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Lots of fun. You didn't miss much as the final race went from slightly damp to wet. Great weekend though; VRG puts on a good show. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure > Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. > Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. > Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something > stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 05:47:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9BE2587E39 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1741F2580475 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.223.207]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 915DB70000089; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ana04c.mail.aol.com (core-ana04.mail.aol.com [172.27.9.14]) by mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3E1B23800008A; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Gt6steve@aol.com Full-name: Gt6steve Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:47:09 -0400 To: sjanzen@me.com, fot@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20150623; t=1436788030; bh=N/QeARoeRJbOqpIsNfCImxZaXCVr7PJhA4g+g7qLvdY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sEiNxT4prAezeUqVcbS0RwJYJ2DsZnAFvfB/qLh+RWgMBXv0sKXKpFC0LK5tNxC2C YzhCISVn0Qx2PSCHdBmfLW7OerRcELfvld7qq6MSsQWqFU4sw5FMoKhxMwX2HuvrVU dJY8QCT7vTAWuA87NCRy0t63ItMlCpKZKvw5McQc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adfcf55a3a53d2c84 Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6514691641838054144== --part1_10626a.6e45d796.42d4ff3d_boundary Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit its a consumable use good oil... In a message dated 7/12/2015 12:06:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sjanzen@me.com writes: Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve@aol.com --part1_10626a.6e45d796.42d4ff3d_boundary Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

its a consumable use good oil...

In a message dated 7/12/2015 12:06:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 sjanzen@me.com writes:

Mine=20 disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last= one=20 did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this= a=20 consumable item, or swap to something stronger? What are other vin= tage=20 racers doing?

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--part1_10626a.6e45d796.42d4ff3d_boundary-- --===============6514691641838054144== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6514691641838054144==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 07:15:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACA4258825C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com (nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com [17.158.72.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE852585024 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.30] (c-68-80-11-16.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.80.11.16]) by nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NRF00NDPGSR3F10@nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:14:55 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-07-13_09:2015-07-11,2015-07-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1507130190 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:15:00 -0400 References: <2B644680-9C71-4BF9-8113-F32A762695A7@gmail.com> <6268F863-C031-48DF-A368-8C1DC91B73C7@ponostyle.com> <8CDA9F6D-ED5D-4AC8-B5A2-19ABD93C89D3@gmail.com> To: Joe Alexander Cc: Bill Babcock , "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Fot] South wick axle Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7586755047682834252== boundary="Apple-Mail=_A95D4D45-51E5-487B-A082-2F06B1A1A7A9" --Apple-Mail=_A95D4D45-51E5-487B-A082-2F06B1A1A7A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii looking at some old email chains on this subject, it appears that = Southwick uses Moser circle track axles made for the 8" or 9" ford, but = modified by Moser for the Tr splines and correct length. Here's a = couple of emails from John Styduhar, who converted his TR3 himself, and = from Tony Drews on the subject. > When the first copycat was done, we sent the stock axle to Moser and = they machined their axles based on the dimensions of the stockers. The = Ford axle housing ends can be purchased through several sources. Now if = you want to purchase Moser axles for a TR4, they will need the correct = length for these axles.=20 > My "copycat" Southwick conversion on a TR3 rear axle uses the 9" small = Ford > housing ends (the housing ID for the sealed bearing is 2.835"). The = last > step on the housing end is removed and then fits perfectly over the = axle > tube (2.25"OD) for welding. The Ford axle housing fits right up = against > the small locating tab which located the outer leaf spring u-bolt, so > orientation for track width is easy. Moser engineering sells the = 24-spline > axles for $370.00, bearings and wedding band retainers installed for > $75.00, and they can drill the stud holes on a 4x4.5 pattern for = whatever > wheel stud knurl diameter you are using. Make sure to have them drill = an > access hole in the flange to make it easy to install and remove the = axle > without taking the brakes apart. Same setup for TR4 but longer axles = as > you TR4 guys and gals already know. Like Tony mentioned, the brake = backing > plates will need to be modified for the 4-bolt bearing retainer = (backing > plate ID needs to be enlarged slightly to slip over the bearing and = the 4 > mounting holes for the C-shaped retainer need to be drilled). As = another > patron mentioned, you can mock everything up and do your welding in = situ. > While your welding, go ahead and weld the axle tubes to the pumpkin = for > stiffening. >> The "Southwick Rear Axle Conversion" uses Ford 8" axles that are cut = down >> in length and re-splined for the TR-differential. The outer end of = the >> axle tube is cut off and the outboard end of a Ford 8" axle tube is = welded >> on. It is possible that someone sells just that outer end of the = axle >> tube. The backing plates are machined in the center to have a larger >> diameter hole and holes are drilled for the 4 bolts which hold the = axle >> bearing into the housing. >>=20 >> These axles are a one piece design - the hub / flange is part of the = axle >> shaft. The outer bearing is pressed on and an inner retainer is = pressed on >> to hold the bearing in place. It is a sealed bearing, so acts as the >> bearing AND the outer seal. There is an o-ring which goes around the >> outside of the bearing to seal that area too. >>=20 >> Those axles don't normally break. Stock Car racers bounce them off = of >> concrete walls and just bend them. And, if they DO break, they break >> between the outer bearing and the differential so that the wheel = stays on >> the car. --Apple-Mail=_A95D4D45-51E5-487B-A082-2F06B1A1A7A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii

When the first copycat was done, we sent the stock axle to = Moser and they machined their axles based on the dimensions of the = stockers. The Ford axle housing ends can be purchased through = several sources. Now if you want to purchase Moser axles for = a TR4, they will need the correct length for these = axles.

My "copycat" = Southwick conversion on a TR3 rear axle uses the 9" small = Ford
housing ends (the housing ID for the sealed bearing is 2.835"). = The last
step on the housing end is removed and then fits = perfectly over the axle
tube (2.25"OD) for welding. The Ford = axle housing fits right up against
the small locating tab which = located the outer leaf spring u-bolt, so
orientation for track width = is easy. Moser engineering sells the 24-spline
axles for = $370.00, bearings and wedding band retainers installed for
$75.00, = and they can drill the stud holes on a 4x4.5 pattern for = whatever
wheel stud knurl diameter you are using. Make sure to = have them drill an
access hole in the flange to make it easy to = install and remove the axle
without taking the brakes apart. = Same setup for TR4 but longer axles as
you TR4 guys and gals = already know. Like Tony mentioned, the brake backing
plates = will need to be modified for the 4-bolt bearing retainer = (backing
plate ID needs to be enlarged slightly to slip over the = bearing and the 4
mounting holes for the C-shaped retainer need to be = drilled). As another
patron mentioned, you can mock everything = up and do your welding in situ.
While your welding, go ahead and weld = the axle tubes to the pumpkin = for
stiffening.

