at that sort of speed. Any good ideas of where to start with this? B Is it likely the tire is rolling over too much? B Dreaded swing-axle tuck? B I thought about mounting my GoPro under there to see what can be seen, ala Chris Marx. Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:12:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB67842820 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D504006F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:12:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb10so2133886pad.9 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=b1ukxM4iMhtc55nt4dQ8W2aaXtgYIFtKfR/C+DDRdIU=; b=pJpykUTBakgNlHQmKocXy1E3AAIfuiC6LaqQc5OIxYEmR844g3tyNzWaLWPn/1p2Xc WpmOEzGWdn1MgoWlosajgpWzuDfMilDWytF74BTiJBiDI15nHOu2L9ck4w5De3jnIb6M uYnwduKHh3qeESOM7xnA2/ju0K1jnUOhsBrbU53lys17RiokPFf+n6TyzK1b+50J4l8i +/VKsp7Fj0evCnihxIaodxJxQXjsMNFKuFUGTn9gooRwSt0AQCyytc4xao7faD3sn++5 6nQMgRgfTXwjqt6B+vT2BjuGmEWuZncWBsJefaXowRniDyUHE+/Saj4Dg1Ba3xQyXRBA snWA== b2mr27069372paw.112.1367860224829; Mon, 06 May 2013 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.44] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ag4sm24605614pbc.20.2013.05.06.10.10.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 May 2013 10:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 07:10:21 -1000 References: <005701ce4a7b$57bd4e20$0737ea60$@net> To: "Mike Moore" Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 alignment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are you going to race it, or drive it on radials, or do you plan to street drive it on skinny bias-ply tires. On May 6, 2013, at 7:01 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > I am going to have my local shop check the alignment on my TR4, without > sounding too naive, are there basic specs that I should give him for neutral > handling (excepting camber) or do I let him use the specs in his computer. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 15:14:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EE94041B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 15:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2169403D3 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 15:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h1so755648oag.11 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:12:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4GazLh53b+C98pFT6q9VJq40oEbymbkmqDixGssSqLM=; b=HJ6w4LZ03A0Q+gWvmX1Y3EvbxeTJ00vqNbfyQXVf92NhrTCUoT6qch0xA2F3cmLiob EaYtYOz/neg4CMUThhOPZ0ILvNusSXCoc5ihvQnZYSNJGsLLvYb+AkE6tn+OUhH9geXK mezs9adNa/A1+exB6dqgFHK/QHT3DQSLfvz6edPK5nYXc+ZlUaluyi6jQPQKGcsFR5+8 tZbxLrUREMvP0EW/C1z4AnTawJ6wG0gl6HZTbjgZk2hfpu2v5+owfsXjlQbsq0HFRhMp F+Fr/QijcOC4SsjidpUVGmvLdH3XqmWNtZtvco+eBvtUwxU3Pgx5P3qgj/bV3D/JBvXJ WYNw== wa8mr6106977obc.2.1367874754084; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.92.109 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:12:33 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 16:12:33 -0500 From: Mike Jankowski To: robert bownes Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Finally cleaning out the backlog of my FOT emails. Figured I'd throw my long drive stories out there. Had a 1980 TR7 convertible and went from Indianapolis, IN back to my parents in Kingston NY, drove all over the Catskills and Adirondacks and back in about a week and a half. Well over 2k miles of driving. Also drove a TR4 from Indy to the UP of MI, then down to a really big lake in KY, (Cumberland?) within 2 days, sailed on a houseboat on that lake for a week, then drove from there to Montreal for the GP. Then down to Kingston again, then back to Indy. No clue what the miles were. For some reason I want to do another epic drive in my current Triumph Spitfire. Mike On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:20 PM, robert bownes wrote: > I think the original question was about race hours rather than road > trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... > > Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top > down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to > Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then > non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the > neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can > only be pulled off in college. ;) > > > Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race > destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer > wrote: > > > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > > drive > > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is > due > > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf > of > > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > > determined > > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > > space. > > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the > second > > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we > were > > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > > where we > > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around > the > > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > > oil > > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > > 2300 > > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > > engine..great > > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > > TR4 he > > acquired shortly after our return. > > > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikeragtopeditor@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 16:26:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7586140431 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A199403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DonPC (modemcable136.60-131-66.mc.videotron.ca [66.131.60.136]) by VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPA id <0MME00B1SE2BF010@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> for FOT@autox.team.net; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: 'Mike Jankowski' , 'robert bownes' References: Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 18:20:32 -0400 Thread-index: Ac5KnnGCkocatUYpQT6lAOD6LkQEKgACAe4g Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As for the longest drive in my 1958 TR3A which I bought brand new in May, 1958, I drove a total of 7300 "touring" miles from Montreal to VTR in Portland Oregon in 2000 and then back home. Back about 1960 to 1963, I rallied my TR3A extensively and it was nothing unusual to have a 500 or 600 mile rally. Most was navigational, but during the night sections, we had some spirited speeds to try to meet - not to be late at the next control. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A Montreal, Canada PS - I have driven "TRusty" over 110,000 miles since I did the full restoration from 1987 to 1990. In 2007, VTR gave me 384 points out of 400 in the judged concourse after having driven 94,000 miles since it was restored. --------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Jankowski Sent: May-06-13 5:13 PM To: robert bownes Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive Finally cleaning out the backlog of my FOT emails. Figured I'd throw my long drive stories out there. Had a 1980 TR7 convertible and went from Indianapolis, IN back to my parents in Kingston NY, drove all over the Catskills and Adirondacks and back in about a week and a half. Well over 2k miles of driving. Also drove a TR4 from Indy to the UP of MI, then down to a really big lake in KY, (Cumberland?) within 2 days, sailed on a houseboat on that lake for a week, then drove from there to Montreal for the GP. Then down to Kingston again, then back to Indy. No clue what the miles were. For some reason I want to do another epic drive in my current Triumph Spitfire. Mike On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:20 PM, robert bownes wrote: > I think the original question was about race hours rather than road > trips...But if you are going to talk road trips... > > Albany, NY to Dallas Tx for the 1989 VTR meet. Nonstop in the TR6. top > down. Race in Dallas (win), pick up buddy at airport, drive to > Minneapolis/St. Paul over 1.5 days (top down), spend 2 days in MSP, then > non stop MSP->ALB some of it in the rain. Total somewhere in the > neighborhood of 3400 miles in about 8 days. Was an epic road trip that can > only be pulled off in college. ;) > > > Plenty of other great road trips in that car... All with a race > destination. My favourite is still autox on the streets of Waterloo, Iowa. > > Bob > > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Vintage Racer > wrote: > > > During Spring break from college in 1966, a good friend and I decided to > > drive > > my 1959 TR3 from the San Francisco Bay Area to Guaymas, Mexico which is > due > > south of Nogales. Guaymas was a very small fishing village on the Gulf > of > > California and the only plans we made were to camp on a yet to be > > determined > > beach during our week stay. In order to pack camping essentials and our > > clothes we had to leave the side curtains behind due to lack of storage > > space. > > We left early one morning and arrived in Guaymas the evening of the > second > > day. We alternated driving at each gas stop. On our third morning we > were > > surprised to see two of our dorm mates driving towards the same beach > > where we > > were headed. We joined forces and had an enjoyable time bumming around > the > > area. The drive home was made in two days but the TR required a quart of > > oil > > at every gas stop. Other than that, the car never missed a beat over the > > 2300 > > miles we covered. That summer, my father and I rebuilt the TR's > > engine..great > > little car but I sure appreciated the roll up windows on my friends new > > TR4 he > > acquired shortly after our return. > > > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikeragtopeditor@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:50:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DE640425 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A955A403FC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YoYV1l0021zF43QA6ooccB; Tue, 07 May 2013 00:48:36 +0000 Received: from [10.239.97.143] ([166.137.183.104]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Yoo71l00d2FZcKq8kooHcM; Tue, 07 May 2013 00:48:31 +0000 From: James Gray Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:48:06 -0600 To: FoT Triumph s=q20121106; t=1367887716; bh=Jh2bosWsLsRousBgnrAtra3s2zhfIhp28co4aNZKm3I=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=WWgayFu/pnYWR/8HP7rzZniUgJ/TcqQ4OcOP18XXMOjS1WdvPafabk8MjN3LTYLyJ 5n/DbeUKd4QywP0gh7je4KCTQyxxYh2jDHhwL2chOVNuey0KLlQhJuop+gtgM5xzc7 ZqjkSSdC+0fL1ld/bfcGuRvLXgkxK+h1FVptmXhTLuoxbiTtLanlw8cXOs/4TXPAai kUM2660FceTV+Gvmizism3DGnOFweo1YnVKGSoRvixMmDlY6oPUwyUCZ00H9FHkW+p +szXal/VIdwazcnqalV1R2Gm0cycrXqY3KCNNO8u4mxRmGd+NkgK4TyS6ia//jZdK6 +6lzdGc7N3n1g== Subject: [Fot] Tr4 cylinder head water jacket plug fix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The subject line pretty much states the problem. Is there A good procedure for getting the old one out ? Tony's site says to tap it for an npt plug. Has any one done this while the head is on the car? Thanks as always, Jim g Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:00:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3A040514 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934B0403FC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130507005450.HCRP10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:54:50 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Youq1l00M0zbdDt05ouqhM; Mon, 06 May 2013 20:54:50 -0400 a=9okyDgZqp55Pkq91s0rumA==:17 a=GcBDC4MYXWAA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=DlDBfyWrRIQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tSf8SN-v8YEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MJIo3LPEAAAA:8 a=bEwaRLwiE2ezUOfrNqMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=IeVFYImMg6QA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=BH309GnQ0FwEA-Pt:21 a=wvz5NPT-jRUG-EPJ:21 a=9okyDgZqp55Pkq91s0rumA==:117 Received: from [71.10.64.126] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:54:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: "Barr, Scott" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to Scott Barr for coming over and saying hi--had fun with him and the Green TR-4. VSCDA does a great job it instructors -one on one for over 30 guys! Our buddy Steve Nichols got his ticket--can't wipe the smile off!--John Hagen On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > It really was a great weekend. The weather even cooperated for once! > Very > windy at times, though - this was the first time I ever remember > having a > cross-wind hit me in the face behind my full stock windscreen. > > There were about a million Spridgets there, and some really FAST ones. > I was > fortunate to run mid-pack in Group 2. For better or worse, I was the > only > Spitfire there (other than a cornerworker's lovely Spit4), and > Tim/Ryan Murphy > and Bob Wismer were the only TR4s. (I didn't miss anyone, did I?) > > Tim's bionic knee was giving him trouble, but Ryan jumped in the car > and did > the team proud. Very nice drive, Ryan! > > Had a great time chasing John Hagen's TVR around. Even managed to get > by him > once or twice, but couldn't make it stick. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf > Of BillDentin@aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:59 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... > > Amici... > > Bob Wismer tells me that VSCDA's annual opening event (and School) at > Gingerman Raceway this past week end was a big success. He said some > thirty > students, and over one hundred twenty racers showed up. That's a full > house > at Gingerman, and a good sign for the state of affairs. All very > good. > > Gingerman is the only VSCDA event that I have never attended. Its > traditional > first week end in May dates conflict with the Kentucky Derby. While I > don't > build my own engines, I do spend a half a year handicapping all of the > prep > races and getting ready for the Derby and the other Triple Crown > races. > My handicapping suggested VERRAZANO would win. He came in 15th. I > bet on > GOLDENCENTS, a front runner who appeared to be a better bet on the > sloppy > track. He virtually quit (18th) after finding out he could not keep > up with > the torrid pace of early race leader PALACE MALICE. ORB, a horse I > picked to > run third won the Derby and looked great. > > Maybe I'll give building engines a try. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 20:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8D140526 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEB24039F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A80A1DC0028; Mon, 06 May 2013 21:33:46 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , "'Barr, Scott'" References: <7ac403d4.785b03.13e7c7bd658.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:33:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5Kvgp0zOvnBdrvSb2PCj1q0LePXgADPoHw Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Like Scott said, it was a great weekend other than my knee problem. I had done a little test run on our Town roads and thought the knee would be okay. At first at the track I thought maybe the new brake pads just weren't grabbing very well but soon realized that I just didn't have enough strength in my "new" knee. Like has been said many times before, there is nothing like being on the track and running with other cars except actually doing it. But VSCDA was very accommodating and Ryan did make the team proud!! We had modified the suspension to give the appropriate camber for the Hoosier radials and it made a big improvement in the handling. That plus the increase in power from my recent rebuild gave me the opportunity to experience power oversteer coming out of turn three and taking a ride through the grass! We adjusted tire pressures to try to give a bit less oversteer now that the fronts were gripping better and it occurred to me that out pressures seemed a bit high. I called Tony Drews and he confirmed that our pressures were too high and gave us a recommendation for the conditions we were experiencing. We made that adjustment and on Sunday warm up Ryan reported that we were back to our mostly neutral handling with the rear of the car starting to drift out and helping to rotate rather than tending to understeer to the outside of the track. Thanks again to Tony for helping a fellow racer!!! Tim & Ryan #317 TR4 BRG -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jkhagen@charter.net Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:55 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... Thanks to Scott Barr for coming over and saying hi--had fun with him and the Green TR-4. VSCDA does a great job it instructors -one on one for over 30 guys! Our buddy Steve Nichols got his ticket--can't wipe the smile off!--John Hagen On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Barr, Scott wrote: > It really was a great weekend. The weather even cooperated for once! > Very > windy at times, though - this was the first time I ever remember > having a > cross-wind hit me in the face behind my full stock windscreen. > > There were about a million Spridgets there, and some really FAST ones. > I was > fortunate to run mid-pack in Group 2. For better or worse, I was the > only > Spitfire there (other than a cornerworker's lovely Spit4), and > Tim/Ryan Murphy > and Bob Wismer were the only TR4s. (I didn't miss anyone, did I?) > > Tim's bionic knee was giving him trouble, but Ryan jumped in the car > and did > the team proud. Very nice drive, Ryan! > > Had a great time chasing John Hagen's TVR around. Even managed to get > by him > once or twice, but couldn't make it stick. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf > Of BillDentin@aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:59 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VSCDA @ Gingerman Raceway... > > Amici... > > Bob Wismer tells me that VSCDA's annual opening event (and School) at > Gingerman Raceway this past week end was a big success. He said some > thirty > students, and over one hundred twenty racers showed up. That's a full > house > at Gingerman, and a good sign for the state of affairs. All very > good. > > Gingerman is the only VSCDA event that I have never attended. Its > traditional > first week end in May dates conflict with the Kentucky Derby. While I > don't > build my own engines, I do spend a half a year handicapping all of the > prep > races and getting ready for the Derby and the other Triple Crown > races. > My handicapping suggested VERRAZANO would win. He came in 15th. I > bet on > GOLDENCENTS, a front runner who appeared to be a better bet on the > sloppy > track. He virtually quit (18th) after finding out he could not keep > up with > the torrid pace of early race leader PALACE MALICE. ORB, a horse I > picked to > run third won the Derby and looked great. > > Maybe I'll give building engines a try. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 12:49:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1D740419 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA13403FB for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:48:57 -0600 (MDT) a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:17 a=PzwunHVvOysA:10 a=Ae0lyBxrhRAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=t2cLbsmQydUA:10 a=Dqz-22cPLOZ7TGu1Am4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:117 Received: from [76.84.234.214] ([76.84.234.214:2333] helo=guinanhp) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BA/DD-17243-21C49815; Tue, 07 May 2013 18:46:42 +0000 From: "Joe Guinan" To: , References: Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:50:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5LTIRTUp0No3fASkSS3JGCxIxi6AABhjlw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive (Mike Jankowski) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you ever start planning that trip - get in touch with me and I'll send you a copy of The North American Spitfire Squadron's glove box companion - "The MASH Book". MASH is the Mobile Army of Spitfire Helpers. We've had a few guys do coast-to-coast tours and the MASH book is nice to have with you. Handy even if you're just doing a short tour out of your own area. It's a list of "willing to assist" Spitfire owners who have shops, tools, trailers, etc. Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska -----------------------Original Message Snip----------------------------- For some reason I want to do another epic drive in my current Triumph Spitfire. Mike _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:04:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AA74041D for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66068403FE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 19:02:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.233] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 19:02:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 19:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 41461 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 19:02:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367953342; bh=2LIxet1SZlUeNriY8efuPGC52hQLlpmpadI4lvCPB1U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HC28f0cRkPcAwhUCQp8WjNfU0SAXI8DdLXRbCbFw/uv/Y4F3RtQE0p/JuAF1fz9zGFwqpMzZPM8bJpipJtg4bU6J2oH20di525cI2X39sjkdcu1nXv0sOjhY5wgFKBe5ElBaBISVzbx1/leE4ipnhGH04DmAAnVf76DsDw+Y4kQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FH8Ig0BAYgohf+6DBwdqHGXgp4FJcf7tMBTOSKDsv1cxik2WJpTR5kCbLxUgoV6jt4ehzajDHWdPfpfBufqhvn+ZGCevrRseADxrk9wfsTCKIdiF7/exlCWfCOIGk3O2/Ql/0uJOs9AtYH1iK2GKMxaipyMff+bGVIAVprSsBBc=; Z8o7hGSsLwnJ4kyqFUH9f6HDitEhexZVL8qWpBM0yVobDPbyJ_BLTjS2nZqv 2LrfIlliwICevV1lEU5nlVz5rVc5bU9fhAr1h_AX4Cqp6YvssZI9pTXwMsY7 wMhZyv23o.e_.9eeY1blu4aS90OP4e3dTkivYDu6PQIx_AqmUIc3x5l8v3Kk VlSyK3lI8T6HKIQvxkE8M10wbp84stjo.7wEyQW24.lI6jIoSYp4E.jchos7 KdTuBcmC8nfWjfkfYO3UO72H1d0yWHtlCEIYuiqgnv_zoLpG7LUPiXF2p8Gz g0fXzye_lGd3o7qSkVP3uPyiVWpgK0.Y4qcWbyRbJKO.s16nHbn.Ym41.KE9 2_J6LfFBuEGGk2Me4_iyRPxsrwRq3EOjjvTSICFrJMDrV8KCSTd53Vxz7NDf K88mlEmlLVDCrCz3n2S9ZOjA2RCvI9HhsiwlySRq8OKvf.c6.edPIThrmDbC 91w-- Received: from [64.196.19.194] by web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 12:02:22 PDT SSBoYXZlIHlldCB0byBnZXQgb3V0IHRvIGFuIGF1dG9jcm9zcyBldmVudCBoZXJlIGluIElvd2EsIGR1ZSB0byBzbm93IGFuZCBzY2hlZHVsZXMsIGJ1dCBoYXZlIGJlZW4gYWJsZSB0byBnZXQgbXkgNzEgU3BpdGZpcmUgb3V0IG9uIHRoZSBzdHJlZXQuIEZvciB0aGUgZmlyc3QgZHJpdmUgb2YgdGhlIHNlYXNvbiwgSSB0aG91Z2h0IEkgd291bGQgZHJpdmUgaXQgbGlrZSBJIHN0b2xlIGl0IGZvciBhIGZldyBtaW51dGVzLiBXaGlsZSB0ZWFyaW5nIHRoZSBzaWRlIHRyZWFkIG9mZiBteSBjaGVhcCBzaG9wIHIBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stalling left turns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have yet to get out to an autocross event here in Iowa, due to snow and schedules, but have been able to get my 71 Spitfire out on the street. For the first drive of the season, I thought I would drive it like I stole it for a few minutes. While tearing the side tread off my cheap shop roller tires, I took a left turn and the whole thing stalled out, regaining idle once the back end stopped turning. It did this a few times at the end of the season last year, so the seasonal rest is not the culprit. I have tried to replicate it with abrupt right turns, but it does just fine. It does it about every time turning left. It seems to do it once it is warmed up. It is still carb, points, mechanical fuel pump, everything stock but rebuilt. Any ideas on what may be the problem? I can go around corners at normal speed and there is no indications of a sputter or stall. Her name is Gertrude, and she runs smooth and true until she wants to get tail happy turning left, but like I said regains power once settled down. Help if possible! Thank you in advance!!! Shawn Frank Continued Legacy Drive Away Cancer Iowa 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:15:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A0640405 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA17403FE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130507190923.KEGD25893.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 15:09:23 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id Z79N1l00R4qRjhw0179PpC; Tue, 07 May 2013 15:09:23 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=GIzZDMwKSA4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=XgAwmlLB0EyTErIe6n4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=AzcjnM92X40A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=QGC-3fXEtqJ06g1m:21 a=oIHjkczfloszs55_:21 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Shawn Frank'" , "'Friends of Triumph'" References: <1367953342.34320.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:09:31 -0700 Thread-index: Ac5LVXggCF87TuG3SDqDd/s576tLfAAALZIw Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like a fuel tank issue. If you have the fuel pickup in the side of the tank rather than the bottom or rear, it could indeed be starving for fuel when the direction of the turn is throwing the fuel away from the outlet. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:02 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Stalling left turns I have yet to get out to an autocross event here in Iowa, due to snow and schedules, but have been able to get my 71 Spitfire out on the street. For the first drive of the season, I thought I would drive it like I stole it for a few minutes. While tearing the side tread off my cheap shop roller tires, I took a left turn and the whole thing stalled out, regaining idle once the back end stopped turning. It did this a few times at the end of the season last year, so the seasonal rest is not the culprit. I have tried to replicate it with abrupt right turns, but it does just fine. It does it about every time turning left. It seems to do it once it is warmed up. It is still carb, points, mechanical fuel pump, everything stock but rebuilt. Any ideas on what may be the problem? I can go around corners at normal speed and there is no indications of a sputter or stall. Her name is Gertrude, and she runs smooth and true until she wants to get tail happy turning left, but like I said regains power once settled down. Help if possible! Thank you in advance!!! Shawn Frank Continued Legacy Drive Away Cancer Iowa 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:25:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F024041B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0CE40333 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU154-W12 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 7 May 2013 12:23:04 -0700 From: Chuck WATSON To: FOT List Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:23:04 -0400 References: <1367953342.34320.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <30FF19F26EC049B7B7089C8B1177A66A@Vista> FILETIME=[4C409830:01CE4B58] Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Also, if you are running Strombergs you might want to check your float mechanisms to make sure full motion is in place to completely fill the bowls. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: spitlist@cox.net > To: my71spit13@yahoo.com; FOT@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:09:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > Sounds like a fuel tank issue. If you have the fuel pickup in the side of > the tank rather than the bottom or rear, it could indeed be starving for > fuel when the direction of the turn is throwing the fuel away from the > outlet. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:02 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > I have yet to get out to an autocross event here in Iowa, due to snow and > schedules, but have been able to get my 71 Spitfire out on the street. For > the > first drive of the season, I thought I would drive it like I stole it for a > few minutes. While tearing the side tread off my cheap shop roller tires, I > took a left turn and the whole thing stalled out, regaining idle once the > back > end stopped turning. It did this a few times at the end of the season last > year, so the seasonal rest is not the culprit. I have tried to replicate it > with abrupt right turns, but it does just fine. It does it about every time > turning left. It seems to do it once it is warmed up. It is still carb, > points, mechanical fuel pump, everything stock but rebuilt. Any ideas on > what > may be the problem? I can go around corners at normal speed and there is no > indications of a sputter or stall. Her name is Gertrude, and she runs smooth > and true until she wants to get tail happy turning > left, but like I said regains power once settled down. Help if possible! > Thank you in advance!!! > > Shawn Frank > Continued Legacy > Drive Away Cancer Iowa > 515-339-4228 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:35:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88626403F4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC89140382 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z04c1l0050S2fkCAC7Yuep; Tue, 07 May 2013 19:32:54 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z7Wu1l00H2xZMJ48V7Wur9; Tue, 07 May 2013 19:30:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 19:30:54 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Chuck WATSON (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1367955174; bh=sZGvvOZMQ6ONZRVnhyq/kGKODNUR79HTA/tN56cbWhw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=N7mveYhdUlhG9nYQrpz5alAoNqsKuEBW+rBfA8EPX9/JE4TrN3FFarNsFutAQp5v/ 5boBbzOblqwQcxoIgpzF20EW4+bedp8EVCrc8x7vt4NGKpKWhpeP7xh5FFL4vEvk1T IgaN9kKkMZZ/vcDU4W3MGrMBLZ63eV5n7nILUt6AFCsioTe73BjAR2sIAMus/yCzu6 f4UMfHeUX//8rLtRJaX8P3Yrmk1HXIELaXssjm02aw+ADDmJEOai84NGe8pzKfoi0C 0eighsLTZyjYklPcbBPOLXm3O/i+f8yNeHDnsTG2CSbPEy+0al0J+SFOgMuxc2DlfD OLWczNYOFNr8Q== Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If your running SU's then its definetly the floats cutting off the fuel supply as the g-force of the turn swings the floats and shuts the float valve. Ty Thompson fixed it with what I recall were MG float bowl adapters B that you could orient front/rear instead of left/right. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck WATSON" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:23:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Also, if you are running Strombergs you might want to check your float mechanisms to make sure full motion is in place to completely fill the bowls. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: spitlist@cox.net > To: my71spit13@yahoo.com; FOT@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:09:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > Sounds like a fuel tank issue. If you have the fuel pickup in the side of > the tank rather than the bottom or rear, it could indeed be starving for > fuel when the direction of the turn is throwing the fuel away from the > outlet. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:02 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > I have yet to get out to an autocross event here in Iowa, due to snow and > schedules, but have been able to get my 71 Spitfire out on the street. For > the > first drive of the season, I thought I would drive it like I stole it for a > few minutes. While tearing the side tread off my cheap shop roller tires, I > took a left turn and the whole thing stalled out, regaining idle once the > back > end stopped turning. It did this a few times at the end of the season last > year, so the seasonal rest is not the culprit. I have tried to replicate it > with abrupt right turns, but it does just fine. It does it about every time > turning left. It seems to do it once it is warmed up. It is still carb, > points, mechanical fuel pump, everything stock but rebuilt. Any ideas on > what > may be the problem? I can go around corners at normal speed and there is no > indications of a sputter or stall. Her name is Gertrude, and she runs smooth > and true until she wants to get tail happy turning > left, but like I said regains power once settled down. Help if possible! > Thank you in advance!!! > > Shawn Frank > Continued Legacy > Drive Away Cancer Iowa > 515-339-4228 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:36:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F27140453 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8214C4038B for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z0yr1l0080cQ2SLA17Yw5w; Tue, 07 May 2013 19:32:56 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z7Ww1l00P2xZMJ48W7WwPA; Tue, 07 May 2013 19:30:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 19:30:56 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Chuck WATSON (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1367955176; bh=29d9QgMm9RmRapsGaya+KQ7xp5F309FGxHPlSzdBMsg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=f7IGDrbBoFKKzRSQjHcRgrAXqxOgAuI59zLXUw7fUUNphzHPc7B4VMJAtA0/eANzN tpzll5QQ+Dx1tYA1AB6PoaVwcWXKZhXC7f6KOnspLTPY0REgLJL7Vbs4a2heBEZD2A JLk0sWwn/yQcVv9amq5eFS7syizZJWjYQxVWMHXPDuqaT5wxkGwc2NL0oyJyFY25A8 5hAE/MITHrUeXQtClBvy9uoRq5TQxnnGshUWEA9I6+xtOFjmM4FARGDIlI0zfkqx2e wse0jVouKhGipprZlqMHJRbqYUmxgEL6hxlQJI3mQ572hcQOb1RM+YQJs4BtFzogGX L2SSSctHr9wAQ== Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If your running SU's then its definetly the floats cutting off the fuel supply as the g-force of the turn swings the floats and shuts the float valve. Ty Thompson fixed it with what I recall were MG float bowl adapters B that you could orient front/rear instead of left/right. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck WATSON" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:23:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Also, if you are running Strombergs you might want to check your float mechanisms to make sure full motion is in place to completely fill the bowls. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: spitlist@cox.net > To: my71spit13@yahoo.com; FOT@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:09:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > Sounds like a fuel tank issue. If you have the fuel pickup in the side of > the tank rather than the bottom or rear, it could indeed be starving for > fuel when the direction of the turn is throwing the fuel away from the > outlet. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:02 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > I have yet to get out to an autocross event here in Iowa, due to snow and > schedules, but have been able to get my 71 Spitfire out on the street. For > the > first drive of the season, I thought I would drive it like I stole it for a > few minutes. While tearing the side tread off my cheap shop roller tires, I > took a left turn and the whole thing stalled out, regaining idle once the > back > end stopped turning. It did this a few times at the end of the season last > year, so the seasonal rest is not the culprit. I have tried to replicate it > with abrupt right turns, but it does just fine. It does it about every time > turning left. It seems to do it once it is warmed up. It is still carb, > points, mechanical fuel pump, everything stock but rebuilt. Any ideas on > what > may be the problem? I can go around corners at normal speed and there is no > indications of a sputter or stall. Her name is Gertrude, and she runs smooth > and true until she wants to get tail happy turning > left, but like I said regains power once settled down. Help if possible! > Thank you in advance!!! > > Shawn Frank > Continued Legacy > Drive Away Cancer Iowa > 515-339-4228 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 14:22:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7529403FE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E2F403FE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k1so1211973oag.14 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 13:20:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cW4eYxH+n90IAYd0NmDKk4x11VOeKKmzrsJptiUYJzU=; b=lp1QoI+xm8L5pOJ46jF1AT6uIk+9neAZmS7XHfG13fDA2vtapg52daOX9EmyDdymBi KNdjqbhfIGVXYVGGeql6+j6bVGUl4jC28PvKRVmPPeMA//TkMRbDXhJ/g8s0nKZUfUoV UQaT1BQfV6PsKuPk6Ocecth5QJVpwjP+3lgFz5TsnoZdxxnp5BApMIR2nFreUOimxn42 z9Qge0x4vjboEe35iu0q+3czMbwMR3yyBqo61ri6+jZWtygiyf9pVjwB4Iy/aBSuCxS2 chicVOZDDUW2bunkap0Gkf7LxifwnxAx97sg6jJVY6ZxzmjEQSVdAhnW/IqdxZrsXQ+c BR8w== Tue, 07 May 2013 13:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.92.109 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:20:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <005701ce4b53$c11c01d0$43540570$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:20:25 -0500 From: Mike Jankowski To: Joe Guinan Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive (Mike Jankowski) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oh cool!!!! Thank you!!!!!! On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > If you ever start planning that trip - get in touch with me and I'll send > you a copy of The North American Spitfire Squadron's glove box companion - > "The MASH Book". MASH is the Mobile Army of Spitfire Helpers. We've had a > few guys do coast-to-coast tours and the MASH book is nice to have with > you. > Handy even if you're just doing a short tour out of your own area. It's a > list of "willing to assist" Spitfire owners who have shops, tools, > trailers, > etc. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, Nebraska > > -----------------------Original Message Snip----------------------------- > For some reason I want to do another epic drive in my current Triumph > Spitfire. > Mike _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 14:38:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1FE4041D for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D0D8B40323 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 20:35:37 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.230] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 20:35:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 20:35:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367958936; bh=lIg6E25sDRsJeBPY6e9Hz423Bg5um8mbP+XEKMZrAzM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ULzhjLCr3WOmPf+5zDdSaAdmDknxDr4xxcgy40/F+kkModWQojwnm0RzcgX2+2G+ICzdfO9yJjT7oL2el569E57vHfRGpHEk7AJQ4CEjb4h3eVFyYluqkDldd1MN1ckDF8UO4h/269jIjiRA3yxGUw4zYiSJ1jbprCJXNFACDv8= DjwMCXb2kKPXhwL0g6VuhKe7ck5u4GhlVh6qNbkPD8lL7JtrdDd0XoM_e.RL Ku1vA3eICFxgQIVO26XG_haJNbB1LSXRmpk0KqdaZoK5Y2d3xQaAbCpv6CeZ mGAhixlSoT7wuo29yFhenU5dfKfHCVbnQ8suUkXHCaDuLhVaJlvTnviVF1y_ uklEbq8HGgcR_DauY9fHwFg__lzinPc1Q8MkZcZEc1SvKhtltopeMIKU9Fki hUKRF6zx9G7PXbdGNDChe7FdnFsgJrWUD4F1DNCXuGxxsfPCguLHdSwLGdBF BFpCylUBQWUzJfxyvDm0BCSxKq5_KkHBUGWB1lc5_wHzPrkVAj2ckjtETalV fDlz038Q_ygEEnqVaIU.tX53ft4lPFw_4nfF_8UcXdB3nC26zsHY_uqbsyuq rpDHkKI1H8QzyU2kB_RpRwCU8q4CRj6VpRDngP11O0FDEsFpguCByY23tgY9 xiI110362b5ZDh_UFHO.o8PU57GCagDDl2_4Hy9nbmoIc with xymcookie) by smtp109-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 May 2013 13:35:36 -0700 PDT References: <1907524963.1443835.1367955054408.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: Yahoo Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:35:31 -0700 To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There may be another issue in terms of fuel line setup and pressure. I am running 3.5 psi and have one line running to the front bowl and a fuel line from the front bowl to the back. I see other configurations, but this is what works for me. Do you run your fuel lines in the same manner or have separate lines to each carb? Question for the group. I believe the fuel line setup I have is the stock configuration. Is there any benefit or detriment to setting the lines up this way? Is there a reason why Triumph ran he fuel line this way? Also, I pulled a stock tank out of a second TR4 I own. It had 4 one inch landscape rocks in the tank. If you are running a stock tank, it is worth a look see. In this case, someone must have made someone else pretty mad years ago! I can send you the float lid numbers if needed. Ty Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2013, at 12:30 PM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > If your running SU's then its definetly the floats cutting off the fuel supply > as the g-force of the turn > > swings the floats and shuts the float valve. > > Ty Thompson fixed it with what I recall were MG float bowl adapters B that you > could orient front/rear instead of left/right. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chuck WATSON" > To: "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:23:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns > > Also, if you are running Strombergs you might want to check your float > mechanisms to make sure full motion is in place to completely fill the bowls. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > >> From: spitlist@cox.net >> To: my71spit13@yahoo.com; FOT@autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:09:31 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Stalling left turns >> >> Sounds like a fuel tank issue. If you have the fuel pickup in the side of >> the tank rather than the bottom or rear, it could indeed be starving for >> fuel when the direction of the turn is throwing the fuel away from the >> outlet. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:02 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Stalling left turns >> >> I have yet to get out to an autocross event here in Iowa, due to snow and >> schedules, but have been able to get my 71 Spitfire out on the street. For >> the >> first drive of the season, I thought I would drive it like I stole it for a >> few minutes. While tearing the side tread off my cheap shop roller tires, I >> took a left turn and the whole thing stalled out, regaining idle once the >> back >> end stopped turning. It did this a few times at the end of the season last >> year, so the seasonal rest is not the culprit. I have tried to replicate it >> with abrupt right turns, but it does just fine. It does it about every time >> turning left. It seems to do it once it is warmed up. It is still carb, >> points, mechanical fuel pump, everything stock but rebuilt. Any ideas on >> what >> may be the problem? I can go around corners at normal speed and there is no >> indications of a sputter or stall. Her name is Gertrude, and she runs > smooth >> and true until she wants to get tail happy turning >> left, but like I said regains power once settled down. Help if possible! >> Thank you in advance!!! >> >> Shawn Frank >> Continued Legacy >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa >> 515-339-4228 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 14:47:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7400B40420 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f45.google.com (mail-ee0-f45.google.com [74.125.83.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B462F403FE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f45.google.com with SMTP id l10so550650eei.4 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=oxLxQ5Le2HF5tDORgAlSje/OkPCcnzFXTJRqeEuze8s=; b=LWjESultAU7w5/VGuYsElwlXTNek2qpwt3lPnbR+TaEZnXrapkhffgrtJsf6LyFfc3 pfRtkFzHfhKkJc8f4D0BBQ6XVk1oO6twmFBkdBC3wMxEXlQi2BejwrhAtJaZ6oWbJ5is d8KS8OkNMReeM7OsoXTvEIt+xCMaRODasgqV4fC5T5BVwmBcF3lYCMYDC0CayA5AobJM WVF6oCh2WtNOeDeSoxVkbl65dZVd/bYD8UgKiqTdUEDj4ehVNYJANTgTzwBLsUhRNNM9 oQ+/cdKdfujrR5snCWJ36AvR89xYifpyVbO9OsZcZtNZVsOm7f9wIzxsaZriRoIUBgxt 86bw== h41mr9112936eew.23.1367959398762; Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.225.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bp51sm39625813eeb.5.2013.05.07.13.43.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT List'" References: <1907524963.1443835.1367955054408.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <42CB8E80-43BD-4BDB-854E-434DE0203680@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 22:43:24 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5LYn03XjOFY5b3QHywbvSsx5iiDQAALaiw Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Engine run - 2nd try Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One week ago I started my new build engine, drove out of town when the engine freezed. The crank was stuck on main #3. Now, after making engine parts in a hurry the engine gave the first sound again today. Hope the 2nd try will be more successful. http://youtu.be/wC12CVtMOgA Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 07:34:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBC24041D for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 07:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oms-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (oms-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [64.12.81.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4831540418 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 07:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by oms-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (AOL Outbound OMS Interface) with ESMTP id E304F3800048A; Wed, 8 May 2013 09:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.17]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B2FF3E000086; Wed, 8 May 2013 09:32:03 -0400 (EDT) To: BOCForum@yahoogroups.com, 72gtojudge@charter.net, fot@autox.team.net, denisem@topormotors.com From: bld4139@aol.com Received: from 79.113.109.47 by webmail-m265.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.242) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 May 2013 09:32:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 09:32:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: S s=20121107; t=1368019923; bh=bYwuunNU0JuwdGJjbSj5roCtheCWarcPsiuBBxZMQmA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x+ABI+QNzWxtsael8XaeLh9J68skDYWFFtxIcmXzhdvHnVcz+kkJIs6rOZMopiQBe rRvFIiN03D1gX/ZD5CK2rOVuvdSdpht8gqZshl4+BwzHjXMWcQQH1UmkuWdKTQ17gk W176rEcmn07QpWnYsc28IL+LtxR44ZNobaMQLHSY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b518a53d32a7e Subject: [Fot] hi! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://ebridge.sk/brain.php?clzbn821xc ********************** I am not pregnant... I just accidentally swallowed a football. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 07:47:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC23F40510 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 07:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.108.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA60400FF for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 07:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [212.82.108.231] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 13:44:57 -0000 Received: from [77.238.189.16] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 13:44:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 13:44:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368020697; bh=geUs8aN+HT+c5GScH47NmcgPRiD1cAZviMxl+dmrfpk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:From:Message-Id:Date:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=3eqBc7LYIQQmSF43kDcO7aotv+IPBueKklXqX7+Iss7nTFG/T9q6vTEd0U3hiYQz/4djAdV9vOul060OXmH952DIezXctc9AduDDB704pQWNfNOFf7dW7gjswW1rB+Cx4rYN6YFk9SqtYW1UwyhSiJzn2dRDvAnsQy0mScV/zdA= IiqROwVdhuUfBdC6t3lfVTBlufDviTZKogMWmhFsO6buqRhnkzMUMJ53ZiC3 SBUk_3RvxmEIdt33ba6sURunrMIdBALcWLjRXOGyeOXXQF1riyhYNAF.NmW7 fHGYaEJ30bMN0YhVXxv7Q6_5EIV1I26SZwJfOYLh21VsMn_KDz97r2PYbecB Kj7CmSCUeWxxJ_HZzGDmf6teO4DIlpgn9zBqvexRXFctMo9Rn7X6U0tnuXnZ E5v8mwoYbn.p89CnxUDh8X4M0rfrZ4rtNnB8jqC8b7y7bzCZN4JSsPBhGDs6 Hfrg7qrt3hIclWxB_ORBF7vnecUoj4n4_6.noTK2wM3YlWvSLClvDmIfPKEY 7IAua9FPOIUOi6c48McIp0wNF7qr3NSt7s3lGUJlC0Fo96_F.7Nr.peEAB_L UWvTLgkW.CJKEWJDweAFkL2HxsAF93tKYNW.O0jrwxgn16d6LAt3eiXrQLy. 8xczghw-- plain) by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 May 2013 13:44:57 +0000 GMT From: Keith Files Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:44:55 +0100 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Renault Clio Cup Round 4 from Donington Park Apr 2013 - YouTube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dear all, thought you might like to see what my son gets up to in the UK, enjoy Keith http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCjkJxEMJc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 14:15:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628BA40550 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF2E4043D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (wm2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.8]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MMJ00FNCS1OQ150@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FOT@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 16:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.83.138.143] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2013 16:10:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 16:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Redmond To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Fot] Engine-Trans Measurement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends, Would someone please take a measurement of a TR3 engine and trans combo? I need from the bottom of the oil pan to the highest point, I guess the valve cover fill cap. (Overall height) Also from the front, including the fan, to the rear of the transmission yoke. (Overall length) Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 14:42:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AD840690 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A084044A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU176-W17 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 May 2013 13:39:38 -0700 From: Fred and Mary Hodgson To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:39:38 -0600 FILETIME=[531CADD0:01CE4CF5] Subject: [Fot] Looking for Rick Cline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have Rick Cline's current e-mail address? When they converted hotmail to outlook, they dumped my contact list. I wish to hell they'd stop "improving" things! Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 15:08:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DC140E21 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (unknown [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973644052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 14:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU176-DS14 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 May 2013 13:53:51 -0700 From: "Fred and Mary Hodgson" To: "fot" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:53:50 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:53:50 -0600 FILETIME=[4F66E6E0:01CE4CF7] Subject: Re: [Fot] Rick Cline's e-mail Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 15:09:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C83A40E38 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com (unknown [65.55.111.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B47C40324 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU176-DS15 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 May 2013 13:58:29 -0700 From: "Fred and Mary Hodgson" To: "fot" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:58:28 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:58:28 -0600 FILETIME=[F557AD00:01CE4CF7] Subject: Re: [Fot] Rick Cline's e-mail Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. Fred Hodgson _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 15:10:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA2640E2A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7112C40552 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 15:01:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130509205351337 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 20:53:51 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 529285306 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 15:53:46 -0500 From: To: "FOT" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:53:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A local engine builder has recommended that the 2nd compression ring have a larger end gap than the top ring. I have not heard of this before and cannot figure out any benefit. Any thoughts from this group? art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 16:20:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91394052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A20A4051D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Zy2E1l0011Y3wxoA9yJGnY; Thu, 09 May 2013 22:18:16 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZyJF1l00T2yr1eL8byJFGK; Thu, 09 May 2013 22:18:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 22:18:15 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Todd Redmond (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1368137896; bh=oO1y0nOQsc2L5/yaKXVinWxgINGNpzBK7knvtidO4Gg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kA0+4keLmwscmvlFneZTneJrPtP0BfSlJF9iKDfDGuJ/zChJQ+S4uqfdB5xj5FyZW oiaQ0P61ODY9xJdRJeilbEBDevb128ZklIuyJryn9fs4VjZ9rTekUcWCRw/Ie7lCY4 l68HgWtFyqdTzDOaKssKRpYAFolaRgJQNIXfLriciUzU9SLoEB7hgZBwBsf7JP2z+8 aANawAi5ldwnbAhXdndPAffk1kqmmiCoQEsDEBaqriGZBal0wlipX9h3MpzSlN3VSl mTAeR8kSRiMGG8rTViJMlJYMci9nad1krUEqUqLzjLJKaeAe8elVBWWq+hbjCPawVu OlXi1wQDTHh7g== Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine-Trans Measurement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you plan to use roller rockers plan for a taller valve cover than stock, just fyi. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Redmond" To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:10:36 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine-Trans Measurement Friends, Would someone please take a measurement of a TR3 engine and trans combo? I need from the bottom of the oil pan to the highest point, I guess the valve cover fill cap. (Overall height) Also from the front, including the fan, to the rear of the transmission yoke. B (Overall length) Thanks in advance. Todd Redmond TS 29341 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 18:16:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C232540553 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932164054C for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.166.111.245] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 20:03:29 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 20:01:14 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5NEX0bYfBeuUCKRjuu/i5YXfqXbg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and new slave (stock from Roadster factory. With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the way to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and won't come back up. I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 18:50:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE3540C02 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C07A40554 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.16.36]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMK00KTC4VQPVA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 19:47:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mike Moore" , "'FOT'" References: <000601ce4d11$7d6ecfc0$784c6f40$@net> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 20:47:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I'm not sure about the TR4, but on my TR6 the slave has to be on the back side of the mounting plate, which is mounted on the front of the bellhousing. If it's on the wrong side, you won't get enough travel to disengage the clutch. Like I said, not sure about a 4. Now if I could just get my brakes bled........... Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help > This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. > > > > I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and > new > slave (stock from Roadster factory. > > > > With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the > way > to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and > won't come back up. > > > > I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. > > > > Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 18:59:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149B640E3B for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FBF40554 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 18:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.16.36]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMK006K259X8Z90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 19:56:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mike Moore" , "'FOT'" References: <000601ce4d11$7d6ecfc0$784c6f40$@net> Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 20:56:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net P.S. Various places sell an adjustable pushrod for the clutch. If you want to drive down to Cambridge Springs tomorrow I have a spare I'll let you try. Bill 1.4 miles south of Campbell's Pottery. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help > This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. > > > > I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and > new > slave (stock from Roadster factory. > > > > With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the > way > to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and > won't come back up. > > > > I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. > > > > Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 19:07:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE5440E30 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out5.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out5.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4ADA40557 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.88.160]) by icp-osb-irony-out5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 10 May 2013 09:04:48 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Mike Moore'" , "'FOT'" References: <000601ce4d11$7d6ecfc0$784c6f40$@net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 11:04:47 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac5NEX0bYfBeuUCKRjuu/i5YXfqXbgACHdQg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Sounds like the thrust bearing sleeve is moving too far forward and then locking up on the gearbox nose that guides the clutch thrust bearing carrier. Cheers.. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 10:01 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and new slave (stock from Roadster factory. With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the way to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and won't come back up. I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 19:21:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CE540426 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:21:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701594042C for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id a14so6953644iee.13 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 18:17:05 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=iurW/i8wFrKCR+ruGge+PDef9RkijXp0GL6dCII1pvM=; b=IL/EV4w1c7kJT36YqsqSayO68GEBgXfByERo322U2JI65HNsr/LAsV75BqVzPgmn88 +LydYKlpyIpp8P25KQ4JGOat53fsdsmKH7Y3ttpSV9U7Ua5iF+24BmPKablMt4+OU3RT DjW0lc8VFo8xLXQZW/gurxhoNICyMV5OMFz7iS+I4KP7swHxb5p/r5dLfZEUxSLHfq8j gKvkmlWpx1aRvNqyKlxuHqYg+PQR9IATEATBT8aE9D6d/MOnUbdLjkQb3FVmYh3DHoD9 d3ap4dsy65VIXn6pwj7hfekyoDB3Mxtl20tUp+fxsMLeTagf9T1BATJBpEIFcSpYtPZ1 8+gA== Thu, 09 May 2013 18:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.196.188 (bda-74-82-80-128.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ua6sm1034083igb.0.2013.05.09.18.17.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 May 2013 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Sensitivity: Normal To: "Mike Moore" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"'FOT'" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 01:17:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would be most interested in what the slave is actually doing when you press the peddle. At least That will tell you if its 'before' or 'after' that point. J.O. FGR. ------Original Message------ From: Mike Moore To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Sent: May 9, 2013 7:01 PM This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and new slave (stock from Roadster factory. With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the way to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and won't come back up. I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 19:27:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF1040654 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D5640426 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host-3.home ([108.16.249.182]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id a1Qg1l00D3wrvZ0011QgH1; Thu, 09 May 2013 18:24:42 -0700 From: Scott Janzen Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 21:24:38 -0400 References: <000601ce4d11$7d6ecfc0$784c6f40$@net> To: Mike Moore Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net get someone to push on the pedal while you look at the slave. You should immediately see clutch lever actuator movement at the transmission. If you don't, and the air is out, adjust the rods. Question - was there any problem before you replaced the master - I hate to suggest the possibility that the tapered pin in the cross shaft is sheared (inside the bell housing) . . . To Peter's comment, there are two different length "noses" for these transmissions, but if it was working before with the same size master and slave, nothing should have changed. On May 9, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: Mike, Sounds like the thrust bearing sleeve is moving too far forward and then locking up on the gearbox nose that guides the clutch thrust bearing carrier. Cheers.. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013 10:01 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and new slave (stock from Roadster factory. With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the way to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and won't come back up. I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 20:17:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EB340E4B for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 20:17:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717BC40C00 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 20:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590F6A4C091; Thu, 9 May 2013 22:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73S0PdbOBYZt; Thu, 9 May 2013 22:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ip-64-134-236-201.public.wayport.net [64.134.236.201]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E94EEA4C087; Thu, 9 May 2013 22:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 19:14:32 -0700 From: Yellow04 To: Mike Moore , Amici Triumphi Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What are you running for a clutch? Any chance you overextended the pressure plate? Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Mike Moore wrote: >This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. > > > >I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and new >slave (stock from Roadster factory. > > > >With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the way >to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and >won't come back up. > > > >I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. > > > >Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 07:44:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502D340E5F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 07:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0604240416 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 07:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.250] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 09:44:00 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:41:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5NhBzR3YVwsfAqQXurMtumjE6uZg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4 Thrust angle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I just had my racing TR4 aligned. Thrust angle is 48. They told me it should be less than 30. Is this enough to make an adjustment for? My thought was to elongate the hole on the plate under rear axle so I can shift it slightly. They said an 1/8" would be enough. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 10:53:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC7940E9C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:53:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAD840567 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:53:13 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tdkTxqif5Xu9KEDNDwL1jk/8oivp4mmv9GOr8HOQq/VigHaosV07i0y5N8gCeKag; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.37] (helo=elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UaqWq-0000wg-IE; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:50:44 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:50:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:50:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: Bill Tobin , Mike Moore , 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Try it WITHOUT that stout slave cyl return spring. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Tobin >Sent: May 9, 2013 5:47 PM >To: Mike Moore , 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help > >Mike, I'm not sure about the TR4, but on my TR6 the slave has to be on the >back side of the mounting plate, which is mounted on the front of the >bellhousing. >If it's on the wrong side, you won't get enough travel to disengage the >clutch. >Like I said, not sure about a 4. >Now if I could just get my brakes bled........... >Good luck, Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Moore" >To: "'FOT'" >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:01 PM >Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help > > >> This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. >> >> >> >> I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and >> new >> slave (stock from Roadster factory. >> >> >> >> With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the >> way >> to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and >> won't come back up. >> >> >> >> I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. >> >> >> >> Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 11:06:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B53940E9C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FEB40409 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 11:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id jh10so3072309pab.31 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9JJOTV8o2oDjvGIKW5F+ATCedrp+VGSw9hlmdl59XBo=; b=dIHwBXKnqKgMiX/crR/gsGBGXJJIfJr6AvToZ7b56+DOkM9QUT6FecOQHgySqeXxTe PD8e1EH7kW9vHiAxgi+2iIoXFbPuF9gE8zEGRW2Fu0YPNNE3B3qT6wzYSbd6k2yaYDML EgxcXmTAZqsmcQhXF6jQvCqsnBqfA7vm+KrRWnDNLeUuX2mHBbtcL7TpM9iiuphqCNP2 Kh/MeNxTEEL9CLdJ47tF7OHWg4smrEWd7n8Og/jkHeu3VALImd+0qB2Ay/rs3LTHbnjs Qt5qR6umitZ7roq3h1NIyajCxoCwWYApDEImz5inB3ZPFaU9g617YfTpQA3HzIy/EYjQ Lv+g== sz4mr18604217pac.124.1368205409445; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp173-149.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.173.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wi6sm3364184pbc.22.2013.05.10.10.03.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 May 2013 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:03:26 -0700 References: <15899927.1368204644406.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's easy to overstroke aftermarket clutches. When you do you often crack out the center boss. You have to know what the maximum stroke is and make sure you have a stop or a properly sized MC/SC ratio to ensure you can't stroke past that far. The pushrod needs to be loose enough to turn freely to make sure you're not putting continuous pressure on the thrust bearings, and make sure if you replaced the MC with an aftermarket product that it doesn't have a residual pressure valve built into it. If it does you have to take it out or the clutch will be impossible to adjuts and you'll toast the thrust bearings. Bleed the system carefully, adjust the pushrod, and it should be fine. Speedbleeders work really well, cheap, easy to install, and they let you get some good quick pumps to carry out the stubborn bubbles. On May 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, steve wrote: > Try it WITHOUT that stout slave cyl return spring. > > ~Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Tobin >> Sent: May 9, 2013 5:47 PM >> To: Mike Moore , 'FOT' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help >> >> Mike, I'm not sure about the TR4, but on my TR6 the slave has to be on the >> back side of the mounting plate, which is mounted on the front of the >> bellhousing. >> If it's on the wrong side, you won't get enough travel to disengage the >> clutch. >> Like I said, not sure about a 4. >> Now if I could just get my brakes bled........... >> Good luck, Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: "'FOT'" >> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:01 PM >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch, help >> >> >>> This is for my race car that I am getting ready for Jefferson 500. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had to put in new clutch master (Wilwood 5/8, same as was in car), and >>> new >>> slave (stock from Roadster factory. >>> >>> >>> >>> With car running when I try to engage gear I have to push clutch all the >>> way >>> to floor, works in last half inch, but then the clutch pedal sticks and >>> won't come back up. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have bled a lot and don't see any more air bubbles. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do I need to adjust rods on either cylinder or is it air. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 12:58:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507FA40EDD for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16E24006E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:57:47 -0600 (MDT) a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:17 a=PzwunHVvOysA:10 a=CiFTcOVXYqAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JJdFEy-cWZIA:10 a=8DoqR9P8tuGLZmyGR1UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:117 Received: from [76.84.234.214] ([76.84.234.214:3680] helo=guinanhp) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EB/66-12729-5924D815; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:55:17 +0000 From: "Joe Guinan" To: References: Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:58:05 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5NqBajIXj18drXQ8qq64lom5y7uQABr7ew Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing at High Plains Raceway Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing has an event at High Plains Raceway on May 18 & 19. South of Fort Morgan, East of Denver. I'm tagging along with a friend who's running a Sprite, and a couple other local Brit Car Club members. Wondering if there will be any other FOT members that I can bother... Joe Guinan Fremont, Nebraska _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 14:04:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8942268 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE854032B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 20:01:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 99560 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2013 20:01:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368216081; bh=fpgrvfsRTpRottYce8/+Gw1kKoFxoqUW+QNym0K3Aiw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=05R26y+o3MeIAdLN/IR66gsQm6OrGk+12mxo6OxFURCHBx+xyGgNzSxUQK2mgSKHUguCkaEWnpW3/8oOIz7SQPwdcIw8sbI7pHMh44b9WTDZ4OCszi/vCwHR3lRnd+9MuMNWVXA//rWvWd5hndmN+Br2cx+gPT4TxKPuS/7QSQg= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Wbu9Cong7tCsQ+Mqc6JBeteUzRM9rF4/Y9Sjs6Sy+4hdAk3dyi8KqBuoOkmW3LLJOgqN9sMGkz+XrsdqzZck7Txipl499sY6MWCBBXE3vshvFvNLwNooldad5lHh+6EK7iiWF3us3Vhw/bYkAuJWDoGxCkVDqgbpUQF67BuH6sM=; I0JgSGfYeQLeugKQfCMcQlLpJ2VIwH1IetwqQ63RdpfNUewVSkan7yiAwj6Y 1qRuzu8ySH1LeIyZfvDraZajsuavHVM1Uv_BbeaUTa_ghhkRUbz1Sgsma0KZ W67eD9G_iWQsWV.j7Nc2TismwR.4DWJVP67bmhCWNR6_7aqe8xSIfYGgpRha VClrW9iXxL_LVDFyl3Xj7iLJhiK6C_fptt5UfUOGDgamPGwbU6Dz1R7MBVkg 4fUfLlH7aXqV4CgurAlRCh0fWfFNbNC2t4.UO6X19x5.pY_gu_kxo7M3TUS_ nD9EuvSAtDoDNxNKI4DlXqe92XlZQkxID2bhDe04oCicDtv0gMnlBpel1cz3 pdLxv5tKVcXee7GAtstZCL9Y.W2bSCpl.mGR3yyA6AdqMPtoP5RsL8PMUQv2 kyIM7CZi67mUWrwW1ubZsrRd6hYfw9JMNHsY- Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:01:20 PDT d29uZGVyaW5nIGlmIHRoZXJlIGlzIGEgbmVlZCBvciBhIHNvdXJjZSBmb3IgYSBoaWdoIHZvbHVtZSBvaWwgcHVtcCBmb3IgdGhlIApHVDYuLiBhcHBhcmVudGx5IHRoZSBlbmdpbmUgSSdtIGJ1aWxkaW5nIHJlZmVyZW5jZWQgYSBsYXRlIG1vZGVsIEdUNiB3aXRoIHRoZSAKOC41IGNvbXByZXNzaW9uIHJhdGlvLi4uIHdlJ3JlIGdldHRpbmcgY2xvc2UgdG8gaGF2aW5nIGFuIGVuZ2luZSBmb3IgdGhlIApHVDYuLi5mb3JnZWQgcm9kcyBmb3JnZWQgcGlzdG9ucy4uLiB6ZXJvIGRlY2suLi4gbXkgaGVhZCBhbmQBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] high volume oil pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net wondering if there is a need or a source for a high volume oil pump for the GT6.. apparently the engine I'm building referenced a late model GT6 with the 8.5 compression ratio... we're getting close to having an engine for the GT6...forged rods forged pistons... zero deck... my head and cam survived Road Atlanta so at least I have THAT.... God Bless F.o.T. Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 14:05:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CBF40E5F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:05:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352464032B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aGiq1l0050cZkys5FL2jmJ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:02:43 +0000 Received: from [10.143.159.206] ([166.147.82.161]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aL291l00x3UqHem3WL2Kv3; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:02:38 +0000 References: <00b701ce4db0$4e415390$eac3fab0$@rr.com> From: James Gray Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:02:05 -0600 To: Joe Guinan s=q20121106; t=1368216163; bh=gLR0vmRz6lTWEdKJCLnBz/GPqpuZdiv0KswmRBvRVSA=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=ioRZeq4dWyj5IM0RXAXZtRG4YZqzXe4OEK9fR5I0UoGWUNbpD6WFfHcaksyUx1tHH YT7eSo+y8Pan4LQjYujZiBMDbDna1YmqcqSMXvDssQC7sK2hBsDUcvaOlx8MnMV233 sSEc1X+AYZjuFyWQzLM9h2sPHxz9gWvHVl6uacaLxaD0z6w7WaOINvnXmRIeEgQCKf LxkuXY4mXSH7DC4BRNUcGGqFdI6J1eKWe+UL7HSWaQmhW0bvEo0MSn4/6PLp1k3tiH FapV3zCf49wFxEaKWoAyLSLEZcQaRTIKyZ6eoDNFiqSgAyNe2oo56/CthitT7MNQ6T IQSP5v9ckoagQ== Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing at High Plains Raceway Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, There will be 5 Tr4's and one spitfire. We will be at the west end of the carports. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2013, at 12:58 PM, "Joe Guinan" wrote: > Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing has an event at High Plains Raceway on May 18 > & 19. South of Fort Morgan, East of Denver. I'm tagging along with a > friend who's running a Sprite, and a couple other local Brit Car Club > members. Wondering if there will be any other FOT members that I can > bother... > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, Nebraska > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 14:12:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4444226D for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55F3403E6 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU176-W46 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 May 2013 13:10:11 -0700 From: Fred and Mary Hodgson To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:10:11 -0600 FILETIME=[60375D60:01CE4DBA] Subject: [Fot] looking for GT6Steve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Need info on your rear axle conversion for GT6+ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 15:03:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD9D40EB6 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:03:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s16.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s16.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CD440E1F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 15:03:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT403-EAS57 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s16.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 May 2013 14:01:18 -0700 References: From: Vince G Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:01:16 -0400 To: Fred and Mary Hodgson FILETIME=[84754D70:01CE4DC1] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] looking for GT6Steve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'd be interested in hearing about that conversion too please. I have 2 gt6+. I'd consider it for. THX Sent from my iPhone On 2013-05-10, at 4:10 PM, "Fred and Mary Hodgson" wrote: > Need info on your rear axle conversion for GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 18:34:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BC342576 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80964255E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:34:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2013 00:31:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.44] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2013 00:31:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2013 00:31:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368232307; bh=c/XS33YNXDhDJYDV1cpl+bqnrl57aE3pT9CdDSsDu5A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=jEikCjWK/bfgyOqar+BrHsxn5HYIYmbocI8SzD2aFkFMktw/4knPp49flKVhi2RWMs8207OalWVdqLGAwGWH2fujVL5hZeXjE5cjZEk8X5yOD21yeGfggJG+avZCxx+cfxsI0UcFnC4OJkRBfzmtHPjAD3UezFUptJ33HAcUG+s= ONRCrmkPZy8w4k4bLg2h6jrxfmUDQt3VHGJis6dqe5enow0q70qe32T5LSuN qm.pYv0VBc0ZywdMupukwT3ITuKzJ3Zh.raxsLyBEE8q610J.foO9of3kV27 28mI3qLgRSB0y0I9Lf3OfbW.p7v_e7Wj1IoQLINU9mSvaxAy25uoRoylXPLz X5cgLpnV17nIC3m2e1ZsfYOdjyv20LGl7lnv87alKVA8tQYbAhHWKwDAi26B 32EhnW5Zdvf58Cfx.QIjZWqPbuPfhSTinvQXAYoey9j3Ef2TDfYpbzcesq_E zBQq_9_qz45Ja5YQZ.QofVpsQ5jgiEcKL0jwvQAz1eMGgoXqI0BOakZJLvsq nyRAPCkthvBPWQMZ_Fjg47HLuFiP4_B62q0xsWrDOLDSXtVNlyWdyHNEg2Jy hTNLkHdASAhQzabNIDt_GZ2KQP8gEUPMBTP0- by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2013 17:31:47 -0700 PDT To: fot From: Dennis DeLap Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:31:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A M I C I I am building another Triumph based race car. I like to use the steel dashboards from the TR4, and I have one of those. I am missing the glove box door - does anyone have one to sell? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 18:40:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE97425B8 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5555F4255E; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:40:11 -0600 (MDT) a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=zNIbJC8RGzgA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ISc0UUQPGuUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=e5TQdgOhLVEkODs377cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:50357] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 71/C6-12729-5D29D815; Sat, 11 May 2013 00:37:41 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Glenn Franco'" , "'Friends of triumph'" , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:37:37 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs Thread-Index: Ac5NoPkfzOrHDHpgQiKFY5ejkF9FJQAPlyAA Subject: Re: [Fot] Early TR6 Trans into a 64 TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, This is a very common swap and will actually be a better setup as the case of the TR6 gearbox is stronger than a TR4 box. You most likely will need longer studs at the top of the engine because the gearbox flange is thicker. The TR6 output flange you mention is actually a better option as it is stronger than the TR4 flange and mates up to the driveshaft the same as the earlier flange. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Friends of triumph; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Early TR6 Trans into a 64 TR4 Group Will a 1970 TR6 4 speed trans swap into a 1964 TR4. I'm in the process of adapting an A-type O/D to a Trans and have lots of spare 4 speeds around and thought it would be easier to mate up the 2 (trans and O/D) for a quick swap later. The only big difference I have seen is the rear companion flange is different than a TR6 but the O/D has a TR4 Flange. Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 18:42:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A61D42588 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 514614040B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25435 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2013 00:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 11 May 2013 00:40:06 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=52138 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uaxr3-0006qJ-UW; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:40:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:40:00 -0500 To: Keith Files ,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <17EB300D-CC4C-4D92-BE35-9BA0616696D3@btinternet.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Renault Clio Cup Round 4 from Donington Park Apr 2013 - YouTube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. That was a great drive by Josh! You must be proud. Cheers, Tony Drews At 08:44 AM 5/8/2013, Keith Files wrote: >Dear all, thought you might like to see what my son gets up to in the UK, >enjoy > >Keith > >http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCjkJxEMJc >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 18:43:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4756A42570 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:43:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99F4540EA3 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28722 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2013 00:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 11 May 2013 00:41:03 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=52147 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uaxrz-00083e-4r; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:41:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:40:57 -0500 To: ,"FOT" From: Tony Drews References: <47781327ACC24303A2FBABAACAA92EC8@rileyPC> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Doesn't sound right to me. Tony Drews At 03:53 PM 5/9/2013, riverside@southslope.net wrote: >A local engine builder has recommended that the >2nd compression ring have a larger end gap than >the top ring. I have not heard of this before and >cannot figure out any benefit. > >Any thoughts from this group? > >art de armond >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 19:08:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFFB42572 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C22942572 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id u10so3132097pdi.33 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:54 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Lfo3deAbB/O+5dE5bbRfEnO0/A30KFD+v5mAA81yD9U=; b=md6OdXgneUh955uAhKuOX1WUrMLsPRmBEYw2tSvS366TSdrWjh0yGuVS4xXEp2dtD5 BRkYWKi1NaIZO7gYmF0zwRZjrvbH7ptrduJvp7dx2cNEclqTPbYQok5JTbcqZUKSi3yn Kg4QIGDbns1J9rTVdJgcGlfGWUpn4lj4v0dfWzG08UYcgROritk5jK5T4IYreZyfO3O2 0CM3CdFjcmJBQTaIIJBI7xab/x/x2pjmZ89DXfT7dsKiTDvAWmn4TaWLnrS5qyytzgqj aNrb20ifbcmCGeQWCETZ340oeaiZjp4RTx0c58/Xf7lvVhfkVIsc2AbhzKstyvNs7L6K fhiA== wr6mr20081777pac.59.1368234294281; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp184-182.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.184.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uv1sm4463854pbc.16.2013.05.10.18.04.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:50 -0700 References: <47781327ACC24303A2FBABAACAA92EC8@rileyPC> <20130511004336.9CF4442570@autox.team.net> To: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's backwards. Some engine builders do a little more gap on the top ring because it gets hotter. All the end gap is for is to prevent the ring from pushing hard on itself when it expands. Sounds to me like you have a weird engine builder. On May 10, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Doesn't sound right to me. > > Tony Drews > > At 03:53 PM 5/9/2013, riverside@southslope.net wrote: >> A local engine builder has recommended that the >> 2nd compression ring have a larger end gap than >> the top ring. I have not heard of this before and >> cannot figure out any benefit. >> >> Any thoughts from this group? >> >> art de armond >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 19:15:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625FE42574 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AAA540395 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25394 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2013 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 May 2013 01:12:52 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=52288 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UayMm-0004ah-00 for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:12:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 20:12:46 -0500 To: "'Friends of triumph'" From: Tony Drews References: <518D28EB.5060902@charter.net> <71.C6.12729.5D29D815@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Early TR6 Trans into a 64 TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net May need to slot the rear mounts a bit to get things to line up too, although I didn't need to. Tony Drews At 07:37 PM 5/10/2013, Steve Yott wrote: >Glenn, >This is a very common swap and will actually be a better setup as the case >of the TR6 gearbox is stronger than a TR4 box. You most likely will need >longer studs at the top of the engine because the gearbox flange is thicker. >The TR6 output flange you mention is actually a better option as it is >stronger than the TR4 flange and mates up to the driveshaft the same as the >earlier flange. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Glenn Franco >Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 12:06 PM >To: Friends of triumph; 6pack@autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Early TR6 Trans into a 64 TR4 > >Group >Will a 1970 TR6 4 speed trans swap into a 1964 TR4. >I'm in the process of adapting an A-type O/D to a Trans and have lots of >spare 4 speeds around and thought it would be easier to mate up the 2 (trans >and O/D) for a quick swap later. >The only big difference I have seen is the rear companion flange is >different than a TR6 but the O/D has a TR4 Flange. >Thanks in advance >Glenn >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 19:42:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F69A4257C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C4A4255E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W6 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 May 2013 18:39:34 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:39:33 -0400 FILETIME=[63C61380:01CE4DE8] Subject: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net While we are on the subject of A-type OD transmissions. I have one to install in my buddies TR4 when I wrap up the engine (shortly I hope) What's the oil of choice in these? Street car. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 19:47:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B864257C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DE940EB6 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU178-DS15 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 May 2013 18:42:12 -0700 From: "K LYNCH" To: "FOT" Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:42:12 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:42:12 -0600 FILETIME=[C210DEC0:01CE4DE8] Subject: [Fot] Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing at High Plains Raceway Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe, feel free to pop into 'Control' and say hello... Kev Lynch Race Steward _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 19:56:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4708A426BD for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DB440EA3 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 19:56:23 -0600 (MDT) a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=3Xd-YP29o3AA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ooxIcAAMqAAkk9oPnMoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:52251] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 51/A7-06694-0B4AD815; Sat, 11 May 2013 01:53:52 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 20:53:48 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs Thread-Index: Ac5N6HdS5Tz+a2AHQbSxqChl6D+2oQAAX0Eg Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have used Redline MT90 exclusively for many years (about 50 gearbox builds without any issues with either the A or J overdrives. This oil foams less than all the others I ever tested and foam does not lubricate! Expensive but worth it! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 8:40 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] trans fluif While we are on the subject of A-type OD transmissions. I have one to install in my buddies TR4 when I wrap up the engine (shortly I hope) What's the oil of choice in these? Street car. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 20:01:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC6B4257C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC64442568 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id p10so1116528lbv.9 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:58:25 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ncAoCk0zpdUHLtClxvzWeUTnLivUT7ajCZP3r+yPWSs=; b=EqfqpHboANQfCKVV7objf8TWWANwDAFH5/Snl+1Ym9DhM6lJlnN6RrneEt0Uddq8Kj jy/yQkqhRFTa2ISPovo9frK9psgUqyDyt79oxiitOOnNv7oPXMfEsoc57uhqN6H/GEqQ fGxENtfXbZ9k1TQ+VthBCuLdgSGVfN8OxgMAGYNtYaJXx+28AkLejr87dgGrWBpkvwBN pUl4tva1YokcIAotrsQW3vIf2a2yik5NIgv/AC7eYbn8VpFKkIClU5e5qEnQrfwUOaea 5kdnvEktZn+i6syz2LLJjciN1R0rqke8w+TIaWL/mpsRecoINVHtccT7h/onVKmyTDXT QADQ== e3mr8639596lbw.54.1368237505757; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.6.67 with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kas Kastner Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:57:45 -0700 To: fot Subject: [Fot] Ring end gaps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you leave the second compression ring on the bench and do not fit it like I did, then you have no worry about the gaps. *Never be beaten by equipment.* _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 20:14:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9A7427A6 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A4B425C5 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.231.179.24] (67.sub-174-228-6.myvzw.com [174.228.6.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4B2BBnt016346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 May 2013 22:11:14 -0400 References: From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 22:11:05 -0400 To: Kas Kastner a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xsHkoB8PPi2/eLDqxzg3jQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=0vJGNF4cFBlx2eFkNX4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=xsHkoB8PPi2/eLDqxzg3jQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Ring end gaps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ah! Just like the MT 125 Honda road racer I tuned I'm the 70's. It had moto cross air cooled single cyl engine with 3 rings. I just used the top, compression ring. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > If you leave the second compression ring on the bench and do not fit it > like I did, then you have no worry about the gaps. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 20:22:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00F5426BE for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C673342568 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5054C70001D66 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 22:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DC7FDE0000C2 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 22:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:18:52 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368238745; bh=O5Fj0OBbV0r0qlxkUEA7S8NW+rlCst4fPp0P/KDTl+k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ID1lfsXzQRung5ZcUUrup1JPLDT7WclxSEpAcFqiS7gMk2XqmtIsisgBBWO8fcoPH EQAp9zV7d9SbDQ413dojIxbNPnoQqHSAIss3FCBXu02Ig9W03iYoRc1UDXY0G4583l hxp4V4aRB8gbLuiugrxThoE1TfS43YMQhKVMRthw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3384518daa9809b2 Subject: [Fot] TR Trip to East Coast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPad Small world.....had a meeting with guy in Newark, NJ. Former SoCal guy. Knew Dunst, Smock, Burroughs, and more. TRIUMPH TRS. One of the historic Le Mans Triumphs is being restored in near Armagh, PA. It is well on its way to a meticulous and faithful restoration. It was great to see it. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 20:22:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473F34051B for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725ED4003F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.231.179.24] (67.sub-174-228-6.myvzw.com [174.228.6.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4B2Jh2X030009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 May 2013 22:19:47 -0400 References: <518D28EB.5060902@charter.net> <71.C6.12729.5D29D815@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> <20130511011529.C137F425A4@autox.team.net> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 22:19:39 -0400 To: Tony Drews a=zNIbJC8RGzgA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xsHkoB8PPi2/eLDqxzg3jQ==:17 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Ze96msxwglxYkKg2h7kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=OrG29BY1RXbIOASU:21 a=IsMY5qg87opYhLLo:21 a=xsHkoB8PPi2/eLDqxzg3jQ==:117 Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Early TR6 Trans into a 64 TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony , Henry .....I am going to Watkins Glen 6/7; so won't make Summit.....hope to see you guys at Mid Ohio for another "blanket" race! Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > May need to slot the rear mounts a bit to get things to line up too, although I didn't need to. > > Tony Drews > > At 07:37 PM 5/10/2013, Steve Yott wrote: >> Glenn, >> This is a very common swap and will actually be a better setup as the case >> of the TR6 gearbox is stronger than a TR4 box. You most likely will need >> longer studs at the top of the engine because the gearbox flange is thicker. >> The TR6 output flange you mention is actually a better option as it is >> stronger than the TR4 flange and mates up to the driveshaft the same as the >> earlier flange. >> >> Steve Yott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 12:06 PM >> To: Friends of triumph; 6pack@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Early TR6 Trans into a 64 TR4 >> >> Group >> Will a 1970 TR6 4 speed trans swap into a 1964 TR4. >> I'm in the process of adapting an A-type O/D to a Trans and have lots of >> spare 4 speeds around and thought it would be easier to mate up the 2 (trans >> and O/D) for a quick swap later. >> The only big difference I have seen is the rear companion flange is >> different than a TR6 but the O/D has a TR4 Flange. >> Thanks in advance >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 07:22:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D125B42576 for ; 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That's right off they're installation "pink" sheet. Maybe some piston manufacture think different. I would go my what your piston manufacture says. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: riverside@southslope.net; FOT Cc: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Doesn't sound right to me. Tony Drews At 03:53 PM 5/9/2013, riverside@southslope.net wrote: >A local engine builder has recommended that the >2nd compression ring have a larger end gap than >the top ring. I have not heard of this before and >cannot figure out any benefit. > >Any thoughts from this group? > >art de armond >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 07:33:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00511426BC for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 07:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FC942573 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 07:32:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0AA8C7004B71D; Sat, 11 May 2013 09:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dga003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dga003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.9]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CD06DE000081; Sat, 11 May 2013 09:30:23 -0400 (EDT) References: <1368278394.90603.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: j.wags63@yahoo.com, tony@tonydrews.com, riverside@southslope.net, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.32.245 by webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.11) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 11 May 2013 09:30:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:30:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368279023; bh=iwMrAL7GxLH0lplA/NXxkbs6DNiVoqwUCsHCodez2Cc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SSnmmPdEEC7kotor7CvMXM0ZRSt/DlCRhOTBs6Mn23i+kX9/ReN2wl2ttn2EwNMhW WPeQzrn9OqqHyOjfKVYTFVFvmjTh2Gciv09SDanvv23YU2+wqhToqVPDqj8KJ4+GrE ErvqPo2dQ2Z8uwHEIltPumwStNg5K8GYF7xN3odg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c8518e47ef49bb Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Total Seal now specifies this as well. It was explained to me that it was to prevent trapping pressure between top and second ring. Agree, go with manufacturers recommendations. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner <j.wags63@yahoo.com> To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>; riverside <riverside@southslope.net>; FOT <fot@autox.team.net> Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Wiseco says: The gap on the second ring should always be larger than the top ring end gap, this will help to reduce top ring flutter or lifting. That's right off they're installation "pink" sheet. Maybe some piston manufacture think different. I would go my what your piston manufacture says. ----- Original Message ----- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 07:36:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BEA4032C for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 07:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6C40043 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 07:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3ADEC7000009B; Sat, 11 May 2013 09:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.9]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F10CE000081; Sat, 11 May 2013 09:32:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:32:02 -0400 (EDT) To: trmarty@hotmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368279123; bh=h0fuLArvT7KA8i7SqfP4nfHf9BkhoLZ/6v5eh8fqEf0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ACtC/fovEsp7ygBllFqKkT/J+INwvkM0WK+/vfMLyVD0m4idcynCgO1I5PJnikLaX M3w31wpTXaw1ybTcUpll1o5gP4gnwn8c49lHC7QJif0ZIqXqptb9SHcvFmKNMbBr4b HRvnh4eKx7B2jTOMLED9EqG/LQhFglW2ON+XvlNc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b518e485371fe Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 05/10/2013 8:39:39 PM Central Daylight Time, trmarty@hotmail.com writes: > While we are on the subject of A-type OD transmissions. I have one to > install > in my buddies TR4 when I wrap up the engine (shortly I hope) What's the > oil of > choice in these? Street car. > > Back in the day, they used to say that the clutches in that tranny really wanted two distinct fluids, and that KENDALL Three Star was as close as you could get to addressing both of those needs, but since our own ODs have been on the shelf for years, there may be a better tranny fluid out and available now. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 15:23:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5454C40549 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 15:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9834040B for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 15:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52381A4C091; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hwJT4+5SM5Af; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (149.sub-174-239-39.myvzw.com [174.239.39.149]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 96464A4C08B; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 17:20:25 -0400 From: Yellow04 To: trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Before I ponied up for the billet bottom end, I ran an OD in my race car. I tried a couple varieties of GL4 and 5, but never overcame the problem of the OD engaging sluggishly and then not at all on a hard, hot run. I believe I was frothing the oil at big rpm. I was about to put Redline in and be done with it, but I called Moldex instead. It was suggested to me to run non-detergent 30 weight oil in a street OD box, and it works great. When I rebuilt the race prepped OD box this Spring to sell in the old yellow car, I went to Napa and bought the same cheap oil that has served me well on the street, and ran a weekend at VIR. Shifted perfectly, and the OD worked perfectly. I change it every race weekend because that gives me the ability to take a close look at the oil, giving me a good read on the health of the box. Redline oil is way too expensive for that! Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 16:23:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D1540E39 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D0E40406 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.16.36]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMN008F0NE47W60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:20:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Yellow04" , References: <5g3cmb2yfwl1i0uw4ex5lkgp.1368306073031@email.android.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 18:20:18 -0400 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run non-detergent oil in some of my old tractors (guess it ties into the old tractor engine thing!) If you have a Tractor Supply nearby, it's available there. Sometimes in different weights than my local parts store can get. Tractor on! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yellow04" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif > Before I ponied up for the billet bottom end, I ran an OD in my race car. > I tried a couple varieties of GL4 and 5, but never overcame the problem of > the OD engaging sluggishly and then not at all on a hard, hot run. I > believe I was frothing the oil at big rpm. I was about to put Redline in > and be done with it, but I called Moldex instead. > > It was suggested to me to run non-detergent 30 weight oil in a street OD > box, and it works great. When I rebuilt the race prepped OD box this > Spring to sell in the old yellow car, I went to Napa and bought the same > cheap oil that has served me well on the street, and ran a weekend at VIR. > Shifted perfectly, and the OD worked perfectly. > > I change it every race weekend because that gives me the ability to take a > close look at the oil, giving me a good read on the health of the box. > Redline oil is way too expensive for that! > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 17:39:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F041A42580 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F9B40538 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id g10so3589598pdj.36 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:36:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IW/NnQlkMz4pncGmEQPkBwuOViLjYcGrvFi3tH2CFTg=; b=l55hEG0N+FBX2JB11/tV11AEOevANITv9Jm+vZN1XPHERq40kzhSQNwenhhZzBWAzs RJ6DttVD1d6DjGYG9dO6SKS/KM0Yg+TuSiyH/qAjXKPaD0zYhtqQddTAZVAJfI6gZqEJ a6xYMvdldZTAhoQh/gHwNClKUqb8CEYFvFrfNU9kjizJweCrwXMq3uauRidUzEYYEEsl NrRYFGaBe9avplx19bvZpl1bU+kFgU/8b2bpH7BIo2fWFfKxudoFpB2/Go3va1dmLX4v NiFyVtdbzlVeH71M59ZcZgtUJCvR9cd5waAGv4BO5b6Fh22VapRC4tlNfiWpcGjpRaKk kL0g== ea2mr22544562pbb.129.1368315383321; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.161.131 with HTTP; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.161.131 with HTTP; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:36:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <5g3cmb2yfwl1i0uw4ex5lkgp.1368306073031@email.android.com> <558E28232E59470EA64E5E8B9DF1D5CB@hpd530> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 16:36:22 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: william r tobin Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Redline MTL full race jtype. Flawless. Set a personal best at Pacific Raceways -- 2seconds up on last year. 1:42:6. On May 11, 2013 3:21 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I run non-detergent oil in some of my old tractors (guess it ties into the > old tractor engine thing!) > If you have a Tractor Supply nearby, it's available there. Sometimes in > different weights than my local parts store can get. > Tractor on! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yellow04" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif > > > Before I ponied up for the billet bottom end, I ran an OD in my race car. >> I tried a couple varieties of GL4 and 5, but never overcame the problem of >> the OD engaging sluggishly and then not at all on a hard, hot run. I >> believe I was frothing the oil at big rpm. I was about to put Redline in >> and be done with it, but I called Moldex instead. >> >> It was suggested to me to run non-detergent 30 weight oil in a street OD >> box, and it works great. When I rebuilt the race prepped OD box this Spring >> to sell in the old yellow car, I went to Napa and bought the same cheap >> oil that has served me well on the street, and ran a weekend at VIR. >> Shifted perfectly, and the OD worked perfectly. >> >> I change it every race weekend because that gives me the ability to take >> a close look at the oil, giving me a good read on the health of the box. >> Redline oil is way too expensive for that! >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/fot/william.tobin31@**verizon.net >> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:37:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CB4403F2 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FA3403DB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 19:34:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 19:34:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 19:34:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 98824 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2013 19:34:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368387261; bh=MeANAjM4ir83uEImxFmKCpkIQtyaSGT0AqOiEwqTakw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0YtgJARqDI9Aw7+8B90W8t8oRyDgz/rnHxf3ecC8zOW0F0pNV8nwzMpe9KGByGcRfuJBiFHPepLpThxp7W0+L5GyrvQVmkcr32eR7WaVi+rKSBn1LAo7IBY+IBxK7XxKHtgJWxPzdIyU43vGg7ei9g55AES+WbmEL7jlRzA18is= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=udgB4Wj5tXEVmdiwcuHdVxLOQKWVNhdbQYVHrY/DtoUid8NuSUkzWadz7jcXUeTrHDvvGAtEyfUV8diI0QV2+cyGjSt4SSPxXkg2LTXZbz6HzGNUyMp8WupMq4QIWo0yggoUJyL5JDBZtaoGXRiFiFVZf0agHAuZyfl5Tgv03qo=; YGaRDxGHM_ykMkz1uYVmmDB2w84mxU4nE42B.PvSzhIuzCUoKc16RsR8DIqQ mq6fWc.TEoeSYfU_4apJo1g8NNr5ILDnA9K3qHIpQ94RLBF9rVHXS9iOp10J UpSD__biCtCjQMQPbOoDzApeB7EUbQ5iwNzhodmxcDPDOCj7Qsb.6g20DxdZ ZS9brJAw_ViuF_Gi_ZpPRMxbvBTNJlDyFukVRrFtVbzlOY1IncmD_1BuQnFb P3oF.sb8uAn9dNxBMaRvQCaaU.UouyldSOGJPJtPfRU9sVfMGX8t37m22yBz aKLqcEzd3BWzYk.dpW7Um7QLQl3fs7O.j8SZQZ3zCd5TK911UtpCJ6pwM1s. 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Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 14:39:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E9740ED7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81250403EA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:38:58 -0600 (MDT) a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=Ug6WcZrpCo8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=aveRLQW68_wA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=EzUQJ5fIEIwM8l1EkuMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:59343] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 77/9A-06694-E3DFF815; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:36:14 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'sherry robyn'" , Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:36:13 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs Thread-Index: Ac5PR9hFcdl2XJ9sQa+9y1TBnJWcOgACGc8g Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/exhaust gasket on a TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I do not use any sealer on the manifold gaskets. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:34 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Intake/exhaust gasket on a TR6 Should gasket sealer be used on one side of this gasket or should it go in with nothing on it? I am using the white gasket that is labeled High Performance. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 18:27:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28BC40425 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D603403F3 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.166.111.245] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:26:46 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:24:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5PcDyfDlQVV18hTki93WBVjHri+g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If I go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as was in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I can't shift easily. Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to waste the time since this one looks ok. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 18:58:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C16403FF for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81097403F6 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.16.36]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMP00C5ZP8DQX00@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:55:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mike Moore" , "'FOT'" References: <000001ce4f70$3cf78930$b6e69b90$@net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:55:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, give me a call: 398-2908 I'll be up till 11:30. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school > At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If > I > go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. > > > > Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as > was > in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. > > > > Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc > look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. > > > > Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I > can't shift easily. > > > > Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? > > > > Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? > > > > I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to > waste > the time since this one looks ok. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 19:07:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED9E40420 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C3E8403F6 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9946 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2013 01:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 01:04:05 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=60753 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UbhBN-00026P-6x; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:04:05 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:04:01 -0500 To: "Mike Moore" ,"'FOT'" From: Tony Drews References: <000001ce4f70$3cf78930$b6e69b90$@net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is the clutch shaft between the slave and the tranny in the upper hole? I have 3 holes and use the upper one. Lower holes will reduce pedal effort and require more pedal travel. Are you sure you got a clutch master cylinder and not a brake master cylinder? The brake ones can have a valve that prevents a bunch of fluid pushing back into the master cylinder and would hold the clutch engaged for a while. I've just googled for this in relation to a wilwood master cylinder and find no reference of such a valve thought. Also, are you sure you got the same bore diameters that you had before? A smaller bore master cylinder or a larger bore slave cylinder would increase pedal stroke and lower the engagement / disengagement closer to the floor. Another thought - the flexible line that connects to the slave - any chance that's collapsing? Is it rubber? Can it be replaced? Sometimes rubber lines fail in a way that causes them to act as one way valves. That's all I can think of... Hope you get it fixed! That's gotta be hugely frustrating! Tony Drews At 07:24 PM 5/12/2013, Mike Moore wrote: >At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If I >go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. > > > >Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as was >in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. > > > >Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc >look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. > > > >Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I >can't shift easily. > > > >Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? > > > >Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? > > > >I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to waste >the time since this one looks ok. > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 19:45:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146F94055D for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A4403FE for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:44:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.16.36]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MMP002H0RE5IKA0@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:42:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Tony Drews" , "Mike Moore" , "'FOT'" References: <000001ce4f70$3cf78930$b6e69b90$@net> <20130513010820.EBC8B40E39@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 21:41:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tony, I just talked to Mike. He's running a braided line to the slave, but they have been known to fail at times. Mike's coming down tomorrow AM. I have a spare M/C and Slave. I want to check the bore sizes on his and see if they are the same as mine. Like I said to him, if the clutch worked before replacing the hydraulics and doesn't work now, it's probably the hydraulics. Your thought of a residual valve in brake M/C is a good point. Here's hoping! (I have a spare clutch too, just in case!) Thanks for your help. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Mike Moore" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school > Is the clutch shaft between the slave and the tranny in the upper hole? I > have 3 holes and use the upper one. Lower holes will reduce pedal effort > and require more pedal travel. > > Are you sure you got a clutch master cylinder and not a brake master > cylinder? The brake ones can have a valve that prevents a bunch of fluid > pushing back into the master cylinder and would hold the clutch engaged > for a while. I've just googled for this in relation to a wilwood master > cylinder and find no reference of such a valve thought. > > Also, are you sure you got the same bore diameters that you had before? A > smaller bore master cylinder or a larger bore slave cylinder would > increase pedal stroke and lower the engagement / disengagement closer to > the floor. > > Another thought - the flexible line that connects to the slave - any > chance that's collapsing? Is it rubber? Can it be replaced? Sometimes > rubber lines fail in a way that causes them to act as one way valves. > > That's all I can think of... Hope you get it fixed! That's gotta be > hugely frustrating! > > Tony Drews > > At 07:24 PM 5/12/2013, Mike Moore wrote: >>At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If >>I >>go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. >> >> >> >>Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as >>was >>in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. >> >> >> >>Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc >>look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. >> >> >> >>Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I >>can't shift easily. >> >> >> >>Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? >> >> >> >>Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? >> >> >> >>I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to >>waste >>the time since this one looks ok. >> >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Mike >> >> >> >>Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >>2007 West 32nd Street >> >>Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >>Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >>Fax: 814-864-7383 >>_______________________________________________ >>fot@autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 20:39:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8BB4042F for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5390403BA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 6so4033284pdd.17 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:36:37 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=JlZFcTC++bV+5HdUraRpA+gFVXEy5sr6kRl1fDDKc2U=; b=cwD18aw8y0dCB37C3+t7P+tPTVcSV/vuZgHde5ZslRt88uk0KKF0uYGhnIiafbmX2J 5lLabMNK/dRE+EWIfd0wtELn0gQAsuWfCYIpuz2v05h7haX1rB8ige+PVBnq+HhGdwwr BCJ17AusrOuaqsrSpsQ5kC5eV+8oS/+/mVNebV6pVKNvdEGeVOCkKec91tdp795GDhvc kZIYMWtqgvXCUuABQyF5ptFMQ6I1H29MFr100+OJhqcCoe1WOlcc4LtukSG1S6OFeeM1 1iL/08TFGgqtxmJDJJXSCJL104HhRTKj0K3jTRpXsVZ5j7qOn/+MrUjisPZFFaKZQZP8 Wv2g== y4mr28085013pan.216.1368412597577; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp184-182.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.184.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xu10sm512952pab.3.2013.05.12.19.36.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 19:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 19:36:34 -0700 References: <000001ce4f70$3cf78930$b6e69b90$@net> <20130513010820.EBC8B40E39@autox.team.net> <72129A52BB7B4B649C5B289CD589D935@hpd530> To: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It still sounds to me like a residual pressure valve. Remove the line from the M/C, then unscrew the fitting from the body of the M/C. Under that fitting there might be a valve bod and spring. remove then, reassemble. A faulty line is also possible. With the peal all the way to the floor and stuck, open the bleed valve and see what happens. On May 12, 2013, at 6:41 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Hi Tony, I just talked to Mike. > He's running a braided line to the slave, but they have been known to fail at times. > Mike's coming down tomorrow AM. I have a spare M/C and Slave. I want to check the bore sizes on his and see if they are the same as mine. > Like I said to him, if the clutch worked before replacing the hydraulics and doesn't work now, it's probably the hydraulics. > Your thought of a residual valve in brake M/C is a good point. > Here's hoping! (I have a spare clutch too, just in case!) > Thanks for your help. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Mike Moore" ; "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school > > >> Is the clutch shaft between the slave and the tranny in the upper hole? I have 3 holes and use the upper one. Lower holes will reduce pedal effort and require more pedal travel. >> >> Are you sure you got a clutch master cylinder and not a brake master cylinder? The brake ones can have a valve that prevents a bunch of fluid pushing back into the master cylinder and would hold the clutch engaged for a while. I've just googled for this in relation to a wilwood master cylinder and find no reference of such a valve thought. >> >> Also, are you sure you got the same bore diameters that you had before? A smaller bore master cylinder or a larger bore slave cylinder would increase pedal stroke and lower the engagement / disengagement closer to the floor. >> >> Another thought - the flexible line that connects to the slave - any chance that's collapsing? Is it rubber? Can it be replaced? Sometimes rubber lines fail in a way that causes them to act as one way valves. >> >> That's all I can think of... Hope you get it fixed! That's gotta be hugely frustrating! >> >> Tony Drews >> >> At 07:24 PM 5/12/2013, Mike Moore wrote: >>> At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If I >>> go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. >>> >>> >>> >>> Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as was >>> in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc >>> look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I >>> can't shift easily. >>> >>> >>> >>> Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? >>> >>> >>> >>> I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to waste >>> the time since this one looks ok. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 21:03:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A3F42568 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D138403F7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.79.69]) by icp-osb-irony-out7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 13 May 2013 11:00:44 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Mike Moore'" , "'FOT'" References: <000001ce4f70$3cf78930$b6e69b90$@net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:00:51 +1000 Thread-Index: Ac5PcDyfDlQVV18hTki93WBVjHri+gAFacCg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, Which side of the Metal bracket have you got the slave cylinder bolted to? Sounds like you are about the thickness of the slave cylinder flange off getting the right stroke? Cheers Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 10:25 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If I go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as was in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I can't shift easily. Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to waste the time since this one looks ok. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 21:09:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187A940404 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC72C403F7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:07:21 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=K4iSOxMiCKLl0f5ZYBB7ZD9aGnhdyT5wNli0Frn35U9pGtK3NYxepxIEuQYquWG7; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.47] (helo=elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubj44-0003Pb-PV for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 23:04:40 -0400 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 23:04:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:04:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: steve To: FOT Subject: [Fot] In-Car video from VARA Buttonwillow May 5, 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Here's some cool in-car video from the Spitfire of DJ Isaac. This is the Sunday Flag race from VARA's "British Extravaganza." I appear in the video in my TR3 for the first 5 minutes before DJ goes sailing past me and sets the second fastest time of the race. At about :51, I was on the inside signaling DJ that there was a spin happening ahead of us. A few seconds later, an actual tumbleweed rolls across the track! There's a scary moment at 6:15. This kid is really quick. Enjoy the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WprNn5iW4g&feature=youtu.be ~Steve _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 05:14:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38C24282F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 05:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C32740ED7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 05:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 11:05:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.86] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 11:05:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 11:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 44084 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 11:05:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368443157; bh=Trt808CC4VpWp9K+L3rMzv0NUHI0n0N4+mYXz6aoNB8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KbLOIH5g+Q8ryA1TezdE5rTl85sWGcOXJK+O2esHnIW1WYI5U/lVEyDAjHgHD0DNvh7zgYYCHOHWJLd+zFEkwgOtbfOnPr3kmn22Ai9UpR+YU1ft3oLkbF7HJyI52a7MUA+U1LKlrNyb/Ajkfaaq6l2I9m0E0xU2/3ZOEuqINa0= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lkFhK1NlUXtB4BFBjqxBVRaR+YYVygCqSFe2O5FHb2xkq6JXscJpADl7gfAiQIZ+88rPM0mWpWQ6a+4OMQeavWf0br+VvgoC50b0SVgpxe3VPbQ3a8KQj/57mv4xl5Q84g72lbuzGrxeW7rqinwm6+BF97W8QSicjVQbEYScv28=; yRALyenC3DuLkr3DrAkUgbv0daCNGiq5oc.Ly87N7wa.5JJPdxHwMKfLGu66 RDIS0TLy5H7wm3fxPjwWhr1etbgu8oiW.QUAcM.Oa_SCFGtVFtVfKfmn7ekW Da8Gz_Fx8dXiGDWjp7j5cuW6bS2Pqp5yb0AlRxW4vOSwDyMKMn4nEQICQscb JIh.EfeqjXHA7u1.dPgAU.hjq7Ng6EPs.ERYeMtzflBuNYglD4y3owuDghP6 OWkbXtdZOwRvuwRDhQ_6VILXZDcyMn143SDMzL1Lzh_ncBrqSEL9ohRP59cT k7bApJtllYExRXb6M.4Ar1uIg9gtW73FRj9VGf.PS.ZDrt9U4bag2abrmo3n NkYJE2eZR8VwEqEbWLWj.K6xJCcxBwE_FXHcCgUups4cfjfVv3ui.bY87h4G C8eJmbonTHmUiT0LaWF6UXTW_KfpjOcu2tQih5kK31OhfC59_5IulXEVu4tx 70qS4Hsba1ucsVXlS5ZZFESydivUJqgWND0s0vCe.JE67 Received: from [74.190.146.148] by web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 04:05:57 PDT TWFrZSBzdXJlIHlvdSBkbyBub3QgaGF2ZSBhIFF1aW50b24gSGF6ZWwgY2x1dGNoIHNldHVwLiBUaGV5IHN0aWNrIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB5b3UgZGVzY3JpYmUuIE5leHQsIGNoZWNrIHRoZSBkaWFtZXRlciBvZiB5b3VyIGNsdXRjaCBob3NlLCBpdCBzaG91bGQgYmUgYmlnZ2VyIHRoYW4geW91ciBicmFrZSBsaW5lLiBDbHV0Y2ggaG9zZXMgbmVlZCB0byBiZSBiaWdnZXIgdG8gYWxsb3cgdGhlIHByZXNzdXJlIHRvIHJlbGVhc2UgcXVpY2tseS4gSWYgdGhlIG1hc3RlciBjeWxpbmRlciB0b29rIHRoZSBzYW1lIHMBMAEBAQE- References: <000001ce4f70$3cf78930$b6e69b90$@net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 04:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: barry rosenberg To: Mike Moore , 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Make sure you do not have a Quinton Hazel clutch setup. They stick just like you describe. Next, check the diameter of your clutch hose, it should be bigger than your brake line. Clutch hoses need to be bigger to allow the pressure to release quickly. If the master cylinder took the same size fitting as before, it is probably correct for the clutch, it should have a bigger line fitting than a master brake cylinder. An adjustable pushrod is useless. The only way it would have any effect on the situation is if you adjusted it so far that the piston is bottomed out in the slave cylinder and then you would be putting constant pressure on the TOB, not good. TR 3-6 hydraulic clutch systems will always, when in good condition, push the piston out as far as it will go just by the small internal spring. It just keeps very light pressure on the pushrod. If you lengthen the pushrod, all you do is push the piston back into the slave cylinder, until you go so far as to bottom it out. ________________________________ From: Mike Moore To: 'FOT' Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 clutch getting desperate, 2 days till racing school At track today, I had to push clutch in 95% of way to be able to shift. If I go 100% pedal sticks to floor, but pulls up really easily. Problem started after I replaced m/c and s/c. Master is Wilwood (same as was in car) slave is stock from Roadster Factory. Just took clutch out, it is stock TR6 and pressure plate and contact disc look fine. Fork is bolted to shaft and is not bent. Do I have an adjustment problem? If I leave slave shaft slightly loose, I can't shift easily. Can I have the m/c shaft extended too far? Maybe a stiffer spring on pedal to bypass problem for now? I can drive 5 hours tomorrow and get another clutch but don't want to waste the time since this one looks ok. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 07:03:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC575427A7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33F042572 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:44:22 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Yellow04' , "trmarty@hotmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Fot] trans fluif Thread-Index: AQHOTo1a4d7MXg0EWEWcw4z8HAVnd5kDEfdQ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:44:21 +0000 References: <5g3cmb2yfwl1i0uw4ex5lkgp.1368306073031@email.android.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net See the second article, from June 2005. http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Yellow04 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 4:20 PM To: trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Before I ponied up for the billet bottom end, I ran an OD in my race car. I tried a couple varieties of GL4 and 5, but never overcame the problem of the OD engaging sluggishly and then not at all on a hard, hot run. I believe I was frothing the oil at big rpm. I was about to put Redline in and be done with it, but I called Moldex instead. It was suggested to me to run non-detergent 30 weight oil in a street OD box, and it works great. When I rebuilt the race prepped OD box this Spring to sell in the old yellow car, I went to Napa and bought the same cheap oil that has served me well on the street, and ran a weekend at VIR. Shifted perfectly, and the OD worked perfectly. I change it every race weekend because that gives me the ability to take a close look at the oil, giving me a good read on the health of the box. Redline oil is way too expensive for that! Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 07:30:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1585242836 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5606A42572 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CD23A7002B34D for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.201]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A8E09E000088 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: SpiwakD@aol.com Full-name: SpiwakD Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368451569; bh=YUuIyxm9XfS60UXXdDOBLTleFNx7CI213OU1fM1gsYQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L6omfMTfT+bYZmeetCYaONvrlFNeB8cXobg5qUPKkDhRfqp8jZswmjqqmQ9rDQwSd kozZ1rKoW/4EVTR3Zs0Ne9/qoISBgL4kgrsgwptN86XScw2YMBgW/FrV6z6tkCNA+a 7xdULqsN8HBBVKLhcYnI4/bdWIeX90oPYa7ol0YI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c75190e9f1339f Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and performance? David Spiwak _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 07:45:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FA442576 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E066D40381 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id a11so1300325eae.26 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=jLrItmuUsY1Zj2NNgKm3T4d6oTH0Jm4Wmgp1IW7pQM8=; b=cBe3U5U9F+9UwL6s3XPJY4HeQMlU6QvVyTVfvojmfvr7zMll6uTyg9F17Ckw67ZK2T CwG7YSHcSWbfWVmG+yHPIA+hW0mU028aRVKPgME9e8qiaKroDs1sKCTPdLOV28UgWd/r t/FCLFlHeB2DE6fpHdQRW1i3W/yEQphgUxdt2aNWVAz7YCmeeOq89jXg0X1M68QilmUm 9rjXRjpjpAasc3sYz9GzVQFAxj45ppTwNA6+MB1ZzGrKzRIItzKwrXWTLVdQWtRHGU/3 dyeHKE6EtGqjN63GuONxT4XaFK3Z8hnCtja2wB1YLa0oGe9ZJundJ1ve0BqpjobvYuf5 W9Hw== bc50mr78431107eeb.36.1368452132531; Mon, 13 May 2013 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([2.174.69.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e50sm22962635eev.13.2013.05.13.06.35.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 06:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:35:28 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5P3bHRftUY9AvkSZSxSsdVVm2SLAAAEq6w Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort/NL - first race of season Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had some trouble on this first season. - practice: not too good - P8 - race 1: Leaked water out - pulled head and fitted gasket of the previous design - race 2: recovered from P39 to P13 - could have been better but half the racind distance the safety car was out while they removed oil from the track - race 3: went out on old tires. Started to rain. Lost some positions. Then track dried out and the hunt was on and I ended up on 4th overall. Race 3 - first few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffhIm_zTyWs Maybe you asked where these telemetric datas are gone. I just forgot to bring my CF-storage card for the video equipment. So I had to use the camera out of my Hummer. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 08:23:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E88427E4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D619740326 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id lj1so4657920pab.32 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:01:59 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=wQsvT0uL0VTVpj+yEPgjIeHt1IYkHHCh60eZ9HzdiZY=; b=Ywz6+k+nzqfhG3FdaIu9DQgl8n5a+KEQEPtRDeBQ3HmpH7RPAuIudAdej2fr7Zl4ja v0TAMhF0qQPro2W44CAkZW1VcRzarXhHvMRfow6dz9oGTu8+dnVRl/csxyWsuLIz2JLi qUvII1wz4mjE9bfn+A7zRcpqVkcrY31zjJs020kAH3LsmTa+N98S/OManUiIpEHO6ryE rujN8YzmKpozmR/eh8c9HqKl5R4MIVMEo4E3xkxp+7KBEoLdx6/QX8E2x1macbuZDQY1 gWwoSPll15u2I8rSj55jjV9Xj4hhaxIPjADkEQEpQn1qBhTJVkr4nQ+ubh9X8uOVqjnr GEkA== ob2mr29903624pbb.134.1368453718946; Mon, 13 May 2013 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp184-182.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.184.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ag4sm14197513pbc.20.2013.05.13.07.01.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 07:01:55 -0700 References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> To: SpiwakD@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Junk from crooks. On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and > performance? > > David Spiwak > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 08:26:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7014292F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr03.ntelos.net (mailrtr03.ntelos.net [216.12.0.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E7842913 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr03.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r4DE1lWL004842; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.234.204]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Mon, 13 May 2013 10:01:48 -0400 References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:01:48 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" To: SpiwakD@aol.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That company does not have a very good reputation. You might check the "Monster List": http://www.dimebank.com/monster/vendors.html John On Mon, May 13, 2013 9:26 am, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and > performance? > > David Spiwak > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 09:46:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71694257E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4EB425B7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130513153010245; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:30:10 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 520617624; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:30:03 -0500 From: To: "Bill Babcock" , References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> <1162B9D6-A422-43FA-8AC5-B0025DC8E158@bnj.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:30:02 -0500 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What Bill said. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:01 AM To: SpiwakD@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Junk from crooks. On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and > performance? > > David Spiwak > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6320 - Release Date: 05/13/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:02:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C2C427E5 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CD440520 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ib11so5529311vcb.21 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to:x-gm-message-state; bh=Cd4d4SmdPHe7IvLqlNxUPhYyLME86be3BlT9msoR6tQ=; b=pOkPFxiYKTAAsaDQ5RzHw+t0dmICEsPkm+9E7i7pmV8dEkeM7y8ISexbmdGfjvm81k svkFodDAqZlgcuXpHEd/WYlVvCL9OJiiVmv3oU0ZpTlU5EBGBwzkeQ9ME0UM0jLlC+nm 7hy3IW7EqqHE+vVxDJnzggp+TDuC03Uf4nDuR44Qu4SVA9Dzq4GHvdfj9sOMIodSnd31 RzEAkBnhfQJtCANA1hR8rzEOaMtFYit4V3WDBR5rezQG68M0SsUrF9osg8jX62T4qBCe qCZ7OnJLk2p8aZS9VVhWQ6R8nVi3VH0Tpn6bHaGjpb497Whx5q707S1s6+TmleLZR0FP YvQA== si1mr15940149vdc.79.1368460228255; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.105] (cpe-67-246-45-67.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.246.45.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v19sm13355367vek.3.2013.05.13.08.50.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 08:50:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> <1162B9D6-A422-43FA-8AC5-B0025DC8E158@bnj.com> <228051760C014ACFAD8B39583BF2A6D9@rileyPC> From: Bob Bownes - Seiri Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:50:25 -0400 To: "" Cc: Bill Babcock , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net +1 On May 13, 2013, at 11:30, wrote: > What Bill said. > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:01 AM > To: SpiwakD@aol.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > > Junk from crooks. > On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > >> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and >> performance? >> >> David Spiwak >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6320 - Release Date: 05/13/13 _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:16:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6291242587 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFDC403B1 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:10:41 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=3Xd-YP29o3AA:10 a=8EcQLNjjAAAA:8 a=iRUxEWpi_AQ2gjFv_pMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=bRNsWTu-JrYA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9F/7E-02984-7CF01915; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:07:36 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:07:48 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHOTo1a4d7MXg0EWEWcw4z8HAVnd5kDEfdQgAA4jAA= Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > See the second article, from June 2005. > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm Then consider how absurd it is to claim that Triumph delivered cars with oil that would damage them instantly. 90 weight GL4 was the factory fill from about 1960 to the end of the TR6 run. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:17:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607F1428F4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2660A40450 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130513161039.JTDT8908.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:10:39 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id bUAU1l00E4qRjhw01UAUk2; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:10:28 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZqbXdVit3J8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=SqDVjzLKDxmc4k1hd0MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:10:33 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5P3b7un36c8PeYTmimKyRKoywBdQAFoaJQ Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Never bought anything from them but I have heard plenty of negative comments about their quality and especially prices. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpiwakD@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:26 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and performance? David Spiwak _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:48:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3616425B7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F81B4003F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b4.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.104]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4DFpI4I023724 for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:34:40 GMT References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> <1162B9D6-A422-43FA-8AC5-B0025DC8E158@bnj.com> <228051760C014ACFAD8B39583BF2A6D9@rileyPC> <213AF7B8-9B7B-4083-A560-C6B33A082476@seiri.com> Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:34:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net in 1995 I needed a gasket. I ordered one from paeco. It was not satisfactory. Hence Gasket Works was born. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Bob Bownes - Seiri Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:50:25 To: Cc: Bill Babcock; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines +1 On May 13, 2013, at 11:30, wrote: > What Bill said. > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:01 AM > To: SpiwakD@aol.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > > Junk from crooks. > On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > >> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and >> performance? >> >> David Spiwak >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6320 - Release Date: 05/13/13 _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 11:02:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9079A40536 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DAF4042F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C1CCA70049C93 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 6B9CFE000386 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:55:06 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368464112; bh=QM/uApKO4Fys6dNOHwSWTL6/fuAto5bWNR2xsODel94=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=qRvIkwA2r/CQnRT/9/Wrj8f6A+TZBFwupHBENzTOiO4ofF86bGJYs67UqjEm+XJ/d nMHF2Px+I3mtHO50oMJbSF3eA0YbWWi143J0m9BcJJ68P0q8wlLbYGL8xakTSwhmn1 IWb+6Hb93OOIZ2Ddxur6Kwr+TSbMvvIMx2U1Et5g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290151911af07ce9 Subject: [Fot] Josh Files Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPad The press releases on Keith Files' son make great reading.... GO Josh! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 11:16:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D479425A4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FDB403A5 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:09:25 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=E+rIMfE6+buCjfpS3NkNowWJZwUY1ZJDeiOJum219Ey4vRUlg2BbU8Irrv1wWFyZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.39] (helo=elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UbwCr-0006Yn-QA for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:06:37 -0400 Received: from 209.179.51.176 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:06:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:06:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Mike Jackson To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net How can they possibly still be around? Reputation was truly horrible 20+ years ago. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Curry >Sent: May 13, 2013 12:10 PM >To: SpiwakD@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > >Never bought anything from them but I have heard plenty of negative comments >about their quality and especially prices. > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of SpiwakD@aol.com >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:26 AM >To: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines > >Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and >performance? > >David Spiwak >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 11:34:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758D2427A4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE884032A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:29:02 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ZqbXdVit3J8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=SleQ4-6HBPDoWu9q_zMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=6aYlHnjJhzyZ373K:21 a=0P_jesq6zDuW9VMe:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:59369] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A1/C0-20878-F2221915; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:26:08 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Mike Jackson'" , References: <16502116.1368464797671.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:26:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5P/UaXKOVXn8gARsqCBLq8IJ5pFAAAWz/Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Lots of newbie's with money soon to be lost! They do lots of one time only business. Word gets out when a place is that bad! russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Jackson Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:07 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines How can they possibly still be around? Reputation was truly horrible 20+ years ago. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Curry >Sent: May 13, 2013 12:10 PM >To: SpiwakD@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > >Never bought anything from them but I have heard plenty of negative >comments about their quality and especially prices. > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of SpiwakD@aol.com >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:26 AM >To: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines > >Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality >and performance? > >David Spiwak >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 11:35:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FD640548 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:35:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f53.google.com (mail-qe0-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC69C40437 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f53.google.com with SMTP id cz11so3721693qeb.26 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2efBRsFPglhiC8bh861beqaenSWlQTvY6XcdopR/D5o=; b=jH1TG4Cfec/gZzD2KdQ1AiuwnRf2jM16TuR+quTR4mVWu5jUJJ6BCWCC8RyzRfca9L sHAFfsRM/OhMYoIkVUmhaIi9Lr3pBbMOcFkuCIqQPMqaa7aVjP494jzGdd2069RxPVSR C7+N+44P2MEw82IzKaidQZUWOBR2kfZQoMkWFtSmomxgSVZ5g8oj1g2OBJtv+avd2Mf7 F6PtjDFZaRwRvbuaZX+WtpC3dXMac4gzBxugxyvzB6FrdMZpJKRugLuZ7hPaxx9uqQkA DtWiBGLPvJX6gWaB8nm5YMjVgkEHWGo8d86NOaqUlKqVceuKLXRWUbHBiA5AM3aMUguh VKdA== Mon, 13 May 2013 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.171 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA73202B1CDE@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <9F.7E.02984.7CF01915@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:30:01 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Randall Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I also run non-detergent 30 weight oil, the old stuff, on an "A" drive box and have had no gearbox problems for 5 years of track time, shifts good and pleased. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Randall wrote: > > See the second article, from June 2005. > > > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm > > Then consider how absurd it is to claim that Triumph delivered cars with > oil > that would damage them instantly. 90 weight GL4 was the factory fill from > about 1960 to the end of the TR6 run. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 11:47:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3F4427A7 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E903D403B1 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:38:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 17:35:42 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.205] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 17:35:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 17:35:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368466542; bh=pE0RssGxLJqm2EI3M0DiO69gTsF/VirwfFoY8/1Skj8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=flcp6lDjJMPsbAfcqGrKRduROAKaGDxXH3YanqLPy9nMbZlE2AhP5ORUXq4GdMzJYI0XWYV9P1tlNP/CDEpVrFPFZD3N786DuhoDLSm0TlEhgETB57jebcYzN0Bg/q0CdR0qjwkoj83TjU4gs6GV3IxHkttbiV5OMzgsMvt1W3A= u7bfkEvCbtsNg1pVgNk59R.RSoMoJpIhdAiBJgWwjJi_W2qWCidlAPhMhEFZ 5j0qOqoCEm.ZOjZkRsEnCCwBDSrbTEDCmbDXr81B_WfxOq4PnL6JGmMNwhp8 RxOmxqONc0Jldg9Fa_XGFX6FOedS_6QDShgVG8I7sWCOvSQW1.sXcD_vceLY Rp20CYPHeIhl6di.NN0zmaUKTtBeeeGyRI.clyhqcMePqO6JHYOnoQz25XX5 yroni3YOwyqHUqBDvTRmr5Q2azBCJrkeXY2cMIMPmtm1akTrltgVDzN4zUrv gB.bfFx8SPrWFmmKlI2KoRxTO8dqtGoL4Xs5PYw4MfqJrmoM27tzalJYNa9. PbFSLpxj2SYapmjAlOX2rSDUhd0lKn5dYfJVMeVuah6SXyT8cStsm_OHmtEp 87e3nSWTNue.SOMcSJk9uu4Gd9PK3OwNj9RPOt0zI68_V7axmRSu52KHWBj. z7KT0GAzoRyKFR5PXtuzwjk1Lw6J5fF.Ha6hxpGHx0qlr2ChmsxFFKjbSndl c with xymcookie) by smtp114-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 10:35:42 -0700 PDT References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> <1162B9D6-A422-43FA-8AC5-B0025DC8E158@bnj.com> <228051760C014ACFAD8B39583BF2A6D9@rileyPC> <213AF7B8-9B7B-4083-A560-C6B33A082476@seiri.com> From: Yahoo Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:35:38 -0600 To: Bob Bownes - Seiri Cc: Bill Babcock , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I just replaced one of their 6500 rpm cams and springs combos. Got to it before it tore up the rest of the motor. Ty Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Bob Bownes - Seiri wrote: > +1 > > On May 13, 2013, at 11:30, wrote: > >> What Bill said. >> >> art de armond >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:01 AM >> To: SpiwakD@aol.com >> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines >> >> Junk from crooks. >> On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and >>> performance? >>> >>> David Spiwak >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6320 - Release Date: 05/13/13 > _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 12:06:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CCC4042F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD60040359 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EDC11700028DB; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.9]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C552DE000089; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:53:40 -0400 (EDT) To: tylerpthompson@yahoo.com, bownes@seiri.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368467620; bh=fhG19nLV2OWGQxtL06keMsZzrTpySX/ZpqcBhphY2AU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qh6Y0m82MgkmqTK1NpT76Q9EZyeojk4Ct817ROTZPZkvDoKqhK9cGdE8px4xw7G2x Eqsxw9Nz9jOUI6xHK6y5ocAdpWKCYPbI/fTugnmysCXVgW25fdGmZC2pfqlSnUZCQB d0PpCe3Iake+FsgXjc7memaPLraMf4yRK/a2eh+s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e519128a45046 Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow! I guess I should be thankful in 35 years, I've never dealt with PAECO. Do they kill babies too? Bill (Damdinger) PS And then load them on a truck with pitch forks? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 12:46:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E5040526 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C224039F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 18:40:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.133] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 18:40:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 18:40:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368470406; bh=ayx2wIB7nSIWnKi+GsQ0oEFJRohMjcOSnOX0Na99a04=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:MIME-Version:To:Cc:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=irYZnF/YOJ5R1od3cBvx7zBfbc83SJKVAPIEBzbISpN2vS/X5FlAp9hT9384pn8e2sPvf55DU9joyzrziA2TTTsnfskNFyIus0JZGBFQStpJsxsrjuc+0NHOcE0cPDaUpF+nwjG53+ToH47SsLsASNpfL+g3kZOwk0XGEnNwkTE= EBLqSeIrU4hDtmcAYVK4y_z7FoYJstMyt_M_4J0psMrGpg.Xua0iVs8SOLZd 1mkUfEd53SEzXl76Bu5RHO03V0haas7urogyknSiMTpMUTK0c0wqBgtqV087 3IcXKP.UTaqQZ0E6dw6gwLs_7bfmO9hPfye9gHozZtdanvzSoRx3ZFAgrN8D epRbrvs1oQpxAZWQ4333ztSlETFCm4B7nd2lnsHX4.vdsuvMVGpzySQzJckg 2ZBnV2KI2l3uvC1pv5RSuu6rO918mMCzvMWn6e7GtL7CEDT3lPu.LcuY3NLE clBlB7VfNOLqRa8O.WHNbbVVAc5MvFw97O.3GRBWBOkXJs95B_ImdPSn1cPj EVwKpunXsE76r5ANkJiG_h2nKEulyH3f8_HD._UkuQQGSaQ_02Ji77BerVXQ OnxpPplyyPwEQQvCq8SyMrdHvWEEf1HG2E2sIVIubg6RwZl0XORLufkUGoar x9VHLE6KJBbmzxvOhN3jHd8Ie7_.FVNiXmReCbW8P_qhCNSYieRvOuWAH79L G8w-- by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 11:40:06 -0700 PDT To: Bill Babcock , "SpiwakD@aol.com" From: Dennis DeLap Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:39:46 -0500 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Where is PAECO located? -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Babcock" Sent: b5/b13/b2013 9:20 AM To: "SpiwakD@aol.com" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Junk from crooks. On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and > performance? > > David Spiwak > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 12:53:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031FC426BD for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DFF40404 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.226.11.8] (227.sub-174-228-10.myvzw.com [174.228.10.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4DIodb0016309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 May 2013 14:50:42 -0400 References: <284261.29476.bm@smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:50:37 -0400 To: Dennis DeLap a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=byAoHk2bdNfzFk4SlBkzZw==:17 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=dKKdPrnsAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=DyMgSWZyTC8Hl-Qsdr8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=jJEJZSdMZHEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=byAoHk2bdNfzFk4SlBkzZw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: Bill Babcock , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bham Al Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Where is PAECO located? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > Sent: b5/b13/b2013 9:20 AM > To: "SpiwakD@aol.com" > Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > > Junk from crooks. > On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > >> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and >> performance? >> >> David Spiwak >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 12:58:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2785425C4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ADF40410 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9B0DC70002C5B; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.13.100] (208-38-70-241.static.izoom.net [208.38.70.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 1F92EE000085; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:55:13 -0400 (EDT) References: <284261.29476.bm@smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jhouathome Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:55:07 -0500 To: Dennis DeLap x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368471313; bh=CcFd6cvA8a6uobO1E3b2xDGCltgABReM0EX4zccN48g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=j2TrZq0jY4szBfPBoieFdmMJrg4MDaRyjm+7u2fg/pvveRkjdfVDyjNaTExyCP/aJ fNBXJNYykCtRiGN2ilBt1lj7MjFp27G3+D9mNbiIROicU8gUwB8kivVNSVsIiFS4Ch vl6DUYBb0oyacsnoKwyjJnNqnTorThbQqOa+AIrs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2942519137117fc8 Cc: Bill Babcock , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Birmingham, Alabama. Some of their off the shelf parts are good enough, but service is spotty and shipping is not reliable. In 34 seasons of racing I have never encountered a single happy customer of their machining/engine building services. The reputation is "very unreliable", and rude or non-responsive are bonuses. There may be happy customers out there, but I have never met one. John Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Where is PAECO located? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > Sent: b5/b13/b2013 9:20 AM > To: "SpiwakD@aol.com" > Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > > Junk from crooks. > On May 13, 2013, at 6:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > >> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and >> performance? >> >> David Spiwak >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 13:27:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571BA4053E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94D640412 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wm4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (wm4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.10]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MMR006P54I4MP60@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.83.138.143] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:22:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Redmond To: spiwakd@aol.com User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Did you get enough information and replies to make a sound decision? Boy, I hope so! On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:26 AM, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality > and performance? > David Spiwak > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 13:36:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE1C40540 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44225403A0 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130513184236124; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:42:36 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 520727594; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:42:27 -0500 From: To: , , References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:42:27 -0500 Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In 1969 I bought some Tractor Motor intake valves from PAECO that were total crap. So, yes, this goes back a LOOOONG way. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:53 PM To: tylerpthompson@yahoo.com ; bownes@seiri.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com ; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Wow! I guess I should be thankful in 35 years, I've never dealt with PAECO. Do they kill babies too? Bill (Damdinger) PS And then load them on a truck with pitch forks? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6320 - Release Date: 05/13/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 13:48:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48C140525 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BD040412 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130513194559.VOHJ25893.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:45:59 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id bXlo1l0064qRjhw01XlzyC; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:45:59 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZqbXdVit3J8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WMimlZgUAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hRXMmZxa_JYNbaGNE_4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=p0idVmGAdl8A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:45:53 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5QEMSx4Qq/vjHZQlObjS9p/vGZcAAASuDw Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net How does a company with such a bad reputation continue to remain in business? Now that there is an internet where such experiences are easily shared, I suspect that they will finally close their doors. I learned a long time ago that the only thing of value that any seller of merchandise has is his reputation. Lose that and you will not be allowed to remain in business. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside@southslope.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:42 AM To: BillDentin@aol.com; tylerpthompson@yahoo.com; bownes@seiri.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines In 1969 I bought some Tractor Motor intake valves from PAECO that were total crap. So, yes, this goes back a LOOOONG way. art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 13:56:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BEA4051E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABFC40519 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 19:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.114] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 19:53:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 19:53:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 33176 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 19:53:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368474809; bh=ceDM+oN117i4w38Ckp7Qek2AOsM6NqGc14h1NfIPW5k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ItrOK70bigdMlboO2wTi4rI+WjGxUnQGMsyKiBafhW0rCR61yueMMVdtoCmqunNfLb7EX4U3ysIETkNIYwBW4F0fflGI+L8gWyYHufAFpFxSBAyQ8fPHTvp7DLrGCKM3pTdx+kyz2O1H83BWYHD0Btj5bKjn94KyDzbaGFzrNK4= 7M9.i3.BV6xb_WOw5iufQaVVwU_dvqAsi5minKvtf8wHqM46t46SJNdg36Fk lJdDpZZ0hTvvMWGeq.jMexzKgLg6_alYqH87DojfY7jui4Pf9urqDF8K.a2v D1RGxrYYZiClzqBz_Ckn5PiTe3jHRCEBhoLrSwWwL6wOtHsJz8.kpgChqRZZ kcrPWCAo2V4PCglUD2QrjePITR5i6mpkokc6mkuaasQ_JxP5fLOVeVCo9VOq VbhWcXyp9QwpUKLy0XmmWcOdI6ZNnIY9qV.i_zo4_LLVYBIABkVipog10kdQ j2c0MW40psATvyClWyRKuDUrhWvLRse3efy0Zo5HwKbaPdUlyzBvCDZN5Yq3 _HqVnhT1BOVSlTVwrLuDSHEpfMoZBvMa5fmNejnF45LG3Dhak1HbX5qbJNqo O_u0MSDefiFBqLnQMoOS.kfXqKqXQQIIB9hGYBgzmtqFREKV6kD2A4S6TkZs y7WNPaTCs_6tp4vkRlbxKSQRfKVCoQ9eLwyaHE0Ax7osWEO2weFS7D5RrD.d 91V7Sa6U9gr_b7y_3BV.SzNOJXAR40WEIoGul Received: from [24.98.118.42] by web5806.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:29 PDT SW4gdGhlIG1pZCBlaWdodGllcyAsIG9uZSBvZiBteSBlbXBsb3llZXMgd2FzIHJ1bm5pbmcgYW4gRS1Qcm9kIE1HQi4gSGUgb3JkZXJlZCBhICdjb21wZXRpdGlvbicgc2V0IG9mIGJyYWtlIHBhZHMgZnJvbSBQQUVDTyBhdCBhIGNvc3Qgb2YgJDQwLjAwL3NldC4gV2hlbiB0aGUgcGFkcyBhcnJpdmVkIHRoZXkgd2VyZSB0aGUgc2FtZSBzdG9jayBDRVcgcGFkcyB3ZSBrZXB0IGluIHN0b2NrIGF0ICQ4LjAwIGEgc2V0LiBJIGdvdCB0byB3aXRuZXNzIG15IGZpcnN0ICdjb25uaXB0aW9uJyAuIChzcD8pCkFsYW4BMAEBAQE- References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alan ..." To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In the mid eighties , one of my employees was running an E-Prod MGB. He ordered a 'competition' set of brake pads from PAECO at a cost of $40.00/set. When the pads arrived they were the same stock CEW pads we kept in stock at $8.00 a set. I got to witness my first 'conniption' . (sp?) Alan T ________________________________ From: "SpiwakD@aol.com" To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:26 AM Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and performance? David Spiwak _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alan@nosbritishparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 16:49:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B533424D8 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C96840433 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bTd91l0030QkzPwA8amFhU; Mon, 13 May 2013 22:46:15 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bamE1l00V2yr1eL8NamET2; Mon, 13 May 2013 22:46:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 22:46:14 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Yellow04 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1368485175; bh=xd2WwXG+h9EPt7hEroYibhZB6WEXJIj3PZf+eAtzXi0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=NwC+7N2cnJjMEjgJ4CYvKrwI36Fq1Rju4yjwtmI1o0npes0TPSUgkrZGdm9GyWuFf yqiktpu0dkRvvrGEJIMzwP2yW7HJgmI/YStq0OMf16SeDRkoUl5cGcBCzP8Wnr+X2y vL9YWLfxHGinTczYkxlNEDwY1FrGAwNcwEVq/jgH0v5sK72nhbzKEkQ3K+wSzODgpY MYqFHuezD5MG+9oWqu2nHZNJVOEvVct8OZ9Hh0ip0rZguJ4S9mMVwKbEJec4XKqRPv DwC90e1P8SwuhQHwIaGAkBxr3l+0KJ6zvqKHC0gXHH+yX5zdgsV9d31KDLrfxNshud W2Q6r+BZR7XqQ== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My J type was shifting slow and sometimes not at all and it turned out to be a sticky high pressure relief valve was dragging in the bore. I swapped it out with a spare and has workedB perfect with both 30 wt and 90 wt.. Jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yellow04" To: trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:20:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Before I ponied up for the billet bottom end, I ran an OD in my race car. I tried a couple varieties of GL4 and 5, but never overcame the problem of the OD engaging sluggishly and then not at all on a hard, hot run. I believe I was frothing the oil at big rpm. I was about to put Redline in and be done with it, but I called Moldex instead. It was suggested to me to run non-detergent 30 weight oil in a street OD box, and it works great. When I rebuilt the race prepped OD box this Spring B to sell in the old yellow car, I went to Napa and bought the same cheap oil that has served me well on the street, and ran a weekend at VIR. Shifted perfectly, and the OD worked perfectly. I change it every race weekend because that gives me the ability to take a close look at the oil, giving me a good read on the health of the box. Redline oil is way too expensive for that! Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 16:49:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F344426BB for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0348540440 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 22:46:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.51] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 22:46:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 22:46:28 -0000 I22s.qozyOuVk.hlkItJouC3oe29eBOuyfVo5pEeHkAjGMzDnrCQaOCq9GZe f9Mn4PkDdZn3q6M_ySnOJjee.EDqgOYD8hyJ0Bn0DDLaJhnwz1nH2hFFRs3w O3leBFtkqBbTEGLhluI5P8CBeGwisL9Cg_6PdFQ1PHjAHOSsuUyN9VCbF2Mr VtYKDOssZg32Y.JrjXybzNkCvK9d_Cy02J.cULTzujSFziFBh9CZ9SQtrndV XMrym_p9D0PDY_FU1ldyhxPYGv.z2Nvn0DsGEaEyvnKTr_TcLuFVMUmPMWLy jfsHjgab2JhhFvVLDb0gO.JTV.brWy4HAnpfSJR_V4YmmPNpSnmLiDZpACht Ykf2008BDgjkD43ZVqZrdS7dTaYu8rDphE3cEsvJ30ufAKEEtJxsUyZmmPAs xh2d6XuoZGoiFncFu4JNjylu3xr2ixSo3D6LXvpOOqCTVueIBjR_yDSKP31A t_z10ULKDvzbdZLNsdTNiRDCLi5jukiDsRj4XwN9xGWOcaXucZ3aGT9P2ufh FB9SWBv4rS2nG7Ic6G_5hEib3TCBhIbq0hzIbVLIUrnU8GUpE4nh4Da0SCX_ EoP.6EmlQA2INbQ-- plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 15:46:28 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:46:27 -0500 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <9F.7E.02984.7CF01915@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I agree. I don't use anything exotic, just use Staylube GL4. It's available locally and avoids the "yellow metal scare" associated with GL5. I believe Quantum usually replaces the brake linings. I don't normally find that necessary and have not seen a spec for when it should be done. I am aware of a couple of quantum rebuilds that did not want to release from overdrive unless you smacked the housing with a hammer. Redline oil seems to help until they get broken in. Ed Barnard is the guy with the experience on this. Maybe he will weigh in. Larry On 5/13/2013 11:07 AM, Randall wrote: >> See the second article, from June 2005. >> >> http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm > Then consider how absurd it is to claim that Triumph delivered cars with oil > that would damage them instantly. 90 weight GL4 was the factory fill from > about 1960 to the end of the TR6 run. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 17:02:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E482E4255E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665CA40420 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 22:59:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.175] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 22:59:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 22:59:25 -0000 NDAeUzDzJ.hve_SxNc0veZRDkAqjp0qPdK2a4fF0lEKdQ.ZWXu8egMDGebf8 QrKvxwItKjO1wuBIgSQoTmzN7b98znkun9X9b0.GSvbagFEcvNFsuIcjuOAX 0p1XMiQED_hW9tC218rT0djJNyI9JPrNY.L9Im7JzxtI1c3IahfsdPmPY3Lr txSMagOPiHz62J8B0rb28VXUcVg617Aap9IKiJm_2WUJ3vc2V6shS7IbkLO1 1Wz3Lx76e_4ZWqleuFpoxmLKj8WmGhsiEHRfNtfYYnGgJY2kEEopdW6o6YrT nEof0OakbC_A5O3PrQtCNJALKLkSAFNw2tKTLV2lmRQ76UPB7JGxAHkCgyzP qBpOUfIturl0cHljn8qs1jJ0JdnG8gj19JMVpFEHbJkjGuoXCaA0Znb4UEMk GSBnLRb4hROQjhA3jwqAx1wTOS0cnV31GmaIUh556fVg- smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 15:59:25 -0700 PDT From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:59:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, to my eternal dismay. Many years ago I *finally* saved up enough money to by a "Real Race Engine." and got it from PAECO -- knowing no better at the time. It was a boat anchor I had to live with for years as it was that long (a divorce intervening) before I could afford another. * The engine was for a Mk. 1 Spitfire. The front plate was from a TR4, which bolts right on. Key difference: the Spitfire front plate has the motor mounts, the TR4's doesn't! Had to disassemble the whole front end and reassemble it just to be able to put it in the car!. * I asked for a stock pan because I already had a baffled pan. Good thing. When I took the stock pan off it was full of what looked like layers of dried oil residue. * #1 lifter had a burr in the lifter hole that kept it from going up and down. The burr was discovered the first time we tried to drive the car and it broke the camshaft almost immediately. * When I sent it back for repair I specifically told them about the burr. When it was returned the burr was still there! * It was promised in three months. It was delivered in 18 months. When I tried to cancel the order they wouldn't let me -- they already had my money and refused to give it back. * They pledged to stand behind their product, so of course they repaired it for free on warranty -- but I had to pay the expensive two-way truck shipping. * When they shipped it (at my expense) they rated the weight at 500 pounds, double what it really weighed. I had to sue the trucking company to get a refund of the shipping overpayment (I don't use that trucker any more either). * "Competition valve springs" were of such poor quality most inner springs broke. One piece worked its way down to the oil pump and broke that. * It was supposed to be a "full race" 13:1 engine. When I had a trusted friend rebuild it some years later I asked him to measure the compression ratio -- it came out 10.67:1. What thy lack in ethics they more than compensate for with incompetence. Cannot believe they're still in business! In nearly 45 years in this sport, I have never dealt with any other business that even comes remotely close to this one in its disdain for its customers or its own product. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:26 AM Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines > Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality and > performance? > > David Spiwak _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 17:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417CF40359 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5114041F for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130513231945.NLWV24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Mon, 13 May 2013 19:19:45 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id bbKl1l0021F7hH505bKlfH; Mon, 13 May 2013 19:19:45 -0400 a=9okyDgZqp55Pkq91s0rumA==:17 a=GcBDC4MYXWAA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ZqbXdVit3J8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zod7cFaVEd6I_ny57dUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=_lInIW10oG8A:10 a=E1GcDZzGyvYA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=zByIFFSu0rtDFD74:21 a=Ljv5V5SlavHpWNx1:21 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [71.10.64.126] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 19:19:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: jkhagen@charter.net To: Spitfire Racing User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you want a good motor talk to Dean Johnson former F/P Spitfire National Champion. Finally selling his stuff. Lots of engines and two race cars and a fresh really cool "Macho" [sp]? replica. contact dean --at dean@motorscope.net--612-759-6748 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Lots of newbie's with money soon to be lost! They do lots of one time > only > business. Word gets out when a place is that bad! > > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Mike Jackson > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:07 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > > How can they possibly still be around? Reputation was truly horrible > 20+ > years ago. > > Mike Jackson > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Curry >> Sent: May 13, 2013 12:10 PM >> To: SpiwakD@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines >> >> Never bought anything from them but I have heard plenty of negative >> comments about their quality and especially prices. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of SpiwakD@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:26 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines >> >> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality >> and performance? >> >> David Spiwak >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 17:29:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C99040543 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE5B40326 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [199.83.117.102] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 4e360016129ecf58; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:26:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:26:11 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Rocky Entriken References: <18294.4afc302e.3ec243f1@aol.com> <84FE937AC254468EB65D4A8086D6C152@rocky> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/13/2013 4:59 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Yes, to my eternal dismay. Many years ago I *finally* saved up enough > money to by a "Real Race Engine." and got it from PAECO -- knowing no > better at the time. It was a boat anchor I had to live with for years > as it was that long (a divorce intervening) before I could afford > another. > This is the kind of guy that builds his shop in steel, knowing that one day, someone's going to try to burn it down. Thank goodness when I was young and stupid, I had no money at all. Otherwise, I, too, might have made the same mistake. Somewhere, I still have one of his catalogs from the mid-`70s or so. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 17:33:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF83427A6 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D4840326 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:32:15 -0600 (MDT) a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:17 a=a1-zNaUMPu0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=3Xd-YP29o3AA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8EcQLNjjAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ybZZDoGAAAAA:8 a=CocmOQBebazsLxJGrfoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=bRNsWTu-JrYA:10 a=qIVjreYYsbEA:10 a=kunh2VWyx0eUa9f4:21 a=hPCMwKLbXJzV1dR7:21 a=dBOzsIjnUuddtTBVujiyHA==:117 Received: from [75.86.207.181] ([75.86.207.181:65261] helo=HPLaptop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8C/C7-06694-A5771915; Mon, 13 May 2013 23:29:30 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Larry Young'" , Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:29:29 -0500 Organization: Silver Lake Triumphs Thread-Index: Ac5QK9i27lIZ6QglTdyNuIv6kHlidQABCM4g Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Staylube GL4 and many of the other 90 weight gear oils work just fine in our gearboxes. The one main reason that I always recommend Redline MT90 is that in testing of oils this particular product and also their MTL product produced far less foaming. I use a plexi cover on the gearbox during break-in and testing of all the gearbox rebuilds that I perform. Some of the oil products produced scary amounts of foam when warmed up and running at full speed. Keep in mind that 90 gear oil is the same viscosity as 30 weight engine oil hence the recommendation over time of using engine oil. At the cost of rebuilding a gearbox as with an engine I feel that the costs of the best quality oils are the best value. As far as replacing overdrive cone clutches I replace most but not all clutches during rebuilds. I find on many clutch surfaces that they have been burned and glazed from either poor quality or dirty oil and also from not having enough engagement pressure to work with the amount of torque being produced by the engine. Most of these clutches are over 40 years old and are not that expensive to replace. For race style overdrives I use clutches with thicker linings and machine these in thickness to the particular overdrive to ensure total disengagement but also keep them very close so that a minimum amount of movement is required for engagement. This results in the fastest possible engagement, critical to speed! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:46 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif I agree. I don't use anything exotic, just use Staylube GL4. It's available locally and avoids the "yellow metal scare" associated with GL5. I believe Quantum usually replaces the brake linings. I don't normally find that necessary and have not seen a spec for when it should be done. I am aware of a couple of quantum rebuilds that did not want to release from overdrive unless you smacked the housing with a hammer. Redline oil seems to help until they get broken in. Ed Barnard is the guy with the experience on this. Maybe he will weigh in. Larry On 5/13/2013 11:07 AM, Randall wrote: >> See the second article, from June 2005. >> >> http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm > Then consider how absurd it is to claim that Triumph delivered cars > with oil that would damage them instantly. 90 weight GL4 was the > factory fill from about 1960 to the end of the TR6 run. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 18:14:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF154257E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com (mail-pb0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D1A40433 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id up7so4852058pbc.29 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:11:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W1e9hqy5LFriZloY8CmnBb5XFngWMRIUPg1quICzaxo=; b=xm6cx0ligaNSi6CLgwJFNoJYezku8vir8XsEcvTWZTCfwx+JlhjdQu6rNM4GFcv4MI c77i/SZ61Z1B4IXj84P69UXxjIbKTnMFBcBfhca2zDrLR/24J6yYXHNf+itpw1gPMrdw soSb1gv64UcQoAHt8DuZtGITRukDlqMCC3ozResNyM6W1cXPgrNtrvJIHOmfOXf2FGKs P86OcGwWrxe48rlRyUPsUx0kP62fqoi96fnKXun3Gv36g2aikG0Nuvo+kNJIFug5Iryj wV08HV1EPO2GmxnSvC7cYpyQSGMJ/DB/upMBetLwbInNJAYno64ZfWkKGYnFhET9m+yy /kKw== ja2mr30985129pbb.65.1368490267236; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.161.131 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.161.131 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <51916D43.1090209@pobox.com> <8C.C7.06694.A5771915@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:11:06 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Steve Yott Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Steve built my racing j type and the shifting is great both in and out. Has mtl oil. On May 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > Staylube GL4 and many of the other 90 weight gear oils work just fine in > our > gearboxes. The one main reason that I always recommend Redline MT90 is > that > in testing of oils this particular product and also their MTL product > produced far less foaming. I use a plexi cover on the gearbox during > break-in and testing of all the gearbox rebuilds that I perform. Some of > the oil products produced scary amounts of foam when warmed up and running > at full speed. Keep in mind that 90 gear oil is the same viscosity as 30 > weight engine oil hence the recommendation over time of using engine oil. > At the cost of rebuilding a gearbox as with an engine I feel that the costs > of the best quality oils are the best value. > > As far as replacing overdrive cone clutches I replace most but not all > clutches during rebuilds. I find on many clutch surfaces that they have > been burned and glazed from either poor quality or dirty oil and also from > not having enough engagement pressure to work with the amount of torque > being produced by the engine. Most of these clutches are over 40 years old > and are not that expensive to replace. For race style overdrives I use > clutches with thicker linings and machine these in thickness to the > particular overdrive to ensure total disengagement but also keep them very > close so that a minimum amount of movement is required for engagement. > This > results in the fastest possible engagement, critical to speed! > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:46 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif > > I agree. I don't use anything exotic, just use Staylube GL4. It's > available locally and avoids the "yellow metal scare" associated with GL5. > > I believe Quantum usually replaces the brake linings. I don't normally > find > that necessary and have not seen a spec for when it should be done. I am > aware of a couple of quantum rebuilds that did not want to release from > overdrive unless you smacked the housing with a hammer. > Redline oil seems to help until they get broken in. Ed Barnard is the guy > with the experience on this. Maybe he will weigh in. > Larry > > On 5/13/2013 11:07 AM, Randall wrote: > >> See the second article, from June 2005. > >> > >> http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm > > Then consider how absurd it is to claim that Triumph delivered cars > > with oil that would damage them instantly. 90 weight GL4 was the > > factory fill from about 1960 to the end of the TR6 run. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 18:44:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB4142460 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC83A40433 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 18:43:56 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ZqbXdVit3J8A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=5fhl-19DoD0YhijbfaQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=_lInIW10oG8A:10 a=E1GcDZzGyvYA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=2P5Uyf72M-BUUJ-n:21 a=5RSoX9iohZkgs5yk:21 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:49210] helo=Russlaptop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A2/0A-12729-62881915; Tue, 14 May 2013 00:41:11 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: References: <727161eb.675355.13ea0314aff.Webtop.48@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 20:41:07 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5QMFvaxRBW/LCpTNamTHYBhiAWngACl4nA Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The original poster of this runs a TR3 and was curious about Paeco. I build my own (and others) Spitfire engines with great durability and stability at 8K. I do admit to a number of conversations with Rick Cline and also using his cams and some design specs. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen@charter.net [mailto:jkhagen@charter.net] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 7:20 PM To: Spitfire Racing Cc: 'Mike Jackson'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines If you want a good motor talk to Dean Johnson former F/P Spitfire National Champion. Finally selling his stuff. Lots of engines and two race cars and a fresh really cool "Macho" [sp]? replica. contact dean --at dean@motorscope.net--612-759-6748 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Spitfire Racing wrote: > Lots of newbie's with money soon to be lost! They do lots of one time > only business. Word gets out when a place is that bad! > > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Mike Jackson > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:07 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines > > How can they possibly still be around? Reputation was truly horrible > 20+ > years ago. > > Mike Jackson > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Curry >> Sent: May 13, 2013 12:10 PM >> To: SpiwakD@aol.com, fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines >> >> Never bought anything from them but I have heard plenty of negative >> comments about their quality and especially prices. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of SpiwakD@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:26 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] PAECO engines >> >> Has anyone bought race engines from PAECO? Any comments about quality >> and performance? >> >> David Spiwak >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 05:35:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE514041F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 05:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F2B403A0 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 05:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 11:32:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 11:32:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 11:32:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 58468 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2013 11:32:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368531123; bh=cxngoJ4li6TPXJZTgA5YD/hXMW4Jmli/LxahmuT7y40=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s9r8k57E0JhNsSlpbkMXJxxWM6hSC5KDHL8rpCvpE8OfhI4ww039jA1m7LbwgphNFPnf/B6wQpFpTd4QHC4as8LHsBU9FXuyse/f1sM0NRTIXTbn45d9HhygWgKmi4CTNWQtukrnsfbKAgTg/mY3H0qv5FbpGY+mkg2kLTd4V1s= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Se3dtJIPMJckIytmGhpzHKhmxJd7qnp0YX5ArjDliqfFL0aKnsZ2Z3faTj/C+rHOGE7DSGzJUaJt/YpimfscGxv6ESox3Eqr8e96S3StsNL7rh7o4G+Cg4jGlVVZVsm3Nx+6mSnms0jW29zxOHyioudXYeCVm2YZOHrZ19AcjM4=; DaCvP4NGtu5k9CZU3IAuyrvsx3qkXRtsbkVgTKQOoZXZQ5nT88CQbxnA66Ot Um7cC2TIFe8WG6vO5RSoAqXcNVMw_F.SxrjlPeAtKBy5isNYBW_DRcfCoa2v eYX2NYzdtak82Dzl1KKjeDzHMeqwY5O3n6TMc8qCBezO5QkSCiPlvgj07kO8 MkRhT6GFsH3JIwF6Jn0tdFM5lrvHgrh3PpeCcXmJjxtQ5QF8WZPYc2J5kV5B DpQYQhQ3GIrqOegxzFHBP9Tl7rMUcPBb4ZQ_i2BdyLEj3q50aI8ymavunFeG V9hBqFwasnu0PcDC_61vrRfzi4TQeMmLnBEzo_fTu3bJcNAuVIyeGvd7Wo_M 1Pn68jDsLqrE5z4aH_2MGa7Cg5vdFrz.eBAkNwBv2rktFYz2XITW5OMbSGA. cRfeeBQoYlGAkJYdMMT6yuukRmQTqlqEGBEN.O2xEbtfHt2qcUk1ZvAnqk_c sX9AEcCbyQ_7OHP2.Adl72teD5kVFSSEhkCitbdHlMuQRtyK_GqRo32J4Y38 yR2vrg1o7REpwaU0vjKIf_oisP4kwh58WMXkjZiuoW67FcfAFNzVkQhC7y6M soL..AOye3rfArUMQijx_1gXzGANOGyMjyPsiqHnRhjIArOautom1oxuW_Yk Us0zIxw-- Received: from [74.190.146.148] by web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:02 PDT T25lIHRoaW5nIEkgaGF2ZSBub3Qgc2VlbiBtZW50aW9uZWQgaXMgdGhlIHJlYXNvbiBmb3IgYSAiZ2VhciIgb2lsLiBJdCBoYXMgZGlmZmVyZW50IGFkZGl0aXZlcyB0aGF0IHN0b3AgdGhlIGV4dHJlbWVseSB0aWdodCBtZXNoaW5nIG9mIHRoZSBnZWFycyBmcm9tIHNoZWFyaW5nIHRoZSBvaWwgbW9sZWN1bGVzIGFwYXJ0LiBNb3RvciBvaWwgZG9lcyBub3QuIEkgbGVhcm5lZCB0aGlzIGZyb20gYSBDYXN0cm9sIGNoZW1pc3QvcmVwIHdheSBiYWNrIGluIHRoZSBsYXRlIDcwcy4gR2VhciBvaWwgYWxzbyBoYXMBMAEBAQE- References: <51916D43.1090209@pobox.com> <8C.C7.06694.A5771915@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 04:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: barry rosenberg To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley , Steve Yott Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One thing I have not seen mentioned is the reason for a "gear" oil. It has different additives that stop the extremely tight meshing of the gears from shearing the oil molecules apart. Motor oil does not. I learned this from a Castrol chemist/rep way back in the late 70s. Gear oil also has anti-foaming additives. On every street trans I build, overdrive or not, gets gear oil. ________________________________ From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Steve Yott Cc: Friends Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif Steve built my racing j type and the shifting is great both in and out. Has mtl oil. On May 13, 2013 4:31 PM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > Staylube GL4 and many of the other 90 weight gear oils work just fine in > our > gearboxes. The one main reason that I always recommend Redline MT90 is > that > in testing of oils this particular product and also their MTL product > produced far less foaming. I use a plexi cover on the gearbox during > break-in and testing of all the gearbox rebuilds that I perform. Some of > the oil products produced scary amounts of foam when warmed up and running > at full speed. Keep in mind that 90 gear oil is the same viscosity as 30 > weight engine oil hence the recommendation over time of using engine oil. > At the cost of rebuilding a gearbox as with an engine I feel that the costs > of the best quality oils are the best value. > > As far as replacing overdrive cone clutches I replace most but not all > clutches during rebuilds. I find on many clutch surfaces that they have > been burned and glazed from either poor quality or dirty oil and also from > not having enough engagement pressure to work with the amount of torque > being produced by the engine. Most of these clutches are over 40 years old > and are not that expensive to replace. For race style overdrives I use > clutches with thicker linings and machine these in thickness to the > particular overdrive to ensure total disengagement but also keep them very > close so that a minimum amount of movement is required for engagement. > This > results in the fastest possible engagement, critical to speed! > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:46 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] trans fluif > > I agree. I don't use anything exotic, just use Staylube GL4. It's > available locally and avoids the "yellow metal scare" associated with GL5. > > I believe Quantum usually replaces the brake linings. I don't normally > find > that necessary and have not seen a spec for when it should be done. I am > aware of a couple of quantum rebuilds that did not want to release from > overdrive unless you smacked the housing with a hammer. > Redline oil seems to help until they get broken in. Ed Barnard is the guy > with the experience on this. Maybe he will weigh in. > Larry > > On 5/13/2013 11:07 AM, Randall wrote: > >> See the second article, from June 2005. > >> > >> http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm > > Then consider how absurd it is to claim that Triumph delivered cars > > with oil that would damage them instantly. 90 weight GL4 was the > > factory fill from about 1960 to the end of the TR6 run. > > > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britcars@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 07:53:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144F4403F3 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 07:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s4.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s4.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9A640359 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 07:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W96 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 06:50:56 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:50:56 -0400 FILETIME=[0F26DA70:01CE50AA] Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Rear Main Cap Side Seals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The consensus is that I should not use the trim to fit cork strip that came with my Payen gasket set but should use the pound in place felt rope type product for the sides of the rear main cap on a TR3/4 block. I have contacted Ted, TRF, Moss, BPNW. None of them have it. Since this appears to be what all you folks use on your builds, where the heck can I get my hands on the stuff? Finally finished up the Spitfire build and moved over to the TR4 and have hit the brakes. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 09:06:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66EA40439 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:06:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3023403F9 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130514150331711; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:03:31 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 531545407; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:03:14 -0500 From: To: , , , "fubog1" References: <1368278394.90603.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D01C62D332BE00-12D0-5C8F@webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 10:03:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Lots of diverse responses. I am still pretty fuzzy on the theory end. Ring flutter? Does this really happen? How does the wider 2nd ring gap prevent it? What is the downside of trapping pressure between the rings if this really happen; I cannot see there being much pressure trapped there if the top ring is working. I checked some new in the box rings from two different manufacturers and there was no mention of special gap for ring 2. art de armond From: fubog1 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: j.wags63@yahoo.com ; tony@tonydrews.com ; riverside@southslope.net ; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Total Seal now specifies this as well. It was explained to me that it was to prevent trapping pressure between top and second ring. Agree, go with manufacturers recommendations. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: Tony Drews ; riverside ; FOT Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Wiseco says: The gap on the second ring should always be larger than the top ring end gap, this will help to reduce top ring flutter or lifting. That's right off they're installation "pink" sheet. Maybe some piston manufacture think different. I would go my what your piston manufacture says. ----- Original Message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6314 - Release Date: 05/10/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 09:59:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74A040430 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0312403F9 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W131 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 May 2013 08:55:46 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:55:45 -0400 FILETIME=[7F151E80:01CE50BB] Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 main cap seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Problem now solved. Thanks folks. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 10:30:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C83F4043B for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA30403F9 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130514162604659; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:26:04 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 531614906; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:25:27 -0500 From: To: , , , "fubog1" References: <1368278394.90603.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D01C62D332BE00-12D0-5C8F@webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:25:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kind of related, do any of you use shims to fill some of the space behind the top ring ? art de armond From: fubog1 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: j.wags63@yahoo.com ; tony@tonydrews.com ; riverside@southslope.net ; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Total Seal now specifies this as well. It was explained to me that it was to prevent trapping pressure between top and second ring. Agree, go with manufacturers recommendations. Glen -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: Tony Drews ; riverside ; FOT Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 9:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Wiseco says: The gap on the second ring should always be larger than the top ring end gap, this will help to reduce top ring flutter or lifting. That's right off they're installation "pink" sheet. Maybe some piston manufacture think different. I would go my what your piston manufacture says. ----- Original Message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6314 - Release Date: 05/10/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:48:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7D140442 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB5740400 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130513194428.OKMT29932.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:44:28 -0400 Received: from Vista ([68.110.89.224]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id bXkT1l00X4qRjhw01XkUmi; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:44:28 -0400 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZqbXdVit3J8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WMimlZgUAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=iRQ_8_u-AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hRXMmZxa_JYNbaGNE_4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=p0idVmGAdl8A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=L1_PV_DVcX8A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=+gsTCRNi9hDmPqRdVMnvhA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , , , References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:44:32 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5QEMSx4Qq/vjHZQlObjS9p/vGZcAAASuDw Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net How does a company with such a bad reputation continue to remain in business? Now that there is an internet where such experiences are easily shared, I suspect that they will finally close their doors. I learned a long time ago that the only thing of value that any seller of merchandise has is his reputation. Lose that and you will not be allowed to remain in business. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside@southslope.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:42 AM To: BillDentin@aol.com; tylerpthompson@yahoo.com; bownes@seiri.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines In 1969 I bought some Tractor Motor intake valves from PAECO that were total crap. So, yes, this goes back a LOOOONG way. art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:50:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B737740544 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE5340404 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:33:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.226.187.45] (208.sub-174-237-36.myvzw.com [174.237.36.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4EKUYFt018620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 14 May 2013 16:30:38 -0400 References: <1368278394.90603.YahooMailNeo@web162501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D01C62D332BE00-12D0-5C8F@webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com> <8BBB30B61D25472ABEFFD0481D263A2A@rileyPC> From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:30:33 -0400 To: "" a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=jQ7UnOAnFb5U1B26w65tqg==:17 a=WMimlZgUAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=uSNg7_x7lXhwuimGfwIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=p0idVmGAdl8A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=jQ7UnOAnFb5U1B26w65tqg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "" , fubog1 Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've heard some drill very small holes in the top ring grove to apply pressure against the cyl wall. Anyone heard of this? Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, wrote: > Kind of related, do any of you use shims to fill some of > the space behind the top ring ? > > art de armond > > From: fubog1 > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:30 AM > To: j.wags63@yahoo.com ; tony@tonydrews.com ; riverside@southslope.net ; > fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question > > Total Seal now specifies this as well. It was explained to me that it was to > prevent trapping pressure between top and second ring. > Agree, go with manufacturers recommendations. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wagner > To: Tony Drews ; riverside ; FOT > > Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 9:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question > > > > > > > Wiseco says: The gap on the second ring should always be larger than the > top ring end gap, this will help to reduce top ring > flutter or lifting. > That's right off they're installation "pink" sheet. Maybe some piston > manufacture think different. I would go my what > your piston manufacture says. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6314 - Release Date: 05/10/13 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:51:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E20C40537 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com (mail-pd0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926EC4032A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t10so972129pdi.39 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:33:43 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X4Foy9cZ7cW4CVFpTLUMy3QWcgR7HNCtHdJwLYotSik=; b=jaQUn0kXyNjqcKnyGQo4eqilYSDP+Fjs2wT+ao0+bjxrMJqeupTshVSZEyc4DyzPqq 6Go6m7s1PfjcW2NFIrdO0hClmEtOv/Rf7sqQ+Wc+kptNkqKCMaqUSgPm6nYoAS0siWSQ pQdpHNCWwY6B9CJZf0U5/kWgMB4r9GBakHR4jWQyovBl3QstzqQWHtJbJFtmPj5nxL3v yNoLZeqzpTXSNWN6HGYD0uX8qUcIzzx93Hh/vtkB160EPX14u9OZX/4J1Eu3/rOFwM6+ cR5clpr+G6j8ehOTT+M4KUBxuaWoNhf4eoyOqJNeQ4hwl9DizCDXA+CgJqDWCz+y3cHN JiTw== lr1mr36932607pab.147.1368588823018; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (c-24-22-75-60.hsd1.or.comcast.net. [24.22.75.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cc15sm1446706pac.1.2013.05.14.20.33.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 20:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:33:41 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: FOT , norlin.patty@gmail.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'd like to nominate my wife, Patty as a member of FOT - She drives the Spit as well as I do, maybe better and is sensitive to it's needs. Do I hear a second? Her e-mail is norlin.patty@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:55:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2340533 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f42.google.com (mail-da0-f42.google.com [209.85.210.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDE340321 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 21:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f42.google.com with SMTP id r6so706659dad.1 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:43:43 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=6pkuRgUFPLMrPHLb1bJFhibxLIkRTQrzzFESy7Uzy+M=; b=tFYWvKm/9+KHf74/icrOXAo9uYux8KxJIu/hnI3E9e/xza7U3whO8uo7vf/fwxGNod ksuuK0R1Zn6onIILKmFASctuUk/bKqPloggMXKmh626QEoYc4jOshWjQuFTW9+ZdLAc1 griNIiqfIwMadf6F5fkao69TZTuw4JL1eO3TU6pu8KBVLF1v81YXhQcIlexEIs4vhZvO No1qOqqIPlrMG4XR1ykZgQZ59vSywpc9nn067GGe71tePFFrVQrEkpb05P0OeXggXp1q BIomI3y6NqDdeXY4ra/gnB5KugjCX1HqYfhMW9843DpfzYrtW8Mo1dPstzbdTWxlajAr PwBA== or5mr22633515pbc.152.1368589423111; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (c-24-22-75-60.hsd1.or.comcast.net. [24.22.75.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qh4sm1452997pac.8.2013.05.14.20.43.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 20:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:43:41 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] A lap of PIR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A while back, I think I mentioned that I was writing articles for our local Triumph Club newsletter. Last month, I wrote a brief history of Portland International Raceway. This month, the column is a narrated description of a hot lap of the track in our Spitfire. It includes a link to a short Youtube Video as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbYlUFEwlsM Disclaimer:The racing line that I describe may be different that the one you should use depending upon your car and the way it is prepared.For example, our Spitfire's suspension is much stiffer and lower than stock but even so we have a tendency to lift the inner /rear/ tire during hard cornering.To prevent that tire from spinning, we run a welded, solid differential, which makes the car tend to understeer unless driven very hard.An MG Midget or AH Sprite on the other hand, tends to lift the inner /front/ wheel during hard cornering.The racing line that we take through turns 4 to 7 compared with the Spridgets is significantly different. Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:56:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FA440545 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A4F40397 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:49:07 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Jim Norlin' , FOT , "norlin.patty@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Fot] Nomination Thread-Index: AQHOUa2VqmacpsySrUuynEmLAUmnRZkGt+Bg Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:49:06 +0000 References: <51930215.6050500@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second! Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:34 PM To: FOT; norlin.patty@gmail.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination I'd like to nominate my wife, Patty as a member of FOT - She drives the Spit as well as I do, maybe better and is sensitive to it's needs. Do I hear a second? Her e-mail is norlin.patty@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 15:44:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB7040512 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4404340324 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cBrF1l0060x6nqcA1MhvTp; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:41:55 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cMfu1l00X2xZMJ48YMfujY; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:39:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 21:39:54 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: John Hasty (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1368654115; bh=MpcEwimAnZZRTLpPz8RMHeLLV5LBYAEbwoOgsNgnmrU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pZQUSRBsAm8CUpYRExETvj6CM1dQ7lyAJ8fbAsoULjZyMdKKHzrEa8kkI+sj/3K9c qKUov8kYM2+NY+6w5nVgKjGOBN5x8OW9JSGHDFSQQEVzIVKpYMGeeAl9D6Lc22IOwq 1I7DgUZMCPXFH7NfqEms1UrPeYUA/Jj6ua8JNSzmi37YOlw4F+Z+PRN2afN6a2NKmN HXaRN72a7HRUo/SV6Q66V5z68Nvb+4GZQKSZ/0htYPtP0ftr32RouZ3e993BacGYV2 9QcTskxfbpi5Q5wrmFQkdaOmkwCM1iX7jm9OlJggctoYjxXD6LHBtB95eZVcqZ5CNS c0aYwEFdRk+Ug== Cc: fot , fubog1 Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, That's gas porting, mine have them. The drag racers have the gas ports drilled from the top. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "" Cc: "" , "fubog1" Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:30:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question I've heard some drill very small holes in the top ring grove to apply pressure against the cyl wall. Anyone heard of this? Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 12:25 PM, wrote: > Kind of related, B do any of you use shims to fill some of > the space behind the top ring ? > > art de armond > > From: fubog1 > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:30 AM > To: j.wags63@yahoo.com ; tony@tonydrews.com ; riverside@southslope.net ; > fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question > > Total Seal now specifies this as well. It was explained to me that it was to > prevent trapping pressure between top and second ring. > Agree, go with manufacturers recommendations. > Glen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wagner > To: Tony Drews ; riverside ; FOT > > Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 9:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] piston ring question > > > > > > > B B Wiseco says: The gap on the second ring should always be larger than the > top ring end gap, this will help to reduce top ring > flutter or lifting. > That's right off they're installation "pink" sheet. B Maybe some piston > manufacture think different. I would go my what > your piston manufacture says. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6314 - Release Date: 05/10/13 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 20:47:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C956D4044C for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC9A74006D for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 20:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 02:44:05 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.198] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 02:44:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 02:44:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368672245; bh=tHvBVi6tjJGfUqUT1A7iKAqZ/KzTchIaAyhWh9V3UXw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:User-Agent:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:To:Message-ID; b=znW9mzeGrJYi0/y7W+r9EWAc/mtLabhBsM6QugUc0YC3hcMAhF7ADwSs8CYe2P6TZTZCWBNHaEjgEkoAimZLSjmvuv9mhXLvHpT/kP2xX49uB5sXnLyCFlnebUtWScY2eNbXL/IoTyMcDpXrmaUvqBR9tFon4wlhlAw/wKgSp+I= wKyZWT1U6QqoawmLRZRR6IzqwSM3nKJYj_G_7Z5uvXWRHcIWLoYvTS8R3Gt5 TW8S.dO84QrAy_6gfCYlvr7Rrq19wSnOCER1QWGLS4JnRlUKEWuOJsOIolro w_3Ovz1Hp0_oxybChjQNwgPYY.pfAjKzxpJwdjW4aHhuCkWeahchB2CLAVsP BrFrJLItXqrqWMZg.MhVAgRHdcNObsUtVWZaVBdBhtl8eptiylyJ1q6FHdiy GttNMvIL_k_yoym7iRT_l099yM7GnbR2y3I6ar7rvRpUlC_xlx4E2eSQfXgi V_SoQRPHl8t8wbOfKUZpoFQnz6.jLZcmBEXu1z10yT99VVpVaS.PoWcr0la9 Q4lZ9hqJ33iLdvmaIEv6.c43eMke9QCo3EEcQwKcEG6SwcECtkUFGz5rwiPH WGUDoyQ7MNEjJADmjpi01agjqvDAL7ngzLzh9OkyqWZ5sLk0XI0jZj.yQdZA 2yAQUzJlB8xZJSA7D_.zMGwFVdSB.KVE- by smtp209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2013 19:44:05 -0700 PDT References: <51930215.6050500@gmail.com> User-Agent: Email for Android From: Mike Mehl Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:44:02 -0700 To: Jim Norlin ,FOT ,norlin.patty@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net She is faster than me. I second it. The Norlin's are great Triumph ambassadors. Mike Mehl Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Jim Norlin Sent: Tue May 14 20:33:41 PDT 2013 To: FOT , norlin.patty@gmail.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination I'd like to nominate my wife, Patty as a member of FOT - She drives the Spit as well as I do, maybe better and is sensitive to it's needs. Do I hear a second? Her e-mail is norlin.patty@gmail.com _____________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 10:29:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2FA40522 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 10:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE4E40436 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 10:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cdC01l0051afHeLABgRwSA; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:25:56 +0000 Received: from sz0138.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cgRv1l00Y2yr1eL8dgRvrS; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:25:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:25:55 +0000 (UTC) From: haretoday@comcast.net To: Mike Mehl s=q20121106; t=1368721556; bh=ppXQKvY6/gIvLppYWswjmHDjoFhZa8KfyO3HOpyaaIw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=AE4r8QJekjd8uSksd8WEgR7zEGn7ltICNQerdGvqAKJ8JL6iz591JvELmDTHcRRRM mqbEUG8AQR7aD4Nd/uPASav0zEhiRQ6LwMQfJVtPfmp4rGf3OyUJk5YBVKzxrX7vJF T0VBQGBm2ZuO+Q6jM1T5mXSah1E534rDPqtaCJlfxV7NvBoW0whWoEda1niJ+O/WAm YMGR9R+0TSxbgWM6ysOviqN3eTRVC8YLgRVD9zoCpgbToHmpfcBc/zUKx2Df5MvxhZ QN7KK+MiZZmSPwi7BbelBHkvXip7B2IiK3RoR+yLBRYL4lAxe1XtkEnjDmNDRzln1L j+OmrQpeMzZ/Q== Cc: FOT , Jim Norlin Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, Yes....a great person--on the track and in the paddock! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Jim Norlin" , "FOT" , "norlin patty" Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination She is faster than me. I second it. The Norlin's are great Triumph ambassadors. Mike Mehl Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Jim Norlin Sent: Tue May 14 20:33:41 PDT 2013 To: FOT , norlin.patty@gmail.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination I'd like to nominate my wife, Patty as a member of FOT - She drives the Spit as well as I do, maybe better and is sensitive to it's needs. Do I hear a second? Her e-mail is norlin.patty@gmail.com _____________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 12:17:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BC040523 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 12:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2412E40421 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cThh1l0020S2fkCAETiT6c; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:27 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cTiT1l00R2xZMJ48VTiTEd; Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 03:42:27 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Joe Curry s=q20121106; t=1368675748; bh=6iVRId2gJdAhr7SQcnp1C5hQAeXPPsuxW7V1ZEf5ac0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=M9lRdANYC5Q0i7Fl8tv5ZmLVBUDspPiPFaJfmCYynxdfSczCzbOPTGtFUymogoeLw JlDjDS6Nqy4Hp3QWH3BHiyM83wMCqeiWaBMQvUlhnfoLKfFX2NDt8X4HDC9fH+vpv8 2WnIYov+fG1MDNVzsUOfWkea+YLJ8oK24V/8BQCjUZRVyhfTS5jpPCzG03hMa6XgiD bklJTqdZPQlEWADXZ+I4x1CpxS1KWA+vMveukgG4xezQiQsc37oixdQjb9PAzr0RVK 647GOCOn6Pd7gWPswA0MRrvI4XGWNsbBf2WgtMvmboFTVxvqIHNqLZdSxUn9l5sVrD hHoF0C56C6Srw== Cc: bownes@seiri.com, ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps there is a trust fund or some other situation to help keep it afloat and it gives the kid something to do, even when they aren't kids anymore. I know of a couple of these type of arrangements bad reputation and all. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: riverside@southslope.net, BillDentin@aol.com, tylerpthompson@yahoo.com, bownes@seiri.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:44:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines How does a company with such a bad reputation continue to remain in business? Now that there is an internet where such experiences are easily shared, I suspect that they will finally close their doors. I learned a long time ago that the only thing of value that any seller of merchandise has is his reputation. Lose that and you will not be allowed to remain in business. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside@southslope.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:42 AM To: BillDentin@aol.com; tylerpthompson@yahoo.com; bownes@seiri.com Cc: ponobill@gmail.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO engines In 1969 I bought some Tractor Motor intake valves from PAECO that were total crap. So, yes, this goes back a LOOOONG way. art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 16:50:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181AA40453 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104EC403CF for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 22:47:30 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 22:47:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2013 22:47:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 77726 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2013 22:47:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368744450; bh=3YskqiDaiyrq7+umb3F0ELZfcVE92gKDlkE1LoT6CIA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ccI3DjSUjTLtHNweA2qOqwJ7kLa0A4H6oCN3XW0Mtn9q5YbeO6twimhkzO3m/oXrBu7oLbsh+/C2KLo24s6Fd1/ajgmg7IcgPh6zcDwLfkEO0TUqc8NeVKGOU8hQZqfTE0kXoJdyDH+9i4CGttLkyivAeNqO/G5b0lmicT+YFM4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tA1NAwSMgX17UQiDaegSKoe4XUsvO2E7c9abLhk2fK6sIHNLUDErfRdQsudW0QFe95xDTE6I4NcWLlHT54OpKWd2rKfhFX+JsFb+Pjk31yGDHVH/xVOZ659Y0DC5mV1zKTR1Lb3vrNfHOcu9AvpN89kNqu9NEjkP1pDUzBWFQRo=; 5RU3XKR6slViMVWDC5k65EO.eQAOao9Odv3vV3jLa8z37.VMt7IbwRhdiFiH sQak35lwCZqkSag_yyOn_d.sFg5_7AjHVZM_18g7PxlZgk8Y.R3qLHbMhCk2 Uyf6eviFiQzyJmWrNn.zVuIhuVQIDiDNFcWpbRcRa2bwmk2gzyb3P0QrRYGW WRJPE4Y5ry.lj1z7SAO_L30hf7YUe9TS4dCa02fvoHXXcAPdsTfDDEhvfc5Z QJ7lK6Do25xA8LFVtELGyyJU6iC3Km5h02V_9AUXOyvByMki581_i0PB.cBm qoDk.y8o5bTruuCetmc9c5WqK7SHNJDU8n3FhGWXT5io2TBz43gl1u_DvKyP 6B0ATfjTZFlaYegQz65rR.mD89U8C9yUlkJDiX2Py93JWmGArz_f.Iwofjmy ByXAi4OvnKu1fcYB.5llsDPr4Na3RrHGg_QiTbLdBudJMeN05k0USUBzzlCN CZd0OOcUDRhf1YDb1cShnMUWOctgqQuEr3rP9UGad3ydbaEZVDHQ2zrmY6Aq _pWH7hG4VEzRgQc49GPsO1AtiQZWTsMYwq6G82OfhotFKlaVyLDdyabcsF60 pm2VaamXArarVY5h5kwB2XZ3WKTlIJLbtrPlokjdvDWSvNQFCqAMjIyDpHiJ e230hxAAq9wMuFgLalCD9 Received: from [66.192.188.2] by web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:47:30 PDT aHR0cDovL3Nwb3J0cy55YWhvby5jb20vYmxvZ3MvbmFzY2FyLWZyb20tdGhlLW1hcmJsZXMvZGljay10cmlja2xlLWZvcm1lci1uYXNjYXItZHJpdmVyLWRlYWQtc2VsZi1pbmZsaWN0ZWQtMjAyODQ0MDc3Lmh0bWwKwqAKSSBhbSBzdXJlIHNvbWUgb2YgeW91IGhhdmUgc2VlbiB0aGlzLsKgIEl0IGlzIHZlcnkgc2FkLsKgIERpY2sgd2FzIGEgZ3JlYXQgZ3V5IGFuZCBhbiBpbmNyZWRpYmxlIGRyaXZlci7CoCBUaGUgb2xkZXN0IE5BU0NBUiBDdXAgcm9va2llIGluIGhpc3RvcnkuwqAgSSBtZXQgRGljayBhdCABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of , "mdmehl@gmail.com" Subject: [Fot] Dick Trickle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/dick-trickle-former-nas car-driver-dead-self-inflicted-202844077.html I am sure some of you have seen this. It is very sad. Dick was a great guy and an incredible driver. The oldest NASCAR Cup rookie in history. I met Dick at the Daytona 500 back when low budget teams raced their way into the 500. He was all about fans. He would race at New Smyrna speedway in his own stockcar each night during speedweeks and then hustle a ride at the 500. I spent a very entertaining evening with him at New Smyrna getting his take on life and racing. He said if you had to run a 500 lap race you need 5 hours sleep, 400, 4 hours and if you had to run a 100 lap race you didn't need to sleep at all. You could party all night with the fans. Gotta love the smoking during a yellow flag video in the link. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 19:18:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EA54044E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6CE40406 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:17:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA3CD700043B2; Thu, 16 May 2013 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.201]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 95B47E000082; Thu, 16 May 2013 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) References: <1368744450.77503.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: mike.mehl@yahoo.com, fot@autox.team.net, mdmehl@gmail.com From: billdentin@aol.com Received: from 74.62.81.170 by webmail-d225.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 16 May 2013 21:14:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368753284; bh=t2V5UbO/A0qoGmb1n3jgQDXVk0hWNlc+akE6yN43IVc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ocNgmXRVYnm0v1DmLfNdesahp4pLxGCX4AvoGF0ClH7YUq2ImCOh/yAugQLBr4RZG 2fVvcV5IxYTV+7emi9VJ1rsInmB+nrgqPgJuElkvpyT5kkUlItGxkTYGPvrbtMEqNV Oe5UqZAqXue9no3scCBOr11hfXwZMa5MFjMYeyX4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a519584840068 Subject: Re: [Fot] Dick Trickle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net He's a BADGER. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of ; mdmehl Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 5:47 pm Subject: [Fot] Dick Trickle http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/dick-trickle-former-nas car-driver-dead-self-inflicted-202844077.html I am sure some of you have seen this. It is very sad. Dick was a great guy and an incredible driver. The oldest NASCAR Cup rookie in history. I met Dick at the Daytona 500 back when low budget teams raced their way into the 500. He was all about fans. He would race at New Smyrna speedway in his own stockcar each night during speedweeks and then hustle a ride at the 500. I spent a very entertaining evening with him at New Smyrna getting his take on life and racing. He said if you had to run a 500 lap race you need 5 hours sleep, 400, 4 hours and if you had to run a 100 lap race you didn't need to sleep at all. You could party all night with the fans. Gotta love the smoking during a yellow flag video in the link. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 21:59:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A0E4052E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 21:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FAA4044E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 21:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130517035552.KDWO10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10>; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:55:52 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id crvs1l00S0zbdDt05rvs2v; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:55:52 -0400 a=1pOwa8b6cSmEz8ILrAHUHA==:17 a=pMKzOs1iszUA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=dF8mbVH6kskA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=Y9bCXiGVIpjPBAy23s4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1pOwa8b6cSmEz8ILrAHUHA==:117 Received: from [68.112.207.159] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:55:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:55:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Senty To: Mike Mehl User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Triumph Friends of , mdmehl@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Dick Trickle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago, after he finished a race near Madison, a friend and I had the pleasure of tipping a few cold ones with Dick. He was a lot of fun. Loved talking to his fans. Jeff Senty On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > > http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/dick-trickle-former-nas > car-driver-dead-self-inflicted-202844077.html > I am sure some of you have > seen this. It is very sad. Dick was a great guy and an incredible > driver. The oldest NASCAR Cup rookie in history. I met Dick at the > Daytona 500 back > when low budget teams raced their way into the 500. He was all about > fans. He would race at New Smyrna speedway in his own stockcar each > night during > speedweeks and then hustle a ride at the 500. I spent a very > entertaining > evening with him at New Smyrna getting his take on life and racing. > He said > if you had to run a 500 lap race you need 5 hours sleep, 400, 4 hours > and if > you had to run a 100 lap race you didn't need to sleep at all. You > could party > all night with the fans. Gotta love the smoking during a yellow flag > video in > the link. > Mike Mehl #46 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 01:39:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7905B40447 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 01:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f47.google.com (mail-bk0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F85640447 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 01:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f47.google.com with SMTP id jg9so2134386bkc.20 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:36:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=5pGv5qq5pHgI5a99p9U32RQNZW8zogaqVbcsUVQes30=; b=VTxOZHdVFKo/V7SAWtlJ+JSZ1sCsSuI6LAkdieD/Y89oUMnPIR/o5vybmcCWTg6WCq QmdHMXZYC+6c6jQ5RG39IWrr+r7j5CSE0AuP9FSOa5+tQ58h/n/3LZArfkq1//uVzQ/3 ZvpClceJD4j2QSDp0ZVSxGF5KVVwJvuj2UmjZ1c87KJEfzwAmHXd4T+/HH6XYklyblqP ibSKvdzbtyjDJpMprfMkQuMZddmp/xNbeWN6gvRltv9KC0Vp4ZZYa1BD4VtnAn1aklZw 60/ZYFVI3DuJRY1LsgSD3KvgBVoDaTT6FDAOq59MAE0EBmJwGowfx+bJlObZ6nMqwLZx zVaA== fz16mr13249636bkc.1.1368776192974; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([46.78.193.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j8sm2758026bky.17.2013.05.17.00.36.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2013 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" , References: <1368744450.77503.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:36:15 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5Sh2nVohFv6LGxSvCecvjGChat3wASb4xQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Dick Trickle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I only heard of Cole Trickle -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Mehl Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Mai 2013 00:47 An: Triumph Friends of; mdmehl@gmail.com Betreff: [Fot] Dick Trickle http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/dick-trickle-former-na s car-driver-dead-self-inflicted-202844077.html I am sure some of you have seen this. It is very sad. Dick was a great guy and an incredible driver. The oldest NASCAR Cup rookie in history. I met Dick at the Daytona 500 back when low budget teams raced their way into the 500. He was all about fans. He would race at New Smyrna speedway in his own stockcar each night during speedweeks and then hustle a ride at the 500. I spent a very entertaining evening with him at New Smyrna getting his take on life and racing. He said if you had to run a 500 lap race you need 5 hours sleep, 400, 4 hours and if you had to run a 100 lap race you didn't need to sleep at all. You could party all night with the fans. Gotta love the smoking during a yellow flag video in the link. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 16:57:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE02742715 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 16:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087CE403FE for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 16:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SohlPC (ool-182f92b3.dyn.optonline.net [24.47.146.179]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0MN200FQ0I9MTOE0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FOT@autox.team.net; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 18:53:43 -0400 From: Bill Sohl To: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca>, 'Mike Jankowski' , 'robert bownes' Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive - 1988 One-Lap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Back in 1988, Charles Runyan and I co-drove the TRF TR-250 a total of 8300 miles...over an 8 day time frame. Except for one hotel stay about the 4th night, we literally were almost 100% on the road. We finished 15th out of 54 entrants. Cheers, Bill Sohl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don TR" <58tr3a@videotron.ca> > To: "'Mike Jankowski'" ; "'robert bownes'" > > Cc: "'FOT'" > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Longest Drive > > >> As for the longest drive in my 1958 TR3A which I bought brand new in May, >> 1958, I drove a total of 7300 "touring" miles from Montreal to VTR in >> Portland Oregon in 2000 and then back home. >> >> Back about 1960 to 1963, I rallied my TR3A extensively and it was nothing >> unusual to have a 500 or 600 mile rally. Most was navigational, but >> during >> the night sections, we had some spirited speeds to try to meet - not to >> be >> late at the next control. >> >> Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A >> Montreal, Canada >> >> PS - I have driven "TRusty" over 110,000 miles since I did the full >> restoration from 1987 to 1990. In 2007, VTR gave me 384 points out of >> 400 >> in the judged concourse after having driven 94,000 miles since it was >> restored. >> --------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 07:48:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6D9427A0 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B5E42773 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C117E7003478E for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id BDB13E000157 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) References: <2F3096C0-79EC-4F4E-889C-0D0295A3EC60@cs.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:44:41 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369057482; bh=JFv7w6UkNRVppct6K4afbMP7500X2wyQ0gKAOVhGWLk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=fiTjHdjMmO2TTHmDVHq1THwkp3VMt2Rb1JdDNuem+doEj5+hFMnFvhLUaw2iX3LUM pzKkDwn0hjALND/3D5+DQmJDXGv9LFGt7R4OhTxUwD80fyZjqYKMLgiK4O+XWzfWzS EUz5uwL8Yc3zcyDRRs26Ku+so0iNe32E7xph1y7g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903519a28c9629d Subject: [Fot] : KASTNER CUP 2013 IN SEPTEMBER. Osthoff Resevations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > FOT > > We have exceeded our contracted rooms, but they continue accept Reservation from us. > > Meeting with Angela on Friday says that there are 30 rooms left that are allocated to Groups. > > I am not going to contract for additional rooms and suites, so govern yourself accordingly. > > This the the perfect place to be and the suites are very cost effective with our discount and when costs are shared. > > This is where it all happens when you are not at the track. Banquet, old course reenactment, Gather on the Green. > > See Angela's note below. > > Regards. > Joe A > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Angela Koran >> Date: May 17, 2013, 3:19:40 PM CDT >> To: 'Joe Alexander' >> Subject: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 IN SEPTEMBER >> >> Good Afternoon Joe, >> >> It was nice seeing you again this morning. Joe, I wanted to let you know I got a call from my Rooms Director this morning. Leisure reservations are starting to increase over that race weekend. We are only allowed so many group rooms to sell verses leisure rooms each night. So as of now we are down to 30 group rooms per night over the dates you are here. It would really be advantageous to add rooms to your block if you know they will be needed. Let me know what you find out from the other club ASAP and I can create an addendum for those rooms. As rooms continue to sell on the leisure side and other sales managers sell group rooms, the inventory will continue to dwindle and additional rooms will not be available at the contracted rate if an addendum is not created. I just wanted to give you a heads up so you are educated and can make a decision from there. Please let me know if you have questions Joe. Thank you for your time and have a great weekend! >> >> Angela Koran >> Sales Manager >> 101 Osthoff Avenue >> Elkhart Lake, WI 53020 >> 920.876.5815 direct >> 920.876.2249 fax >> akoran@osthoff.com >> www.osthoffmeetings.com >> Voted "2012 Best Wisconsin Lakeshore Resort" by Wisconsin Meetings Magazine. >> >> >> >> ----- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 08:12:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72762427A0 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90274275D for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4KE867i025277 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 10:08:16 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'FOT List'" Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 10:08:05 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5VY3IHkSFFxQK8RSGpnIQK26qtzA== a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=fP5pptaDEoHmPRzcVGIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] SP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net How did it go at Summit Point this past weekend? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 12:23:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC10542855 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 12:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006834283A for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 12:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4EBA4C092 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eThTi8iNGZka for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 511D2A4C08B for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "'FOT List'" References: <56BFEC29B1AB46D998D0C373832CD462@gdhs.local> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:20:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] SP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Awesome weekend at Summit Point for Triumphs. The track was is great form, the weather cooperated better than most spring race weekends in the mountains of West Virginia. Leo Oddi was at the top Triumph by time I think, and I was again blown away by how fast my car goes without all those expensive billet and forged bottom end bits. The only bad part of the weekend is nobody walked up and bought my car! I guess I have to run it at Mosport next month. Bummer! Also worth noting, the weekend was Mike Moore's first outing in his TR4. He attended the VRG Drivers School, and ran the weekend with a very large run group. Both car and driver did really great. Mark and I watched his feature race on Saturday, Mike had a great run with a bunch of MG's. We stopped by his paddock space after the run to see how big the grin on his face was. Mike's was beaming, and his whole family was there and caught in the moment. I don't know who was more excited! It was very, very cool... Way to go Mike, welcome to the madness! We are glad to have you. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "john hasty" Subject: [Fot] SP > How did it go at Summit Point this past weekend? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 12:32:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D52342870 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 12:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5015A4283A for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 12:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 58A8970055EDD for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id EFF86E000083 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:29:27 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369074568; bh=Xy1jOLCZR0+r1GAlWzQqKwQm1cS0LfcbXPCdtp3jHmM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=wMdrF+uC+xeTUuwrK/A4VpdPJ8nIgbAXZYEEykamEBdc6s0nF33aJ3VyvUmDBKAz4 MsriZY0Tc+j5zh7/nmoMvjV86JqubZeWdXOOXCPdRh9p2PINwQUeZdiImFxx0YYTyi /lFc9002YYpLiremBDreVNFuimy3TemKriJSkBJA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3386519a6b877ceb Subject: [Fot] IPO. INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sean has 10 rear mounts in process with his final design. If you would like to reserve one, please respond. We have an isometric view of the mechanical parts and photos of finished parts. It is a HD version of the existing OEM part, except it utilizes 40 durometer urethane instead of rubber of questionable value. It will be particularly effective in TRs with the added weight of an O.D. unit, but in any case it will be the last rear mount you ever replace. We have used this HD rear mount in TR4 #197 for the past two years. Allow two weeks for delivery. Sean is having the mechanical parts plated, and will start to pour in custom production mold. Intro cost is $50.00. We will use the FOT response to plan for the next production run. Thanks, Joe A _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 20:16:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2104F42CCF for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F7D40401 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eQXE1l0061ei1Bg5ARzayi; Tue, 21 May 2013 01:59:34 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eRza1l0052ymm843kRzaup; Tue, 21 May 2013 01:59:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 01:59:34 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1369101574; bh=RtH0p09y5VkqNwnXEIi2a55vuUQMC8PW9pLWk5myEzY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gHCHke7i/Ub/L7ydRERl8bYSRp94lB3vX8CEd1+XNKnPsyP9JmMNowIlNRemK0kNZ pcG6ESi6hFA52TPBTGFf4aGewD+pyscv+O97Ehkyc3dER3nelizSfXXPhZnXkOPZ7g Rgs8tCd5u88hOBjc8R83CzLA8GbOEAltV4PNnK2A08krdq/gbrG0wZEh+kK/ElsRAS A1hAXtqhY8dUG/f4Y4bM83vMkKX2LS00qV7/6PuRRPn74WU9CiBKkDKogfpx84//bf KhTR2J4todoighNU638xmJQmtOoNLaqTAYwi8jDB6Vv0lUwmLGItutr8AkLtis6/zu wuHasAfujpHgQ== Subject: [Fot] Ian Priestly Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net List, Anyone on the list buy an overdrive from Ian Priestly (New Zealand). He occasionally offer conversion kits on Ebay. Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 08:36:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90BE40445 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E8F4040E for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.219.99.250] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:33:09 -0400 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:30:53 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5WL8yPbkt/V256Tg2rXv1cx6z+Rg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What's the fluid of choice for you guys? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 08:53:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F29F40443 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC8140326 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.98.85] (c-69-249-204-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.204.30]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MN500GSBL79CB40@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 21 May 2013 14:49:59 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-21_04:2013-05-21,2013-05-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305210124 From: Scott Janzen Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:49:57 -0400 References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> To: Mike Moore Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is the one to compare. If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a reason the bottle is gold colored! However, have never boiled the fluid again. On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: What's the fluid of choice for you guys? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 09:14:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62654043E for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536E640425 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.236.140.37] (12.sub-174-237-4.myvzw.com [174.237.4.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4LFBLZh027480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:24 -0400 References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <7E86C8E4-2ACC-49A5-850B-836C2DAE8AAA@me.com> From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:21 -0400 To: Scott Janzen a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=BvehxOzcrTGFEBbwRHn3JA==:17 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=xRFy-oj51M6DqUrnntkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=BvehxOzcrTGFEBbwRHn3JA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We use SRF. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten > different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is the > one to compare. > If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. > In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, > the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a > mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a > reason the bottle is gold colored! > However, have never boiled the fluid again. > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 09:31:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1306540426 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CFE0403ED for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12270 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2013 15:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2013 15:27:56 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=49918 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UeoTj-0007PD-Qi for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:27:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:27:53 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <7E86C8E4-2ACC-49A5-850B-836C2DAE8AAA@me.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Castrol SRF for me too. Tony Drews At 10:11 AM 5/21/2013, John Hasty wrote: >We use SRF. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On May 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten > > different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is >the > > one to compare. > > If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. > > In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, > > the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a > > mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a > > reason the bottle is gold colored! > > However, have never boiled the fluid again. > > > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > > > > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 09:35:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76EB42713 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp01.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C254F403ED; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b15.c12.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.115]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4LFON1t007233; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:31:45 GMT References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <7E86C8E4-2ACC-49A5-850B-836C2DAE8AAA@me.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Hasty" , fot-bounces@autox.team.net, "Scott Janzen" From: dforeman@fooddude.com Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 15:31:43 +0000 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Castrol >>>>Sent via Wireless<<<< David Foreman -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:21 To: Scott Janzen Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid We use SRF. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten > different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is the > one to compare. > If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. > In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, > the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a > mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a > reason the bottle is gold colored! > However, have never boiled the fluid again. > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 10:16:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEC640433 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A0C403ED for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY403-EAS422 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 21 May 2013 09:12:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 09:12:37 -0700 From: horizonracing To: Tony Drews , fot@autox.team.net FILETIME=[048DDC50:01CE563E] Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net AP 551 on all of my cars . Compatible with girling/lockhead seals. I,ve had motul turn some rubber to mush . My 2 cents Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Tony Drews Date: 05/21/2013 8:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Castrol SRF for me too. Tony Drews At 10:11 AM 5/21/2013, John Hasty wrote: >We useB SRF. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On May 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten > > different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points.B The "wet" point is >the > > one to compare. > > If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. > > In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, > > the brakes get hot.B I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a > > mandatory enduro stop on a hot day.B I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a > > reason the bottle is gold colored! > > However, have never boiled the fluid again. > > > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > > > > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831B ext 103 > > > > Fax:B B B B B B B 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 10:49:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAB242713 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AB3403ED for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 10:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i4so1093821oah.7 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=0RUwGEOaIzICVIHNcPW15OIrQutjnrrUQciVOdONg1o=; b=Dy3+whACgz+gXdSTh7NgSztx+2eJpUtSrDjT+0XRGBZ0iSKpyCmokF4O3WW6z1kxse Fha40FEBlomBSx2CUJTCtS6y70olOrHLsFLZBf1K8FDLtmAFGglLLnzUdrx5NUTT2s3n Mmtl6Jk+UhJfgTSIltLliMckcGBM+1nP66uk72xPDmGqp3H0CFcAGjWgMsqxgutooqpD ux8d1utkvG82cbh0qMBhHbWzKGp0qUKGC9Lma1lNqPzViJupJl1kiFC3qPwQ4HC/LJPG Yy6C/ANppbeUsWY1js45vzP06edTYaggFpdOG2yqLUn13rhrqEh0LP7723FIQJ/eq0v1 X9xA== Tue, 21 May 2013 09:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jt9sm3195045obc.0.2013.05.21.09.46.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 09:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:46:08 -0500 References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <7E86C8E4-2ACC-49A5-850B-836C2DAE8AAA@me.com> To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Any brand of DOT 5.1 that I can find (no, that's not silicone fluid in case anyone's wondering). Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (4-wheel drum brakes) Red #6 On May 21, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten > different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is the > one to compare. > If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. > In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, > the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a > mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a > reason the bottle is gold colored! > However, have never boiled the fluid again. > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 12:28:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2119842711 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C46940333 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:18:11 -0600 (MDT) a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:17 a=PzwunHVvOysA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=wk7PLeA01X7JLhyxvqsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QxI-QZXw65x6W2yD:21 a=aa3s5xRRveyfnOum:21 a=PSrov286ou17py3pFMVYXA==:117 Received: from [76.84.234.214] ([76.84.234.214:4684] helo=guinanhp) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 14/44-16083-9437B915; Tue, 21 May 2013 13:14:50 +0000 From: "Joe Guinan" To: References: Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:15:24 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5Vg5duZFVBSwI1SbOBtu9EICpt+wAl+8Zg Content-Language: en-us Cc: klynch_6@msn.com, edenma@aol.com Subject: [Fot] RMVR at HPR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends, I just got back from the Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing event at High Plains Raceway in Colorado. Went out with a local guy who wheels a Bugeye Sprite. I'll post a link to his race videos when he finishes the production. You'll want to "ride along" on a few circuits of that track, as it is a real jewel - see below. I'll also work on getting my photos put up, and will post a link to those as soon as I finish. There were about a hundred different cars at the event - from a McLaren CanAm car to a nearly stock MGA running Historic Class. I had a great time over the weekend. They needed course workers to help man some stations on the track because several regular workers were at The Circuit Of The Americas in Austin, TX for a V8 Supercars event. Others were called off to safety training at Pikes Peak to get ready for the annual hill climb there. They were almost forced to shorten the course, which would have been a real shame as two really cool track sections would have been lost. Another friend from our travelling party and I ended up volunteering and they managed to find enough other workers to keep the entire track open for racing. My buddy in the Sprite has been telling me how much he liked the track at HPR and I now understand why. It's an outstanding facility for the kind of racing I want to do. Unlike the two pretty flat tracks closer to me (MAM near Council Bluffs, Iowa and MPH in Hastings, Nebraska), it has elevation changes of up to 70 feet in some sections. There seemed to be passing opportunities almost everywhere I looked, blind apexes in a couple spots, a couple decreasing radius corners, some fast sweepers, a corkscrew, some nice "esses", and a couple nice long straight sections. The track seemed like it would be a challenge, punishing mistakes but rewarding when attacked properly. I only got to ride along on three laps during one lunch break, but I felt there were sections of the track that flowed very nicely. I particularly liked the view downhill on what they call "To Hell On A Bobsled" (corners 9a, 9b and 10). I REALLY enjoyed my time at Turn 4 - the end of the longest straight section. I got to see the cars at speed up close and saw quite a bit of racing action. The racing was aggressive, but efforts were made to keep everything "in the vintage spirit". I saw more than one incident that in SCCA (Sports Car Crashing Association"?) would have resulted in contact. These resulted in a couple "off track excursions" when the overtaking driver avoided contact by bailing out. I'm not completely sure, but I don't think there was any "metal to metal" all weekend. Working allowed me a great opportunity to see what it takes behind the scenes to put on a good event, and gave me an appreciation for the work done by the many volunteers. I was impressed by the nearly "professional" level of organization at the event and how everyone still managed to be friendly and outgoing and generous with information. My only regret was that I didn't manage to spend much time with the FOT guys. With trying to fix an ignition problem on the Bugeye Saturday night, and working Turn 4 all day Sunday, I just didn't have the time to do everything. I wanted to spend some time hunting down Spitfire owners/drivers/wrenches so I could pick their brains and managed to figure some things out that should help me with my Spitfires. I did get to meet Kevin Lynch, "Too Damn Funky" Jim Grace, Mark Eden and son Christian, and we paddocked next to Dan Forgey and "The Black Pearl" - his beautiful black TR4. I missed getting into Race Control to meet Bill Rosenbach. I also didn't get race results yet, so hope to see a report from one of those guys about how the FOT upheld it's honor over the weekend. We started finalizing plans we for finishing my old SCCA Spitfire on the way home, and it sounds like we might even get another car or two started for some other guys. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 12:28:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FF84272F for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9361240425 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 09:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:17 a=02x9Fjxtek4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=57MXOtyHMFgA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=rpB1CqzKAAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=8-EsCLMOSyy0V4nTmxAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ztUPYMzusQ0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:117 Received: from [206.16.105.224] ([206.16.105.224:29167] helo=[192.38.12.38]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 47/62-16585-1389B915; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:52:18 +0000 References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <7E86C8E4-2ACC-49A5-850B-836C2DAE8AAA@me.com> <1373812329-1369150305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388028693-@b15.c12.bise6.blackberry> From: Bob Kramer Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:52:13 -0500 To: "dforeman@fooddude.com" Cc: "fot-bounces@autox.team.net" , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use ATE Super Blue. They also make an Amber version which is compatible and is supposed to allow you to have 100 certainty when you flush out old fluid. I'm still on the blue and I like it but the Castrol SRF out specs it. Like I do with VR1 racing oil and GL4 gear oil, I like to do fluid changes often and therefore I stay away from higher priced synthetics. ATE is a good fluid for flushers like me! Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 10:31 AM, dforeman@fooddude.com wrote: > Castrol >>>>> Sent via Wireless<<<< > David Foreman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:21 > To: Scott Janzen > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid > > We use SRF. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten >> different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is > the >> one to compare. >> If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. >> In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, >> the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a >> mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a >> reason the bottle is gold colored! >> However, have never boiled the fluid again. >> >> On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: >> >> What's the fluid of choice for you guys? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dforeman@fooddude.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 12:43:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B6542724 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr02.ntelos.net (mailrtr02.ntelos.net [216.12.0.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F209340427 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr02.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r4LIe7IA010824; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:40:08 GMT Received: from d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.234.204]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:08 -0400 References: <001301ce5625$41a7d5a0$c4f780e0$@rr.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:40:08 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" To: "Joe Guinan" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Cc: klynch_6@msn.com, fot@autox.team.net, edenma@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] RMVR at HPR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Joe, Very nice write-up, thanks. Yeah, working the corners is not only great fun, but the second best spectator seat in the house. This makes me miss my days as a corner worker with RMVR (back in the '80's - now I feel old!). John On Tue, May 21, 2013 9:15 am, Joe Guinan wrote: > Friends, > I had a great time over the weekend. They needed course workers to help > man > some stations on the track because several regular workers were at The > Circuit Of The Americas in Austin, TX for a V8 Supercars event. Others > were > called off to safety training at Pikes Peak to get ready for the annual > hill > climb there. They were almost forced to shorten the course, which would > have been a real shame as two really cool track sections would have been > lost. Another friend from our travelling party and I ended up volunteering > and they managed to find enough other workers to keep the entire track > open > for racing. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 13:11:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F022D40432 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 13:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89D540427 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 13:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 21 May 2013 14:07:05 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Mike Moore' , 'FOT' Thread-Topic: [Fot] Brake Fluid Thread-Index: Ac5WL8yPbkt/V256Tg2rXv1cx6z+RgAJo/Vw Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:07:05 +0000 References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Castrol LMA. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:31 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] Brake Fluid What's the fluid of choice for you guys? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 15:59:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1163940444 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f53.google.com (mail-qe0-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30504040C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 15:59:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f53.google.com with SMTP id s14so746158qeb.12 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 14:55:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=GdCtiVwFSBApxgH/CXMCEfUS+GNBdXerbu8zo+xf0bQ=; b=bKQCxQlq2iE+Q1IxTGhJaLoiq3062omzWrAefAKmko5h2OPC5uprvfPhSiAXtpGkl8 NNchl4BQfYYMTJ3GnnClvHSp7nZ9ly5HhZomiCAj1FJYiLI+qm3zbCMeZhKyLGVPfc7g KTWP2U0Zl+VagVFJnfMgeJohbcIn60XsZGZp/TYbMu9RMiKhQfgUbA4wF60U2emogEcV tjaHkouFPW+8vhSeCtdUyzAjLoWS/54+iVUCa6LFk4wTjkxYGja3LM/D2UdUuFIBtjDV Hm3uizpK34u6ggxsmzQDA92hwGb/L30TRHvabYqvTEEjiBoeOeHchCbgOCTOHuWPHHzq Y8Ow== j1mr4549421qaz.15.1369173343790; Tue, 21 May 2013 14:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.105.163 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 14:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:55:22 +1000 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe i get involved with urethane & hard rubber mounts on a daily basis. my impression of urethane mounts is they are fine in race cars and crappy elsewhere as they just don't have the resilience of rubber, so they transmit a lot of vibrations that rubber mounts absorb. we have experimented here with all sorts and grades of both rubber and urethane. we have removed really hard urethane mounts from modern race/rally cars as they been a major factor in fatigue cracking the steel bodywork where the mounting plate affixes. notable examples are Toyota GT4 and Mitsu Evo lancer, where we have changed to custom rubber mounts (harder duro, different voiding compared with factory) and totally solved the mount problems whilst i understand the TR is a lot sturdier than these 2 examples, and the same is unlikely to occur, can you please comment on the vibration aspects in respect to what you have planned for the TR rear mount. thanks Terry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 16:52:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B270E4042C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704EB40414 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7CF3F7005E3CE; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 13B47E0002C2; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:48:34 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 17:48:33 -0500 To: Enquiries Road & Track x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369176515; bh=Trj/LHwVZkvpShV57F8QnRYtIw6JIoE2r5dmcJV5nmo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=cz9GzBIr3y5WcQeBsmumseXaRHLyZfU7M+AF8f3pPy9Rdjac9Ers31Vy86gYxzrmC 730bPcMiBw+ALNqCb76PHIto0YaMK1Jp3Ni6SHS/x+ZtXOAvDu9fzhLSsgtYaEuG9y 42WT3J5UuctDPobVkR6cBvchb1uBLyX7sDfo/mN4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2901519bf9c26e5b Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I sent Terry the design of the A.R.E. Mount. I also indicated that I understood his first two paragraphs. I asked for a clarification of the third paragraph as I didn't understand what he was asking. I did share that we experienced no increase in driveline vibration. We have not tried this design in our street TRs yet, but have the expectation that this 40 durometer rear mount will perform well. It is clear that Terry has a very wide range of experience in body and frame isolation. There is certainly something to be learned and will be looking forward to his reply. Any other points of discussion? Joe A Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" wrote: > Joe > > i get involved with urethane & hard rubber mounts on a daily basis. > my impression of urethane mounts is they are fine in race cars and > crappy elsewhere as they just don't have the resilience of rubber, so > they transmit a lot of vibrations that rubber mounts absorb. we have > experimented here with all sorts and grades of both rubber and > urethane. > > we have removed really hard urethane mounts from modern race/rally > cars as they been a major factor in fatigue cracking the steel > bodywork where the mounting plate affixes. notable examples are Toyota > GT4 and Mitsu Evo lancer, where we have changed to custom rubber > mounts (harder duro, different voiding compared with factory) and > totally solved the mount problems > > whilst i understand the TR is a lot sturdier than these 2 examples, > and the same is unlikely to occur, can you please comment on the > vibration aspects in respect to what you have planned for the TR rear > mount. > > thanks > > Terry > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 17:45:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7164043F for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f43.google.com (mail-qa0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924B8400A5 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id j11so2536654qag.16 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:40:48 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=aDXSI5+GEg36wFaUNhu4bEC098SIALWCg/Hpz2RMcqc=; b=SRIXTfkYENyPZ6scILQ6EyF/PjP6QLSNr1jdQcLXi2fYlndfUZrB2jXpThiPkUNwQo LwQ7lF0/OevOaIoMWrBQYoJcllHHnDy4cpWWYy8XUUfwl0yjAJP8mejHR+QzuGssfsLv DUTtkfYkIQgHqSX9HRuUiLMf1qrrvzbqhfX+pXwqRLW5zG8j/MhwiuO3RcJKsij9TxhA e20GStlVqH/0GQj8RrWWor2e8FNgd5tKU7J4QbMf5oS6MTxD5LoxgDhwbHLRk7uKknjH L0pXhfIenSUQe6bpLuy3eWap2qP9h2zOJwj30sV6UWG/6Qrl/uEGPAmddMjxnjJg+O5w 5fcA== n1mr1634300qcy.113.1369179648197; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.105.163 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) References: From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 09:40:28 +1000 To: Joe Alexander Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net joe, i think you have answered the question by saying you have not experienced a rise in vibrations with this soft (40 duro) urethane mount. design looks good with what appears to be adequate segregation of the internal metal components. my experience suggests you need at least 5-6 mm of urethane all around the support plates for the bolts. this allows enough internal movement before the urethane goes into compression "lock-up" eg, as the box rocks around on start up). mounts like this are typically "tuned" by changing the location, size and shape of voids cast into the urethane in the lower part. this is the step that most custom mount makers ignore , but what separates a really good design from the rest. this will only come from real life experiences or ideally, from setting up accelerometers on the box and doing tests on various designs. good luck, i'll buy one when ready. keep me in the loop Terry On 22 May 2013 08:48, Joe Alexander wrote: > I sent Terry the design of the A.R.E. Mount. I also indicated that I understood his first two paragraphs. > > I asked for a clarification of the third paragraph as I didn't understand what he was asking. > > I did share that we experienced no increase in driveline vibration. > > We have not tried this design in our street TRs yet, but have the expectation that this 40 durometer rear mount will perform well. > > It is clear that Terry has a very wide range of experience in body and frame isolation. There is certainly something to be learned and will be looking forward to his reply. > > Any other points of discussion? > > Joe A > Sent from my iPad > > On May 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" wrote: > >> Joe >> >> i get involved with urethane & hard rubber mounts on a daily basis. >> my impression of urethane mounts is they are fine in race cars and >> crappy elsewhere as they just don't have the resilience of rubber, so >> they transmit a lot of vibrations that rubber mounts absorb. we have >> experimented here with all sorts and grades of both rubber and >> urethane. >> >> we have removed really hard urethane mounts from modern race/rally >> cars as they been a major factor in fatigue cracking the steel >> bodywork where the mounting plate affixes. notable examples are Toyota >> GT4 and Mitsu Evo lancer, where we have changed to custom rubber >> mounts (harder duro, different voiding compared with factory) and >> totally solved the mount problems >> >> whilst i understand the TR is a lot sturdier than these 2 examples, >> and the same is unlikely to occur, can you please comment on the >> vibration aspects in respect to what you have planned for the TR rear >> mount. >> >> thanks >> >> Terry >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 18:10:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78944042C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DEE4042C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 18:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.70]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E9D3070055AC5; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 930F9E0000D0; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:07:13 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:06:33 -0500 To: Enquiries Road & Track x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369181233; bh=gmQ6wiSKuJFPt8GNxvwT8bfHO73hBSn0Qy84tzwi3M4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=yxnmBCaKvMPRG+gGWthsicU2P0aJBsbbbP8O6m7KP2kyha8M30fkbOrEd+QEsaEzp w4TxC6FtBigRMsE4WCzYaCkF+jUFf/kd3BsgkUzKdbO8HdvFYYRuE9v58j48ZEJtpu VL4PLk+2ndgSOyTFm0sRHId/2OqQUlxrcxkyHmvg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2946519c0c31208b Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you very much. Sean has good experience in mold fixture design, thus the ability to produce a somewhat intuitive design to overcome a frequent problem. The mention of "voids" in the design is duly noted for tuning. So far, the response for product is well past the first 10 that was offered and I am sure Sean is mulling over the production quantity for the next run. If anyone else wishes to see a picture of the finished product and a computer isometric view of the mechanical parts, just ask. Thanks again, Terry, for the review of the components and insights we had no prior knowledge of. Best Regards, Joe A. WAY TO GO, Sean! Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2013, at 6:40 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" wrote: > joe, i think you have answered the question by saying you have not > experienced a rise in vibrations with this soft (40 duro) urethane > mount. > > design looks good with what appears to be adequate segregation of the > internal metal components. my experience suggests you need at least > 5-6 mm of urethane all around the support plates for the bolts. this > allows enough internal movement before the urethane goes into > compression "lock-up" eg, as the box rocks around on start up). > > mounts like this are typically "tuned" by changing the location, size > and shape of voids cast into the urethane in the lower part. this is > the step that most custom mount makers ignore , but what separates a > really good design from the rest. this will only come from real life > experiences or ideally, from setting up accelerometers on the box and > doing tests on various designs. > > good luck, i'll buy one when ready. keep me in the loop > > Terry > > > > > > On 22 May 2013 08:48, Joe Alexander wrote: >> I sent Terry the design of the A.R.E. Mount. I also indicated that I understood his first two paragraphs. >> >> I asked for a clarification of the third paragraph as I didn't understand what he was asking. >> >> I did share that we experienced no increase in driveline vibration. >> >> We have not tried this design in our street TRs yet, but have the expectation that this 40 durometer rear mount will perform well. >> >> It is clear that Terry has a very wide range of experience in body and frame isolation. There is certainly something to be learned and will be looking forward to his reply. >> >> Any other points of discussion? >> >> Joe A >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" wrote: >> >>> Joe >>> >>> i get involved with urethane & hard rubber mounts on a daily basis. >>> my impression of urethane mounts is they are fine in race cars and >>> crappy elsewhere as they just don't have the resilience of rubber, so >>> they transmit a lot of vibrations that rubber mounts absorb. we have >>> experimented here with all sorts and grades of both rubber and >>> urethane. >>> >>> we have removed really hard urethane mounts from modern race/rally >>> cars as they been a major factor in fatigue cracking the steel >>> bodywork where the mounting plate affixes. notable examples are Toyota >>> GT4 and Mitsu Evo lancer, where we have changed to custom rubber >>> mounts (harder duro, different voiding compared with factory) and >>> totally solved the mount problems >>> >>> whilst i understand the TR is a lot sturdier than these 2 examples, >>> and the same is unlikely to occur, can you please comment on the >>> vibration aspects in respect to what you have planned for the TR rear >>> mount. >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Terry >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 20:50:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC6942729 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42F34042C for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 20:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 02:47:10 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.108] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 02:47:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 02:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 42834 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2013 02:47:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369190829; bh=NIa3fKC/Bzv83M+Wx2Zu+Mpod8IGW+525TNDveFXU/4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DazOK5GOJtWU09Bcij8ZKmy7oyZU4cPOMi0zCoVxEoVCHgoaRHWvyRkKm9UoncHlB1savxIOGbWQTmbTRrylu8KKKF5Xc7RggKvz4OVYJP7mLstaE43S9lkngj9i7Q2kOuhtngwc82i/JxQGkNDBkhziAgeUF56yEP5FpCOqWeQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i8p5s0z73WuJTC8subM32/uXtDtp4eliLVGf5eoQKVYITKRj8aZ56zOU2G0KV3TB4BK2+1bGoi8Sczg/nuiBukrzHbN22qlt9MohQCMLtE7KO6iHbH7DY5+8xyKY1FRBCtm6M/LP7BmB+EKzBdJjtgNYBHMpLAbKrY+WCDT/jmQ=; j9mo5rm4vzzLiqWQ6bHx0Uj7WyGooWAM_te3XI7fcRZvLfATcKf3qrdt0UDB 5OTjiEBSfbga0NHHxYHEhD6SGQobMXoLKM0VYMXlVQIyy2IJqZAdiadKujSd j0AT7aE9JSaHtq6oZ5H3yeIGDeIk41VTlulzkWAFRhXbJFxt.DZM5g.ovKEL Km8TUHKwAbrSga65V7q0YHvbmw7wCnmiQt01JZrkGOCgXxdy_Vg93DvntySC vFtxLPTi3a9k8dLk8VLkR1tJBg9w1w.aEPFaYUgqS3rxUR1L0Q3wU.oqSwSf BH_sZYnvZQs9HWN8xYvzWroKv2WBkynPfOu3K9A.csG4ix5jvsJsg61Q46xs KBRrP.MXJ6.9C7UHeVFWnRd0VdGEPL8J0ZgHTDJlah6HAAqUurt.Mf1Fu1tM KamGMj4UlY9lDFf8QdRRKlSXIC0s4P5Lbp10cmWPpXeV43wyC11jaOgt9evX sBg0XUGyBgRJdV22KQ.l0Bm_ksrs02sMgN7e0.jXsAe03ROlk112R Received: from [76.221.83.131] by web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 19:47:09 PDT SSdtIHVzaW5nIE1vdG9sLi4uICAgQm9iYnkgV2hpdGVoZWFkCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpGcm9tOiAiZGZvcmVtYW5AZm9vZGR1ZGUuY29tIiA8ZGZvcmVtYW5AZm9vZGR1ZGUuY29tPgpUbzogSm9obiBIYXN0eSA8amhoYXN0eUBnZGhzLmNvbT47IGZvdC1ib3VuY2VzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0OyBTY290dCBKYW56ZW4gCjxzamFuemVuQG1lLmNvbT4KQ2M6IEZPVCA8Zm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PgpTZW50OiBUdWUsIE1heSAyMSwgMjAxMyAxMDozMjozMCBBTQpTdWIBMAEBAQE- References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <7E86C8E4-2ACC-49A5-850B-836C2DAE8AAA@me.com> <1373812329-1369150305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388028693-@b15.c12.bise6.blackberry> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 19:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Whitehead To: dforeman@fooddude.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm using Motol... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "dforeman@fooddude.com" To: John Hasty ; fot-bounces@autox.team.net; Scott Janzen Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 10:32:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Castrol >>>>Sent via Wireless<<<< David Foreman -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:21 To: Scott Janzen Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid We use SRF. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > The Pegasus catalog is a handy reference because they offer about ten > different fluids and their wet and dry boiling points. The "wet" point is the > one to compare. > If your brakes don't run really hot, the Motul 660 is a good value. > In the GT6, with 13" wheels, and a car that weighs almost as much as yours, > the brakes get hot. I boiled the fluid once sitting in the pits during a > mandatory enduro stop on a hot day. I now run Castrol SRF, but there's a > reason the bottle is gold colored! > However, have never boiled the fluid again. > > On May 21, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dforeman@fooddude.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 00:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE9F4044C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 00:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDE140442 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 00:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id bj3so1449017pad.29 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:08:34 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=zz/amfwrMew68yILlTfAF/2Jzv6Q2sM6KjMeQqBADA4=; b=yGTEIHse8t7Lhp/8BB/u1liY/MXTcGfXV09/RpQY1A0EnZvXv1eD2UL9b2iCQoEaj6 FT15AffSjqrvBl/Hz2nWjddyATT8uuPV3ZmjKMdEdhFRVFfhPAiAwVVUen2VYVaRs+Nq T18uRuneKn7nADemzUDj/g2WKhBxjwbzxfDAepU5BIyx91Jdh+l+u/jPaYQtmxRhVoLO QAFPU0SHfndznwHT8FfKLdv9Q0nMw2z3wIdLdJTWoG6w6g6BGr7xd3gCXsrFJoTJsICo 2ppd6g8kT55eZn3w9hj9v/JEoz0gElktRscHoJfxVoaQO4nTVUvAUcAPbKN4oxrao+ey TJyg== ul2mr6798963pab.17.1369202914684; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp187-153.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.187.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 3sm5834814pbj.46.2013.05.21.23.08.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 23:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 23:08:32 -0700 References: <6E8308B5-C548-49E5-9A07-1B5B4F89E4C9@cs.com> To: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Something tells me it will be better than my usual practice of welding the plates together. I haven't noticed what Tony Garmey has done for mounts, but Peyote used to be solid mounts in all three corners. I suspect Tony tossed that away long ago. On May 21, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Thank you very much. Sean has good experience in mold fixture design, thus the > ability to produce a somewhat intuitive design to overcome a frequent > problem. > > The mention of "voids" in the design is duly noted for tuning. > > So far, the response for product is well past the first 10 that was offered > and I am sure Sean is mulling over the production quantity for the next run. > > If anyone else wishes to see a picture of the finished product and a computer > isometric view of the mechanical parts, just ask. > > Thanks again, Terry, for the review of the components and insights we had no > prior knowledge of. > > Best Regards, > > Joe A. WAY TO GO, Sean! > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 21, 2013, at 6:40 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" > wrote: > >> joe, i think you have answered the question by saying you have not >> experienced a rise in vibrations with this soft (40 duro) urethane >> mount. >> >> design looks good with what appears to be adequate segregation of the >> internal metal components. my experience suggests you need at least >> 5-6 mm of urethane all around the support plates for the bolts. this >> allows enough internal movement before the urethane goes into >> compression "lock-up" eg, as the box rocks around on start up). >> >> mounts like this are typically "tuned" by changing the location, size >> and shape of voids cast into the urethane in the lower part. this is >> the step that most custom mount makers ignore , but what separates a >> really good design from the rest. this will only come from real life >> experiences or ideally, from setting up accelerometers on the box and >> doing tests on various designs. >> >> good luck, i'll buy one when ready. keep me in the loop >> >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> >> On 22 May 2013 08:48, Joe Alexander wrote: >>> I sent Terry the design of the A.R.E. Mount. I also indicated that I > understood his first two paragraphs. >>> >>> I asked for a clarification of the third paragraph as I didn't understand > what he was asking. >>> >>> I did share that we experienced no increase in driveline vibration. >>> >>> We have not tried this design in our street TRs yet, but have the > expectation that this 40 durometer rear mount will perform well. >>> >>> It is clear that Terry has a very wide range of experience in body and > frame isolation. There is certainly something to be learned and will be > looking forward to his reply. >>> >>> Any other points of discussion? >>> >>> Joe A >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On May 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" > wrote: >>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> i get involved with urethane & hard rubber mounts on a daily basis. >>>> my impression of urethane mounts is they are fine in race cars and >>>> crappy elsewhere as they just don't have the resilience of rubber, so >>>> they transmit a lot of vibrations that rubber mounts absorb. we have >>>> experimented here with all sorts and grades of both rubber and >>>> urethane. >>>> >>>> we have removed really hard urethane mounts from modern race/rally >>>> cars as they been a major factor in fatigue cracking the steel >>>> bodywork where the mounting plate affixes. notable examples are Toyota >>>> GT4 and Mitsu Evo lancer, where we have changed to custom rubber >>>> mounts (harder duro, different voiding compared with factory) and >>>> totally solved the mount problems >>>> >>>> whilst i understand the TR is a lot sturdier than these 2 examples, >>>> and the same is unlikely to occur, can you please comment on the >>>> vibration aspects in respect to what you have planned for the TR rear >>>> mount. >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Terry >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 04:49:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797014044C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 04:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9014043F for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 04:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31DA4C092; Wed, 22 May 2013 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NmYPXZ3wHPLB; Wed, 22 May 2013 06:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5FBD3A4C08B; Wed, 22 May 2013 06:45:41 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "Mike Moore" , "'FOT'" References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:45:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I know this goes against what most are saying here, but I have never had an issue with Castrol LMA, the stuff you can buy off the shelf at most auto parts stores. With Vintage legal race tires, I don't think we can get enough heat into the brakes to boil Castrol LMA. Or at least I never have. . I change the fluid completely every off season, and between race weekends bleed the system enough to change out the fluid at all four corners. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake Fluid > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 05:12:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853E740451 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E871A4043F for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=D043JSEkTF4tlDdMe7q20Q==:17 a=j5_ojvTVeyIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=57MXOtyHMFgA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=879b_Iw0AAAA:8 a=nE-FekZpLf0xV-TYfJsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1QNhSFbQkrsA:10 a=D043JSEkTF4tlDdMe7q20Q==:117 Received: from [64.134.144.118] ([64.134.144.118:52255] helo=[192.168.6.47]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 60/BD-11869-437AC915; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:08:36 +0000 References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <07BD9CD3A38B4D4D8C962AFD053D81C4@TRIUMPH.local> From: Bob Kramer Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:08:35 -0500 To: "" Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I used to do the exact same procedure using Castrol LMA but the Lemons TR6 experience taught me that you can boil it after a few hours in the Texas summer heat. The better fluids absorb less moisture and handle the heat better. At $20 a pint instead of $7 the ATE is good insurance and I get to skip a few blessings here and there. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, wrote: > I know this goes against what most are saying here, but I have never had an > issue with Castrol LMA, the stuff you can buy off the shelf at most auto > parts stores. With Vintage legal race tires, I don't think we can get enough > heat into the brakes to boil Castrol LMA. Or at least I never have. . > > I change the fluid completely every off season, and between race weekends > bleed the system enough to change out the fluid at all _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 07:02:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F276B4276D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:02:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34E440427 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:02:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.98.85] ([69.249.204.30]) by p3plsmtpa09-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id f0zF1l00D0fsMZx010zFkD; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:59:16 -0700 From: Scott Janzen Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:59:15 -0400 References: To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've been told that on a dual axle trailer, once a tire fails on one side, the second is likely to go- either due to the sudden added load at speed, or pieces of the adjacent tire beating on it as it disintegrates. I've had the same experience with tires lasting 4-5 years and then all failing within a narrow time span - if they don't pick up a nail first. Trailer tires seem to be magnets for punctures. I now carry two spares at all times, and a plug kit. I like the idea of going up a load range or two to keep them underloaded! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 07:03:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D564276C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9FE4043C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MN7004TMARGV620@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:59:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: , "Mike Moore" , "'FOT'" References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <07BD9CD3A38B4D4D8C962AFD053D81C4@TRIUMPH.local> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:59:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use the same, Henry. Never had a problem. Mike: glad you had fun at SP; wish I could have been there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mike Moore" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid >I know this goes against what most are saying here, but I have never had an >issue with Castrol LMA, the stuff you can buy off the shelf at most auto >parts stores. With Vintage legal race tires, I don't think we can get >enough heat into the brakes to boil Castrol LMA. Or at least I never have. >. > > I change the fluid completely every off season, and between race weekends > bleed the system enough to change out the fluid at all four corners. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:30 AM > Subject: [Fot] Brake Fluid > > >> What's the fluid of choice for you guys? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 07:53:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452F44279D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF74275D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 07:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5F55E700308DE; Wed, 22 May 2013 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mta004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.141]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 35340E000081; Wed, 22 May 2013 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) To: Janzen@REcatalyst.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369230619; bh=QEojPV+q8OUzv3jRdKbuDEZWrwbOsF5e10eCHbc7Lnc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gfwEMzVhaKon0Nkt3LRtrDzhXROG9hImzly9SlRaPayPX37WLoaSpLcmQGTH9iQXk FC1iDM+3nD5b3DIl7cLU0pGNTP/EBAIdHKRYyDHOat+qra8p4KxGli6TGk71UAlo1B 7LKQT4fYKmTMrJ147Hh3FnXse5z1bEziQblzzU5s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d519ccd1b149a Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 05/22/2013 7:59:27 AM Central Daylight Time, Janzen@REcatalyst.com writes: > I've been told that on a dual axle trailer, once a tire fails on one > side, the > second is likely to go- either due to the sudden added load at speed, or > pieces of the adjacent tire beating on it as it disintegrates. > I've had the same experience with tires lasting 4-5 years and then all > failing within a narrow time span - if they don't pick up a nail first. > Trailer tires seem to be magnets for punctures. > I now carry two spares at all times, and a plug kit. > > I like the idea of going up a load range or two to keep them underloaded! > All good points based on my experience. One time I lost a trailer wheel towing through Plymouth, Wisconsin on the way to Road America. I must have traveled a good mile and one half with only one wheel on the outside. Some 'good soul' saw me loose it, chased it, and then chased me to return it. You can't buy that kind of roadside help. It either comes for nothing, or you don't get it. I replaced both tires on that side of the trailer, and since the stud holes were hogged out, I had to replace the wheel too. Then last year, my wife and I had a blowout in the mountains coming back from the Mitty. We're getting a little long in the tooth for changing tires on a loaded trailer, especially in the mountains with little or no pull off area. Fortunately it was on the inside, I was able to ease it to an area that had minimal adjacent room to pull off. The rig was off the road, somewhat level, but we were working from a pretty steep incline. The biggest problem was my aluminum jack had difficulty lifting the loaded trailer high enough to get the tire off the road. It took a jack stand, and taking several new bites, but we finally got it changed. We then got off at the next exit where we were able to replace both tires on that side. Trailer tires is not a good place to try to 'save money'. Buy good ones, over rated for the job. Bob Wismer uses a single axle trailer, has had some blowout adventures, and now buys new trailer tires every 4 years regardless of tread depth or appearance. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 08:05:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B45427A1 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 08:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF594275D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 08:05:31 -0600 (MDT) a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:17 a=7KaaxAUCt-sA:10 a=UnC5n290m7UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2XRMRsyDRT8A:10 a=cYzAZRtvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=cfgyb_j6AAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ES6boko8bMFobZNUfC8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=zUC2aWQo8WAA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rUEhzqVmrnEA:10 a=GnMEISLh6JRH6pSStlFk9A==:117 Received: from [67.255.16.235] ([67.255.16.235:52002] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5E/4A-06694-CDFCC915; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:02:04 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: , References: <42a2d.9746895.3ece271a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 10:02:03 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5W82HoalgHq9KMReGceMUBGhg2UQAAIRPA Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net After traveling to races for some 27 years and having more "tire adventures" than I ever wanted and hearing of a few motorhome episodes others had where tires failed and tore up the coach itself, I took the advice of a good friend Mack McCormick and installed a tire monitoring system. It was pretty inexpensive; wireless and simple to install and program. The peace of mind is great and I no longer am wondering if a tire is going bad when a weird road surface causes strange noises. The system monitors temperatures and pressures and will also alarm if there's a rapid air loss, giving the driver an advance notice. I have no financial connection with these folks. There are other systems also out there. It is not expensive. http://www.tsttruck.com/Home_Page.html Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:50 AM To: Janzen@REcatalyst.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info In a message dated 05/22/2013 7:59:27 AM Central Daylight Time, Janzen@REcatalyst.com writes: > I've been told that on a dual axle trailer, once a tire fails on one > side, the > second is likely to go- either due to the sudden added load at speed, or > pieces of the adjacent tire beating on it as it disintegrates. > I've had the same experience with tires lasting 4-5 years and then all > failing within a narrow time span - if they don't pick up a nail first. > Trailer tires seem to be magnets for punctures. > I now carry two spares at all times, and a plug kit. > > I like the idea of going up a load range or two to keep them underloaded! > All good points based on my experience. One time I lost a trailer wheel towing through Plymouth, Wisconsin on the way to Road America. I must have traveled a good mile and one half with only one wheel on the outside. Some 'good soul' saw me loose it, chased it, and then chased me to return it. You can't buy that kind of roadside help. It either comes for nothing, or you don't get it. I replaced both tires on that side of the trailer, and since the stud holes were hogged out, I had to replace the wheel too. Then last year, my wife and I had a blowout in the mountains coming back from the Mitty. We're getting a little long in the tooth for changing tires on a loaded trailer, especially in the mountains with little or no pull off area. Fortunately it was on the inside, I was able to ease it to an area that had minimal adjacent room to pull off. The rig was off the road, somewhat level, but we were working from a pretty steep incline. The biggest problem was my aluminum jack had difficulty lifting the loaded trailer high enough to get the tire off the road. It took a jack stand, and taking several new bites, but we finally got it changed. We then got off at the next exit where we were able to replace both tires on that side. Trailer tires is not a good place to try to 'save money'. Buy good ones, over rated for the job. Bob Wismer uses a single axle trailer, has had some blowout adventures, and now buys new trailer tires every 4 years regardless of tread depth or appearance. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 11:38:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B1E40E67 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE8740427 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f4vv1l0060S2fkCA25avvr; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:34:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([24.22.75.60]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f5at1l0091J37AG8V5au7E; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:34:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 10:34:51 -0700 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <299F0176-AED1-42DD-AF60-E39F8DC524BE@REcatalyst.com> s=q20121106; t=1369244095; bh=uvEZyKDvDoG3Fw11Bywp6KVtTvfcb675GbD5vloUX68=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=FL8w15ZWxxGXTguoead9n19n0C9L0sscVB3zGliJuzAsrZygNEvwCoE2Tow/wFI+N Rw/r+27R3Qwj/19Hc1dk9J9jgSd6U93vduk4teYR1fIyaCV/yg1DteZxI9bglINfFQ GwlXx9axMcq7cXMZuBvmwAiMfN7hwAUhYFFiG6UJEO6KKygpwl/kmBeGb3VL6ZWbiF A7Ezw64cyfzA+VgYV8AoSD0FslYVF8JmRgPWulKMlokZbxLnOyO/natzxFmJXmvVSu RZF8v1ZSCl1Fv+2P+YkOPbYQUtnqBRgv6Te9aZLzlsNkufa1xCfFss/GG+zpG1MiCQ HfX8qC44v2DoA== Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We lost the right rear trailer tire on the way to the Kastner Cup race at Laguna Seca. It was near Stockton on a really bumpy concrete section of I5. A passing driver started waving frantically at me as he passed - I never felt or heard a thing. It was pouring down rain and to top it off, the windshield wiper motor conked out as I was driving down the freeway off ramp. Put on my spare and then found a replacement wheel and tire to carry with me as a spare. I replaced all four of the remaining tires the next race weekend. I had my race tire dealer bring them to the track which was very convenient. On 5/22/2013 5:59 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I've been told that on a dual axle trailer, once a tire fails on one side, the > second is likely to go- either due to the sudden added load at speed, or > pieces of the adjacent tire beating on it as it disintegrates. > I've had the same experience with tires lasting 4-5 years and then all > failing within a narrow time span - if they don't pick up a nail first. > Trailer tires seem to be magnets for punctures. > I now carry two spares at all times, and a plug kit. > > I like the idea of going up a load range or two to keep them underloaded! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 11:51:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C82440454 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB164043F for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:17 a=02x9Fjxtek4A:10 a=aC5qFuwfiEUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=NENNfvK2cK4A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=6Lih0vMlAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=dKKdPrnsAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=VGrR2_ZsrJWvw4ATHtkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=jJEJZSdMZHEA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:117 Received: from [206.16.105.224] ([206.16.105.224:54798] helo=[192.38.12.38]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 1D/21-16585-72FAC915; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:42:32 +0000 References: <6E8308B5-C548-49E5-9A07-1B5B4F89E4C9@cs.com> From: Bob Kramer Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:42:29 -0500 To: Bill Babcock Cc: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have used the TRF HD tranny mounts with the cavity filled with automotive silicone successfully now for years. Welded mounts used with racing engine mounts caused float bowl issues for me. The silicone acts like the gel in running shoes, absorbs a lot of harmonics. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Something tells me it will be better than my usual practice of welding the > plates together. I haven't noticed what Tony Garmey has done for mounts, but > Peyote used to be solid mounts in all three corners. I suspect Tony tossed > that away long ago. > > On May 21, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Thank you very much. Sean has good experience in mold fixture design, thus > the >> ability to produce a somewhat intuitive design to overcome a frequent >> problem. >> >> The mention of "voids" in the design is duly noted for tuning. >> >> So far, the response for product is well past the first 10 that was offered >> and I am sure Sean is mulling over the production quantity for the next > run. >> >> If anyone else wishes to see a picture of the finished product and a > computer >> isometric view of the mechanical parts, just ask. >> >> Thanks again, Terry, for the review of the components and insights we had > no >> prior knowledge of. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A. WAY TO GO, Sean! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 21, 2013, at 6:40 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" >> wrote: >> >>> joe, i think you have answered the question by saying you have not >>> experienced a rise in vibrations with this soft (40 duro) urethane >>> mount. >>> >>> design looks good with what appears to be adequate segregation of the >>> internal metal components. my experience suggests you need at least >>> 5-6 mm of urethane all around the support plates for the bolts. this >>> allows enough internal movement before the urethane goes into >>> compression "lock-up" eg, as the box rocks around on start up). >>> >>> mounts like this are typically "tuned" by changing the location, size >>> and shape of voids cast into the urethane in the lower part. this is >>> the step that most custom mount makers ignore , but what separates a >>> really good design from the rest. this will only come from real life >>> experiences or ideally, from setting up accelerometers on the box and >>> doing tests on various designs. >>> >>> good luck, i'll buy one when ready. keep me in the loop >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2013 08:48, Joe Alexander wrote: >>>> I sent Terry the design of the A.R.E. Mount. I also indicated that I >> understood his first two paragraphs. >>>> >>>> I asked for a clarification of the third paragraph as I didn't understand >> what he was asking. >>>> >>>> I did share that we experienced no increase in driveline vibration. >>>> >>>> We have not tried this design in our street TRs yet, but have the >> expectation that this 40 durometer rear mount will perform well. >>>> >>>> It is clear that Terry has a very wide range of experience in body and >> frame isolation. There is certainly something to be learned and will be >> looking forward to his reply. >>>> >>>> Any other points of discussion? >>>> >>>> Joe A >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Enquiries Road & Track" >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> i get involved with urethane & hard rubber mounts on a daily basis. >>>>> my impression of urethane mounts is they are fine in race cars and >>>>> crappy elsewhere as they just don't have the resilience of rubber, so >>>>> they transmit a lot of vibrations that rubber mounts absorb. we have >>>>> experimented here with all sorts and grades of both rubber and >>>>> urethane. >>>>> >>>>> we have removed really hard urethane mounts from modern race/rally >>>>> cars as they been a major factor in fatigue cracking the steel >>>>> bodywork where the mounting plate affixes. notable examples are Toyota >>>>> GT4 and Mitsu Evo lancer, where we have changed to custom rubber >>>>> mounts (harder duro, different voiding compared with factory) and >>>>> totally solved the mount problems >>>>> >>>>> whilst i understand the TR is a lot sturdier than these 2 examples, >>>>> and the same is unlikely to occur, can you please comment on the >>>>> vibration aspects in respect to what you have planned for the TR rear >>>>> mount. >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> Terry >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 11:59:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7064042759 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4477240406 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:17 a=02x9Fjxtek4A:10 a=UnC5n290m7UA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2XRMRsyDRT8A:10 a=cYzAZRtvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=cfgyb_j6AAAA:8 a=pjJpVRSt65aDb4CBb7gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zUC2aWQo8WAA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rUEhzqVmrnEA:10 a=thU5QNwBOGS35845I5Rc9w==:117 Received: from [206.16.105.224] ([206.16.105.224:39850] helo=[192.38.12.38]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B9/3B-02984-6A60D915; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:55:50 +0000 References: <42a2d.9746895.3ece271a@aol.com> <003301ce56f4$efd13fc0$cf73bf40$@rr.com> From: Bob Kramer Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:55:48 -0500 To: Spitfire Racing Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" , "" Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don't forget that truck tire shops offer road service. I learned this a couple of years ago, the hard way. I too have moved to the 4 year method after losing a tire on the 28 ft, 2 car, 10K rig. After swapping a spare I took it to a truck tire shop and had them replace the blown out tire and headed off toward the track. I stopped for lunch only to catch z second "perfectly good" tire separating treads. I called the truck tire company and they set me up with road service and I had the other three replaced. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2013, at 9:02 AM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > After traveling to races for some 27 years and having more "tire adventures" > than I ever wanted and hearing of a few motorhome episodes others had where > tires failed and tore up the coach itself, I took the advice of a good > friend Mack McCormick and installed a tire monitoring system. It was pretty > inexpensive; wireless and simple to install and program. The peace of mind > is great and I no longer am wondering if a tire is going bad when a weird > road surface causes strange noises. The system monitors temperatures and > pressures and will also alarm if there's a rapid air loss, giving the driver > an advance notice. I have no financial connection with these folks. There > are other systems also out there. It is not expensive. > > http://www.tsttruck.com/Home_Page.html > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:50 AM > To: Janzen@REcatalyst.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info > > In a message dated 05/22/2013 7:59:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > Janzen@REcatalyst.com w _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 12:45:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E6742770 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:45:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C01540437 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z11so2002154pdj.2 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=SHEWkYAh6VXshsgMNYFm68RFq1f55mJIOURqabKui/s=; b=XnZUMp5IzATy5rVsKrVJ42VhECMvGNA7P1V0CCBsMort/2Y5YcZnT2TCP5cHfWWvQu x5FzFKkajC32vKvGSMjaxXtmf/Bl5mTU2/aKg9BSL+PQDThSBgcLR8rhS025ViCZAqQs EEJEq+K0PHYnj9jFHUBKKypo8r4pQo3+ig31cI+ZhBBNdAufZCjgTPuVGjIqCoI3oumz uY8Epv1cZ/cBj8HhQxv+9ZUjfTu2yNrkSdgKH3K9Pc1v20DlXAVcDli9Myd3+/UdnTtf egstrSegiKxlJT8zHMAIbEMSpWmp7byEoKUa6kk2xsGzOMFJDwc8xZUz8sGzE2DlkMa7 AeYQ== v1mr9337143pbu.136.1369248106942; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp187-153.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.187.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k8sm2364782pag.18.2013.05.22.11.41.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 May 2013 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:41:43 -0700 References: <299F0176-AED1-42DD-AF60-E39F8DC524BE@REcatalyst.com> <519D01BB.7020802@comcast.net> To: Jim Norlin Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One thing that makes trailer tires particularly prone to punctures is that your truck drive wheels stand up nails. If your tire stands up nails often enough your trailer will find one that's standing just as it runs over it. It's the same reason you get nails in your back tires and not in your front. The cure is the same as we used to do ot motorcycles--put a stiff flap in front of the tires to knock the nails back down. On bikes it changed flats from common to never. On May 22, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > We lost the right rear trailer tire on the way to the Kastner Cup race at Laguna Seca. It was near Stockton on a really bumpy concrete section of I5. A passing driver started waving frantically at me as he passed - I never felt or heard a thing. It was pouring down rain and to top it off, the windshield wiper motor conked out as I was driving down the freeway off ramp. Put on my spare and then found a replacement wheel and tire to carry with me as a spare. I replaced all four of the remaining tires the next race weekend. I had my race tire dealer bring them to the track which was very convenient. > > On 5/22/2013 5:59 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: >> I've been told that on a dual axle trailer, once a tire fails on one side, the >> second is likely to go- either due to the sudden added load at speed, or >> pieces of the adjacent tire beating on it as it disintegrates. >> I've had the same experience with tires lasting 4-5 years and then all >> failing within a narrow time span - if they don't pick up a nail first. >> Trailer tires seem to be magnets for punctures. >> I now carry two spares at all times, and a plug kit. >> >> I like the idea of going up a load range or two to keep them underloaded! >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 12:57:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12E14271D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDBB40454 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f0LD1l00Z0cQ2SLA16tao6; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:53:34 +0000 Received: from WalterPC ([68.35.39.236]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f6tZ1l00355iYBo8W6tZdm; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:53:34 +0000 From: "Walter Hollowell" To: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:53:35 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac5XHT6qrFnIDzL0QGKiVK27H1KA/g== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1369248814; bh=4JpkvM4GQgJ50sXk5YBRb6jkO3eqT0P+70e9n3YKzAM=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WZQk2NKTQOAFD1tDtA33ReMT2g3Xu8sLRTNmWYrZ8gIgCkRfPpX0FeYQwss4uUzjA IoiaJSdgjGS6OHf5P1BOex8LevqGyWZQ1/bGN9ZcQddEN154gT+1UjIMDH5cMemTWQ aRiL0JVxM/v+LtXoE4JOwPPF/SmquSYXQclyt1UYxn16EvuI68hUlnlAIwhUPyumX1 yfXkXp9HvfmOBKSSJlpeu6yHoQ+dzu6CeBwUb+Y6iuW3/pdp/qsBp4m4szQzMjyLS/ 6I84VAHxaDoMFAoin2J9GDz6z9wRTpBoAGoKXIfxtA8FR+AOe6q+RysZw8w9Ih3B+T kB5GotmMVLo7w== Subject: [Fot] TR6 heater fan motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I need a working heater fan motor for a 1973 Triumph TR6 restoration I am working on. If any FOT member has one they can sell me please contact me directly. Thank You, Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Ph 505 362-4350 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 13:40:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1077E42709 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634394043C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W113 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s5.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 May 2013 12:37:20 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:37:20 -0400 FILETIME=[C68E00B0:01CE5723] Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Shirts and Drivers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Third to last call. If you are planning on competing in the Kastner Cup event at Road America in September and have not given me your name and car info so I can include you on the back of the shirt you might want to do so. You can always notify me at "last call" in July and tell me to remove your info if you decide you wont be making it. We currently have a little over 60 drivers planning on attending. I will be sending a list of names for placement on the FOT site in the near future. Also, if you are going to order shirts and have not done so you should get that done. For the shirt order I will need your name and address, how many of what size shirts you want, whether you want the shirts mailed to you or if you will be picking them up at the track. Again, for payment, after I place the order in July you will need to contact Ted S. and make arrangements to pay him directly. OK, now read the shirt order info again as there is always questions on this. :) If you have done the above you would have received a confirmation email from me at that time so no need to resend. There are 116 shirts on order so far. All shirts are pre-order. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:17:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FBE42771 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A61403DD for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.2.103] (108-206-32-85.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.206.32.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8EF438F0D; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:14:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <6E8308B5-C548-49E5-9A07-1B5B4F89E4C9@cs.com> <41A27A96-BF37-4F06-9722-947BCEE52470@austin.rr.com> From: "J. Wagner" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:14:16 -0700 To: Bob Kramer Cc: Bill Babcock , "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] INITIAL PRODUCT OFFERING. REAR MOUNT TR3/TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > I like Bob's idea of injecting the void with silicone. > > On my street TR4A, many years ago, I trimmed and punched holes in piece of brass shim stock that I put between the rear trans mount and tranny like a gasket, but left a few inches of material hanging out along the front edge that I strategically bent down to create an oil shield from the oil the inevitably makes its way through the drain hole just below the clutch and whatever other sources of motor oil that makes its way to this area. It has kept my rear mount bone dry for years. I believe this has increased the life of the mount quite significantly by keeping the degrading properties of oil off the natural rubber. Before this, it seems like I replaced a lot of mounts on various Triumphs I have owned not so much from dry-cracking as much as simply dissolving! > Food for thought. > > I'm very curious to hear more about Joe's new rear mount. > > --Justin > > On May 22, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> I have used the TRF HD tranny mounts with the cavity filled with automotive >> silicone successfully now for years. Welded mounts used with racing engine >> mounts caused float bowl issues for me. The silicone acts like the gel in >> running shoes, absorbs a lot of harmonics. >> >> Bob Kramer >> Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:27:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C814278C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6297940402 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W62 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 May 2013 13:21:42 -0700 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:21:41 -0400 FILETIME=[F8E25060:01CE5729] Subject: [Fot] FOT Logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I need a clean jpeg of the FOT logo. I had one at one time but don't know where I filed it so I wouldn't lose it. Anybody have it they could email me? Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:27:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9375142789 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06824276A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f6PN1l00A0cQ2SLA28PfF1; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:23:39 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f8Pe1l00l2yr1eL8W8PeHn; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:23:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:23:38 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: fot (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1369254219; bh=FXUSiAJ6bBZ7SfxNbOgA8sXfcwmWWggrW1BvrqOkaHs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=MjLoGPrQp3EU+jBAGE5FQfZRCOHfuLlUYJHag65FVgACP5kyMfmEVzKuzxoXeiYr0 i0ar3KxXvD/0sg9Tdsz9AGT/9APUvAFK0bAn8gRQvn31I1dUqx730NXqKF92k7hVU1 sJO/jz0U9gj3LYt4jWM4TbyXLBijekRqgEQR312DkpCrEUly4GD2OzRT/U5axTMULO B7aXd/KaumPHuHVIlVmS1tN4OdR9blQblRBgOAoPGNTsarpK/LkDaq3HDTPDnZkw8A pXKtrG+Dsbl2hbV5DZcu9O11cOujrf0PTR5sOA4rfRrMkMqvZYraJQwhJLeXMzhUwT DSAIRsHCPtVWA== Subject: [Fot] EGT's again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fot, I know this has been brought up before but I don't know if there is any consensus. The question is two parts. EGT probe location and what are considered normal temps. Westach users guide will say the probes should be located 6" from the manifold but Sam H says you start getting flakey readings out there so he suggests 6" from the valve. That's right about where I'm at but I am seeing 1250 F on the EGT's but yet my plugs are telling a richer story. It's been suggested that any less than 3" from the manifold and the probe is right in the flame coming out of the valve and thus reading artificially high. So, just curious as to where peo ple locate thier probes and what kind of EGT's they see. When I read threads from other makes I hear about people considering 1400F as normal. It seems that if that were a true reading there would be some piston melting going on. Thanks again for the input, jim g _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 15:11:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27654276B for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.q.com (smtp.quartz.synacor.com [205.169.121.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EEC40521 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:09:19 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=MVt/OeM/O+V7psr6YXG+1g==:117 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=UAeywY8L2F0A:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=5uzyEDg2IGAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=BM2Wo2QsAAAA:8 a=ap775llBBHQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=gjmv-0fqc-o6eSIHJ1gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=d8-XDScYJTYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.quartz.synacor.com smtp.mail=cofrog@q.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.quartz.synacor.com header.from=cofrog@q.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.quartz.synacor.com: transitional domain q.com does not designate 10.30.7.251 as permitted sender) Received: from [10.30.7.251] ([10.30.7.251:38279] helo=md04.quartz.synacor.com) by smtp.q.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 9B/1B-25136-F233D915; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:05:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: cofrog@q.com To: Joe Guinan (Win)/6.0.8_GA_2685) Cc: klynch 6 , fot@autox.team.net, edenma@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] RMVR at HPR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to you for working a corner and to all the workers who enabled us to run the long course. I'm glad you enjoyed the weekend. I hope to see you and Terry Davis at Hastings. All who run High Plains give it high marks. I hope that folks decide to take a tow out here and check it out. It would be an outstanding track for a Kastner Cup except for it's relative remoteness for those who stay in Motels. I don't know if it's me but I'm unable to get any results on My Laps since they supposedly they "improved" the site. If anyone knows anything about what's up with My Laps please share. Due to Jim Gray having mechanical issues I was able to take D Production in the four races I ran with Jim Roelofs in lurking mode in his TR4. Dan Forgey _______________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:01:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C794142771 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35D340406 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:00:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AD52235F001E; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:57:22 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , "'Mike Moore'" , "'FOT'" References: <002c01ce562f$cef2e6c0$6cd8b440$@net> <07BD9CD3A38B4D4D8C962AFD053D81C4@TRIUMPH.local> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:58:08 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5W2ab/WqIL1RROQCi3Fs54gcExdgAZVn/Q Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We've been using NAPA DOT 4 Bake fluid for at least 5 years. The cans used to be marked "Low Moisture Absorbing" but are not marked as that any more. The wet boiling point is "at least 311 degrees F". We've never had any problems and bleed and change the fluid before each season. For what it's worth, the temperature of our front rotors coming off the track after a session range between 300 deg F and 450 deg. F. The large variation is probably dependent on the track and how for our paddock area is from the track exit. At any given track and paddock area, the number is pretty consistent. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04@tr4racer.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:46 AM To: Mike Moore; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Fluid I know this goes against what most are saying here, but I have never had an issue with Castrol LMA, the stuff you can buy off the shelf at most auto parts stores. With Vintage legal race tires, I don't think we can get enough heat into the brakes to boil Castrol LMA. Or at least I never have. . I change the fluid completely every off season, and between race weekends bleed the system enough to change out the fluid at all four corners. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake Fluid > What's the fluid of choice for you guys? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:13:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A0642761 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A05C4054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AF64260800F4; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:06:12 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Jim Norlin'" , References: <299F0176-AED1-42DD-AF60-E39F8DC524BE@REcatalyst.com> <519D01BB.7020802@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:06:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5XF6Eoplqas0tATvOYyzAEmhEx0gAKFeeQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ryan lost a tire when he was using the trailer (24 foot enclosed) to haul some surplus equipment, shelves, workbenches etc. The tire pretty much just disintegrated and he noticed it right away as the pieces were bouncing off the trailer making quite a racket. Fortunately he was only a couple of miles from the shop. We carry 12" square by 2" thick pieces of wood on the trailer and we were able to easily drive the tire that was left up onto a wood ramp to take off the old wheel and put on the spare. That was always our plan if we had a flat and it worked good. We then replaced all 4 tires with ones with a load rating of "E", I think they are 10 ply. The old ones were "D" load rated. The old tires were 6 years old without that many miles on them. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Norlin Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:35 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [VRG NewsGroup] Trailer tire info We lost the right rear trailer tire on the way to the Kastner Cup race at Laguna Seca. It was near Stockton on a really bumpy concrete section of I5. A passing driver started waving frantically at me as he passed - I never felt or heard a thing. It was pouring down rain and to top it off, the windshield wiper motor conked out as I was driving down the freeway off ramp. Put on my spare and then found a replacement wheel and tire to carry with me as a spare. I replaced all four of the remaining tires the next race weekend. I had my race tire dealer bring them to the track which was very convenient. On 5/22/2013 5:59 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I've been told that on a dual axle trailer, once a tire fails on one side, the > second is likely to go- either due to the sudden added load at speed, or > pieces of the adjacent tire beating on it as it disintegrates. > I've had the same experience with tires lasting 4-5 years and then all > failing within a narrow time span - if they don't pick up a nail first. > Trailer tires seem to be magnets for punctures. > I now carry two spares at all times, and a plug kit. > > I like the idea of going up a load range or two to keep them underloaded! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:29:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A804277B for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EECA403C5 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A2633540004C; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:18:59 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: , "'fot'" References: <730394590.1893398.1369253880777.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2039885319.1893570.1369254218846.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:19:48 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5XKoFOzJKDnXadTb2HTMDTYbVF+QAFyqjg Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We have a TR4 with about 11:1 CR. Our EGT's are mounted on #1 and #4 header pipes about 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 inches from the cylinder head. They are not exactly equal. #1 and #4 header pipes were used because they were a lot easier to get the probes on. At 3000 RPM "idle" (no load) we get between 800 and 1000 degrees. Down the straights we get between 1300 and 1400 degrees, WOT in 4th. One note for what it's worth: the pistons are being cooled every cycle by the incoming charge whereas the EGT probes do not get any appreciable cooling. Even the exhaust ports get some cooling from the water jacket. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:24 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] EGT's again Fot, I know this has been brought up before but I don't know if there is any consensus. The question is two parts. EGT probe location and what are considered normal temps. Westach users guide will say the probes should be located 6" from the manifold but Sam H says you start getting flakey readings out there so he suggests 6" from the valve. That's right about where I'm at but I am seeing 1250 F on the EGT's but yet my plugs are telling a richer story. It's been suggested that any less than 3" from the manifold and the probe is right in the flame coming out of the valve and thus reading artificially high. So, just curious as to where peo ple locate thier probes and what kind of EGT's they see. When I read threads from other makes I hear about people considering 1400F as normal. It seems that if that were a true reading there would be some piston melting going on. Thanks again for the input, jim g _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 19:15:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DCD4054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25199403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 549E7700000A1 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id A278FE000102 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:07:55 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369271287; bh=HX3kfLcWkaVYH3bTew2jZsMi5G+xVwtjeOi1u9lmJkA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=LHiBEh0YguBhDjZbbKBiw7JS7nc+4E9rHazZBP3ooJw4A9dOuFimOIJj9n5dUrflO iUMdziO9K3m6iNsZblBuIs2XFa3OJcqeENz/Fc8XhbOHn0D7xq59qtrCyluTqcvAw4 xPgpHG4GYw2oER0MAsHqcjiduHLsm/gLP5jdbSXc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3384519d6bf64759 Subject: [Fot] Fot Decals. 100 produced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I ordered and received 100 FOT decals today. $10 will get you two delivered to your address. Checks preferred, but PayPal is convenient. FOT 645 1st Street Jesup, IA. 50648 PayPal. N197tr4@cs.com Thanks Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 21:23:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C3E42772 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 25179403E3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 731 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2013 03:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 03:19:26 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=49731 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UfM3q-0008PI-7t; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:19:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:19:27 -0500 To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net,fot From: Tony Drews ryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <730394590.1893398.1369253880777.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2039885319.1893570.1369254218846.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run about 6" from the flange. I run 1400 in the 2nd half of the straights and have never seen any evidence of melting on my forget pistons. I suspect that thinner cast pistons may be more susceptible to melting. I also run 110 octane leaded and about 32 degrees of advance. Tony Drews At 03:23 PM 5/22/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >Fot, > >I know this has been brought up before but I don't know if there is >any consensus. > >The question is two parts. > >EGT probe location and what are considered normal temps. Westach >users guide will say the probes should be located > >6" from the manifold but Sam H says you start getting flakey >readings out there so he suggests 6" from the valve. > >That's right about where I'm at but I am seeing 1250 F on the EGT's >but yet my plugs are telling a richer story. > >It's been suggested that any less than 3" from the manifold and the >probe is right in the flame coming out of the valve and thus > >reading artificially high. > > > >So, just curious as to where peo ple locate thier probes and what >kind of EGT's they see. > >When I read threads from other makes I hear about people considering >1400F as normal. > >It seems that if that were a true reading there would be some piston >melting going on. > > > >Thanks again for the input, > >jim g >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 06:10:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8883D42715 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C24403D9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:07:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4NC3o1e012473 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:03:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I scanned the FOT archives quickly and maybe I missed seeing anything definitive on the subject. My "issue" is that since I switched from the stock TR6 clutch M/C to a Tilton unit, I've been having problems with clutch disk / flywheel glazing (and subsequent slippage). Now, the problem could be that I'm leaving my clutch foot resting on the clutch pedal, but I installed a dead pedal a while back - perhaps before the latest clutch installation - and in my videos, you can def hear what is either wheel spin or clutch slippage when I floor it. The Tilton clutch M/C that was installed has AN3 fittings and the stock setup is AN4. Is there any chance that the smaller hose / pipe can restrict the hydraulic motion in a way that can effect rapid clutch release? I'm next to positive that there's nothing stupid going on here, like a residual pressure valve or something like that. I'm 99% sure I can push the slave's pushrod and cause fluid to back-flow into the M/C reservior. This is really annoying because the original clutch setup (a 69 M/C with a used B&B PP and all "stock" stuff) lasted for 6 or 7 seasons and the new setup(s) only seem to last 1/2 season or so. That's like 50 autocross launches, max. BTW, the dead pedal is so awesome that I forget to push the clutch in when I start spinning. This has led to some pretty impressive 180's!!! Gotta work on that aspect of my driving, I guess. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 06:46:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607EE427D9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A29427A1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.98.85] (c-69-249-204-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [69.249.204.30]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MN900EQ14N0EB00@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:42:38 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-23_04:2013-05-23,2013-05-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305230093 From: Scott Janzen Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:42:37 -0400 To: fot References: <730394590.1893398.1369253880777.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2039885319.1893570.1369254218846.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20130523032321.5B5E340E67@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 2" from the head. 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees advance. Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 compression I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time with the webers to determine. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:27:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5339F4053E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EE3403F7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fQZu1l00616AWCU01SKNKE; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:19:22 +0000 Received: from sz0004.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fSKN1l0022xZMJ48SSKN8X; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:19:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:19:22 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Scott Janzen (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1369318762; bh=VnA66Ic49MnlJ1ryNpYu7krLYxyiX5SvhsmHvR4AuoY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hj419p8rciVD8gYPjNAHSLP95ZS7CiuG6osS+t0em/m9UpJDVmZn+8o+RZWP9xCGA G4Wc5jOZcZQqSxNZCYgTf3IY2sbTV5Nadjjzx4qQbTZHZ+31gRs9I1Qd3eqOYTPd4E 3tDZb1zjmm0s+7FRC7z6hPGVf236aXYtf7ZFIlaDi/l9YRz8RnAkRcJSNbBRcPRK22 sjntx7k6ypzCIwkc8Lm8mO4KJgqjqkeD4AV7qUZIvpt1lv0ld+DQ94FDbZmlftVo0m BfEqhjtWyX9dyIo72V3KNoWoZSaM1hon6P+jm3cPSkedxy2hKEL1X4NStkjJY1P6PV GXRKu2gp6/J0g== Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys for the input. We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the flange and 1362F for EGT's. Very helpful, Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again 2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees advance. Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 compression I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time with the webers to determine. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:34:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7937D4053A for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DFF94006E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18620 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2013 14:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 14:30:00 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=54604 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UfWWm-0004YL-Jk; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:30:00 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:30:01 -0500 To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net,Scott Janzen From: Tony Drews yville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <368095554.1913386.1369318762003.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net By the way, my carb jetting was determined on an engine Dyno, and included the use of an air/fuel ratio gauge. So, I just noted the EGT's produced at that time as "baseline". Tony Drews At 09:19 AM 5/23/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >Thanks guys for the input. > >We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange > >and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the flange and >1362F for EGT's. > >Very helpful, > >Jim G. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Scott Janzen" >To: "fot" >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again > >2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees advance. >Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 compression >I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time with the webers to >determine. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:44:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7665B4052F for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A70403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:41:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MN9009R7CROHW80@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:38:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Tony Drews" , , "Scott Janzen" References: <368095554.1913386.1369318762003.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20130523143414.5CD584054E@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:38:17 -0400 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, what kind of A/F ratio setup do you use? And what ratio do you shoot for? Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: ; "Scott Janzen" Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages > By the way, my carb jetting was determined on an engine Dyno, and included > the use of an air/fuel ratio gauge. So, I just noted the EGT's produced > at that time as "baseline". > > Tony Drews > > At 09:19 AM 5/23/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>Thanks guys for the input. >> >>We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange >> >>and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the flange >>and >>1362F for EGT's. >> >>Very helpful, >> >>Jim G. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>From: "Scott Janzen" >>To: "fot" >>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again >> >>2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees >>advance. >>Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 compression >>I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time with the webers >>to >>determine. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:53:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D22403F5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A93D403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU178-DS5 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 23 May 2013 08:49:26 -0700 From: "K LYNCH" To: "FOT" Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:49:27 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:49:27 -0600 FILETIME=[1A3B9E30:01CE57CD] Subject: [Fot] LBC parts quest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi gang. I'm looking for a pair of seats from a (57'?) A.H. 100-4. I realize this is a longshot, but thought I'd run this up the flag-pole. Thanks in advance ! Kev Lynch Colo. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:01:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A971840527 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 01AB5403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30011 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2013 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=55965 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UfXto-0006Kj-8M; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:57:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:57:53 -0500 To: "Bill Tobin" From: Tony Drews References: <368095554.1913386.1369318762003.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20130523143414.5CD584054E@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I made best power when the car ran slightly "rich", a bit richer than stoichiometric ie 13:1. I ended up with best power closer to 12.5:1. So, some of the high EGT is due to fuel still burning when the exhaust port opens. The A/F meter was at the dyno, I don't have one in my car. The leaded gas kills the A/F pickup. I bought a new one for the dyno session and we killed it by the end of the testing. Tony Drews At 10:38 AM 5/23/2013, Bill Tobin wrote: >Tony, what kind of A/F ratio setup do you use? And what ratio do you >shoot for? >Thanks, Bill >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: ; "Scott Janzen" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages > > >>By the way, my carb jetting was determined on an engine Dyno, and >>included the use of an air/fuel ratio gauge. So, I just noted the >>EGT's produced at that time as "baseline". >> >>Tony Drews >> >>At 09:19 AM 5/23/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>>Thanks guys for the input. >>> >>>We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange >>> >>>and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the flange and >>>1362F for EGT's. >>> >>>Very helpful, >>> >>>Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>>From: "Scott Janzen" >>>To: "fot" >>>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again >>> >>>2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 >>>degrees advance. >>>Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 compression >>>I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time with the webers to >>>determine. >>_______________________________________________ >>fot@autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:35:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8FC40402 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:35:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D88B403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fSez1l0021afHeLA8UY7Gl; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:32:07 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fUY61l00M2yr1eL8dUY6uA; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:32:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:32:06 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Fot@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1369326727; bh=CH5K/eakfBk4SDDCPb2byxFGgWQN9lRK/PZ4q2yAG60=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=D1qJ0VBG9+seBd5RnMR1nboLgFSSjWeHlMgY/O0ChdmchY7X4lfBlLFsIy2SYREP3 998YWXLPH8hiwTcGPLIC+OKGxIR8kbm0Cb/4JNFe6mD8+xgBp7LSrxhvQWhCoJu/gv oGIl4G1AlbqZK+VnWS8e7vcwX8bktlm2c1rMj0yH2Lz4Su5Y33OtCdHIAhuDdJ1oxp +Z+6pOc4gtVot0mFWQn0AEWi8n1wrELr64Xn6MHcRy3zh+jOb1+11sU5Pzj7pEJubH 5OrAFVAT7Bf9ppIWSI+6Es6zdMsBbLxvGt4ZODkXC4GeM9DNGMCzoAElxsC2Udl6ND fUd1NZ7jadYkA== Subject: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello friends, I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have put over 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over and they've been squealing like crazy driving around town between stops sometimes. I ordered a set of performance street pads from Moss and the outside pad will not fit in the caliper. It's obvious that the rotor is not centered in the caliper, but the Hawk pads went in no problem, so I hadn't noticed the offset until trying to fit other pads. I got another set of street pads, thinking the Moss pads where fat and same problem. I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not remanufactured, calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I called BPN thinking the caliper might be the problem and they have had no other calls on this. Perhaps the hub dimensions are off. I guess I'll have to shave the outside pads to fit them, but has anyone else come across this issue. I'll be measuring things and hopefully find out what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" will have to come off the pad. Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:44:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB5640525 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00475403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2433870062E20 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B3044E000167 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:36:58 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369327018; bh=zzj64IeL75rLT0CungscdJW4EVSCRl+CJgklrTI4r7s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=O8hhte0K1DnTq43LBcJvUCDYYETqB1j5rNJPGxnyN+dme5aGaJPrpTbYw/tW/uCzA OewVeQ1IUlRIuUF33Fp0+h0yO+/RGHXLr35xPHiXjteWVb4DF9eGhXofueydvg9C04 kBghdq3R3XBr1AsHb/iD14QS5XdCIEPpBjUo9q/w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3384519e45a90e7c Subject: [Fot] FOT Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There about 20 decals spoken for. I would like to do several at once, so if you are thinking about, please go ahead. And then I can put the money back in the FOT Fund, too. It wouldn't hurt thank the 22 folks who recently made contributions to the fund. This really makes planning and decisions much easier. While I am at it, if you have an outstanding balance on your Lester Garage stall, please remit ASAP. Jason and I reviewed our paddock area last Friday and it continues to seem ideal. Thanks, Joe _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:45:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0230403F1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 423AC403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16647 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2013 16:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 16:37:38 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=57104 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UfYWI-0005Bd-5Q; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:37:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:37:39 -0500 To: davehogye ,Fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews yville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <869313408.2212219.1369326726574.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's not uncommon to have to shim the caliper to center it up. For racing, I recommend Carbotech, AX6 compound (www.ctbrakes.com ). We didn't like the Hawke Blue's much - needed warmup or they locked easily, were hard on the rotors and left little bits of molten rotor stuck in the paint of the wheel. Cheers, Tony At 11:32 AM 5/23/2013, davehogye wrote: >Hello friends, >I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have >put over 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over >and they've been squealing like crazy driving around town between >stops sometimes. I ordered a set of performance street pads from >Moss and the outside pad will not fit in the caliper. It's obvious >that the rotor is not centered in the caliper, but the Hawk pads >went in no problem, so I hadn't noticed the offset until trying to >fit other pads. I got another set of street pads, thinking the Moss >pads where fat and same problem. >I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not >remanufactured, calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I >called BPN thinking the caliper might be the problem and they have >had no other calls on this. Perhaps the hub dimensions are off. I >guess I'll have to shave the outside pads to fit them, but has >anyone else come across this issue. I'll be measuring things and >hopefully find out what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" >will have to come off the pad. > > >Thanks, >Dave >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:52:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165AF40533 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f45.google.com (mail-bk0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9651403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:52:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id je9so1341297bkc.4 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:48:53 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=xzbMGeTjHO8hcJHTKOso9miONUe0El2q/0FObsjzUsc=; b=cfwBF+iAI40UTkS38nr9hD9QeSgqJwBjV1m1HmjxacieGovWLHY/7HukUy2DiSjVnh L3sSaw3PW2K+P08iW3UHw+obIZel6pOStW+JKbFVBAh6Se6zoi8PiAPMcfvsr4aNx487 GFjUSavRESJ6h/y9ad+R3K3eahTs2RY6IseOMpUYHQBP8EnWOnCQ3t4NwSQV0q291r3O VEypKk5HmNaVV1jf7vGjBngsmk3+A9h+OAqsBNC3cguusztAXb9n+9/AahY0bgjA2VmH DzmhG8EWNUFyk6H3+ifA+hsdRGCUtOJYxTcxQoxROjE7aHUBMtH+XpOv8hp40GtqaYhi 77xw== ox1mr7381361bkb.35.1369327733839; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-84-143-1.web.vodafone.de. [109.84.143.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cv9sm3549070bkb.5.2013.05.23.09.48.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 09:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'davehogye'" , References: <869313408.2212219.1369326726574.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:48:54 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5X0xmgwd2Wq5ffSdGEuChdKQuGBQAAiO9A Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run EBC yellow stuff. They always fit well. But they are not aggressive pads. They do a gentle job, especially on the wet. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von davehogye Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2013 18:32 An: Fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Hello friends, I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have put over 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over and they've been squealing like crazy driving around town between stops sometimes. I ordered a set of performance street pads from Moss and the outside pad will not fit in the caliper. It's obvious that the rotor is not centered in the caliper, but the Hawk pads went in no problem, so I hadn't noticed the offset until trying to fit other pads. I got another set of street pads, thinking the Moss pads where fat and same problem. I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not remanufactured, calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I called BPN thinking the caliper might be the problem and they have had no other calls on this. Perhaps the hub dimensions are off. I guess I'll have to shave the outside pads to fit them, but has anyone else come across this issue. I'll be measuring things and hopefully find out what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" will have to come off the pad. Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 11:35:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD6C4041B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB428403BB for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so1925947pde.4 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=cwdHU+ukVMfkvnL/MSoXuAzi3kL76mw39Wzwd8i7L90=; b=AcK84hT2qIqpmZ1uZNUhbzGiRLx/mZsRnpxdou9t6l6LNCURUZiq4BOTV+hyBt/6Ea qWfnZBtuzDR7urZ6BE1cKCoxM1l8r4xWHuK2R9PjjccilXq9HoEEmub0VX8uQ6VLVLwD DoZyG8UIuJXPCnwxciSf8tjWvFgHJHTb0gLenAI7Zj/bg8kE5hCCIk7IQSUxy0QsHywq E7ocpFgIjHZQjCzvUb2FZaxPXn6Q/XgGzs8oOxRURlRxhHG4rHbaAQtop+L79uDU+3xq kcMngeBLCZgqrRhrP2Tvu5wpB+H0/moLIl5dY5qtk+mIbMWzgrIHqX2WkgoH4USoIeK/ YYLw== Thu, 23 May 2013 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.24] (ppp187-21.broadband.gorge.net. [209.216.187.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nt2sm12511882pbc.17.2013.05.23.10.31.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:31:33 -0700 References: <869313408.2212219.1369326726574.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> To: davehogye Cc: Fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sure, it's a common problem with aftermarket calipers. You can shim the calipers to center them, or shave the pads. Easiest way to shave pads it to put a flat metal plate on a drill press and chuck a cup grinding wheel in the drill. Slide the pad around under the cup to remove layers. wear a respirator. Mr. Kastner told me about this many years ago as a way to eliminate taper from a worn or glazed disk. Works great. On May 23, 2013, at 9:32 AM, davehogye wrote: > Hello friends, > I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have put over 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over and they've been squealing like crazy driving around town between stops sometimes. I ordered a set of performance street pads from Moss and the outside pad will not fit in the caliper. It's obvious that the rotor is not centered in the caliper, but the Hawk pads went in no problem, so I hadn't noticed the offset until trying to fit other pads. I got another set of street pads, thinking the Moss pads where fat and same problem. > I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not remanufactured, calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I called BPN thinking the caliper might be the problem and they have had no other calls on this. Perhaps the hub dimensions are off. I guess I'll have to shave the outside pads to fit them, but has anyone else come across this issue. I'll be measuring things and hopefully find out what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" will have to come off the pad. > > > Thanks, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 12:10:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB4740525 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E2140398 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4NI6vxB020239; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:07:01 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Tony Drews'" , "'davehogye'" , References: <869313408.2212219.1369326726574.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20130523164525.3890340527@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:06:56 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5X1HBae9kNs71gRsmXEAFFK1pJKgAC01Gw a=oR_DWX4x9IwA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=20f_rN4dAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=upCxKhDBCdDaoTJmo0wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=ySsbOLlyV8UA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=pThmkd5litSrlbgX:21 a=SO6BXR414jAfNyVo:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We use Carbotech in my TR3A race car as well. Be sure and tell Mike (704-481-8554) they are for your TR3 so they won't make them too thick as used in some of the NASCAR applications. My part # is CTGD500-AX6. He has a record under my name as to the correct thickness..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:38 PM To: davehogye; Fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit It's not uncommon to have to shim the caliper to center it up. For racing, I recommend Carbotech, AX6 compound (www.ctbrakes.com ). We didn't like the Hawke Blue's much - needed warmup or they locked easily, were hard on the rotors and left little bits of molten rotor stuck in the paint of the wheel. Cheers, Tony At 11:32 AM 5/23/2013, davehogye wrote: >Hello friends, >I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have put >over 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over and >they've been squealing like crazy driving around town between stops >sometimes. I ordered a set of performance street pads from Moss and the >outside pad will not fit in the caliper. It's obvious that the rotor is >not centered in the caliper, but the Hawk pads went in no problem, so I >hadn't noticed the offset until trying to fit other pads. I got another >set of street pads, thinking the Moss pads where fat and same problem. >I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not >remanufactured, calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I >called BPN thinking the caliper might be the problem and they have had >no other calls on this. Perhaps the hub dimensions are off. I guess >I'll have to shave the outside pads to fit them, but has anyone else >come across this issue. I'll be measuring things and hopefully find out >what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" >will have to come off the pad. > > >Thanks, >Dave >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 12:19:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815884053A for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCF540067 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:15:41 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Tony Drews' , Bill Tobin Thread-Topic: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Thread-Index: AQHOV8uLSKxBR6LK0UC3WVhXwM39npkTQMuA///POyA= Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:15:41 +0000 References: <368095554.1913386.1369318762003.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20130523143414.5CD584054E@autox.team.net> <20130523160133.66B3E40543@autox.team.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony wrote: << a bit richer than stoichiometric, ie 13:1. >> And I said "...wait, what?". 13:1? I have always heard that gasoline fuel stoich point was 14.7. A little research says Tony's right as usual. I've been reading my A/F meter at 14.5 or so and thinking that was a good thing. Time to turn the adjusting nuts out a few flats and take a look at the plugs... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:58 AM To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages I made best power when the car ran slightly "rich", a bit richer than stoichiometric ie 13:1. I ended up with best power closer to 12.5:1. So, some of the high EGT is due to fuel still burning when the exhaust port opens. The A/F meter was at the dyno, I don't have one in my car. The leaded gas kills the A/F pickup. I bought a new one for the dyno session and we killed it by the end of the testing. Tony Drews At 10:38 AM 5/23/2013, Bill Tobin wrote: >Tony, what kind of A/F ratio setup do you use? And what ratio do you >shoot for? >Thanks, Bill >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: ; "Scott Janzen" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages > > >>By the way, my carb jetting was determined on an engine Dyno, and >>included the use of an air/fuel ratio gauge. So, I just noted the >>EGT's produced at that time as "baseline". >> >>Tony Drews >> >>At 09:19 AM 5/23/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>>Thanks guys for the input. >>> >>>We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange >>> >>>and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the >>>flange and 1362F for EGT's. >>> >>>Very helpful, >>> >>>Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>>From: "Scott Janzen" >>>To: "fot" >>>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again >>> >>>2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees >>>advance. >>>Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 >>>compression I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time >>>with the webers to determine. >>_______________________________________________ >>fot@autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 12:35:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45834053C for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B6BF0403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30638 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2013 18:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 18:31:34 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=57415 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UfaIX-00073M-UD; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:31:34 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 13:31:34 -0500 To: "Barr, Scott" , Bill Tobin From: Tony Drews y-law.com> References: <368095554.1913386.1369318762003.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20130523143414.5CD584054E@autox.team.net> <20130523160133.66B3E40543@autox.team.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA73202C0590@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net 14.7:1 is for unleaded gas / cat converter. The EPA redefined it for us. Tony At 01:15 PM 5/23/2013, Barr, Scott wrote: >Tony wrote: << a bit richer than stoichiometric, ie 13:1. >> > >And I said "...wait, what?". 13:1? I have always heard that >gasoline fuel stoich point was 14.7. A little research says Tony's >right as usual. I've been reading my A/F meter at 14.5 or so and >thinking that was a good thing. > >Time to turn the adjusting nuts out a few flats and take a look at >the plugs... > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Tony Drews >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:58 AM >To: Bill Tobin >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages > >I made best power when the car ran slightly "rich", a bit richer >than stoichiometric ie 13:1. I ended up with best power closer to >12.5:1. So, some of the high EGT is due to fuel still burning when >the exhaust port opens. > >The A/F meter was at the dyno, I don't have one in my car. The >leaded gas kills the A/F pickup. I bought a new one for the dyno >session and we killed it by the end of the testing. > >Tony Drews > >At 10:38 AM 5/23/2013, Bill Tobin wrote: > >Tony, what kind of A/F ratio setup do you use? And what ratio do you > >shoot for? > >Thanks, Bill > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > >To: ; "Scott Janzen" > >Cc: "fot" > >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages > > > > > >>By the way, my carb jetting was determined on an engine Dyno, and > >>included the use of an air/fuel ratio gauge. So, I just noted the > >>EGT's produced at that time as "baseline". > >> > >>Tony Drews > >> > >>At 09:19 AM 5/23/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > >>>Thanks guys for the input. > >>> > >>>We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange > >>> > >>>and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the > >>>flange and 1362F for EGT's. > >>> > >>>Very helpful, > >>> > >>>Jim G. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >>> > >>>From: "Scott Janzen" > >>>To: "fot" > >>>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again > >>> > >>>2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees > >>>advance. > >>>Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 > >>>compression I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time > >>>with the webers to determine. > >>_______________________________________________ > >>fot@autox.team.net > >> > >>http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:09:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F7240518 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F140396 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:08:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fShU1l0070vp7WLAFX5N7d; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:05:22 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fX3N1l00K2xZMJ48RX3NoB; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:03:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 19:03:22 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: john hasty s=q20121106; t=1369335922; bh=tDRUmut+kZlsEAoEq6ysSaucuvqvnQQ12cc1vfRgF5M=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Ny8pS0FE/nOa68/8XXgLwgF6APfXvZlKaisycqlfMzD/g6Ut+YbYqeWEYBogtTloQ srVB0T7im3m28KwX1zcWTe2lfRVDcYxX887pRIltE9wdEEDlbnCfeakppHEQEabKXn 4p6OO3Hg18GbmKX8ci/x/OXC95BmgiWYJsYbuOLnVxwh9i9/zNc1BxwtbAIMjwC5Vl jM7eWw1stQrF8/vG6JxTF0dQl/3Bfrh+MZph2XQaPxdQi23t8itJf/Vjv9+iIWNoAO BhULh1oD4724RGnjtZTaMhDQZtN1Am5hrbwY3dJjjs1xx/V8QJPNu3ViwL5WnCa0ux Q2LOnmvAtiG6A== Cc: Fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everybody for the great response to my "problem", not too much. Thanks for the inside info with Carbotech, John. Yes Joe, but the caliper would have to move outward. Tony suggested shimming the carrier. Not a bad idea. I'd like to get the thing centered up. The path of least resistance would be to shave the pads. Thanks Bill, for suggesting the respirator. It's nice to know someone cares. Maybe I'll just move my drill press outside. It's a beautiful breezy day here in Santa Cruz and I won't get my shop all dusty. I'll wear a respirator and hold my breath too. This group is my favorite by far, racers rule, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "john hasty" To: "Tony Drews" , "davehogye" , Fot@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:06:56 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit We use Carbotech in my TR3A race car as well. Be sure and tell Mike (704-481-8554) they are for your TR3 so they won't make them too thick as used in some of the NASCAR applications. My part # is CTGD500-AX6. He has a record under my name as to the correct thickness..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:38 PM To: davehogye; Fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit It's not uncommon to have to shim the caliper to center it up. For racing, I recommend Carbotech, AX6 compound (www.ctbrakes.com ). We didn't like the Hawke Blue's much - needed warmup or they locked easily, were hard on the rotors and left little bits of molten rotor stuck in the paint of the wheel. Cheers, Tony At 11:32 AM 5/23/2013, davehogye wrote: >Hello friends, >I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have put >over 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over and >they've been squealing like crazy driving around town between stops >sometimes. I ordered a set of performance street pads from Moss and the >outside pad will not fit in the caliper. It's obvious that the rotor is >not centered in the caliper, but the Hawk pads went in no problem, so I >hadn't noticed the offset until trying to fit other pads. I got another >set of street pads, thinking the Moss pads where fat and same problem. >I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not >remanufactured, calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I >called BPN thinking the caliper might be the problem and they have had >no other calls on this. Perhaps the hub dimensions are off. I guess >I'll have to shave the outside pads to fit them, but has anyone else >come across this issue. I'll be measuring things and hopefully find out >what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" >will have to come off the pad. > > >Thanks, >Dave >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 14:20:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6754053F for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C11440402 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130523201536194; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:15:36 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 526360155; Thu, 23 May 2013 15:15:29 -0500 From: To: "Barr, Scott" , "'Tony Drews'" , "Bill Tobin" References: <368095554.1913386.1369318762003.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20130523143414.5CD584054E@autox.team.net><20130523160133.66B3E40543@autox.team.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA73202C0590@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:15:26 -0500 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We recently put our ChumpCar Alfa 116 on a chassis dyno and learned lots of neat stuff. Like, we were at 13:1 and thought it was good. We adjusted the fuel injection to 12.5 and picked up a few horsepower until the ratio started to slowly lean out to 13.1: at 5k rpm. This told us we had a fuel delivery problem of some sort that we had not been aware of. Also told us there was some more hp on the table. Our dyno operator was very helpful and knowledgeable. Money and time VERY well spent. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:15 PM To: 'Tony Drews' ; Bill Tobin Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages Tony wrote: << a bit richer than stoichiometric, ie 13:1. >> And I said "...wait, what?". 13:1? I have always heard that gasoline fuel stoich point was 14.7. A little research says Tony's right as usual. I've been reading my A/F meter at 14.5 or so and thinking that was a good thing. Time to turn the adjusting nuts out a few flats and take a look at the plugs... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:58 AM To: Bill Tobin Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages I made best power when the car ran slightly "rich", a bit richer than stoichiometric ie 13:1. I ended up with best power closer to 12.5:1. So, some of the high EGT is due to fuel still burning when the exhaust port opens. The A/F meter was at the dyno, I don't have one in my car. The leaded gas kills the A/F pickup. I bought a new one for the dyno session and we killed it by the end of the testing. Tony Drews At 10:38 AM 5/23/2013, Bill Tobin wrote: >Tony, what kind of A/F ratio setup do you use? And what ratio do you >shoot for? >Thanks, Bill >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: ; "Scott Janzen" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again... the averages > > >>By the way, my carb jetting was determined on an engine Dyno, and >>included the use of an air/fuel ratio gauge. So, I just noted the >>EGT's produced at that time as "baseline". >> >>Tony Drews >> >>At 09:19 AM 5/23/2013, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>>Thanks guys for the input. >>> >>>We see probes mounted anywhere from 1.75 " to 6" from the flange >>> >>>and EGT's from 1300 to 1400. So it's an average of 3.9" from the >>>flange and 1362F for EGT's. >>> >>>Very helpful, >>> >>>Jim G. >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>>From: "Scott Janzen" >>>To: "fot" >>>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:42:37 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Fot] EGT's again >>> >>>2" from the head. B 1300 degrees on the GT6 at 7000 RPM, 32 degrees >>>advance. >>>Tailpipe is tan/grey, leaded 110, forged Venolia pistons, 12:1 >>>compression I suspect I could lean it out a bit - need some dyne time >>>with the webers to determine. >>_______________________________________________ >>fot@autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6350 - Release Date: 05/23/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 16:27:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9A2427E2 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F364427A7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MN900ELUVIHJQ30@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for Fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:23:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Bill Babcock" , "davehogye" References: <869313408.2212219.1369326726574.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:23:10 -0400 Cc: Fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck to true mine. However if you don't happen to have a surface grinder........... That drill press trick works well. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "davehogye" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake pads don't fit > Sure, it's a common problem with aftermarket calipers. You can shim the > calipers to center them, or shave the pads. Easiest way to shave pads it > to > put a flat metal plate on a drill press and chuck a cup grinding wheel in > the > drill. Slide the pad around under the cup to remove layers. wear a > respirator. > > Mr. Kastner told me about this many years ago as a way to eliminate taper > from > a worn or glazed disk. Works great. > On May 23, 2013, at 9:32 AM, davehogye wrote: > >> Hello friends, >> I've been driving my TR3 on the street with Hawk blue pads and have put >> over > 500 miles on them now. They make a mess of dust all over and they've been > squealing like crazy driving around town between stops sometimes. I > ordered a > set of performance street pads from Moss and the outside pad will not fit > in > the caliper. It's obvious that the rotor is not centered in the caliper, > but > the Hawk pads went in no problem, so I hadn't noticed the offset until > trying > to fit other pads. I got another set of street pads, thinking the Moss > pads > where fat and same problem. >> I have TR3 uprights, TR4A-TR6 caliper carriers and new, not >> remanufactured, > calipers from BPNorthwest and new aluminum hubs. I called BPN thinking the > caliper might be the problem and they have had no other calls on this. > Perhaps > the hub dimensions are off. I guess I'll have to shave the outside pads to > fit > them, but has anyone else come across this issue. I'll be measuring things > and > hopefully find out what's going on, but it looks like at least .050" will > have > to come off the pad. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:03:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2164054D for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA25340531 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C1079700000B6 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 58110E00013C for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:48:09 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369411168; bh=97ZlCzafqRsI23TdpoKEC1p/AwDetbdXyGOmiQdBY0k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=GRlMKRue3Sk8MyH5bfNYsoG6ulWERX9tJdhMjM+QfGCWyq5xkKgQQ5CNwB7gy2fFk 4708FOlnaKWSb7HZiOzVZkEvQ2BdXDqEfKyD4HSdlLdpTiZl6Y5BLL4X/Z55KIy8hB T/r8nMlXv6/syiEhYy6zRSOnIZD8A4ZTWwir+1PY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903519f8e6048e4 Subject: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Nine responded with orders for 24 decals. PayPal paid decals going out today. Addresses from those sending checks would get those out. We have 76 left, so they are now available for awhile. Joe A Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:35:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F5740C00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66548403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 16:26:20 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.45] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 16:26:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 16:26:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369412780; bh=WfzgzR0DFwOP04dGOOcWq399zlrmEGGKOD3ePeHT98A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Ic+yxzHD60uCVJA4bHy2LICvLHyu+hMd4dIVPzHI280e3Fm9dB8ujTxnFDM51nCwyryjO0RUdt/3NWZphHLNQjlw20qG/JKTm1xbSp/E2+8x5M/ozU2Tgacj7636VoQ9zte3w7v1cKxNVRzmHwwkmwCXuaekHIyc/xMFvGLCRbU= AUHEFYnO5sqo0VS608TpUryc9arnTgtiaQKPNikVGZq819eHH2A7gnhCOO6u OT9IPxKkDwVM.v4mWJT.XL7pSsvb.t2X4X3we2d95O9rLCftZTt_wxV9nsdY TtNu8Gac3UbwrbxelKfGE2WYsdcASJOjBu7rF._YwYrpIL1g7JLBikEyDx5K 8s_GoXBOYJRMOOz4SJBCdxxbHPMhmT9mwGPtYo9MUaWRnQoGFQ2ezVPMNH.U OT9rZCr5B0NmGIVbobsve.V7UmQ1JYYdztasXdgkcb2JKUxsOk1TiZuzNBgD PsmcTXDm2ODxmmvMQxTakGj4BSCYsxMuSOR58.oLup9N7tzfQDI3a7DDJ99T VP6LTPpbWzRxBsBv20u6OTgjCJNKazr05UIYneV9sGZEuWYLdBfrZTGaacTL NTEL9nLn67KDiuaI0Akqis52F.zDDENhcQ_NQ6sI19e7dnhd8WrYpbuVQYIE Vp0JeEAKdG5NqcWCsFrDCRiqixpTh7nwy_5FTc2T_ ) by smtp113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 09:26:20 -0700 PDT References: From: Andy Packard Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:26:17 -0700 To: Joe Alexander Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I looked into having patches made with the FOT logo. Would people be interested in these or have they been done already? Andy Packard Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Nine responded with orders for 24 decals. > > PayPal paid decals going out today. > > Addresses from those sending checks would get those out. > > We have 76 left, so they are now available for awhile. > > Joe A > > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:50:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53464055D for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3929140043 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 652AD7005E3FA; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id AC07EE000093; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:38:14 -0400 (EDT) References: <65BB7DED-B7ED-45AE-B5EA-5674DEFAEA6B@att.net> From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:38:15 -0500 To: Andy Packard x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369413495; bh=hryUsyn9x2+6C56hFV6PQZIKieQ9RkWpFKrsIKHRI7E=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=qErjRScqLivF19S6z02UDuzaXOthzMTxrfdxUF6ulihm3Sj8CGNZCG4Tbjyy6FzGk aMiv/IHUDp4lhcQPFheimhehbdNOhr4cMU5GsIv8xtslHqU3WlYUJERcqP5xXo6YcN k1PyjfoHIYh4o2FZkmaLyF1WtWpIiYPePJiSjc6Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2906519f97760899 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They have been done in the past and I suspect they would go over very well, again. The logo has become a sign of distinction. Fortunately, we have great TR folks stepping up to the plate and volunteering. Timing on this is very good. We will look very good at Road America. I don't remember who did it last. You might get preorders and order a few more in addition. We can pay for them out the FOT FUND. We could sell some at the track to get the money back. Regalia is good, but a lot of work. Thanks Andy. Your call on proceeding. Joe A Sent from my iPad On May 24, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Andy Packard wrote: > I looked into having patches made with the FOT logo. Would people be interested in these or have they been done already? > > Andy Packard > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Nine responded with orders for 24 decals. >> >> PayPal paid decals going out today. >> >> Addresses from those sending checks would get those out. >> >> We have 76 left, so they are now available for awhile. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 12:38:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746CF40522 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AB2C7403B2 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 18:30:22 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.208] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 18:30:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 18:30:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369420222; bh=K7tpH6fZmR9keYEpsd//GcWDnJbe7xhjQRZFAZ11piA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=Owte5AXnM+RGBzFlLho8/WKzpyRcVMy3ByWt9z1NJHamtnSlx0jEo3ZpoKxaOIFJfHQJ3JgcyVcGlTVmtHw5cj30+bjeCwwUrrRrIEUk3qm519Og0egL4eW1DDZvhLKgZhaDO4FjtXogqIWIftKyWYB/U5deu1Z07wKEDKkeons= aD2iZNpH__K2E1LVp8gXoXARnu_Bzq432wLV3CJ7VKlcqo.tbewwUs7y_DLZ uk.gHA5eWMWHbQOKKMG7nsGJlaGc6htYha3b8W2DrcRNI19Xjpl6rQkDUZYp QCNbCEHQrUn4_lbaImviwOPkJkanSfie1E1BIhSWZyoyqA34Ge.2kQZcX_jN QWlO2wtNXz4Qsz4fjghZuZXjdvYOHMCCB9tSN1SKZiGvF9lU972tJakXi1aW 35cUJW074hHYTMYZ_buK44Kwa7nISTD0QRwElkAjgU5OZnQegTMH9kbtU.zr 9pcP6TSV9YUMYiy7MOL9YvpWF_un8H3Yw4e._1iqaj8b1YSPwAFxhRJdixlk _4XPTRu72YRU94QOr31VccVdW69RQkB8NtONYeMh5S8scNj_zypHe8zEzVwW jm1GLvdhD7gQoHNwQLk.hRbobFvm8b8PVzVWq4I1M5ZwUFKUuXvhNK.G.QXM Be_JWOJKjrQ3WY3lNsFRI3EcP8dAVPq7CJw-- ) by smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 18:30:22 +0000 UTC References: <65BB7DED-B7ED-45AE-B5EA-5674DEFAEA6B@att.net> From: Jaxon Racing Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:30:17 -0400 To: Andy Packard Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like one for my drivers suit Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Andy Packard wrote: > I looked into having patches made with the FOT logo. Would people be > interested in these or have they been done already? > > Andy Packard > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Nine responded with orders for 24 decals. >> >> PayPal paid decals going out today. >> >> Addresses from those sending checks would get those out. >> >> We have 76 left, so they are now available for awhile. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 13:25:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8352640547 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s12.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s12.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548B840042 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT141-W9 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s12.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 May 2013 18:21:55 -0700 From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: "cofrog@q.com" , Joe Guinan Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:21:54 -0700 References: <001301ce5625$41a7d5a0$c4f780e0$@rr.com>, <512170910.1165290.1369256751291.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> FILETIME=[E98BABF0:01CE5753] Cc: klynch 6 , "fot@autox.team.net" , "edenma@aol.com" Subject: Re: [Fot] RMVR at HPR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The folks that Run High plains Raceway are GREAT (fun) ! I went a couple of years ago for Formula B get together. Track is tricky/busy and a couple of really quick (pull up ya big boy panty's) type corners. Yes, The good hotels are 50 ? freeway miles away, but not really big deal. > Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:05:51 -0400 > From: cofrog@q.com > To: joeg@neb.rr.com > CC: klynch_6@msn.com; fot@autox.team.net; edenma@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] RMVR at HPR > > Thanks to you for working a corner and to all the workers who enabled us to run the long course. I'm glad you enjoyed the weekend. I hope to see you and Terry Davis at Hastings. > > All who run High Plains give it high marks. I hope that folks decide to take a tow out here and check it out. It would be an outstanding track for a Kastner Cup except for it's relative remoteness for those who stay in Motels. > > I don't know if it's me but I'm unable to get any results on My Laps since they supposedly they "improved" the site. If anyone knows anything about what's up with My Laps please share. Due to Jim Gray having mechanical issues I was able to take D Production in the four races I ran with Jim Roelofs in lurking mode in his TR4. > > Dan Forgey > > > _______________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog@q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 14:25:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9674440528 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm31-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4353E403D7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 14:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 20:21:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.237] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 20:21:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 20:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 31909 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2013 20:21:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369426909; bh=6eSr1Drn8ZiwoQbLvxpLELPka/wtWwwhgvqdUqBAwyw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JFO3kpomaF1+sCFSSVpNPgB9LAeMU+gRfq7cCBl3TTsR9jXmqzuqZ/ei6m4rE9MkM3oFv6mciiJ2WwwHzntqJQeE/kuTa/krauPgam8FCBy6ZiqPv1eQsfDYvi+8AVG/3kFcLbNQHvZg36pNyE+rfkQiW0MCkq6cU/Wq3aRRnKw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kvNxtbJe2TvCPcBtsIirXmYSRd4uuTOp9qPjMJerTLW2c0e5dmkavqVnHuNyhsR0YITjEdLfOXN3U/AwrQpjHFzWq1KHOeQ1X0llMA1LwPEPg6896In4fsH7uXhkQiGPB5lAM4BbW5IswLoweEZL9lWFErxsCNrYoKpVP9dR4Ak=; LrzVlQMz27Lghv40jr8YbhGdfygce7oKMTOdkoNQJA8XoMKXuGgSNmbZbP6T yHC7mAq.7c4dyWmBj197TAnhenjLDC46s6ZReUytZB_6ed8o9jWoMym6giZJ HPwBB5nqFs.y3mFsAcVQmSnJdA93NS6IBOFThltP3GhFMk19_ApBniA5k_Ld 8mLqPgrqLyIHicO8Ze9vwdL0wrTa9AdS4ClUHOGYIabAHVpjBEyJCRw0jN7v .wjbsEhAmlSLYRM3bfrQLpJqF5m7mQ3awE2M5ppRZWfuDC5PBkuUe40jP.lz _GVn_2Fgk0L5aOM319m7Dw2FZfDoHUTH40YMlBtCtNPBU5264BZIBEilsjf8 R.LAFjDQ4khPNpfUKgZyEwoVn9aUlS3WXE68MfzC42MkfXzYNW7k3yJmYYcc ZK_p0pizCIcl50hK1_6X3.dwXwWnhQ8ys.QUAb374dbdFpN9rd1p4Pz6KxBO TXHeZL4WY3VZuvQ-- Received: from [64.196.19.194] by web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 13:21:49 PDT SSB3b3VsZCBiZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIEZvVCBwYXRjaGVzLiBBbHNvLCBhcmUgdGhlcmUgdHNoaXJ0cyBhdmFpbGFibGU_CsKgCk9uIGFub3RoZXIgbm90ZSwgd291bGQgYW55b25lIGhhdmUgYW4gZXh0cmEgcm9vbSBhdCB0aGUgT3N0aG9mZiB0aGF0IG15IHdpZmUgYW5kIEkgY291bGQgc3BsaXQgY29zdHMgd2l0aCBhdCB0aGUgS0N1cC4gV2UgaGFkIG5vdCByZXNlcnZlZCBhIHJvb20gYW5kIGl0IG1heSBiZSB0b28gbGF0ZSB0byBnZXQgdGhlIHJvb20gd2Ugd2FudGVkLCBzaW5jZSB3ZSBhcmUgb3ZlciABMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 13:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Shawn Frank To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Patches and KCup roommates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would be interested in FoT patches. Also, are there tshirts available? On another note, would anyone have an extra room at the Osthoff that my wife and I could split costs with at the KCup. We had not reserved a room and it may be too late to get the room we wanted, since we are over the amount of reserved rooms. Cost affective would be to split a room. Let me know. Thanks Shawn Frank 515-339-4228 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 16:14:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9EF40532 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3DA403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 22:04:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 22:04:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 22:04:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369433099; bh=5iqrrFFrmYSCoaPzLHnW+mgvT5fWukkDgD249lLScIw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=ybV5lE93VSBiee7YbK8p/seek/EgQMGcSf7II+p9IYyXLLDhj62aZRRkt+/OnC49ogm8cudeFJ1O78SMMmDMlz4tRrM6D7zz5Vo58N9RTgmceeR+rRUpg8GBulq6P2jzDELSZ4nLQNbbUq/BU/mE7BHLSjFhY+aTB3Bf67LxLB0= 8u5UiWN6ys5qaEU0e_P.juUGdBVktTnEr85gJFMQg5bJ0nB5bmqNf1nrfcyM dvUQKE6znJRrGk1xnnMeTw1rlRkbFKuIkc1ND9EoJUpqlkMfPJ8q29fm2kxC aVCFBCrz31PM7YP9hhBxVRRjdq3R9LSuvTc3gygEot2XqVD5gCZQtAPl5qgs LZ9t1wW_EIJnLqtNh3plj4jhQf0uLQEti8RWUV7iJWBHyb8AO2rByWMR6Pk_ 0QKEEY2AEZvcrNF9weQ1kLeprMcBzDHteltRypc68Bk.wxVNDWBC8vSPRSHG Wkwp61N7HoLt4mDhraxY_iREJJC2CSdm3ouvcGHJQq30QUTlxBg4W6flLooe W6jEREUYexHs1mnuH_JxU.OKILYsg5cN9j6rgwSL8YYIO8_3bGIesAP3CSPz ukr8ps8SbIDP_lbaoeF6MQlunpTGpUbBBBZOqATeP4VMomfUS_m4KxXsyMvM CfBQmPapBzckjiFFK_Mdj6UUx1Zb0VbIONlNmsdwXKp2P by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 15:04:59 -0700 PDT From: "Warren Aplin" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , "'Andy Packard'" References: <65BB7DED-B7ED-45AE-B5EA-5674DEFAEA6B@att.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:04:30 -0400 Thread-Index: AQERRavUCzqzQeJXYQFlMcg31+RAbQHK1NmDAmbEepuabXzSMA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I would like both a couple of patches and a few stickers. I am unable to make Road America, but would gladly preorder and send a check Warren Aplin Jupiter, FL 561-748-8187 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM To: Andy Packard Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! They have been done in the past and I suspect they would go over very well, again. The logo has become a sign of distinction. Fortunately, we have great TR folks stepping up to the plate and volunteering. Timing on this is very good. We will look very good at Road America. I don't remember who did it last. You might get preorders and order a few more in addition. We can pay for them out the FOT FUND. We could sell some at the track to get the money back. Regalia is good, but a lot of work. Thanks Andy. Your call on proceeding. Joe A Sent from my iPad On May 24, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Andy Packard wrote: > I looked into having patches made with the FOT logo. Would people be interested in these or have they been done already? > > Andy Packard > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Nine responded with orders for 24 decals. >> >> PayPal paid decals going out today. >> >> Addresses from those sending checks would get those out. >> >> We have 76 left, so they are now available for awhile. >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgaplin@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 16:14:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E54B40447 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44B240531 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W42 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 May 2013 15:10:56 -0700 From: marty sukey To: Shawn Frank , FOT Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:10:56 -0400 References: <1369426909.28486.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[9088E8A0:01CE58CB] Subject: Re: [Fot] shirts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We did a run of the regular FOT shirts last year and had a difficult time making the minimum order so another run already is not in the cards. That being said there are some places on line that you can have as little as one shirt printed up using your supplied design. Maybe I can look into something like that when I have nothing to do if there is any interest. Marty Also, are there tshirts available? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 16:48:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B2940542 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E161403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 22:44:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.244] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 22:44:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 22:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 35992 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2013 22:44:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369435449; bh=w9mfLyZmQfmiTqckVgOFPj0Xw4B0V+LbaVif8HdAVKQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u/JE8ytXhI0AmDnh99j5J7ioAn2qgza+T+vxe7Y4UHgfPJzbWUgzIUkV2MVw4hDeFuiH2aNRQIE9iOY+2Qcu7NvbfQUpEKncejOxc0HkHFR2mz+2mIqP4q/rjLf851OjiEJxnVnyccE1qviIBgxiAD6f9ioh4zBc2YyGfhW9o74= s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0rA9oCd2KemXylMEh4O5heiLF7hjuY7smtuiOjzRFL73aK0Wm8yAlMBe+LAD9c7J8wtrzIevp2NnM9VKw5Kjwnj2M/Ueus0U/HKeyv5h3AuT1CUHkEgd6AxXOdPEV1UzVjGkQhrQeacvEyPh3NZj7kw//phGlNFe6TbH4jh93us=; vRC6Xn5Gxiq8nMd9UKwK1UgSW.M96r9xGIDMJocQ_uMaTybyV7kYYUxvHgtv WogeHuQKUPXSSiWx5oNg2JpV1WuVhruEuO7gFIhH4vGV5uTPVRlQQQ1soq71 gW5U9tpu30ZQA0ET11S9.3LBKCEHchGrQdJ1qM4K3jPJvhgxcr3rrlgw4o__ XTcbVKGcUA4TZPBQOkhLOtxfEniWArxyFiuNXj57iqls.CoMHvNmMmuu55hI j4ajInfaS8EbPKmgFZNwHupFpHdTrb4x55p4zjba3wt.f_HWYBYg3RiPC9NA XbNePeHAmTebPlS2Vfjo1BuRtZwdiFJl1ZqiMXZrN6fNZyZ4afVzy4qmHzBP 8bl0lR2ZQkWwCf7XO1Eq8m8X0oxRyYigCrXitTrGAepdVdbHB9RgCye1H0hz AtLEKJSJiJfFfdxun._apA8u5CHEv3z8RUOpb8gxpVbLV.y_U1g.1Xak4ee7 Q_neay.irrO7D9Sh6O_alQlWiASrzhVVX9hXMEUOMZ.kCp_nMYye01olIfVW .rQ-- Received: from [198.228.232.104] by web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 15:44:08 PDT Sm9lCkkgd2lsbCB0YWtlIHR3byBkZWNhbHMsIEkgd2lsbCBwdXQgYSBjaGVjayBpbiB0aGUgbWFpbCB0byB5b3UgdG9tb3Jyb3cuClRoYW5rcyEKUnVzcyBXZXN0ZmFsbAoBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Russell Westfall To: Joe Alexander , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Decals. 100 produced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe I will take two decals, I will put a check in the mail to you tomorrow. Thanks! Russ Westfall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 17:29:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB74640518 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF80340382 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7DB1F700563D1 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dtc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.17]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 46BE4E000085; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:20:20 -0400 (EDT) References: <85B3DEA9-6318-41B0-87BD-611AD010DAFA@cs.com> To: n197tr4@cs.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 71.28.52.9 by webmail-d277.sysops.aol.com (205.188.16.109) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 24 May 2013 19:20:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:20:20 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369437620; bh=yd0lr1S5WkZ89I+ehA92xSx4dxw2rZzUoDYViKecdbQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=spXhbvp3RlrOIC2E3FrH1msEr5SyT29aGAom7nmxKv7NNLkQt4+uPes8fw7KxS6tF q0NBUyaIEFBxMkbt0HsgEW5xeynXd2YoQQq8Zv+PvPu43asLMIL+cx4vYDASeng2i1 1OsiBJo2eewBzYF1Z5dN2HLwICYCz4BF+te/U4rU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c519ff5b422c7 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Decals. 100 produced Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Save me 2 decals. Check is in the mail. Bruce Lapierre X-#46 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 9:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Fot Decals. 100 produced I ordered and received 100 FOT decals today. $10 will get you two delivered to your address. Checks preferred, but PayPal is convenient. FOT 45 1st Street esup, IA. 50648 PayPal. N197tr4@cs.com Thanks Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 17:44:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D81B403F9 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124F4403BA for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so3438339pde.32 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=dXBdbho/w5t38qikucmkROX9XW/mbw0IOmgwj+zbrSM=; b=jS9qGFsGSd3T/BXCwOCui3N8ddbrk2+Ukn4ea1HnjtsWcSwFzPgppWwlDM8hvbdRli EnAnnOwsfOcKBqsX+dltyBkhJwOzAOM8/ASDroz0AUJ5RgO5l/YJGD2r95x0+Odq7gx+ QOLadQaj92pf7Kt3QIky4+BzZGiCWkGhO1idKHQGA31Zm1WukixxwcEH9OhRXs6XJzME ZZYh5X00WS4yUU0a5snHBGyJXSBLkcjPGz6HcQppuMriybnaNQ6u7BlcnTqoiM4g0qgG 3ZcpaOaytRhMU07TwXG1h5PqiEtOfBC4UKckkcsCytGCl6zoQvgKcAtVKA4+edjZceb3 XJGg== xd8mr20117416pab.146.1369438411539; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.104] (cpe-67-246-45-67.nycap.res.rr.com. [67.246.45.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cp1sm17908451pbc.42.2013.05.24.16.33.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 May 2013 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <65BB7DED-B7ED-45AE-B5EA-5674DEFAEA6B@att.net> <002601ce58ca$ab4580a0$01d081e0$@bellsouth.net> From: Bob Bownes - Seiri Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:33:29 -0400 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Next time there is a run of the Very Large decals, I would like a set of 2 please! On May 24, 2013, at 18:04, "Warren Aplin" wrote: > I would like both a couple of patches and a few stickers. I am unable to > make Road America, but would gladly preorder and send a check > > Warren Aplin > Jupiter, FL > 561-748-8187 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM > To: Andy Packard > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT decals. Thanks! > > They have been done in the past and I suspect they would go over very well, > again. > > The logo has become a sign of distinction. > > Fortunately, we have great TR folks stepping up to the plate and > volunteering. > > Timing on this is very good. We will look very good at Road America. > > I don't remember who did it last. > > You might get preorders and order a few more in addition. We can pay for > them out the FOT FUND. We could sell some at the track to get the money > back. > > Regalia is good, but a lot of work. Thanks Andy. Your call on proceeding. > > Joe A > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 24, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Andy Packard wrote: > >> I looked into having patches made with the FOT logo. Would people be > interested in these or have they been done already? >> >> Andy Packard >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 24, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: >> >>> Nine responded with orders for 24 decals. >>> >>> PayPal paid decals going out today. >>> >>> Addresses from those sending checks would get those out. >>> >>> We have 76 left, so they are now available for awhile. >>> >>> Joe A >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgaplin@bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 17:45:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12FD406A9 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994244032A for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 23:33:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.58] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 23:33:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 23:33:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369438436; bh=+eyfa3szahv/4SISaiV2t8h2GF/IkYJpA4cqGnU9smo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ODSGb3KariX8z85JaB0leHN2pXpfQszfOvloZCGvYbRwDVk+PRpvRA+7jcaMntEJUp4xdvjN2W8FvqQ5JnUvnHxzMATrYLwKNlh+hQlI+2tZdVZ7AACjVhQr9s/6nNlk+G8NzURevk5SHrOtln2fZlOryJduzcDi9ly5dgSNPcQ= vJvCC0e.B44hKeLAhJXH8LUc_kF4eQB_0l7BTMQxa03Yagci7jiNBb8sYfMj xLtjg.r96xUNZAfkKqadOTuInxRXq9_q8wF9W6H08U8kevjGQPk_vyIXpLQm s2bWmmDjfJSzTAr6r6mzyF5CF20K15qZ0BFbh_Hr3Z1byTfmcVZ0HtIOCDQz 0oPfgVCz0Iq6B2euZUw8EXA4I8_.kqaSMepO22ksLxOD.9rc_0CgkLR8_66T u2IAgeGpti4adqnDiuYXN2tfRaSBx.Ydixs64.nMqWddEJsNVV4aCE8yKB3A X4Yt9svjqgnyga.T7rnEomuXmisC1kD7.Y2HuB.n1.7O5a35LIYm1g2CM6ot 0WjuA0lbesePZuHOHoCgbW2rph4Q3erFqseYOrD5v00_quhOPy9Yojz0NDjl rrpsAdKxvQaAcfbT.B6aojNxOtXAJnlg_h2L9AeW6pCsDuCq9_rUrf8q00il Z18mnjzq9OFXniZZO1XIMXw3cbfq5lNqp5k1JZg-- ) by smtp209.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 23:33:56 +0000 UTC References: <1369426909.28486.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jaxon Racing Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:33:53 -0400 To: marty sukey Cc: Shawn Frank , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] shirts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We do shirt orders for hockey using transfers and once they are done you can order just one or more if you like so there is no need for a minimum. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2013, at 6:10 PM, marty sukey wrote: > We did a run of the regular FOT shirts last year and had a difficult time > making the minimum order so another run already is not in the cards. That > being said there are some places on line that you can have as little as one > shirt printed up using your supplied design. Maybe I can look into something > like that when I have nothing to do if there is any interest. > > Marty > > Also, are there tshirts available? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 17:50:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D2E40518 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20CC403BA for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 960F170000087; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.193]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 64637E000085; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:47:06 -0400 (EDT) References: To: jason@multivintage.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Chuck Gee Received: from 71.159.231.85 by webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 24 May 2013 19:47:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:47:06 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369439226; bh=GuhlkF9/HJaOvFwy4pSzMjJgyEnyHgpmHr8KqjgMnAk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dSXjGOYPxGVSYPTjJIB4Jpk90w7TTP8L90+KZ2MormAX7SxnCVkx0dG3VStf0s1Ox Z+2gn6t6XmGy7u6nSpuZf4g8RvisVhGjduJrdbX2tccRcw/bprNtsanspC/hGZGAsg jA+1bqKTa/Vs8Xr2UYoSi7fZtknJllimO1dyYv+Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c519ffbfa34f3 Subject: Re: [Fot] Paddock Info For Kastner Cup #2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jason, I sent my check for two spots today. You should get it early next week. Thanks, Chuck Gee -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Sent: Mon, Apr 29, 2013 2:52 pm Subject: [Fot] Paddock Info For Kastner Cup #2 This is the 2nd instalment of Paddock Info for the Kastner Cup. ATTENTION ALL KASTNER CUP PARTICIPANTS: Notes on status of Garage rentals: Many of you have reserved garage spaces in the open air Lester Buildings. his will be Triumph headquarters for various aspects of The Kastner Cup. If you have reserved a space. THANK YOU! t this point there are only a few garage spots left, call it fair warning! If you have reserved a garage spot and HAVE SENT me a payment already... HANK YOU for being early to the grid. If you have reserved a garage spot and have NOT SENT payment yet... econd call! lease send $50.00 per spot payable to: onderland Multivintage 731 Grand Blvd rookfield IL 60513 (Notice to all garage renters>>> Do not be alarmed if you have not heard rom me yet or gotten any official confirmation. Official confirmation in egards to garage space has not yet been given. So, Again, If you paid lready, thanks...look for a personal email in the coming days in regard o your official confirmation.) Notes on General Paddock Arrangement: Negotiations and initial planning for the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK is going well. t is a rare thing to have any special paddock arrangements made at Road merica. Thanks to some dedicated FoTer's voices and persistent contact ith the Race-Chairmen and RA officials, so far it looks like Triumph ompetitors will be given five star treatment. To Be Clear.... WE are the EATURE! To facilitate accurate planning of open space in the ALL TRIUMPH PADDOCK I ave asked ALL TRIUMPH COMPETITORS to send me the dimensions of heir paddock space needs. (dimensions of rig, canopies, tent, RV) f you have not contacted me with this info please do so now. Email ason@multivintage.com with the requested info. Opinions and Feedback and important paddock concepts thus far: ) The Lester building / garages will work great for car prep/show for the ntire weekend. ) The garages are not secure or private (keep that in mind) ) Your rig and trailer or RV etc. will NOT be right next to you garage pot and may be a short walk from your spot. I will try to get you as close s I can. but understand that your paddock spot (for your tow rig and railer) will not be at an arms length from your garage spot. (please be dvised and plan accordingly) ) Tech will happen in our Triumph Paddock area. ) RV hookup power is not technically available in our designated area. ) If you want power, rent a garage spot.(period) ) If you want power at you RV / rig / paddock spot plan on paying lots of oney to get it or BRING a GENERATOR. ) I have been asked "Can I run a cord from my garage spot to my Rig and ent or RV? Answer: don't count on it. ) If You must have RV power because of any personal/ medical issues... ontact me immediately! Jason @ (312)208-5227 0) If you need anything special, now is the time to ask for it! Contact ason @ (312)208-5227 1) If you know anyone that is not on the FOT list or that does not keep up ith our emails; Please forward this info to them and urge them to contact e with any concerns and the requested details. 2) If I have forgotten anything or not mentioned something that you would ike to see as part of the paddock experience for this event, I AM HERE FOR OU to see what we can do! call Jason @ (312)208-5227 or email ason@multivintage.com 3) This is going to be totally awesome. The 2013 Kastner Cup at Road merica is shaping up to be the greatest Triumph Race in the history of otorsport. Thanks! ason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing laning Committee/Paddock Master 013 Kastner Cup at Road America ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 19:06:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3184240447 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A0140043 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123EFA0A99 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:04:42 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the principles involved are not marque specific. mjb. You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose carbs. Fixed that, still having trouble. So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a while for odds and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, smart kid. I've been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor disagreement today. So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm over mouth of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm over the rear carb, engine stumbles and dies. I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 19:48:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7496F40404 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com (mercury.fastbytes.com [216.183.230.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AB6403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:40:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A5A72CA300EE; Fri, 24 May 2013 20:36:39 -0500 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'FOT'" References: <51A00E2A.4030001@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 20:38:37 -0500 thread-index: Ac5Y46Y6xKBOjg8MRgWaFFYsoGAwbAABIS6w Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: BS+h Cxes DCka DHus DopW EEKl H7g4 KFz0 KZ6z MKlY OHUJ QU+p SS+Z Sgdw SiOc UDKH; 2; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQAOwBtAGEAcgBrAEAAYgByAGEAZABhAGsAaQBzAC4AYwBvAG0A; Sosha1_v1; 7; {24A14F53-DB9E-4A45-899D-F2B7B9407398}; dABpAG0AbQB1AHIAcABoAEAAZgBhAHMAdABiAHkAdABlAHMALgBjAG8AbQA=; Sat, 25 May 2013 01:36:32 GMT; UgBFADoAIABbAEYAbwB0AF0AIABXAGgAYQB0ACAAZABvACAAWQBPAFUAIAB0AGgAaQBuAGsAPwA= x-cr-puzzleid: {24A14F53-DB9E-4A45-899D-F2B7B9407398} Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think the rear carb is feeding all 4 cylinders and the front carb isn't getting any gas and acting like a big vacuum leak. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:05 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the principles involved are not marque specific. mjb. You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose carbs. Fixed that, still having trouble. So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a while for odds and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, smart kid. I've been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor disagreement today. So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm over mouth of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm over the rear carb, engine stumbles and dies. I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 07:50:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C311840531 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A7F4042D for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A7311700000A5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 09:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 63233E0000B5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 09:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:40:36 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369489568; bh=qT94Q8FWoawR+JEDwqvbfAQsJo7FZK3akyusn94lEQ8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=OuFTzeilaueVPZ0ow3BwiC6vCWtq/Vecd7hmsBEvAser0vDgKZVzs7v5ZA+nXZO1x lWhRbz+PPB42yKYVPq7NyErNXQC43IGXU4eUPCUT47xEvDV2f8MCD8xuZK04PMp4Rr LD+6VhXPIh+JbwPa7ola0kBWJxsyKjNY/9WjGK3s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c451a0c0a04aa2 Subject: [Fot] Steve Hedke. TR3. "Scrappy" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Heard from Steve Hedke this week. You may remember him as entering his TR3 in the Great Race a few years ago. I think he won his division once. Great Race starts near St. Paul in June. Might be a fun place to be. He will be doing the Great Race this year in a 1916 Hudson Indy Car. Still a TR3 guy, I invited him to return to our list. I hope he does. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 08:06:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A8740653 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4921C4042D for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY164-DS20 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 25 May 2013 06:56:07 -0700 From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FOT" , "Mark J Bradakis" References: <51A00E2A.4030001@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:56:06 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:56:06 -0400 FILETIME=[9B1A3EC0:01CE594F] Subject: Re: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Old age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the principles involved are not marque specific. mjb. You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose carbs. Fixed that, still having trouble. So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a while for odds and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, smart kid. I've been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor disagreement today. So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm over mouth of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm over the rear carb, engine stumbles and dies. I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 10:09:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3E640554 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE97E403A0 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2154B7000009F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DE37DE0000AD for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 10:58:14 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369497827; bh=FPLZYTo2PpXRR22a5Hdg+kGmDY8k58+32KzTQUhclAY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=vq29dLnnkxUP8PJwDl6Ck1h4kyGwRbDKyA/GNiyRdEk56QvDxXmHdIKicQ/vqRufi 4XgRMziWcZpRrJlnvleuePGyuH8etTytHl+JNnj99yaSvjfoincUwzonKExRuZjmdB MAupczmhlgCLYChuSB2+JmM4rdKr3iB/pylDT1JY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c551a0e0e2266a Subject: [Fot] Regalia Update. Decals. Kastner Cup. 2013. Road America Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net More than half of the 100 decals are spoken for...way to go! I am addressing envelopes again today. If you are sending a check, please give me your address so I can get these out and done with. Looks like Andy Packard is going to make an offering of patches. It's overdue and he has a good source. Remember, if you don't have a driver's suit, you can put on a jacket or hat. The next time I am in Signs By Tomorrow, I check into pricing on the larger FOT decals and report back. Flags, badges, decals, patches all going to KCUP 2013. Our own garage facilities, event shirts, event posters. Marque awards by Snook's Dream Cars. And custom name tags...... No featured marque will ever look as good as we are at ELVF And there is more....we are going have custom made Tech Stickers. Also, VSCDA has a traditional "Rally Board" decal. We made arrangements for the FOT logo to appear on this very collectible driver premium. They will also be available for sale. Thanks to all who have supported this effort. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 18:05:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818BE40434 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 18:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1226A40382 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 18:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.129]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AABF37000008E; Sat, 25 May 2013 19:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.147.171.255] (mobile-198-228-198-250.mycingular.net [198.228.198.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 1DC56E0000F8; Sat, 25 May 2013 19:56:32 -0400 (EDT) References: <51A00E2A.4030001@bradakis.com> From: Christopher Bock Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 19:56:29 -0400 To: Terry Stetler x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369526192; bh=BeobtzFyUTWnUBuLHCJXnhHZaPvYx5mcvBJe6NE0rFc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=P2XXbz630hSsFZBKZ09rTjYgQoGAyRl7k2vRVv+U+t+7F7URZVwr9ESnhN93pdP+/ bW33wLrjHgiNKnFD0x9WbI+pU9cfpG7qqp1JGePEU/TpY2SKAFq60MJ4o+PuppkOrq xQrCziaDoame49yK9VoYvyPQDLfhwmO9xGj7Ffyo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338151a14fb02931 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Look into the throat and see what the gap between the dash pot(?) and the base is while running between both carbs. They should be close to even. If they are then check to see if there is any fuel coming to the jet in the front carb. To me it seems that the front carb isn't working. I had fixed a friends dual carb where after idling a while he couldn't get any throttle at all. He had to shut the car off, restart, then quickly throttle the car. Basically he had the idle speed too low and the dash pots(?) were bouncing up and down so bad that giving throttle did nothing. Quick fix at the start line was to stick my finger in the throat and stop the bouncing. Chris On May 25, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > Old age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time. > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? > > > I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the > principles involved > are not marque specific. > > mjb. > > > > You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose > carbs. > Fixed that, still having trouble. > > So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a > while for odds > and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, > smart kid. I've > been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor > disagreement > today. > > So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm > over mouth > of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm > over the rear > carb, engine stumbles and dies. > > I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com> > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 20:08:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFA34041F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D5C4041F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:02:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id er7so6961899obc.29 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 18:58:48 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=z3H/+roztvs8Rn+yOThmZRqq/mud/EyohNNu6ugVtbA=; b=SmztoVZrcJzaNv2wqRq1UnE1zE7Lp1eIBFx8XpAJUQoQoI2FdI8PRN87gkXsbE5QBF lXPWjd1yRs1OHCpPCEsHd9U1/46mR5Ir9GpL07NLgSAtUGgz343AlRIfufncwRPzw2io PC3Algs/ZMIvs6TKTBc7vvqv/aSasLN7llvuUxSfIH4yHx43koK+rVDk8WbD7mLKjP/j i1Oz+i5pBJbAW7rmXjCcTFMfMiklIGpip+UW5v/0Ge3C+jTM7vaY1ZgTqZgkuI3Pv3p4 EA0PRD1+tj2A8TnK8WxFQpxiZFUFNOTjzkd4VVzM78L50tF1ejhNqTTzax4Y/D8r1iR7 5SbQ== j9mr11205205oeo.22.1369533528618; Sat, 25 May 2013 18:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ku7sm24186356obc.6.2013.05.25.18.58.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 May 2013 18:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 20:58:35 -0500 References: <51A00E2A.4030001@bradakis.com> To: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No oil in the dashpots of your friend's non-idling car, I assume. I would think that would damp out the oscillations adequately. I know some run with the dashpots dry and/or the pistons removed from the damper rods but I imagine those individuals are not after a slow idle speed. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On May 25, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Look into the throat and see what the gap between the dash pot(?) and the base > is while running between both carbs. They should be close to even. If they > are then check to see if there is any fuel coming to the jet in the front > carb. To me it seems that the front carb isn't working. > > I had fixed a friends dual carb where after idling a while he couldn't get any > throttle at all. He had to shut the car off, restart, then quickly throttle > the car. Basically he had the idle speed too low and the dash pots(?) were > bouncing up and down so bad that giving throttle did nothing. Quick fix at > the start line was to stick my finger in the throat and stop the bouncing. > > Chris > > On May 25, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > >> Old age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time. >> >> Terry Stetler >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:04 PM >> Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? >> >> >> I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the >> principles involved >> are not marque specific. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> >> You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose >> carbs. >> Fixed that, still having trouble. >> >> So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a >> while for odds >> and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, >> smart kid. I've >> been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor >> disagreement >> today. >> >> So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm >> over mouth >> of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm >> over the rear >> carb, engine stumbles and dies. >> >> I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com> net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 20:38:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99E640690 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44585403A0 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MND00COFW359B50@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 25 May 2013 21:25:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 22:25:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Old Box Making Machinery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gang, this is not Old British Car related, but it came from the SOB's. Sons of Britain, our local car club. Like the FOT, no dues, no officers, but a good bunch of folks who have old British cars. They meet for dinner once a month, go on drives, and generally have fun. And have a summer picnic at my farm. Also a car show in Mid-September at the park in Waterford PA. This video is very interseting. And very cool. Enjoy, Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:41 PM Subject: Old Box Making Machinery > Hi, > > This came to me from Frank Russell, my first engineering manager when I > started out. > > Working with this kind of equipment was not for sissies! > > Rich Hall > > > > "This is the real deal as far as old machinery is concerned. You'll like > it. OSHA would have a fit. > > Frank" > > > http://www.youtube.com/v/_mKSKZau9qs# From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 21:54:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C2740532 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 21:54:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB0840420 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 21:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.65]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 372CE70000098; Sat, 25 May 2013 23:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.147.171.255] (mobile-198-228-198-250.mycingular.net [198.228.198.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 3FD44E000089; Sat, 25 May 2013 23:49:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <51A00E2A.4030001@bradakis.com> From: Christopher Bock Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 23:48:55 -0400 To: Duncan Charlton x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369540146; bh=HNp0QJZHwGF6MltktDb6E+Z02QSYM8eW02I1app7910=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Y01b5i3O2oaoag6Y7LhHMbmxsmS93CUjaiHHiKqkPNAalh7fEJs0mM172M6B5PgGg RtL7tBYm6BVqc2Paf/mGipI5KL+oLhc4mrzZusN2KXDLEgmh42w1z9Y6vu7d/eAA5j TiklbRKQg0DXHMeK5bj/RDZtgQxOIYfCzgNf/tkk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294151a1863115af Cc: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I did put oil in the pots but it still did the same thing. He had the idle set at 1200 so it wouldn't idle high. I finally set it at 1600 as a balance of low idle and working. It was a racing engine that wanted a 1800 idle to start with. Chris On May 25, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > No oil in the dashpots of your friend's non-idling car, I assume. I would > think that would damp out the oscillations adequately. I know some run with > the dashpots dry and/or the pistons removed from the damper rods but I imagine > those individuals are not after a slow idle speed. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 > Red #6 > > On May 25, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > >> Look into the throat and see what the gap between the dash pot(?) and the > base >> is while running between both carbs. They should be close to even. If they >> are then check to see if there is any fuel coming to the jet in the front >> carb. To me it seems that the front carb isn't working. >> >> I had fixed a friends dual carb where after idling a while he couldn't get > any >> throttle at all. He had to shut the car off, restart, then quickly > throttle >> the car. Basically he had the idle speed too low and the dash pots(?) were >> bouncing up and down so bad that giving throttle did nothing. Quick fix > at >> the start line was to stick my finger in the throat and stop the bouncing. >> >> Chris >> >> On May 25, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: >> >>> Old age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time. >>> >>> Terry Stetler >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:04 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? >>> >>> >>> I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the >>> principles involved >>> are not marque specific. >>> >>> mjb. >>> >>> >>> >>> You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose >>> carbs. >>> Fixed that, still having trouble. >>> >>> So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a >>> while for odds >>> and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, >>> smart kid. I've >>> been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor >>> disagreement >>> today. >>> >>> So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm >>> over mouth >>> of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm >>> over the rear >>> carb, engine stumbles and dies. >>> >>> I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com>> net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 06:19:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D6840532 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 06:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2140422 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 06:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n9so7972810oag.14 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 05:15:05 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=x/Kr635PbtYwvrtNmdtnb3kgubsp402xLekxcfWA1dI=; b=esrJNwddeIgvAbf2qxzPeNmbRVLGwabKA52mPao8DJgGXxh2KzBib842XbU28HYa4i hSHqPqrsERRgBbbGeF4SeRD8b5yjV4scofcqU0DBDn3UXS9TyH8CVM3MQyErO0yWaoJw irT9OurAZDOcPPc1Ee0G35g3LTBJLlLoscs6tfeFlTbwcEf3QA4hilW9nnZlNeDvOJPe TMCkEsE2txRBpU6xjxIcp8gTDz3mwjIi1kkApKcZ6qpJJuqxzN90DZXmGLC4ZXFOBf8t oByUGKTm+HBA4E7f2P7OhH1eVBjfn6zZYPMP4oNO+z6zO2WmglUW5ZfydnzsXMOv/wif I8/g== mm4mr15895647obb.63.1369570505741; Sun, 26 May 2013 05:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pm16sm26385998oeb.3.2013.05.26.05.15.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 26 May 2013 05:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 07:15:00 -0500 References: <51A00E2A.4030001@bradakis.com> To: Christopher Bock Cc: FOT of Subject: Re: [Fot] What do YOU think? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I discovered another good reason for a high idle speed when my accelerator cable broke -- I was able to get back to the pits a lot faster! Duncan On May 25, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I did put oil in the pots but it still did the same thing. He had the idle set at 1200 so it wouldn't idle high. I finally set it at 1600 as a balance of low idle and working. It was a racing engine that wanted a 1800 idle to start with. > > Chris > > On May 25, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> No oil in the dashpots of your friend's non-idling car, I assume. I would >> think that would damp out the oscillations adequately. I know some run with >> the dashpots dry and/or the pistons removed from the damper rods but I imagine >> those individuals are not after a slow idle speed. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 >> Red #6 >> >> On May 25, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Christopher Bock wrote: >> >>> Look into the throat and see what the gap between the dash pot(?) and the >> base >>> is while running between both carbs. They should be close to even. If they >>> are then check to see if there is any fuel coming to the jet in the front >>> carb. To me it seems that the front carb isn't working. >>> >>> I had fixed a friends dual carb where after idling a while he couldn't get >> any >>> throttle at all. He had to shut the car off, restart, then quickly >> throttle >>> the car. Basically he had the idle speed too low and the dash pots(?) were >>> bouncing up and down so bad that giving throttle did nothing. Quick fix >> at >>> the start line was to stick my finger in the throat and stop the bouncing. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On May 25, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: >>> >>>> Old age and treachery beat youth and inexperience every time. >>>> >>>> Terry Stetler >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:04 PM >>>> Subject: [Fot] What do YOU think? >>>> >>>> >>>> I posted this on the Spridgets list. Not Triumph related, but the >>>> principles involved >>>> are not marque specific. >>>> >>>> mjb. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You may have seen my post on Facebook about the Midget with the loose >>>> carbs. >>>> Fixed that, still having trouble. >>>> >>>> So Ricky is Mike's full time mechanic, I just get called in once in a >>>> while for odds >>>> and ends. Ricky went to tech school, learned a lot, great worker, >>>> smart kid. I've >>>> been working on LBCs longer than he's been alive. We had a minor >>>> disagreement >>>> today. >>>> >>>> So this rough running Midget with the 1275, dual SUs. Put your palm >>>> over mouth >>>> of the front carb, the idle speeds up and smooths out. Put your palm >>>> over the rear >>>> carb, engine stumbles and dies. >>>> >>>> I won't offer who said what about that indication, what do YOU think? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com>>> net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard@msn.com> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 21:22:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248DE40443 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C56184040C for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:22:09 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1369624700; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=qB/5BQbys4/mL2+BUsoD2t8opqnGSKWpneuLLYdfv3m4hKaBUKT+256a9w3CHX7yy /ZlhlO1HdlP5uitcJ4UEjvgfE99uDm66RfDfkOXsQyg43W4iPiuAa5WRKKONAmD/AV uITwDMddVh89QxZAYPRZXVFDJWZESLJq7YmzX5MI= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ4FWDNA4Q68RA for (sender ); Sun, 26 May 2013 20:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [76.23.185.62] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 27 May 2013 03:17:13 GMT From: "Joe Boruch" Full-Name: "Joe Boruch" Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 03:17:13 GMT To: lang@isis.mit.edu Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, how are you getting the car on the trailer? If you are driving it on, you may be wearing out the clutch? Doing anything different with going on the trailer now compared to before? Do you have an AN hose all the way from the MC to the slave cylinder? May be worth changing it, in case it has a kink or debris restricting it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I scanned the FOT archives quickly and maybe I missed seeing anything definitive on the subject. My "issue" is that since I switched from the stock TR6 clutch M/C to a Tilton unit, I've been having problems with clutch disk / flywheel glazing (and subsequent slippage). Now, the problem could be that I'm leaving my clutch foot resting on the clutch pedal, but I installed a dead pedal a while back - perhaps before the latest clutch installation - and in my videos, you can def hear what is either wheel spin or clutch slippage when I floor it. The Tilton clutch M/C that was installed has AN3 fittings and the stock setup is AN4. Is there any chance that the smaller hose / pipe can restrict the hydraulic motion in a way that can effect rapid clutch release? I'm next to positive that there's nothing stupid going on here, like a residual pressure valve or something like that. I'm 99% sure I can push the slave's pushrod and cause fluid to back-flow into the M/C reservior. This is really annoying because the original clutch setup (a 69 M/C with a used B&B PP and all "stock" stuff) lasted for 6 or 7 seasons and the new setup(s) only seem to last 1/2 season or so. That's like 50 autocross launches, max. BTW, the dead pedal is so awesome that I forget to push the clutch in when I start spinning. This has led to some pretty impressive 180's!!! Gotta work on that aspect of my driving, I guess. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Transformation of America? 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Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 09:04:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C5640568 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE91400AD for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130527145930.QFQE24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.235.90]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id h2zV1l00Q1xi4cJ052zWeW; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:30 -0400 a=SjuUym14L3tHVHHCmfaQRQ==:17 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=g5Qx8yEr95EA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=9DOmz0RfJyAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=41KIbhq1HIDZ1ts3EHAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=SjuUym14L3tHVHHCmfaQRQ==:117 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:28 -0400 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: fot@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Removal of inner fender arch from body tub TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes,Yes They are welded on. Measure before you remove. Remove the front fenders, get your center punch and drill ready, find the spot welds and proceed. Assembly is the reverse of removal with a mig welder. Your will also need to remove the inner front fenders. I have new replacements if needed. Glenn On 5/27/2013 10:48 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Are the inner front fender arches removable from the body tub --are > they bolted or are they welded on? Can the front of the tub be removed > from the firewall forward? > > thanks for any response and sage advice. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 09:34:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4E740515 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D27E4043A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:31:25 -0600 (MDT) a=yr/eJ6S8SHGIc+/JdDlNag==:17 a=zkYuSOkxadoA:10 a=g5Qx8yEr95EA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9DOmz0RfJyAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=uTEoHAoRNHXy78MwXiwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yr/eJ6S8SHGIc+/JdDlNag==:117 Received: from [67.255.13.17] ([67.255.13.17:53429] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 85/20-13811-56B73A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:27:34 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'" , References: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:27:32 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5a6XLJeIkb+rCeT7GgVE0cnkpfhwABOq0g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Removal of inner fender arch from body tub TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With a plasma cutter everything is removable, however those are factory welded to the bulkhead. If you're replacing a damaged front clip use either a saws-all or a plasma cutter and you can free that section easily. Using a MiG welder will make short work of the repair. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:49 AM To: TR list; Triumph; Friends Subject: [Fot] Removal of inner fender arch from body tub TR6 Are the inner front fender arches removable from the body tub --are they bolted or are they welded on? Can the front of the tub be removed from the firewall forward? thanks for any response and sage advice. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 10:25:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E604A4051D for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from sitemail.siteprotect.com (sitemail.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8FB4043F; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by app05.sm.onr.chicago.hostway (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85A31020AE1; Mon, 27 May 2013 11:21:13 -0500 (CDT) To: "TR list" , "Triumph" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "Friends" , "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:21:13 -0500 From: Charly Subject: Re: [Fot] Removal of inner fender arch from body tub TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Chuck, the front 'clip' is welded on at the firewall and it includes the inner fenders and the headlight/hood support portion of the front end. I did change one once and drilled out all the spot welds and welded a whole new one on. Charly Mitchel On Mon 27/05/13 7:48 AM , "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" triosan@gmail.com sent: Are the inner front fender arches removable from the body tub --are they bolted or are they welded on? Can the front of the tub be removed from the firewall forward? thanks for any response and sage advice. _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [3] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [4] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [5] Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [6] Links: ------ [2] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 12:09:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F028040552 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBF34039F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i4so9005895oah.21 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pcGhlOCCsuWgG14Of0SHqTp66ymExb4LJtXmMUELuu0=; b=xwdTrMzM2i70rFw4YP9K7qGmaXcssNITyPE3TQsRnVu1/Mhxiy+Vw23azah9hgQxjV 7dU7Jbh/cwAoEq0ey9bdeErM7yT2BgU32woDeWaJiRZvHJ5Q5xi+bZoSiw0wq8J8mLxj fzTfboQEjC1uFn2v6lN/bzJ2SbSiu/sEitT+R9VCJmjikBS3exH5efaNeNIhTRUK2ORm +HFlAO0wizsazLHsHiaO0MsPBKZOViaAO8BPJGeWwJJ+kqYCRQjBz/zfFu/ndNIhzqqv Ts8XRTjJrEoU3JUKM/yA0/Fbvt9yx9KKeyHVJi8B6DiSdXWrTxMTsBBm/QOdKQokVh4R 4rGg== Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.79.105 with HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:59:52 -0500 From: Mike Jankowski To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] TR7/8 Factory alloys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a set of factory alloys in good condition from a TR7/8 they are looking to offload? Thanks! Mike _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 12:56:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2484055B for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f45.google.com (mail-bk0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E883403F3 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id je9so3192998bkc.18 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 11:52:18 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=TTYayDl+Hgqo0Ja7gh6j6wBhuCBWESQJJatbYIHDUYI=; b=KQxIdakmQMd0Pz0CbgtV+Ej/P5IWprw+mBLSbUmwJhu2dlvAWMLoRUtFxubRGJfcFf khBtcL+7/D0cwN0/a0n9CdUfT0n/GshAUor1v2jyoQGd+BX81VqfwyX7A9KltZpHvyWf AsifvFkXbrkdVreFYBt2mPP+YfvrNVaWwhcyJemw9xLbM9JX9uurjGY2/Tzi67Ol+Qr/ EZkE81UPkTvUs0KXZW6HQ0VR/3//xVYs3GJaYMQ9GW4H4rjPyqde4qc76Pl+WqIf+xmm cXAdWAc2PWXm44NpObrtDmPXdSAHVZnbkl/wP7GtQfG/l3MF39eLTkT2QAJGTxyluY4l VS8A== d13mr3237496bkk.147.1369680738333; Mon, 27 May 2013 11:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-191-85.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.191.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fh8sm8875214bkc.10.2013.05.27.11.52.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2013 11:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <20130526.231713.29098.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:52:12 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5aiP5eLXORrUIUThCitcizG9HAtAAgjLdw Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You guys doing really complicated stuff. I use stock stuff and it is doing well. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Joe Boruch Gesendet: Montag, 27. Mai 2013 05:17 An: lang@isis.mit.edu Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Bob, how are you getting the car on the trailer? If you are driving it on, you may be wearing out the clutch? Doing anything different with going on the trailer now compared to before? Do you have an AN hose all the way from the MC to the slave cylinder? May be worth changing it, in case it has a kink or debris restricting it? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I scanned the FOT archives quickly and maybe I missed seeing anything definitive on the subject. My "issue" is that since I switched from the stock TR6 clutch M/C to a Tilton unit, I've been having problems with clutch disk / flywheel glazing (and subsequent slippage). Now, the problem could be that I'm leaving my clutch foot resting on the clutch pedal, but I installed a dead pedal a while back - perhaps before the latest clutch installation - and in my videos, you can def hear what is either wheel spin or clutch slippage when I floor it. The Tilton clutch M/C that was installed has AN3 fittings and the stock setup is AN4. Is there any chance that the smaller hose / pipe can restrict the hydraulic motion in a way that can effect rapid clutch release? I'm next to positive that there's nothing stupid going on here, like a residual pressure valve or something like that. I'm 99% sure I can push the slave's pushrod and cause fluid to back-flow into the M/C reservior. This is really annoying because the original clutch setup (a 69 M/C with a used B&B PP and all "stock" stuff) lasted for 6 or 7 seasons and the new setup(s) only seem to last 1/2 season or so. That's like 50 autocross launches, max. BTW, the dead pedal is so awesome that I forget to push the clutch in when I start spinning. This has led to some pretty impressive 180's!!! Gotta work on that aspect of my driving, I guess. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Transformation of America? Stocks soar--but some wealthy citizens are preparing for huge changes http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51a2d06d58ee506c41bdst02duc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 15:14:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFFE40526 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3AF403D8 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNH002QS6TNP770@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:10:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "MadMarx" , References: <20130526.231713.29098.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <000301ce5b0b$4f0ddec0$ed299c40$@com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:10:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Me too, Chris. Stock MC, slave,and braided hose. -4 I think. And a Magic clutch from TRF. KISS. Only time I had a problem was when a rebuilt slave cyl. failed on the grid. Got it running on the starter and did the practice session without the clutch. To all Vets out there: thank you. Lots of flags in the cemetaries. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited > You guys doing really complicated stuff. > I use stock stuff and it is doing well. > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Joe Boruch > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Mai 2013 05:17 > An: lang@isis.mit.edu > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited > > Bob, how are you getting the car on the trailer? If you are driving it > on, > you may be wearing out the clutch? Doing anything different with going on > the trailer now compared to before? > > Do you have an AN hose all the way from the MC to the slave cylinder? > May > be > worth changing it, in case it has a kink or debris restricting it? Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited > Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:03:50 -0400 (EDT) > > Hi, > > I scanned the FOT archives quickly and maybe I missed seeing anything > definitive on the subject. My "issue" is that since I switched from the > stock TR6 clutch M/C to a Tilton unit, I've been having problems with > clutch > disk / flywheel glazing (and subsequent slippage). Now, the problem could > be > that I'm leaving my clutch foot resting on the clutch pedal, but I > installed > a dead pedal a while back - perhaps before the latest clutch > installation - > and in my videos, you can def hear what is either wheel spin or clutch > slippage when I floor it. > > The Tilton clutch M/C that was installed has AN3 fittings and the stock > setup is AN4. Is there any chance that the smaller hose / pipe can > restrict > the hydraulic motion in a way that can effect rapid clutch release? > > I'm next to positive that there's nothing stupid going on here, like a > residual pressure valve or something like that. I'm 99% sure I can push > the > slave's pushrod and cause fluid to back-flow into the M/C reservior. > > This is really annoying because the original clutch setup (a 69 M/C with a > used B&B PP and all "stock" stuff) lasted for 6 or 7 seasons and the new > setup(s) only seem to last 1/2 season or so. That's like 50 autocross > launches, max. > > BTW, the dead pedal is so awesome that I forget to push the clutch in when > I > start spinning. This has led to some pretty impressive 180's!!! Gotta work > on that aspect of my driving, I guess. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Transformation of America? > Stocks soar--but some wealthy citizens are preparing for huge changes > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/51a2d06d58ee506c41bdst02duc > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 15:58:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80E440452 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f52.google.com (mail-bk0-f52.google.com [209.85.214.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCD6403D8 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id mz10so3838652bkb.39 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:54:17 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=2pBk/eiHd/3YBaK0H9CMywQ177bKFT58iH2Uf1EpoLE=; b=Wca6BE162JwIIK0nMIB7bTUnvBQxqeKNvLFXN+qJa1RpjOKLqD5ador6jhbexqkrVb xMllbw+PFzAH+F3+rPyvhUFe8aMj94fsUsa2BPa8FEL0QLRR3YbNCprLv2VyuzrJDigP Bzv2H7vIxk/dZ9Ory6wm8gKv/3eDtopRuDFXI+pT5+Rs4z4tV+r40ow3wrcNZNnFUu+l edNR9gG6ElRjVs5dzpSNdgTWjUe7B0mO/ax6lgHWIbbRufdgwHPtrRGTycZ5bmE+Stpm Sl8kFZ6hTo5OkhdnmIPgYIfUCd+oic/QCwprcl/Mzfhexm1wjGdrFa9SC6NZCFxK6H4d fyuA== ce16mr12475716bkb.91.1369691657396; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home ([109.46.245.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iy11sm9075980bkb.11.2013.05.27.14.54.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 May 2013 14:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <20130526.231713.29098.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <000301ce5b0b$4f0ddec0$ed299c40$@com> <39BBA1EEE4234451A5A3BCD7B9E1E782@hpd530> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:54:14 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5bHqLfSnegish2RWih72Gp1V3sLAABRQ0g Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't like to do a bad critic. I just was astounded about the technical things you implant in your cars. At my car the idea counts to keep it stock like so that I can get parts to repair in the paddock. If you show up at the paddock with something custom made and nobody has a spare you can go home - end of the weekend. My car can race with almost all stock parts. In one case we parted out a TR3 from a fan to get a cylinder head and a diff for a fellow racer. No chance with custom parts. To tell you what I use: Stock master Stock slave Stock link GT6 clutch bearing Tilton pressure plate And 6 paddle clutch plate So the only thing I have to bring is a pressure plate spare and a clutch plate spare. All other parts are available at the paddock. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 16:47:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4B740517 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8083B4039F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.141]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E01E5700000AB; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mbd002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mbd002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.31.79]) by mtaomg-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B7589E000086; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) References: To: mikeragtopeditor@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net From: kkjjk@aol.com Received: from 71.255.187.142 by webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.98) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 27 May 2013 18:43:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369694593; bh=E4A0tqLAs66IUGsVHNtBs6u5XZT+QOX+tKqT+ZC/A+M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WSKTc5iO9C9Im99t1A9HXj7bR0u8TDD2efUCqXJqp3XN9PYMOhm29jch5aQhSicZd yOMORRI/b1hfj9vGJlEUbqeDe9q+gN9M+27uyD+T803ObV7xc1Y8p9ZASJCZ9jyqy3 FE5EoS7GGRQ+oKQ55rvTRDYiijVzbMoTozdh/p2A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d51a3e18134b8 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR7/8 Factory alloys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, Mike- I do have a set, actually two sets! I have no idea what they are worth. I would need to check on them as they are buried somewhere in my garage. I do know that one set is painted green and that they belong to a good friend of mine. The other set I took off a TR7 MANY years ago, but they are factory 8 wheels ( I bought the entire car just for the wheels, and then junked the car- big mistake). I will try to look into it for you, although I have a grad party and a lot of stuff coming up over the next 2-3 weeks. How much of a hurry are you in? Thanks-- Jay -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jankowski To: FOT List Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 2:05 pm Subject: [Fot] TR7/8 Factory alloys Does anyone have a set of factory alloys in good condition from a TR7/8 they are looking to offload? Thanks! Mike _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:44:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6B240427 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194F740406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNH00EZ9GK6PU20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:40:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "MadMarx" , References: <20130526.231713.29098.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <000301ce5b0b$4f0ddec0$ed299c40$@com> <39BBA1EEE4234451A5A3BCD7B9E1E782@hpd530> <000301ce5b24$bb87ea00$3297be00$@com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:40:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Like I said Chris, KISS (Keep it simple, son) Cheers, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited >I didn't like to do a bad critic. I just was astounded about the technical > things you implant in your cars. > > At my car the idea counts to keep it stock like so that I can get parts to > repair in the paddock. > If you show up at the paddock with something custom made and nobody has a > spare you can go home - end of the weekend. > > My car can race with almost all stock parts. > > In one case we parted out a TR3 from a fan to get a cylinder head and a > diff > for a fellow racer. > No chance with custom parts. > > To tell you what I use: > > Stock master > Stock slave > Stock link > GT6 clutch bearing > Tilton pressure plate > And 6 paddle clutch plate > > So the only thing I have to bring is a pressure plate spare and a clutch > plate spare. > All other parts are available at the paddock. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:50:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95EC40521 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E6940406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNH00F79GT20T40@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 19:46:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:46:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Whitworth wrenches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All, someone inquired a while ago about my Whitworth wrenches. I finally found them, right where I left them. 'Cept I'd forgotten where I left them! Most are Blue Point, Snap-on's brand. A few King Dick. Some box, some open. If any interest, let me know and I'll send you a list. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 07:31:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD9340427 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6136B40075 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 13:18:43 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.61] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 13:18:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 13:18:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369747123; bh=mFVATsPeXqVmtZTKjIxPbnNH6+fTFRsRE7THft1OIUA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=LlAqmEcEhhRqyL7ErLmaMQhQUlk/D4s5p2CAW5jRzTTkRXbSNL2pCotLbGcPg3lgL4cNO5gQbACtc727NW+rTgiZCeU9DorQPEPNi5xnLgNHG/6BisWnQyqBElBhGT5XiNjWbriZSbz/oMwiaZjJuDnW+mtcWAjVLVQEwPwawLM= 9NldOQiCIXRQmq9n8ZXs2ezZ8DnJ53Shv_631KyuEkBpV_d4ETewp7fMBajd LsQ0BY6OBJl4TqU0n9HNPgXUZcNGpv.Xk4cTzdIrKmrJH3i.FNcwikbD0lcG Q4z6B34ouqohfRwl3aUynmo38gYSegJKKxzUHfR0r4K5h7INjUnwYDiZudlJ Ov63OVccZU0XjSJrx8HAq527KVWzNNtf.wC_L5Iagp1SDgpgvqkPATX_sbW. zFd.Y8Ea5pz8CgBzM.UhMX4I1usxm97F3CY5tYtwERyqRVcCXew19Pvs6vzo c5kKxmiPCjof36Zf1i1W8DpQkV5PzUNaYObfKhNvrz6X9XKYtHuhMeoHhK1H N99SzroPs64vAtztNL6p5SMKFOjHbJ0BTshHltZTWSUxIUZibpxgeojN8PI3 PHZCgWJ64NQ3e9S4J4pD.Gz7vvNFW9BL0AQu8nQUmjJopyOPaSpNDLtN4CFH bAD78.SZ5DXcz6FSsQ3zKEjN7QyGCt5ph smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2013 06:18:43 -0700 PDT From: "Warren Aplin" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , References: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:27:10 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIW+yoJFY9dPGIB8u1zd4VVWfP4uJiJV4fw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Steve Hedke. TR3. "Scrappy" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That is on my bucket list. Never thought about doing it in the TR, That might be fun. Warren Aplin Jupiter, FL 561-748-8187 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:41 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Steve Hedke. TR3. "Scrappy" Heard from Steve Hedke this week. You may remember him as entering his TR3 in the Great Race a few years ago. I think he won his division once. Great Race starts near St. Paul in June. Might be a fun place to be. He will be doing the Great Race this year in a 1916 Hudson Indy Car. Still a TR3 guy, I invited him to return to our list. I hope he does. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgaplin@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 10:48:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA6340532 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com (mail-pb0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43023403C6 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id un4so8101447pbc.12 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:38:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TBUb0kl3qdHyj8BlOvJ2Q9RVmnTK2iSR64md8Cq470w=; b=GgdQU6WK47oUUzll+s8mfPY0vm20jcpYf2n4OXY+NnJ4fdX1Qnbxf83cofdQKKuHV5 YWll6lPPD1Sfbg4000YUELv1hDpL9YJpGBUTjaGBonGV/oLXWYDqszotiqD++oV1ZyCB cIYp9Vd1yEKpfGAGJkBVzhYTmn4pGacz7MaP8yZhjW+jcG63go4a2jbTs4Wbx4dhxpCH O453ALpDZlL2mxTz89gAIhef8bauHj4rH7MrJS8IyQimdQmyOJYjQf2AXWuif4gTxfHb r4/goyoARIKp+C1WgI0Sb2gtm1Zjg+CCoiSXb7qq7iW3KnFyuAtEfm2vpaatFmSTBrR1 fuCw== iw1mr33685368pbb.129.1369759137862; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.26.15 with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:38:57 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Racing at Mission in Canada this last weekend I was pleased to find another TR6. Beautiful, street legal car out of Clagary. Driven well by Stephanie Barnes. She did not know of FOT, but was anxious to learn. Car is fast! Email: barnesville@telus.net. Need a second! She is racing this coming weekend with SOVREN in Spokane. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 10:49:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE05640512 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CE0403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4SGenda002711; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:40:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Joe Boruch References: <20130526.231713.29098.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch Hydraulics Revisited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Regarding loading the car - I don't think that's an issue, although it might be. I have given thought to setting up a winch in the trailer.. I also need to consider this aspect of getting onto the lift in the garage. That's a really big "hill". Maybe I need a winch there too. But, it could also be the driver riding the clutch - I'm not sure. As regards to keeping things simple, I agree whole-heartedly. The switch in hydraulics came about as a result of a roll cage installation which included a change to the hydraulics for both the brakes and the clutch. My initial plan was to not touch any of that stuff, because it worked fine. Lesson learned. I'm also much more clear when I ask this fabricator to do anything to the car as he tends to go in with "all guns blazing". I'm still trying to figure out how to get him to fix the front brace on the passenger side that is about 1/16" from the air horns on the Webers. But that's another can of worms. ;-) To the question about what size fittings are in use, the current setup is all AN-3. I know that the stock stuff is AN-4. I'm ordering a new clutch M/C and some plumbing just for the heck of it. I may get another clutch disk and PP, just to have on hand. But to be honest, this is sort of frustrating in that I can't test any changes I make until I get to the track... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:03:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739A040449 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F15403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:53:25 -0500 From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley' , Friends Thread-Topic: [Fot] Nomination Thread-Index: AQHOW8KoWff8yRVzM0m4+r7qgYQoeZka0CYA Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:53:24 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second! Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:39 AM To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Nomination Racing at Mission in Canada this last weekend I was pleased to find another TR6. Beautiful, street legal car out of Clagary. Driven well by Stephanie Barnes. She did not know of FOT, but was anxious to learn. Car is fast! Email: barnesville@telus.net. Need a second! She is racing this coming weekend with SOVREN in Spokane. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:04:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0BC40527 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57432403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4SGshx2002746; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:54:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley References: Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net SECOND Any Barnes is good in my book (my grandmother was a Barnes). The fact that the car is a fast TR6 makes the suggestion even better. rml On Tue, 28 May 2013, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Racing at Mission in Canada this last weekend I was pleased to find another > TR6. Beautiful, street legal car out of Clagary. Driven well by Stephanie > Barnes. She did not know of FOT, but was anxious to learn. Car is fast! > > Email: barnesville@telus.net. > > Need a second! She is racing this coming weekend with SOVREN in Spokane. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang@isis.mit.edu _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 14:11:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24306403F2 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6518D40042 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8379D70057A41 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 16:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 4126BE0000D1 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 16:07:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:07:01 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369771626; bh=RzJ7ACKnOmwPWghg06yH08gxwMtH6KqrJ1TGCd7TE48=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=c360Am0Xz0hjN52p8HUetav4o3NSbG0H8cC3t/iwAfl9BTLI1sHKQDmZ5xSru+t7z tOGY3zEss3FjqJCd30Isc2SVZM7+TWcjOE2AI5c9il4uoHt+gR0sz+0NzKSSV2isQi EC55y/ekXYHrGtGJLe8kCMjVL/JQLTIwgNqzOfcY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290251a50e684567 Subject: [Fot] FOT Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I didnt expect such a flurry of activity on the decals. We are moving quickly past 70 of 100 being delivered. I did a spread sheet but may make some mistakes in delivery. If you get too many or none at all, let me know and I will deal with it. We could run another 100, but I am not real anxious to do this right away. Thanks to everyone for their enthusiasm. Makes the whole thing a lot of fun. Thanks, Joe A. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 15:55:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B900F40691 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from ex.dunnwalshholdings.com (ex.dunnwalshholdings.com [173.219.117.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0C940437 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c%15]) with mapi; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:44:43 -0700 From: Edward Dunn To: Joe Alexander , "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:43:54 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] FOT Decals Thread-Index: Ac5b3vNqIRRIAx5cRWGbwRJMlkyg7QADVdWw References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Joe. The effort is appreciated. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:07 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Decals I didnt expect such a flurry of activity on the decals. We are moving quickly past 70 of 100 being delivered. I did a spread sheet but may make some mistakes in delivery. If you get too many or none at all, let me know and I will deal with it. We could run another 100, but I am not real anxious to do this right away. Thanks to everyone for their enthusiasm. Makes the whole thing a lot of fun. Thanks, Joe A. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 16:13:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70754406A9 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 16:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f51.google.com (mail-bk0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1995940324 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 16:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ji1so2407658bkc.24 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:09:00 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=vQ/96ZTh2OX4xX5ZBZzZ8o4liMvEXAITTAN2XSO9cIA=; b=V59VM/lioNkICJ6nXE3aUJuW0hpUEjaKVcS8nkRZtyb8GseNg3fseetRPZ5FzUBLVs W5yedmlEkOimrgW5VIH3uVtcq0syBOU1WqGlv3Ary2TE1YoJS7txVZLeUcKlqX951pCi cR2elmvCktpkXvkUA51H8bBQiuNoYLByTNEGZMtvrkwgfS+3FoSjm3hBV3NChrXBuPOR 9KKHVszEFB/GxD087f9DDrm+P/RlUmvVcWTa7WsyIhOMcgbVwLxRj3pSS7oWupbG2kn8 EDMm7SmD4PP5F5tbOcHX5jrdCz22ymNeNWWnP5LgZLJMFagHBwPp73RSysLTf9xx/WnM 2AcQ== rd10mr719770bkb.11.1369778940726; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-96-211.