Subject: Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again

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Here is what happens to a mild steel resonator after a few years of=0Asi=
tting with water inside or hot/cold pipe driving conditions. Keep=0Aspar=
es, or go for stainless, and loose the sound effect. I blame this=0Aone=
 on covid. Hank=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "=
Alan Seigrist" =0ATo: "Jean Caron"=0ACc: "healey Mail List"=0ASent: Thur=
sday June 16 2022 9:10:27AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust a=
gain=0A=0A When you park the car after a long drive, water will collect=
 in a=0Amild steel exhaust system and relatively quickly the welds in th=
e=0Ainternal baffles on the silencer will corrode and break away. So=0Aw=
hether you drive the car or not the silencers corrode internally.=0Ahavi=
ng SS silencers is a good idea. pipes can be mild steel and they=0Awill=
 last forever. =0A On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 2:56 PM, Jean Caron  wrote:=0A=
   With the few miles we put on our cars each year I simply cannot see=
=0Athe need for stainless steel exhaust when a MD steel one will last 20=
=0A+ years anyway. =0A Jean =0A Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Ca=
nada=E2=80=99s largest network. =0A-------------------------=0AFROM: Hea=
leys  on behalf of Michael Salter =0ASENT: Monday, June 13, 2022 4:50:18=
 PM=0ATO: Stephen Hutchings =0ACC: healey Mail List =0ASUBJECT: Re: [Hea=
leys] Stainless exhaust again       I make my own=0Afront pipes for 100'=
s because the cheapo repos are so terrible. I use=0Amild steel for the p=
ipes, which I actually had mandrel bent in New=0AZealand because no one=
 in Canada seemed to be able to bend them to the=0Acorrect radius but, a=
nd pretty soon I'll get to the point of this=0Aemail, I weld the stainle=
ss flex to the mild steel with my TIG welder.=0A I use mild steel for th=
e pipes because I have yet to see a front pipe=0Athat has rusted through=
 unless the car is driven extensively on salted=0Aroads. I'm sure anyone=
 who does TIG welding could do the welding for=0Ayou in mild steel but i=
f you are prepared to pay handsomely FAB=0AStainless Welding could do th=
em in stainless 905 669 7400 ask for=0AFrank. BTW the stainless steel fl=
ex seems to leak slightly when first=0Ainstalled but that stops after a=
 little use, the gaps probably fill=0Awith carbon. =0A M  =0A On Mon., J=
un. 13, 2022, 3:54 p.m. Stephen Hutchings,  wrote:=0A  Just thought I=E2=
=80=99d bring you up to date on my quest for a leak free=0Aexhaust.=0A T=
he new downpipes arrive today, and I did a test on them before going=0At=
o the trouble of putting them on the car.=0A Well=E2=80=A6Bell exhaust s=
ystems need new welders, because the two pipes=0Aboth leak at the welds=
 AND through the flex pipe!=0A I=E2=80=99m trying to find someone local=
 to fix them, but most muffler=0Ashops say they can't weld stainless.=0A=
 If anyone knows someone in the Toronto area who can do this work,=0Aple=
ase let me know.=0A=0A Thanks,=0A Stephen, BJ8=0A ______________________=
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<html><body>Here is what happens to a mild steel resonator after a few y=
ears of sitting with water inside or hot/cold pipe driving conditions.&n=
bsp; Keep spares, or go for stainless, and loose the sound effect. I bla=
me this one on covid. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></d=
iv><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Alan Seigrist"=
 <[email-masked]><br>To: "Jean Caron"<br>Cc: "healey Mail List"<br=
>Sent: Thursday June 16 2022 9:10:27AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Stainle=
ss exhaust again<br><br>=0A<div>When you park the car after a long drive=
, water=0Awill collect in a mild steel exhaust system and relatively qui=
ckly=0Athe welds in the internal baffles on the silencer will corrode an=
d=0Abreak away. So whether you drive the car or not the silencers=0Acorr=
ode internally. &nbsp;having SS silencers is a good idea.=0A&nbsp;pipes=
 can be mild steel and they will last forever.</div>=0A<div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 J=
un 2022 at 2:56 PM,=0AJean Caron &lt;<a>vintage_roadster_restoration@hot=
mail.com</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;=
">=0A<div>=0A<div>With the few miles we put on our cars each=0Ayear&nbsp=
; I simply cannot see the need for stainless steel exhaust=0Awhen a MD s=
teel one will last 20 + years anyway.</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Jea=
n</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Sent from my Bell Samsung device over C=
anada=E2=80=99s largest=0Anetwork.</div>=0A<hr style=3D"width:98%;"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt;=
" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a>[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; on behalf of=0AMichael Salter &lt;<a>michaelsalter@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 13, 2022 4:50:18 PM<br><b>To:</=
b> Stephen Hutchings &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b>=
 healey Mail List &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</=
b> Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again</font>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A</=
div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div>I make my own front pipes for 100's=
 because the=0Acheapo repos are so terrible.&nbsp;=0A<div>I use mild ste=
el for the pipes, which I actually=0Ahad mandrel bent in New Zealand bec=
ause no one in Canada seemed to=0Abe able to bend them to the correct ra=
dius but, and pretty soon=0AI'll get to the point of this email, I weld=
 the stainless flex to=0Athe mild steel with my TIG welder.&nbsp;</div>=
=0A<div>I use mild steel for the pipes because I have yet=0Ato see a fro=
nt pipe that has rusted through unless the car is=0Adriven extensively o=
n salted roads.</div>=0A<div>I'm sure anyone who does TIG welding could=
 do the=0Awelding for you in mild steel but if you are prepared to pay=
=0Ahandsomely FAB Stainless Welding could do them in stainless 905 669=
=0A7400 ask for Frank.</div>=0A<div>BTW the stainless steel flex seems t=
o leak slightly=0Awhen first installed but that stops after a little use=
, the gaps=0Aprobably fill with carbon.</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>M=
</div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon., Jun. 13, 2022, 3=
:54 p.m. Stephen Hutchings,=0A&lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex;">=0AJust thought I=E2=80=99d bring you up to=
 date on my quest for a leak free=0Aexhaust.<br>=0AThe new downpipes arr=
ive today, and I did a test on them before=0Agoing to the trouble of put=
ting them on the car.<br>=0AWell=E2=80=A6Bell exhaust systems need new w=
elders, because the two pipes=0Aboth leak at the welds AND through the f=
lex pipe!<br>=0AI=E2=80=99m trying to find someone local to fix them, bu=
t most muffler=0Ashops say they can't weld stainless.<br>=0AIf anyone kn=
ows someone in the Toronto area who can do this work,=0Aplease let me kn=
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From: Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 12:12:47 -0700

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yep, look at all that Mild steel baffling that came out.  whether it is the
welds or the perforated baffles, anything that has been metalworked or
welded will corrode first/fast whether the car is driven or not.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:23 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Here is what happens to a mild steel resonator after a few years of
> sitting with water inside or hot/cold pipe driving conditions.  Keep
> spares, or go for stainless, and loose the sound effect. I blame this one
> on covid. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "Alan Seigrist"
> To: "Jean Caron"
> Cc: "healey Mail List"
> Sent: Thursday June 16 2022 9:10:27AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again
>
> When you park the car after a long drive, water will collect in a mild
> steel exhaust system and relatively quickly the welds in the internal
> baffles on the silencer will corrode and break away. So whether you drive
> the car or not the silencers corrode internally.  having SS silencers is =
a
> good idea.  pipes can be mild steel and they will last forever.
>
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 2:56 PM, Jean Caron <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> With the few miles we put on our cars each year  I simply cannot see the
>> need for stainless steel exhaust when a MD steel one will last 20 + year=
s
>> anyway.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest network.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael
>> Salter <[email-masked]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2022 4:50:18 PM
>> *To:* Stephen Hutchings <[email-masked]>
>> *Cc:* healey Mail List <[email-masked]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again
>>
>> I make my own front pipes for 100's because the cheapo repos are so
>> terrible.
>> I use mild steel for the pipes, which I actually had mandrel bent in New
>> Zealand because no one in Canada seemed to be able to bend them to the
>> correct radius but, and pretty soon I'll get to the point of this email,=
 I
>> weld the stainless flex to the mild steel with my TIG welder.
>> I use mild steel for the pipes because I have yet to see a front pipe
>> that has rusted through unless the car is driven extensively on salted
>> roads.
