From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 06:41:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8AF2580871 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:41:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CD02580871 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:41:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2014 13:45:07 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.231] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2014 13:45:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2014 13:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 73682 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2014 13:45:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1417441506; bh=oeUesJ01kzcS/iK36WUxwRXNLnVxykNu2Asz8teY8zs=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fRIetPdnQ3ogCbctk5/wOsdrj19k9U4sXim+rXM9+aTANiKgYqNf7MLNywrxXc82JAB3Jx7Uij4ACClJbiHJDIWb2tGh5GamMWBC88Lj3YFhsakYbM/v4FZQ4hQXiEtAEq5/yhcc3585SU43CV4+XKnG10vF1Uoh8B8mKzoYc2g= JgqRVlVS3tDlpCxGjRI6DqshOPff05vTlzFe8H79pqlE2_eWdIg4CCIwTtnv EQ_ZzKM7cne32Mf1bYeZhvJUUPG1pGYZ4qInDEqwE80OpyQdoUWIjeT9jMdn iKlPCvlRGv1NwPskuWP3YeP_KKiIPQLLOP4Y4iepNXz0EGcMNr4ioXsLJhdl 2lf9nQM0mOXJYtrMZEbPRBnG6zAbPTK04aiIF7r2wis4ZLoINVEluh_ZSv3i bI5NwYDaeKXrCYxPCDDEB1qWfIeHB6K0yJUQ0w0N8ZHtrv.eY1N4kLiN7pbz fVzW3Kc_JpISJPX9A7D93Hzv69kcUCF.8hRR2U9_DC_l4H2fhGdcd61qbPVI jsKhPWRrer8NaAzDlfJRT_jdhFsnL0AnAehbIRzQrV4fTTgLddCQpSaPIl2M ZNigae24cwd5cftK_paGGaLbQzRa7E.MAG3a8uZLht5CEzLBUNkd_hkWuzPX vouJGw4mJuvZMfo_hHhG0xOYu.lMwcpi_rggE3tX9VlKlJcoLw47flxj9cwJ MHF.WjNrYAtBOfY6L0KmdMFVTuxkkEv4SDUuFDMVzNCEK Received: from [99.4.184.201] by web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:45:06 PST SGkgQWxsZW4sCgpIZXJlIGlzIHNvbWUgaW5mbyB0aGF0IGFwcGxpZXMgdG8gYWxsIFdlYmVyIGNhcmJzLiBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBhIGdvb2QgZnVlbCBjdXJ2ZSBhbmQgdGhlIHdlYXRoZXIgY2hhbmdlcyBvbiB5b3UsIHNpbXBseSBnbyB1cCBvciBkb3duIG9uIHRoZSBtYWluIGpldCBvbmx5LiBUaGUgYWlyIGNvcnJlY3RvciBqZXQgb25seSBlZmZlY3RzIHRoZSB2ZXJ5IHRvIGVuZCBvZiB0aGUgUlBNIHJhbmdlLiBUaGUgbWFpbiBqZXQgZWZmZWN0cyB0aGUgd2hvbGUgZnVlbCBjdXJ2ZS4KCkhvcGUgdGhpcyABMAEBAQE- References: <13C4AA12-6277-431C-A536-AA55012D57DC@wi.rr.com> <1417401629.8042.YahooMailNeo@web181306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <39E93EB7-CF5C-4395-94FA-5C3FA2FFFCED@wi.rr.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:45:06 -0800 From: Rick Parent To: Allen Washatko , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Head Studs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Allen, Here is some info that applies to all Weber carbs. If you have a good fuel curve and the weather changes on you, simply go up or down on the main jet only. The air corrector jet only effects the very to end of the RPM range. The main jet effects the whole fuel curve. Hope this helps, Rick On Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:07 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: Rick, I think you hit on it. I was going to bump up the primary jets on the Weber's and/or drop the air correction jets but never got the opportunity. The cold weather just accelerated the problem. The experience of others losing motors I assume due to similar issues would support this theory. Won't be able to verify this until next season but will let you know the results. Thanks much, Allen On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Rick Parent wrote: It's not stretched head studs. Your engine is most likely on the edge concerning your jetting. I believe your deduction on the Fall event having better air because of the cooler weather is correct. We had a crazy year concerning weather changes. I always jet a little fat and we had trouble at 2 events this year, we didn't lose any motors but quite a few others did. I have an air density gauge and a weather station, they both do the same thing and are mandatory for keeping our engines safe. > > > > >On Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:38 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > > > >FoT, > >Does anyone have experience with head studs stretching? My ARP head >studs were installed in 2002 and run in race events for seven years. I >didn't race from 2009 - 2014. During that time, I did a frame-off >restoration on the TR6. My first event out was the Hawk at Road >America this year. After the first few practice runs, I blew a head >gasket. We replaced it and went on to place in class. We did find that >we were running too much timing and dialed it back. > >The next outing was the VSCDA fall event at Road America. It was >extremely cold (high of 50). We quickly blew another head gasket! This >gasket was an upgrade to the stock head gasket I had been running for >years. We replaced it at the track and the same thing happened again. >The car is running 12.8:1 compression, triple Weber's and full race >cam. Studs always torqued using ARP assembly lubricant to ARP >recommended torque rating using their three step approach. Torque >wrench has been calibrated. The failed gasket has been deteriorating >at the bridge between cylinders. Location varies. We checked the >flatness of the head and it is perfectly flat. > >Because it was so much colder at the VSCDA fall event, were we >producing more power due to temperatures which caused the multiple >failures unlike the Hawk where we were able to finish with much warmer >temperatures? Could stretched studs be the cause of this somewhat >erratic behavior? > >Thoughts? > >Allen > >Allen & Jody Washatko >1971 TR6 - Number 6 >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent@att.net > > > > > Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 07:27:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704D12584BCA for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:27:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S20.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s20.hotmail.com [65.55.111.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2320B2580994 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:27:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W99 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S20.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 1 Dec 2014 06:31:03 -0800 From: marty To: FOT Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:31:03 -0500 References: FILETIME=[6F7EDE90:01D00D73] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net >From what I can tell on line it looks as though Cometic only offers copper head gaskets for the TR6. Darn. Marty > From: pvucinic@netspace.net.au > To: Fot@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:09:40 +1100 > Subject: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Wondering if anyone on the list has used/purchased a Cometic Multi Layer > Steel head gasket from Cometic? > > Or are there other suppliers for Steel head gaskets for the TR6? > > Thank you in advance > > > > > > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With > A Lage Fortune!" > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 14:15:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CC925809D6 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:15:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s10.hotmail.com [65.55.90.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07FB25808D7 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:15:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS153 ([65.55.90.9]) by SNT004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:19:15 -0800 From: Rich Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:19:56 -0500 To: MadMarx , 'Steve Yott' , "fot@autox.team.net" , Jim Gray FILETIME=[75ED5B10:01D00DAC] Subject: Re: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Guys, Tried using wedged shaped shims this time, let it set up for 24 hours and it is a little better but nowhere near 1/16" gap between the seal and crank flange. In fact it is less than 1 mm, measuring about .033" using a feeler gauge. Looking at how the seal sits in the housing, I can tell that it is fully seated. I just don't see how to make the gap any larger aside from tinkering with crank end float, which can only net a very small amount. I suppose, as long as this seal stays where it is, doesn't back out, things will work out. What do you think? Thanks! Rich ________________________________ From: MadMarx Sent: 11/30/2014 4:55 AM To: 'Steve Yott'; 'Rich'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Hi Rick, the gap between the seal and the flange is designed to have a minimum distance of 1mm (=0.4"). In most cases you have a little more distance. This 1mm is the safety to deal with crank movement when depressing the clutch. Please make sure that the flywheel bolts don't protrude through the flange. It is important to use a good sealer, like silicone. I had on my race a seal slipping out and was then scrambled by the crank flange. Since then I recommended to use silicone to hold the seal in place. Back pressure in the block can force it out after a while if no sealer is used. Maybe only an issue on race cars and not so much on road cars. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E332584B95 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:28:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out4.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out4.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319D225849D0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:27:33 -0700 (MST) d="scan'208,223";a="385623607" Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([125.209.167.124]) by icp-osb-irony-out4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Dec 2014 05:31:17 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'marty'" , "'FOT'" References: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:30:17 +1100 Thread-Index: AdANc4BhDhU37GzZT9KjLtRC88KdzAAOllcA Content-Language: en-au Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Marty, I've asked them if the will cut an MLS version. The already have the head gasket pattern. SO I don't see an issue? But you never know. Cheers.. -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:31 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket >From what I can tell on line it looks as though Cometic only offers copper head gaskets for the TR6. Darn. Marty > From: pvucinic@netspace.net.au > To: Fot@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:09:40 +1100 > Subject: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Wondering if anyone on the list has used/purchased a Cometic Multi > Layer Steel head gasket from Cometic? > > Or are there other suppliers for Steel head gaskets for the TR6? > > Thank you in advance > > > > > > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You > Started With > A Lage Fortune!" > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 14:49:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBF92584B2A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:49:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1476258452B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l15so26177267wiw.8 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:51:16 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=FEB8C+bIN3dE7iVrOb4N0yGnVIAxIurPzE7WL52iyLU=; b=wTu9SQUp6iUQ1DXV/M7lCkuG1AzHqabBBPuaLWpR3LyXM+wWzHzBnAz0k9kh2Ve16f ulsLkAen82kHu07GgXwS0YseznW2d1z3EmrXCKIQa9WA4GaVgZwpMx/qH3+1rIVsxD4a IQSuKaJRXthbKF875tK5PYTOeNl1B5tzTLsVXIohHnMSN6mrgGe64OebvqNc2sPoXkaL ZolKQGUsaP7jHleXBMDqdCpNBWapTbBb0pTzQyEho1Hn8tB8P5mkXgPDWe18/kN/muL7 ifeoHQkyLVq+z70YOkIayv8mlZE/i6KLqGVPbPElcy3OAkJROTcMEYWGNYHikYWU5nbH IF3w== m9mr86361125wiw.52.1417470675971; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-9-152.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.9.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p15sm11894279wjr.18.2014.12.01.13.51.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Rich'" , "'Steve Yott'" , , "'Jim Gray'" References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:51:10 +0100 Thread-Index: AdANrHanS/wnj34fSoSGzVgK9keKvAAA7vcg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rich, as long there is a gap all is fine. Seems that the cranks do have some variations of flange thickness. The only way to enlarge the gap is to put the seal flat on sanding paper and grind off the rubber to the steel arches. The side to grind is the side in the housing. But as long there is a gap that should not be needed. There are two limits to respect: 1. That the lip is not touching the scroll on the crank 2. The rear side of the seal doesnbt interfere with the cranks flange All within this range is okay. Cheers Chris Von: Rich [mailto:rikrock@live.com] Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 22:20 An: MadMarx; 'Steve Yott'; fot@autox.team.net; Jim Gray Betreff: RE: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Guys, Tried using wedged shaped shims this time, let it set up for 24 hours and it is a little better but nowhere near 1/16" gap between the seal and crank flange. In fact it is less than 1 mm, measuring about .033" using a feeler gauge. Looking at how the seal sits in the housing, I can tell that it is fully seated. I just don't see how to make the gap any larger aside from tinkering with crank end float, which can only net a very small amount. I suppose, as long as this seal stays where it is, doesn't back out, things will work out. What do you think? Thanks! Rich _____ From: MadMarx Sent: 11/30/2014 4:55 AM To: 'Steve Yott'; 'Rich'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Hi Rick, the gap between the seal and the flange is designed to have a minimum distance of 1mm (=0.4"). In most cases you have a little more distance. This 1mm is the safety to deal with crank movement when depressing the clutch. Please make sure that the flywheel bolts don't protrude through the flange. It is important to use a good sealer, like silicone. I had on my race a seal slipping out and was then scrambled by the crank flange. Since then I recommended to use silicone to hold the seal in place. Back pressure in the block can force it out after a while if no sealer is used. Maybe only an issue on race cars and not so much on road cars. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89002584BC9 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:30:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC1S46.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s46.hotmail.com [65.54.61.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009942584607 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:30:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS428 ([65.55.90.9]) by SNT004-OMC1S46.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:33:51 -0800 From: Rich Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:34:34 -0500 To: MadMarx , "fot@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[E1E562E0:01D00DB6] Subject: Re: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, Okay, thanks! Rich ________________________________ From: MadMarx Sent: 12/1/2014 4:51 PM To: 'Rich'; 'Steve Yott'; fot@autox.team.net; 'Jim Gray' Subject: AW: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Hi Rich, as long there is a gap all is fine. Seems that the cranks do have some variations of flange thickness. The only way to enlarge the gap is to put the seal flat on sanding paper and grind off the rubber to the steel arches. The side to grind is the side in the housing. But as long there is a gap that should not be needed. There are two limits to respect: 1. That the lip is not touching the scroll on the crank 2. The rear side of the seal doesnbt interfere with the cranks flange All within this range is okay. Cheers Chris Von: Rich [mailto:rikrock@live.com] Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 22:20 An: MadMarx; 'Steve Yott'; fot@autox.team.net; Jim Gray Betreff: RE: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Guys, Tried using wedged shaped shims this time, let it set up for 24 hours and it is a little better but nowhere near 1/16" gap between the seal and crank flange. In fact it is less than 1 mm, measuring about .033" using a feeler gauge. Looking at how the seal sits in the housing, I can tell that it is fully seated. I just don't see how to make the gap any larger aside from tinkering with crank end float, which can only net a very small amount. I suppose, as long as this seal stays where it is, doesn't back out, things will work out. What do you think? Thanks! Rich _____ From: MadMarx Sent: 11/30/2014 4:55 AM To: 'Steve Yott'; 'Rich'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Hi Rick, the gap between the seal and the flange is designed to have a minimum distance of 1mm (=0.4"). In most cases you have a little more distance. This 1mm is the safety to deal with crank movement when depressing the clutch. Please make sure that the flywheel bolts don't protrude through the flange. It is important to use a good sealer, like silicone. I had on my race a seal slipping out and was then scrambled by the crank flange. Since then I recommended to use silicone to hold the seal in place. Back pressure in the block can force it out after a while if no sealer is used. Maybe only an issue on race cars and not so much on road cars. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFC22584C1B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:35:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CB02584760 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [184.58.135.148] ([184.58.135.148:50612] helo=SLTC) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 11/D0-24298-B2DEC745; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:35:24 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Rich'" , "'MadMarx'" , , "'Jim Gray'" References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:35:12 -0600 Thread-Index: AdANrHYPYvENt7QFTt2KWIExlsYw0wACmh7w Content-Language: en-us a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:117 a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=2oeSqxxVzlsA:10 a=Zk3OmFfbAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=JnEHowJfRozc1GAz85gA:9 a=NJDpxuFMsE8t5j54:21 a=XJMgmwnU19xwSQ5o:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8diOCWtaAUoopX3MsyMA:9 a=6rpnWSz77EhKvnui:21 a=rKc7WTDcZCt3PY3h:21 a=c-ErAKqN4zqCedw_:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Subject: Re: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rich, Should work just fine! As Christian said any visible gap is good. As long as itbs glued in it wonbt moveb& Steve Yott From: Rich [mailto:rikrock@live.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:20 PM To: MadMarx; 'Steve Yott'; fot@autox.team.net; Jim Gray Subject: RE: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Guys, Tried using wedged shaped shims this time, let it set up for 24 hours and it is a little better but nowhere near 1/16" gap between the seal and crank flange. In fact it is less than 1 mm, measuring about .033" using a feeler gauge. Looking at how the seal sits in the housing, I can tell that it is fully seated. I just don't see how to make the gap any larger aside from tinkering with crank end float, which can only net a very small amount. I suppose, as long as this seal stays where it is, doesn't back out, things will work out. What do you think? Thanks! Rich _____ From: MadMarx Sent: 11/30/2014 4:55 AM To: 'Steve Yott'; 'Rich'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Fot] Viton Rear Seal ?s Hi Rick, the gap between the seal and the flange is designed to have a minimum distance of 1mm (=0.4"). In most cases you have a little more distance. This 1mm is the safety to deal with crank movement when depressing the clutch. Please make sure that the flywheel bolts don't protrude through the flange. It is important to use a good sealer, like silicone. I had on my race a seal slipping out and was then scrambled by the crank flange. Since then I recommended to use silicone to hold the seal in place. Back pressure in the block can force it out after a while if no sealer is used. Maybe only an issue on race cars and not so much on road cars. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F2E2584C79 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:46:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p01c12o144.mxlogic.net (p01c12o144.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9128225803FC for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:46:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO ATLPEXCAS03.xc.lan) by p01c12o144.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 9e82d745.0.63091.00-370.159495.p01c12o144.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::c824:a29e:45a5:b81c]) by ATLPEXCAS03.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:50:00 -0500 From: John Hasty To: FOT Thread-Topic: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Thread-Index: AdANc4BhDhU37GzZT9KjLtRC88KdzAAOllcAAAHDiOMAE1J0AP//sPCI Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:49:59 +0000 References: , Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=tgRDpXx1AAAA:8] a=nGJh] a=jeSVDoq5N-1tCru] Cc: John Baucom Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Cometic head gaskets.....anyone interested? Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: Date: December 1, 2014 at 9:32:58 PM EST Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket It requires a special die to make a MLS version which they will do but they want a 2500-3000 dollar minimum order the first time. There is more to it than just having the pattern, the MLS gasket has to have raised rings on all the sealing areas of the outer two layers which is where the stamping die comes in which has to be CNC machined. That is why they want the minimum order the first time to cover there cost for the die then after that they will cost the same as any other gasket. They don't charge for the die just require selling enough gaskets up front to cover the initial cost. I think it works out to about $100 a gasket. So if we order 28-30 it's covered. On Monday, December 1, 2014, John Hasty FYI Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Vucinic cript:;>>> Date: December 1, 2014 at 4:30:17 PM EST To: 'marty' 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Marty, I've asked them if the will cut an MLS version. The already have the head gasket pattern. SO I don't see an issue? But you never know. Cheers.. -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:31 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket >From what I can tell on line it looks as though Cometic only offers copper head gaskets for the TR6. Darn. Marty From: ript:;>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:09:40 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Wondering if anyone on the list has used/purchased a Cometic Multi Layer Steel head gasket from Cometic? Or are there other suppliers for Steel head gaskets for the TR6? Thank you in advance "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 19:55:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0312584CF7 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:55:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F30B2584ABA for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [184.58.139.230] ([184.58.139.230:62045] helo=Steve) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2F/80-13988-1FA2D745; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 02:58:58 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'FOT'" References: , Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:58:55 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIWva5fn9i9+z5v/SXQ5tQgJcvqWAFA4yYgAkeU/2YCHkeQxADU59pfAUSOGrWbsDqFwA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'John Baucom' Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Do we know what the thickness of these would be? This obviously has much to do with the static CR. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:50 PM To: FOT Cc: John Baucom Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Cometic head gaskets.....anyone interested? Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: Date: December 1, 2014 at 9:32:58 PM EST Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket It requires a special die to make a MLS version which they will do but they want a 2500-3000 dollar minimum order the first time. There is more to it than just having the pattern, the MLS gasket has to have raised rings on all the sealing areas of the outer two layers which is where the stamping die comes in which has to be CNC machined. That is why they want the minimum order the first time to cover there cost for the die then after that they will cost the same as any other gasket. They don't charge for the die just require selling enough gaskets up front to cover the initial cost. I think it works out to about $100 a gasket. So if we order 28-30 it's covered. On Monday, December 1, 2014, John Hasty FYI Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Vucinic s cript:;>>> Date: December 1, 2014 at 4:30:17 PM EST To: 'marty' >, 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Marty, I've asked them if the will cut an MLS version. The already have the head gasket pattern. SO I don't see an issue? But you never know. Cheers.. -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:31 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket >From what I can tell on line it looks as though Cometic only offers copper head gaskets for the TR6. Darn. Marty From: c ript:;>> To: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:09:40 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Wondering if anyone on the list has used/purchased a Cometic Multi Layer Steel head gasket from Cometic? Or are there other suppliers for Steel head gaskets for the TR6? Thank you in advance "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 20:07:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7952584D61 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:07:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A3C2584CCF for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [65.25.182.78] ([65.25.182.78:33754] helo=[192.168.100.99]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C0/C9-13988-B1D2D745; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:08:11 +0000 From: Allen Washatko To: Friends of Triumph Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:08:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FoT, I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. Thoughts? Thanks, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 20:16:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6352584DCC for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:16:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7A82584D39 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:16:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.226]) by resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id NTKM1p0034tLnxL01TL57p; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:20:05 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([67.184.14.165]) by resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id NTL41p0023ZgPhv01TL4mb; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:20:05 +0000 References: <005001d00ddb$e923f0b0$bb6bd210$@wi.rr.com> From: Brian Garcia Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:20:02 -0600 To: Steve Yott s=q20140121; t=1417490405; bh=vr3DefOzcNOLevAf+lzRr08ApsiMF3AwvxVghAYaEz4=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=HXLlv9A1a6TX3Xy09xt+u0S2wYBMe62vS0S4Oq0r7FFNBC7m1X7PnexQcnNpYSoNv DNN3MYg0o8Te42pLb7IuZNQzFhoXklX3QLcpOFp9uxdxJ+gzHSQ31GvqbSQtiNoFZo sV+/V7kqWCKX9he6FOEgH7jCj3TT3X6UXKD/K2F0aFqzveeq+g+MIW5AEeQipT08GE Oz7HMSOUVJYRyoo8bakQb9ljzwlS/V90btD++r/ReMQK72mnMUVWoRt+PxUD0rvk50 u+G7ZbHRR0KpSisiBhrALCf+AekFdJA4XGsnL/fWJ5NtgmOa18xX5RVXZlR/2WvrN0 RUdmQKljVnlDw== Cc: John Baucom , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That's the nice thing about MLS gaskets - they can make the thickness you want. > On Dec 1, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > > Do we know what the thickness of these would be? This obviously has much to > do with the static CR. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:50 PM > To: FOT > Cc: John Baucom > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Cometic head gaskets.....anyone interested? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: December 1, 2014 at 9:32:58 PM EST > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > It requires a special die to make a MLS version which they will do but they > want a 2500-3000 dollar minimum order the first time. There is more to it > than just having the pattern, the MLS gasket has to have raised rings on all > the sealing areas of the outer two layers which is where the stamping die > comes in which has to be CNC machined. That is why they want the minimum > order the first time to cover there cost for the die then after that they > will cost the same as any other gasket. They don't charge for the die just > require selling enough gaskets up front to cover the initial cost. I think > it works out to about $100 a gasket. So if we order 28-30 it's covered. > > On Monday, December 1, 2014, John Hasty > FYI > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Peter Vucinic > > s > cript:;>>> > Date: December 1, 2014 at 4:30:17 PM EST > To: 'marty' > >> , > 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Marty, > I've asked them if the will cut an MLS version. The already have the head > gasket pattern. SO I don't see an issue? But you never know. > > Cheers.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > marty > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:31 AM > To: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > From what I can tell on line it looks as though Cometic only offers copper > head gaskets for the TR6. Darn. > > > > Marty > > > From: > > c > ript:;>> > To: > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:09:40 +1100 > Subject: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Wondering if anyone on the list has used/purchased a Cometic Multi Layer > Steel head gasket from Cometic? > > Or are there other suppliers for Steel head gaskets for the TR6? > > Thank you in advance > > > > > > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With > A Lage Fortune!" > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4@wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 22:08:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FF52584F5F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:08:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E0A2584D64 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:03:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id u20so8455578oif.35 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:07:31 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hXUVhLRqCsVz/qKRe07vK3UykmkYJu0p6npGEZ02rF8=; b=RnQZFnzDvahBybt5IIDMiEWl6tfQMJbHpVc3Zg5KN9OODugVT2e7gx5hYqD5k/GhPh T/3oB3A3t1ft+/yx/cPzFYp20JxBLso5AW28XfDT0EDYsYZ9P8ZYkwe9Y5hQ0IKXNVlR SIL4bc+92kmFWZiXpPH2+KEnF1qhxaJyEjjDgDBEsEXhHQVy37J79NuDBlJslivjpJZC 4zoR98Om9QOFSiK2QXkvUdVh9gE+koRMxz5mjZasyQtw9NYGDaBkT5J8GSW6cZa7eUAA l8Ax38bpqGU11YMuCzisHdPU5xpc5seq7logrKy+PJzbSVW42LykfifxEJKsz692UJ3S QtTA== r10mr4535845oia.49.1417496851040; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Duncans-MacBook-Pro.local (client-69.170.103.254.tx.skybeam.com. [69.170.103.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v73sm9456631oie.19.2014.12.01.21.07.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:07:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:07:30 -0600 From: Duncan Charlton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Retorquing may be more a matter of the type of gasket than the type of head bolt you've used. Some newer gasket designs, I am told, do not need re-torquing. Duncan (Texas) On 12/1/14, 9:08 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > FoT, > > I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an > initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 1 23:58:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A523D2584BAA for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:58:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61F8258447E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:58:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l18so16085944wgh.30 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:02:19 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QziEN+Q/cumHGbSXpnAmRFGpaoSy1wnsCOFGw8qXrbA=; b=qLHG83UruQPOfeIA5KeFNn5nm/lASuua7wekxMrE/gPb/T0oONfBtBfpBuuIX4JXgg /OhXY2z+NLPA3l88EtAgj0lMdRZgY95l8w1IH89G1U5eaQvJWltorApO3uLfwpLV4WIR 9MyI+bZeIs1ujOke5x3+sUNwLwRnL1JZGjGZxRqJHpGUe1EilO06JyxaC813qwEW3OcK Mi28+WLVrQUbX7oLbX1GP3R0MPBny5XE52n3R9WucBhDAscyoCy6b8/0utWIJDGnBXaQ BqtpM2Jd12Tg+Y0X3ibunoZq7QGXyUHLSrtJ9hgfmFItZzbYhePrb6kLu4SvtWs4E/Uu Yccg== ee6mr101819285wjd.95.1417503738997; Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.50.20 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.50.20 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:02:18 -0800 (PST) References: <005001d00ddb$e923f0b0$bb6bd210$@wi.rr.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:02:18 +0100 From: Christian Marx To: Brian Garcia Cc: John Baucom , fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi. I'm running steel head gaskets and they have a reasonable price of about 80$ each. If there is interest I can send a bunch over and one of you distribute them. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 06:44:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B352584C3B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:44:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAD52580041 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:44:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.162] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 36332 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2014 13:48:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1417528113; bh=W0eL2dLZiHdFw+bRk62FiRAReH+kS7Tv4G2IO5OQH40=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=11LZyzzba1PAMxgQfQTgYdbXCdX3Dpjk6Hahrdh9oDzBoiAefJJtPFbS+IGTZAXMuNj5bnpBF16GLSSI8eSVqdDsRAFJhKQPYoJjW+MLayETAuZRpt5gWnJnQdOS28Fx8RhI0ELQW9VuovCWyYyHTP6tLizcNuV2efy2hvZLBNo= Fnh7j1FtJwTS2hGJfpdzbKph8DVzEfT1DnyMw5gs4Ry8x4OI5VZY.Rv0uy8Q 6KrOTWR7wsxZPpsgfF3r0r4BkujH1_PTw.506Qs.SlVyBYlnpCJAxnEZeDNF F5LGMi28PEX36Fim595kKQhBy6vxmxxKQnXzAZ.rXJZ.uuBIqZSlcLO7GU8u ZSi0ZJWVHHwqOb1q_.sKw69sV.9ITHTra3fntm_gvRz5pvwzG0Pbgcd3Ndz6 XVm4g653l4LRpxhc7yJB8gLojid2AnOGKiK6SHNZz.xTodhEUTtyX7hwAJLA qTqoAEClYe5XmTiKsOe.6Zpl6HiomQtscStIKfNMf9nbjbRyIWtix261P3Iv P7R5Nyo.AvCk7ImW07Baichiq83RbVd.QoKgP.n2jm6ac8aTNw2GNKH2Jgjc k4KNOHxZfxD18govOiLybLVDeie22_pbxgfGPsJ26Ep_KcK.d3vzf9RDvuV0 o0Wp.OmDgCQhZ_dVz.6om6RqmfjFtjoA3SWz3WXqArLB4XdlTBc1LO9AaQXB dVCXqvGW.FOyg3mUweWnijP2B1uX5FYaEfAm_QwbcVg-- Received: from [99.4.184.201] by web181301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:48:33 PST SWYgSXQgaXMgYSBzdG9jayBvciBzdG9jayB0eXBlIHJldG9ycXVlLCBpZiBpdCBpcyBhIENvbWV0aWMgRmliZXIgZ2Fza2V0IHJldG9ycXVlIGlzIG5vdCBuZWNlc3NhcnkuCgpSaWNrCgoKCk9uIE1vbmRheSwgRGVjZW1iZXIgMSwgMjAxNCAxMDoxMSBQTSwgQWxsZW4gV2FzaGF0a28gPGF3YXNoYXRrb0B3aS5yci5jb20.IHdyb3RlOgogCgoKRm9ULAoKSSB3YXMgYXNrZWQgaWYgSSByZS10b3JxdWUgdGhlIGN5bGluZGVyIGhlYWQgb24gbXkgVFI2IGFmdGVyIGFuICAKaW5pdGlhbCBicmVhay1pbiBwZXJpb2QBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:48:33 -0800 From: Rick Parent To: Allen Washatko , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If It is a stock or stock type retorque, if it is a Cometic Fiber gasket retorque is not necessary. Rick On Monday, December 1, 2014 10:11 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: FoT, I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. Thoughts? Thanks, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 07:24:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F692584EF1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:24:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s10.hotmail.com [65.55.111.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D422580041 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W44 ([65.55.111.137]) by BLU004-OMC4S10.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:24:39 -0800 From: marty To: Allen Washatko , FOT Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:24:38 -0500 References: FILETIME=[B4F30870:01D00E3B] Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Right, wrong or indifferent, I always re-torque mine. ARP studs, Payen gaskets. Always had good luck. Marty > From: awashatko@wi.rr.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:08:10 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Cylinder Head > > FoT, > > I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an > initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 07:25:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5D82584F15 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:25:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S6.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s6.hotmail.com [65.55.116.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCFF2580041 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W44 ([65.55.116.72]) by BLU004-OMC3S6.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:25:56 -0800 From: marty To: John Hasty , FOT Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:25:56 -0500 References: , , , , , , FILETIME=[E2DCE0D0:01D00E3B] Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net +1 Marty > From: jhasty@mhc-law.com > To: fot@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:49:59 +0000 > CC: baucom86@gmail.com > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Cometic head gaskets.....anyone interested? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: December 1, 2014 at 9:32:58 PM EST > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > It requires a special die to make a MLS version which they will do but they > want a 2500-3000 dollar minimum order the first time. There is more to it than > just having the pattern, the MLS gasket has to have raised rings on all the > sealing areas of the outer two layers which is where the stamping die comes in > which has to be CNC machined. That is why they want the minimum order the > first time to cover there cost for the die then after that they will cost the > same as any other gasket. They don't charge for the die just require selling > enough gaskets up front to cover the initial cost. I think it works out to > about $100 a gasket. So if we order 28-30 it's covered. > > On Monday, December 1, 2014, John Hasty > FYI > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Peter Vucinic > > cript:;>>> > Date: December 1, 2014 at 4:30:17 PM EST > To: 'marty' > , > 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Marty, > I've asked them if the will cut an MLS version. The already have the head > gasket pattern. SO I don't see an issue? But you never know. > > Cheers.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > marty > Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 1:31 AM > To: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > From what I can tell on line it looks as though Cometic only offers copper > head gaskets for the TR6. Darn. > > > > Marty > > > From: > > ript:;>> > To: > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:09:40 +1100 > Subject: [Fot] TR6 - Cometic MLS Head Gasket > > Wondering if anyone on the list has used/purchased a Cometic Multi > Layer Steel head gasket from Cometic? > > Or are there other suppliers for Steel head gaskets for the TR6? > > Thank you in advance > > > > > > > > "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You > Started > With > A Lage Fortune!" > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 09:13:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFE32584FC6 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:13:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE002584CB2 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:07:55 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1417536701; bh=nGAPcMnaUKGBYCzLK8VpOytlp1ww4BUGcACR/kTkGKQ=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject; b=TDLiwsdUMBMOilQRoieIchcmjApmTMX8/Wc/adBinmFxCh/OZ7d9TIiEZe9PmcWGyPWy8seY7mxIfPD90T88lJXhHXg9hYtRqq3X5gQssfH6M5p8iacdRsU8m4Q8DhtR9wIzaZZ21uVjEb1i+wrRvpzuh9DvFHOC/9ZaywvWgRQgOgItV6w08PuXKNoPoRCGEjCtJV3GUpxEs+aCI6HjkIxpcuDl4bNnx+Xh/uaA8O4OrTUNTCiuNVT0ESy8vzwk9Iiz2tgT36NevAP3VT+QDwXA+WL7Z2gU0fde8PMgVL+BeR/0KT5N0yv1KAK1uWYzPc5Aooe7arvXKlVn8IzNPA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=I5uAsgpExUcW0o/b6PqZZVQHQx8Q4Ipfz3lsQFFJzKtUBTvXG3+6z9yeSbfOKNKD4Mfc0PIliCPMjNwNs0WfTxusv0o6KDvmTXbG7G6kDHWsiOJ5ddWQHnYOPq4bJq+YKWz54O04sVdSsvPFp679rr+WLHoJ1DOVa3XoS4OdMHN2BSUq7J49txZZqxKB2cQSmw4B1k6tm5bEaEVhk3815ScHeN2srNffOtcMQPJbb1l5A0YYcCeZI0V7RXzf31mxMbRhxW9cdhUl4lL7sksTDOIod8WkVMsQ+o3ANuBJrcqrYX+NSdeMZ4U/vCHxKxXiuhdnyOspXJYxBfq1D3cBSA==; Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 16:11:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.203] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 16:11:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2014 16:11:41 -0000 MCwk9IcRoCC2VbVXIZjQpVmsk5TLDyOJmYKn1yXfiDaFLgUaBZ6cx3dhltJl xnBAoAac9ezvVd.1wNDjxtqseAZBBiyiHz4WT1vTJhB0DW2l63RUHlx0epI6 gfRSaLBh9tSNalyq8Dva94Yv2jWVh5jyEmgZbze32ppbdjOgaYMnf08KqOSe nu8IodTSCGHyVYodKGFAjcGG1M8WcpxtwE3sWEhamr5p5bHGZRxbvvpgeYNt W2MRpD.cndFnTJVYsUg.8uv2ANl7s9B8CWNnmet8M.WFOFpzMmKIC.uCEWEB YryEjZeJFRdn3cROuPVvxPgaG_Fv4Fe36kKrPk6NRXfFBATHfi070ejwXbDe 63PbydAreacM2exv83hxxFh6l0aQMT4sENehq35WfKMdZ1XqINLl3931DI_a FD64F.4Qo9HQyd7gHWpde9hy7V2fInW1EjgcU6wAiOjnqUjf4r3R74pJmTCD kkFQkeOHaqChzxlkcSNudke0WrNEwvNJujJO8kNBpanqrSvPlgJAODePX3dY Yvou_mjUCOOnVwIYX4dzi1edUMzsOA_1vWUS.0tdZYw-- References: From: Mike Munson Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:11:40 -0600 To: Allen Washatko Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I do, and will get a little movement out of 3 to 5 each time. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > > FoT, > > I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an > initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 10:41:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED19B25850B9 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:41:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFDC25800A5 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from b4.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.104]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sB2EvwY4026300; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:44:44 GMT References: <9B4FAD39-1BE8-47C9-9E9A-0B3E14059248@yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Mike Munson" , "Allen Washatko" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:44:48 +0000 Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Re-torquing would be needed if the gasket you are using has "creep". I.E. Might be "Spongy" due to gasses within the fibers. So, as motor heats up the internal pockets of gas will expand and might escape. This De-gassing effect will loose a small amount of its original volume. So, when cool the gasket would have shrunk somewhat. Hence, the axial clamping load has changed and original "torque" is effected. A solid gasket without these pockets would not suffer this way. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:11:40 To: Allen Washatko Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head I do, and will get a little movement out of 3 to 5 each time. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > > FoT, > > I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an > initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 11:16:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF83E25850DE for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:16:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A39B25800A5 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141202181955.CCOJ12328.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 13:19:55 -0500 Received: from Bedroom ([70.176.189.205]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id NiKv1p0014SLNRA01iKvBy; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:19:55 -0500 a=uetZiEMWpZhrLyW6kl3xSA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=sskR1B85AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=uDjBthixpr-2uugNpPUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=BYqPG6kxYZWENJFL:21 a=GtklFeQwq_oEYzho:21 a=uetZiEMWpZhrLyW6kl3xSA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , "'Mike Munson'" , "'Allen Washatko'" References: <9B4FAD39-1BE8-47C9-9E9A-0B3E14059248@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:19:58 -0700 Thread-Index: AdAOV7oL7vbnxL+1SCuVnhSZN+8PRAABHFWQ Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That is exactly my own thought. It all depends on the gasket. My first hint of this was when I opened a NOS head gasket for a Spitfire engine and a little slip of paper fell out. It stated that after initial installation and first running up to operating temperature, the head needs to be re-torqued while still hot. I have followed this ever since and have never had a head gasket failure. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of gasket.works@gte.net Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:45 AM To: Mike Munson; Allen Washatko Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Re-torquing would be needed if the gasket you are using has "creep". I.E. Might be "Spongy" due to gasses within the fibers. So, as motor heats up the internal pockets of gas will expand and might escape. This De-gassing effect will loose a small amount of its original volume. So, when cool the gasket would have shrunk somewhat. Hence, the axial clamping load has changed and original "torque" is effected. A solid gasket without these pockets would not suffer this way. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:11:40 To: Allen Washatko Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head I do, and will get a little movement out of 3 to 5 each time. Mike Munson #28 EP TR6 > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > > FoT, > > I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an > initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 12:32:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B192584CAC for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 12:32:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5473125800A5 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so17960099wgg.1 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:36:00 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=EXI5FuHLI2IMq4ptUSpnT5i8urQAgAeCxwjp4+WFI8E=; b=0MvubLRZdx3Chl0lPMReBxqHU6jegt1YUUnQ7L2hhTESruz7azgUcJZ2SKYJ1cB+AV g8yWmiMYuh1p/ZNbC0nmvobDkPNnjWt/IBtcEcQCPNRImrPVpVPxOv7HZbxXApimF31O eUpTAJwYkDlfOfI/8YX+4kgP+gesJD0C3WP3mLNYKzRQdtFlN4tYdYWRJz+yZQzthtJh wXF/J5nBOtFHMGPaiJFb2P/6Mdykx01RjMfAWA+Pech4bI5fasWnEjgSz8CpqOMtebpf vkjF3a9jij00SUrB5KTBEf5+245musQ+rOEUjCwmLlrzaCudZ2AkuSfH/oSf6NZRC9G9 J7Mg== lp2mt818149wjb.91.1417548959946; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.50.20 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:35:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.50.20 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:35:59 -0800 (PST) References: <9B4FAD39-1BE8-47C9-9E9A-0B3E14059248@yahoo.com> <2014217018-1417542284-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1150543763-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:35:59 +0100 From: Christian Marx Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I retorque the cast iron head hot and i normally can do a 1/4 turn. Cheers Chris Am 02.12.2014 18:45 schrieb : > Re-torquing would be needed if the gasket you are using has "creep". I.E. > Might be "Spongy" due to gasses within the fibers. So, as motor heats up > the internal pockets of gas will expand and might escape. This De-gassing > effect will loose a small amount of its original volume. So, when cool the > gasket would have shrunk somewhat. Hence, the axial clamping load has > changed and original "torque" is effected. > > A solid gasket without these pockets would not suffer this way. > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > Sender: "Fot" > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:11:40 > To: Allen Washatko > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head > > I do, and will get a little movement out of 3 to 5 each time. > > Mike Munson > #28 EP TR6 > > > > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > > > > FoT, > > > > I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an > > initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Allen > > > > Allen & Jody Washatko > > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works@gte.