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.96.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jy7sm2554450bkb.6.2013.05.28.15.08.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 May 2013 15:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 00:09:00 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5b3vNqIRRIAx5cRWGbwRJMlkyg7QADVdWwAADc9HA= Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A short video from a MG at Zandvoort. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxfuCYou1vc Track started to dry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Yed1knToA&feature=youtu.be Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 17:19:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EAA40552 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 17:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BF440451 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 17:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.230.148.53] (10.sub-174-228-3.myvzw.com [174.228.3.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4SNFEdd023604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 28 May 2013 19:15:17 -0400 References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <006901ce5bef$f5dff690$e19fe3b0$@com> From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 19:15:12 -0400 To: MadMarx a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M7Iy8nE0PkmI/E4vKYCrjw==:17 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=9mAtZpMjAAAA:20 a=9eOfYb3HAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=FebMA-9GNEVsjDptRQ4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=M7Iy8nE0PkmI/E4vKYCrjw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good, neat! Do you guys ever get to run in the dry ? Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2013, at 6:09 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > A short video from a MG at Zandvoort. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxfuCYou1vc > > Track started to dry. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Yed1knToA&feature=youtu.be > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 20:18:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5411E40653 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E589140451 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:17:50 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=l8QGpbthgvO+3Ah+IxJ7tg==:117 a=l8QGpbthgvO+3Ah+IxJ7tg==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=TQPHJFUcpJIA:10 a=Xj_gVYmDKxMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=nq_iPTBNAAAA:8 a=lLv1MesizW8A:10 a=BxFhoJMsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=BvJzy2JUAAAA:8 a=QEps4B0vAAAA:8 a=27s03EP62_LnKTyD1EkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=v0mxON9jkFEA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Hr8wNfR8-B0A:10 a=TQdRxR6nyrkA:10 a=J1--mjHvEgEA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rjl6n; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [76.4.84.63] ([76.4.84.63:30257] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 00/9D-04248-F5465A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 22:13:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 22:13:35 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 To: Edward Dunn References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Got mine today - they look great. Thanks Joe. John On 5/28/2013 5:43 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Joe. The effort is appreciated. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:07 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FOT Decals > > I didnt expect such a flurry of activity on the decals. We are moving quickly > past 70 of 100 being delivered. > > I did a spread sheet but may make some mistakes in delivery. If you get too > many or none at all, let me know and I will deal with it. > > We could run another 100, but I am not real anxious to do this right away. > > Thanks to everyone for their enthusiasm. Makes the whole thing a lot of fun. > > Thanks, > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n@cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 20:49:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA9A40515 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D406640451 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 68295700000AA for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 22:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dte005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dte005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.209]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E8E50E000089 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 22:45:35 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 71.28.53.243 by webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.11) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 28 May 2013 22:45:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 22:45:35 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369795536; bh=tKWq7BO4jLqwl+fXDervzvJB3pYKoDYOLUnT9+r4ovU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G3J8FRi4nxdvQng94cY3sY3c/7XBpj2fsYRK8d390N8iG1TC20Mt6uDUEU6svPooA uXQlXu+RIzaoKjvir1E/Mgk3O/smWsIOElaioh6KBpb88j5vyxSDZwkhb1egP+cjS1 4hqFT6UrWy/SJ7N/QCvaByohYikkfxJXcWpNYvtI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338951a56bcf7cea Subject: [Fot] Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the effort Joe. Haven't got mine yet but from all the positive comments - looking forward to it _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 21:22:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5917F40452 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1F4403C6 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53011A18F8 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:21:16 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Friends of Triumph References: <3B486FD7-CF47-4770-81C0-D2B2A2B0BDB4@gmail.com> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Unsubscribe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well that nomination went over well. mjb. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:04:11 -0700 From: Stephanie Barnes To: fot-owner@autox.team.net Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list. Thank you. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 21:39:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79693406A9 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268C94043C for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:39:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170B5A18F8; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:37:37 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Stephanie Barnes References: <3B486FD7-CF47-4770-81C0-D2B2A2B0BDB4@gmail.com> <51A5742C.1020609@bradakis.com> <881D4C6E-C008-4422-9D79-9402A7A07D5A@gmail.com> Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Unsubscribe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Stephanie Barnes wrote: > Sorry?? Nomination?!? I'm drawing a complete blank, I'm afraid. I just started receiving a flurry of emails about some decal. I'm not in the decal business, so I assume I got these ten or so emails in error. I tried the 'help' suggestion, but no explanation was forthcoming, therefore I requested to be removed from the list. > > I have no knowledge of "fot," nor its products. I apologise for the misunderstanding. > > S G Barnes > > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-05/msg00241.html Apparently the 'Friends of Triumph" - an amazing collection of Triumph racers and enthusiasts, was not properly explained to you. I'll suggest you stick around for a bit, see if you and your TR6 really want to part ways with us. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 00:49:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983C440552 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 00:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f45.google.com (mail-bk0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C504053C for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 00:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id je9so4043960bkc.18 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 23:41:27 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=QTpdychjrGUqKNMatVl2A/yaCVGX8Os6gONFm4Fhwbo=; b=l/HbpJ5G7f7/lRge3kG08dLnEgGrt6FedaG4ZKKqul6s+sNxDzMAazIwsLXBHVcyuE nxe+Ob70ZvzKvc+O2w3cukpR+zayppNft/EYS4KuJK0yhPrixsLrLEoIGgYUr89GnsLj M1rVMPC3tlDGAMw2ZbvG13/cEbr2v2Z1PXKeI5PkffzlwLeby4oGS60r+o2z+cvCznY8 nfb+5tkqy4AmBpKSmGI5D3QSA4i5SqiEB1v2v06CruBP6XCTV9cAU2w6Pz/oEq1lJaUC l52DUeoX02JoU03Pmzwp4Y+fUsGV8LrdAkcou8DlW+LsY1mOuOp92RI7sO9lZkXKyxcF 83Sg== tp4mr328456bkb.175.1369809687343; Tue, 28 May 2013 23:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-162-88.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.162.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jy7sm2898697bkb.6.2013.05.28.23.41.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 May 2013 23:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'John Hasty'" References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <006901ce5bef$f5dff690$e19fe3b0$@com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:41:24 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5b+ToY7T4xgmrNSh+3dPnfdj61BgAPjXhg Content-Language: de Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We have rain and dry races. I must confess, the rain ones are more fun. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty@gdhs.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Mai 2013 01:15 An: MadMarx Cc: Betreff: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Good, neat! Do you guys ever get to run in the dry ? Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2013, at 6:09 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > A short video from a MG at Zandvoort. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxfuCYou1vc > > Track started to dry. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Yed1knToA&feature=youtu.be > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 07:08:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDC8427C9 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 07:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7464040B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 07:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.194]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id F25B970007CE9; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id D5510E0033A0; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:03:55 -0400 (EDT) References: <3B486FD7-CF47-4770-81C0-D2B2A2B0BDB4@gmail.com> <51A5742C.1020609@bradakis.com> <881D4C6E-C008-4422-9D79-9402A7A07D5A@gmail.com> <51A57801.7050203@bradakis.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:03:50 -0500 To: Mark J Bradakis x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369832636; bh=aIUA3rrec6rJIaRBwQAwGkn2t4awopGPu2YdTYXkFeA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=q60J+UFFNkHkYvT2phZ4OT6u8fMec1KnmSkfk3Sdr02bSnsa/DiI9K1SEoAdEe10X dQrNfRhgTd3OBmc1IcG3vOYhV2UO6XK8FXe1X4KgDSHwUFLJnfIdw5kjc9T8ehHBLC yGzuUAbNsut3vNyiPdg622E2kOE56d+4XwU0Q1gI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c251a5fcbb42bc Cc: Stephanie Barnes , Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Unsubscribe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Stephanie, Rumor has it that you and your TR6 are amazing. This is a semi-exclusive non-organization. We are also partial to Canadians. We have no products. The decals discussed is the logo we apply proudly to our Triumphs and tool boxes. Chuck will be with you shortly to explain what he has done by nominating you. When you run next in the U.S. you will want the FOT logo on your car. If you decide to stay, welcome aboard. Joe Alexander Sent from my iPad On May 28, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Stephanie Barnes wrote: >> Sorry?? Nomination?!? I'm drawing a complete blank, I'm afraid. I just started receiving a flurry of emails about some decal. I'm not in the decal business, so I assume I got these ten or so emails in error. I tried the 'help' suggestion, but no explanation was forthcoming, therefore I requested to be removed from the list. >> >> I have no knowledge of "fot," nor its products. I apologise for the misunderstanding. >> >> S G Barnes >> >> > > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2013-05/msg00241.html > > Apparently the 'Friends of Triumph" - an amazing collection of Triumph racers > and enthusiasts, was not properly explained to you. I'll suggest you stick around > for a bit, see if you and your TR6 really want to part ways with us. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 07:28:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A884B427E9 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 07:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5204F406AD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 07:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4TDKQdY005610; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:20:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: MadMarx References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <006901ce5bef$f5dff690$e19fe3b0$@com> <001801ce5c37$8c99f620$a5cde260$@com> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 29 May 2013, MadMarx wrote: > We have rain and dry races. > I must confess, the rain ones are more fun. That would make you a "real driver". :-) > Cheers > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 09:53:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA8E40691 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D268540557 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 15:42:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.93] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 15:42:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 15:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 81798 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2013 15:42:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369842171; bh=CtZtmzHmULHN6PGLiM3oTyG/raLoWLnviY+QbaAvMp8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dogoVVYhudSrgVQ1GK26CzIIYab42Gf2lpDynTQlaV8ysgbB6jpPQXqglDiNwjoDDza7hcxJCkW9PGuVreCbt03+QfU7d/vLn0vcVeaPb9p2iXCkXNPZehFvHYxleExJvP9Bh0xrGFHfx+LDxsUPBrpSYT8ugWPdGjuhxtWdSbw= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lu1XYo3PARcDCxgmgNUIcu26RI2MTWb5tuMQkZqTeChaM2S6hYrLB0DvI+sZiUVPlozxUs0Kh+BKoC+GOxfzlnK/9mEbtE444xZa1NpFPtUaEP7hKQ4FVUDVdii8jzFb6ld9OjtTpqaUJzezdkN/k6pamsoII43G8VpzeaXeZ5w=; dT0RfulJvBytyTgSpO0AYs4OE2dGFOazRPvv2vmmw5KSO8DOpwgn2gNNCLu1 SS3av6GbMr6LJf8IGsOFd3esXK5dYa4_vwLki9j46K3l6o4P0fPfZMYuyuiK kthLdKYQo.t_.1o4bXm2J.K650DjpO70VTIGy27ElFhHTlxd5cPcgomQ2qkw IHxiilTUCMKg6YBQzuISD.rFwy.N0QkAMMm8ZF1mojYlAKtNe.c0Vh9Qe0Og ffEjIGBIUpl8niOtjJ76_uxLHUBFui3BCfuFQu7TI254cVBgpvCGpPeSywoF CP1sM8y9bXDvJDBu6oAdC6yQJvHO2zuJXiPJd9QYHigdORi7DriQ2ie.LYwJ ARe_QH0ZpeDKgw4BVOXEHQ2mRBM_.piQlf7s5kaWnhZClNqX1sx7_SXLtLZ2 HtyAkxBPbBN7bKgFbIrV9bJpgvYBtek_KXNhdyjz7Ux0ZFVIAdrKbtTwhtnG Tw1P6LYrH1jbdzHR4psbx3RBaNXgx0HB2E7lrTLRzSQELfKPfVkOkEXYDNwT o8LofPSRlOX5pBY0or0zxPywH0KlKlInSoQs- Received: from [99.60.75.95] by web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 08:42:51 PDT Sm9lLCB3aGF0IGlzIHRoZSBzaXplIG9mIHRoaXMgZGVjYWw_wqAgVGhhbmtzLCBKaW0KCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IEpvZSBBbGV4YW5kZXIgPG4xOTd0cjRAY3MuY29tPgpUbzogZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0ClNlbnQ6IFR1ZSwgTWF5IDI4LCAyMDEzIDE6MDk6MTYgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW0ZvdF0gRk9UIERlY2FscwoKSSBkaWRudCBleHBlY3Qgc3VjaCBhIGZsdXJyeSBvZiBhY3Rpdml0eSBvbiB0aGUgZGVjYWxzLiBXZSBhcmUgbW92aW5nIHF1aWNrbHkKcGEBMAEBAQE- References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: sherry robyn To: Joe Alexander , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, what is the size of this decal? Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 1:09:16 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT Decals I didnt expect such a flurry of activity on the decals. We are moving quickly past 70 of 100 being delivered. I did a spread sheet but may make some mistakes in delivery. If you get too many or none at all, let me know and I will deal with it. We could run another 100, but I am not real anxious to do this right away. Thanks to everyone for their enthusiasm. Makes the whole thing a lot of fun. Thanks, Joe A. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 10:57:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21990406AD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C26DA427BD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28679 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2013 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2013 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from [50.83.131.11] (port=63820 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UhjcO-0000Et-Sj; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:52:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:52:55 -0500 To: sherry robyn ,Joe Alexander , fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <1369842171.81567.YahooMailRC@web184804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.131.11 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Decals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I received mine - they look to be about 3" high x 4" wide. They are nicely trimmed too. Tony Drews At 10:42 AM 5/29/2013, sherry robyn wrote: >Joe, what is the size of this decal? Thanks, Jim >________________________________ >From: Joe Alexander >To: >fot@autox.team.net >Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 1:09:16 PM >Subject: [Fot] FOT >Decals > >I didnt expect such a flurry of activity on the decals. We are moving >quickly >past 70 of 100 being delivered. > >I did a spread sheet but may make >some mistakes in delivery. If you get too >many or none at all, let me know and >I will deal with it. > >We could run another 100, but I am not real anxious to >do this right away. > >Thanks to everyone for their enthusiasm. Makes the whole >thing a lot of fun. > >Thanks, > >Joe A. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: >http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 12:33:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD754282D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E6A40537 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.243.91.43] (61.sub-174-228-3.myvzw.com [174.228.3.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4TI1TMm024066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 29 May 2013 14:01:32 -0400 References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <006901ce5bef$f5dff690$e19fe3b0$@com> <001801ce5c37$8c99f620$a5cde260$@com> From: John Hasty Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:01:26 -0400 To: "Robert M. Lang" a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=/WuQbv17DPgTkv/yUDlcOA==:17 a=5kT5-AsE1CTeH8V9D3wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=noQjv9YW-iYA:10 a=KTDso90Uc2QA:10 a=/WuQbv17DPgTkv/yUDlcOA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've had enough sliding around in the dry, thank you! Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 9:20 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2013, MadMarx wrote: > >> We have rain and dry races. >> I must confess, the rain ones are more fun. > > That would make you a "real driver". > > :-) > >> Cheers >> Chris > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 12:33:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AE142817 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:33:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com (mail-bk0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD14403BB for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id jc10so5089749bkc.14 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=NqOiJbgKDow9c/2IVcv3xsS5Bd2NuBAy6ilPCrS4dTk=; b=OCGPwk2hK2MUb5fpcB9rpLT/KCGZTWxdTQc6zbXTMVMUDhBwYL7/69x1Ofy3W41Gz+ frpQMLEXDmP2YxPcNuErx27LH57wXCEcez708P8Y89oBNYXlT84uP51t/Z/8gFdgCv+i RO5UeQqhc52/kUfdKvtCZKjExkv1paQcNIeHfQ/YA74c4Kl8DUqqQ+smeTQt1A0Ak5i6 Z8A2yPHoIqMCMHTCj34nI2ypuUoKarIewhIetZFhbtd/cvx/ghecQ9lJZA4C4hu0Avbe Po4s305Ouy74tK4ufaJ27oF56Yo5tQrmR31WDLOrJK3JCBdwH+8jTVIrE5qMwd+ScsrX FGLw== cz6mr963501bkb.122.1369850676129; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-41-184-150.web.vodafone.de. [109.41.184.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rj5sm11629914bkb.1.2013.05.29.11.04.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 11:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Robert M. Lang'" References: <79D78256-0A38-4816-A1E6-4CB491C09FD0@cs.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01F417ADD88F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <006901ce5bef$f5dff690$e19fe3b0$@com> <001801ce5c37$8c99f620$a5cde260$@com> <141BFFB0-A173-490C-B9BE-5A34C1DA0130@gdhs.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:04:36 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5clo9W06JmAxWwRV2RUZHnfVGqDQAAGEkw Content-Language: de Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Too low tire pressure ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty@gdhs.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Mai 2013 20:01 An: Robert M. Lang Cc: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Video Zandvoort I've had enough sliding around in the dry, thank you! Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 9:20 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2013, MadMarx wrote: > >> We have rain and dry races. >> I must confess, the rain ones are more fun. > > That would make you a "real driver". > > :-) > >> Cheers >> Chris > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:53:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC13642807 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-out.emea.daimler.com (mail-out.emea.daimler.com [141.113.102.115]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3816340324 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:31:04 -0600 (MDT) From: peter.bulkowski@mercedes-benz.ca To: triosan@gmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Thread-topic: [Fot] Nomination Thread-index: AQHOW8KhndzS6+nf30mJyoLDeW0FqJka+2Ni Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 19:27:04 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-language: en-US YPLY9XsGu8fOWXfZA5iiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDJevt3MVrCJo2Lb3wamBsb/bF2MnBwSAiYS Ow8tZYawxSQu3FsPFOfiEBI4zSgx/3UXM4Szk1Hi99NPjBDOa0aJ9x9OsUM4exglJq2bBdVz jlFi44YvYIPZBNQkbq1uZwexRQQ0JQ4+ewNmCwvISpw5MYERIi4nMf3hOijbSGLu68+sIDaL gKrEpo2LwOK8AqESk/etB+vlFAiWWHbpHxOIzQg0p7PhHZjNLCAu0dx6kwXiCQGJJXvOQz0k KvHy8T9WCFtG4tzvZ+wQ9ToSvd+/MUPY2hJP3l1ghdglKPFj8j2WCYzis5CMnYWkZRaSlllI WhYwsqxiVEks1k1Kz9NNzTXUNTAy1EvNTU3US0rXS84vKgBGXlGiXl5qySZGcPSJ5O9g3LbM 5hCjAAejEg8v96clgUKsiWXFlbmHGCU4mJVEeC+tBArxpiRWVqUW5ccXleakFh9ilOZgURLn tVuZFCgkkJ5YkpqdmlqQWgSTZeLglGpgnBdV3zVtrsaEQA6Z+ztecm1bIcjqoSfmK97JVba1 59A5xVWc8ULTzr+69ijbe0GHy+HcKfvazxy1vpq24o56dW1D8uflIu/1q8wTje4YeMm+MvuU VLO+zy2Pd9vyOGu7oiMu6+vN/11tW/n9x4z7ES/FDxxTrQz6aTTPxSRgvQTrotNeT3SjlFiK MxINtZiLihMBS4BcJroCAAA= Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second for one more Canadian ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley [mailto:triosan@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 06:38 PM W. Europe Standard Time To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Nomination Racing at Mission in Canada this last weekend I was pleased to find another TR6. Beautiful, street legal car out of Clagary. Driven well by Stephanie Barnes. She did not know of FOT, but was anxious to learn. Car is fast! Email: barnesville@telus.net. Need a second! She is racing this coming weekend with SOVREN in Spokane. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip@mercedes-benz.ca If you are not the addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail by mistake, and delete it. We thank you for your support. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 16:07:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F31E403BB for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CA040424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:39:49 -0600 (MDT) a=yr/eJ6S8SHGIc+/JdDlNag==:17 a=zkYuSOkxadoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=YY5RzPdvHdYA:10 a=oN8N5TyQ5w4A4TqTf-0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1KMCMZcjbdX4b0QdrnYA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=yr/eJ6S8SHGIc+/JdDlNag==:117 Received: from [67.255.13.17] ([67.255.13.17:57913] helo=Shop) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 17/04-12729-1B476A15; Wed, 29 May 2013 21:35:45 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 17:35:48 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5ctHvBLJUJ0LKTSjqCV3pvR6l5Zw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Transponder group buy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are some folks in VRG that are interested in a show of hands for anyone wanting to buy a transponder in a group buy to save a bit on the cost. If anyone is interested let me know and I will forward your contact info. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 19:56:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CA44053C for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A3940523 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.23.216]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MNL003MN87VPC40@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:31:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Tobin" To: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:31:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gang, I have a question about rear brake shoes for the rear of my TR6. For the third time, I'm replacing the rear shoes with uprated ones. For the third time, the new shoes will not accept my finned aluminum drums. With the adjusters backed completely off, the drums won't go on. Before they wouldn't accept the standard drums until I had them turned quite a bit (not a problem, the drums seem to be very thick). I talked too Porterfield and KFP over the last couple years, they both said the shoes were arced to specs. I'm now using Ted S's shoes; same problem. I'd like to run the finned drums but will not have them cut that much undersized. Any insight? Ted? Thanks, Bill PS, if you go to a brake shop and ask about arc grinding shoes, they look at you funny! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:19:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1C9403E9 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD3C40523 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i0XK1l0051eYJf8AE26kNe; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:06:44 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([67.170.200.248]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i26P1l0095N3clv0126jcc; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:06:44 +0000 References: <8D3688A8680242B6AD7E6BC8765CEE55@hpd530> From: Dave Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:06:21 -0700 To: Bill Tobin s=q20121106; t=1369879604; bh=/KMldZxSEnm31CfjNXkrt4SVSgIrLgfHTA33ORn7M+M=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=rajyQWVdiLFnH+dWL6r1zzJEiZKsySjYQch0N2cxtN8LmA/lopcwjs2oR13HkMs+1 eesSiw45oqipTIiWcy2XgEMaHwtpOuqTU6TqJuUwDFMcSLjFg7Zfe5lVWlgo62/l9w WQR6v42xeNqnoTxl7+f7kkXOVnMLVbL6MizzROyYd7L0i90Td80AM0BbhRUGSrwccR RQW3Av0KI+TVy0hhdcUdZ6DeczmPHupwL4QX3o8VTulAruOMVNzrejAmXo0XJSpWE9 xluIMgceSnftsaxwUIHcuIXKqhkzkBcAEgB05AE/Fk/Q7oHZdXtkE7uW8yEa8BLYaG ZJN0M+CRy4S6A== Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I too had this problem with fitting rear shoes from Moss. What I found is that most replacement shoes are oversized to for turned drums. The shoe linings should be no thicker than 3/16". Moss had just received a new shipment and they were concerned enough to solve the problem as quickly as they could. I learned these details of this from my local British master technician and vintage Morgan racer extraordinaire, Greg S. Dave H. Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Hi Gang, I have a question about rear brake shoes for the rear of my TR6. > For the third time, I'm replacing the rear shoes with uprated ones. > For the third time, the new shoes will not accept my finned aluminum drums. > With the adjusters backed completely off, the drums won't go on. Before they > wouldn't accept the standard drums until I had them turned quite a bit (not a > problem, the drums seem to be very thick). > I talked too Porterfield and KFP over the last couple years, they both said > the shoes were arced to specs. I'm now using Ted S's shoes; same problem. > I'd like to run the finned drums but will not have them cut that much > undersized. > Any insight? Ted? > Thanks, Bill > PS, if you go to a brake shop and ask about arc grinding shoes, they look at > you funny! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:19:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8243E42724 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC1B40E20 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hwwZ1l0090lTkoCA928cvg; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:08:36 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([67.170.200.248]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id i28a1l00Q5N3clv8Q28bEC; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:08:35 +0000 References: <8D3688A8680242B6AD7E6BC8765CEE55@hpd530> From: Dave Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:08:34 -0700 To: Bill Tobin s=q20121106; t=1369879716; bh=X7DOmhUJ+oAEESOrK2hC7yHPyMcArdtpahpOOg2iB3M=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=AnIBl1Qu6Kz1yiecB/INhP1VdOy2/VQeHEHqDF76Bl7Q95cQ46n0W50bEMH8dbOHf 0aIWI62PuKcPCIKRPRePiF9fedDySKEN1dAAZAjlc2QfiGbFQCefEQGi5bpxgyl1qZ m+7X5EHUXuXscTZH9NJDdnOUQcbnx4j/5Prm8EfbJJHpEiSRk7wR+3Ah3KYvSpUIYs 0hv/J77su20yfJ1w+urKYgSeDRlDt9qNTJIYV9VOwL3mip5hl+pHf5Rkx9tzeRZAbs saN/irHnC4qZZD9eejhmFGJACfNwDeH5YbOtPVmHGD+4QBnTQeJRCWL8FpDs0Q+JQj GxfnH6hN6YmAA== Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, and Greg happened to have a set of 3/16" thick shoes in stock that went right on. Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Hi Gang, I have a question about rear brake shoes for the rear of my TR6. > For the third time, I'm replacing the rear shoes with uprated ones. > For the third time, the new shoes will not accept my finned aluminum drums. > With the adjusters backed completely off, the drums won't go on. Before they > wouldn't accept the standard drums until I had them turned quite a bit (not a > problem, the drums seem to be very thick). > I talked too Porterfield and KFP over the last couple years, they both said > the shoes were arced to specs. I'm now using Ted S's shoes; same problem. > I'd like to run the finned drums but will not have them cut that much > undersized. > Any insight? Ted? > Thanks, Bill > PS, if you go to a brake shop and ask about arc grinding shoes, they look at > you funny! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:49:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE394054D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FE04068D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:48:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jZCwgS0gEKyq+EWx5F7czLUEQu+Ry2RI4HBeOXLKq/eXGLJg8GA2NJ+l8izFmphi; h=Received:Mime-Version:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.0.70.127] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Uhsqx-0008Vh-Ld for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 May 2013 22:44:35 -0400 References: From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:44:32 -0600 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > Hi Bill, > Common issue for me too. Most of the fined brake drums out there > are 240Z with a bit of machining. I just get the shoes ground to > fit at my last remaining ol' time brake shop. Though I haven't > tried, I suspect that a 240Z shoe would go right on with no fit > problems - but I like Ted's shoes [ can't remember the name or > compound]. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque New Mexico > On May 29, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > >> Hi Gang, I have a question about rear brake shoes for the rear of >> my TR6. >> For the third time, I'm replacing the rear shoes with uprated ones. >> For the third time, the new shoes will not accept my finned >> aluminum drums. >> With the adjusters backed completely off, the drums won't go on. >> Before they >> wouldn't accept the standard drums until I had them turned quite a >> bit (not a >> problem, the drums seem to be very thick). >> I talked too Porterfield and KFP over the last couple years, they >> both said >> the shoes were arced to specs. I'm now using Ted S's shoes; same >> problem. >> I'd like to run the finned drums but will not have them cut that much >> undersized. >> Any insight? Ted? >> Thanks, Bill >> PS, if you go to a brake shop and ask about arc grinding shoes, >> they look at >> you funny! >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 06:14:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCAF42753 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:14:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f178.google.com (mail-qc0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFAE403BB for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id l11so66029qcy.23 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:10:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0jXoRmKPFQ9g1SIJdRVM4SIoP2yjynxtMrEVZ1YkZbc=; b=sMKV+sytyKeoQdMYxwEhi7eT15hypyk2Xk8X/KuBttKmT5J2p7xJizAclsm7Fn/Bdc 3ZNjLPxkfVUh+QFr6oXVcl1u6WaJVzL55Fhbpt+U4p11Ivj3Mf6WRrVi9s6CQv1Ajcy6 jzIou/6fPpXKt6BLLn/7jpxsY+aXPBGVlHe3EzJZ7EbZh2MQzd2fzzc50fC2nqsQGhLI 2mWAKr7U1zjZNDlZT6KjW8Ul2EdWZsWQFCkxRU9iGj+PQ1bfY+TUQ+HLs2bHg0UwR2PL rT4mSYUHB6sZccOJMRuxKbu5mXLhLeG49JEut5yb28fi7JmxX5IcrM6CCywnS7ka5jLE pmBA== r14mr6758191qeu.37.1369915843335; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.130.227 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:10:43 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:10:43 -0400 From: Robert Deanes To: Greg Lunker Hilyer Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I run Ted's shoes also and like them , I also had a small fit problem where I had to cut the edge of the pad to keep from scrubbing, five min. and it fitted fine. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer < Lunkercars@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi Bill, >> Common issue for me too. Most of the fined brake drums out there are 240Z >> with a bit of machining. I just get the shoes ground to fit at my last >> remaining ol' time brake shop. Though I haven't tried, I suspect that a >> 240Z shoe would go right on with no fit problems - but I like Ted's shoes [ >> can't remember the name or compound]. >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque New Mexico >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: >> >> Hi Gang, I have a question about rear brake shoes for the rear of my TR6. >>> For the third time, I'm replacing the rear shoes with uprated ones. >>> For the third time, the new shoes will not accept my finned aluminum >>> drums. >>> With the adjusters backed completely off, the drums won't go on. Before >>> they >>> wouldn't accept the standard drums until I had them turned quite a bit >>> (not a >>> problem, the drums seem to be very thick). >>> I talked too Porterfield and KFP over the last couple years, they both >>> said >>> the shoes were arced to specs. I'm now using Ted S's shoes; same problem. >>> I'd like to run the finned drums but will not have them cut that much >>> undersized. >>> Any insight? Ted? >>> Thanks, Bill >>> PS, if you go to a brake shop and ask about arc grinding shoes, they >>> look at >>> you funny! >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/fot/lunkercars@**earthlink.net >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 07:47:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2101A4006C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA9140400 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 13:43:19 -0000 Received: from [98.136.185.47] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 13:43:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 13:43:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369921399; bh=tMMBdYGibRMVY6AuI/tuzCo877SnyZPdj9QmwxQufDo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=dShxDoerSp8b+owwlw8YGSQAhmym/VbsX/lVHMMGGaLmh0pjIGAg4/NKCdiax+itIy3o3A3Jzo0a9k11Lsvt3BGHLDHkqgEdTfjcxDf3bV2HzFuDjl7K2wfm1H4xIrKouregxakdiSErbVnIPZliGbTSSldWOyMrFS6SNjjnEis= OzsDNxI2uHQKObdiXn1ICdaQ.rclMcDzT2s3vTEWqkJyQYZn.ccKCv6GxK_q IA4Bp.0fw964ODQsrW7u9VW0ihdzj7cHl_LM9ldnGDORpzX5Wa26j7MClLJa zLUo_J2HzXSH4mTrotxLzEQ0bt3HgE_HXmOOuNiFD2DC2XAJIEzbIOku7K2v AAtn0VVGirbkMELU5qQBl08wrnarj4rH0go_bhfxwyrOTwR4FKjZDD.zUqjL EH2j0ajjGa_ioR273eiEPyqYrM5cygAxmFXlR36aNMPaz0tcd1l6oeYY8IEl H23vBDZ5DbRftYyY4YDAVfuVVYHxBgAXHBO4M58rQndEp3Dsgmhz5m__MUHE l0gjPt3pooQiXK1B0iVaCm4zV4Ggoq6tRmjqb6EIetWHzEdc09d5kNU_5E0V VgMIapWP6s6Pp5Xg67JaLSZilWt8ZBVlng5V6jd8dJgaaKstrSxyVBiyW by smtp108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2013 06:43:19 -0700 PDT References: <8D3688A8680242B6AD7E6BC8765CEE55@hpd530> From: Mike Munson Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:43:11 -0400 To: Bill Tobin Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >From what I remember the 240z drums were a smaller radius (metric dimension) than the TR6 drums, so you will have to have the shoes trimmed to the smaller 240 z radius. A PIA so that's why I changed over to discs 20 years ago. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 09:48:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D541B4274F for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com (mail-pb0-f51.google.com [209.85.160.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D7D40511 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id jt11so578966pbb.10 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Gmu/q0Ev1tzEAqpcbNi6T8fuPkQz0i220iK86l/+mHk=; b=X4KCiugOAuEN8JRUMLOobr8t8td0HPOflKN3vEbHjpEEsQUN6hMLfXVrGcuhPu6yMP 0LisSdOy2kKWG4eNWg90Wfb5vQDj2kA78bIOiTobPXcjTgXdTUtlnh8r1DoYyCzrbONx +7zasibprute8FodT/Mj+RJs+xItjAAQYbwphAja8rk5tmXkBUI5/jcBeQRdi6io7F17 6e0pjYxMSXpOdyTxOeMagQuFTQsHLBGFNf7YpTiErxBSXgqxvjT8KP9GRlZ1czUxfcap zjyK7neYZLXIk2m/8Dmv7DkiyT34jr8Enu0eXjP01EI746XNiuWh5hpTbKpWIOe1KBr8 Q2IQ== t8mr8963083pan.65.1369928684250; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.26.15 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D02A2DE515D4E9-2228-C4F5@webmail-d234.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:44:44 -0700 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Mgruber921 , Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Need a front clip for my TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I got a clip from a local British car dealer -- expensive but whole and in good shape. Now for some cutting, bending, welding and painting to get it all back in shape. Chuck On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Mgruber921 wrote: > Chuck > Have very good front clip, every thing you need but I am in ALA. You > coming this way anytime soon. > > Marv > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley > To: Friends ; Triumph <6pack@autox.team.net> > Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 11:45 pm > Subject: [6pack] Need a front clip for my TR6 > > Somew eekends ar really good [like two weeks ago when Iset my personal best > by half a second at PAcific Raceways]. some are pretty lousy, like when I > hit the front straight wall at Mission in Canada attempting a pass in the > rain. Now a need a front clip [everything forward of the fr > irewall]. suspension and frame are ok. See link below for damage pictures. > https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5882875292021172593?authkey=CIXV_rCP84PJAQ > > > Chuck in Tacoma, WA > > ________________________________________ > 6pack@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mgruber921@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 10:35:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0493742742 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:35:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36CC40357 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iAKq1l0040mv7h057GT5hM; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:27:05 +0000 Received: from sz0053.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iGT51l00i2xV5no3XGT5RR; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:27:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:27:05 +0000 (UTC) From: sgroh1@comcast.net To: fot s=q20121106; t=1369931225; bh=ER8vW4TWwY1Su6rs+Hk1C9nsJvAknO8tdAzLgL9Rnvw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=YCbF6/KTsSajaX7HlM3mGJi/Mo5DFSotm5rChnXAI2ny90DP2LYTzBLNi4+tsCqAG JoznaHLu42v81gwGtBdrAO4ENU0RVA6X8hFkM7eeW6AarGXF62Wvw2r5ziw3OpoRXE vUbZQHKltcB2+XRyFgoUiEzlotIDFODNLD4spizhChSHURNPXzsBYWLtZTan9bRMHW e3+6XkSlQuXSfWJG6iOg7eXNXZqY0boXn/3Thm2SH0HWORVOFpIDSmif2i1uuk/1DW WA0Qwk1u+P76tKTTyUzCX9jGhyeBeV23+ukhPIfZCwBgDDTRFRnAorw50m+6vuhjM0 kZkylnDc82t/g== Subject: [Fot] Needed: Mk 3 Spitfire Bonnet!!!! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, I am in need of a restorable Spitfire Mk3 bonnet - mine was damaged beyond repair at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point.B Any leads greatly appreciated!!! Sincerely, Steve Groh, #393 Spitfire 410-322-9047 sgroh1@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 12:40:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE8C4271D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C1B4271D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4UIaC06000877 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:36:18 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:36:12 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5dZI7/xMfhs3rfSqiN1fM2VPmceg== a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=FnBkQJ4B3a1gK2ORc1sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] Sway Bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If so, how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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[209.216.191.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dc3sm4659451pbc.9.2013.05.30.11.39.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 11:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:39:40 -0700 References: <6EA1EE7D454D403F9E701E9C938C66CF@gdhs.local> To: "john hasty" Cc: Fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony added a very light sway bar to Peyote last year after despite my longstanding arguement that a rear swaybar on a TR3 screws up the handling. I tried a heavier one years ago and it was horrible. Naturally Tony's addition works tremendously well and knocked a second or two off my time. The trick seems to be VERY LIGHT sway bar. 5/8" is probably too heavy, though maybe Tony will chime in. It's very sensitive to adjustment. On May 30, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "john hasty" wrote: > TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If so, > how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 12:58:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6E94278D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288DB42722 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id ADED070040671; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 26C43E0001A7; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:54:02 -0400 (EDT) References: <6EA1EE7D454D403F9E701E9C938C66CF@gdhs.local> From: Joe Alexander Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:53:50 -0500 To: john hasty x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369940042; bh=YP0bUUOHyfb6IaEr9sHr8sKs4G3vZUfiZ6u+Lah+33s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=GBxW29wHSTWDmCPcOsC8DtOEvdKEtdA1rhS6iCUoRzqYH42NRa585fSEMTnI+bE1Z CxjOD2WXveY2jTPm8SnhjoiR9QRVbX1cf2QNsS1rtQ42hwq9Oa37K1l3Ub8/zb1fL4 CaPdfGGuJzZOLA2Xwgez5x31nCUpD7hYnnU8BeWY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290251a7a0480ca2 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Almost everyone who has run a rear sway bar has removed it. Years ago it was discussed with a TR3 racer at RA. He disconnected sway bar and immediately 2 seconds faster than he had ever run before. They may work well on the the street, but it seems that at some point in hard racing, it breaks the rear end loose. Some one else likely can explain this better. Joe A Sent from my iPad On May 30, 2013, at 1:36 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If so, > how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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Did maybe a lap of Summit Point with it on and pulled in to take it off immediately. Seems it kept pushing him into the dirt. That was on a Spitfire, maybe TR3 is different but I would be surprised. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:54 PM To: john hasty Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars Almost everyone who has run a rear sway bar has removed it. Years ago it was discussed with a TR3 racer at RA. He disconnected sway bar and immediately 2 seconds faster than he had ever run before. They may work well on the the street, but it seems that at some point in hard racing, it breaks the rear end loose. Some one else likely can explain this better. Joe A Sent from my iPad On May 30, 2013, at 1:36 PM, "john hasty" wrote: > TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If > so, how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any > attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies > of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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I tried a heavier one years ago and it was horrible. Naturally Tony's addition works tremendously well and knocked a second or two off my time. The trick seems to be VERY LIGHT sway bar. 5/8" is probably too heavy, though maybe Tony will chime in. It's very sensitive to adjustment. On May 30, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "john hasty" wrote: > TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If so, > how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6369 - Release Date: 05/30/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 13:59:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBEE42771 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr03.ntelos.net (mailrtr03.ntelos.net [216.12.0.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7CA40418 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 13:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr03.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r4UJt5GA003087; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:55:05 -0400 Received: from d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.234.204]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Thu, 30 May 2013 15:55:05 -0400 References: <6EA1EE7D454D403F9E701E9C938C66CF@gdhs.local> <1E4D2791-B08A-4B85-A83D-578FDB1E9B3A@bnj.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:55:05 -0400 From: "R. John Lye" To: riverside@southslope.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Cc: Bill Babcock , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Exactly. Depending on what you want the car to do, and what else you have done, a rear sway bar can help you or can hurt. It is all about the balance. If you run no front sway bar, or a small one, a rear sway bar on a TR-3 is probably too much. If you run a heavy front sway bar, you might need a rear sway bar to balance the handling out. You need to look at the whole package, not just one end at a time. For example, my solid axle TR-4 used very heavy front and rear sway bars, and I think that anyone who drove it would say that it handled pretty well - for autocross, where a loose rear end (ie, a car that oversteers slightly)can be an asset. Along with the sway bars, though, that car also had changes to the front camber, stiff shocks and a very aggressive alignment (toe out). I hope that helps, John On Thu, May 30, 2013 3:04 pm, riverside@southslope.net wrote: > It is hard to make a sway bar recommendation without > knowing the rest of the front and rear suspension > details. > > art de armond > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:39 PM > To: john hasty > Cc: Fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars > > Tony added a very light sway bar to Peyote last year after despite my > longstanding arguement that a rear swaybar on a TR3 screws up the > handling. > I > tried a heavier one years ago and it was horrible. Naturally Tony's > addition > works tremendously well and knocked a second or two off my time. The trick > seems to be VERY LIGHT sway bar. 5/8" is probably too heavy, though maybe > Tony > will chime in. It's very sensitive to adjustment. > > > > > On May 30, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "john hasty" wrote: > >> TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If >> so, >> how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any >> attachments) > is >> intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information >> that >> is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK >> PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >> received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message >> and its attachments and notify us immediately. 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It's very sensitive to adjustment. Ditto. FWIW, I ran the ADDCO bars (3/4" front, 5/8" rear) for many years on my street TR3A. On the street, I liked the setup, although I did install harder bushings to get more action from the front bar, and left the links pretty loose at the rear (for less action). My next step was going to be a stiffer bar in the front (probably a 3/4" bar with the extra bends to attach nearer the uprights instead of in the middle of the A-arm like the ADDCO kit). But on the track, the rear bar was definitely too much. I didn't get a good before & after because I changed some other things at the same time; but I did pick up about a second at the VTR 2000 autocross with the rear bar disconnected. I also reconnected it for the drive home and left it that way. On the street, maintaining control during an emergency maneuver is more important to me, than being able to put down power during a hard turn. On the track, it's just the opposite. If/when I install a rear bar again, it will be with the spring-loaded links that allow for fine adjustment of roll stiffness. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 14:28:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D624055D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B52C403B1 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=AGZHapFuM4sA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=f5_YIhxpZUqduxcSlq4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:59341] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 63/2F-22496-265B7A15; Thu, 30 May 2013 20:24:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 13:24:02 -0700 From: Randall Cc: Fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Bill Babcock wrote: > The trick > seems to be VERY LIGHT sway bar. 5/8" is probably too heavy, though maybe Tony > will chime in. It's very sensitive to adjustment. Ditto. FWIW, I ran the ADDCO bars (3/4" front, 5/8" rear) for many years on my street TR3A. On the street, I liked the setup, although I did install harder bushings to get more action from the front bar, and left the links pretty loose at the rear (for less action). My next step was going to be a stiffer bar in the front (probably a 3/4" bar with the extra bends to attach nearer the uprights instead of in the middle of the A-arm like the ADDCO kit). But on the track, the rear bar was definitely too much. I didn't get a good before & after because I changed some other things at the same time; but I did pick up about a second at the VTR 2000 autocross with the rear bar disconnected. I also reconnected it for the drive home and left it that way. On the street, maintaining control during an emergency maneuver is more important to me, than being able to put down power during a hard turn. On the track, it's just the opposite. If/when I install a rear bar again, it will be with the spring-loaded links that allow for fine adjustment of roll stiffness. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 14:56:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339F0403F6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:56:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail168c2.megamailservers.com (mail168c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069D4403F6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.228.221.204] (148.sub-174-254-148.myvzw.com [174.254.148.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail168c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4UKqZ19017856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:52:38 -0400 From: John Hasty Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:52:34 -0400 To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OTp6EoRu4s5/ZpoZ9JdFzg==:17 a=XVaWFHAJOHQV-G8mjc0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OTp6EoRu4s5/ZpoZ9JdFzg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Fot] Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. We have a 3/4 " front bar & and the car is pretty neutral only " plows" in tight flat or off camber turns like #1at VIR. But I have too much lean in fast turns like 1&12 at Road Atlanta and Hog Pen at VIR. The rear tires rub the fenders. Maybe my 210 lbs adds to this, but my main objective is to harden up the rear without inducing oversteer. I've learned to control under steer but oversteer at speed is not something I'm comfortable with as of yet. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 15:40:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F322440E16 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42F7403FE for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130530213514391; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:35:14 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 530030947; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:35:09 -0500 From: To: "John Hasty" , "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" References: <40FA9EF2-3EFF-4062-BE83-F6C75BF663C8@gdhs.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:35:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you only stiffen the back, you may easily get too much oversteer. Maybe some stiffer front springs would be a good partner for the rear bar since you would like less body roll. I prefer to not add roll stiffness at the front with a bar. If don't like a beam axle at the front. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:52 PM To: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Sway bar Thanks guys. We have a 3/4 " front bar & and the car is pretty neutral only " plows" in tight flat or off camber turns like #1at VIR. But I have too much lean in fast turns like 1&12 at Road Atlanta and Hog Pen at VIR. The rear tires rub the fenders. Maybe my 210 lbs adds to this, but my main objective is to harden up the rear without inducing oversteer. I've learned to control under steer but oversteer at speed is not something I'm comfortable with as of yet. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6369 - Release Date: 05/30/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 15:44:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E4B42757 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8BB40400 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hu16so100041qab.17 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:40:17 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=ce/cSfem/ADXizFFaPu2cVvtMQCxtZNG9v13CxpbMtA=; b=lgLoMQab00JhXWu8alzMXSvmKicRUNtyqXA6uY3x2mx0nVPXldiQgzisjxSkizhYj0 V7Aj3Y7VKNzcDBis7pi99btAYLfE9tWhufxq2LjH7+VUcqAVioVA1bcTFj71Ka7DwVub +9GB547UWmqqajRXDonRV0lFkO65u1slBZZGBiIpvncGINf7Kmy+1+dilTqZYY0jTeln SUf4nwSX00dS+QWY8OjEGCS8aJB5k4Z7bSiW6w2gJSMr1Dq38Gww/cRUxtuUN9BpX50n 2n8O3KyyiMWetDhX2jtgExIpBXVjj4t2QTvtSeUVVkNsgB26dGV5OYA/8qoj+NrD2FOt YoqQ== Thu, 30 May 2013 14:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.0.74 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 07:39:57 +1000 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] brake question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net the 240Z finned drum is 228mm (8.97") stock. the max suggested is 9.055" and I've successfully used them larger than this with thicker linings this is 0.030" smaller than a TR which is 9.00" stock the way i do this, is to machine the Z drums to a sensible size, then get the shoes relined and radius ground to match the drum. no hassles at all. find a "old school" brake shop with a shoe grinder Terry Road and Track 66 Pine Mountain Road North Ipswich, 4305 Queensland, AUSTRALIA ph 07-32018866 fax 07-32017079 www.roadandtrack.net.au http://www.facebook.com/RoadAndTrack1 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 15:54:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4D940687 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f45.google.com (mail-bk0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8336F403CF for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id je9so407428bkc.4 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=eGUOLivEGrDuih9TZeTigUXfpYEoz+sn+QAwhTryBH4=; b=iOuWV++bImI5/ihf6oaCkveH29tAQIIfA7uRESAP4ghfUFkGAr0PDe15KYHh7q3KXs OV+SJDQm1Drkk+e57BW5kPm3bTbho8drYNs//iQK4smolZERG5LMgraxQb5PZiJe6G4K Fo00icc7dDSfCI59MU/V0XX8pdW5MqqZ5ICadJ7uYYNTdHjwZ7xL6dr63+UuGmHKWSll h5mxEBqEy8OLvEFVELMrcKKdL2jwTwozKXPQXQFBwDolNIP2b+o75+uK1VyNIhB/LBiM pVVONNVMnlzQ5BOkVWlF2B3hCB0q0jCXm5V28auSWG+br0dNybUrIfvXep0qlbF+JkA0 riVg== p14mr2411689bkz.115.1369950281063; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (ip-109-84-19-27.web.vodafone.de. [109.84.19.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iy11sm14308469bkb.11.2013.05.30.14.44.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 14:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <6EA1EE7D454D403F9E701E9C938C66CF@gdhs.local> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 23:44:22 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac5dZI7/xMfhs3rfSqiN1fM2VPmcegAGdfTQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway Bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm a friend of rear sway bars. I use a 11/16" one. But fitting one depends on the whole setup. I have a very soft springs much camber and set the car to a gentle understeer. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von john hasty Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2013 20:36 An: Fot@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Sway Bars TR3 racers (or anyone else) Anyone run a Addco 5/8" rear sway bar? If so, how does it do? If not, why? Any other brand rear bars used? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 06:15:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2BF4054C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 06:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-0.cniteam.com (omr-relay-0.cniteam.com [209.143.0.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FCB40397 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 06:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-0.cniteam.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r4VBJAJj009337 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 08:07:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id BZN54940 (AUTH tws@bright.net) for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 08:07:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:07:13 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: FOT refid=str=0001.0A020207.51A89273.00B0,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine Subject: [Fot] brakes & sway bars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the positive comments on our Kevlar shoes. For those unfamiliar with the prduct, we reline brake shoes with Kevlar. This is a drum "friendly" product, fairly high coefficiednt of friction (.45 - .47) and does not need to be warmed up. So, you have brakes the first time you hit the pedal and are consistent from then on . Since these are relined shoes, we can pretty well do anything. Shoes for our cars are $65/set of 4. For race applications we bond and rivet. Larger shoes, such as American cars, can be done but at a higher price. Bad news is there is going to be a price increase to effective June 1. If you order soon and specify FOT price, wqe will honor the $65. Offer good through June 15. Sway bars are used to "tune" a suspension. If everything else is not done first, frame straight to springs to bushings, throwing a sway bar at the car does not fix anything, only acts as a bandage. Our website, www.tsimportedautomotive.com. has a section on waybar rates and handling "what if's". Click Product Information" and take a look. Some of the rear bars use a really quesionalbe mounting method. It involves drilling holes in lower frame rail and using a rectangular "U" bolt to retain the bar mount. A lot to ask from a frame that is 40+ years old. We redesigned a rear mount that does not require frame to be drilled and allows fore/aft movement to change bar rate. Yes, we do make bars. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. 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[69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c31sm70501548yhn.6.2013.05.31.14.39.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 May 2013 14:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:39:19 -0500 To: FOT of Subject: [Fot] free Mk4/5 Spitfire tub in Austin, TX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This circulated in our local Triumph Club. The photo I saw suggested the car had been pieced together under the seats. I can email the photo off-group if someone is interested. I have nothing to do with this car; just passing along the info. Duncan >>Howdy Steve: I parted out this little spitfire because itturned out that the front and back halves of the tub where from two different cars. I don't know if anyone in the club needs some replacement metal for a MKIV - MKV, if they do they can call me up and come pick it up, otherwise I am going to scrap it in the next few days. (Yes it is free) Art Schoenig artschoenigco@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 20:24:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEE740449 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:24:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9706C403B2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iora1l0020bG4ec56qFq9z; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:15:50 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iqFq1l00l1EiJYf3PqFqMW; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 02:15:50 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: "John Hasty" , "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" References: <40FA9EF2-3EFF-4062-BE83-F6C75BF663C8@gdhs.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:15:47 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1370052950; bh=n2BQ0guwyfVRWpxJeEgavnfzxFooEso0FEP1T7VC1B8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=LcpptMuTCA4OZzJitXAyCV1qLjS1wNMICYwSgCGbchTlhQ1EwpMdtoKBT6fwq+cyJ Ey5UuhGcKIATXIUjrQJQdB9pqzG4d7T9sIm6618qsvvEKfpU/G1ffOZ6nShCLxZsYA afmeo1vvmz8X3PDOxtD3nIlPvseWs0kOJlpK4Rs0HjVsW+GEMQyU32928uIMMAFiGW dEGXqSHO6XOfAgb2C0dv4k9ASabI40mNktU+koZfdUsSVDuqU6mlUd5oOcL5nsmWxQ dHB5jtoXHNTZwvPerhVzwCaC28gybjGf+aMtijVgg1Uv6ukd7FzEvUZwa1+nkpnVKe AvM0oEqgaqlTA== Subject: Re: [Fot] Sway bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A bar on the rear of a TR3 usually causes the inside rear tire to lift on tight turns. If you have a stock diff or a Quaife you may well spin. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Sway bar > Thanks guys. We have a 3/4 " front bar & and the car is pretty neutral > only " > plows" in tight flat or off camber turns like #1at VIR. But I have too > much > lean in fast turns like 1&12 at Road Atlanta and Hog Pen at VIR. The rear > tires rub the fenders. Maybe my 210 lbs adds to this, but my main > objective > is to harden up the rear without inducing oversteer. I've learned to > control > under steer but oversteer at speed is not something I'm comfortable with > as of > yet. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive