Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1/2 Hard hot start.

From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 22:26:34 -0000 MailServer2215B152.10000-Famine2215-0-f073d31d8eee

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Michael,I never tried the "mist" solution, but along with George McHarris =
from the soCal AH Club, we came up with a way to pretty much do away with =
the problem all together.We installed a marine bilge fan that blew cool ai=
r directly onto the front float bowl. When caught in traffic and with the =
temps rising, turn on the fan and the car ran smooth. Before starting the =
car, turn the fan on, let it run for a few minutes and the cart started an=
d ran smooth.The best thing I ever did with my BN1 and was really simple. =
And best of all, I installed mine so that it could be removed easily and n=
o holes were ever drilled.Some where I have photos of my installation, but=
 basically the fan was mounted next to and a little above the radiator on =
the driver's side of the car. A three inch hose drew air from right behind=
 the grille, ahead of the heat in the engine compartment. The air then wou=
ld be sent through another flexible "hose" and delivered directly to the f=
ront float bowl. I sat in traffic with the temperature getting close to th=
e 200 degree range and never had a problem with vapor lock.Worked great. A=
nd like I said above, it was a really simple installation with nothing per=
manent.=C2=A0Steven KingsburyBN1On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Michael Salte=
r <[email-masked]> wrote:Like most 100's my early BN1 runs very w=
ell until I=C2=A0 try to restart it after parking for a few minutes after =
which it is hard to start and runs badly for the first mile or so.This is =
of course a well known issue with these cars, which is caused by fuel boil=
ing, and many people, including myself, have tried various types of heatsh=
ields in relatively unsuccessful attempts to eliminate this issue which ha=
s been exacerbated by the ethanol content of modern fuels.I'm contemplatin=
g a different approach.I have purchased an aftermarket windshield washer k=
it and I'm considering installing it with a button control to spray a mist=
 of water onto the area of the main jet and bottom of the float chamber wh=
ich I will use for a few seconds before a hot start.The idea is that the w=
ater mist will cool the area and prevent the fuel boiling there.Before I=C2=
=A0 try it I was wondering if anyone has tried this and if so what were th=
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<html><body><div><div>Michael,<br></div><div>I never tried the "mist" solution, but al=
ong with George McHarris from the soCal AH Club, we came up with a way to =
pretty much do away with the problem all together.<br></div><div>We instal=
led a marine bilge fan that blew cool air directly onto the front float bo=
wl. When caught in traffic and with the temps rising, turn on the fan and =
the car ran smooth. Before starting the car, turn the fan on, let it run f=
or a few minutes and the cart started and ran smooth.<br></div><div>The be=
st thing I ever did with my BN1 and was really simple. And best of all, I =
installed mine so that it could be removed easily and no holes were ever d=
rilled.<br></div><div>Some where I have photos of my installation, but bas=
ically the fan was mounted next to and a little above the radiator on the =
driver's side of the car. A three inch hose drew air from right behind the=
 grille, ahead of the heat in the engine compartment. The air then would b=
e sent through another flexible "hose" and delivered directly to the front=
 float bowl. I sat in traffic with the temperature getting close to the 20=
0 degree range and never had a problem with vapor lock.<br></div><div>Work=
ed great. And like I said above, it was a really simple installation with =
nothing permanent.&nbsp;<br></div><div>Steven Kingsbury<br></div><div>BN1<=
/div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:0=
4 PM, Michael Salter &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Like most 100's my ea=
rly BN1 runs very well until I&nbsp; try to restart it after parking for a=
 few minutes after which it is hard to start and runs badly for the first =
mile or so.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This is of course a well known issu=
e with these cars, which is caused by fuel boiling, and many people, inclu=
ding myself, have tried various types of heatshields in relatively unsucce=
ssful attempts to eliminate this issue which has been exacerbated by the e=
thanol content of modern fuels.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I'm contemplati=
ng a different approach.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I have purchased an af=
termarket windshield washer kit and I'm considering installing it with a b=
utton control to spray a mist of water onto the area of the main jet and b=
ottom of the float chamber which I will use for a few seconds before a hot=
 start.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The idea is that the water mist will co=
ol the area and prevent the fuel boiling there.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Before I&nbsp; try it I was wondering if anyone has tried this and if so =
what were the results.<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
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I=92ve done this just using a spray bottle of water. Seems to help. I=92m u=
sing a DW heat shield and the problem isn=92t quite as much of an issue. No=
w I occasionally have to wait a few seconds for it to clear, but only in th=
e heat.
________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Steven Kingsbur=
y via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:26 PM
To: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1/2 Hard hot start.

Michael,
I never tried the "mist" solution, but along with George McHarris from the =
soCal AH Club, we came up with a way to pretty much do away with the proble=
m all together.
We installed a marine bilge fan that blew cool air directly onto the front =
float bowl. When caught in traffic and with the temps rising, turn on the f=
an and the car ran smooth. Before starting the car, turn the fan on, let it=
 run for a few minutes and the cart started and ran smooth.
The best thing I ever did with my BN1 and was really simple. And best of al=
l, I installed mine so that it could be removed easily and no holes were ev=
er drilled.
Some where I have photos of my installation, but basically the fan was moun=
ted next to and a little above the radiator on the driver's side of the car=
. A three inch hose drew air from right behind the grille, ahead of the hea=
t in the engine compartment. The air then would be sent through another fle=
xible "hose" and delivered directly to the front float bowl. I sat in traff=
ic with the temperature getting close to the 200 degree range and never had=
 a problem with vapor lock.
Worked great. And like I said above, it was a really simple installation wi=
th nothing permanent.
Steven Kingsbury
BN1

On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Michael Salter <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

Like most 100's my early BN1 runs very well until I  try to restart it afte=
r parking for a few minutes after which it is hard to start and runs badly =
for the first mile or so.
This is of course a well known issue with these cars, which is caused by fu=
el boiling, and many people, including myself, have tried various types of =
heatshields in relatively unsuccessful attempts to eliminate this issue whi=
ch has been exacerbated by the ethanol content of modern fuels.
I'm contemplating a different approach.
I have purchased an aftermarket windshield washer kit and I'm considering i=
nstalling it with a button control to spray a mist of water onto the area o=
f the main jet and bottom of the float chamber which I will use for a few s=
econds before a hot start.
The idea is that the water mist will cool the area and prevent the fuel boi=
ling there.
Before I  try it I was wondering if anyone has tried this and if so what we=
re the results.

M

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<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit;">I=
=92ve done this just using a spray bottle of water. Seems to help. I=92m us=
ing a DW heat shield and the problem isn=92t quite as much of an issue. Now=
 I occasionally have to wait a few seconds
 for it to clear, but only in the heat.</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys &lt;hea=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BN1/2 Hard hot start.</font>
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<div>Michael,<br>
</div>
<div>I never tried the &quot;mist&quot; solution, but along with George McH=
arris from the soCal AH Club, we came up with a way to pretty much do away =
with the problem all together.<br>
</div>
<div>We installed a marine bilge fan that blew cool air directly onto the f=
ront float bowl. When caught in traffic and with the temps rising, turn on =
the fan and the car ran smooth. Before starting the car, turn the fan on, l=
et it run for a few minutes and
 the cart started and ran smooth.<br>
</div>
<div>The best thing I ever did with my BN1 and was really simple. And best =
of all, I installed mine so that it could be removed easily and no holes we=
re ever drilled.<br>
</div>
<div>Some where I have photos of my installation, but basically the fan was=
 mounted next to and a little above the radiator on the driver's side of th=
e car. A three inch hose drew air from right behind the grille, ahead of th=
e heat in the engine compartment.
 The air then would be sent through another flexible &quot;hose&quot; and d=
elivered directly to the front float bowl. I sat in traffic with the temper=
ature getting close to the 200 degree range and never had a problem with va=
por lock.<br>
</div>
<div>Worked great. And like I said above, it was a really simple installati=
on with nothing permanent.&nbsp;<br>
</div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury<br>
</div>
<div>BN1</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Michael Salter &lt;[email-masked]=
m&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">
<div>Like most 100's my early BN1 runs very well until I&nbsp; try to resta=
rt it after parking for a few minutes after which it is hard to start and r=
uns badly for the first mile or so.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">This is of course a well known issue with these cars, whi=
ch is caused by fuel boiling, and many people, including myself, have tried=
 various types of heatshields in relatively unsuccessful attempts to elimin=
ate this issue which has been exacerbated
 by the ethanol content of modern fuels.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I'm contemplating a different approach.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I have purchased an aftermarket windshield washer kit and=
 I'm considering installing it with a button control to spray a mist of wat=
er onto the area of the main jet and bottom of the float chamber which I wi=
ll use for a few seconds before a
 hot start.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">The idea is that the water mist will cool the area and pr=
event the fuel boiling there.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Before I&nbsp; try it I was wondering if anyone has tried=
 this and if so what were the results.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">M<br>
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From: Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]>
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Hi Michael -

Actually, my feeling is the problem is often caused further back with
vaporization occurring around the fuel pump when the car sits and heat from
the exhaust floats up to the pump when the car is still.  Wrapping the
pipes under the fuel pump with some header wrap seems to really help (or
maybe wrapping the fuel pump with header wrap).

Another simple solution revolves around the process of fuel feed around the
carbs - A90 owners always zip tie a long piece of wood along the fuel feed
pipe under the front carb and that seems to eliminate the vaporization
problems.  You may try another piece of wood on the cross feed between the
carbs.  Might be a simple test to check if that works, and if so maybe the
solution is just putting some wood pieces on the outside of the fuel
line(s).

Best Regards,

Alan

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 1:04 PM Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Like most 100's my early BN1 runs very well until I  try to restart it
> after parking for a few minutes after which it is hard to start and runs
> badly for the first mile or so.
> This is of course a well known issue with these cars, which is caused by
> fuel boiling, and many people, including myself, have tried various types
> of heatshields in relatively unsuccessful attempts to eliminate this issue
> which has been exacerbated by the ethanol content of modern fuels.
> I have purchased an aftermarket windshield washer kit and I'm considering
> installing it with a button control to spray a mist of water onto the area
> of the main jet and bottom of the float chamber which I will use for a few
> seconds before a hot start.
> The idea is that the water mist will cool the area and prevent the fuel
> boiling there.
> Before I  try it I was wondering if anyone has tried this and if so what
> were the results.
>
> M
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Michael -<div><br></div><div>Actually, my feeling is th=
e problem is often caused further back with vaporization occurring=C2=A0aro=
und the fuel pump when the car sits and heat from the exhaust floats up to =
the pump when the car is still.=C2=A0 Wrapping the pipes under the fuel pum=
p with some header wrap seems to really help (or maybe wrapping the fuel pu=
mp with header wrap).<br><br>Another simple solution revolves=C2=A0around t=
he process of fuel feed around the carbs - A90 owners always zip tie a long=
 piece of wood along the fuel feed pipe under the front carb and that seems=
 to eliminate the vaporization problems.=C2=A0 You may try another piece of=
 wood on the cross feed between the carbs.=C2=A0 Might be a simple test to =
check if that works, and if so maybe the solution is just putting some wood=
 pieces on the outside of the fuel line(s).</div><div><br></div><div>Best R=
egards,</div><div><br></div><div>Alan</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 1:04 PM =
Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">michaelsalter=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Like most 100&#39;s my early BN1 runs very wel=
l until I=C2=A0 try to restart it after parking for a few minutes after whi=
ch it is hard to start and runs badly for the first mile or so.<div dir=3D"=
auto">This is of course a well known issue with these cars, which is caused=
 by fuel boiling, and many people, including myself, have tried various typ=
es of heatshields in relatively unsuccessful attempts to eliminate this iss=
ue which has been exacerbated by the ethanol content of modern fuels.</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;m contemplating a different approach.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">I have purchased an aftermarket windshield washer kit and I&#39;m=
 considering installing it with a button control to spray a mist of water o=
nto the area of the main jet and bottom of the float chamber which I will u=
se for a few seconds before a hot start.</div><div dir=3D"auto">The idea is=
 that the water mist will cool the area and prevent the fuel boiling there.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Before I=C2=A0 try it I was wondering if anyone has=
 tried this and if so what were the results.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">M</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div>
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