>> I'm sure anyone who does TIG welding could do the welding for you in mil=
d
>> steel but if you are prepared to pay handsomely FAB Stainless Welding co=
uld
>> do them in stainless 905 669 7400 ask for Frank.
>> BTW the stainless steel flex seems to leak slightly when first installed
>> but that stops after a little use, the gaps probably fill with carbon.
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Mon., Jun. 13, 2022, 3:54 p.m. Stephen Hutchings, <
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>> Just thought I=E2=80=99d bring you up to date on my quest for a leak fre=
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>> The new downpipes arrive today, and I did a test on them before going to
>> the trouble of putting them on the car.
>> Well=E2=80=A6Bell exhaust systems need new welders, because the two pipe=
s both
>> leak at the welds AND through the flex pipe!
>> I=E2=80=99m trying to find someone local to fix them, but most muffler s=
hops say
>> they can't weld stainless.
>> If anyone knows someone in the Toronto area who can do this work, please
>> let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen, BJ8
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<div dir=3D"ltr">yep, look at all that Mild steel baffling that came out.=
=C2=A0 whether it is the welds or the perforated baffles, anything that has=
 been metalworked or welded will corrode first/fast whether the car is driv=
en or not.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:23 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@cha=
rter.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Here is what happens to a mild steel reso=
nator after a few years of sitting with water inside or hot/cold pipe drivi=
ng conditions.=C2=A0 Keep spares, or go for stainless, and loose the sound =
effect. I blame this one on covid. Hank<br><br><div></div><p>--------------=
---------------------------</p>From: &quot;Alan Seigrist&quot; <u></u><br>T=
o: &quot;Jean Caron&quot;<br>Cc: &quot;healey Mail List&quot;<br>Sent: Thur=
sday June 16 2022 9:10:27AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust aga=
in<br><br>
<div>When you park the car after a long drive, water
will collect in a mild steel exhaust system and relatively quickly
the welds in the internal baffles on the silencer will corrode and
break away. So whether you drive the car or not the silencers
corrode internally. =C2=A0having SS silencers is a good idea.
=C2=A0pipes can be mild steel and they will last forever.</div>
<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 2:56 PM,
Jean Caron &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>With the few miles we put on our cars each
year=C2=A0 I simply cannot see the need for stainless steel exhaust
when a MD steel one will last 20 + years anyway.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Jean</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest
network.</div>
<hr style=3D"width:98%"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"=
 style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a>hea=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of
Michael Salter &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Monda=
y, June 13, 2022 4:50:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Stephen Hutchings &lt;<a>s.hutchi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> healey Mail List &lt;<a>healeys@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again</=
font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>I make my own front pipes for 100&#39;s because the
cheapo repos are so terrible.=C2=A0
<div>I use mild steel for the pipes, which I actually
had mandrel bent in New Zealand because no one in Canada seemed to
be able to bend them to the correct radius but, and pretty soon
I&#39;ll get to the point of this email, I weld the stainless flex to
the mild steel with my TIG welder.=C2=A0</div>
<div>I use mild steel for the pipes because I have yet
to see a front pipe that has rusted through unless the car is
driven extensively on salted roads.</div>
<div>I&#39;m sure anyone who does TIG welding could do the
welding for you in mild steel but if you are prepared to pay
handsomely FAB Stainless Welding could do them in stainless 905 669
7400 ask for Frank.</div>
<div>BTW the stainless steel flex seems to leak slightly
when first installed but that stops after a little use, the gaps
probably fill with carbon.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<br><div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon., Jun. 13, 2022, 3:54 p.m. Stephen Hutchings,
&lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Just thought I=E2=80=99d bring you up to date on my quest for a leak free
exhaust.<br>
The new downpipes arrive today, and I did a test on them before
going to the trouble of putting them on the car.<br>
Well=E2=80=A6Bell exhaust systems need new welders, because the two pipes
both leak at the welds AND through the flex pipe!<br>
I=E2=80=99m trying to find someone local to fix them, but most muffler
shops say they can&#39;t weld stainless.<br>
If anyone knows someone in the Toronto area who can do this work,
please let me know.<br><br>
Thanks,<br>
Stephen, BJ8<br>
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