<= /div>

The "Southwick = Rear Axle Conversion" uses Ford 8" axles that are cut = down
in length and re-splined = for the TR-differential. The outer end of = the
axle tube is cut off and = the outboard end of a Ford 8" axle tube is = welded
on. It is = possible that someone sells just that outer end of the = axle
tube. The backing = plates are machined in the center to have a = larger
diameter hole and holes = are drilled for the 4 bolts which hold the = axle
bearing into the = housing.

These axles are = a one piece design - the hub / flange is part of the = axle
shaft. The outer = bearing is pressed on and an inner retainer is pressed = on
to hold the bearing in = place. It is a sealed bearing, so acts as = the
bearing AND the outer = seal. There is an o-ring which goes around = the
outside of the bearing to = seal that area too.

Those axles = don't normally break. Stock Car racers bounce them off = of
concrete walls and just = bend them. And, if they DO break, they = break
between the outer = bearing and the differential so that the wheel stays = on
the = car.

= --Apple-Mail=_A95D4D45-51E5-487B-A082-2F06B1A1A7A9-- --===============7586755047682834252== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7586755047682834252==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 07:26:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB9E258826C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s16.hotmail.com [65.55.111.91]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BF925844C5 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W8 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S16.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 06:24:02 -0700 From: marty To: FOT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:24:02 -0400 Importance: Normal FILETIME=[2F63BEF0:01D0BD6F] Subject: [Fot] The Good, The Bad, The ugly Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5331304228790080048== boundary="_185c44f1-04b5-493b-b624-cb0508014a31_" --_185c44f1-04b5-493b-b624-cb0508014a31_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The good. I ran the newly revised PittRace circuit this past weekend. WOW. = It is incredible. I liked the old track but the new track is 2.8 miles long= =2C major elevation changes=2C blind corners=2C downhill esses=2C lots and = lots and lots of paved paddock space=2C three showers located throughout th= e paddock. VRG does an incredible job putting this event on each July. This= is a must do on my calendar from now on. My suggestion to you is try it! =20 The bad. Car ran great all weekend and driver did surprisingly well. I was = happy as a pig in mud. The game plan for Sunday was to do the morning sessi= on and skip out on the afternoon session as rain was heading our way and du= e to hit around midafternoon. Went out for the morning session and two laps= in a cylinder dropped out. Easy fix=2C when I had the distributer cap off = to check the points the night before I must have partially popped a wire lo= ose and it came out on track during that session. =20 The ugly. Since the morning session was a washout I decided to stick around= and run the afternoon session. Had an awesome race going. Passing=2C getti= ng passed and dicing it out with three cars close to mine in performance. I= was grinning ear to ear until an Alpha Romeo GTV spun and shot across the = racing surface and t-boned me. Nothing I could do to avoid him and since he= had about 1000 pounds on me I lost. I am hoping the frame did not get ben= t but it looks like I will need a bonnet=2C driver=92s door=2C Drivers side= suspension components=2C a TR8 wheel=2C possibly a steering rack=2C possib= ly a radiator=2C front valance. That=92s what I can conclude from a visual = inspection once I got home and got the car off the trailer. Bummed but as t= hey say=2C that=92s racin. =20 Marty = --_185c44f1-04b5-493b-b624-cb0508014a31_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=3B

The bad. Car ran great = all weekend and driver did surprisingly well. I was happy as a pig in mud. = The game plan for Sunday was to do the morning session and skip out on the = afternoon session as rain was heading our way and due to hit around midafte= rnoon. Went out for the morning session and two laps in a cylinder dropped = out. Easy fix=2C when I had the distributer cap off to check the points the= night before I must have partially popped a wire loose and it came out on = track during that session.

=3B

The ugly. Since the mor= ning session was a washout I decided to stick around and run the afternoon = session. Had an awesome race going. Passing=2C getting passed and dicing it= out with three cars close to mine in performance. I was grinning ear to ea= r until an Alpha Romeo GTV spun and shot across the racing surface and t-bo= ned me. Nothing I could do to avoid him and since he had about 1000 pounds = on me I lost. =3B I am hoping = the frame did not get bent but it looks like I will need a bonnet=2C driver= =92s door=2C Drivers side suspension components=2C a TR8 wheel=2C possibly = a steering rack=2C possibly a radiator=2C front valance. That=92s what I ca= n conclude from a visual inspection once I got home and got the car off the= trailer. Bummed but as they say=2C that=92s racin.

=3B

Marty

= --_185c44f1-04b5-493b-b624-cb0508014a31_-- --===============5331304228790080048== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5331304228790080048==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 08:12:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B062585717 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF6025844F2 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pdbep18 with SMTP id ep18so226332997pdb.1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nnaHG1kbNIlUj5DuJcVFWJbBfotoDdECQ9xwvddlP4k=; b=YF/uCWeQZI2QRuQLMAOyKAOm88n449paFN6knGFl9ZVSdDg3Pph+cw7yzvlraoOxB2 ar/cnBDXCf845vh9cqlPiK2bd/ntr0t4bVJ0wd2PdCuWieXbUtQ3tpfSEGNnOzI7bJUC Q1CrW3cQMN8H9a1IYB11Hfs/XhpSpeMnB5TiGxTIBBqSax6vOTdjJ/MoM6h2IC4AG/Nn 7iSOKpX88x1z4fLM7WJcdBDdPj7Mrb2OCcZlTM0qu2lqEGc7muKArzTPWf0MiJW8lFYj cBuqsI2sCiu/yA12ralxtZMDu9SmzQRLH2CBGzsqy8sRv1rHD/zUQal9qqDy/1MpNNTI bf9A== Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.218.164 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 07:12:58 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:12:58 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6583608643065016681== --047d7bfd0b789c1a29051ac251e1 I agree that it is consumable. A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projects. Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recommends. I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the car. Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant focus to smooth transition between the gears. And really important is super smooth take-offs. I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with me most of the time. He is never afraid to remind me of this. And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off. something like.... "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" or "Easy take off". Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment taking off to hit the track. One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the differential. I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts... We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is. This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. > Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. > Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something > stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? > > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com > > > --047d7bfd0b789c1a29051ac251e1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that it is consumable.

A change to= something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that= mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related proje= cts.

Likely a costly and complex endeavor=C2=A0to say the least.=

Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Ste= ve recommends.

I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to = be doing great with the car.

Begin Public Service = announcement to all FoT...

That being said, (espec= ially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly abou= t how you need to treat the drivetrain.

Perhaps most importantly = on this issue=C2=A0is careful driving=C2=A0with a constant focus to=C2=A0sm= ooth transition between the gears.

And really important is super = smooth take-offs.

I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer= of all time) at the track with me most of the time.

He=C2=A0is n= ever afraid to remind me of this.

And does so=C2=A0on a regular b= asis when I'm leaving the grid.

Even after all these years of= coaching he will still often=C2=A0yell at me through my helmet prior to ta= king off.

something like....

=C2=A0"Ride that F$#&= amp;%ng clutch baby!!"

or "Easy take off".

<= div>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense = moment=C2=A0taking off to hit the track.

One slip of the foot or = abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the differential.

I = can trace most of my differential failures back to=C2=A0sketchy shift trans= itions or abrupt starts...

We all hate to admit that an equipment= failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is.

This was an FoT=C2=A0Public Service Announcement...

Brough= t to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski=

Friendly Ghost Racing=C2=A0

1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

<= br>

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen= <= sjanzen@me.com> wrote:

Mine= disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last o= ne did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronge= r?=C2=A0 What are other vintage racers doing?

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To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6007754608198329237== boundary="Apple-Mail=_41B4C568-47E5-4E4C-910C-5744DBC87997" --Apple-Mail=_41B4C568-47E5-4E4C-910C-5744DBC87997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a = steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second = gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I = approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not = do the diff any good. Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very = "vintage". Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a = difference? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil. I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out. On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: I agree that it is consumable. A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all = the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of = other related projects. Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve = recommends. I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with = the car. Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind = yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a = constant focus to smooth transition between the gears. And really important is super smooth take-offs. I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track = with me most of the time. He is never afraid to remind me of this. And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me = through my helmet prior to taking off. something like.... "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" or "Easy take off". Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense = moment taking off to hit the track. One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the = differential. I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift = transitions or abrupt starts... We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, = speaking for myself, I know it often is. This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing=20 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars =20 =20 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. = Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something = stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com --Apple-Mail=_41B4C568-47E5-4E4C-910C-5744DBC87997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii

Question - has anyone checked the oil = temp, and would cooling make a difference? I do run Redline 75-85 = gear oil.

I will report back and send carnage = photos when I get it out.

On Jul 13, 2015, at = 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I agree that = it is consumable.

A change to something different would seem = to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could = turn into a whole new set of other related projects.

Likely a = costly and complex endeavor to say the least.

Knowing = you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve = recommends.

I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to = be doing great with the car.

Begin Public = Service announcement to all FoT...

That being = said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself = regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.

Perhaps = most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a = constant focus to smooth transition between the = gears.

And really important is super smooth = take-offs.

I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all = time) at the track with me most of the time.

He is never = afraid to remind me of this.

And does so on a regular = basis when I'm leaving the grid.

Even after all these years of = coaching he will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to = taking off.

something like....

"Ride that = F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"

or "Easy take off". =

Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a = tense moment taking off to hit the track.

One slip of the = foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the = differential.

I can trace most of my differential failures = back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...

We = all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, = speaking for myself, I know it often is.

This was an = FoT Public Service Announcement...

Brought to you by = Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason = Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing

1969 Triumph = GT6+ Racecars

On Sun, Jul 12, = 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:

Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race = yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years = ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something = stronger? What are other vintage racers doing?

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<0A3CD8EB-80AA-43B3-A152-5D3DE4D4F5F3@me.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:17:11 -0500 From: Jason Ostrowski To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3063019726858697917== --001a11c324f83c041a051ac33769 Ah yes...Cooling. While you have it out maybe it's worth while to see about adding a temp gauge back there. I think its usually done at the oil plug but I'm not sure. That would seem to perhaps help in preventing a minor fail turn into a major explosion. I much enjoyed the thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance TR6's a while back. I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing some of the options for Chump car guys. The unit was mounted in the modified wheel well if I remember correctly. The tough part for our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and plumbing. Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6? If so, how was it set up? Thanks! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a > steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second > gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I > approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do > the diff any good. > > Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very > "vintage". > > Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a > difference? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil. > > I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out. > > On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > > I agree that it is consumable. > A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all > the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other > related projects. > Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. > Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve > recommends. > I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the > car. > > Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... > > That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind > yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. > Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant > focus to smooth transition between the gears. > And really important is super smooth take-offs. > I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with > me most of the time. > He is never afraid to remind me of this. > And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. > Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me > through my helmet prior to taking off. > something like.... > "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" > or "Easy take off". > Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense > moment taking off to hit the track. > One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the > differential. > I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift > transitions or abrupt starts... > We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, > speaking for myself, I know it often is. > This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... > Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. >> Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. >> Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something >> stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com >> >> >> > > --001a11c324f83c041a051ac33769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ah yes...Cooling.

While you have it out may= be it's worth while to see about adding a temp gauge back there.

<= div>I think its usually done at the oil plug but I'm not sure.

That would seem to perhaps help=C2=A0in=C2=A0preventing a minor fail turn= into a major explosion.=C2=A0

I much enjoyed the = thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance TR6's a while b= ack.

I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing some o= f the options for Chump car guys.

The unit was mounted=C2=A0in t= he modified wheel well if I remember correctly.

The tough part fo= r our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and plumbing.

= Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6?

= If so, how was it set up?

Thanks!

Jason = Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing

1969 Triumph GT6+ Racec= ars

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><sj= anzen@me.com> wrote:

thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging thro= ugh the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track,= downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating= , then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphil= l climb.=C2=A0 I'm sure that did not do the diff any good.

Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel = very "vintage".

Question - has anyone chec= ked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference?=C2=A0 I do run Redli= ne 75-85 gear oil.

I will report back and send car= nage photos when I get it out.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I agree that it is consumable.
A change to somethi= ng different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to= it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projects.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor=C2=A0to say the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recom= mends.
I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing= great with the car.

Begin Public Service announce= ment to all FoT...

That being said, (especially th= e faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how yo= u need to treat the drivetrain.
Perhaps most importantly on this = issue=C2=A0is careful driving=C2=A0with a constant focus to=C2=A0smooth tra= nsition between the gears.
And really important is super smooth t= ake-offs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all = time) at the track with me most of the time.
He=C2=A0is never afr= aid to remind me of this.
And does so=C2=A0on a regular basis whe= n I'm leaving the grid.
Even after all these years of coachin= g he will still often=C2=A0yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off= .
something like....
=C2=A0"Ride that F$#&%ng = clutch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
Wisd= om I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment= =C2=A0taking off to hit the track.
One slip of the foot or abrupt= start is all it takes to do damage to the differential.
I can tr= ace most of my differential failures back to=C2=A0sketchy shift transitions= or abrupt starts...
We all hate to admit that an equipment failu= re is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is.
This was an FoT=C2=A0Public Service Announcement...
Brought to y= ou by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski
=
Friendly Ghost Racing=C2=A0
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanze= n@me.com> wrote:
Mine disintegrated in = a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same th= ing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronge= r?=C2=A0 What are other vintage racers doing?

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--001a11c324f83c041a051ac33769-- --===============3063019726858697917== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3063019726858697917==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 10:05:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06822580593 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s5.hotmail.com [65.55.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3972258047F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W83 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:05:52 -0700 From: marty To: FOT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:05:51 -0400 Importance: Normal FILETIME=[CA9AFF80:01D0BD85] Subject: [Fot] The Bad Part Two Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0435662133403160265== boundary="_6e813200-bc7a-40bb-ab96-1b974bdc7b5b_" --_6e813200-bc7a-40bb-ab96-1b974bdc7b5b_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A little follow up. On a lighter note. I told the corner workers I was goin= g to need a flatbed. A pickup truck with a tow rope shows up=2C assess the = situation and called for a flatbed. Flatbed shows up and immediately sinks= down to the wheels in mud. They had to call a second tow truck to now pull= the flatbed out. The guy from the original pick up truck crew then comes o= ver with a baseball bat and we proceed to tweak the sheet metal around enou= gh to be able to be pulled out with his tow rope. All the while the next ra= ce group is gridded up ready to go out watching the rain clouds roll in. Wh= ich they did and proceed to open up about the time that group got the green= flag. To you guys I apologize! =20 More thoughts. After we got in we had to go talk to the stewards. First the= y pulled the Alpha driver aside and got his version. Then they pulled me as= ide and got my version in which I described in great detail what I was sure= happened. Then they asked if I would show them my GoPro video which I pro= ceeded to do. Funny how what I thought I remembered happening in great deta= il didn't happen exactly that way. I felt kind of funny but the steward wer= e good about it and said don't worry=2C that is usually what happens. I was= n't trying to lie about it=2C I truly thought those details where what took= place. Anyhow=2C after they watched my video about 5 times they told me in= was in the clear and that there was nothing I could have done and that I a= ctually acted as a buffer for the Alpha and prevented him from driving stra= ight into the armco at speed which would have been pretty bad for him. Luck= y guy that Alpha driver is. :) His car hardly had any damage=2C my drivers = side is well=2C not so good. As I was waiting for the tow I walked out on t= rack and picked up a big chunk of fiberglass fender that broke off his car.= He wait a minute=2C that must have been from a previous track event becaus= e people do not run fiberglass in vintage events do they? :) =20 Marty =20 =20 = --_6e813200-bc7a-40bb-ab96-1b974bdc7b5b_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A little follow up. On a lighter= note. I told the corner workers I was going to need a flatbed. A pickup tr= uck with a tow rope shows up=2C assess the situation and called for a flatb= ed. =3B Flatbed shows up and immediately sinks down to the wheels in mu= d. They had to call a second tow truck to now pull the flatbed out. The guy= from the original pick up truck crew then comes over with a baseball bat a= nd we proceed to tweak the sheet metal around enough to be able to be pulle= d out with his tow rope. All the while the next race group is gridded up re= ady to go out watching the rain clouds roll in. Which they did and proceed = to open up about the time that group got the green flag. To you guys I apol= ogize!
=3B
More thoughts. After we got in we had to go talk to the stewards. First the= y pulled the Alpha driver aside and got his version. Then they pulled me as= ide and got my version in which I described in great detail what I was sure= happened. =3B Then they asked if =3BI would show them my GoPro vid= eo which I proceeded to do. Funny how what I thought I remembered happening= in great detail didn't happen exactly that way. I felt kind of funny but t= he steward were good about it and said don't worry=2C that is usually what = happens. I wasn't trying to lie about it=2C I truly thought those details w= here what took place. Anyhow=2C after they watched my video about 5 times t= hey told me in was in the clear and that there was nothing I could have don= e and that I actually acted as a buffer for the Alpha and prevented him fro= m driving straight into the armco at speed which would have been pretty bad= for him. Lucky guy that Alpha driver is. :) His car hardly had any damage= =2C my drivers side is well=2C not so good. As I was waiting for the tow I = walked out on track and picked up a big chunk of fiberglass fender that bro= ke off his car. He wait a minute=2C that must have been from a previous tra= ck event because =3B people do not run fiberglass in vintage events do = they? =3B =3B :)
=3B
Marty
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= --_6e813200-bc7a-40bb-ab96-1b974bdc7b5b_-- --===============0435662133403160265== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0435662133403160265==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 10:13:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503612587CC5 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (isis.mit.edu [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCD4258047F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t6DGAqJK026800; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:10:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Scott Janzen References:

<0A3CD8EB-80AA-43B3-A152-5D3DE4D4F5F3@me.com> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net re: diff cooling... you want to do that if you can. Diffs run VERY HOT. Give the man a cigar! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 10:22:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71922258858A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748FC25844BC for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbbpo10 with SMTP id po10so128011582lbb.3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=6oyqtYUsV5JWxtlCPcxQGdgFCsWmT8yNs+Nh7KI9P3w=; b=u/34JjYoEYeERy6DAjyj0i5FUJVLeA9Ehoj9g2lEvhvrKWE44B4aao/bRAJw86GZEr dt4q8L565aTpLC1LhIWG95GK/k0Vlc8ZLlMIVqCZCXdfLWGb2BhrvVXvyTII2X3CoRVd feDcSs+TuJiZj1hBMQeTINbElH9hdT4fP0vumU/ophu89n8aGJU7BoCbG8T3ahdNMJz7 WmUrUEjdSqUmlmmLJiDooWw0Ble+GSmlDKqd4spnQKqzj73rOF54YvGoPPyFruI2V2E9 M0swMObdkNUZdEwVrnBn1bzLZ9BfXp3j6XHBjPOxs0oFcv3rR4FdlQwUcwWLX2mBEN8l oE7w== Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.189.98 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kas Kastner Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:21:54 -0700 To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Hot diffs Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2869773839463516610== --089e011839b20b16e3051ac42132 Just a reminder, adding volume to the diff oil makes a big difference if you cannot find a way to hook up a cooler. *Never be beaten by equipment.* --089e011839b20b16e3051ac42132 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a reminder, adding volume to the diff oil=C2=A0m= akes a big difference if you

cannot find a way to=C2=A0hook up a = cooler.

Never be beaten by equipment.

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On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Kas Kastner = <kaskastner@gmail.com> wrote:

Just a reminder, adding volume to the diff = oil makes a big difference if you
cannot find = a way to hook up a cooler.
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= --Apple-Mail=_B3DC9C3D-2BB7-46B7-9E28-81B35A9633B1-- --===============8585228661547707219== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============8585228661547707219==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 10:53:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA1B2588827 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nov-007-i567.relay.mailchannels.net (nov-007-i567.relay.mailchannels.net [46.232.183.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99D825887F1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from s15-dallas.accountservergroup.com (ip-10-237-13-110.us-west-2.compute.internal [10.237.13.110]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0D5561201C3; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s15-dallas.accountservergroup.com (s15-dallas.accountservergroup.com [10.232.141.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.5.1); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:53:36 +0000 Received: from 175-207.dial.gorge.net ([209.216.175.207]:29219 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by s15-dallas.accountservergroup.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZEgyv-000BOF-9y; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:53:29 -0500 From: Bill Babcock Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:53:27 -0700 References: To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] The Bad Part Two Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1621932454190261684== --Apple-Mail=_8BBC4A8A-C863-4210-AD69-3C9F087594C2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 People have a strange filter for those kinds of incidents=97even = spectators. When Peyote got whacked at Watkins Glen some spectators said = I had lost control and spun in front of the Corvette. Video showed the = Corvette hitting the left rear corner of Peyote, and then carrying me = across his hood into the Armco. The Corvette driver=92s story was even = wilder. Apparently I turned in and hit him.=20 > On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:05 AM, marty wrote: >=20 > A little follow up. On a lighter note. I told the corner workers I was = going to need a flatbed. A pickup truck with a tow rope shows up, assess = the situation and called for a flatbed. Flatbed shows up and = immediately sinks down to the wheels in mud. They had to call a second = tow truck to now pull the flatbed out. The guy from the original pick up = truck crew then comes over with a baseball bat and we proceed to tweak = the sheet metal around enough to be able to be pulled out with his tow = rope. All the while the next race group is gridded up ready to go out = watching the rain clouds roll in. Which they did and proceed to open up = about the time that group got the green flag. To you guys I apologize! > =20 > More thoughts. After we got in we had to go talk to the stewards. = First they pulled the Alpha driver aside and got his version. Then they = pulled me aside and got my version in which I described in great detail = what I was sure happened. Then they asked if I would show them my GoPro = video which I proceeded to do. Funny how what I thought I remembered = happening in great detail didn't happen exactly that way. I felt kind of = funny but the steward were good about it and said don't worry, that is = usually what happens. I wasn't trying to lie about it, I truly thought = those details where what took place. Anyhow, after they watched my video = about 5 times they told me in was in the clear and that there was = nothing I could have done and that I actually acted as a buffer for the = Alpha and prevented him from driving straight into the armco at speed = which would have been pretty bad for him. Lucky guy that Alpha driver = is. :) His car hardly had any damage, my drivers side is well, not so = good. As I was waiting for the tow I walked out on track and picked up a = big chunk of fiberglass fender that broke off his car. He wait a minute, = that must have been from a previous track event because people do not = run fiberglass in vintage events do they? :) > =20 > Marty > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > http://www.fot-racing.com >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill@ponostyle.com = Bill Babcock Bill@ponostyle.com Editor: Ponostyle Celebrating Water Editor: Xtreme Geezer Fitness and Fun After Forty 503.936.7660 http://www.PonoStyle.com http://www.Xgeez.com --Apple-Mail=_8BBC4A8A-C863-4210-AD69-3C9F087594C2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 People have a strange filter for those kinds of = incidents=97even spectators. When Peyote got whacked at Watkins Glen = some spectators said I had lost control and spun in front of the = Corvette. Video showed the Corvette hitting the left rear corner of = Peyote, and then carrying me across his hood into the Armco. The = Corvette driver=92s story was even wilder. Apparently I turned in and = hit him.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:05 AM, = marty <trmarty@hotmail.com> wrote:

A little follow up. On = a lighter note. I told the corner workers I was going to need a flatbed. = A pickup truck with a tow rope shows up, assess the situation and called = for a flatbed. Flatbed shows up and immediately sinks down to the = wheels in mud. They had to call a second tow truck to now pull the = flatbed out. The guy from the original pick up truck crew then comes = over with a baseball bat and we proceed to tweak the sheet metal around = enough to be able to be pulled out with his tow rope. All the while the = next race group is gridded up ready to go out watching the rain clouds = roll in. Which they did and proceed to open up about the time that group = got the green flag. To you guys I apologize!

More thoughts. After we got in we had to go talk to the = stewards. First they pulled the Alpha driver aside and got his version. = Then they pulled me aside and got my version in which I described in = great detail what I was sure happened. Then they asked if I = would show them my GoPro video which I proceeded to do. Funny how what I = thought I remembered happening in great detail didn't happen exactly = that way. I felt kind of funny but the steward were good about it and = said don't worry, that is usually what happens. I wasn't trying to lie = about it, I truly thought those details where what took place. Anyhow, = after they watched my video about 5 times they told me in was in the = clear and that there was nothing I could have done and that I actually = acted as a buffer for the Alpha and prevented him from driving straight = into the armco at speed which would have been pretty bad for him. Lucky = guy that Alpha driver is. :) His car hardly had any damage, my drivers = side is well, not so good. As I was waiting for the tow I walked out on = track and picked up a big chunk of fiberglass fender that broke off his = car. He wait a minute, that must have been from a previous track event = because people do not run fiberglass in vintage events do = they? :)

Marty

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= --Apple-Mail=_8BBC4A8A-C863-4210-AD69-3C9F087594C2-- --===============1621932454190261684== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1621932454190261684==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 12:32:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC5025878DD for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B64E2585D6E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:32:14 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="655032511" Received: from unknown (HELO PetersTowerPC) ([124.149.144.175]) by icp-osb-irony-out7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2015 02:32:33 +0800 From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "'Scott Janzen'" , "'Jason Ostrowski'" References:

<0A3CD8EB-80AA-43B3-A152-5D3DE4D4F5F3@me.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 04:32:27 +1000 Thread-Index: AdC9dw4nQBFUpZh7SUiB+yOBaOalnQAIrTkQ Content-Language: en-au Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6923978997430173414== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0527_01D0BDEE.17282F40" Content-Language: en-au This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0527_01D0BDEE.17282F40 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic. I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. With the diff 'tucked up' and limited air flow. You are starting with a problem before you start! "You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do the diff any good. Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage". Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil. I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out. On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: I agree that it is consumable. A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projects. Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recommends. I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the car. Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant focus to smooth transition between the gears. And really important is super smooth take-offs. I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with me most of the time. He is never afraid to remind me of this. And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to taking off. something like.... "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" or "Easy take off". Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment taking off to hit the track. One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the differential. I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts... We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often is. This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com ------=_NextPart_000_0527_01D0BDEE.17282F40 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.

I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at = highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. =

With the diff ‘tucked up’ and limited air flow. You are = starting with a problem before you start!

"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You = Started With A Lage Fortune!"

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII

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From:= = Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott = Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM
To: = Jason Ostrowski
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' = Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential = failure

thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through = the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill = turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then = letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill = climb. I'm sure that did not do the diff any = good.

Somehow the idea of = putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very = "vintage".

Question - has anyone = checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? I do = run Redline 75-85 gear oil.

I will report back and = send carnage photos when I get it out.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 = AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I agree that it is = consumable.

A change to something different would seem = to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could = turn into a whole new set of other related projects. =

Likely a costly and complex = endeavor to say the least.

Knowing you, I assume you = are using a quality oil already as Steve = recommends.

I notice you are racing faster lately and = seem to be doing great with the car.

Begin Public Service = announcement to all FoT...

That being said, = (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly = about how you need to treat the drivetrain.

Perhaps most importantly = on this issue is careful driving with a constant focus = to smooth transition between the gears.

And really important is = super smooth take-offs.

I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer = of all time) at the track with me most of the = time.

He is never afraid to remind me of = this.

And does so on a regular basis when = I'm leaving the grid.

Even after all these years of coaching he = will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to taking = off.

something = like....

"Ride that F$#&%ng clutch = baby!!"

or "Easy take off". =

Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be = reminded of in a tense moment taking off to hit the = track.

One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all = it takes to do damage to the differential.

I can trace most of my = differential failures back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt = starts...

We all hate to admit that an equipment = failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often = is.

This was an FoT Public Service = Announcement...

Brought to you by Friendly Ghost = Racing.

Jason = Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost = Racing

1969 Triumph GT6+ = Racecars

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at = 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:

Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race = yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years = ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to = something stronger? What are other vintage racers = doing?

Sent from my mobile = device
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------=_NextPart_000_0527_01D0BDEE.17282F40-- --===============6923978997430173414== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6923978997430173414==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 12:46:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D31258818E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com (nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com [17.158.72.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5242580932 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.99.30] (c-68-80-11-16.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.80.11.16]) by nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Mar 31 2015)) with ESMTPSA id <0NRF006ORW1ZWT40@nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:44:26 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-07-13_10:2015-07-13,2015-07-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1507130267 From: Scott Janzen Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:44:22 -0400 References:

<0A3CD8EB-80AA-43B3-A152-5D3DE4D4F5F3@me.com> To: Peter Vucinic Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4457145980240620411== boundary="Apple-Mail=_774B6C41-2F91-4224-943F-5D392E5EB9D5" --Apple-Mail=_774B6C41-2F91-4224-943F-5D392E5EB9D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure = experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off = under load, would lower temps help? =20 I run Redline synthetic.=20 On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic. I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at = highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. With the diff =91tucked up=92 and limited air flow. You are starting = with a problem before you start! =20 =20 "You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You = Started With A Lage Fortune!" Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net =20 http://www.fot-racing.com =20 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive =20 =20 From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure =20 thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a = steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second = gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I = approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not = do the diff any good. =20 Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very = "vintage". =20 Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a = difference? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil. =20 I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out. =20 On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: =20 I agree that it is consumable. A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all = the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of = other related projects. Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve = recommends. I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with = the car. =20 Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... =20 That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind = yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a = constant focus to smooth transition between the gears. And really important is super smooth take-offs. I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track = with me most of the time. He is never afraid to remind me of this. And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me = through my helmet prior to taking off. something like.... "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" or "Easy take off". Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense = moment taking off to hit the track. One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the = differential. I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift = transitions or abrupt starts... We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, = speaking for myself, I know it often is. This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. =20 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing=20 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars =20 =20 =20 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. = Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something = stronger? What are other vintage racers doing? Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multivintage.com =20 =20 --Apple-Mail=_774B6C41-2F91-4224-943F-5D392E5EB9D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=windows-1252 so, while I respect the need proper operating = temps, if the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply = gear teeth breaking off under load, would lower temps help?

I = run Redline synthetic.

On Jul 13, 2015, at = 2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote:

Get = the oil temp down and use full synthetic.

I did much testing on my road = going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp = is 180-200F.

With = the diff =91tucked up=92 and limited air flow. You are starting with a = problem before you start!

"You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. = As long as You Started With A Lage = Fortune!"

Kind = Regards

Peter = Vucinic

TR4 - = TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII

Donate: Archive: Forums:

From: Fot = [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott = Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 = AM
To: Jason = Ostrowski
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' = Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential = failure

thanks, Jason - yes, I was = banging through the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this = track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first = accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp = right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do the diff any = good.

Somehow the = idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very = "vintage".

Question - has = anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? = I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.

I will report back and send carnage photos when I get = it out.

On Jul 13, = 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I agree that it is = consumable.

A change to = something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts = that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other = related projects.

Likely a = costly and complex endeavor to say the = least.

Knowing you, I = assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve = recommends.

I notice you = are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the = car.

Begin Public = Service announcement to all FoT...

That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't = forget to remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the = drivetrain.

Perhaps most = importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant = focus to smooth transition between the = gears.

And really = important is super smooth take-offs.

I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all = time) at the track with me most of the = time.

He is = never afraid to remind me of this.

And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving = the grid.

Even after all = these years of coaching he will still often yell at me through my = helmet prior to taking off.

something like....

"Ride that F$#&%ng clutch = baby!!"

or "Easy take = off".

Wisdom I'm not = afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment taking = off to hit the track.

One slip of = the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the = differential.

I can trace = most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transitions = or abrupt starts...

We all hate to = admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaking for = myself, I know it often is.

This was an FoT Public Service = Announcement...

Brought to you = by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost = Racing

1969 Triumph = GT6+ Racecars

On Sun, Jul = 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at = Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I = just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something = stronger? What are other vintage racers doing?

Sent from my = mobile device
_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net

<0A3CD8EB-80AA-43B3-A152-5D3DE4D4F5F3@me.com> <5621FAA6-7032-4E66-9E25-01FFAD191A4E@me.com> From: Peter Vucinic Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 04:57:03 +1000 To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6947977609107372408== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit boundary=Apple-Mail-7FB5E977-4D8C-4816-8F16-C13FEC2F2BBC --Apple-Mail-7FB5E977-4D8C-4816-8F16-C13FEC2F2BBC charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great question! I'll answer this for you when I get back tonight.=20 I'm traveling to mine site to replace a 1000HP 2 shaft gearbox that has suff= ered low oil level foaming. Your timing is perfect! Regards Peter Vucinic CBA Rotative Engineers Sent from Mobile Phone > On 14 Jul 2015, at 04:44, Scott Janzen wrote: >=20 > so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, if the failure experi= enced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth breaking off under load,= would lower temps help? =20 > I run Redline synthetic.=20 >=20 > On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: >=20 > Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic. > I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway s= peed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. > With the diff =E2=80=98tucked up=E2=80=99 and limited air flow. You are st= arting with a problem before you start! > =20 > =20 > "You can Make a Small Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You Started W= ith A Lage Fortune!" > Kind Regards > Peter Vucinic > TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > =20 > http://www.fot-racing.com > =20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > =20 > =20 > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM > To: Jason Ostrowski > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure > =20 > thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a st= eep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear a= t 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approache= d the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do the diff an= y good. > =20 > Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "= vintage". > =20 > Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a diffe= rence? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil. > =20 > I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out. > =20 > On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > =20 > I agree that it is consumable. > A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all th= e parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other re= lated projects. > Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. > Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recomme= nds. > I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the c= ar. > =20 > Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... > =20 > That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind you= rself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. > Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant f= ocus to smooth transition between the gears. > And really important is super smooth take-offs. > I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with= me most of the time. > He is never afraid to remind me of this. > And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. > Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me thro= ugh my helmet prior to taking off. > something like.... > "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" > or "Easy take off". > Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment t= aking off to hit the track. > One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the d= ifferential. > I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transit= ions or abrupt starts... > We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speak= ing for myself, I know it often is. > This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... > Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. > =20 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing=20 > 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars =20 > =20 > =20 > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race. L= ast one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. > Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something strong= er? What are other vintage racers doing? >=20 > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net >=20 > http://www.fot-racing.com >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@multiv= intage.com >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7FB5E977-4D8C-4816-8F16-C13FEC2F2BBC charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Great question!

I'll answer t= his for you when I get back tonight.

I'm traveling to mine s= ite to replace a 1000HP 2 shaft gearbox that has suffered low oil level foam= ing. Your timing is perfect!

Regards

Peter Vucinic

CBA R= otative Engineers

Sent from Mobile Phone

On 14= Jul 2015, at 04:44, Scott Janzen <sjan= zen@me.com> wrote:

so, while I respect the need proper operating temps, i= f the failure experienced is not bearing failure, but simply gear teeth brea= king off under load, would lower temps help?
I run Redline synthe= tic.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Peter Vucini= c wrote:

Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.
I did much testing on my road going TR4= diff. Even a road car, at highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F.=
With the diff =E2=80=98tucked up=E2=80= =99 and limited air flow. You are starting with a problem before you start!<= o:p>

"You can Make a Sma= ll Fortune =46rom Motor Racing. As long as You Started With A Lage Fortune!"=
Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR4 -= TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII
_____________= __________________________________

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of= Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM
To: Jason Ostrowski
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
= Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6= differential failure

thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a s= teep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear a= t 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approache= d the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do the di= ff any good.

Somehow t= he idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage".

Question - has anyone c= hecked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? I do run Red= line 75-85 gear oil.

I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:1= 2 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

I agree that it is consumable.
A change t= o something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the parts that= mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other related projec= ts.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor to s= ay the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a= quality oil already as Steve recommends.
I notic= e you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the car.=

Begin Public Servic= e announcement to all FoT...

That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget t= o remind yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.=
Perhaps most importantly on this issue is carefu= l driving with a constant focus to smooth transition between the g= ears.
And really important is super smooth take-o= ffs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer o= f all time) at the track with me most of the time.
He is never afraid to remind me of this.
An= d does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.
something like....
"Ride that F$#&%ng c= lutch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
=
Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tens= e moment taking off to hit the track.
One sl= ip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the different= ial.
I can trace most of my differential failures= back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...
=
We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault b= ut, speaking for myself, I know it often is.
This= was an FoT Public Service Announcement...
<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-b= ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">B= rought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.
&nbs= p;
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly G= host Racing
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars =

<= div>

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janze= n <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:
Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday= at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I j= ust consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger? Wh= at are other vintage racers doing?

Sent from my mobile device
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<0A3CD8EB-80AA-43B3-A152-5D3DE4D4F5F3@me.com> To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2079809898806017740== boundary=Apple-Mail-6487322A-1215-4D18-8A21-A49DFD364B3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-6487322A-1215-4D18-8A21-A49DFD364B3C charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jason, It was me discussing diff coolers. I have the photographs of my installation now and will be sending them to th= e guys who wanted to see them. I will copy you too if you wish. Best regards, Keith Sent from my iPad > On 13 Jul 2015, at 16:17, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >=20 > Ah yes...Cooling. > While you have it out maybe it's worth while to see about adding a temp ga= uge back there. > I think its usually done at the oil plug but I'm not sure. > That would seem to perhaps help in preventing a minor fail turn into a maj= or explosion.=20 >=20 > I much enjoyed the thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance= TR6's a while back. > I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing some of the options f= or Chump car guys. > The unit was mounted in the modified wheel well if I remember correctly. > The tough part for our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and pl= umbing. > Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6? > If so, how was it set up? > Thanks! >=20 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: >> thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a s= teep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear a= t 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I approache= d the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm sure that did not do the diff an= y good. >>=20 >> Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "= vintage". >>=20 >> Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a diff= erence? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil. >>=20 >> I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out. >>=20 >> On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >>=20 >> I agree that it is consumable. >> A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all t= he parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other r= elated projects. >> Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least. >> Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve recomm= ends. >> I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the= car. >>=20 >> Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT... >>=20 >> That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yo= urself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain. >> Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant= focus to smooth transition between the gears. >> And really important is super smooth take-offs. >> I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track wit= h me most of the time. >> He is never afraid to remind me of this. >> And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid. >> Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me thr= ough my helmet prior to taking off. >> something like.... >> "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!" >> or "Easy take off". >> Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment= taking off to hit the track. >> One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the d= ifferential. >> I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift transi= tions or abrupt starts... >> We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, spea= king for myself, I know it often is. >> This was an FoT Public Service Announcement... >> Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing. >>=20 >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing=20 >> 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars =20 >> =20 >>=20 >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: >>> Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race.= Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago. >>> Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stro= nger? What are other vintage racers doing? >>>=20 >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>>=20 >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason@mult= ivintage.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net >=20 > http://www.fot-racing.com >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles@b= tinternet.com >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6487322A-1215-4D18-8A21-A49DFD364B3C charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jason,

It w= as me discussing diff coolers.

I have the photograp= hs of my installation now and will be sending them to the guys who wanted to= see them. I will copy you too if you wish.

Best re= gards,

Keith

Sent from my iPad

<= div>
On 13 Jul 2015, at 16:17, Jason Ostrowski <jason@multivintage.com> wrote:

Ah yes...Cooling.

= While you have it out maybe it's worth while to see about adding a temp gaug= e back there.

I think its usually done at the oil plug but I'm not= sure.

That would seem to perhaps help in preventing a m= inor fail turn into a major explosion.

I much= enjoyed the thread about the Diff cooling options for the endurance TR6's a= while back.

I think it was Keith Files and some others discussing= some of the options for Chump car guys.

The unit was mounted&nbs= p;in the modified wheel well if I remember correctly.

The tough pa= rt for our tiny GT6 seems to be where to put the cooler and plumbing.

<= div>Has Anyone out there ever used an external diff cooler on a GT6?

If so, how was it set up?

Thanks!

Jaso= n Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing

1969 Triumph GT6+ Race= cars

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Scott Janzen <sjan= zen@me.com> wrote:

thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the g= ears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, wh= ere I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it s= low me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill climb. I'm s= ure that did not do the diff any good.

Somehow the idea o= f putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very "vintage".
Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling m= ake a difference? I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.

I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason O= strowski wrote:

I agree that it is consumable= .
A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesig= n of all the parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set o= f other related projects.
Likely a costly and complex endeavor&nb= sp;to say the least.
Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality= oil already as Steve recommends.
I notice you are racing faster l= ately and seem to be doing great with the car.

Begi= n Public Service announcement to all FoT...

That be= ing said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself reg= ularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.
Perhaps most im= portantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant focus t= o smooth transition between the gears.
And really important i= s super smooth take-offs.
I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 ra= cer of all time) at the track with me most of the time.
He is= never afraid to remind me of this.
And does so on a regular b= asis when I'm leaving the grid.
Even after all these years of coac= hing he will still often yell at me through my helmet prior to taking o= ff.
something like....
"Ride that F$#&%ng clut= ch baby!!"
or "Easy take off".
Wisdom I'm not afraid to= admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment taking off to hit the= track.
One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do= damage to the differential.
I can trace most of my differential f= ailures back to sketchy shift transitions or abrupt starts...
We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but, speaki= ng for myself, I know it often is.
This was an FoT Public Ser= vice Announcement...
Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars

=

On Sun, Jul 1= 2, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:
Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt= Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something stronger= ? What are other vintage racers doing?

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= --Apple-Mail-6487322A-1215-4D18-8A21-A49DFD364B3C-- --===============2079809898806017740== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2079809898806017740==-- From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 14:17:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C93258576D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:17:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: fot@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5068258054D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hpd530 ([71.116.26.215]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NRG00I4L0BKQS60@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for fot@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:16:33 -0500 (CDT) a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=JcvzPq48AAAA:8 a=2RPGhHt-5w2JquGLli8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=ra1s6S96saPixYNl-XQA:9 a=yqPfq7XKosVnb0ew:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 From: "Bill Tobin" To: "marty" , "FOT" References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:16:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fot] The Bad Part Two Errors-To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7019100543749431375== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0209_01D0BD87.472ED2F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0209_01D0BD87.472ED2F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So you're the guy?! We were on the grid and heard about the wrecker being needed to pull out = the flatbed. Then the rains came. No biggie, it's part of the fun. But it was kind of slick out there. Glad you're OK; cars can be fixed. Nice seeing all the Triumph guys there at PittRace. It will be a must-do = in the future. Too bad Scott had a problem; when I saw his car sitting on the grass = (mud!) at the top of the hill I thought it might be serious. There were a few glitches over the weekend but overall it was a good = weekend. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: marty=20 To: FOT=20 Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 12:05 PM Subject: [Fot] The Bad Part Two A little follow up. On a lighter note. I told the corner workers I was = going to need a flatbed. A pickup truck with a tow rope shows up, assess = the situation and called for a flatbed. Flatbed shows up and = immediately sinks down to the wheels in mud. They had to call a second = tow truck to now pull the flatbed out. The guy from the original pick up = truck crew then comes over with a baseball bat and we proceed to tweak = the sheet metal around enough to be able to be pulled out with his tow = rope. All the while the next race group is gridded up ready to go out = watching the rain clouds roll in. Which they did and proceed to open up = about the time that group got the green flag. To you guys I apologize! =20 More thoughts. After we got in we had to go talk to the stewards. = First they pulled the Alpha driver aside and got his version. Then they = pulled me aside and got my version in which I described in great detail = what I was sure happened. Then they asked if I would show them my GoPro = video which I proceeded to do. Funny how what I thought I remembered = happening in great detail didn't happen exactly that way. I felt kind of = funny but the steward were good about it and said don't worry, that is = usually what happens. I wasn't trying to lie about it, I truly thought = those details where what took place. Anyhow, after they watched my video = about 5 times they told me in was in the clear and that there was = nothing I could have done and that I actually acted as a buffer for the = Alpha and prevented him from driving straight into the armco at speed = which would have been pretty bad for him. Lucky guy that Alpha driver = is. :) His car hardly had any damage, my drivers side is well, not so = good. As I was waiting for the tow I walked out on track and picked up a = big chunk of fiberglass fender that broke off his car. He wait a minute, = that must have been from a previous track event because people do not = run fiberglass in vintage events do they? :) =20 Marty =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_0209_01D0BD87.472ED2F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So you're the guy?!

We were on the grid and heard about the = wrecker=20 being needed to pull out the flatbed.

Then the rains came.

No biggie, it's part of the fun. But it = was kind of=20 slick out there.

Glad you're OK; cars can be = fixed.

Nice seeing all the Triumph guys there = at PittRace.=20 It will be a must-do in the future.

Too bad Scott had a problem; when I saw = his car=20 sitting on the grass (mud!) at the top of the hill I thought it might be = serious.

There were a few glitches over the = weekend but=20 overall it was a good weekend.

Cheers, Bill

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [Fot] The Bad Part = Two

A little follow up. On a lighter note. I told the = corner workers=20 I was going to need a flatbed. A pickup truck with a tow rope shows = up, assess=20 the situation and called for a flatbed. Flatbed shows up and = immediately=20 sinks down to the wheels in mud. They had to call a second tow truck = to now=20 pull the flatbed out. The guy from the original pick up truck crew = then comes=20 over with a baseball bat and we proceed to tweak the sheet metal = around enough=20 to be able to be pulled out with his tow rope. All the while the next = race=20 group is gridded up ready to go out watching the rain clouds roll in. = Which=20 they did and proceed to open up about the time that group got the = green flag.=20 To you guys I apologize!

More thoughts. After we got in = we had to=20 go talk to the stewards. First they pulled the Alpha driver aside and = got his=20 version. Then they pulled me aside and got my version in which I = described in=20 great detail what I was sure happened. Then they asked if I = would=20 show them my GoPro video which I proceeded to do. Funny how what I = thought I=20 remembered happening in great detail didn't happen exactly that way. I = felt=20 kind of funny but the steward were good about it and said don't worry, = that is=20 usually what happens. I wasn't trying to lie about it, I truly thought = those=20 details where what took place. Anyhow, after they watched my video = about 5=20 times they told me in was in the clear and that there was nothing I = could have=20 done and that I actually acted as a buffer for the Alpha and prevented = him=20 from driving straight into the armco at speed which would have been = pretty bad=20 for him. Lucky guy that Alpha driver is. :) His car hardly had any = damage, my=20 drivers side is well, not so good. As I was waiting for the tow I = walked out=20 on track and picked up a big chunk of fiberglass fender that broke off = his=20 car. He wait a minute, that must have been from a previous track event = because people do not run fiberglass in vintage events do=20 they? :)

Marty

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IT broke in the tapered section just before = it enters the diff. No, it=E2=80=99s a southwick, the wheel stayed in = place and I could drive the car, it just wouldn=E2=80=99t take full = throttle. I imagine my Tran-x clutches might need some = TLC.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:04 PM, davehogye <dlhogye@comcast.net>= wrote:

Hi = Bill,
Good to have you = back on, but sorry to hear of the axle failure.
Where did it break? Did you = lose a wheel?

Dave = H.

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My big monster diff cover certainly proves that to be = true. Probably wouldn=E2=80=99t be easy to accommodate on any car that = needs a panhard bar, but my temp paint never shows above 170F. Didn=E2=80=99= t keep my axle from breaking, but that=E2=80=99s a different = animal.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Kas Kastner = <kaskastner@gmail.com>= wrote:

Just a reminder, adding volume to = the diff oil makes a big difference if you
cannot find a way to hook up a cooler.
Never be beaten by = equipment.
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