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 2 12:57:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4022584992 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 12:57:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m2.mx.aol.com (omr-m2.mx.aol.com [64.12.133.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E618C25804F8 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 12:57:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-aan01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aan01.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.79]) by omr-m2.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3B3EC3800009F; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-lga06f.mail.aol.com (core-lga06.mail.aol.com [10.76.11.6]) by mtaomg-aan01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AAF0238000086; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:00:53 -0500 (EST) References: To: awashatko@wi.rr.com, fot@autox.team.net From: fubog1 Received: from 74.233.154.127 by webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com (64.12.254.115) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 02 Dec 2014 15:00:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:00:52 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1417550454; bh=1MNu4d3/8MZ3XP7CIg2C6W1UMx0X/O5FbZVe3L4aZjs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GZWoBz6U0cb+q7TSfwC9hZCO4z2YwvWF/YZv/rq9iC8N4rl/k/+NLvLdGIFssJS39 N9LYxFEj6JZTcMdWYBXvNuZzLwyZd8PL9lOZVF2qwnj3al22R5JLKAxFc04tJzNZst TWb84trgL9LRDvlxKPrVRVL8xSYaTgBDcmctNi18= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b134f547e1a756c16 Subject: Re: [Fot] Cylinder Head Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW I always retorque. Even the steel shim gasket takes up after a couple heat cycles. Yes I know some gaskets advertise it not being required. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Allen Washatko To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 2:41 pm Subject: [Fot] Cylinder Head FoT, I was asked if I re-torque the cylinder head on my TR6 after an initial break-in period. Never have. ARP doesn't recommend it. Thoughts? Thanks, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 3 19:17:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C43D258460A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:17:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f42.google.com (mail-qg0-f42.google.com [209.85.192.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367A925807B0 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 19:10:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z107so12125189qgd.1 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:14:04 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; bh=ZyATxjisV953vtE1raFIwag9HC0iGgKA4nT5/dCe0KE=; b=bvtn8E0ZV83zMBGwqFkfboM0fwSRntbTVy9VuYsujkMgMlhXWnaLi99CYvpqUCINKz HhOBHM2ie5f/ktw0LP2G9vOtaHA8OiYfevL7/xw5ZrTnlQL6+7cDbOi2U7y29RnL4WuN BwNbwIyE77sAcrigIMa9aE9clpMurbI+s2AhX8o60nc0tkSCcdmSjLGpWEYMhyXlMklZ rjLZH97o+7RjVcp81LSlFyoXNCJZlNy/yU11flJRQ3ccuj/gLBgCD3IQcb3AwbcxMv2h IuffocIMrhni1dpZMDd/o0tZiG8CietDfTeJfi1MF1c10ETpSDEWPb4/DyCGC8GXlpvk 12Rg== bf6mr12823086qcb.12.1417659244280; Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (c-50-134-55-99.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [50.134.55.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k10sm8568089qan.3.2014.12.03.18.14.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 21:14:02 -0500 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Sean Alexander in Classic Motorsports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Too cool! There's a great shot of Sean cooking around a corner at Elkhart Lake for the ELVF race on September. Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 4 05:21:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008152584F6B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 05:21:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72626258044F for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 05:18:02 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1417695710; bh=FGmxCIYPIqFlI0yv/jaPoQAPgmORNbQQQAxHHBsk1R8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=NDT5a9ddK77yCw9vqw9fLXDsitj3fMlxD868y+yk/88F5nFvyCZZNa0G5A689mLYcTPvD69GnupjgYqSHikqy6kRpofkZB1APE8C5qsKRMPsN3FJVjOUTdh/oIBXyJqFmqg9esKLJhuV6qq4hQ04M5dOWG5FdPLXvq/jSurmkWnF7S/lSorHphF5GK/0+VA0Hqvx/ZB8btzq2g6N6hakWKqX7/Kas6ZdUqT09wN2QmN/Al4A9LUVLsFjIwC9YHjHoulNF+i6S8YbYk2HN9qFeWX7+7opMwDZMoL4FuGSxzhoqetchIwfJStA0A+usSCw0mhYJgSfZMBOSf8GK6yw9Q== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=rDacgt1qLVd84to09B+ysjHPPh2Kn8N/38Akaf5Lyun/Iy8Vbic2FJOXeqqJ3DUyhQ3y6l3TlghY3ZEH/6veRZDYU4bMq38O2WaAdK+rlDbbww8FNkkaqPX3dH4060/FgdIrILlJiW429lxzArTDLpZm93Qb4IPik/UiWTKP+BzSK9DjtI1ICPMwTBG43Ymib1WaRmOij0gD9gLdXR6fQ8+/1LywFtVEm+Edp5ffDjoVI+SMsowpZT6adnc/ZAfp8aFBoggifzW6qOHnedcfDghndb5Rinv5oMSSuTr3vx26IY55KKua+76xHFKr5Cmhi08nBcmY0C510+w4TghTSQ==; Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:21:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:21:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2014 12:21:50 -0000 zERMM8yNJ1NvPUkenktkfF3UjnXLXebo6l1H7aNMbE70wSRo0A8dLJdq1MLzqICq3t4Bl.eYUTW4 SSasjSWgceFLBf_i5Jm3kBHSpCxM0NNckqLc9BIfo.TOgAOrcCwt7nD.4x9wedba_Z6eb64vYIHQ EZIwJ41ukM98_XGUrhwFcrG0LlrzcII1FysUhY2rfbmQmRszuk9ynPBxd7ynqK0Pmf.vbZ3NOAOd WLyt8vQ_r2Jms5wPmPwjxQFTh8RM87JsJI0m64Y4XVc4KHxzqcf5FsQfhmI6aqiLEHB_Qu1CSK2U zfr9F_CAeE4mhHzhhR0yrVwoWxLDHZ_WYzef7Q9eEpom1tx8Xbu6Az2HioEshehTXqNsCBHPLL5q 1dB2Hvkv5Ade0VPy7FTOBUmYP.8oxe8.uY9EctAENXC01UU0oeLxZ9QM2hIaK17ebQy_fBz5VzJi n6cZ_IFyD_vBkHaOA74TVqAwDnObUOASb.bomogvZGUYXOaGwQ9zfTxNA.BZBb_pY Received: by 98.138.101.173; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 12:21:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:21:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken Suhre To: "J.C. Hassall" , FOT References: <5045B253-DE2B-41B5-9CB4-EA332C298E02@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sean Alexander in Classic Motorsports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I want to add,B the always improving,B Ryan Murphy is having funB right on his tail. I am sure both dads, Joe and Tim,B had a bunch to do with the performance of the TR 4s.Ken SuhreB On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 10:51 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: Too cool!B There's a great shot of Sean cooking around a corner at Elkhart Lake for the ELVF race on September. Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 4 11:07:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93F32585330 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:07:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B91FA25852E7 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30157 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2014 18:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2014 18:03:01 -0000 Received: from box609.bluehost.com ([70.40.220.109]) by cmgw3 with id PW2x1p0062ND4fa01W30t6; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:03:01 -0700 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:117 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=NG0IswC7AAAA:8 a=OClWVmo2AGkA:10 a=0gXf9ufkx6IA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=2oeSqxxVzlsA:10 a=PA61DH7DU9cuIQYwRDIA:9 a=DdpFMIMIxv4pzJ59:21 a=wrPRfZFD4ZdMrsDM:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Q1k16-_9ez1q7cxoh6IA:9 a=zKsrzFv_f5IQkXjO:21 a=jeSBROeR6yE8GqO9:21 a=_nTpzvIQPRVHMdHk:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 d=klaenv.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=HwQTe+I7wM4fjw7nN9dK/Rf6Ho4A071uVmesnRrYtic=; b=asKdk48Cf8nYmLrI2JL8/Z6BjxYiyQ8/vXm9vR17MhIt+bBdJW+0CS/fTcrfQVGSEaQz9F0Vq23m8Wtjy5P+LZe3gokwNHelHHrx9KEyVbgxuAiolHnWhfo3MnPsJFvL; Received: from [208.17.77.136] (port=53390 helo=4ZQFXQ1KENPC) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwajw-0003mj-PC for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:02:56 -0700 From: "Kenneth Knight" To: "FOT" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:02:55 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAP665zHJFbiwkTStqfA7qIaK//nw== Content-Language: en-us {sentby:smtp auth 208.17.77.136 authed with kknight@klaenv.com} Subject: [Fot] TR Aluminum Pedestal and Center Main Upgrade Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Racer Upgrades Available for TR 3 & 4 Motors. In time for the new racing season! In January of 2015 I will have available for shipping a production run of CNC, made in America, aluminum distributor pedestals for the 4 cylinder TR 3 & 4 motors. These pedestals will save you 2.5 pounds in weight over the cast iron stock pedestal. The cost will be $110.00 + flat rates shipping of $12.95 (US only). I also have a small production run of a center main cap upgrade specifically made for TR motors. These are made of 4140 Steel and are heat treated, they come with all the machining required for installation plus steel pins to locate them on you center main cap. The cost is $130.00 + shipping for cap, ARP studs and machining (you will need to send me you main cap(s)). If your order the strap and need studs for all three main caps that cost is $190.00 + shipping and I will clean up the faces on all you main caps where the studs seat and the clearance the aluminum bridge at the front of the block for new studs. I have four of these remaining ready to be installed. Note: You will have to align hone your mains after this installation. See the link below for pictures and send me an email if you are interested. I will send more details to folks wanting parts. Payment can be made by check or PayPal when the time comes. Also by the first of the year I hope to have my website up so stay tuned for "Three Dog Racing: Vintage Racing Parts and Services" Cheers to All Ken Knight http://www.klaenv.com/knight/triumph/Distributor-Pedestal/ PS: If you can, please rescue a pet for the holidays. The return on investment is priceless. Tin-Tin, Mr. Big and Gus are proof positive. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 4 11:56:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3168E2585393 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:56:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAC52580B32 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 11:55:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.205]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E403E700000AC; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 73AF83800009F; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:59:34 -0500 (EST) References: <5045B253-DE2B-41B5-9CB4-EA332C298E02@gmail.com> From: Joe Alexander Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:59:34 -0600 To: "J.C. Hassall" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1417719574; bh=jjQc18UqeMaGoPF8PQi1eGw990wqLZHmbCzrSueKQcM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=vn8XyGdkhsb4O48BRay8cJ7Xb46fl0KuNbpfGdPeIvqCzdRWSimMRe9UGdxYBRF7f DfhL7P70lqWVtaKH3EfA4s+thS8RexeTi54RrQxd8STBaMMlGR+iQi5QO9i+lkXEDQ 8wkQPi0GHkMW0euSyAGh81VQf7FDcocGJCWn4hIQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcd5480af1657eb Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Sean Alexander in Classic Motorsports Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That was a very good weekend. Ryan Murphy, Tony Drews, and Sean were nose to tail all weekend. And the wrenches stayed in the tool boxes for all three. 2:55.....2:55.....2:56, respectively, for fastest lap time for the weekend. The Triumph Worlds aligned very nicely. May it be this good at Summit Point for everyone. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, IA 50648 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Dec 3, 2014, at 8:14 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > > Too cool! There's a great shot of Sean cooking around a corner at Elkhart > Lake for the ELVF race on September. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 10:51:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598D92584543 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:51:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5AA25805E8 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id rd18so2474902iec.36 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:35:19 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WkRiyn6dWyr6U5G0BBg/rsyQ0cPXsgZiGzyb7aiY+Sk=; b=yLMhO1xg2vox66DJ/Zgvva+FDpm1lIQRIhb95xGdcGRMknKMZRvHSs/3r687jzL4cX 1KAwdSe/tvaPRHHL7Z4hzG5l13ZTsJ9I35NQJnEKPfHCb7k7tG6dSlf1Vvzu3dksLNxV 94REpQwlwrolT82ax7G4GitlRW24PYktByiRM8azmI0VqWHifhrsCadGstdc9uJBnuzv 0CIKhIaRt0PbUMGmLiakFRwParZjGDlwA9LlJIz9YT2XNKy/WdwhSACsTUesO2OrbceW JbKRdIyNuJStfNXCKWdjsvxH5w26JPN3cLe6EoJ0ueUisgQ7xrzRIULn3it347NNJIJ1 FTpQ== m16mr20319658icg.43.1417887319667; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.140.199 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:35:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:35:19 -0500 From: John Styduhar To: "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" Subject: [Fot] Transmission Conversion Bellhousing Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If anyone has an Eaglegate LLC bellhousing (or the complete transmission conversion kit) for a TR3 using the toyota 5-speed gearbox, please contact me off-line. Happy Holidays _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 12:40:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23C22580915 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:40:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 643D12580722 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12575 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2014 19:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2014 19:12:49 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id QKCk1p00h1NzpT901KCnjf; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:12:49 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=Mh6uKTX2VSTocAraV0kA:9 a=IY7IJSNgRMEtXXc8:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=62363 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKma-0002D1-Lw for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:12:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:12:38 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 13:51:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347612584450 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:51:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 72395258084B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:21:03 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10753 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2014 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2014 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id QLQo1p00n1NzpT901LQr86; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:24:52 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=u-L8H4d_ZDhKUEN9XnkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=64847 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XxLuK-0006Pb-O3 for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:24:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:24:42 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <20141206194020.7D9252580B0E@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Arrgh. Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts). Anyone on this list know the answer? See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft pftaft@earthlink.net At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 14:23:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE22584588 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:23:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504EB258084B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9AB2C04E8 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:00:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:00:54 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <20141206194020.7D9252580B0E@autox.team.net> <20141206205127.26F3A2584492@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net T > > A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. 3 feet and 5 inches - that's a BIG caliper. As I recall, the GT6/TR6 use the 3.5 inch spacing. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 14:23:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D28258460F for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:23:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o148.mxlogic.net (p02c12o148.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBD5258084B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [173.221.146.51] (EHLO mail.dieselperformanceparts.com) by p02c12o148.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id 21f63845.2b793f017940.50554.00-552.116472.p02c12o148.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:03:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [173.221.146.51] (EHLO mail.dieselperformanceparts.com) by p02c12o148.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 70f63845.0.50523.00-383.116396.p02c12o148.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:03:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b]) by DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b%10]) with mapi; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:03:02 -0600 From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: 'Tony Drews' Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:03:01 -0600 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Front Caliper question Thread-Index: AdARlvJpxZZf5a6gTGafGKyo+OqfmgAAJQLw References: <20141206194020.7D9252580B0E@autox.team.net> <20141206205129.63590258449F@autox.team.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US a=EpCmqmUwonNx2x65zUBjwg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8] a=tS01JOjxJyIi-MpQjPgA:] a=CjuIK1q_8u] a=m3MdUl94G8cA:1] Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The GT6 caliper mount will not fit a Spitfire vertical link if my memory serves me correctly anyway. When you change from Spit brakes to GT6 brakes you have to have the whole wheel end to do it. Caliper, rotor, and stub axle and vertical link etc. I don't know what the bolt spacing is though. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Arrgh. Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts). Anyone on this list know the answer? See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft pftaft@earthlink.net At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 14:24:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C0E25846A5 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:24:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s5.hotmail.com [65.55.90.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6575258084B for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:03:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS159 ([65.55.90.73]) by SNT004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:07:35 -0800 References: <20141206194020.7D9252580B0E@autox.team.net> <20141206205155.440112580B9A@autox.team.net> From: Tony and Annie Garmey Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:07:24 -0800 To: Tony Drews FILETIME=[A8541BD0:01D01198] Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. ! Measuring off a lotus 23 using the Hearld / GT 6 vertical link , the caliper mounts are 3.5 . Dave bean eng . Has machined alloy mounts . Might want to check the off set . I'm unsure of what the hub is from on the lotus & the caliper is a girling AR, Tony Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:55 PM, "Tony Drews" wrote: > > Arrgh. Copy / pasted through notepad this time. > > I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts). Anyone on this list know the answer? See below. > > Thanks, Tony Drews > > > Dear Sir, > > I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. > > A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. > > My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. > > Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. > > If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. > > Please forward price and availability. > > Thanks for your help > > > Peter Taft > pftaft@earthlink.net > > > At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 15:23:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E529C25846A6 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:23:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED46D2580A18 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141206220610.YIRE25955.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:06:10 -0500 Received: from Bedroom ([70.176.189.205]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id QN691p00N4SLNRA01N6A9v; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:06:10 -0500 a=uetZiEMWpZhrLyW6kl3xSA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=MxbDwcoJAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=mdyaRAC3xzDz4MFXSkAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ume8oppRF2UA:10 a=qX_BA2Utg88A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=V0RZh1QKhY4A:10 a=rQoV2sSLilX0h5Ny:21 a=KLwXVkCLiTIyoVUR:21 a=uetZiEMWpZhrLyW6kl3xSA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , "'Tony Drews'" References: <20141206194020.7D9252580B0E@autox.team.net> <20141206205129.63590258449F@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:06:34 -0700 Thread-Index: AdARlvJpxZZf5a6gTGafGKyo+OqfmgAAJQLwAAI6nmA= Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you use early Spitfire vertical links with the separate caliper mount, the GT6 caliper brackets will bolt right on. I learned this when Joe Siam needed some early Spit caliper brackets and I gave him a pair off my car once I discovered I could use the GT6 brackets. The only thing I had to do was shave a little metal off the back of the hubs and shim the GT6 calipers to fit properly without any interference. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: 'Tony Drews' Cc: 'fot@autox.team.net' Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question The GT6 caliper mount will not fit a Spitfire vertical link if my memory serves me correctly anyway. When you change from Spit brakes to GT6 brakes you have to have the whole wheel end to do it. Caliper, rotor, and stub axle and vertical link etc. I don't know what the bolt spacing is though. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Arrgh. Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts). Anyone on this list know the answer? See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft pftaft@earthlink.net At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 6 15:52:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890A62584924 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:52:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189225809D6 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:24:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [67.255.13.17] ([67.255.13.17:51189] helo=Russlaptop) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 44/A6-27907-80383845; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:28:24 +0000 From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" , "'Tony Drews'" References: <20141206194020.7D9252580B0E@autox.team.net> <20141206205129.63590258449F@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:28:21 -0500 Thread-Index: AdARlvJpxZZf5a6gTGafGKyo+OqfmgAAJQLwAALmQ6A= Content-Language: en-us Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mark is spot on with his response, realize bearings will also be larger which is a positive for racing applications. New vertical links are available (Rimmers) and be careful with used ones especially if you don't crack test them. There's a weak area where the threads end. Spitfire guys do this upgrade regularly-improves safety margin and provides better braking. Realize you then are using pads that are the same for a TR4 and also a Datsun 240Z (open up the pin holes slightly). There's lots of great compounds for racing in that configuration. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Diesel Performance Parts - Info Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:03 PM To: 'Tony Drews' Cc: 'fot@autox.team.net' Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question The GT6 caliper mount will not fit a Spitfire vertical link if my memory serves me correctly anyway. When you change from Spit brakes to GT6 brakes you have to have the whole wheel end to do it. Caliper, rotor, and stub axle and vertical link etc. I don't know what the bolt spacing is though. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Arrgh. Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts). Anyone on this list know the answer? See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft pftaft@earthlink.net At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 7 06:39:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8CB25848E5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 06:39:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2694F258042C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 06:22:10 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1417958759; bh=9/qezDwA4fk9s20Brtun/7SF/F3CZ58JB9NW/HIXJmA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=mc3/LUDGoGG5XBjdRnUN50rtYs+KM6JK2zgWShbGMGbeTnu9wWkImoyy3pD66EMuSXA7Xb6OK0texPLPH550oR+xAv/l5Td/VKJc6CI21e09LGcDTOhA9+i+xTS/iKU59mdqXYXEtudH5mO54xxS5SkPYVK7GP07x3NH/9TdOqTcAEzqrplH9+8dKQyo35uoOnlx7K3FfdpBnm635BGsjS3FofEXIOk8NMpCukHPLWuf0ocQtXLaX2t5VOBYQt9o7dmR7Aq+tIX/i9p3PoN8q/69eGwzqAE+l+FtTrf/f5aoybSeejqXXPT3S9X8GSAIDRBetfZnFqCQwzu44x3shA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=sn9XSCar6S9S25/N3cEGbN6mP1oyBGtD+wmaMnaedV5V+vOpIKyAzddjrD4tkFmFFK5hTixXqXMNpaRv2TNgSOVPVxGzlFvefk5hAtcnh3KUrwy8wRLsP3h8eHcbtAo67GLlS/pxcorIilj1SwtEhTGA6b/uYGcOU2mj1MtZmuEdmc1t3KEWK9wdnI7oRjWeHqhKW+i0XorYfTvwQgepzXEr0ISuangHcEoWS/ukp9hw1vZP2lOkK4iiy7UeR+PgGQAz5ZgMNqEpAaQ36GaPXCgaW0e2Nwi713Yo2EI8c0OeM3G3AL1TAaHEHonVkjdS/M/tDYMHRcLCyfqoYoZLvA==; Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2014 13:25:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2014 13:25:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2014 13:25:59 -0000 ehYGrmlNWAZd7PGQ3ZowpioT96rY6_kghMOf2vQMtGJG.Au_jTzYzHdk3MDSaw5daAxX7aSzaxRV HN11hiwqXP.HNT_N0ny0iEhuLTI.GIh0Nz.dimjoOJZ0RAE11CT3F0YP_O70_JvxpMzD_EC_EM45 UhEZkdpad4mmWh7zwsuLt9B8Zq_xJOhhpeCa2JQFeOgmODT.3g2MhSXCnNsmW_Wm.rnbXjh1dVfj 39NBvkvxbqMkDRqxEyGTdYv30gRnfYsvfr_DFBxg42gAdalzgiLjLsqCAb0yetw9Bn6FcBVbUvh6 XCun66ivB8Tl6HnoJ9DZZW804qEOW_wP66uW1tEZgR9i2d8_bHpMHZeKaKcwqCXPbafXmvvK.tVZ GyRp9mcBXAwihK2sS3FWVRVUBoUvA_XtZrKYh7KNoMUWXnAntZs1jMuCOWmh9dz87huwkLUvqpn7 HpIq5n2McSBzQ0iRjQRr7IAo5BkMfcCHNoeWYJSW.DNBcAGgTZDpShmbvamZNQw.ctsitYPWOElO Ed5mnoD118WZDGN1lmSbOowowNS9kz0Yw9AVB60_61HYCOvjdyZxqxAcdG6eLic2BQS99CBFuGWG m.XLREw-- Received: by 98.138.101.164; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:25:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:25:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Brian Dennis To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info , FOT List Triumph References: Cc: "Jr. Robert Rickner" Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Rickner (RRF Classic Car) carries new forged vertical links for GT6 and Spitfire. His personal hobby is Lotus stuff so he is also knowledgeable with the Lotus. He has both solid trunion pin and drilled pin vertical links. He has a nice trunionless set up I've been running on my car for several years now. He carries aluminum hubs and caliper brackets. His email:B Jr. Robert Rickner Nice guy. Good to deal with.BrianFoster, RI From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: 'Tony Drews' Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question The GT6 caliper mount will not fit a Spitfire vertical link if my memory serves me correctly anyway. When you change from Spit brakes to GT6 brakes you have to have the whole wheel end to do it. Caliper, rotor, and stub axle and vertical link etc. I don't know what the bolt spacing is though. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Arrgh.B Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts).B Anyone on this list know the answer?B See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft pftaft@earthlink.net At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 7 10:09:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497332584B17 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:09:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B292584AA5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:45:16 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1417970946; bh=krKxfA/7g86/C5mbM8iffBd0d+PjCATdG04yl1BNmTE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=NSrEaJ7bxC5NrxO4W/dW8rlySTYf9imeDckGgOXwFAsLgERrPvsfqaRslMVBrk6oi9camOTZmvfXJNqzYIgYLUCzSLr/yf6OxhJaNMgrXe+9+HQ5KqdEhD//Vkg6ki1xcIptlPXQuMVhzJpKSK7MKcsLcRtvsVMtC1KROJNYL6Jpna76R9VLerBkVFY73BlciJlMenPwK0uX3bFMEb/R1/p2UmtExeqb+d8O1BC565zrianfotHIjYxdKFkqUnm3tU366wztDWx8yJM1B8qIvKFrwPrb/eHZo4o9JRqR0Bi0AquIyCaO3az/a+XcTHdJOfw0ZxiMuzKtFzHfJ8lk+Q== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=ONoGmR9/IoBMtBvB/qpNC5A+7p5TsDN3Og6PeYs6d4EsWU5oAAeF5UKvhjQtP/+30000cMj2QlxxkZZv/c6T0tUCejA9eofKmdZCergG6q5I1CY/A8g2ENidCqdDx/lsjqppgN7a1JVQjZVEq8JTIfPaIuVmXbrJES7uaeor60Zgqv0W0bpqU+qCK+yLoUYyqXeB25An7ExIftyMHDiNrUoSn0kLQdjD/zxAy0UrPdApyjF/BeukJyqh2QgjenOPZ/RFggiFgFp8Em3N3mMjUajvGOlKl18K7kyhV4pi5V7aAwOAtVygM0TSSPGGd6PiEA0ijbPMpcLcBk0oXf6H4Q==; Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2014 16:49:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2014 16:49:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2014 16:49:06 -0000 T8LIFg.gQYSrXWYfjeUiowc991qmZRpA8BKYirkFw499CHcuekcbXWDl9BBmdWNcQPY8ZkT4xHTS hDpuCwSZg0V9We27_gERiG6VM0OO29EGEfCwEPoDtci31HhrLcGEimIoGczkP_P6rB9KxmjcnE1t 0QKh2k3rxK3IhS3VzJXf6MhnTA87bTt6AGdFzqp9qLCxp6V4BMddkanMngC0nxOPydVxKcYObmhd qS89c4TVTtV.m9.o4IXb0M4NEyytqBG.YaOAg9xQQ3Y9j6BPoKTdPZqQeG5r2Y1ABnnaZIOofTNF 590wf0jH1..bOnMIDYEbPFrzDv32SAmafc10v54btj_TFuMhC.g4dpq9efL24SnmsYh2CyxhJJ0B tobHp4RQ5mDJrPDpitztSLJPMPc0IKdNLlQXvWasM50I1l0b5vZpXCNqcPaARALuNBu3ZCz.xoIE _CfErjFth7IJmt3VTJzzq4hYe_lFISws1pccem2lzB.vi_YOZh6AFfyQBzK.prJG1odm.CR.Rd6B rT74KIdpxvzbvYuOEYis8cQh9RfbEI_.iYM4DzaPMKgfIj8Um3euyH3W5vQ4.vBlicWLo1kdTPkZ LRrwUXQ-- Received: by 98.138.105.205; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:49:06 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:49:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Brian Dennis To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info , 'Tony Drews' References: Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Rickner (RRF Classic Car) carries new forged vertical links for GT6 and Spitfire. His personal hobby is Lotus stuff so he is also knowledgeable with the Lotus. He has both solid trunion pin and drilled pin vertical links. He has a nice trunionless set up I've been running on my car for several years now. He carries aluminum hubs and caliper brackets. His email:B Jr. Robert Rickner Nice guy. Good to deal with.BrianFoster, RI From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: 'Tony Drews' Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question The GT6 caliper mount will not fit a Spitfire vertical link if my memory serves me correctly anyway. When you change from Spit brakes to GT6 brakes you have to have the whole wheel end to do it. Caliper, rotor, and stub axle and vertical link etc. I don't know what the bolt spacing is though. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:25 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Arrgh.B Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts).B Anyone on this list know the answer?B See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft pftaft@earthlink.net At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 7 15:59:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B4C2580B19 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:59:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7402580470 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:43:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from b4.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.104]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sB7Mlh1K027421; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 22:47:43 GMT References: <957AEB7A8C5442288D8F23BD2866B01D@D780CBC1> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Frank Southers" , "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 22:47:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4-A Race Car Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I am forwarding Franks info.. NFI Mordy Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Frank Southers" Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:25:05 To: Subject: TR4-A Race Car Hello, my name is Frank W. Southers. I live in Spring Branch, Texas (just outside of San Antonio, Texas). I was a member of the SCCA for nearly 25 years. I last raced in 1992 driving an E Production '66 Triumph TR-4A IRS. After several reasonably successful seasons, I chose to disassemble the car and change some items on the car. As you well know, these projects take time. I completed most everything with the exception to the bodywork. I took the car to a Houston race prep/bodywork shop where they were willing to take on the project of adding a box type flare to the wheel wells. I got the car back about a year and a half later somewhat butchered. While getting other items ready for the car's return, I ultimately found myself out of the race hobby and with a lady who is now my wife. I always said, even before her, I would stay with the race hobby until I was 50 years of age. It's been awhile and I have not done much with the car since it came back from Houston over 16 years ago. I am now 56, and it seems harder than ever to find/make the time to begin to work on the car. I am looking for a good home for the car and its spares. I hope to find someone within the FOT organization who may be interested. I am not particular about CVRA, FOT,HSR, SCCA, or SVRA. In fact, any vintage organization will do. The engine has not run since 2004. The Tilton clutch never received its slave cylinder, The Driveshaft is disconnected. The brake system needs some work as it has been laid up dry now for many years. And, of course, the body is in bad shape after the butcher had a shot at it. The car and its spares should go as a package. Its spares can always be removed somewhere else later. At this point, I would prefer someone come haul it and its spares away. The following items are currently installed on a rolling chassis: Engine: .040 cylinder liner kit, Carrillo Rods, Tilton flywheel, Venolia pop-up pistons, Crane high lift cam, remote oil filter and cooler, Griffin aluminum radiator (in the stock radiator's location), aluminum radiator shroud, remote expansion tank, K & N filters, SU carbs Gearbox: basic stock gearbox, standard ratios, counterweight mounted to tailpiece Differential: presently has a 3.7:1 locked Suspension: solid bushings front & rear, Koni shocks in front, Armstrongs in rear, Speedway Engineering anti-roll bars front & rear Brakes: standard size Triumph brakes all around, Tilton dual master cylinder set-up with a bias-bar, steel braided brake hoses Clutch: Tilton clutch master cylinder and clutch assembly Misc.: Fiberglass hood. Original hood. (not damaged at all), full roll cage with bracing front and rear, Kirkey racing seat, Simpson 6 point harness, fuel cell Tires/ Wheels: Jongbloed 15 x 7, 3 piece aluminum wheels - Goodyear 15 x 24 r-8, Revolution 15 x 7 cast aluminum wheels, 15 x 7 pressed steel wheels used for rains w/ Falken VR street tires. Spares: I have a spreadsheet which lists the spares I have In closing, I appreciate the time it took you to read this email and hope you know of someone who may be interested. Feel free to forward it to them. I chose to contact the webmaster (you) since there was no other contact information on the website. Should anyone be interested, I am willing to take/send photos of any part/section of the car that is requested. You may respond to my email or call me at 830-980-6194. fsouthers@gvtc.com Cordially, Frank W. Southers _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 7 19:31:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63A7258486E for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 19:31:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C2C2580912 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2014 19:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([198.72.195.129]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NG8006MFR8FFG20@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 20:07:28 -0600 (CST) a=OsAdcxGTSaxca7jI5z1j7A==:117 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sskR1B85AAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=ZxCJoyTxAAAA:8 a=p7DW24KVoDmIRC_UlE8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZR0JkmqgWkkA:10 a=U-GvOdcROCcA:10 a=csWB2qe7a14A:10 a=MNcUrT0mlGEA:10 a=vJY0JfmLxu8A:10 a=lGLOAlpiAggA:10 a=ABbQ5-I0nIUA:10 From: Mordy Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 18:07:27 -0800 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Kastner g3 camshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Looking for a g3 cam. If you know of someone that would like to sell... Thanks Mordy Gasket Works USA, llc Www.headgasket.com 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx Triple R Munitions Inc 626.201.9471 FFL 06, 07 SOT 2 Gmt -8 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 06:33:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12922584BDC for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 06:33:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o144.mxlogic.net (p02c12o144.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F35D258443B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 06:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [173.221.146.51] (EHLO mail.dieselperformanceparts.com) by p02c12o144.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id 5f3a5845.2b665424c940.9738.00-551.24579.p02c12o144.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 08 Dec 2014 06:13:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [173.221.146.51] (EHLO mail.dieselperformanceparts.com) by p02c12o144.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id ee3a5845.0.9702.00-356.24469.p02c12o144.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 08 Dec 2014 06:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b]) by DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b%10]) with mapi; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 07:13:17 -0600 From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: 'Brian Dennis' Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 07:13:16 -0600 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Front Caliper question Thread-Index: AdAS6Heuf7rzKGUcTrun/iNOstCrmAAACCjw References: <1085106449.634062.1417958759051.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10071.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US a=EpCmqmUwonNx2x65zUBjwg==] a=xqW] a=A92cGCtB0] a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 ] a=PnCV2] a=Hua1fZk8seE0pXAB] a=qX_BA2Utg88A:10 ] a=yM] a=c] a=BFOLz6iBjP819kG] a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10] Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Would this be the same parts that are sold by the English Company that specializes in Triumphbs?? I canbt remember their name right now, maybe Rimmer Bros?? Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From: Brian Dennis [mailto:britracer89@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:26 AM To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info; FOT List Triumph Cc: Jr. Robert Rickner Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Nice guy. Good to deal with. Brian Foster, RI ________________________________ Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question The GT6 caliper mount will not fit a Spitfire vertical link if my memory serves me correctly anyway. When you change from Spit brakes to GT6 brakes you have to have the whole wheel end to do it. Caliper, rotor, and stub axle and vertical link etc. I don't know what the bolt spacing is though. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Front Caliper question Arrgh. Copy / pasted through notepad this time. I received this question and have no clue what the answer is (and of course don't have any GT6 front caliper mounts). Anyone on this list know the answer? See below. Thanks, Tony Drews Dear Sir, I have a Lotus Europa that I race in Vintage and am upgrading the front brakes. A fellow competitor has an Europa with Wilwood calipers and GT6 discs. The Wilwood caliper has a 3'5" spacing between the mounting holes. These calipers fit directly onto the competitors caliper mount. He believes that his caliper mounts are from a GT6 with a 3'5" spacing between the bolts. My car has Spitfire caliper mounts with a 3.25" spacing between the bolts. Do you know if the GT6 caliper mounts have the 3.5" spacing and will they fit onto the Spitfire vertical link. If the GT6 mounts will work, do you have a pair available. Please forward price and availability. Thanks for your help Peter Taft At 01:12 PM 12/6/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 11:23:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B282584E32 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:23:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o145.mxlogic.net (p02c12o145.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12742584615 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 10:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] by p02c12o145.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with SMTP id 2d6e5845.0.42451.00-385.120648.p02c12o145.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::c824:a29e:45a5:b81c]) by ATLPEXCAS01.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:58:09 -0500 From: John Hasty To: FOT Thread-Index: AdATEIZgxtbNFX4OQCi02XlOhDDL5g== Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:58:08 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Content-ID: <2BCC2D86884BE347B7DBB628061BCDFA@xc.lan> a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=CjuIK1] a=UYKSvNwwI_] Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net George Wright, please contact me.....thanks Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 15:09:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3E52584E7B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:09:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D0725806EE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.242]) by resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id R9hp1p00A5E3ZMc019hr2t; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:41:51 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-208v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.176.218]) by resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id R9hr1p00D4j68Km019hrYr; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:41:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:41:51 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: fot (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Tony D get his pic in Engine Builder magazine Thread-Index: Kd/miByD9xF+zntRpNOpMh7ljVZZHA== s=q20140121; t=1418074911; bh=exArYJL8zifJoId1ZUj2sS01izQEIQMG5/XUkqWg0LQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=iubDEe5lTgQt061h0Zy5OfyOxEc1f6bvq3CL/GJsLYYcioA/Po4qgKkzK2rZv7PKn k8HcvzROUyAcJncCu7qogcRH/RhrmbzNeLnajPD483CbILn1EGpIOS0zBjFstk42J/ zr6UUndxzp2Q2uXZb5/jrqiiv4F1wLk7CK7cXURStoGCR+F8+yDKF6KzpQt02BRLbl IYv4AYwecHWZuWAnZtNWKN05xbVQcx1ydz5eDalqDSXqOljsKBi9qMBRi+vlOF4kHF yq6DzFYSBjQ+RAVqNoR1IEVv5chOWc1//HBfSeOTWehnk3eIna9MMop58Xs6OqBAId hJ0LpJ0p2TQig== Subject: [Fot] Tony D get his pic in Engine Builder magazine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They mistook you for a TR6 though. Great magazine by the way. http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/09/british-invasion-kings-horsepower/ B jim B B _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 15:52:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADE32584EBB for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:52:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BBE2580957 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:29:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mcb02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mcb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.50.174]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 33335703F9F2E; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (adsl-69-210-143-39.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net [69.210.143.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mcb02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id D4DAD38000094; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) References: <1246093103.11784482.1418074911285.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From: Bill Dentinger Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:33:05 -0600 To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1418077986; bh=rHG/KaMHkfLsqq6H9tZLQzkkq6xM2HbZ7JsSduIgUIE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=R6fzoL0mmFwyAIvVDkZ617MjPuRE/aISQSC/AXBbrFmv9XsdHVhHwIvRDMnWVvpQQ iJ8PCKECl6MkHu00UwXV76azhejrw98MwNQVHenzE9Y3TsDLlqRLgugTxUPLFFIhVE 9aiC5Ip5T4201/3OoiPEZ/cjz4OllV0QMDtTGQTI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32ae548627215639 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Tony D get his pic in Engine Builder magazine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net As fast as Tony goes, I'm surprised they did not say TR8. Bill Dentinger Sent from my iPad > On Dec 8, 2014, at 3:41 PM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > > They mistook you for a TR6 though. Great magazine by the way. > http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/09/british-invasion-kings-horsepower/ > B > jim > B > B > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 16:52:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81FD2584FBB for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:52:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EA52580818 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:25:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-aam01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aam01.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.147]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E202670387385; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-ada06a.mail.aol.com (core-ada06.mail.aol.com [172.27.0.6]) by mtaomg-aam01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BC32E38000082; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:28:57 -0500 (EST) References: <1246093103.11784482.1418074911285.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, fot@autox.team.net Received: from 71.30.35.11 by webmail-vm006.sysops.aol.com (64.12.178.69) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:28:55 -0500 From: Bruce Lapierre Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:28:56 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1418081337; bh=jyiYOG8RO9gKwXF/lE91O6mz3nMkYbAwdcR2r1hm5BU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vtaU3wgoACz556lQH7wBCcScBjKcgMMdkGyDmlE4XlJYjwa3+XBgPTuE4i+mHgYYN OG6zWz98cxfqeVIjg85xLSmdtV6GGhroBlVheVOsCY3eC1lVRFMWwTPDiQkishO3SD 6vCw+V8KV27UntvmjQVoIDe6+4mGb4Iyfj65Ap+o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b1393548634392e1f Subject: Re: [Fot] Tony D get his pic in Engine Builder magazine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Great article. A little light on some facts but neat to read. -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 5:21 pm Subject: [Fot] Tony D get his pic in Engine Builder magazine They mistook you for a TR6 though. Great magazine by the way. http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/09/british-invasion-kings-horsepower/ B jim B B _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 8 20:38:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5CF2584615 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:38:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CC8B3258043B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18866 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2014 03:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2014 03:22:40 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id RFNb1p00t1NzpT901FNeEY; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:22:40 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=MTAFOYQwAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=exYdIfJF3K-CGWk-wocA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=58964 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XyBNj-0006e3-Fj; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:22:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:22:28 -0600 To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net,fot From: Tony Drews References: <661242206.11780459.1418074629028.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <1246093103.11784482.1418074911285.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Tony D get his pic in Engine Builder magazine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That's awesome! Thanks for sharing! Tony Drews At 03:41 PM 12/8/2014, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >They mistook you for a TR6 though. Great magazine by the way. >http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/09/british-invasion-kings-horsepower/ >B >jim >B >B >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 9 10:12:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A762584D4F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m1.mx.aol.com (omr-m1.mx.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CC62584C0A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:53:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-aah01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aah01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.141]) by omr-m1.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E815338000110 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.10.22] (unknown [38.108.56.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-aah01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 2D01B3800008F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: John Frymark Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:57:37 -0600 To: "fot@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1418144259; bh=V8wggg3gLhfxVJrhLSdE8XIcx8quoHftY60egK/knnE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ipcyMn/elK1gjX/Spgai+1bBGJLUjYU+TuVsiN6G8RNJO6Jyp9JQgtemCPQ9NeNHc +xUeXEGUumMsAlZ06ryq/X0U4Yx+CaICyQ9juzRP4x3DN+PJFijT85VNVmTEWM5YLz cVK8YSyy6JLCmvRYRjgaaH3h2VQ37XvcyL+gli5w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b018d54872a0319b2 Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our bonnet between sessions!) Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to have "vintage" transponders, too? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 9 14:28:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9962585130 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:28:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C019F25806C8 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from rocky ([24.255.156.66]) by p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id RYit1p0051SE0Kc01Yitqf; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:42:54 -0700 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "John Frymark" , References: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:49:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've always thought the non-rechargeable transponder was the way to go. Never have to fuss with recharging (or dead batteries). Install it and forget it. I hooked mine up to the "out" terminal of my master switch. When the car is "on" the transponder is on. If I don't plan to use it for a long period of time, I just take the fuse out. --Rocky Entriken . "There are only three true sports -- bullfighting, mountain climbing and motor racing. The rest are merely games." --Barnaby Conrad (NOT Hemingway) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) > business > model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 > years) > so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now > I > get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears > that > going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. > (Probably > with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're > losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our > bonnet between sessions!) > > Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems > or > will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going > to > have "vintage" transponders, too? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 9 16:57:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4804B2584A15 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 16:57:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EC02580884 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 16:30:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.206]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2E8FF700362C3 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (adsl-69-210-143-39.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net [69.210.143.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 45566380000AB for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:34:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Dentinger Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 17:34:29 -0600 To: Friends of Triumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1418168068; bh=JLRp1honGTwESW1bnehWZhs4PikphbYerOqieoW3bBs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=G7WKU444bELG846f3Z91rPdsKX+KwPQHWAOQrkxQxSJFg0+NWmXgYn8S9T8uj6rw7 pMMTKbrtPlBvPw83a15SF2u1kibDtDBQDpOGlPGNYhWBnu2MGG/MkuwcfCyxigisor /BotHQh48Yc/h2h6NxEEcoAQm/rtx6QCQ7uT6U/M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bce548787035a12 Subject: [Fot] Non TRIUMPH related... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net AMICI... I am a long time subscriber to AUTOWEEK, but sometimes I wonder why. I like the weekly competition section, and articles about radical new models, but after that the magazine is like a big catalog. This week's edition is an exception, as there are some great articles about the DODGE BROTHERS and the evolution of the DODGE marque. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 05:46:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4724258446E for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 05:46:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0111.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.111.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C1825809CA for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 05:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from DM2PR0401MB1119.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.99.140) by DM2PR0401MB1117.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.99.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.26.15; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:33:34 +0000 Received: from DM2PR0401MB1119.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.99.140]) by DM2PR0401MB1119.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.99.140]) with mapi id 15.01.0026.003; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:33:34 +0000 From: Michael Moore To: John Frymark , "fot@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Thread-Index: AQHQE9PSZ52s+kHpc06ln5zYnjITUpyIwuiw Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:33:33 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [24.165.139.19] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR0401MB1117; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM2PR0401MB1117; x-forefront-prvs: 0421BF7135 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(6029001)(377454003)(13464003)(199003)(189002)(74316001)(122556002)(40100003)(105586002)(106116001)(106356001)(2501002)(97736003)(107046002)(99286002)(16601075003)(46102003)(21056001)(76576001)(107886001)(31966008)(76176999)(4396001)(68736005)(19580395003)(33656002)(19580405001)(20776003)(64706001)(120916001)(62966003)(77156002)(1720100001)(99396003)(87936001)(66066001)(101416001)(102836002)(86362001)(15975445007)(50986999)(54356999)(2656002)(92566001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR0401MB1117; H:DM2PR0401MB1119.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:0; MX:1; LANG:en; Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding charge anymore. Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? Thanks Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road Fairview, PA 16415 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our bonnet between sessions!) Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to have "vintage" transponders, too? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 10:26:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA44258516F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:26:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2236258510B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.103]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id RtW11p0042EPM3101tW8ac; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:30:08 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-208v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.176.218]) by resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id RtW81p0014j68Km01tW8fQ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:30:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:30:07 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: Michael Moore References: (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Thread-Index: AQHQE9PSZ52s+kHpc06ln5zYnjITUpyIwuiwbKstjHE= s=q20140121; t=1418232608; bh=Bibvpprf1hg1tPZagGKI+NpRlyhFVAQFD9Q82eejAL0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=sifg/0Jv+wL6Qg4j2p7sLOfXdIbZMA+1LJffxt0bH3s3x+YQi2SSnUoOx7bDDlwyT u50+kuVkryoPxfOubOy/Yx0eoulg4KEgowvidnJMXQZ+EKiBo/PUV2M9IDH9txQTzf tyAfLyJUxM66gMv7Yu2lDMMvKSqsk2ivMDASqB17+Vd/X7gDV9XmsgfNsQ9ZV7oyzX fdsx64v6kH1RDzpcnlTC4JzvchjljtVINJqkov3b4YEYlcZMsGZI8Jdt8eZUHqGHjZ Ah4YccF79y5HX2lCsbNpKRrdpV+iewie0EX4GUssBi5LLZo7spU/cGgv+vAWtXsgm7 Dua0EBPXq89QA== Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down under. Some say the batteries they use are better than original. I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB has going ! #&@(+!. I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier to organized racing in the US you can name your own price. I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. A conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed 70%.............end rant. jim B http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html B B B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Moore" To: "John Frymark" , "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding charge anymore. Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? Thanks Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road Fairview, PA 16415 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our bonnet between sessions!) Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to have "vintage" transponders, too? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 10:42:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C339F2585211 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:42:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m1.mx.aol.com (omr-m1.mx.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805FC2584C10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:35:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-aae02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aae02.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.98]) by omr-m1.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7A027380000BB; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.10.35] (unknown [38.108.56.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-aae02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 21D6038000093; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Frymark Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:38:51 -0600 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1418233135; bh=W7sl1UFak6dfo0tBzxNKhwFqn6gwY90tyt5qj5dnh3w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=sYbj1lFglzE3jzbpNYtvqoA/zKRv8DzO56WhiHZCegAeihrQeobzx/ZuOxR2AdoGH GLY0f4OxHDV1qwNEilZVJUTL3TQzMyxAynpS38UYH9a8nL36FoTl4yYSFE8YVlfR3M AXHIB+HaQjDLaPMZcY4YucbQjoeonMsJxhRvDb14= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b01625488852d6502 Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, This is the same service I think I'm going to use. Looks like a $100 or so will keep me going for a while. Since I haven't heard any club chatter about changes required for the future, I hope I can avoid the $$$ for a non-performance part. John Frymark On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down under. Some say the batteries they use are better than original. > I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB has going ! #&@(+!. > I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier to organized racing in the US you can name your own price. > I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. A conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners > with AMB. Their gross profit from these things must exceed 70%.............end rant. > jim > > http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html > > > > > From: "Michael Moore" > To: "John Frymark" , "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding charge > anymore. > > Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and > scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? > > Thanks > Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road > Fairview, PA 16415 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business > model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) > so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I > get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that > going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably > with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're > losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our > bonnet between sessions!) > > Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or > will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to > have "vintage" transponders, too? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 10:42:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399862585265 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:42:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p01c11o143.mxlogic.net (p01c11o143.mxlogic.net [208.65.144.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43D12584C10 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:42:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO ATLPEXCAS03.xc.lan) by p01c11o143.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id de688845.0.18114.00-365.50401.p01c11o143.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::c824:a29e:45a5:b81c]) by ATLPEXCAS03.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:45:56 -0500 From: John Hasty To: Friends of Triumph Thread-Topic: Bell Housing Thread-Index: AdAUoXrwblmi1BbuQBKWaS8+noKIqA== Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:45:55 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.123.236] a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=BLc] a=YlVTAMxI] a=CjuIK1] a=V_gjgh9w2T] a=boj87N-umd0A:1] a=DPXzg2IyORLvTOfsfAsA] a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:] a=yTcOSzJjhyoA:10] Subject: [Fot] Bell Housing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are TR4 and TR6 housing the same? John H. Hasty | MULLEN HOLLAND & COOPER P.A. Attorney at Law 301 South York Street (zip: 28052) P.O. Box 488 Gastonia, NC 28053-0488 Telephone: 704.864.6751 | Facsimile: 704.861.8394 JHasty@mhc-law.com | www.mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 11:45:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E752585255 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138AF2584E48 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [184.58.135.148] ([184.58.135.148:53656] helo=SLTC) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id ED/69-19782-06398845; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:39:29 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'John Hasty'" , "'Friends of Triumph'" References: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:39:38 -0600 Thread-Index: AdAUoXrwblmi1BbuQBKWaS8+noKIqAABwclQ Content-Language: en-us a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:117 a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=e66q1VIsAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=RaHSXN-k_7zF-KIFR2sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MVDrLQDD3NUA:10 a=B6OhLMug29UA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yTcOSzJjhyoA:10 Subject: Re: [Fot] Bell Housing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Shape and mounting points are the same.... construction changed (improved over the years) with added strength. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:46 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Bell Housing Are TR4 and TR6 housing the same? John H. Hasty | MULLEN HOLLAND & COOPER P.A. Attorney at Law 301 South York Street (zip: 28052) P.O. Box 488 Gastonia, NC 28053-0488 Telephone: 704.864.6751 | Facsimile: 704.861.8394 JHasty@mhc-law.com | www.mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 12:30:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57702585248 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:30:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p01c11o143.mxlogic.net (p01c11o143.mxlogic.net [208.65.144.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C8325844EE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] by p01c11o143.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with SMTP id 80f98845.0.8338.00-378.24797.p01c11o143.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::c824:a29e:45a5:b81c]) by ATLPEXCAS03.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:28:32 -0500 From: John Hasty To: Friends of Triumph Thread-Topic: bell housing Thread-Index: AdAUr7pdPOxA9dz6R9uf2GCdUagJ7Q== Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:28:31 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.123.236] a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=BLc] a=YlVTAMxI] a=CjuIK1] a=aZDA4tGhBA] a=FNI-9_B8IYIA:1] a=1IWRV7cmVZJaqEhyPA0A] a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:] a=yTcOSzJjhyoA:10] Subject: [Fot] bell housing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone....my suspicions were confirmed....size, patterns etc. same, better construction in the 6. John H. Hasty | MULLEN HOLLAND & COOPER P.A. Attorney at Law 301 South York Street (zip: 28052) P.O. Box 488 Gastonia, NC 28053-0488 Telephone: 704.864.6751 | Facsimile: 704.861.8394 JHasty@mhc-law.com | www.mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 15:58:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329672584DF1 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:58:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F71258053B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:47:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.231]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id RyqK1p00B4zp9eg01yr0Zb; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:51:00 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-208v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.176.218]) by resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Ryr01p00J4j68Km01yr0TK; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:51:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: John Frymark References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <7E3ED6EE-2966-4F11-9021-874BCA9DE0AC@aol.com> (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: MyLaps transponder Thread-Index: s18248uR+5AG0Pr9WZtSvy8D/ejerQ== s=q20140121; t=1418251860; bh=EOQ10CYualDkAwUcWgYhWxOudJdUAy8ZB5dQ4Bo9M+g=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=smXHdsnMeul/I98c8an5N8ssFCOaerZkVtcebxng3sOddPYSbPTxl1KbFgYmxO2Yk 57xyro4PROv5yJFH46cmuobesslLEwhs0UXnbjSfpYkxND2B9WcvAVrqwdFNEHn42j aygQhi3W/SmwrVz+hFgupcdkf93psitcJ3M7nnUJXHW5cSR13xTCKqwzIimocrX/Ou STpw4e8RWbB5SJaKbiNIIJP0IsJUVzVY6XdxqKSYCT6JtssSfRvyUsnVzL6G+kEmF8 B57RgG+oXWL7/VPuOPVB/RTfcFvEYx4+QVJnJmtEkFwjtNc5jMDAwFZGe19fw48k+c d3KDwQxF3MlQw== Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John, The new battery is $ 63.00 USD plus shipping. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Cc: "Michael Moore" , "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:38:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Jim, This is the same service I think I'm going to use. Looks like a $100 or so will keep me going for a while. Since I haven't heard any club chatter about changes required for the future, I hope I can avoid the $$$ for a non-performance part. John Frymark On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down under. Some say the batteries they use are better than original. I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB has going ! #&@(+!. I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier to organized racing in the US you can name your own price. I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. A conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed 70%.............end rant. jim B http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html B B B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Moore" < mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com > To: "John Frymark" < jfrymark@aol.com >, "fot" < fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding charge anymore. Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? Thanks Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road Fairview, PA 16415 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot- bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of John Frymark Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our bonnet between sessions!) Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to have "vintage" transponders, too? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 17:57:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D482584647 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:57:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o141.mxlogic.net (p02c12o141.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7A025803CC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:56:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO ATLPEXCAS01.xc.lan) by p02c12o141.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id 0bce8845.2aeb8dac5940.23263.00-590.59394.p02c12o141.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO ATLPEXCAS01.xc.lan) by p02c12o141.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id b7ce8845.0.22857.00-397.58408.p02c12o141.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:59:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::c824:a29e:45a5:b81c]) by ATLPEXCAS01.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:59:13 -0500 From: John Hasty To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Thread-Topic: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Thread-Index: AQHQFN2ubgRCoHUcRkOI7oyQD4AZOw== Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 00:59:13 +0000 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <7E3ED6EE-2966-4F11-9021-874BCA9DE0AC@aol.com>, <1926549595.1221374.1418251860241.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8] a=Jcvz] a=1d-7oZjL6vWTPk2-:21 ] a=mx9KMoBCZvQA:10 ] Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not sure I understand. My transponder has no battery, it is wired in to the car's battery, comes on when the cut off switch & the instruments switch are cut on. ????? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" wrote: > > John, > The new battery is $ 63.00 USD plus shipping. > jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Frymark" > To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net > Cc: "Michael Moore" , "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:38:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > Jim, > This is the same service I think I'm going to use. Looks like a $100 or so > will keep me going for a while. Since I haven't heard any club chatter about > changes required for the future, I hope I can avoid the $$$ for a > non-performance part. > John Frymark > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down under. > Some say the batteries they use are better than original. > I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB has > going ! #&@(+!. > I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier to > organized racing in the US you can name your own price. > I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. A > conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners > with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed > 70%.............end rant. > jim > B > http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html > > > B > > B > B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Moore" < mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com > > To: "John Frymark" < jfrymark@aol.com >, "fot" < fot@autox.team.net > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding charge > anymore. > > Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and > scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? > > Thanks > Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road > Fairview, PA 16415 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot- bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of John Frymark > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business > model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) > so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I > get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that > going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably > with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're > losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our > bonnet between sessions!) > > Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or > will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to > have "vintage" transponders, too? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 18:29:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D55725809EC for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:29:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6F92580935 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.43] (ool-43538a8f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.138.143]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NGE00K749O19VF0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:33:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:33:35 -0500 From: Todd Redmond To: John Hasty References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <7E3ED6EE-2966-4F11-9021-874BCA9DE0AC@aol.com> <1926549595.1221374.1418251860241.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <6CA20AD2-053C-41C3-AED2-15144E17C24C@mhc-law.com> Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net John. They also make battery operated ones that need to be charged. Thanks Todd Redmond > On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:59 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand. My transponder has no battery, it is wired in to > the car's battery, comes on when the cut off switch & the instruments switch > are cut on. ????? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" >> wrote: >> >> John, >> The new battery is $ 63.00 USD plus shipping. >> jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "John Frymark" >> To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net >> Cc: "Michael Moore" , "fot" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:38:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >> >> Jim, >> This is the same service I think I'm going to use. Looks like a $100 or so >> will keep me going for a while. Since I haven't heard any club chatter > about >> changes required for the future, I hope I can avoid the $$$ for a >> non-performance part. >> John Frymark >> >> On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down > under. >> Some say the batteries they use are better than original. >> I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB > has >> going ! #&@(+!. >> I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier > to >> organized racing in the US you can name your own price. >> I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. > A >> conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners >> with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed >> 70%.............end rant. >> jim >> B >> http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html >> >> >> B >> >> B >> B >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Michael Moore" < mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com > >> To: "John Frymark" < jfrymark@aol.com >, "fot" < fot@autox.team.net > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >> >> John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding > charge >> anymore. >> >> Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and >> scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4, Race car >> 63 TR4, Street car >> >> Mike & Becky Moore >> 6050 Ruhl Road >> Fairview, PA 16415 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot- bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of John Frymark >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >> >> Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business >> model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 > years) >> so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I >> get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that >> going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably >> with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're >> losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our >> bonnet between sessions!) >> >> Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or >> will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going > to >> have "vintage" transponders, too? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95@optonline.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 19:27:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26592584AB0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:27:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16422580A63 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [72.177.110.20] ([72.177.110.20:54899] helo=[192.168.1.105]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 8A/8D-23149-8F109845; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 02:31:21 +0000 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From: Greg And Alison Blake Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:31:21 -0600 To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I've often wondered about this. I know the packaging and the type of transponder are different, but we can buy sticker transponders ( think toll tags) for as little as $1.00 these days. I really have a hard time understanding the AMB price, other than we all seem to pony up. > On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: > > My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down under. > Some say the batteries they use are better than original. > I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB has > going ! #&@(+!. > I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier to > organized racing in the US you can name your own price. > I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. A > conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners > with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed > 70%.............end rant. > jim > B > > > http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html > > B > > B > B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Moore" > To: "John Frymark" , "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding charge > anymore. > > Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and > scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? > > Thanks > Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road > Fairview, PA 16415 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > > Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business > model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 years) > so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I > get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that > going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably > with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're > losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our > bonnet between sessions!) > > Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or > will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going to > have "vintage" transponders, too? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 20:42:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A3825846C3 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:42:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S14.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s14.hotmail.com [65.55.90.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C58A2580809 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:39:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS314 ([65.55.90.72]) by SNT004-OMC2S14.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:43:41 -0800 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From: Tony and Annie Garmey Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:43:41 -0800 To: Greg And Alison Blake FILETIME=[A82C0FA0:01D014F4] Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen , a rechargeable transponder with external wires added to create a hard wired unit. Don't know how? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:31 PM, "Greg And Alison Blake" wrote: > > I've often wondered about this. I know the packaging and the type of > transponder are different, but we can buy sticker transponders ( think toll > tags) for as little as $1.00 these days. I really have a hard time > understanding the AMB price, other than we all seem to pony up. > > > >> On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >> >> My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down > under. >> Some say the batteries they use are better than original. >> I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB > has >> going ! #&@(+!. >> I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier > to >> organized racing in the US you can name your own price. >> I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. > A >> conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners >> with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed >> 70%.............end rant. >> jim >> B >> >> >> http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html >> >> B >> >> B >> B >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Michael Moore" >> To: "John Frymark" , "fot" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >> >> John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding > charge >> anymore. >> >> Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and >> scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4, Race car >> 63 TR4, Street car >> >> Mike & Becky Moore >> 6050 Ruhl Road >> Fairview, PA 16415 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >> >> Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) business >> model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 > years) >> so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now I >> get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears that >> going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. (Probably >> with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're >> losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our >> bonnet between sessions!) >> >> Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems or >> will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going > to >> have "vintage" transponders, too? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 10 23:16:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C0125847EA for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:16:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.127]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526022580946 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:16:41 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1418278833; bh=tHfNgAMKT5bUasOn2qJyufboy32/TdNbfxC5Go/iLHs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=UAZFVutLzZaLu6jSQiwM/nu2nDeVvZGV6OzCNF4HiWYWTDCkwimaz4PD6mV9fdJpHqQxcy98qfXGt/RSi2/qIz6q6pCMdBtknv4tqkNU1ZLh3PNC6rXMTCUQpx0TiW4SdHIUKfGbMbdPlBRMqxhi/lHQ7bsLHYdNQs20cnP4xZX7iwdBhixoJiUkrYaAl+Lvr/FmUrLhusILdmE2d4zlY5Ra+UeoFlU3voSm7xhTGKdLCgrNrxmo5Pc5ARK3b1XzwGfJviF8nflaeEkE/dvDYPu4CMIF0c/76nH6ikrZRNivzgvOYCt6RBjWK61n7ujwWy4xmbWuMIWBvQJeVVxt6A== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=o40sZgaK5vQGVv+96xypRt6kZLJvQ4A02p6ihU647GFyiQ3C8+GnyEikNNar8ozwm9giokFRmb86mJNB7vOyRxq7/Mli7bRA9s+d5DFcTB5T4jj/LiqGhCO7dLhtnpQhTumrPcIF7UulX9mld93rvlr8i5sGB4AC39ZsLg5niJIPRnAj3X1S2XubEN0O8tkf1NwaJyIcZusmggKcul3RFkhZlD/AKUb0qBcpZYMmxkjf7CGaFifAaaK3+FrITxL4AZaVxIRNChqjehSMhzNzL+eam24l9QQlDvvt9Mm7pz8p5WQq5Extui4LRdZqVjBHlby8MP2JBNE/3p6HTtxUrQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2014 06:20:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.240] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2014 06:20:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2014 06:20:33 -0000 F3z4hb1LOnsYoYVA7LA4goKvfW0XQWn66GPMQq5eGfcUgcmE0Lx45EWooIZjPoj7yvCRqJmKuT_q TqyZwVb315je7QPmBgU06ZkgswMgXMZlxR8mBjuNI7.1_i0nvIEpPgjauIRpjcpOIwK.g_k5MyDl Uy_SAoS.yXu.7cC_FultGiJZ1Kotkv3fawOPIqrIUYgHEdF.ydQ3HLNk4CoiV3sE2bl4XuYbELyY KCRZB9bN_MZj2hJ1dXo7.9llDsHK6YPMjZh6fdFGDk60BIlzz1QABh_Ek9GDrj.I70YDVGmuz8yY D69x9HRpNca0sg6KeOpLelDu6Gasl_yFLIUHikkX1zONYM1FAZxYEV.ptlyIvw5oEOcuWBJjL6ie ex_F2HnrVA2C_AM.kMUDQJZksR.tByfSm.LeoYjpP8Ld5FePH76VTLxNdKQLk_lKIdKVtC1uGKIE GgowXYX8r.dkqcVeLFArV77ekbUMaO03zC25IZ_viMX.avNfyM9qBSWaf8DXOoy_LXQ-- Received: by 76.13.27.49; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:20:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:20:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Mehl To: Rocky Entriken , John Frymark , "fot@autox.team.net" References: <1D6E9C0777304A14973D587759E193E7@rocky> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net DittoB from Mike Mehl #46 TR 4 B From: Rocky Entriken To: John Frymark ; fot@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder I've always thought the non-rechargeable transponder was the way to go. Never have to fuss with recharging (or dead batteries). Install it and forget it. I hooked mine up to the "out" terminal of my master switch. When the car is "on" the transponder is on. If I don't plan to use it for a long period of time, I just take the fuse out. --Rocky Entriken . "There are only three true sports -- bullfighting, mountain climbing and motor racing. The rest are merely games." --Barnaby Conrad (NOT Hemingway) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frymark" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder > Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) > business > model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 > years) > so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now > I > get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears > that > going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. > (Probably > with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're > losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our > bonnet between sessions!) > > Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems > or > will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going > to > have "vintage" transponders, too? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 11 09:04:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7522584500 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:04:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC3S11.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s11.hotmail.com [65.55.90.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E179E2580967 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS230 ([65.55.90.137]) by SNT004-OMC3S11.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:07:54 -0800 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From: D V Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:07:51 -0600 To: Tony and Annie Garmey FILETIME=[9F020A70:01D0155C] Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The PO of my car did the same thing. I haven't had any issues with it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:46 PM, "Tony and Annie Garmey" wrote: > I have seen , a rechargeable transponder with external wires added to create a > hard wired unit. Don't know how? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:31 PM, "Greg And Alison Blake" > wrote: >> >> I've often wondered about this. I know the packaging and the type of >> transponder are different, but we can buy sticker transponders ( think toll >> tags) for as little as $1.00 these days. I really have a hard time >> understanding the AMB price, other than we all seem to pony up. >> >> >> >>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down >> under. >>> Some say the batteries they use are better than original. >>> I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly AMB >> has >>> going ! #&@(+!. >>> I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole supplier >> to >>> organized racing in the US you can name your own price. >>> I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with it. >> A >>> conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners >>> with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed >>> 70%.............end rant. >>> jim >>> B > http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html >>> >>> B >>> >>> B >>> B >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Michael Moore" >>> To: "John Frymark" , "fot" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >>> >>> John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding >> charge >>> anymore. >>> >>> Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and >>> scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4, Race car >>> 63 TR4, Street car >>> >>> Mike & Becky Moore >>> 6050 Ruhl Road >>> Fairview, PA 16415 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM >>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >>> >>> Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) > business >>> model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 >> years) >>> so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now > I >>> get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears > that >>> going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. > (Probably >>> with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're >>> losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our >>> bonnet between sessions!) >>> >>> Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems > or >>> will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now going >> to >>> have "vintage" transponders, too? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/explore8@outlook.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 11 12:03:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204D42585186 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:03:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E39725845EF for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:03:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.234]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id SK5v1p00753iAfU01K7Dr2; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:07:13 +0000 Received: from [100.108.233.12] ([70.211.77.134]) by resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id SK6w1p00M2tri1i01K6z9M; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:07:11 +0000 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From: Brian Garcia Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:06:55 -0800 To: D V s=q20140121; t=1418324833; bh=0WY+ziQrXFpOEDBA+U+5pCm1eAreiWgaL5JbzO+ZWhk=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=W9QJJB770/cziMD8moIj8YgH3TgmOjdMQzBs7EVImacmwWSva8P477YuOoXaRwIiG V1Sf7vB//+0k8adPlkJx6QKSpM0rQ7lunPG/YHs2eyDm4hNh7iJPp6EaOBBvqC3rKX KPOSuU9XhK9BO9UnDf3tXPmWFw7fz0Wa/T5zVKwxQK4Gmkla1K8uosHntszWSejZhe SPhABPsVrtlOYCcSA86Dh7tAS7yWf8xwOdFx8rQfmBS/jf5M4rDRhT9jfoeYjeEjBH TuOHmpUvGWInWlG/sIoJXIrTFoxN3KkqVM/GI5bKCqOs7XTigmzLTwM0MwGlL+N9IG f3GGCeUo/ZHTQ== Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The May 2014 VSCDA newsletter has an article detailing how this can be done. http://www.vscda.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/May-2014.pdf Brian Garcia Friendly Ghost Racing > On Dec 11, 2014, at 8:07 AM, D V wrote: > > The PO of my car did the same thing. I haven't had any issues with it. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:46 PM, "Tony and Annie Garmey" > wrote: > >> I have seen , a rechargeable transponder with external wires added to create > a >> hard wired unit. Don't know how? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:31 PM, "Greg And Alison Blake" > >> wrote: >>> >>> I've often wondered about this. I know the packaging and the type of >>> transponder are different, but we can buy sticker transponders ( think > toll >>> tags) for as little as $1.00 these days. I really have a hard time >>> understanding the AMB price, other than we all seem to pony up. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>>> >>>> My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down >>> under. >>>> Some say the batteries they use are better than original. >>>> I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly > AMB >>> has >>>> going ! #&@(+!. >>>> I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole > supplier >>> to >>>> organized racing in the US you can name your own price. >>>> I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with > it. >>> A >>>> conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners >>>> with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed >>>> 70%.............end rant. >>>> jim >>>> B >> http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> B >>>> B >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: "Michael Moore" >>>> To: "John Frymark" , "fot" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >>>> >>>> John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding >>> charge >>>> anymore. >>>> >>>> Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and >>>> scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> 62 TR4, Race car >>>> 63 TR4, Street car >>>> >>>> Mike & Becky Moore >>>> 6050 Ruhl Road >>>> Fairview, PA 16415 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM >>>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>>> Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >>>> >>>> Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) >> business >>>> model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 >>> years) >>>> so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. Now >> I >>>> get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears >> that >>>> going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. >> (Probably >>>> with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where you're >>>> losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on our >>>> bonnet between sessions!) >>>> >>>> Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems >> or >>>> will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now > going >>> to >>>> have "vintage" transponders, too? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/explore8@outlook.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 11 12:34:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951722584561 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:34:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E00125806FA for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.236]) by resqmta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id SKcx1p00G56HXL001Ke2xA; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:38:02 +0000 Received: from [10.231.108.149] ([166.173.61.249]) by resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id SKdl1p0025Nf6va01Kdnqo; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:38:00 +0000 References: <2008862685.981236.1418232607629.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <0AEC7531-17AC-47A3-8D27-0F9B3E86B8DD@comcast.net> From: Jim Gray Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:37:42 -0700 To: Brian Garcia s=q20140121; t=1418326682; bh=DA8gsAzOTYIqOs5Cm0XSabX/lvJ/MLx3SFOCRfrfd0c=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=oeAPE3cd6UjytPm32huiwaLdhUFa243Hq6xwktkRtTOquxCJ/gRg/rhJFA9132U8A TlantuyFL2hQtDXL/CvuvIxOH5YIeG1IA9H3MeVkDr4ENnmP+O7Jv8O0kC4CklNrBj ZvqnBRo7ChEuVFWZY4phFJvQLXEqaPHucyUWe3iRR3Qt7EZw10PbdV1tiASA+9+14Z FJZSSDdRX0u7TVdgWCd1OYd3lKTkoHgyEauIKuNxoFPiQHIoTsfpQ1ZQ/rTb8o/w6A NmQO/yNsf2eosXHjXl2e2BGNwxfRZDURxmod2gAZWU84INg+8wMlPL7dMmGWucXxSG mNRtpUCo+bUug== Cc: John Frymark , fot Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Brian, your timing with that info couldn't be better. I was just about to send mine Down Under. Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Garcia wrote: > > The May 2014 VSCDA newsletter has an article detailing how this can be done. > > http://www.vscda.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/May-2014.pdf > > > Brian Garcia > Friendly Ghost Racing > >> On Dec 11, 2014, at 8:07 AM, D V wrote: >> >> The PO of my car did the same thing. I haven't had any issues with it. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:46 PM, "Tony and Annie Garmey" > >> wrote: >> >>> I have seen , a rechargeable transponder with external wires added to > create >> a >>> hard wired unit. Don't know how? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:31 PM, "Greg And Alison Blake" >> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've often wondered about this. I know the packaging and the type of >>>> transponder are different, but we can buy sticker transponders ( think >> toll >>>> tags) for as little as $1.00 these days. I really have a hard time >>>> understanding the AMB price, other than we all seem to pony up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 11:30 AM, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My battery is getting weak also so I'm sending off to these folks down >>>> under. >>>>> Some say the batteries they use are better than original. >>>>> I'm not anxious to pay another $ 480.00 for a new one. What a Monopoly >> AMB >>>> has >>>>> going ! #&@(+!. >>>>> I can buy a new flat screen TV for less. I guess when your a sole >> supplier >>>> to >>>>> organized racing in the US you can name your own price. >>>>> I'm a little annoyed that SCCA, NASA, IMSA, IRL and NASCAR put up with >> it. >>>> A >>>>> conspiracy theorist might suggest they are equity partners >>>>> with AMB. Their gross profit from these thingsB must exceed >>>>> 70%.............end rant. >>>>> jim >>>>> B > http://www.transponderservices.com/FAQ-mylaps-AMB-transponder-services.html >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>>> From: "Michael Moore" >>>>> To: "John Frymark" , "fot" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:33:33 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >>>>> >>>>> John, I am looking to purchase one also, my rechargeable isn't holding >>>> charge >>>>> anymore. >>>>> >>>>> Can't tell from website, will this new version still work for timing and >>>>> scoring at track if you don't have a subscription? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> 62 TR4, Race car >>>>> 63 TR4, Street car >>>>> >>>>> Mike & Becky Moore >>>>> 6050 Ruhl Road >>>>> Fairview, PA 16415 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Frymark >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:58 AM >>>>> To: fot@autox.team.net >>>>> Subject: [Fot] MyLaps transponder >>>>> >>>>> Are any of you up to date on the changes with the MyLaps (old AMB) >>> business >>>>> model? My rechargeable transponder won't hold a charge (after about 12 >>>> years) >>>>> so I'm investigating the guys that say they can put in a new battery. > Now >>> I >>>>> get an email from MyLaps announcing their new X2 system and it appears >>> that >>>>> going forward you need a subscription (the razor blade?) with it. >>> (Probably >>>>> with all kinds of smart phone connectivity/apps with data on where > you're >>>>> losing time on track so we'll need drop down, flat screen monitors on > our >>>>> bonnet between sessions!) >>>>> >>>>> Have any of the tracks or clubs indicated a switch over to "new" systems >>> or >>>>> will an old AMB transponder work for the foreseeable future? Are now >> going >>>> to >>>>> have "vintage" transponders, too? >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2@austin.rr.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot@autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/explore8@outlook.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cudapilot@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 09:56:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19B225847F5 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:56:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o144.mxlogic.net (p02c12o144.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F122580B2E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] by p02c12o144.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with SMTP id 3907c845.0.39563.00-380.91829.p02c12o144.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::c824:a29e:45a5:b81c]) by ATLPEXCAS02.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:59:34 -0500 From: John Hasty To: FOT Thread-Topic: Savannah Thread-Index: AdAW9isGpmHvFwhtQ/WjKL+tUDyF5w== Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:59:33 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Content-ID: a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=CjuIK1] a=J5de48KKWt] Subject: [Fot] Savannah Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mark has his TR4 down to1:28 about 1 sec. Behind Greg Miller's veery fast Morgan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 13 15:51:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B0525844A0 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:51:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 07EB725843DC for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:45:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1369 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 2014 22:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2014 22:49:42 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id TApf1p00Y1NzpT901Apisz; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:49:42 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=XN_xEfsGlqCjROyDoSAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7y1QDBoEN5IA:10 a=xbZngJez8bAA:10 a=W9dBHhDQHrcA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=55409 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XzvVL-0000yF-8j for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:49:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:49:36 -0600 To: fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Rear motor / trans mount plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have an extra TR-4 rear motor / trans mount plate (the one that the trans mount bolts to which in turn bolts to the frame)? Mine's getting kinda beat up and I'd like something in better shape. Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 14 04:52:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D891D2584559 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 04:52:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0137.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.110.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A8F258080C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 04:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from BY2PR0401MB1110.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.65.153) by BY2PR0401MB1111.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.65.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.31.17; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:51:55 +0000 Received: from BY2PR0401MB1110.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.65.153]) by BY2PR0401MB1110.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.65.153]) with mapi id 15.01.0031.000; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:51:55 +0000 From: Michael Moore To: Tony Drews , "fot@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Fot] TR-4 Rear motor / trans mount plate Thread-Index: AQHQFyfnUU0MWyoCFEmXtgGJbauAYpyO+iHg Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:51:54 +0000 References: <20141213225135.9C4C025844EF@autox.team.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [24.166.96.29] header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR0401MB1111; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2PR0401MB1111; x-forefront-prvs: 0425A67DEF x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(13464003)(164054003)(48214007)(199003)(377454003)(2656002)(99396003)(120916001)(105586002)(107886001)(92566001)(19580405001)(16601075003)(33656002)(40100003)(87936001)(99286002)(19580395003)(62966003)(77156002)(106356001)(2501002)(122556002)(31966008)(46102003)(101416001)(21056001)(97736003)(86362001)(64706001)(106116001)(20776003)(66066001)(76176999)(4396001)(102836002)(54356999)(74316001)(68736005)(107046002)(50986999)(15975445007)(1720100001)(76576001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR0401MB1111; H:BY2PR0401MB1110.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:0; LANG:en; Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 Rear motor / trans mount plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I think Sean and Joe Alexander make a really nice upgraded one Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:50 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Rear motor / trans mount plate Does anyone have an extra TR-4 rear motor / trans mount plate (the one that the trans mount bolts to which in turn bolts to the frame)? Mine's getting kinda beat up and I'd like something in better shape. Thanks, Tony Drews _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 14 07:22:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C692580BAE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:22:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 79E6C258093C for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18257 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 2014 14:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2014 14:26:35 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id TSSV1p00w1NzpT901SSYPK; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:26:35 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=WtWJByInAAAA:8 a=QgaTbAOHl2Yw28-6iREA:9 a=tDKoXxmPILc5yXHj:21 a=CyWujLc6oBodyUGz:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5nmbGoeUrHwA:10 a=iOgyu-XeqMgA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=64287 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0A7x-0005zy-AZ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:26:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:26:25 -0600 To: Michael Moore , "fot@autox.team.net" From: Tony Drews amprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <20141213225135.9C4C025844EF@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-4 Rear motor / trans mount plate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net They make the mount itself (which is very cool and is what I'm running now). This was for the plate / crossmember that it mounts to. I think I've got the right parts coming and appreciate the helpfulness of the list! Cheers, Tony At 05:51 AM 12/14/2014, Michael Moore wrote: >I think Sean and Joe Alexander make a really nice upgraded one > >Thanks >Mike > >Michael T. Moore, CPA >2007 West 32nd Street >Erie, PA 16508 > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >Fax: 814-864-7383 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews >Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 5:50 PM >To: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Rear motor / trans mount plate > >Does anyone have an extra TR-4 rear motor / trans mount plate (the >one that the trans mount bolts to which in turn bolts to the >frame)? Mine's getting kinda beat up and I'd like something in better shape. > >Thanks, Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore@mtmcpafirm.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 08:55:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7D25845BC for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S18.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s18.hotmail.com [65.55.111.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A8625844F2 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W56 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S18.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:56:09 -0800 From: marty To: FOT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:56:08 -0500 FILETIME=[A4A71170:01D0187F] Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Anybody have the dimensions handy for the TR6 crankshaft main and rod journals? I don't seem have them at work. I found some on the internet but think they left off a number. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 09:12:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23E1258459C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:12:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBA22584515 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from Charly (unknown [63.228.115.55]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A46015D8089; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "marty" , "FOT" References: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:09:58 -0800 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net According to my manual, Main journal diameter 2.311-2.3115" Crankpin diameter 1.875-1.8755" Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions > Anybody have the dimensions handy for the TR6 crankshaft main and rod > journals? I don't seem have them at work. I found some on the internet but > think they left off a number. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 09:14:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9812584765 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:14:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F041A258453B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:14:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [184.58.135.148] ([184.58.135.148:64804] helo=SLTC) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7B/47-27074-1E90F845; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:18:41 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'marty'" , "'FOT'" References: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:18:28 -0600 Thread-Index: AdAYgCgEdf6KPBjxR+CMHivcagDUKAAAXtyg Content-Language: en-us a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:117 a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=7LD1M0hXJd92CAf0ugIA:9 a=BwQ8dc-tzBxvRMTr:21 a=BUfEp9L_EWflkGV4:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mains 2.3110 to 2.3315 (way too much tolerance here) Shoot for the middle 2.3215 Rods 1.8750 to 1.8755 I like to keep a street engine tight and a race engine loose.... Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Anybody have the dimensions handy for the TR6 crankshaft main and rod journals? I don't seem have them at work. I found some on the internet but think they left off a number. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 09:17:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261E12584671 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:17:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D41F258459C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:16:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.99.30] (c-68-80-11-16.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.80.11.16]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NGM006MBTEJXA30@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:20:46 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-12-15_03:2014-12-15,2014-12-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1412150158 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:21:46 -0500 References: <40EB32EBB5FE4ADEB01840AF6EC8E82F@Charly> To: Charly Mitchel Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Charly's numbers are correct - I'm in the middle of a GT6 build - same dimensions, and that's where they should be before grinding undersize. On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: According to my manual, Main journal diameter 2.311-2.3115" Crankpin diameter 1.875-1.8755" Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions > Anybody have the dimensions handy for the TR6 crankshaft main and rod > journals? I don't seem have them at work. I found some on the internet but > think they left off a number. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 09:25:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614B925846E0 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:25:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s5.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCFD25845BC for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU168-W50 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:27:06 -0800 From: marty To: Scott Janzen , Charly Mitchel Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:27:05 -0500 References: , <40EB32EBB5FE4ADEB01840AF6EC8E82F@Charly>, FILETIME=[F7BAEEF0:01D01883] Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everybody. Marty Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions From: sjanzen@me.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:21:46 -0500 CC: trmarty@hotmail.com; fot@autox.team.net To: charly@mitchelplumbing.com Charly's numbers are correct - I'm in the middle of a GT6 build - same dimensions, and that's where they should be before grinding undersize. On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: According to my manual, Main journal diameter 2.311-2.3115" Crankpin diameter 1.875-1.8755" Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Anybody have the dimensions handy for the TR6 crankshaft main and rod journals? I don't seem have them at work. I found some on the internet but think they left off a number. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 12:15:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC3025848D2 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:15:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f50.google.com (mail-yh0-f50.google.com [209.85.213.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9322584657 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:12:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 29so5804948yhl.37 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:16:08 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=q5WBfBBorBTdxudgg/tqfz21GxqtylAPjnXI7ZG3LFQ=; b=JkoQdqC5op7t+bZrf2S8d10nxky2qDB3K/PZyzJwNfBFZi4n9CuiFrcZpxx/wtvbs7 culptU+ogLTqLTuU6y1uKcxyxnZqshJEM6sN9CTj4RdMSPBUyG6T2QKzu0Oodyp4+vZo LAFedCDUn8I2QRQt/xNNT8Ou8uVvjDVhdSUd0rGEB6EhExJUrx+rzSuR3f3WNF84zakU XhYDjx1wCubCJfI54ng6zAEzJTrKBrCZD2Bnd9sCYxBkB4OF4g8yVTrEwZ6Gzoy0lEcQ Jh5wuw1p8LcDNrAvackJSo2vCKsiXkcOLvQo7rBaw8qWeGRqi0D0zgaTt2O2rDrc2+Kd uKwg== e203mr25477558ykf.121.1418670968168; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.221.85 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Don Marshall Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:15:27 -0500 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] SU H6 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Are all H6 carbs the same? The Moss catalog shows 2 different numbers for them, depending on whether its early TR3 or later TR3/early TR4. Assuming they'll be used with a late TR4A long intake manifold, does the version of the H6 matter? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 13:29:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A1F258463C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:29:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (jabba.london.02.net [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912CB2580B7C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:28:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.183.46] (82.132.239.140) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 54882C6701C58605; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:32:16 +0000 References: From: TR4 Tony Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:32:14 +0000 To: Don Marshall Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] SU H6 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don I believe that the version available is based on the TR7 carb - they have an extra bleed hole and a few other differences as I recall. there is a guy called andrew turner who sells reconditioned carbs on eBay. He might also be worth talking to. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:15, Don Marshall wrote: > > Are all H6 carbs the same? The Moss catalog shows 2 different numbers for > them, depending on whether its early TR3 or later TR3/early TR4. Assuming > they'll be used with a late TR4A long intake manifold, does the version of > the H6 matter? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 13:57:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340A725846AE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:57:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f195.google.com (mail-ob0-f195.google.com [209.85.214.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF0E25802EE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f195.google.com with SMTP id vb8so4157267obc.2 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:00:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=S8H+Dy12aP9ytRueI3T0HYsigJKkkC2xudC9gOZbb7M=; b=PCvXHwG5hy6GpAfXQpJvdJgFiK7740YwGqlDh/87bTooWWO7TNyjp1AoKN++KSsR73 6kAWCLPydIGLKaqdqUPj6CqsXriUrwTFMiE+Q9L/uE1evFWbJxWITvoySyCxhQZzZS3M 3q7dup6Ha5+u0fj7EfIfVSpjIckMY3UAOZJU22lUT8sd2Yx66A2ymQKpMdoUF84rWCFA E4IV5VrCiKJkNH439kynhthWb6FxNz4hmuCqac/H3MxGkIRyKvPScysIP111bhEVtVPT 9GdWdY4Iil1M6XmTUIn3LAgrGI3c6xMx4+KOylu0r4z45NSm2334//L3E6vc47GSi/mg QkSg== mg5mr20490777oeb.73.1418677247888; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.74.163 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:00:47 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:00:47 -0500 From: Bruce Stutzman To: TR4 Tony Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] SU H6 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Don, H6 carbs are too long to use on the long manifold unless you want to push in the inner fender. All H carbs are the same length. HS carbs (horizonal short) go with the long manifold. The only difference between late and early H carbs is the float bowl top and banjo fittings as far as I know. Bruce On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:32 PM, TR4 Tony wrote: > > Don > > I believe that the version available is based on the TR7 carb - they have > an > extra bleed hole and a few other differences as I recall. > > there is a guy called andrew turner who sells reconditioned carbs on eBay. > He > might also be worth talking to. > > Regards > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:15, Don Marshall wrote: > > > > Are all H6 carbs the same? The Moss catalog shows 2 different numbers > for > > them, depending on whether its early TR3 or later TR3/early TR4. > Assuming > > they'll be used with a late TR4A long intake manifold, does the version > of > > the H6 matter? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 14:13:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7536D2580BA4 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:13:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f176.google.com (mail-yk0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD652580092 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:10:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yk0-f176.google.com with SMTP id q200so5266672ykb.7 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:14:39 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ZmLUiJNgQ5qfJqskh+SJ0DzE0kzYpnffOlsz75OmF6Y=; b=oZELM2QBos9i6+OERshdvoGZfs5dVVziGVB11esooCThgKUAmbMuDORKdfEw6KuWo8 mINMDDzFgyG29K9q7g5sgjk1OOMxB1eEgzTcVp93yRn6JyWraOzW4VYTYrE29VsQVcfR Gfke+UlPBDOt/iFOTIiPPkUrpw4xC9bHuOr+xleiH1XNzorw3t3vysxxtPa+QeoRMEAe VeQUQ3vLvg6/G5QXVEqjagKSsTVByeHz2GyGLH8SKNceUgkOK0RJzAkwCJHD0ueE4GrR /ERRYPSwJH0u3Q12UUJ5SJw95vFBQ4cp7kssya6Nkg76TRxl/HOSscFOefoHo4xOAO7e qU6g== 24mr24095908yhg.72.1418678079147; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.221.85 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: Don Marshall Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:13:59 -0500 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] H6 carb question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the responses. This is for a TR4 race car and supposedly the long carb (H6) and long manifold (TR4A) is the best combination for racing, although you have to put a dent in the inner fender to make it fit. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 14:32:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D0B2580B06 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:32:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2100325807BE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([71.116.36.193]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NGN001AN7ZLPJ40@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:35:47 -0600 (CST) a=dgAzUI+lILTWfq/CSWBZ6Q==:117 a=IJ9pWlWUkYEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=ljfD91urGSG7f4PyJBwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 From: "Bill Tobin" To: "marty" , "FOT" References: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:35:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I couldn't find it in my Triumph manuals, but Chilton's said 2.3110 to 2.3115 for mains and 1.8750 to 1.8755 for rods. Main brg oil clearance 0.0015 to 0.0025 and rod brg oil clearance 0.0010 to 0.0027. Hope this helps. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 crank journal dimensions > Anybody have the dimensions handy for the TR6 crankshaft main and rod > journals? I don't seem have them at work. I found some on the internet but > think they left off a number. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 16:15:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0938E25845D6 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:15:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948682580B06 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:15:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from SohlPC (ool-4350fa37.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.250.55]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0NGN00DXCCS9MU10@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:19:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:19:32 -0500 From: Bill Sohl To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This will make you sick. Doesn't the feds have anything better to do with our taxes? Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog > > http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/12/watch-feds-crush-classic-mini-caught-in-importation-dragnet/?icid=autos%7Clatest-auto-news%7Ccontent > > > Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 16:25:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4C325844BC for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:25:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com [64.26.60.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D089F258053B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:25:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from Charly (unknown [63.228.115.55]) (Authenticated sender: charly@mitchelplumbing.com) by smtpauth04.mfg.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 065635D807D; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bill Sohl" , "FOT" References: <7CBE06FD6541409DB552174E94CE30E5@SohlPC> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:29:04 -0800 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net it seemed like that Mini held up better than the Land Rover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46OOs9_R8eI Charly Mitchel charly@mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog > This will make you sick. > > Doesn't the feds have anything better to do with > our taxes? > > Bill Sohl > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:40 PM > Subject: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - > Autoblog > > >> >> http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/12/watch-feds-crush-classic-mini-caught-in-importation-dragnet/?icid=autos%7Clatest-auto-news%7Ccontent >> >> >> Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 15 18:00:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E182584539 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:00:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA0725806FB for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.231]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id U14f1p00C4zp9eg0114mhS; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 01:04:46 +0000 Received: from locutus ([50.170.163.20]) by resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id U14m1p0070Sj6Ay0114mSH; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 01:04:46 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Charly Mitchel'" , "'Bill Sohl'" , "'FOT'" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:05:45 -0700 Thread-Index: AdAYvv/oq4n+urhJQECDVHxR49zhswADLc4g s=q20140121; t=1418691886; bh=J1MCCzuSYCKnaK1iV1yqYuaKvkt8yuHcZboTtqwkoKM=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H4tVPPD4uTAfQtobS/aItn37lyU1aEm79GE/OdL79r8Gpva2hSPyzYdG9SgQRQUdq lTu8WPcAXoHrclfSd1DV/9i+198iTR4BXoj1AeQBHJcnC3fBN2AXiQL7ipz2G4+dQU VBtQ9HwohViM4+ZwC8zt+An4ItSPgJOajQMNsrF2me9hJOib0bxtJ0A7qenO95KWXd lQRLYQ1VEIWh88SDUrPlT+Rj0Ka6qHGvbyCbTu5EnFRgPcRdozgFmyUzC8wnw7rC3n wUUBAVhGG/JbTWUZLh1svfiPn9+A07cLEWKdHJHXhdEBUS9X6OPx4maCQnP1t9yVdV /T3Hj/QMCigjQ== Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I feel safe knowing my government knows whats good for me and is looking out for my well being. By the way, that's not an illegal car, it's just undocumented. If the mini were human it would have had a free place to live, medical care, welfare and maybe even government subsidies to start a business by now. jim -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 4:29 PM To: Bill Sohl; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog it seemed like that Mini held up better than the Land Rover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46OOs9_R8eI Charly Mitchel charly@mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sohl" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: [Fot] Fw: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - Autoblog > This will make you sick. > > Doesn't the feds have anything better to do with > our taxes? > > Bill Sohl > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:40 PM > Subject: Watch feds crush classic Mini caught in importation dragnet - > Autoblog > > >> >> http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/12/watch-feds-crush-classic-mini-caught-in-i mportation-dragnet/?icid=autos%7Clatest-auto-news%7Ccontent >> >> >> Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 12:15:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C72584B11 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:15:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com (mail-ie0-f173.google.com [209.85.223.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817842580966 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id y20so1296738ier.18 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:18:35 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=KqFBSYqvr7wuUwis1pK4N76pZrQ0F9shTzS9rUYiI8Y=; b=bn7pCN3IsEHJLGMhyUyDlpK7G27pmy0+JU65QkBx+d4R2S/mBxJeYrjzRpTfcrPIMC Z+5jaOhzlvQ1GpsCd/Rsz6L2i6w/ZnDHWdqMpnB61/p575luKT6m9LcJc0DOx5+eIvoi Ybr7w/IIuY5igwvTBc70qbq2wAvxh2fKj+hNyo6sNqbaPmzu0bf496hIF2ZqKS7o472S 5PlPxhYnyuwyCw3dyqiSaY5UmYw/V2izusHNVLu8gWJ+TsDEHRZSxqeOU2s29aYjujIe NVdv4XCxcodmw9+ElPGsrXPxzE6jo1qyK7Z9xNY+JMIA4qoiUGypHnrRIafOZctti8kQ Tf4Q== j93mr9050772ioi.83.1419016715027; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.9] (107-147-194-78.res.bhn.net. [107.147.194.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o72sm4919208ioo.14.2014.12.19.11.18.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:18:33 -0500 To: FOT List Triumph Subject: [Fot] . Head intake / exhaust port question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, I have posted to a couple of TR related sites and have received conflicting info to this inquiry: In one of Kas Kastner's recent books he shows a couple of cross sections thru the intake and exhaust ports. On the exhaust he shows a weld build up location behind the valve guide that then gets ground down to smooth the transition of the outgoing gas. Wondering if anyone has tried to use MOROSO A + B Epoxy in place of the weld and if so what has been the result? TR Driver in a reply indicated that as long as the exhaust gas didn't exceed 250 degrees it should work. So next question is what is the normal exhaust gas temp on might see in the pocket just below the exhaust valve? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 12:26:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046C52584879 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:26:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4601C258452E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:26:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3660 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 2014 19:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2014 19:30:18 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id VXWC1p01L1NzpT901XWFUr; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:30:17 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=CoiNW0XkWs24Sc1qPH4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=52213 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y23Fc-0001jr-GQ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:30:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:30:06 -0600 To: Dan ,FOT List Triumph From: Tony Drews References: <12712A58-5A54-4591-AFFC-7EB36596F466@gmail.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] . Head intake / exhaust port question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net EGT's are in the 1300 to 1400 degree range 6" from the head. Will be higher in the head itself. Tony Drews At 01:18 PM 12/19/2014, Dan wrote: >Folks, >I have posted to a couple of TR related sites and have received conflicting >info to this inquiry: > >In one of Kas Kastner's recent books he shows a couple of cross sections thru >the intake and exhaust ports. On the exhaust he shows a weld build up >location behind the valve guide that then gets ground down to smooth the >transition of the outgoing gas. Wondering if anyone has tried to use MOROSO A >+ B Epoxy in place of the weld and if so what has been the result? TR Driver >in a reply indicated that as long as the exhaust gas didn't exceed 250 degrees >it should work. So next question is what is the normal exhaust gas temp on >might see in the pocket just below the exhaust valve? >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 12:35:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F7E2584618 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:35:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF3A2580AF2 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:31:12 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1419017711; bh=Xp7U6kLnKL5LQ6d6O2VOMAJ27hmnHcmJxeZpaAoJgb0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=BVnS+CKEMon9WURFFGv+L4bIfnzUxcB8nUAv8k3ALHvWA33LP6kAa2WM0i2fo6nKETXWVn0WAKQLtwlEejY3Gv7sOB5t8OAU/l4XWppZG7SKRrwRxSHgi2HnLgLUY07DnD5XxJhFjus4wNDn1JYu4P17FcHii+Wlsrv1924tauUOSAQV7cB7Cy09+aSxI1BJqvfBM/0drr971Muh39e0CE9V1PvhGX3UFDK68a3CptfPP07hBXjVHz5JBKKA6rQO4FgTbPiK1x8zRJTjFtdCW76I4UeMj13i/qFQcAnyS4aJQtDdzEN8Hjl7JO28ohyPkPH2MJ+JaHZa4xjYqA2FlA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=C7Z0c6oqei4uan2d4PE/bWGTrDqvDN3EsBWxvCNoU+ztEU6VGxkbNKzV7SGNDmzl2/434mtxYdtFkXEbucIAabHAIvq+WSCehaXPsDHCpwVC8DMWa2+P33DpSmEz06gX8EAoSsqBpJgP/SOJuJoS4/7+d303ci4SEt3pu80gebMHE5cLytYHroJJWF4RTqnzcWtxSh4fLOGsz/pzjkc4lL5htwmU79+gxDfzLUCDSHZlLlEs+sdX0fO7GEXjDNNxZ1wMd4OVyZR2omqfOuar7XScZHWpKHFZxu1+yEqG2ppIZQ3sSpllKaLINZ1N08/kIFllKeMBr/Y5XGayoC05uQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2014 19:35:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2014 19:35:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2014 19:35:11 -0000 uiqqrTOfh0yj6qfk7xz0mvimJw97s2c.IXvoUcEsWJq2o3KkH2vAZ3._EHX8 hfo33FFgDoTySy7rRQ5NXMQ2gvWAkjoqNe4XbXJ.H2_bqFKJDbx6.w3gnWJI JKCDex6EXVkUwDqKftzQeolZ8lcaHd8tQ9DbUnM.Z3KqO.HVrNznwBODBWe0 JzsVhaUChShz2N1nf741OMEtkjoqK.gW49vlZ2D1WB._NxRDD0MW1I_fZTbi RWSnhwSXaD1KLv1rwW22bz6tRtIM8MDFtJBlGuoHpxgNSkthegzT_HkTulNI OYZSfhorj61y6iWXujlAKobtxWpzF70ekZA2fjFAsNfr4bnw_Y6pJc0dEuL3 L3fNVN7n0GH1QWIIHfi9NUAbXc5gw1_nzd7Ae3cp4CSb09I3QPq3bXaFrO44 prp_8hBxWZ79cw3ZML4m_2ybyKwuYYyr91XW6zyXUddWA8a6zVjbS_l8c4zr irWMfPDSCqepmh6oYGK6D8gM.h2Z1vWaPk_PzNse134c6 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:35:31 -0500 From: Hugh Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Dan , FOT List Triumph References: <12712A58-5A54-4591-AFFC-7EB36596F466@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] . Head intake / exhaust port question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know the exact "average" for a TR motor, but the average EGT for a 4-stroke motor is well above 250 degrees. In fact, I think it's closer to 1000 degrees (maybe a bit more). In any case, way too high for epoxy. On 12/19/2014 2:18 PM, Dan wrote: I have posted to a couple of TR related sites and have received conflicting info to this inquiry: In one of Kas Kastner's recent books he shows a couple of cross sections thru the intake and exhaust ports. On the exhaust he shows a weld build up location behind the valve guide that then gets ground down to smooth the transition of the outgoing gas. Wondering if anyone has tried to use MOROSO A + B Epoxy in place of the weld and if so what has been the result? .... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 12:35:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E932580AFC for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:35:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9F22580AF2 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from [184.58.135.148] ([184.58.135.148:57432] helo=SLTC) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5F/80-13835-A5E74945; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:36:58 +0000 From: "Steve Yott" To: "'Dan'" , "'FOT List Triumph'" References: <12712A58-5A54-4591-AFFC-7EB36596F466@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:36:49 -0600 Thread-Index: AdAbwK+/37bMCJ0tR7af8+n5I5L27wAAYbfw Content-Language: en-us a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:117 a=fnFn1fNgoXPPV0bsU6PlVg==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=Qdt_NWHgIcfqC4mkxVMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Subject: Re: [Fot] . Head intake / exhaust port question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net My opinion only but, I would never use an epoxy in the exhaust port as the temps are way too high and the epoxy will turn to liquid! This works fine in an intake port (but not the pocket) that is relatively cool. On the exhaust the transition from the pocket to the runner is really bad on flow as it is nearly a right angle. What I do is grind down the valve guide boss in order to smooth the transition. I have taken as much as 3/32" from the boss and then rounded the transition as much as possible. It is a middle of the road fix but much better than stock and far cheaper than welding. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:19 PM To: FOT List Triumph Subject: [Fot] . Head intake / exhaust port question Folks, I have posted to a couple of TR related sites and have received conflicting info to this inquiry: In one of Kas Kastner's recent books he shows a couple of cross sections thru the intake and exhaust ports. On the exhaust he shows a weld build up location behind the valve guide that then gets ground down to smooth the transition of the outgoing gas. Wondering if anyone has tried to use MOROSO A + B Epoxy in place of the weld and if so what has been the result? TR Driver in a reply indicated that as long as the exhaust gas didn't exceed 250 degrees it should work. So next question is what is the normal exhaust gas temp on might see in the pocket just below the exhaust valve? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 12:43:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9933525844B5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:43:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AF92580AFC for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.229]) by resqmta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id VXm91p0054xDoy801Xn1ZD; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:47:01 +0000 Received: from [10.199.80.213] ([166.173.186.229]) by resomta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id VXmm1p0054xPbja01Xmp5z; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:46:59 +0000 References: <12712A58-5A54-4591-AFFC-7EB36596F466@gmail.com> <20141219192630.E13E325849AC@autox.team.net> From: Jim Gray Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:46:44 -0700 To: Tony Drews s=q20140121; t=1419018421; bh=g84JGuGCPEyDw7ge8f2OK3gZ+eRbhGFqciYfETxCG3k=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=laJUssf71jD2tSRzxngI2MDj6P4vKfb9U3i7jNUldUt4x+noWBSuGcIg8dJ6hNkYG PHLGoNe8nQ4jFnVDDMwhrWOKEmuT5Vs8rTTeXshU9cBwd+piKa0uPP6DJ++OtNpvnX W0w3hD/hcFoKlW0MCg9x/fBUXa3QlFqplVHShsJWDgc0R1YUeT88Sr5M+EBcPmfGA5 UXnG6LB0WMAlUrTbykc6QYqRAdxF4PeF760oKPUwDs9V6cSHFGyVp4Ocw/ewiem2dV dkCbd+ca3Ah/HQeV2Wi8pkfmGrTx7B/27uzHjdkJKhaH86xTFdnQMd8mWVh/cedkG9 XoJrLruxRMlPw== Cc: FOT List Triumph , Dan Subject: Re: [Fot] . Head intake / exhaust port question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tony's right, way too hot for the epoxy which I've heard works for intakes. I did a lot of welding to my exhaust valve pockets and its a pretty big commitment even if your the one that's going to grind it all back out. Just finding a shop that's qualified to do the welding is a big challenge. I got lucky and found one right here in Denver. I cut sections from a stock head and clayed in where I wanted the weld so they had a clear guide to work from. You can see pictures of those sections on TerriAnns site. I have other pix of the clay work, the welding and the final product if you choose to go that way. Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > EGT's are in the 1300 to 1400 degree range 6" from the head. Will be higher in the head itself. > > Tony Drews > > At 01:18 PM 12/19/2014, Dan wrote: >> Folks, >> I have posted to a couple of TR related sites and have received conflicting >> info to this inquiry: >> >> In one of Kas Kastner's recent books he shows a couple of cross sections thru >> the intake and exhaust ports. On the exhaust he shows a weld build up >> location behind the valve guide that then gets ground down to smooth the >> transition of the outgoing gas. Wondering if anyone has tried to use MOROSO A >> + B Epoxy in place of the weld and if so what has been the result? TR Driver >> in a reply indicated that as long as the exhaust gas didn't exceed 250 degrees >> it should work. So next question is what is the normal exhaust gas temp on >> might see in the pocket just below the exhaust valve? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 13:10:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB68E25845C3 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:10:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC2E258097D; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:10:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567DC2C066A; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:14:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:14:10 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: Triumph List , FOT References: <839A70B8-F888-451F-A31F-7C7C4219DF1C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bud wrote: > Listerati, > > What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is it > the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? As I recall, one is 7/8", the other 1". I remember trying to mate a 1" gearbox to a 7/8" clutch disk late one night at Bailey's many years ago. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 13:45:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6126525844E3 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:45:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3D8258093C for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:45:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l18so2290032wgh.30 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:49:27 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=6yXR9ik3Spu9HgwqjInMls9D3Jn9OXELQJrnbEC2Ztc=; b=vk2ZzLrslLoP29cI83JgH4/3P9FBU7O1cEO+1o5gXZAgrU6iwZsPJ2dRQ7MkQiv6Qo n0BgTuflxuxIWCWqQV8DwAR4nj5xXxiSJSFF7eKGKVZZOkv/2+cft8pb13DUJn7HpsbR J7viXey5NE21/WqhG/IA4363iBTgebwuplJo22WI45UX2kdeFjlFfG+dbaGRLu3QpxGk P+dMvmzXQTTPf4D8+CXDULScu9v0QXJLW/UDbIp2DxDlqQvTN7PdIndLPhCsu9v1v2ty wkBrFScVKjAnaEn3RgRwfDV1jSxHXEmgRsbQMHq9TBYIG0M2Es0zBBVJ+Som3qzivQbE dugg== Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([2.162.234.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f7sm3630910wiz.13.2014.12.19.12.49.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" References: <839A70B8-F888-451F-A31F-7C7C4219DF1C@comcast.net> <54948712.2040602@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:49:24 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAbyHCVmfXX/U9MRYifC6ZIMBhEqgABEmYg Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] 26 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, I want to equip my TR8 with new clutch discs. The car has a triple clutch. Now it is getting funny. I measured the splines and found 1-1/8" 26 spline version. It seems now that this type is named 1-5/32" 26 spline. And unfortunately there are real 1-5/32 ones available and some which are 1-1/8". How can this be that two diameters are sold under one size? BTW....PTT clutch is installed. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 15:55:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D68225844EE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:55:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.q.com (smtp.quartz.synacor.com [205.169.121.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC29258097D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:55:26 -0700 (MST) q=dns/txt; i=@q.com; t=1419029964; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=7JYSM/ENjhFDpERygX1KMScyw90=; b=Xgfne9xGO107UfjogOZtF0zewkjL9z1G/AEiyUigoy5KsxoXLG77etnppV2z5KfJ vW6FMkCOm5h1BCFpdMtRy/pfFHYBF+PnEqacYSebB+MeT0yb50Fv8XPtkOcIoxdr i41FnfFH0qi9qFdCtrKApBLU6/giDBD3qyzNBx4NzhCabhPO/puRJx+hGtdplC6k PMQ+TGdWNWjRz5uP9h2EHxop0bkKUUdW+uO4JnxObhhgvkaAlcPIpvRMjUyop+sI NSGF9PbQI+QY9AYn++Devo05SHimltvfbpiZAILHPB2FoQOCsGwraGFscV9FOmeV qYPoo7tsPNTcp/vdvPCXag==; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=MVt/OeM/O+V7psr6YXG+1g==:117 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=MfYvrNSEAikA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=BM2Wo2QsAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=s1nbFx6T4iANE7oBraQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [10.30.7.251] ([10.30.7.251:36359] helo=md04.quartz.synacor.com) by smtp.q.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id E6/38-15901-CCDA4945; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:59:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Forgey To: Bud (Win)/6.0.8_GA_2685) Cc: Triumph List , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, I think Fred may have done it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud" To: "Triumph List" , "FOT" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:10:08 PM Subject: [TR] 10 spline diameters? Listerati, What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is it the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? I'm thinking of mating a TR6 tranny to a Spitfire that already has a GT6 tranny. Anyone done this? I heard that Kas adapted a TR6 to a Spit but haven't seen in any of his books what is involved. Hope he see's this post and can provided the details. My hope is that I'm half way there with a GT6 tranny already in place and can use the existing clutch and flywheel. Also, any recommendations on companies that reline clutches? The existing clutch is apparently a custom hybrid for a GT6 tran mated to a Spit. Thanks Bud ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 19 19:32:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0DA258447A for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:32:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54C12580884; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:31:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBK2Znc0025231; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:35:49 -0500 Received: from [10.190.42.121] (6.sub-70-208-202.myvzw.com [70.208.202.6]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.4.5-GA) with ESMTP id BFB36643 (AUTH tedtsimx@bright.net); Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:35:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:35:49 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher To: Bud refid=2.7.2:2014.12.20.20027:17:28.905, ip=, rules=DATE_TZ_NA, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, CTYPE_MULTIPART_NO_QUOTE, __ANY_URI, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __FORWARDED_MSG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_3000_3999, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, RDNS_WIRELESS, __RDNS_POOLED_6, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[6.202.208.70.fur], BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_POOLED, RDNS_SUSP_SPECIFIC, MULTIPLE_RCPTS, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS refid=str=0001.0A020204.5494E085.0102,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-06-20 05:37:11, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine Cc: Triumph List , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bud, GT6 is 1" 10 spline. We did the TR6 trans conversion 40 years ago. We can supply whatever you need - clutch, etc. Please let me know if we can help. Ted Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Bud wrote: >Listerati, > >What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is it >the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? > >I'm thinking of mating a TR6 tranny to a Spitfire that already has a GT6 >tranny. Anyone done this? > >I heard that Kas adapted a TR6 to a Spit but haven't seen in any of his books >what is involved. Hope he see's this post and can provided the details. My >hope is that I'm half way there with a GT6 tranny already in place and can use >the existing clutch and flywheel. > >Also, any recommendations on companies that reline clutches? The existing >clutch is apparently a custom hybrid for a GT6 tran mated to a Spit. > >Thanks >Bud > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 20 06:45:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B702C2584ACD for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:45:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040632580998 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:44:46 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1419083326; bh=FVAuLZYvxToStB+cIu7eeFSSK5NZfxJehWH4trawkQg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=OKKJhVn29TB7yM86tjo3e5RipbWafwGLrXpW/SRgBkTPFjHQJ7l0G6kWo31RgEohRboIi/DmiQUoKIULhtZDnZtaB9LjtXUF5mVlTTsoxpCuOOYlGGdIvymf0a9Y06l53nQerD8T6J/7w4tvRAMLA0cZtHuX8ifxRlae5hgrYckFU8XJtOKKp/L6Co9QaeLMko9CT/sQOV4dU+LRvBGptPwmfea/QMNrD59asUgy8pDpfT+kbja4m29kWNlAPQsvur2XHk/kuvgohu2Gr+AYiqR2IuWyDaBzNdXBGSdx+GaLcYY2O/dA40qJWEqAnTZwZLeDNSCWUHiqM9+KPneceA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=H1E50TT+7HIMxCK1LGwbftojLJSuybs6pGdAz/YSrO8hnHvaVS4bP4HyGmUOGB5nuIKy8SGxz6Oodz0zRBqe0H6H50THlLS6gEQcue5k6Ssaqwc363w3cJKmIFW8ye3d6CoG7fc8otGg96ulH9JqSApLsJN6/siLhI3rQ8NMTxdNcqylR4qbaRtptXXzVhipsuxGzR+1gEeyNACpXWodwkC/zbeL9rTvpiNzZoLTPEvMpfJOWio1BSvqIY3biouXJq53P9n8+vzNbMIzawwFkSpqWntdaaCuNSc/uzvtlZ8JED3xATpyYiGHxFHOk5ogwjcfGLW8Y4U16iqjPBQdRw==; Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2014 13:48:46 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.213] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2014 13:48:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2014 13:48:46 -0000 EDGfBUTVBsj_kFGnBhYig7anywPDgZK.94JzVHNaMu.5bmAM4zrXLGs5eutksK9f3pNVaWcWTpeI ujUOVfdgfW4anTWbbr3z5CoYfT7yWJ9hp1OdVFrBDznKbRVKpygt0Dkkhw2mUu9jLkKE3EkZ0qgY o_FrfUA.jpJ.f2ZI9Mr00mi4pIvcQcAoVEyLwogPl3lV4LL3RigroLna2BmT1YSDmQzBx.n8jRmq JrJg.U2xnv9Sq1wY5616SEP7Y0k4A3lW8OJcUBbm1Vc427A9aHJ7UUBoT7vS3bgBpjA6KYTmu31N 1vWT5Na7BTkCAEfCZEkXhYq7fpXhGw2crmZ7fSJ0MLIbaFzOv8vMXPW1Pzg0nSrAPx_QBGXBph.j Ksd5fkynxuhz4BAsjh_xlNqsXtfETkXBHs.tt8TE1k5FxLFcq9wlmbAWSE85QUyxAcwHojArd_Cg 6J0L6FMgeRyHRCJBSJX.ONQJBinquAhmfbEDSLH7y6.FNUsFrbSHrFvg9DtCY4tn7T2X5LQ-- Received: by 216.39.61.239; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:48:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:48:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Jack Wheeler To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" References: Subject: [Fot] Fw: [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The stock input shaft diameter and splines on the TR-6 and GT-6 transmissions are different.B When SCCA approved the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gearbox (about 1980) for use in the TR-4, the Dolomite gearbox had the same input shaft as the GT-6.B So, until I moved up to a Tilton clutch, I simply used a GT-6 clutch plate with the TR-6 pressure plate.B I hope this helps. Jack Wheeler ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Ted Schumacher To: Bud Cc: Triumph List ; FOT Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? Bud, GT6 is 1" 10 spline. We did the TR6 trans conversion 40 years ago. We can supply whatever you need - clutch, etc.B Please let me know if we can help. Ted Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Bud wrote: >Listerati, > >What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is it >the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? > >I'm thinking of mating a TR6 tranny to a Spitfire that already has a GT6 >tranny. Anyone done this? > >I heard that Kas adapted a TR6 to a Spit but haven't seen in any of his books >what is involved. Hope he see's this post and can provided the details. My >hope is that I'm half way there with a GT6 tranny already in place and can use >the existing clutch and flywheel. > >Also, any recommendations on companies that reline clutches? The existing >clutch is apparently a custom hybrid for a GT6 tran mated to a Spit. > >Thanks >Bud > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 20 07:23:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD422584B83 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:23:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECED25805EB for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:22:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.203.13.233] ([68.203.13.233:59999] helo=[192.168.2.8]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DD/D9-07206-23785945; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:26:58 +0000 References: <1298000489.380758.1419083325030.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10751.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Bob Kramer Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:26:58 -0600 To: Jack Wheeler Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net So is that the same spline as the TR7/TR8. 5 speed? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Jack Wheeler wrote: > > The stock input shaft diameter and splines on the TR-6 and GT-6 transmissions > are different.B When SCCA approved the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gearbox > (about 1980) for use in the TR-4, the Dolomite gearbox had the same input > shaft as the GT-6.B So, until I moved up to a Tilton clutch, I simply used a > GT-6 clutch plate with the TR-6 pressure plate.B I hope this helps. > Jack Wheeler > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Ted Schumacher > To: Bud > Cc: Triumph List ; FOT > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? > > Bud, GT6 is 1" 10 spline. We did the TR6 trans conversion 40 years ago. We can > supply whatever you need - clutch, etc.B Please let me know if we can help. > Ted > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > Bud wrote: > >> Listerati, >> >> What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is it >> the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? >> >> I'm thinking of mating a TR6 tranny to a Spitfire that already has a GT6 >> tranny. Anyone done this? >> >> I heard that Kas adapted a TR6 to a Spit but haven't seen in any of his > books >> what is involved. Hope he see's this post and can provided the details. My >> hope is that I'm half way there with a GT6 tranny already in place and can > use >> the existing clutch and flywheel. >> >> Also, any recommendations on companies that reline clutches? The existing >> clutch is apparently a custom hybrid for a GT6 tran mated to a Spit. >> >> Thanks >> Bud >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 20 08:02:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782D12584BDC for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:02:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FC62580863 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:02:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.240.212.241] ([166.171.56.114]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NGV00APJZB8G250@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:06:46 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-12-20_01:2014-12-19,2014-12-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412080000 definitions=main-1412200151 From: SCOTT JANZEN Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:06:43 -0500 References: To: Bud Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If you put a tr6 box in, you will also need to invert the clutch actuating shaft, redrill it for the tapered pin from the other direction, and fabricate a mount for the slave cylinder. The tr6 slave is underslung and will hit the frame. You'll need a new rear trans mount (frame welding), a hybrid shortened driveshaft with a tr6 yoke on the front end. Tr6 box weighs about 25- 30 lb more, shift lever ends up in the same place as a gt6 box and it fits under a gt6 trans cover. If you put a close ratio gear set in (avail from Moss) the input shaft is 1", 21 spline (tr7 disc?). Close ratio is great on the track but 1st gear is really tall for slow speeds. Also check the input shaft bushing in the crankshaft to make sure it extends far enough to the rear to support the trans input shaft. Lastly, you will need a tr6 rear engine plate, which bolts right onto the Gt6 block, don't know about the spit. Sent from my mobile device > On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Ted Schumacher wrote: > > Bud, GT6 is 1" 10 spline. We did the TR6 trans conversion 40 years ago. We can supply whatever you need - clutch, etc. Please let me know if we can help. Ted > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > Bud wrote: > >> Listerati, >> >> What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is it >> the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? >> >> I'm thinking of mating a TR6 tranny to a Spitfire that already has a GT6 >> tranny. Anyone done this? >> >> I heard that Kas adapted a TR6 to a Spit but haven't seen in any of his books >> what is involved. Hope he see's this post and can provided the details. My >> hope is that I'm half way there with a GT6 tranny already in place and can use >> the existing clutch and flywheel. >> >> Also, any recommendations on companies that reline clutches? The existing >> clutch is apparently a custom hybrid for a GT6 tran mated to a Spit. >> >> Thanks >> Bud >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 20 10:28:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A189258488F for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:28:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1F92580728 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBKHWEFo051165 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:32:14 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.4.5-GA) with ESMTP id BFB42804 (AUTH tws@bright.net) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:32:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:32:12 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1298000489.380758.1419083325030.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10751.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <01F8C8AA-6594-46E8-A02A-B453EB216520@austin.rr.com> refid=2.7.2:2014.12.20.165720:17:9.975, ip=, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, DATE_TZ_NA, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __REFERENCES, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __TO_IN_SUBJECT, __ANY_URI, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __FRAUD_CONTACT_NUM, ECARD_KNOWN_DOMAINS, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __C230066_P5, __STOCK_PHRASE_6, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __FORWARDED_MSG, BODY_SIZE_3000_3999, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_NXDOMAIN, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, TO_IN_SUBJECT, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, REFERENCES refid=str=0001.0A020205.5495B29E.015E,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-06-20 05:37:11, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: [TR] 10 spline diameters? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, no on spline. GT6 is 1"/10 spline. TR7 is 1"/23 spline. Ted On 12/20/2014 9:26 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > So is that the same spline as the TR7/TR8. 5 speed? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 20, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Jack Wheeler wrote: >> >> The stock input shaft diameter and splines on the TR-6 and GT-6 > transmissions >> are different.B When SCCA approved the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gearbox >> (about 1980) for use in the TR-4, the Dolomite gearbox had the same input >> shaft as the GT-6.B So, until I moved up to a Tilton clutch, I simply used > a >> GT-6 clutch plate with the TR-6 pressure plate.B I hope this helps. >> Jack Wheeler >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> From: Ted Schumacher >> To: Bud >> Cc: Triumph List ; FOT >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] 10 spline diameters? >> >> Bud, GT6 is 1" 10 spline. We did the TR6 trans conversion 40 years ago. We > can >> supply whatever you need - clutch, etc.B Please let me know if we can > help. >> Ted >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID >> >> Bud wrote: >> >>> Listerati, >>> >>> What is the diameter of a 10 spline input shaft on a GT6 transmission? Is > it >>> the exact same size as a 10 spline TR6 transmission? >>> >>> I'm thinking of mating a TR6 tranny to a Spitfire that already has a GT6 >>> tranny. Anyone done this? >>> >>> I heard that Kas adapted a TR6 to a Spit but haven't seen in any of his >> books >>> what is involved. Hope he see's this post and can provided the details. My >>> hope is that I'm half way there with a GT6 tranny already in place and can >> use >>> the existing clutch and flywheel. >>> >>> Also, any recommendations on companies that reline clutches? The existing >>> clutch is apparently a custom hybrid for a GT6 tran mated to a Spit. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bud >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx@bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. 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Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 20 16:34:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCB925844D6 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:34:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A3D2580930 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id va2so17128163obc.10 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:38:18 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=j3hytgzpGoqC6pBHvOTIiXH7ya1SsEOfTu4g2UZx+BA=; b=RKd4HuPAiiKFaRnJvPiSVlj33y44kWYmVZj5hwMraENv0bwClIBRHeR/tmMse8ORKm LkLZJBJclEkh0Pi+bIxBC6Aa1lNDumPmENlYaS/ocZ/KEBLRsSOcfvifigQr19VuULOR M4lLxCvsvyQMumZ4CqYLN9LGy8s9b6nUw8rwnSReRP/XETt5aRkD7/2JsApA+21r8FDc rYHCohy9JKOHO/Fa/nRahGefsgLtdqEJd1c0VM24XgDPdUmFZMDkNoBGYjYYNyN0lrKb hZL4eRgQPOWoi5GNFbw9CbJxCZaD7FfQtlzbJN4PQ2RjyQLtv27FsqjclCVkqY6SP/LY hJLg== hd4mr6519872obb.52.1419118697949; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.78.79 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:37:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Enquiries Road & Track" Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:37:57 +1000 To: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] re [TR] 10 spline diameters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net i have a close ratio 'dolomite sprint" type box in my GT6 racer you use the Dolomite sprint clutch slave bracket and arm/fork which fits with few mods all the factory (leyland ST) close ratio gear sets originally used the longer dolomite sprint input shaft with 10 x 1 spline, but over the years various vendors have made shorter input shafts and some with TR6 clutch splines. The longer Dolomoite Sprint input shaft from an original close ratio kit, is useless Terry O'Beirne _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 21 16:38:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301F525845EB for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:38:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACEC2580852 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:37:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id WPhF1p0022AWL2D01PhxF3; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:41:57 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-281v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.60]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id WPhx1p0011HvNzm01PhxVc; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:41:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:41:56 +0000 (UTC) From: 19to1tr6@comcast.net To: "team, FOT" (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: T5 conversion Thread-Index: c39NrPFe77esCd7z9I8LosY5ba1EPg== s=q20140121; t=1419205317; bh=Wn2R9eH1od7tDpEUpMb2ZlRc+bNXs/r7t0qyMpG45bQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Y5mUcy6qQmD0XNaz2+xT17IZ+yz+Hb0m46GhMqPEiv9CNqrDLrsE7OaXaBDRyA9WF LW0jd0GtZKBpYJ2Kghzq9GcKieNwRkanhvigrqbuoRF7eYrCleg7orySGQxqdK05iq ZYT1U7qsm8XkVULjyRifQyh99CWw9RYKDj5bXqOlGYbTCfeiUBoUHa1MyLLzIZ5Aw6 muoaWXgvtixRZWLOvOyivX1uXKiQbyJ+tehETwqdmjHH+6fsFTBZYKwIE9vdCApvO2 tiGP/Z6+1UFF9tir+kwrDaOI6ApOD+Mz0o/lXxXKSokIXrtu2s/j4VYkucQSgyE4T7 Z7h1chzcC1R+Q== Subject: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net hello I am consideringB making the T5 conversion and with so many different T5s B can anyone suggest the easiest one to work with. This is going into a TR6B B thanksB B Rob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 05:50:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FADE2584F09 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 05:50:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34342258049A for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 05:50:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sBMCsB28014224; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:54:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 07:54:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: 19to1tr6@comcast.net References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Cc: "team, FOT" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I'm not an expert on this, so I'm totally open to ither comments on the matter... My first comment would be that it's not clear that a T5 would give any benefit other than being an inexpensive replacement. For most T5 setups, the first gear is basically useless for road racing. Because of this, my first suggestion would be to skip the T5 and think more seriously about a T10. I'm suggesting this because you're more likely to find a good ratio mix in the 4-speed T10 and T10 knockoffs than with the T5 unless you want to not use first. Also, I know we're talking current E Prod SCCA gearboxes here. That means that you are limited to NON overdrive replacement trannies. Most of the ratio sets for the T5 that I've seen are 1:1, so that's working in your favor. That said, all the "successful" Triumph racing gears setups seem to be in the following range: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 2.20, 1.75, 1.25, 1 The Dolly Sprint setup is: 2.19, 1.57, 1.23, 1 In the T10 world, the T10 c/r sets are in the range: 2.20, 1.66, 1.31, 1 If you want a usable first gear for road racing, you need to be closer to 2.0:1, the Kastner first was 1.88:1 - 2.20 is a bit too much gear to be really usable in anything but the tightest corners... So, if you found a Muncie "Rock Crusher" aka M22 (I think), you'd be pretty close to ideal gears, although 2nd is a tad too low compared to that 1.57 dolly gear. If you want, I could chart out the RPM ranges for you. Now here's the thing: T10's are replicated in NEW gearboxes from everyone, but Summit Racing sells Richmond Gear T10 4-speeds for about $1800. If you have more $$$ to spend, then you cannot go wrong with a Jericho and the ratios that Kastner spec'd back in the day: 1.88, 1.42, 1.24 and 1 which I'm pretty sure is what Sam H runs in his boxes (plus or minus) - and he can chime in on that, if he wishes. The bottom line is that if you are looking for a junk-yard replacement, you have to make some compromises in the gearing. From my research - that's pretty much "toss first gear from the mix" if you road race. Note that wikipedia lists a lot of info on gear ratios for the B/W T5 and T56, you might be able to use that to zero in on a donor. Last - there's lots of info out there, but Summit Racing lists the gear ratios for all the different boxes they sell. They have a number of Richmond Gear T5 clones and they list the ratios - you may be able to use that info to zero in on a particular box. In the spirit of transparancy, I'm also looking at this conversion so I'll def. keep you posted on whatever I find. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 08:13:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413B625850F3 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p01c12o145.mxlogic.net (p01c12o145.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B07D25804C2 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO p01c12o145.mxlogic.net) by p01c12o145.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id 61638945.2b8cde409940.15804.00-550.41741.p01c12o145.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:17:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] by p01c12o145.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with SMTP id 0f538945.0.14987.00-328.40608.p01c12o145.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::dc8d:98d4:a80c:1957]) by ATLPEXCAS01.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:16:08 -0500 From: John Hasty To: "Robert M. Lang" , "19to1tr6@comcast.net" <19to1tr6@comcast.net> Thread-Topic: [Fot] T5 conversion Thread-Index: AQHQHeZh77esCd7z9I8LosY5ba1EPpybuFfQ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:16:08 +0000 References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.123.236] a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=BLc] a=e66q1VI] a=zOoktvdPAAAA:] a=brPEaq-DlZaXlAJm7joA] a=wPNLvfGTe] a=noQjv9YW-iYA:] Cc: "team, FOT" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are many rations available for the T5...I like 2.87 1.89 1.28 1.0 0 .75 also 2.42 1.53 1.23 1.00 .75. The last time I checked with SVRA a 5 speed is OK since we have 5 speeds with stock trans. + OD. John H. Hasty | MULLEN HOLLAND & COOPER P.A. Attorney at Law 301 South York Street (zip: 28052) P.O. Box 488 Gastonia, NC 28053-0488 Telephone: 704.864.6751 | Facsimile: 704.861.8394 JHasty@mhc-law.com | www.mhc-law.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:54 AM To: 19to1tr6@comcast.net Cc: team, FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Hi, I'm not an expert on this, so I'm totally open to ither comments on the matter... My first comment would be that it's not clear that a T5 would give any benefit other than being an inexpensive replacement. For most T5 setups, the first gear is basically useless for road racing. Because of this, my first suggestion would be to skip the T5 and think more seriously about a T10. I'm suggesting this because you're more likely to find a good ratio mix in the 4-speed T10 and T10 knockoffs than with the T5 unless you want to not use first. Also, I know we're talking current E Prod SCCA gearboxes here. That means that you are limited to NON overdrive replacement trannies. Most of the ratio sets for the T5 that I've seen are 1:1, so that's working in your favor. That said, all the "successful" Triumph racing gears setups seem to be in the following range: 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 2.20, 1.75, 1.25, 1 The Dolly Sprint setup is: 2.19, 1.57, 1.23, 1 In the T10 world, the T10 c/r sets are in the range: 2.20, 1.66, 1.31, 1 If you want a usable first gear for road racing, you need to be closer to 2.0:1, the Kastner first was 1.88:1 - 2.20 is a bit too much gear to be really usable in anything but the tightest corners... So, if you found a Muncie "Rock Crusher" aka M22 (I think), you'd be pretty close to ideal gears, although 2nd is a tad too low compared to that 1.57 dolly gear. If you want, I could chart out the RPM ranges for you. Now here's the thing: T10's are replicated in NEW gearboxes from everyone, but Summit Racing sells Richmond Gear T10 4-speeds for about $1800. If you have more $$$ to spend, then you cannot go wrong with a Jericho and the ratios that Kastner spec'd back in the day: 1.88, 1.42, 1.24 and 1 which I'm pretty sure is what Sam H runs in his boxes (plus or minus) - and he can chime in on that, if he wishes. The bottom line is that if you are looking for a junk-yard replacement, you have to make some compromises in the gearing. From my research - that's pretty much "toss first gear from the mix" if you road race. Note that wikipedia lists a lot of info on gear ratios for the B/W T5 and T56, you might be able to use that to zero in on a donor. Last - there's lots of info out there, but Summit Racing lists the gear ratios for all the different boxes they sell. They have a number of Richmond Gear T5 clones and they list the ratios - you may be able to use that info to zero in on a particular box. In the spirit of transparancy, I'm also looking at this conversion so I'll def. keep you posted on whatever I find. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 22 14:22:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CB92585351 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:22:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f46.google.com (mail-qa0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CF62584E9D for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:20:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id w8so3714886qac.5 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:24:14 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Jf2l0pCzqFvVESwtYMzZ2eVdO6Tw/wVlSqJGei/4ldg=; b=s5/I3Wos1LosYcCc8SBAx1+zhPYA5y/NEuXtCbuXnTu8IC3vId1lrh24tiyqbcTChJ 2lwtUKnNzjhXccmRTqfjTPbVBPaMQrQ8YFB80sB5vVIrrq27OoYdS416ZyVOVYBqjTfx D/B+ymER7NFSCiVuaGY9XpSTWwijOgSRyZJ5nNyo3SbhfxTkQs4OvCrwmDyXu9U+5Qhy iGxxzeJArEVxg9NygAPIiGG7JRZI8Le5nXyPC0bKFepVLbf3i1VX92z8pJJxWNP08b3X Lf/uyVzhmQBt9pmgTvs8YzlU3SERygH5i0yI8n6OStgKVnjh7AIaDRvJr2Vwmwtm/+ji +12w== 99mr37966651qgf.52.1419283454701; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:b:3180:308:fc24:541e:4404:e868? ([2601:b:3180:308:fc24:541e:4404:e868]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b13sm6476289qaw.31.2014.12.22.13.24.12 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:24:11 -0500 References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> To: "Robert M. Lang" Cc: "team, FOT" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Who makes a bell housing adaptor? Does the crank have to modified for the input shaft bushing? I assume (uh oh) that clutch/PP can be adapted to the wet sleeve crank? My curiosity has been piqued. Jim Fat-thumbed from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:54 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm not an expert on this, so I'm totally open to ither comments on the matter... > > My first comment would be that it's not clear that a T5 would give any benefit other than being an inexpensive replacement. For most T5 setups, the first gear is basically useless for road racing. Because of this, my first suggestion would be to skip the T5 and think more seriously about a T10. I'm suggesting this because you're more likely to find a good ratio mix in the 4-speed T10 and T10 knockoffs than with the T5 unless you want to not use first. > > Also, I know we're talking current E Prod SCCA gearboxes here. That means that you are limited to NON overdrive replacement trannies. Most of the ratio sets for the T5 that I've seen are 1:1, so that's working in your favor. > > That said, all the "successful" Triumph racing gears setups seem to be in the following range: > > 1st 2nd 3rd 4th > 2.20, 1.75, 1.25, 1 > > The Dolly Sprint setup is: > 2.19, 1.57, 1.23, 1 > > In the T10 world, the T10 c/r sets are in the range: > 2.20, 1.66, 1.31, 1 > > If you want a usable first gear for road racing, you need to be closer to 2.0:1, the Kastner first was 1.88:1 - 2.20 is a bit too much gear to be really usable in anything but the tightest corners... > > So, if you found a Muncie "Rock Crusher" aka M22 (I think), you'd be pretty close to ideal gears, although 2nd is a tad too low compared to that 1.57 dolly gear. If you want, I could chart out the RPM ranges for you. > > Now here's the thing: T10's are replicated in NEW gearboxes from everyone, but Summit Racing sells Richmond Gear T10 4-speeds for about $1800. If you have more $$$ to spend, then you cannot go wrong with a Jericho and the ratios that Kastner spec'd back in the day: 1.88, 1.42, 1.24 and 1 which I'm pretty sure is what Sam H runs in his boxes (plus or minus) - and he can chime in on that, if he wishes. > > The bottom line is that if you are looking for a junk-yard replacement, you have to make some compromises in the gearing. From my research - that's pretty much "toss first gear from the mix" if you road race. > > Note that wikipedia lists a lot of info on gear ratios for the B/W T5 and T56, you might be able to use that to zero in on a donor. > > Last - there's lots of info out there, but Summit Racing lists the gear ratios for all the different boxes they sell. They have a number of Richmond Gear T5 clones and they list the ratios - you may be able to use that info to zero in on a particular box. > > In the spirit of transparancy, I'm also looking at this conversion so I'll def. keep you posted on whatever I find. > > Regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 06:26:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560702584703 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:26:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA04F2580A68 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com [172.26.50.175]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 334C970441174; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mtd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.209]) by mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0709C38000081; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: SpiwakD@aol.com Full-name: SpiwakD Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:30:19 -0500 To: fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1419341420; bh=pIruvRcSBIf6XShGnARspNXCv0yxIGzT5F8Z3y2ecHU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WTGyjq0vwI7b3fxCRyqeGNTScsdNRxA6JPVA5JCpcGG88PukWIbnIEwc3+mA4r6P/ dreDk0guqfvgaV9gAEixjtZ2r/HVH2uMnleuDS2G1/JSUWApdKlzjuJQZ3ArKocAwZ n8ymm3y1s4+fV13eOwVgFRTIrYBb5VDSd5BWe7o0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32af54996e6c2c66 Cc: rikrock@aol.com Subject: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 07:56:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100FF2584EF1 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:56:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4057C2580965 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sBNF0Jll019926; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:00:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:00:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "J.C. Hassall" References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <43EB2F68-ACD8-4092-A2A5-5D2F0E950969@gmail.com> Cc: "team, FOT" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, As far as I know, there is no crank mods needed for the T5 conversion. It looks like they supply an alternate pilot bushing for the kit. You can read the installation instructions at: www.dupontmachining.com The neat thing about the T5 conversions is that the shifter location is aligned with the center of the case, so with the adapter included in the kit, you can locate the shift nob to very near the "proper" location of the stock shifter. The "bad" thing is that a lot of the gear ratios are too production-like and therefore probably not suitable for a race car. There are aftermarket T5's with different gear ratios, though and some of these would be suitable for racing. But, despite what SVRA allows, SCCA (where Rob runs, mostly) does NOT allow overdrive on alternate transmissions for the TR6 (and the TR3 and 4, for that matter). Tranny output must be 1:1 except for cars with the stock Laycock overdrive. So, there are options out there, but for racing use and for strict legality, the options are a bit more limited. For a high HP TR6, a 4-speed, close ratio box with a 3.70 or 3.45 rear end is probably the place where you want to be or with a 4.10 for hillclims and short tracks. Just sayin. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 08:31:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38D42585C34 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:31:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95262585628 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:15:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id sBNFJgxF020011; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:19:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:19:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "J.C. Hassall" References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <43EB2F68-ACD8-4092-A2A5-5D2F0E950969@gmail.com> Cc: "team, FOT" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Last point for now, then I'll shut up. If you look at the list of T5 ID numbers here: http://www.britishv8.org/articles/borg-warner-t5-id-tags.htm you'll see that there are lots of different ratios out there. If you limit to reasonable choices you'll see that the jump from 2nd to third is pretty large, hence my suggestion that they aren't ideal for racing. But you can limit your choices another way - stay away from the O/D 5th that's more than about .8 (for example, the .63 ratio 5th for the 84 Mustang / Capri V8 is totally unsuitable for a Triumph) Again, just IMHO. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 08:38:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747B32585F6E for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:38:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A7D72585E5B for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:34:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1803 invoked by uid 0); 23 Dec 2014 15:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2014 15:38:37 -0000 Received: from box609.bluehost.com ([70.40.220.109]) by CMOut01 with id X3eU1p00p2ND4fa013eX64; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:38:37 -0700 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:117 a=lIFjRvzYbs2a9zjsf5t3KA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=NG0IswC7AAAA:8 a=OClWVmo2AGkA:10 a=0gXf9ufkx6IA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=2oeSqxxVzlsA:10 a=-bbqpmgeceSAQ1v09w8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=hlOwjD9NYhmk61ml-jcA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 d=klaenv.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=/Nfp+0sXiVcYTaTLYiuPcBTnXOGhvo1n2bBcrmU3p4U=; b=DUtJ2mlj2ubAqAcXtNdOpZe2UlhhTp/F/XpQdgZtQkeesHZ6iwJ4iwENRFLV8mP3943VHZU9jE4YAbWG2I80o6n/pU/6fBNlBp4J21BHl3HefQUtCoP5MmaIUhfGC6NJ; Received: from [208.17.77.136] (port=52931 helo=4ZQFXQ1KENPC) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3RXY-0000W5-3G for fot@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:38:28 -0700 From: "Kenneth Knight" To: "FOT" Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:38:20 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAexcMRPzp5I13mTxGjM8O6lu9RyA== Content-Language: en-us {sentby:smtp auth 208.17.77.136 authed with kknight@klaenv.com} Subject: [Fot] TR Bellhousing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning: There has been a good deal of interest in using alternative gearboxes for racing. The big problem has been finding a bellhousing to use as an adaptor to the new gearbox of choice. I have a chance to get at least 10 bellhousings for TR's (will mount to TR-3/4, TR-250/6), more if there is a need, that would fit the engine yet be undrilled (face milled flat) at the mounting flange for the transmission. These are all US made aluminum castings of very high quality and they should be ready to ship in February of 2015. We are working to get final machining prices but anticipate a cost of $400.00 + shipping. A note. This is a DIY (you and a good machinist) project that is going to take some engineering to adapt your transmission of choice. It has been done and is being raced, but it is not as easy as drilling the mounting holes on a home drill press. You will need access to a milling machine and someone who knows how to set up the project. I am starting list so send me an email. I need to have a final count to see if this is feasible by January 1. Cheers to All, Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas! Ken 3DR _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 09:14:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A092586D5A for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:14:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [69.89.25.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75ED625851A4 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20551 invoked by uid 0); 23 Dec 2014 16:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2014 16:13:36 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id X4DY1p0171NzpT9014Db1N; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:13:36 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=jugU3Jnmrp9TIQfnzRgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=54263 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3S5U-0003JW-Jj; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:13:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:13:27 -0600 To: SpiwakD@aol.com,fot@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: rikrock@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Crack between the two water passages between 2 and 3 is common and can be ignored. It's not a sealing surface. Cheers, Tony Drews At 07:30 AM 12/23/2014, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: >I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 >cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 15:28:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE13F2587BE1 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:28:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S43.hotmail.com (unknown [65.54.61.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F76E2585DCE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:47:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT404-EAS341 ([65.55.90.71]) by SNT004-OMC2S43.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:51:36 -0800 From: Rich Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:51:51 -0500 To: "fot@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[9FA19B10:01D01EFA] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is not the "usual" situation. There are two cracks which have grown to the point they are on the edge of the sealing area. I can send a picture... Rich Rock ________________________________ From: Tony Drews Sent: 12/23/2014 11:44 AM To: SpiwakD@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net Cc: rikrock@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Crack between the two water passages between 2 and 3 is common and can be ignored. It's not a sealing surface. Cheers, Tony Drews At 07:30 AM 12/23/2014, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: >I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 >cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 19:09:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FCE2585EEE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:09:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB86F2580980 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id x69so16057408oia.9 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:12:23 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nXrysPkeivplxD470RKHlMmdha2IAH8zNOFoWFstNj0=; b=Q/mlRM3xOHmIGumtrVsNjoUWwqKMeotrfKJ2D5esmwteLUUDbjlBXd8bwMmmbQLdyV vBSqRylFTt5Wft8JeFDY+oEftQn1LHCYNjRwaS4V0YhCyuQIY4DKcaJwEg0e5k+Uv68W rloqTBkAyNLvctFnRCCv/4pToxsr9Ep1iPVhfNCwvTwPEiOyDDak92piQmjbP7ncDeCT MGselS/9JihihEgIFeWGQsPiebcIx9aGc/HzYMWn9l3UsdUzfYyWWei4bCZ2awOg9KWw 3Knhj4OT6ZjnnrJ5gYKD+VP9iWff4r+KnpX/eENTZS5cg/Vj0i/TEW0aGW5D69ZrVTq0 QJTQ== i129mr17238197oif.68.1419387143407; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit-2.local (24-121-63-143.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.63.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e3sm11313463oib.27.2014.12.23.18.12.22 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:12:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:12:20 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/23/14 2:51 PM, Rich wrote: > This is not the "usual" situation. There are two cracks which have grown to > the point they are on the edge of the sealing area. > You can always see if they can pin the head for you. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 23 21:37:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C186325879AD for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:37:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f177.google.com (mail-ig0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBA2258780C for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:26:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id z20so6489920igj.16 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:30:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=htMqk0ojv0vzP/fMLc52ER8J77EYdFygQ/vCuuks5iw=; b=xstuAv1Jzz8+Gb0LjGE1ReNE3/aabw/PG6UhYZOLY7cgDFiwdWpBuKA4AJDZnOBCq5 oIr8ZKqcbVXc2WAr4i4p632jUj7SceymN7c5+q5QhTYbqzr3o8hqjQ7/FJCmVPIXfs11 ErnBk7Ogf7noEFeAb4u71kt10iNNEKurmoZIHiZSQgaTT4yGdNsktZPGmLES7sfCzoYO ML397iFRRd1k2nLZcyJbWG8CoBnO24kX6OhqzEjs97ukF+LMoIVJsrd6+DxQb/CvL35M R+sG+bdBLSX5PKbLMCdRZcrBCAkLiokFSdZm8DIbfbefM78s9QyS8mc/N+Tm2HE3jJnb KKwA== q81mr28102428ioi.62.1419395433562; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.183.197 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:30:33 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:30:33 -0500 From: John Styduhar To: Rich Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rich, how much did you have the head milled down? On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Rich wrote: > This is not the "usual" situation. There are two cracks which have grown > to > the point they are on the edge of the sealing area. > > I can send a picture... > > Rich Rock > ________________________________ > From: Tony Drews > Sent: 12/23/2014 11:44 AM > To: SpiwakD@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net > Cc: rikrock@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > Crack between the two water passages between 2 and 3 is common and > can be ignored. It's not a sealing surface. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > At 07:30 AM 12/23/2014, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > >I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 > >cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 04:07:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9AC2584C28 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:07:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from baptiste.telenet-ops.be (baptiste.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EF0258080E for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:06:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from GebruikerPC ([IPv6:2a02:1812:a8c:4300:489b:68e3:2855:d999]) by baptiste.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id XPAi1p00E2ioDuC01PAlGJ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:10:45 +0100 From: "Marcel Van Mulders" To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:10:35 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAetKl5vvIW1NGWQFu4IixAwQIKugAtD9Qw Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe the cracks will not grow further because the sealing area is at the combustion chamber wall? If you assemble the engine you will see white exhaust smoke when the cracks are growing into the combustion chamber. Repairing would mean : welding the crack after heating the head (6000C?), without guarantee of success. Marcel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens SpiwakD@aol.com Verzonden: dinsdag 23 december 2014 14:30 Aan: fot@autox.team.net CC: rikrock@aol.com Onderwerp: [Fot] TR head cracks I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 04:45:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77742584ED7 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:45:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (unknown [82.132.130.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70A825844D9 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:24:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.6.198.103] (82.132.218.244) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.140.03) id 54994E07008EC669; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:28:16 +0000 References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> From: TR4 Tony Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:28:13 +0000 To: Marcel Van Mulders Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All Have we not got a head that's getting to the point that it's not worth a repair - new cast iron heads are available and very good indeed. Used heads are still around. I'd be loathe to throw the same amount of money at a marginal head that I would at sorting a good used one or indeed twice that for a new one. Most of the repair techniques will deal with small issues but this sounds like it's significant, even in this location which normally isn't such a big deal. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Dec 2014, at 11:10, "Marcel Van Mulders" wrote: > > Maybe the cracks will not grow further because the sealing area is at the > combustion chamber wall? If you assemble the engine you will see white > exhaust smoke when the cracks are growing into the combustion chamber. > Repairing would mean : welding the crack after heating the head (6000C?), > without guarantee of success. > Marcel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens SpiwakD@aol.com > Verzonden: dinsdag 23 december 2014 14:30 > Aan: fot@autox.team.net > CC: rikrock@aol.com > Onderwerp: [Fot] TR head cracks > > I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 > cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 04:53:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61092585518 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:53:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083712580969 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so13376248wiv.17 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 03:53:27 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=UXq0/sapt8pTgD6fGCm8O2XpQ+LrHC/b/OIFWv8kpbE=; b=q7Czhds2DknhrZfcDkjus5lkeo7SUM09vMZR78hHU9OFmvKpcTwnn1hvD471IZ7JGT XGNWdO5N5N2gsivHt+gB3+hsSDS5bGrDBm8OaN784TU30DHQC8uyZ8zBurxdUBg3yjeu Nj03xtL9Xn1f08j6FKaoMXpE4Sxl7VBMpda/RSWqrTqjixxWDGZHH6Z34pp/qu1gte6O QT99pQrObWgWuiKabfF7ExW7IdTOxqVRuHb/zfL8fFmpdcGR3A4On7+gKkOaXNJOZsPC GQTywoE4Ka7xq+Fu2esWvBuY0Y9GBWhaXrEQhRwbBMFYLohQKBI67Yac6RQFAMmUubBM 0lCQ== e3mr6638323wjw.44.1419422007334; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 03:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([2.162.172.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h2sm20937758wix.5.2014.12.24.03.53.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 03:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:53:24 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAfJu9vT3hFG5nxTY6KQfpzCmTGrAASRl6g Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with silver solder. Seems to work fine with a good success rate. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 10:04:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4E4258599A for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:04:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com (mail-ig0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA0A25809D6 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:01:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hl2so7213054igb.17 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:05:10 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tehcg+AH6AKJ67ok84Z5dj3WmNFb7TitBqJAm+P33WQ=; b=WhhMONaJL3KS36I4/qnvRbSrvEum30HReN29w7ILDxwQFEPSE4krb0GV7RTmLmMF2n mPnOqjDs1VRy/ZnlSADsNJr7xPhB4UzyMMC2YAI2sunVUeP7/f1Ud/yD/rH0jVaeSPrP ddlf4JYx0I5mTCOO6cI5/AdJnXeFVwvyOOKzjXPAXcWtvfqJGMtt3QFZ2mxMJogXmXyO 1mKzylbHrjTLMDKvGoDaQzm/v5xNa4/RSnat1+f7+WoWqOAdjVYIkcHszBkuNl7o1Oqc 4NRyCUB4+3cQCaRIDRkUfYgSxsTHPbj4rtfMmUF/b+56HwXKg1YNK6VFcc6htdwQ1oWp 2PoQ== jf1mr26827316igb.29.1419440709918; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.183.197 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:05:09 -0800 (PST) References: <205C3DBD-DD81-4DC3-8689-954E62F72D51@mhc-law.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:05:09 -0500 From: John Styduhar To: John Hasty , "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks about Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You all may want to consider contacting Scott Harper, the owner of Team Triumph in Warren, OH. Scott specializes in British car recycling and has bare cylinder heads at a reasonable price, many of which have been cleaned and maged. Scott's number is 330-392-7176. Scott usually takes off between Xmas and New Years so a call today would be advised if you need to make quick contact. Have a great Xmas. On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:20 AM, John Hasty wrote: > John....give him the name of the guy you told us about who has heads > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:10 AM, "John Styduhar" > wrote: > > > > Rich, how much did you have the head milled down? > > > >> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Rich wrote: > >> > >> This is not the "usual" situation. There are two cracks which have > grown > >> to > >> the point they are on the edge of the sealing area. > >> > >> I can send a picture... > >> > >> Rich Rock > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Tony Drews > >> Sent: 12/23/2014 11:44 AM > >> To: SpiwakD@aol.com; fot@autox.team.net > >> Cc: rikrock@aol.com > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > >> > >> Crack between the two water passages between 2 and 3 is common and > >> can be ignored. It's not a sealing surface. > >> > >> Cheers, Tony Drews > >> > >> At 07:30 AM 12/23/2014, SpiwakD@aol.com wrote: > >>> I need advice on repairing some cracks on a TR4 head between #2 and 3 > >>> cylinders. Is it common and is it a real concern? Can it be repaired? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot@autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 10:28:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7432F2585177 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:28:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [69.89.25.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FF1D258081D for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29277 invoked by uid 0); 24 Dec 2014 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2014 17:28:03 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id XVTz1p00D1NzpT901VU2ru; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:28:03 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=vMvCflnOSPkWcizgKizuPA==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=ojRePYIazggA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=tUHwgfkBJ2nedMbXs08A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [173.31.224.109] (port=61386 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3pj5-0004Cr-10 for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:27:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:27:56 -0600 To: From: Tony Drews References: <001a01d01f70$39eb6230$adc22690$@com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.224.109 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and probably #3. I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation and silver solder to seal it back up. I'll have to remember that one! When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of threaded plugs run through the crack. That's the only other fix that comes to mind. Cheers, Tony Drews At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: >You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with >silver solder. >Seems to work fine with a good success rate. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 11:08:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2312585C1C for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:08:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45D6258570E for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:00:04 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1419444241; bh=UXQ0Lrx2izq7AjCf2IRBaM5EQRODaab7Y0LEE1dXbSs=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From:Subject; b=MryxMf52ACj9ByWLbBPzAIkASjTGE8PkunqQThhEKYOwfILqsW/l5Ym7LHRVhoVt2ySoZ7W7hSCC8xjNw16e6+QZg8EggPzutFbfVDlcO/XlFQUjutzLA6WUVgTzmT9b8aLC025N1xcNu2+w+JfhSYd8z8qJCVKn7h9sXSj4SnbGlyTsaWw5MSabXlTNwy6uQCQLZHUZmp2qZrFFjOUkL6SH9dNTSAD5L9odVQ/z9aQt7xsfKBv/TeLuLQTYQb9Z+C2/IVCsxB/UElaps4fSJzT3MOUo3580dnIjyW04M570goLyiNBYTu0ltyOASiBOKHrB59VDcG1lM2rHb1jfJg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=sbcglobal.net; b=gx8PCIIxWHOZOInXmAgKVnlIlzkXCwpUv82STI3tp550dX9rc0SkiVULNkP/cao2F0CE3xRbwd86wUxSStYxaWB/yac41jvBorq7ddF4GVveyhdszsPp/tNr91H0gXoZnl6L62AdnKbcqBPGs//SBHyauO7t5D1obU/e1EOr1OzrhaICxxgbH1VwQTeCT9Yd4oqkFW5bG4qUf7Rh/mCqltmwgRI2rugaGgyf/OfF+S0W6TDKFDWITmDQQVBFYDh/2jjlO408N3diP1tgpxQJtoh6Glw1/R4dT8EmsEzMOoZ3pBENA0zRaVkePWBubmQ/cifgyOO0K6cF+WlBnG4LWQ==; Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2014 18:04:01 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.116] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2014 18:04:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp225.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2014 18:04:01 -0000 OW9GewoMAUdz2n1zs2DqKcBJDIb0zrnIp0RQqp23nL8FGxD7jrCYEAylt2hn bDv5hgPF6Z1t9mgdgFYjrYDtDy1IouWOG2Z5QjF3P2N2el1m6XhmKepSQFhS ix2iSGx8f25daoy6jJ.trVHr4dONmpmbm_i09E5u71xvb0_yyYvhPDE2cG99 dYOP0JVC7q8SpxSKY9FwqEulTVXkUahKbz8lPeHBcG0UL9iHDMkZApohhoyo XOMI4G7uXxjmpAW5WjAuc6FGbbkyLaxC2WUzenK9HUoNiHtgoix6DWwY6hJC dydKOYKitoj3kPlm.eJ4cDAO7VV0bygArnrkGdTHiIxiqYAdWvEQ0XJwFBOs PSyjM1WanOnd8FOTg06a_ivo0ION9XZ58DSwR9dru3Ve_Bo29fRsAaTpb2aU PQ3oFJiJZEYbr45XaJNPLtyh5pGjf1eiSs9aNaHyggQi06rBLyGngQOS86r9 EM0HVOz51oRtV09_ru4FG1zJKKWKYmkPjG8F_l0w4Fjd8krfbWhPsu53F.iu 6eCW95d2WRGMoERaMoAlDiobLYBka_ygwiloqJI.jKvKDxOT1ag-- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:52 -0500 From: Doug Mitchell To: Tony Drews , Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net You might check into an old-school technique of cold stitching. Not sure if it works on a head, but have seen it done on blocks. Not cheap and intensive work, but it can recover a block. Doug dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my mobile phone -------- Original message -------- From: Tony Drews Date: 12/24/2014 12:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and probably #3.B I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation and silver solder to seal it back up.B I'll have to remember that one! When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of threaded plugs run through the crack.B That's the only other fix that comes to mind. Cheers, Tony Drews At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: >You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with >silver solder. >Seems to work fine with a good success rate. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 11:37:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14F025862B2 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:37:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail03.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C2B402585300 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:32:41 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1419446192; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=mmA+tdCwLWm8OMACI7jAYUa21QAHY1WYlZ6c+UB7taJfjY8675vpZ7B2s99Edetgq NZB8XYvuuMji433JEkDw5RCjvl1tA9d32BiNAPGWwXBrWQCUMi5MkOLtyWvyVLKux2 j+uljOSitIzm7dWep+j3bOfc4Dik4/8O3+KssBpw= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABLKYB53AVB5W9J for (sender ); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [76.23.185.62] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:34:34 GMT From: "Joe Boruch" Full-Name: "Joe Boruch" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:34:34 GMT To: 19to1tr6@comcast.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Rob, I think it will depend on whose conversion kit that you use. There are differences with input shaft lengths. I made my own conversion and used a T5 from a 1995 6 cylinder mustang, which has a longer input shaft than the V8s. I use a Tilton clutch and use clutch discs to match the spline. I also changed the 5th gear to be a closer ratio, since the stock ones are made for highway cruising. Joe ---------- Original Message ---------- From: 19to1tr6@comcast.net To: "team, FOT" Subject: [Fot] T5 conversion Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:41:56 +0000 (UTC) hello I am consideringB making the T5 conversion and with so many different T5s B can anyone suggest the easiest one to work with. This is going into a TR6B B thanksB B Rob ____________________________________________________________ Apple's Crazy New Gizmo Forget the iPhone 6. Next hit Apple product leaked. 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Lang" , "FOT@autox.team.net" References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <43EB2F68-ACD8-4092-A2A5-5D2F0E950969@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net It should be mentioned that some groups don't allow a 5-speed (e.g. CVAR). The jump from 2nd to 3rd is one reason I switched from a 3.7 close ratio to a 4.55 close ratio with overdrive. With the later setup 3rd replaces 2nd, 4th replace 3rd and 4th-OD replaces 4th. The jumps in the top three gears are about 20 percent. It seems that with most of the tracks I ran on, I needed 2 gears for most of the track with perhaps a higher gear needed on the longest straight or a lower gear in the tightest corner. I remember one time when I lost a throw out bearing at Hallett. I lost only about a second using just 3rd and 3rd OD. I know an overdrive is "old school", but you get some good ratios and the satisfaction of knowing you a truly vintage. I seldom had trouble with mine. - Larry On 12/23/2014 9:19 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > Last point for now, then I'll shut up. If you look at the list of T5 > ID numbers here: > > http://www.britishv8.org/articles/borg-warner-t5-id-tags.htm > > you'll see that there are lots of different ratios out there. If you > limit to reasonable choices you'll see that the jump from 2nd to third > is pretty large, hence my suggestion that they aren't ideal for > racing. But you can limit your choices another way - stay away from > the O/D 5th that's more than about .8 (for example, the .63 ratio 5th > for the 84 Mustang / Capri V8 is totally unsuitable for a Triumph) > > Again, just IMHO. > > Regards, > rml _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 13:22:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287C025857F5 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:22:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC2S9.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s9.hotmail.com [65.54.190.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B91C2585615 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY179-W34 ([65.54.190.123]) by BAY004-OMC2S9.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:23:01 -0800 From: michael To: Doug Mitchell , Tony Drews , "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:23:00 -0500 References: FILETIME=[083A4A00:01D01FAF] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago, I remember taking a TR3 head to a place in Long Island City, New York called Cool Weld. Using a process called "cold welding" they patched a combustion chamber. This wasn't a crack, it was a hole but it worked on cracks as well. That was my back-up head and it worked fine for several races and also for the guy who bought the car. Mike Cook > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:52 -0500 > From: dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > To: tony@tonydrews.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > You might check into an old-school technique of cold stitching. Not sure if it works on a head, but have seen it done on blocks. Not cheap and intensive work, but it can recover a block. > > > Doug > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > Sent from my mobile phone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tony Drews > Date: 12/24/2014 12:27 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if > it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and > probably #3.B I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation > and silver solder to seal it back up.B I'll have to remember that one! > > When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't > repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of > threaded plugs run through the crack.B That's the only other fix that > comes to mind. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: > >You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with > >silver solder. > >Seems to work fine with a good success rate. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 13:23:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8CE2585C4C for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:23:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (unknown [64.255.237.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831322585D72 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (static-72-67-118-198.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.67.118.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF9F638EF8; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:51:47 -0800 (PST) References: From: "J. Wagner" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:51:46 -0800 To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The topic intrigued me, so I did some googling. Seems there's a lot of ideas out there. This one seemed good. (I have no experience with them...knock on wood.) --Justin Cast Iron Crack repair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq0wfU4ZaKk&sns=em http://www.locknstitch.com/metal_stitching.htm > On Dec 24, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > > You might check into an old-school technique of cold stitching. Not sure if it works on a head, but have seen it done on blocks. Not cheap and intensive work, but it can recover a block. > > > Doug > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > Sent from my mobile phone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tony Drews > Date: 12/24/2014 12:27 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if > it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and > probably #3.B I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation > and silver solder to seal it back up.B I'll have to remember that one! > > When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't > repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of > threaded plugs run through the crack.B That's the only other fix that > comes to mind. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: >> You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with >> silver solder. >> Seems to work fine with a good success rate. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner@greenheart.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 14:24:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C607825855D2 for ; 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Mike MehlB B From: Tony Drews To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and probably #3.B I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation and silver solder to seal it back up.B I'll have to remember that one! When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of threaded plugs run through the crack.B That's the only other fix that comes to mind. Cheers, Tony Drews At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: >You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with >silver solder. >Seems to work fine with a good success rate. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 15:07:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D410D25854D2 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:07:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ADE25851CF for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:57:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n12so12076719wgh.20 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:01:35 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=qt8of1ZvOWl/frOR/irLZUtavxYv7zOlR2vh62dYbKg=; b=oK3Yca1sgaP0j6QvoDMZ59TwSXeT7vdxwrDAv7PpM23ucA2e0hboJ24QLCkYr+eAER xMY9OCUBplNLqhGzLe6ZsPFredJ/b2gLE/XO3w9U3gsRsrbDFWwZRd6o6tB0Q+pE+2LE JWyfaJ5zVn4ODjoCjP/SeiLLB7e1iJPUzCppW8mANO07M8tzObkUtaqGs15p6sFiZzKy tY5YPcLlwlyM1ihBCoSc7Rq6tdvDEOrAvc/PUE/Q0qYs0P52qqSsjMXsqSlzp80Yilv5 fn5tZAWZxcxdvbCa5mitfafu9ZFieHJXrTDZgYmmzBuH3MHlPHwSxhAwoYwiNRyJS7r7 dUHA== ws4mr68264737wjc.1.1419458495512; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([2.163.149.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm33043980wjx.9.2014.12.24.14.01.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 23:01:33 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAfifSx1BizqE2/S1SO86l1pocuFQAOvJzA Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ah, seen the cracks. These are on the edge of being too late for rescue. The only thing which might cure is staking the head as Kas Kastner shown in his books and to put one screw just on the end of this crack. But getting a new head is okay too. Cheers Chris Von: Rich [mailto:rikrock@live.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Dezember 2014 15:58 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR head cracks Chris, Wasn't sure if you had seen the cracks... Rich _____ From: MadMarx Sent: 12/24/2014 6:58 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with silver solder. Seems to work fine with a good success rate. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 16:30:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B53A258525F for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:30:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7DB2580B1A for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:19:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.27.168.249] ([98.27.168.249:50450] helo=VlackTK121647) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 23/E3-25955-5FA4B945; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 23:23:34 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:23:42 -0500 a=/SXGE5kDesdBB+LWuquHZQ==:117 a=/SXGE5kDesdBB+LWuquHZQ==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=pMoQDqxjx2UeIZUnGqMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=btykyvg2JY0A:10 a=iAN9EjxCCg0A:10 a=epzsJZz6YX8A:10 a=ioPytSgeJbYA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=VjSkmkW3o4gA:10 a=UF909vspFEgA:10 a=UBz-Jv_xNXcA:10 Subject: [Fot] Wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm looking for a TR3, 4 or 4A narrow belt crank pulley for a project that Ibm working on. Damaged is OK as itbs just being used for a mock up. Anyone have one theybd be willing to dispose of? Jerry Van Vlack _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 17:15:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271E22585DC1 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:15:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o141.mxlogic.net (unknown [208.65.145.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3216E25806C8 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO ATLPEXCAS02.xc.lan) by p02c12o141.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id 4c75b945.2b4569401940.15381.00-598.34241.p02c12o141.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:18:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO ATLPEXCAS02.xc.lan) by p02c12o141.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id aa75b945.0.15377.00-384.34168.p02c12o141.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:17:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::dc8d:98d4:a80c:1957]) by ATLPEXCAS02.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 19:17:14 -0500 From: John Hasty To: Larry Young Thread-Topic: [Fot] T5 conversion Thread-Index: AQHQH6zsV6RQdJPnT62hmbRyoG/r7ZyfcOot Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 00:17:13 +0000 References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <43EB2F68-ACD8-4092-A2A5-5D2F0E950969@gmail.com> , <549B0F0C.3030308@pobox.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=mfbrCa-fAAAA:8] a=Vvz4s5HzVxXfIIAWahAA:] Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Neat! I agree having run Larry's car for 4 years now, but not being able to find syncros that work are costing me at least a second or two a lap. This makes a T5 really appealing Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:34 PM, "Larry Young" wrote: > > It should be mentioned that some groups don't allow a 5-speed (e.g. CVAR). The jump from 2nd to 3rd is one reason I switched from a 3.7 close ratio to a 4.55 close ratio with overdrive. With the later setup 3rd replaces 2nd, 4th replace 3rd and 4th-OD replaces 4th. The jumps in the top three gears are about 20 percent. It seems that with most of the tracks I ran on, I needed 2 gears for most of the track with perhaps a higher gear needed on the longest straight or a lower gear in the tightest corner. I remember one time when I lost a throw out bearing at Hallett. I lost only about a second using just 3rd and 3rd OD. I know an overdrive is "old school", but you get some good ratios and the satisfaction of knowing you a truly vintage. I seldom had trouble with mine. > - Larry > >> On 12/23/2014 9:19 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Last point for now, then I'll shut up. If you look at the list of T5 ID numbers here: >> >> http://www.britishv8.org/articles/borg-warner-t5-id-tags.htm >> >> you'll see that there are lots of different ratios out there. If you limit to reasonable choices you'll see that the jump from 2nd to third is pretty large, hence my suggestion that they aren't ideal for racing. But you can limit your choices another way - stay away from the O/D 5th that's more than about .8 (for example, the .63 ratio 5th for the 84 Mustang / Capri V8 is totally unsuitable for a Triumph) >> >> Again, just IMHO. >> >> Regards, >> rml > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 18:49:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C89F2585997 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:49:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B0B258511F for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 18:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com [172.26.223.208]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7A319700000B8; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-ada09f.mail.aol.com (core-ada09.mail.aol.com [172.27.0.9]) by mtaomg-mcd02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 22A9538000081; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:35:16 -0500 (EST) References: <4610BCD68E5D4288B3ADB4CD66F637AA@VlackTK121647> To: jerryvv@roadrunner.com, fot@autox.team.net From: Bruce Lapierre Received: from 50.96.136.130 by webmail-vd006.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.123) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:35:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:35:16 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1419471316; bh=GlLUkU2E/8SwQHMXE/dITjIcx6L5xnFvk4WAzFAaiEU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QMLvXPlT6vO0tQW/VVN71rtT2Zt1IR7Yrq9IdZbtHsXIRIXslK5wo+ZFNIo4/kS4i LXMGw65xOOL81vnwUyVe44Ujk3e6jpzRmu5ESsU4xfiC2EgtCF+O37KFLDi7WIMWrU sNf6jLD//L1AIZAj3eVT8W/o5Eym2R1rPdisvaLY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adfd0549b69d4773c Subject: Re: [Fot] Wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Try Scott Harper - Team Triumph. I had a few but sent them to Mike with #46 Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 7:12 pm Subject: [Fot] Wanted Ibm looking for a TR3, 4 or 4A narrow belt crank pulley for a project that Ibm working on. Damaged is OK as itbs just being used for a mock up. Anyone have one theybd be willing to dispose of? Jerry Van Vlack _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttr4@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 21:20:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6142258011C for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:20:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80862580053 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:14:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.234]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id XgJM1p00253iAfU01gJSGz; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:18:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id XgJR1p00B3eKESF01gJSXd; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:18:26 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:18:24 -0700 References: <549B2AC7.1070005@porterscustom.com> To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" , fot , "healeys@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1419481106; bh=71S5XPevzzquX/FLI+vIiv1HC9u1u593q6wf1jauXEI=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=beFrTKLH5YPp1NGnsZUBiYDeAS/2/cviWrdknJwe+MHk8cfzZciLZl3qBaV3DjBje QY0xjFAbly1nE3ODJfoDltAJ6Pte+FoFCetP/lx0KE/cJxXEzRWpkw62CeUql2zaIO wOuo6bjxWm4GZ0f0PznXVRQvQK6+aBStMfRRr9fPeDh/jd9y/t+ReaMWSSQMK7j+0Y znzW/TPVNDto/dWeKLgXAY5d1ZrVEJw4x7+1LnMJIZ5VJocq6uw824KSRIZuzIct3L 62iCXPYO+xfnsEo6FzwGCTW3TbqWlhsmKd9Vpic8ykvaONeBpMzMdHQ6Uy/PXhlWVO xJdp4+mVtVvyQ== Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Greetings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Holidays For the action video: http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/levi3451/media/Triumph%20Christmas%20Decora tion/IMG_0302_zps99314ac5.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0 1969 Triumph Spitfire MK III Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) and Christmas Ornament 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 25 11:47:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250102584AF3 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:47:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DD32584A04 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B022C02A4 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 00:38:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 00:38:54 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Marcel Van Mulders wrote: > Repairing would mean : welding the crack after heating the head (6000C?), > without guarantee of success. Heating the head to 6,000 degrees C would certainly not guarantee success. Off to California for Christmas, hope the server doesn't blow up while I'm gone. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 25 13:38:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913AA25805FE for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 13:38:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S25.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s25.hotmail.com [65.55.111.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B5A2580104 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 13:07:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU178-W37 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S25.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:11:26 -0800 From: "n. cal" To: FOT Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 13:11:26 -0700 FILETIME=[F6B6FD20:01D0207E] Subject: [Fot] 12/25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Before I head out I thought I'd wish everyone a safe, Merry Christmas. And a memorable, productive New Year !! Kev Lynch #6 RMVR _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 25 14:15:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904F125805B9 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:15:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F06258011C for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 13:55:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-po-17v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.241]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id XwzK1p0045Clt1L01wzKyC; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:59:19 +0000 Received: from TommyPC ([67.164.124.195]) by resomta-po-17v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id XwzJ1p0094D3utv01wzJzE; Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:59:19 +0000 From: "Bud DeLauer" To: "'n. cal'" , "'FOT'" References: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:59:22 -0800 Thread-Index: AdAgg4Pur9LDojcVRvCcqTexH2pwnwAAfc/Q Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1419541159; bh=iEr5DM+y4dYULbvYCbGHq78oaHtTRxDDXzkS516ouRc=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=oa8spcrHonmxIqm35ESNMwdkTAYKYYB4FeRScTWLf6bWTD9xbSTbXzL18V8qnAHcd gsKPv7WhQo70BN+f+sqySmPjli43EaobZR91jza0lq/3dsZIYuFgyhb/eajeQaHO/X 1N/0+yqpgjuJd+yIl6KqxjG5OwwRcYpF8nFfs6V93J3R5LB98vAR3IJbDwoio0mRZD q8gF3aZQVyn7ULex9nGQ8gXfPXbzkr8DGaO8B0Re5MsVYo9fepDhpdyXbql8E6U5ii MIAQNNbRXwVpV33dCFkgZBePrAevOBNhtRnV9P7o/1tQIgp1iqYXxTb8xSyPJQwObm Gmn41ZhCIXarQ== Subject: Re: [Fot] 12/25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Kev..Merry Christmas to all!! Racer Bud in Sonoma, Ca. -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n. cal Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:11 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 12/25 Before I head out I thought I'd wish everyone a safe, Merry Christmas. And a memorable, productive New Year !! Kev Lynch #6 RMVR _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars@comcast.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 04:51:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF942584A07 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 04:51:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from wilson.telenet-ops.be (wilson.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CE42580351 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 04:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be (andre.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.53]) by wilson.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F4434221 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:43:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from GebruikerPC ([IPv6:2a02:1812:a8c:4300:489b:68e3:2855:d999]) by andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id YBib1p00E2ioDuC01Bikjf; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:42:44 +0100 From: "Marcel Van Mulders" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> <549BBF0E.3050804@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:42:34 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAgiRZF3FOmZ2Q/TliyiuzLWvA7lAAdL9jA Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I believe I wrote 6000C, not 6000. But on another subject : Cor Nuyts is a man near Antwerp who is famous for his billet steel crankshafts and a lot of special engine parts for tractor pulling etc. He has over 100 different crankshafts in the database of a CNC machine i.e. 6cyl TR and 4 cyl TR with 92 and 96 mm stroke (I had a 96mm crank made by him, but had to sell it on after I told it to the people of the TR Competition before my first race there) Cor is 70 now and still hard working. When he was in his twenties, he made succesfully a straight 8 Bugatti crankshaft on an ordinary lathe : it took most of the week-ends during a year. Recently, he machined a TR6 block for me to take 3600 Toyota crank thrust bearings. The bearings couldn't be mounted however, he hadn't machined deep enough. To avoid transport of the engine again, he milled the bearings 0.3mm down. To do so, he placed the bearings on a flat magnetic plate to secure them, and then the plate with the bearings went under a stone to mill them. On the way home, I thought that this milling with parts on a magnetic plate could also be used to make used brake pads flat again. I've used Kas Kastner's method on a drill several times and this is working very well, but, if you have gathered a lot of partially used brake pads over several years, milling these on such a machine could be an elegant alternative. What do you think? Marcel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Mark J Bradakis Verzonden: donderdag 25 december 2014 8:39 Aan: fot@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Marcel Van Mulders wrote: > Repairing would mean : welding the crack after heating the head > (6000C?), without guarantee of success. Heating the head to 6,000 degrees C would certainly not guarantee success. Off to California for Christmas, hope the server doesn't blow up while I'm gone. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 05:29:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE5D2584DFF for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 05:29:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029D0258032A for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 05:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([71.116.36.193]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NH600KEAW1YT550@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 06:29:59 -0600 (CST) a=dgAzUI+lILTWfq/CSWBZ6Q==:117 a=IJ9pWlWUkYEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=k9IzgLeNAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=vq8kPGrweOalthojvhgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Marcel Van Mulders" , "'Mark J Bradakis'" References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> <549BBF0E.3050804@bradakis.com> <521B90FCD12F431CAFE677D853DC7146@GebruikerPC> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:30:00 -0500 Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I use a surface grinder with a magnetic chuck to true my brake pads. Works great. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Van Mulders" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks >I believe I wrote 6000C, not 6000. > But on another subject : Cor Nuyts is a man near Antwerp who is famous for > his billet steel crankshafts and a lot of special engine parts for tractor > pulling etc. > He has over 100 different crankshafts in the database of a CNC machine > i.e. > 6cyl TR and 4 cyl TR with 92 and 96 mm stroke (I had a 96mm crank made by > him, but had to sell it on after I told it to the people of the TR > Competition before my first race there) Cor is 70 now and still hard > working. When he was in his twenties, he made succesfully a straight 8 > Bugatti crankshaft on an ordinary lathe : it took most of the week-ends > during a year. > Recently, he machined a TR6 block for me to take 3600 Toyota crank thrust > bearings. The bearings couldn't be mounted however, he hadn't machined > deep > enough. To avoid transport of the engine again, he milled the bearings > 0.3mm > down. To do so, he placed the bearings on a flat magnetic plate to secure > them, and then the plate with the bearings went under a stone to mill > them. > On the way home, I thought that this milling with parts on a magnetic > plate > could also be used to make used brake pads flat again. I've used Kas > Kastner's method on a drill several times and this is working very well, > but, if you have gathered a lot of partially used brake pads over several > years, milling these on such a machine could be an elegant alternative. > What > do you think? > Marcel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Mark J Bradakis > Verzonden: donderdag 25 december 2014 8:39 > Aan: fot@autox.team.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > Marcel Van Mulders wrote: > >> Repairing would mean : welding the crack after heating the head >> (6000C?), without guarantee of success. > > Heating the head to 6,000 degrees C would certainly not guarantee > success. > > Off to California for Christmas, hope the server doesn't blow up while I'm > gone. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 05:30:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2BD2584F98 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 05:30:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F0258049B for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 05:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l2so14429272wgh.27 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 04:30:20 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=c3IC9JxlPlMyWe5m9oneVGQJpPgq6f6poAs7T6XFcWk=; b=qVzuXH7sbdpDjqkQzd9+6DPBlD/OCLFeB8sVLEIiwsIIf5/DQlPXeJrQhbYKfEZzdl G0akwwOpqipZv06qmOaTH3I/VBsddOfxc1KQ0iXwEHq/nxULCsEXmHJeeqWWVNXjl/tN /SqjlMi7SV5i7RZXiBjw4nKTnEljwByY2y2ViZJiawav0uieWPMH6MZIHRaZchVPG6ff pDduWsbKS1XNJrHRYBfFYn0fvyxjepaledtPPq65Eo4yrtXHc12AyGIY7gGe1Urynt0f JnafA0jIgWU51DVeQEhrirN4hWCQb4X60rsO22AA02LZsI0ntle2jYrs9q2WhigbEA2d 88Pw== p6mr70709604wjw.62.1419597020308; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 04:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([2.163.149.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q7sm28083742wiv.8.2014.12.26.04.30.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Dec 2014 04:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> <549BBF0E.3050804@bradakis.com> <521B90FCD12F431CAFE677D853DC7146@GebruikerPC> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:30:17 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAgiRZF3FOmZ2Q/TliyiuzLWvA7lAAdL9jAAAIiMfA= Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Holley tuning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, hope you survived the first part of the end of year party zone. I have a question about Holley carbs. While racing the TR8 on a few events I figured out that throttle blips on down shifts cause a hesitation on the engine. This makes it difficult to engage the clutch without locking the rear wheels. If I step a little harder on the gas the engine is jumping too far up in revs so the car is acceleration on the downshift, what I don't want in that moment. Acceleration is always great and smooth. Only when the engine comes down from high revs and need a blip for down shift the hesitation comes. What to do on the carb? Making the accelerator squirt less or more? It is a 4150 HP double pumper. The cam color is pink in position 1. Injektor size is 31 or 34 which is not clearly readable. Could also be that injector one is 31 and injector 2 is 34. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 07:32:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E0E2584A47 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:32:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3434925807B8 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 14:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.149] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 14:10:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 14:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 552 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2014 14:10:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1419603009; bh=ClCsSVHUWt97H5EFhtPSGoy9WnS3cBAfDmbapRQL8Jk=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ruOs2+JAdZItdZAYxcbSeP3ChgqPIxrkQCPRsE2ywJ0BdgQsRlJFeVyeN7z6GLi8rNTKPk8o/nWKKEvZ4q6AvMFhZOQuzVak2laQ8azIvVhxCDKWRzG5MRlKgKYqbxplkmgBpl8NA1uH8efjBOM+tERMDmYRrNn8s/pLWZTQT5w= g2RSmLYxXmSw0eS3dJx64ND8qYUG3A758BfhXFXuMysgwk5S2NS4NAIC576X MWlFfZY44Ou1UJTxFguA_5U0QsmArMsoZbWWPOmvSOwD8IZyLCuORA_nwDEh Cf3zK3pmEk45mLlnFjqwIoKQ49bt0BKtY8GC5iUo44fqixgfyJYaTK3a0W2I f9ykoerRsAwrMM7AgWns.4u.7.g4viCFRpfy0qVYkxMBcIY65yn9V5bBGw_h jfM.Uxtso0Ezu18PV_.qwN35pbVMmseA4UVzhw7Ww.W4ChGx8.reynupxymO h2odMylvmFGJhD40_yr..Cmx17FgHyk.zV59qgPO3fn9EeD9YrFSyfPGFxtn qn6eha0GOtrSs1z1DCDByZ_sF9Y.o7FLQnddUccw74SRuVSDPc.yxj6gZ9TT Vz0X6eav5HzivLtG9hXNs038sMOcZ8oS3N1Ugutv8gsm_vHVUGME9qtwJrUq CnS9CKiVt8VM.zgBFMj4jq0wdfn0ZlTnMwZ0qWnwu0GFEMWxEnBQl3CCTzPx m3ODfmtVPdTEU0zXBiwEc8tWIs.3OAHcAxKWd2xhIyLxeBMD3an7XJzE- Received: from [24.246.169.211] by web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 06:10:09 PST VGhhdCxzIGFuIGVhc3kgb25lLCAKCgpZb3UgaGF2ZSB3YXkgdG8gbXVjaCBmdWVsIGZvciB5b3VyIGxpdHRsZSAyMTUhISEhIQoKVGhlIGVhc2llc3QgZml4IGlzIHRvIHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgc2Vjb25kYXJ5IGxldmVyIHRoYXQgaGFzIHRoZSBwdW1wIGNhbSBvbiBpdC4gUmVtb3ZlIHRoZSBwaGlsbGlwcyBzY3JldyB0aGF0IGlzIGluIHRoZSBlbmQgb2YgdGhlIHNlY29uZGFyeSBzaGFmdCwgdXNlIGEgZmxhdCBibGFkZSBzY3JldyBkcml2ZXIgYW5kIHByeSBpdCBvZmYsIHByb2JsZW0gc29sdmVkISBUaGlzIGkBMAEBAQE- References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> <549BBF0E.3050804@bradakis.com> <521B90FCD12F431CAFE677D853DC7146@GebruikerPC> <001301d02107$b524f450$1f6edcf0$@com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 06:10:09 -0800 From: Rick Parent To: MadMarx , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Holley tuning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net That,s an easy one, You have way to much fuel for your little 215!!!!! The easiest fix is to remove the secondary lever that has the pump cam on it. Remove the phillips screw that is in the end of the secondary shaft, use a flat blade screw driver and pry it off, problem solved! This is a common fix, you will also notice your car will accelerate better every time you get back on the gas hard, like while shifting or coming off a corner. Hope this helps, Rick On Friday, December 26, 2014 7:34 AM, MadMarx wrote: Hi Guys, hope you survived the first part of the end of year party zone. I have a question about Holley carbs. While racing the TR8 on a few events I figured out that throttle blips on down shifts cause a hesitation on the engine. This makes it difficult to engage the clutch without locking the rear wheels. If I step a little harder on the gas the engine is jumping too far up in revs so the car is acceleration on the downshift, what I don't want in that moment. Acceleration is always great and smooth. Only when the engine comes down from high revs and need a blip for down shift the hesitation comes. What to do on the carb? Making the accelerator squirt less or more? It is a 4150 HP double pumper. The cam color is pink in position 1. Injektor size is 31 or 34 which is not clearly readable. Could also be that injector one is 31 and injector 2 is 34. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 07:44:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2200258596A for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:44:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EF225808B7 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:35:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b13so14669166wgh.31 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 06:39:22 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=LkjpPO3krXNj3Y72Ul0OZ54rpKgN0KbZkwZN+z6Dpwo=; b=p1Lq9PlqcITZxFAwayLSs5Q5eLqGevgCOauuv8NSAtZ6G7rk+yjagq20Gp/b6yT5Kg rTxhpC/t05luAVJ92+qZDtJTSifz8S2BXB/LXEzG5+E/ttO7aEazb2dMf4SNWg0S6MoU hTf6LWPFU5YPXNrnLLMx4EnhcQv++mIZI4S93XVyslUTBaKFPDRbE4kl7jEx+vfLMLze Z/p8gk1eli/IpBsFV6DtfA0FwgjHZHEKGjscz8xqkSoZ5FgMu46w/SVNNw9gqOcQkCBz E5uGJoB1WcCWgLUcHwYurGLWC6csGLn0xJwsFFdaPcdUz/JyJefy5A+VHo/c8oJpo3bb XEgQ== v7mr69187986wix.74.1419604762772; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 06:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([2.163.149.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fx6sm38838111wjc.39.2014.12.26.06.39.21 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Dec 2014 06:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Rick Parent'" , References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> <549BBF0E.3050804@bradakis.com> <521B90FCD12F431CAFE677D853DC7146@GebruikerPC> <001301d02107$b524f450$1f6edcf0$@com> <1419603009.98718.YahooMailNeo@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:39:20 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAhFanEcsJ60qADTxe2BGFKEaGybAAAyH0Q Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Holley tuning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rick, I tried that already  by accident. When I had removed the floats to change the jets to a larger size (was 4x71 at RA last year and now it is 2x73 and 2x77) I left by accident the lever of the rear secondary float disengaged, so I ran only with the front accelerator pump. The engine was running very lean at RA and also on the first race at Spa. Now I have an AF between 13  13.5 It was no difference fellable with only one accelerator pump. And the hesitation was still there. Maybe changing the front one to a smaller size and leaving the rear as it is? Cheers Chris Von: Rick Parent [mailto:rick.parent@att.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Dezember 2014 15:10 An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Holley tuning That,s an easy one, You have way to much fuel for your little 215!!!!! The easiest fix is to remove the secondary lever that has the pump cam on it. Remove the phillips screw that is in the end of the secondary shaft, use a flat blade screw driver and pry it off, problem solved! This is a common fix, you will also notice your car will accelerate better every time you get back on the gas hard, like while shifting or coming off a corner. Hope this helps, Rick On Friday, December 26, 2014 7:34 AM, MadMarx < Hi Guys, hope you survived the first part of the end of year party zone. I have a question about Holley carbs. While racing the TR8 on a few events I figured out that throttle blips on down shifts cause a hesitation on the engine. This makes it difficult to engage the clutch without locking the rear wheels. If I step a little harder on the gas the engine is jumping too far up in revs so the car is acceleration on the downshift, what I don't want in that moment. Acceleration is always great and smooth. Only when the engine comes down from high revs and need a blip for down shift the hesitation comes. What to do on the carb? Making the accelerator squirt less or more? It is a 4150 HP double pumper. The cam color is pink in position 1. Injektor size is 31 or 34 which is not clearly readable. Could also be that injector one is 31 and injector 2 is 34. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 11:23:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BED25805AB for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:23:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A42C25854C1 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:14:02 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1419617875; bh=i8GrtvQSQ0f/8AtvjK4jAYQKVek2xetJaH3o1rrrz24=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=YBUyRD2qub85VeNx04KFLWtdiej40rG8GL5qzaqmlKcBheWEnSTudmvRE06gXkZBJnXDp3p4FC+qbK1ZMol93SsvB0Drgti3Dvu0uNZ6zuy/OhA25sobsSzF5rfnvOxuzTN3Gq0/SF9fJvh8qkl4ZbGA5z+XH+RcDDElFa58iO+GxZyNxXaipsnlcofDxECd4eQk7Sz0d78BQM5cNAzd4UAqQ7t3SFbgtTEKBIKGyV2nRhxnCnUOlqlnR8kLtEwQ+qZfYxBrqFbONRElLNsWR76X5J7Ev/q94TiDU7P/ewQ/INB0/56Km6HgsP19rrryFy7voExyJvPzLuSNu91xJQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=KTM/3dqj+3RU4rqTxJxzXZvUI2O/mR4Ed8mokUaeB7CKbiCDNWkDNTXpWKuH4xmKB+rGJCYNR9Ec4JfR8EpFItsjgrLpH+U49Pj0U0m66LosmhUaz/YUEVGNaf8myxRBsDihBlXsSnLKepAUziLHunuMfptrnvQxgbrfJ4PppeQ9IDLomF7v0bOMZ/0jQrjirOkzjIGQgcGlTPR/L8M0p+xyGB7Bd2OovTEV3HzXMKkj/rYhEpQgScKwhoQcVCePHxaZaGaQ3pPEHX5Xu13Tmdec10m7MbBmkrAgekbdfp+DA8hn2NQtgADzlDz2siKFS/wxDmXq5NfmwVnucfklMA==; Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 18:17:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 18:17:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2014 18:17:54 -0000 QhDu3KrUZ2r0ZxxsKM_gK0crWaHJcxFYJVjU5WAPeKG5ARNsx4m2sA94jqD9 tC.tJZeUInqsksBLGN1RxqsyIpTVysjpj9wrkSTKZErMFCXKbiX9goYOuW3w ._a.0Zq_iJW1mM.k7z_lRVG_deOR4ty__BSf4K9OUeXAoI6.g_Gm7cuR9HK7 hUVxY4N5q61ZitU84JVSbExcF1xpgJlzdKbz8GDAHNgMd8Vukvtpo8e.dxsi 5PLJcMVHcRUvBjEfIvFbti3THVXbg6DeGHquu3Sllvls_jANKIlZxcuErNQ6 Wm3Np3g_YJm_UoAZ7uW6V2sCLg26OJWBfH.smDdiczSpgSOznUwBMufUYHiU UOPqpJn4p_QI8Ysm8KIj1e_0bKyeskkq_QaecvJD0gecOEgRgxHM4bz_TdSn q7AaeMGtChj9wSiGauS56qY95HQJeeOBv1qpgaCLr_zZdllhoEYspYKj5KIT 9bhV3PiNt..fkf71sGP7CTR8vQBWjht35Ja_ZwTbj3wvX7OsCtUXUjObhTk2 BmhDbgrJ.KWzPGz5W5J0vwA4lO_GqmC2_lrZKUEb687EtgScAWYKMDyHoGfG hISyLOJe5iQU04eu75YJg4hlJbAa4l2k- Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:17:57 -0600 From: Larry Young User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: John Hasty References: <1162453797.8756371.1419205316847.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <43EB2F68-ACD8-4092-A2A5-5D2F0E950969@gmail.com> , <549B0F0C.3030308@pobox.com> <214D01D3-4B2A-4A05-94F7-24745E71B954@mhc-law.com> Cc: "FOT@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] T5 conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen the Dolomite Sprint gearset ratios frequently stated as 2.19, 1.57, 1.23, 1.00. I counted : 26,29,33,33 on the main shaft and 31,28,25,16 on the counter shaft. Unless I'm mistaken, that gives 2.46 for 1st. I see that Quantum agrees - http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/triumph1.htm. - Larry _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 11:59:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB05B25849C0 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:59:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (unknown [64.255.237.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDEE25805AB for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:55:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.248.202.163] (mobile-166-176-57-161.mycingular.net [166.176.57.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18A1038F02; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Wagner" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:58:55 -0800 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Happy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Boxing Day! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 15:21:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A6A2584D3C for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:21:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBEA258099A for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:08:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 10so8926372lbg.19 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:12:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=IwvnFBEcfPCqb0sOObNwyc9Lsy4G74kzKq0P/1uXV4E=; b=tJCTPpfkyFU72bx98pyfSzg9yCuWr7hvN8EG7lrfwVZc3QXQBxRiLMjqM0C6D8SJGY XegPaGPMDI4bXJiuhUIBfnL2oImevrd+Or4+nx8KjC6mxFUHyeAPViBexu5wA2CNgTlu HssuD32N63lSSsvZVFtGpNYD1dSM9fi2G02SNLHdQ/0Q4gmMXZWd03VPIFU+gPZx1FKE d47Dze6/G6dfz15JV6NGUpduePBbyLDtwlCL3iriKvDocB4gbmxBDno8ZlCrmP+Z3C84 OEpXJ/KyEJY8dNBIH/nqaWVkqgnEkSDoHYedjQG6mF2gzdMKTOtRNhXU5XtiOjumteio YbKw== v2mr45459962lav.34.1419631971798; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.57.228 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:12:11 -0800 (PST) References: <8115D9C163CA4D87976942B775A1E299@GebruikerPC> <549BBF0E.3050804@bradakis.com> <521B90FCD12F431CAFE677D853DC7146@GebruikerPC> From: Kas Kastner Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:12:11 -0800 To: Marcel Van Mulders Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had used a mill for the first try on the brake pad mod so save a used set of pads, but later thought that I really should get that abrasive material around my very nice accurate mill, so then went to the dumbbell drill press.. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Marcel Van Mulders < van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be> wrote: > I believe I wrote 6000C, not 6000. > But on another subject : Cor Nuyts is a man near Antwerp who is famous for > his billet steel crankshafts and a lot of special engine parts for tractor > pulling etc. > He has over 100 different crankshafts in the database of a CNC machine i.e. > 6cyl TR and 4 cyl TR with 92 and 96 mm stroke (I had a 96mm crank made by > him, but had to sell it on after I told it to the people of the TR > Competition before my first race there) Cor is 70 now and still hard > working. When he was in his twenties, he made succesfully a straight 8 > Bugatti crankshaft on an ordinary lathe : it took most of the week-ends > during a year. > Recently, he machined a TR6 block for me to take 3600 Toyota crank thrust > bearings. The bearings couldn't be mounted however, he hadn't machined deep > enough. To avoid transport of the engine again, he milled the bearings > 0.3mm > down. To do so, he placed the bearings on a flat magnetic plate to secure > them, and then the plate with the bearings went under a stone to mill them. > On the way home, I thought that this milling with parts on a magnetic plate > could also be used to make used brake pads flat again. I've used Kas > Kastner's method on a drill several times and this is working very well, > but, if you have gathered a lot of partially used brake pads over several > years, milling these on such a machine could be an elegant alternative. > What > do you think? > Marcel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Mark J Bradakis > Verzonden: donderdag 25 december 2014 8:39 > Aan: fot@autox.team.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > Marcel Van Mulders wrote: > > > Repairing would mean : welding the crack after heating the head > > (6000C?), without guarantee of success. > > Heating the head to 6,000 degrees C would certainly not guarantee success. > > Off to California for Christmas, hope the server doesn't blow up while I'm > gone. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 17:01:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0499B2585934 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:01:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S29.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s29.hotmail.com [65.55.90.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925F72584D43 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS147 ([65.55.90.73]) by SNT004-OMC2S29.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:40:01 -0800 From: Rich Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:40:41 -0500 To: "fot@autox.team.net" FILETIME=[4467EF20:01D02165] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions! Here's the plan for repair: First, the head will get magnafluxed to determine if it has any other cracks. If the head passes that test, the repair to the two troubling cracks will be done by "stitching". My machinist has a fair amount of experience with this process which involves drilling and tapping a series of holes along the centerline of the entire crack. This will be done one at a time, starting with the end closest to the combustion chamber. The hole gets tapped using a special tap similar to a pipe thread tap and the special (cast iron) tapered bolt gets threaded in and cut off near the head surface, to be made even with the surface when the final machining is done. The holes get drilled so that each successive bolt has some contact with the preceding bolt near the head surface, and each bolt gets coated with a special epoxy before being threaded in. Wherever possible, the bolts will be installed so that they bottom out, and act as "stakes" just as Kas details in his book. Additional stakes will also be installed away from the crack in an effort to stop any further collapse of this already thin (shaved about .150") head in this area and hopefully add even more stability to the repair. We'll see how it turns out. Thanks again, Rich Rock ________________________________ From: michael Sent: 12/24/2014 3:39 PM To: Doug Mitchell; Tony Drews; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Years ago, I remember taking a TR3 head to a place in Long Island City, New York called Cool Weld. Using a process called "cold welding" they patched a combustion chamber. This wasn't a crack, it was a hole but it worked on cracks as well. That was my back-up head and it worked fine for several races and also for the guy who bought the car. Mike Cook > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:52 -0500 > From: dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > To: tony@tonydrews.com; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > You might check into an old-school technique of cold stitching. Not sure if it works on a head, but have seen it done on blocks. Not cheap and intensive work, but it can recover a block. > > > Doug > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > Sent from my mobile phone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tony Drews > Date: 12/24/2014 12:27 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if > it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and > probably #3.B I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation > and silver solder to seal it back up.B I'll have to remember that one! > > When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't > repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of > threaded plugs run through the crack.B That's the only other fix that > comes to mind. > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: > >You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with > >silver solder. > >Seems to work fine with a good success rate. > > > >Cheers > >Chris > >_______________________________________________ > >fot@autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 18:10:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEEA2585F8C for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:10:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB68258459E for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id gm9so9179611lab.26 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=iVCopIrcWkNT7iFE91/pLRf8JeJfanPBe0DQHs0I6aw=; b=GDU+oiAPRBSdgog0JmH+GtAi4ZQyLgS97Qxwzjy+Fp7XuucF2X0VP8qZxraZu6KNSI fR2mOvv3LYU7IVs5AKLmo8u7DhubZtPaML4pTXuYea9yQuwwoi5VZhSYICqC9UF2ROTF b4KfBg0EOcEpTd88J8TWVOb4GC7q950veTFnzbFwYrdVexD1aP3ksQrTK71MU5BCJv7k uqsfTNpFXXDQvK6NQ77M+2xQhrnW3Ih5aNLbvTfe/BprWegREPKCuDCeEcWiyB18vnj5 SpoS1zNW8Tr+CQxeTkjvJL3xwCqpgt3LYqNhTD5CR/UaN/aigOZW88LzXylBdkvczb7G cGbg== o6mr46469398lah.64.1419642334444; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.57.228 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:04:54 -0800 (PST) References: From: Kas Kastner Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:04:54 -0800 To: Rich Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I had this type of repair completed on a head and also a block for the 1967 GT-6, the first in he country that I was working with without too much success. That pair of castings went on to live throughout the work. The repair is GOOD. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Rich wrote: > Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions! > > Here's the plan for repair: > > First, the head will get magnafluxed to determine if it has any other > cracks. > If the head passes that test, the repair to the two troubling cracks will > be > done by "stitching". > > My machinist has a fair amount of experience with this process which > involves > drilling and tapping a series of holes along the centerline of the entire > crack. This will be done one at a time, starting with the end closest to > the > combustion chamber. > > The hole gets tapped using a special tap similar to a pipe thread tap and > the > special (cast iron) tapered bolt gets threaded in and cut off near the head > surface, to be made even with the surface when the final machining is done. > > The holes get drilled so that each successive bolt has some contact with > the > preceding bolt near the head surface, and each bolt gets coated with a > special > epoxy before being threaded in. > > Wherever possible, the bolts will be installed so that they bottom out, and > act as "stakes" just as Kas details in his book. Additional stakes will > also > be installed away from the crack in an effort to stop any further collapse > of > this already thin (shaved about .150") head in this area and hopefully add > even more stability to the repair. > > We'll see how it turns out. > > Thanks again, > > Rich Rock > ________________________________ > From: michael > Sent: 12/24/2014 3:39 PM > To: Doug Mitchell; Tony Drews; fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > Years ago, I remember taking a TR3 head to a place in Long Island City, New > York called Cool Weld. Using a process called "cold welding" they patched > a > combustion chamber. This wasn't a crack, it was a hole but it worked on > cracks > as well. > > That was my back-up head and it worked fine for several races and also for > the > guy who bought the car. > > Mike Cook > > > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:52 -0500 > > From: dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > > To: tony@tonydrews.com; fot@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > > > You might check into an old-school technique of cold stitching. Not sure > if > it works on a head, but have seen it done on blocks. Not cheap and > intensive > work, but it can recover a block. > > > > > > Doug > > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > > Sent from my mobile phone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Tony Drews > > Date: 12/24/2014 12:27 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: fot@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR head cracks > > > > I received a picture of the head - the crack is to the point where if > > it grows any further there will be definite sealing issues on #2 and > > probably #3.B I like this suggestion - a hole to stop the propagation > > and silver solder to seal it back up.B I'll have to remember that one! > > > > When I went through the "cracked head" issue (mine wasn't > > repairable), someone suggested "stitching" which is a series of > > threaded plugs run through the crack.B That's the only other fix that > > comes to mind. > > > > Cheers, Tony Drews > > > > At 05:53 AM 12/24/2014, MadMarx wrote: > > >You can stop the crack with a hole at its end and solder the crack with > > >silver solder. > > >Seems to work fine with a good success rate. > > > > > >Cheers > > >Chris > > >_______________________________________________ > > >fot@autox.team.net > > > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 26 18:57:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6982585ED2 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:57:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s19.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445662580B2D for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLU173-W39 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:48:51 -0800 From: Henry Morrison To: fot Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:48:50 -0700 FILETIME=[4385A040:01D02177] Subject: [Fot] Stock TR250 Air Cleaner wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net If anyone might happen to have one floating around their garage they want to send to a good home. Happy New Year, Henry Morrison, Cedar Crest, NM _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 27 18:20:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB8F25806A5 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:20:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f45.google.com (mail-qa0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDEE258024D for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id f12so6732988qad.32 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:07:33 -0800 (PST) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; bh=UIAtzJABoNnrlTuxDr715vvpOL2tRkxmxJuxcvo9zh0=; b=UJj7hPpV7dNXGMWLzriTLPSG7cj0UlbbJzG0JXfUUd9mI1hcirftlw0RqZbuwkC244 icobO4pKqmvvArX25TwruvGDFbbX40w1yy9dmI8s7Tefa6HxcCEXVyhlE8ZexBVSW6cu 6ui4gxFpy1h9WjGjZIDl7n4tBVI5I5taRNCFqvV+op0RGCrrwmxqU++I55QwnguaUZ8r LyrKBGZ1rStj24h2+ILk4LQbgooNkztgpS3D1sSbLjT0n4OaBc+CfmmNJtNCVxoMkNM1 5VBo2NuOLzr5ahY16mXsNXFgCxPHiEsb722hoy1ebGfsseRcW+3AbCcmqNa1xYiJP2Ck yRWw== k9mr79680604qcn.15.1419728853355; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (c-50-134-55-99.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [50.134.55.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f7sm9359963qar.41.2014.12.27.17.07.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:07:32 -0800 (PST) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:07:30 -0500 To: FOT team Subject: [Fot] Iron or sew-on patches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I want to buy another patch but don 'to recall from whom I purchased them previously. Haaaaalp! Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 27 19:00:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A6825844D2 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:00:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.247]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BEE2580471 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:50:54 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1419731693; bh=yDofOpUTi/1mLtz0U8rp5otOsgE+MNFSTcvJoPv7IOM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=fLmWRWfUoubH9D4HXTEmyBTg8bPox8NbBtf1rZCfnrlNxzzYU5JdkWpvlaSJZnVSyFY2lw/pRNWf47CSg9ivcAfSB0nC6zSPbkyW4bAc2/+qikoIXtT0LyuIREH2vqczHriYjZSfaFx5ytp37rGmt1wYERyV472WjfxmQ8HYduo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=EHk16XLP+7XNiVAT2uM/LFexxlsoqY9ryKdHaWJB3hGfzRIFylj22E5luf/9ccWKMfpdH6XDaYUZBJHPP5hm5hxoY7DwDc71dbcvc+iguCddD8iSC6VD52PeAjjSxStLVef7RtTA+jeHKC7AEwH2h1ftVrgnbjkHae0Nydva75U=; Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2014 01:54:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.96] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2014 01:54:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2014 01:54:52 -0000 L24Io9zZ1DrWCm_GbW0h.YEW4UVLOZHjhSHUEFl6_IkJSZkQfA9RYjwQXzpn DCNeKxAEAZQjkz0IzjrLKygYH90TFDPRwe2Hy5sV1fjsehjuJjrtGeBpIGEd f2bwReMzGi0kTQvBNvhPzU6PGDGUEcIPNMER_9eBdKQnKHPvsECZYk5CWMXM 3sw.Woq696eR87WrzvWHMYk9y9BRqsvXAPat7E6JK0zN5mbucOQGGvagk1fz UD30_Cyp3V9HwL8o.vZ5riSE39AAtzRtGQ5Op2tByHkmLimMDVMSEm3kNI0O 9ah_.ZlRJihZ1n_n3QhYeTQYyPecvXNkVZ1wHiVSPHzvDnwjr_IbE0T5Wm11 miKGpRUHl87O.svgrIsnRzkmkIQkA_hFgmgkXCmt3TKAL6qnY128IaRqgTlo bIkvH7obV0fmD.JkT3dUOeuBbh5maU6RtQcTZ6EtvzJbO28vvDxbBByk3qHP qwnwcVvghoNFHteMvpm_pmebWT1SRWP1JzLcCd.NypCSmMO7RoSZYtJjA0E_ NfwarqdZh8xkMIY62XZqFcRqN2csPw30IGO5fLOge9UJWZmkW From: Andrew Packard Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:54:50 -0800 References: To: J.C. Hassall Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Iron or sew-on patches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have the patches. They're $5 each plus $1 to ship. Either paypal to apackard68@att.net or mail to 56 Hagen Oaks Ct, Alamo, CA 94507. Be sure to include your address. There are about 30 patches left if others want any. Proceeds are benefitting our TR4 Lemons car project. Andy Packard On Dec 27, 2014, at 5:07 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > I want to buy another patch but don 'to recall from whom I purchased them > previously. > > Haaaaalp! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/apackard68@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 28 09:17:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DC225848AA for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:17:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA84C2584594 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.205.19.176] ([68.205.19.176:52663] helo=Davis.local) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 6D/95-29748-F2D20A45; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:17:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:17:51 -0500 From: Bob Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 race car for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net All, I have decided to sell my TR3 race car and am offering it to the list prior to listing on the other avenues. It is in an unfinished state at about 85% completed. The intended final outcome was to be a recreation of the TR3 raced at Sebring in 1957 by the factory. This was a rust free California car. It was converted to a race car by a father/son/brother in the late 70's and raced with VARA. Couple of log books attest to the racing. What is left to do: Body will need final fit and finish. All body work is done and cut in with final factory race color of Winchester blue. Race wiring (does have a new stock harness but not really suited for racing) Roll bar (has the original single hoop) Gauges of your choice Carbs. SU in good shape but disassembled for a rebuild. Shafts still tight. It has all the best parts installed in the engine, suspension and driveline. Everything is rebuilt. I have a build list for those that are interested. I have quite a few build photos. A partial list: Carillo rods Venolia 86mm pistons Roller rockers Pertronixs Single wire Denso alternator All engine parts cryo treated Center main cap strapped Southwick axles Aluminum Scirocco style radiator Steel factory hardtop w/all new rubber and mounting parts and a good rear plexi (factory raced with the hardtop) Panasport wheels Light custom steel flywheel (British Parts Northwest for a picture) Crank drilled for 6 bolts Aircraft grade hardware throughout New 4.11 R&P New Quaife diff Drilled and slotted rotors Uprated front spindles TR6 front suspension Polyurethane bushings TR6 calipers with stainless pistons Alfin drums Custom dual master brake cylinder set up 10 gallon fuel cell Aeroquip plumbing Bottom of car is as clean as the top Cunifer brake lines List goes on and on with a spare frame and many spare new wear items left over from previous TR race cars. The whole lot needs to go. Bring a trailer...... $13,000 or offer considered. Bob Davis 407 509 6714 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 04:43:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51B92585034 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:43:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8603525800CB for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id h11so25380428wiw.9 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:44:34 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:thread-index:content-language; bh=WSjwo9nTD55/p7w8Cod1mXa2eR32tSIB6ZVvVx6Qhv4=; b=BgmGFI6XMwMz5dtVjJGvSa3h68RodVEfVeeF1O9vycVpgjKzJd6C9yo5bgmZF0e9ll wyH4pCZF5IQ6cebcfFyY7e1I7DH7D0NReLf1OsPw630vHhmzicEXT8B2mOow10SJYzot vlRJsqJ/wNud4U+peEs/vkQAt/iwUPxZ/FdI/hvvIhIccS/Y4FxDoSPFkI3qn6EytkLK 8pUmlf9elAcsHIIXdKkl+1ENWnLWIpIrSYpbIJAE2E830/kVPyqiHcmi6cISM1oI05QM Dt1thb2ocAiSDAa4ci0uEER5q+6d41KNHEZPrYXSu3rz3tOuxgLitLvhEfySARM2JOsX pk3Q== l8mr109038052wix.65.1420026274597; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-32-203.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.32.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pl1sm46808978wic.16.2014.12.31.03.44.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 03:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:44:34 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAhbAxIqDrNLkfWQDCuAL7oru8kjgDgsEOAAAATnpA= Content-Language: de Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 05:58:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E912585095 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:58:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9052580469 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id x13so4114166wgg.26 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:56:12 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=rrr6QjByYYNi3HkzQ7eAtrIhHCJCjKUyyH6uBeQpSmE=; b=QZrBWe0as+XbeCiF1KXEttz45JhfaWRSmELciOPENZF0RCqg9P8saH4tNm3Y1AWepy mUm4mE7OM7VUm0a5pklKHBs4NcKcq04o6awZgBPuc3Fu5cIss9z04dfxyYkbhtpcg34s 4xsMI/gZjx1/lQJ9GCu+XEbOpStujvMgqW02GjnIsdWWRtob0bvnhpZ55Ebi3mIjcuzc pk0g/Bz4/pAkhYa32E9gva5jHAZlzedz4u57noDflestKs3ptyLY7IYlMHDs20NT/WeR pnwl62YJ7XhqSkEMu/fhK/4sPu9v8P+Y06WIVCLN+B8+bmbpffPOe/Dd/mjw20haNV50 Rc1Q== iz20mr116488197wic.60.1420030572729; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-32-203.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.32.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p14sm47050396wie.1.2014.12.31.04.56.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:56:12 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54A3E991.4020508@gmail.com> <001101d024f6$631f1300$295d3900$@com> <54A3EE6F.8010700@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:56:12 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAk9snNHiLCeh9yTqmghpk2chBHNQAAlNPg Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Found this on the web: https://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Torque_Spec_Aluminum_Fittings.pdf -----UrsprC Hi Duncan, > > that is my understanding, that these connectors should be self sealing. > But even with the taper surfaces in new condition they seem to let oil through. > > Cheers > Chris > > > -----UrsprC Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 13:18 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Chris, > No seal should be required. The tapers should seat against each other. > Perhaps they've been assembled and disassembled enough times that the mating surfaces are damaged. The design is intended to produce a metal-to-metal contact on the tapers, and the threads are not expected to seal. You might disassemble the leakers to see if the tapers look damaged. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > > On 12/31/14, 5:44 AM, MadMarx wrote: >> Hi @ all, >> >> hope you are getting well to the next year. >> >> My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and >> some of the them do leak. >> Is there any trick to seal them? >> I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more >> not to destroy them. >> >> Is there a seal missing in those connectors? >> >> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg >> >> Just an example what I mean for the system. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 05:58:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342052585156 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:58:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A321258035B for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 05:53:01 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1420030628; bh=zfWq6fLo/MBQoJAkFI0uOE2LxNfov5+zlTFlxNU68Mg=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From:Subject; b=dWfSCwxhqJTvNr0VP68Iiafp8IaZk1cRGBm71mM0NBMK2ARs/aRN7bohf47tzfdM9JOsPB/Un5ObfePDQyr9Ovoy1DD1vJC3Ue27qz5N8XcTB0i2c63+a6MKWL6mCxCWG6vIcnQfHqzkI23jC7PSopJF5SB015wUq6nBDqxv2zS25AMYT6M66GUrVpckHbDcFIjE3AtGRsSb7U+9GUPl1jwjfzpjx48yXdxZmP9EUvy73j7OXuZRF7u82aM3mmaiYZGCWQ9qtEWu5kRSp3EkqNnc6RPMfaeUdv0sHWedMcfM8LYjaM8y9DearoxGWJR/UmnxIjxQ9ySnhyPO3ivgiw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=sbcglobal.net; b=Te2KQuBXrM7zlf7I+E4ReFzMFyGSPdQprMhZxTn0l5QFt3arTkzf10wKZEnOqel3sHcnLJ9D6wE0qptGmGSFVaVR51TgPOj9i+RX/se9IduEzSRkPY5hd/lmkuTDKNaySNt0A9d51yyvEZh6f5YZvFlA0pkHqzq2JGsN7+MiMLuGQdKBAF3pHD2BbnNci/z+MtdShVS7oNBvwluMI02NPQg/ygViZUkI7HQPhdmNRR8qqEcjIRmFCFS4n3xqQBODw5jTpYdwNOhgRHY58b+k66Fc2M49TA8PIm5C9cPE8qaxLi2pODcuWMZRjch2TW4z0yyRaNVGJbN45zOxlknJSw==; Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 12:57:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.133] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 12:57:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 12:57:08 -0000 HtEEEk7aDQd7ffUqpl2nPKeK4Sd0OFYyKfq4HVz.v5MVpj6_gOwk1zYoi0OU rJ6cIbvCDO3Hl3mH8aSg2RHmgm8cFwW20GiKPDAAeCXw9RQgCrReGgKq6OLw IV66gan4RI4lTiAhHbPbiZIe_wRkVVdWBy1tNyqxbKpMrqpObHyRLNdkS7ti gXvWB0mT52n_csd3Q.9TLseAD.4KqMdgU82yK2fiXiHuLWhbssRVmAKNZCwe NSBBVHC2x8FvFJQxi9QD7J4ccr7zp0XMYrwejo4U8o2JB4g8PoTRfB7elRij qv96mbauUmGO7LwQSWPhntcjfj3UatbgC8bgDDzNTy6HVBbhZG8kcksT.HYy NbqFC1Whpe2jwPfhUvQOtWmxf_i98HlrfJJSBvqrtl5c60AS0F5rbyn7fpKN .UBDWpg85vvac9UAi3NMU8a1COvIDUnC8KGAUCbLBy3OiySopvS.QuCIpGKQ nbaEIroX5ojXJMDEWr.VlSldx6cPhwm6_iaKwu_e4dSO3EkswJA_I_uP3zjd Of6Jj32IQwkdJgwnfz3vr3Xb6Qoi0cANOkRmBOsLCD2_D7D7qmASBCbL6fTd U_DHEJObfGNzI9FfkFZYJ74PvKX2qROe90aEZnuVY0HjJ46YdUa34RPkHyLw g_lfnmZ.wRy2.zOA59AzLNEfV.Xh5aSn2lM50aHDv Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:57:03 -0500 From: Doug Mitchell To: MadMarx , Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, These are called AN fittings.B From my experience, they are very reliable and don't leak if they are in good condition. In your photo, the left end has a slight taper and is a pipe fitting. It should be wrapped with Teflon tape. The other end should _not_ be wrapped. I have seen these used on test engines an dynomometer stands for many hours with no leaks. Doug dmitchel@sbcglobal.net Sent from my mobile phone -------- Original message -------- From: MadMarx Date: 12/31/2014 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00) To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 06:28:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB84F2585246 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:28:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0925F25805ED for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:25:58 -0700 (MST) s=s1024; t=1420032606; bh=L3+3M0Ro99EGw9gipXd21fZH24ftlZDqpaX9QdP2WjM=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject; b=Bg1FGsVpDAh4zVYcyY9U0fEh8VvsfXg65bnLx+8G6HutYKSc0IKFTlJvP/6KtTU7wagiQQFI827To/QOaKrQKvcVTPxY7Wr2ZIELZ758ffLiEMI6JB6lEBavfnjjEEh4RqvxIk0yLauRZuf7thtr190ZgCBvsDY2fhECB2+YahA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=hYCfCRDQaUnY4/V8B5tSctynEtSbKXw0tjgNVYNHqi6xpicJr25jmHUUWYPncrmMoTQ1fqNvVTZjdsBcSHBjeXm+4osQfpeLxDlj02YbwOWx+90IKZqs7Atx+Pet0+dPB1GCkblu9gdO6Ms7I196hlVh7gY2i6hRq7+WRprseoM=; Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 13:30:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.46] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 13:30:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 13:30:06 -0000 ovOfP8NT8rSD3zjlNYjISz3twQ2QPR5thhI95zoI7i56MxyTDDUjch7smAeA htDMp7bVlyiDFIUKUuuMn.ZdvW1oFPCx0H5xyp9wnG5fb96ch5R.7JsWrWZK aYpq.srBhLWajqGSoDP_eEpSOwu.54boQoA4qrvmHA5DSwgTZ_xp9TqULdu. J4PcCgb4u1Ao8KFhzL8XTdIUi7oA4a7K3q3Wy3Rcmmhlj2VeCQ4p7tfVdZoL HI_i9Or4B8Z6zKh8LnY1XaspuKCJNtETvdTt5iyegLWQ0w_jKd1TBT9BxOVJ Mw6lw6d4ATfc6p3o.Bcg14.qVKWWX5Xf7zuFYD88J4R5o_2N.RQprSxSRObX kJ55PCLI_KmsRbF1SWPptLrZzV9EvJqQHpNfE.x.Reu56wezGCFvSrAwvAGZ 3_J8ym0ZqPpKHyYR.KAgO0OFklw8qg7kx8oUUpT530yyKt3Q5fztre_cj3ua j4zQcVbQuvQdPlIGV9PFmpWZyT9LMXV33WkoBd2pSWCT5bNw9tFZlzP_aBmG EmcefwRReBAGAQY7zDjVJ.SFK1SFL6B_swDOagz6m7qUCa6FQlJw0XxmKxHR K.H2A0f8PzqUdoz.snVwZJ30CpLu7prpUqJmo33LF8nfDjtDYNx18KdzS32S xr8rW4.nzMqOL1m_OgfSy References: From: Paul Ricco Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:30:05 -0600 To: Doug Mitchell Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have been working with the style of connectors you are referencing for many years. They are very reliable. The best reference for tightening them and installing hose of them is at Aeroquip's website and in their print catalog. If you are going to do a lot of work with them, invest in the aluminum wrenches and vise jaws. It will keep them from getting beat up from assembly and disassembly. You will need the adjustable wrench for some of the fittings, because they are not full AN sized on both sides of some fittings. If you intend to build hoses, the assembly lube is a great investment. Pegasus is a good source for the fittings and tools. They have all sizes and configurations. Paul Sent from my iPad > On Dec 31, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > > Chris, > These are called AN fittings.B From my experience, they are very reliable and don't leak if they are in good condition. In your photo, the left end has a slight taper and is a pipe fitting. It should be wrapped with Teflon tape. The other end should _not_ be wrapped. I have seen these used on test engines an dynomometer stands for many hours with no leaks. > > > Doug > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > Sent from my mobile phone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: MadMarx > Date: 12/31/2014 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Hi @ all, > > hope you are getting well to the next year. > > My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of > the them do leak. > Is there any trick to seal them? > I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to > destroy them. > > Is there a seal missing in those connectors? > > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg > > Just an example what I mean for the system. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 06:43:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EA425850EA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:43:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9981025805ED for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:34:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpd530 ([71.116.36.193]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NHG00MTA8KVM580@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:38:57 -0600 (CST) a=dgAzUI+lILTWfq/CSWBZ6Q==:117 a=IJ9pWlWUkYEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oNfj_eGqAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=71hoYPxZS-jEgzMTkVkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Doug Mitchell" , "MadMarx" , "Fot" References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:38:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, the male seating part of the fitting could possibly have a nick or scratch, hindering proper sealing. The same with the female connector on the hose. Most hose connectors can be taken apart and re-used. I favor pipe dope over the teflon tape; I think it seals better and bits of teflon tape can wander off down the plumbing system. Just my preference or course. The AN fittings don't need brute force when tightening. I wont swear to it, but excess tightening force could deform the fittings. Any thoughts? Happy New Year to all. I hope the new year brings us all peace, happiness, and prosperity. And fun times with our old cars! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: "MadMarx" ; "Fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > Chris, > These are called AN fittings.B From my experience, they are very reliable > and don't leak if they are in good condition. In your photo, the left end > has a slight taper and is a pipe fitting. It should be wrapped with Teflon > tape. The other end should _not_ be wrapped. I have seen these used on > test engines an dynomometer stands for many hours with no leaks. > > > Doug > dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > Sent from my mobile phone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: MadMarx > Date: 12/31/2014 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Hi @ all, > > hope you are getting well to the next year. > > My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some > of > the them do leak. > Is there any trick to seal them? > I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not > to > destroy them. > > Is there a seal missing in those connectors? > > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg > > Just an example what I mean for the system. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 07:31:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA56E2585005 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:31:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D1AA5258056D for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:13:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21253 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2014 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2014 14:17:15 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id aEHA1p00s1NzpT901EHDiY; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:17:16 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=vMvCflnOSPkWcizgKizuPA==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=ojRePYIazggA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=oNfj_eGqAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=Eu3Qb76lyni4c1E5X0YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [173.31.224.109] (port=60705 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6K5G-00026G-Cb; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:17:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:17:04 -0600 To: "MadMarx" , From: Tony Drews References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.224.109 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net No seal needed on the taper / AN joint. Normally are good sealing nicely reusable fittings. But they are aluminum and if the sealing surface gets damaged would need to be replaced. Cheers, Tony Drews At 05:44 AM 12/31/2014, MadMarx wrote: >Hi @ all, > >hope you are getting well to the next year. > >My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of >the them do leak. >Is there any trick to seal them? >I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to >destroy them. > >Is there a seal missing in those connectors? > >http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg > >Just an example what I mean for the system. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 07:44:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23FC2584FF7 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:44:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCD32580180 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id aEQg1p0092AWL2D01EQjep; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:24:43 +0000 Received: from locutus ([50.170.163.20]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id aEQi1p00D0Sj6Ay01EQijc; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:24:43 +0000 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'MadMarx'" , Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:24:45 -0700 Thread-Index: AdAhbAxIqDrNLkfWQDCuAL7oru8kjgDgsEOAAAATnpAABYjcIA== s=q20140121; t=1420035883; bh=G05j6k5Jb4JgSGrMA+zrobAI82OBh6cuHhAdDYcrOOY=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rZRAtegqmC2+Jcu4jXL7cDDnMCg4nzKofwtZSoGIQwSpw79suG5B2Uh7CHBntDmYG EqR3u3ArIK3Hm7znTpo6zmaHqJr5CmnS8JYhL7LF/R7KYEBLbiEwQj6kzoumpdHDcK rF9TdaFAv+JI/kdk+mtz50TKR4odEg3OhrZ69MqG+qWW+ePoppoMKhALtVZNTPXgUI 148qA9sn/Zz8w8gDO4HU3qgwSC4pyMM8Okg+Sa/aTDCRcFbq+XDmK1/s4b2l7QNAfU xam79Vukp7y2iy4HxM6VcrafLsQF1w+UeqJ0FWwkpoGJ0ap9AT40kF/sYXfD+1NaYy YNSS5Q3z51rcg== Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the non-flared side ? jim g -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 07:44:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D355258528C for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:44:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6462580180 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l15so25552478wiw.2 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:28:12 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=52dXE4aG7IQjYWQf2PrLuvlYIv8VZoBQ3RAkVp7ZK4Y=; b=dwtvtUvt7MBKYrUme+up1odwq8kMI/C+KF+iLkMnC3O4CLVm4UHWgR8HVhsFuqQ7DZ RkXPTnA150i7+MH3e/rPWBV6RghpzdQm8zQeFo/3LpRpEcs9eufP5nbbsxvFq7L94Xip 25RGDfJRv1b3XUsc8k3zeRaV4re1vtuwrC/s181QBGUOTyuLUZVC6Rjgiixxlf6i941o 2giiQ/M+vHY3nSTF1wiOUYTNxCpxJ2oiIXfL+QtsWjZ8KHV3ZM3CG7deINJcqEdYM0II vg6UUBN+Po/2J8G6WedW93lFs3hVOfe+nuwIYLoUeEb0/H1za6W3GBtTRbGtqfxiJupE S0fA== cc10mr133864430wjc.27.1420036092267; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-32-203.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.32.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 18sm57738973wjr.46.2014.12.31.06.28.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4056c.45eb440a.33b6.34fcSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:28:11 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAlBHu/iikm8kG/SjithY+/eJg4DgAANLag Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The connectors look like new. I inspect them when I put the engine back together, I just wanted to make sure in advance that I didn't do anything wrong with them or if anything is missing. Thanks Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:17 An: MadMarx; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors No seal needed on the taper / AN joint. Normally are good sealing nicely reusable fittings. But they are aluminum and if the sealing surface gets damaged would need to be replaced. Cheers, Tony Drews At 05:44 AM 12/31/2014, MadMarx wrote: >Hi @ all, > >hope you are getting well to the next year. > >My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and >some of the them do leak. >Is there any trick to seal them? >I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more >not to destroy them. > >Is there a seal missing in those connectors? > >http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg > >Just an example what I mean for the system. > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 07:44:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477E125852BE for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:44:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5053C2580180 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so25606228wiv.11 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:29:49 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=66a8j+CXjt27dY1vwBTKE/H13FBJh8wKkIssmFfpNgI=; b=GsIo9mHt0LYQBFG/3pT0NcRBAbXTDJW9UFpugm2+eVdFenQj7FU1k5dCM9R2qT5bEh olaVKNPKSIOghgUzTr0SBMLo9K4TfVj6+Lm6lcb118+1UwWFQxPYREz+vA8RRiHb8LqW hZWuZIZmLMmyz3cHwIsQWkC7LViAuAlW9hvLbdvrYsWoF2u1hsQTYnLOY+mlKN5Tf4/c e5BHNahB0qsE+9PWUtCGHjctHFOvPI37UixU9cFXdHzBWkuRigNwWyXzksmdcLVLwu21 0jMaQB6fqdEk6FOargoh8Fp8wTSpKXvZb0Nm4B/6ESw8kM/urfgHd/KcTHzm/AA2gF/U a2hw== up2mr120183040wjc.9.1420036189419; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-85-32-203.web.vodafone.de. [109.85.32.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id et4sm57769392wjd.15.2014.12.31.06.29.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Jim Gray'" , References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:29:48 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAhbAxIqDrNLkfWQDCuAL7oru8kjgDgsEOAAAATnpAABYjcIAAAM//g Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The oils seeps through the taper. When I opened the packet with the connectors there were no o-rings supplied. Is this an extra order? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:25 An: 'MadMarx'; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Chris, Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the non-flared side ? jim g -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 08:29:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95553258539B for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:29:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA5F258533A for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.153.187.19] (mobile-166-171-058-194.mycingular.net [166.171.58.194]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NHG0090BDJM8J20@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:26:13 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-12-31_06:2014-12-30,2014-12-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412080000 definitions=main-1412310155 From: SCOTT JANZEN Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:26:10 -0500 References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <002301d02506$3c9bcf60$b5d36e20$@com> To: MadMarx Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net There are no O-rings in AN fittings. The threaded sleeve that fits over the braided line compresses it onto the fitting (self sealing on the "rubber" hose liner), and the fitting-to- fitting metal seal is precision ground and a tapered fit, and does not require an O-ring seal. These fittings can be disconnected and reconnected many, many times. If there is a leak, there is a nick or cut in something. If you are assembling a new braided line and fitting, the best way I've found to cut the braided line is to wrap it tightly with electrical tape directly adjacent to the cut line, and then use a circular power cut off saw to neatly cut the line, as the braided sheath tends to easily unravel. Sent from my mobile device > On Dec 31, 2014, at 9:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > The oils seeps through the taper. > When I opened the packet with the connectors there were no o-rings supplied. > Is this an extra order? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:25 > An: 'MadMarx'; fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Chris, > Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings > will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the > non-flared side ? > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Hi @ all, > > hope you are getting well to the next year. > > My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of > the them do leak. > Is there any trick to seal them? > I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to > destroy them. > > Is there a seal missing in those connectors? > > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg > > Just an example what I mean for the system. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 08:44:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B322585400 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:44:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c12o149.mxlogic.net (p02c12o149.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B1B258538D for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [173.221.146.51] (EHLO mail.dieselperformanceparts.com) by p02c12o149.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id ea814a45.2af69024c940.30070.00-547.83792.p02c12o149.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [173.221.146.51] (EHLO mail.dieselperformanceparts.com) by p02c12o149.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id d8814a45.0.29853.00-330.83120.p02c12o149.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b]) by DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local ([fe80::b8f5:2ae1:37b2:f00b%10]) with mapi; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:38:52 -0600 From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: 'MadMarx' Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:38:52 -0600 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Thread-Index: AdAhbAxIqDrNLkfWQDCuAL7oru8kjgDgsEOAAAATnpAABYjcIAAAM//gAAI9pjA= References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <002301d02506$3c9bcf60$b5d36e20$@com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US a=EpCmqmUwonNx2x65zUBjwg==] a=kj9] a=YlVTAMxI] a=A92cGCtB03wA:10] a=Jcvz] a=QlccJKjlxdtN8mtA:21 ] a=Ume8oppRF2UA:10 ] Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I bet since they are new they are not galling but at the same time I have had them sort of hang up when tightening them. Drop a drop of the same oil you use in the engine on the threads and also in the inside of the fittings where they spin on themselves to seal. Not the 37 degree angle of the fitting where they seal but back inside where the cap and or nut spins on the fitting. That keeps them from trying to bind when you tighten them and if you have the correct fitting mating with the correct matching male/female ends they will not leak. What brand fittings are these??? Are you sure they are the correct ends to mate together as there are other degree of angle ends other than the common 37 degree ones we all typically use. If you got some different ones mixed together they will leak. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:30 AM To: 'Jim Gray'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors The oils seeps through the taper. When I opened the packet with the connectors there were no o-rings supplied. Is this an extra order? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:25 An: 'MadMarx'; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Chris, Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the non-flared side ? jim g -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 08:59:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6682585483 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:59:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC86825853E1 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] [216.223.227.106] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 4f26001b0344ccb6; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:03:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:03:39 -0700 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: Diesel Performance Parts - Info , 'MadMarx' References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <002301d02506$3c9bcf60$b5d36e20$@com> Cc: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/31/2014 8:38 AM, Diesel Performance Parts - Info wrote: > > What brand fittings are these??? Are you sure they are the correct ends to > mate together as there are other degree of angle ends other than the common 37 > degree ones we all typically use. If you got some different ones mixed > together they will leak. > > Just for Chris' reference, there are two primary standards in the U.S. for such fittings. JIC, which is a 37 deg. fitting (typically used on hydraulic equipment and aircraft), and SAE, which is 45 deg (mostly production automotive use). Mixing the two will not give the proper interference fit to form a good seal, as Mark notes above. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 09:29:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690CC2585414 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:29:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09C325853E1 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:20:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.107]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id aGPx1p0072Ka2Q501GQbME; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:24:35 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-208v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.176.218]) by resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id aGQa1p00c4j68Km01GQa4k; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:24:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: fot (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: TR4 lifter source Thread-Index: 3McRpIgNehJWWdhzAKIZdjaXzQsPVw== s=q20140121; t=1420043075; bh=YMpolQf/wn1OCPlyBo01GOwee4XZKrXi7xAPxVlMM0g=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=j6C1uTVqZG49i0sQExH5A0BR7gfC9l0tz0Ltf5HjksgPXmL3K98FU47gf7k4MIfYH vocOpBZ1OfO6GdfFdWg7S1phV+ZxZPQP4raVqnbQcNcHMwAXFnFRcpTsRKIu1utvCG X5Dk4F+VVZh+CtYzSCHuapxO8h+ti4qOIQrb3db8ZlkUxO66Vo0Las2rv4ZdcRIvcR WFflZJ7n32Rz0XkN7A87SmZmlf/V7zMEnLtVwiuNSpIo/2koBzriA1vLjI9u1QHA/L QfQ7sTrVxce6MB7Irn+mdWswkIgedG07Ne18nmq8F9vrNiRxPVnt1vhNh3k+IeCnzo VNEZ9EW3dA6Kg== Subject: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I'm beginning an engine rebuild and Ken G is out of " good" lifters. BPNW has lifters and claim they test every batch. This from their website. Any feedback on lifters would be appreciated. Jim g B These are Heavy Duty Tappets (lifter) for a Triumph TR3, Triumph TR4, Triumph TR4A. They are lightened and have an extra oil drilled in the side for extra lubrication. Every batch of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. Each tappet will have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard is 50 for tappets. We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other companies and never will because of our dedication to dealing with only quality suppliers. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 09:44:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9B32585581 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:44:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B4A49258004E for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11231 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2014 16:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2014 16:44:41 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id aGkc1p00Q1NzpT901GkfzB; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:44:41 -0700 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=vMvCflnOSPkWcizgKizuPA==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=ojRePYIazggA:10 a=A92cGCtB03wA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=J0PkN6f3kknfr1Ljw-sA:9 a=LZJPobfUH6TVloaJ:21 a=jEC5GTkdPs67Ybrg:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Received: from [173.31.224.109] (port=65458 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Y6MNw-0002Z9-5T; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:44:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:44:30 -0600 To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net,fot From: Tony Drews t> References: <1917349449.13301560.1420042393927.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.224.109 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We tested some from BPNW years ago and they were fine as far as hardness. I run their lifters. However I can't buy their "performance" onces because someone has decided to grind a bevel around the outside edge, reducing the diameter running against the cam. If you run a cam that doesn't require full diameter those are OK too, though. Tony Drews At 10:24 AM 12/31/2014, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >I'm beginning an engine rebuild and Ken G is out of " good" lifters. BPNW has >lifters and claim they test every batch. This from their website. >Any feedback on lifters would be appreciated. >Jim g >B > >These are Heavy Duty Tappets (lifter) for a Triumph TR3, Triumph TR4, Triumph >TR4A. They are lightened and have an extra oil drilled in the side for extra >lubrication. Every batch of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. >Each tappet will have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard >is 50 for tappets. We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other >companies and never will because of our dedication to dealing with only >quality suppliers. >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 10:00:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F1D25853F3 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:00:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC2S15.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s15.hotmail.com [65.55.90.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC02A2580153 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:57:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT407-EAS150 ([65.55.90.73]) by SNT004-OMC2S15.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:01:47 -0800 From: Tony and Annie Garmey Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:01:47 -0800 References: <1917349449.13301560.1420042393927.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <20141231164441.6182925855EC@autox.team.net> To: Tony Drews FILETIME=[7626E6B0:01D0251B] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Greg Solow has the only lifter to use . > On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > > We tested some from BPNW years ago and they were fine as far as hardness. I run their lifters. However I can't buy their "performance" onces because someone has decided to grind a bevel around the outside edge, reducing the diameter running against the cam. If you run a cam that doesn't require full diameter those are OK too, though. > > Tony Drews > > At 10:24 AM 12/31/2014, toodamnfunky@comcast.net wrote: >> I'm beginning an engine rebuild and Ken G is out of " good" lifters. BPNW has >> lifters and claim they test every batch. This from their website. >> Any feedback on lifters would be appreciated. >> Jim g >> B >> >> These are Heavy Duty Tappets (lifter) for a Triumph TR3, Triumph TR4, Triumph >> TR4A. They are lightened and have an extra oil drilled in the side for extra >> lubrication. Every batch of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. >> Each tappet will have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard >> is 50 for tappets. We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other >> companies and never will because of our dedication to dealing with only >> quality suppliers. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony@tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 10:17:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56112258570C for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:17:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p02c11o143.mxlogic.net (p02c11o143.mxlogic.net [208.65.144.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE9C25854DA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:06:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] (EHLO p02c11o143.mxlogic.net) by p02c11o143.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with ESMTP id 40e24a45.2b09e9441940.48911.00-595.131686.p02c11o143.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown [64.88.174.96] by p02c11o143.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.2.0-3) with SMTP id 3ed24a45.0.48337.00-348.131069.p02c11o143.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:09:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from ATLPEXDAG006.xc.lan ([fe80::dc8d:98d4:a80c:1957]) by ATLPEXCAS01.xc.lan ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:08:54 -0500 From: John Hasty To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" , fot Thread-Topic: TR4 lifter source Thread-Index: AdAlHN4yCku/WVYeShKwisr3r0pZsg== Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:08:54 +0000 References: <1917349449.13301560.1420042393927.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.123.236] a=VR8QHrWKYhK80xkEBGCjUg==] a=BLc] a=e66q1VI] a=zOoktvdPAAAA:] a=-3-STsT43MXNO9JEJsQA] a=wPNLvfGTe] a=m3MdUl94G8cA:] Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net We have had good success with the ones made in Troy NC and sold by BF&E John H. Hasty | MULLEN HOLLAND & COOPER P.A. Attorney at Law 301 South York Street (zip: 28052) P.O. Box 488 Gastonia, NC 28053-0488 Telephone: 704.864.6751 | Facsimile: 704.861.8394 JHasty@mhc-law.com | www.mhc-law.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:25 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] TR4 lifter source I'm beginning an engine rebuild and Ken G is out of " good" lifters. BPNW has lifters and claim they test every batch. This from their website. Any feedback on lifters would be appreciated. Jim g B These are Heavy Duty Tappets (lifter) for a Triumph TR3, Triumph TR4, Triumph TR4A. They are lightened and have an extra oil drilled in the side for extra lubrication. Every batch of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. Each tappet will have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard is 50 for tappets. We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other companies and never will because of our dedication to dealing with only quality suppliers. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty@mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 10:18:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A29F2585797 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:18:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3BF25854DA for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:10:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id gq1so48880289obb.12 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:14:19 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x/oXb6NFSniIa1zWuVqmgV3uamBEqZRTuwVjX2zeyfk=; b=nMNc7+8ThIH9/uYFpxrMpnB+Dq7Ke2YSMZzl7VI379jcmu0VwX4PygyAFjcJsxKmQn cUoaBXsm0kVt+VUyexsXs2nX/rp6IJc1FZhHCuqDqTCSQf7eVLa8nAPxGEebFkxDYrGg /gs/hpNcheKdxkFUNWucKeE+8omCojOA77cqn4horf0rdAiLPFbh9bBJ3N8oPDloFHvl 5OqZWDJPj7hTDhl67mweIETdiECMkWfMIuUhZjOqIFzFVt8a+KUDR2CbXqpeD49VLYqH P37lessV06EKtecGPODaLtqsSCuv/mSXoUVFtdCX4Bm//n3Yx6XxbMHgE8xzuwBP5oLp 8/BQ== u187mr37550737oiu.19.1420046059582; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from White-Rabbit-2.local (24-121-63-143.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.63.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n7sm22161286obh.25.2014.12.31.09.14.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:14:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:14:15 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 To: fot@autox.team.net References: <1917349449.13301560.1420042393927.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <20141231164441.6182925855EC@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net On 12/31/14 10:01 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > Greg Solow has the only lifter to use . That is where I got mine. Each lifter hardness tested. TeriAnn _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 10:44:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5432585835 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:44:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EF32585730 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:24:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w62so2651897wes.27 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:28:56 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=NWtNp5eFUGvRaT3P/ZmkIj91eohXs/k06Elv+YFno4Y=; b=hA6wNK0XE5qwQz+52yHpZQ1EWvJbXzVKfyZQaYNNxd7YktOE43n+DSDbn1hYwiPIlA cbdfUzKACDeoK9ZBIYteOvzXvCjxaVauBdesMegex5xySLEfhGqQC7iFX/3w73wW+1fP XBJpCJDlKXUTGNGslHzD0QEeMZwexBpBnR/8AxwQiTDdKgq7wNSTzXrwbXRTDLpoeUtg coQe5E4LUv4sGiDkrSEHcuQD/A2sQmSYPjp85hTx1qXDu2CAgop63FeXdmJYDVuBDVWq /3o7iUlVcg+Pg3s/8XvFaEmOeSv/DSDnveLMkDKgIMSKxNKrlKk4RWDo/+yQ6Ca3C+zz CDxQ== j5mr128651570wjz.106.1420046936490; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home (ip-109-46-34-255.web.vodafone.de. [109.46.34.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a14sm47769507wib.22.2014.12.31.09.28.51 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <002301d02506$3c9bcf60$b5d36e20$@com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:28:13 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAhbAxIqDrNLkfWQDCuAL7oru8kjgDgsEOAAAATnpAABYjcIAAAM//gAAI9pjAAA+BF0A== Content-Language: de Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net The ones which do leak are from A-1 performance plumbing. I also have some more bought of another brand which are seal and dust dry. And with the dry sump tank sitting high a lot of oil is leaving the hoses after a while. Like a lake district. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Diesel Performance Parts - Info [mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 16:39 An: 'MadMarx' Cc: 'fot@autox.team.net' Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors I bet since they are new they are not galling but at the same time I have had them sort of hang up when tightening them. Drop a drop of the same oil you use in the engine on the threads and also in the inside of the fittings where they spin on themselves to seal. Not the 37 degree angle of the fitting where they seal but back inside where the cap and or nut spins on the fitting. That keeps them from trying to bind when you tighten them and if you have the correct fitting mating with the correct matching male/female ends they will not leak. What brand fittings are these??? Are you sure they are the correct ends to mate together as there are other degree of angle ends other than the common 37 degree ones we all typically use. If you got some different ones mixed together they will leak. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:30 AM To: 'Jim Gray'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors The oils seeps through the taper. When I opened the packet with the connectors there were no o-rings supplied. Is this an extra order? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:25 An: 'MadMarx'; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Chris, Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the non-flared side ? jim g -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 12:29:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44D125803C7 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:29:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S18.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s18.hotmail.com [65.55.34.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E79258004E for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:26:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL130-DS7 ([65.55.34.71]) by COL004-OMC2S18.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:31:06 -0800 From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Tony Drews" , "Tony and Annie Garmey" References: <1917349449.13301560.1420042393927.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <20141231164441.6182925855EC@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:31:06 -0500 <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <20141231164441.6182925855EC@autox.team.net> Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:31:06 -0500 FILETIME=[524DE940:01D02530] Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Indeed they are. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Greg Solow has the only lifter to use . _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 12:45:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F0F2584F87 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:45:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B2725800B4 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from rocky ([24.255.156.66]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id aKlP1p0061SE0Kc01KlQY1; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:45:24 -0700 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Bill Tobin" , "Doug Mitchell" , "MadMarx" , "Fot" References: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:47:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net With respect, I disagree with Bill on the pipe dope, which is a bitch to clean off completely when you need to (and can wander into the plumbing just as easily if done wrong). Secret to Teflon tape, do not wrap the tape at the very last thread of the fitting (same for pipe dope if you prefer that). But upon disassembly, the tape is so much easier and cleaner to remove. I've also found if I need a fitting to point to 12 o'clock, but it points somewhere else when tight, an additional wrap of tape can adjust that easily. BTW, proper AN fittings never need tape/dope. The angled seats do the sealing (I crank mine pretty tight, BTW. Also I have the aluminum wrenches, and to my non-engineer "feel" the handles seem to be made to just the right length/leverage to provide the correct fit from hand-tightening). Pipe threads always need the tape/dope. The only leak issues I've experienced have always been with pipe thread fittings. Even with tape/dope. (Issues, that is, not directly attributable to it being a British car! :-) --Rocky Entriken . "There are only three true sports -- bullfighting, mountain climbing and motor racing. The rest are merely games." --Barnaby Conrad (NOT Hemingway) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Doug Mitchell" ; "MadMarx" ; "Fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > Hi, the male seating part of the fitting could possibly have a nick or > scratch, hindering proper sealing. The same with the female connector on > the hose. Most hose connectors can be taken apart and re-used. > I favor pipe dope over the teflon tape; I think it seals better and bits > of teflon tape can wander off down the plumbing system. Just my preference > or course. > The AN fittings don't need brute force when tightening. I wont swear to > it, but excess tightening force could deform the fittings. Any thoughts? > Happy New Year to all. I hope the new year brings us all peace, happiness, > and prosperity. And fun times with our old cars! > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Mitchell" > To: "MadMarx" ; "Fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > >> Chris, >> These are called AN fittings.B From my experience, they are very reliable >> and don't leak if they are in good condition. In your photo, the left end >> has a slight taper and is a pipe fitting. It should be wrapped with >> Teflon tape. The other end should _not_ be wrapped. I have seen these >> used on test engines an dynomometer stands for many hours with no leaks. >> >> >> Doug >> dmitchel@sbcglobal.net >> Sent from my mobile phone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: MadMarx >> Date: 12/31/2014 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00) >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors >> >> Hi @ all, >> >> hope you are getting well to the next year. >> >> My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some >> of >> the them do leak. >> Is there any trick to seal them? >> I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not >> to >> destroy them. >> >> Is there a seal missing in those connectors? >> >> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg >> >> Just an example what I mean for the system. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 12:59:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FA1258500C for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:59:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f175.google.com (mail-we0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249DA258004E for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:47:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id k11so2741641wes.6 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:52:02 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=RWaFU8+X6lpyy7uiX+QtbuykxEyUDP7a7BbFaixv4kU=; b=BSdsK0flpuR2/tqWK2o8nnqKIQEII4LPhVSdXhluutEnapag8zFlOaM/UfSjClCtyr teBcrnyVz8pMUmk4GuZ3MaJn9eTrPifp28uyKruzdsTAmdjUTEjbKJbbT9tthcg7quAY OO142+nNO9TZlUHQVMLtZ7lt/Yb09T/ZgUISDvMsJ9Jx+WlB/cLB4GZHVAadjUGVIfaS MlPTCyTi8H7aYyKDgO0w68e6nY5qB4+C5y4oHjgakahNeUyXo/1XL3Xj+H5W0Y08IWbX kakl3J8Mfkq5VLnGG16iXJOVUBhKg86thGD5N2U0CjqkTiswy8unmVwyx8XAE0Jy999F Jcbg== h1mr117595254wie.10.1420055522820; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Home ([109.46.34.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ej10sm51514668wib.1.2014.12.31.11.52.01 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: "MadMarx" To: "'Rocky Entriken'" , "'Bill Tobin'" , "'Doug Mitchell'" , "'Fot'" References: <8DC902F1C45F461D956989DFB4995EAA@rocky> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:51:23 +0100 Thread-Index: AdAlMlK2JTrPKXr4RNajijj+LU9TzwAAH6pQ Content-Language: de Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe even American connector technology is helpless against the will of oil to leave British engines :-) Designed to drip as my father said....he had an engineering degree of Cambridge on top of the German engineering degree. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rocky Entriken [mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 20:48 An: Bill Tobin; Doug Mitchell; MadMarx; Fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors With respect, I disagree with Bill on the pipe dope, which is a bitch to clean off completely when you need to (and can wander into the plumbing just as easily if done wrong). Secret to Teflon tape, do not wrap the tape at the very last thread of the fitting (same for pipe dope if you prefer that). But upon disassembly, the tape is so much easier and cleaner to remove. I've also found if I need a fitting to point to 12 o'clock, but it points somewhere else when tight, an additional wrap of tape can adjust that easily. BTW, proper AN fittings never need tape/dope. The angled seats do the sealing (I crank mine pretty tight, BTW. Also I have the aluminum wrenches, and to my non-engineer "feel" the handles seem to be made to just the right length/leverage to provide the correct fit from hand-tightening). Pipe threads always need the tape/dope. The only leak issues I've experienced have always been with pipe thread fittings. Even with tape/dope. (Issues, that is, not directly attributable to it being a British car! :-) --Rocky Entriken . "There are only three true sports -- bullfighting, mountain climbing and motor racing. The rest are merely games." --Barnaby Conrad (NOT Hemingway) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Doug Mitchell" ; "MadMarx" ; "Fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > Hi, the male seating part of the fitting could possibly have a nick or > scratch, hindering proper sealing. The same with the female connector on > the hose. Most hose connectors can be taken apart and re-used. > I favor pipe dope over the teflon tape; I think it seals better and bits > of teflon tape can wander off down the plumbing system. Just my preference > or course. > The AN fittings don't need brute force when tightening. I wont swear to > it, but excess tightening force could deform the fittings. Any thoughts? > Happy New Year to all. I hope the new year brings us all peace, happiness, > and prosperity. And fun times with our old cars! > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Mitchell" > To: "MadMarx" ; "Fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > >> Chris, >> These are called AN fittings.B From my experience, they are very reliable >> and don't leak if they are in good condition. In your photo, the left end >> has a slight taper and is a pipe fitting. It should be wrapped with >> Teflon tape. The other end should _not_ be wrapped. I have seen these >> used on test engines an dynomometer stands for many hours with no leaks. >> >> >> Doug >> dmitchel@sbcglobal.net >> Sent from my mobile phone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: MadMarx >> Date: 12/31/2014 6:44 AM (GMT-05:00) >> To: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors >> >> Hi @ all, >> >> hope you are getting well to the next year. >> >> My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some >> of >> the them do leak. >> Is there any trick to seal them? >> I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not >> to >> destroy them. >> >> Is there a seal missing in those connectors? >> >> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg >> >> Just an example what I mean for the system. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel@sbcglobal.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 15:30:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ED6258524A for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:30:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086E32580405 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:18:56 -0700 (MST) s=s2048; t=1420064584; bh=+rVcXDbjSls5+jpzDknyKjPwDvlMsguAEtT2OoqjLBg=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=qUa+7nsdGQ9e3p0+KEGsSDSwcGGjPGvgQldtzl1UKPNLOdi4APJIyfAyS3rrhbgdtS0E6VpjmJbVL/hrmxN3g480KjcR6ZlgrjfmVUPUhyIlAB0w/DunxEzsOMWRDuq8Qkmo641vzVdhUFU0SE1MCPp9dtoKDB0KlOD+IwCV2fOzelBaRNQ7xBQZklq/7AeRMFvnn0RcmIcpZk15qHeggJRjGkqUM1hOK/uPgBiIKnrS3gtzZISFHOIamKk5BfPghh2YC3MH4BVZLKBL72ANq5pppzRgE32WZTWIrSkPFdXSY6LLyIioNUS4jucgMvhaQAF60tQ3upa/0isjRASDqw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=BzcCz+A21AiJZdtUVIaA6FRCY0oyloE6ZkfZIPzPK2Dyak7kt4fM4Ds+rodOdHsEa1h0lyMgKMbHssyS3E8vCTDArlyZ9Dxau3fPsG/2rX4Y0dPq7ES8iPV/wz8/BeMLbiXx938lCee+iuDEkB5NOabT2eUF2XLL5686bXH40xCaY8l8DiOnO2HlAlhtL2yxnS5AsE03168HtUVWADAsA6HHWGuaSaFw4k+sDlEX/YT0LScze9ABOpjx73cgSiV/mL4ZxlIVjw+Xjkhlbi2hnGzzO5oIVlUXCT81LpXJQZqrkXpjJ65laq1FDn5FwldyWIK0EIWOZDQsgj6hkdmGgg==; Received: from [98.138.100.116] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 22:23:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.115] by tm107.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 22:23:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2014 22:23:04 -0000 c95T.nXtHAluiUzUxUp_FGdLTgo8sZhoLRPSENLvic03Hmvif4ojR3DSfZco viudNhgFEqibR.XscKLKZA7Fmx4QcU2LypbwL49PquCWpVY2pJBjSqtu3fti 3Fd4M46Itr80_xrtpE0l9zFBj296t4Y7gFPbSrc1azE8eyAqE9dy9etKUn9O Mgat5A4Z310txUHBu9xeXL1KGNIpSryZiOgbMXvnbWjS1p158tqqFGBF2uVk SRMcFGP2lW59ltOuq6TCGWmfh8lTCMOS4K_zldBfrGEoHLnQe2preSYzigBk UbGx26.3GrYts1S6M.a_KOAsrGH6Kub5NO2Gbs89zltyngOJ3M1m_zxdITrj ibDTAHcfUTtyhkRlsxbgm1ZFoEePxztM4zby_IX4SlsJ_uHXDhBnX_sgtSk_ HA9fdUmBFa0eeWG6M89FW5_GvHgMn6AYMIi9zKyJPtKqgEtFGLmZKc6QaeyL HpCb0dCfQojWKJAJWgYLY9i.BTYGscXQglpYYj3rIIWA.88fVUHhqqYeVbGY mU3K9BpxFgUJwQZmHE43vHt.RtUzAuYXfE6LwvkUxsZln.g-- To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" , fot From: Brian Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:22:43 -0500 References: <1917349449.13301560.1420042393927.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <61250320.13310443.1420043074725.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net I have BP Northwest tappets in my GT6 with the same cam for about 5 race seasons. They are the HD set I believe is how they were advertised at the time. Not sure about the radiused edge. The cam is a race cam from Cambridge Motorsport. All other parts I have purchased from BPNW have been good quality. Brian Foster, RI -----Original Message----- From: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" Sent: b12/b31/b2014 11:33 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] TR4 lifter source I'm beginning an engine rebuild and Ken G is out of " good" lifters. BPNW has lifters and claim they test every batch. This from their website. Any feedback on lifters would be appreciated. Jim g B These are Heavy Duty Tappets (lifter) for a Triumph TR3, Triumph TR4, Triumph TR4A. They are lightened and have an extra oil drilled in the side for extra lubrication. Every batch of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. Each tappet will have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard is 50 for tappets. We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other companies and never will because of our dedication to dealing with only quality suppliers. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 15:30:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7DC2585275 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:30:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from oms-m06.mx.aol.com (oms-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.233.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8792580405 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oms-m06.mx.aol.com (AOL Outbound OMS Interface) with ESMTPS id A137138003254 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaomg-mbb01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbb01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.111]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9482F7003545B; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-lga01d.mail.aol.com (core-lga01.mail.aol.com [10.76.11.1]) by mtaomg-mbb01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 22FF338000081; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <002301d02506$3c9bcf60$b5d36e20$@com> To: sjanzen@me.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com Received: from 98.77.43.125 by webmail-m231.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.174) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:22:01 -0500 From: fubog1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:22:02 -0500 x-aol-global-disposition: S s=20140625; t=1420064522; bh=dEWzECToQHr2DdGiv4KJb5W1XpUXEL/HNMyWtcwhaFI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H7r0YqcueY2ZNdZyN1hRc0gcrSkk1TcUu+9Lc+zYkWNgEgfRYK3YCdNNV9mSWXIDp lXLh8foyxwmFrCOBnQUX0wq7N3XeMShVxTe25Qyul1jD9eMzZ0zobh94+oBbQlGXRx 4u84WzKzgNVczmHQ1ou2TLOKRmsGzytNikRBBNEA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe6f54a4770a496a Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Yes AN flare fittings will absolutely NOT leak if properly fitted, and there is no type of seal or sealer used. Glen -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT JANZEN To: MadMarx Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors There are no O-rings in AN fittings. The threaded sleeve that fits over the braided line compresses it onto the fitting (self sealing on the "rubber" hose liner), and the fitting-to- fitting metal seal is precision ground and a tapered fit, and does not require an O-ring seal. These fittings can be disconnected and reconnected many, many times. If there is a leak, there is a nick or cut in something. If you are assembling a new braided line and fitting, the best way I've found to cut the braided line is to wrap it tightly with electrical tape directly adjacent to the cut line, and then use a circular power cut off saw to neatly cut the line, as the braided sheath tends to easily unravel. Sent from my mobile device > On Dec 31, 2014, at 9:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > The oils seeps through the taper. > When I opened the packet with the connectors there were no o-rings supplied. > Is this an extra order? > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:25 > An: 'MadMarx'; fot@autox.team.net > Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Chris, > Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings > will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the > non-flared side ? > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors > > Hi @ all, > > hope you are getting well to the next year. > > My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of > the them do leak. > Is there any trick to seal them? > I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to > destroy them. > > Is there a seal missing in those connectors? > > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg > > Just an example what I mean for the system. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen@me.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 15:59:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81680258537F for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:59:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out3.external.iinet.net.au (unknown [203.59.1.219]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A686725800C6 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:44:09 -0700 (MST) d="scan'208";a="68666876" Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([125.209.156.119]) by icp-osb-irony-out3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2015 06:48:03 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'MadMarx'" , "'Diesel Performance Parts - Info'" References: <001001d024ef$27362d30$75a28790$@com> <54a4072b.01f7e50a.1ece.ffffd7f1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <002301d02506$3c9bcf60$b5d36e20$@com> <000301d0251f$2b6f6940$824e3bc0$@com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:48:03 +1100 Thread-Index: AdAhbAxIqDrNLkfWQDCuAL7oru8kjgDgsEOAAAATnpAABYjcIAAAM//gAAI9pjAAA+BF0AALRncw Content-Language: en-au Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Chris, If the other brands have remained dry? Sounds like the seats on the A-1 units are NOT uniform. Replace it. Only way to cure an issue with an irregular seat etc. Cheers.... "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfir MkII _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, 1 January 2015 4:28 AM To: 'Diesel Performance Parts - Info' Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors The ones which do leak are from A-1 performance plumbing. I also have some more bought of another brand which are seal and dust dry. And with the dry sump tank sitting high a lot of oil is leaving the hoses after a while. Like a lake district. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Diesel Performance Parts - Info [mailto:info@dieselperformanceparts.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 16:39 An: 'MadMarx' Cc: 'fot@autox.team.net' Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors I bet since they are new they are not galling but at the same time I have had them sort of hang up when tightening them. Drop a drop of the same oil you use in the engine on the threads and also in the inside of the fittings where they spin on themselves to seal. Not the 37 degree angle of the fitting where they seal but back inside where the cap and or nut spins on the fitting. That keeps them from trying to bind when you tighten them and if you have the correct fitting mating with the correct matching male/female ends they will not leak. What brand fittings are these??? Are you sure they are the correct ends to mate together as there are other degree of angle ends other than the common 37 degree ones we all typically use. If you got some different ones mixed together they will leak. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:30 AM To: 'Jim Gray'; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum connectors The oils seeps through the taper. When I opened the packet with the connectors there were no o-rings supplied. Is this an extra order? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2014 15:25 An: 'MadMarx'; fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Chris, Some fittings are made to use a rubber o-ring. My sandwich plate AN fittings will leak without the o-rings, Is it the flared side that leaks or is it the non-flared side ? jim g -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:45 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Aluminum connectors Hi @ all, hope you are getting well to the next year. My car has many oil lines and also a lot of aluminum connectors and some of the them do leak. Is there any trick to seal them? I think that I have tighten them enough and hesitate to tighten more not to destroy them. Is there a seal missing in those connectors? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41P918-F13L.jpg Just an example what I mean for the system. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/info@dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic@netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 17:14:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F236E258081C for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:14:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720BB2580180 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from b4.c8.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.104]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t0108aGM014030 for fot@autox.team.net; Thu, 1 Jan 2015 00:08:36 GMT Sensitivity: Normal To: "FOT" From: gasket.works@gte.net Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 00:08:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Tr4 cam followers Lifters.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Several years ago I got fed up with available lifters. So, I had them made with the help of other FoT members. I asked one of our brilliant metallurgists what metal to use. We decided on A2 tool steel. Easy to design on CAD. Made several sets. Have used one set through many seasons. Different motors, cams and still look near new. They rockwell tested near 62 - 63 if I recall. Almost Mirror face finnish. Flat face. Same thing with intake / exhaust gaskets (probably had 2000 made). M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 31 17:59:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27CF2580153 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:59:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f173.google.com (mail-yk0-f173.google.com [209.85.160.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526442580153 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 19so8041529ykq.4 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jVArHvDr208poVB8Ec+h+06z1Q+nydkEMHjhi1nw/Ag=; b=daUy1eROYJ4oD/TfQdQAt/0wRZjFtrgnWgQQ72iU/hz1amnFUGzmON3SjgLtdRvVxv Vo8CJiZmHcdTzfshOaA1ewbKmL1yYbXRBAj1ueIGpFEphExWey2GU76o3RgA4E2bM7Tj QPFi+nSGg9bTXnliMt4xl5v2Nxklxj292FYyzkasvJ3MJMAibOR2WBD5zWI0R7KwqDFl Qi/iNfgwWQvbweRBRDw9ENBGvnG985J/EwuDWo4c84hvHwvZQiSGP9+H7Xj1sNmnCT1L nMD/mqIrFE9FXPsiCedE2d2tTvQ81PSTj+IJEUFf+hsqu8vFv8Gk9fzmElOaQQBEx4a1 1JUA== p2mr51707875ykf.1.1420074225311; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.75.65 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) References: <146749014-1420070915-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1675873090-@b4.c8.bise6.blackberry> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:03:45 -0500 From: robert bownes To: gasket.works@gte.net Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr4 cam followers Lifters.. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone ever found a decent replacement lifter for the 6 cylinder engines? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, wrote: > Several years ago I got fed up with available lifters. So, I had them > made with the help of other FoT members. I asked one of our brilliant > metallurgists what metal to use. We decided on A2 tool steel. Easy to > design on CAD. Made several sets. Have used one set through many seasons. > Different motors, cams and still look near new. They rockwell tested near > 62 - 63 if I recall. Almost Mirror face finnish. Flat face. > > Same thing with intake / exhaust gaskets (probably had 2000 made). > > M > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes@web9.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive