From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 13:13:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C554054B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA91403E0 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:57:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA1DeGxV013622; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:40:21 -0400 From: "john hasty" To: "'Van Mulders Marcel'" References: <1254EE2A-759F-4CF0-9B90-BB496853BBD5@gdhs.com> <9241DAF98EF94BAF8CEB7319AAD9053C@GebruikerPC> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:40:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7WeAio+pIEDO99Sj6rXQCjUT7h4wAD7x/wAB/6TVA= a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=h7A3awOFe7xTy9QN2owA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=M-IcNRZsf4a29TPe:21 a=sdW67ZXCHBF705dE:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Header Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Remember it is important to either send them a template or get the engine plate and match it to your head before they make the headers. Also you have to specify 1 5/8 ID and 16 gage tubing John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Van Mulders Marcel [mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:26 PM To: 'John Hasty' Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: RE: Header Thanks. I went to the Stahl website to buy a header. The webside is confirming that Stahl is going out of business at the end of this year. Hope I can still get a header. Marcel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty@gdhs.com] Verzonden: donderdag 31 oktober 2013 21:29 Aan: Van Mulders Marcel Onderwerp: Header Tube length = 32 1/2 inches Tube ID = 1 5/8 inches Collector ID = 3 1/2 inches Tubes are braised to plate & polished smooth inside. I am sure the tubes go into the collector a few inches, bud can't tell how far. Hope this helps. Cheers! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 08:32:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BD74040D for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6BB403F8 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS30 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:30:15 -0700 From: Marty To: "FOT " Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:30:16 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac7X106ZLmkRHohbQMKFGoSo+V3ERA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[0C00CD50:01CED7D8] Subject: [Fot] Nitriding Camshafts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen quite a bit of discussion on nitriding Triumph crankshafts being a good thing to do. Not much mention on camshafts. With the lobe failures not being unheard of previously I was wondering if nitriding a camshaft would be a good idea. Any thoughts on this? Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 09:06:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AA040434 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8907D40395 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 161F17015C544; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dtd005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.145]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B4817E000085; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:38:56 -0400 (EDT) References: <5C98657278624F99B71FB430AA163490@DonPC> To: 1958tr3a@videotron.ca, fot@autox.team.net Received: from 71.29.173.154 by webmail-vd002.sysops.aol.com (205.188.20.35) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 10:38:56 -0400 From: Bruce Lapierre Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:38:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383403137; bh=80BGadXRbx2pZaumNaF4azVb1lw1q/8W5ygfD0tEKrk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sYwj7OrDQmFcJmF1s4Yxo5oF8MN7gAsi4ysCBFt7kRwhmxjUfYHGMm/mO3gg05NS0 u6ykjj1xbnVwKJnwDIe1arhtetJJ20vgzo70kI7e2b5ILRuuKwoqXmdIvG258pb+Hp AbCX/y12pNyoGjd5KOfiT/6SkoLxD7YK/QISnGD4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc52750e805a8f Cc: rainbowridgefarm@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Need TR3a front bumper bar and front apron for my 1958 TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don: Think I might have found you some pieces - parts. Ron Chernicky has a front clip and a bunch of other sheet work for 2's & 3's. He used to race both locally and has a wealth of knowledge on vintage go fast stuff also. Might be a great contact for FoT Contact info rainbowridgefarm@windstream.net 440-338-6863 Good Luck Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Don Elliott <1958tr3a@videotron.ca> To: fot Sent: Wed, Oct 30, 2013 12:43 am Subject: [Fot] Need TR3a front bumper bar and front apron for my 1958 TR3A Friends I smashed in the front of my concours 1958 TR3A last Sunday and I need these arts. If you have either, let me know. The insurance adjuster told me he ants to use new parts but the repro bumper bars flare out on the ends like ars and the supply of valances may take months to supply. If you have nice ndented parts, I'd love to see a photo or two. Please reply to me directly by e-mail - just leave out the blanks in my ddress below and use the correct @ and . in place of "at" and "dot". e-mail ; - 58tr3a "at" videotron "dot" ca Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal, Canada The adjuster agrees to paying all the packing, shipping, brokerage fees etc. e told me "We have to make it right - as it was before the accident". ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 10:21:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B26F40417 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F92403F5 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A5EE57015062D for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dsb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.5]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 68856E000082 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: KENMUN@aol.com Full-name: KENMUN Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383408578; bh=t6xRmyvJ6v+/oX7s2K5FTChzcPMbSgTzmbE44r4Yvp8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jfRe+D4ORPv6k/MiphUneyBXRgkL34Il88ko5C0VfvjoaWsQaBFiJayvFn1GGxrbe FhPydvokiT19my8gjwqi6QX69f3PdFZ418jJdN1ouWLJS9H+t0k3WSx4+588y0A92a RJQ9tXfhnmxks0za3n5mYMsp8KjW9ANAAJruKwoI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c527523c25884 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 front cross tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net looking for subject part. goes between shock towers. thanks for any help, ken m. vintage tr 3 racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 11:28:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EABF40410 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4132C403F8 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vwm1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.31]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MVN001B7BRP3YP0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.83.138.143] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:11:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:11:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Redmond To: KENMUN@aol.com References: <59cd8.1102e01e.3fa67dc2@aol.com> User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tr 3 front cross tube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ken, I have an extra one. Its yours for the shipping. Todd On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:09 PM, KENMUN@aol.com wrote: > looking for subject part. goes between shock towers. thanks for any > help, ken m. vintage tr 3 racer > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 18:47:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6047B40411 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898DA403DD for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id koPx1m00217UAYkABogG2i; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 00:40:16 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.4.249.195]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kogF1m0064Dhf3s8ZogFB3; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 00:40:16 +0000 From: Dave Hogye Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 17:40:14 -0700 To: Friends of Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1383439216; bh=crSF9Mw5Xkdd+J4gs9j+2TNY6OVRanN9cPbFP+IUaiE=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To: Mime-Version; b=f+66uowh78sc62STWtCg5bQRFCEZIjfgw2MCG+kdwZcrJtg6bjF53OVSh5ooGq4DW 13Nlal2lwgRFQOZjY3fUePc3OwwSidM7rxnwCFeyEjJDWExECAoPvLXzeWbEAHsShq 9J7dcb8c268Ed9dKkbRZ07Y5MsVCNFmC/TLIsdoj3/R6EbJGbBQcuLygvdnnW8bHnx dEkRXr9vrTlRf+tKuY6Pz4+PeY0drriZcCWJqmNZK/HFMizHjz0Rr0nK0h2zyArs/N JN4mZh6H+DVnJqCkoUPgp39fRKsUmstzADqk7m2E8cK0FprEqSxhO0xvN38mArQyKk SGqa225mtk/uw== Subject: [Fot] First race video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I finally, with the needed assistance of my nephew, got my first race posted on youtube. We had some good laughs with his editing. Especially, the F1 sounding fast forwarding. I completed the race well within my own comfort zone and I'm looking forward to next season. Dave H. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5xR7HaRVk4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 18:50:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE554044C for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B0B403DD for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131102224248725.RMVT13280@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:42:48 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=HRIWtlzwqEwwnbcvfWBrEw==:17 a=5Ad2cfnVzswA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=yU3D_XtlvI4A:10 a=VCZoWOxr7pOP4T5bstUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KIcR-2t0gAYA:10 a=HQ4ws7LbXlYA:10 a=HRIWtlzwqEwwnbcvfWBrEw==:117 Received: from [166.137.121.109] ([166.137.121.109:57510] helo=[10.213.48.96]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 97/51-00701-56F75725; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 22:40:37 +0000 From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 17:40:34 -0500 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear shock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely a bad line into turn 8. Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft area but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need to send off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 19:01:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C98D40431 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D11403C7 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3555770160794; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.21] (unknown [108.166.156.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DEB28E000095; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:56:55 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:56:52 -0500 To: Greg And Alison Blake x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383440216; bh=Sxt2lcTw0bDJIiiXQlnj7OblhcyuvEt+lhSsGO554xE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=dp6j5vJE84nbtzJ3I5ELY7hJIcvLAfkYxbz27ObxHq5m6JYZkB0YjJ7N6QNeop6mQ YtTS1oZChl8vMvgd4Gg87i2l8ToMjyquEBzPKIiM1p5I6+VnjHdjvZE+sYBYe8I/rd opOwYfQmVm5RzF6JAfdFnBxfo93lpjCK9GLo7ik8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294252759f57149c Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Peter Caldwell in Madison. He should pop up, as he is on the list. Great guy! And he has a method of making them adjustable. Jack liked them. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 2, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Greg And Alison Blake wrote: > > After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear > shock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely a > bad line into turn 8. > > Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft > area but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need to > send off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 19:48:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9A440417 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41164040F for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AR5J3QR6XV (cpe-70-113-116-224.austin.res.rr.com [70.113.116.224]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MJT9f-1VfG3W1vPX-002thx; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:15:23 -0400 From: "FoodDude" To: "'Duncan Charlton'" , "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:15:24 -0500 Thread-Index: AQLFVJEZgrru9nm85UowF/fTNxFYiZgluwMg Content-Language: en-us WLqyg47kq7dWqzN369R6WC6gnVNdjYxy3YwICZsw9CbT4c5ACt EIaACqMWwH7aad5FgCCWrz/G2EIGtiIeFUn6brPRs3WihF8qou tYwrEsxVcSrbTCnQRRopYdu6B6nyiR96PDloZe32Vnp31YAyLq zwABGvsrncNLqQEXyCz2nMAQTNv4ybhDvciCqSgyJ/DCsWj9po U9k0CMut1OPIAE4sdam67f75f9deiJKbHs8Cdsun/WGdlns8eF oCJe0IPUqtUhmloACyOUPbQdarX7bMLyqfhPLmEzDRm7yaG2Fd bDy9V6L0YGfFfZNB+D/T7fg+AikQToVR2Wy25Gds5 Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA at CotA -- photos and article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The BRG #24 64 Spit is on about page 5 of the gallery that starts on the last page.. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:13 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] SVRA at CotA -- photos and article Pictures and a short article here: http://www.sportscardigest.com/svra-us-vintage-racing-national-championship- 2 013-report-and-photos/ Greg Blake's silver TR3 is shown and my red Morgan is among the slide show after the pages transition to thumbnails. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dforeman@fooddude.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3222/6776 - Release Date: 10/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 20:07:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0801E40440 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6585140398 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DD0D670000088; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dtd005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.145]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 71E2CE000088; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:39:51 -0400 (EDT) References: To: ablake2@austin.rr.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 71.29.173.154 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:39:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:39:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383442791; bh=bh8AnJwyScIHBKO05VUi2mJJP1+RZ4WTlKzl/8OVmIY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HNkql1OTlbEluk6lRV9A6JeERyH/B/t+OIVqbkXan/wxLo7onu1u+7g5+6umcKy6S 6MgWpEkJ9kXie9ecJO/zoab3+QCtL9xAH01g7sAOK53A90od24TLU52GxjhLQPKWCt qXK2Uv3LFBf6J1j7VMpO6xyI+P8NoncsJMFIl+MY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc5275a9674055 Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Apple or White Post. I've used both. -----Original Message----- From: Greg And Alison Blake To: FOT Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear hock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely a ad line into turn 8. Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft rea but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need to end off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. Thanks, ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 20:07:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7340436 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C1D40398 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EAD5270000088; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dtd005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.145]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B4E69E000086; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:40:49 -0400 (EDT) References: To: n197tr4@cs.com, ablake2@austin.rr.com Received: from 71.29.173.154 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:40:49 -0400 From: Bruce Lapierre Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:40:49 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383442849; bh=g3CAqFqOvmi399BapEVcQ3rIxkZDX41MkQEhU4jQ0Bs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rFb1vyWDTpcXA/KA3GUK/InoOPoPzep+EDukvX3wG3tMG5bOp7wyHEvRJWqB9GrZn Rq4oOX9KSEN2H/vbJpkGpEuWGJ2Yf6hfvT8KW+QvuCL9Em1YI+y0Pz3mLRerJRgZIF 1qr3hXC0KBT8krey30CFD6y0BIqhlF91zm49GMy8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5275a9a16aec Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds even better -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: Greg And Alison Blake Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Peter Caldwell in Madison. He should pop up, as he is on the list. Great guy! And he has a method of making them adjustable. Jack liked them. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 2, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Greg And Alison Blake rote: After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear shock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely bad line into turn 8. Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft area but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need o send off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 20:08:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26F240450 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357B4403C7 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:47:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC1AE700000A1; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dtd005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.145]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A6610E000082; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:37:58 -0400 (EDT) References: <3A385E9F-583A-483E-ADC2-80CCDF8F2780@comcast.net> To: dlhogye@comcast.net, Fot@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 71.29.173.154 by webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:37:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:37:58 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383442678; bh=WROOo2MtXMkLxhwP08oEL7Gt0yTmSMECTlXEn6OZiPw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P44Gjv61437wh5YJdEtloyiv/vQ0tn6SqpCFKPZBwD3/4+7LJ/NS0H3YYdz5bBqPx ZpJnKjHVNCErLa1t8ESdpvp1+TRoYLBo2s00KZToUxoCMa8RT3LL+vhHJdgoIyzsNe qUVSYePNj3yG4FX3/G9GY4S50+F4RxIy+WjKCuIg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095275a8f61946 Subject: Re: [Fot] First race video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That F1 stuff is cool. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hogye To: Friends of Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:45 pm Subject: [Fot] First race video Hello Friends, finally, with the needed assistance of my nephew, got my first race posted n youtube. e had some good laughs with his editing. Especially, the F1 sounding fast orwarding. completed the race well within my own comfort zone and I'm looking forward o next season. Dave H. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5xR7HaRVk4 ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 20:47:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0032A40411 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7924040A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:31:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.4]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C949770000095; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.21] (unknown [108.166.156.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8B96EE000098; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:29:37 -0400 (EDT) References: <3A385E9F-583A-483E-ADC2-80CCDF8F2780@comcast.net> From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:29:36 -0500 To: Dave Hogye x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383445777; bh=Sn2OgBqNhvj76MvJp1OzQ7/1hNzMsgCcaY8c7rPc07w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=EUyTz1W1a0lqXFkx0szaYXR2ZjoYteYuVYTHJK5YlGz9NWRA6VKwLPBgdefLcWDa+ VEPlUGbB4B8XutOnbqdvVEkw47spt13O9Q2jDwYYlNyVfu/UvDzLh0mBl8xDHkLffg sWIHQj1vK5M946dPlz5mJ4IUOoGpBlD0L2gGKnw0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29045275b5117cc3 Cc: Friends of Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] First race video Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The video was beautiful and brilliant. Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 2, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Dave Hogye wrote: > > Hello Friends, > I finally, with the needed assistance of my nephew, got my first race posted > on youtube. > We had some good laughs with his editing. Especially, the F1 sounding fast > forwarding. > I completed the race well within my own comfort zone and I'm looking forward > to next season. > > Dave H. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5xR7HaRVk4 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 21:45:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85B040413 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B3F4040A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b13so682072wgh.4 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 20:39:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4BKTufF8k0SaXIaACdHGbOPrpxYdLIeYTBFe8q98nPg=; b=lmKVQ21hxR8wl0pnNkHrOCr6/U+u5+r3ojGhcpPSjZGfGt+uQ913V62wGuNh+PJZHL F39y59hy8Z98KQsya1pEpT5b+wM2KbxssTcCQVtKUFNEUImtWTU70GDFCmK6rLCk16Qf G3ab/JkoWlCRcUstRSM4JYwodeGDIqsB8SiliUmqGrCY0ZYPLLnrWt+z3oC3vi+GLKZz DTZxgR9PnQMzP5MMfV1VnNkl4OEW0Z9/zEu3hVhmGymW4CEa8QPUk5ge95D/pyCaOGCF 43+G0xxQ0GSBoW7h4pJ9nPs1x1I0t7LPIjv/nAt7gzyaV6wtYkzYnzRpGAnqpLPoCGBD 5tog== yy6mr7786392wjc.13.1383449977910; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 20:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.45.8 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:39:37 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:39:37 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Peter Caldwell in Madison. He should pop up, as he is on the list. > > Great guy! And he has a method of making them adjustable. > Another happy Peter Caldwell customer. Peter's rebuilds are better than new, as he puts seals where Armstrong never did and retaining clips on the levers so they can't fall out. Armstrong didn't do that either. He can make them as firm as you'd like, or you can buy his externally adjustablelevers and set the firmness yourself. NFI. http://www.nosimport.com/ _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 21:59:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A96403DD for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E193403A6 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:56:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kroq1m0021HpZEsADrur8k; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:54:51 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kruq1m00R2yr1eL8aruqoQ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:54:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 03:54:50 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Greg And Alison Blake s=q20121106; t=1383450891; bh=XNZ56BM9bTmzIKNrfY84m6DHoQMCI9cT/0nRwvT0UhA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=eYRypFApyyyxRU6ePRYv0I4fNsKfR67XNqQV7qe9V7lFUxXNsuFcQ9oO1hpltjIJQ +0sXdALMdrmkg3hHIbzEMZ5GDQsKq5rsKMjiG+unXLTF/NvWnC+vQX30grgoaM2HEQ tNU08llUo+eJGe90xIIjNy+3n28ZWbsl85IzcTQG96JyhlZlnEhBFrKz9WV9Bhd2tS 6+o4gfdZ7UhXUZCy1Q9qJ94y/7ENGvANvEhQH/8sjoxUassXDl4gp5ALMYKzGEOoz6 YY5d2J13tUhG5N9i+JOFiRzy2UuFzw9EROlWuJWHSwvVK+FvLcS/Uy2JeqA0E/GH6Y 4mNKwkoGtqnPg== Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Greg, Like Joe says, Peter Caldwell at Nosimport.com will be able to get you what I think are the best shocks available for your car. I got a set of the adjustable units on my TR3 and they instantly transformed the handling of my car. I had thoroughly cleaned and refilled the rear shocks on my car with 30wt. fork oil. They didn't go too long before one started leaking at the shaft seal. As my first experience driving a Triumph, I wasn't sure what to expect. After installing the adjustable units on the car, now I know the difference. They seem to be a perfect balance to the Spax adjustable shocks on the front. The other shocks weren't doing much if anything. I'd like to send Peter my old units to rebuild with the heavy valving as spares. I'll send you a photo of the adjustable units mounted in the car. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg And Alison Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:40:34 PM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear shock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely a bad line into turn 8. Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft area but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need to send off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 2 23:20:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C8B40417 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 23:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85244040F for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73198A1AA5 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 22:57:17 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: FOT References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Irv Korey wrote: > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Peter Caldwell in Madison. He should pop up, as he is on the list. >> >> Great guy! And he has a method of making them adjustable. >> > It was nice to meet him at the Kastner Cup, have heard good things about Peter the Parts Pimp for years. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 07:09:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2AC4041D for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:09:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFB040400 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:06:57 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=3GS1J1x9VI0T0C7iKcct5w==:17 a=0TbXety4v90A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=w8jwgJDcAAAA:8 a=MbDuR4upOT1IV5qL1wsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1YZDRgAUBbMA:10 a=U3IrZJk1Sl0A:10 a=AkKAQ09CoVQA:10 a=CjpZmuI_PbCCJxi67ikA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Un2wlTD0AA8Enlt6:21 a=3GS1J1x9VI0T0C7iKcct5w==:117 Received: from [72.183.110.163] ([72.183.110.163:60906] helo=[192.168.2.3]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 13/80-01931-71856725; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 14:05:12 +0000 References: From: Bob Kramer Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 08:05:10 -0600 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Fwd: No. 14A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Blake's TR4 was prominently displayed in a local TV stations coverage of the SVRA Event at Circuit of the Americas last weekend. > >> On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:45 PM, "Bob Kramer" wrote: >> >> http://www.kxan.com/sports/vintage-car-championship-comes-to-cota _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 07:13:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C144340445 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:13:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB2E403DD for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C17B0700865FF for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.130.116.232] (unknown [166.137.107.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 5EFF2E000381 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher bock Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:11:45 -0500 To: FoTTriumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383487907; bh=KktU2l9CU/prekxJZf69tlXGWeLoc2JsjCQNyF8g6uQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Ud0bLchgETNUqlV499iTcZdXJZpEN4/KBBDw3TMgFfOXQo6D4A1LJEvFJJ7mY6jLW i5clqTWt9DpESmiIzAhcHOeGzSBUctEoq/8/la9Dm8bAu3Yh4G+AqLmMJax3oYf1Tl 6hMLP73hnNVTwCNJigzEHG6AV22J0mfxXU0w20Eo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2901527659a37e5c Subject: [Fot] K-Cup shirts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Amici This is a very long shot but, does anyone have a 2011 K-Cup shirt that I can have? XL or 2XL size would be great but I would take any size Thanks _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 07:42:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC2B40441 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:42:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC0040400 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.245.239.90] (117.sub-174-237-10.myvzw.com [174.237.10.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA3EetAK023024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:40:56 -0500 References: <1741045217.3929646.1383450890848.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: John Hasty Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:40:53 -0500 To: davehogye a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=vkxn9fueN-oA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=XQBEjfhHAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=9-NlXBxWg0Wi2MfH2AoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LJEvRTaj7VYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=dBvWLHain+nHZrfm0tQkaA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They are on my 3 also. Good idea. Highly recommend. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 11:54 PM, davehogye wrote: > Hi Greg, > Like Joe says, Peter Caldwell at Nosimport.com will be able to get you what I think are the best shocks available for your car. I got a set of the adjustable units on my TR3 and they instantly transformed the handling of my car. > I had thoroughly cleaned and refilled the rear shocks on my car with 30wt. fork oil. They didn't go too long before one started leaking at the shaft seal. As my first experience driving a Triumph, I wasn't sure what to expect. After installing the adjustable units on the car, now I know the difference. They seem to be a perfect balance to the Spax adjustable shocks on the front. The other shocks weren't doing much if anything. > I'd like to send Peter my old units to rebuild with the heavy valving as spares. > I'll send you a photo of the adjustable units mounted in the car. > > > Dave H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg And Alison Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:40:34 PM > Subject: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds > > After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear > shock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely a > bad line into turn 8. > > Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft > area but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need to > send off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 10:13:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3035140437 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 10:13:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7AF4040E for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 10:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS17 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:09:15 -0800 From: Marty To: "FOT " Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 12:09:15 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7YttJmpHHtCE0FQuCns9uWUK2qUg== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[6CAC2980:01CED8B7] Subject: [Fot] Empty Trailer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody happen to be heading from the Ohio area to the Massachusetts area with a trailer in the foreseeable future? Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 10:33:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7356840437 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 10:33:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f42.google.com (mail-bk0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA10F4040E for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 10:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-bk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id w16so235749bkz.15 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:23:21 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=aqv2ldzIP6y2tgrhcqGO+02i+LVgJRFHX0BS48eifi8=; b=rwDjY79fAiGLmq7FZI3R1dt6aKUWTk/DQIN457gi6xZPiwkUCn63BihUPkCV+qz62g ssjqaiEIIg0CVcEJnItDvApcB3FP0FAaD/mGFZ5UKAcWIJIN+V7Q1XJ0uyHCZIQtN7WZ CuBymsJfFSrfCe/VF+guWfhfxoyLh9pcMs98UCeo/ydmQYhl3ETwhgeaZZPpFEjJ+reA HUI1KoKaE4fGZRCZYKsG7GPQzwkjLvblxfihzTAXf1aAdcT65d2Yx62dWD6B2WrW7Cuf YcLOClHk6Rs5QChD5Y+4iiedd5sfOIOuylAM4jIG3TAx9wq44mI0hQONW+JdxMF5F9mf /QEg== l7mr6982034bko.11.1383499401386; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([31.212.231.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qg7sm12046941bkb.6.2013.11.03.09.23.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Nov 2013 09:23:21 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT '" References: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 18:23:18 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7YttJmpHHtCE0FQuCns9uWUK2qUgAAlVnA Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Photos of my racing of the year 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are some photos in this video...and some from Road America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh-xzfJAcEo Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 3 14:54:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9DE40411 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:54:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail202c2.megamailservers.com (mail202c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365FF403BC for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:52:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.229.238.89] (118.sub-174-228-1.myvzw.com [174.228.1.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail202c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA3LoN8H021999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:50:24 -0500 References: <000c01ced8b9$64442520$2ccc6f60$@com> From: John Hasty Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:50:22 -0500 To: MadMarx a=3iJDvkPbcQMA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=b88VkM6p6_UA:10 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=hBlm41NbAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=2q6uBXqGq0uLVBPXkl8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=iAzVHYMmO5rz0/j8UuEO6w==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Photos of my racing of the year 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net NEAT!!! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2013, at 12:23 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > There are some photos in this video...and some from Road America. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh-xzfJAcEo > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 09:22:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106C142B1A for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:22:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout08.eigbox.net (bosmailout08.eigbox.net [66.96.189.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F8542901 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan02.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.2]) by bosmailout08.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VdMVj-0005I8-09 for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan02.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VdMVk-0002zd-Ij for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:56:16 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.17]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id lTwE1m00h0N5uqq01TwEvp; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:56:14 -0500 a=Z/iyfutoV/OUUWbxX14Mlw==:17 a=3-MZCWuAnnEA:10 a=RDbtV_ytpXYA:10 a=Na_TDjuNfQcSSv33RAUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wdchMXlCwWoA:10 a=8vxMuGUVGIgA:10 a=H41-lG9aEZ-xcVTj:21 a=QJxs72505Mi2Cyx7:21 a=cK5I_HoKp3G6Q9uUd-kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JZgQocjtRcdgx2Ye:21 a=f4kFLigMKr8AH7rIJ//qJA==:117 Received: from [173.219.77.9] (port=55297 helo=zap6) by bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1VdMVi-000509-I7 for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:56:14 -0500 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:56:10 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7ZdmGINryNDZiOTV+j1HnGO5esoA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire Exhaust Valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1147 head with two bent valves. Length: 4.250 inch Diameter: 1.219 Tip Length: 0.235 inch - single round grove 6mm stem diameter Do anybody know a source for these valves? Thanx Robert MacKenzie _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 11:23:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B73A42823 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:23:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9755C4281C for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from Charly (unknown [97.126.77.192]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4BF585D8089; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:55:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Robert MacKenzie" , "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: <004d01ced976$62b2dae0$281890a0$@aero> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 09:55:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire Exhaust Valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Have you tried here? http://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/spitfire/engine-cylinder-head/valves-and-springs-1147.html Charly TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire Exhaust Valves >I have a 1147 head with two bent valves. > > Length: 4.250 inch > Diameter: 1.219 > Tip Length: 0.235 inch - single round grove > 6mm stem diameter > > Do anybody know a source for these valves? > > Thanx > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 12:46:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D2542EF0 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:46:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAD442EF3 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.100.115] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2013 19:20:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.193] by tm106.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2013 19:20:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2013 19:20:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 42221 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2013 19:20:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383592844; bh=dKUA02hImoYZGwlO3g2pNhYlw/5/03oFeMWyruQy3Ig=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bs3CZwUHZxrsj6saVFPCf6f9aumXcLE1AjVKTKLa5R4rmuSr5dKwOHUCRH2SXMaFzkHTYRl/jCoY5jG89gxvtXmQCBeQwMKfr3FJ5q9jBH9NjfWf0bUUG8YewQ/G1w0f2MSc9EGzBPQqHbVhvXuH1IK4NcWVfbA3EByOIxaAyQg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vR3BrJLeGm2IsKjRIVeeKKt8WPn8ok9G4614t2PCPpjkNg+JdMp7JlPwO98gA4It3eL0U8M2PNDBWwvFXjGpwVOzpI7Jw1shaN8TXlZuarM5T6ZPI3hIGQct3jNHLC9dd+ebJGafvTOjyr9U9TtneluB+li+M0sjsmgGAtbUZrc=; nUEsKkzZz3QSsziJuhbTdGFkvlxt0O4T0nEZV9Qevi0arzgXQeGxfXhMqVn1 rxGI66Mazc5iLKckekcvQbYlibbr_dy8UVY2LfxVJ0kgMLrUeTUAO4Bz9_iy xPQcxvM9dPv0X3xbhJC1.tqIFocXqwm7utLJIJVKRL30u1RkMAD9CTjnf9Tu sJjG42FOC09dyxrvukiCofg6PO1.ug__GQ51fFRrCDnJ_X_xBUG33zZKvMiZ .k2vwx0T_qIe.ctKI7uqzaRrfHDQ_Ad11YoeirCxUhDOn6YrQ4tWGl23EQ2. 5zYsbMJ2tgGnWnwMLldQT4Aox3r82vtPM19j_Onh2S.PT4sbTjdVEZlAbE_J yrWoUL5MFOLjwGrmuTMVgiHjxoS0vAscyeqrBJAn3U_ypPpBXChuqJUUCR2c pQaiTS4G5VQEilvGaABXW76VUoSpuK4z3LP6YsX29fXmCGRbBzb7_7stvwn1 OfD1OPe4sh.aq0GUGHmyDz9pTweckJimE0_0zwgZKaHM_GOwk9M_UkJ0XSJX v2zsttQQQpwipeY9VxeSyAvI91bwr2tFrEHgoOiapNgMOvyJHpG3SCNLf4pj EPrbjZJjWLjvFSPGTCiQcNLTKuSB6TC.whK_Qzz8FXJsqrr9GUOqc5_yHNPa gJ7fHMYIY6cQzlx1YthhBaCJUjJChwBkr5SEwqdMHQwIiPp21EuG5fjN5qRT b8_Xm7vLZQd490Sz7Yjrvj7koJJ2jzBHnuZV82nB5DCqjIcMlysYeCQXMoz9 JjhBnvkVFfLs- Received: from [98.209.77.149] by web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 11:20:44 PST U291bmRzIGxpa2UgdGhlIE1pdHN1YmlzaGkgdmFsdmVzIHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gcnVubmluZy4gU3RvY2sgd291bGQgaGF2ZSA1LzE2IHN0ZW1zLgpJIHdhcyBidXlpbmcgdGhlbSBmcm9tIFJpY2sgQ2xpbmUKRHVhbmUKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpGcm9tOiBDaGFybHkgTWl0Y2hlbCA8Y2hhcmx5QG1pdGNoZWxwbHVtYmluZy5jb20.ClRvOiBSb2JlcnQgTWFjS2VuemllIDxsaXN0QG1hY2tlbnppZS5hZXJvPjsgJydGcmllbmRzIG9mIFRyaXVtcGgnIFRyaXVtcGgnIDwBMAEBAQE- References: <004d01ced976$62b2dae0$281890a0$@aero> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: Duane Bailey To: Charly Mitchel , Robert MacKenzie , ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire Exhaust Valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like the Mitsubishi valves that I have been running. Stock would have 5/16 stems. I was buying them from Rick Cline Duane ________________________________ From: Charly Mitchel To: Robert MacKenzie ; ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire Exhaust Valves Have you tried here? http://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/spitfire/engine-cylinder-head/valves-and-springs-1147.html Charly TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire Exhaust Valves >I have a 1147 head with two bent valves. > > Length: 4.250 inch > Diameter: 1.219 > Tip Length: 0.235 inch - single round grove > 6mm stem diameter > > Do anybody know a source for these valves? > > Thanx > > Robert MacKenzie > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 13:03:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5578742A55 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 13:03:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA1542EF5 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:49:21 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=HRIWtlzwqEwwnbcvfWBrEw==:17 a=5Ad2cfnVzswA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=vkxn9fueN-oA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=8dzkqtqiAtDnGug7QXUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HRIWtlzwqEwwnbcvfWBrEw==:117 Received: from [166.137.121.109] ([166.137.121.109:38198] helo=[10.213.48.96]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D4/ED-07922-EB9F7725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:47:11 +0000 References: From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 13:47:08 -0600 To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock rebuilds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the feedback. After a conversation with a very friendly business owner, I ordered a set from Mr. Caldwell. Thanks > On Nov 2, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Greg And Alison Blake wrote: > > After an unexpected spin at COTA last weekend, I found a leaky right rear > shock. I'd like to think its the shock oil that made me spin but more likely a > bad line into turn 8. > > Probably something I can't fix since it is coming through the splined shaft > area but curious if anyone sells rebuild kits for these shocks or if I need to > send off a spare set for rebuild by Apple or someone else. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 4 14:29:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D6C40430 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 14:29:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE4C403E0 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 14:29:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.255.13.17] ([67.255.13.17:51723] helo=Shop) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 08/19-27821-04118725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 21:27:28 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:27:46 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7ZpLQPyolIAHchSRGKErrCqUv7tg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Calling Dave Belden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Please contact me off line Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 02:13:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270EB40432 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 02:13:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from New-Mail.surfnetusa.com (modusmail.surfnetusa.com [66.151.140.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40402403E0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 02:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from surfnetusa.com (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by New-Mail.surfnetusa.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.22.7.16456) with ESMTP id (AUTH = gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com); Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:10:23 -0800 From: "gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com" To: BillDentin@aol.com, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be, colordog.1@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:10:23 -0800 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net After extensive dyno testing, we found that 4 into 1 headers with 1.5" Inside diameter primary pipes 33 inches long going into a "merge collector" with a "piramid" spike at the junction of the primary pipes joining into a tailpipe 2.125" inside diameter that is 72" long to the open end is the optimum header configuration for a full race 2200 cc TR-4 race engine with 45 mm Weber DCOE carburators. For an engine that really makes over 180 hp at the flywheel, primary pipes 1.625" inside diameter may be benificial at engine speeds over 5,000 rpm. We have found that a Megaphone that is 18" long tapering from 2.125" I.D. to 2.5" I.D. boosts power and torque throughout the entire power band, but especially just as the engine comes "on the cam" and up the the torque peak. The megaphone takes the place of the last 18" of the tailpipe. Shorter or longer primaries or tailpipe hurts the power and torque. We tried longer and shorter primaries and longer and shorter tailpipes. We built 1.5" inside diameter primaries and 1.625" inside diameter primaries adjustable in 3" increments from 26" long to 54" long and tried every one of them. 33 INCHES IS THE CORRECT LENGTH! The same it true of the tailpipe. We tried 2" I.D., up to 3" I.D. in many different lengths. 2.125" I.D. X 72" long is what works best. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : BillDentin@aol.com[mailto:BillDentin@aol.com] Sent : 10/30/2013 11:31:40 AM To : van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; colordog.1@earthlink.net Cc : fot@autox.team.net Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header In a message dated 10/30/2013 12:26:05 PM Central Standard Time, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be writes: > Steve, your headers are also a lot wider (diameter) than mine. Bigger is > not > always better and many tend to fit too wide exhaust pipes, but maybe 38mm > (1 > 1/2") is definitely too small on a race car, I'll found out before next > racing season. > Amici... More than a few FOTers have worked on a 'tuned exhaust'. I know Uncle Jack did. And in particular, Greg at the Engine Room. He told me the exhaust pipe length can be a critical issue too, at least with the headers he's developed for his Morgan applications. Maybe he'll chime in. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 03:06:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7751B40531 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 03:06:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3FA403E0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 03:06:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from GebruikerPC ([141.134.4.155]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id lm4C1m00B3LgakV06m4G8V; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:04:16 +0100 From: "Van Mulders Marcel" To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:04:12 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7aBwQsBDe7dnvZQjafkm8ped9CkwABWbHQ Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Very interesting observations! Maybe the numbers you found to work best are not valid for every 4 cyl TR race engine, but it's interesting that you found that 1.5" ID of the primaries gave the best results. Do you know wat chokes (venturi's) were mounted in the Webers 45? My engine dyno ,a STUSKA Trackmaster with Power Pro software, will be ready in a month or so. I bought a Stahl header with 1.625 ID primaries. Wondering what results I'll get when comparing my actual exhaust with 1.5"ID primaries(I tried 34" and 40" lengths) and 2 1/4" tailpipe, with the Stahl header. It will take some time, but I'll post the results at this place. Marcel Van Mulders -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com [mailto:gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 5 november 2013 10:10 Aan: BillDentin@aol.com; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; colordog.1@earthlink.net CC: fot@autox.team.net Onderwerp: RE: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header After extensive dyno testing, we found that 4 into 1 headers with 1.5" Inside diameter primary pipes 33 inches long going into a "merge collector" with a "piramid" spike at the junction of the primary pipes joining into a tailpipe 2.125" inside diameter that is 72" long to the open end is the optimum header configuration for a full race 2200 cc TR-4 race engine with 45 mm Weber DCOE carburators. For an engine that really makes over 180 hp at the flywheel, primary pipes 1.625" inside diameter may be benificial at engine speeds over 5,000 rpm. We have found that a Megaphone that is 18" long tapering from 2.125" I.D. to 2.5" I.D. boosts power and torque throughout the entire power band, but especially just as the engine comes "on the cam" and up the the torque peak. The megaphone takes the place of the last 18" of the tailpipe. Shorter or longer primaries or tailpipe hurts the power and torque. We tried longer and shorter primaries and longer and shorter tailpipes. We built 1.5" inside diameter primaries and 1.625" inside diameter primaries adjustable in 3" increments from 26" long to 54" long and tried every one of them. 33 INCHES IS THE CORRECT LENGTH! The same it true of the tailpipe. We tried 2" I.D., up to 3" I.D. in many different lengths. 2.125" I.D. X 72" long is what works best. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : BillDentin@aol.com[mailto:BillDentin@aol.com] Sent : 10/30/2013 11:31:40 AM To : van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; colordog.1@earthlink.net Cc : fot@autox.team.net Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header In a message dated 10/30/2013 12:26:05 PM Central Standard Time, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be writes: > Steve, your headers are also a lot wider (diameter) than mine. Bigger is > not > always better and many tend to fit too wide exhaust pipes, but maybe 38mm > (1 > 1/2") is definitely too small on a race car, I'll found out before next > racing season. > Amici... More than a few FOTers have worked on a 'tuned exhaust'. I know Uncle Jack did. And in particular, Greg at the Engine Room. He told me the exhaust pipe length can be a critical issue too, at least with the headers he's developed for his Morgan applications. Maybe he'll chime in. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 06:34:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12574431B7 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:34:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62B5430B0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hm4so2043814wib.6 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 05:22:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3Gi3urcO0lu3qngHgvjc7lPXpk2xtVErOZGidZqwX2c=; b=HNAHyZkJ05tZerFyxY06GreHLw5YwZaZix3YVflO7celFmRVJZQlIpVTwmzFrP1jwo UIoGDt6vbAw0OpH/XKMmWaNHuRMiCt0jP5ZggQfnagGUFMGkmhtd1UqsmhleoHK+1Hbz e4XstEAlw1dLtPe2sriM1BBXrayWo+a7LXXe5ZJTXkcjDoUnqph2wDAVnt0S955gBiI5 4aq73W9xS4eMYS7A1cFdKROGaIPEuuV9qgBGtZUZ5++gL240X7OQ+6PGDBJWLaGjRLTe ciEsjvf4hWY3CyKW8z+MeGStVyt91lKIDrUMEYfFbp9t1uQDATab0ZFrhvQ9dsGJHPko OUIw== i8mr16780322wiv.37.1383657741492; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 05:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.97.136 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 05:22:21 -0800 (PST) References: <000c01ced8b9$64442520$2ccc6f60$@com> <14C6ACAB-F789-44C6-AA8C-CFA811CC8EF0@gdhs.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:22:21 -0500 From: Robert Deanes To: John Hasty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Photos of my racing of the year 2013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net congratulations on the position, nice photos, happened to see a TR-7 in the photos from Germany, do they race many over there. On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM, John Hasty wrote: > NEAT!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 3, 2013, at 12:23 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > There are some photos in this video...and some from Road America. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh-xzfJAcEo > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 10:36:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F774310A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:36:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087E042FF1 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:26:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA5F9k4P009655; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:09:51 -0500 From: "john hasty" To: "'Van Mulders Marcel'" , References: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:09:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7aBwQsBDe7dnvZQjafkm8ped9CkwABWbHQAAsIMCA= a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=XmFt0dmJvDwA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=feCRfMOpAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=IfjlzCqToXkpe0kHicoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=RIoU-Kou4dAA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 a=2Uiepou3o_YA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=RC5A8QPzXYB0bTBD:21 a=JvzAdtOdvDrdUk5a:21 a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Very interesting. Our Stahl header primary tubes measure 32 1/2" to the collector and I would assume that about another 1/2" extends into the collector. Our tail pipe is right at 72" but 2.5" ID going from round to an oval or flat shape at the end in front of the right rear wheel. But we use 1.75 HS6 SU's....going to 2" HS8 SU's next year..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Van Mulders Marcel Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 5:04 AM To: gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header Very interesting observations! Maybe the numbers you found to work best are not valid for every 4 cyl TR race engine, but it's interesting that you found that 1.5" ID of the primaries gave the best results. Do you know wat chokes (venturi's) were mounted in the Webers 45? My engine dyno ,a STUSKA Trackmaster with Power Pro software, will be ready in a month or so. I bought a Stahl header with 1.625 ID primaries. Wondering what results I'll get when comparing my actual exhaust with 1.5"ID primaries(I tried 34" and 40" lengths) and 2 1/4" tailpipe, with the Stahl header. It will take some time, but I'll post the results at this place. Marcel Van Mulders -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com [mailto:gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 5 november 2013 10:10 Aan: BillDentin@aol.com; van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; colordog.1@earthlink.net CC: fot@autox.team.net Onderwerp: RE: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header After extensive dyno testing, we found that 4 into 1 headers with 1.5" Inside diameter primary pipes 33 inches long going into a "merge collector" with a "piramid" spike at the junction of the primary pipes joining into a tailpipe 2.125" inside diameter that is 72" long to the open end is the optimum header configuration for a full race 2200 cc TR-4 race engine with 45 mm Weber DCOE carburators. For an engine that really makes over 180 hp at the flywheel, primary pipes 1.625" inside diameter may be benificial at engine speeds over 5,000 rpm. We have found that a Megaphone that is 18" long tapering from 2.125" I.D. to 2.5" I.D. boosts power and torque throughout the entire power band, but especially just as the engine comes "on the cam" and up the the torque peak. The megaphone takes the place of the last 18" of the tailpipe. Shorter or longer primaries or tailpipe hurts the power and torque. We tried longer and shorter primaries and longer and shorter tailpipes. We built 1.5" inside diameter primaries and 1.625" inside diameter primaries adjustable in 3" increments from 26" long to 54" long and tried every one of them. 33 INCHES IS THE CORRECT LENGTH! The same it true of the tailpipe. We tried 2" I.D., up to 3" I.D. in many different lengths. 2.125" I.D. X 72" long is what works best. Greg Solow The Engine Room Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831 429-1800 ------- Original Message ------- >From : BillDentin@aol.com[mailto:BillDentin@aol.com] Sent : 10/30/2013 11:31:40 AM To : van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; colordog.1@earthlink.net Cc : fot@autox.team.net Subject : RE: Re: [Fot] Exhaust Header In a message dated 10/30/2013 12:26:05 PM Central Standard Time, van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be writes: > Steve, your headers are also a lot wider (diameter) than mine. Bigger is > not > always better and many tend to fit too wide exhaust pipes, but maybe 38mm > (1 > 1/2") is definitely too small on a race car, I'll found out before next > racing season. > Amici... More than a few FOTers have worked on a 'tuned exhaust'. I know Uncle Jack did. And in particular, Greg at the Engine Room. He told me the exhaust pipe length can be a critical issue too, at least with the headers he's developed for his Morgan applications. Maybe he'll chime in. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 10:36:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6A34313D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:36:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2598E43036 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:30:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [75.86.246.170] ([75.86.246.170:59278] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 35/FB-27821-ADA29725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:28:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:28:41 -0600 From: Richard Gehweiler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is older than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to sell his TR3 to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought the car is worth, so I told him that I would seek the wisdom of the FOT. The car is a small mouth car that is what I call a "Road Warrior", that is solid but the paint and interior are somewhat rough. It also has Brookland Screens on it. Mechanically the car is great, it has a Mike Belfer engine that is very strong. I am looking for actual selling prices of cars, not asking prices. Thanks in advance Richard Gehweiler _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 10:54:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D434310A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:54:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EC043035 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from DonPC (modemcable014.55-58-74.mc.videotron.ca [74.58.55.14]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPA id <0MVS009INXMTUZ40@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:52:05 -0500 (EST) From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: 'Richard Gehweiler' , 'FOT' References: <52792AC9.4080507@wi.rr.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:52:04 -0500 Thread-index: Ac7aTVL9JKYm3DBnQjGyArl3CvirqQAAbQog Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Richard - A small mouth TR3 would demand a higher price than a TR3A. If it has an overdrive add about $2000 more to the value. If you go on e-bay looking for used TRs you might see something similar. Check out http://www.triumphauctionwatch.com/auctions.php?model=TR3&country=CAN Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Gehweiler Sent: November-05-13 12:29 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is older than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to sell his TR3 to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought the car is worth, so I told him that I would seek the wisdom of the FOT. The car is a small mouth car that is what I call a "Road Warrior", that is solid but the paint and interior are somewhat rough. It also has Brookland Screens on it. Mechanically the car is great, it has a Mike Belfer engine that is very strong. I am looking for actual selling prices of cars, not asking prices. Thanks in advance Richard Gehweiler _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 12:58:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C714310A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:58:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8D242F70 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:20:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131105191812.DLJL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:18:12 -0500 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id lvJC1m00W1F7hH505vJCAR; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:18:12 -0500 a=6OfnzAXicMuM/nPloKd9sg==:17 a=GFdYMyUThMAA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tKtLNHpazw8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=MJPbdBo7d_6fpRreU18A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [24.176.24.67] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:18:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Kelley To: Richard Gehweiler User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hagerty is a good source of current selling prices. They maintain an up to date data base for insurance valuations. If the car has every been concours judged by either TRA or VTR it would make the estimate more accurate. Hope this helps. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Richard Gehweiler wrote: > I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is > older than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to > sell his TR3 to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought > the car is worth, so I told him that I would seek the wisdom of the > FOT. The car is a small mouth car that is what I call a "Road > Warrior", that is solid but the paint and interior are somewhat rough. > It also has Brookland Screens on it. Mechanically the car is great, it > has a Mike Belfer engine that is very strong. I am looking for actual > selling prices of cars, not asking prices. > > Thanks in advance > Richard Gehweiler > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jeffreykelley@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 13:22:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590FC4313A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:22:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi203.cox.net (fed1rmfepi203.cox.net [68.230.241.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E006342F93 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:40:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131105184553.QHRJ9629.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:45:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.13] ([68.226.56.207]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id luls1m00Q4UFRTY01uls3k; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:45:53 -0500 a=Pzl9SFdscvRhuKIrrMfpxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=tKtLNHpazw8A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=VkMaFvAq8nH7_9LAdxIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Pzl9SFdscvRhuKIrrMfpxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=weredinger@cox.net References: From: Bill Redinger Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:45:53 -0600 To: Richard Gehweiler Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One Dollar! Legacy is worth more than any money. We need younger people to carry on with our cars. Bill On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Richard Gehweiler wrote: > I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is older than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to sell his TR3 to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought the car is worth, so I told him that I would seek the wisdom of the FOT. The car is a small mouth car that is what I call a "Road Warrior", that is solid but the paint and interior are somewhat rough. It also has Brookland Screens on it. Mechanically the car is great, it has a Mike Belfer engine that is very strong. I am looking for actual selling prices of cars, not asking prices. > > Thanks in advance > Richard Gehweiler > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 16:32:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E27F43516 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:32:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D55403A6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:05:53 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Uxj+vARZQ6xij6JvNUe3Mn3SF0Gjz0YD/rsFDPYpc1pJ4GHujPclv2ubY3HW9SKy; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.38] (helo=elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdp36-0000l9-7H; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:24:36 -0500 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:24:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:24:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: steve To: Richard Gehweiler , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If My dad built the motor, it was done right. ~Steve Belfer -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Gehweiler >Sent: Nov 5, 2013 9:28 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices > >I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is older >than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to sell his >TR3 to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought the car is >worth, so I told him that I would seek the wisdom of the FOT. The car is >a small mouth car that is what I call a "Road Warrior", that is solid >but the paint and interior are somewhat rough. It also has Brookland >Screens on it. Mechanically the car is great, it has a Mike Belfer >engine that is very strong. I am looking for actual selling prices of >cars, not asking prices. > > Thanks in advance >Richard Gehweiler >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 18:18:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7EE430E6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:18:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED78403BC for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:54:50 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=tKtLNHpazw8A:10 a=Tug4sUb784251rL258YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:45872] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 2D/14-09301-1E299725; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 00:52:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 0:52:49 +0000 From: Randall To: FOT , Richard Gehweiler Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Richard Gehweiler wrote: > I am looking for actual selling prices of > cars, not asking prices. I went through this a few years back with my insurance. They supplied a list of 4 cars that had recently sold in similar condition. Average sale price $9600. That was in 2005, and at least my perception is that prices have risen quite a bit since then. So I'd say at least $12K plus whatever the engine is worth over a solid running (but otherwise stock) engine. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:19:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8594B43195 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:19:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6418C431CA for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:01:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m1L01m0011bwxycA21zWd2; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 01:59:30 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.4] ([24.4.249.195]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m1zV1m00T4Dhf3s8e1zV1q; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 01:59:30 +0000 References: <81D2D412-B906-41E3-84FF-FCFA30F1FFC4@cox.net> From: Dave Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:59:33 -0800 To: Bill Redinger s=q20121106; t=1383703170; bh=hcty/dcGDKGQxjp/glD4ql1KvMVKatBCUc+DV2SrEhs=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=JW54Vl9tFoEMjiPb1vhrKziLOctLcICf+1IFA0t5M2a5wb5GnStY/Z/dkyGcqoI0r 9xoXR/qd2270JCwllZWwsiSscFcYmr8IABlgekKb3Gz4owFQGOFeQw93w2hZtMuBT0 zpG+0Afch+Sr726W2M3fzBY/bRjPAiJOs+yJpS48F8BkqsxgPUH8F6AWk4ozsQRj9f R2Km3Fs+7PEEQiKSq5WL8Zng8MPAcJH9RWMRqDsoqq0JZHddOfG/5YpAHe+keMveEU QXSd4mOq1iyaAJYd7SB6fMdf9mZjkKVBbRGn/ryL5mnbrYCqgDKTLGu2H8fu+J3AXb PDHv+qgQjx26g== Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I absolutely agree, one dollar. Plus, cutting the grass, trimming the trees, and washing and waxing the current daily driver for the rest of his grandfathers life. And whatever else he might need from time to time. Really! Dave H. Sent from my iPad On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Bill Redinger wrote: > One Dollar! Legacy is worth more than any money. > We need younger people to carry on with our cars. > > Bill > > On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Richard Gehweiler wrote: > >> I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is older > than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to sell his TR3 > to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought the car is worth, so I > told him that I would seek the wisdom of the FOT. The car is a small mouth car > that is what I call a "Road Warrior", that is solid but the paint and interior > are somewhat rough. It also has Brookland Screens on it. Mechanically the car > is great, it has a Mike Belfer engine that is very strong. I am looking for > actual selling prices of cars, not asking prices. >> >> Thanks in advance >> Richard Gehweiler >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:34:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505C1431C8 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:34:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2303C4308A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:06:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m1Dv1m0011GXsucAA24Dp2; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:04:13 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.4] ([24.4.249.195]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m2441m00G4Dhf3s8U244UL; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:04:13 +0000 References: <20131106005249.1DH99.199341.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> From: Dave Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:04:08 -0800 To: Randall s=q20121106; t=1383703453; bh=O58ZYhM5XuQQK9QNRKYgMWorhcqsyrDt5J/jmYocnJo=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=gHoIvWuOeS9swc0CoWuwY47eyXjHWyJIi3IVHuuXzVoHagqKrsZXAwUfxbYqj7eGA C+Cp+eX/hC0YxjMBTaQrNin2AP+fo9axRe/7ZRV6KEiPFz7yaOyI6JY9ay7IOi1T14 7bHMXh8jo3X7oHQHUY3b/y6cVf5GrzCoaruKVTPdrU0Z39kBH9RJfOU+1u8J6+cglj oujTHsyCcgJVCU8L9vbxIdJOZap2Tnq6rSYVi1LpZ3QnQyvfIq4NXBGHO6PeJ7CHVa 0gHq6xVAd862ERN80A5cYokJM4E8Rw33RvIkCXoF/yhfoQUqnPNqeMNXo/PVOfBSfG p1n9YyGMtQ5Lg== Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net And, recently, for whatever auction prices do for the collector car market, good or bad, a perfectly restored small mouth TR3 went for $55,000.00. I have my TR3 race car insured for $30K. Dave H. Sent from my iPad On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Richard Gehweiler wrote: >> I am looking for actual selling prices of >> cars, not asking prices. > > I went through this a few years back with my insurance. They supplied a list of 4 cars that had recently sold in similar condition. Average sale price $9600. That was in 2005, and at least my perception is that prices have risen quite a bit since then. So I'd say at least $12K plus whatever the engine is worth over a solid running (but otherwise stock) engine. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 20:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C36843138 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:01:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from ex.dunnwalshholdings.com (ex.dunnwalshholdings.com [173.219.117.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A474311B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c%15]) with mapi; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:58:48 -0800 From: Edward Dunn To: FOT Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:58:36 -0800 Thread-Topic: [Fot] TR3 Prices Thread-Index: Ac7allZldeIEw8iRTvulGoX9SItQUwABW+bw References: <81D2D412-B906-41E3-84FF-FCFA30F1FFC4@cox.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My dad gave me his MG TD in exchange for me restoring it. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 4700 Acacia Way Penngrove CA 94951 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 6:00 PM To: Bill Redinger Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Yes, I absolutely agree, one dollar. Plus, cutting the grass, trimming the trees, and washing and waxing the current daily driver for the rest of his grandfathers life. And whatever else he might need from time to time. Really! Dave H. Sent from my iPad On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Bill Redinger wrote: > One Dollar! Legacy is worth more than any money. > We need younger people to carry on with our cars. > > Bill > > On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Richard Gehweiler wrote: > >> I have a friend that is advancing in years (that is anyone that is >> older > than me) and has been having some health issues. He is going to sell > his TR3 > to his grandson (Lucky guy) and asked me what i thought the car is > worth, so I > told him that I would seek the wisdom of the FOT. The car is a small > mouth car > that is what I call a "Road Warrior", that is solid but the paint and interior > are somewhat rough. It also has Brookland Screens on it. Mechanically > the car > is great, it has a Mike Belfer engine that is very strong. I am > looking for actual selling prices of cars, not asking prices. >> >> Thanks in advance >> Richard Gehweiler >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn@qualityfueltrailers.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 20:48:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E283B430DD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:48:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B410A430D6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1474F7000413F; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 22:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dtc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.17]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DDF33E000086; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 22:42:47 -0500 (EST) References: <20131106005249.1DH99.199341.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> <348052C2-D01D-4336-BBF7-AF446BA57177@comcast.net> To: dlhogye@comcast.net, tr3driver@ca.rr.com Received: from 71.29.173.154 by webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.24) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:42:47 -0500 From: Bruce Lapierre Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 22:42:47 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383709368; bh=vYoCeqYlxuavL1Y1nJJoQ+lcQ9jYlmssNVjzbfGJ4sE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ss4qhRDLXyoS/bZn+gWrh+Z94ZFgZAmRpl/Qw0fPTYVS0YbZAcDCKg7kQVASCns6W R981NB3Vp6MCHG2vhJNeM10mGvh2tLhtWBt2eSERtTzf5CGTxmFCDUFyooq45L6FSt mLS8URrOJa7RIpqJHNJL+yloPkDV4foDAY+HPCGM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a5279bab75ce9 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The price is irreverent. Personally I'd make it just high enough that the Grandson takes ownership. The important part is the Grandson and Grand Father work on the car together. There is a wealth of information that needs to be transferred. -----Original Message----- From: Dave To: Randall Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices And, recently, for whatever auction prices do for the collector car market, ood or bad, a perfectly restored small mouth TR3 went for $55,000.00. have my TR3 race car insured for $30K. Dave H. Sent from my iPad On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Richard Gehweiler wrote: > I am looking for actual selling prices of > cars, not asking prices. I went through this a few years back with my insurance. They supplied a ist of 4 cars that had recently sold in similar condition. Average sale rice $9600. That was in 2005, and at least my perception is that prices have isen quite a bit since then. So I'd say at least $12K plus whatever the ngine is worth over a solid running (but otherwise stock) engine. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 05:49:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AAC430E1 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:49:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA48E430A2 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 12:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.145] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 12:17:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 12:17:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15720 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2013 12:17:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383740249; bh=Uo+wqtgTGI6GBmntoPhqTiWQPWxmMdwegiNTXM0MTaA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HXnTPHsk2u1wSuHJYiVCNy8kBriLZPtrFEkGizgWtzeDfnUYXt2nU2/QV5vBR0uKA1pjnx8vru8JtPt6RO2vF2rZt3awkvdt8Q6xA7NVD3DmTwbgq2PUDQQUEgZ/u0/TGZKF8jlAoFvWB9a81ZjjuQKr0DP8pCwLsW89ZJAS4m8= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zl/CTFnfcXudR4ax/hil1dkAFHzjx3Q/NuRjBwU4jGBO63gkhHN6/UQq/93KfZbz7CgIGY+NedmlRbBmnNTM4SjPXc6OK4taIADBfiXBkdbnAGQkgOTCsh7OcEyLsAuaI1DXwFldUW71v2nAACdJnuhxfio5xMOq493fWce6CfE=; MLEOAu9seLYebG8pxLh8hdOmUi2lLzaJeynIKvqix8b.55hEenaTPtO55lr8 qhftQFCBCFB5HMSYSyQRiGHBDCe08uyAchcoO4hfn.zN4gHeMHcSD0LFimMQ qU0JF2xCsSnmJYJE6yd4cuPrghdLrk_EBkXc38v6yW7XfD_uYOf7YLl0Iwj5 YcgOAoqYccB5XPYK8ypKae8gQsOBn3SOALAa6DSLjoBaYwvttJIZMBReF1pz NNd.CVszWVyBLcKareeyoZlu247OELzuFBiIFf3X_DsIVtPzqd0XbdE_hXE4 7HCwrsFFvQbLTNiW21P7rzydxqI6S7oiy5AB9hyGngmiqUo6FxCYTQN86m4h 7DqV_7ipbfeKbp.5BqclE2yGxOb8HfTTTqVsZZmbYmsImgeXV20ZGGhlr2EZ j8HIssIIJvxJ7bH3OvErDVrVf0zIl0.vD4sdZzO3C5pxL8oGlCcuiWbsHfho Yr71Kem9B8qJ9lHWkoRGcv5Pwr2.h96ZVUAC2ZMvOObBdJuNFoq_3jGImIb8 gTn82pBXZYZo19KrEkpYCqPk4e_lBUTcwS2I.alXAcCk- Received: from [98.214.152.176] by web181001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 04:17:29 PST U29tZSB2ZXJ5IGdvb2QgcG9pbnRzIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBtYWRlIHJlZ2FyZGluZyB0aGUgdmFsdWUgYW5kIHByaWNpbmcgb2YgYSAicm9hZCB3YXJyaW9yIiBUUjMuIEkgYmVsaWV2ZSBldmVyeW9uZSBhZ3JlZXMgY2xhc3NpYyBjYXJzIGluIGdlbmVyYWwgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGdvaW5nIHVwLsKgCgpUaGUgVFIzJ3MgbGlrZSBtYW55IG90aGVyIGNhcnMgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIHNlbGxpbmcgaW4gYSB3aWRlIHJhbmdlLsKgRm9yIHdoYXQgaXQncyB3b3J0aCB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBhdmVyYWdlIHNlbGxpbmcgcHJpY2VzICgBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 04:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: "mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net" To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Some very good points have been made regarding the value and pricing of a "road warrior" TR3. I believe everyone agrees classic cars in general have been going up. The TR3's like many other cars have been selling in a wide range. For what it's worth the current average selling prices (excluding the occasional high and the low) are somewhere in the $15,000.00 - $ 30,000.00 range. I personally agree that passing on a legacy gets a substantial discount...if I could only talk my dad into that ! Cheers all, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 07:40:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B0D4316B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:40:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401C04303E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:26:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131106142416.BAGC9629.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:24:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.13] ([68.226.56.207]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id mEQF1m00U4UFRTY01EQGCX; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:24:16 -0500 a=Pzl9SFdscvRhuKIrrMfpxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=tKtLNHpazw8A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=BgQy1xiNmJg1yxRsYu4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Pzl9SFdscvRhuKIrrMfpxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=weredinger@cox.net References: <20131106005249.1DH99.199341.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> <348052C2-D01D-4336-BBF7-AF446BA57177@comcast.net> From: Bill Redinger Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:24:19 -0600 To: Bruce Lapierre Cc: "tr3driver@ca.rr.com" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Priceless! Second that Idea. Bill On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Bruce Lapierre wrote: > The price is irreverent. Personally I'd make it just high enough that the > Grandson takes ownership. The important part is the Grandson and Grand Father > work on the car together. There is a wealth of information that needs to be > transferred. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave > To: Randall > Cc: FOT > Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices > > > And, recently, for whatever auction prices do for the collector car market, > ood or bad, a perfectly restored small mouth TR3 went for $55,000.00. > have my TR3 race car insured for $30K. > Dave H. > Sent from my iPad > On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Randall wrote: >> ---- Richard Gehweiler wrote: >> I am looking for actual selling prices of >> cars, not asking prices. > > I went through this a few years back with my insurance. They supplied a > ist of 4 cars that had recently sold in similar condition. Average sale > rice $9600. That was in 2005, and at least my perception is that prices have > isen quite a bit since then. So I'd say at least $12K plus whatever the > ngine is worth over a solid running (but otherwise stock) engine. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > ______________________________________________ > ot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 07:58:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEE4431B6 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:58:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d01.mx.aol.com (omr-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.252.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3B24311E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:39:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by omr-d01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 57171700544E2; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.10.6] (unknown [38.108.56.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 1A800E0000C9; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:37:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Frymark Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:37:29 -0600 To: "mini@wi.rr.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383748658; bh=PFxIll8W3A9twSkgDJr481BoCQwLInqqRBvkfi3p5Vc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=BwDl2PGi10L4BM/HSP21VJBFzOkXqYnML1k4gHWc+36MIyxy/sAh6NTtYimBDNVQP tQc6OVHAYzCTctW8RhKHE9Lgp/baUvLwIu+lZRUC4rDEggfJvkOl4RR3z2l/ncKNfm LZuI/cIW3G0z7Ae/nxg+Hd0l1erhaguMnfNekgGs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3382527a54327705 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Whatever the agreement is, have your friends look into their state 's taxation rules on the change of ownership. Lots of states charge an excise tax and valuation of an "old car" can tricky. And many states exempt transfers within the family. Better to know before standing at the DMV window. John Frymark _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 08:28:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7480643232 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:28:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9165042FD6 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:10:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mEHd1m0031afHeLAFF7N00; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 15:07:22 +0000 Received: from Bud ([67.164.120.205]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mF7S1m00W4RzRTX8dF7T0V; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 15:07:27 +0000 From: "RACER BUD" To: "'John Frymark'" , References: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:07:24 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7bAH++l4U0x0XORUWPe/sShCVRkQAAUaAA Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1383750442; bh=SeSMHNz9kfEHd1AGzXICCVDkIKZ+GEYWBERcFkKpfDU=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k2w5+ggldELvH5dBnfGHoKUcI10bAmx8Un95b/CSBtoXO9D1NrqgFD49d5IZ0KCW+ vkWAHeRcX1WdlevsdPHElAwn2UB9VQZEvAol4CpWiqD4oX+8bJNDmfWDv0mb76z0b+ lrKSqhW02+0NhSlXD7SXyNgmsiY7xF9Ab9QTVd9I7h/H/w/OTQNetmMFw5EQZky6qL kFjA1LG0z+JDgQEt/SPb/lyLv8yS2QZSG8supo0oo3y7t0bI/uT0pjjT8H3b2FN3OC es7bISk6SV2ybc5jmsHz8XoOFLKj/g9N1MTYNgPwkxGSRhaB1sywLb/0pJuC4fwBI6 fAllZPMxHLODA== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net California exempts family transfers from taxes and most fees RB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:37 AM To: mini@wi.rr.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices Whatever the agreement is, have your friends look into their state 's taxation rules on the change of ownership. Lots of states charge an excise tax and valuation of an "old car" can tricky. And many states exempt transfers within the family. Better to know before standing at the DMV window. John Frymark _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 08:40:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C63842F0A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:40:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434474308A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:19:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3341770148492; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.10.14] (unknown [38.108.56.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 80812E000087; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: John Frymark Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:16:02 -0600 References: <000f01cedb01$e6ed6190$b4c824b0$@net> To: x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383750971; bh=NEvJKUWunVxVEVjKY7HGx95dCN0O+RtU7qpMVzqKHtk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=UMFJe4K7pIY1PK2G9kZj/BxUV9WnhcANhIKjj5QIEtRw2/RiLR4kqeu/sSoagzMfA d6vcHeWCR7LnLVaZmoQ36W12v4eMnpqvM36q9tgmvfYXP7ft074HHa5fuDy/6uE7uQ UpO8F2mTdkAE+bqoJMfuwfcNo6T8nKCGbPD98hpc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903527a5d3b2194 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes and California includes "grandparent" as family. Some states do not. And taxes are sales tax, not excise, so paid by the buyer. On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 AM, "RACER BUD" wrote: > California exempts family transfers from taxes and most fees > RB > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Frymark > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:37 AM > To: mini@wi.rr.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 Prices > > Whatever the agreement is, have your friends look into their state 's > taxation rules on the change of ownership. Lots of states charge an excise > tax and valuation of an "old car" can tricky. And many states exempt > transfers within the family. Better to know before standing at the DMV > window. > > John Frymark > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 10:16:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F2C430F7 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:16:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681CF4311B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:58:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id va2so2566638obc.37 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:56:09 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=FSJecttOMKe8Fca3BgwDli3QLuq+BtDUPqPhhu3ygP0=; b=Ab4tcQcgrjZU57aItn/R91Yh79pLlZamf5aZEEwKVldoKYT+sha1bDPaZ4n5dX9rHB APNlMz0Q/xxzBSiEpwUaJLJ7QSvJ4+saC7cn55GhrVKKK1/AKo1M018szb7AvOimjsl7 yGAqRNmRB4dJ3v/K5EAA9BGznqMj71IwvWS4j5D9RgU7ItK4EsursTOaG5gFag+Fuvl1 KAJ+CM59YtY3qGFoJ2PNEycoDy64CUBuLXz/RqijjycChnPspU+sAKrqkSVfVLmgDsfh JIZ1BDA26pMrKJ+ZrcD3WK1s3pgBZFwqoYrEoI4FytH0hvvdXETYYJk5mamL7ZMZSD/Q eZXA== dm10mr3476215oeb.0.1383756969032; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hl3sm45469833obb.0.2013.11.06.08.56.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:55:57 -0600 References: To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Consider that if the grandson is invested financially he is likely to be much more motivated to maintain the thing. Free cars, or nearly free cars, seem to get neglected much more easily. Duncan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 10:23:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1211143207 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:23:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8953942F41 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:15:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id wp18so10519192obc.29 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:13:42 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; bh=FeA6P9y8Wsxrc/P/g24NWB5wYjZ6Qr6XXm0c0AlChgA=; b=IiiC5xWcetYloeeUfmKMZtSOhGUKXVc35/6mqZLPO1yB67Ych0LQGPnw1ZOhOBNnvg TBtPIrEo/litbgGCL0IdFc5XwaC94tzP/SwCvrs+oZd9TgXLf5qafNkbg4Tzsp1IbDt+ 1vFgd37RADke/0V9XVrxdOTZmgpCHQgzaggLe3RvnWPDpzdInf+aha+tyswQ83mAso3y nUgLReL9s2HbnIMvE5Ibz89hlN86rSkkNM1tk/y9RXrz9BBUkEYlDrWkXsLl9g9jefCK KBtRPjyZWGBa6vfbvGMcPJt77QTI8dAq8AjifqKmd0SNw2BZSlQzTlwAkG1IoXje74zt s7Ow== m6mr3490026oeu.14.1383758022310; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d8sm53864980oeu.6.2013.11.06.09.13.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:13:38 -0600 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Oil comparo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This link was sent to me by a friend whose pre-war car dropped its babbit bearings after using Mobil 1 oil. http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf Duncan (Texas) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 13:19:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D7D4311E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:19:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D9B430E9 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:38:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (static-72-67-118-198.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.67.118.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91E7A2CA14; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:36:15 -0800 (PST) References: <40C676D6-C32C-4957-BA5D-393ADC4A0AA9@gmail.com> From: "J. Wagner" Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:36:15 -0800 To: Duncan Charlton Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I second Duncan's view. I'm thinking of a story that has a slight Triumph twist... In the late 80's I lived in Florida. One Christmas, I drove my TR7 back to my hometown in California for a two week vacation. I spotted my old 10 speed bike from middle school in my parent's garage and decided to restore it as a Christmas present for my then best friend back in Florida. It needed a lot of work. I stripped if to the metal and gave it a fresh paint job, new wheels, new tires, new chain, new brake cables, new handlebar wraps. Imagine the hours of my "vacation" that I spent knocking myself out on that restoration! I realized that I could buy a pretty decent new bike for a little more than I was spending on parts, but I was determined. My friend didn't have transportation and in the relatively small city I was living in, a bicycle could suffice as transportation for work. And that friend really needed a leg up. When it was done, I now turned my focus on how to get the bike back to Florida with my TR7. I purchased a bike carrier that attached to the back of the car. I don't recall the price, but it was a lot on my budget, but I convinced myself that the investment was worthwhile as I could use the rig in Florida to transport my own bike (and perhaps my friend's "new" bike) for local bike riding jaunts. The rack seemed practical, but on a 3000 mile trip it turned out to be a constant nuisance. I constantly had to pull over a tighten straps, tie off spinning parts, etc. It really was a pain and I was constantly concerned about what damage might come to my TR's paint job! Nevertheless, I couldn't wait to give the bike to my friend. He was far away from family and I knew his Christmas had been just another day for him. When I drove up his apartment building I managed to get the bike off the rack just in time to present it to him as he came out to the street. He was floored! He jumped on the bike like a giddy child jumping on his first tricycle! The tune "Raindrops keep falling on my head" came to mind as he rode up and down the street, grinning ear to ear! Push forward ONE week. I visited my friend and spotted the bike. Both wheels were bent (clearly from treating a 10 speed street bike like a mountain bike), the new strapping on the handlebars was frayed, and the bike looked like crap. Two weeks later, he couldn't even tell me where the bike even was. I never saw the bike again. If that gift had any chance of giving him that leg up that he needed, I should have brought the bike back as I found it in my parent's garage and helped him to restore it. It might have been the experience he needed to build the work ethic that my parents had instilled in me. I threw money his way one last time months later, by "selling" him a $500 beat up old mustang with no money down, but I never saw a cent and he trashed the car somewhere in central Florida near Lake Okeechobee. I knew he'd never make a payment, but I fell for the puppy eyes and his story. Once again, I could have created a learning experience for him, but it was easier to write off the car all at once then to put him to work to earn the car before giving him the keys, or to simply say no, reminding him of his irresponsibility with the bike I had given him. "Free cars, or nearly free cars, (or bicycles!) seem to get neglected much more easily." The passing of an old TR can be a great teachable moment, think it through! --Justin > On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > > Consider that if the grandson is invested financially he is likely to be much > more motivated to maintain the thing. Free cars, or nearly free cars, seem to > get neglected much more easily. > > Duncan > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 13:58:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328DE42FF5 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:58:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E6243096 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:16:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:14:32 -0500 Received: from b01cxnp22035.gho.pok.ibm.com (b01cxnp22035.gho.pok.ibm.com [9.57.198.25]) by d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C570D6E8040 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by b01cxnp22035.gho.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id rA6KEV4o63438998 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 20:14:31 GMT Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id rA6KEV0X015288 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:14:31 -0500 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id rA6KEVCH015279 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:14:31 -0500 References: To: fot@autox.team.net From: George Harmuth Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:14:27 -0500 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 11/06/2013 15:14:30 x-cbid: 13110620-7182-0000-0000-000009067A2F Subject: [Fot] Cold Air intake on a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all, I'm planning some off season work on the racing Spit (1296 with SUs, H2 or H4 depending on group I'm running with) and I was wondering what the group think was on cold air induction. Currently, I have nothing, it's using the under bonnet air (K&Ns with short velocity stacks inside) so I'm assuming I'll pick up some "free" power with outside air. I have a couple of design decisions to make, please feel free to advise me. 1. Is a single 3" hose, fed from a NACA duct mounted on the (cool) side of the radiator duct going to move enough air? Do I need a double hose? SCCA class rules prohibit me from using the headlight opening as an air intake unless I move up a class to FP, or switch to an 1147 engine, not worth it. I can fit a double hose NACA port there but it will be tight. 2. Closed air box or pipe it near the filters? I have a couple of factory air cleaners (for both size carbs) with double hose intakes I was thinking of using as a starting point for a closed air box. SCCA rules make me keep the inner fender wells so there's not a lot of depth available. Are the factory air boxes too restrictive to pass enough air at 7500 RPM? If I want to keep my current filter set up, will I still see a gain by just ending the duct work underneath and between the carbs? The open setup has an advantage of access for tweaking the carbs and an alternate path for air to get in if something blocks the NACA duct. Any other ideas, suggestions? thanks mike h 63 Spitfire G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 14:46:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC9642FD1 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:46:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C242FF1 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.74]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CC8EF700000A8; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mtc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.1]) by mtaomg-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 67FCEE000090; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:11:03 -0500 (EST) To: dlhogye@comcast.net, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383772263; bh=yRshs+/Ge0N6qZ01mDjBZ//jre2ZqXS+udgVGdkQek8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ckn4tBj+qUyJcSsgJry6/eC2fho1SR8toCG4x1aY1E1QMInfthqVhw16s/fr6YPqW GEj5t8u4K7jQOxNTH/Hgi9vdyUNpO3PKMcERkA6nKXHjSSZ+CkBS/iEVXQr7E02Bja ovTEJ+QqZuMc0i284/NGOU8F6n5xxJOE0luU57k0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294a527ab0675833 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 11/05/2013 8:32:18 PM Central Standard Time, dlhogye@comcast.net writes: > And, recently, for whatever auction prices do for the collector car > market, > good or bad, a perfectly restored small mouth TR3 went for $55,000.00. > I have my TR3 race car insured for $30K Amici... I share Dave's position that the early, small mouthed version is the more desirable TR3. Probably because I've owned and raced one for some thirty-three years, but more than that...I think it's style is classic. The way I understand it...Standard Triumph changed the small mouthed TR3 grill to the wide TR3A version because they saw that American cars at the time all had wide grills. The change was made in an effort to attract more American buyers. If that story is so, I always thought that they had shot themselves in the foot. Back in the 1950s, any American who was going to purchase a 'Foreign' car sure wanted it to look 'Foreign' and not American. But the sales were pretty good, so who knows. Bill Dentinger PS I also agree with Duncan that Grandpa should consider carefully the impact a 'gift' or even 'cut rate pricing' might have on his grandson. On the one hand getting something for nothing can cause you to lose sight of the value. Some grandsons could handle such issues just fine. Others not so much. Grandpa might consider financing the deal. Dealing with the debt has great educational value, and Grandpa can always forgive the debt, or a portion of it when and if that becomes appropriate. Shirley and I recently sold a very low mileage 1995 Taurus to one of our grandsons for one dollar. He needed a car and was up against the wall financially (college debt). He really appreciated our gesture. Within two weeks it had a brand new awesome radio and sound system, but I still don't have my dollar. At some time, when it becomes appropriate, we can always forgive the debt. In the mean time it makes for GREAT family dinner table discussion. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 15:15:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F123C43050 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:15:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1334942F9E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:02:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from DonPC (modemcable014.55-58-74.mc.videotron.ca [74.58.55.14]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPA id <0MVV00E783SFX790@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: BillDentin@aol.com, dlhogye@comcast.net, fot@autox.team.net References: <4f22b.66abc524.3fac0a67@aol.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:00:14 -0500 Thread-index: Ac7bOVjQ3wl2rJpRS0C9bIVF8I6g4gAAaRsg Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bill - Many years ago (sometime during the last century) Ken Gillanders told me that someone in California made a front apron with the wide grille and the Brits liked it so much, it was adopted for the TR3A (which back then was still called a TR3). When I bought my 1958 TR3A brand new in May 1959 the paperwork read TR3 - not TR3A. Don Elliott, Original Owner, Montreal -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin@aol.com Sent: November-06-13 4:11 PM To: dlhogye@comcast.net; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices In a message dated 11/05/2013 8:32:18 PM Central Standard Time, dlhogye@comcast.net writes: > And, recently, for whatever auction prices do for the collector car > market, > good or bad, a perfectly restored small mouth TR3 went for $55,000.00. > I have my TR3 race car insured for $30K Amici... I share Dave's position that the early, small mouthed version is the more desirable TR3. Probably because I've owned and raced one for some thirty-three years, but more than that...I think it's style is classic. The way I understand it...Standard Triumph changed the small mouthed TR3 grill to the wide TR3A version because they saw that American cars at the time all had wide grills. The change was made in an effort to attract more American buyers. If that story is so, I always thought that they had shot themselves in the foot. Back in the 1950s, any American who was going to purchase a 'Foreign' car sure wanted it to look 'Foreign' and not American. But the sales were pretty good, so who knows. Bill Dentinger PS I also agree with Duncan that Grandpa should consider carefully the impact a 'gift' or even 'cut rate pricing' might have on his grandson. On the one hand getting something for nothing can cause you to lose sight of the value. Some grandsons could handle such issues just fine. Others not so much. Grandpa might consider financing the deal. Dealing with the debt has great educational value, and Grandpa can always forgive the debt, or a portion of it when and if that becomes appropriate. Shirley and I recently sold a very low mileage 1995 Taurus to one of our grandsons for one dollar. He needed a car and was up against the wall financially (college debt). He really appreciated our gesture. Within two weeks it had a brand new awesome radio and sound system, but I still don't have my dollar. At some time, when it becomes appropriate, we can always forgive the debt. In the mean time it makes for GREAT family dinner table discussion. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 15:30:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BB143148 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:30:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail175c2.megamailservers.com (mail175c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E1642F9E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail175c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA6JrYi4018837; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:53:40 -0500 From: "john hasty" To: "'Duncan Charlton'" , "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: <07839E13-36B4-4844-BC51-90D13DBD7D70@GMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:53:34 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7bFKvkdM71AdjySVS+7u3swqtoaQAFOukg a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=Ri-4DOpnNPUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lSTFM6tkAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=Tr1fC4imOw4oVR5SZVAA:9 a=YFQIMrEyM4cVyF6G:21 a=JlbH6Tj_zs-8uNMV:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil comparo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just for what it is worth, there are only 3 synthetic base oil manufacturers: Clarion, ExxonMobil and the company that makes Joe Gibbs' stuff that I can't remember the name of.... All the rest are just blenders using one of these 3 products. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:14 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Oil comparo This link was sent to me by a friend whose pre-war car dropped its babbit bearings after using Mobil 1 oil. http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf Duncan (Texas) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 17:06:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FB1430EA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:06:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD3042F86 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:26:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131106232318.EXJO18907.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:23:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.13] ([68.226.56.207]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id mPPG1m00G4UFRTY01PPHlZ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:23:17 -0500 a=Pzl9SFdscvRhuKIrrMfpxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=tKtLNHpazw8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=dyg4yEgDJe9o0EXSN4AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=4Xv8QVUrdabbQ-Jy:21 a=Jrt8uofFqXiUGjzT:21 a=Pzl9SFdscvRhuKIrrMfpxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=weredinger@cox.net References: <4f22b.66abc524.3fac0a67@aol.com> From: Bill Redinger Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:23:15 -0600 To: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The wide mouth grille on the 1958 model was for engine cooling reasons experienced in USA cars. The factory did not use the TR3A designation, dealers in the USA used it to denote a new model. The factory did use the TR3B model designation though. Bill Redinger On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> wrote: > Bill - Many years ago (sometime during the last century) Ken Gillanders told > me that someone in California made a front apron with the wide grille and > the Brits liked it so much, it was adopted for the TR3A (which back then was > still called a TR3). When I bought my 1958 TR3A brand new in May 1959 the > paperwork read TR3 - not TR3A. > > Don Elliott, Original Owner, Montreal > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin@aol.com > Sent: November-06-13 4:11 PM > To: dlhogye@comcast.net; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices > > In a message dated 11/05/2013 8:32:18 PM Central Standard Time, > dlhogye@comcast.net writes: > > >> And, recently, for whatever auction prices do for the collector car >> market, >> good or bad, a perfectly restored small mouth TR3 went for $55,000.00. >> I have my TR3 race car insured for $30K > > Amici... > > I share Dave's position that the early, small mouthed version is the more > desirable TR3. Probably because I've owned and raced one for some > thirty-three years, but more than that...I think it's style is classic. The > way I > understand it...Standard Triumph changed the small mouthed TR3 grill to the > wide TR3A version because they saw that American cars at the time all had > wide > grills. The change was made in an effort to attract more American buyers. > If that story is so, I always thought that they had shot themselves in the > foot. Back in the 1950s, any American who was going to purchase a 'Foreign' > > car sure wanted it to look 'Foreign' and not American. But the sales were > pretty good, so who knows. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS I also agree with Duncan that Grandpa should consider carefully the > impact a 'gift' or even 'cut rate pricing' might have on his grandson. On > the > one hand getting something for nothing can cause you to lose sight of the > value. Some grandsons could handle such issues just fine. Others not so > much. > Grandpa might consider financing the deal. Dealing with the debt has > great educational value, and Grandpa can always forgive the debt, or a > portion > of it when and if that becomes appropriate. Shirley and I recently sold a > very low mileage 1995 Taurus to one of our grandsons for one dollar. He > needed a car and was up against the wall financially (college debt). He > really > appreciated our gesture. Within two weeks it had a brand new awesome radio > and sound system, but I still don't have my dollar. At some time, when it > becomes appropriate, we can always forgive the debt. In the mean time it > makes for GREAT family dinner table discussion. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 18:08:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1794643077 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:08:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D083042F93 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id at1so512259iec.29 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:reply-to:sensitivity:importance :subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=/sXbgG93i0FUVWR/CDsND1H36PfN8Z4ICKPhJigbDOU=; b=emVMXmoplr+28uSqHECscmuLpPA3qPAdveUJWilYflKh/UR4jCfhgnmY0VCxO3OXGH WnzKK2H/afjWnwrS/NLQ9N0TtQJcqmJVsb1UNkZIdfvorMOYgp3hBdJCkEm7alpO3OeX y/34ifcOW3RgF28RK2wnIFSwTZvMHMSEQoQs+o86uH2dGw942muMoXwEMb/+8d26Gl65 gp6xU805Grd87x70oZMfao5DI7oiC4BY5BipcA+FlU0ljk6ZGGLD9AUL2F28piFzhrlu TYQ/ueCJsaAJKfoC0xSbLIS359pdRpL3dhSmIam8BktbHHIs5d67sTK+wA9ztdJlN7j/ xAsg== yr5mr283316igb.38.1383785229527; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c14sm1212277ign.0.2013.11.06.16.47.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Sensitivity: Normal To: fot@autox.team.net From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:47:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Best GT6 (arguably) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well, one of the best GT6 race cars EVER is for sale... And, No one has made a comment or post about it, Yet. I knew this baby would come up sooner or later since it seems to have sat stagnant for a while now. Anyway, at risk of being beaten by it... The climax version, Kastner/Brophy Car is up for sale. I would by it in a heartbeat if I had my grandparent's money.... Or anyone's $37,500. (for that matter.) I'd be honored to have this car in my collection. But, I have the desire... Less the funds to support another killer GT6. Here is your chance to own a piece of TRIUMPH HISTORY. If anyone has the funds... Less the desire, Friendly Ghost Racing can help! Buy the car, and let me prep it properly and arrive and drive. This car, like all racing GT6's... Fall under the heading of qualifying for the FGR GT6 Heritage Trust Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 18:09:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D7C43138 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:09:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B15442F93 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x13so528119ief.9 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:47:15 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:reply-to:sensitivity:importance :subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=/sXbgG93i0FUVWR/CDsND1H36PfN8Z4ICKPhJigbDOU=; b=QfpPT/TIOinngFAEh556O2NR/PKCPugfOO/bDbIwllxqFGKJtMK2Yp8idKVPDWTNXv HpIwqUjcCeFmqZFWyjA4tt1MYAsRF7/ijykjlfNCauQld+AgZlFchPFReef/RDtbr28d yTmgyvpmiH0lNB6PgfhB1sgAJAX87oScggC1tDj94pxNexTFF3nNuolRlI7qCdERByoE RnQNcYcqj7pH2QZktnGfQmfNFwgdwtS6m4B5xMSxS9MY5rCzeKrU7T4zKqDcB3/oFhlw DgrZ0VpIp7ndKJqw+v28jX20fmCSMU0/hxVyngCspnDqLT0qciXm8O5VlKK2YFrR3Weu Fkog== ws11mr3894125icb.12.1383785234851; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x5sm1182125iga.6.2013.11.06.16.47.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:47:14 -0800 (PST) Sensitivity: Normal To: fot@autox.team.net From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 00:47:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Best GT6 (arguably) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well, one of the best GT6 race cars EVER is for sale... And, No one has made a comment or post about it, Yet. I knew this baby would come up sooner or later since it seems to have sat stagnant for a while now. Anyway, at risk of being beaten by it... The climax version, Kastner/Brophy Car is up for sale. I would by it in a heartbeat if I had my grandparent's money.... Or anyone's $37,500. (for that matter.) I'd be honored to have this car in my collection. But, I have the desire... Less the funds to support another killer GT6. Here is your chance to own a piece of TRIUMPH HISTORY. If anyone has the funds... Less the desire, Friendly Ghost Racing can help! Buy the car, and let me prep it properly and arrive and drive. This car, like all racing GT6's... Fall under the heading of qualifying for the FGR GT6 Heritage Trust Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 18:51:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A8D42FB6 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:51:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1716842FCA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:33:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k4so2929458qaq.0 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:31:54 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=o9xfbkXAIUNjpPyUBpm2kCCj4AZ9LH0x2z1DymbpPVM=; b=F81q2+y3FIQ95O+oe3OkpDKIcFirdl5aC+mqrybQrI7YWL7ClgUOaBUrITIk0FuRmV WAdlwmzd91pZuH9X/HZghj6alAvg0Eb71amWHkaBIL38AVFYdfFlEy6glhygjXHWSAK2 kQT/TpJb4ocbO76rbQTqPHsJhKA7fFtBCB+pMYl1dBYlUUMzzmxzfsXyF+epgUCpHUFb rlzG80YYWKcILxRZtg2QZY0prQXF60TaVW/CdNK6MllUvYKLjACDYLucgJDYmwZ+cwZr CiHdCF9TMy/rR5FO6eB9aJc8WShD4Y3bXy+95d7SRwOdukY+BBAtI/XBPpyAEAjbu5Vz 7qIg== r57mr3791932yhe.88.1383787600275; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c44sm1899843yho.20.2013.11.06.17.26.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:26:39 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:26:37 -0600 References: <4f22b.66abc524.3fac0a67@aol.com> <93797FF0-BABE-4223-9AB6-A95F37D1B9E6@cox.net> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Curious... I hadn't heard that inadequate cooling was the reason for going to the "dollar grin" of the later TR3s. The small-mouth TR3s don't rely on cardboard to duct air to the radiator, so I would have thought the earlier all-metal design would work well for longer, especially in wet climates. Our 1956 TR3 (one of the few drum-braked TR3s, TS 9858-L-O) never overheated here in Texas no matter what I did. I sure liked that car. It ended up in Connecticut in the mid-1980s. Duncan On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Bill Redinger wrote: > The wide mouth grille on the 1958 model was for engine cooling reasons > experienced in USA cars. The factory did not use the TR3A designation, dealers > in the USA used it to denote a new model. The factory did use the TR3B model > designation though. > > Bill Redinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 19:10:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872E94043C for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:10:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234B542FB5 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:05:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id rA723lil031957; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:03:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: jason@multivintage.com References: <20131107010901.937ED42FF1@autox.team.net> Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Best GT6 (arguably) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, We saw this car at Lime Rock the weekend prior to the Kastner cup. Is it listed on-line somewhere? I haven't been looking or anything... just curious. Looks like a really neat GT6+!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 19:13:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89108430EA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:13:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD85403F0 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:13:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id rA72B7eF031978; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:11:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: jason@multivintage.com References: <1705653846-1383790020-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-131249936-@b27.c3.bise6.blackberry> Cc: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Best GT6 (arguably) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 jason@multivintage.com wrote: > Was it running? It was NOT running that I saw. It was on display in the paddock with a "for sale" sign on it. I have pix, somewhere... > Yes the car is foe sale on line. I'll look for it. > This is a mk3. Ooops. l8r, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------Original Message------ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: jason@multivintage.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] The Best GT6 (arguably) > Sent: Nov 6, 2013 8:03 PM > > Hi, > > We saw this car at Lime Rock the weekend prior to the Kastner cup. > > Is it listed on-line somewhere? > > I haven't been looking or anything... just curious. > > Looks like a really neat GT6+!! > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 19:15:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA12C42FA3 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:15:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3EC4038B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id rA72D7SG031988 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:13:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Brophy GT6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Found it: http://automotiverestorations.com/sales/home/1972-triumph-gt6 rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 19:31:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDEB430EA for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:31:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F3C403E3 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from DonPC (modemcable014.55-58-74.mc.videotron.ca [74.58.55.14]) by VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPA id <0MVV00DWKFMXAW70@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:16:09 -0500 (EST) From: Don TR <58tr3a@videotron.ca> To: 'Duncan Charlton' , ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' References: <4f22b.66abc524.3fac0a67@aol.com> <93797FF0-BABE-4223-9AB6-A95F37D1B9E6@cox.net> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 21:16:07 -0500 Thread-index: Ac7bW4A4+6KpFZ/RS8GYjqkqEnt33wAASISg Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The TR2s and TR3s with the smallmouth had the air deflector built into the sheetmetal pressings for the front apron. The air that entered the smallmouth had nowhere to go but through the radiator. When they introduced the wide grille opening there was no problem with overheating because the widemouth grille was introduced about September of 1957 and no-one ever complained of them overheating till the summer of 1958. That's when the engineers at S-T had to find a low-cost and retrofitable solution. The result was the three-piece cardboard air deflector. My TR3A which I bought brand new in May 1958 had been built in February 1958 and came with no air deflector. I heard many years later that dealers were installing them if a TR3A owner complained of overheating. I drove mine from 1958 to 1972 and rallied it extensively with no air deflector. As I did all the work on my TR myself, I never needed to go back to the dealer. That's why I never knew that an air deflector could be installed by the dealer at no charge. During those years I drove 80,350 miles and blew about 4 head gaskets due to overheating. I think I also may have developed swollen tubes in the radiator from the combustion pressure and this moved the fins away from the cooling tubes in the radiator and made the heat transfer worse. When I restored my TR from 1987 to 1990, I put in the original rad after having it re-cored (5-row) and also an air deflector. I later added a 12" diameter Kenlowe elecrtic fan between the grille and the radiator to cool the engine in heavy traffic jams. I have had no over-heating issues or blown head gaskets since then having driven 113,000 miles. So while someone proposed that the development of the wider grille was to improve engine cooling, in fact it made things much worse till the introduction of the cardboard air deflector. What's the old saying, "If it ain't broke, why fix it ?" Don Elliott, Original Owner, TS 27489 LO, Montreal -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duncan Charlton Sent: November-06-13 8:27 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Prices Curious... I hadn't heard that inadequate cooling was the reason for going to the "dollar grin" of the later TR3s. The small-mouth TR3s don't rely on cardboard to duct air to the radiator, so I would have thought the earlier all-metal design would work well for longer, especially in wet climates. Our 1956 TR3 (one of the few drum-braked TR3s, TS 9858-L-O) never overheated here in Texas no matter what I did. I sure liked that car. It ended up in Connecticut in the mid-1980s. Duncan On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Bill Redinger wrote: > The wide mouth grille on the 1958 model was for engine cooling reasons > experienced in USA cars. The factory did not use the TR3A designation, dealers > in the USA used it to denote a new model. The factory did use the TR3B model > designation though. > > Bill Redinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a@videotron.ca _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 06:02:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D1A43044 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:02:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D410942F68 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.180.70.43] (82.132.236.133) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 525E6B62037C564D for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:51 +0000 From: TR4 Tony Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the Tests, costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. People could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety matters hence my email to this group. 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the rack tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack has nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine and which I was lucky to walk away from. 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the rack preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open to the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just spins itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design and manufacturing. I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky to survive unscathed. The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow holes evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality control. 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and again is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy themselves of their safety in use. I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will replace it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in use. Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their response. Regards Tony _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 06:27:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC0A43013 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:27:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1E942F68 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W32 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:24:10 -0800 From: Chuck WATSON To: TR4 Tony , FOT List Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:24:09 -0500 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> FILETIME=[A4A367B0:01CEDBBC] Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > All > > I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 > steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the Tests, > costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. People > could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety > matters hence my email to this group. > > 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the rack > tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack has > nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite > directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine and > which I was lucky to walk away from. > > 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the rack > preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control > and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open to > the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused > because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just spins > itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design and > manufacturing. > > I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky > to survive unscathed. > > The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow holes > evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > control. > > 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not > cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and again > is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which > we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, > however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy themselves > of their safety in use. > > I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will replace > it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in use. > > Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > response. > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 07:00:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383FC43120 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:00:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBF4403ED for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:53:44 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=QAjwgetJsvg87/qHwJ3WnQ==:17 a=cw2IfOG4yaoA:10 a=LX6l3lbeMFcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=TIpwmBXSS6kA:10 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=_cAg3TSFXEi-IOW0sCEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=m4XPHaY5mnz0sXzS:21 a=2C6GpJVCEL2lkM4i:21 a=QAjwgetJsvg87/qHwJ3WnQ==:117 Received: from [166.147.66.175] ([166.147.66.175:21190] helo=[10.215.138.228]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 26/7D-00701-2DA9B725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:51:15 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:51:13 -0600 To: Chuck WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use that quick rack from Moss in my TR3 as well. I sure will take a close look at it now. Is there a made in Argentina stamp on the housing somewhere that i should look for? Thanks for the heads up. Greg > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Chuck WATSON wrote: > > Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they > claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a > Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. > If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see > exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > >> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net >> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks >> >> All >> >> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 >> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. >> >> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the > Tests, >> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. > People >> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. >> >> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety >> matters hence my email to this group. >> >> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined >> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the > rack >> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack > has >> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in > opposite >> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of >> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. >> >> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine > and >> which I was lucky to walk away from. >> >> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the > rack >> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of > control >> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open > to >> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused >> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just > spins >> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design > and >> manufacturing. >> >> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were > lucky >> to survive unscathed. >> >> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow > holes >> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality >> control. >> >> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not >> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and > again >> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. >> >> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix > (which >> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, >> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in >> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy > themselves >> of their safety in use. >> >> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will > replace >> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in > use. >> >> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their >> response. >> >> Regards >> >> Tony >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 07:13:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B486C431A8 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:13:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (vader.london.02.net [82.132.130.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923F142ADC for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.180.70.43] (82.132.236.133) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 52643FE302BD8C3D; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:09:10 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> From: TR4 Tony Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:09:08 +0000 To: Greg And Alison Blake Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net White sticker on the main tube as I recall. Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:51, Greg And Alison Blake wrote: > > I use that quick rack from Moss in my TR3 as well. I sure will take a close look at it now. Is there a made in Argentina stamp on the housing somewhere that i should look for? > > Thanks for the heads up. > > Greg > >> On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Chuck WATSON wrote: >> >> Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they >> claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a >> Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. >> If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see >> exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net >>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 >>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks >>> >>> All >>> >>> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 >>> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. >>> >>> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the >> Tests, >>> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. >> People >>> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. >>> >>> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety >>> matters hence my email to this group. >>> >>> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined >>> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the >> rack >>> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack >> has >>> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in >> opposite >>> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of >>> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. >>> >>> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine >> and >>> which I was lucky to walk away from. >>> >>> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the >> rack >>> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of >> control >>> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open >> to >>> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused >>> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just >> spins >>> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design >> and >>> manufacturing. >>> >>> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were >> lucky >>> to survive unscathed. >>> >>> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow >> holes >>> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality >>> control. >>> >>> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not >>> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and >> again >>> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. >>> >>> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix >> (which >>> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, >>> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in >>> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy >> themselves >>> of their safety in use. >>> >>> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will >> replace >>> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in >> use. >>> >>> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their >>> response. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Tony >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 07:15:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC250430E9 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:15:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout05.eigbox.net (bosmailout05.eigbox.net [66.96.185.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B9B403EA for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 07:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan20.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.20]) by bosmailout05.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VeQKr-0007g6-Fs for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:13:25 -0500 Received: from bosimpout03.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.3]) by bosmailscan20.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1VeQKr-0005UI-FR; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:13:25 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp13.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.13]) by bosimpout03.eigbox.net with NO UCE id meDR1m00F0GvDVm01eDRfL; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:13:25 -0500 a=Z/iyfutoV/OUUWbxX14Mlw==:17 a=3-MZCWuAnnEA:10 a=xr3vWwlBTUkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mbmRtEmnqnsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=qv-AvP2yAAAA:8 a=Cas_RUPTh4v5pTg_T1QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-RF_VAIMUzQA:10 a=Sv0xFxFA1E4A:10 a=vzdVN8dm0BkA:10 a=UH8/iCWBfdUmbm4Ft4Vi3Q==:117 Received: from [173.219.77.9] (port=58872 helo=zap6) by bosauthsmtp13.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1VeQKj-0003Jt-Vj; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:13:25 -0500 From: "Robert MacKenzie" To: "'Robert M. Lang'" , References: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:13:06 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7bXus3HVUJH3CGQTSEzWADDLotWgAZGHHQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Brophy GT6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have been told (by the seller) that it has been sold. It was offered to me for $27K. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:13 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Brophy GT6 Found it: http://automotiverestorations.com/sales/home/1972-triumph-gt6 rml _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 10:51:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207D543087 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:51:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy12.mail.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [67.20.64.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9878C43530 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1869 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2013 17:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy18.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2013 17:40:54 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=58292 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VeTZe-0002EM-K3; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 10:40:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:40:49 -0600 To: George Harmuth ,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews us.ibm.com> References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air intake on a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I don't see any other responses, so I'll jump in with partial info - I can't help with "one hose or two hoses". However, the closed box / open box... If you do a closed box and it manages to build up pressure, it will change the fuel mixture in the carbs. Most folks get cold air to the carbs but have the cold air box / plenum open at the back so pressure doesn't build. I did something of the sort on my TR-4, but don't have any real way to measure whether it does any good or not. Tony Drews At 02:14 PM 11/6/2013, George Harmuth wrote: >Hi all, I'm planning some off season work on the racing Spit (1296 with >SUs, H2 or H4 depending on group I'm running with) and I was wondering what >the group think was on cold air induction. Currently, I have nothing, it's >using the under bonnet air (K&Ns with short velocity stacks inside) so I'm >assuming I'll pick up some "free" power with outside air. > >I have a couple of design decisions to make, please feel free to advise me. > >1. Is a single 3" hose, fed from a NACA duct mounted on the (cool) side of >the radiator duct going to move enough air? Do I need a double hose? SCCA >class rules prohibit me from using the headlight opening as an air intake >unless I move up a class to FP, or switch to an 1147 engine, not worth it. >I can fit a double hose NACA port there but it will be tight. > >2. Closed air box or pipe it near the filters? I have a couple of factory >air cleaners (for both size carbs) with double hose intakes I was thinking >of using as a starting point for a closed air box. SCCA rules make me keep >the inner fender wells so there's not a lot of depth available. Are the >factory air boxes too restrictive to pass enough air at 7500 RPM? If I want >to keep my current filter set up, will I still see a gain by just ending >the duct work underneath and between the carbs? The open setup has an >advantage of access for tweaking the carbs and an alternate path for air to >get in if something blocks the NACA duct. > >Any other ideas, suggestions? > >thanks >mike h >63 Spitfire > > >G. Michael Harmuth >Software Engineer >Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 11:08:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107F243252 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:08:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F8B430E1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:03:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id 7F9E2F5C473 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L+TQ-FrblwcL for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.175]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id D14DDFBDD11 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:01:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:01:37 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Peter Caldwell Subject: [Fot] Quick Spitfire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Front wheel seal..... felt faces which way? TIA Peter C _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 11:09:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9228D43239 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:09:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e9.ny.us.ibm.com (e9.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42909403FA for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:06:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted for from ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:27 -0500 Received: from d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (9.56.250.166) by e9.ny.us.ibm.com (192.168.1.109) with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:24 -0500 Received: from b01cxnp23033.gho.pok.ibm.com (b01cxnp23033.gho.pok.ibm.com [9.57.198.28]) by d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773E838C805F for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by b01cxnp23033.gho.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id rA7I4Ne924576130 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:04:23 GMT Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id rA7I4NnN031507 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:23 -0500 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id rA7I4M8D031367; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:22 -0500 References: <201311071742.rA7HgFFQ022236@d01av04.pok.ibm.com> To: Tony Drews From: George Harmuth Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:04:15 -0500 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 11/07/2013 13:04:21 x-cbid: 13110718-7182-0000-0000-0000090A2D8F Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air intake on a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tony, I did get many replies off list. I noticed the factory air box has an open slot on the bottom, I assumed it was for make up air if there was a flow problem ( or to let gas / oil drip out?) but it could very well be there for pressure relief. mike G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 11:54:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3241F43124 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:54:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831C4403D4 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B5EA1C8E; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:47:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:47:56 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: Peter Caldwell , fot@autox.team.net References: <20131107180144.7F9E2F5C473@mx2.netinteraction.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Quick Spitfire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Peter Caldwell wrote: > Front wheel seal..... felt faces which way? > The felt faces towards the center of the car, it should be the part that rubs against the upright. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 12:21:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4E24354F for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:21:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACE542B12 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BBA3A7015B4BF; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mtc001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.1]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8E40EE000094; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:05:45 -0500 (EST) To: tony@tonydrews.com, harmug@us.ibm.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383851145; bh=TA48jcoyjgKUinOpZxg7Y7xwujjSEnK+HcSuEgYznM8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d6QlahHni1L2vVOCdB+zS1znanftzV+b3kenzefo/sRoJ/CnNVskZSbMU+SriIu82 Mg++24OEXrgW78QhkTg+Fxr2shZvvJXJjAOQHJAqOSCCBv1aUXK7d7/2qwJDpBeQRo p0JyOWVvfQ0e//6zS/MjmKtd3WWcXpOoGp53XUjo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c527be4897cf1 Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air intake on a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 11/07/2013 11:49:43 AM Central Standard Time, tony@tonydrews.com writes: > I don't see any other responses, so I'll jump in with partial info - > I can't help with "one hose or two hoses". However, the closed box / > open box... If you do a closed box and it manages to build up > pressure, it will change the fuel mixture in the carbs. Most folks > get cold air to the carbs but have the cold air box / plenum open at > the back so pressure doesn't build. I did something of the sort on my > TR-4, but don't have any real way to measure whether it does any good or not. > Amici... Our Tornado Thunder Bolt had a gorgeous and very British engine bay, which included a cold air box ducted to get air to the carbs. But, as Tony points out, it too did not work for crap until Bob Wismer and I drilled holes in the back of it to allow air to flow cleanly through. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 13:19:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09493431E1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:19:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA456431A8 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u18so857985qcx.22 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:56:50 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/OSDDssaj/AHvxY//1IHxIRAd0PKOpqf4urTDPRQVsI=; b=Ghk+MZlzrCQSuXl5CGJsI1imJ6/+2TO4lpl5isGkOCKs1t+H/B21Hgfm9nWrMmbMdv hKyY+5iswVRW2pNS6Hw2K7i/0S+nUOY4M8nVUe2pFST0kbdEi2HrpJLRQMe7rKdacjsI PxVMKOML8DWfE1B4BSZM2mV78f1yh9PPVTLizJ1Nmy31nw3XGUGWbAAv8kBlWXYdtKUI U2BhZmsDhwAlHTvMceW24W5N/lHo0DmjxUo/NDOamsb/56pIej0zyQ60Y7gDYd//Y9Uk 6oAWKuP7cv+W7GSp7Etf2EXf7wb/EKGmbipKs517eI3tnwGhM0GDkGWj6xEOd5i5OO/u MxcQ== w2mr15800963qeg.32.1383852430859; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.199.131 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kas Kastner Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:26:30 -0800 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Air boxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I did tons of experiments with cold air boxes. I found I had to either pipe a tube to the float bowls from the box or cut an opening. I also found that the opening of one carb throat diameter was sufficient to give normal breathing. Don't bother trying pressurize the cold air box. It will take about 140 mph to give any improvement over normal atmosphere and that is only an indication. The cold air though is well worth the effort. *Never be beaten by equipment.* _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 16:15:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1684319D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:15:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A53243044 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:59:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131107225710.SEIY10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:57:10 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.248.126]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id mmx91m00R2kNDRN05mxA8t; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:57:10 -0500 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:17 a=FtzfK-18wKcA:10 a=23tD6chPKisA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=hEe4N4CGhtgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=alrfvcVbty4lrFXa9QEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=bfajXNf4U5UA:10 a=mgTP7tYeyS0A:10 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:117 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:57:10 -0500 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20131107180144.7F9E2F5C473@mx2.netinteraction.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Quick Spitfire question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Toward the spindle On 11/7/2013 1:01 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Front wheel seal..... felt faces which way? > > TIA > > Peter C > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 17:57:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E5A42ADC for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:57:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAF1403F0 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:27:56 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=vQZGZfJ2qgIA:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=66_hJiWSV8dB-D-opvYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:60347] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 9E/16-00722-D8F2C725; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 00:25:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 0:25:49 +0000 From: Randall To: George Harmuth , fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Air intake on a Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Tony Drews wrote: > I don't see any other responses, so I'll jump in with partial info - > I can't help with "one hose or two hoses". However, the closed box / > open box... If you do a closed box and it manages to build up > pressure, it will change the fuel mixture in the carbs. The cure for that should be to bring the float bowl vent into the air box. The later "emissions" carbs do that, but I doubt anyone is racing with them. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 17:59:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DDA431D5 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:59:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A95A40415 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:30:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.166.111.245] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:29:41 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:28:26 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7cGXD1h3lEPM2bT/eyDVNp2HmIwA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] TR4 Interior Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for some black vinyl wheel arch coverings for the back seat in my race car. The more patina the better! Anybody have some they wouldn't mind parting with? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 18:54:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB994314A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:54:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3926F403E8 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:47:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id rA81iHff002670 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:44:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:44:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] New Vertical Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, On a whim, I purchased a couple of brand-new vertical links for my race car. The parts look pretty good and the dimensions all see okay. I noticed one oddity, though. The ACME thread that goes into the trunnion on both links is about one turn too short... It looks like they started to cut (roll or otherwise form the threads but the tooling lifted off (or something)). The undercut on both sides is almost exactly the same, e.g. the last full turn isn't usable. Hence, the trunnion does not thread on all the way. All this is a long winded way of asking: is it okay to try to hand cut the remaining thread or is this something a crafty auto machinist can handle. I have no idea how to make these parts work as-is because with one-less turn into the trunnion, the geometry changes...sort of a lot (the vertical link is like 1/4" longer or so). Any guidance is appreciated. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 19:19:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC849431D0 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:19:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB99A40406 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:10:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id p10so1457624pdj.22 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 18:08:25 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=vVtKaEiSBJyyk8WbRdxZ8Wdl55UJoj+tkF7+xxMf27g=; b=hqUAN2HfZsunFMrs7Bw8her62ydX8G8Ez8zhUags/SB7AjROeYibr37hcFv8dVzDuF kAtU2r+yXYjIs0H+ry91nWjxBNeVPsrUKoT+qhMiV+E69nRjUZmlR3eG6lKhheU1991i IuKEr6Vp3L4a9bYjVi8ZuBYfY8sK6hk+4HtaTi2+O17us5E6Ka2EEc0wbSqx+uvwTu3B gSWWJIPuRocDwrm6xNpgJPZTGzO/I2J2alzBG50cMuZRuG3K5qqoeJSuiYoqkq3flvCr oaC3ZCO04OrvKuGv0DxYvqXMlqLz7frll9gzKo9zE0uyvXnpZDz3RQJ8qTNpAmV6fmU2 n9Lg== sm2mr12232029pbc.68.1383876505703; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 18:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.4.177] (blue.hawaiianatkahalaresort.com. [72.235.180.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ry4sm9991852pab.4.2013.11.07.18.08.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Nov 2013 18:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:08:23 -1000 References: To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] New Vertical Links Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As I recall, you dont have to fix that, though all my measurements are TR3. Yes, its wrong, yes, it makes the link a little longer, no, it doesnt affect geometry significantly, in fact, it turns out to be slightly better (on TR3s anyway). It pushes the roll center out a little further, which isnt all that big a deal, but it also gets the angle of the upper and lower arms a little closer to the steering link angle, which mitigates bump steer. I dont have my notes with me, but I did a roll/bump of the longer link on the software I use, and as I recall it was pretty neutral in effect. On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > On a whim, I purchased a couple of brand-new vertical links for my race car. The parts look pretty good and the dimensions all see okay. I noticed one oddity, though. The ACME thread that goes into the trunnion on both links is about one turn too short... It looks like they started to cut (roll or otherwise form the threads but the tooling lifted off (or something)). The undercut on both sides is almost exactly the same, e.g. the last full turn isn't usable. > > Hence, the trunnion does not thread on all the way. > > All this is a long winded way of asking: is it okay to try to hand cut the remaining thread or is this something a crafty auto machinist can handle. I have no idea how to make these parts work as-is because with one-less turn into the trunnion, the geometry changes...sort of a lot (the vertical link is like 1/4" longer or so). > > Any guidance is appreciated. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 10:50:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0719B403EF for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:50:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DCB42A14 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:31:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MVY00B01GJ28V90@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:28:16 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-08_07:2013-11-08,2013-11-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311080109 From: Scott Janzen Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:28:14 -0500 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] what's a TR3 sell for? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net here's what seems like a very reasonable price for one, albeit with a TR4 drivetrain. http://bringatrailer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 11:41:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8118D431C5 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:41:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mailrtr03.ntelos.net (mailrtr03.ntelos.net [216.12.0.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9851D403D4 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:15:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.ntelos.net (webmail.lumos.net [209.145.64.96]) by mailrtr03.ntelos.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id rA8IDNfa025855; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:13:23 -0500 Received: from d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU (d-128-234-204.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.234.204]) by webmail.ntelos.net with HTTP (SquirrelMail authenticated user rjl6n@cstone.net); Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:13:25 -0500 References: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:13:25 -0500 From: "R. John Lye" To: "Scott Janzen" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] what's a TR3 sell for? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Another one who watches BaT, eh? I live near there and have met the owner. He's a good guy, and this should be a decent car. I haven't actually looked closely at this car, though. John On Fri, November 8, 2013 12:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > here's what seems like a very reasonable price for one, albeit with a TR4 > drivetrain. > > http://bringatrailer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 11:43:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0191E43381 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:43:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77860403FE for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MVY00N7WIZE2M00@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:21:16 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-08_08:2013-11-08,2013-11-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311080115 From: Scott Janzen Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 13:21:13 -0500 References: To: "R. John Lye" Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] what's a TR3 sell for? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yup, BaT is old car porn. On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:13 PM, R. John Lye wrote: Another one who watches BaT, eh? I live near there and have met the owner. He's a good guy, and this should be a decent car. I haven't actually looked closely at this car, though. John On Fri, November 8, 2013 12:28 pm, Scott Janzen wrote: > here's what seems like a very reasonable price for one, albeit with a TR4 > drivetrain. > > http://bringatrailer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl@gt-classics.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 12:07:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759FA42B12 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:07:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC05B40414 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:59:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.180.70.43] (82.132.236.133) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 525ECCA603720498; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:08:51 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> From: TR4 Tony Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:08:48 +0000 To: Chuck WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chuck I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have first hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any 'Made in Argentina'. Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks made now with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you contact Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be running one of the first when they arrive. Regards Tony Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON wrote: > > Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > > > All > > > > I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 > > steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > > > I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the Tests, > > costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. People > > could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > > > The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety > > matters hence my email to this group. > > > > 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > > scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the rack > > tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack has > > nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite > > directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > > insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > > > I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine and > > which I was lucky to walk away from. > > > > 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the rack > > preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control > > and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open to > > the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused > > because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just spins > > itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design and > > manufacturing. > > > > I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky > > to survive unscathed. > > > > The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow holes > > evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > > control. > > > > 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not > > cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and again > > is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > > > I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which > > we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, > > however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > > Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy themselves > > of their safety in use. > > > > I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will replace > > it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in use. > > > > Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > > response. > > > > Regards > > > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 12:37:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920A34350B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:37:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (qproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [173.254.64.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6518542FB6 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20726 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2013 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by qproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2013 19:08:53 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=64165 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VerQL-0000b4-3c; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:08:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 13:08:47 -0600 To: TR4 Tony ,Chuck WATSON From: Tony Drews References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FYI - I've got a Moss Quick Rack that I was planning to install this winter - says "Made in Argentina" clearly on the sticker on it. Guess I'll stick with the old stock one that's in the TR4. Tony Drews At 08:08 AM 11/7/2013, TR4 Tony wrote: >Chuck > >I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have first >hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any 'Made >in Argentina'. > >Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks made now >with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you contact >Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be running >one of the first when they arrive. > >Regards > >Tony > >Regards > >Tony > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON wrote: > > > > Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they >claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a >Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. >If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see >exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > > > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 > > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > > Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > > > > > All > > > > > > I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction >TR4 > > > steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > > > > > I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the >Tests, > > > costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. >People > > > could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > > > > > The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious >safety > > > matters hence my email to this group. > > > > > > 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > > > scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the >rack > > > tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack >has > > > nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in >opposite > > > directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > > > insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > > > > > I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of > which was mine >and > > > which I was lucky to walk away from. > > > > > > 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the >rack > > > preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of >control > > > and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's >open to > > > the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and >caused > > > because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just >spins > > > itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design >and > > > manufacturing. > > > > > > I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were >lucky > > > to survive unscathed. > > > > > > The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow >holes > > > evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > > > control. > > > > > > 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are >not > > > cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and >again > > > is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > > > > > I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix >(which > > > we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for >purpose, > > > however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > > > Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy >themselves > > > of their safety in use. > > > > > > I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will >replace > > > it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in >use. > > > > > > Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > > > response. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 14:39:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4730E43508 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:39:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B4E43152 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] ([76.99.29.73]) by p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id n9Be1m00C1aezes019Be9h; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:11:39 -0700 From: Scott Janzen Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:11:38 -0500 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my purposes. Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or less, like Bestlap on Ebay? Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 16:03:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EAA42FF1 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:03:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D8742F21 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 22:35:51 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.142] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 22:35:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2013 22:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 7842 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2013 22:35:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383950150; bh=YIVKXEUICq9eXhBJPbLwUMAx1toMZ/NBZFucBKI9jgg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NIo4rnPquvMWDEMnsNqZlUTefcdsolwAeACC5SWXkzLYTJUyf8mw6o0WVamyivsNKXUwYmb69Xma6F+7k04391NAeF1sy1L1s35am2NGzaRS/zWR00WhKRtOc58z+woeJlzMasuGIw4SmwDF/cAOsS1kJp1ZMyDNN/oXkrDvzeM= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h9e4dtm9o8oAZWktGlLKZ01dZpo7NBo2Ot1l9/ZkYM7EMjYNfrqUvOnnF0NT9X+4jyT+9c1xMhjtn5ZDDtFI/LX7ibz6Q+VV9iM1mzKRFJQ+1yekHEgeP7sUvWXs8xOgDcjbCKu7GaDHhn3VwOZsarwMljc5xG02c5UI9kDUDOw=; LUgoLNPgDtRrRH.1rqwmgwGOGix9LArp0QYPuwwTFK2YA7XdAbTFhVLFWxE0 L6fLUgXl.zR0uYnrxDzJqK2yYhg95ggORpuHDHIAaoQ3q.ZtQNYFghFLapQ_ rqRhBJM2CILFhLzU29eJd36uH11nhPSNzlEzDTPXV2NRwqZQNLC3HvgErPlu WlTB7U9UoeZfB3BbcWyaRHzP27cMeEmeKMcOhc5qYwzgqVmMiNErjJpUHXwA ZRsu4.ZiP81Wl1AmVLh6OCpF6v0uiTk1F14VOXg2QV4C19.aicQ1sqjisoqQ jGCUFTod9CPsqrm7enB_mElSZr2Fy6qDbAZ3YhQb.irlyEv5rqbvFzCsFxUQ 45XiNu6zcSEeygOBndss1kMKuK2jKgESJ4VAZy1yvcUcGqNHT7WcaDomMqWu cyiPiZ4XjILLbk3R4O4bUjQjMM24RlphZs6xzLMYAsq2fl3LG3ymGgLq7CIP 8KWMRL5hSCvrCf0icVwl.wsGLHgMZxFgeL6t_T.sds6FDY66nq_NrgmLtcOp SOZ3ZK6vrn_On6r73lIvSUvhe.df1RJG03VisBo8jWXKgx1Ac6C_iP4N6M1V vjz6kVERF82wQOkOR14674mY- Received: from [68.165.86.214] by web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:35:50 PST dGhlcmUgaXMgYW4gYXBwIGZvciB0aGF0IG9uIG15IGlQaG9uZSAuLi4gU3BlZWQgVHJhY2tlci4uLi4ganVzdCBtb3VudCBpbiB5b3VyIGNhciB0byB3YXRjaCAuLi4gQm9iYnkKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFNjb3R0IEphbnplbiA8SmFuemVuQFJFY2F0YWx5c3QuY29tPgpUbzogJ0ZyaWVuZHMgb2YgVHJpdW1waCcgVHJpdW1waCA8Zm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiAKU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciA4LCAyMDEzIDM6MTEgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW0ZvdF0BMAEBAQE- References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bobby Whitehead To: Scott Janzen , FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in your car to watch ... Bobby ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my purposes. Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or less, like Bestlap on Ebay? Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 17:07:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7348A43196 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:07:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (mail-pb0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A05D4303E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id rr4so2770441pbb.39 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:35:15 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=K7WWua9HQKp23MCPlgxeviV9QzGh/IhK9MUcHbGKkmI=; b=fNuiMkVhth78EqWoYPZZiiJmKbF+WbNpHa1Xi/5UpYt0kLoXE001NZQyDhrK1imU+0 KKvc2GGmkLV+hVVGD6zWxkXQ+LLDlHGvwvqMGJEZDOWvrtgoRTYWhTxBYtVI2ahYCZPK xuUXyaPfkInSy3hRerRkK2wPUhHUz+56kCYhFdH70gNeBDOzOtqmmppl3y3TXpWzfFDf IY3IKnX40ZO9LtPmBHUlghjkaIxPSBECDT5KWynq396/FaINpLwXS1yPe5naHrQ/qvlB sTHY+EVuSreSabIUkSbK0tSUCF095akGj0A7zhIkPAGO8ruRADO/Gmm+PzyFAUeMcyPJ vhZg== ea3mr17647748pbc.124.1383953715419; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gg10sm14569467pbc.46.2013.11.08.15.35.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:35:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Babcock Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:35:11 -1000 References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph , Scott Janzen Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in your car to watch ... Bobby > > > > ________________________________ > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM > Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices > > > I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a > stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. > > All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my > purposes. > > Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or less, > like Bestlap on Ebay? > > Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 17:28:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4142F43228 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:28:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FD24303E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9D63A7000009B; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.5.220] (ip-64-134-132-9.public.wayport.net [64.134.132.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 3F235E0000E9; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:09:56 -0500 (EST) References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: christopher bock Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:09:53 -0800 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383955796; bh=v85u2PhtLa4DRzXTKS2KHnHw+SAaSKy+EQOUr+1HqAU=; h=From:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=knA9wjsXjWKvPU6JaLgA8nSYTaJ+9j4XIMeazGhXg5NGykyS4P9F6+6iVZO0Mngih yOToPr5PB0e2pMP4tt7lBztoU2B0sE7BZ3woKLrGbUIUnOFSl2+1TwgKHk1maBVN0h 18iuc14efO1rozg6HVe2Mzosw82sgL7GLJfdsRqM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c3527d7d543979 Cc: Scott Janzen , FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My friend uses QStarz. It is a GPS type of data collector. He uses it with some software to merge it with video. Sincerely, Chris Bock SeaCubeCo.com 609-319-4322 On Nov 8, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data > collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone > camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. > On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in > your car to watch ... Bobby >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Scott Janzen >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices >> >> >> I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a >> stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. >> >> All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my >> purposes. >> >> Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or > less, >> like Bestlap on Ebay? >> >> Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 17:31:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B4043476 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:31:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44053430A2 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:26:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.250.108.209] (216.sub-174-237-0.myvzw.com [174.237.0.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA90Nt9b030846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:23:57 -0500 References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:23:53 -0500 To: Bill Babcock a=rDjIkplvggjCUCyfP0RkWw==:17 a=UjzjxXcoAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=hu2335CzAU8A:10 a=dKKdPrnsAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=cfgyb_j6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=_zrGF460ngcPBllvDVYA:9 a=3RpB6bVCC-XiZOdp:21 a=DeReIONiABB-HmCt:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=jJEJZSdMZHEA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=rUEhzqVmrnEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: Scott Janzen , FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Gee, don't your sanction bodies furnish time sheets after each session? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data > collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone > camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. > On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in > your car to watch ... Bobby >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Scott Janzen >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices >> >> >> I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a >> stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. >> >> All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my >> purposes. >> >> Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or > less, >> like Bestlap on Ebay? >> >> Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 19:05:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B435C42FB6 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:05:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1433E40446 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:41:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id rA91cuM6006021; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:38:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Tony Drews References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi - as a member of the "unwashed", it would be good to know what is so "bad" about the quickracks out there. I've had one on my race car since 2007 and it works fine. No problems, knock wood. And a lot better than the one I took out which had a problem with an inner tie rod end. So, what's the deal. Is there more than anecdotal evidence that the quick racks have issues or is this just an effort to drum support for a run of racks from another supplier? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 19:41:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029B9431C8 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:41:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0739142F21 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:31:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.250.241.24] (116.sub-174-228-65.myvzw.com [174.228.65.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA92TSx8009728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:29:29 -0500 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> From: John Hasty Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:29:27 -0500 To: "Robert M. Lang" a=6qbzpQhEmz4WpnEBje8wyA==:17 a=UjzjxXcoAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=LX6l3lbeMFcA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=TIpwmBXSS6kA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=-eFblNzTGmiyzh4dkM4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=noQjv9YW-iYA:10 a=KTDso90Uc2QA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who else has them other than Moss? The only one I have found for a 3A has regular ratio not quick. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2013, at 8:38 PM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > Hi - as a member of the "unwashed", it would be good to know what is so "bad" about the quickracks out there. I've had one on my race car since 2007 and it works fine. No problems, knock wood. And a lot better than the one I took out which had a problem with an inner tie rod end. > > So, what's the deal. Is there more than anecdotal evidence that the quick racks have issues or is this just an effort to drum support for a run of racks from another supplier? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 20:19:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FBF403EF for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:19:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E82C403DA for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k1so3221475oag.6 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:12:59 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=nK7uYF9RzZf0oDuXYddWca/gfHDp3/+UJvXjzPXBSjA=; b=C087w5tLX6szORy/XO6WoaSlULAHMhTijfCYTkXyciwggM9rCIDdkL2wmA+sTo2xif bKIHq+I8+5RY31OaxDIv1aZG7pWuIikUX75NO3zZwZ6p5zTiWMmuctzRNMQq1FGzEEd/ 4EXJAHMcdqNYT0Cur62ZYP+TIlAyDUNoI6nlXjqlzQt2ojsxGyLa17V8urOq+OzbpnC7 fUYZxWrfraqwRr4HsNEsxFe6sjY52jUuL+m3SCt7fiOlZnFQjxAWvjHG/kE/JmNewBut iQutPODPqNys28ohtGQsKCBammKmUeed2dzE2jomuPeTwqvziIIyegpYzuChRFofP1Kc xV5g== et7mr14362066obb.10.1383966779366; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rl1sm11202055oeb.7.2013.11.08.19.12.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:12:57 -0600 References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have Harry's lap timer but I can't work out a way to use it in my race car. There's enough to do on the grid that I don't want to fool with it, so I've tried to start it before I drive to the grid -- but there never is any data on it when I check it after the session. If you can mount it and remember to start it (or even better, have an assistant deal with it) it ought to give you plenty of information including your speed through various segments of a track. Duncan On Nov 8, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a > stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. > > All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my > purposes. > > Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or less, > like Bestlap on Ebay? > > Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 20:39:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5112D43201 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:39:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy12-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C29F6403ED for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:30:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29699 invoked by uid 0); 9 Nov 2013 03:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy12.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2013 03:28:02 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=65102 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VezDO-0000ha-6E; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:28:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:27:56 -0600 To: "Robert M. Lang" From: Tony Drews References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net See the original message from one of the other Tony's on the list. He experienced a failure and is aware of 6 or 7 other failures. Steering failure is not something I care to experience. It sounds like going to full lock is not a great idea with those. The only time I go to full lock is backing out of the garage and I think I get tire interference before I hit the limit of the (stock) rack. Tony D At 07:38 PM 11/8/2013, Robert M. Lang wrote: >Hi - as a member of the "unwashed", it would be good to know what is >so "bad" about the quickracks out there. I've had one on my race car >since 2007 and it works fine. No problems, knock wood. And a lot >better than the one I took out which had a problem with an inner tie rod end. > >So, what's the deal. Is there more than anecdotal evidence that the >quick racks have issues or is this just an effort to drum support >for a run of racks from another supplier? > >regards, >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >Former NER Solo Chair | >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 21:12:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5032D431AA for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:12:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAA24006F for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:45:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [65.29.157.118] ([65.29.157.118:43970] helo=[10.0.1.63]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 22/00-27821-B7EAD725; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 03:39:40 +0000 From: Allen Washatko To: John Hasty Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:39:39 -0600 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FoT, I bought a Moss quick ratio steering rack for my TR6 in 2007. 20 minutes after installing it, I heard a metallic sound and then parts landing on the floor of the garage. Upon inspection I found that the cap/grease plug and spring had released themselves from the rack & pinion housing! I quickly returned the rack to Moss with a full explanation of what happened. Still running the original rack. Allen On Nov 8, 2013, at 8:29 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Who else has them other than Moss? The only one I have found for a > 3A has > regular ratio not quick. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 8, 2013, at 8:38 PM, "Robert M. Lang" > wrote: > >> Hi - as a member of the "unwashed", it would be good to know what >> is so > "bad" about the quickracks out there. I've had one on my race car > since 2007 > and it works fine. No problems, knock wood. And a lot better than > the one I > took out which had a problem with an inner tie rod end. >> >> So, what's the deal. Is there more than anecdotal evidence that the >> quick > racks have issues or is this just an effort to drum support for a > run of racks > from another supplier? >> >> regards, >> rml >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >> Former NER Solo Chair | >> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko@wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 21:59:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14DA4321B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:59:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7740242F21 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2013 04:42:27 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.246] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2013 04:42:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2013 04:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25527 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2013 04:42:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383972146; bh=gJcKXTq4dWTlW/7rwxBPCQF8M6vAO3O7yoWDgJ7nMMM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2VJGB7LQk3Ca7ZL2HZEHyWfBdXt0Qpm08hVDoru84r3yjjqgDFq776PYwtwdX49kF1Hy0SMxJGcacRJFpGDirVZ0pYX8cGNdSG7XyaDmvUlBSxHqHwyqB8Z+A4qmoH18jx1rzxMuF68ke/yOE7ZDlmkEX9ZLlEl0O2TS4Qmhtfo= s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X/4eoyoPftw6i05gD/BdBcHyJ51iruJ6bZ5pow43MNbOuI2r/c/+1/Gie9iZS8dYQ/k/wZThWUclCqEsEYktTC5CmksU6ufM7d6FOZAEnzr5SNEcQHOxKsa9/2gSRxJ1kz2LRYCb/xUMlsrQ4fY43x+kHDE5hIKWTH3FLBFhuWY=; RVtc_VxPkqpxEISp8by.QrOkShusoDMvmYGub5uurkYdaQTRTO7ofDDUxXYH X.SDfZNT27lorKln08Q0btRbBNIPyk.CvqxjP_igir53FQEExaTfi2r1Of77 gVBhDpWpsq1z7B1OOLNRHit65AkMLqMRa8V9jVFqzEOhcFekE6CsVKwu7P52 P.Nn6BE7Oc_y366gKDBbsa0BXwoNbx3FbUVgk1NEvMeS3IzNAD4TX9dF1Mtd AYiqKfrevq1MgxfpIrqW_oheFvwYXfsjqPzf_XOFetdEEhdYz5udpH2c1zZ2 PCvRF7Jcg2OViheHWfgKS57GmJ7XmUFGlsQSHqE94UMEOMvMKgYyDlXk7bYf 2hXnR7zYI9yRYVHGdpzQk_jmJ0XvVsnqPDOYcYo_Nz3kvPkjC2z6hQAfEsZm .ktc6DnClWiSB28gZ_HztNujov5t_O3jbiq7tu6RCjGmNwn.JAsY4cIemDqn smECqanHINfTSJINoUm4sGCgB.MzpP811.YWcHqOwQWgKB9ujx8szjew08Ka mQicYPSt0NdfyA8h6cepd7OFsK_H8lhnk1qy1oGejiARYFFx0OrnXhXdOMr3 Wit7291IiYsuU6DEPlCB6g_ztjqpLRZVo5VaujS_PHGrVbf_GG9mmfNZUfhl 7RZdQ0A-- Received: from [99.71.118.129] by web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:42:25 PST R3JvdXA6CldoZW4gSSB3YXMgcGxhY2luZyBteSB3ZWVrbHkgb3JkZXIgd2l0aCBNb3NzIHRvZGF5IEkgYXNrZWQgbXnCoHJlcCBpZiBoZSBoYWQgYW55IGluZm8gb24gdGhlIHJhY2tzLiBIZSBjaGVja2VkIHRoZSBzeXN0ZW0gYW5kIHByaW9yIHRvIHRvZGF5IGFsbCB0aGV5IGhhZCB3YXMgYSBub3RlIHRvIHRoZSBlZmZlY3QgdGhhdCB0aGV5IGhhZCBmYWlsdXJlcyBpbiByYWNpbmcgYXBwbGljYXRpb25zIGJ1dCB0aGF0IHRoZXkgc2hvdWxkIGJlIG9rYXkgZm9yIHJvYWQgdXNlLgpJIG5vdGUgaGFkIGJlZW4BMAEBAQE- References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> <20131109033930.1E7C9430A2@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Tony Drews , "Robert M. Lang" Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Group: When I was placing my weekly order with Moss today I asked my rep if he had any info on the racks. He checked the system and prior to today all they had was a note to the effect that they had failures in racing applications but that they should be okay for road use. I note had been added at some time today noting general failures, and the racks were put on hold. Perhaps Kelvin saw the FOT thread and brought it to Moss' attention. -Ed- ________________________________ From: Tony Drews To: Robert M. Lang Cc: FOT List Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks See the original message from one of the other Tony's on the list. He experienced a failure and is aware of 6 or 7 other failures. Steering failure is not something I care to experience. It sounds like going to full lock is not a great idea with those. The only time I go to full lock is backing out of the garage and I think I get tire interference before I hit the limit of the (stock) rack. Tony D At 07:38 PM 11/8/2013, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi - as a member of the "unwashed", it would be good to know what is so "bad" about the quickracks out there. I've had one on my race car since 2007 and it works fine. No problems, knock wood. And a lot better than the one I took out which had a problem with an inner tie rod end. > > So, what's the deal. Is there more than anecdotal evidence that the quick racks have issues or is this just an effort to drum support for a run of racks from another supplier? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 22:19:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC5D431AA for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 22:19:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com (mail-pb0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D062C42F21 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id rq2so115269pbb.34 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:56:16 -0800 (PST) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=uS/2vdeSIgLYVuKegJhAxZS81Doc0eOIxkg82Tn+WYY=; b=XJiLPTo25mt1GEgJIBm/YNvvEPiZTNmErL2OrJCowbY2eM5VihbkH8afGC3d9eEFm0 zG2nd5NDW3ZzwMgb/Xp2611Kb1jA0BBWONrqcVspmQlUJ1XakPy34oAf/TOTEqsWBoIf gK5iyG6Zu3SSNbeVwI/xLXa+0/oO0Nfw7CvWV4x3x7iDXILm1XKLtiY27tj+aXGZ10cV j1iBWtw/y6rC9mk/zypkEuKJTgDSkUy9GZ7qMU4o7wG28KN/LXvSnqd3roR3GTiUcT9e moeQHKF14PWd/8LtUek/a4biXPnw95JrddU2eqp7wW06O9dIXQm1ckOw33arnAHr90+H 6DEA== is9mr18465961pbc.75.1383972636064; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.209.20.215] (mobile-198-228-209-156.mycingular.net. [198.228.209.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oj6sm18583804pab.9.2013.11.08.20.50.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Vaden Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:49:37 -0800 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> To: TR4 Tony Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had the quick ratio rack fail also. it was 2009 at cal speedway. I was turning left off the oval and i heard a noise and then I had no steering. Really scary. Here is some in car video that shows it happening. http://vimeo.com/3591635 . Fast forward to the end if the video to see it happen .The tube separated from the housing. I machined in a pin on my current rack which Should hopefully prevent this from happening again. > On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:59 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > > All > > I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 > steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the Tests, > costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. People > could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety > matters hence my email to this group. > > 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the rack > tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack has > nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite > directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine and > which I was lucky to walk away from. > > 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the rack > preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control > and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open to > the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused > because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just spins > itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design and > manufacturing. > > I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky > to survive unscathed. > > The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow holes > evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > control. > > 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not > cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and again > is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which > we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, > however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy themselves > of their safety in use. > > I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will replace > it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in use. > > Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > response. > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 02:42:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A0940408 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 02:42:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7274E40405 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 02:38:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.183.59.157] (82.132.247.230) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 527CFA700018C754; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:36:22 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> From: TR4 Tony Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:41 +0000 To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Robert The facts are that I know nothing of the quick racks that you guys have over there - all I can so is tell you my experience with the racks in the UK (so probably Europe too). That's why I said check and satisfy yourself, talk to your supplier etc. if YOU feel that YOU ought to. Given what I know I'm not comfortable to use any rack that is 'made in Argentina', but that's my personal opinion and position. I don't want anyone getting maimed or killed because I didn't pass the info. on, which is my only motivation in this. If you want to email me offline on this please do so. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Nov 2013, at 01:38, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > > > Hi - as a member of the "unwashed", it would be good to know what is so "bad" about the quickracks out there. I've had one on my race car since 2007 and it works fine. No problems, knock wood. And a lot better than the one I took out which had a problem with an inner tie rod end. > > So, what's the deal. Is there more than anecdotal evidence that the quick racks have issues or is this just an effort to drum support for a run of racks from another supplier? > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 02:42:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C06040518 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 02:42:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B89040405 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 02:38:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.183.59.157] (82.132.247.230) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 527CFA700018C82B; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:36:29 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> From: TR4 Tony Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:37 +0000 To: Tony Drews Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Tony I'm afraid I'd be very doubtful of it personally, although clearly I have no knowledge of what exactly you have- you need to check it carefully. The issues are; The tube pulls out if the pinion housing The pinion nut falls off The threads on the track rod ends aren't always machined properly I suggest you check with MOSS - I learned yesterday that MOSS Europe have 'frozen' sales of racks in the UK - I'm not sure what that means exactly, but they have agreed to meet with me to discuss my problem at least. Meanwhile I'm using a modified rack before the Titan parts arrive - I will not countenance a rack as supplied by MOSS for fear of our and others safety. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Nov 2013, at 19:08, Tony Drews wrote: > > FYI - I've got a Moss Quick Rack that I was planning to install this winter - says "Made in Argentina" clearly on the sticker on it. Guess I'll stick with the old stock one that's in the TR4. > > Tony Drews > > At 08:08 AM 11/7/2013, TR4 Tony wrote: >> Chuck >> >> I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have first >> hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any 'Made >> in Argentina'. >> >> Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks made now >> with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you contact >> Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be running >> one of the first when they arrive. >> >> Regards >> >> Tony >> >> Regards >> >> Tony >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON wrote: >>> >>> Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they >> claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a >> Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. >> If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see >> exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net >>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 >>>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>>> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks >>>> >>>> All >>>> >>>> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction >> TR4 >>>> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. >>>> >>>> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the >> Tests, >>>> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. >> People >>>> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. >>>> >>>> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious >> safety >>>> matters hence my email to this group. >>>> >>>> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined >>>> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the >> rack >>>> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack >> has >>>> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in >> opposite >>>> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of >>>> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. >>>> >>>> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine >> and >>>> which I was lucky to walk away from. >>>> >>>> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the >> rack >>>> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of >> control >>>> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's >> open to >>>> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and >> caused >>>> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just >> spins >>>> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design >> and >>>> manufacturing. >>>> >>>> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were >> lucky >>>> to survive unscathed. >>>> >>>> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow >> holes >>>> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality >>>> control. >>>> >>>> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are >> not >>>> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and >> again >>>> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. >>>> >>>> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix >> (which >>>> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for >> purpose, >>>> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in >>>> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy >> themselves >>>> of their safety in use. >>>> >>>> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will >> replace >>>> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in >> use. >>>> >>>> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their >>>> response. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 07:24:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB354044C for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 07:24:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD5040446 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 07:12:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS47 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 9 Nov 2013 06:09:15 -0800 From: Marty To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Robert M. Lang'" References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:09:16 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIm1CSP2+A2YAhNLawvzJTqsxmzMgLpyL7gAwW+8MkCivulrwKKV8DOAtO2gbSY/jwnoA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[46131F20:01CEDD55] Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net A few years ago Vicky Brits had them on sale at the end of the year so I purchased one for my TR250 build. It is still in a box on the shelf in the shop. I'll have to pull it out and see if it says where it is made. I can't imagine there are a bunch of different suppliers making these. Marty -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 9:29 PM To: Robert M. Lang Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Who else has them other than Moss? The only one I have found for a 3A has regular ratio not quick. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 09:43:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AE94054B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:43:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A693403FA for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kp14so3555428pab.29 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:38:59 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=tywgZR+Qwc+J4YuKzM3S6q5msrhZsdrCiAZ+L0Q0zN4=; b=EH9SFgeXMbDUgzkoppFgL9xxmdqg8ehRf/Do1KXs6MNtBGpXOwP4FlpIh3t03XlC13 KHjdXeG88MlFccISmoEvHB/ADA87pJFoIGULb++Zc37iqq5GxBOxht/5gLgvhB96HevX La51lKySVJtdfNrup8lDiVZaelnSR9BTptvLwdvzflcz5XE1cNh/4A2mEVEz8nunH3XR e8MXTpirqCmPW3qIk1T7PmNOhDH5ZDMb15Wi81cvKtgCdDROkRXe386j9XYbBJhWXkIf /nIBVerV6CGtshNI0zFWenAE5D3c+7fEbkX4d76AXkAl5JmsBzTbeeJjsb93hRJx5hMs QWtw== xr3mr980677pbc.182.1384015138773; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gh3sm19578132pbb.2.2013.11.09.08.38.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 06:38:55 -1000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> To: Marty Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks so much for the heads up, one of the reasons forums like this are so valuable. I have one of those racks in my TR3 build. Ill be checking it our carefully. On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:09 AM, Marty wrote: > A few years ago Vicky Brits had them on sale at the end of the year so I > purchased one for my TR250 build. It is still in a box on the shelf in the > shop. I'll have to pull it out and see if it says where it is made. I can't > imagine there are a bunch of different suppliers making these. > > Marty > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Hasty > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 9:29 PM > To: Robert M. Lang > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > Who else has them other than Moss? The only one I have found for a 3A has > regular ratio not quick. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 10:15:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0003640512 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:15:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f44.google.com (mail-qe0-f44.google.com [209.85.128.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F7140510 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:00:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 6so3164011qeb.3 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:58:19 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GEO1wbix1O1EpdMtP1qn0Ihxui7fI825WZOO3lddov8=; b=G6FODS6CbPJuBgUuAuIyINVWnE2+5losPOXICjYDohc8x0b8UpRHA4mGgJ3IuJ4Z0h Vsa0sKgnFsvcbUDbhjTU7k3/sUGd41wd9mv3k265m1jSw0XxykfQT3AbNgBi0U1y/bYP /B8x9/T9lhtRFbMOuwtzkFZVW5HDCmdG+uZdUzev2evuyOxvBjHmPi1B/oCRFvuImYBq gZYgopGDB6k70jF76eX18uH9bYYCyksWiorKGmytomifETKJRT/ZLsFvTiS0ME/dgIv5 zpAHS3mJChZZLtE3STTTVwUP1wTTgGVC1yQreDOkh0UaeI5L3YBPIWRE4u0WYBDY/Q2w Gzdg== w9mr3358336qab.103.1384016299201; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e39sm24580016yhq.15.2013.11.09.08.58.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:58:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 09:58:16 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/9/13, 9:38 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Thanks so much for the heads up, one of the reasons forums like this are so > valuable. I have one of those racks in my TR3 build. Ill be checking it our > carefully. > The question is the rack on the TR3 rack and pinion conversion the same as the quick ratio rack for the TR4? The TR4 quick ratio rack does not fit the early TR4's & I wonder if a different rack was used on the TR3 kit. I think I remember reading a few years back that the rack used on the TR3 conversion came from a different British car. Mini? Either way the Moss is selling the quick steering rack as their only TR4 & 4A replacement rack to all TR owners. Not all the non racing TR4s are garage queens. The Roadster factory doesn't sell an aftermarket rack. They rebuild the stock one. Come Monday I'm going to be asking Moss folks questions about the TR3 conversion kit. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 10:50:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240CA40512 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:50:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A897540510 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.250.241.24] (116.sub-174-228-65.myvzw.com [174.228.65.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rA9Hcxri017893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:39:00 -0500 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> <527E69A8.6000508@gmail.com> From: John Hasty Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:38:56 -0500 To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" a=6qbzpQhEmz4WpnEBje8wyA==:17 a=UjzjxXcoAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=LX6l3lbeMFcA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=TIpwmBXSS6kA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ZA1KP09CozBzKzdAM6QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I got a 3 rack kit about 2 yrs ago from a shop in Roanoke VA and it was from an early model Mini. It is not "quick". Checked it yesterday and it looks fine. I understand it was sourced from Argentina but not the same source as Moss' Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > On 11/9/13, 9:38 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: >> Thanks so much for the heads up, one of the reasons forums like this are so >> valuable. I have one of those racks in my TR3 build. Ill be checking it our >> carefully. > The question is the rack on the TR3 rack and pinion conversion the same as the quick ratio rack for the TR4? > > The TR4 quick ratio rack does not fit the early TR4's & I wonder if a different rack was used on the TR3 kit. I think I remember reading a few years back that the rack used on the TR3 conversion came from a different British car. Mini? > > Either way the Moss is selling the quick steering rack as their only TR4 & 4A replacement rack to all TR owners. Not all the non racing TR4s are garage queens. The Roadster factory doesn't sell an aftermarket rack. They rebuild the stock one. > > Come Monday I'm going to be asking Moss folks questions about the TR3 conversion kit. > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 11:19:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0C54055D for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 11:19:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05287403E3 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:35:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id u16so1159153iet.24 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:33:16 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from :date:content-type:mime-version; bh=/VMqiKnVuUEL2thyxIAJUckOJzqCy9ALwaEX19xHPd8=; b=bTMSozH8n3HhpST3jDd9sZGX69u/7fQDt3IdIC+YqZmbv+pr1VUQTo27FncbT1yl2R chgyoxYBjgWJYsvBmAaC1kgtFPFesBJpGZaCGcLaIPLWKyEtC4SgxLAnpEtSwoWhThsd FxExCRkEQM6/gLgxD2HfTr82ztIseQ1OeYvhRCkzXeF4Tp2evH3zNzX142p3yUnh0R15 iaMU1CJw6u6DMm6Z3wfb0ZY5hKt3A+AYDza8KYuG4inUvFUfJudluFMpT5h2qPHL/4Gp fe9y3LMRnO7yR4AhIuiPoyLZUbDUGSCSAIx10h7M6UW7OFKzw4tIonIn1cQ86RrZXacw k+wA== Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c14sm2339999ign.0.2013.11.08.16.33.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:33:14 -0800 (PST) References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Hasty" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"Bill Babcock" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 00:33:11 +0000 Cc: FoT Triumph , Scott Janzen Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Seeing a fast time AS you pass a timing strip has more merit. You know IMMEDIATLY if what you just did worked. Lots of ways to do it... Good thread. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Bill Babcock Cc: Scott Janzen; FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Gee, don't your sanction bodies furnish time sheets after each session? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data > collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone > camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. > On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in > your car to watch ... Bobby >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Scott Janzen >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices >> >> >> I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a >> stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. >> >> All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my >> purposes. >> >> Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or > less, >> like Bestlap on Ebay? >> >> Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 11:19:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D2E42761 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 11:19:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B9C42ADC for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ar20so4602090iec.12 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:39:17 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:cc:from :date:content-type:mime-version; bh=s6/ryFEp5H9Gb/FeskZyAip0zYLmsNCvj5qGW6xqMcI=; b=TGu3Q7wdMmEXuOrixS/bFbbb0IAMO/xlD5J0ZqonOKt/XBZPnVz6upseFk138l8f7x lFzZuEtu9CFppWQSKC9zLyJvtxnnJtdjIFpRwU4TxcvJkAGvHfYP/qW/r44QapvT3DWZ bCi61U0IQWrPODzGcQSZLQFIfAg4/5QB6c81m/k9OeOGzWfkVLV01uQJ/yHYBAQ0Y9MF 6QsXT8tBzLJMxyjPLoAD+0I6DE3eF4XsWuj3oDSDpiz0Ahwblvx4Gg4Uc4lpuM7zzKOF G/SJny0NralDB8Yux01iBlM0uqT+Z3GWmoot+zamQqfd9Be0dQ7GG7nMm/K4HrE69HlI txjA== Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm6060811igj.10.2013.11.08.17.32.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:32:09 -0800 (PST) References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <890713269-1383957193-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1155651849-@b27.c3.bise6.blackberry> Sensitivity: Normal To: "John Hasty" ,fot-bounces@autox.team.net,"Bill Babcock" From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 01:32:05 +0000 Cc: FoT Triumph , Scott Janzen Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Back when I was (even crazier) and racing go-karts... (Very seriously) In the pre digital era. I had as many as 3 stop watches mounted on the kart. I used them constantly. Measuring; Gaps, lap times, times of me vs. Competitors from point to point. Times from point to point tell great secrets! NFI in vintage stop watches. Actually, that's not true. I collect vintage stop watches. And sell antiques and cool vintage what-nots to support my family and my racing addiction. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jason@multivintage.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 00:33:11 To: John Hasty; ; Bill Babcock Cc: Scott Janzen; FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Seeing a fast time AS you pass a timing strip has more merit. You know IMMEDIATLY if what you just did worked. Lots of ways to do it... Good thread. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty To: Bill Babcock Cc: Scott Janzen; FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Gee, don't your sanction bodies furnish time sheets after each session? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data > collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone > camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. > On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in > your car to watch ... Bobby >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Scott Janzen >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices >> >> >> I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a >> stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. >> >> All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my >> purposes. >> >> Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or > less, >> like Bestlap on Ebay? >> >> Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 12:38:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1EE4281B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:38:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C81540514 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:32:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host-4.home (pool-108-2-197-133.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.2.197.133]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW00099CGU3LO60@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 19:30:05 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-09_02:2013-11-09,2013-11-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311090164 From: Scott Janzen Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:30:05 -0500 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR4 Pinion bearing assembly question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I got my Southwick-converted axle back and am now at reassembly stage. I had pulled the pinion assembly before I sent it off because the seal was shot, and got new bearings because the old ones look tired. So, I'm reading the manual and am puzzled. The manual calls for use of dummy pinion tool M84 to determine the thickness of the shim pack between the outer bearing race and the axle housing (there were shims there when I knocked out the old race, too). In addition, there are shims between the tail bearing and the bearing spacer on the shaft, adjusting the spacing in between the inner bearing races. Question - why is the outer race shimmed at the housing, and why is this dimension important? I would think the bearing pre-load could be adjusted entirely with the shims on the shaft? If this is to position the pinion correctly fore/aft so that it lands correctly relative to the crown gear, I wouldn't think a few thou would make a difference. What am I missing, and is there a way to do this without tool M84? I can, of course, just re-assemble it with the same number of shims that were in there before, but with variations between the old and new bearings, I have no idea if this will result in the same spacing. Insights? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 13:05:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB5143196 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 13:05:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7840517 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A45CA1C86 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:47:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 12:47:12 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph References: <3DFFB476-276C-4F50-AC10-1DFB9AF12352@me.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Pinion bearing assembly question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott Janzen wrote: > Question - why is the outer race shimmed at the housing, and why is this > dimension important? I would think the bearing pre-load could be adjusted > entirely with the shims on the shaft? If this is to position the pinion > correctly fore/aft so that it lands correctly relative to the crown gear, I > wouldn't think a few thou would make a difference. > Actually I think something like 10 thou will the contact patch on the crown wheel about half an inch. So yes, a few thou does indeed make a difference. I reassemble using the shims as they were, then check contact. Adjust the crown wheel left or right as needed, then reshim the pinion as needed. The official tool would probably reduce the number of trials by 2 or 3, but I don't have one. Oh well. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 14:27:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA01D40414 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:27:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C24240517 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host-4.home (pool-108-2-197-133.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [108.2.197.133]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW000HK8LS7RS90@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:16:57 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-09_02:2013-11-09,2013-11-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=11 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311090191 From: Scott Janzen Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:16:54 -0500 References: <3DFFB476-276C-4F50-AC10-1DFB9AF12352@me.com> <527E9140.9050205@bradakis.com> To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Pinion bearing assembly question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net thanks - FOT comes through again. Makes sense. So, how about bearing preload at 15 inch/lbs? Can I do this by feel, or should I hang a one pound weight off the end of a 15" breaker bar? Hmm, I guess I know the correct answer to that. On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: Scott Janzen wrote: > Question - why is the outer race shimmed at the housing, and why is this > dimension important? I would think the bearing pre-load could be adjusted > entirely with the shims on the shaft? If this is to position the pinion > correctly fore/aft so that it lands correctly relative to the crown gear, I > wouldn't think a few thou would make a difference. > Actually I think something like 10 thou will the contact patch on the crown wheel about half an inch. So yes, a few thou does indeed make a difference. I reassemble using the shims as they were, then check contact. Adjust the crown wheel left or right as needed, then reshim the pinion as needed. The official tool would probably reduce the number of trials by 2 or 3, but I don't have one. Oh well. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 16:16:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1B74040F for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 16:16:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B07A4040D for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 16:04:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 205187000439E for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 18:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id C3D1DE000084 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 18:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 17:02:08 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384038134; bh=3/Zqh84jegRJhsk2Tf/yDMldcfJsw8EIhZXAE5ZTBmU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=VQtp7F1oEQhhdW3CHSdVxWpMJgZbYjq5Gok4nn/rI9F9NGPyGcJDm+dXw2YoVH/c0 ujEuL8tujXl2U2wAvKgAmGH9FYxx5wp4xczF4leFCiqvnBZaT59otvTLtE+isBNhWs uGR82n5wjAgoKQZzaoSGFnk7XP7pQGCrpjM4lFLc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903527ebef575c3 Subject: [Fot] Commercial Content. 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Gasketinnovations.com Thanks, Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 9 17:02:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3448640518 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 17:02:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B724040D for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 16:58:09 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=FYEdB7fFsWkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1DOyjJ8MmSQA:10 a=zRxP1OAGk3uUWKxOEcIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 01/F9-00722-88BCE725; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 23:55:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 15:55:56 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7dgwx4ZDfhT25lSlaWJz3zJauPSgAIpdQQ Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Pinion bearing assembly question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > Question - why is the outer race shimmed at the housing, Stronger that way. > If this is to position the pinion > correctly fore/aft so that it lands correctly relative to the > crown gear, I > wouldn't think a few thou would make a difference. It's the shims next to the pinion gear that set the gear position, and a few thou does make a big difference. > but with variations between the old and new > bearings, I have no > idea if this will result in the same spacing. Reassemble the bearings you removed, measure the thickness, compare to the new ones. Normally they will be exactly the same thickness (but not always). I don't have the fancy tools, so I used a Formica countertop as a surface plate, and a digital caliper with a depth attachment to measure the height through the center of the bearing. The "Made in India" carrier bearings weren't even the same as each other, so I pitched them and bought some good Timken that match the old ones exactly (within the accuracy of my measuring setup). Chances are that you won't want to reuse the old shims, they almost always get damaged during the removal process. It doesn't seem like a crease or two would make a difference, but it does. After you think it's right, check the contact pattern. 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[72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm726988pas.10.2013.11.10.12.08.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2013 12:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:08:40 -1000 References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20131109181914.62BF040510@autox.team.net> <003601cede4f$404aa720$c0dff560$@com> <6D368602-9B2F-408E-B539-E7152CCEB6FE@bnj.com> To: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > know that lots of folks believe in seat of the pants and seeing what everyone is doing around them. Unfortunately most human seat of the pants measurements have a deadband of about 10 percent, which makes it fundamentally worthless. If you want to improve you need some good dataas good as you can get. If you dont care, then you dont. > > People tend to try to improve everywhere at once, while getting corner data helps you improve one corner at a time. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 15:48:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4126542F3E for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:48:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s12.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s12.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C6A40401 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W53 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:26:41 -0800 From: Chuck WATSON To: FOT List , Scott Janzen , Steve Smith Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 16:26:41 -0500 FILETIME=[8C2AF9E0:01CEDE5B] Subject: [Fot] TR6 Trans on a GT6: Follow up Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends: Making progress figuring this out and finding parts. Need a bit more guidance though. The GT6 trans uses a pilot bushing that resides in the end of the crank. The TR6 trans uses a pilot bushing located in the flywheel which accommodates the shorter pilot shaft. I know that some of you have made longer pilot bushes to re-use the GT6 crank version. Question: I am planning on replacing my stock flywheel with a lighter one anyway, so would I be better off using a TR6 flywheel with the needed pilot bushing? I am assuming it will bolt onto the GT6 crank - but not sure as I don't have one to look at. It seems like using the TR6 flywheel would then make clutch and bearing fitment a little easier too. Comments or advice? Thanks, Chuck Watson _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 10 18:49:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC67142F4D for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:49:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A14842F35 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:40:03 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=gG5DQpUNAaww/Kr6tJL+rA==:17 a=zgvILx03LV0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Nj14fIqTvhkA:10 a=HEY4i7qBXM8D2Va5EssA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1LVF5sjyuhEA:10 a=ytKeVv3v030A:10 a=gG5DQpUNAaww/Kr6tJL+rA==:117 Received: from [70.112.94.250] ([70.112.94.250:61954] helo=[192.168.1.107]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 35/BC-09301-E4720825; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:39:43 +0000 From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:39:43 -0600 To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Online machine shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am going to have some clamp style swaybar end links made. Has anyone tried one of the online machine shop services available? Which one? Results? Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 08:27:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB7543190 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:27:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE9142FC0 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] ([76.99.29.73]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oFSi1m00N1aezes01FSjnH; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:26:44 -0700 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:26:43 -0500 To: FoT Triumph References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, some of these iPhone apps are amazing, especially when sync'd with the video. Cheap, too. I just have to figure out a secure way to mount one in an open car with no windshield, where i can see the timing data on the screen while I'm driving. think I'm going to go with Harry's lap timer - gives lap times, point speeds, comparisons to benchmark laps, records estimated RPM (based on vehicle data), has track data already in the software for virtually every track, and much more. I'll report back after I use it at Summit Point in a few weeks. http://www.gps-laptimer.de/Home.html On Nov 8, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in your car to watch ... Bobby > > > > ________________________________ > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM > Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices > > > I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a > stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. > > All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my > purposes. > > Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or less, > like Bestlap on Ebay? > > Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 09:28:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E0C43202 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:28:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com (mail-pb0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6654309F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:27:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id xb12so1334855pbc.23 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:27:00 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=1GGCE6s97MRhnY6++xDZvpXdx4zUSbUjQ2bCdiI2iYk=; b=IMgkLSZRsxGfHrlC10ZAlrs8WUksFEnGTeQXMnPVvo2fW8mLcFYPYNbje+qXfwj1B3 69ZRR7WFlzJwHTDLLrjvi/vgfTbqhUP/24wjJcUXfvGLQLOF5VTMU1iy6iXrzKbxvDcA 8v6cXYZYM71Xe4DNP8QhJ8pCokmCHeU7pPWoy+L3hhqJdsf1OqEs6NhVWaUh5BdmGIeh Zzb1eemcmIC7ixOypZAAu41A2L40CO9zGrAlZTdxGKsbcE9S8DHYwbTor6ni64JPtGNP VG6P1oAwBjFfAjqLVNLpn3dIGjRNLlPWeVAbQdFtS2FBZFyHFgcQQNzu3SwnMw/75jtX eT/A== lr4mr3012848pab.164.1384187220063; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pu5sm37082843pac.21.2013.11.11.08.26.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:26:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:26:56 -1000 References: <748905DF-F63E-4AE9-AE2D-96F742DD7C27@REcatalyst.com> <1383950150.6954.YahooMailNeo@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Scott Janzen Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Lap timing devices Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a hard case that holds my iPhone and uses the GoPro mounts (as well as a tripod mount). The GoPro mount opens the door to all kinds of amounting schemes, Unfortunately it wont hold my phone when its in a lifeproof case, so I dont use it as often as I otherwise would. Trackaddict is pretty amazing. Does a better job of indicating braking points and corner speeds than my thousand buck pain in the butt system ever did. On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:26 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Wow, some of these iPhone apps are amazing, especially when sync'd with the > video. Cheap, too. I just have to figure out a secure way to mount one in an > open car with no windshield, where i can see the timing data on the screen > while I'm driving. > > think I'm going to go with Harry's lap timer - gives lap times, point speeds, > comparisons to benchmark laps, records estimated RPM (based on vehicle data), > has track data already in the software for virtually every track, and much > more. I'll report back after I use it at Summit Point in a few weeks. > http://www.gps-laptimer.de/Home.html > > On Nov 8, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > Speedtracker does a lot more than replace a watch. It replaces a data > collection system I spent a thousand bucks on and syncs video from the iPhone > camera at the same time. Works REALLY well. > On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> there is an app for that on my iPhone ... Speed Tracker.... just mount in > your car to watch ... Bobby >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Scott Janzen >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 3:11 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Lap timing devices >> >> >> I'm looking for a cheap, easy way to get some lap times - excluding a >> stopwatch, as that requires someone trackside to use it. >> >> All the name brands seem to cost several hundred bucks - too much for my >> purposes. >> >> Anyone have any experience with the cheap infrared ones that are $60 or > less, >> like Bestlap on Ebay? >> >> Alternately, how about Harry's lap timer for the iPhone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 12:36:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D7D4355D for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:36:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s10.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s10.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.85]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E1E4355D for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU179-W3 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:34:19 -0800 From: Jeff Clark To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:34:19 -0500 FILETIME=[04457090:01CEDF15] Subject: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods crank,flywheel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 12:47:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8CA435B8 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:47:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C7443578 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:45:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU179-W7 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:45:21 -0800 From: Jeff Clark To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:45:21 -0500 FILETIME=[8E9420B0:01CEDF16] Subject: [Fot] Clark Lincoln Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net if Clark Lincoln is on this forem please pm me at jsclark@live.ca Jeff Clark #56 GT6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 12:48:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD88435CD for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:48:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A7443578 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:48:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9A13A70047C41; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-doe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.73]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 59A58E00008D; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:47:55 -0500 (EST) References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> To: tr4.tony@virgin.net, fot@autox.team.net From: vandecarr@aol.com Received: from 24.190.176.198 by webmail-d272.sysops.aol.com (205.188.16.113) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:47:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:47:55 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384199275; bh=tk9i6NjCxhrGOT2D/enO8Nm9M/v4a6Nlwa5NadwSPrE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CXyqYY91sOHE8hElcqUytt0/a/gFQE5a8Bz+1rlE8/WiFVz9+mcJaAyusJbdzCrGZ dMD139i5/bH2h+tb8rsm/YlMhoTLNVcMHEQSedtsYznzwgpcKTSV+SoH9pQ2DjNDKZ Nh7bySBxls5VINRCVIbGW1ByqERc7Od+KwJdtcS0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb5281346b1a4a Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had my quick ratio rack fail when I hit a semi moveable object at an autocross. I didn't hit that hard and I loss all steering. I fabricated a steel retainer to hold the pinion adjusting nut in place. Haven't had any trouble since then. If anyone is using this rack in a track situation I'd recommend doing the same. Dean VanDeCarr -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: fot Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:00 am Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks All I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the Tests, costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. People could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety matters hence my email to this group. 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the rack tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack has nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine and which I was lucky to walk away from. 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the rack preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open to the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just spins itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design and manufacturing. I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky to survive unscathed. The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow holes evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality control. 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and again is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy themselves of their safety in use. I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will replace it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in use. Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their response. Regards Tony _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 13:04:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E10435F4 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:04:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F4743566 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:01:33 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=QAjwgetJsvg87/qHwJ3WnQ==:17 a=cw2IfOG4yaoA:10 a=LX6l3lbeMFcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=TIpwmBXSS6kA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ZSfR1xyGe27KlmaoQbUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=wwau6fdZ1k0A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=QAjwgetJsvg87/qHwJ3WnQ==:117 Received: from [166.147.66.175] ([166.147.66.175:60381] helo=[10.215.138.228]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 38/B6-00722-48731825; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:01:09 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <8D0AD2E0CA1B013-F30-393EC@webmail-d272.sysops.aol.com> From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:01:07 -0600 To: "vandecarr@aol.com" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Can you post a photo to the Facebook page of your fix, or send me a private email? Thanks Greg > On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:47 PM, vandecarr@aol.com wrote: > > I had my quick ratio rack fail when I hit a semi moveable object at an > autocross. I didn't hit that hard and I loss all steering. I fabricated a > steel retainer to hold the pinion adjusting nut in place. Haven't had any > trouble since then. If anyone is using this rack in a track situation I'd > recommend doing the same. > > > Dean VanDeCarr > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TR4 Tony > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:00 am > Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > > All > > I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction TR4 > steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the > Tests, > costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. People > could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious safety > matters hence my email to this group. > > 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the > rack > tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack has > nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite > directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine > and > which I was lucky to walk away from. > > 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the rack > preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control > and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's open > to > the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and caused > because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just spins > itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design and > manufacturing. > > I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky > to survive unscathed. > > The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow holes > evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > control. > > 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are not > cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and again > is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which > we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for purpose, > however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy > themselves > of their safety in use. > > I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will > replace > it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in use. > > Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > response. > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 13:51:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167B6435B6 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:51:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5042C43582 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:46:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from vwm15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.45]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0MW400FVL9OVJHG0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FOT@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [67.83.138.143] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:46:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:46:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Redmond To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FoT, Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT Facebook page. Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. B Was just checking on others. Thanks Todd Redmond TS #29341 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 13:52:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E2D435F0 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:52:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8B043582 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:49:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS31 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:49:14 -0800 From: Marty To: "'Greg And Alison Blake'" , References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <8D0AD2E0CA1B013-F30-393EC@webmail-d272.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:49:14 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIm1CSP2+A2YAhNLawvzJTqsxmzMgL6ifNMAiMKePGZR6n7UA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[7B8977F0:01CEDF1F] Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Second. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg And Alison Blake Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01 PM To: vandecarr@aol.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Can you post a photo to the Facebook page of your fix, or send me a private email? Thanks Greg > On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:47 PM, vandecarr@aol.com wrote: > > I had my quick ratio rack fail when I hit a semi moveable object at an > autocross. I didn't hit that hard and I loss all steering. I > fabricated a steel retainer to hold the pinion adjusting nut in place. > Haven't had any trouble since then. If anyone is using this rack in a > track situation I'd recommend doing the same. > > > Dean VanDeCarr > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TR4 Tony > To: fot > Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:00 am > Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > > All > > I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction > TR4 steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of > the Tests, costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the > car or worse. People > could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious > safety matters hence my email to this group. > > 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or > machined scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left > hand lock the rack tube parts from the housing and control is lost. > This is because the rack has > nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in opposite > directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was > mine and which I was lucky to walk away from. > > 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows > the rack > preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of control > and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's > open to the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure > mode and caused because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails > and the nut just spins > itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, > design and > manufacturing. > > I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were lucky > to survive unscathed. > > The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with > blow holes > evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > control. > > 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack > are not cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to > recut and again > is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix (which > we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for > purpose, however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of > these 'Made in Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier > and satisfy themselves of their safety in use. > > I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will > replace it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to > be safe in use. > > Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting > their response. > > Regards > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vandecarr@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 14:02:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB471435B3 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E9443401 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW4000I2AFNUN00@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:02:13 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-11_03:2013-11-11,2013-11-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311110149 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:02:10 -0500 References: To: Jeff Clark Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So, you want me to tell you what's in my car so you can come out and beat me next time? Carillo rods Venolia pistons stock crank, balanced with all rotating assemblies and nitrided stock block and main bearing caps external oiling system to each main bearing a la Steve Smith and others, but none of the extra drilling of the crank oil passages. TR6 oil pump, stock. Aluminum flywheel with steel wear surface sourced from TSI years ago, with steel inserts added at the bolt holes. crank and flywheel drilled for an extra dowel pin. 12:1 compression (not much head left to machine) Valves and cam from Wishbone Classics- Valves have a very slender profile for good flow. Hardened seats, bronze guides, ported head (Wishbone Classics) Crank balancer - supposedly adapted from a Ford 6 cylinder truck damper by one of the major damper companies - I have the shop drawing somewhere if you want it. Revs freely to 7,000 and beyond. I take it there pretty much every shift, every lap. Dyno claims 178 HP - not sure I believe the dyno, but it's probably close, though it's a pretty steep slope on the chart to get there, i.e., a lot less power at 4,000 rpm. I'm generally at 60-70 PSI oil pressure at speed and 40 at idle, hot. Keep the bearing clearances tight. If you do all this you need to give up on the stock pressure plate and most importantly on the stock transmission. TR6 trans conversion has been trouble free for me. Lastly, this is probably a good time to upgrade the ignition, if you haven't already - I like the Advanced Distributor stuff. If you want to make an extra set of the rear hub bits I might be interested, and there's a guy who broke both of his (stock) hubs at Watkins Glen this fall who definitely will be. You should get Kas' (3rd?) book, which has as the last chapter a full write-up on the development of Chuck Gee's car. Some good info there. Have fun this winter! I guess I better work on some new headers this winter and a few other things to up my game for next year. See you at the track - rematch at Watkins Glen? Scott Janzen On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods crank,flywheel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 14:05:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E922434CB for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:05:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE75B43401 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW4000XMAJYRG00@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for FOT@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:04:49 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-11_03:2013-11-11,2013-11-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311110151 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:04:46 -0500 References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net> To: Todd Redmond Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curto On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: FoT, Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT Facebook page. Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. B Was just checking on others. Thanks Todd Redmond TS #29341 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 14:15:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1314D43604 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:15:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6DE4348D for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.230.60.199] (172.sub-174-237-35.myvzw.com [174.237.35.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rABLBfPD008623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:11:43 -0500 References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net> <42E9E792-081A-49D5-BC9E-BDD3D2230524@me.com> From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:11:39 -0500 To: Scott Janzen a=9FHDDomKhpephFQLdXyxDw==:17 a=UjzjxXcoAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=81dydnSywfQA:10 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=3Q0Tdzmtwb4NgPbfV5sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ditto Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Joe Curto > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 14:53:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8443607 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:53:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DFA435D5 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:53:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT146-W52 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:53:10 -0800 From: Sam Halkias To: John Hasty , Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:53:09 -0500 References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net>, <42E9E792-081A-49D5-BC9E-BDD3D2230524@me.com>, FILETIME=[6986A240:01CEDF28] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I strongly recommend Paltech. Check them out @ http://www.paltech1.com/id4.html He also does micro polishing, your carbs will look better than new! Sam Halkias > From: jhhasty@gdhs.com > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:11:39 -0500 > To: sjanzen@me.com > CC: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder > > Ditto > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > Joe Curto > > > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > > > > FoT, > > > > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > > Facebook page. > > > > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British > > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > > B Was just checking on others. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Todd Redmond > > TS #29341 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0443648 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:08:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550A3435D9 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU179-W67 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:40 -0800 From: Jeff Clark To: "sjanzen@me.com" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:02:40 -0500 References: , FILETIME=[BD805340:01CEDF29] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Scott and I don't want to beat you but I sure would like to race with you, next year Watkind Glen is a strong possibility Jeff Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft From: sjanzen@me.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:02:10 -0500 CC: fot@autox.team.net To: jsclark@live.ca So, you want me to tell you what's in my car so you can come out and beat me next time? Carillo rods Venolia pistons stock crank, balanced with all rotating assemblies and nitrided stock block and main bearing caps external oiling system to each main bearing a la Steve Smith and others, but none of the extra drilling of the crank oil passages. TR6 oil pump, stock. Aluminum flywheel with steel wear surface sourced from TSI years ago, with steel inserts added at the bolt holes. crank and flywheel drilled for an extra dowel pin. 12:1 compression (not much head left to machine) Valves and cam from Wishbone Classics- Valves have a very slender profile for good flow. Hardened seats, bronze guides, ported head (Wishbone Classics) Crank balancer - supposedly adapted from a Ford 6 cylinder truck damper by one of the major damper companies - I have the shop drawing somewhere if you want it. Revs freely to 7,000 and beyond. I take it there pretty much every shift, every lap. Dyno claims 178 HP - not sure I believe the dyno, but it's probably close, though it's a pretty steep slope on the chart to get there, i.e., a lot less power at 4,000 rpm. I'm generally at 60-70 PSI oil pressure at speed and 40 at idle, hot. Keep the bearing clearances tight. If you do all this you need to give up on the stock pressure plate and most importantly on the stock transmission. TR6 trans conversion has been trouble free for me. Lastly, this is probably a good time to upgrade the ignition, if you haven't already - I like the Advanced Distributor stuff. If you want to make an extra set of the rear hub bits I might be interested, and there's a guy who broke both of his (stock) hubs at Watkins Glen this fall who definitely will be. You should get Kas' (3rd?) book, which has as the last chapter a full write-up on the development of Chuck Gee's car. Some good info there. Have fun this winter! I guess I better work on some new headers this winter and a few other things to up my game for next year. See you at the track - rematch at Watkins Glen? Scott Janzen On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods crank,flywheel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:11:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E8243648 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:11:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com (h69-129-70-242.applwi.dedicated.static.tds.net [69.129.70.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E91435F1 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:11:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b]) by SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com ([fe80::6cde:eb6b:bc22:8b9b%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:09:40 -0600 From: "Barr, Scott" To: 'Jeff Clark' , "sjanzen@me.com" Thread-Topic: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Thread-Index: AQHO3xVN6Gpt9uyiUE+2buGdXqK+2pog6P0AgAAQ5wD//51EQA== Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:09:40 +0000 References: , Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.52] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net << I don't want to beat you >> Someone's pants are on fire ;-) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Clark Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:03 PM To: sjanzen@me.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Thanks Scott and I don't want to beat you but I sure would like to race with you, next year Watkind Glen is a strong possibility Jeff Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft From: sjanzen@me.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:02:10 -0500 CC: fot@autox.team.net To: jsclark@live.ca So, you want me to tell you what's in my car so you can come out and beat me next time? Carillo rods Venolia pistons stock crank, balanced with all rotating assemblies and nitrided stock block and main bearing caps external oiling system to each main bearing a la Steve Smith and others, but none of the extra drilling of the crank oil passages. TR6 oil pump, stock. Aluminum flywheel with steel wear surface sourced from TSI years ago, with steel inserts added at the bolt holes. crank and flywheel drilled for an extra dowel pin. 12:1 compression (not much head left to machine) Valves and cam from Wishbone Classics- Valves have a very slender profile for good flow. Hardened seats, bronze guides, ported head (Wishbone Classics) Crank balancer - supposedly adapted from a Ford 6 cylinder truck damper by one of the major damper companies - I have the shop drawing somewhere if you want it. Revs freely to 7,000 and beyond. I take it there pretty much every shift, every lap. Dyno claims 178 HP - not sure I believe the dyno, but it's probably close, though it's a pretty steep slope on the chart to get there, i.e., a lot less power at 4,000 rpm. I'm generally at 60-70 PSI oil pressure at speed and 40 at idle, hot. Keep the bearing clearances tight. If you do all this you need to give up on the stock pressure plate and most importantly on the stock transmission. TR6 trans conversion has been trouble free for me. Lastly, this is probably a good time to upgrade the ignition, if you haven't already - I like the Advanced Distributor stuff. If you want to make an extra set of the rear hub bits I might be interested, and there's a guy who broke both of his (stock) hubs at Watkins Glen this fall who definitely will be. You should get Kas' (3rd?) book, which has as the last chapter a full write-up on the development of Chuck Gee's car. Some good info there. Have fun this winter! I guess I better work on some new headers this winter and a few other things to up my game for next year. See you at the track - rematch at Watkins Glen? Scott Janzen On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods crank,flywheel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:12:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AEC4364F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:12:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE32943631 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oM1i1m0010lTkoCA2NBkcj; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:11:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([24.22.75.60]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oNBj1m00Q1J37AG8QNBk9V; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:11:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:11:39 -0800 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net> s=q20121106; t=1384207904; bh=JL84nAKvWeo1PFswPD+CZR+iuAow/XzHv1weNvCL3GI=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=JIo25XMgJvC4Y5PjP/ajq8mL2b6VTgUohIV+KHvI1p9ZT2rrGU+shwwuxL8U1Epi8 tL1AXwHMfl+Iw45Q/znry8le+BrBu9CbpBGCTnrhZC4AqMFfAcwpwXgmIGGj0qXvJE M5ri3KyyVyyCxFXiQmZhlTSoLjwHavkZ93bmJtsmjE7JV0hI0WEp/zqvmO6q1ZsGLC qnXS+/uILtpWK3Wuy6eHtMdcHnt5a5APkbn2EuizsLQZ7tQ+B5pAY8W0m3++zJaNL1 Ep1BFvazsfgeCqvRrI+dJ8l6E8T9r8IpiQJiNIm6CsqtNCPi/lFxNYsq4iR5e9EqaZ CHZGtauBDl6hQ== Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had Ray Marty, rebuild mine a couple of years ago and I'm very happy with the results. http://www.martyenterprisesoforegon.com/ Jim On 11/11/2013 12:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B > British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:36:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F39D4360F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:36:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FDD435E3 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MW4000JZEILZM80@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:30:24 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-11_04:2013-11-11,2013-11-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311110168 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:30:21 -0500 References: To: Jeff Clark Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net just kidding - any time there are more GT6s on the track it's a good thing. and, if you guys have any interest in fabricating more rear axle set-ups I suspect there would be a few customers! On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: Thanks Scott and I don't want to beat you but I sure would like to race with you, next year Watkind Glen is a strong possibility Jeff Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft From: sjanzen@me.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:02:10 -0500 CC: fot@autox.team.net To: jsclark@live.ca So, you want me to tell you what's in my car so you can come out and beat me next time? Carillo rods Venolia pistons stock crank, balanced with all rotating assemblies and nitrided stock block and main bearing caps external oiling system to each main bearing a la Steve Smith and others, but none of the extra drilling of the crank oil passages. TR6 oil pump, stock. Aluminum flywheel with steel wear surface sourced from TSI years ago, with steel inserts added at the bolt holes. crank and flywheel drilled for an extra dowel pin. 12:1 compression (not much head left to machine) Valves and cam from Wishbone Classics- Valves have a very slender profile for good flow. Hardened seats, bronze guides, ported head (Wishbone Classics) Crank balancer - supposedly adapted from a Ford 6 cylinder truck damper by one of the major damper companies - I have the shop drawing somewhere if you want it. Revs freely to 7,000 and beyond. I take it there pretty much every shift, every lap. Dyno claims 178 HP - not sure I believe the dyno, but it's probably close, though it's a pretty steep slope on the chart to get there, i.e., a lot less power at 4,000 rpm. I'm generally at 60-70 PSI oil pressure at speed and 40 at idle, hot. Keep the bearing clearances tight. If you do all this you need to give up on the stock pressure plate and most importantly on the stock transmission. TR6 trans conversion has been trouble free for me. Lastly, this is probably a good time to upgrade the ignition, if you haven't already - I like the Advanced Distributor stuff. If you want to make an extra set of the rear hub bits I might be interested, and there's a guy who broke both of his (stock) hubs at Watkins Glen this fall who definitely will be. You should get Kas' (3rd?) book, which has as the last chapter a full write-up on the development of Chuck Gee's car. Some good info there. Have fun this winter! I guess I better work on some new headers this winter and a few other things to up my game for next year. See you at the track - rematch at Watkins Glen? Scott Janzen On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods crank,flywheel? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:56:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79DF4364B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:56:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408944360F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:55:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.230.60.199] (172.sub-174-237-35.myvzw.com [174.237.35.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rABMtSQE015845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:55:29 -0500 References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA733DF03426@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> From: John Hasty Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:55:24 -0500 To: "Barr, Scott" a=9FHDDomKhpephFQLdXyxDw==:17 a=UjzjxXcoAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=JrJXicvOahcA:10 a=MJIo3LPEAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=KhYEYkRtqcezOPMw5QAA:9 a=eoMrsfGxk796Madt:21 a=EjquexTq1G9ZI6gU:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=IeVFYImMg6QA:10 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No mas pantalonies! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:09 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > << I don't want to beat you >> > > Someone's pants are on fire ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Jeff Clark > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:03 PM > To: sjanzen@me.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft > > Thanks Scott and I don't want to beat you but I sure would like to race with > you, next year Watkind Glen is a strong possibility Jeff > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft > From: sjanzen@me.com > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:02:10 -0500 > CC: fot@autox.team.net > To: jsclark@live.ca > > So, you want me to tell you what's in my car so you can come out and beat me > next time? > > > Carillo rods > Venolia pistons > stock crank, balanced with all rotating assemblies and nitrided stock block > and main bearing caps external oiling system to each main bearing a la Steve > Smith and others, but none of the extra drilling of the crank oil passages. > TR6 oil pump, stock. > Aluminum flywheel with steel wear surface sourced from TSI years ago, with > steel inserts added at the bolt holes. crank and flywheel drilled for an > extra dowel pin. > 12:1 compression (not much head left to machine) Valves and cam from Wishbone > Classics- Valves have a very slender profile for good flow. > Hardened seats, bronze guides, ported head (Wishbone Classics) Crank balancer > - supposedly adapted from a Ford 6 cylinder truck damper by one of the major > damper companies - I have the shop drawing somewhere if you want it. > > > Revs freely to 7,000 and beyond. I take it there pretty much every shift, > every lap. > Dyno claims 178 HP - not sure I believe the dyno, but it's probably close, > though it's a pretty steep slope on the chart to get there, i.e., a lot less > power at 4,000 rpm. > I'm generally at 60-70 PSI oil pressure at speed and 40 at idle, hot. Keep > the bearing clearances tight. > > > If you do all this you need to give up on the stock pressure plate and most > importantly on the stock transmission. TR6 trans conversion has been trouble > free for me. > > > Lastly, this is probably a good time to upgrade the ignition, if you haven't > already - I like the Advanced Distributor stuff. > > > If you want to make an extra set of the rear hub bits I might be interested, > and there's a guy who broke both of his (stock) hubs at Watkins Glen this fall > who definitely will be. > > > You should get Kas' (3rd?) book, which has as the last chapter a full write-up > on the development of Chuck Gee's car. Some good info there. > > > Have fun this winter! I guess I better work on some new headers this winter > and a few other things to up my game for next year. See you at the track - > rematch at Watkins Glen? > > > Scott Janzen > > > > > > > > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: > This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road > America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with > rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another > engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods > crank,flywheel? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 20:57:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59984436DA for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:57:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018964368D for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:56:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AE4CA70160785; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dlc003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.73]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3979FE000089; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:56:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catpusher@aol.com Full-name: Catpusher Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:56:14 -0500 (EST) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384228574; bh=bvU/1q2r778ZoCtjnaDMz07Kbr0AcOTWfyDIdyC7kmA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XGur9oX6JWPdLqKwy+nGVhn7gy9aqBBRb1XhztkpA1glL75g0JCP0GvcgsKkUUmjq Vw4F00BeuaqkVoGrhkyjQ4wi5QemH5BJ2dTAjVIlBfzfd9/wRw+OoOWsuoIabDuZee wFx0h1We9c7+a88q/11C8qIKriAtLYzWEHlrigBo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c95281a6de274c Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR4 Pinion bearing assembly question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, To add to MJB's and Randall's excellent advise: The pinion head bearing supplied by the factory was not off the shelf Timken. The later TR6 pinion depth was adjusted by a selective shim between the pinion head and head inner bearing. How do you know that the shims that were in the assy were correct? The pinion drop distance is in the TR2/3 workshop manual, and there are a number of ways to measure it. I used to go to the factory service school to use their M84A (it was so expensive that the Bay Area dealers would borrow it) I now have that tool and it is VERY Exact. For reliability, and to not turn valuable horsepower into wasted heat, it is important to follow the factory manual. Use only WD40 to lube the bearings during assy and measuring. Checking the contact patch is essential, but not as good as proper measurement first. Watch for anything that will upset the bearings as they are fitted. Use the correct loctite on the ring gear set screws. This is the short version. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Randall" To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Pinion bearing assembly question > Question - why is the outer race shimmed at the housing, Stronger that way. > If this is to position the pinion > correctly fore/aft so that it lands correctly relative to the > crown gear, I > wouldn't think a few thou would make a difference. It's the shims next to the pinion gear that set the gear position, and a few thou does make a big difference. > but with variations between the old and new > bearings, I have no > idea if this will result in the same spacing. Reassemble the bearings you removed, measure the thickness, compare to the new ones. Normally they will be exactly the same thickness (but not always). I don't have the fancy tools, so I used a Formica countertop as a surface plate, and a digital caliper with a depth attachment to measure the height through the center of the bearing. The "Made in India" carrier bearings weren't even the same as each other, so I pitched them and bought some good Timken that match the old ones exactly (within the accuracy of my measuring setup). Chances are that you won't want to reuse the old shims, they almost always get damaged during the removal process. It doesn't seem like a crease or two would make a difference, but it does. After you think it's right, check the contact pattern. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 21:02:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160FB43693 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:02:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246F43635 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oThJ1m0020cQ2SLA2U0htk; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:00:41 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oU0h1m0022yr1eL8WU0hor; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:00:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:00:40 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Todd Redmond s=q20121106; t=1384228841; bh=6ZAGawI17+jVAnKMnNF/3Lsnpj7jWf8t/PwORXbxcBQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kEi2rKrPGT8tGF+BS0/SrwZa8N5Fnlls3voUAFKf8Pxt1hFrhLKxW7FfjpzYlAHrE bNB8BqPAXz8Or6DI7BxYiO7M0UJFfI1aPP56wcXsFe3xQGCkJqVPc3b8jLLmWlQkXO bjMizAoTMNc4cvfCFBCdLeYc9ixPd2kADaMHFS2ooEMf9v2aEPz7qKRM3bJNrsQvd2 HkVT0M1NqfBqmDnc2mNaJp+ZlAzkZQgA4EMdmuKK45MKsRgmThA7FzJ817MRW1Z6AC Tpyg9uK55+88HywJkgIMnU1kAxJvBC+ohsHn7+Jvv1uQWSmwz/70EWOmzjyQf0QiwH go/bWapQiH8Jw== Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curto did my carbs and missed a couple things. I had meticulously cleaned 3 disassembled carbs and sent them to Joe to build a set with the best parts between them. While tuning I found that the dampers didn't match, one had a long shaft and one short. I also found that one of the pistons was machined to a larger diameter where the damper fits and one of the carbs, after about 300 miles of use, started to leak fuel from the main jet seal. The problem might be that Joe doesn't actually do the work, but I'm not sure about that. In any event, details were missed. Oh, Joe did send a nice SU coffee mug with the carbs, but unfortunately it was poorly packaged and the handle was broken off during shipping. I had communicated with Paltech before I send mine to Curto. They sure seemed to be on their game and detail oriented. Their polishing is unique. Their price is, if I remember correctly, less than Curto, but not by much. Both are very reasonably priced and about half to 1/3rd the cost of a new set of SUs, depending on HS6s or H6s. The difference in price was probably about the cost of a coffee mug. I checked Ray Marty's website and I think it's a fair bet that Ray will actually be doing the work and to a quality level. One photo on his website shows him milling the carb to manifold gasket surface... Really? The photos remind me of a very detail oriented, shall I say completely annal retentive machinist friend of mine. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Redmond" To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46:07 PM Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder FoT, Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT Facebook page. Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. B Was just checking on others. Thanks Todd Redmond TS #29341 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 21:34:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6DE436F7 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:34:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc1-s38.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc1-s38.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72EE43697 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT146-W41 ([65.55.90.8]) by snt0-omc1-s38.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:23:07 -0800 From: Sam Halkias To: davehogye , Todd Redmond Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:23:07 -0500 References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net>, <1211114747.4073493.1384228840971.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FILETIME=[E37F6560:01CEDF5E] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net And Paltech also does a wonderful Hitachi SU conversion for TR's! He even handles Webers. All of his work comes out looking and working better than new. I have used him for two years and probably have had over a dozen sets of carbs and conversions done with zero problems. Sam > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:00:40 +0000 > From: dlhogye@comcast.net > To: alfetta95@optonline.net > CC: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder > > Joe Curto did my carbs and missed a couple things. I had meticulously cleaned 3 disassembled carbs and sent them to Joe to build a set with the best parts between them. > While tuning I found that the dampers didn't match, one had a long shaft and one short. I also found that one of the pistons was machined to a larger diameter where the damper fits and one of the carbs, after about 300 miles of use, started to leak fuel from the main jet seal. > The problem might be that Joe doesn't actually do the work, but I'm not sure about that. In any event, details were missed. Oh, Joe did send a nice SU coffee mug with the carbs, but unfortunately it was poorly packaged and the handle was broken off during shipping. > > > I had communicated with Paltech before I send mine to Curto. They sure seemed to be on their game and detail oriented. Their polishing is unique. Their price is, if I remember correctly, less than Curto, but not by much. Both are very reasonably priced and about half to 1/3rd the cost of a new set of SUs, depending on HS6s or H6s. The difference in price was probably about the cost of a coffee mug. > > > I checked Ray Marty's website and I think it's a fair bet that Ray will actually be doing the work and to a quality level. One photo on his website shows him milling the carb to manifold gasket surface... Really? The photos remind me of a very detail oriented, shall I say completely annal retentive machinist friend of mine. > > > Dave H. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Redmond" > To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46:07 PM > Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder > > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 01:39:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2779743710 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 01:39:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F54436EF for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 01:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.22.133.89] (82.132.226.244) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 527D07F200727D32; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:38:34 +0000 References: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA733DF03426@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <545741D2-7273-4DEA-B9B4-7457434FC554@gdhs.com> From: TR4 Tony Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:12:01 +0000 To: John Hasty Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Brilliant ! Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Nov 2013, at 22:55, John Hasty wrote: > > No mas pantalonies! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:09 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: >> >> << I don't want to beat you >> >> >> Someone's pants are on fire ;-) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf >> Of Jeff Clark >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:03 PM >> To: sjanzen@me.com >> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft >> >> Thanks Scott and I don't want to beat you but I sure would like to race > with >> you, next year Watkind Glen is a strong possibility Jeff >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Crankshaft >> From: sjanzen@me.com >> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:02:10 -0500 >> CC: fot@autox.team.net >> To: jsclark@live.ca >> >> So, you want me to tell you what's in my car so you can come out and beat > me >> next time? >> >> >> Carillo rods >> Venolia pistons >> stock crank, balanced with all rotating assemblies and nitrided stock block >> and main bearing caps external oiling system to each main bearing a la > Steve >> Smith and others, but none of the extra drilling of the crank oil passages. >> TR6 oil pump, stock. >> Aluminum flywheel with steel wear surface sourced from TSI years ago, with >> steel inserts added at the bolt holes. crank and flywheel drilled for an >> extra dowel pin. >> 12:1 compression (not much head left to machine) Valves and cam from > Wishbone >> Classics- Valves have a very slender profile for good flow. >> Hardened seats, bronze guides, ported head (Wishbone Classics) Crank > balancer >> - supposedly adapted from a Ford 6 cylinder truck damper by one of the > major >> damper companies - I have the shop drawing somewhere if you want it. >> >> >> Revs freely to 7,000 and beyond. I take it there pretty much every shift, >> every lap. >> Dyno claims 178 HP - not sure I believe the dyno, but it's probably close, >> though it's a pretty steep slope on the chart to get there, i.e., a lot > less >> power at 4,000 rpm. >> I'm generally at 60-70 PSI oil pressure at speed and 40 at idle, hot. Keep >> the bearing clearances tight. >> >> >> If you do all this you need to give up on the stock pressure plate and most >> importantly on the stock transmission. TR6 trans conversion has been > trouble >> free for me. >> >> >> Lastly, this is probably a good time to upgrade the ignition, if you > haven't >> already - I like the Advanced Distributor stuff. >> >> >> If you want to make an extra set of the rear hub bits I might be > interested, >> and there's a guy who broke both of his (stock) hubs at Watkins Glen this > fall >> who definitely will be. >> >> >> You should get Kas' (3rd?) book, which has as the last chapter a full > write-up >> on the development of Chuck Gee's car. Some good info there. >> >> >> Have fun this winter! I guess I better work on some new headers this > winter >> and a few other things to up my game for next year. See you at the track - >> rematch at Watkins Glen? >> >> >> Scott Janzen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: >> This question is for the the Gt6 crowd .We have decided that after Road >> America and seeing what a Gt6 race car is capable of this winter along with >> rebuilding the rear hubs using Datsun bits we are going to build another >> engine. What is eveyone using for the bottem end ,pistons,rods >> crank,flywheel? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr@mccarty-law.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 04:31:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277504373A for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:31:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C5F43736 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:30:52 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=81dydnSywfQA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=0kVCkFGeQSbxRkSKhOgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=voxhXbVIY9KLe5J6Uu3z5A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.183] ([10.127.132.183:61516] helo=cdptpa-web32-z02) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B7/7A-01931-05112825; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:30:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 6:30:24 -0500 From: To: davehogye , Todd Redmond Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net hmmmm, I've had nothing but first class work from Joe, racing and street, for the past 30 years. For me I would rather pass on the polishing metal and buy additional jets instead. ---- davehogye wrote: > Joe Curto did my carbs and missed a couple things. I had meticulously cleaned 3 disassembled carbs and sent them to Joe to build a set with the best parts between them. > While tuning I found that the dampers didn't match, one had a long shaft and one short. I also found that one of the pistons was machined to a larger diameter where the damper fits and one of the carbs, after about 300 miles of use, started to leak fuel from the main jet seal. > The problem might be that Joe doesn't actually do the work, but I'm not sure about that. In any event, details were missed. Oh, Joe did send a nice SU coffee mug with the carbs, but unfortunately it was poorly packaged and the handle was broken off during shipping. > > > I had communicated with Paltech before I send mine to Curto. They sure seemed to be on their game and detail oriented. Their polishing is unique. Their price is, if I remember correctly, less than Curto, but not by much. Both are very reasonably priced and about half to 1/3rd the cost of a new set of SUs, depending on HS6s or H6s. The difference in price was probably about the cost of a coffee mug. > > > I checked Ray Marty's website and I think it's a fair bet that Ray will actually be doing the work and to a quality level. One photo on his website shows him milling the carb to manifold gasket surface... Really? The photos remind me of a very detail oriented, shall I say completely annal retentive machinist friend of mine. > > > Dave H. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Redmond" > To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46:07 PM > Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder > > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 06:45:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F70403B1 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:45:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD954003B for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id g12so5316541oah.30 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:41:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SQz0AVtS5euDirukR//PlRSNQ7YRNlo2atpRmgYW3Kc=; b=x32daZ5cIgpmq47lZPyPU7ffqUyRyTCJ+eqdkXodGlrx7uIVeRaW28ALiIjjHCDXsc wT7009XOaHkqs9Jr099MvBI+MGnk0BdsOWpM6s5ZO6bKSQViMxwRv/XICaE8qTQNPIwn 2PBFp80nWL8zwBzQzcdFZo4OAIPrYa2q+maJqEyMkjPxtMupPPhxdc91KMMlwsSpdHLX TynOZ9IBpD5q8EFBypNnbZGZFrk2CoB3c+eE3xxlCCbp2/TLT6xk6mffHGdSKHwkUxSI uVtr/rc12sT0AF10Zp463wKQiFDl46R1DP4LMQY9+6Iy9f+Ly9SfnxeIV/yLqsIbhChU wOJg== Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.178.169 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:41:49 -0800 (PST) References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:41:49 -0600 From: Duncan Charlton To: Todd Redmond Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe Curto knows what he's doing. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 On Monday, November 11, 2013, Todd Redmond wrote: > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 08:06:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FF24285B for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:06:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F7640535 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:06:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.17.140]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MW5000X7OLMDI00@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:05:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Sam Halkias" , "davehogye" , "Todd Redmond" References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net>, <1211114747.4073493.1384228840971.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:35:24 -0500 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I put a set of Paltech's carbs on my car last spring and they work very well. Cost was reasonable. His work is like Richard Good's: Excellent! NFI Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Halkias" To: "davehogye" ; "Todd Redmond" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder > And Paltech also does a wonderful Hitachi SU conversion for TR's! He even > handles Webers. All of his work comes out looking and working better than > new. > I have used him for two years and probably have had over a dozen sets of > carbs > and conversions done with zero problems. > > Sam > >> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:00:40 +0000 >> From: dlhogye@comcast.net >> To: alfetta95@optonline.net >> CC: FOT@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder >> >> Joe Curto did my carbs and missed a couple things. I had meticulously > cleaned 3 disassembled carbs and sent them to Joe to build a set with the > best > parts between them. >> While tuning I found that the dampers didn't match, one had a long shaft >> and > one short. I also found that one of the pistons was machined to a larger > diameter where the damper fits and one of the carbs, after about 300 miles > of > use, started to leak fuel from the main jet seal. >> The problem might be that Joe doesn't actually do the work, but I'm not >> sure > about that. In any event, details were missed. Oh, Joe did send a nice SU > coffee mug with the carbs, but unfortunately it was poorly packaged and > the > handle was broken off during shipping. >> >> >> I had communicated with Paltech before I send mine to Curto. They sure > seemed to be on their game and detail oriented. Their polishing is unique. > Their price is, if I remember correctly, less than Curto, but not by much. > Both are very reasonably priced and about half to 1/3rd the cost of a new > set > of SUs, depending on HS6s or H6s. The difference in price was probably > about > the cost of a coffee mug. >> >> >> I checked Ray Marty's website and I think it's a fair bet that Ray will > actually be doing the work and to a quality level. One photo on his > website > shows him milling the carb to manifold gasket surface... Really? The > photos > remind me of a very detail oriented, shall I say completely annal > retentive > machinist friend of mine. >> >> >> Dave H. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Todd Redmond" >> To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46:07 PM >> Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder >> >> FoT, >> >> >> Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT >> Facebook page. >> >> >> Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B >> British >> Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. >> B Was just checking on others. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Todd Redmond >> TS #29341 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 10:38:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC30842F7C for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CA742F42 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8222370002C7E; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.161.145]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 238B4E000085; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) References: <7967e1f4.151fa.14248ea0d46.Webtop.45@optonline.net> To: alfetta95@optonline.net, FOT@autox.team.net From: jameselbe@aol.com Received: from 75.70.249.255 by webmail-m204.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.244) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:26:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384277166; bh=YrLsb4KA+ltf7w7CTAOghl/hqe2Gq5wLGa5HKJiPsxs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W4x/D9cnXyCwNzX2mXv1zd19CdinvxCkLxEgwIMU+L8XHrpaqhdno+94BjxSz4K92 toJqOsoqJIBB5pBjrhIGykPvjqWnctmva9xKlZHTo6qKWFP4AJu1eVPSO1KGPM8SlM VjahcKUifA56xM0yhRkG+ha489MN1Gw3wJcSvI/Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c9528264ae7608 Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've used SUCARBS.COM--Dana Britton and was very satisfied. They are in Wichita, Ks. Jim TR4 #223 -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:51 pm Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder FoT, Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT Facebook page. Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. B Was just checking on others. Thanks Todd Redmond TS #29341 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jameselbe@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 10:59:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F088B42A58 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:59:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8283642F35 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:42:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W70 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:40:57 -0800 From: Chuck WATSON To: "tr4.tony@virgin.net" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:40:57 -0500 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>, <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net> FILETIME=[58516770:01CEDFCE] Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT - I bought my rack from Moss Europe and I have contacted them about the issue. They are interested in hearing about the problems encountered as they determine the appropriate action. I would encourage those of you with first-hand info to contact Jeff Marks at jmarks@moss-europe.co.uk even if your rack was purchased from Moss USA. Hopefully this will get all of us a good resolution. Thanks, Chuck Watson > Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:37 +0000 > CC: clw2000@msn.com; fot@autox.team.net > To: tony@tonydrews.com > > Hi Tony > > I'm afraid I'd be very doubtful of it personally, although clearly I have no knowledge of what exactly you have- you need to check it carefully. The issues are; > > The tube pulls out if the pinion housing > The pinion nut falls off > The threads on the track rod ends aren't always machined properly > > I suggest you check with MOSS - I learned yesterday that MOSS Europe have 'frozen' sales of racks in the UK - I'm not sure what that means exactly, but they have agreed to meet with me to discuss my problem at least. > > Meanwhile I'm using a modified rack before the Titan parts arrive - I will not countenance a rack as supplied by MOSS for fear of our and others safety. > > Regards > > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 8 Nov 2013, at 19:08, Tony Drews wrote: > > > > FYI - I've got a Moss Quick Rack that I was planning to install this winter - says "Made in Argentina" clearly on the sticker on it. Guess I'll stick with the old stock one that's in the TR4. > > > > Tony Drews > > > > At 08:08 AM 11/7/2013, TR4 Tony wrote: > >> Chuck > >> > >> I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have first > >> hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any 'Made > >> in Argentina'. > >> > >> Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks made now > >> with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you contact > >> Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be running > >> one of the first when they arrive. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON wrote: > >>> > >>> Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they > >> claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a > >> Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. > >> If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see > >> exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Chuck Watson > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > >>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 > >>>> To: fot@autox.team.net > >>>> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > >>>> > >>>> All > >>>> > >>>> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction > >> TR4 > >>>> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > >>>> > >>>> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the > >> Tests, > >>>> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. > >> People > >>>> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > >>>> > >>>> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious > >> safety > >>>> matters hence my email to this group. > >>>> > >>>> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > >>>> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the > >> rack > >>>> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack > >> has > >>>> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in > >> opposite > >>>> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > >>>> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > >>>> > >>>> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine > >> and > >>>> which I was lucky to walk away from. > >>>> > >>>> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the > >> rack > >>>> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of > >> control > >>>> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's > >> open to > >>>> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and > >> caused > >>>> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just > >> spins > >>>> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design > >> and > >>>> manufacturing. > >>>> > >>>> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were > >> lucky > >>>> to survive unscathed. > >>>> > >>>> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow > >> holes > >>>> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > >>>> control. > >>>> > >>>> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are > >> not > >>>> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and > >> again > >>>> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > >>>> > >>>> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix > >> (which > >>>> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for > >> purpose, > >>>> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > >>>> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy > >> themselves > >>>> of their safety in use. > >>>> > >>>> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will > >> replace > >>>> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in > >> use. > >>>> > >>>> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > >>>> response. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> > >>>> Tony > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> fot@autox.team.net > >>>> > >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>>> > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:27:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEE240078 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:27:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF3940074 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4D5E07018489D; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 65CB7E0002A2; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:26:38 -0500 (EST) References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net> From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:26:36 -0600 To: Chuck WATSON x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384280799; bh=V3oVtHC47E0uGk57S1e3J/bc1NbRp0mqvTCSfApVnBc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=loI/QFMyml1rild9PXZ011nikPLibwVrth2I9iDy+fhuJqXYHZ5qtuF+4j7CPtrUO 2CZedvXaw8UxDLHJjbxSj7pSUVA1Mm6kUjGsifJkHv7PdAlYEfsY6V66Ru4F3+RI1W vT6q7OlA8sr+7jiUOKyEPn2MJaEUtkejfN/6+55c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2906528272de0e44 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Kelvin Dodd in the US doddk@mossmotors.com He likely knows about this and is working diligently on the problem, but he might be interested in hearing about the first hand experiences and field fixes. Joe A Sent from my iPad > On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Chuck WATSON wrote: > > FOT - > > I bought my rack from Moss Europe and I have contacted them about the issue. > They are interested in hearing about the problems encountered as they > determine the appropriate action. I would encourage those of you with > first-hand info to contact Jeff Marks at jmarks@moss-europe.co.uk even if > your rack was purchased from Moss USA. Hopefully this will get all of us a > good resolution. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks >> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net >> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:37 +0000 >> CC: clw2000@msn.com; fot@autox.team.net >> To: tony@tonydrews.com >> >> Hi Tony >> >> I'm afraid I'd be very doubtful of it personally, although clearly I have no > knowledge of what exactly you have- you need to check it carefully. The > issues are; >> >> The tube pulls out if the pinion housing >> The pinion nut falls off >> The threads on the track rod ends aren't always machined properly >> >> I suggest you check with MOSS - I learned yesterday that MOSS Europe have > 'frozen' sales of racks in the UK - I'm not sure what that means exactly, but > they have agreed to meet with me to discuss my problem at least. >> >> Meanwhile I'm using a modified rack before the Titan parts arrive - I will > not countenance a rack as supplied by MOSS for fear of our and others safety. >> >> Regards >> >> Tony >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 8 Nov 2013, at 19:08, Tony Drews wrote: >>> >>> FYI - I've got a Moss Quick Rack that I was planning to install this > winter - says "Made in Argentina" clearly on the sticker on it. Guess I'll > stick with the old stock one that's in the TR4. >>> >>> Tony Drews >>> >>> At 08:08 AM 11/7/2013, TR4 Tony wrote: >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have > first >>>> hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any > 'Made >>>> in Argentina'. >>>> >>>> Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks made > now >>>> with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you > contact >>>> Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be > running >>>> one of the first when they arrive. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, > they >>>> claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit > for a >>>> Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are > universal. >>>> If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we > can see >>>> exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Watson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net >>>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 >>>>>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>>>>> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks >>>>>> >>>>>> All >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction >>>> TR4 >>>>>> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of > the >>>> Tests, >>>>>> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. >>>> People >>>>>> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. >>>>>> >>>>>> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious >>>> safety >>>>>> matters hence my email to this group. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or > machined >>>>>> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock > the >>>> rack >>>>>> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the > rack >>>> has >>>>>> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in >>>> opposite >>>>>> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of >>>>>> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was > mine >>>> and >>>>>> which I was lucky to walk away from. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows > the >>>> rack >>>>>> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of >>>> control >>>>>> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's >>>> open to >>>>>> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and >>>> caused >>>>>> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just >>>> spins >>>>>> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, > design >>>> and >>>>>> manufacturing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were >>>> lucky >>>>>> to survive unscathed. >>>>>> >>>>>> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with > blow >>>> holes >>>>>> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality >>>>>> control. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack > are >>>> not >>>>>> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and >>>> again >>>>>> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix >>>> (which >>>>>> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for >>>> purpose, >>>>>> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made > in >>>>>> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy >>>> themselves >>>>>> of their safety in use. >>>>>> >>>>>> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will >>>> replace >>>>>> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe > in >>>> use. >>>>>> >>>>>> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting > their >>>>>> response. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:36:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE403403E0 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:36:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD3B40323 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:32:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.38.212.156] (82.132.225.203) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 527D07F20086B9A4; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:32:27 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net> From: TR4 Tony Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:32:11 +0000 To: Chuck WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi chuck Yes I'm due to meet Jeff on this as soon as they come back to me on dates. Thanks Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Nov 2013, at 17:40, Chuck WATSON wrote: > > FOT - > > I bought my rack from Moss Europe and I have contacted them about the issue. They are interested in hearing about the problems encountered as they determine the appropriate action. I would encourage those of you with first-hand info to contact Jeff Marks at jmarks@moss-europe.co.uk even if your rack was purchased from Moss USA. Hopefully this will get all of us a good resolution. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > > Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:37 +0000 > > CC: clw2000@msn.com; fot@autox.team.net > > To: tony@tonydrews.com > > > > Hi Tony > > > > I'm afraid I'd be very doubtful of it personally, although clearly I have no knowledge of what exactly you have- you need to check it carefully. The issues are; > > > > The tube pulls out if the pinion housing > > The pinion nut falls off > > The threads on the track rod ends aren't always machined properly > > > > I suggest you check with MOSS - I learned yesterday that MOSS Europe have 'frozen' sales of racks in the UK - I'm not sure what that means exactly, but they have agreed to meet with me to discuss my problem at least. > > > > Meanwhile I'm using a modified rack before the Titan parts arrive - I will not countenance a rack as supplied by MOSS for fear of our and others safety. > > > > Regards > > > > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 8 Nov 2013, at 19:08, Tony Drews wrote: > > > > > > FYI - I've got a Moss Quick Rack that I was planning to install this winter - says "Made in Argentina" clearly on the sticker on it. Guess I'll stick with the old stock one that's in the TR4. > > > > > > Tony Drews > > > > > > At 08:08 AM 11/7/2013, TR4 Tony wrote: > > >> Chuck > > >> > > >> I would suggest that it is worth checking all racks, but I only have first > > >> hand knowledge of the TR4 (TR6 etc) racks. I would be suspicious of any 'Made > > >> in Argentina'. > > >> > > >> Steve Hall at TR Enterpises is having a batch of weapons grade racks made now > > >> with an ETA of march 2014 - if anyone is interested I suggest you contact > > >> Simon Watson at simon@trenterprises.com to discuss. NFI but I will be running > > >> one of the first when they arrive. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> Tony > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> Tony > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On 7 Nov 2013, at 13:24, Chuck WATSON wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Serious stuff! Is that the quick-ratio unit from Moss USA? That one, they > > >> claim, is a heavy duty unit designed for competition. I have their unit for a > > >> Spit/GT6 application and would like to figure out if the issues are universal. > > >> If possible, please email or post some pics on the Facebook site so we can see > > >> exactly the areas you have identified. Thanks for the info Tony. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Chuck Watson > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net > > >>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:59:48 +0000 > > >>>> To: fot@autox.team.net > > >>>> Subject: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks > > >>>> > > >>>> All > > >>>> > > >>>> I thought I'd give you all a heads up on my position with reproduction > > >> TR4 > > >>>> steering racks made in Argentina and supplied by MOSS or via others. > > >>>> > > >>>> I have had another near lethal failure this weekend on the Rally of the > > >> Tests, > > >>>> costing me a high placing and a class win as well as the car or worse. > > >> People > > >>>> could have been hurt very badly. This is the second time. > > >>>> > > >>>> The issues are threefold in my experience, the first two are serious > > >> safety > > >>>> matters hence my email to this group. > > >>>> > > >>>> 1. The main steel rack tube is pressed without any notching or machined > > >>>> scoring into the alloy pinion housing, meaning that on left hand lock the > > >> rack > > >>>> tube parts from the housing and control is lost. This is because the rack > > >> has > > >>>> nothing to bear against and therefore the wheels end up pointing in > > >> opposite > > >>>> directions. The alloy housing appears to be made from a material of > > >>>> insufficiently high quality in my opinion and the press fit is poor. > > >>>> > > >>>> I am aware of 7 failures now, 6 on competition cars, one of which was mine > > >> and > > >>>> which I was lucky to walk away from. > > >>>> > > >>>> 2. The nut and spring on the top of the pinion housing (which allows the > > >> rack > > >>>> preload / play to be adjusted) unwinds and falls off, causing loss of > > >> control > > >>>> and excessive play in the rack, as well as ingress of material as it's > > >> open to > > >>>> the atmosphere. This is another potentially lethal failure mode and > > >> caused > > >>>> because the peening of the pinion housing / nut fails and the nut just > > >> spins > > >>>> itself off. Again my opinion is that this is due to poor material, design > > >> and > > >>>> manufacturing. > > >>>> > > >>>> I am aware if two such failures now, one on my car again which we were > > >> lucky > > >>>> to survive unscathed. > > >>>> > > >>>> The cast alloy pinion housings also appear to be poorly cast, with blow > > >> holes > > >>>> evident in the assembly indicating poor material, process and quality > > >>>> control. > > >>>> > > >>>> 3. There is a third problem in that the threads on ends of the rack are > > >> not > > >>>> cut properly, so track rod ends will not fit. Theses need to recut and > > >> again > > >>>> is evidence of poor manufacturing and dimensional control. > > >>>> > > >>>> I am working with TR Enterprises in the UK to develop a short term fix > > >> (which > > >>>> we have done) and ultimately have some racks made that are fit for > > >> purpose, > > >>>> however meantime my opinion is that anyone who has one of these 'Made in > > >>>> Argentina' steering racks should talk to their supplier and satisfy > > >> themselves > > >>>> of their safety in use. > > >>>> > > >>>> I for one will not be using such a rack in an unmodified form and will > > >> replace > > >>>> it as soon as is possible with a product that is designed to be safe in > > >> use. > > >>>> > > >>>> Needless to say I wish to discuss this with MOSS and I am awaiting their > > >>>> response. > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards > > >>>> > > >>>> Tony > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> fot@autox.team.net > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >>>> > > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000@msn.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot@autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:37:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163AA403C6 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:37:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687AB40323 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.38.212.156] (82.132.225.203) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 527CFA7000802EBD; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:32:57 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net> <73A99376-3679-45BA-931D-C28C63728F37@cs.com> From: TR4 Tony Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:32:51 +0000 To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe I copy my email on this to him. Thanks Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:26, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Kelvin Dodd in the US doddk@mossmotors.com > > He likely knows about this and is working diligently on the problem, but he might be interested in hearing about the first hand experiences and field fixes. > > Joe A > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Chuck WATSON wrote: >> >> FOT - >> >> I bought my rack from Moss Europe and I have contacted them about the issue. >> They are interested in hearing about the problems encountered as they >> determine the appropriate action. I would encourage those of you with >> first-hand info to contact Jeff Marks at jmarks@moss-europe.co.uk even if >> your rack was purchased from Moss USA. Hopefully this will get all of us a >> good resolution. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks >>> From: tr4.tony@virgin.net >>> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:20:37 +0000 >>> CC: clw2000@msn.com; fot@autox.team.net >>> To: tony@tonydrews.com >>> >>> Hi Tony >>> >>> I'm afraid I'd be very doubtful of it personally, although clearly I have _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:40:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D639403B1 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:40:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F54840395 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id cb5so4141422wib.4 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SXam7QmEkcLAxWpkLGa+nnNYn4+wxS49m9CNSYQB7qE=; b=lJjNpuiy6IhRoh1K1/PE5pzE71OQOVZQIik82qUbdwKB/O1V1V9BZANc0jufOoQZxw AkrjyJcwdCNYThFSvzEOr3qn6I3WtpzxTI5qrB1ydMft/14UOQlRIEoZ1GJxU2OEwbr2 X+x1td+2+PoPeZFAmQgpjb6Oqh82Q2GGxYz8SBPJdD+hBvdRhqhOcdB1P2OTWSB51W/V ajJqN8tdFPujql36LAVVOKlqHD5emielq4uq0scD1DwzL7hqf+y9PKOINvTKJE750/Pj VapNr7TSJY432PkFy/kWQtl2WOajUEkW2oUvhRrWLTDSZzOo0T+8aIKj59y7G0MNVQuh NJsA== u9mr17710918wif.5.1384281518635; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.190.201 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.190.201 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net> <40183384-359D-4EA6-91E6-7BB4D889E9D8@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0800 From: Christian Marx To: Tony Sheach Cc: "fot@autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry for my asking. What is wrong with the stock steering rack? Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:53:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39586403D7 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:53:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E492040325 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU180-W52 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:43:53 -0800 From: Chuck WATSON To: Christian Marx Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:43:53 -0500 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net>, , <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net>, <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>, <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net>, , <40183384-359D-4EA6-91E6-7BB4D889E9D8@virgin.net>, FILETIME=[22EEA170:01CEDFD7] Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In my case the existing rack was from an abused street car. The Moss unit was advertised as having more stout materials and built to competition standards, so it was a seemingly obvious choice. I'm not aware of any faults with a standard unit if it's in good shape. Thanks, Chuck Watson Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED From: tr4racing@googlemail.com To: tr4.tony@virgin.net CC: fot@autox.team.net; clw2000@msn.com Sorry for my asking. What is wrong with the stock steering rack? Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 11:57:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98361403F6 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C774035A for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:57:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.38.212.156] (82.132.225.203) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 527D07F200876047; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:56:47 +0000 References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <527d36e2.e2dc420a.35d1.4b92SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <817EF639-1786-41A4-B0DC-E2E899464B18@virgin.net> <40183384-359D-4EA6-91E6-7BB4D889E9D8@virgin.net> From: TR4 Tony Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:56:39 +0000 To: Christian Marx Cc: "fot@autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks - INFO NEEDED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My experience is that the versions 'made in Argentina' are not we made and I have had two fail very dangerously on me - contact me off list or give me a ring. If you are using one Chris you really need to check it carefully. 00447712 190610 Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Nov 2013, at 18:38, Christian Marx wrote: > > Sorry for my asking. > > What is wrong with the stock steering rack? > > Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 12:36:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6744043D for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2934C403C6 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:21:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oimg1m00B0FhH24AAjLng5; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:20:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([24.22.75.60]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ojLm1m0061J37AG8UjLmxa; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:20:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:20:42 -0800 From: Jim Norlin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1211114747.4073493.1384228840971.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1384284047; bh=no27yuSuWI/Gb6YaQnobZfoM3GNn08jpIZVQT1YNM20=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=ce/rntIV8j4KI76Zi8Y10M5yOh00sochSvnySNWSAYOu898toycIqIm3fsUYQ0CFV +Zv/hx35DvrHXNPwuTJHS2C0J2+O2uQua14PLocMs5INpQkxxszuOi3iw0UrA2ohdy FUkjgpyIszVeGYy9dAiRCTv8T2CHly6PIsnZDRcwEKgTRR6/UjlnhLgli0booaNwMK pd75DBQ4AxpzkoNZ4XSe5CIR3v7tjSobTExA8LlBzQIqHthXXb5ulpL0+KATDNUH0O iIJQ7ljst2mUDBBOgzhWEc1aE3GuY/ZCh5CHhmeNohNKT6PSyjqMWSgyDuvvL1kpKj NkcC2rS0DqJ2A== Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dave - You nailed it with respect to Ray Marty. He's the only one in his shop and he is detail oriented. You will get back all the parts he replaced along with a detailed list of the repairs he made and what he found was wrong. I've also had Ray rebuild my GT6 gearbox. Jim On 11/11/2013 8:00 PM, davehogye wrote: > Joe Curto did my carbs and missed a couple things. I had meticulously cleaned 3 disassembled carbs and sent them to Joe to build a set with the best parts between them. > While tuning I found that the dampers didn't match, one had a long shaft and one short. I also found that one of the pistons was machined to a larger diameter where the damper fits and one of the carbs, after about 300 miles of use, started to leak fuel from the main jet seal. > The problem might be that Joe doesn't actually do the work, but I'm not sure about that. In any event, details were missed. Oh, Joe did send a nice SU coffee mug with the carbs, but unfortunately it was poorly packaged and the handle was broken off during shipping. > > > I had communicated with Paltech before I send mine to Curto. They sure seemed to be on their game and detail oriented. Their polishing is unique. Their price is, if I remember correctly, less than Curto, but not by much. Both are very reasonably priced and about half to 1/3rd the cost of a new set of SUs, depending on HS6s or H6s. The difference in price was probably about the cost of a coffee mug. > > > I checked Ray Marty's website and I think it's a fair bet that Ray will actually be doing the work and to a quality level. One photo on his website shows him milling the carb to manifold gasket surface... Really? The photos remind me of a very detail oriented, shall I say completely annal retentive machinist friend of mine. > > > Dave H. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Redmond" > To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46:07 PM > Subject: [Fot] SU Rebuilder > > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 12 18:18:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F7F40357 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:18:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3F7403B1 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:06:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS41 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:04:55 -0800 From: Marty To: "'J. Wagner'" References: <3B984B9D-3A96-4567-A66F-94F407DC6298@virgin.net> <953C7396-E5E8-4413-A555-AA6E7EB42235@virgin.net> <20131108193809.BC3574352D@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:04:54 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIm1CSP2+A2YAhNLawvzJTqsxmzMgLpyL7gAwW+8MkCivulrwKKV8DOAtO2gbQBpzV3lADqs0YMmO8WVGA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[5D8EC4B0:01CEE00C] Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Reproduction Steering Racks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I pulled down the new rack I purchased from Vicky Brits a few years ago. Unpacked it and sure enough. MADE IN ARGENTINA. It was VB #5-5963. Probably all came from the same source. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 01:49:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DFE403EA for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 01:49:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B054032A for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 01:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [100.168.229.238] (m8b5636d0.tmodns.net [208.54.86.139]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mhi8Z-1W2EMl1ceJ-00MmJs; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:57:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:57:20 -0600 From: The Fooddude To: Jim Norlin , fot@autox.team.net a+eg60MyNJT3GmlymFkRqW6tfk8bolEEM4dphuSuY1gyAsZyd/ N+xsdMwkvbcS4gAhkWRRGLKrPfu+RoabF1s6F5Ptrfsrk8WzIl MNjDrDGwYfTNI0rqBjxB8+9X9rWdAI88Wlo2esYyqQDeINe7LY PtMrw/+mr/HiMsfpRHwaDkJtVRqOhBx/nlFbKAL9/z2WL6o8JX 4OGfN09ppe+cy99wVOt4wRyAZLcH4lg9CRroEIPqRFphiYQhOM jtPSnOUd8Iy7iHJJIUs9Tq52e6OPa5LCD6cPElBzlBgmGAGZcS gCm+WdQ3MGZxu/Yd6ItqWPwnWCnoSSErvOV00A/+rBdqOOKv0S 1+Opnk/seHRhOYBKT3FQIkDmhf30Yy+Ezg= Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Dana at sucarbs.com Sent via and typos courtesy wireless handheld device. -------- Original message -------- From: Jim Norlin Date: 11/11/2013 4:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SU Rebuilder I had Ray Marty, rebuild mine a couple of years ago and I'm very happy with the results. http://www.martyenterprisesoforegon.com/ Jim On 11/11/2013 12:46 PM, Todd Redmond wrote: > FoT, > > > Just finished my first tractor engine build. I'll post a pic on the FoT > Facebook page. > > > Looking for someone to rebuild the SU's. B Who is B recommended? B > British > Classic Motors are away until end of February. B I could wait until then. > B Was just checking on others. > > > > Thanks > > > Todd Redmond > TS #29341 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 13:37:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A06403F1 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:37:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B57340398 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.4]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A52F97015653E for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 55D3AE00008C for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:27:34 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:27:33 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384374454; bh=RTxnitf8uICC61kbzavQpIYnAzmYDIQ/dfbWzqDqyKI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=fPyKkt9K5UpNurgJzzr+Opqn6L68AR3rvjBesnxJ5gxBpOVvORLEU7KMYieZ0+XdP 1YRiOeAMC7cP8HFuWG8e17W+S0K+MfmCdkwsw17TU3ledHHFa8peD9G3JhngPyTMRs XFz30R+NgW4+jZWyP9qRdSnsBTrAj7dJJZ3p96is= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29045283e0b6712f Subject: [Fot] 2015 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Looking forward to a great KCup by Bob Kramer, May of 2014. -------------------------------------------------------------------- FOT! It's not too early to start thinking about proposals for 2015. We need a venue, a sanctioning body, and leadership. Throw some ideas out and Kas and I will put them in the hopper. After a period of time, the choice becomes quite clear, but they need to be put on the table. BTW, had dinner in Las Vegas with our newest Kastner Cup recipient, Ken Knight, while at the SEMA show. The CUP is proudly displayed. Ken finished the season with a hard fought D production win for the year, at Willow Springs, with VARA. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 16:08:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA383403F8 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:08:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D8640398 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU402-EAS241 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:01:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:00:46 -0800 From: horizonracing To: Joe Alexander , fot@autox.team.net FILETIME=[3FCC79A0:01CEE0C4] Subject: Re: [Fot] 2015 Kastner Cup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Coronardo speed festival, San Diego.B You can't beat the weather or location in September ! Tony Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Joe Alexander Date: 11/13/2013 12:38 PM (GMT-08:00) To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 2015 Kastner Cup Looking forward to a great KCup by Bob Kramer, May of 2014. -------------------------------------------------------------------- FOT! It's not too early to start thinking about proposals for 2015. We need a venue, a sanctioning body, and leadership. Throw some ideas out and Kas and I will put them in the hopper. After a period of time, the choice becomes quite clear, but they need to be put on the table. BTW, had dinner in Las Vegas with our newest Kastner Cup recipient, Ken Knight, while at the SEMA show. The CUP is proudly displayed. Ken finished the season with a hard fought D production win for the year, at Willow Springs, with VARA. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 07:47:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C63842F04 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:47:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4356242ADC for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5731 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 2013 14:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2013 14:46:13 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=58329 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Vhh8X-0001hy-F5 for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:46:13 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:46:13 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 07:59:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB6142F0A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:59:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BCD4006D for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0271D7000008B; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 08B8FE000092; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net> From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:54:06 -0600 To: Tony Drews x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384613647; bh=fzyzvoOVr1VGT8cSkHtNusZrPtF6zYsmh6kU6XIxvX0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Y7RTtrPmsmeWh99Zde3tl/UWbWcHLz7DRmLJ+Zt7cQ0JMRXOa5gYdBTDrtwBRCrdg sDLs2AQjsrn03rW9TvLkW3A/hnCXWRVs4KAd946RAcFssWMQsG83lZ81aRook6jStk 7AL61MV5FuJjzSfpZ7LZ+AOONdlqLFCDX2h/Ibx4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29025287870e5627 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. > > It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. > > I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. > > I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 09:01:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1298042F06 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:01:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AB7E942EFB for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:00:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10147 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 2013 15:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2013 15:59:46 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=59921 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1VhiHi-00010K-5f for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:59:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:59:46 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] TR-4 synchro rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who has the good new TR-4 tranny synchro rings? Or, am I better off finding some gently used ones in a pile of disassembled trannies? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 09:02:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C518342F42 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:02:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from tr.ccfot.com (wsip-98-174-80-205.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.205]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F46C42F0E for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:01:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECB0A4C091; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tr.ccfot.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tr.ccfot.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pm26fT0N2+B0; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from HENRYPRECISION (wsip-98-174-80-202.ri.ri.cox.net [98.174.80.202]) (Authenticated sender: yellow04@tr4racer.com) by tr.ccfot.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B1C86A4C08B; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: To: , "Tony Drews" References: <20131116144931.85A1F42F34@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Look at the Stag layshaft arrangement, it doubles up on the roller bearings on one side of the countershaft plus the thrust washers are roller bearings. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 10:45:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3DE42F1C for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:45:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (unknown [65.54.190.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF00A42FB4 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY178-W6 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:55:02 -0800 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Tony Drews , "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:55:02 -0600 References: <20131116145036.9772E4003A@autox.team.net> FILETIME=[97D8CC50:01CEE2EC] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Try Steve Yott - in addition to the bulletproof oil pumps he produces he can modify a laygear to run with an extra bearing. > From: tony@tonydrews.com > Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > > Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to > accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of > my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing > in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, > I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that > can be made there. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 11:03:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAB342F3F for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:03:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A2442EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7B4CE7015EF5A; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dgc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.141]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2671CE000086; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:15:56 -0500 (EST) References: To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net, tony@tonydrews.com From: fubog1 Received: from 98.77.53.196 by webmail-d248.sysops.aol.com (205.188.17.45) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:15:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:15:56 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384622156; bh=aPuxaJx/kAu/09yBSLrVaa1K2R9/k1uy9KdgBJ8XIOE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t7E8V8H81HzK5G6neLh+UwoTsXG56Rh4eiOPYmxOXECimcPbPCs2v9JOgkp+2nd+q tPcYerTvk8OXqGwVOTcuPvE4nIeZJkL/7TLKX5vdUi8tUaGZxl+vvBu3gZuSCGVAKH cHDxlUOCTabmSZ0kebVJBa7peCdnq7N9AhTiy29Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495287a84c1e2d Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah what Henry said... I recently got one (17 tooth) from John Esposito, with bearings fitted, at a decent price. Glen -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com> To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>; Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 11:02 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Look at the Stag layshaft arrangement, it doubles up on the roller bearings on one side of the countershaft plus the thrust washers are roller bearings. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 12:45:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5C742F08 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:45:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2AF42F0E for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:10:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id t7so3178671qeb.10 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:09:49 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Q6NhQPjHQuJppOGyq59PiuUW8nR7ChEUjGoFvURLej0=; b=tQ9FuZDacV2ZmzGgtc6Hs+1fd3Yz5u62DUU0PczTyOVhzKk0L3d7134EWw/DBuFkYJ Wvti79G7EiRdr96w1A+cxxLjbxv0WEwL7Fews2+9tke5NLE9kfICfFJhBbDg3qWe55pI VFPlzDxEXNerlNiS/FTBiesUkvx81U4OXFLcgFWYqHeGwEOcKkbnQ2UmezOn9vKVBYEc kQTGHlOtpKaZKRYrgJAr88MBG0bA0dWatAjx17/oG7Tg56UKc+r3Qtw8x/YXe/toVE6H oyraoj4UeJ14aZVxlA1cieLtZpDN9T+i9YLdZjSpuEEqqBjuo8FTydOiqYiZM031fT7z pgrw== jy18mr21490054qeb.65.1384628988923; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.199.131 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: Kas Kastner Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:09:07 -0800 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Road America & the K Cup race Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John Seaman has made a great 70 minute video of the races and interviews with shots of lots of the cars and interesting views and bits. If you would like to see this DVD contact John Seaman at: *jcman22@charter.net .* It is good stuff*.* *Never be beaten by equipment.* _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 13:07:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F75442F35 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:07:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415B342F08 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3A08F700000B5; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DB282E0000B2; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:06:14 -0500 (EST) References: From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:06:11 -0600 To: Kas Kastner x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384632375; bh=VvhuMbJUerBXquNNGkqkk4bLYMGi+PYms4B7LBwecxA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=EjzS+0XhFd9OJuaCkREPxS9Dkbh3JwWqvt5WwnEt3I9FG0/Zy+hRNtiZPhnpUVR6e ne6Z/LjE/8xbbBntbf2LAg3+OJxpmIL8wGjYktG7aBIMBqGrgwIzATFyLXLFFouS9n UgpVDNaNLV5T/KstRK07d2nFohArDs/TFD6FEWoA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c55287d0360fe4 Cc: "jcman22@charter.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Fot] Road America & the K Cup race....DVD available by next week. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT: Kas is correct. It's a good video. But ordering can be done through me. (I forgot to tell Kas) I am bring them into Iowa and distributing them from here to for ease of distribution to the FOT, by prior arrangement with John Seaman. John is making up 50 DVDs this weekend for shipment to me. Be looking for order details appearing on our website. No, the videos are not a profit center, for us, but while you are in the website, you might look at the new silicone gaskets, among other things. The website is The-vintage-racer.com The cost will be $18 per video, including packing and postage. Payment can be done by PayPal or credit card through our new website. John Seaman and I are hoping that we will distribute 100 or more. John put a lot of effort into covering the FOT from track to trackside and the Gathering On The Green. I think everyone makes an appearance and is identified in the DVD. The interviews are special with Kas, Johns, and Fowler. Joe Alexander Sent from my iPad > On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > John Seaman has made a great 70 minute video of the races and interviews > with shots of lots of the cars and interesting views and bits. If you would > like to see this DVD contact John Seaman at: *jcman22@charter.net > .* It is good stuff*.* > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 16:20:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539B742F29 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:20:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE3342F15 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:20:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.2]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 78CAC700000AE; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 768E7E00008D; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:19:33 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384643978; bh=x6lhZQ1ZKk08YmypQgBZ4EU6xijxOZPxhZJiuTqBs9g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=aa4Ch5DUdAXSobVe1cI2HdeV6bgUbOnNxNzBKV5bJoN3HjsEt76sNNQP4Ajg794ON 6BLZXhGU5seIjTugYnMEzJpWSL/e8c87y7JETG+dazuRADDpK71DZN1shWTdfnOOG4 irRw6x1/Ay+kJPot51oDkEzdnDAQOPrmj8SnKRQI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29025287fd895652 Cc: markarthuralexander@gmail.com, "" Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 DVD By John Seaman Productions. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT You saw Kastner Cup 2012 on John Clancy's "California Air", last year at Road Atlanta. Now it's the Kastner Cup 2013 with John Seaman Productions at Road America. See website below for ordering. (VSCDA's Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival) The-vintage-racer.com This will give you order details and methods of payment. Click on Kastner Cup 2013 DVD Do the shopping cart thing....you know the drill. But do us a favor. Take time to look at Gasket Innovations for your valve cover applications. It's a new category. Might as well ship you one of those, too, at the same time. Thanks.....allow a little time for shipping. It's going to be busy here for awhile. Thanks, Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 18:40:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5D942F1D for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:40:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661E742F15 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 18:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qRYk1m0040mv7h054RfK3q; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:39:19 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qRfJ1m00h1EiJYf3XRfJSL; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:39:19 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: "Joe Alexander" , "Tony Drews" References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net> <19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:39:32 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384652359; bh=zuIBN3GK8dL3a74FAhzor80Ay6TmRIibE/CxOAS+Tu8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kguWV3DmbCFii3b7IdMs96vixkGtruxx23dWLbRQoD85jAot+LxtNUva51T3Jhp3N xM/C4oVid5qlEenQ8Bt3KuwPV0W2Y6RZMCuuQpi+aIu+J5Yf1n3SOMUaLCiWO8Sjqq //oyTzp+wg9bMyz4ijXBzgRqwzyPAVTl5+tRgJPmDSLlHX8CA6Jjned6hvxxDGbyoJ eapfU7uUtS5sQ4pA6phrgDQoSG7WizPg4qfnn1XAgqwXNSR6LNGUqsWyveKVLKNnXV u/qr1tCdF9SP68ZCFQVI7SaghZ9yT6JoxzsWLl7moYkmaHZkR93FXQJnTbzqmyVmx9 ZZXJ9xwLngv5w== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my > transmission > failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft > assembly. > Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if > there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a > buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had >> a > weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the > overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle > jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 20:16:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DE642F35 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:16:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6238A42F19 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qT7M1m0010xGWP85BTFH9f; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 03:15:17 +0000 Received: from ComputerPC ([71.60.181.57]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qTFH1m00F1EiJYf3YTFHws; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 03:15:17 +0000 From: "Stutzmans" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" , "Joe Alexander" , "Tony Drews" References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> <6DEAB010690249D3B7CD88884909E8CE@UserTHINK> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:15:30 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384658117; bh=hgK9U1/6baVk4QI5IkqVpw1kSfZSx8Ih1SgGfaB1Xd4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QpQ8loKcs4iA8OshkUN1l7czAvyRo+G3SvTeYVSSLTEFXaQEfuZZjDppsLowDhh2R U14kYtPuC4gWOJuUnXYPo7mXexLSpC81yXfz603EKKcfrduUSqyOIdo/sxABDgqDxN Fa6QUpsiPWk4LR+VhgKvoUYOkjlyhq1zQDsCECPTMZhVxcA0r3+dVHOwR52uqxHR1y MaPGM9CSP237fV1qLJOe/MCg0mOmCCPEaE0JuEdky7zmB3jdwFd/Ai/UFzVzL+A23J N47qEZhpSiw3jFJamij+lgkXvoSeK4Qdp8ZzitG0EzWa6/4pamCfJX64AtuZnCSucY Oxznf5qlf6Q7Q== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It was too hard to grind! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Stutzmans" ; "Joe Alexander" ; "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? >I think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to machine, a >good grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stutzmans > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:39 PM > To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > > At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify > it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: "Tony Drews" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > > >> Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept >> larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my >> transmission >> failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft >> assembly. >> Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if >> there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >>> >>> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a >> buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >>> >>> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also >>> had a >> weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the >> overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >>> >>> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what >>> uncle >> jack's tranny parts stash includes. >>> >>> Cheers, Tony Drews >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 21:50:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B22142F35 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:50:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F0142EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:48:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131117020834765.USDK6185@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 02:08:34 +0000 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=zB9c-D_oiokA:10 a=sSsqtijmmdcA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=p299-R7v2G0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=Zxsa-38Z0ZwBD-oD940A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:58260] helo=UserTHINK) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 40/2F-07922-5E428825; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 02:07:33 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Stutzmans" , "Joe Alexander" , "Tony Drews" References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:07:47 -0500 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to machine, a good grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:39 PM To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my > transmission > failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft > assembly. > Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if > there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a > buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had >> a > weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the > overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle > jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 21:57:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FE42F4D for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:57:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDCE42EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.53]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131116222359402.EFHR14294@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:23:59 +0000 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:17 a=e4F3oT5d7OUA:10 a=sSsqtijmmdcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=p299-R7v2G0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=cdprqb3YV40v5IRzfisA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Xp406AzTGJcobuwe:21 a=izO_1jFjSX6z_nfG:21 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:117 Received: from [75.86.187.21] ([75.86.187.21:65352] helo=HPLaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 62/B2-01931-240F7825; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:22:58 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20131116145034.1B49542F1B@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:22:52 -0600 Thread-Index: AQFlG180agBmzbrFyE1puo4TOYM+H5r7/Cxw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, It is very rare to have a front bearing fail since there is very little load on the front of the laygear. I build laygears with the dual rear bearing setup and also repair worn out laygears by machining in sleeves. You could use the longer 1" bearing in the front which would add a slight bit more capability. The bearing number for the 1" bearing would be a B-1316 instead of the standard B-1314. This should work without any additional machining. If you would like to have a dual rear bearing feel free to contact me off list. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:46 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 23:13:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB09842F3C for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:13:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8B42F19 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:12:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 394F47016078D; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (adsl-71-154-211-78.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net [71.154.211.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B51B3E0000BC; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:12:03 -0500 (EST) References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net> <19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> From: Chuck Gee Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:12:01 -0800 To: Stutzmans x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384668724; bh=uChQoaRCRgIu46gKZidTcI7f9Xt4Kq8xmrvgt3mvwoI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=pYyHmCF56HSr1VH4fvoDZoO97u2vbXQBrgP0bltwscnmZcYplQ7NmRnaMPcWuI6NF /JJGEQeqBilwBpVsAJI/3J/mWiy2AlULXFx9lG0nZgCjNJT0xqglP6AarLdZtU3gbq Lwlo4Xs7e0HFCHsBeL8Cz8TCrNmdUAkca8XkV7wQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290552885e330a48 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Did it on a lathe with normal tooling. No problem. Chuck > On Nov 16, 2013, at 5:39 PM, "Stutzmans" wrote: > > At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" > To: "Tony Drews" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > > >> Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept >> larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my transmission >> failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft assembly. >> Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if >> there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >>> >>> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a >> buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >>> >>> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a >> weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the >> overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >>> >>> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle >> jack's tranny parts stash includes. >>> >>> Cheers, Tony Drews >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 00:19:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635EF42F3E for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 00:19:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail104.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail104.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F1742F19 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 00:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from geoffPC (c220-239-97-219.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.97.219]) (Authenticated sender: gkbyrne@optusnet.com.au) by mail104.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 53898421E58; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:18:19 +1100 (EST) From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20131116144952.D4551400A5@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:18:17 +1100 Thread-Index: AQGqAXxtRy74ExgrssqEQooVqyl+mppyxZYA Content-Language: en-au a=n/CIiUKuP8r6VOFQHWj+kw==:117 a=n/CIiUKuP8r6VOFQHWj+kw==:17 a=PO7r1zJSAAAA:8 a=sSsqtijmmdcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lojdg71KAAAA:8 a=p299-R7v2G0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=qR6Hw75Fn1t7Xlpwd5AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony I build lots of TR boxes mainly for racing and I always replace the needle roller bearing on the lay shaft with a hand made bronze bush with an internal and external oil scroll. With the needle roller bearings when they fail (and they will) you will have a catastrophic failure especially in a racing application. With the bronze bearing you will never have a catastrophic failure just progressive wear. I get two seasons of racing from the bronze bushes doing about ten race meetings a year Regards Geoff Byrne TR racer down under -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:46 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne@optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 05:21:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469D442F4D for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:21:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE1242ADC for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:21:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.77.73]) by icp-osb-irony-out8.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2013 20:20:39 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20131116145014.369F64003A@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:20:35 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac7i2w6K6lbZu1XoQq2QBQv9LdXAvwAsyMFg Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, You can purchase a modified Countershaft Gear Set form Rimmer Brothers. Moss probably have them as well? It is already machined to accept 2 bearings at one end. All the hard work has been done. Also, if your gearbox has the needle roller bearings that are captive in a steel outer. Get rid of this design and use the TR6 style of 'open' bearing. The early style of bearing with the steel outer will allow wear material and debris in the oil to locate inside this design bearing and cause premature failure. Not a good design. All the gear boxes I build I change to the later open style bearing and haven't had an issue as long as you regularly change the transmission fluid etc. Especially true if you have an Overdrive attached where you are now introducing wear material from the lining in the OD. I just freshened up a friend racing gearbox after 10 years of competition running with a J type OD attached. Lay shaft only had a few thousands of an inch wear. Hope that helps? Cheers... "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:46 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. Cheers, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 05:22:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6CC42F54 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:22:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out8.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4199F42ADC for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:22:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.77.73]) by icp-osb-irony-out8.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2013 20:21:54 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20131116160200.70DA142EFB@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:21:50 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac7i5RgYVy9rgcuGQ4WY2yFGQGskZAAqlsGQ Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 synchro rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, I use the 'High Quality' ones from Rimmer Brothers. Well made and haven't had an issue with these ones. All the right dimensions! Cheers... "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 3:00 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR-4 synchro rings Who has the good new TR-4 tranny synchro rings? Or, am I better off finding some gently used ones in a pile of disassembled trannies? Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 07:20:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A51442F2F for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:20:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5282142EEA for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 920F67018958C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dgc003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.137]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 49FCDE000081 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: REK46@aol.com Full-name: REK46 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384697968; bh=mKsqRemUTGqvN5hMTm/1niQ2+OdDNEI/nxhl+i4uw/Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dLW5rh7OplQhVC3R1d22f60wEVWcPvbAkyRkS95IL3jjv7o1hYZW4tgiROWfdDJG5 u3Dlx8mzHoIwPBqs9p5fCeHqSoPRLRKOB1Z2Mcpwk0DxhqSNf5fEF6i1yPdclhSiH9 yP4koHDx3/XtpzLK0RTiHMBOCtGwErAaRoj1ephE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33895288d0704857 Subject: [Fot] wheel spacer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for a wheel spacer to fit front GT-6 hub...aluminum, .250" thick , OD at 5.5" , 3 3/4" bolt pattern...if anyone has any they care to part with,pls contact me ...( I had a set,but lent them out and forgot whom )...Thanks, Rick _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 08:06:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5713742F4C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:06:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1485540548 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.196]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5A4FC70040AB4 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 2D0CDE0000BB; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:03:44 -0500 (EST) References: <60fba.4292f80e.3fba2a70@aol.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:03:38 -0600 To: "REK46@aol.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384700625; bh=VHXYBZ4EPBs+GKVJtivCf0JT05nLLVc8v69ktfgsLeo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=L1Vd6aID/sNI3DVRmC/kxHUIjxiF34L9pTgK3FHmWegwqp1k9LaCXubtbhMjNa9oQ 3RogFAvPpk3bkaWHG4fHres11TgFBaD5wYouA7jIv6gzbn1xVwxhJS7S5qq3mken73 SxkuNypRM9E+yiJHpmQA6MgnAMde91a0AuUssEGE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c45288dad04146 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] wheel spacer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We have them for Spitfire, Gt6, Tr3-Tr6 Joe Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:19 AM, REK46@aol.com wrote: > > Looking for a wheel spacer to fit front GT-6 hub...aluminum, .250" thick , > OD at 5.5" , 3 3/4" bolt pattern...if anyone has any they care to part > with,pls contact me ...( I had a set,but lent them out and forgot whom > )...Thanks, Rick > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 14:13:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B1D40418 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:13:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D299640395 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:13:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31992 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 2013 21:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2013 21:12:53 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=63781 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi9eG-0005B4-QV for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:12:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:12:52 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] TR-4/6 tranny - 16 vs 17 tooth layshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I find I am (was) running a 17 tooth layshaft. The spares I'm laying my hands on are 16 tooth. I know the first gear would be different between the two set ups. Is there any advantage to 16 tooth vs 17 tooth? Seems like 2nd, 3rd and 4th would be the same ratio regardless... Thanks in advance. Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 15:14:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A14740418 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:14:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0894006C; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131117221027.HYSM6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:10:27 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.248.126]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id qmAS1m00F2kNDRN05mATJZ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:10:27 -0500 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:17 a=FtzfK-18wKcA:10 a=vWorQbRN9ucA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=TL-oBy4L-3oA:10 a=MXF3k6cnM4KKfvGJ4d0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:117 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:10:27 -0500 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Friends of triumph , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] A-Type O/D Conversion Shift Tower Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi All I'm converting an early TR6 Trans to Overdrive. The issue I'm having is drilling and tapping the shift tower for the lock out switches. The installed back up lamp switch has a thread pitch of 2mm per my thread gauge and the O.D. is just shy of 16 mm. I'm assuming a 16mm x 2 tap. Is this correct? The second issue I'm having is the oil pump plunger refuses to come out of the housing. The eccentric on the output shaft was completely worn out. I'm guessing there's an issue there. Any suggestions for removal? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 15:20:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F268542F2F for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:20:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB00D403C5 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:20:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id t60so512832wes.3 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:19:53 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TFvzroTtrQVhShD4BCDSag2lw2g4VEdKY12yhqxoCL0=; b=fmHiYBzHB/16gYTMfl3GsA3Y+giWz01tdCy8Y+jl/ksfu4sUR/w13cpDiOvzC4qKRY /+H7bGdMtbfZ577Owjl+3nFtxPYQ34bIMDX1Gv4eMihG6E7yZh6Zvd64UfEutITZRi3h U2Z3M+XcNmUiGGkJQ3qK7Kf8cK2WcIiGcCm9gHqK8pkEEYMfP0ujmBxmZIlHjKzV5rMI Pv1Nt004/l3NAcYEcpNODNJGUjMGm2Q0GVtiV8mjEAV3lXJ9aK+PKD9TT3H5nJe0SNK3 avWOrjqYnp2o96aPUzIGsxn8hDmGrmYgk+mi09eD21O1CkvULKeR2EaSuWYEwS5wscru Z5OA== m4mr14665999wiw.59.1384726792865; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.142.76 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:19:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:19:32 +1000 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i have been doing this for almost 30 years. my expereince tells me the casues are a) is the needle bearings are too small in diameter for the loads being imposed b) the factory layshaft metallurgy is all wrong,. with a soft centre and hard shell there are several options with the factory TR cluster, depending how bad it is 1) the damaged cluster gear is ground out (not machined, but ground with a tool-post grinder) and a longer + slightly larger bronze (not brass) bush is used. if its a race car, use a floating bush with a narrow spiral oil groove cut on both sides. on a stock road car, the bush can be pressed into the cluster and it will be fractionally quieter in use that way. When this box was created for 50HP Standards, they used bronze bushes. 2) the damaged cluster gear is ground out as above and a longer + slightly larger cased need bearing is used. these are getting hard to find due to the "odd" size of the stock cluster shaft. 3) a minimally damaged cluster shaft can sometimes be saved by the above process and a stock sized, but outer cased bearing is used If you want a 100% never-fail-in-racing, then i use taper roller bearings at both ends. I first did this about 25 years ago and never had one fail. BUT, it is a huge endeavour and not justified for a road car (but i have it in my TR5). it can be done with both Overdrive and non overdrive boxes the best solution for a road car or occasional track day car is to swap to the Stag gearbox . These have a double bearing at the 1st gear end standard and the cluster gear is bigger in diameter at that point, so the bearing is bigger. they also have needle roller thrust washers, but that's not important. You need a stag case and cluster gear and late model mainshaft 1st gear to make this happen. There are a few internal changes with Stag boxes but generally all the TR stuff swaps in . i'll post up some pics on my work web site or facebook page and let you all know when i've done that Terry Road and Track 66 Pine Mountain Road North Ipswich, 4305 Queensland, AUSTRALIA ph 07-32018866 fax 07-32017079 www.roadandtrack.net.au http://www.facebook.com/RoadAndTrack1 [image: facebook] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 15:29:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4066D42F2F for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED70403C5; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:24:31 -0700 (MST) a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:17 a=e4F3oT5d7OUA:10 a=otQD-KvwmCIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=GTUmqPsqhfYA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=2THkCTD4XuTxWPP378cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:117 Received: from [75.86.187.21] ([75.86.187.21:62000] helo=HPLaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0F/EA-09301-9E149825; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 22:23:37 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Glenn Franco'" , "'Friends of triumph'" , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <52893ED3.6000906@charter.net> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:23:31 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIsZ1nPYIoQ67/mwgbeDi5qIHqon5lu+ArA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type O/D Conversion Shift Tower Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Glen, Correct, the new switches are metric and use a 16mm x2 thread. The older switches use a 5/8-11 imperial thread. On the oil pump are you working with an "A" or "J" type? Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 4:10 PM To: Friends of triumph; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A-Type O/D Conversion Shift Tower Issue Hi All I'm converting an early TR6 Trans to Overdrive. The issue I'm having is drilling and tapping the shift tower for the lock out switches. The installed back up lamp switch has a thread pitch of 2mm per my thread gauge and the O.D. is just shy of 16 mm. I'm assuming a 16mm x 2 tap. Is this correct? The second issue I'm having is the oil pump plunger refuses to come out of the housing. The eccentric on the output shaft was completely worn out. I'm guessing there's an issue there. Any suggestions for removal? Thanks in advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 15:45:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8021F42F33 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:45:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478D7403C5 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.4]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id EF8A770000099 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7CA1FE0000A2 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:43:58 -0500 (EST) References: <6cb0fc1e.1600a3.1426808ae04.Webtop.43@charter.net> From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:43:55 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384728238; bh=Ydyn/Rx6UdcHRe+R0N5p4abFaEevK5OBmyNjJzykSJk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=kwcmRrNPPZ1zEG2Gky3nrrv2O3RlRJPEctTTh7teD60Yb2n1NPhJH35z7jgDQmbEg EwXV3iMIdvNx/64PxCZVxgEusoM5qIM90OsprYad5uZb6zHc4MOOn92+wWwbtVovoE Bft3/Q9oW1/5ppseDh89TdC3nyyQlropRVVN4tAU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2904528946ae49fc Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2013 DVD Video Teaser File Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Can you guys open this? John Seaman sent this. He is preparing 50 DVDs and posting them on Monday. Should be shipping by Wednesday. Order from: the-vintage-racer.com Thanks.... Joe Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: John Seaman > Date: November 17, 2013 at 3:47:48 PM CST > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: RE: Kastner Cup 2013 DVD Video Teaser File > > Hi Joe, > > I made a 5 minute teaser video for your website. If the 673 MB 720P file is too large for your website, I can make a lower definition version. Here is the link to my dropbox folder. You should be able to view and copy it from there. If it doesn't work, let me know. I sent you an invite to the folder also. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/ye1dpgfy37z0v6b/2013%20ELVF%20-%20Triumps%20Teaser% 20Video.mpg > > > I will ship you 50 ELVF - Triumph DVDs as agreed for $550.00 total, and I will pay the shipping. I plan on sending the by USPS tomorrow. I will email you the tracking #, and will insure them. > > I guess I would prefer you send me a check for the total, rather than PayPal. > > > thanks, > John Seaman > 456 Bluebird Ln > Sheboygan Falls, WI 53085 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 17:36:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F22403CF for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:36:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499B4403C5 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:36:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so5980502pbc.32 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:35:24 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=yiQnUBXAX/tyH9nS6Br9vfQrGYGPX0jASsHFMCn07H8=; b=E2bmJBbtTjSV9ZgG/D/Fm8jTW+GIWG2cyjGKPndRXO405lYOZMw5FoCsuVzFXKwtCJ K8nkwSAwpwv5F5Kc9hqml55gnlY0a4T4cDY3AY5utqy55GWY6hpoD4FbzEYvqoyqacNw Rd7D8uew18qL+xe53p+XYOT5Hrc0/9EFtNx3Js23XUSGrf4+RoLW5/u6XdpO/4DamNoD +Ko+rKOE1KDp53EaPGahjdBUqdPkXWc8jMv1AaflLozu9T6cQ2rmDw6VAKlr92O+iG6Y LAlO8SxvZgHH/z+AsCpjGJ/4U08Xtr1+93/bfh0hqD4PTrUfZGIPUOVaDwt8uG0UG6Pf PhWw== tb9mr18793517pac.38.1384734924404; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (udp235334uds.hawaiiantel.net. [72.234.40.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xe9sm22033609pab.0.2013.11.17.16.35.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Babcock Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:35:19 -1000 References: <6cb0fc1e.1600a3.1426808ae04.Webtop.43@charter.net> <7735E795-85AD-48C1-98E3-31534F6CBA86@cs.com> To: Joe Alexander Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2013 DVD Video Teaser File Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, but like most long URLs it winds up with funny breaks in the middle. Try this: http://bit.ly/I0kJzt On Nov 17, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > 20Video.mpg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 18:48:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D00542F3C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:48:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4FE403C6 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:47:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.140]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1FD187003F613; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dtd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.137]) by mtaomg-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7BF77E000083; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:46:28 -0500 (EST) References: <6cb0fc1e.1600a3.1426808ae04.Webtop.43@charter.net> <7735E795-85AD-48C1-98E3-31534F6CBA86@cs.com> To: billb@bnj.com, n197tr4@cs.com Received: from 67.140.222.115 by webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:46:27 -0500 From: Bruce Lapierre Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:46:28 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384739189; bh=5uzquVYusIbBHAf11re7xzwdqFTrUvIDqBJ/IHEpeWo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fBXt0vwRClPiVgtDCRIy0AtQhoYn6ZwJEPYmoDKFXcOPn+bL2HIZbNHGAv2dQNfVS HxOhBFhqSLV6a9rRkrcJuSNu6r1hy7m0s3eov1GNF0/95Nm2QDg6b/xmSlCfHiP87I pV+qkWsuWKIOzOA1HwGRTUZ/Q95DAjraP9aU0S/I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338c528971747aa0 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2013 DVD Video Teaser File Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bill - this link worked great -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Joe Alexander Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2013 DVD Video Teaser File Yeah, but like most long URLs it winds up with funny breaks in the middle. Try his: http://bit.ly/I0kJzt n Nov 17, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > 20Video.mpg ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 07:07:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FF742F60 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 07:07:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e7.ny.us.ibm.com (e7.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E47403E2 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 07:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from /spool/local by e7.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:06:19 -0500 Received: from b01cxnp23033.gho.pok.ibm.com (b01cxnp23033.gho.pok.ibm.com [9.57.198.28]) by d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697466E803A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by b01cxnp23033.gho.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id rAIE6ITA61276394 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:06:18 GMT Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id rAIE6IxM007593 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0500 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id rAIE6IBS007588 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net From: George Harmuth Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:06:16 -0500 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 11/18/2013 09:06:17 x-cbid: 13111814-5806-0000-0000-0000237431B6 Subject: [Fot] Thompson Speedway progress pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Several Historic Racing Group members attended the SCCA NER conference Saturday at Thompson Speedway in Ct. For those of you who haven't heard, Thompson, which has a long history as a race venue, has only been using the paved oval track at the facility for years. The old road course was not used and had fallen into disrepair. Last year it was announced they they were converting the site to a drivers club and they have revived and updated the 1.7 mile road course. The project is funded and proceeding forward, a good deal of the work has been started with the first race scheduled for next July as a combined VRG - VSCCA event. SCCA will also have a few events next year too. We were broken up into 4 groups and given a track walk, my group's guide was Mike Rand, who was the GM at Limerock for years and still active racer. Although I didn't have my camera with me when I took the walk, I was able to drive around the track afterwards and take some pictures. Pictures Here Click on a picture and use the arrows on the right and left to scroll through them. New track map here >From my drive around I wasn't able to get any shots of the big sweeper, turn 4 that will take you under a new paddock access bridge and into the oval area. The Oval section of the track will not use any of the banking, the track is too rough, but will be a new section of pavement added to the lower inside of the oval, through turns 3 and 4 and exit to the viewing berm (must be 25 feet high, will be a great spot to watch from) just before turn 2 of the oval. The track looks like it will be fun to drive, fair amount of twisty parts and some technical areas that should make good passing zones. This looks like it's being built right, with input being requested from the SCCA and other experts, for things like flag station locations and the best way to configure the paved areas for efficient use. One good thing for the big bore guys is, as of now, there are no noise limits. A track has existed here since the 40's and is grandfathered in. That may change, but for now it's good news. mike h 63 spit race car G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 08:39:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2990D42F5A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:39:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from e39.co.us.ibm.com (e39.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75FE40557 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from /spool/local by e39.co.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Violators will be prosecuted; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:38:16 -0700 Received: from b01cxnp22033.gho.pok.ibm.com (b01cxnp22033.gho.pok.ibm.com [9.57.198.23]) by d01dlp02.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B2D6E8040 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (d01av05.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.195]) by b01cxnp22033.gho.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id rAIFcFdt55378130 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:38:16 GMT Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id rAIFcFCx000409 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:38:15 -0500 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id rAIFcFIP000406; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:38:15 -0500 References: To: "Robert M. Lang" From: George Harmuth Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:38:14 -0500 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 11/18/2013 10:38:15 x-cbid: 13111815-9332-0000-0000-00000231807F Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Thompson Speedway progress pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've been told the link to the Thompson speedway pictures is broken, try these Track pics: http://s32.photobucket.com/user/harmug/library/Thompson%20Speedway%20Nov%202013 Track map: http://www.thompsonspeedway.com/new-track.php thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 11:56:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAEE403E3 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:56:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D7742EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:48:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131117040540751.BOVY6315@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:05:40 +0000 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:17 a=e4F3oT5d7OUA:10 a=sSsqtijmmdcA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=p299-R7v2G0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=JgDzHEH6aqe7vW1xy7IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=4JpDE3Xc1JUA:10 a=H-1OojNliOYMVzrt:21 a=3aqHTEUMQUslWnHe:21 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:117 Received: from [75.86.187.21] ([75.86.187.21:55460] helo=HPLaptop) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 19/C6-00722-35048825; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:04:35 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Stutzmans'" , "'Jerry Van Vlack'" , "'Joe Alexander'" , "'Tony Drews'" References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> <6DEAB010690249D3B7CD88884909E8CE@UserTHINK> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:04:29 -0600 Thread-Index: AQGiYC7QBUQ7BEA7n/MFHPJrjJc2kQIT8hb0Af7W9B4BvqKxXAFR97T9mki33oA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have excellent results machining the laygears using a diamond bit at high speeds on the lathe. I can also bore out destroyed laygears and press in a sleeve which I then machine to accept a pair of the caged roller bearings B-1314. I have many of these modified laygears running for a number of years. Machinists a like doctors... there are always many opinions. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stutzmans Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:16 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Joe Alexander; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? It was too hard to grind! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Stutzmans" ; "Joe Alexander" ; "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? >I think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to >machine, a good grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stutzmans > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:39 PM > To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > > At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could > modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: "Tony Drews" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > > >> Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to >>> accept >> larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my >> transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in >> the layshaft assembly. >> Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see >> if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >>> >>> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - >>> with a >> buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >>> >>> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. >>> Also had a >> weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in >> the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >>> >>> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what >>> uncle >> jack's tranny parts stash includes. >>> >>> Cheers, Tony Drews >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 11:57:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705E542EF0 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:57:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail110.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail110.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E806142EF5 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 00:28:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from geoffPC (c220-239-97-219.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.97.219]) (Authenticated sender: gkbyrne@optusnet.com.au) by mail110.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 40D5D781A85; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:27:39 +1100 (EST) From: "Geoff Byrne" To: "'Jerry Van Vlack'" , "'Stutzmans'" , "'Joe Alexander'" , "'Tony Drews'" References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> <6DEAB010690249D3B7CD88884909E8CE@UserTHINK> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:27:38 +1100 Thread-Index: AQGiYC7QBUQ7BEA7n/MFHPJrjJc2kQIT8hb0Af7W9B4BvqKxXJpTgNyg Content-Language: en-au a=n/CIiUKuP8r6VOFQHWj+kw==:117 a=n/CIiUKuP8r6VOFQHWj+kw==:17 a=PO7r1zJSAAAA:8 a=sSsqtijmmdcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lojdg71KAAAA:8 a=p299-R7v2G0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=_2v2Eb2dQ1jT-9Mts6EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've also looked into this and the problem is holding the hub to accurately grind it Geoff Byrne -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:08 PM To: Stutzmans; Joe Alexander; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? I think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to machine, a good grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:39 PM To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my > transmission > failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft > assembly. > Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if > there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a > buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had >> a > weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the > overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle > jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne@optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 16:39:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CACA40422 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:39:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D28C40401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:39:29 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=GTUmqPsqhfYA:10 a=gUm-fJVlAAAA:20 a=du76PAf6AAAA:20 a=qVpLD2-67VqLfldFCfUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=ySZAjFBlykUA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:40440] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 33/E4-00722-6F4AA825; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:38:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:38:30 +0000 From: Randall To: Glenn Franco , Friends of triumph Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type O/D Conversion Shift Tower Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net > The second issue I'm having is the oil pump plunger refuses to come out > of the housing. > The eccentric on the output shaft was completely worn out. I'm guessing > there's an issue there. > Any suggestions for removal? Make certain you remove the check valve in the side first ! Here's my version of the process that Larry & Sam (& Nelson) wrote up: http://tinyurl.com/oy38gvh Once the body was touching the piece of steel, I added a big socket as a spacer and pulled some more. Takes quite a bit of force, but it will move. If you wanted you could probably heat the housing up and make it pull easier. Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 21:56:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286E042F4D for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:56:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm47-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm47-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34155403F6 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:51:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm47.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 04:50:47 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.78] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 04:50:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp235.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 04:50:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384836647; bh=mRPINNB0pY5Yh/eJRZvtOuLriVNR7fdOYqNeLcHsu2Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=sLXvq16TidwN9lxkgaiRZ1dm9QN488K7WdiVow6M3caRkm/fj5haE5urWKgqPxkuQnQFCf2KwQSj0JFdxu0gvVQw7O5bHGMxuo6MKNUdNKNfqFnSeUfgFNco/3py/GYVCfQ8YmRZxjbFkRKMW/RcJdq94SiJp+7wW3utHkzOPjI= u7b_WOyXSxgIs_1ia0IJpQqWcAfGOt..uCDqCxsueq.4Fb2c2cFgJ_Q_5f2x M9MyIJ3teCbX.OLtuUQI60laqRhBGcFlIjjTer_Y69V0Z_WpL5.lI3pkx1km JvMASUG8k3jV3OAfTD6dL1t67kHC.B4KxO53w9HLgIw7nC_vQLrN.LFtXtdY 2OAoEIhDvFO_po48SxVfkiTM7HCcKKkvU4IUgKC6rwK90VNqvjG51FDyERTK UxhXSQsnQgYm5hxkdpsHq2nZXhLcrBW2aPY2EgwtQhiHsiUXcWbUu7pnLBaE Cb2izEHqU1zQ2ctzqxud2SdEECt9EI4UaDVPlh14Cli2t4lPQcjye0wvNHch O15JTSt2uSx7gz0MuC6F9.vW0OHtSxxlx.nvX8U0Tvhrt.RlYcufR8eGbVJA AfDWlPpUprYjLAU3xA.plvrIgguFQ0U_DNJB7sMvbxZOca4fPw2HUC8NXslL 9QktgIH.96sGxQZ0wkQ7oYo9AN1xpuhUBBnbXMEyDFK7SUrNSYVAL_KHXBlh Jm.hJ58crxcAnLD9HPbOM0O.aqkuFH3a84RN94S7LJWfSWdFcJBYn1yHDStu KXirp2fo1E3ULuQ8KNaYC9gPIC9r_m0cV13LErRhIACJT6saeG4Dv2rGb4g2 9zWF_085Eve3OdSloRgPj9_1W2zjMYMI55kKgbqBLL8x8WPTrQpWqxI3QzKa TDue1mTuctSqO504CRGCm5bpjHksowpYWfmQA0QmLE5IOM8wmq1dMeobXaIG h9nIxFp.yUWg6dzvhYZYtK0NrNjA7pD.dq8aVdAOS_BEskUmjqI0hriIlMUI ooQ-- with ) by smtp235.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 04:50:47 +0000 UTC References: From: Jaxon Racing Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:50:45 -0500 To: George Harmuth Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Thompson Speedway progress pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have had the opportunity to drive the track (less the oval) a couple times and It looks like it will be a fun track. The original dog leg at end of straight was changed to a decreasing radius turn at end of straight that should make for a great braking zone and passing area . Mike did they confirm the date of the VRG event? And any indicator if SCCA cars will be "allowed" to participate thst weekend? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:38 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > I've been told the link to the Thompson speedway pictures is broken, try > these > Track pics: > > http://s32.photobucket.com/user/harmug/library/Thompson%20Speedway%20Nov%2020 13 > > Track map: > http://www.thompsonspeedway.com/new-track.php > > thanks > mike > > > G. 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Violators will be prosecuted; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:48:10 -0500 Received: from b01cxnp22033.gho.pok.ibm.com (b01cxnp22033.gho.pok.ibm.com [9.57.198.23]) by d01dlp03.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C009C90045 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by b01cxnp22033.gho.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id rAJDm9kL44040338 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:48:09 GMT Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id rAJDm85T025512 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:48:08 -0500 Received: from d01ml099.pok.ibm.com (d01ml099.pok.ibm.com [9.63.8.34]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id rAJDm8mR025492; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:48:08 -0500 References: To: Jaxon Racing From: George Harmuth Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 08:48:07 -0500 ZX853FP2HF5|February, 2013) at 11/19/2013 08:48:08 x-cbid: 13111913-5806-0000-0000-00002376923E Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Thompson Speedway progress pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net "I have had the opportunity to drive the track (less the oval) a couple times and It looks like it will be a fun track. The original dog leg at end of straight was changed to a decreasing radius turn at end of straight that should make for a great braking zone and passing area." I noticed the difference between the plan and the track too, with respect to the dogleg, it looks pretty straight to me. The turn at the end of the main straight will be interesting, reminds me of Big Bend at Limerock but with no escape road and much less run off area. "Mike did they confirm the date of the VRG event? And any indicator if SCCA cars will be "allowed" to participate that weekend?" I saw a tentative schedule that had the SCCA at the track a week or so after the VRG event and again later in the year. Track pics: http://s32.photobucket.com/user/harmug/library/Thompson%20Speedway%20Nov%2020 13 Track map: http://www.thompsonspeedway.com/new-track.php mike h G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 10:57:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD5442F58 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:57:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED50E403D0 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:02:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 00:01:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.213] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 00:01:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 00:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 81634 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2013 00:01:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384819283; bh=VS0chZgqvr2mbTlcD0uzoYdW4a/cEtM3oIQbOD0k4cY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IHQgINt04ZUuYCGB2k383LipJKPCS+ukps5TIekHPaxN8b/ed94zzpTXRbwIsCgqWJmEKmnCPusKAeEEgBsnjKZ/WBmvaSk0zitgnk6JS4TNjwcbVUnVWIV4ER/FqFpiHIvsH8UZoFWmT+gBkKWoRWwhtdK/99PqyJNMOGFru1I= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tYHFWQepcsAtGrpPZ11uyePNduHF9A/xL3fzVFWG8kGR7wYZYMTzbk7Qw1BStsJQfc0fvRLtSP+JewhzPk8JRuVuZ+GsRMIR6i/sK1ekrbkhUicoIHgvTEcgjTUZte/xA37dOYeLGG6txD9PNOjSCbYQO1awAo7mONKGh8wAZGM=; 1OYBZszjlSs1qhYUjNzi4L4FVQ.7sx.wiw8yyDlMlyUN21_L_6IRH_gVvQnB qAZ6OzOiPlhZ53rM3qeZzI1XfdiSavKykREBIsAYpgmzWhbhh.jKcFckMYI1 pK7A8rHyVXyPgX.aqmmZiL7b_De5wcpgJ7P3tK1F5fjMoz5wShbUBjV2yw5q XSc4cxBG1SJRQJlDwlSyWIomG.PSPzKQ6OzeBSC4aP7SW9agZihGUfZ55rMf TRhWZPtl5lMOnStIoieWrIezNLQOkRdpRgcE19OiqG1uwB9lmZpdt9DVcroL _LuzKkq52RyZK49divoxUTskAFPKTTB2YtswXIRCT73bqvuSBHuEDsj2Oenn PB5bGfWHMmjzGXzio58YdkkezvjRyIRTLBuVRr2aXFwXmwweJ9Nn.ttxkiiB SMvCYStd8vJdS6OLKRAgbSy4fpPJIPs3DvMNNryG7ZvYHvNslQnFruKQskwh XaxO4HkuTG5zS9yLfXy98ES5RhfEE9mr1pTKbfoTn18T6m6HBvV6UEqNOnNb Qf5b8YjES5hB.fkqiDIUm3M2fkzLxRQOfevWRx.KSiR.GELRt0MDEBscFqpI Q_PJN3ycA.MHrhBSiyfB2HqvazgJCnTMBdZtQ5A-- Received: from [172.242.183.210] by web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:01:23 PST wqAgwqAgwqBTdGV2ZQpUaGUgb25seSBkaWZmZXJlbmNlIGJldHdlZW4gYSBtYWNoaW5pc3RzIGFuZCBhIGRvY3RvciBpcywgYSBtYWNoaW5pc3RzIHdhc2hlcyBoaXMgaGFuZHMgYmVmb3JlIGhlIGdvZXMgdG8gdGhlIGJhdGhyb29tLgpKb2huIFdhZ25lcgpKdXN0IHRoZSB3cmVuY2gKCgoKT24gTW9uZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciAxOCwgMjAxMyAxMjo1NiBQTSwgR2VvZmYgQnlybmUgPGdrYnlybmVAb3B0dXNob21lLmNvbS5hdT4gd3JvdGU6CiAKSSd2ZSBhbHNvIGxvb2tlZCBpbnRvIHRoaXMgYW5kIHRoZSBwcm8BMAEBAQE- References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> <6DEAB010690249D3B7CD88884909E8CE@UserTHINK> <001501cee366$8168ee30$843aca90$@optushome.com.au> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Wagner To: Geoff Byrne , 'Jerry Van Vlack' , 'Stutzmans' , 'Joe Alexander' , 'Tony Drews' Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Steve The only difference between a machinists and a doctor is, a machinists washes his hands before he goes to the bathroom. John Wagner Just the wrench On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:56 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: I've also looked into this and the problem is holding the hub to accurately grind it Geoff Byrne -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:08 PM To: Stutzmans; Joe Alexander; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? I think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to machine, a good grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:39 PM To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my > transmission > failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the layshaft > assembly. > Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see if > there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a > buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had >> a > weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the > overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle > jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne@optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 10:58:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3328542F6A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:58:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp104.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (smtp104.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.207.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5689140079 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15197 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2013 13:07:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384866439; bh=Mcyj+tv5mHBLQ1Uyad5uT9GLyENDb2ur6CaT3yk6o0U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=UryFWJfLwjnL5m1+38gs+pY836YoD+v4RtWHnQ2U/sKTOEDD2lIMLtRcAjzdvEnIYaV2jlzMJQb6l1ucJjROuYto4Tiy438KGR18dtfoAwktZqlW9YT+OCegcdGh3sqgeRMizjCyLnI/5Og+6G806wDjlWwSaQica5od7FgCNmg= rgTnESVhYMVPpepMNrC9uCALVOZH95FiLIdfel7cpwwOZLzzZ6fEME_nUnP4 vyfbQ_yqB7IemyhwLJyjCMOdoxAmTs_1JCysKh17EaR4dIEY2N1Y5EDNq0ab yaeYiz_WG720v_6rANt9GpnRswI_adB2ryGIyAapUnh9HqALl.oxabyc7UWK w9LLmnt9oP2_XK6yWNk0wYUeCWHc2r_uSq4FQtEtLB2nvp5mNEMPJVPnXZjm nzqlTmN2EpEURkj3BNgVFMeMrvKYHnJuaS40f_P9t5Ubd0yLZm7b0P7Syk0H mo_AdcFAjpT8qhJaI27HSeavWxDoaO76bs_aQ6_f04g7C3UknzRJt457h5bS .uh5v2sV0AmZxsBa3uWRxiSAKnrBcws_fovhOPEDN27EcZK_U82MRWAXai6u BbCVpXFA3uhjpLXlex05rAscrKlyMUlDyh4NeC9RIE9nrvcNc51saBhyoYK3 UF.ypIc5yzfY_mymItz7c3mYtzxYfvQMxgRiSXCqiQaBrpFf6NEqqJprg smtp104.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 05:07:19 -0800 PST From: "Bob Kramer" To: "'FoT Triumph'" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:07:11 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7lKEJmTgbc6odkSl+06UDOEFExgQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Who is Jim Cox? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends, We have a black TR4 registered for the December 14-15 CVAR race at Texas World Speedway #76 belonging to a Jim Cox. Does anyone know him, is he on the list? Once I register we will have four TR4's, a TR3 and I suspect 4 Spitty's in the Triumph garage at TWS. There are a couple of more Triumphs in Texas that could still register and this brings me to the 2014 Kastner Cup next May. We will have information to share on the hotels and track released tomorrow. I always enjoy the K-Cup's because of all the Triumphs on the track at one time and us Texas boys will start the filed off with a large contingent. 76 Jim Cox Black 1964 Triumph TR 4 Branson Auction Bob Kramer ASCO Equipment Branch Manager Austin/Manor (P) 512-272-8922 (C) 512-431-8563 50YearLogo%20(High%20quality) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 11:13:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDF942F80 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:13:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from jacques.telenet-ops.be (jacques.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6E940398 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:07:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from GebruikerPC ([141.134.4.155]) by jacques.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id rW6k1m00l3LgakV0JW6pKH; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:06:49 +0100 From: "Van Mulders Marcel" To: "'Geoff Byrne'" References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com><6DEAB010690249D3B7CD88884909E8CE@UserTHINK> <001501cee366$8168ee30$843aca90$@optushome.com.au> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:06:43 +0100 Thread-Index: AQGiYC7QBUQ7BEA7n/MFHPJrjJc2kQIT8hb0Af7W9B4BvqKxXJpTgNyggAPQnGA= Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net "...the problem is holding the hub..." : I think Geoff is right. Years ago, I've asked a couple of machine shops to modify the layshaft : they didn't like the idea, because, when the 2 needle roller bearings are not perfectly in line, the modification makes things worse. Many layshaft bearings are destroyed by lack of maintenance. The modified layshafts get new oil! Perhaps one good quality caged bearing is strong enough? When modifying, I would ask to fit a sleeve, like Steve Yott is doing. Sure there are machinists who can do this conversion perfectly, even without fitting a sleeve,but how can we know? Marcel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Geoff Byrne Verzonden: zondag 17 november 2013 8:28 Aan: 'Jerry Van Vlack'; 'Stutzmans'; 'Joe Alexander'; 'TonyDrews' CC: fot@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? I've also looked into this and the problem is holding the hub to accurately grind it Geoff Byrne -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:08 PM To: Stutzmans; Joe Alexander; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? I think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to machine, a good grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:39 PM To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? At my request, my machine shop guy tried to find somebody who could modify it to take extra bearings. Everybody said it was too hard. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > Ed W. (FOG1) can be very helpful. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to >> accept > larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my > transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in > the layshaft assembly. > Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd check to see > if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with >> a > buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also >> had >> a > weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the > overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what >> uncle > jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne@optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 11:13:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE2E42F6A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:13:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy18-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy18-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.17.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 24F1E403A5 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:10:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18109 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 2013 18:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy18.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 18:09:17 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=53702 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Vipjh-0001Wv-Pb; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:09:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:09:16 -0600 To: "Peter Vucinic" , From: Tony Drews Z53TrsDJCl5Sef9xiqVwBAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au> References: <20131116145014.369F64003A@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The Open bearing you describe - is that the bearing between the input shaft and the main shaft? Thanks, Tony At 06:20 AM 11/17/2013, Peter Vucinic wrote: >Tony, >You can purchase a modified Countershaft Gear Set form Rimmer Brothers. Moss >probably have them as well? >It is already machined to accept 2 bearings at one end. All the hard work >has been done. > >Also, if your gearbox has the needle roller bearings that are captive in a >steel outer. Get rid of this design and use the TR6 style of 'open' bearing. > >The early style of bearing with the steel outer will allow wear material and >debris in the oil to locate inside this design bearing and cause premature >failure. Not a good design. > >All the gear boxes I build I change to the later open style bearing and >haven't had an issue as long as you regularly change the transmission fluid >etc. Especially true if you have an Overdrive attached where you are now >introducing wear material from the lining in the OD. > >I just freshened up a friend racing gearbox after 10 years of competition >running with a J type OD attached. Lay shaft only had a few thousands of an >inch wear. > >Hope that helps? > >Cheers... > > >"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With >A Lage Fortune!" >Kind Regards >Peter Vucinic >TR-4 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Tony Drews >Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:46 AM >To: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? > >Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept >larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my >transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the >layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I thought I'd >check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. > >It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a >buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. > >I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also had a >weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the >overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. > >I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what uncle >jack's tranny parts stash includes. > >Cheers, Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 12:21:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EA342F71 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:21:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A436642F57 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:21:40 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:55528] helo=cdptpa-web14) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 63/C0-16054-50ABB825; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:20:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:20:37 +0000 From: To: fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Nov 2013 19:20:37 +0000 Cc: bkramer@ascoeq.com Subject: [Fot] Who is Jim Cox? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Friends, We have a black TR4 registered for the December 14-15 CVAR race at Texas World Speedway #76 belonging to a Jim Cox. Does anyone know him, is he on the list? Once I register we will have four TR4bs, a TR3 and I suspect 4 Spittybs in the Triumph garage at TWS. There are a couple of more Triumphs in Texas that could still register and this brings me to the 2014 Kastner Cup next May. We will have information to share on the hotels and track released tomorrow. I always enjoy the K-Cupbs because of all the Triumphs on the track at one time and us Texas boys will start the filed off with a large contingent. 76 Jim Cox Black 1964 Triumph TR 4 Branson Auction Bob Kramer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 13:52:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2088F42F80 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7756B40437 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id m15so8313714wgh.30 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:51:34 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5Mz2NtHg0HyDL1TM9ihgxe/bZ6MFme+hLoRheRlr/yc=; b=FGxzAChGPdNfAkaVlBaIZwtyzx/k4bDFXwcqmgGgRYblhMKuPawgcs3f0l33bf3a5v I8J6v9tRLQdpFhP164m59YzFdLLUjh/qlWNadHsxsO7vybR8g/jE4LL2B7WVrTBo0VHN IcbdVmKBMO6VoiJF8oGbBfQWjR9odqcPIESTTp5F37mhA/M0HkKVt60UwFNWkc7Arkqg qcq1Btf9y5j02yIQOKWYtvbNzmGeubgrFjlN0YEwLeql5xfKZeb2Y0LN0Aux/GxUZTYB xZuuRN2msTAfrTaazoifE1zMBGaoUH0Mprhk9eH148lcmaTDANlTyvw1UA8X6GSrhCth W3sg== qd10mr22221503wic.57.1384894294721; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.142.76 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 06:51:14 +1000 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net the layshaft can be very easily set up in a 4 jaw chuck. you use an old spacer ring which you cut a slot along so it will squash. slide that spacer sleeve over the "spline" and tighten. centre it using the 4 jaw chuck , clocking off the inside of the bearing hole with a lever arm type dial indicator, and checking that against the 1st gear teeth if you dont have a tool post grinder, you can mount a Dremel tool in the tool-post and it will work OK provided you are patient. deepening the gear to add a second bearing is a bit harder with a dremel. you really need a very stiff boring bar and special tool tip for hard metals. the"secret" is very fast speed and lots of coolant. then they machine out OK. i have seen a few of these break when they are deepened and use in race applications. they break at the end of the 2nd bearing which is usually right where the oiling groove and drip hole are on the factory gear. with any of these, bevel out the oiling hole so its not sharp-edged Terry [image: facebook] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 14:02:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775EE42F6F for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:02:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC1840437 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 20:55:17 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 20:55:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 20:55:17 -0000 3RmFXakHm71d84t3B045ZxhSAha4xqmNGCMtVutLGg0FjL09HRUe_ymn4htO b_YF1r.LhZvTUNWOCY5AlozVTy4zqK0MbkGNejOzXgjvTU8Wxp07g3znzC1a S6nhWEEMndEVfSbtEhXUqlb4NrmxTNy_zfAdxRAHaP7b8y5jB1jNHWXP1qqD W.gT51aipE1cuTXyjp1kbyLfJyGcDW6sv0vKxyDirF95mAlI.KoGgFZlLoAL Ls1XlXv1l1gbbbUWrEL1EynZ290IuxXLFNs2XApAfdG.sAuzjWGS7A4ak8jl 5PCFVZZW8ehSW6NDt34vNTBRX1dy8DD2Xhh2w7GSzuflEIoMdOvnyb2g0Ca6 F8OAitVYgII4UL4bQ8eYmg4gaOtYHQoSnbmfkpKnRi2JLPgoQ7vGJkruLxQP nyOtlYf1drc9NxQ5DkOeM.wAWG7sCGRB64I._BZtNCGXvoI8vt3zb.9Efwcl D.tfnH6CWDN3XTi8S3_C5etdp7R6XYNCrIHqxPQTYTJ4NmGLls_KQSx3498J cl59K3mqCy7X4LlvkduSsjdr5uS5gjwA6KBpGxMed1DXzl1JmYEBRa4MPl.V tjZ1IabkmnKeNLlN17Tq3_7Jm8V5BmTZrsxdcwGoixcKYZzMwP.4dZrghXzd a_xvhK5BvjwSSR5e2baSzr9AEcfLvhb0E.Dod smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 20:55:17 +0000 UTC Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:55:20 -0600 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Tony Drews , "FOT@autox.team.net" References: <20131116145014.369F64003A@autox.team.net> <20131119181341.79D6142F8F@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think Peter is talking about the open cage style counter shaft bearings (see Step 12 of http://www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans01.pdf). My experience is that the open style is worse than the closed shell bearings. For racing, two bearings or a longer bearing would be better than either one of these. For a street car, I usually recommend the shell type even though they are a PITA to get out. - Larry On 11/19/2013 12:09 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > The Open bearing you describe - is that the bearing between the input > shaft and the main shaft? > > Thanks, Tony > > At 06:20 AM 11/17/2013, Peter Vucinic wrote: >> Tony, >> You can purchase a modified Countershaft Gear Set form Rimmer >> Brothers. Moss >> probably have them as well? >> It is already machined to accept 2 bearings at one end. All the hard >> work >> has been done. >> >> Also, if your gearbox has the needle roller bearings that are captive >> in a >> steel outer. Get rid of this design and use the TR6 style of 'open' >> bearing. >> >> The early style of bearing with the steel outer will allow wear >> material and >> debris in the oil to locate inside this design bearing and cause >> premature >> failure. Not a good design. >> >> All the gear boxes I build I change to the later open style bearing and >> haven't had an issue as long as you regularly change the transmission >> fluid >> etc. Especially true if you have an Overdrive attached where you are now >> introducing wear material from the lining in the OD. >> >> I just freshened up a friend racing gearbox after 10 years of >> competition >> running with a J type OD attached. Lay shaft only had a few thousands >> of an >> inch wear. >> >> Hope that helps? >> >> Cheers... >> >> >> "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You >> Started With >> A Lage Fortune!" >> Kind Regards >> Peter Vucinic >> TR-4 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:46 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to accept >> larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of my >> transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing in the >> layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, I >> thought I'd >> check to see if there's a longevity improvement that can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with a >> buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also >> had a >> weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto in the >> overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what >> uncle >> jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 16:22:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A2842F71 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:22:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm45-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm45-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDD5403ED for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm45.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.213.15] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 23:21:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384903289; bh=o4EaIjG3eXFip+s6GpSur7Q5JCXtMM2tygcuk/vlWVM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=wgSBvHX69cphnZZvENBjUpzrgq21WBwast+sLnEFRfOvhYII7if6LHioxY6naMEWtg6+1IzNwIGG49mau9yPxf5CsowK8RLBJ9W/bGGJCca5N7dsb6eKoS2BW4kNobsjPdaJ1zODJ0L0mi72sdKITfhGKTCYMW60vL8jGivQT94= J9lYqhosfoGmQpi970nuuWrwjVWe8NuuzNp4V1VEh3p03cIS7g.2F53qYx2c j1cv30lOYtyXUytqGn7o9QiQtdnXUV5ciY_4dp1qDeCd78eCHpETxdDn5w9M uKg1TtySvb_acwKoYGFlhVXA7u7yDa_tg9D1rL4PLArOXgKQjml9vQRbITZZ L8ZNTW22XX2.RsjSQKJBBXdXG63pvCaK7T3o99YDjra8Xtcg0fqwb5XjKXzN wAGEq4uuLzXaePoV3PO9uYFmQ_z.JL8UIbFgx3iDYirLDngQSrRKMAtRCwgZ Z0u748u29gw5OP1Bt9QvbsMZHk3Gz1DPZbhsWnmrhL4Q1.zEm9_Huwbys8L2 YvTmXweOz07DPfl_RL99_8ZNFLIWFvsEvGL7RpeChls5p1mKXa8EdXSiE2Tf rjCK5wVZNjOXQVZkUla23DaMti74KIlB7zMdup0TN9HSQCx5UNYaySbsPgyk cH5G0pCBgknYcVBwlHWVKaMWlbm2x0s5TN441EIMgEeHS3dEUqAwN4UtqEKN uzk9HrTZ1qEbt3m7s41Ddv9ytlknKFxIoEUHQ3U0Hp8BNWX3BHAZ2MJbyQUw KbP1orqK3qMXKLs4RTCGBxmvXKD9rs5kB_grNUovcgNSDBo29qcg6FIsT8U4 .stRwPKhIfz7xJOmwb.XFdDuw8rsu.RPDSg6aUWjy4rwK1lPgsIyfncKNvOR 5gxWR16dkvoVjYVmRysCpqGIZU7x0f7kqGrQxVaI5WuifUlTLqm3Qfm0PyHm rnQ-- with ) by smtp115.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 15:21:29 -0800 PST References: From: Jaxon Racing Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:21:27 -0500 To: George Harmuth Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Thompson Speedway progress pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am told mike rand had something to do with the redesign at the end of the straight. I expect unlike big bend there will be harder braking and harder acceleration coming out of the turn vs the hard braking and double apex of big bend but should be fun in our little lightweight cars ;))) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:48 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > "I have had the opportunity to drive the track (less the oval) a couple times and It looks like it will be a fun track. The original dog leg at end of straight was changed to a decreasing radius turn at end of straight that should make for a great braking zone and passing area." > > I noticed the difference between the plan and the track too, with respect to the dogleg, it looks pretty straight to me. The turn at the end of the main straight will be interesting, reminds me of Big Bend at Limerock but with no escape road and much less run off area. > > "Mike did they confirm the date of the VRG event? And any indicator if SCCA cars will be "allowed" to participate that weekend?" > > I saw a tentative schedule that had the SCCA at the track a week or so after the VRG event and again later in the year. > > Track pics: > http://s32.photobucket.com/user/harmug/library/Thompson%20Speedway%20Nov%2020 13 > > Track map: > http://www.thompsonspeedway.com/new-track.php > > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 17:36:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A176742F58 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:36:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC87403ED for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:30:07 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:44847] helo=cdptpa-web12) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 24/1F-29861-F420C825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:29:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 0:29:03 +0000 From: To: fot@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Nov 2013 0:29:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate or go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special rate" section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. See the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need to build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. If you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through to your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the press release in a cleaner format. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friends of Triumph presents The Kastner Cup b 2014 bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb May 16-18, 2014 Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com b The Battle at Eagles Canyonb History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of that place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited battle will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their outstretched talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the wind. Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines must be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. Fortunately this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. Closer still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The Innkeeper called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their war stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper with the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a special place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur 110 South US Hwy 81/287 Decatur, Texas 76234 (940) 627-4900 FOT Rate $79.00 Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur 600 W Hale Avenue Decatur, TX 76234 (940) 627-3338 FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have a look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please email Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday Kastner Cup race. Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days Spring Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 18:22:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F6C403F4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:22:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy16-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy16-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.22.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B727B403ED for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:19:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14414 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2013 01:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy16.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2013 01:17:57 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=54735 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ViwQX-0006bF-My for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:17:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:17:56 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] 1" x 23 spline clutch disk? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like I'm converting to the Quaife dog gears. Merry Christmas to me! Anyway, this arrangement uses a 1" x 23 spline clutch disk. Anyone know what car I'd order that out of? I'm running a stock type pressure plate... Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 18:42:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D6F42F66 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:42:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A4C403ED for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.129]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DEB8E7000009B; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 904B0E00009A; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:41:29 -0500 (EST) References: <20131120002903.B1I54.228669.root@cdptpa-web12> From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:41:30 -0600 To: "" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384911689; bh=tQnPp39CNNMLJ+gwKQW0DZ2AJQJeeG/VJVyIFSbvVu4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=iNigubf673+6czYGWc7jEohpFcDFA93hPjNqL/Rg2JCKte0Af2MAi5dwBxKRhGBQX dSIzSjA6E/6lndzBpcxsU3IhQ5MWOC1dUhTEFR0wv9p9MB+EhXaUSyGZMQPLo8vkSR e+y4hLk7flAerqk5pr0Pb+pwiLpEEa278+aD7WB0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3381528c134965ef Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Brilliant! Great press release. We are going to try to bring two cars .....and have both of them run. Please reserve two garage places. Thanks Bob! Joe, Sean, Mark, Brendan Sent from my iPad > On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:29 PM, wrote: > > I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the > press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. > We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room > reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! > You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate or > go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special rate" > section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. > We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, > reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you > will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. See > the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. > Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need to > build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. If > you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may > just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out > there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through to > your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the > press release in a cleaner format. > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Friends of Triumph presents > The Kastner Cup b 2014 > bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb > May 16-18, 2014 > Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com > b The Battle at Eagles Canyonb > History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of that > place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs > tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers > and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their > powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man > named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will > come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited battle > will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the > canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call > bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting > ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their outstretched > talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the wind. > Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. > > It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines must > be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. Fortunately > this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. Closer > still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The Innkeeper > called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their war > stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper with > the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. > Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of > Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a special > place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. > > Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur > 110 South US Hwy 81/287 > Decatur, Texas 76234 > (940) 627-4900 > FOT Rate $79.00 > > Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur > 600 W Hale Avenue > Decatur, TX 76234 > (940) 627-3338 > FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee > > For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have a > look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com > > All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please email > Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and > Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. > > Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday > Kastner Cup race. > > Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: > http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com > > K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days Spring > Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 18:53:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13D342FE4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:53:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3C842FD5 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:53:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from vwm13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm13.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.43]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0MWJ008UFH6SDAK0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FOT@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [67.83.138.143] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:52:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Redmond To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Fot] Rear lift hook TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FoT, I give up! B Where does the rear lift hook go on the engine? B Todd _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 18:56:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943D242FE9 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:56:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87C24032A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:56:27 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=xDNjyN05Ww8A:10 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=EMNiJ1WOZSqkwUMgFicA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=O8Q5qNTgwofbtOQ0FzitMg==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.103] ([10.127.132.103:55646] helo=cdptpa-web12-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 1C/58-01931-A861C825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 01:55:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:55:22 -0500 From: To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" , Todd Redmond Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear lift hook TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The very last exhaust stud and last cylinder head stud. Kind of shaped like a "J". Very few used but can be bought new from Moss. Bob ---- Todd Redmond wrote: > FoT, > > > I give up! B Where does the rear lift hook go on the engine? B > > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 18:56:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1828642FE6 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:56:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162DC42FEA for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:56:35 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=rdavis4@cfl.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=xDNjyN05Ww8A:10 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=37zficlWImJYN-86nocA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=8_kw49uRa3kA:10 a=O8Q5qNTgwofbtOQ0FzitMg==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.103] ([10.127.132.103:55651] helo=cdptpa-web12-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 39/78-01931-3961C825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 01:55:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:55:31 -0500 From: To: "FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net" , Todd Redmond Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear lift hook TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The very last exhaust stud and last cylinder head stud. Kind of shaped like a "J". Very few used but can be bought new from Moss. Bob ---- Todd Redmond wrote: > FoT, > > > I give up! B Where does the rear lift hook go on the engine? B > > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4@cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 19:39:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C6640436 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:39:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail176c2.megamailservers.com (mail176c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A57640396 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.227.106.232] (16.sub-174-237-33.myvzw.com [174.237.33.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail176c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rAK2YfR0025638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:34:44 -0500 References: <20131120012232.B311B42F87@autox.team.net> From: John Hasty Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:34:39 -0500 To: Tony Drews a=2OG1/B/xI7FCQzrPxlqApA==:17 a=UjzjxXcoAAAA:8 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=ghD7qAzvDhgA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=5ofuakKBcYIA:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=pAeXbuqVrgNanRzpeE4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 1" x 23 spline clutch disk? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net TR7. That's what we use. Spec has the clutch. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Looks like I'm converting to the Quaife dog gears. Merry Christmas to me! Anyway, this arrangement uses a 1" x 23 spline clutch disk. Anyone know what car I'd order that out of? I'm running a stock type pressure plate... > > Thanks, Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 19:41:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A439142FEA for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:41:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C7340423 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C589A025B; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:39:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:39:55 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: John Hasty , Tony Drews References: <20131120012232.B311B42F87@autox.team.net> Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 1" x 23 spline clutch disk? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John Hasty wrote: > TR7. That's what we use. Spec has the clutch. > > Also later Spitfires with the single rail box, as I recall. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 20:09:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EA542FD6 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:09:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF4F40423 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:04:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C96457000009E; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dtd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.141]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A2163E000081; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:03:42 -0500 (EST) References: <62167eb5.1e727.14273350946.Webtop.43@optonline.net> To: alfetta95@optonline.net, FOT@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 198.14.221.128 by webmail-vm029.sysops.aol.com (64.12.252.59) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:03:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:03:41 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384916622; bh=xdqPyhG+/r7ks7dFFS2RPu7C5nbou7pSykwFcKR3FfA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H0XTsaSX9qlPaOpqcO1cpiL+WCkwpyVkdb8C+irlMx7/YMeOstOQ24OgSq9HeIxpp Uge58Nj6cVFuCwLbbN5CirhRqxEimwMhJWxdoyzO8bUHoDHDLrNBDon4kDSqcbI1Kg f1WUz5b1CMzTgKLFr+2cIIUm14ioPUODjSbIDnuo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2948528c268e3a46 Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear lift hook TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Couldn't resist - - - - - In the "rear" Rear right side. Take a look at the Moss catalog -----Original Message----- From: Todd Redmond To: FOT@autox.team.net FOT@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 8:52 pm Subject: [Fot] Rear lift hook TR3A FoT, give up! B Where does the rear lift hook go on the engine? B odd ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 20:30:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE8E42FE7 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:30:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F8040409 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:30:46 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=k2/N5X1ULJV24gN2FjTYbQ==:17 a=48QVop1L-YgA:10 a=5mtqwaO8pnsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=JX4ArmId54YA:10 a=GkbKt2rYEbk36hkFII4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RypX2_LyO8sA:10 a=KVzl99Si_REA:10 a=k2/N5X1ULJV24gN2FjTYbQ==:117 Received: from [166.137.121.249] ([166.137.121.249:52133] helo=[10.244.105.252]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E5/8A-09301-4AC2C825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:29:42 +0000 References: <20131120002903.B1I54.228669.root@cdptpa-web12> From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:29:37 -0600 To: "" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Well done Sir Fire Ball. Count two Blakes in. We will take two spots in the shelter as well. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 20:46:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180BF42FE7 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:46:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FA240414 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:46:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rdND1m00416AWCUA4flcVy; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:45:36 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([67.170.200.248]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rflb1m00U5N3clv8SflbSk; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:45:36 +0000 From: Dave Hogye Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:45:35 -0800 To: Friends of Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1384919136; bh=xuDdtZdKi7hkTcjqjFnIR3turD2hnwe9Hr1nZi0IT/8=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To: Mime-Version; b=AI8ELupVva8tMowIt8POPTstoX+9MzptxyjskrveEwGTOiseReHKugGHf4MFzHAS9 cd4sENKAcZNNWAmBBIggec6Y8l6D82Ic1T8cGFGJJIueekQ1YvZkuwYlf0KzVJ/Y/B QXz1zIe81BeZlCB4vGlIPvtXK0SNg6N7zvkX3PPsPguPkXwlkIWAEAMm9NLvYr8pTK VmFNuWoDSLs7gnvKM+PvUPqpY2cBDdFto14u5Hm7t/0+NwjN3PZK/FWWuGm3Kw9zwY ADd81LdTqJcWyvveEMMacET82sZV0caO6l1SVbx6kwjefsPePT1PgyRZMWc8kL485Z POJXbt6AG0iZw== Subject: [Fot] TR6 with Halkias team fenders on EBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I haven't check EBay Motors in a while, but just came across this no reserve TR6 project. I wouldn't mind having the fenders to hang on my shop wall. Pretty neat. Dave H. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR-6-2-door-Triumph-TR6-Project-with-Racing-F enders-No-Reserve-/221318636480?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33879e63c0&item=2213 18636480&pt=US_Cars_Trucks _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 21:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F336542FEA for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:01:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D5040414 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rfkP1m0021HpZEsA4g0ZAg; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:00:33 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rg0Y1m00j2xZMJ48ag0YVV; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:00:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:00:32 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Friends of Friends of Triumph Cc: Friends of Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1384920033; bh=MENyoH6ShSM8laadg9wFrrHZ9v1iTkl7azWRlOZoxsU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Bi3S+zRrxyli3vI7rle5MiYkZy7S5X1wbmjM+hD/ce551i0Zvq7k9hb3hvNak+5Oc 0k5shk2KjW1PJrGIiYxP1j8kHpl6hVz0IEqX84aCVRoB/99aZiBFY+vPAQOaX9Ulta 8Pb3ru6TqOKhEXvrW6UX7XvMlmuTxBcTGY3Nv8xMep6sfHm0uIrtbJ23YYFNPyfC+f eFjzi0Yfph5EXRuzsTLKRNRFgI0rv0Z9EYwAbqQYUwCP90lfLW521EiNQDDiozEuhd sZNyM4V/T1xWKrUYQZRqibt5IHLqM54uiBbdpIrGmwS4hlj8cKgffZX0wCTBGcy5dk 6i1sFNmx/n5AA== Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 with Halkias team fenders on EBay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oops, Don't know what happened to it, but in an instant the connection was discoed. Anyway, check EBay Motors for the TR6 with race fenders. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hogye" To: "Friends of Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:45:35 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 with Halkias team fenders on EBay Hello Friends, I haven't check EBay Motors in a while, but just came across this no reserve TR6 project. I wouldn't mind having the fenders to hang on my shop wall. Pretty neat. Dave H. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR-6-2-door-Triumph-TR6-Project-with-Racing-F enders-No-Reserve-/221318636480?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33879e63c0&item=2213 18636480&pt=US_Cars_Trucks _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 21:17:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5476842FD4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:17:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from alt-proxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com (alt-proxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com [66.147.245.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F54D40414 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24942 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2013 04:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2013 04:16:16 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=55145 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1VizD5-0003Zq-Tg; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:16:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:16:14 -0600 To: ,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <20131120002903.B1I54.228669.root@cdptpa-web12> {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'll take a spot under the big top. Thanks for organizing this, Bob! Cheers, Tony Drews At 06:29 PM 11/19/2013, rkramer3@austin.rr.com wrote: >I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the >press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. >We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room >reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! >You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate or >go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special rate" >section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. >We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, >reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you >will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. See >the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. >Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need to >build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. If >you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may >just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out >there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through to >your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the >press release in a cleaner format. > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >Friends of Triumph presents >The Kastner Cup b2014 >bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb >May 16-18, 2014 >Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com >bThe Battle at Eagles Canyonb >History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of that >place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs >tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers >and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their >powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man >named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will >come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited battle >will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the >canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call >bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting >ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their outstretched >talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the wind. >Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. > >It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines must >be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. Fortunately >this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. Closer >still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The Innkeeper >called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their war >stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper with >the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. >Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of >Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a special >place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. > >Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur >110 South US Hwy 81/287 >Decatur, Texas 76234 >(940) 627-4900 >FOT Rate $79.00 > >Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur >600 W Hale Avenue >Decatur, TX 76234 >(940) 627-3338 >FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee > >For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have a >look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com > >All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please email >Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com > >Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and >Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. > >Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday >Kastner Cup race. > >Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: >http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com > >K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days Spring >Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 21:26:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F3D42FEA for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:26:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AB940414 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:23:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (cpe-70-113-116-224.austin.res.rr.com [70.113.116.224]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MBW50-1VrCOp1RiQ-00Ai76; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:58:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:46:00 -0600 From: The Fooddude To: "Bob Kramer (rkramer3@austin.rr.com)" , fot@autox.team.net uSVuptQIDch/7cgm2LIFyT0itDNPoKqoIdTmI4JTYuud97ebDy HqnzG0qVh3Pf98Xa/dBQwXrCUWiR17i9D/4reMoAKNXVpVyNyc AsP9S5nzjrSJZK2W0U5mcxawsml/2o9es1P9Tlf9oKMEi2IdWM rzVLrDDJcVeTuu+68YqHNGYfmVi3ayTB92qNiyqCJCCF2dTBPP 0elHOUTCPzQB40LY5v62mkZzUTuoY189Wk7P18JObRXv01wjoV oTazJ1n8Q5/5sli03ZZg+dKvWOmmWEXOJ2oUx+flrF7WXMHDdz T9mz1S1fV82U1UiqEng0TGApXKcUT/NAnug5XVWnAjQSde3GHj tFmrzE7sa11m8gFV5BYMD1b8V5OM5D2Gkg= Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net One spit, one garage space, please. B We have 2 more spits starting in feb, please hold 2 places for dusty and derek. Sent via and typos courtesy wireless handheld device. -------- Original message -------- From: rkramer3@austin.rr.com Date: 11/19/2013 6:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate or go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special rate" section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. See the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need to build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. If you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through to your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the press release in a cleaner format. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friends of Triumph presents The Kastner Cup b 2014 bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb May 16-18, 2014 Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com b The Battle at Eagles Canyonb History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of that place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited battle will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their outstretched talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the wind. Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines must be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. Fortunately this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. Closer still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The Innkeeper called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their war stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper with the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a special place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur 110 South US Hwy 81/287 Decatur, Texas 76234 (940) 627-4900 FOT Rate $79.00 Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur 600 W Hale Avenue Decatur, TX 76234 (940) 627-3338 FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have a look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please email Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday Kastner Cup race. Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days Spring Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 07:29:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC99542FDF for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:29:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD4742FA5 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:29:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3754070160F43 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DBA8FE002BC0 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:28:17 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:28:18 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384957698; bh=z/6ZrpfNUeqGtWvExbqywwBbFd175nXyb55Y2EhF1f4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=j80lwD/qo8f5iFOoIrms7cS8h3h1qXQMWqqDfNr4vbkzIpPjhl63dkU0exBE+ANme MdzdfwW5HF4INcn5PwYtTURt1of7UnGwjuCqgoSj9ArDLSiLMBXI9ltdvE/B3BFh8O kNvCKHNFq7P8jRcd63r4tEozATmoabz1H5yzT3nY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2906528cc7013ef7 Subject: [Fot] KCup 2013. Video Trailer is now on the-vintage-racer.com website.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you go to "Category" and click. Click again on line item to open up. Click on arrow to start trailer. Quality of trailer does not reflect the DVD you will receive. Will start shipping when DVDs arrive today or tomorrow. Wednesday/Thursday Use of the website is preferred, but you can send check. Thanks.... A.R.E. 645 1st St. Jesup, Iowa 50648 Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 09:02:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD5342FED for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:02:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F8940432 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rr471m00A0FhH24AFs0xlN; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:00:57 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rs131m00M2xZMJ48Us13CZ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:01:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:01:03 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: rkramer3@austin.rr.com s=q20121106; t=1384963257; bh=d4aim6T3JI12gDsap96JEpmjI6zG6u1b49uZgzgoQtU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=NNpwxXIIhpwqfMHMvaId9L9KtN/661BrJNyahMRcTGa4Q9dxg+JDSCFJ6zhZTdIt1 hdgekDl5qVH77XWtd/MfdSkEMe5qXAmTm+YHptXkNOmYWdcerL+igA4KZu+agOipdm QCrNByrF4nOtzztbCcenc+z/wUyRDpEvcjvLUR8EGYucOf8GiqkkNY1iJXvIDwZQZi c9kXw9PlAOHMOizcIBpjf9ExEa/b9DPoRO/OM0RUkeXpCnUtz9ip7W3jBYqDtqPvPB zsath6vubnIaoD7jOtQrebeynyIqt11uF7Boj4Y4+yFBQYcsBxhGrshjEhH7dxwJmG 6tOkH3rM4eJdw== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Bob, Please reserve a covered space for me and my TR3. Thanks for taking care of all the business for this event. Dave Hogye #63 ----- Original Message ----- From: rkramer3@austin.rr.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:29:03 PM Subject: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate or go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special rate" section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. See the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need to build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. If you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through to your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the press release in a cleaner format. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friends of Triumph presents The Kastner Cup b 2014 bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb May 16-18, 2014 Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com b The Battle at Eagles Canyonb History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of that place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited battle will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their outstretched talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the wind. Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines must be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. Fortunately this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. Closer still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The Innkeeper called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their war stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper with the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a special place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur 110 South US Hwy 81/287 Decatur, Texas 76234 (940) 627-4900 FOT Rate $79.00 Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur 600 W Hale Avenue Decatur, TX 76234 (940) 627-3338 FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have a look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please email Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday Kastner Cup race. Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days Spring Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 11:15:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BAC42FE4 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:15:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B1440452 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:14:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r10so6998842pdi.38 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:13:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=41A1Nnby4lrVmTpT67CwNuUNbbharmM+HeCCzFG7PtA=; b=b0n2BiBsyz2C5lQRgOxre3LGHprV5qk/DFAEHHhN0l310WUH/HqSKnlNAdp98DRMzS 52dIzz3CbGcuTuDeUZEN2l+KCrOk7hFYie6HD6JDoKnu3Fs6gBR1mlgIIgf160v+UVvt znAT66fPVwthkIO+2Ghw/Gql1OFgd97R8ua9Zdsp18T8MFPuJ1lispnEq+3KJRmhbV8o Kg1A9CRUcMdRM1kHcdrWuWdr3xKk59gm8P6yqDnQhtbBA5dsCri13TgQ1zgg60rWnfaQ uw2viTuwqiXu77FloAFCL4gKR2gbo5PnxURsZrqRB2qq6K+whZ8A9ZQeu/xMpF8KaIXi 3AYQ== ph5mr2020128pbc.11.1384971223927; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.8.37 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:13:03 -0800 (PST) References: <20131120002903.B1I54.228669.root@cdptpa-web12> <1354267850.4216110.1384963263184.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:13:03 -0800 To: davehogye Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I plan to be there and compete a little more! Pleasereserve a garage spot. Thanks for organizing. Great piece advertising the event. Chuck Arnold # 74 TR6 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:01 AM, davehogye wrote: > Hello Bob, > Please reserve a covered space for me and my TR3. > > > Thanks for taking care of all the business for this event. > > > Dave Hogye #63 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rkramer3@austin.rr.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:29:03 PM > Subject: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release > > I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the > press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. > We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room > reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! > You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate > or > go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special > rate" > section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. > We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, > reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you > will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. > See > the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. > Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need > to > build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. > If > you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may > just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out > there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through > to > your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the > press release in a cleaner format. > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Friends of Triumph presents > The Kastner Cup b 2014 > bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb > May 16-18, 2014 > Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com > b The Battle at Eagles Canyonb > History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of > that > place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs > tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers > and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their > powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man > named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will > come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited > battle > will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the > canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call > bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting > ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their > outstretched > talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the > wind. > Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. > > It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines > must > be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. > Fortunately > this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. > Closer > still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The > Innkeeper > called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their > war > stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper > with > the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. > Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of > Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a > special > place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. > > Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur > 110 South US Hwy 81/287 > Decatur, Texas 76234 > (940) 627-4900 > FOT Rate $79.00 > > Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur > 600 W Hale Avenue > Decatur, TX 76234 > (940) 627-3338 > FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee > > For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have > a > look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com > > All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please > email > Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and > Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. > > Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday > Kastner Cup race. > > Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: > http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com > > K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days > Spring > Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 13:20:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9627742FF0 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:20:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342E940448 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:11:41 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=rkramer3@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:37475] helo=cdptpa-web14) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 12/89-29861-9371D825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:10:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:10:33 +0000 From: To: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley , davehogye Sensitivity: Normal Nov 2013 20:10:33 +0000 Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So that TR6 will be making a trip back to Texas. Very cool. Your on the list. ---- Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > I plan to be there and compete a little more! Pleasereserve a garage spot. > Thanks for organizing. > Great piece advertising the event. > > Chuck Arnold # 74 TR6 > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:01 AM, davehogye wrote: > > > Hello Bob, > > Please reserve a covered space for me and my TR3. > > > > > > Thanks for taking care of all the business for this event. > > > > > > Dave Hogye #63 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:29:03 PM > > Subject: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release > > > > I know that the list server will strip the attachment so I have copied the > > press release for the 2014 K-Cup below. > > We have two hotels with the Hampton being the host hotel. We have a room > > reserved for Kas at the Hampton, so you can try and catch him at breakfast! > > You can call the hotel to reserve your hotel room asking for the FOT rate > > or > > go on the "hamptoninn3.hilton.com" website and under the ">Add a special > > rate" > > section you can plug in "FOT" in the Group code to get our $79. rate. > > We also have a concrete floor metal paddock building reserved for the FOT, > > reservations will be first come first serve. Please let me know ASAP if you > > will be joining under the big top. No flimsy tents to blow down this year. > > See > > the ECR webpage for a picture. $75.00 a spot. > > Please, please please, let me know if you are planning to attend. We need > > to > > build the roster and hotel reservations are not the same thing as a plan. > > If > > you are like me, the more the merrier and if you know who is coming you may > > just decide to join us. Lastly, I know there are some poor lost souls out > > there that are not on our revered FoT list. Please spread the word through > > to > > your non-listed Friends of Triumph, and if you send a reply I can send the > > press release in a cleaner format. > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Friends of Triumph presents > > The Kastner Cup b 2014 > > bThe Battle of Eagles Canyonb > > May 16-18, 2014 > > Contact: Bob Kramer: 512-431-8563 rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > b The Battle at Eagles Canyonb > > History will record this battle. There is a canyon, in the far north of > > that > > place called Texas, a piece of land so desirable that over the centurybs > > tribes of natives fought battles for its control. Then they fought settlers > > and finally the soldiers. Later men came and tried to tame it with their > > powerful machines, but it remains just out of reach. It is here that a man > > named Kastner has hidden his treasure, and the word is spreading. Many will > > come to try to take his chalice, the fabled Kastner Cup, and a spirited > > battle > > will ensue. But can it be won? The challenges are many. The road into the > > canyon has many a turn, many a hill and much risk. It is what they call > > bdifficult terrainb. The eagles soaring above can see the road twisting > > ever downhill. They can see it rise up toward the sky and their > > outstretched > > talons. At ground level it just disappears like eyes closed against the > > wind. > > Know this, skill and determination will be rewarded. > > > > It will take much preparation and planning for this journey. The machines > > must > > be in top form and the wagons that will carry them up to the task. > > Fortunately > > this canyon is not far from the well known cattle town of Fort Worth. > > Closer > > still, lodging and supplies can be procured in nearby Decatur. The > > Innkeeper > > called Hampton will be the choice of many, those that enjoy telling their > > war > > stories after the battle along with loads of amenities. Another Innkeeper > > with > > the name of Baymont also provides a bed and a blanket and a hot breakfast. > > Theybll hold you a bed upon your request. Mention that you are a Friend of > > Triumph and you will get a special price. The battlefield itself is a > > special > > place. It has plenty of cover that can be reserved. > > > > Hampton Inn and Suites Decatur > > 110 South US Hwy 81/287 > > Decatur, Texas 76234 > > (940) 627-4900 > > FOT Rate $79.00 > > > > Baymont Inn and Suites Decatur > > 600 W Hale Avenue > > Decatur, TX 76234 > > (940) 627-3338 > > FOT Rate $65.00 Petbs OK with $17.50 fee > > > > For more information on travelling to this place called Eagles Canyon have > > a > > look at: http://www.eaglescanyon.com > > > > All Triumph Covered Paddock Spaces, 3 Days for $75.00. To reserve please > > email > > Bob at rkramer3@austin.rr.com > > > > Race Registration is expected to be $400.00 for three days, Friday Test and > > Tune, Saturday and Sunday races, and feature events. > > > > Registration fee includes the Saturday British Small Bore Race and Sunday > > Kastner Cup race. > > > > Can you handle that kind of track time? More info at CVAR website at: > > http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com > > > > K-Cup Spectators will be interested in the Texas All British Car Days > > Spring > > Rallye leaving from ECR-stay tuned for more information > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 13:35:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0863742FF0 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:35:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f169.google.com (mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4233540452 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f169.google.com with SMTP id l9so4164402eaj.14 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=QCd61o5WSuI9MQz3E41JZXWEzg+mgizbmvzm+wqWl34=; b=w/yoMgw0BOFR/MBxqzzs42ixOm1vLZskw8UeMRt0GPtMMh+wAfXKlOdSI37HCkVXog xjJwAXtfsSUM37bqAimcRNo84W9GPBrV8PeuGelGaRBWuf40btTAfXyCrnMizDvTcurx Y2q6Lxz2htH/S8wVrMzOx5id5YKwYWf4ePmHdPLCS0d7Nd75EFl9Cm2qZod9Z+mLHW11 bCz1Og6m41YLm6j7p5XrN7JpXzSNmp2Go43CM2oFOvUsXrsQH28VMjepS6Ji7ZSL6OcM 35qAy6fvCB9VulSbz6lsc9DIVgux87Y1LJXwisRTagJDwUwOZBPuzpu4jzhGQsTfcljl Rrfw== x48mr3467529eeo.0.1384979380050; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([109.46.12.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm63396862eee.7.2013.11.20.12.29.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley'" References: <20131120002903.B1I54.228669.root@cdptpa-web12> <1354267850.4216110.1384963263184.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:29:39 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7mHEwRkqf04BZmSW+jB5Vqfpr/BAAEtaUQ Content-Language: de Cc: 'Friends' Subject: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chuck, wish you better luck than last time. I won't be there to be a thread :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. November 2013 19:13 An: davehogye Cc: Friends Betreff: Re: [Fot] 2014 Kastner Cup information-Press release I plan to be there and compete a little more! Pleasereserve a garage spot. Thanks for organizing. Great piece advertising the event. Chuck Arnold # 74 TR6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 16:20:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B216142FF3 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:20:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.127]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A03403C8 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:13:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2013 23:12:12 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.205] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2013 23:12:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2013 23:12:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384989132; bh=nDv6N9qDLN32w8u/vUVFlKBVX0J8h88BRT2x1WN4i2k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=P0yl/PLuX58S2vpeWZVPfe2iYD3JIDoezeuKti5gqdBYORBWY0jwgvCCbCbpnnjtPM840ifF0kx2Bw5qPhMIUuHgSscFffXfEZTGMNgPSyv6S5hPBbrkiAm5QltfHxDXGYsOi3ZMg0jlcG4pLjYoNryFTeCabFyLYf+1gmQYGGc= wh9J.mQdip_DywRx3uK_5Y7PlEFOYWqtHGuYE3pgnIiSZ.tXcL4kCgyFs8RZ 2Hl7OgEP2lT7iPFlvHgPzdTYalZmXZiE2EG4IXNJLpf01gfx57wf2PIbKqS2 JV22di6pbAKpPeY7DRZKILQchtFdDhvrMU9Cm2eWaz5rVP3cmdyoaUA94Erh H938pbzooy2YTvrwxdt7vML22sUoS0GC6idTxNP4XlGfbo5I9MZNCXoAvsF3 .fQPuBLHWDvhlxtL0URYdU9ZYEppW.mc0Q9953ffIzcHparcZB4cpvTY._Bm EP5B_MKON.7ISyGNl89.LeKOzWG2FY4Amq4oWcz_kEEW4I8MQcl3af8Nj_d6 wnEQIA0ToitYL1gSdn9fMiplino3Drn8.6dZwzAl6hSgy6vi4_hz8cR6Hazs Ava6RcCceWeoTlxy7odXFvxLkG7tSay6jVBXPCAxmB69B3KJSPiOmp9OiNFq 9YW34d9O59RkTg221p2Oe6mQOPCR_xTaIXaWhGd2xF7zp6Lc1Qca51WhZVbt oUl66ykwD.jqDO2k89KRSmxsNqwtfzg-- with ) by smtp216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2013 23:12:12 +0000 UTC From: Dale Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:12:09 -0500 To: fot Subject: [Fot] 1300 block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, anyone want to sell an early 1300 block with caps? - Dale _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 16:51:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEC343006 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:51:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out1.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out1.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91184051D for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:46:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.76.62]) by icp-osb-irony-out1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2013 07:45:16 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Larry Young'" , "'Tony Drews'" , References: <20131116145014.369F64003A@autox.team.net> <20131119181341.79D6142F8F@autox.team.net> <528BD038.5070804@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:45:15 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac7laoFddDazpLw6S7GxDD/OfQDbtwA380Ow Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny lay shaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, That's exactly the bearing I was talking about. I run two of the open cage bearings. You can simply buy the countershaft already done to accept these bearings. Open cage is used in MANY dog gearboxes instead of bushes in the gears. So I find them more than adequate for the task. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 7:55 AM To: Tony Drews; FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? I think Peter is talking about the open cage style counter shaft bearings (see Step 12 of http://www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans01.pdf). My experience is that the open style is worse than the closed shell bearings. For racing, two bearings or a longer bearing would be better than either one of these. For a street car, I usually recommend the shell type even though they are a PITA to get out. - Larry On 11/19/2013 12:09 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > The Open bearing you describe - is that the bearing between the input > shaft and the main shaft? > > Thanks, Tony > > At 06:20 AM 11/17/2013, Peter Vucinic wrote: >> Tony, >> You can purchase a modified Countershaft Gear Set form Rimmer >> Brothers. Moss probably have them as well? >> It is already machined to accept 2 bearings at one end. All the hard >> work has been done. >> >> Also, if your gearbox has the needle roller bearings that are captive >> in a steel outer. Get rid of this design and use the TR6 style of >> 'open' >> bearing. >> >> The early style of bearing with the steel outer will allow wear >> material and debris in the oil to locate inside this design bearing >> and cause premature failure. Not a good design. >> >> All the gear boxes I build I change to the later open style bearing >> and haven't had an issue as long as you regularly change the >> transmission fluid etc. Especially true if you have an Overdrive >> attached where you are now introducing wear material from the lining >> in the OD. >> >> I just freshened up a friend racing gearbox after 10 years of >> competition running with a J type OD attached. Lay shaft only had a >> few thousands of an inch wear. >> >> Hope that helps? >> >> Cheers... >> >> >> "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You >> Started With A Lage Fortune!" >> Kind Regards >> Peter Vucinic >> TR-4 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013 1:46 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? >> >> Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft assembly to >> accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the root cause of >> my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle bearing >> in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / purchases, >> I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement that >> can be made there. >> >> It's been a while since the box was apart, and let me tell you - with >> a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is challenging. >> >> I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at least. Also >> had a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring slides onto >> in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly issue. >> >> I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see what >> uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. >> >> Cheers, Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 17:42:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3A943043 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:42:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A7B4273A for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:42:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.183.110.163] ([72.183.110.163:1387] helo=kramerde634093) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 78/9B-31125-8B65D825; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:41:28 +0000 From: "Bob Kramer" To: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:41:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Who is Jim Cox? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://issuu.com/bauction/docs/branson_auction_catalogue_-_fall__1?e=201 6864/4929468 I found out who Jim Cox is and he is an interesting car guy, owns the Branson Mo. Auction! > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3@austin.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:21 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Cc: bkramer@ascoeq.com > Subject: [Fot] Who is Jim Cox? > > Friends, > > We have a black TR4 registered for the December 14-15 CVAR race at Texas > World > Speedway #76 belonging to a Jim Cox. Does anyone know him, is he on the > list? > Once I register we will have four TR4bs, a TR3 and I suspect 4 Spittybs > in > the Triumph garage at TWS. There are a couple of more Triumphs in Texas > that > could still register and this brings me to the 2014 Kastner Cup next May. > We > will have information to share on the hotels and track released tomorrow. > I > always enjoy the K-Cupbs because of all the Triumphs on the track at one > time and us Texas boys will start the filed off with a large contingent. > > 76 Jim Cox Black 1964 Triumph TR 4 Branson Auction _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 21:26:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276BA43074 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:26:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8214F403FC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:56:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 84E5B7017F7CD; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dtd004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.141]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4A5EAE000090; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:55:51 -0500 (EST) References: <20131116145017.B323F42EEA@autox.team.net><19B7091A-5179-48EF-9D11-4AAD8C8A1267@cs.com> <6DEAB010690249D3B7CD88884909E8CE@UserTHINK> <001501cee366$8168ee30$843aca90$@optushome.com.au> <1384819283.81556.YahooMailNeo@web162504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: j.wags63@yahoo.com, gkbyrne@optushome.com.au, jerryvv@roadrunner.com, stutzmans@comcast.net, n197tr4@cs.com, tony@tonydrews.com Received: from 198.14.221.128 by webmail-m130.sysops.aol.com (149.174.9.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:55:51 -0500 From: Bruce Lapierre Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:55:51 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1384898151; bh=Cm1A3PmCAPYGrUulZbvmRFI0l+u65suZgoXY1ACoOQ8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HnR2Ju8djEy/ThmV4LZ1WV2TzNelCliav2wBFBXRB9Uc+PVMBXbrsBXEqcw1BY/nq zkp/Kz9omrgTBlQpIz3ZHve3SjpMSZP6bG6FeSpI6MI9Pe2ayzfi2RwlRKHDmHkqwI yf6zaSruZKtj3lTf0haERBcuKiCZbMjyrHesaLb0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7528bde675460 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net LOL -----Original Message----- From: John Wagner To: Geoff Byrne ; 'Jerry Van Vlack' ; 'Stutzmans' ; 'Joe Alexander' ; 'Tony Drews' Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Steve he only difference between a machinists and a doctor is, a achinists washes his hands before he goes to the bathroom. ohn Wagner ust he wrench On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:56 PM, Geoff Byrne gkbyrne@optushome.com.au> wrote: 've also looked into this and the problem s holding the hub to accurately rind it eoff Byrne -----Original essage----- rom: fot-bounces@autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On ehalf Of Jerry Van Vlack ent: Sunday, 7 November 2013 1:08 PM o: Stutzmans; Joe Alexander; Tony Drews c: ot@autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? think Bruce meant the hardness of the material was too hard to machine, a ood grinding house could manage it. Or someone with the proper tooling. VV ----Original Message----- rom: Stutzmans ent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 :39 PM o: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews c: fot@autox.team.net ubject: Re: Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? At my request, my machine shop uy tried to find somebody who could modify t to take extra bearings. verybody said it was too hard. ruce ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Joe lexander" o: "Tony Drews" c: fot@autox.team.net> ent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:54 AM ubject: Re: Fot] TR-4 / TR-6 tranny layshaft bearing mod? Ed W. (FOG1) can be very elpful. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Tony Drews tony@tonydrews.com> wrote: > > Has anyone modified the TR-4 / TR-6 tranny ayshaft assembly to accept larger, higher capacity bearings? Turns out the oot cause of my transmission failure was the failure of the front needle earing in the layshaft assembly. Before I do the parts search / urchases, I thought I'd check to see if there's a longevity improvement hat can be made there. > > It's been a while since the box was apart, and et me tell you - with a buggered up layshaft shaft the disassembly is hallenging. > > I'll be replacing, input shaft, layshaft and 3rd gear at east. Also had >> a weird failure where one of the pins that the spring lides onto in the overdrive is broken off - may have been an assembly ssue. > > I may have most of the parts needed for the rebuild, we'll see hat uncle jack's tranny parts stash includes. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > ______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > ttp://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans@comcast.net ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com rchive: ttp://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com rchive: ttp://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne@optushome.com.au ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net ttp://www.fot-racing.com rchive: ttp://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/j.wags63@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 12:18:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9962E42F16 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:18:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A374003F for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.194]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9BE9F700000BE; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.10.6] (unknown [38.108.56.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 1C2E2E0000A0; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:14:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Frymark Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:51:31 -0600 To: "rkramer3@austin.rr.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385061258; bh=LE4lA6U4bg+iWn6KFP2vJxQ6ONCb0Xn93Ufhj4CjYws=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=mre0oMdqs/eudqbs7vLv5QEG+GeQ8EI91XkFcESoTn1pxTRZGR8bq3N5SXkD8hsI7 0W2z9dM/BwcJN0KfVKmfI3vMYxwkJXnMpG9GkmLnt+8F+H4DE9ZHhObdK7DpSXn/94 UIa6sODTygYhts8Fl0ApdTUcTeSZm8OgyimeiCEI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c2528e5b8a239e Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Of course put me on the list for garage space. Let me know what you need me to do. Trying to make TWS, too. John Frymark _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 17:30:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB88940522 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:30:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AB440453 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:30:04 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=gkL9SdGT2fsLunB0IrRhnw==:17 a=TocvcKrosuwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=7rbDKdqRYm0A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=eaJba-dY_3c_2v4jk2UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=gkL9SdGT2fsLunB0IrRhnw==:117 Received: from [166.137.145.63] ([166.137.145.63:53930] helo=[10.156.70.234]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id CD/0A-09301-045AE825; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 00:28:49 +0000 References: From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:28:46 -0600 To: John Frymark Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Make TWS happen. We need a record breaking number of TRs at TWS in December. I'll buy the first round on Saturday night for all Triumph drivers. > On Nov 21, 2013, at 10:51 AM, John Frymark wrote: > > Bob, > > Of course put me on the list for garage space. Let me know what you need me to > do. Trying to make TWS, too. > > John Frymark > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 18:38:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EA242F34 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:38:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5309342F0A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:34:55 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=ablake2@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=gkL9SdGT2fsLunB0IrRhnw==:17 a=TocvcKrosuwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Jephuk8oGg0A:10 a=x9y5oeHM4ppr9VkKvc0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mJcL_CG281YA:10 a=6hPufH-9mOMA:10 a=v_V50vHhl08A:10 a=gkL9SdGT2fsLunB0IrRhnw==:117 Received: from [166.137.145.63] ([166.137.145.63:61508] helo=[10.156.70.234]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 91/15-00722-574BE825; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:33:41 +0000 From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:33:39 -0600 To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Empty trailer notice Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry for the late notice but I have an empty 20' enclosed trailer going from Austin TX to Dongola IL. I'll be leaving Austin early sat morning. I plan to leave Dongola on Monday morning returning to Austin with a partially filled trailer. If you need me to move a car or parts north or parts heading south, give me a ring. Greg _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 14:18:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C7043072 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:18:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067942F54 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:17:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20131122211630091 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:16:30 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 626126128 for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:16:26 -0600 From: To: "FOT" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:16:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] torque angle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Group, can anyone recommend a chart that converts torque wrench readings into degrees for use with a torque angle gauge? Thanks much art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 15:13:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785A84308E for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:13:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF09442F55 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.255.13.17] ([67.255.13.17:51557] helo=Shop) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id E5/8A-29861-8D5DF825; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:08:24 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: , "'FOT'" References: <05FC316E96C1486FA0ABC826361F1C0B@rileyPC> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:08:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7nyEW/diF4yMT5R3KxdY6JggffcAABjesw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] torque angle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I believe a torque angle device would be used after taking a reading on a know fastener tightness that is to be duplicated on all other fasteners on the same or similar object. To the best of my awareness there are too many variables to do a direct linear conversion. Grade of fastener; class of fit; thread pitch; lubed or dry; base metals being secured(i.e. compressibility); stretch; just to name a few. Best to torque an accessible bolt with a torque wrench and test with the gauge to acquire appropriate angle for that application only. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside@southslope.net Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 4:16 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] torque angle Group, can anyone recommend a chart that converts torque wrench readings into degrees for use with a torque angle gauge? Thanks much art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 20:33:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A933842EF9 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:33:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325E542982 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([unknown] [96.247.12.246]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWP00JRA5QWM670@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:30:33 -0600 (CST) From: Mordy Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:30:34 -0800 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Today -nothing to do with triumphs at all. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_alpine.html Some of us remember Friday exactly 50 yrs ago. The above link is from my neighbor Robert Penny. Bob started Aaron (My son) in loading ammunition while he was in middle school. One thing led to another and now we have two Ffl's and lots more. In the middle part of this web site is some very interesting history not well known. Bob was integral in linking the carcano rifle to Oswald. Gasket Works USA, llc Www.headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions Inc 626.201.9471 FFL 06, 07 SOT 2 Gmt -8 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 06:47:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D43842EF9 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 06:47:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2E040418 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 06:47:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.17.140]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWP00IHPY90F310@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 07:46:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mordy" , References: <5BFACFAA-561E-4693-B45F-18EAB0406AFC@gte.net> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:46:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Today -nothing to do with triumphs at all. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mordy, thanks for a great article. Very interesting. I recently bought a Springfirld Garand; always wanted one. My retired Marine brother-in-law was home at the time and checked it out. He said it was in very good shape. First weapon he qualified on in the Corps was a Garand. It's a blast to shoot. A local gunshop had a run of M1 Airborne Carbines done a few years back. All were signed by four of the original Band of Brothers. All 105 were sold. $2500 each. And I didn't buy one! Two of the BoB were from Erie. Joe Lesniewski, who autographed my copy of the book, and a fellow named Joint, who was not in the book. Both have died recently. Passing of an era. Thanks again. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mordy" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Today -nothing to do with triumphs at all. > http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_alpine.html > > > > Some of us remember Friday exactly 50 yrs ago. The above link is from my > neighbor Robert Penny. Bob started Aaron > (My son) in loading ammunition while he was in middle school. One thing > led > to another and now we have two Ffl's and lots more. > > In the middle part of this web site is some very interesting history not > well > known. > > Bob was integral in linking the carcano rifle to Oswald. > > > > > > Gasket Works USA, llc > Www.headgasket.com > 626.358.1616 ph > 626.628.3777 fx > > Triple R Munitions Inc > 626.201.9471 > FFL 06, 07 > SOT 2 > Gmt -8 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 11:23:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6C042F04 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:23:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp450.redcondor.net (smtp450.redcondor.net [208.80.204.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759EB42787 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp450.redcondor.net ({4ad064a1-3618-4418-b4ee-963987bff397}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20131121183741614 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:37:41 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 635668634 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:37:37 -0600 From: To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:37:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] torque angle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net can anyone recommend a torque to torque angle chart? Thanks art de armond _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 13:51:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABAE403F8 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:51:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8534F403F2 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i7so2847185oag.16 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:49:19 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version; bh=o9Kj2d1UEih/oSJkCSwZrTUV3Bt83MxXC5jWcmrRiv4=; b=hmzXEgU+nMfms5CTQIVOrZZd/yUCFIJHxhva7uN6NoLcKnUMyfgew+fEpoKcJHMuQD K3M8cqw71jZ1NJDeMLLlXHdqZJryk7SZgoIcMdv3vgkX9wGOCMFrr36v1mjPFudqkn7v bHJrdv4AwjHjegWmBZ+R9ImQawYYzw+/nJBAR8Vhk1wwPel/30wN3+kwFpBRiSOYpDf0 3mralhMiB0kDRo55Y8xXszlcUU4cPs8I2wuPHF4KGsItW685DruKhYNIgHdD7MJIlrHv ExYJdXvxcRhi1mdZnAJ6WdW+JNf1Urbyb+FUDFYoze/70ynb9tec2syYe67oWrRzoFAq fX+A== p10mr16994138oei.18.1385239759298; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm56840045obi.14.2013.11.23.12.49.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Nov 2013 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:49:17 -0600 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] FS: TR-powered Morgan race car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody wanna go racing? I want to sell the Plus 4 and build a 4/4 to race in the coming year. Duncan Morgan Plus 4 for sale Nov 2013. Car has racing history but details of 1950s era are not confirmed. Triumph engine with modest 125-130 flywheel hp. 4-wheel drum brakes, A.R.E. wheels. Competition stub axles, Porterfield RD-4 brake material (hasn't faded yet), panhard rod, adjustable lever shocks in rear, new driver harness. Moss gearbox rebuilt within the last year. Everything on the car is ready to race today. Very reliable, good for many more races before it's time for freshening the engine top end. Comes with spare stock TR engine. Car is near Austin, Texas and has been racing in CVAR Group 4 (preservation class, pre-1962) during 2011-2013 but could compete in Group 2. Best time at Texas World Speedway road course: 2:10; best time at Circuit of the Americas: 3:00. Torquey engine allows a full lap in top gear at TWS with a lap time increase of only 3 seconds. $30,000, no trades unless you have a Morgan 4/4 race car to swap! Call 512-965-7583 or email me at duncan.charlton54@gmail.com for more details and pictures. Flickr photo set at: http (colon, slash, slash) tinyurl (dot) com (slash) l5zs7qr http://tinyurl.com/l5zs7qr _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 09:20:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35634044A for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:20:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC5F403DA; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:20:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131124161901.WCEF6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:19:01 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.248.126]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id tUJz1m0072kNDRN05UK0bX; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:19:01 -0500 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ORz8qUnmOhcA:10 a=1xCm3MsuGule_kYvxYAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:117 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:18:58 -0500 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Friends of triumph , "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] A-Type O/D Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi I'm having a $!X?!! of a time installing our rebuild A-type overdrive to our transmissions output shaft. Numerous attempts to line up the 2 female splines in the O/D have resulted in zero success. Every time I line up the splines they move out of position any time the trans is installed. It's hard to line up these splines after the overdrive is assembled and it always moves out of position as soon as it's all put together. Now we have a broken adapter plate. I do not have a dummy shaft so that is out. Any suggestions on a successful procedure? Thanks in Advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 11:38:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6660C40409 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:38:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C704D403DA; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:34:07 -0700 (MST) a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:17 a=e4F3oT5d7OUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=lOLdRUcHNo8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=j3e3_pH45BKI5r-FcIQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=h4buF18rMpoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LRDpK1exKzyrYuS1:21 a=VzeCzUKQFTDOjGAw:21 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:117 Received: from [75.86.187.21] ([75.86.187.21:50513] helo=HPLaptop) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9D/BF-20755-74642925; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:32:40 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Glenn Franco'" , "'Friends of triumph'" , <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <529226F2.7020500@charter.net> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:32:32 -0600 Thread-Index: AQEQx4SlOZfbHKM4d3/dzVMOdDhcUZuw8BPg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type O/D Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, This is a devil of a job even on a lucky day. I have a lot of these under my belt and still run into difficulties even with a custom made dummy shaft and other assorted tools. The trick is understanding what is happening and and then using a lot of patients. First if your adaptor plate is broken it was most likely overstressed with the tightening of the two clamp down nuts. This is common and must be corrected with either replacing or repairing the adaptor. If that plate is not perfectly flat the mating surfaces will leak oil like you have never seen!! Second make sure the drive end of the main shaft is not bodged up and is free of burrs. This is an area on the shaft that takes a lot of abuse and the splines will get buggered up easily. You can dress these down with a diamond file to smooth them out. I use the following steps: Mount the overdrive tail shaft down in a vice setup. I made a set of clamp blocks that hold the housing and allow the drive flange to rotate freely. Line up the splines using a long screwdriver (or dummy shaft). These two splines MUST be perfectly in line with respect to each other or it just won't go together. I rotate the reverse clutch spine to match the spline on the planet carrier. Pull back the pump plunger and wire it back to the oil screen housing and make sure it is all the way retracted. Install the springs and put a dab of grease on the ends to help them find their homes a little easier. Now to the gearbox.... Using a piece of masking tape pull the reverse gear lever back and tape it in the retracted position. Push the front 3/4 selector forward to engage the gearbox in 4th gear. Use a dab of stiff grease on the pump cam to hold it on the shaft as it will try to fall down when you turn the gearbox on its end. Turn the main shaft on the gearbox to position the pump cam to point in the up position. Now carefully pick up the gearbox and place it onto the overdrive. Do not drop it or bang it... do this gently. If you are lucky the main shaft spline will drop onto the top spline in the overdrive which is on the planet gear carrier. If this is the case you will have pressure on the springs and you should be able to push the gearbox down to about a 1/2 inch gap between the adaptor and the overdrive. If this does not happen (more than likely)... do not rotate the main shaft until you pull up about an 1/8 inch on the gearbox (I do this with a big screw driver) Lift the gearbox and rotate the main shaft just slightly and lower it back down onto the overdrive.... keep doing this until you feel the main shaft drop and engage the first spline. Once it does engage do not rotate anything... you are not home yet!!!!! Once the first section is engaged you should be able to install the clamp nuts and lock washers. I then use two 1/2 inch gear wrenches and begin clamping the units together evenly... any sideways pressure will cause the main shaft to hang. Once you get down to about the 1/2 inch gap area you may feel the clamping pressure to rise and if you have to apply too much torque to the wrenches then the splines have moved and you need to start again. What I normally feel is just a slight bind at this point and then with just a little more pressure the main shaft will pop just a little and engage on the spline of the reverse clutch. Once you are able to clamp the two units down to about an 1/8 inch gap you are home! Now cut the pump pull back wire and pull it out. You will usually hear the pump slap the drive cam. Then tighten all nuts don evenly. Like I said it will take a few try's and is not an easy task.... A second person sometimes helps as long as they don't keep trying to turn things on you!!! Good luck and give me a call if you need further information. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:19 AM To: Friends of triumph; 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A-Type O/D Issue Hi I'm having a $!X?!! of a time installing our rebuild A-type overdrive to our transmissions output shaft. Numerous attempts to line up the 2 female splines in the O/D have resulted in zero success. Every time I line up the splines they move out of position any time the trans is installed. It's hard to line up these splines after the overdrive is assembled and it always moves out of position as soon as it's all put together. Now we have a broken adapter plate. I do not have a dummy shaft so that is out. Any suggestions on a successful procedure? Thanks in Advance Glenn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 12:43:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B4A42A51 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:43:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84C2403E4 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0DA4A70198609 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 51DC4E0000BC; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:42:05 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:42:04 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385322126; bh=nVlnOw0WNW/Q8jmu0o88O1aj9jEhN0YULIIlJQMfiW4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=waRpDhx7Zk+++eLu0nnEvCzQ0T8L36O8B70QGDpMKrNPqd99XY5lnHm10eViddKy2 sqe3vhXJnIEAs1srQ8AZGZl9qSg2+g0EsjffgjvzXy+KGDlpXjZdmStpc0lNGTKRFT 5KWsC6wqIfA7nZqiqvvVsgze1fLMNKGHqvCpoN4Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c35292568d1cba Cc: Mgruber921 Subject: [Fot] OD units available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, If anyone is looking for an "A" type overdrive, Marv Gruber has got a few available for sale. He is copied here. 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Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Cc: Mgruber921 Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: [Fot] OD units available FOT, If anyone is looking for an "A" type overdrive, Marv Gruber has got a few available for sale. He is copied here. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:02:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08067403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C57C9403DA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.228] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 21:54:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 21:54:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10223 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2013 21:54:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385330090; bh=f6SN3qHKIT+s4p4BKFkgOEVqMHTT34BFiqRDEjOWYiA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QFwZSPaZVZGB6wI7buYgS+rEV2KnC6VsbAPvmSJ1RR/OOoZthYtzZfUNGwcz31iRBjfd51ethlL+RbnZ3yxTRRlHyb5EEY2HP6uA6kAw+zKBYscwARjQrwRFaCZBdAqHN0ULQqSmtFMRlpb9G+5DK2ZBKX/mK4qhwZN5+H4PDCQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RLveX00/ki73CvrMMbjqhsAMyeqqvfVTQyszNLHNC+WQBJIb93ENrEpWTvlREDgYjhe+Z1ChNsee4QRGmWmrnGAgKkKbpgH3XuxRHtQBhFW4sSFabC/+4TZc5XUae6YI7EHOPsJqSCwmMtB8SrTZCWiUjt72aaLlCwNtr3tGYnc=; 3IfkYOYoOyUSJTN4H7a86A8qkOXDtuTDKB9ve3Cyi17YSndGU24iTDSO7dXt cY.RdiqTHJ2BWUnIlJdIaojNafyBunkM03RNWj0BH0pA1Sx5X5p6FUIY_vyK xSOoKwpBoCAuyz8paBBavYjTariGAmy_Iq8gLYXvz2X45bAqmUDRJVkux6a9 vOaZVNb9uLReKZEurPxS4NmwDQyVdRgRM_gzzjUDyhHlsAzvfu4wuq4pKw_F XLJe9zNR0lZGO0dBwpCokm0VAV7xcGhDL_f1RyaWfi7DVx5vpTlCqWwvdbdo .J8Br8j5fnHn8xi21bqJ7exlCEFnjimArpjJH8RjFaABzF42Qs1HQHfSkCHr YuvSgguft0Ef_9S5tSWRE.l0MMT2JKUA.n8LpwN359MC.gmszB2r4qil0wso djV.5w1cylyFbUNNkzM6cZMXW0McDJS5f1KiInu.wb3oTxDFCCaD5.hTz7Lv KoflofCE3DMCJKnQXXFiHha7BMiWXPoc0kFfUMV2TAw4HEvS54r3xdqI5zSX xHh9X3dHG9VFvDq1SflpLFxhMCa_cIImRj6qwUElovUHfSue8Ivf4dfv69PP REFofOnB96UeuRGgMI1eVkRPJuc9KdmaQlnjCrh9TcPr4mwTCQO2Dbkf0Fjo - Received: from [99.71.100.143] by web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:54:49 PST V2hpY2ggdHlwZSBpcyBwcmVmZXJyZWQgZm9yIHJhY2luZz8KCkd1eSBNb3J0ZXIKVmludGFnZSBBdXRvIFNlcnZpY2UKMjYyIDU3MyA0NTExCgpGbGF0aGVhZHMgRm9yZXZlciEKCgoKT24gU3VuZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciAyNCwgMjAxMyAyOjI1IFBNLCBzaGVycnkgcm9ieW4gPHNoZXJyeWppbW15NjExNkBhdHQubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKICAKSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIGtub3cgaWYgZm9yIGEgbGF0ZSBUUjYgYW5kIGhvdyBtdWNoP8KgIFRoYW5rcywgSmltCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18BMAEBAQE- References: <1385324491.92922.YahooMailNeo@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: Guy Morter To: sherry robyn , Joe Alexander , "fot@autox.team.net" Cc: Mgruber921 Subject: Re: [Fot] OD units available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Which type is preferred for racing? Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:25 PM, sherry robyn wrote: I would like to know if for a late TR6 and how much? Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Cc: Mgruber921 Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: [Fot] OD units available FOT, If anyone is looking for an "A" type overdrive, Marv Gruber has got a few available for sale. He is copied here. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:48:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0091F40408 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:48:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400B54032C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:42:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131124224125.FCCR10448.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:41:25 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.248.126]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id tahQ1m00L2kNDRN05ahRV3; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:41:25 -0500 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=pGHogDctb1QA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Zo1BKl7ZwccA:10 a=HTms6nFJAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ybZZDoGAAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ylg8r70BMbyiz1B70r4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=qIVjreYYsbEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:117 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:41:23 -0500 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <529226F2.7020500@charter.net> <52923D38.4000105@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] A-Type O/D Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Larry and FOT I have news for you. We used both your publication and the one from Buckeye Triumphs. Great Job on both of these. We installed the trans with the O/D down and the splines lined up or so we thought. I have a hole drilled in my bench to facilitate such an assembly and to rebuild automatic transmissions. Every time it was lined up it moved. In every position trans up or down it moved out of position. One of you suggested putting a slight taper on the output shaft spline. I was thinking of doing just that as a lead in to create alignment during the assembly When we get a new adapter plane we'll try it without the springs. Our adapter plate was already cracked and it looks like a rookie soldered, not tig welded it back together. It would have been the weak link in the assembly anyway and likely would have leaked. Glenn On 11/24/2013 12:54 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Welcome to the club. You should read the article that Sam Clark and I > have at http://www.vtr.org/maintain-index.shtml. We stand it up on > the tail end so the splines will not move relative to each other. > Another tip not in the article is to first do it without springs to > get the splines lined up. Then do it with the springs, making sure > they are all in the right places. It is still difficult. Maybe > someone else has a better way, but this has worked for us > (eventually). Many adapter plates have been broken, so be careful. > Larry > > On 11/24/2013 10:18 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: >> Hi >> I'm having a $!X?!! of a time installing our rebuild A-type overdrive >> to our transmissions output shaft. >> Numerous attempts to line up the 2 female splines in the O/D have >> resulted in zero success. >> Every time I line up the splines they move out of position any time >> the trans is installed. >> It's hard to line up these splines after the overdrive is assembled >> and it always moves out of position as soon as it's all put together. >> Now we have a broken adapter plate. >> I do not have a dummy shaft so that is out. >> Any suggestions on a successful procedure? >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/cartravel@pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 16:18:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00DF42F40 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:18:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65A6403D4 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:17:47 -0700 (MST) a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:17 a=e4F3oT5d7OUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=p0VCfedq4LoA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=k0i7qWdVAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=lCrECp_uHAOAQUJme6kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=7ziGmj9GWucA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=Pt2jL6afp71Tegp3rVfu4A==:117 Received: from [75.86.187.21] ([75.86.187.21:53836] helo=HPLaptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F3/AE-07327-FB882925; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 23:16:16 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Guy Morter'" , References: <1385324491.92922.YahooMailNeo@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1385330089.9852.YahooMailNeo@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:16:07 -0600 Thread-Index: AQJpIJDJ8jrZ64KUjvBRodVD+ZIfpAJZ6+5PAgICdKCY3bI4sA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] OD units available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Is that ever a deep question! I am sure there are many opinions and all would be correct. The A-Type was I believe one of the first designs and uses an accumulator to store oil at the operating pressure which in theory causes nearly instant operation vs. the J-Type which has to pump up the oil to operating pressure when engaged. You would think this would be a slow operating unit but they are surprisingly fast in engagement. The J-Type also uses a lot fewer internal and external parts which again by theory would make it more reliable which I think it is. I have built many A-Type that run in street and competition and they can be very reliable too. To keep originality the A-Type was used on TR 6's through 72 and then they went with the J-Type and the necessary frame mount changes. There are adaptors available to install J-Types in earlier frames. In the end the J-Type can be purchased a little cheaper than an A-type and is usually cheaper to rebuild as long as it was not run out of oil. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:55 PM To: sherry robyn; Joe Alexander; fot@autox.team.net Cc: Mgruber921 Subject: Re: [Fot] OD units available Which type is preferred for racing? Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:25 PM, sherry robyn wrote: I would like to know if for a late TR6 and how much? Thanks, Jim ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Cc: Mgruber921 Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: [Fot] OD units available FOT, If anyone is looking for an "A" type overdrive, Marv Gruber has got a few available for sale. He is copied here. Joe A _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 19:09:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1F342F7A for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:09:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5803B42EEA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7179D700000B8 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 27715E0000DD for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:08:02 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:08:01 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385345282; bh=pgAE5jCBfcTDvrh9anlGupaNogy7fSyLrJtXcw/0Ly0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ByKof+UfIR3RIcB9k1svX57IW9FUeDKQwY4X04u7cR4LRAs+isxsKZ3Um2WG1ZKxY /YTbwDYl7ulI47RHCrH6ZnkuGQ1rDASmTI7r5bRB10eBmm6/86FlgwGi25LvGEL/OM 140xi9HVKnu08n/gx7nfjpr3j+YZ6yeRrs7isozE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c55292b102494e Subject: [Fot] Christian Marx to be featured in Burt Levy's next VMS Column Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT Nice to hear. I am sure it will be great. That was a happy KCup moment when Peter and Chris got together at Road America. We should all be proud of that weekend. Priceless. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 20:14:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D91742F58 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:14:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8240436 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:14:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id teHF1m0090mv7h059fCjRV; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:12:43 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tfCj1m00P2xV5no3XfCjSt; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:12:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:12:43 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Glenn Franco s=q20121106; t=1385349163; bh=vbfIp5dcdgL3+aVJRTrThJ9z2bUr3kuHNM1sH5Y+tLw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XX+JrW7L8zyoaAonGT4oqYM0G3wDT7+mrGH5sbeLL164Y0hWpXEacdwCuN7EkR/1+ /0IHDHRd6k5sABXoeRXhqqgKZkPvddIYyk8HTUigJ3c08ISHH8xsbMiZ5MngGO7tdO J9XQFy2TltpuUGaESbjFCc9Bw/BnvgMU6UMjaFjSeQoXQPFNu/qEvsZTdlTaUVWzRq uCy80UQt6iGq03zo99ujKjsLDFMbf8I2Ufj5Mesu9zMx12wNQwScsF9HLUagSQAhip lX/DlIrajYuBa0RE6nDPG0jF1F6OgxEgiUhSTVXyewQxNBV5aG+ZEt7aKlGcGxKBBT SCxjsTmfvx8og== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] A-Type O/D Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, I always place the 'box on the floor, shaft up, and lower the 'A' type onto it; first, w/o springs to check alignment, then part way, whereupon, I insert the 8 B springs prior to tightening the 2 nuts, pulling the cam up and under the pump roller just before the gap is too small to do so. The only hard part is getting down on the floor and back up again w/o help from nearby furniture.B This method works so well for me that I wouldn't consider any other method. But, that's just me. To each his own... Ed Woods _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 20:26:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF24A42F7C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:26:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB5E40436 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:26:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9961FA034D for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:25:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:25:11 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1863614531.4485343.1385349163725.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] A-Type O/D Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > The only hard part > is getting down on the floor and back up again w/o help from nearby > furniture. Unfortunately that is getting a bit too common in my work these days. But yes, vertical is the way to go, horizontal no. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 21:05:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7128042F81 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:05:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10AC4044E for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tfsP1m0070ldTLk5Cg3UyF; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 04:03:28 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tg3U1m00h2xV5no01g3Uq5; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 04:03:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 04:03:28 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: Glenn Franco s=q20121106; t=1385352208; bh=5xvT1vqfMow3OkT3ULQBAgvrF7riP5j8IuDJX9vZLxk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UJ4sgwFY5C+KicfJADmr2+W5m8hgTlQ5RM+se/ebD8Jrw/VuVhmInitU9Ofms4o1o mw2NAPw2AXgcdZKAneMCNdPbuLZ49SSEx74E+NGkmVRqy86MjfKQsgRFLfGD2K+ZbF ZnJ7/7Gzep5fvouYa6zoS1bN8TVgddSpNj3d2I4vXuc9Nwa9t6RA8QQ+zupMwjdaqe dST2OETJpnPxeSXOiFKxKJeuBiNr4gkyRLgfSKTIIf+QRfbsukuy8+vYYs0eOpGn3F wW2hnpPMvGCERwNfLNvJihcFGMzmgDirtlvfRjI/xYxr5asKC4Hs83ts6jr9raymrl 7uXntiUL8yLzw== Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] A-Type O/D Issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, B Everyone seems to have a different approach to fitting the 'A' type to the box. Here's mine. B First, I align the o/d's splines by placing the o/d unit, flange down, on a bar stool; a bar stool upon which I'm sitting with the o/d between my legs. Then I lift either of the two bars in front of the operating pistons in order to disconnect the two internal splines. With the flange fixed, I rotate the body of the o/d to align the splines, either with a dummy shaft of by eyeball and flashlight. Then I release the connecting bar and rotate the housing tillB a female spline is at 12 o'clock. Much easier done than said. It's a 2 minute job. Yes, 120 seconds or less. B After setting a male mainshaft spline at 12 o'clock, I do a trial fit, without springs, cam,B or gasket,B with the transmission bell housing facing down, sitting on the floor, o/d shaft up. This way, the two splined components in the o/d are free to rotate, relative to one another.B You can turn the output coupling toB adjust the splines a bit. Careful, the o/d can drop into place suddenly. Fingers will not do much to slow it down! The only time this procedure has ever failed was when one of the splines was damaged prior to assembly. Now I check those fits before I assemble the gearbox or the overdrive. B If you then lift the o/d unit off the transmission very carefully, the alignment will be maintained. Do not move the o/d coupling or the mainshaft! Hands off. Coat the gasket on both sides and place it on the adapter. Place the cam on the shaft with its minimum radius down, toward the pump roller. Place 2 deep well sockets, 180 degrees apart, on the gasket. Lower the o/d onto the sockets. Install the 8 springs. Remove the sockets. The o/d is now resting on the springs. Install the 2 nuts on the long studs and tighten to a point where the cam can be engaged with the pump roller. If you are over 70, this is the tough part: first getting on the floor, then using a flashlight a couple of screwdrivers to engage the pump roller and cam. Now get up, using the closest piece of furniture or floor mounted equipment to assist.B Tighten the two nuts till the o/d is flush with the adapter. Half the time it will go right home. Otherwise, tweak the output flange a bit to make it so.B Since the springs are in place and compressed, the two o/d splinesB should move as one. On rare occasions, I may have to go through this procedure a second time, usually because I carelessly moved the shaft or coupling after the first fitting, the one w/o the springs or gasket. And, yes, I should learn to tie the pump roller down with a piece of string or wire. Old dog.... Ed Woods B _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 08:48:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBADC40533 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:48:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 03BA0403F4 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2013 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2013 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2013 15:47:14 -0000 1W8tyW4e.zTMP0LoR2vSKDVoYo.7JPlo8lJ1ZnpVtTrx3WmUcn1WbnaYvWXf W4Z1PncG6dxd90ZJSNrLuhCkABqlQFKOlQCpm7jqHue7OnJM0VdbT6P29mAz bRMHwwwfBwy0NT9G9W6RfD1edRB9TjqExjuaEcArLfV91QBhQuxyUWWW.F2y URMsQw96sE9olWsXPluRBn0Efz7SaGI0381Tmu3f.Gc2fN6aXNUm5JVCVQnB DOG5TjPltQ8SkRvNM65UADs40OUH8Y6PElMQhs0dkYm4WEfW5fIqAlKS52Vx 2qKmGDWWws5nsF9D.Pf7j5fu5cdZKokH72uzI0z3p7.K.QILzCQWzTev2Uwb _abe.C7tQoqEokro6Qyc2PctvMjJbvo7y2kLtkcei6eoUc8HXVqki5AGtSmZ mRwIutBZZzOFq6H9K9e5aN8f4o_SYZrUWcoXuOdaiHQYwY_BBvV8jEET2m_9 B6nhSxggjMhItnl2PcASioCuInXM_B7LGQu8smpJ2XgwyWp4r3Aav91nHTNT DUPAEzHBRt5oWTRfhHtQRRkUgCWXptMdvaNXcVIt3iiK2jnnBxJvPlTPgwVS VzD0I1FE- smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2013 15:47:14 +0000 UTC Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:47:15 -0600 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1385324491.92922.YahooMailNeo@web184802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1385330089.9852.YahooMailNeo@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] OD units available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Most people will tell you to get an A type with the early large accumulator which was used on the solid axle cars.. We had one of these in our TR3 and it was modified to give about 525 psi. The shifts were instantaneous and gave a nice little kick in the butt. I love these things so much, I put a Volvo J type in my Model T speedster. It has a noticeable lag when it shifts, but it would probably be faster at 5,000 RPM. I have been told the J types are not as strong, but have no first hand experience to support it. The Volvo J types are cheap, but you will have to buy a lot of parts to fit one into a Triumph. Larry On 11/24/2013 3:54 PM, Guy Morter wrote: > Which type is preferred for racing? > > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 > 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > > On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:25 PM, sherry robyn > wrote: > > I would like to know if for a late TR6 and > how much? Thanks, Jim > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > > To: > fot@autox.team.net > Cc: Mgruber921 > Sent: Sunday, > November 24, 2013 11:42 AM > Subject: [Fot] OD units available > FOT, > > If > anyone is looking for an "A" type overdrive, Marv Gruber has got a > few > available for sale. > > He is copied here. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116@att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 09:55:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8F340433 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:55:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2C240425 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWT00HOHW9J6790@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:53:48 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-25_02:2013-11-25,2013-11-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311250117 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:53:43 -0500 To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net all this talk about overdrives made me realize I don't know the proper way to use one - I am taking the TR4 to the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend (supposed to be dry but cold) and this year, the overdrive is working - last year it wasn't (loose connection - easy fix). So, it's the first time I've actually driven a car with overdrive, as none of my previous LBCs or BBCs have had one. Do I: - keep my foot to the floor on the upshift - momentarily lift and on the downshift: - keep the revs up - turn the OD off at the same time as downshifting for the turn while the clutch is depressed? I'm assuming I can stay in OD and shift between 3rd and 4th normally? I'm looking for both the "preserve the unit" answer and the "what can I get away with and for how long" during racing answer. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 10:05:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AE242F5B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:05:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail201c2.megamailservers.com (mail201c2.megamailservers.com [69.49.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E778240425 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from jhhasty ([64.128.77.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail201c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rAPH3Pq2005352; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:03:32 -0500 From: "john hasty" To: "'Scott Janzen'" , "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" References: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:03:24 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7p/v3WX0EN7emGStSbGbQ9l+ixtQAAI9sg a=B8rx5kvwQHCoTlY5PM2Gsg==:17 a=BDKbP5mgAAAA:8 a=fy5Kr8fuZNIA:10 a=4XwCEAaBuO8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mkkZP590AAAA:8 a=twn_9y3wlxMA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=2mxuC_oiRhN3RELCEdgA:9 a=sLViFLdAzhKrLAZx:21 a=dsNe1Y0ilUd8EXyn:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=qtyMPpPvNdoA:10 a=JFLLmj4W_BAA:10 a=JgL6sTUlBcsA:10 a=0vksvMZRuTEA:10 a=Ki9j9A26RgQA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uWM2GsfHPyAA:10 a=LuNFSA0Xe1kA:10 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Keep it flat on upshift Lift on downshift Once in OD you can shift through the gears if you want to or with a little practice you can go into or out of OD between shifts. The only place I used OD at Summit Point was on the front straight with a 4:5 rear end. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:54 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? all this talk about overdrives made me realize I don't know the proper way to use one - I am taking the TR4 to the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend (supposed to be dry but cold) and this year, the overdrive is working - last year it wasn't (loose connection - easy fix). So, it's the first time I've actually driven a car with overdrive, as none of my previous LBCs or BBCs have had one. Do I: - keep my foot to the floor on the upshift - momentarily lift and on the downshift: - keep the revs up - turn the OD off at the same time as downshifting for the turn while the clutch is depressed? I'm assuming I can stay in OD and shift between 3rd and 4th normally? I'm looking for both the "preserve the unit" answer and the "what can I get away with and for how long" during racing answer. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 10:07:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B1242F57 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:07:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C140425 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:06:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.61] (c-76-99-29-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [76.99.29.73]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWT00HE6WSMFYA0@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:05:12 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-25_02:2013-11-25,2013-11-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311250119 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:05:10 -0500 References: <6FCABC92678A4E3F8479FFA63A0DD4F5@gdhs.local> To: john hasty Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net thanks - I have the 4.5 rear - agree that elsewhere the gears were "ok" - don't have a close ratio box and would prefer a taller second gear for the carousel. On Nov 25, 2013, at 12:03 PM, john hasty wrote: Keep it flat on upshift Lift on downshift Once in OD you can shift through the gears if you want to or with a little practice you can go into or out of OD between shifts. The only place I used OD at Summit Point was on the front straight with a 4:5 rear end. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:54 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? all this talk about overdrives made me realize I don't know the proper way to use one - I am taking the TR4 to the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend (supposed to be dry but cold) and this year, the overdrive is working - last year it wasn't (loose connection - easy fix). So, it's the first time I've actually driven a car with overdrive, as none of my previous LBCs or BBCs have had one. Do I: - keep my foot to the floor on the upshift - momentarily lift and on the downshift: - keep the revs up - turn the OD off at the same time as downshifting for the turn while the clutch is depressed? I'm assuming I can stay in OD and shift between 3rd and 4th normally? I'm looking for both the "preserve the unit" answer and the "what can I get away with and for how long" during racing answer. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 10:07:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E429142F7D for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:07:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4943F40425 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z10so5876729pdj.30 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rzQX5zVlYJU1b9YizyVDXGqwsIHCBF9Nnrhv4vReV8I=; b=ryyOP/SFR6eIZEJZHvwga+l/3HiC6MOL2QNCURgBMsLSiPBAzgPCO3u5AU6oW0k9T5 Osf7OEu8eNpP+57rrGphATwHGChxQMyaiN6P1Igz/wR9/s1p3nb1amGqeQ4wT0SpMaYh /dNjEUj0xDfKRv4OefpGU4khq+vcKToaCPNzGKOftW45MW76bBSGNHzBmn8lDKCyA6FY 2W0pErAE5jpulbv3gBH716cTShhryFtSdHrycZxUreoPm1EP5jyvw4/9xXBG/UdZujz3 s5ZIQVrA5BsqXQBRkt6FNFeLKJkBgXBibbZ9ptm7MLVp2R8anMir6JUN2bbqUtH7k+ve HMBg== er2mr12475323pbb.10.1385399178816; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.26.50 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.26.50 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:06:18 -0800 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Scott Janzen Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, I keep it floored when up shifting. I shift the gears down before disengaging as I can better keep from over reving. Did not have OD at K Cup as that tranny had died. On Nov 25, 2013 8:54 AM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > all this talk about overdrives made me realize I don't know the proper way > to > use one - I am taking the TR4 to the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this > weekend > (supposed to be dry but cold) and this year, the overdrive is working - > last > year it wasn't (loose connection - easy fix). So, it's the first time I've > actually driven a car with overdrive, as none of my previous LBCs or BBCs > have > had one. > > Do I: > - keep my foot to the floor on the upshift > - momentarily lift > and on the downshift: > - keep the revs up > - turn the OD off at the same time as downshifting for the turn while the > clutch is depressed? > > I'm assuming I can stay in OD and shift between 3rd and 4th normally? > > I'm looking for both the "preserve the unit" answer and the "what can I get > away with and for how long" during racing answer. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 10:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A9E40434 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:58:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy17-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy17-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [74.220.201.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 176A24041E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:58:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9909 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2013 17:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO just64.justhost.com) (173.254.28.64) by oproxy17.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2013 17:57:07 -0000 Received: from [173.20.105.192] (port=62723 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl0PD-00006K-9V; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:57:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:57:03 -0600 To: Scott Janzen , 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.20.105.192 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I give a very brief lift when upshifting unless I don't. :) Like at the start of the race I keep my foot flat, but later when I'm not side by side with someone I'll give it a brief lift. Shifting out of OD is normally done under braking. You can leave it OD when shifting from 3rd to 4th, but I'd almost always go from 3OD to 4 then to 4OD to keep the revs up. On the downshift, sometimes I'll leave it in OD - like go from 4th OD to 3rd OD because the corner wants that ratio. Cheers, Tony At 10:53 AM 11/25/2013, Scott Janzen wrote: >all this talk about overdrives made me realize I don't know the proper way to >use one - I am taking the TR4 to the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this weekend >(supposed to be dry but cold) and this year, the overdrive is working - last >year it wasn't (loose connection - easy fix). So, it's the first time I've >actually driven a car with overdrive, as none of my previous LBCs or BBCs have >had one. > >Do I: >- keep my foot to the floor on the upshift >- momentarily lift >and on the downshift: > - keep the revs up > - turn the OD off at the same time as downshifting for the turn while the >clutch is depressed? > >I'm assuming I can stay in OD and shift between 3rd and 4th normally? > >I'm looking for both the "preserve the unit" answer and the "what can I get >away with and for how long" during racing answer. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 11:28:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D7742F60 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:28:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCCB4006C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:28:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id t60so4223345wes.17 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XfHgWK7/apfyay0bMIACsttJrBtKZFmI8MyJ3SVUxdI=; b=XyifRSyt5oCoaH66zWWl54wztlt9cozlRYt/R0b8q2UHh86oOvpmUsCH7AmaICp8FO e1tXm4NFHDIo26y5273BTjsemALw2I0M4atfDE6/5s2BOITtkKxoFHHsbgu+/4nX7OSw k0UlEf3Umj/HExIjZ4VdKnl5rIqBVdOleQgb9qZtG3c//bU92B/QBby2HU/9ssDyi0zz O5rOCH7fkACAGYnXpfp1fBEq9ix6jGOaISA5jwcEVFeroqp6Wrr8p493Lioos1m6uMgk 6RJJNzOoVsSoNTl2u9wqr5B/zwWbar2GiydHuLOMyjvSbANFnYXR9MV1ZCRN+IvxUTG7 WwGg== c5mr14954167wix.3.1385404008384; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.243.198 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:26:48 -0800 (PST) References: <20131125175855.B483E4041E@autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:26:48 -0500 From: Robert Deanes To: Tony Drews Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] engaging/disengaging the overdrive? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I do the same as Tony and have been running my drive since 2007 with no problems, I will probably have an issue now, I use the rpms and the OD to keep the power going...love it. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > I give a very brief lift when upshifting unless I don't. :) Like at the > start of the race I keep my foot flat, but later when I'm not side by side > with someone I'll give it a brief lift. Shifting out of OD is normally > done under braking. You can leave it OD when shifting from 3rd to 4th, but > I'd almost always go from 3OD to 4 then to 4OD to keep the revs up. On the > downshift, sometimes I'll leave it in OD - like go from 4th OD to 3rd OD > because the corner wants that ratio. > > Cheers, Tony > > > At 10:53 AM 11/25/2013, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> all this talk about overdrives made me realize I don't know the proper >> way to >> use one - I am taking the TR4 to the Turkey Bowl at Summit Point this >> weekend >> (supposed to be dry but cold) and this year, the overdrive is working - >> last >> year it wasn't (loose connection - easy fix). So, it's the first time >> I've >> actually driven a car with overdrive, as none of my previous LBCs or BBCs >> have >> had one. >> >> Do I: >> - keep my foot to the floor on the upshift >> - momentarily lift >> and on the downshift: >> - keep the revs up >> - turn the OD off at the same time as downshifting for the turn while the >> clutch is depressed? >> >> I'm assuming I can stay in OD and shift between 3rd and 4th normally? >> >> I'm looking for both the "preserve the unit" answer and the "what can I >> get >> away with and for how long" during racing answer. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 15:10:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6170B42F78 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:10:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B148642F58 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2013 22:08:28 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.192] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2013 22:08:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2013 22:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 96691 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2013 22:08:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385417308; bh=PgUOB0I1YBfJIt6GMLwJsiIxoQGVJmP1Oz40NnOmWcI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1hG6g0to6gN72Q6fGiUvgIvARhAPKuPq1zhRySBpUXkD1KqsfgmLDhLxRUg1K93C9AndYL4iSHy4W75ZHmXFqrM0io+CwyjTksRVaJpLHZceG7XbuucZ/NOXaeJDe2WSFOWHTKoCMSivWhV74I+RhuMAdkpux2epwjgt1pN8I9E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JOS7yYEJA+5fkSiKVcnbTAdsOOlJWgv4fb+PsyvtzFcni1Ioo1+Hnd8RotYBGr9JGD2teSiEg3FSVzwjvUZEam2Yvzu7PccDgixil0GRGKh0+PKlMYt+OqoABjXu6pNjhj5C8XOfV4NYk0YcRx90lpRK2XcOp1xZndAWqHYhPD8=; K7zIfk13VD2IrZPR1mXQZQgpyQwaaGZE.TiF9XcGCzh50H7CGYXOUv2Ejczy 4.Lm2CjD.MLhjNxAPiJ.3iyz7xJLlOA.5efnps2ntwu17r0VggKyBoAkEGBB 4LBgNWEkdS6XYz9wYfPPze3uDRXJxLemHxvJayHlvH4WT1tzcmk7WY.1cCU9 .eCABcTEzi2BycXhZtsBPrMRNox.0n16XEuAKT5GPmjEsebfVHjGqwJoO5R8 IDs0hhiVD.wRBeO.OT7A7xejs4bvadYuQxIZhzW0AZUh7yssYVZe3UW3piwd 4vRMkVdVms9rEqkBuqbrzvKxcAXaO9DCNDpt1bMUuhkRYgofzUersIyuZ.Du ZWT29i25_aYR6TP1AhmZIRPj3h.wF6mMBHv3PJ_ba1jHe.5onJR.KHsgPGwG 0Lr4XfClRcHI93GZBNMA2sC.utCMt4AB0M9S2heFqc1qs0n8X1mqXboks1u4 sY2qBbYmL8EoYTdlWtKgkw9Pn9NKn7STFECM9a8vNv3NefQBlnwWDFgdnG8T Y72rcH_1dMWNy79vwDvTE3NvL8Dc00xSrW.ik_bqygTnLwluDKr3dbZbePMA 6Kzimpxk89YLoeJ2edLHJTsSU2E_uFaiH4Q.hri0.kFyUM5D_Gn.JUSTDGYW Tpd2xyaksLVl235Nw.UrVJAEAWrpKhGp.7lRJNBnhXbPcbIllwyMdGg-- Received: from [66.242.210.8] by web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:08:28 PST Sm9lLArCoCBJIHJlZ2lzdGVyZWQgdG8gYmVjb21lIGEgbWVtYmVyIG9mIFRWUiBhbmQgcmVjZWl2ZWQgYW4gYWNjZXB0YW5jZSBlLW1haWwuIEkgaGF2ZSBnb25lIHRvIHRoZSB3ZWJzaXRlIGJ1dCBkbyBub3Qgc2VlIGFueXBsYWNlIHRoYXQgSSBjYW4gY2xpY2sgb24gdGhlIHdvcmQgImNhdGVnb3J5IiB0byB2aWV3IHRoZSB0cmFpbGVyLiBKdXN0IHdvbmRlcmluZyBpZiBJIGFtIG9uIHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0IHBhZ2U_CktlbiBTdWhyZQoKCgpPbiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIE5vdmVtYmVyIDIwLCAyMDEzIDg6MjggQU0BMAEBAQE- References: <3B010B01-4DB4-4A8E-8638-DB35FE3DB1B3@cs.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:08:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Suhre To: Joe Alexander , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013. Video Trailer is now on the-vintage-racer.com website.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, I registered to become a member of TVR and received an acceptance e-mail. I have gone to the website but do not see anyplace that I can click on the word "category" to view the trailer. Just wondering if I am on the correct page? Ken Suhre On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:28 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: If you go to "Category" and click. Click again on line item to open up. Click on arrow to start trailer. Quality of trailer does not reflect the DVD you will receive. Will start shipping when DVDs arrive today or tomorrow. Wednesday/Thursday Use of the website is preferred, but you can send check. Thanks.... A.R.E. 645 1st St. Jesup, Iowa 50648 Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com/ Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 15:43:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BF542F8C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:43:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB0642F60 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.4]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 593357003621B; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id E6BC0E0000B6; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 17:41:28 -0500 (EST) References: <3B010B01-4DB4-4A8E-8638-DB35FE3DB1B3@cs.com> <1385417308.92147.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:41:26 -0600 To: Ken Suhre x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385419289; bh=BQ3MAWDfdMQV1t9egLtxCZk9GPz3vFCpxn9o1twirXM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ypu4tjukpOenRU7AMSAMP1wNcGf+TdoaVEw5OnbWzUx2w1qSkLJ1T0jrVHLToLt3w jxcnlh2L+g87sHMurk7USzPa3ShnELv2Wbuy1W2WTX92So0SyadgB5BzypeGW4aDUM h3VPquZf/uLKWADTxEzKCBMEXvVf7mnntM+o/Wbk= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29045293d2185db9 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013. Video Trailer is now on the-vintage-racer.com website.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It's kind of redundant. Click on DVD category and you get one line item. Click again on line item. Another line comes up and below it there is a frame with an arrow. Click on arrow to view trailer. Not sure why it is necessary to click a second time on the line. Sorry we didn't see more of you up on top of the hill. Regards, Joe Sent from my iPad > On Nov 25, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > > Joe, > I registered to become a member of TVR and received an acceptance e-mail. I have gone to the website but do not see anyplace that I can click on the word "category" to view the trailer. Just wondering if I am on the correct page? > Ken Suhre > > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:28 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > If you go to "Category" and click. > > Click again on line item to open up. > > Click on arrow to start trailer. > Quality of trailer does not reflect the DVD you will receive. > > Will start shipping when DVDs arrive today or tomorrow. Wednesday/Thursday > > Use of the website is preferred, but you can send check. > > Thanks.... > > A.R.E. > 645 1st St. > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 04:28:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3DA40551 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:28:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6316440433 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:27:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [107.9.199.20] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO mtmPC) for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:26:55 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:25:43 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7qmj49HrsC/hoASgudppkUdw/2hg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing (non-overdrive). I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it up good. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 04:55:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F1D40530 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:55:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s40.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s40.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1CC40433 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:55:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT405-EAS41 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s40.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:53:58 -0800 References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> From: Vince G Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:53:56 -0500 To: Mike Moore FILETIME=[310B4E80:01CEEA9E] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Permatex UltraBlack is a good product. Make sure the mating faces are good and clean and wipe them with a residue free, solvent based cleaner before assembly. Sent from my iPhone On 2013-11-26, at 6:27 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing > (non-overdrive). > > > > I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it > up good. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 05:27:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3422542823 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:27:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out9.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out9.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE1040452 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([114.198.67.42]) by icp-osb-irony-out9.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2013 20:25:50 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Mike Moore'" References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 23:25:43 +1100 Thread-Index: Ac7qmj49HrsC/hoASgudppkUdw/2hgAB5VrA Content-Language: en-au Cc: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, If you use the gasket use Permatex formagasket Non-Hardening gasket sealer. Black colored, brush on stuff in a little bottle. Otherwise, delete the gasket and use permatex ultra grey. The best stuff. Cheers... "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2013 10:26 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gasket Seal My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing (non-overdrive). I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it up good. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 08:36:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078B64287E for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:36:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc3-s27.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc3-s27.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAA740531 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT148-W76 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s27.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:34:54 -0800 From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: Peter Vucinic , 'Mike Moore' Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:34:54 -0800 References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net>, FILETIME=[0E0BB590:01CEEABD] Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Goes for any mating parts .....both surfaces need to be flat, clean and Dry. Ultra-gray RTV works very well on the gearbox casings. :) Tony > From: pvucinic@netspace.net.au > To: mmoore@wave1.net > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 23:25:43 +1100 > CC: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal > > Mike, > If you use the gasket use Permatex formagasket Non-Hardening gasket sealer. > Black colored, brush on stuff in a little bottle. > Otherwise, delete the gasket and use permatex ultra grey. The best stuff. > > Cheers... > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With > A Lage Fortune!" > Kind Regards > Peter Vucinic > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mike Moore > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2013 10:26 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Gasket Seal > > My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing > (non-overdrive). > > > > I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it > up good. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 09:06:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4443F42EEA for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:06:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp11.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp11.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954E64054C for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:05:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from b3.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.103]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id rAQG1PXZ016059 for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:03:51 GMT References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> , Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:03:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Honda and yamaha use "hondabond" or "yammabond" for gear cases with metal to metal contact / no gasket. They purchase this from "threebond" a Japanese company who developed this tennacious goo. The particular product is 1194. I.E. "Threebond 1194". Available on amazon or ebay. Or just go to a honda or yamaha retailer. Just get the "non-hardening" variety. It dilutes with laquer thinner. It's like smooth toothpaste. This is an option for those that like to try different products. The holy grail is yet to be discovered. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:34:54 To: Peter Vucinic; 'Mike Moore' Cc: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Goes for any mating parts .....both surfaces need to be flat, clean and Dry. Ultra-gray RTV works very well on the gearbox casings. :) Tony > From: pvucinic@netspace.net.au > To: mmoore@wave1.net > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 23:25:43 +1100 > CC: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal > > Mike, > If you use the gasket use Permatex formagasket Non-Hardening gasket sealer. > Black colored, brush on stuff in a little bottle. > Otherwise, delete the gasket and use permatex ultra grey. The best stuff. > > Cheers... > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With > A Lage Fortune!" > Kind Regards > Peter Vucinic > TR-4 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mike Moore > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2013 10:26 PM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Gasket Seal > > My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing > (non-overdrive). > > > > I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it > up good. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 10:38:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B4A429B9 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:38:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F2B40551 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:37:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from GebruikerPC ([141.134.4.155]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id uHbh1m00b3LgakV06Hbkwu; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:35:44 +0100 From: "Van Mulders Marcel" To: "'Mike Moore'" References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:35:40 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7qmj49HrsC/hoASgudppkUdw/2hgAMfBJA Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hallo Mike, Not to make you panick, but 2 months ago I thought I had the same leak : between main housing and tail of my non o/d gearbox. In the end it was a growing crack in the main housing, at the corner between the bottom and rear wall : a week before a race week-end I had to build the dogbox internals into a spare main housing. I heard of a rally car where the tailhousing together with the rear wall of the main housing was broken of the gearbox. Marcel, Belgium -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Mike Moore Verzonden: dinsdag 26 november 2013 12:26 Aan: fot@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Fot] Gasket Seal My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing (non-overdrive). I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it up good. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 10:47:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B16D42EF6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EEE40551 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1E7B67017F7D8; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dgb002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.69]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C1863E00008C; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:01 -0500 (EST) References: <7C64B5B110224A12B6BB98C98C0E68EA@GebruikerPC> To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be, mmoore@wave1.net Received: from 98.77.44.236 by webmail-vm030.sysops.aol.com (149.174.158.54) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:01 -0500 From: fubog1 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:46:01 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385487962; bh=EdlZOpX2vbjWNP4Ql3uxx7qfrpx6C22KP3lnFIG9MZU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GrvvW/Vtug0qgwL2dQ6GHq0F9NCjce/JJfSUCCTuz/h2C4fYShICIPhgo/NTV1DKt 988PD9zGwg/CKwS1OmzyZnHYD2W/Ap2EliQ48gmJ6blOMMmKBJSyLSfJtY8HALRw3a 1N6Iuoiy5TIsFDKRWv5IW0EnXhgE+lJE88UO0Dxw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b5294de593b78 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal/cracked housings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Permatex "right stuff", no gearbox gaskets, no leaks. Related to cracked tailhousings, this is very common with the Spit/GT-6 box, usually caused by driveline imbalance. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Van Mulders Marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> To: 'Mike Moore' <mmoore@wave1.net> Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Hallo Mike, Not to make you panick, but 2 months ago I thought I had the same leak : between main housing and tail of my non o/d gearbox. In the end it was a growing crack in the main housing, at the corner between the bottom and rear wall : a week before a race week-end I had to build the dogbox internals into a spare main housing. I heard of a rally car where the tailhousing together with the rear wall of the main housing was broken of the gearbox. Marcel, Belgium -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Mike Moore Verzonden: dinsdag 26 november 2013 12:26 Aan: fot@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Fot] Gasket Seal My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing (non-overdrive). I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it up good. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 10:50:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A02640E1A for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:50:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF57540551 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uES91m00J1Y3wxoA2Hp0HZ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:49:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uHoz1m0084L5TyG8bHozTA; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:49:00 +0000 From: Bud R To: Mike Moore Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:48:58 -0700 References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> s=q20121106; t=1385488140; bh=mevCDAwyF/XBlGVmOAAlE17B/icby+CK+Yiswl7Xnds=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=n3IKzj/UC2lWywDVJSOtu9APWoWobz3g3IJMPUIIk4u8vOFdVkiA/FuKsJ1Yp0xjf FCNTxDLhw6Tze9AvMDmYNjgvWCg7k2FRBUGHxL1u05WL+ybaFj2Km47y88fFV/Vv/y iIV9lh/kakVJerd76ZO5ZK8VWs1qrSwyPsvdZJ8jt9yfVytrxsX/3IY6ajzX3jmEjB GmqWNsbk9Oj9kS+v3ZRQrizL55hbS1LzXEONTYwpqQeFlHT3Ahmzq6uzvSQCGWgdnF tAK+1ZORYk6SSeyXupA/VB40RmghGzQmlsd4oZ91SWjrO627ntRUmlf4D1UPNSy3TR jEY1nHIpLm2Xg== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I use "the Right Stuff" from NAPA on most things. I've even used it to dab onto the outside of a timing cover leak on my TR6 as a temporary fix and it held off an oil leak there. I used it on my recent Spitfire engine rebuild for everything that needed a sealant. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Nov 26, 2013, at 4:25 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing > (non-overdrive). > > > > I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to > seal it > up good. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 10:57:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8320042EEE for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:57:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DD840551 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131126175551.ZYAA6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:55:51 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([66.227.248.126]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id uHvq1m00M2kNDRN05HvrnC; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:55:51 -0500 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:17 a=eWhS8cdA148A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=G2CXVJfoEtgA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=zTB0ptPJgndwl0pS9tIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=CJKe2SHHetjBh2+vfkuEoQ==:117 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:55:49 -0500 From: Glenn Franco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Call me old fashion, but I use Permatex High Tack on one side (keeps the gasket in place) and chassis grease on the other. Works every time when you have 2 good/flat surfaces to deal with. Also if you goof up you can disassemble without tearing up the gasket. If the surfaces are questionable like on an oil pan where you have sealing blocks to deal with I use High tack to hold the gasket in place on one side and High Temp Red Silicone on the other. My experiences with the Black is not so good since they started using it some 30+ years ago. Just my 2 cents worth Glenn On 11/26/2013 6:25 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > My transmission is leaking between main housing and tail housing > (non-overdrive). > > > > I bought a new gasket, but what do you recommend coating it with to seal it > up good. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3@charter.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 12:37:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D4A42F01 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:37:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from ex.dunnwalshholdings.com (ex.dunnwalshholdings.com [173.219.117.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1C742787 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c]) by TITAN.dwholdings.local ([fe80::6cea:93a1:26a:8c3c%15]) with mapi; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:33:48 -0800 From: Edward Dunn To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:35:24 -0800 Thread-Topic: The Big Picture Thread-Index: Ac7q0IfijR24tj0ySXCxe8CdEmltGwADBtiw References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> <5294E0A5.3060501@charter.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [Fot] The Big Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The gasket seal thread has got me thinking about this. There is obviously a deep & wide breadth of knowledge among this group. We've got this great internet invention, but it seems like we're not utilizing it fully. My point is that these questions are brought up, and several good answers are given. But then it sort of drifts away into sea of threads. It would be good to have a sort of repository or digest of technical Q&A. I don't think we need to include all the race reports necessarily, but rather an easy to use tech section. If it's already here, forgive my ignorance, and point me in the right direction. If not, how hard is it to do a tips & technique, repair advice, race prep advice etc. section? A lot of what we do, especially in race prep is sort of "folklore", carried from one person to the next. We have this terrific network of experienced racers / engine guys, etc to share info with. Ed Edward Dunn 1964 Spitfire #22 1971 GT6 #757 West Coast Vintage Racing 4700 Acacia Way Penngrove CA 94951 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us [cid:image001.jpg@01CEEA9A.1B0971B0] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 13:34:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0FB429A2 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:34:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C98340395 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id va2so6355733obc.36 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:32:54 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OV7hMunCrPYxNCi6fzzCuE1Xxzkglh1ohKX4CQYIhDY=; b=lqRxc740oVHCzPp1H3LYZ2Vx181zYBAyFzzY/onMP/qcBX4/1dnqeHSbRxxEG6TIQ5 R/AfDi7zZOcdPogStJCW0Tke1LdiM0XQwgc81TZGa8bB6nFD6OwlSvrnGEZUqd9p8kGR nd83UDlPITipWRa2nA9LXJfYlObRabDIDYl72KaEb4WHiz0yCl3hoU5GgiO8+NDRLKfF Jpff0ScEDOmjZBKWv5AO3k3Ng1f3iOH88GK+SwPl9Ev1dnIu7Zdoi08IDO0YbpkBOa3y antXwD8FDlK+zVmoh2w6bs2uyapGvXx7V2Yw9TBNxRlsJwPFkPXjYkJkb9mu/F24jmS3 dYxw== Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xr8sm70407693obc.12.2013.11.26.12.32.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:32:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:32:51 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> <5294E0A5.3060501@charter.net> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0206F68EA050@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Big Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/26/13, 12:35 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > It would be good to have a sort of repository or digest of technical Q&A. I > don't think we need to include all the race reports necessarily, but rather an > easy to use tech section. If it's already here, forgive my ignorance, and > point me in the right direction. If not, how hard is it to do a tips & > technique, repair advice, race prep advice etc. section? > > A lot of what we do, especially in race prep is sort of "folklore", carried > from one person to the next. We have this terrific network of experienced > racers / engine guys, etc to share info with. > > If it helps have have been capturing some discussions and putting them on my TR web site. I grab emails that I find interesting. Unfortunately I'm about 50 strings of saved emails behind moving them over to web pages. http://www.tr3a.info/Net.htm TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 14:27:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B1C42EF6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:27:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EC640531 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so6690551oag.18 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=Ym5rsmmxNQsw7I0oD+htZG9X6m/NcepHU5yXcmeKlhY=; b=1AXzHTfTF2sPpHEqexxXAWwXTbEmv1tMytn96+1mg8taOiCiZvjMtf5FfnpqCOjD8q O2aIFp6z+dFUmjDEwJpqK5030gj4RGArVEvphVi5u5uYQ5EE6op+qJluSydws1r6nR1v jnazGlHtw0e/5kTcJ2X0I0ghVCkrHUvSt3ab7U4g96sEw6WZyJ/PDeahiABwFtMGJvyf Cuq2dWEZl8418+TIoB4qulDm1HVeeMM1MzoXHLiyVTQ8moOFPgJE83u4FFVzK0/1tzPF ya84FcVEwFejR1cnUwMBolkewcqP2dfgmTN/Cj5dRU+puZq83ioBWPqo3y1D6i8d0h68 /frA== sd2mr3332244oeb.63.1385501114058; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm74936515obi.14.2013.11.26.13.25.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Charlton Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:25:11 -0600 References: <000c01ceea9a$3e9d1c30$bbd75490$@net> <5294E0A5.3060501@charter.net> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0206F68EA050@TITAN.dwholdings.local> To: Edward Dunn Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] The Big Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, Some of the Morgan guys got together and created a Wiki site exactly for this purpose. There have been other repositories of information (some here are familiar with SOL -- Scions Of Lucas -- for example). I don't know what's involved in creating the Wiki initially but it's easy to write an article and add it to the site -- I did one regarding upgrading stub axles a year or two ago. You can see how it looks at: https://sites.google.com/site/morganatica/b (seems to be down at the moment). Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > > It would be good to have a sort of repository or digest of technical Q&A. I > don't think we need to include all the race reports necessarily, but rather an > easy to use tech section. If it's already here, forgive my ignorance, and > point me in the right direction. If not, how hard is it to do a tips & > technique, repair advice, race prep advice etc. section? > > > > Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 18:09:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D074291F for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:09:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3386E403DA for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:08:43 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QNmRSOZpZ3ivoyq14cw3sgWQ4t1QA63fsDezZImmSpBI59jt1IyScMb7cY3gXisR; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.45] (helo=elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VlTaW-000402-UO; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:06:44 -0500 Received: from 108.64.186.7 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:06:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:06:44 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: steve To: Edward Dunn , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] The Big Picture: List Archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, This list contains tons of great info, wisdom, and colorful opinions. Go to this link http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/ and search for any aspect of Triumph tech and you'll find what you need. It's fun to read as well. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Edward Dunn >Sent: Nov 26, 2013 11:35 AM >To: "fot@autox.team.net" >Subject: [Fot] The Big Picture > >The gasket seal thread has got me thinking about this. There is obviously a >deep & wide breadth of knowledge among this group. We've got this great >internet invention, but it seems like we're not utilizing it fully. My point >is that these questions are brought up, and several good answers are given. >But then it sort of drifts away into sea of threads. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 20:52:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8BA403FC for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:52:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B9EF0403A6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 20:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:50:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:47:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.153] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:47:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.212] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:47:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 03:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 9290 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 03:47:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385524071; bh=bjzSlYTyWd+BJO5otGhKAkqzF4ARfF1Wf6Of2dCUnh4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6lV2K2f0rlxJL4Xm4k0QFjv1iQfXKjlS9r8puBSBC7Z7DwxNpp4iGtsTcKTo0rZeJxuwtDKffa6vP4HZjflIJUFXWkD8BRXNj08GQL6YT0J9pKj9A3DzRYccfurNni0avlahjQuYoDjXLeCi9K/5QHEtdcyn3FSkAdO2O7tr0a8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mzYmiMZbNDcYdnlX8Qj63QS4FPVOn4A2jQI3+79SsX1vgO5RZdKVG4yqv3XhI7MD7dOBaslV7677K4lIebf3q7oNNGEWNMlWW0QXBmBApECUc/xPxAKO6kp3JYmOoNJw3Bfdra3k92ZZEF/Er725FO3m2I3iR86RcmQecHMYG/c=; YXoyF8Xi_CyksMbtxI86xVGxamcIl_GnPFBnEwFxKwUGj4ZDsmWyHf4sOhaK 0sZJul6vW1AJTJbkzHmBU0jff6Oi4A3WAEOx4IIsAmekUczpvTxaDXLCxbRc Rz8cTepCIuQ5y0sGvtZYWGqfpLSXOf5P7hoIi_PkezKUoAf2lsv0RqOw6tHE XnIZFrSMra.6Q62XkXeFDZbu.21Ifj_Cd7oPk7Kq17myCTIQ9DpBxMewlW47 s.1j2O9lQi2tv_d.LNpxDPJiXb_pchfJMwbh455bzHVEG041z8LRR_i9siXT OHQry8BnBm0vb4AyKczoIJePWnOU6PZfbyKDkpnVVrpN9hVUyceOL6wej_KO 0FbVcoxD5Tqdo6Kc8iYVI4vil7XFKhyjUYIt87Rfmekv1y2nH7RqQSx6Vz2K z5ZUduAux5e9OtxkBVd86CfyN5F5Gy8BtDray3NDMPQTqa3h9tQrElQJdBfj kXjHBXxQl1jF5oPGkX81yMxrmco_PqIVxG8k8Xv4J6ESTS904kU02JHN.n4M iKNWEeqqsBkkvnlH.OE5Xogyas5.R Received: from [71.59.231.219] by web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:47:50 PST RG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgb24gdGhlIGxpc3Qga25vdyBvZiBzb21lb25lIHdobyByZXByb2R1Y2VzIHRoZXNlIHBhcnRzLsKgIEkgYW0gZG9pbmcgc29tZSBmaW5lIHR1bmluZyBvbiB0aGUgVFI0IHRoaXMgd2ludGVyIGFuZCB0aGlzIGlzIG9uZSBvZiBpdGVtcyBJIGFtIHdvcmtpbmcgb24uwqAgTWluZSBpcyBmYWlyIGJ1dCB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIHR1bmUgaXQgdXAuwqAgCsKgCnRoYW5rcyEhCk1pa2UgTWVobAoxOTYyIFRyaXVtcGggVFI0ICM0NgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:47:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Pivot and Bell crank Moss# 371-440 and 371-420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone on the list know of someone who reproduces these parts. I am doing some fine tuning on the TR4 this winter and this is one of items I am working on. Mine is fair but would like to tune it up. thanks!! Mike Mehl 1962 Triumph TR4 #46 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 21:13:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CDF42713 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:13:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamkiller.fastbytes.com (spamkiller.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E49403A6 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:13:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from 192.200.141.204 (AVG SMTP 9.0.932 [3629.1.1/6370]); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:11:52 -0600 Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.198] by spamkiller.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id A106C0012E; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:11:50 -0600 Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id A0FF0428; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:11:43 -0600 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Mike Mehl'" , "'Triumph Friends of'" References: <1385524070.49635.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:11:46 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7rI/xSvNOtDIHBSjm2rfGrohjtCQAAk2hQ Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] H6 Pivot and Bell crank Moss# 371-440 and 371-420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I plasma cut the part and finish machined it as well as a new pin for the stationary part and fit them up for our race car. Same problem they were very "sloppy". As I recall, I cut extra parts and have notes on the machining. I'll have to look it up in my notebooks. As long as you don't need it right away I could probably make another one. Let me know if you are interested and I'll take a look for the parts and my notes. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:48 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Pivot and Bell crank Moss# 371-440 and 371-420 Does anyone on the list know of someone who reproduces these parts. I am doing some fine tuning on the TR4 this winter and this is one of items I am working on. Mine is fair but would like to tune it up. thanks!! Mike Mehl 1962 Triumph TR4 #46 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 04:56:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464BB42F09 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 04:56:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E1B40453 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 04:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [107.9.199.20] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO MTME5530) for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:55:27 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:54:16 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7rZ2RXqTreP64OR1mbF61MFPXkOw== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: 2ng= Cggx EKqn ERWP EcWv FgX1 F4u7 GW7u HHFQ Hsbr IBrw INrR IhvS Iqmt IsZK J8gL; 1; ZgBvAHQAQABhAHUAdABvAHgALgB0AGUAYQBtAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {C480A101-BF15-4EC3-9B03-92BA00694F99}; bQBtAG8AbwByAGUAQAB3AGEAdgBlADEALgBuAGUAdAA=; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:54:13 GMT;RwBhAHMAawBlAHQAIABzAGUAYQBsAGUAcgA= x-cr-puzzleid: {C480A101-BF15-4EC3-9B03-92BA00694F99} Subject: [Fot] Gasket sealer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the input, found out some interesting info, anxious to get it apart this weekend. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 05:01:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE54D42F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:01:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.wave1.net (unknown [74.219.105.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C07140526 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:01:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [107.9.199.20] by mail.wave1.net (ArGoSoft Mail Server .NET v.1.0.8.3) with ESMTP (EHLO MTME5530); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:00:48 -0500 From: "Mike Moore" To: "'Tim Murphy'" , "'Mike Mehl'" , "'Triumph Friends of'" References: <1385524070.49635.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <001501ceeb26$caa5ef40$5ff1cdc0$@com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:59:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7rI/xSvNOtDIHBSjm2rfGrohjtCQAAk2hQABBmDRA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Fot] H6 Pivot and Bell crank Moss# 371-440 and 371-420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mine is really sloppy too. I was wondering if there were a bushing that could be inserted into bell crank lever. I have a couple extra from older part cars and they are the same. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:12 PM To: 'Mike Mehl'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] H6 Pivot and Bell crank Moss# 371-440 and 371-420 Mike, I plasma cut the part and finish machined it as well as a new pin for the stationary part and fit them up for our race car. Same problem they were very "sloppy". As I recall, I cut extra parts and have notes on the machining. I'll have to look it up in my notebooks. As long as you don't need it right away I could probably make another one. Let me know if you are interested and I'll take a look for the parts and my notes. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:48 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] H6 Pivot and Bell crank Moss# 371-440 and 371-420 Does anyone on the list know of someone who reproduces these parts. I am doing some fine tuning on the TR4 this winter and this is one of items I am working on. Mine is fair but would like to tune it up. thanks!! Mike Mehl 1962 Triumph TR4 #46 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@wave1.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 07:35:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7219A42F0E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:35:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAE54287E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:35:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC0B670000093; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.82]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AEE9EE000082; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:34:05 -0500 (EST) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:34:05 -0500 (EST) To: tjwakeman@gmail.com x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385562845; bh=AbqRLouV97+zSvFk740Xegs2YRAIuewBDkhHBS8lGkU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JbC2NkzSZgR3VE1kCG+FD0ofokj0BUBrlxh19lq+Q/kGL/u3vkrMSGp8aftKvrrn3 w938BLl7RYlVZhAwKiCzSjnkQGLWxkRHcnmTHvTAwitpW8+egGVqYoax881IH0K/B+ /qQarnlhZLpeZzaJILyAzKRQtRKZUZ3jX6nJJ8vw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389529602dd62ca Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Big Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 11/26/2013 5:30:47 PM Central Standard Time, billdentin@aol.com writes: > If it helps have have been capturing some discussions and putting them > on my TR web site. I grab emails that I find interesting. Unfortunately > I'm about 50 strings of saved emails behind moving them over to web pages. > > http://www.tr3a.info/Net.htm > TeriAnn... I think your website is another a great source of Triumph knowledge and information. We Triumph aficionados owe you for maintaining it. I had not visited it for a while, but did so again last night. I particularly enjoyed reading Kas' take on 'vintage racing' compared to what actually happened back in the 1950s. 'Era Correct' is a book with fifty chapters. Thanks, Teri... Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 08:18:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1732F4291F for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B884003B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:18:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.17.140]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWX00F2BH36S240@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:16:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Mike Moore" , References: <000101ceeb67$65f83fd0$31e8bf70$@net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:16:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Gasket sealer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I have a BFH if that will help! Happy Thanksgiving to all. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:54 AM Subject: [Fot] Gasket sealer > Thanks for all the input, found out some interesting info, anxious to get > it > apart this weekend. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 09:09:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F28842F0A for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:09:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F14542F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:09:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uf7y1m0030cQ2SLA3g7Wn3; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:07:30 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([67.170.200.248]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ug7V1m00H5N3clv8Wg7VUX; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:07:30 +0000 From: Dave Hogye Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:07:28 -0800 To: Friends of Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1385568450; bh=OYD22CNFWfje3hQ2mcSYP6H/6uw8R1W/0NsLYCxd/hE=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To: Mime-Version; b=cn5q2mJLt6IVFB2CZ8PeqAmX3C0/hHaW6KVTRytnJgs2OzErjB7Q75FoeGLV/WJ+m cCnXNmoUNzBJrJiBn4elQ8eg8j3MFywe6FyfV+CQrmfn/4/MWXvlpeVWKcz6YeFPpz lxQDZwtcYK5fiZqheVI8G8Sw8jMG3CqH+wjoEgY9rCH47wPkggYbQxJlKjLf449jFb 7Aa1wRz41u9gc3n8gyt9yIyZVQg2OXJZ3aDd235RP0XxttOvuq8O39CqSIBuKwet18 hUjgmaOAQmWtIPqfYIPjEvO5TcjT5lWh54vx34VoKy2xEjpRL5q0wBpBfE6Z+rC+yr p1nhTltT+mdqg== Subject: [Fot] bushed bell crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Mike and Mike, I made a bell crank with a shouldered bronze bushing from hardware store parts. It works perfectly and I don't think I'll ever have to fiddle with it a gain, except maybe add a drop of oil every couple years or so. I might be able to make a couple up if you'd like. Here are some photos of the set up. Dave H. http://s1305.photobucket.com/upload?location=Subaru WRX STI/bell crank _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 09:19:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DD042F2C for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:19:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9136E42F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:17:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ufYv1m0040EPchoAAgFYio; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:15:32 +0000 Received: from sz0047.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ugFX1m00r2yr1eL8MgFXKA; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:15:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:15:31 +0000 (UTC) From: davehogye To: Friends of Friends of Triumph Cc: Friends of Friends of Triumph s=q20121106; t=1385568932; bh=K5PjgRaP2rRP4kqkdATUKI8n79QbYnQbigKeDwjFUME=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GAgSfVtvbAnNoyXGryfM/W/t/dqj4Gz/FYYOWNtyDLdNpcZJUWdxTnAqVEVCe8ri2 40u8Vf1U5aNnvyDkchQnPAnE//zGNCRbGKoA/KcucPQQjRlfhDvlkltYhRWxp3C1qq jCDaVTJFG2oDU3HkSdi9ppninwHc+iPEiRCNDP5A06nFzXlGVxtSYWhOEhNcW6+tx1 rDso5eyzZM7NKshbH9fr7k7Qhl6AwYRV9+RT4HDrmZE4mWLSJq8IzKdEHL2u7L8gY3 7LIBtZCBu/H2qtmrKFyMeAKo50TTJRno0o9SZwGDSOVTYmuHiC8+WaPMR5TQ426k5w x41qlxC+3JJ4w== Subject: Re: [Fot] bushed bell crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oops, looks like the Photobucket link didn't work. Anyway, I'll send you a couple photos a little later. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hogye" To: "Friends of Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:07:28 AM Subject: [Fot] bushed bell crank Hello Mike and Mike, I made a bell crank with a shouldered bronze bushing from hardware store parts. It works perfectly and I don't think I'll ever have to fiddle with it a gain, except maybe add a drop of oil every couple years or so. I might be able to make a couple up if you'd like. Here are some photos of the set up. Dave H. http://s1305.photobucket.com/upload?location=Subaru WRX STI/bell crank _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 09:45:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8E242F20 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:45:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9166942ADC for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id en1so7047997wid.11 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:43:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gTAsPrkHLNLuhYQnZ929RxAL3posX8hOPlYOFTZJksQ=; b=R0gddn74iR37PJ1VMboT3ndFnFFOKzzZOMWIMy9okTyJQvkYfbzStpMG/NPqjLDZ2f Sg9Lbi0SYijl2vBLlCIm6zNnNJuNs3zK1lfEG7Jx6W/s2pi0HkzJYyg1WveQKQjOGmwJ guKxn9h/7bqdtOaF20btJMDfFg/pEua1psNaSLiAMSmU3/8IPXMN3kh1kejc7JSwhQyE sCsFSsld4emORnz/7uRer65ohQSqGDlHwcitS8SqdWFsNh4UoK8VzLt9+c9t/kAZbT6s luUqbHErq6vLzQMubqqsVgi/7SAWiFNvGhiB/tydx7guQytn8kF1JhsQeyadB0Az0RJ7 whKQ== on6mr32939867wjc.14.1385570624277; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.243.198 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:43:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:43:44 -0500 From: Robert Deanes To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Thanksgiving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wishing all a safe and Happy Thanksgiving ! -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 10:44:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B0642F1B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:44:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamkiller.fastbytes.com (spamkiller.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EC042F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:44:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 192.200.141.204 (AVG SMTP 9.0.932 [3629.1.1/6371]); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:42:34 -0600 Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.198] by spamkiller.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AF071CC0148; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:42:31 -0600 Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id AF0904C4; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:42:33 -0600 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Dave Hogye'" , "'Friends of Friends of Triumph'" References: <7F635AD8-1945-4AEB-AD8D-E24D984163CB@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:42:27 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7riuKYxUtkchOfS/qwTzvL9vfb/QADQsNA Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] bushed bell crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In our case the pin was also very worn and I had to replace that part also, Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hogye Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:07 AM To: Friends of Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] bushed bell crank Hello Mike and Mike, I made a bell crank with a shouldered bronze bushing from hardware store parts. It works perfectly and I don't think I'll ever have to fiddle with it a gain, except maybe add a drop of oil every couple years or so. I might be able to make a couple up if you'd like. Here are some photos of the set up. Dave H. http://s1305.photobucket.com/upload?location=Subaru WRX STI/bell crank _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 10:54:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A16942F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:54:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A9942F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.198]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 199EE70000088; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id C8354E0000E8; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:53:03 -0500 (EST) References: <7F635AD8-1945-4AEB-AD8D-E24D984163CB@comcast.net> <000201ceeb98$0f88e830$2e9ab890$@com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:53:01 -0600 To: Tim Murphy x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385574784; bh=BxdFLbmMIxDgZCe6WBsNceuuAd0/3xrzwgNMsEFjO6Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=MgV65ZV7id4Nfe13+ItBsOzpDJL2Q5j5B3C0a9n+ZwMgnHTZVEhOGODdAKQ6SUc++ qPniiIfeM2VO+fuJw4CHp4PLkexOx5mZ8g7B2bzEZS01ecpnQlVmqse/B++1ZEVU+K 9KhHRVlq3wP6WTmCxQFXu9NHOBUI5h9Prc/fyITs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c65296317f1e19 Cc: Friends of Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] bushed bell crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We have been planning to do these parts for about three years, since Tim provided the drawing. We would do both parts in stainless steel. Simple stuff with the right equipment. I suppose we should resurrect the project. So many Triumphs, so little time. Joe A. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > > In our case the pin was also very worn and I had to replace that part also, > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave Hogye > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:07 AM > To: Friends of Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] bushed bell crank > > Hello Mike and Mike, > I made a bell crank with a shouldered bronze bushing from hardware store > parts. It works perfectly and I don't think I'll ever have to fiddle with > it a gain, except maybe add a drop of oil every couple years or so. > I might be able to make a couple up if you'd like. > Here are some photos of the set up. > > Dave H. > > http://s1305.photobucket.com/upload?location=Subaru WRX STI/bell crank > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 11:49:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8EA42F1E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:49:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamkiller.fastbytes.com (spamkiller.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7E742F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from 192.200.141.204 (AVG SMTP 9.0.932 [3629.1.1/6371]); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:47:25 -0600 Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.198] by spamkiller.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id AE2620E0148; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:47:02 -0600 Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id ADE807C4; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:46:00 -0600 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Joe Alexander'" References: <7F635AD8-1945-4AEB-AD8D-E24D984163CB@comcast.net> <000201ceeb98$0f88e830$2e9ab890$@com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:46:02 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7rmY5J8oQXmpRwRx64LPF1o9b/HwABzdzg Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Cc: 'Friends of Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] bushed bell crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You're right Joe. As long I'm reviewing this stuff now we should make the real effort to do it. I will be in touch. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:53 AM To: Tim Murphy Cc: Dave Hogye; Friends of Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] bushed bell crank We have been planning to do these parts for about three years, since Tim provided the drawing. We would do both parts in stainless steel. Simple stuff with the right equipment. I suppose we should resurrect the project. So many Triumphs, so little time. Joe A. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > > In our case the pin was also very worn and I had to replace that part > also, > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Dave Hogye > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:07 AM > To: Friends of Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] bushed bell crank > > Hello Mike and Mike, > I made a bell crank with a shouldered bronze bushing from hardware > store parts. It works perfectly and I don't think I'll ever have to > fiddle with it a gain, except maybe add a drop of oil every couple years or so. > I might be able to make a couple up if you'd like. > Here are some photos of the set up. > > Dave H. > > http://s1305.photobucket.com/upload?location=Subaru WRX STI/bell crank > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse > but could not find any section which it could render. Please send > plain text.] _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 12:37:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E75D42F19 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C544940075 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id m10so5035643eaj.26 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:35:37 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=YGEPxWMeH+mtC1bv5H/NtEpiKj65/nEscsoZBS/dwIE=; b=cddwwAVATGB3Sao2aesHx62CgPPCgyUViZeedNHmwCGc38oKw8X+2CZfNExJ7eT/tA I4IRpq+i06H4OVFRChlW4lF7CaYH2wZ4vT21Hz0xS5/Xn5pA3ZXspzBBiiPRgx7XBH5E sVPj2xYj3+uit7+oKp1C27FP6CxDW5Zd3mYe3aiyAdFP+YKEaj4DH1TNrPNBxcDddWmS dd/M6jXxlhNQ5Dp1LtggpkruLQhHdKbUsLeHaWZWHwPkrFqZ2Y/vYomjIdvJ9wAIWmp1 zBk0pwshiyY986KikrGFkvsY2++d4Idy4QL2GZMBdMOh6PYWEurpLtrpu90detN6Q8uO h2xw== f46mr671011eeo.108.1385580937733; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([109.46.181.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 1sm22588221eeg.4.2013.11.27.11.35.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends'" References: <3B010B01-4DB4-4A8E-8638-DB35FE3DB1B3@cs.com> <1385417308.92147.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <67A30F8E-EE68-42B4-8B67-B77A58E11C6A@cs.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:35:37 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7qL4xjjuXlWBUxSfmlcmGho1ZSdgBeBZBg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013 DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net DVD arrived and is so nice to watch. I didn't notice that there was a camera team around. If so, I would have done my hair better. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 12:47:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915D042F17 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:47:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EB942ADC for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C5353700000A6; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.82]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A3139E000085; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:45:27 -0500 (EST) From: BillDentin@aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:45:27 -0500 (EST) To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385581527; bh=C4sRWIVpOt01zCpJI4nDpsR2XevOBf/nSRJHUO9Djww=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CfqbPRKgh/SuRzLvi8GaoYStHI+i7JEExdCTlpW5yW7SmZr1/WdISqrBsZuEGgsKA /208F10V48gWJfF4kkL6N5gIHcEKER+nOP2lN5MfLg+5PZYPMIZr4hEV5Joi9gMSbe z/Gu8C3RJ5mOn+QI48nRCSX79X5Js3fbhW7gHBx8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b52964bd73209 Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013 DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net In a message dated 11/27/2013 1:35:52 PM Central Standard Time, tr4racing@googlemail.com writes: > DVD arrived and is so nice to watch. > > I didn't notice that there was a camera team around. > If so, I would have done my hair better. > > Ja, or closed your pants, anyway. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 12:50:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5769B42F13 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:50:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f177.google.com (mail-ea0-f177.google.com [209.85.215.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B12742F08 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f177.google.com with SMTP id n15so5022844ead.22 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:49:00 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=1/wwJqm56+RdjsOJfynmc6Bwywb+qsDb0kYosjaHuAU=; b=Nf0Zi18VcrtPiDvQP85mTSZMgvBnJ/PqoKfK5t7UayFUk9crIMWv8+sXS531qxzQAg byvAFgH2lNjSPIFXImk/OJNY2Ng/Klc7uXwgvJdTmt0VJ8rBraPxcGJzgFYpEj4FEKRb MTBxfVtLOn2XkILKGLRUnRqa9g1f/y6rJcDouuy1ZxY/ZWShZIOQQFCbwUSUOg68TIjK V0Tj3DLLnMU8vKiwMFWCPOjNDgL5+OzMEO+FagSiIUtqaEyvXuEA5GUhBNdjOAMT8YRa lgsGsz6Ukbs1gP5C0HdDby27VVfjKnrBf3edjhK/x9o2+B4kwRGGhgX1kfmdCSPodiBJ Y1xA== g8mr21802eer.148.1385581739982; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:48:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([109.46.181.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j46sm22698725eew.18.2013.11.27.11.48.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:48:59 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7rqTkUdslyD5opQWGHVPLZwD9NYAAAGgvA Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013 DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ive checkedno evidence on the video that shows anything wrong with my pants. Von: BillDentin@aol.com [mailto:BillDentin@aol.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2013 20:45 An: tr4racing@googlemail.com; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013 DVD In a message dated 11/27/2013 1:35:52 PM Central Standard Time, tr4racing@googlemail.com writes: DVD arrived and is so nice to watch. I didn't notice that there was a camera team around. If so, I would have done my hair better. Ja, or closed your pants, anyway. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 13:00:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF81542F48 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:00:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97DE40453 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:00:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.130]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 86A1F701607A4; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 30B7EE0000EC; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) References: <3B010B01-4DB4-4A8E-8638-DB35FE3DB1B3@cs.com> <1385417308.92147.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <67A30F8E-EE68-42B4-8B67-B77A58E11C6A@cs.com> <006101ceeba7$da6cc3f0$8f464bd0$@com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:58:35 -0600 To: MadMarx x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385582317; bh=eh1s/++AKb/RtXsr1pneWgPpfJrWho33+nbPClOv624=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=IkR+BB7557IibQnBaGh3YpwgJjhi4GwYa/NkZr3gXxE9O80pnySWI0coyFl1D3mw4 FBIFGZ/ODWn1lznhuxYg9ZEY/OEhHAFSZq2EMlBtGc65Z4USobi4xdsT94lGSPnooO X1ifjldxPuys/jAYDGfeqZQutcks/dZ1H69dHmS0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338252964eed1824 Cc: Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013 DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes Chris....you are right up there with Paul Newman. PLN would have been proud of you. There is some nice footage and captioning of Henry Frye, Mark Wheatley, and Leo Oddi. Not sure if they monitor the FOT list much. Perhaps someone could let them know the DVD is available. It's a keeper. The back stories abounded that weekend in September. Turn 14 and the FOT Garages were magic. We are going to do it again at Eagles Canyon in 2014. Joe A Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2013, at 1:35 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > > DVD arrived and is so nice to watch. > > I didn't notice that there was a camera team around. > If so, I would have done my hair better. > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 14:34:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EAD42F21 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:34:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991F642F08 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:33:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FC8A0372 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:31:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:31:56 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Happy Thanksgiving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net to those who celebrate it. I'll be heading out of town soon, hope nothing blows up while I am gone. Back late sunday. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 05:57:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE2742A14 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:57:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f180.google.com (mail-ea0-f180.google.com [209.85.215.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341DA40524 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:57:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ea0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f15so5728428eak.39 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:55:42 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=IWNPvSduAP1XSnkTL5KJ/IAwBLqWT1tsrF9xuL65C48=; b=r1DX/2uGp7qPQGExW16GUH/EMSkpIgM1TdyJi0gECIe5hIUJCMIUqFg4DPaKpb3Ht5 XS/NhnCR28OpjUZd8+RKBiJ2/rvuy8Gxn3dLzrpTfWWQsALcNlZPv/51HYlu93WEPMZ2 nzjraly72vlacg4DOAJ7yw9wpBfDUfyDPqH/hAjldc6HUnaUiYZKqjKUjA3BKdsBW83n O5MXe9gV244ThL74BVLS52WQ8eycDAt2IrbZuDpWHmETAltW/9iLnCIt8T0CYwkG/fEg 7CMZh2E8+QPGM/sxDTxlmysA7Eq2rWNoE5RIVQCKsZNv4DK5zdhXLDQSg6NnrISebx4z 6DUw== a47mr5481681eeh.41.1385643342582; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-84-235-239.web.vodafone.de. [109.84.235.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h3sm4549612eem.15.2013.11.28.04.55.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 04:55:42 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Friends'" References: <3B010B01-4DB4-4A8E-8638-DB35FE3DB1B3@cs.com> <1385417308.92147.YahooMailNeo@web126102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <67A30F8E-EE68-42B4-8B67-B77A58E11C6A@cs.com> <006101ceeba7$da6cc3f0$8f464bd0$@com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:55:40 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac7rqw/1bOCs6ZtRTmeudl/N0BOtrwAjd5CA Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] KCup 2013 DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I watched the video several times now and must say, the TR8 looks like an UFO between the other TR's. Funny. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 08:40:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605EE42AB9 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:40:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d07.mx.aol.com (omr-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE5340454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:40:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.77]) by omr-d07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E9EEB70179DE3; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mld004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mld004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.122.82]) by mtaomg-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BFD72E000082; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:38:51 -0500 (EST) To: gasket.works@gte.net, N197TR4@cs.com, fot@autox.team.net From: billdentin@aol.com Received: from 70.194.132.112 by webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.235) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:38:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:38:51 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385653131; bh=gRV6hJ6WESTQUwVQfgIDSYcaPYJTWnV0lAgl3g0hwUQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vwZaxXXeXW+lZmGW+Nf68vB7j7bDKYnzG1Xf0ahr1Ksnp9Wjdy8cHY/Q26Aou21vd cGt+fP6JLAz+wpXN5n9B6G5T95oIV+/B7xi8pBTzXq6ndX+5HF7taIS1AOevZV8FUE Daj0noI1wOVL1k0mxFSwSMl0/GvbDsoOZFmxSVs8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d5297638b3fc8 Subject: Re: [Fot] The Bigger Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net <<< Gentleman: some demographics Do you have a feeling for the stability of triumph club's nation-wide? Folks ove, economic pressures, younger and mid level folks may not have excess hobby esources, fewer cars as some restorations go overseas, etc... The current ntry-level club "vintage" racing scene will follow. The higher end will remain lat. Thoughts ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> ordy... I've thought about the issue, including the items you've mentioned and the impact they have on the hobby. My own interest was tied to the sports cars I lusted after in my youth, but could not afford until in was in my 40s. I notice those generations behind me have different tastes (i.e., muscle cars, in particular). That impacts our marque and road racing. But I also think one can argue that the investment value of collector cars in general has improved in the current economy. Mike Cook might have a feel for the 'health' of 'Trium;ph Clubs' these days. I suspect some are doing great, others not so much. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 09:15:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F05742A14 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E2240454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:15:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v3v91m0021eYJf8A54Dtxu; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:13:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v4Dr1m01M4L5TyG014DsWr; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:13:53 +0000 From: Bud R To: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:13:51 -0700 References: <8D0BA6711D1C1FD-1FC-8D58F@webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com> s=q20121106; t=1385655233; bh=dzJisC9HLBoKmpnNEt/X65tz4OWHLrcX5+XhvYcs1sw=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=lp0Mf1Aj9kpB7OZWnL67BsdbZNMzqTMK23oJGOi2OUJbsBhR7mZQZ6n5cpfVT2Nsf uq3DTdUD9CM2ql7wuELPaG4fn/rf6ukDVrSM8nmCCioKOaUv+7xmTzWmAqjX6IY+DQ DPS8mEOzGVe01acdDDq0m+/4DV54Ty9M1Kx+6M5mfwWuHX/IlTsn5lqrCT/zAb8vbd yNj6yjiegfin05FZlVHiRn14K3EgFZA+MH4vNsq56xEo2Pnjc5KhYH1IH6Zxt7xvWx SK5yXLLtzcf2CyemPDsOBclDLsh5O3bZMAEgvVV1zH8vwM5soVIdAb0/HKs2/K35LC MM8p8jbMCj4fQ== Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Bigger Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I saw more young people with Triumphs at VTR2013 this past October than I had at previous VTRs. I've had similar concerns about the future of vintage cars and vintage racing but was encouraged by what I saw. I made a point to engage some of the younger folks in conversations about their cars and was happy to see a lot of the same dedication and enthusiasm that we have. They share our love of good looking cars and going fast so there is hope. There are quite a few young people racing in the Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing races and in our little segment of Triumph racers there's a twenty YO that has already been racing a couple years in a TR4. His younger brother (16) already has his a TR6 that he's working on. When you see young people at these shows and races talk to them. They know cool when they see it and a little encouragement goes a long ways. Happy Thanksgiving Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:38 AM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > <<< Gentleman: some demographics > Do you have a feeling for the stability of triumph club's nation- > wide? Folks > ove, economic pressures, younger and mid level folks may not have > excess hobby > esources, fewer cars as some restorations go overseas, etc... The > current > ntry-level club "vintage" racing scene will follow. The higher end > will > remain > lat. > Thoughts > > ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> > ordy... > I've thought about the issue, including the items you've mentioned > and the > impact they have on the hobby. > My own interest was tied to the sports cars I lusted after in my > youth, but > could not afford until in was in my 40s. > I notice those generations behind me have different tastes (i.e., > muscle cars, > in particular). That impacts our marque and road racing. > But I also think one can argue that the investment value of > collector cars in > general has improved in the current economy. > Mike Cook might have a feel for the 'health' of 'Trium;ph Clubs' > these days. > I suspect some are doing great, others not so much. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 10:32:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5608B42EED for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:32:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 581CE40415 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:32:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 17:30:41 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.56] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 17:30:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 17:30:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385659841; bh=q+tCtFiGqZThT+VswgwDT0jKb/Bzpsz5psv7UcSM8Ig=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=6DwpSNdz6EumqmwjGbT2UkuzA8loHr11+ZTF4crZhBNlcs0y29X48HJUqSQk1CxIn3pGJH4Sbup2Y0ADkGOXhaC5H90frIoQR0N6Xn8sjfVKSDov61o9ipeZBQUfbap0gXqgjmbG+cKUQBFmMhu5Hw3JyS/U+V2AS1KPSFRG5VA= RUEAj6PqmUFizZOzKTyXsLp.OB42MO8TJHiKZEhdNhnZhFtzPC36nQ88rLdx OG74bxainTRIZF6uk_oOvdvPkVpFH188pJKK2UjvMNdP3lu3k5t9sW6wAMds hBOnv1JFDFdPBdgSFt_u4c4t1GhDNjP355zMleRiF_VCnPhyPOPyh7gOm2dP Jq2ED7u7A3dmL3WLMcliZgm.pTVq1oTOul9rzU08JZcWXPvTAKNn1a03C9Kz XuZYmXN7pjZehWi.EmuPQAuZ_ydgeOsiT21e_urFcfbz_9mjZwWh83UrSe14 Z.rUP3JTtmC51nA6HHPO5ilqc8AuykxUFpVHjd7jx_NLdEy30y14Ts88vDW4 feMKqvxaACOC20c1w_zEVxLOtXQEgs6JLD73FaI0rg.CjAqcOji9LevdMAYh kS5yIZ0Ch48xotNHuf6n.I1lDOQHC65qFQSY17nbsXc77NBMV.xNP0QXYXX4 1WKEuPv0gRLpXHgvDhHv.YohVWHj8O9I4rteMzw8buuZ0cbIm6iDdj_zMxOc RS0XmXwZq0Zdihk.f2KnPWoV.ccVWjfM82l_2TPV3kZ3ALPsF2wtFIocQTww gj.l5Z7rb by smtp207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2013 09:30:41 -0800 PST References: <8D0BA6711D1C1FD-1FC-8D58F@webmail-m217.sysops.aol.com> From: Andy Packard Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:30:37 -0800 To: Bud R Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] The Bigger Picture Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Our club in SF is healthy with nearly 100 members but we can lack in geographic cohesion and we're aging as with all clubs of this type. This year we're making a concerted effort to upgrade the technology utilized by the club to promote inclusion, efficiency and presenting the best image of an active club we can. The sad but true fact is that as current Triumph owners age, there will be a large volume of ownership transfer in the coming years. When this happens I expect younger people to be drawn to the fun affordability Triumphs offer. If Triumph Travelers can have a great online presence with social media and ecommerce capabilities developed, we should be able to capture this crowd for membership. I'm curious about what steps other clubs are taking along these lines. Andy Packard President, Triumph Travelers Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Bud R wrote: > > I saw more young people with Triumphs at VTR2013 this past October > than I had at previous VTRs. I've had similar concerns about the > future of vintage cars and vintage racing but was encouraged by what I > saw. I made a point to engage some of the younger folks in > conversations about their cars and was happy to see a lot of the same > dedication and enthusiasm that we have. They share our love of good > looking cars and going fast so there is hope. > > There are quite a few young people racing in the Rocky Mountain > Vintage Racing races and in our little segment of Triumph racers > there's a twenty YO that has already been racing a couple years in a > TR4. His younger brother (16) already has his a TR6 that he's working > on. When you see young people at these shows and races talk to them. > They know cool when they see it and a little encouragement goes a long > ways. > > Happy Thanksgiving > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > >> On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:38 AM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: >> >> <<< Gentleman: some demographics >> Do you have a feeling for the stability of triumph club's nation- >> wide? Folks >> ove, economic pressures, younger and mid level folks may not have >> excess hobby >> esources, fewer cars as some restorations go overseas, etc... The >> current >> ntry-level club "vintage" racing scene will follow. The higher end >> will >> remain >> lat. >> Thoughts >> >> ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >> ordy... >> I've thought about the issue, including the items you've mentioned >> and the >> impact they have on the hobby. >> My own interest was tied to the sports cars I lusted after in my >> youth, but >> could not afford until in was in my 40s. >> I notice those generations behind me have different tastes (i.e., >> muscle cars, >> in particular). That impacts our marque and road racing. >> But I also think one can argue that the investment value of >> collector cars in >> general has improved in the current economy. >> Mike Cook might have a feel for the 'health' of 'Trium;ph Clubs' >> these days. >> I suspect some are doing great, others not so much. >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 19:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E95042EFA for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:49:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC6403FE; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:48:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([unknown] [71.116.17.140]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MX20042I2ECRM50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:47:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Andrew Packard" , , "6 Digest" <6pack@autox.team.net>, References: <1423AA4B-FAE1-4808-9A0F-004549D5D266@att.net> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:47:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR250/TR6 pedal box and inner steering column from a TR4/TR250/TR6 needed for TR4 Lemons racer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, I should have one lying around. Let me check in my garage tomorrow. I'll keep you posted. Cheer, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Packard" To: ; "6 Digest" <6pack@autox.team.net>; Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:09 PM Subject: [Fot] TR250/TR6 pedal box and inner steering column from a TR4/TR250/TR6 needed for TR4 Lemons racer > Hello all, > I'm sending out a broad communication to my car club, Friends of Triumph > racers and the 6-pack group in search of help procuring the two items > mentioned above. > > Today allowed for some time to devote to the TR4 Lemons race car project. > > We are trying to find a solution for a dual circuit brake system that is > cheap > and doesn't require a lot of fabrication. Since I have a TR250 a few > steps > away from the TR4, there is a good comparison for a stock dual circuit > system > in a very similar car. It seems reasonable to us to try and use a > TR250/TR6 > pedal box assembly with clutch and brake MCs and maybe even the booster in > the > TR4. The bulkhead area is a little different than the TR250, but could > easily > be configured for the later pedal box. > > The TR4 we bought was a Rotary conversion with a few Mazda parts, > including > the steering column. We have a spare outer column to use, but need the > inner > components down to the rack in order to get things fully connected. > > The punchline of this email is that we need a complete TR250/TR6 pedal box > and > the inner steering column from a TR4/TR250/TR6. > > We have a limited budget to spend if you are willing to sell either of > these > items. If you have them just lying around and want to help get the first > TR4 > to ever appear in the 24 hours of Lemons closer to racing, donations are > definitely accepted. I'm in the Bay Area of California and would be > willing > to pay shipping on any donations. Please contact me directly at > apackard68@att.net if you are able to help in anyway. > > Andy Packard > President, Triumph Travelers > 24 hours of Lemons racer in the Killer Zombee (as in MGB) -- Trying to get > out > there in a Triumph! > 925 577-7704 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 20:21:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062EA42F86 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:21:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82711403FE for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.194]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 91284700000AE for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 4A704E0000AC for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:18:57 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:18:55 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385781537; bh=WuVyMcuxezz5H80kjh95vWgNqaLRR+kJIIkif4+g99Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=VUv33tLtVIB92gWqjDkc8RuMqFCZiHFaYb/4ozWYZsX+tPu2/FOdDUVx8zzbMpAo6 mcL6fjpT7+LrPMSpsrT71ktD57J5GWT67u2B9YKNZssyYlU1EN3B1RITPXfPhzSP2b +tWm3/szwrFemszZ+wu4cx83YndZix68KkHhgWr0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c25299592100de Subject: [Fot] Pistons.....new or good used. 87mm TR4. Wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FOT, Building a modest back up engine. Anyone have a suitable set of pistons available? Thanks.... Joe A Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 20:32:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5313E42F9E for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:32:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from spamkiller.fastbytes.com (spamkiller.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9649A40441 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:32:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from 192.200.141.204 (AVG SMTP 9.0.932 [3629.1.1/6379]); Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:30:32 -0600 Received: from mercury.fastbytes.com [192.200.141.198] by spamkiller.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.00) id ABD616C0028; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:30:30 -0600 Received: from TimDellVostro [192.200.136.236] by mercury.fastbytes.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id ABBD058C; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:30:05 -0600 From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , References: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:30:03 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7tev+Tc4BM8NkeRLiqIJQlXD39egAATBYw Content-Language: en-us Organization: FastBytesWireless Inc. Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons.....new or good used. 87mm TR4. Wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Joe, We have the stock 87 mm pistons out of our engine. We replaced them with forged aluminum ones. Unless I use them on Ryan's engine rebuild, they are available. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 9:19 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Pistons.....new or good used. 87mm TR4. Wanted FOT, Building a modest back up engine. Anyone have a suitable set of pistons available? Thanks.... Joe A Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph@fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 09:02:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28A042FE2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:02:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s36.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s36.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBC042FC7 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS19 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:00:51 -0800 From: Marty To: "FOT " Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:00:51 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7t43m/sZIibg1dQVSk/A8UJi75Eg== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[57DF2AA0:01CEEDE5] Subject: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Learn me shot peening. I know shot peening connecting rods is a recommended addition. Being the anal retentive nut that I am I want to understand more on the process. Shot peening is kind of like saying paint your car, as it is a very generic term. There are all kinds of different shot sizes available and then there are pressures used. There are multiple places around that I can take rods too so that is not an issue. Just trying to understand the process more. Or is shot size and pressure not that big of a variable? Again, just wondering. Any thoughts on this subject? Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 09:30:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7462A42FF6 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:30:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5671642FBF for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (cpe-172-250-204-67.socal.res.rr.com [172.250.204.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F388238EA6; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:28:30 -0800 (PST) References: From: "J. Wagner" Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:28:33 -0800 To: Marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wiki and Google have a lot on the subject. Where critical, sounds to me like one should put more trust is a company that specializes in preening, say for aerospace customers, than "Bubba" using a converted sand blaster. --Justin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_peening > On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Marty wrote: > > Learn me shot peening. I know shot peening connecting rods is a recommended > addition. Being the anal retentive nut that I am I want to understand more > on the process. Shot peening is kind of like saying paint your car, as it is > a very generic term. There are all kinds of different shot sizes available > and then there are pressures used. There are multiple places around that I > can take rods too so that is not an issue. Just trying to understand the > process more. Or is shot size and pressure not that big of a variable? > Again, just wondering. Any thoughts on this subject? > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 09:52:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAAA42FF4 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:52:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0E942FBF for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.3]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1176C7000009A for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id BF418E000085 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:50:25 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:50:26 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385830225; bh=leFqbBuW7vZqBVL1SyVKoZVVxQJ6kTfVJ2pNUyI4DvM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=bbAYcRIWzqtL+kOS/eh9zdxnVDFyZt6AP3udtqRXguAyMWeqIIKnBqLLiCF6mwoJn TSDC4rEf4CutIZH/DpP8Qg4yEjnNR8M1r3v9GCqguww/A5FlUgzZ0WR/f/B5fr4dEw l/s8w6iSa3TuSJInYkaaxXv3w4l5oKg0r9cRMC7c= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2903529a17511208 Subject: [Fot] Got Pistons......thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net What a list! I have a new set of Hepolites coming. Thanks to all that responded. Joe Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 10:01:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC8942FF4 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:01:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DF542FBF for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:01:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (cpe-172-250-204-67.socal.res.rr.com [172.250.204.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D002738EE8; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:59:16 -0800 (PST) References: From: "J. Wagner" Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:59:18 -0800 To: Marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The zoo has some little folk that specialize in "preening".... (Damn spell checker and need for reading glasses!) > On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:28 AM, "J. Wagner" wrote: > > Wiki and Google have a lot on the subject. Where critical, sounds to me like > one should put more trust is a company that specializes in preening, say for > aerospace customers, than "Bubba" using a converted sand blaster. --Justin > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_peening > >> On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Marty wrote: >> >> Learn me shot peening. I know shot peening connecting rods is a recommended >> addition. Being the anal retentive nut that I am I want to understand more >> on the process. Shot peening is kind of like saying paint your car, as it > is >> a very generic term. There are all kinds of different shot sizes available >> and then there are pressures used. There are multiple places around that I >> can take rods too so that is not an issue. Just trying to understand the >> process more. Or is shot size and pressure not that big of a variable? >> Again, just wondering. Any thoughts on this subject? >> >> >> >> Marty >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 10:08:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B696542FF2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:08:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1D342FC0 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:08:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo20so11030774obc.39 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:06:20 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gTUq8GL30SB7JCyetndnNdRiXknAjXQau4jmegcJF2s=; b=oFbmLdskwvouR5h4lfEZLOhGmhOmqztahn1E/iZTQyfmF0Jx+CUK/AbhPeYEmGHGSJ bsY5yE8C7N3C64dPvbrHAXTQECt93YZwxHRpJD98X6xpMYebIUHn3S9baE+Gpi97spmv g6KU4QEr8J3O40LfzhACOndRu4c3gP0nDh3cSQnqhCQ/rLKNnjDFVdy7gxWkn2az8TfG daGuTlEa5RTf/gVRSdlYoVtltENBATnmEMAN0Z4zNQhBoBPWKiZ0vLJK5wFsYjmek6a9 kETdi7tdqQwip0t1uYobMFspuxqnrkOMgpsiULwp7ImEUQU61DvpqRbVn79Wcdga9DvX jC8w== pu2mr29588203obb.38.1385831180414; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm21851446oel.3.2013.11.30.09.06.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:06:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:06:18 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: fot@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Just trying to understand the process more. Or is shot size and pressure not that big of a variable? Again, just wondering. Any thoughts on this subject? What? You just can't whack it a few times with a ball peen hammer and call it peened? Bubba said that was what the rounded end of the hammer is for. For more information about what tools are used for I have a web page: http://www.tr3a.info/Net_toolDescription.htm ;) TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 10:22:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A4B40424 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:22:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950B4403D7 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:21:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vsni1m0011eYJf801tKwKZ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:19:56 +0000 Received: from locutus ([75.70.96.161]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vtKs1m0033UuT0T01tKvVU; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:19:56 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'J. Wagner'" , "'Marty'" Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:14:07 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7t7Y2oYYuWLxu3QBexVnLDdXp0iwAAepMg s=q20121106; t=1385831996; bh=iUMms7eTDAbxo0Nl+DZGGy7XMNzALFfINgk188Ephfc=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V8L4cob3E10oxtFOysvOstExBVW5AOquJqd96eLXPbuIltMvQ8odVLiTwrCoqU4wg PH+eGs/+trc4wZDkz2CLGLMj0z8Unp3K2RuJfqO7hqYNolobGVETS+n7e+v0HK/Pq3 /QP+o4QmfcHKj4G6LAEroIhaRo+eBuAl8+8sYl4tsYbq3jJQNWj7vQ2/AWRH5sukTM 13E6AvAhgxp4xUNriBNiE1tX5fJ1R6pDyHmYljXkO2SYEHagFwobYGoMRLSTI/Q3Pv EdMZ3UQAw7S14pW4VFSgWVxTN1DXGix/sV7/qorTABSVQCGEbPLjDU37SZhwh9Qmxq MqQrkveEsm7Ew== Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Let me get this straight...never preen with a ball peen hammer ? jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J. Wagner Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:59 AM To: Marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening The zoo has some little folk that specialize in "preening".... (Damn spell checker and need for reading glasses!) > On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:28 AM, "J. Wagner" wrote: > > Wiki and Google have a lot on the subject. Where critical, sounds to me like > one should put more trust is a company that specializes in preening, say for > aerospace customers, than "Bubba" using a converted sand blaster. --Justin > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_peening > >> On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Marty wrote: >> >> Learn me shot peening. I know shot peening connecting rods is a recommended >> addition. Being the anal retentive nut that I am I want to understand more >> on the process. Shot peening is kind of like saying paint your car, as it > is >> a very generic term. There are all kinds of different shot sizes available >> and then there are pressures used. There are multiple places around that I >> can take rods too so that is not an issue. Just trying to understand the >> process more. Or is shot size and pressure not that big of a variable? >> Again, just wondering. Any thoughts on this subject? >> >> >> >> Marty >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 12:06:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649A643017 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:06:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8453542F9E for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:06:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vv111m00316AWCUADv4RTM; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:04:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vv4Q1m0074L5TyG8Sv4Q1N; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:04:25 +0000 From: Bud R To: Marty Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:04:23 -0700 References: s=q20121106; t=1385838265; bh=r0gybgcbZZhF9NXTgbgZnV+hfuLkHdwYgoGYyJxS9/w=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=VWAUASej6kE357ozBZ/G8y3LQdH3Mo2kNxmQip4S4JkNX/v5OMkw0w7M2pzBnVbay vn1x5QHsq5ov4iyB533mwHyZP6tOWbwD21VlzmEIh5mVSY0Gj2xZPo2NvMBwfwoRo6 MoGaPpEbxEw2EmBucF4J6zzjYssrqhNfFurmRza1eNvjsUlSYiCgmEvhnIk8DUGJMe PeGAmt7AhV4f/fQNGK+HrDvvOPpRJUZwBbtqM8RrGx9cHYTrzTq9vB9JQWhzcKW1Tm v7Wai4nQD2kr6UpseLB7OTIVgeGhydg4xjlLSr+yjtOPIZLxEkKELdEulDmBBUjqPN XgCDHVCtR66lA== Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Marty, The shop (Blue Oval Performance 303-762-8298) that did the machining on my Spitfire block told me that doing shot peening correctly requires real expertise and that most places don't do it right because there's an art to it and just making a bunch of indentations on the rods doesn't cut it. I don't have the name of the company but Blue Oval folks said there's only one place left in the country that does it right in their opinion and when they have it done they send their rods to them. The rods in the later Spit 1300 engines were considered to be very good rods suitable for racing RPMs as is (according to Kas's book) and I was under a bit of a deadline so I didn't have it done but if you call Blue Oval here in Denver they'll be able to tell you more. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Nov 30, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Marty wrote: > Learn me shot peening. I know shot peening connecting rods is a > recommended > addition. Being the anal retentive nut that I am I want to > understand more > on the process. Shot peening is kind of like saying paint your car, > as it is > a very generic term. There are all kinds of different shot sizes > available > and then there are pressures used. There are multiple places around > that I > can take rods too so that is not an issue. Just trying to understand > the > process more. Or is shot size and pressure not that big of a variable? > Again, just wondering. Any thoughts on this subject? > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 12:58:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BF42FEA for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:58:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4234042E for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-DS12 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:56:55 -0800 From: Marty To: "'Bud R'" References: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:56:54 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGovymIo/y+/7sHOLMFD/+WfaAPNQG+P4N5mnyansA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[51E61250:01CEEE06] Cc: 'FOT ' Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bud. That is my underlying suspicion and the reason for my quest for further knowledge on the specifics of the process. Marty From: Bud R [mailto:levilevi@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:04 PM To: Marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Marty, The shop (Blue Oval Performance 303-762-8298) that did the machining on my Spitfire block told me that doing shot peening correctly requires real expertise and that most places don't do it right because there's an art to it and just making a bunch of indentations on the rods doesn't cut it. Bud _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 13:32:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC1042FF4 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:32:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DB84040B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:32:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20131130203018022; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:30:18 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 641341019; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:30:11 -0600 From: To: "Marty" , "'Bud R'" References: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:30:06 -0600 Cc: 'FOT ' Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Metal Improvement Company, Inc. used to do a lot of shot peening for racers. Don't know if they are still around. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Marty Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:56 PM To: 'Bud R' Cc: 'FOT ' Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Thanks Bud. That is my underlying suspicion and the reason for my quest for further knowledge on the specifics of the process. Marty From: Bud R [mailto:levilevi@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:04 PM To: Marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Shot peening Marty, The shop (Blue Oval Performance 303-762-8298) that did the machining on my Spitfire block told me that doing shot peening correctly requires real expertise and that most places don't do it right because there's an art to it and just making a bunch of indentations on the rods doesn't cut it. Bud _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 18:07:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3BF40520 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:07:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4971040434 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:07:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 55DF5701950E5 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dtc005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dtc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.17]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 23606E000087 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:05:48 -0500 (EST) To: fot@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 198.14.223.101 by webmail-d297.sysops.aol.com (205.188.93.237) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:05:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:05:48 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385859948; bh=OCfDJ+NQ4Dcs5XEVhHaRS4QgNXig8oBflPZ17fyqirI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BlcBAWBpPUXDf7fPmG1q2JIK56M6GRZKm3tNkEljJ3qdcU/bnhUT2qAujbScruc5V 2DZpOH+NVgdRjRB/Tg3fcvmCzGL2g01d3ZC34W3BPgp+WirnOY5ia/+0uZRFarpXQd 2/h8FEE4grKHG3cIdY1PQI7TaH8n8PLaPbaawa7g= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb529a8b6c5817 Subject: [Fot] RA-DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John - Joe: Just got the Road America DVD. Excellent - Thanks _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 18:32:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC1D42F56 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:32:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F494040B for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E1B7F700000AB for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8D1D4E0000EA; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:30:18 -0500 (EST) References: <8D0BC489AB7B48A-6E8-8FD4D@webmail-d297.sysops.aol.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:30:19 -0600 To: Bruce Lapierre x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385861418; bh=ojnZWNLwyWs+N/Ky4hQ1KSRNsDw2GiVEASpdSNTmekU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=cZEyCy4VtKlQ3Fx9Y1kGvyUYGKo8Jh6C/p8rc+hW/n7nGwnr189yfmtJFtm4T+/U8 lh95NLjYbdeWDwCBQxn3e+23sylodVvEDvNx8VKqhpsnlzFUS89O0e4HZBVHr396FQ KMTDvfpf3N+v3uOs/N9GVY/Csy3fz5XSuYvhBOh4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c5529a912a52b2 Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] RA-DVD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bruce..... Nicely balanced coverage of a very special weekend. The captioning of the driver and car on the track is very good. Telephoto lens allows some great shots going through 5, 8, 14 and more. I'd have to say that seeing a nicely turned out TR3 going through its paces is a bit more exciting than a TR4. Thanks to Dentinger, Munson, Willms, and Hasty....... I should mention that I am down to 10 DVDs out of 50. So if you want one, please follow through when it is convenient to do so. See the-vintage-racer.com Or. Gasketinnovations.com For ordering. Thanks, Sent from my iPad > On Nov 30, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Bruce Lapierre wrote: > > John - Joe: > > Just got the Road America DVD. Excellent - Thanks > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive