From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 13:24:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6894842AB6 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:24:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D49425B5; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id da11so1449284veb.13 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jc1VwCdKW8ugwD7z71lfzj0Sh/oGrrgOZ90b1GVgKbY=; b=xzFfgbjPNkxCEQlC8NpueV8+7j+nN/bE8b0f3ocki30v5k+s53ViAxkWHCWNKMZEVs 55sKDHiVFHSEkOXH70LoShyPJVjdP03+n2tE7MGjKS1rpvy/rcYuI9JJqQrGBgOYa8/0 wI6E2hQFTg2Uopugc+QyYW2+pLGuXF8EIHrKXq0f1k0A7S1M7wonFYRBte3H2HeKKc4i a5n8FEAF5xwqgllhiwsVpggsOnGOmlJxGaA/lw+cO6meadh6OKQGS9upsGXeT8t0Uf2/ mEUtWTo5VLtc4aYZ/bNREG4oggWSHqCMicibiKM4Ul3xk1bBrMfITVc27otYmN4DdpsT siIg== fe10mr1178883vcb.26.1367434420442; Wed, 01 May 2013 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 13:53:40 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Shortest note ever... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net No TD work done today. Grandbaby sitting. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 16:51:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B20C42C79 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 16:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f43.google.com (mail-vb0-f43.google.com [209.85.212.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEBC40067; Thu, 2 May 2013 16:42:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id p14so930373vbm.2 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 15:40:38 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5xOLXyfGBYHkIpAHHNMd0phTBxKaQRHLH48lJoIq7Z0=; b=ewCaCoPIf5lMDFJ2gXzxuCVUeflznhoFpqU5EpZekjMOIevR8XvK+oIb/UeN4lFCnv +QWgKoEh9D3O2vHte6X0PVHwGsU+Q6Kut25W2kzJhVVEosNl9f6piOgvBdusAJFF9YTg f6StUNOlclXyS7HNFLzdw7EhIEzEKv2/n4m7Yp3SbTkfK4TeCHoMbwwE7COOGJOVG11E YKW7RDRMzEsviikBr5R629Qv8qPPUifQwQJaPitetnoRixgfB9+bwNDx00atES+pY4iP ClsIncJ655VLu7p71MRdok3AU+wenBSUMOlxRPswWax4dKIBB2beSxXggiD1kKE9SGzg P37w== ye2mr2465315vec.35.1367534438480; Thu, 02 May 2013 15:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 17:40:38 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] tank straps, spare carrier, seat back mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Today I did a little work in the garage. Specifically, I refinished the spare tire carrier and the fuel tank straps. That said, 'refinished' is a little too strong. The bits have been stripped of paint and rust, and primered awaiting paint. I also worked on the seat back attachments from the inner rear fenders. Yes, they are supposed to be chrome but the chrome is trashed. Therefore, I stripped and primered them. I can always replace these with new chrome units. As a reminder, here's how the spare carrier and tank straps looked, just after removing the spare. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1174.JPG Once removed and on the workbench, the paint was stripped. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_142757.jpg And here's how it looks after the paint was stripped, the rust sanded away and a nice coat of primer added. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130502_165920.jpg The clamp-mounts at the bottom have been cleaned and the bolts freshened. The wheel mounting studs are wrapped with masking tape. The license plate lamp wiring has not been replaced but is in hand, as is a new plate lamp assembly. Some PO had installed an aftermarket light. That unit is now in the trash. Once the spare tire frame is painted, I'll pull in the new wiring and mount the lamp. Here's a look at the fuel tank straps. One has been primered, the other stripped, sanded and ready for primer. The threaded studs on the bottom ends have had their threads cleaned and new nuts are now spun on, awaiting reassembly. And yes, one stud is bent. I'll decide later if its worth the risk of breaking, to straighten it. Here's the final picture for today. Its of the seat back attachments on the rear inner wheel wells. When I took the picture, the primer was still wet. These bits were chromed but the chrome was flaking off with lots of rust. After cleaning the brackets on the wire wheel, I primered them in anticipation of painting either gloss or wrinkle black. I may change them out for new chrome units but for now, they will be fresh and attractive. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130502_161826.jpg And that concludes today's work. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 10:09:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962C740441 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:09:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C98140416 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 10so2393831vbe.5 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iaf8eXuWNJg/Y9wYMzfv7XDytUhWgZ5F9oNNeC9G8/A=; b=WGAc8LAJqjcvncvW3KzXxIDpdpQil7zWekZ/pb7jTeKdPGvbePDfwkymQcj9O9q6kY Q2lzqpp+L1kPNHP+RtpAm6lGbnIUuxzYqIR+XdQN7g2Fqv5cJQY6Nugeu7uTN1HmgZnb vwZFaBvwsqFXbeDv36w5eJjk9RuOHJEzx/J7cs3jYejMooCOi7Io0ZL+8m2UxoQQNAmG 0zUP+0t7nfyTJ1UB9ycBPTL1U753VYKOvg0pH3wk0tzl5j2qINh9NmWENGzQmLoD94Z+ zm5BmhSp2VJ9gQjul/rvND4waPNRqgbZIHxDav/bi0Ib4WrKrkjcENGk8QIz/urarZXG UHig== wv3mr4948599vdb.82.1367769226502; Sun, 05 May 2013 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Sun, 5 May 2013 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 10:53:46 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] XPAG valve clearance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Please share your thoughts on valve clearance of a cold XPAG/TD2 engine. In short, what I am wondering is what clearance I should use on a freshly rebuilt engine, to get it hot enough to do a proper HOT engine valve clearance setting. I believe the hot clearance on the later engines is 0.012" so I'm guessing that 0.018" or so cold, would be fine for the initial warm-up. I'd much rather suffer valve chatter for a few minutes, than have the clearance close up due to linear expansion. Your thoughts? -rick PS: No, I'm nowhere near that point. Its just a question dancing around in my scattered mind this morning... ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 10:24:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CE440442 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5256640416 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YG2P1l0061GhbT85BGB1vs; Sun, 05 May 2013 16:11:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.229.243.26]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YGB01l01J0atUmS3TGB1Nn; Sun, 05 May 2013 16:11:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 12:11:00 -0400 From: Bud Krueger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Richard Lindsay , mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1367770261; bh=CRziPqLw2ke74W+d7Co4gf4mSUtg1FGsdaxxTS17Sog=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=bilDSf3ueQkY45eQCMkL6XHdMC6bCqyESpXrtp1rJ584FzQuWAomwrDAM2egQXBnS gCdU0CSny4i0VFNN1mGjSNyq+9V2GudwBeRnjZ35uAjxf0NpHQ4JjSag3lb4CtDJoX IwBoHeuzrhxy+lbAdddqGgq3dTnv5Ol9IjZFJ+YS9jvd04ewMCrhUwW93poq+SklPc N8X+H4upP7tWOBLn1RP2zVPHitpFl2IDRRZxWiE12UeqosNWstoQ0QHp6xVhm/awip wLpma7s3YYBLhHxtE9BT5VyMhdTuvj9logUu/gvUSNl3LiNTdobViWs/BYSBmHT/tq eouQGVNljnWFQ== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] XPAG valve clearance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net What camshaft is in the engine? Bud Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > Please share your thoughts on valve clearance of a cold XPAG/TD2 engine. > In short, what I am wondering is what clearance I should use on a freshly > rebuilt engine, to get it hot enough to do a proper HOT engine valve > clearance setting. I believe the hot clearance on the later engines is > 0.012" so I'm guessing that 0.018" or so cold, would be fine for the > initial warm-up. I'd much rather suffer valve chatter for a few minutes, > than have the clearance close up due to linear expansion. Your thoughts? > > -rick > > PS: No, I'm nowhere near that point. Its just a question dancing around in > my scattered mind this morning... > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 19:24:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A2F42C9E for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 19:24:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21777427FC for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 19:19:33 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1367803046; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=lhiY+MI4Axvms81nA7akeQ9fLWnw6RQozq6W2mtzXoR7fA/t9jSu/QMZNZSddNGQ7 55S0B8VbjbTRwOC9DftVA9eHHhuINVFqoljgRRgGB8hanpdgjLLuA3znf6QE0FAHt4 8iIWRf8FlGGr3oqj9JbuVTnd05TV6cKiuUuDTyvg= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ2QBFEA5ARYKA for (sender ); Sun, 5 May 2013 18:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 6 May 2013 01:17:01 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 01:17:01 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] XPAG valve clearance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rick, If you know with certainty that the camshaft in the engine is original, its safe to set clearances as directed by MG. if you are not certain which, of several once-available cams it is, then identifying it will be necessary. The .019 clearance for the earlier cam is plenty loose, so you can set that cold then adjust again hot. The .012 for the later cam could, one supposes, be set a thou or two loose initially, then adjusted hot, though I can't recall anyone doing that. Mine is a Crane cam that was so noisy that i called Crane. The engineer said that the instruction clearance was for hard running and racing, and to use smaller clearances for normal driving. I forget what they are, but can look them up for you if needed. Some do the first start with only one spring per valve. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] XPAG valve clearance Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 10:53:46 -0500 Hi Friends, Please share your thoughts on valve clearance of a cold XPAG/TD2 engine. In short, what I am wondering is what clearance I should use on a freshly rebuilt engine, to get it hot enough to do a proper HOT engine valve clearance setting. I believe the hot clearance on the later engines is 0.012" so I'm guessing that 0.018" or so cold, would be fine for the initial warm-up. I'd much rather suffer valve chatter for a few minutes, than have the clearance close up due to linear expansion. Your thoughts? -rick PS: No, I'm nowhere near that point. Its just a question dancing around in my scattered mind this morning... ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 21:28:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A378642D5B for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 21:28:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227C542BEC for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 21:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU404-EAS154 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 May 2013 20:23:54 -0700 References: From: Mike E Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 23:23:52 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay FILETIME=[235E8080:01CE4A09] Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] XPAG valve clearance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, This doesn't answer your question about a cold clearance setting, but I believe John Twist recommends setting later XPAGs with a factory cam at .015 (hot). He says .012 is too tight. He also recommends the go/no go method, in which you use a .014 feeler and a .016 feeler - when the .014 feeler will go in the gap, and the .016 won't, then it's set right. Here's a video showing how he does it. http://youtu.be/fezXUwVfH7U I think .018 or a little less would be fine for the inaugural warmup. -Mike Sent from my iPad On May 5, 2013, at 12:08, "Richard Lindsay" wrote: > Hi Friends, > > Please share your thoughts on valve clearance of a cold XPAG/TD2 engine. > In short, what I am wondering is what clearance I should use on a freshly > rebuilt engine, to get it hot enough to do a proper HOT engine valve > clearance setting. I believe the hot clearance on the later engines is > 0.012" so I'm guessing that 0.018" or so cold, would be fine for the > initial warm-up. I'd much rather suffer valve chatter for a few minutes, > than have the clearance close up due to linear expansion. Your thoughts? > > -rick > > PS: No, I'm nowhere near that point. Its just a question dancing around in > my scattered mind this morning... > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 15:49:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F984042A for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 15:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E26403DA; Mon, 6 May 2013 15:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hz10so3572494vcb.10 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:46:52 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bslhLeYZ4w5uuReTxRtV2iSzE34B/dcH80NJXeaQ21Y=; b=Eiu288Z0rGc5bqV8LEVuWT0q4TGJ6nlrQyIWsXHIMW/Xuw+SKmfMArq6IR07g5PaF0 ncAtKOCvob73pxrKI71A3waIQ/Jyo2zn5QEF0Z4zbPnGFG4sEmlLPE9sR8tYLNGEBaT+ VvuPjnT2yZtOXqinKAd4sy8PQ9uATaZ6jsBeL8yRCsZboDg7CL/ytSU35s66Dc1fcRd6 2lX0D2gUjp/r3vlycqOUemeR9lXL4LaW6JOeAAYlTb4m1lOuoHD5L5WTbKCBst48m4nO RBpGJxnBYCGWWuGRS4mAo7BdgHCHoaI0u5gWJnuLICptB9rMmgQgk5Pq+FkM/r2wm5yD A+ag== ym6mr5137221vdb.88.1367876812145; Mon, 06 May 2013 14:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 16:46:52 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Sand, repair, primer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Back in the garage today. Yesterday we took the new grandson (and his parents) to the Houston Polish Festival. Great fun. Great food. Lots of music and dancing. In the garage this morning my first quest was to remove the hinges from the side curtain door. One of the hinges was broken off, the other so rusty that it would barely move. I'll replace the hinges with generic units. The T-nuts are ruined but are easily replaced from the bins at Ace hardware. Here's how the door looks at the hinge point. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130506_103051.jpg The wood will be repaired, redrilled to match the new hinges, and then new T-nuts will be installed. Only then will the door be recovered. Next step was to remove the right front wing. Fortunately, it came off with only a minimal fight. After that, the bolts holding the radiator shell to the radiator frame were removed. Some cake out without much trouble. Three had to be drilled out. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130506_105932.jpg The rear lip of the radiator shell has been abused, all around, but will be easily repaired with a little hammer and dolly work. I then moved on to the windscreen mount area where the metal was rust pitted. Here's how it looked right after removing the windscreen. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1090.JPG The paint was stripped and the area was then sanded down to bare metal. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1255.JPG And then the rust pitted area was coated with Metal Ready then when dry and cleaned again, it was painted with POR15. I know there are various arguments about POR15 but I have had GREAT luck using it under paint. After the POR15 cured, I added a tiny bit of body filler to infill the divots left by the rust. Yes, most of the damage is under the windscreen hardware but I did put the mount in place and verified that the damage was exposed ahead of the mount. After sanding the filler down to the metal contour leaving filler in the divots, I sprayed it with primer - still wet in this picture. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130506_104944.jpg Moving a bit down and aft, I cleaned and primered the the left front and left rear sides of the tub. The sill still needs sanding and a little more work. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1269.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1271.JPG Some work is still needed at the leaded joint at the top of the B-post. A little careful application of body filler will reshape this area. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1270.JPG In that previous picture you can see the inner wheelwell undercoated with POR15, awaiting sanding and primer. Before moving back to the workbench to clean things up and put freshly removed parts in baggies, I cleaned and primered the top of the dash. Here's how it looks as the first coat of primer begins drying. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1268.JPG I did do one other test. A kind listmember told me that the nasty looking fuel filler would polish up nicely. Here's a before and after pair of pictures. The 'after' picture is has not been polished at this stage, just cleaned! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1116.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1273.JPG This work is not the final solution but the primer is a layer of protection while working on the rest of the tub. Once all the rusty bolts are out, I'll lift the tub from the chassis. Until then, I need to put order back in the garage...and that's what I'll go do now. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:08:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E6D4041B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85008403EB; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id lf10so3573974vcb.34 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 16:06:02 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IP6GfmX0Qt2/nF+50lk6Dby6hoAAGmsDMSZwPe00Rnk=; b=QoZevOJ6m+bxXfz8IRXoZ3JAGqtyHLsIUkDW1YySUKm284yFCakFSmPJCBy6EVs48y cXkrxbJFVBpAf11LLq0mMktWrNJ1k67y/25maZ+1rEmloI1TQ4Yh35t9Pt4IhTJ7KPvL nR+sFBSXWzC51VY5yj4SDFyrFrUbGjgPYMRuSv0puQbsJCEzCY9tkZWiSHBY+rupi17M PERotpYj6r2hXzdI6K79AZjzTMPdz4K0sPhEA9W/hGJXIRWSgO5Z/nwRI/m155I5aUtd ABeyXDw5I3VTWMKdSKZDrVAH2xy3Pj1/39RhNs2a5d43crxHq5I8sHO5EDqcNk5QTnXh c85w== Mon, 06 May 2013 16:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:06:02 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Define 'contrast'... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net 'Contrast' defined! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130506_173608.jpg -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 13:22:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1932940431 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5759403FE; Tue, 7 May 2013 13:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ht11so905698vcb.18 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 12:19:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QRTWY6WEW2TpHDlylaIIM7tBcS3O8RPvcBgxMa1qE9Y=; b=XZlTS0yiRyQ/8p4bwg/iiH0NL/B9b4LljvXqz2j8CNIUbw4KIoGXgWn73B0/PLI7od PUhAQpKrfMiIDCDxQkOagVGIybYin51A0trO61lsWOkKj7+PU+tzk8/AzXG/xNMK3MTj gFXuLT5ILBofQdCfHDZOAyaRb384wR8qm+RuSqurFlNG/3Yz8pJ7l+JOlaDnwQpJea+X U9ngT/BsRatd/T2PhEyX54BiyNiJtPIbTfCKaztOZznBAyiH/0yZ690iNYZbwQD1XTVw HXe9RDMqskiulB2tLCNswRYBSRpjwLu6JunnyFxLjEmKwzYLHLYfV8xv6X+VywP3S4gp qVWw== dw5mr2218372vcb.47.1367954381143; Tue, 07 May 2013 12:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Tue, 7 May 2013 12:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:19:41 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Some work on the grill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Today I picked up a lot of clutter in the garage and rebuilt the radiator shell and grill. That wasn't my intent this morning, but its the work that got done. Pictures follow. The work started with polishing part of the radiator shell, just as a test. Here's how it looked. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1274.JPG Here are a few pictures of the radiator after the shell and screen were removed. These were taken as an aid to reassembly. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1275.JPG Obviously the grill was resprayed turquoise while in place. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1276.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1277.JPG Here's how the shell looked, partially polished, sitting on the garage floor. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1278.JPG Careful disassembly allowed the grill to be removed without damage to the grill, the studs or the brass nuts. Here's how the grill looks on the bench. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1281.JPG Here is the grill, now coated with paint stripper. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1282.JPG Once stripped of paint and the rust sanded away, the grill was primered with Rusoleum Rusty Metal Primer. The primer is beginning to dry in this picture. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1283.JPG Here's another look with a second coat of primer. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1285.JPG Here's the grill with the first coat of paint - an SEM color to match the Honey Tan interior. In this case, the think coat of red primer is still showing through the paint. It got another couple of coats, leaving it a good match for the leather.. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130507_120026.jpg And finally, here is the shell and grill, all refinished and reassembled. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1286.JPG Once there is a super thin coat of black paint on the radiator, the grill will look great. And now I just realized that I have tan paint under a couple of fingernails. Poo. Hole in the glove. Happy Tuesday! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 14:36:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEED40419 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A729403FE for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 14:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.53] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 20:33:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 20:33:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367958828; bh=WQLDvXECRiY1cNQ1VB2k5ajitZ+WOJDXTsz7uth/8go=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=fODVRMVkjt/3QsJ2yaDCo17bHGH/7ukDm3j3am/o/QAOw3tNWx9RiAFixNZSVnE4/1ALRPcnM4IgE683Qb/i7c74XjFVx46oeSUw1h1wLeCCHcl8JaYXfTjEZvp4bBknng8KiyreyHuU/CvX5cEm8ouT2zTEPLkxFpiqFxX9wRU= xCXYMBCiUlHlbHNgM3D0yP7BUrBE5EhaIdxS8Q7bRnTBaTcIREvIANjihreM yBgYPgteBSNpm_6Q9uqi19qOoHYhTWiXjg7DoBMn_PUrXgpVVh81eXa1YbLP GSikCeQo16bVbKTMVHkjPP7jnu.DWgVBZQ5wH44hc.78.ACRK6cInugCEKLk IUK64GJPWR4aENtOrJra93HtEDB0VMzMklYnKZmG5Awow_0yxW3uSU1uLElG jHSNLvI57GRTAbm8wMxo4MRju49u9C7TCbWam3t00WIOJOfCFZRgtb5PTfN0 iqLiLW_HYDewoJyZxFJSZ7aCHiZdI8SjPQNuhmU5U1enYkqLUyRUAMIu6ilJ MVa4BTnkzPZWGO8CbaMz7tM6rTIzhl6poTCVpkHzbfbCT8yg1GF1iV.VHk3W ch152p65Y7FdW1l7Pf5g9QjKb1MO_Paqw91odZNLCpx9S8uX60DOA4CKw35I M4ewp8Edxg5AoZ2ppFfneZuTy4SbNzzsxTH5Mr4jE2dGzp7g- plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 May 2013 13:33:48 -0700 PDT From: Gene Gillam Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:33:47 -0500 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Some work on the grill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Damn but you work fastor do you get started at 4 am? Gene Gillam Saucier, MS On May 7, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > Today I picked up a lot of clutter in the garage and rebuilt the > radiator shell and grill. That wasn't my intent this morning, but its > the work that got done. Pictures follow. > > The work started with polishing part of the radiator shell, just as a > test. Here's how it looked. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1274.JPG > > Here are a few pictures of the radiator after the shell and screen > were removed. These were taken as an aid to reassembly. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1275.JPG > > Obviously the grill was resprayed turquoise while in place. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1276.JPG > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1277.JPG > > Here's how the shell looked, partially polished, sitting on the garage floor. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1278.JPG > > Careful disassembly allowed the grill to be removed without damage to > the grill, the studs or the brass nuts. Here's how the grill looks on > the bench. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1281.JPG > > Here is the grill, now coated with paint stripper. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1282.JPG > > Once stripped of paint and the rust sanded away, the grill was > primered with Rusoleum Rusty Metal Primer. The primer is beginning to > dry in this picture. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1283.JPG > > Here's another look with a second coat of primer. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1285.JPG > > Here's the grill with the first coat of paint - an SEM color to match > the Honey Tan interior. In this case, the think coat of red primer is > still showing through the paint. It got another couple of coats, > leaving it a good match for the leather.. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130507_120026.jpg > > And finally, here is the shell and grill, all refinished and reassembled. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1286.JPG > > Once there is a super thin coat of black paint on the radiator, the > grill will look great. > > And now I just realized that I have tan paint under a couple of > fingernails. Poo. Hole in the glove. > > Happy Tuesday! > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/anngene@bellsouth.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 15:05:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC6240444 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 15:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F3A40324 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 15:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 19:08:34 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 19:08:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 19:08:34 -0000 WN2WEwFAuP4bfGUv8oxNIWF_NRx02jHRyDVWouF3s9j1FPvwQLeB1epgQDFU ldvzBzNQTvfQ486p6hQRxSCshNG_DmyIHd0lqL89XHITiclaEaCOcZlM_fNo c0UOSsv3EKDNxvrGiNBkIYdjFycvNwCGCzhjiy41r_ADH2guRY_V9RDmbvQ9 EwYlfQuWcaPZgfKCndFABEJ3izrmPgCMzxXPGEuoo1edsoufnrhOx2Jvg5kl Q.IKIvl456fR1GR1ILhTi65VAEUkgeCOeRaMFljTPXlD89Vh3Nr__ZxYziLn cWXYpZpEyDClKQzMAjm0xjAD9Ux.hIBzxG..9LdipeStZgZrhWdJ9tXXBjBQ I.ujqO1xiooCV2oqOyD7_FXQdw35Hwx8pkBpDbAfh9Tvgs4CE0AHFE0G3gQY O0ydBziFNQ1OmppZfi0sPYR3zhuGfrix1Re28GgSkbbJShe5CzkRopLOvQA6 sq7UR8_OdpodjljIbJvTp8yn6aqlf7LInZFb1DKB0 smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 May 2013 19:08:34 +0000 UTC From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:08:32 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I'm curious what you plans for painting the car are. Mike > > Once stripped of paint and the rust sanded away, the grill was > primered with Rusoleum Rusty Metal Primer. The primer is beginning to > dry in this picture. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1283.JPG ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 15:24:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A68940515 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 15:24:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34A14041B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 15:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id xn12so2232656obc.10 for ; Wed, 08 May 2013 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=naMRP+CnnHilca0fG8wSlIwLepNDjYzQPUMjwE64ir0=; b=lcXs4FwOOnwFXaQfEukZa9JkuiDzc2bDTcii/UjSH2BBLXG5vxvv3Swh/LWl+uGLan 123VPrkpmSMGDcaX262fs2WJ3GVC2fn3mDYIB8Kvzbt1zH00pRGzrUGItG4zLUkS20b7 UgV4vu+JwnjYkAMRZc3h3k7Z/FzQc7vxpL/VdM6AVzt4dAa0TZY+ew1hwaBI+SgftvVd VCiE9CyIj0cv51qRYmuqROB9c0Zk7EUseDrGOGAh8Izk+N40BE94HOm8dI8LD+o4mW2I pLs1OdPYe1TQ+Q+YDIwxwMeoSCP55ktUlhMyqwIYGq3rZTmC7+T8BOlpi0egasXWKeaF DbaQ== ib9mr1602195obb.13.1368048131203; Wed, 08 May 2013 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wq8sm195048obb.7.2013.05.08.14.22.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2013 14:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 16:22:07 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mike@duvallvideo.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Oh man. B What a question! B Until today, my mind was made up. B Now I'm waffling - a littleB The interior will be Honey Tan with Honey Tan carpet. B That's already in the garage in storage. B I took advantage of that 30% Moss discount, offered earlier. The most likely color will be Autumn Red. B I know that color was not an option in 1953, but I really like it! B But also in the running is medium gray metallic and two-tone gray (light gray body, darker gray wings). B Dark red will probably win. B After all red/tan is a Ferrari standard. B :-P Today I talked with a paint shop about media blasting, etch primer, infilling the rubbley surface rust areas and painting the wings, running boards and doors with me painting the tub. B I'll use the same paint the shop uses. B It will be a single stage, non-metallic paint. B Cost estimate was $1500. B Given what I paid to have my 308GTB painted, $1500 is free! -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Duvall Video Productions Date: 05/08/2013 2:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Rick, I'm curious what you plans for painting the car are.B Mike > > Once stripped of paint and the rust sanded away, the grill was > primered with Rusoleum Rusty Metal Primer.B The primer is beginning to > dry in this picture. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1283.JPG ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 16:04:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2017040433 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 16:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FE840396; Wed, 8 May 2013 16:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ht11so2205559vcb.32 for ; Wed, 08 May 2013 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/ilnkGYa09w68QN2zFLXEWR5RqCprWMrGr23AF2n6Ys=; b=DKg9DmCFv2Pk/JILK068foYFt6+nvdY/5u9GQ+Rrx9FZkbMeAv94Ik2n/bPry8qPSl Nu142fD4zQZLl5bv2mOpAxFLo+dubETEgHEn5p+4Sd5OVvrpcfW8mWLcIFywlTk1Oyns 3uxmbZpUuLM+CHYJVVNmSdp5SaTYJii8qzVTho8CUgbXPta4bgneYv5T1DHOFmfcspJ7 mXeN4fFnIkobKvF+a3aG0zmAOTWSQuf20N5Ti2aXrO98JMeJ9GvwGYZJkcbZRq+wB20C 9G/9dlRfejyOlRHnGJPYUIigf2OLoZPrIZQrWlLd1ifHsU0egUY17bGkEngabsRadXl4 xFwQ== fe10mr6028483vcb.26.1368050353677; Wed, 08 May 2013 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Wed, 8 May 2013 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:59:13 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Fuel tank removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Today I removed the fuel tank from my TD. The tank is sound but has a coating of surface rust. Inside its pretty clean and it doesn't leak. Step one was draining the gallon or so of nasty old fuel. My wife HATES the smell of old gasoline so I did that job while she was out for coffee with a friend. After the tank was empty, by removing the drain plug, I removed the fuel outlet assembly. The filter is completely plugged. I'll soak it in carb cleaner to see if it will clean up acceptably well. More on that later. I also removed the fuel level switch and found that it wouldn't move. That's a project for another day. I'll report back on that later also. Here's a look at the tank, laying in the driveway, washed inside and out with soap and water. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130508_141523.jpg Once it dries on the outside, I'll route my shop-vac's output air into the tank until it dries thoroughly. Then I'll look in the tank carefully with my bore scope and decide if it needs to be coated. I have a Moss kit, if needed. Here's how the rear of the car looks with the tank removed. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130508_141536.jpg I have since stripped the paint from the metal on the tub. In this picture, I had not yet sanded the metal but have since done so. Its currently drying with a coat of MetalReady on it, neutralizing rust. Here's how it looked after the first strip. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130508_150441.jpg I don't plan on stripping the wood or removing the the tank pads. I'll just sand the wood, mask the pads, primer and paint. And that's it for Wednesday. Fun work on the bench coming, fixing the fuel sensor and the fuel outlet filter. Woohoo. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 16:20:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424064042D for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 16:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53DC4041B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 16:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 22:15:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 22:15:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 22:15:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368051304; bh=QnJbjF6xrXJqO59hqThzc83JMZ30w4Qu2WmAe8oPHPM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=uKUvEnkUmrPxvjHrXLmSaZ2Thm4t5TZC0WMhPouMtygLytjPZt9UVeDQCXdI3eoLUF6ONPrY2LC+TZETmKhV0GNqjsw96Fb0kyAVWTUBcVxV4qNguqJoYb5xC4RfxBc0mn3h/SJyWLZvUKt72M/4d8IvsnF173S3IKN/mbUSrW8= UdVATT.4rg9GFUYcmC_wSal5YOwXvWzS490GKA5zbtJWVQVeoMG712lyvF7A JxUZyKAGjw3RfecVJiCGPZQnYZ5CNc48G6M_5FKCyxNR3WugIfgko8Y75V6y UPFfLrk4lVy7bMXtHXqZHOvfyi9kGZCKee3IxMc3QQwJUBSygE4Z6Pb2vIyo pW91wVpCn.FuFShe2NOZFDN9JkRcnDtEIVSZwla7Qs0sr1hXutj_qrJE0_eg CvZWme6h2cuwRyCfy.s2xzBCNnEX_w6US_fYuihU6UBsggU_IUfj7kBCbRYT 70UQw58R0wNpjGa1FAXAwZKcck7680xigKgHf373Wl7HHz2pVoGmG468BCid pnHAc.5Va1NhnhKAmCmLYcmtosyk1JXd7W0HIosxExHwKzbRofDv. plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 May 2013 15:15:04 -0700 PDT From: Gene Gillam Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:15:03 -0500 References: To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Fuel tank removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, Fuel sending units are notoriously hard to seal to the gas tankand the sending units are basically useless since they're simply a "You got gas"/"You ain't got a lot of gas" indicator. I highly recommend you blank off the tank sending unit area and use a stick as your gas gauge. IF you succeed in getting your sending unit to work take extra care making sure the surface against the tank it perfectly straight OR IT WILL NOT SEAL and you'll have gas leaking all the time. Been there, done that Gene Gillam Saucier, MS On May 8, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I also removed the fuel level switch and found that it wouldn't move. > That's a project for another day. I'll report back on that later > also. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 06:38:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E83340510 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 06:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.ecu.edu (mail1.ecu.edu [150.216.17.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1820D4038B for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 06:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO Hub3.intra.ecu.edu) ([150.216.17.190]) by ironport1.ecu.edu with ESMTP; 09 May 2013 08:35:37 -0400 Received: from MOE.intra.ecu.edu ([169.254.3.100]) by Hub3.intra.ecu.edu ([150.216.17.190]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:35:37 -0400 From: "Gable, Gerry" To: Rick Lindsay , "mike@duvallvideo.com" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Thread-Index: AQHOTDIXFQ3Y3k7fw0uCQmCg1L8Z7Zj8yV5w Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:35:36 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [150.216.17.74] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of paints I wondered if anyone could tell what paint and the color formula for the yellowish TC - which was it original color - to use. Thanks Gerry -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 5:22 PM To: mike@duvallvideo.com; mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Oh man. B What a question! B Until today, my mind was made up. B Now I'm waffling - a littleB The interior will be Honey Tan with Honey Tan carpet. B That's already in the garage in storage. B I took advantage of that 30% Moss discount, offered earlier. The most likely color will be Autumn Red. B I know that color was not an option in 1953, but I really like it! B But also in the running is medium gray metallic and two-tone gray (light gray body, darker gray wings). B Dark red will probably win. B After all red/tan is a Ferrari standard. B :-P Today I talked with a paint shop about media blasting, etch primer, infilling the rubbley surface rust areas and painting the wings, running boards and doors with me painting the tub. B I'll use the same paint the shop uses. B It will be a single stage, non-metallic paint. B Cost estimate was $1500. B Given what I paid to have my 308GTB painted, $1500 is free! -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Duvall Video Productions Date: 05/08/2013 2:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Rick, I'm curious what you plans for painting the car are.B Mike > > Once stripped of paint and the rust sanded away, the grill was > primered with Rusoleum Rusty Metal Primer.B The primer is beginning > to dry in this picture. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1283.JPG ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:33:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBED540567 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EAC40333 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 16:31:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 16:31:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 16:31:10 -0000 MGQcuQeJLuIoJEGBoNLKbyMhqf0LGaqZ4T8d85ohf5cYWYr18PYKfUrE8_XQ UWwHMc94pmVtZ3xSbjCSF0poku62ahhwNZrkGhNs6KZxZZU8ERFDn6YYHx7p brsF10IfvtBAARyJwY89QxQTTISf.u_jGZUbaZHDSMU842K7TLNKFAwoDn2h PmnjFih2lw6CL8SrIajX02dkoR3kXEm_kxEtGiGtMfQS3XDIDGyy0IdmDMa8 1b_LwFgzBoGcbGdlu6HiZ3MvcF._nam64xGp7llC2ajdoJc9RJ.t_psSflyT d4R3AA30CiNv5MJg5LzOOIYoOwcpu.PWHdK2nZ_NmGqdmfiCRecemj_7EVTi TtX4NHZEDpfdLvioinzM4jk43kGKs_WfR8_EHNMz6dlQeVGsoXGauJFaDoyW 1QUc- smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 09:31:10 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:31:09 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hard to beat red! On May 8, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Oh man. What a question! Until today, my mind was made up. Now I'm waffling - a little > > The interior will be Honey Tan with Honey Tan carpet. That's already in the garage in storage. I took advantage of that 30% Moss discount, offered earlier. > > The most likely color will be Autumn Red. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:42:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07DF4056A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.249]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F006340511 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 16:37:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.53] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 16:37:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 16:37:42 -0000 FfCY15x0oVr9C7V9Tnd8bj5YvR8T8FhZU..ugHeOeuDxgyikPRSnR8N_FaXk N2CU4uzKYwROA6o_tQzTP8R_8soM3wi9Ui1U7jFGUl5rTKS3.0OHv2WYFRPE BqCXfSBJ_KP0RVmr4GXPVSM_NvuFO_LEQ0QUzy8a5nFb9DH7vR5H4Av3_hG2 Dh3oQT2wW77IT9pLXJtZx_7jLD1b7w3t8dj.ibqc.yfDQScA2M3dRAoDawpG 9A19sqhh3ZuDte0XBJ3KoMajFz06G4Qf38EuO5IkMd5awKGUX1Y69pEu1SPT fY_zkIngvhMm.cQn16HmAQxsK5.Qhf_pXOBPVfgbH8hRoqLeT1WU3VbAc02N SuBGesEBO9BJzXw9UP8RTUElNp4UkWH.OHeqUdXfZ8ikbTAgBhDQBwwXQERM 3RGlFxRpUszHJTsa6jpSlMI2LuCDcHoQik6yzpeZGafMjkWVR18DLdxXD3IF 3ESCYIuzoa0euG4v.iWELyXoLNI_kSbQDrJoiS4E- smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 09:37:42 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:37:41 -0500 References: To: "Gable, Gerry" Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Bulk] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Go here for paint formulas.... http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm#Ivory On May 9, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Gable, Gerry wrote: > Speaking of paints I wondered if anyone could tell what paint and the color formula for the yellowish TC - which was it original color - to use. > Thanks > Gerry ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 17:47:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0ED40E02 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADD740549; Sat, 11 May 2013 17:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i3so4291216vbh.26 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fuYbbk2W9489GHpQRzCNGEv32wio9+PSdiQatqPaNbo=; b=c/wI+sxrvBT90XB/6oteog0kYQx0rAx0YizL8gXJXkkAkKmK064hW6+nhlhiffCSck fbeE76hhtScXHg8GICq0HlD/c8LSqwbPJqgXqVtGjwppsO1WX5jDMOYfZcQFGhvn0iw6 RDMcnCka9V4i57QyqlxPNER2aw80psyGB9DjiWWan5AkxCEVoa1cTZFzL0tE7C7OOQjb niMasv1JL4dy94N+t0oOgadUsTd13mUql1OYyutftgpBSBOEs827BX1mP0QBCbh8H3BG xm+al4atwmh0jLHPop7fRBFIBBf0Nzs1bApj+ASzFLnSFtP9gD1thsdNK+aPu9yewpdi QJJQ== o4mr12689950vdg.73.1368315877686; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 18:44:37 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Some work on the Cowl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Spent some time in the garage today. First of all, I got out all the new parts that I bought back when Moss was having that big sale. I then paired them with the parts previously removed. For example, I had cleaned and refinished the seat-back attachments previously. I got those bits back out, selected bolts and nuts, and the all the new chrome hardware I got on sale, and then put the assemblies into 'kits'. I next sanded the body tub below the running board line, on the left hand side. I then primered it and once dry, filled the rubbley pits will a thin film of body filler. More on that in a minute. While all of that was drying and curing, I removed all the various bits from the cowl. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130511_151418.jpg I then cleaned those various mounts in preparation for repainting black. Here's how they look now, mostly cleaned up on the wire wheel. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130511_175552.jpg Disclaimer: I don't care for Starbucks politics, but the do make good coffee. I then sanded the metal clean on the left hand side of the cowl, and applied primer. Its still drying in this picture, leading to the mottled appearance in the photo. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130511_175607.jpg I'll work my way across the cowl, cleaning and primering as I go. Here's another look at the whole area. The quarter ahead of the rear wing mount still needs a little filler to bring the repair up to level. In this picture, the primer there was still drying. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130511_175625.jpg And now, everything is resting - including me. The last picture is of the VIN, from the left front frame horn: TD28464. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130510_140951.jpg Tomorrow morning, after the Spanish F1 Grand Prix, I'll primer then paint the various cowl brackets and the headlight dimmer switch. I'll then select new bolts and nuts to attach these bits and assemble them into kits, awaiting reassembly. Yea, I know its kinda OCD, but hey, this IS a hobby. Happy Saturday, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 11:51:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDC440412 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0DB403C7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id uz6so909215obc.36 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:49:02 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=dZ+3dlB9yxXrRJ7MX/WDONa+5q387rKKEYU5Hfqt5mo=; b=boGviB/knXSotDjbpdChZFuSAaaLw/NtwLY0GyxEhcHy9ZldCCUi+xHxucqjZE7EBq YhXAMRJFwkHbFkm84nFIsZZcXOcw8qIGrOGUkaOSpyDZgBM4Am7GvDaWcSB9+kZ7SaB7 51LlZiprKSs0Jn6iOAmS/VgvL+6xmZ8Qzw4nMli5nGZWjklvjCAazcYgntKm/zxptkTU izpFUTySEyCPHYXiblj98DSatXfwHAg346Ecvv2Hq0t8GKX6gIYSupyXrBoD3LJ41+z6 8og3PsDq7gxamJf6AMiBwHuMuxFyONJOYqx3AbeYSRUq4n0uS83mn1mrRZ67Cabfu4VQ HB/w== t3mr11356616obv.87.1368380942583; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jz6sm12941485oeb.3.2013.05.12.10.49.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 May 2013 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:48:58 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, My TD's running boards are in good shape but of course, they'll get painted with the rest of the car. B And the aluminum strips are in good condition...and riveted on. B There is no rust at the strips. This leads me to the question; Do I drill out the rivets and install the new Al strips, OR, just use the strips I have after media blasting? B They will be matte aluminum after media blasting BUT, the new strips I have now are also matte finish! B I'm thinking I should leave them in place, mask them off before primer and paint, then install the new rubber treads after the paint cures. B Thoughts? B Advice? B Thanks. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 11:55:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8851B42277 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECF1403C7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:55:36 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dPKoQk83BewFW5PHDJO0LQZMQ836pZOWLn+OdWel8QoTK9akRaZK23+xD9gix9Wj; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.80.76.71] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UbaS9-0001C3-BE; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:52:57 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 10:52:56 -0700 References: To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I would recommend removing them. Easier to paint. You could buff, or scotchbright after blasting, to give a shine. I place a #10 nylon washer between the strips and the running board. Easier to clean under the strips, once attached again. John Seim Irvine, CA On May 12, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > My TD's running boards are in good shape but of course, they'll get painted with the rest of the car. B And the aluminum strips are in good condition...and riveted on. B There is no rust at the strips. This leads me to the question; Do I drill out the rivets and install the new Al strips, OR, just use the strips I have after media blasting? B They will be matte aluminum after media blasting BUT, the new strips I have now are also matte finish! B I'm thinking I should leave them in place, mask them off before primer and paint, then install the new rubber treads after the paint cures. B > > Thoughts? B Advice? B Thanks. > > -rick > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 12:04:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB36C425BA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421B6403FA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 18:01:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 18:01:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 18:01:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368381689; bh=JW5StqmriKxmI2fGGTkxz4aw8XzZ4DNp8BCVa0l6iyc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=VDO2vBtNFrImGKmoWjYfyzEvxcifgvcYa7+DUoRwluKME1YyPF4eJwWOEU3gbrlnMBP6SJQF0pwjSWrX2nEvH7znMWjhG90mVix0er/hhE6/n02rHyzVxhKlEh+P4WTHv5fO8J4XJ6g3226jv2cP/RWSN54Q5PZ9Qy0jkL2VyBE= ppQDDkOOUl1eQsJIlgbL0wATVGER_73UyJ0v_26yLxyKu1ljBixg0aWivSmU em_sKUoExvUrnnJ7Eor.tIvOY3.GGNW0u5IgDF8t.TVFZbSs3JWTCrF8wj1w KNAFhSzZErpqq_qbzuZo_5I_cvKTqEaG67Fzhjl.02_gIdHIIyrqPmL4dMPF fs.wM1ey16yduGfiKZtS17Jmt1TvzxzcydhBSBTyRyCcSjzW77D3TZdk0WDn qS3B1b9cX7.RB1dsvr8YNbxl0ZHkXH7t7TK0_uZkzzqxYr.mnhgyClMlmOMe c4i7DN2EI2pZhxhfWjd2eYrxzXS9lZA8T0rD4U0Bm574X9i3RjWhwT.nQ5xi xS5S9UpO5XfD7ez.T5LqB4nl4KfkPTGynOD_6ahhNQTeIpOgpiD7MJzNqvQ- - plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2013 11:01:29 -0700 PDT From: Gene Gillam Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:01:28 -0500 References: <8C9A0144-0B9F-40B6-87D2-DC3D32E75071@earthlink.net> To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Agree with John Gene On May 12, 2013, at 12:52 PM, John Seim wrote: > I would recommend removing them. Easier to paint. > You could buff, or scotchbright after blasting, to give a shine. > I place a #10 nylon washer between the strips and the running board. > Easier to clean under the strips, once attached again. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:27:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9002403EB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B254940046 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b6PQ1l0031vXlb8557QsGV; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:24:52 +0000 Received: from [10.229.101.214] ([174.237.2.228]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b7Qg1l00B4vAAKS3d7QjeN; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:24:50 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?R2VuZSBHaWxsYW0=?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?bWctdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldA==?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:24:51 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1368386692; bh=fvEPna2WCr4hO1RDMMQDPGAsEqvlQ4KmU1i1aBIu5kY=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GcCBU76nuVZB3nsw9lJ9bcca1QVFN3bFfA+SYWPjpoIRT3UQ4pjpVlE5V+zF9prGt lO8+leSuhsGZGTfLosSliT1ojCPsOGwTziOqNigxA1Na4OskGNXNXmgF79qKBEB9GU oGTK0AxYaww4ug0QhXLgCVIsiE7mL543a4CttaoVCL8MU25wngUyKh0+B5ID8WgK50 mqjF2uYDuJAszdqWBD0BtNB5EsgpQurOKZsIihoDSWbty1zSjJzMY/wDPRVDwDlHLj Rn4hdjquwpOWPj0tpWtVxBRu6bIMonZAJfoHk3N3aF6byJ/IwO6YhDfSdMzFV1g2sA +WgDTE5rEp8WA== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?TD_running_board_treads?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Yep. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Gene Gillam" To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Date: Sun, May 12, 2013 13:01 Agree with John Gene On May 12, 2013, at 12:52 PM, John Seim wrote: > I would recommend removing them. Easier to paint. > You could buff, or scotchbright after blasting, to give a shine. > I place a #10 nylon washer between the strips and the running board. > Easier to clean under the strips, once attached again. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:39:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5249C403E8 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 81D2A40075 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13341 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2013 19:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 May 2013 19:36:36 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=DWzulgs8C97syeFGQZdQSlHeZibINLzROOu4YXLeMUo=; b=ZhzjtQePQgOGhenH8c4mUaY0tf+iETvh153+JIYK5vPUATOKF6Dz/AAwDSi1LvTKhYUWkQvyT3wr+i9Odw30HiEEKYlTDeHfSSdYYrvgTEaFXhjuGZ1h1CQOIAOIUmAK; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36486 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubc4S-0001Qa-7W for mg-t@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:36:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:36:35 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <8C9A0144-0B9F-40B6-87D2-DC3D32E75071@earthlink.net> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/12/2013 12:52 PM, John Seim wrote: I would recommend removing them. Easier to paint. >> ABSOLUTELY, Rick. If you don't you (painter ) will NEVER get a good layer of any spray under the strips ! ! ! Begs for rust ! ! Ed PS: And YEP to John's: I place a #10 nylon washer between the strips and the running board. PPS: You also have the ARCHIVES for checking the Oil Filter ! ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 16:46:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED06B403F6 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:46:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D15B403EA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:46:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id f12so4742856vbg.41 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:43:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6dkAGY15TfnIFhMjD59HbUEXyeU2l+91iTluboc8CJQ=; b=UH0PVU1ZT8QghEZi9xW+Qa4u/QUTV/uTuVn+OUT6Y1HLukk6trnnnSJARh8iOFxd1T 99B+ETB+4fka/i83JaFBipFkn3ee6Chj/Q8qOziVC/acEklwd8bCG7eMAGv0Gx+a0Lwn Nnb+js1VMoCgwVJbbW6ZyhjySmAj8TUUEoJQNBMxQvy+Vq4MvngPAK/QwwBRJrr5y4h/ 6ztnXKMIdMctP90UPFFIbrgbSQRgQq7aDwDSRmdbU4gQiqbUky9UNrRuuW7slbO2Nbjh h7hzktERE7Hw+kKHQ0VAW1yIN2Kcpj5DtPF0zLMgBBQnEVawttok2LCHWsySh2He07o7 JaqQ== v6mr1579796vdt.73.1368398632143; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 15:43:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130512192756.D4F0540410@autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:43:52 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone. On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > Yep. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Gene Gillam" > To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" > Subject: [Mg-t] TD running board treads > Date: Sun, May 12, 2013 13:01 > > > Agree with John > Gene > > > On May 12, 2013, at 12:52 PM, John Seim wrote: > >> I would recommend removing them. Easier to paint. >> You could buff, or scotchbright after blasting, to give a shine. >> I place a #10 nylon washer between the strips and the running board. >> Easier to clean under the strips, once attached again. >> >> John Seim >> Irvine, CA > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01@comcast.net > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:35:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A9442460 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:35:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B653C40359 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:30:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:27:24 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.167] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:27:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 92882 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 16:27:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368462444; bh=cZRKmAthdgcxNpy+Woi2Clzd/0EbpPPmy4lfol4YHuk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FId63rPfuRmP+2AtBGzZNJwBkogLN5Cdj4RAyjtg6zJWq/Loh6+BxyH56I/mNyalrG4SZNAeHHpPFlXQ7VdJ5AYhEBX9147zjqGgdW/nvUZonjNQxP4nFkhC28jw+URgThxVcHydSEDsL00GE7nh79x2lJDWHQx+t2ziGdt48bs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CvlmLQ5sEIcb0hqj34Q6SabTvJDWHPDV5aW8wJITNLz8urM2K1+04N7CPVn+26QYts3wVpXYfnQUV64zY2ohz482VE8AI+00mb+o/B/BcKp4G18/icD+CoXrHW2En+L20xgpq+oVS2ptLRfK/aXVg7b2+eVtUAf96ASmkwZjPBg=; ND4pYBsFNLBqEZdQqfi94xhyTTgMne.WkmXlSKsbpB0il5wI5zIotohQcOm8 jOZ7UM_7rkaUbtt_UhikPkOp094YWRwExg6d8zaKqeMNFfrAQex2E6ZyV_EH yO05tKSsLcI6S9MMRtm0Rd5wjEicyxDXuYrLVCRhyEOt0M_q7oIWPv19qiub _jpvYjFE0bZHG3U5FZvwG6A4zBYHj5r4G_14GtzE.T9gXPkQTmPdS_NHlguW IgNcz13gPO9.HSW8n3lsNF3an8s_Dk_vHBWPKE6mJp3d3sF24clPvFqsJStP a4vPhWtVyoNZWORDgksT..ELxpsCv_yRqplDvE4V2SPiiV01msxdvJkt7cQ0 HqrsrzvV31a0ur5xMgqH8eWtq9kl9xa8.3Q71Ql7CGzyluuF_15IhDgDCytl JDN4asfD6j4Xm92lD4M2am1uV0EfB2WXH4aq7KrfxYdg_Wuy3PaED6LVJUri 2rOGljkagD_DKGiRpxoJH Received: from [50.53.154.28] by web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:27:24 PDT PiBJJ20gdGhpbmtpbmcgSSBzaG91bGQgbGVhdmUgdGhlbSBpbiBwbGFjZSwgbWFzayB0aGVtIG9mZiBiZWZvcmUgcHJpbWVyIAphbmQgCgo.IHBhaW50LCB0aGVuIGluc3RhbGwgdGhlIG5ldyBydWJiZXIgdHJlYWRzIGFmdGVyIHRoZSBwYWludCBjdXJlcy4KCldoZW4gSSB1c2VkIHRvIHB1dCB0b2dldGhlciAxLzI0LXNjYWxlIGNhcnMgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiAxLzEtc2NhbGUsIEkgbGVhcm5lZCBhIEdyZWF0IFRydXRoOgoKVGhlIGV5ZSBjYW4gc2VlIHdoZXJlIHRoZSBicnVzaCBjYW4ndCByZWFjaC4KClRoZXIBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Fisher To: Rick Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD running board treads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm thinking I should leave them in place, mask them off before primer and > paint, then install the new rubber treads after the paint cures. When I used to put together 1/24-scale cars instead of 1/1-scale, I learned a Great Truth: The eye can see where the brush can't reach. There is a time and place for masking carefully and painting "in situ," and this isn't it, not with everything else you're doing to the car. Aside from it being The Right Thing, it will probably take less time. Every time I try to take a shortcut, it causes so many other issues that I usually give up and do it the right way. I've finally learned to do that right off the bat. Take 'em off, brush and polish to the finish you like, but paint the running boards with the al-you-minnie-um tread bits off the car, then install them. --Scott Fisher The Last Homely House East of the Sea Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 11:03:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FCB40430 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA9140425; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id gf12so836120vcb.1 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:59:15 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=78+scwAhj0jUULIw4C9PkBjsZjseZuYG+AoG8as8QL0=; b=U9cuLxpEz0qfhRl2gbmBciEg0yNF8cZQ0abkRh9xzlTDWXa+uJ60o6Wg+xhKHXAFOG dzl54f+zUcq3R5bLxyu3cICRuKu82iA6/pK2cNJMsTvUz3a5SyIShXo+W90SWHFiDNqT +CF0VOc+uS/fw0r3uhXvaY8NCBkfCCaU+0v6vEu8ptat6UT6m1RBG5gdbs2TJlVyMfkg GwAbphzow169d6tVKDA44w3gW+dElZllBvn2QwK/cdTXumyh+MaYq/jCndua3vFpbrTg d2HhUbPqYIRrQ/VeZr/4OBMg5k2uu5Kwwf1K1+1jaSTtmssTSlGjwBaFIBqW5hlq3cAE oEaA== u19mr8669955vdt.63.1368550755372; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:59:15 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Small bits of progress Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Good morning Friends, This morning I cleaned out the interior. It had filled up with debris, sanding dust, worn out sandpaper, cut off bolts, nails, tacks, strips of carpet, etc.. I picked up the big pieces, stuff larger than a quarter, then vacuumed everything out. With that done, I could sit on the floorboards and unscrew the transmission cover screws and passenger foot rest. All but two of the remaining traney cover screws came out okay but two are rusted solid. They will be drilled out. After completing the clean up, I removed the radiator. I had to cut the hoses but everything else lifted out just fine. Here's how the front of the engine looks now. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_093841.jpg A tiny bit of coolant spilled, but I had drained the system earlier. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_093910.jpg Here's a look at the front engine mount. Grimy oil is a good rust preventative, in places. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_093930.jpg I don't know if the stock thermostat will clean up and work properly, but that's a pretty easy test. I'll replace, if I need to do so. Here's how it looks right after cutting the hose free. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_093939.jpg The next couple of pictures are just documentation of the engine, in situ. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_094026.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_094035.jpg I'll continue cleaning the front of the tub after lifting the engine and transmission free. And finally, here's just a quick picture of the radiator, leaning against a tire. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_094044.jpg -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 11:13:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B0840427 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1440338 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hr11so825985vcb.19 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BJPkYtls2GKM9b77Gom+tnsmlTkPYX4rqFoxFGDuYK0=; b=ze/7+tl4v9KOsHXan/YYxw2LE3cogZR4u5Vdhx/RMlfJcydyl5AB9WEewdoDi/sXWC 0pgZFUIhMPMuyyVsKCVA9MRySslspNaEcqisgrafszMrewo5SHTaeD6sjmJAdr+obT1d F/WUr1YNW6mWg4TYm9jtUdiJQNjigCFEUM47XO+v0TakFiZEhliSe+XlAXZgQjIjgbc0 v7OTVgrsYTBWGodVpADVfOywjoH+wvlY3imK5vZBhJ1KMVf3KkVI0OAeftq9x95Cvdze IcWS4l+aQbF8X1Muj0GBa9h0A5SZ1e3vcbGHERajA+lL+32XuxOJm6jn2ZVO5yCS2V76 eSLg== m12mr3354415vdd.57.1368551416873; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:10:16 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Electric fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I live in the blast furnace known as 'summertime in Houston, Texas'. Around here, old British cars suffer in the summer heat without a little modern help. To that end, I would like to add an electric fan to my TD upon reassembly. Those puppies can draw a lot of current so matching the fan to the capacity of the electrical system will be paramount. Another question arises; Is there room to fit an electric pancake fan between the radiator and the grill? I could certainly fit one behind the radiator if I omit the mechanical fan, but I would rather have the electric fan out of sight. What have you guys done, if anything? -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 12:07:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7487740425 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:07:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8967040441 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:05:20 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1368554550; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=cPtnZYARfAgNgUkDf4NgAV456iJAyK3dGZEpxx5dZGTIluW9X8yRaM0lyRt87OlCc kr117zas9jYGnu18L02bPbE2CSHVMbU6Z+ihCk35QYj+Kw99lGr9YF75Tvgnnvt70l HfmRpnjWB2RXageeqhaFxZEoSL4J3qs75ZwnliEk= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ3E9BRADKLQR2 for (sender ); Tue, 14 May 2013 11:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:01:06 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:01:06 GMT To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Electric fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net TDs have large radiators for their size. Overheating, if engine and cooling system are in good nick, is rare. My engine ran happily in Richmond VA for years, then in Sarasota FL, both places in all seasons, and its temp gauge has never hit 100. That is with the standard fan, and 40-50% ethylene glycol antifreeze. Some TD owners have installed the plastic fan used on MGBs. It is said to be a direct bolt-on, though I have not tried it. You may not need an electric fan.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Electric fan Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:10:16 -0500 Hello Friends, I live in the blast furnace known as 'summertime in Houston, Texas'. Around here, old British cars suffer in the summer heat without a little modern help. To that end, I would like to add an electric fan to my TD upon reassembly. Those puppies can draw a lot of current so matching the fan to the capacity of the electrical system will be paramount. Another question arises; Is there room to fit an electric pancake fan between the radiator and the grill? I could certainly fit one behind the radiator if I omit the mechanical fan, but I would rather have the electric fan out of sight. What have you guys done, if anything? -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 12:23:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971AC4043F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5774032A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bpBs1l0021u4NiLA8uLzo7; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:20:59 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([71.203.8.4]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id buLx1l00B05DMSX8huLxRR; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:20:58 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.30.0.110427 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:20:56 -0400 From: Stuart Keen To: Bob HOWARD , MG Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] Electric fan Thread-Index: Ac5Qz8aOH3Q2C8kZxUe+ng1Whr8VmQ== s=q20121106; t=1368555659; bh=thFs7OWL25NzdX1P/X/lEDzYdxVHBB1j1I9kIxlYl/4=; h=Received:Received:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Mime-version: Content-type; b=hHDlnn4QSecdU8MQ6Xs/Y7oKeJnADDKzutcw5sTJnpRDgoyXRh+tQqkMznjs1xIgr /gfw6AJ1lx9UCBjA/upgQPxyHQhX+dTxVM9xs9FHR1wZgExkhwgNn5E7mShmbgqPKM Y8nqsA8WOUyKv7dS0EYi8czOROHj59u694xdXK8RlfR+ajqMDf7DM5QleKFXaEWCdP z86jMsQ17oEwGV8ybpQgfpr+xyvm4FL0TPlGLlPcWme/QnDVHEq9PxCz6wVC1Knv15 q47sYfaTaL0kXjRifwaF5ETO69L8brsafr8SZCht22Jvjs9Qomr0VzC3BsJntDTtcc E6/wgldAeY3iA== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Electric fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I can vouch for the fact that the 7 blade plastic MGB fan is a direct replacement. I installed one about 10 years ago and have been contented with the radiator9s performance ever since. It is much lighter and therefore possibly less wear and tear on bearings, bushings etc. The only problem is that it9s Bright Yellow! My TD (MKII) runs all over Florida in peak summer (ambient 95+ deg F) and the water rarely exceeds 87 dg C. The only time it has exceeded that was ten years ago driving across the Mojave Desert in October. The ambient temperature in the shade was 110 deg F, and the TD9s water exceeded 100 deg C (boiling) - resulting in a hole in #2 piston. Stu Keen 1951 MG TD Mk II ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 14:55:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600AA40439 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DBA40408 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 14:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id un3so2539961obb.19 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:45:30 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=U54xAe9Qxmc6oBPPAY2LjIREvQu6/ckQMCb0yldvT6U=; b=W2j+4u9L/T7cpOzngoU33yDtrcwy2Gc2XvZkcTocUkcC0UxtUaRlvrcGxkgDOZVUzd YKzD5/gwKBfGqGh3Q5CTVVX42cpAQhMWLO0vMRgVjYRGUeWGsKQMOiikiesxDjrE8bx5 lhdkTtlkY0rrpb3fSnhsMdQ6pVYOMGBQc7H1RlBWf7TPwr+o1OCPO+LVyw/wBYTZ+ftk fP8RWhqpmjwgcJ5Z5kadO/FktQcPQCVb9r9QDx8EC5Ww8DAPuCEYA2v5y3+ZuBxURyPj 9OiKfIgTUWVfM9/ULfriRdw2Ot+B28KTn0NBeEhBgY3oIKZMuiGxFgX/OXWasubRc9h6 0dvw== vy17mr21033511oeb.83.1368650730187; Wed, 15 May 2013 13:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h8sm4454282obk.10.2013.05.15.13.45.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2013 13:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:45:26 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Wheels seal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hey friends, Quick question: B Will YD steel wheels, reconditioned, work with tubless tires? B That is, will they seal? B Or must tubes be used? Thanks, -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 04:25:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB1640515 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 04:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61EC4043B for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 04:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU404-EAS5 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 May 2013 03:22:20 -0700 References: From: Mike E Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 06:22:21 -0400 To: Rick Lindsay FILETIME=[3FE5ED60:01CE521F] Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Wheels seal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I've been using tubeless tires on my TF OEM steel wheels for several decades with no problems. Mike Eldred Sent from my iPod Touch On May 15, 2013, at 16:53, "Rick Lindsay" wrote: > Hey friends, > > Quick question: B Will YD steel wheels, reconditioned, work with tubless tires? B That is, will they seal? B Or must tubes be used? > > Thanks, > > -rick > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 09:31:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F3C40521 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9590F40397 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 09:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 12so639607vbf.32 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UghlHPfPON8UEAyuPA3k+bO5bi/oq26MBSTte98fNkk=; b=I26h7EHZi++L8A0GJMyYw41EqlhV6u7AYxg6Zy0jOZCahxGJ+btegd1yNuhGVlEbZl iZfNhfCjbyPb22xe8WhpwQMCOu8pKFC3+Ewt1uYSlyKntrWiZlJH4pTourLoapYzfmYp T94FL6A6zO0BmlkW8FjSBIROWavPi7Zr0P108jOBtTzU3WNDQuL/T1L12XRHBFiGtq5U F+KlCPCQw3ZoonicP9i7XWvF9oqAuHy1yIITYqpj6LB5iAnC23aySlkXGefIXMhYV7ZC 19/vf6TWBEF8oWznhARlxkqtdPjwe2sWBB5pHrtQl9/6feDL9tH8Gno+aqQUrDBeEDjG S1Lw== ka7mr7118405vdb.109.1368718074416; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:27:54 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone for the valued responses. My decision is to go for radial tires in 165R15 size, tubeless on media blasted, trued (as needed) and refinished wheels, using new stems. If the metal is pitted in any way around the stem opening, I'll use metal bolt-in stems as they may seal better. Again, thanks everyone. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 16:46:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33D740454 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAFA40407; Thu, 16 May 2013 16:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ox1so3441602veb.8 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:42:55 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nLIXjBWGNXKv1BnViNxzx9JzrkPP6qIhTaoJyrF3bfQ=; b=pMunCyxP4pB38p+qZJQ5ZG8X4QoW22u9mRspO+YuQQ6Ay1VVzjw1zib6KMm5Fed7Iu toV6P4pztChRshbVpXXLUBkTznqWdEpEPmV4om9Ow4gfWsLYtcye9Fg91YCjoWaaUcP6 PzmiNBx6R1S0hqWOOqxGTm8rm4vB0OkYGVTlp10yzdgxDCRIywNTAb0e195dU4ien2YT jjYbsUHTbxwpBhOaoxVHKy1CQczk+WV30Ofm+Z2qqbK59AIx0hsL8dsUgXEF3u/JkyqP tU5i9bx1tcN/b4s/EO40l3JgYI+xyJW4+XmrbkYarJZ8lvDO+ZSIaQ8O20mcVABgkRz5 We/w== bs5mr28304538veb.60.1368744175124; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:42:54 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Almost ready to lift the tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I've removed the floor boards from my '53 TD, mostly by drilling out the heads of the bolts! The new boards will be either re-drilled to use new holes in the supports, or the the old rusty screws will be drilled out and re-tapped. But I'm not there yet. However, its time to start pulling the tub bolts. The first one was a nightmare and is going to have to be cut off. I don't expect the next five to be any easier. I do have to admit that there is light at the end of the tub-removal-tunnel. I do have a few pictures to share. Here's how the gearbox and prop shaft look after removing the tunnel and tranny cover. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130515_154105.jpg And here's a look from the other side. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130515_154145.jpg You may notice that I have already removed (and left laying almost in place) the two angle frames that support the inner edges of the floor boards. I'll cut the screws off and re-tap the holes if I can't back the screw shanks out with oil and heat. I took a few pictures of the pedal assembly and master cylinder but they're poor focus and I'll have better pictures when I address that area. The last project for this abbreviated day, was to repair the wooden panel over the differential. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130515_154208.jpg Again, the screws are rusted in place so I will cut them off. Instead of trying to replace the T-Nuts into damaged wood, I chose to drill new holes nearby, install new T-Nuts in the supports below. Here's how the board looks now with the old holes filled and new holes drilled and countersunk. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130516_160307.jpg Here's the same area with a new screw resting in place. I chose Phillips because the screw heads are stronger. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130516_160332.jpg And here's how the entire board looks while the wood filler is still still curing but with the new holes ready. I'll refinish the board in satin black after sanding, especially at the infilled areas. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130516_162252.jpg Once everything is cured and dried I'll put the board in place and drill through the open holes to locate the T-Nuts that will be installed below. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 15:27:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948B040525 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 15:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267EC403CF for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 15:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d2ts1l0081ZXKqc5D9QPLd; Fri, 17 May 2013 21:24:23 +0000 Received: from GenePC ([69.141.226.81]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id d9QN1l01P1m0Bcd3h9QPAK; Fri, 17 May 2013 21:24:23 +0000 From: "Gene" To: "'Richard Lindsay'" , References: Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:24:22 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5SSf/qSfvBtJcOSXy5Dw1/VH6vBQA+m8Cw Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1368825863; bh=WuAPMWJVcQcSJ8d0rlPxlZw5DyDs+pyjUk09BOy0UAg=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KgjG5cRpyTMZ8R2gsosID32KtXVFb1motM6YSDg0ldvKA1uqInYqSNPWXhcKzU971 5UqPxqeNTJwsR7dHh3CFv78nwu2qqnffd40BlFeIOl/oBzig0PNO7pVZaOahqieZ7i fc4KmNcVU193l48fIBr8z8jAnVC1qI0ybMDkmHBtr4/tuwafscwx+ul8s9wbVzLzsq ks56C+bwefvx48IZoPh1tnjwlpegfh8Smm/Cw0mdTGZQ2EDucVjcDTg45XpibtC/o5 MaPI2oNtbMw4TylXzv3eYEHiBbTgBrCoHBMY8/jqny/nraXmZQSlTjt4UF5uQlC92a EcWah4AkDlDlA== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net A cautionary note. Looking at this in the loss-prevention line, I would not want to be involved in an accident as a result of having tubeless tyres on a wheel designed for tube type tyres and having the insurance carrier refuse coverage. Gene Vermont -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Lindsay Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:28 AM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? Thanks everyone for the valued responses. My decision is to go for radial tires in 165R15 size, tubeless on media blasted, trued (as needed) and refinished wheels, using new stems. If the metal is pitted in any way around the stem opening, I'll use metal bolt-in stems as they may seal better. Again, thanks everyone. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/crownwheel@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 09:55:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4C640E01 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D69E40567 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dSQD1l0030S2fkC01TqHRq; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:50:17 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:28:dc43:1329:6fe0:7af2] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:28:dc43:1329:6fe0:7af2]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dTqG1l00d1kHs5e8VTqHG0; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:50:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:50:05 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1368892217; bh=4tv42JjO+u7ZXovgxSZm2lbdAXYP/Vk4F9nqcWRdQUU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=SSiwiJSWSJhLpvYHd4ur+TkAixusOrHcTQgW+1qpM298ouGukQIr20YsPv/ZyYY+B Tv+UGCXASWPzm2Xf3wKBv+jESLaWEuh3Oc0/No4hl9egwp2GL921g6pkiGhJjYg0Hl XA9CpoIAjzUiWvXXFtw3pDVagyNj4oZIP9i7sCqOhId2F4EBUKYNUGS2reW22VnImF B4qJ65l9MRAjZy3mEF2axF0i++6KIxpeFlTwDGDOHRHgc4cUKq6vyiJJpjoD9uiVMv WDfg3bCI0iPDaATQmS4+ECbX3+SR01PjfS/xXTTiIWtK7XbnAavnkCL5xhLPqrEOBN fAPHEeRLkODqQ== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net On the subject of pulling old bolts when you REALLY don't want to destroy things, try a solution of 50% ATF and 50% acetone. Shake it till it's pink and brush it on. It's the best penetrating oil I've found. I've had fasteners that wouldn't give up to it, but very few. As with any other penetrating oil, let soak until you get movement in either direction, let soak some more. If you've got movement in either direction, the thread WILL give way unless something is horribly wrong. How you take things apart has a direct bearing on how they get put back together again. I know it's old wisdom, but it bears repeating. Glenn On 5/17/2013 12:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I've removed the floor boards from my '53 TD, mostly by drilling out > the heads of the bolts! The new boards will be either re-drilled to > use new holes in the supports, or the the old rusty screws will be > drilled out and re-tapped. But I'm not there yet. However, its time > to start pulling the tub bolts. The first one was a nightmare and is > going to have to be cut off. I don't expect the next five to be any > easier. I do have to admit that there is light at the end of the > tub-removal-tunnel. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 13:10:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405A040E02 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA71E40653 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 13:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id jz10so3597011veb.7 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:06:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RVv1NxEAy6X9QITseqYhnXEh8AGuIaXk/1/ifRlATg0=; b=gTb5e2HS/3ZCufl36mrXSmtmLD7UHLpea8RPrxVGuaBdfsLlRk/apvfa8jAgyVGiy6 uaZjT0chdh0eCkX2ZRu2tprriiI/yIdoh8Cn/MHJ1EY43Db6E5MKiigBAUzQamz/C6ip iZEZMr3cEMWd5cqHLWRoqOLMFY+LRQ6w/ZTpcfDdC18KpsmPFwE8ajOsyVjh0lP4lqiE U08owyx2TXA5EIo5vLWfEJ68nF9sslcmjpkjyUpyi7cJEJXisoc3QHgqgy6C7lrg876+ 38jcWnavJ+rVUgm7ys5p/v1trRC7leEqxC7s7c78tZmbXzi4smh+HR0mfj+s6PicwHSg NJSw== yv4mr27264234vdb.31.1368904008556; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 12:06:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <5197A32D.8070102@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:06:48 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Glenn Schnittke Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Glenn, You wrote, > On the subject of pulling old bolts when you REALLY don't want to destroy > things, try a solution of 50% ATF and 50% acetone... If you've got movement > in either direction, the thread WILL give way unless something is horribly wrong. Thanks for the advice Glenn. I doubt that ANY magic solution would address this level of rust damage. See attached. > How you take things apart has a direct bearing on how they get put back > together again. I know it's old wisdom, but it bears repeating. I don't know whether this is a statement of general philosophy or admonishment of my work techniques. I assure you, and I don't know why, that anything original to this car that can be saved is being saved. However, a rusty, stretched bolt is going to get replaced, independent of how it is removed. Did I misread your intent? -rick attachment [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of rusty_bolt.jpg] ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 15:45:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5327340C00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f181.google.com (mail-gh0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58774068D; Sat, 18 May 2013 15:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z12so1196465ghb.26 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=3cRBtspOXAkj9XCDQNCGjXSKZOSCL/1gVkcd6XFaNe8=; b=TyTEdL/niLCc+IX20yD3xWG5OxLyGiTTRaPnkSkUyz/NkRPzl4fCJJYtg6/DXb8J88 JKjCn5xSqvhr1YYEV8roVVpLK7JQLPqcRCAyN7ftGdfQMGMmvpECYPBhuf+WJ/EkSmWx E3/eFYcRtIq6ajH7AKGDOGyLnw3cFj3U5RUkv4CRNPoiYHTEhBFjH4U95C1g1TYSSJEl CvGeGEiL6qO1NSZ9AJyD4M1CIHLhdGZOBpKvXvmVkSEcMZ+kVLF1mKl2PXw79fg6TXUL cyLfw0Bf5ZbRXM+PKl25xe4vGaibIBCBxGTGzbJUad+R0lOgmv1tLWs7LkyslA1A5pQf yzyw== b39mr31206130yhi.94.1368913354276; Sat, 18 May 2013 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (108-218-54-124.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net. [108.218.54.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i75sm27878874yhi.9.2013.05.18.14.42.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 May 2013 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Tuck Southworth Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:42:33 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] A little TD work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, Really like following your posts and the pics. One phrase you used has me concerned. Distorted fan blades. On more then one occasion I have seen distorted fan blades shear off and dig right into the radiator. Considering the cost I'd think about replacing that fan. You even have some options on what to replace it with. just my 2 cnt's Tuck Sent from my iPad On May 18, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, and good morning, > > Here's a picture of the now repaired and refinished middle access > board from over the TD's differential. The old holes have been > plugged, the new ones drilled, countersunk, and the the final coat of > semi-gloss black paint is drying. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1291.JPG > > > > And just for fun, here's a picture of a pile of assorted rusty bolts - > some to be reused, some to be archived, and a few trashed! > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1290.JPG > > Following that, here are a couple more pictures, just for > documentation, as the engine tear-down begins. These are taken > specifically to answer some of the niggling questions upon reassembly. > For example; Which way did the bolt go in? Which end had the > lockwasher? etc.. That said, it is a mistake to believe without > question, that the way an old car is assembled TODAY is the the way > the mechanics assembled it 60 years ago! These kinds of pictures and > exploded views in the workshop and parts manuals (and of course, the > MG-T List) should all be used together! :-) > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1293.JPG > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1292.JPG > > One area needing attention is the fan spacer. It is broken and a new > piece from Moss will be ordered as soon as I have all the engine parts > needs in hand. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130517_101329.jpg > > Here's a picture of the fan blades with the rusty metal primer drying. > Yes, they were rusty but I cleaned away all the rust. Still, rust > makes pits and this primer is better for that situation. I also > straightened both blades where they were a bit distorted, probably by > impact with something. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130517_094605.jpg > > I painted the fan blades with gloss black engine paint. And as I have > said before, 'gloss' paint from a spray can dries to the desired > semi-gloss. > > And while the paint was drying, I repaired more wood and screw holes. > Cracks in the wood where over-sized screws were used by some PO, are > repaired. Once fully dry, the toothpicks are cut off and proper screw > holes will be drilled. BTW, MinWax brand wood hardener does a nice > job of strengthening the body timbers - especially where screw holes > are drilled. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130517_092008.jpg > > That's it for this morning. This work was done yesterday. Today, > I'll get a little more time working on the old boy. > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/tuck.southworth@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 09:55:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBE24056D for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 09:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8485E4032C; Sun, 19 May 2013 09:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id gf11so2248228vcb.29 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0OWv42AUuMLioINs9enkPUZIM80qseH4DBOjJP8bau8=; b=0zChmtvZddaewcCgG/vQzaRHYs5s4Ls+SiJNQbGkj06QkIUuK8TwxuIt5GWZ0QBLgn 3n5XjhPDdXgDJo4IJP2uBJMBdx80uzu9UJOuTpe9LjBxPGdlRjAcjVs5jsnGBOet+Q/M 6uFkoiWpdU5Rim0GSJsecQRyIJXfD688pdAI32HL+iIsg3LvCpIxdUsT1408JU03+nCT WCPRjPbsMsFs8YzmH1XBx+CmHTNSSmUU2OCW1ddyqlSN+TtAUcNS3EIOp7VqgEBdk0Lf izJkf6IcyK7YyprPb/+Q5Usr8RLFqY3SptfeTpGCm8grVDSApd4qe8TiHI2R8+cstzpT oonw== bg8mr22650767vcb.35.1368978749044; Sun, 19 May 2013 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2013 08:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 10:52:28 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] A morning puttering in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, A few more words and pictures follow. This morning I cleaned the propshaft tunnel in preparation for repairs and paint. Here's how it looked on the under-side after degreasing and the zinc phosphate treatment. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_075011.jpg You can see in that photo that the metal is rusted through in places, at the bend. The damage is not so bad as to need replacement of the part, as this is not a structural piece. I will repair it with fiberglass, bonded with POR15 rather than epoxy - maybe. Still haven't decided. In any case, the part will be repaired, not replaced. Here's how the tunnel looks from the top side, with a coat of POR15 on the metal. Once cured, I'll paint the underside similarly. Then, I'll make repairs. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_091106.jpg The transmission cover is in the queue behind the propshaft tunnel. It has no damage other than surface rust. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_091127.jpg The brass clamping block for the handbrake cables has been cleaned and refinished as well but I forgot to take a picture. It is, however, in another picture referenced later. While the POR15 and engine paint were drying, I removed the air cleaner. I cleaned and painted the wing nut and forgot to photograph it too. Here is the air cleaner cover/element with the paint stripped. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_082022.jpg The paint came off with nothing more violent than lacquer thinner and ScotchBrite. Here's that same piece with a fresh coat of black paint over primer. The higher gloss is because the paint is still wet. Sorry for the soft focus. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_090126.jpg I then moved on to the air cleaner body. Here it is still on the engine. I was pleased to see the clean oil in the filter. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_082746.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_082742.jpg And on the workbench while being stripped. Again, crappy focus. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_083709.jpg Here's that same part with a coat of primer. Despite the can resting in the rear of the picture, this part is sprayed with conventional engine primer. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_091023.jpg Also in that picture you can see the hand brake cable block. I left the front shiny brass just for fun. Finally, here are the parts of the air cleaner with the paint drying. The top/element is dry so you can see the proper sheen of the paint. The paint on the body of the filter is still wet. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130519_091729.jpg That's it for this morning. I may not get back to the garage this afternoon. Other home duties call. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 08:58:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57E8427A6 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D00C4273E for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W24 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 May 2013 07:53:49 -0700 From: Mike E To: Gene , 'Richard Lindsay' , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 10:53:49 -0400 References: , <014901ce5344$e695edb0$b3c1c910$@net> FILETIME=[D674A9E0:01CE5569] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net There are many and varying opinions on which tires to use, and whether to use tubes or not. The best solution might be to find bias ply tires that are designed for tubes and that don't have a bead for modern wheels. Good luck! Otherwise, I don't see any improvement in putting a tube in a modern tire that wasn't designed to have a tube. The surface and sidewalls of a tire are constantly flexing and releasing as they come in contact with the surface of the road. There is tremendous centrifugal force exerted on the outer portion of the tire. Tube tires have a different inner profile (smooth, round) than a tube tire (not not smooth, not round, but flatish on the bottom and rounded on the sides). The idea of adding an air bladder that is unnecessary for maintaining air pressure inside a tire that isn't designed to have a tube wouldn't make me feel confident at all. And what of the tire pressure? Would you use the one recommended in the manual that was originally intended for bias-ply tube tires? That could be a pretty bad idea since, again, the tire isn't shaped, designed, or constructed like the original tube-type tire. You'll need more, but how much more? How much more will you need to ensure that the tube isn't flopping around or rubbing a rough spot in the tubeless tire? I don't know that any insurance company is going to reject a claim because of non-OEM-spec tires, but if they do, I don't think sticking a tube in a tubeless, beaded tire on a tube-type wheel is going to gain you much traction (pun intended) with the adjuster over a tubeless, beaded tire on a tube-type wheel. My TF has had modern tubeless radial tires on the stock steel wheels for at least 30 years, and I've never had an unexplained air leak or any problem with spirited driving. I run them at about 25 PSI. -Mike > From: crownwheel@comcast.net > To: richardolindsay@gmail.com; mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:24:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? > > A cautionary note. Looking at this in the loss-prevention line, I would not > want to be involved in an accident as a result of having tubeless tyres on a > wheel designed for tube type tyres and having the insurance carrier refuse > coverage. > Gene > Vermont > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Richard Lindsay > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:28 AM > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? > > Thanks everyone for the valued responses. > > My decision is to go for radial tires in 165R15 size, tubeless on media > blasted, trued (as needed) and refinished wheels, using new stems. If the > metal is pitted in any way around the stem opening, I'll use metal bolt-in > stems as they may seal better. Again, thanks everyone. > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/crownwheel@comcast.net > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 10:49:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D08142732 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 10:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6154042A for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 10:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eACR1l0040SCNGk53Gm2N9; Mon, 20 May 2013 16:46:02 +0000 Received: from [10.253.4.213] ([174.237.38.91]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eGlo1l00G1xzzQW3VGlq2U; Mon, 20 May 2013 16:46:00 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?TWlrZSBF?=" ,"Gene" ,"=?utf-8?B?bWctdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldA==?=" From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:45:59 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1369068362; bh=z549ya9VtiOJOPGOR4x5qp52VyuxLGdNwSOg1iccQcA=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UsQgbkz3PTbIVctao0QSElZvxt0w6V/XkrmbXc7Ej+CKc6K2+YMlXuK/rVpMb+1sd rlkaQDI5/ORYHcxYRN5aa43BrUajAsBJQ3BSoB0R8zM0PCkWMYvwsOKDsSSb/F+clr l1sCdDrcvGR5XuKyfk6HezU6KatCgBneyVs64AmOyPlYsPxH4rczjj61r6OuTdOk9a gItpxbFlVS042zcEjeRuFZXmQlM2k3JL/6p2ZMRxliwPM0vE3hm1jiniNveMqD/sXg N3YbdjqpVyOFbzuXLDmC8NgIfPZqGdLN8YJKekySxbFggRSaQ3wAx6Lq7X+PrzSZUM HGhjvuzmc7urw== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?Resolution=2C_was=3A_Wheels_seal=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Just FYI, those two ridges around tubeless tire type wheels is to prevent sudden deflation of a tire when subjected to side loads. It's a safety item. Now, I know the list will be inundated with "I've been driving on tubeless tires since 1622 with no trouble, so that's baloney". I've been flying airplanes since 1968, never had any accident or incident outside of a systems failure. I still use those checklists. A conservative mode of operation is the safest way. Besides, just think how stupid you would feel as the wheel dug in and the car started to turn over! Dying is one thing. Dying stupid is another. No dog in the hunt, so do as you will. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Mike E" To: "Gene" , "'Richard" , <>>, "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? Date: Mon, May 20, 2013 09:53 There are many and varying opinions on which tires to use, and whether to use tubes or not. The best solution might be to find bias ply tires that are designed for tubes and that don't have a bead for modern wheels. Good luck! Otherwise, I don't see any improvement in putting a tube in a modern tire that wasn't designed to have a tube. The surface and sidewalls of a tire are constantly flexing and releasing as they come in contact with the surface of the road. There is tremendous centrifugal force exerted on the outer portion of the tire. Tube tires have a different inner profile (smooth, round) than a tube tire (not not smooth, not round, but flatish on the bottom and rounded on the sides). The idea of adding an air bladder that is unnecessary for maintaining air pressure inside a tire that isn't designed to have a tube wouldn't make me feel confident at all. And what of the tire pressure? Would you use the one recommended in the manual that was originally intended for bias-ply tube tires? That could be a pretty bad idea since, again, the tire isn't shaped, designed, or constructed like the original tube-type tire. You'll need more, but how much more? How much more will you need to ensure that the tube isn't flopping around or rubbing a rough spot in the tubeless tire? I don't know that any insurance company is going to reject a claim because of non-OEM-spec tires, but if they do, I don't think sticking a tube in a tubeless, beaded tire on a tube-type wheel is going to gain you much traction (pun intended) with the adjuster over a tubeless, beaded tire on a tube-type wheel. My TF has had modern tubeless radial tires on the stock steel wheels for at least 30 years, and I've never had an unexplained air leak or any problem with spirited driving. I run them at about 25 PSI. -Mike > From: crownwheel@comcast.net > To: richardolindsay@gmail.com; mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:24:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? > > A cautionary note. Looking at this in the loss-prevention line, I would not > want to be involved in an accident as a result of having tubeless tyres on a > wheel designed for tube type tyres and having the insurance carrier refuse > coverage. > Gene > Vermont > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Richard Lindsay > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:28 AM > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Resolution, was: Wheels seal? > > Thanks everyone for the valued responses. > > My decision is to go for radial tires in 165R15 size, tubeless on media > blasted, trued (as needed) and refinished wheels, using new stems. If the > metal is pitted in any way around the stem opening, I'll use metal bolt-in > stems as they may seal better. Again, thanks everyone. > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/crownwheel@comcast.net > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 14:07:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9740B427EE for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A7540356; Mon, 20 May 2013 14:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i3so4117426vbh.12 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:04:26 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EQlWoZCXYnMDor9xxAudNXiNsiswPpdS1mCSAYPXlaU=; b=gTcX6lSZ9ApIhbYkRUoIWf0sFtlxIOz8yhGfTRmUk4iqJ38F9LT6F1dLmFJcigp2xw 6X2zRk8m1QAR+OodyBsCLENL0C01MEl/wJ+5sSIxAuLyoakl6sJ+PUY4fucniaxMDEYz OFEccGGCDya5/q/SSNv2SszpDGstjhStlbPhZTNAGgrYK1Ogaz8N8sSpbHyBQPbIaFge rwjDS4xVph++WjkdCbzOn0vENw/r+Uqgh1msfq2apcps4cZoo+6OJPzxBNpS2iGB9vYL Ljy7h6vtWYHERO/biZo/jxkQjV+zH+B9H5sUcpuG3odFB/FvHepNWBv9ZWpm3fO1rcqH LiWA== d17mr34589420vcy.56.1369080266763; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:04:26 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Tunnel repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, This morning I applied the repair to the propshaft tunnel. Here's how it looks with the repair in place and curing. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130520_135726.jpg The fiberglass cloth is being cemented in place with POR15. This product cures REALLY hard, yet it does not get overly brittle. The mounting lip will now be adequately strong and will not allow fumes into the cockpit..well, at lease not through those rusty cracks. The glass fiber will be trimmed from the edges of the flange once the product has cured and new mounting holes will be drilled. A small can of POR15 has a very short pot life after opening; perhaps two days, even tightly closed. So to use up the whole can, I cleaned and coated the outside of the transmission cover. Here's how it looks with the finish still wet. There are no rusted through holes in this part, probably thanks to the greasy environment of the 60-year-old transmission. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130520_135715.jpg Folks, I have no financial (or otherwise) connection with Restomotive, the makers of MetalPrep and POR15, but I am a satisfied customer. I've used the products for over a decade. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 04:59:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865F640512 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 04:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EA04043F for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 04:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf11so1197213vcb.40 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=K9ZSoacwuJ0fSa4nQxRShYlu9j3AqVTfS2SKQ7GbAKY=; b=llCS/5+v5ffHpjZV4T6czTyGe/1KZ3rex/bsqcZNARMW36PvG25CS3wrehMsxm7r0d G6Z4CYvZIuVos7utJBIGDoHP+iHNu+Lrvksj3W+94P54G1ki3tNhQNQJt95kX1ppcl47 Uohc4FzIyqkrt1wiytwtfuPh27woAPLutcrbmK51ZxX+7FtcwBJfx4PYYRvgO+TUaOgs RFwRnxTQpj+x8JQeOrrYcuDKTUmRJBTv2of26iHAP8U5uFGbAK5gymYeTVrptb25PAKs IiZDuNUPfFeFXUo8/XquSognBcXa3LOGvlsFlJRd6IxAwFsNIDVAGe9DYKrRjHhaFaes e9Dg== im1mr2553636vec.46.1369220169653; Wed, 22 May 2013 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 05:56:09 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Morning Friends, Please help me if you know the answer to these questions; 1) On a LHD late TD (1953) with the floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch (which is actually mounted on the inside of the cowl), which way are the three mounting bolts oriented - bolts inside with nuts in the engine compartment, or visa-versa? My car had the bolts in the cockpit and the nuts under the bonnet - but we all know that 'the way it is' is not always 'the way it was' in a 60-year-old car! 2) Same car. There is an oblong cover on the transmission cover that when removed, provides access to the gearbox dipstick and filler port. My car had this little steel cover covered with black carpet - and a rather sloppy job of it. When new, was this cover carpeted, covered in Rexine or simply painted? Thanks, -rick, up early ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 05:48:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF8642727 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575304043F for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:47:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ezgp1l0041ei1Bg5Bzka3l; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:44:34 +0000 Received: from GenePC ([65.96.195.105]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ezkZ1l00H2GusAh3kzkZ8Z; Wed, 22 May 2013 11:44:34 +0000 From: "Gene" To: "'Richard Lindsay'" , References: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:44:41 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5W2waqEmNIZs1AQMysaUKBA6m6xwABkixw Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1369223074; bh=F3GFaKdZUhCuuf3Sy4uHXV9kVgtcYqrbto6hnHM0kt0=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=S+ENK/X1Ir+Omxmbvq0a/fMC7NTGeUjFH+28HxdwDwJF4s8fAvdKmyuIVuRQFUf+3 tDPfcoVQj1iXX1bvsc+DqMJcTgM/4mMegaaFhv0TS8XdDZBwDAGJ/TbPvX3u28cAw9 MZkvQQ8bDhkD5BQP2/353vOqBJVsjePL92A/8xuT6Ufyj/JhV+YFGeIZJcYj7f9Xgh NgTJx8y5rZcBOOACqujOoblS6ONYjXQcxTrRUvUw/G8xOijwLM39S7ShN8/bPfd8Y+ L0UcqxHiBvREzuIc+09fT+DAE0bYK0DyHpGxpMGe/V+Y4X5+W6oITwjPj2XfsawWcE Kl4TQ7SzCkr4w== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Good morning Rick ... 1) I just looked at Eliot, our 1953 unrestored TD and find that the nuts are in the engine compartment. No lock washers are in evidence. 2) Eliot has some carpet material on that steel cover. Cheers Gene, Vermont -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:56 AM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Morning Friends, Please help me if you know the answer to these questions; 1) On a LHD late TD (1953) with the floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch (which is actually mounted on the inside of the cowl), which way are the three mounting bolts oriented - bolts inside with nuts in the engine compartment, or visa-versa? My car had the bolts in the cockpit and the nuts under the bonnet - but we all know that 'the way it is' is not always 'the way it was' in a 60-year-old car! 2) Same car. There is an oblong cover on the transmission cover that when removed, provides access to the gearbox dipstick and filler port. My car had this little steel cover covered with black carpet - and a rather sloppy job of it. When new, was this cover carpeted, covered in Rexine or simply painted? Thanks, -rick, up early ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/crownwheel@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 06:16:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC154275C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 06:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE92E42756 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 06:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id cy12so1400397veb.32 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:12:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7JbVe4pKcUYmdGO/RX+/Na6tsgiqsijUdZ6Iv1KEqAk=; b=Oh+90jRifbr7jXy1l+YeYw8NWiF4rWdvtki3vgC/mPr3MZivwHjOaOrnL+15MolwOV xK/EcuRMLYV6kpykzm9SSr2RbUnMoIVQoGmIGFIo035KtpOnu/94DGQ+GYcMUcTMxik+ j30+Wzt1HakS7j2uekv+tvBAHDJ6BtAq+D8kMsRVK9v8zgLY3yNCrZV7qxbqaI1oVyms XrnT7gWoBBBhEQw6Bgm0vsd3fTcuVce47QOymCyIXdk9wMECH6XxEZ8uQM9lqSA/4pdT 1OBHJowlqCBsuQma+BzxrEM4GhBxVJr2kGZXSxaRacjbZkubvwm47uvIsil3Gdnu34EK 7Nhg== Wed, 22 May 2013 05:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 05:12:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <006301ce56e1$bfa699c0$3ef3cd40$@net> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:12:44 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Gene Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net And Good morning to you Gene, Thank you. > Good morning Rick ... > > 1) I just looked at Eliot, our 1953 unrestored TD and find that the nuts are > in the engine compartment. No lock washers are in evidence. Thanks. Here's my switch, tested good, refinished and ready for re-installation. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_152039.jpg When I removed the switch bracket I discovered that the holes are dished in, the equivalent of countersunk. See photo. My bolts did have lockwashers under the nuts but they were the tiny ones and almost fit within the countersink. Perhaps your car has them too, just hidden? http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130511_175607.jpg > 2) Eliot has some carpet material on that steel cover. Very good. Thanks. I will cover my car's plate similarly. I chose an incorrect but pretty Honey Tan interior for my car, including the carpet. My TR3b has a black interior and living here in south Texas, its like a dark oven all summer - which in Houston, is 8 months long! :-P Perhaps the light tan interior in the TD may be a little cooler, or at least seem that way. > Cheers > Gene, > Vermont Best regards and again, thanks, Rick, Houston ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:48:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DCF40521 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A390D40521 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:48:18 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1369255490; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=rL7m3Ge3r1Q1WAt+PyQtwKecy4Fr2edc43ymG2a9cdfjhogPT153LR8kCHRAKdYfH Bt81JXXf+sllOquyCxrkPaH+8KtmiHNLcLyoogdoS+LIxCCxWqmzrSkcRcFeKiL8BT n3JBQxOS5alZNKbEVfTkwijNZt3kOpYyNnxPy+hc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ34MTUAZK6GHJ for (sender ); Wed, 22 May 2013 13:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:43:13 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:43:13 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rick, In mine, bolt heads were in the cockpit, nuts on outside of the footwell, and the gearbox cover is carpeted with same material as the tunnel and floorboards. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 05:56:09 -0500 Morning Friends, Please help me if you know the answer to these questions; 1) On a LHD late TD (1953) with the floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch (which is actually mounted on the inside of the cowl), which way are the three mounting bolts oriented - bolts inside with nuts in the engine compartment, or visa-versa? My car had the bolts in the cockpit and the nuts under the bonnet - but we all know that 'the way it is' is not always 'the way it was' in a 60-year-old car! 2) Same car. There is an oblong cover on the transmission cover that when removed, provides access to the gearbox dipstick and filler port. My car had this little steel cover covered with black carpet - and a rather sloppy job of it. When new, was this cover carpeted, covered in Rexine or simply painted? Thanks, -rick, up early ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:12:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160BA4276C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C294054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:04:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:04:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:04:27 -0000 4BDzhLJ95VmwuzriUWmBpGGr8LxPfd2_c4mx8HrwDozXs8QWzsg2F5JXTcRh K_Ijj9Y4s7jU88d1p0gJzpsI2zRgYc3LG8jxMRaP6paOyKyjay9ZsNm2g0g3 IXS92S5AhxrvdlTLiI7mh4wQT1Z1Hrw0bN5agYqWOMQl4jl5KYTxjHe3J0cQ kTLDG8qbax3C2s5LyV_w70Oh._H8OQLQ3NRyhwfWJqBar0ijKWOI0sLVJjmb QlP_TVo8E7AnEviQGAPI6JFX6dd7caG8SHHBiD_Y0GNhqGjd1MQ131jDiW85 JXHN19xjVMCo8nA2mLYzmtHTT_llBBuSy21U4Df4f.E.xEdJVm6AhYqLBDxg c1bE3cSUjH__TFxeHy_YiG.dfUID46P0126GFfZ_i0NcXfazwAYtVzMhIOq9 rAmAJPAICLHorGmmPagM- smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 16:04:27 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:04:26 -0500 To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:15:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFCD42709 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC24E4054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:11:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:11:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:11:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 88341 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2013 23:11:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369264306; bh=9aFnev+lhDTPVQ8FNXO1C7eE/L6D0fv8toKQMjJ49uU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j7Ary/kVwOYtm5IVABql/4zVs6LGkmOZHsJPGm0O7JWffFcYPjHLwK8+/GeGs7BQdzku8U8mo2V4izl07kbKbFFLV4jV/fD3r3cGeWMKgRYOcR81yLI3W8sp9adqfJi+Ef76dCDQChArd2ih34HhAMOYK0CE7Ap/0Vhq8O/tscA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P6NgZeF/CiOG2VYk6JWZ3mG+wDP2AIchJRaaofvs9pDrg1KnxYu6M5ubCTa9xMXTwsi5xLrYkIQVcP4QRQHNS4yCyR9cO+ql2f74tUDZMyxa6hgcCYMctTZqSCqrnJuS/Yd3SMAzKLl+CzcdF7cGXiCNDl691fxKxjr68O7QNww=; C31GrR7MgBihGujyTZeQyiawbNGUE7IA7wa2GwMn14voxcd52tysR96423a3 FhjUAIHJtNK.twYNVEt8mm.jSbY7u9tiqjSSdDxUzvz1j4uCoVtQ07DxRMco 2Oa9G3n8bjtb__pNGF.50bIwalime8jMywR3SzNb5EGzvrmZHMlTvx29y21A Zs0RX08VayLs9cp1.4Vc5rj8XLwbeXzPflTN4MTk7SCqCflLXFMAlXg95g4C Axu8g9proZnHE8AclwabKZUfDtFQkDF_QqCfu6WgViXn_oF60h5Yq888tZIu GK1GDMavsJD1CDdyFzVhSlO4j74YdT3UE_5ry30ksn4oJY555GjvqDsQ.sTn 9Qz14ww80ITUquFYLnkjz1OTe8BoOIkO65bp7H75QPMLnboket5iXHfa3rs5 SNuQZ2eolm3hOh9oNWksOYvWZeDQAxOqda7W8BZ5ry2kFizl6.WT.poWUKWR 4rAkwXJOjn_Xl74ntLaU8ka6.x9M2mHc- Received: from [137.254.4.8] by web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:11:46 PDT UmljaywKCk15IGlkbGUtbW9tZW50IHJlYWRpbmcgbWF0ZXJpYWwgb2YgbGF0ZSBoYXMgYmVlbiAiT3JpZ2luYWwgTUcgVCBTZXJpZXMiIGJ5IEFuZGVycyBEaXRsZXYgQ2xhdXNhZ2VyLiBJIHRob3VnaHQgSSByZW1lbWJlcmVkIHJlYWRpbmcgc29tZXRoaW5nIGFib3V0IHRoZSBkaXBzdGljayBjb3ZlciwgYW5kIHN1cmUgZW5vdWdoLCBvbiBwYWdlIDgxLCB0aGUgYm9vayBzYXlzOgoKIkhvd2V2ZXIsIHRoZSBnZWFyYm94IHR1bm5lbCB3YXMgbm93IGNhcnBldGVkIChvdmVyIGEgc3RlZWwgcHJlc3NpbmcpIGEBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Fisher To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] a couple of questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, My idle-moment reading material of late has been "Original MG T Series" by Anders Ditlev Clausager. I thought I remembered reading something about the dipstick cover, and sure enough, on page 81, the book says: "However, the gearbox tunnel was now carpeted (over a steel pressing) and the exposed carpet edges behind the gearlever, over the handbrake bracket, were bound in Rexine. There was a small plug with carpet cover, giving access to the gearbox dipstick." So the official BMIHT historian says it should be carpeted. I did learn that my '51 TD is slightly unusual in its color scheme -- as Clausager says: "Some TDs finished in Almond Green had metallic paint on the body and matching solid green paint on the wings and valances (as had been the case with the pre-war Metallic Grey colour on the TA andf TB models)." -p. 100. That's the way mine is now, and now I have indication that it came from Abingdon that way. (I'm pretty certain, for instance, that the white paint under the fenders is NOT original... but it's kind of charming.) Best, --Scott Fisher Tualatin, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net [...] 2) Same car. There is an oblong cover on the transmission cover that when removed, provides access to the gearbox dipstick and filler port. My car had this little steel cover covered with black carpet - and a rather sloppy job of it. When new, was this cover carpeted, covered in Rexine or simply painted? Thanks, -rick, up early ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/sfisher71@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:29:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAD042759 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from s417.sureserver.com (s417.sureserver.com [216.35.197.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F944054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 28707 invoked by uid 504); 22 May 2013 23:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (lawrie@98.244.5.122) by s417.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 May 2013 23:20:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:20:28 -0700 From: Lawrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net No. 158 is equivalent to SU's ES needle Lawrie > The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to > reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie@britcars.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:44:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D664642775 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:44:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C334054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:41:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:41:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:41:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369266068; bh=Lf+/FnALXKJUuM2y2IKKC1lSjCfdmtlQdlF1MGvc8fA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=vF3Q6iihWOpXrwtwXvfOPXjK3mdc7h0nBLKaccNe/6Y00wzUeK/76O3Bnl+tIxpBfF6da3KrQnbvyVmVsRiTnHpL6dnYp+nfUSkCfJAzav85iSGDjr9//cxL3hBXi6nAWrBnp91UGtctzYXxN82mfamqgC55kP14xUeTeR7D7W0= lk7SkrbqMgeRfQCAkE_UUMj2xb0.Ijfq_bZOzK6xi0_JD7jSGhm3aCEXJfGC VmMvoFFuPwPRRvci7MuEDNlLM2ABOviVmN4XmWa3QAz73urklj3CS3RBQYTR Qr248TQbyIIgip1J.jU5JeULG_KiJpJVpkBX4UQhTKY2Xapc6URautM7UFgM R5KzbFLqGsKr..fh00WGZE7wMd3niKL6VDamj9cL2Us1ff9TOJ.UT9ea1LOg xN7t.DHqGBrcEcdQ94XcDiZX4cpGh5ln1U.BQkMMGzEz4tENnTsF4iNXUUry zY1a7vslXxehuFxwSKhZH9UdgOIddni8HcmGrpiQHX.mcmxbYkykXJLdOl5e JkC.ePRtjhjOmtIuIq_2evoy370QhPXLslcacTeWOMGiN2N1OpbcwO13Jaom lpSm6TyBClB3yPCCL9PW6HfJ5BKmK smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 16:41:08 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Duvall Video Productions'" , References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:41:03 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5XQXNY+xeHRVWXT/m9KBLLlqwwOQAA+QPw Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net My SU Tuning Guide, with full needle charts and specs, does not list that number. There is a "156" shank for the numbered needles, but you should still be able to find another imprint on your needle. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:04 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/wbeech@flash.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:33:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2BF40522 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAFB403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id C3DF7F441B2; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ET9MmKmO6fwi; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.175]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 2126AF441B0; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:29:47 -0500 To: ,"'Duvall Video Productions'" , From: Peter Caldwell References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> <8D26A6AD95F0482193B4324EA7B3D9A4@bboffice> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Attached is the catalog page from an old Beck/Arnley catalog who used a different numbering system for needles. This is the equivalency chart. I know attachments don't work on this list, but maybe one of the two to whom this is also addressed can post it somewhere useful? Peter C At 06:41 PM 5/22/2013, wbeech@flash.net wrote: >My SU Tuning Guide, with full needle charts and specs, does not list that >number. There is a "156" shank for the numbered needles, but you should >still be able to find another imprint on your needle. >Bill > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions >Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:04 PM >To: mg-t@autox.team.net >Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle > >The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to >reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of BA-suCat.pdf] ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:47:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973FA40531 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414A9403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:47:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 15:44:07 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.108] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 15:44:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 15:44:06 -0000 fvflTkl4i_2zK9gVE1aL1FjHfdEt.ReTT8dfOX.Tu00bhb69obiHev1utZpR oaJsMHgQaIAzUC0fy8_JjzCG9d15Vx_7acaD4plvA9IiJgd0_ZEhW1VFSRAB Y61XO3FAXwg3WrDOHI39I1SSTIa7UdmeXJwGwilYrztQP6UvD1Jl95w4KLSR eaZdg.XGYtg.iw0v4uIEexJV3pf7V5HPlFF7aT2DgVUhvGf.ag_AOjSuDUrj VnZxRyHEuL.4uGfPChf1l3QAZZ5DwtwxkHjuss.Up.CdoEzcmeBBm39dbFVa MzdkvPYQhIZHUZ4eW9zN51dOEB_fuX1Ljfv9c3abworLOyaXYpjVwL69FExR cIaw0ClckkCUSeKR0krcLQgeP88ZKWkipM5m61v6SC9avGipU12WFQyA6zFL 9t35d2U3ll0h_QkkHR6G.DA-- smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 08:44:06 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:44:04 -0500 References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> <8D26A6AD95F0482193B4324EA7B3D9A4@bboffice> <20130523152959.C3DF7F441B2@mx2.netinteraction.com> To: Peter Caldwell Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you much Peter- On this chart, 158 is listed as ES which is the original so I have likely been on a wild goose chase.... On May 23, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Attached is the catalog page from an old Beck/Arnley catalog who used a different numbering system for needles. This is the equivalency chart. > I know attachments don't work on this list, but maybe one of the two to whom this is also addressed can post it somewhere useful? > Peter C > > At 06:41 PM 5/22/2013, wbeech@flash.net wrote: >> My SU Tuning Guide, with full needle charts and specs, does not list that >> number. There is a "156" shank for the numbered needles, but you should >> still be able to find another imprint on your needle. >> Bill >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions >> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:04 PM >> To: mg-t@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle >> >> The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to >> reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? > ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 09:59:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CD6403F7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD5C403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p14so2274484vbm.14 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:52:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=18G577NYsf16iu6g+DsTIn3L/LWdI9PHVbotSQe4a1U=; b=ZrzOii7yeKMTaUR6C0dxfY+Gkz81GDFaVP2Ej3W99VhqhAdxi/SEBkmYbxUz2wQppw K+snxje4TwfRBYBd5CfsWwY7Pzo+Ru/1le/DcQUzJFx6MVJ7pmyLgXGY/3wNiu6b3aKI FUi3f7+x6FXPSCoTeHiVOeXQo20yuDwuQIakWDWiqtzOUkbTRuc623BrnudvvHvhLMDM clqK0EqS+V3YIZtla0qfq+X2Qa8G414N/ysSIIT+wPps0Jzb3zYfz+c7ahF8uQvcKWwv 8Pr0rCrFyLAHil0YTmlZAEd6yjApTRQAHdfVTKdaD9N6uNJD6U8mg5Flk35EnWA/IF29 dPrg== jk1mr2398930vdb.95.1369324021101; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> <8D26A6AD95F0482193B4324EA7B3D9A4@bboffice> <20130523152959.C3DF7F441B2@mx2.netinteraction.com> <735EC2F2-12EF-4033-9565-F55695871783@duvallvideo.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:47:00 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Duvall Video Productions Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mike, et al., It seems to me that the T-Series cars are made out of 'wild geese' so we are all in your shoes. :-P -rick On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: > Thank you much Peter- On this chart, 158 is listed as ES which is the > original so I have likely been on a wild goose chase.... > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > >> Attached is the catalog page from an old Beck/Arnley catalog who used a > different numbering system for needles. This is the equivalency chart. >> I know attachments don't work on this list, but maybe one of the two > to whom this is also addressed can post it somewhere useful? >> Peter C >> >> At 06:41 PM 5/22/2013, wbeech@flash.net wrote: >>> My SU Tuning Guide, with full needle charts and specs, does not list that >>> number. There is a "156" shank for the numbered needles, but you should >>> still be able to find another imprint on your needle. >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:04 PM >>> To: mg-t@autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle >>> >>> The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to >>> reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? >> > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 11:15:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B033040528 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85746403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 17:12:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 17:12:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 17:12:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369329134; bh=XuxQFtLLYU0IfY1RVR1Ry363x29bkB0a6q+Ld7JwUNM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=LEGfQrU3PM/YcAESWcDaXAgq3s44YBfmwaUZpnoVK8gOkoG1fNP8Zyo5qVE5pJZ4dLTLFPwiQvOmEJKeG7LGTNhGRC4vQRSoKY86OLEIr0ctP34ib/4HP+uN0sf5iqG5z/X10QKhJUFQLTh1xovUGDwnKMR4i0ntHMithQN+PYw= YXNYwhjLwnF_2BUPL8_bcn6RWQkcJamJUYEuifzdIuFZglGYVcrQQGNYmR7P XHjwedxTj6JbdgdOpx6KPrG_12lcI9s4nONqMwv0oMls96x80JPSCHyhBl1k h.fmDY1fFQTUucBsqEt1ZpI7RJiN_kTsKu.73A3E8oo5gSWoZhTI0IORXpaT o3QE0cUxvZEP.jcyOug5X4miHWTzjCyI.roKyBkiZzLkJFM60z_V5UXpl.OS 8uFAwHpD89SbVQW.xOyGI_8n6a0eR3tNCbaw03roFTiTkv5Hk8ezIQK_qwGV nItDvZQJj0ywQekj_eygCtsb7WsS_bD4_hlrkpl.3QlrvtPQIo1tErGEnYZT NcYbzk9nX2T9bbfHxEsMFuSMiU9xCbE01IWMNnqxue6PLXf.rjcChw6robUU q5qp_e90VC6cOAeXqTFA9iFi9CLB0juU19qCUvOxganqivxo9U9DaAfwkKME 32beG12zzgEKbK3uWK92zOVrCUPlY smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 10:12:14 -0700 PDT From: To: "'Peter Caldwell'" , "'Duvall Video Productions'" , References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> <8D26A6AD95F0482193B4324EA7B3D9A4@bboffice> <20130523152959.C3DF7F441B2@mx2.netinteraction.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:12:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5XynGGirdtg4QASkePCuwJ2URucAADbwvQ Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I have attached it to the Links page on our club site: http://www.bcbco.org/About-Us.html Bill -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter@nosimport.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM To: wbeech@flash.net; 'Duvall Video Productions'; mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Attached is the catalog page from an old Beck/Arnley catalog who used a different numbering system for needles. This is the equivalency chart. I know attachments don't work on this list, but maybe one of the two to whom this is also addressed can post it somewhere useful? Peter C At 06:41 PM 5/22/2013, wbeech@flash.net wrote: >My SU Tuning Guide, with full needle charts and specs, does not list >that number. There is a "156" shank for the numbered needles, but you >should still be able to find another imprint on your needle. >Bill > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions >Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:04 PM >To: mg-t@autox.team.net >Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle > >The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem >to reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 12:20:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8238240525 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E8340043 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 18:17:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 18:17:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 18:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 47521 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2013 18:17:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369333024; bh=LYUMsyv0r6wYKx/L/pvsS4J8Fr8O4LfBdZ8iRFnjWIc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Na5AqVM2qBufGsyFZ2xFm+OB25IVQmEU8WX6TkbdMLEfmn70PH3SFxprCO76jipALli0Veo4cEuh/jcZWY6CbVG0FAVoIrAvTP8OAJbIMi2WFUl9lR8J8lONODGYw42htTOWQX10HWVo/zEQ3vfp6QX3hiof/3gUpY1RP/3d9Zg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZDKS5dYewYmT1a/dZ/gy2WtekwPQtZ2noB+dpqo8tcdy6RMNtUsa3bNPgEWscH8Y3Jvo2ox/KjhaiKczOjGePUh1yYjJFUHh93uiTGt3wNe4L69bcMmWKjGT9Sk7qo8u9rrftRx8gcQdrFrJsaI+qDaX6p7J5SpbFtzDk4rEWCE=; RL2fWpoCF6lKB_FnPObBZp4US3gJQIGsEXtv2SIP6v9FLea7wgF1DBxZERY2 DYTqgMqPbI4X5RjlSA8Cabn93gmxoFCMXHBKjIDpFxaeWoh5lGIANuU36hrV W3E5MpqjLV4.oE6M8FnBLavr12aFNQ0wsmofN.OUoSL.iSLgTVxS73mKVcwl vCcarsosiSzc7mNnFP2PGcprFtq13v_isbnWN5O1bu18JtJqY0mFz7H4kuBi ULsqT6Z6tZ1H3WIbYXyP5g8Q.G4.1b1bRtbsHko_DlNBQxL71QlZoDqcaM2c YCmwOGB.jyKT6sU0sBY3MkK5jUiqqkgCSJyqTQKpmcrJoeQhTJpsRtmuNEAx .MEgsSbNEDGFd3IGAQERd.PHBVAKamn4p2BEn6U59sA84Z8Wt0Rs3Qpsw_Tt bxT7qUQfFPz6D4v2ywLzh4xNNPPTH_LLcLWIhv6s3C7JKnvAKlA_99KUwCcH JYfyCocbmCKB6ThvE8jWzGW2iW6g- Received: from [50.131.8.138] by web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 11:17:04 PDT CgpPdmVyIHRoZSB5ZWFycyBJIGhhdmUgZm91bmQgd2l0aCBjZXJ0YWludHkgdGhhdCB3aGVuIE1yLiBBbGV4YW5kZXIgc3BlYWtzOyBpdCBpcyBwcnVkZW50IHRvIGxpc3Rlbi4KQWx3YXlzIGFmZmlybWluZyB0byBzZWUgZXZlcnlvbmUncyBjb25maXJtYXRpb24uwqAKV2FsdAoxOTUxIFREwqAKQ2FsaWZvcm5pYQpXYWx0b24gU21pdGgKCgoKPl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gRnJvbTogTGF3cmllIDxsYXdyaWVAYnJpdGNhcnMuY29tPgo.VG86IG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQBMAEBAQE- References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> <519D52BC.6020802@britcars.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Walton Smith To: Lawrie , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Over the years I have found with certainty that when Mr. Alexander speaks; it is prudent to listen. Always affirming to see everyone's confirmation. Walt 1951 TD California Walton Smith >________________________________ > From: Lawrie >To: mg-t@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:20 PM >Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle > > >No. 158 is equivalent to SU's ES needle > >Lawrie > >> The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem to >> reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie@britcars.com >______________________________________________ > >Mg-t@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $11.47 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/waltonps@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:39:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E61403F2 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:39:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23599403F2; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:39:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id jz10so2712941veb.7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:35:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dtjpYztBMp46SL557iTYem0DYb+//qaVnaKTEM2ifhE=; b=DbZv9FbmimHo7qJB2IipOKtya6TbW6Vrt4icJjX9RGIVkuGLa+muu/oTJLHC23ipEe Yr0X8kLhGN02CX1kGenCzc0DtWq4VSrcPcZky79TVsx52n3LtOI5PdIWpeIIay0IQgOC oDH0etvSmgI3Y9P3ZHGHpEW+g1rbmWcFk7M/xssbJwQYQqeSkdm1aXy95sS79dHXSq8B Pv3pByOQNt5BggTu35QwTl92HXqN2t70u0CWv3/4ulIDbr+R23uDYVQRJ+x+9vw+DY9z BREmkj+7jetGKw/t/X7Bi62OQxogmNXLCe7rgqWh8fT4c/scac1yOvSJPtww6Me40Dz/ yeLQ== m6mr6254726ven.59.1369337759393; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:35:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <1369336851.35866.YahooMailNeo@web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:35:59 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Dan DiBiase Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Handbrake and bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Yea Dan. Less than a dozen! And that's for bolts only! And if one wishes to make the restoration totally correct, that would be the way to go. Its also the way to invest more in the restoration than the final result is worth! BTW, here's a look at the handbrake after refinishing. A new one is not available (from Moss) so some day, I may have this one re-chromed. Until then... http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130523_142433.jpg -rick On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > 'Gasping' at $35 for nuts n bolts!! > > Dan D > '76B > '65B > Central NJ USA > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Lindsay > To: mg-t@autox.team.net; "mgs@autox.team.net List" > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:06 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Handbrake and bolts > > Hi Friends, > > This morning I assembled all the parts of the handbrake assembly > (those bits found in the the cockpit only). The 'arm' of the > handbrake's chrome was beyond saving so I decided to either have it > re-chromed or replaced at some later date. Yesterday I sanded the > chrome to rough it up a bit, then applied a high-build primer and > black paint. Gasp! Well, for now, it will work and will look okay - > just not correct. The push button's chrome was fine and left > polished. The handle/grip got a coat of matte black paint. The > adjusters are brass and are now nicely polished and clear-coated, > while the rest of the metal bits are painted semi-gloss black, > including the assembly-to-tunnel attachment bolts. > > All of the rusty floorboard screws - including the ones whose heads > were drilled off - have now been removed from the captive nuts on the > angle-iron; those parts which supports the inboard edges of the > floorboards and propshaft tunnel. I did a test using another of the > 1/4" captive nuts found elsewhere. I ran a 1/4-20 tap through the nut > and fitted a 1/4-20 bolt. It fit nicely and was strong. My > floorboards will be attached with 1/4-20 countersunk Phillips head > screws for $1.50, not $35.00 'correct' screws! You have my full > permission to gasp again, as desired. :-) > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 19:09:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE44042764 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8AF403EF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 19:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fbVJ1l00B1vXlb859d3zVf; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:03:59 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.229.243.26]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fd1y1l00U0atUmS3dd1ywP; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:01:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:02:02 -0400 From: Bud Krueger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: wbeech@flash.net, 'Peter Caldwell' , mg-t@autox.team.net References: <512D0FD0-7DF1-4A4E-B8C0-C05C91F79AD3@duvallvideo.com> <8D26A6AD95F0482193B4324EA7B3D9A4@bboffice> <20130523152959.C3DF7F441B2@mx2.netinteraction.com> s=q20121106; t=1369357439; bh=t7/Sc+kL4sjN4Dg3TUky0tGICTQMoiYhIM3Hjb8n3Hc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=pR6KAolFXbPIQ9YMY2mbrjz+Tbp/jMUXnlpmaGVcrTItwdv6fWZpUX2mWjXKX1xO2 NKYk5BAuelCBDeOSi65KHYPngDTfkUwmfLzd9O6w4PmUgLt06KcBGV5ZUP8TuDlCEt ou119qQrsFuPlu1DUH9VEiRYjQaA2kv1wvGQ4GUB6mQuxURJr+6hu3O2n5mIzBt1XG b511jb8OMjd5xrs/fdHqrLt8bmm1LE/zQSvbMgemDm3vtO4HwV6+dqQkLP78i4yIdy xMjjeeyNWkeHKM/WLU1DGO5y5css7BMyClXUAWf8F78t4hHKqgErWxsCFzZQBG0GAu 8WHT9gReMHtRQ== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net And, it's at http://www.ttalk.info/BA-SU.html. Bud wbeech@flash.net wrote: > OK, I have attached it to the Links page on our club site: > http://www.bcbco.org/About-Us.html > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter@nosimport.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:30 AM > To: wbeech@flash.net; 'Duvall Video Productions'; mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] SU needle > > Attached is the catalog page from an old Beck/Arnley catalog who used a > different numbering system for needles. This is the equivalency chart. > I know attachments don't work on this list, but maybe one of the > two to whom this is also addressed can post it somewhere useful? > Peter C > > At 06:41 PM 5/22/2013, wbeech@flash.net wrote: >> My SU Tuning Guide, with full needle charts and specs, does not list >> that number. There is a "156" shank for the numbered needles, but you >> should still be able to find another imprint on your needle. >> Bill >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions >> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:04 PM >> To: mg-t@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mg-t] SU needle >> >> The needle in my TD H2 SU is stamped 158 which is a number I can't seem >> to reference. Does anyone recognize that number of needle? > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 23:08:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC204403F7 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 23:08:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3432B40396 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 23:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id g52z1l0031c6gX851540yg; Sat, 25 May 2013 05:04:00 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:28:1cc7:d66a:7941:2079] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:28:1cc7:d66a:7941:2079]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id g53z1l00a1DE1sB3j540JY; Sat, 25 May 2013 05:04:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 23:03:51 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mg-t@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1369458240; bh=7MqKheLtGJa3w8h3PqaXKx+AaLXmAovZoREI83VzXOs=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=jjy4qwLpBNgXD7RXLlTBO7RLwbdxOfUULB7xMJciaresNMIJTYS6y58akacicOv3c 1TnNZVk+suR06UXB1WufbacS5KtCDefZTRegaYRshRjs71Qp/IJHUOLeHhHS4f2DPg z8exHJK3PjUAKj+FiyJy9eXPZwebm+IG77NiHgRgLNXms/G0fP5/okDySRhTLI0iGz bFsRnxpe3vZVWayOhuDm+gypsYl+2CnOo5q8HGSsEYamKhsGaQCoZi5KnWYhFnouoO qjI66/GRWAR2JtECrGqp5ezp0DKfkf4EZ0adY0450/1YKpZi8K61RUPU+QorNV6HHn 8H5NOk+aZw9Ag== Subject: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Ran into an interesting IQ test today. After a full engine rebuild (ran fine on the test rack and in the car) and some transmission work, we took the car out on a test drive down the street today. In mid run the car died as if you'd turned the key off. I went through the entire ignition system and found nothing wrong. But no spark out of the coil or a replacement coil, condenser seemed fine, no continuity to ground with the points open, and the distro checked out fine on the Sun tester. Then I noticed a black spot on the back side of the points spring where it comes closest to the distributor body right next to the terminal screw. It seems it had been arcing to ground between the spring and the diz body. I cleaned it off, massaged a flatter curve into the spring and added a flat washer between the leather insulator and the end of the spring to try to increase the distance between the apex of the spring curve and the diz body. Plugged everything back into the car and it runs fine again.I could probably relieve the slot in the end of the spring that goes under the terminal screw but I'd rather not at this point. I want to keep it regularly serviceable without special notes if possible. Anybody else run across this happening? If so how did you deal with it? Glenn ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 13:59:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D00E4054E for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 13:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E6C403F5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 13:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 19:51:20 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.207] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 19:51:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 19:51:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71068 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2013 19:51:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369511479; bh=3OkTjy0+3HHJBz0U+OY10VlKZcm8RM2VY0UXnZ9OLtY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TLgvMNxPlh+xcGDoipjfSa1+2AglSWpkEZH5bmcQ+e8u0PnRK+S2EKtEqRnjtnfZPrFs0YXEMtlF+jbV2I9qZfK8Tc31BfVmDPYDU1OpwB1djdgThS6NBVLDCi6clo9tcxZXI+UnvYGNX99UAqqtoeGFM/6JbKf/QJCiaxXV12c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y8BBipKY5afco0gefthFC7QoGI044JSbTgHkQ+NMBXGEPQ+fTWBx2XkoGBsmQzdcYsnvVSXtp8YDhgroFdbj5LggiKJoiBNF2S8CNCss+K+uYOek6IDmeFL4Biuaq9bnLIWb5TeM+eXgjg1tlv8RQ71CxG+HV70Vq92QnT/zkgQ=; wNC5KI.hLItGoh1do7MgBu1LNYSca_jcobGxXhVbOSirMZLlDEWxo6rv451L NT.v.EDXld.0DInD9Ne1v_g_uLrEPwhbcnWQhAdGDIEB_GRSA.1MYEkUnuL9 tSz5a1zpoydUqvAtH0EfMZt98EIz5u_AfKS1qvn17OtUmcyuoHvaqc4_qZoS twfTqV7MbMGLbOdf6jKgrZ3or0AAleCruLv3l_NMIUP3VQ5UYlJ.vEQuaa_c zKGVDKOmcMie4zMsKIUyD5YYXT5wb5N5fgR73dXEYz3klsuGWN6t3472ScKW cnSjb526_Huq_sY7MjO5V4ubcIJ_A6x6MaNHLvzaigG_X426eIghY8XlbOLB 3jLof45HUV77yaFIDS24tHOS5_gHcEu9Hwuvs8lRuT7IE.oItRIrxk33.xUT DDY_bLumOe9JVPfpF5boTBd8ABPWOxmh1QNmVoFoNbeOIP.1f1BgZ9XEw4Ax vTOXZmEN0OJDHJeN4uf_M3yPM Received: from [69.243.110.91] by web140901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:51:19 PDT SSBrbm93IHlvdSBwcm9iYWJseSBkb24ndCB3YW50IHRvIGhlYXIgdGhpcywgYnV0IEkgcHV0IGEgUGV0cm9uaXggdW5pdCBpbiBteSBkaXp6eSBmaWZ0ZWVuIHllYXJzIGFnbywgYW5kIHNhaWQgZ29vZC1ieWUgdG8gcG9pbnRzIGZvcmV2ZXIuDQoNCg0KDQotLS0gT24gU2F0LCA1LzI1LzEzLCBHbGVubiBTY2huaXR0a2UgPGcuc2Nobml0dGtlQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0PiB3cm90ZToNCg0KRnJvbTogR2xlbm4gU2Nobml0dGtlIDxnLnNjaG5pdHRrZUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldD4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZy10XSBJZ25pdGkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net, Glenn Schnittke Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I know you probably don't want to hear this, but I put a Petronix unit in my dizzy fifteen years ago, and said good-bye to points forever. --- On Sat, 5/25/13, Glenn Schnittke wrote: From: Glenn Schnittke Subject: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 1:03 AM Ran into an interesting IQ test today. After a full engine rebuild (ran fine on the test rack and in the car) and some transmission work, we took the car out on a test drive down the street today. In mid run the car died as if you'd turned the key off. I went through the entire ignition system and found nothing wrong. But no spark out of the coil or a replacement coil, condenser seemed fine, no continuity to ground with the points open, and the distro checked out fine on the Sun tester. Then I noticed a black spot on the back side of the points spring where it comes closest to the distributor body right next to the terminal screw. It seems it had been arcing to ground between the spring and the diz body. I cleaned it off, massaged a flatter curve into the spring and added a flat washer between the leather insulator and the end of the spring to try to increase the distance between the apex of the spring curve and the diz body. Plugged everything back into the car and it runs fine again.I could probably relieve the slot in the end of the spring that goes under the terminal screw but I'd rather not at this point. I want to keep it regularly serviceable without special notes if possible. Anybody else run across this happening? If so how did you deal with it? Glenn ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/s4usea@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 14:45:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA0340552 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011B9403F5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 20:39:58 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.108] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 20:39:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 20:39:58 -0000 9CgwukmsaTCCLOKZekMSTTshBirlNQU_AY_bKhjNIjR_NPkHCwHCrzBMt4w3 Pj_ahLkAqk_xJnwgrIrqe373X7sx8Whi1nq_phSkMUoMz8Qfvp7Zb7D956iB lb9HSzTSYsuWfcq7YNmNck2TkJMn8Zx8YX5NeYgRMU1NQRcyh3tFrruOg1Fz tdWkyo9eXOqYWvjnIsHRB0ilhOjmH9WB23.z3vh.g__cDkZiIa_EyM7JxPzQ e9Rd8NX5sDkAw3z.Wx8_5_Yk2MUorCCyqUrDn_Myrb4RkDgUVD_a3wA9Cb_I gcyb.hxGAzXb4DnGvF3OJuuebh68QxWyOKRa6.w9Cjvt_mpd3RHN7JBOahgk eaUyC26U7ksEOrJXESWVWdd5Q32Y7qqgPsXlD1FQEoKfBXcKVut2VcDc_s8L UUV8LFVETLaE.P2Vn2bKpZg-- smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2013 13:39:58 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 15:39:56 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net, g.schnittke@comcast.net Subject: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I would first replace the condenser.... a continuity test doesn't tell you if it is storing energy. On May 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 23:03:51 -0600 > From: Glenn Schnittke > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 > Message-ID: <51A04637.3050202@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ran into an interesting IQ test today. After a full engine rebuild > (ran fine on the test rack and in the car) and some transmission work, > we took the car out on a test drive down the street today. In mid run > the car died as if you'd turned the key off. I went through the entire > ignition system and found nothing wrong. But no spark out of the coil or > a replacement coil, condenser seemed fine, no continuity to ground with > the points open, and the distro checked out fine on the Sun tester. > > Then I noticed a black spot on the back side of the points spring where > it comes closest to the distributor body right next to the terminal > screw. It seems it had been arcing to ground between the spring and the > diz body. I cleaned it off, massaged a flatter curve into the spring and > added a flat washer between the leather insulator and the end of the > spring to try to increase the distance between the apex of the spring > curve and the diz body. Plugged everything back into the car and it runs > fine again.I could probably relieve the slot in the end of the spring > that goes under the terminal screw but I'd rather not at this point. I > want to keep it regularly serviceable without special notes if possible. > > Anybody else run across this happening? If so how did you deal with it? > > Glenn ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 15:01:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D47B40549 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77012403F5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A167CA07DA for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:52:32 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: MG Subject: [Mg-t] A bit behind... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting around to sending out some Thank You notes to folks who donated during the Team.Net spring fund drive. Only about a month and a half behind. I guess it is a good way to spend Decoration Day weekend. mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 08:54:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25EC40554 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (mail-ve0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FBC40334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d10so2204790vea.24 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zEs8E2I4ri8gFudDs39/xlo3VIXezsMEe2jmUN4Znfw=; b=NPX9yKciSRgdSsaQMGvLelwGFLDTl80yik153o35unb3LtHLrKsIHGvMOXuUOZ7lgU PjpenZrSzy5KWtSpEWbgc/6BQyz5t2SedT5hgnBvqSAupWJAFkB8oQ1sQtUJCYw1WuPf cK0Be92O8kVQMZKIVH39Ecc3pSATTVLRuj+j4rI+jUQcpxG2Mgdgw7ssSS6RXG/vu0aZ dUBC6ecbsSvGfhTP0pBa/1Te2JXc5t8jryc3t+MYuHbJ7p5AAnvH3hd6bjKr1NQypF4v FW9rC7dZ0AY2uC64iWYLVXjMjAG0qZEyDraHkHIaOH9Qe8HURlGSGz10ZWMQueDrvv3k TUEw== by10mr11432267vdb.26.1369579452578; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:44:12 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Tub lift comments and request for your thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, We all know that the TD's tub doesn't weigh much but the 60-year-old unit also not a rigid structure. And my tub requires a couple of timber replacements. I'm at the point of lifting the tub and I'd like to share an idea. My car's tub timbers still need some repairs so the tub is not as strong as a healthy unit. Instead of lifting with ropes around the tub, I believe that I will fit angle iron strips below the inner four mount points, lifting the tub gently and just enough to fit the angle iron under the metal body structure. I can then bolt the tub to the angle iron and lift the tub from four ropes attached to the angle iron. Doing so should avoid flexing the tub unnecessarily. Perhaps I'll also place a stiffener across each door opening, near the top, just to avoid undue flex on the sills. I have a hoist in the garage so I can lift the tub easily and safely after all that. I encourage and appreciate any comments that you might have to offer. Thanks. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 09:08:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E7C40514 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458254040E; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p14so4209341vbm.28 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zRhDjnIRnbNAEVAdT6Fm5z0VS3GlS5Cso3DsfE/a2lA=; b=IZCkxqRmrQXxypIhKWJX82sb17s3GxNuyeh0zkB0elacddtPqJUxR03lErH/Fp5mbF b8sMv1+sB4znUUBfe85Du0Gt97kKTJwsDN2QZdoHBRg1SMAuU5PBqVndUPiY0NGvibmE 4AfkOrWUW2zaPE7KJbFyxcRyu2rZEceg7El7QfJyi2NRWiPI/thvfUQGplPQtrpWqiSS FpgvYGrwokVIbPkGFScy0y+fOopawCZBNglTKtFAAm6oRVBsBGOVhtNiOZOZU2kNkNPQ 75jCnwyLnHv8mReBNXnTT1cpZolVQk5QF7zXQLgMQibFhQicyVl5rXKQNdytzmlq387X tbcA== jk1mr8790494vdb.95.1369580106733; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:55:06 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] OT Rant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net What the #e!! was NBC thinking?! They time delayed the Monaco F1 Grand Prix then ran the POST RACE SHOW before the race, spoiling it! The local NBC channel here in Houston (or someone, network?) also edited the race coverage to fit their time slot. If their goal was to alienate the F1 fans, they certainly succeeded! And why was it delayed? To air a FISHING show! What a bunch of losers. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 11:25:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B644055D for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 11:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501784051D for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 11:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gh6j1l0040vyq2s5EhHhAD; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:17:41 +0000 Received: from sz0151.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ghHh1l00M2xV5no3RhHhuB; Sun, 26 May 2013 17:17:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 17:17:41 +0000 (UTC) From: spook01@comcast.net To: Richard Lindsay s=q20121106; t=1369588661; bh=HlXi8ZVST66jIzyxo3uC8osjNmrOVTrkqlnhHFeim+4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=FOJIr0iC/B7zjmMNjQjozIdOL9S4ERzo5Kn1cgnBfIlgqxpeILMS6enFJVE12DofN WLU75zc8SCqFZ1rlS5jk77IuSXXp2EVl02fJo1VwBGjseB6kfxXGCCKFqOVrzUagnS cgcmgKvlZKo1qCjLn0rYdh9Hk3Eql4H9KSR8zhtxv6Hap1QhnCDN1QqfzH3ZQ5CMNY 65I001GodaRzmaZO87VW1bmbxmd7eIZXSX7P1vLxrFPIboN7/vI4ssM+cb1ReTG1Ht TaUgY/BsYIA3v4xdukPtkGwvyNzWvyS/OZaXmqW5YEjHozIzauz+2p/vxeWDM+5WLx xATB74j+V4R0A== Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] OT Rant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net it was a great race though! "Life's tough....It's even tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lindsay" To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:55:06 AM Subject: [Mg-t] OT Rant What the #e!! was NBC thinking?! They time delayed the Monaco F1 Grand Prix then ran the POST RACE SHOW before the race, spoiling it! The local NBC channel here in Houston (or someone, network?) also edited the race coverage to fit their time slot. If their goal was to alienate the F1 fans, they certainly succeeded! And why was it delayed? To air a FISHING show! What a bunch of losers. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 12:58:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23804055B for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776DF40426 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 12:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 18:54:46 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 18:54:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 18:54:46 -0000 u2oSqJkx4SJYarSAocy0nDzIHnvLFQEgQaE860hwuoA_bRMr0I5jKqnAl1EB IRogdoF_8IgP9MODIMJpsVbySCH9iK1V7CfDxfZoz8h0lSKvJFBlbZj3.dZo ZlInYUrSfOR24BJgJot0x4WDltm90IzHbfGB0ZBgbNws7subZKVmv9EZ_kuT hXAOInHjuPCINYiaU4NeD5q1YHkqHsVzzWGNkZJ2qsfbd8sbW.nvLyqozcSo 0lVEmVttCcj86d.kSYPCqBFYBscohwaWM4VKB5I22jjrcqYXvX92N18Sx3kC R2YPbieicLPhSsLAPd2X4LxmQOOcdwur7nF8a1I98tYcaCo34c0AGVtqTARi s..uUWY7Q3vRBBygcUo4Er9L8bzzkdZLwJS_6yJ4J_QGaVF2G8hWwfcraRL8 p4XnvI5guHb5hGidrchcnMePPdMnJHPQ3EQ-- smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2013 18:54:46 +0000 UTC From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 13:54:44 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Tub lift comments and request for your thoughts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Get your tub all lined up accurately first. Put cross braces all over it; essentially build a cage within it. The various pieces of the tub provide support, if you start taking it apart, it will be tough to get it lined up again. A lot of it depends on how bad your tub is.... It is really easier to do the major work sitting on the frame then pull it off to do the frame once the tub is done. > > > > We all know that the TD's tub doesn't weigh much but the 60-year-old > unit also not a rigid structure. And my tub requires a couple of > timber replacements. I'm at the point of lifting the tub and I'd like > to share an idea. > > My car's tub timbers still need some repairs so the tub is not as > strong as a healthy unit. Instead of lifting with ropes around the > tub, I believe that I will fit angle iron strips below the inner four > mount points, lifting the tub gently and just enough to fit the angle > iron under the metal body structure. I can then bolt the tub to the > angle iron and lift the tub from four ropes attached to the angle > iron. Doing so should avoid flexing the tub unnecessarily. Perhaps > I'll also place a stiffener across each door opening, near the top, > just to avoid undue flex on the sills. I have a hoist in the garage so > I can lift the tub easily and safely after all that. > > I encourage and appreciate any comments that you might have to offer. Thanks. > > -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 19:51:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5424053F for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9FA40334 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 19:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gpVj1l0020EPchoAEpm1By; Mon, 27 May 2013 01:46:01 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:28:f9f2:98fd:a910:1a6b] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:28:f9f2:98fd:a910:1a6b]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gplz1l00v0fYAG88Mpm0P4; Mon, 27 May 2013 01:46:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:45:59 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1369619161; bh=sl+2flOuoJIeMLuVg1oMNJd55O6CvmEoNBo2ZfnXXs0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=m/0HcS9m8HBiuolBAxs79WrIYZ2fI4c239aGSuOkQzkfM2l4L2HI8F79dHeRCpUZz Qa4nd/RC/UmgDdt13tLZNP4E1PSl/VMFN26E+FIX/Qp5yNttq2zeDiiR+8eQwWGTep xPiQ8/An7Y9pKAxNM9bhedZ4600nbT0MXS4fzdJzEKFm92XWvALn0fg/vopZc1prrD zKJYcdEW5sgxHd8rYif3u9YmpEIP3oLf0O1U/ipmm/P2ZjwcyrXxhKVrelPDg8z7u2 X5u7DLh0eM8Zq/PQP/Es62if23WR5b7PhogGct06XLQabGRH1q+hcO+BKecL3oGDLB /WVjrmqXxLD2w== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net At least you got to see the entire race. In ENGLISH. Our satellite pack doesn't include NBC sports so I'm forced to watch the races on Univision. I don't speak or understand Spanish and I'm not about to try. I had the blasted recorder set to record "until the end of event" and it cut off just after the rear-ender going into the chicane. I had to read the rest of the race on the F1.com page where it's not easy to find actual race results and standings. Am I wrong in assuming that Kimi finished fifth? And didn't lose out in the points standings? Glenn On 5/26/2013 12:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: Richard Lindsay > To:"mgs@autox.team.net List" , > mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] OT Rant > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > What the #e!! was NBC thinking?! They time delayed the Monaco F1 > Grand Prix then ran the POST RACE SHOW before the race, spoiling it! > The local NBC channel here in Houston (or someone, network?) also > edited the race coverage to fit their time slot. If their goal was to > alienate the F1 fans, they certainly succeeded! And why was it > delayed? To air a FISHING show! What a bunch of losers. > > -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 20:05:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CD940359 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0AF40358 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gpXf1l0030QuhwU5ApzPbD; Mon, 27 May 2013 01:59:23 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:28:f9f2:98fd:a910:1a6b] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:28:f9f2:98fd:a910:1a6b]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gpzP1l00L0fYAG83NpzPkL; Mon, 27 May 2013 01:59:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:59:22 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1369619963; bh=2LFKG5IuI1cB1Ekjygq3aonTmNuZw8ykWp1trZ4Rx8A=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=BZRo8Mgbf7h3vpwYGGfN6yYX3bOKG485rd4xseicOkQ2s45TA1mNaHVa8tQ2smLbB DVVlK+35jncyLqHos/5oMNFtsGDhj/cQkc7Jj8y89ZX2gd/rN91fUPLvzpDPnONwpF FgN58bEJNd5wKFhlZI5PlCl5irWMb4kiyTGuyABlv+jYigIJytt/AXMbe8LY3giqwj VmssK4n2G5WrN46PBwTTJfE6ydSHLxl2SJ6CZziqE2BwYW/AmXpR9Omb96Ci3GdDEf XiTZEl9yARKuRypckGSw/KWidwGvSouzSyyCmtiVMJZKHK8rcEmeHmUhn0X30OQnYQ NixHQH+ZzcHSg== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net True, but it will tell you if it has shorted. I was in the process of replacing it when I discovered the carbon on the spring. Again , anyone ever had a points spring short to ground? And if so, what was your fix? Glenn On 5/26/2013 12:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 15:39:56 -0500 > From: Duvall Video Productions > To:mg-t@autox.team.net,g.schnittke@comcast.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 > Message-ID:<538F3515-438F-44BC-9707-6CBBC989933E@duvallvideo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would first replace the condenser.... a continuity test doesn't tell you if > it is storing energy. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 20:36:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C734040C for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24F640358 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 20:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gpfx1l0091swQuc51qPNbx; Mon, 27 May 2013 02:23:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([98.237.116.198]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gqPM1l00G4GubUa3bqPMrm; Mon, 27 May 2013 02:23:22 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 22:23:21 -0400 From: Charlie Baldwin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <51A2BDFA.1020100@comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1369621402; bh=wE4zMlEpW3iyQLjJrFkgbUfs5gnxfp7lNZ4vkSSUGsw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=hjRsJVVgyJmGjXI0sLsl2BsTwINTSW43tRAF9l139pFIj7/UEEKJnxBb3/ZsGvWSX tmk0/fEldxL18quXvMpVePnEY81EeZisFPSDY0Wkk7hi1OKLcBAnKeeF2IxGItN3J+ XE8WXjT+02sbrQK5Ph13mPEUkBnkQ5wcDBoSTMiQNL9R5PPO7RvTwPnolJojqz8lTO 5fUysCfI14gpQWpyGQXi91S50BV1KSNxHoenL50eOtYxLQbZ6dNcaiS4n2H0qaF0nv KWSZUSJDB04H76DGcdgCavJcqLha6g9rWWSFpGRS7qr4bfjC9OLEsbTTC4UCFp0rXW 08v3MfXTp/S8A== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, I can't say that I have ever had that happen, but it could have something to do with the not quite right points sets that we can get nowadays. I've heard of a lot of various problems with points, and rotors because what was once on every car is now on so few. The companies that used to make that stuff no longer do, so they are being made in places like the far east where things may not be made exactly to spec. Couldn't you just wrap some electrical tape around it a couple times at the location where it shorted. Of maybe glue a piece of thin insulating material to the distributor body at that point. Good luck with it. Charlie On 5/26/2013 9:59 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > True, but it will tell you if it has shorted. I was in the process of > replacing it when I discovered the carbon on the spring. > > Again , anyone ever had a points spring short to ground? And if so, > what was your fix? > > > > Glenn > > > On 5/26/2013 12:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 15:39:56 -0500 >> From: Duvall Video Productions >> To:mg-t@autox.team.net,g.schnittke@comcast.net >> Subject: [Mg-t] Ignition puzzle on a TF 1500 >> Message-ID:<538F3515-438F-44BC-9707-6CBBC989933E@duvallvideo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I would first replace the condenser.... a continuity test doesn't >> tell you if >> it is storing energy. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgcharlie@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 22:10:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABFF40445 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 22:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293034042A for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 22:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 04:06:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.168] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 04:06:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 04:06:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 4325 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2013 04:06:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369627615; bh=biAFXjMh3cXKIxijMeOyRB/u/6RuUN8IKG5SRsC3beA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RQ6zI+z8iTWkqzhUFDFj5T+zR0HqMB9vhZpbvrPtU+hEXXKY5It0N/oYcJjJgbVRrndEK92TFvEza1sB1APDdTehLBMw3u7wFEBJs3N7RI/AtkekP0CgHC3SqdaL3QtsEbf0DPi3CFBZZichqomY3qHcwmIUqcLgRgG9zPCCHp0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eKCp8GRr+J2nB4x+U6txmdqPPzzTgrNVVoSTxk9Y2+I8c7EEb+JtKFaV+A+tgmuu+rfDrcjoz4LueGywPeZO3XWfFR3zz3u2Y1tE0HgSUbqEklJERIIsihGZSPIovpKpuTfNvi3cW/LLO6S0fkiUQcyGAV7IWlq2xflLORn+qiU=; 6iGqyKZSC9kCS4ji6sbBxbe2r5v0mkQCD8rK3wWLoOSed04BqP4N3xJVYHST kYk5LPFtV2S7tVGpjwzqkSDc1b2OvIVUXABhaFvaoUE44V8kCC_0XJckEW.7 gj51rE4xINLlX60h1YRl3F3MwNueyTnRjSISIxD_NDivr25GyhUZMe7XjusT L7zioILhnS6_XN5kwbSi8aBD8cBSo174cJHhyKWMi6DfZRFP16zf3g4yXwCe .zHuY8mSlPeNY1nJ78zBFX3LcwKC5sXN8ZgeAMUtgElhMn06_3CTR1lENG0y ERvgEfGvUFVCkZac3MJHPtYYh__ydp1IUH_RmwPElcBTriiSaKK_2wjN_XO7 F_caCA.J17VFTVa_vIL6Sz87gsoqcfumj2HGe4YIwRmi38TE93xKD7y4Z181 TWbL_duXZHArZsOasaO_gly8SDMAi21Q75FhtTl.s151UPzJKFftL.qoCfQj nnNE4rvHE Received: from [50.53.154.28] by web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 21:06:55 PDT Tm93IHRoYXQgSSdtIGJhY2sgaW4gdGhlIGxvdmluZyBhcm1zIG9mIHRoZSBTYWNyZWQgT2N0YWdvbiwgSSBuZWVkIHNvbWV0aGluZyBtb3JlIHRoYW4gdGhlIG1ldHJpYyB3cmVuY2hlcyBhbmQgc29ja2V0cyB0aGF0IGhhdmUgc3Rvb2QgbWUgaW4gZ29vZCBzdGVhZCB3aXRoIHRoZSBjYXJzIEkndmUgYmVlbiB3b3JraW5nIG9uIHNpbmNlIG15IGxhc3QgTUdCIHdlbnQgdG8gaXRzIG5ldyBvd25lciBzb21lIDE1IHllYXJzIGFnby4KCkkgc2VlbSB0byByZWNhbGwgdGhhdCBtb3N0IG9mIHRoZSB3b3JrIEkgZGkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Fisher To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Now that I'm back in the loving arms of the Sacred Octagon, I need something more than the metric wrenches and sockets that have stood me in good stead with the cars I've been working on since my last MGB went to its new owner some 15 years ago. I seem to recall that most of the work I did on the MGB required 7/16", 1/2", and 9/16" wrenches, with a few odds and ends larger and smaller. So of course, I'm planning to buy two each of those, in combination and gear wrenches, as well as an assortment of sockets. But then there's the Whitworth question. I never required Whitworth wrenches for the B or Midget, but I'm wondering how much of the TD's hardware is held on with something the SAE stuff won't fit. Moss sells a couple of Whitworth tool packages. Have any of you purchased them, and how critical/useful have they been? Or was the TD's connection with the "modern" Y-type chassis enough to make the Whitworth tools a historical oddity? I really don't know. Would love any and all advice, including a Whitworth to SAE (or metric) conversion chart on line -- c'mon, there HAS to be one, right? Best, --Scott Fisher 1951 TD Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 23:13:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFA64051D for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 23:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D674003F for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 23:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 04:59:16 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.144] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 04:59:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 04:59:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369630756; bh=7om9UeSPSWAtOB46bqgefUHvkjFp1vXAM/ygvpI/E+I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k0jwMnBEmTyPvSxFXpSSDkHmkfj14+N1MYQ+2P9QyZm9AFyX8hFc6gcELFlKLsIy837k+COI04VYusrK25UsLcMqpBCXTwGChCUgtbwBNbV1NsLy+z0auwqFPc0xKJ/Fazbst9YiEhgCk+WT4S1i1hfWRe83sL7PgXSzR2tSIV0= OcwliM0Hv9cEUCTbZ19mAWxeViM7nqmYiSJjLQCJJbEhtNv5iFwGTJay4MrU dD_woNKl1cJq1HFauh7eVmtjH0AIEzfImzCzEdmUAjuYrfjCI9bN2F6mYD2l err0t.Ue25l4tJQozwEw0k1riF2WxOdVjqfiRXjjqoQ1Lwe8EXj14I2xKOBF alXqZpZLq385i4yduRq5xcJyte_tvQf0UCR3q015TyqAaJ6oapdFK9UhqXj. GVTnTlupdGXumJpBoCEyoTLM4sqrkuNaOrmHpgpxJn77kAyn1kijg_7dfefd xwL5SNjh09ROWbmnYpAN9M.0za5Mt1Q7Cu7r9M9v3ZEuHX8l5lIOnh__LRK7 StwDujkfcoKeXXKqcLQLE0Sdjk4d9obaqE5zvv5YbNx2Zfl3ruWrVTg.tkiT u44MJqPfW78wgo_5uK6d1Po7wDN4bY_dY6vZBAIUAdMkWHYAhidQ9so6NDlk .4RtYkA5esFZ4sWnaAtbj_210IF0zj5_kh_weWBRC68wlRx2ZLIJrodDPlaN whB6qGz7XEKlxxoNJvNy8D4cijCick7xUuR5VwBrKfUOkCSHhM6c- smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 04:59:16 +0000 UTC Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 23:59:27 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <1369627615.81143.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, You are in for quite an education. Almost everything on the TD should be British Standard Fine (BSF). A lot of people call them Whitworth but Whitworth is a coarse thread while BSF is of course a fine thread. The use the same set of wrenches but usually the BSF wrench is one size smaller than the Whitworth for the corresponding size bolt. For example, a 1/4 Whitworth and a 5/16 BSF use the same size wrench as the wrenches are marked according to the size of the bolt, not the size of the bolt head. To confuse you even more, the XPAG engine in the TD is a metric engine. All the fasteners are metric - mostly 8 or 10mm but the heads are machined to fit British wrenches. Here is the chart you are looking for: http://www.britishfasteners.com/images/nuts_bolts_key.pdf British Fasteners also has a good selection of British tools and fasteners at reasonable prices and very good service. Charles Hill On 5/26/2013 11:06 PM, Scott Fisher wrote: > Now that I'm back in the loving arms of the Sacred Octagon, I need something > more than the metric wrenches and sockets that have stood me in good stead > with the cars I've been working on since my last MGB went to its new owner > some 15 years ago. > > I seem to recall that most of the work I did on the MGB > required 7/16", 1/2", and 9/16" wrenches, with a few odds and ends larger and > smaller. So of course, I'm planning to buy two each of those, in combination > and gear wrenches, as well as an assortment of sockets. > > > But then there's > the Whitworth question. I never required Whitworth wrenches for the B or > Midget, but I'm wondering how much of the TD's hardware is held on with > something the SAE stuff won't fit. > > Moss sells a couple of Whitworth tool > packages. Have any of you purchased them, and how critical/useful have they > been? Or was the TD's connection with the "modern" Y-type chassis enough to > make the Whitworth tools a historical oddity? I really don't know. > > Would love > any and all advice, including a Whitworth to SAE (or metric) conversion chart > on line -- c'mon, there HAS to be one, right? > > Best, > > --Scott Fisher > 1951 TD > Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 06:01:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DD54052F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 06:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D37F40407 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 05:56:51 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1369655580; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=eBoCLX4RQurrfoJkxBKirRLbj5IiJrNSBcnX8pzQl5ShdY++cFvrHL2+1JHNSXsC6 lg6fsjxV+s+s7WG+n5msHr38q/d8okv/BtRjfkpn9jhjUQupUj+ege65hdanhHYvdI DniFWbdgXmwOlvSxuxuxpSke8XX8E0VaUkT1Hh6s= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ4GUJQAKL33TJ for (sender ); Mon, 27 May 2013 04:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:51:29 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:51:29 GMT To: sfisher71@yahoo.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, To add to Charles Hill's notes: Don't try to use a mix of US and Metric wrenches. Yes, it can be done, but the mess made of nuts and bolts will not offset the cost of the few wrenches needed. A basic set of Whitworth 3/8 dive sockets and combination wrenches will handle almost anything in the car except instruments and some electrical component internals, which are BA. If your wheel nuts have a notch at the corner of each flat, they are Unified size, which fits US wrenches, but earlier cars had Whitworth sizes. Last time I saw their catalogue, British Tool had a moderately priced line of tools, Everest brand. King Dick brand is their premium line and is priced like Snap On. TD fasteners don't seem to be as strong as US grade 5, so avoid yanking and cranking on them as might be done with newer fasteners. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Fisher To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Now that I'm back in the loving arms of the Sacred Octagon, I need something more than the metric wrenches and sockets that have stood me in good stead with the cars I've been working on since my last MGB went to its new owner some 15 years ago. I seem to recall that most of the work I did on the MGB required 7/16", 1/2", and 9/16" wrenches, with a few odds and ends larger and smaller. So of course, I'm planning to buy two each of those, in combination and gear wrenches, as well as an assortment of sockets. But then there's the Whitworth question. I never required Whitworth wrenches for the B or Midget, but I'm wondering how much of the TD's hardware is held on with something the SAE stuff won't fit. Moss sells a couple of Whitworth tool packages. Have any of you purchased them, and how critical/useful have they been? Or was the TD's connection with the "modern" Y-type chassis enough to make the Whitworth tools a historical oddity? I really don't know. Would love any and all advice, including a Whitworth to SAE (or metric) conversion chart on line -- c'mon, there HAS to be one, right? Best, --Scott Fisher 1951 TD Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 12:41:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D154E4052A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:41:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C920F403D8 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 12:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 18:37:17 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.111] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 18:37:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2013 18:37:17 -0000 KJMYZq2ACI7Wn_O4r.KggwSImWTR.CM69bQbWa7mFaESwuLAALRvJ7mXZIO_ 9Q3euS6837eTn4rAoCb8hVJIZUot3d5ga0ZgcZQR26F6PWGvUbpa1uce6OY3 HjGva9LYESfacszMOrRT_.N2mNssRaHt6hmySgNH9M.7ZnrF4Ncifuw3h1mh 8zKBwMQbX6H.LuzFB7C3TyTDkmSM1sFIs3k3SdFPW6SCgUvuakHhxBu15TbH GQWHT_wyXBbOkWimJm5yfQygbzTR0LZ62nISbXg.zRpOtkZV4oNayO99plg3 QGMkDlMbUzElXyVu5o73bvHnFz0F5EvgBLbfxEwzrohFEPrzeOhb7M6GjH9s Eez2VW3JbhuaofePjDwPiTnfqaB_mpCOnhEFqbDzOO2.ahyrblw8SvghrOcL T_RDbA8p3odOnKtb9ytKOcw-- smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 11:37:17 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:37:14 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 72 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, when you capacitor is bad.... On May 27, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:59:22 -0600 > From: Glenn Schnittke > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 71 > Message-ID: <51A2BDFA.1020100@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > True, but it will tell you if it has shorted. I was in the process of > replacing it when I discovered the carbon on the spring. > > Again , anyone ever had a points spring short to ground? And if so, what > was your fix? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 16:11:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6241E40527 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:11:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75622403D8; Mon, 27 May 2013 16:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 12so4916032vbf.18 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ELKc47Y1uH9QvxlMqcqMoo14q5sU+E3vlqUwELlk4tc=; b=yAndEhNmibXRHeTxMg75jvwnayV/72XOVhLaqzJbgsCiFuiRgPgUUtSWYaIuj413SV DKpTfUIdHe8ksQrjllJvKC6DwyLzn+oFmc6Ek8jAVjcKsPrHqf6wEi25Vj7Ps2U15NE3 FWTLqCrHW2cak0sMdIp5hdZhFFU2UH7pqIg+kkPnHodc6vcDL6qhq1qr7q/sB9DK1jbR B1dGFUcWd0JqGXmQI1IWk7lYsiWXj9DMKHNaIqvzyNto6K7M0xWDMZbjLUmNM0I+DgFz m02cG0wkpw5VK2qRceYA7/9x5itLxo/v3NtJHEnqOk4VK1xw2UXW3hnTonb7eF1MiPwr Bxqg== dp7mr16366007ved.36.1369692167489; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:02:47 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Just some tub-off pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi again Friends, I haven't done any more spanner-twisting today, but I have taken a large number of pictures, just to document the as-found condition. Here are those pictures, should you find yourself interested in below-the-tub goodies. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1295.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1296.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1297.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1298.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1299.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1300.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1301.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1302.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1303.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1304.JPG And before you look at the next picture, I must state a disclaimer: I do NOT usually wear black socks with shorts! Actually, my long pant legs are rolled up because I fell this morning and scraped up my knees on the concrete sidewalk. My heart is healthier but my knees are buggered. They're coated in Neosporin, even as I type... Okay, now you can look at the picture. :-) http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1305.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1306.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1307.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1308.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1309.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1310.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1311.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1312.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1313.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1314.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1315.JPG Regards, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:59:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102984042E for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F58403DB for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBB1A18F8 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 18:51:58 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: MG References: Subject: [Mg-t] Fwd: [Fot] Whitworth wrenches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Gee, a timely post from another list. mjb. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fot] Whitworth wrenches Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:46:19 -0400 From: Bill Tobin To: Hi All, someone inquired a while ago about my Whitworth wrenches. I finally found them, right where I left them. 'Cept I'd forgotten where I left them! Most are Blue Point, Snap-on's brand. A few King Dick. Some box, some open. If any interest, let me know and I'll send you a list. Thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 10:49:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849884053F for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail1.ecu.edu (mail1.ecu.edu [150.216.17.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39AB403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown (HELO Hub3.intra.ecu.edu) ([150.216.17.190]) by ironport1.ecu.edu with ESMTP; 28 May 2013 12:40:48 -0400 Received: from MOE.intra.ecu.edu ([169.254.3.100]) by Hub3.intra.ecu.edu ([150.216.17.190]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:40:36 -0400 From: "Gable, Gerry" To: "mgbob@juno.com" , "sfisher71@yahoo.com" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Thread-Index: AQHOWtCGE9kCkygCEkCbg/vjSW8wypkazktQ Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:40:36 +0000 References: <20130527.075129.7335.1@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [150.216.17.74] Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Please correct me in I am wrong, but my recollection is that the engine is a tractor engine out of France and therefor is metric. Thanks Gerry -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mgbob@juno.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:51 AM To: sfisher71@yahoo.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Scott, To add to Charles Hill's notes: Don't try to use a mix of US and Metric wrenches. Yes, it can be done, but the mess made of nuts and bolts will not offset the cost of the few wrenches needed. A basic set of Whitworth 3/8 dive sockets and combination wrenches will handle almost anything in the car except instruments and some electrical component internals, which are BA. If your wheel nuts have a notch at the corner of each flat, they are Unified size, which fits US wrenches, but earlier cars had Whitworth sizes. Last time I saw their catalogue, British Tool had a moderately priced line of tools, Everest brand. King Dick brand is their premium line and is priced like Snap On. TD fasteners don't seem to be as strong as US grade 5, so avoid yanking and cranking on them as might be done with newer fasteners. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Fisher To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Now that I'm back in the loving arms of the Sacred Octagon, I need something more than the metric wrenches and sockets that have stood me in good stead with the cars I've been working on since my last MGB went to its new owner some 15 years ago. I seem to recall that most of the work I did on the MGB required 7/16", 1/2", and 9/16" wrenches, with a few odds and ends larger and smaller. So of course, I'm planning to buy two each of those, in combination and gear wrenches, as well as an assortment of sockets. But then there's the Whitworth question. I never required Whitworth wrenches for the B or Midget, but I'm wondering how much of the TD's hardware is held on with something the SAE stuff won't fit. Moss sells a couple of Whitworth tool packages. Have any of you purchased them, and how critical/useful have they been? Or was the TD's connection with the "modern" Y-type chassis enough to make the Whitworth tools a historical oddity? I really don't know. Would love any and all advice, including a Whitworth to SAE (or metric) conversion chart on line -- c'mon, there HAS to be one, right? Best, --Scott Fisher 1951 TD Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:04:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2609F4044C for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB26403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 17:00:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.170] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 17:00:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 17:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 3869 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2013 17:00:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369760442; bh=aR4r54CJcpUF6iCR4FhJ1eQMH8mzqcI/gZY9/fkln2c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wKvBi832fhCmC2Rw/FsY8upVguHWpYMcHWFlHXs4gj1UvkV5bF33HZ+sPhy4ms5bJSI+3GuswyLqy0EcItempg24PiIDvtuOOPmiSofvA0ItIXC2rtdfcMWzf4xHWiS/lFBVM+ZJBGzuXwdSHtKQBz+qrsR6mhy+5lYwmkUyvn0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bja1iILu8K/oEpKHwFkU2IJlwaOzkvY6CpuXw9eTcqPYNbnyNw6XFZofQFZyJJZxyzWJc82EygdBdqmrbWNUohfhLDAOKKP9n70/a0GPcEgtZtl9LTngiVEZdwHOAyg/Lj0g19zfpnLiVSZ6aGLPnO9U5jYOUlR3dbgy6FAkg3o=; RhZjtTj8EpP705PblaVPZYNQYyNGTnn3LBO7a3vb695G.6imrdy0Oya6BZFW WFGTL3hCQmCfrCiVz_fKe1gcVmfBnVwD1KauN6tm_VwknskRpfnAZ.7zdoIv q_X5UIk9_jHZv1DDAnOC8afUBApeSq4c6OvUkb.FHtql4DeBIvmF9jifKiEt zcj5mS1bxd.Ael6QLjGdWjcWH6hQbvlD4ejekABYDSSD7Uibzh1MgNwm4DQU ZT.JLgI5vP8h2MXDZxSvgefXC8qBp1Z4vKR92r7UROYh4YQCkvRNDPr5_HKU jZ8nC1Rt6PF2xk_R0bMicgi685CrlwT7yvkFZ2WpAyRVciFCyjquFnS3cmcc lXRgOI6W6IeSsx5vXX.qGd62Qw2P5kHGi2eoHM9dzeR2GCw7r4SVG9nB0ANC O54vt22AXXWJYSWYSXzWl0RfEtdk8bSNu15BOVUbNaZkI0DzFPph.vR.ga2B 7hUXS.wcAYQz0EQBH5voEKndq0wzePEdSZLNiGXQbuaPGxnTBXRFOC.hp1zE 8 Received: from [137.254.4.12] by web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:00:42 PDT R2VycnkgLSBsZXQncyBzZWUgaWYgSSd2ZSBpbnRlcm5hbGl6ZWQgaXQgeWV0OiB0aGUgdGhyZWFkcyBpbiB0aGUgWFBBRy9YUEVHIGFyZSBpbiBmYWN0IG1ldHJpYyAodGhlIGVuZ2luZSBiZWluZyBvZiBIb3RjaGtpc3MgZGVzaWduIGZyb20gRnJhbmNlLCB0aG91Z2ggSSB0aG91Z2h0IHRoZSB0cmFjdG9yIHNsdXIgd2FzIHJlc2VydmVkIGZvciBUcml1bXBocyA6LSksIGJ1dCB0aGUgZmxhdHMgb24gdGhlIGJvbHQgYW5kIG51dCBmYWNlcyB3ZXJlIHJlbWFjaGluZWQgdG8gdXNlIHdyZW5jaGVzIG1lYXN1cmUBMAEBAQE- References: <20130527.075129.7335.1@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Fisher To: "Gable, Gerry" , "mgbob@juno.com" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Gerry - let's see if I've internalized it yet: the threads in the XPAG/XPEG are in fact metric (the engine being of Hotchkiss design from France, though I thought the tractor slur was reserved for Triumphs :-), but the flats on the bolt and nut faces were remachined to use wrenches measured in good old inches. So for cleaning out the threads in an engine rebuild I will want to keep my metric tap-and-die set, but I can't, for example, throw my 11mm gear wrench over a nut or bolt on the block to take it out. So far, the only tools I've needed to use on the car are my spark plug wrench and a screwdriver -- and that just to pop the springs on the distributor cap when I installed the new cap, rotor, plugs and wires. But sooner or later I'll be taking things off to clean them up, and actually, Bob's comment about the wheel nuts is very timely as I need to adjust the brakes soon. The car stops well but with a longish pedal travel, and the LF wheel locks up early. Getting the brakes adjusted will make the car a lot more pleasant to drive. Thanks, all! --Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gable, Gerry" To: "mgbob@juno.com" ; "sfisher71@yahoo.com" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Please correct me in I am wrong, but my recollection is that the engine is a tractor engine out of France and therefor is metric. Thanks Gerry -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mgbob@juno.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:51 AM To: sfisher71@yahoo.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Scott, To add to Charles Hill's notes: Don't try to use a mix of US and Metric wrenches. Yes, it can be done, but the mess made of nuts and bolts will not offset the cost of the few wrenches needed. A basic set of Whitworth 3/8 dive sockets and combination wrenches will handle almost anything in the car except instruments and some electrical component internals, which are BA. If your wheel nuts have a notch at the corner of each flat, they are Unified size, which fits US wrenches, but earlier cars had Whitworth sizes. Last time I saw their catalogue, British Tool had a moderately priced line of tools, Everest brand. King Dick brand is their premium line and is priced like Snap On. TD fasteners don't seem to be as strong as US grade 5, so avoid yanking and cranking on them as might be done with newer fasteners. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Fisher To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Now that I'm back in the loving arms of the Sacred Octagon, I need something more than the metric wrenches and sockets that have stood me in good stead with the cars I've been working on since my last MGB went to its new owner some 15 years ago. I seem to recall that most of the work I did on the MGB required 7/16", 1/2", and 9/16" wrenches, with a few odds and ends larger and smaller. So of course, I'm planning to buy two each of those, in combination and gear wrenches, as well as an assortment of sockets. But then there's the Whitworth question. I never required Whitworth wrenches for the B or Midget, but I'm wondering how much of the TD's hardware is held on with something the SAE stuff won't fit. Moss sells a couple of Whitworth tool packages. Have any of you purchased them, and how critical/useful have they been? Or was the TD's connection with the "modern" Y-type chassis enough to make the Whitworth tools a historical oddity? I really don't know. Would love any and all advice, including a Whitworth to SAE (or metric) conversion chart on line -- c'mon, there HAS to be one, right? Best, --Scott Fisher 1951 TD Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:05:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253334043F for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C11F8403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19678 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2013 16:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 May 2013 16:54:28 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=gyU970rlkCkSAEQJoPZBRux5OtjSVyP5fzK2ESYPNjg=; b=EqpMpnTdzVZOB/vwtcTovt+DOVJRFHQuDAGQobIPRvapAsDh04aLvfShq51Z7uw6XbuO/GTy5/xtTadARGnGkZqgemmzbCTAUOaTXb6MrM5hkJW4Y/IGheKUrbBVc32p; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37528 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UhNAJ-0004x5-Tr for mg-t@autox.team.net; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:54:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 11:54:29 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <20130527.075129.7335.1@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/28/2013 11:40 AM, Gable, Gerry wrote: > therefor is metric. >> HeeHee, but with a TWIST (NO pun intended ) Gerry. Some is "French Metric" ! ! Lawrie, Kelvin, Bud, mgbob, Gene G., and I KNOW I am missing some others that KNOW --- youse guys may NOT pipe-up ! ! ! Rest are free to guess the "Some..." ! ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:10:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5247B40534 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F0BE403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:10:09 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1369760772; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=M8c1HD2s97yzEFQ1g+T0dfPWC1+APEH4u8F0kd3fCOz4ALz1boyfE+thNIG0k9RzX UgAVvdj4UDED5fm40bS4ZcaiECtc8bOM9cFMDbq2Cuw5k8CUPxZXzvSBS27Ka8XCtG bi02xcOGZDtW3N5BdqtvjigTNJjjmbIqoWIPv+S8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ4K28HALS8BNS for (sender ); Tue, 28 May 2013 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:04:41 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 17:04:41 GMT To: GABLEG@ecu.edu Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net No, not a tractor engine at all. When developed, it was thought quite modern and efficient, though it still had the long stroke/bore relationship that resulted from the formula for calculating taxable horsepower. 10.97, if someone asks you. Mr Morris bought, after the War, a factory set up by a French manufacturer in the UK, when it was feared that his factories would be overrun by the Huns. It would be interesting to have a cost accountant work out if using the French tooling resulted in savings over the years. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Gable, Gerry" To: "mgbob@juno.com" , "sfisher71@yahoo.com" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: RE: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 16:40:36 +0000 Please correct me in I am wrong, but my recollection is that the engine is a tractor engine out of France and therefor is metric. Thanks Gerry -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mgbob@juno.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:51 AM To: sfisher71@yahoo.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Scott, To add to Charles Hill's notes: Don't try to use a mix of US and Metric wrenches. Yes, it can be done, but the mess made of nuts and bolts will not offset the cost of the few wrenches needed. A basic set of Whitworth 3/8 dive sockets and combination wrenches will handle almost anything in the car except instruments and some electrical component internals, which are BA. If your wheel nuts have a notch at the corner of each flat, they are Unified size, which fits US wrenches, but earlier cars had Whitworth sizes. Last time I saw their catalogue, British Tool had a moderately priced line of tools, Everest brand. King Dick brand is their premium line and is priced like Snap On. TD fasteners don't seem to be as strong as US grade 5, so avoid yanking and cranking on them as might be done with newer fasteners. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scott Fisher To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Now that I'm back in the loving arms of the Sacred Octagon, I need something more than the metric wrenches and sockets that have stood me in good stead with the cars I've been working on since my last MGB went to its new owner some 15 years ago. I seem to recall that most of the work I did on the MGB required 7/16", 1/2", and 9/16" wrenches, with a few odds and ends larger and smaller. So of course, I'm planning to buy two each of those, in combination and gear wrenches, as well as an assortment of sockets. But then there's the Whitworth question. I never required Whitworth wrenches for the B or Midget, but I'm wondering how much of the TD's hardware is held on with something the SAE stuff won't fit. Moss sells a couple of Whitworth tool packages. Have any of you purchased them, and how critical/useful have they been? Or was the TD's connection with the "modern" Y-type chassis enough to make the Whitworth tools a historical oddity? I really don't know. Would love any and all advice, including a Whitworth to SAE (or metric) conversion chart on line -- c'mon, there HAS to be one, right? Best, --Scott Fisher 1951 TD Tualatin, Oregon ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:34:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000D140690 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:34:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40547403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 17:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 99117 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2013 17:27:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369762051; bh=HhYrh9x5F8Reok+QXKLFpm8VxQZaXiFI1gwjhKBsmXM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GzoznNu9LpHtmBoPweSv0FtfDDQ6ZLgxDrTP2GBdjQl4o8lPURmDywiukJe7l8yXw+gFyzi5qkfemvnGaKCYd1sWqDlVrRO4YNtFgIGk9Jbb9HcpC5v11xZSpDzwui4NxYAldRIq77KoqYqJd6gdOG1pFQE8i6B9Ns5v5hrQqcg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MhVNIl9NztufqqBbglUfOLAzUiJa0MCQ9c8hwokGzfeq2BBqo0v7UYfDvD/K3KPT4SzB/c4MxieP/nlkNd7gO4dOqIbicXKv5IAs6NJF7epRMO3Awvh0PNyD+5mJj6L/jrAB+Fd6uDxJotSBzsfIJzZxt970O6FeYN1xP0Ityds=; B7MX7NnK3s6bwpN.5_zpgB84yvBWJNHi.ySlZtN6rQA13QaCzW2aoY9GIBEK 92.cBLh8IMqdyhIOb6fUMQeMM7SdjEfZ4BTsahSx2kpWSSD8evS9LAIFptdW Aem4T5mo_KnAmsKgmHYVVmjKIQzjGtsFJIOCk7Kx5.9coMeoBVyOiBZWUxr6 jFq2KwEriUx0XL8b6El1gPJcbm1VuQkqEfias3.ID3TwdzZz96y9Hn0uUkhv ZJyY_.RafvclX5Pm55pzZwAK7hEWVEfD0jqqoCXK2IIy3IUY2MdPIuMd9lUJ 7i6IVKXhsw5KxyDEhqSkWvPJVcFESKDUJG4lGEZeUOvahXZIdjYCuRfZb0aG KQ7mqMajAKulftJQZCEPQJNVyyZ7s31Vbx9.vaaB.Qpcd9XTY9VjlTgu4Cmq Uzd3Ji.ZScWlQKCuzN7ds2wMjkSE._QOAKxrW6X_ZwGn65fNL2psD63JADXe EesBrKXmEs.IBLo8100y6POEG5UOLtA-- Received: from [137.254.4.12] by web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:27:30 PDT KkJsaW5rIGJsaW5rKi4uLiBSZWFsbHk_IEV4Y2VsbGVudCEgSSB3YXMgcmVtZW1iZXJpbmcgYWRqdXN0aW5nIHRoZSByZWFyIGRydW1zIG9uIG15IE1HQiwgd2hpY2ggaW52b2x2ZWQgc3Bpbm5pbmcgdGhlIGRydW0sIHRpZ2h0ZW5pbmcgdGhlIGFkanVzdGVyIHRpbGwgaXQgd291bGRuJ3QgdHVybiwgYW5kIFRIRU4gYmFja2luZyBvZmYgb25lIGNsaWNrLiBUaGlzIGlzIGdyZWF0IG5ld3MhIEkgY2FuIGRvIHRoYXQgdG9kYXkhIE5vdyBpZiBvbmx5IHdlIGhhdmUgYSBicmVhayBpbiB0aGUgdGh1bmRlcnN0b3IBMAEBAQE- References: <20130528.131810.26179.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Fisher To: "mgbob@juno.com" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] Brake adjustment (was Re: What's a Whit worth?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net *Blink blink*... Really? Excellent! I was remembering adjusting the rear drums on my MGB, which involved spinning the drum, tightening the adjuster till it wouldn't turn, and THEN backing off one click. This is great news! I can do that today! Now if only we have a break in the thunderstorms, I won't also have to suss out putting the top up while standing out in the rain somewhere... :-) Thanks! --Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "mgbob@juno.com" To: sfisher71@yahoo.com Cc: GABLEG@ecu.edu; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's a Whit worth? Hi Scott, Provision for adjustment of brakes was cleverly thought out, so that it requires only a flat screwdriver. It's not even necessary to jack the car. Under the hubcap is a hole in the wheel. This should be set over the corresponding hole in the brake drum. The holes are moved over the adjusting snail, the screwdriver turned clockwise until the adjuster stops, then rotated back one click. A flashlight is handy to peer into the hole. Handbook calls for one click back. I have found that two clicks ensures free rotation of the drum, and the pedal is quite high enough. Bob ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:34:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577B940427 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493D4403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r4SHRx14027412 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:30:24 -0700 Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - b84ea6bd) id dm0202.519bf3a1.b96945 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:29:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:29:28 -0700 From: Dave and Liz DuBois User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-28_08:2013-05-28,2013-05-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=15 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1211240000 definitions=main-1305280163 Subject: [Mg-t] History of the XPAG engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net As Bob stated, not a tractor engine at all. Below is an article written by Jerry Felper, tracing the origin of the engine right back to the good old USA! THE ORIGIN OF THE XPAG ENGINE Jerry Felper Did you ever wonder why the threads on a XPAG and XPEG engines are French Metric or where this great engine came from.Well here is the whole story. It all started in Connecticut in 1826 with the birth of Benjamin Berkely Hotchkiss.Benjamin served an apprenticeship as a machinist and worked in the Sharps Rifle Factory.He participated in the development of the early Colt Revolver. In the mid 1850, he and his older brother returned to the family business, where the two spent their spare time experimenting with cannon shells.Hotchkiss projectiles were especially lethal and after proving themselves in the Mexican War, small orders came from the U.S. government and Japan.With the advent of the Civil War, their new enterprise grew into a giant.By 1865 they were filthy rich. Their problem was that peace kept breaking out, so Benjamin traveled to Europe in search of additional markets. Here he met Napoleon III. Emperor of France, who sensing a threat from the East persuaded him to set up an armament factory in France, this was 1867.It was located in St. Denis, also home of the famous boiler and steam engine builder Delaunay-Belleville. France was soundly trounced in the Franco Prussian War and it was not until 1872 that the new Hotchkiss gas-operated automatic "rapid- firing" gun, the first modern machine gun, was adopted by Chile, China, Britain, Russia and the USA.By this time there were five Hotchkiss factories operating in Europe. When peace broke out again, Hotchkiss found themselves with too much production floor space and not enough production.By this time Benjamin died and there were a number of creative Presidents of Hotchkiss.In 1898, President Mr. Parsons figured that any company that could turn out precision gun parts could just as well turn out parts for the new auto industry.By the turn of the century, the slack on armaments had been taken up by large component orders from Panhard and De Dietrich. Parson hired George Terrasse who was an experienced auto designer and Hotchkiss started to build autos. One of their first cars had a 19L Engine.Their autos had many state of the art features and were very reliable. Now the connection with our engines starts.Hotchkiss built autos until the First World War broke out and were back making guns.The French decided it would be best to move the Hotchkiss armaments factory to England to keep it away from German hands.The plant was moved to Coventry. After the war they needed some thing to build, since they saturated the machine gun market.They built 1,100cc engines for BSA and in 1921 they took a contract with Morris to build copies of the American Continental engines that were originally built for the Morris Cowley. This proved to be a big operation and 1923 William Morris purchased Hotchkiss-Coventry. *Editor's Insert:* Since the factory had been moved from France, all the tooling was French Metric.It was considered too expensive to convert all the tooling to British specifications.So Leonard Lord came up with the idea of using Whitworth heads on the metric bolts and nuts so British mechanics could use their regular tools on the engines.Thus was born the "Nuffield Mad Metric" nuts and bolts used on all engines and transmissions made from 1923 thru 1956 in the now Morris Coventry engine factory. /The overhead cam engines used in the early MGs all were this strange combination of French Metric threads with Whitworth heads./ /In 1936 MG adapted a Wolseley overhead valve engine for the new series MG, the TA/ This is where the XPA- series engines came from and why they use French Metric Threads.Our engines were derived from copies of an engine of the 1920s, built by Continental in the USA (The Continental engine was a version of the engine designed before WW I by William Morris). If you would like to read more about Hotchkiss please get a copy of Skinned Knuckles Vol. 30 No.] A UG. 2005, Foreign Affairs by John Kuerzi. This is where most of my information came from and l thank Skinned Knuckles for allowing me to copy much of the article. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 12:58:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C484052D for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from dub0-omc4-s23.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc4-s23.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A031403FC for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DUB123-DS15 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s23.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 28 May 2013 11:32:00 -0700 From: Ulla & Sven Ordell To: "'Dave and Liz DuBois'" , , References: <51A4E978.5030607@sinclair.net> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:32:01 +0200 Content-Language: sv Thread-Index: Ac5byRsCJasvZz4BQCif0oly6NNXzwABgvLA FILETIME=[A43C22A0:01CE5BD1] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] History of the XPAG engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Friends Good Daid nearly full points. Not quite as I remember and as far as I can check the history. In essential yes, but /The overhead cam engines used in the early MGs all were this strange combination of French Metric threads with Whitworth heads./ The MMM overhead cam engines were not a Morris design but a Wolseley one before Morris bought the Wolseley works, thus all threads are "BSF related" not Si metric. The inspiration for those OHC was another effect from WW1 when Wolseley built Hispano-Suiza aero engines. /In 1936 MG adapted a Wolseley overhead valve engine for the new series MG, the TA/ That engine however was a Morris design, the Wolseley adaption came later, and that uses the French SI metric threads and was developed into the XPAG It was built at Morris engines branch (or whatever the old Hotchkiss factory might have been called at that time). -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] Fvr Dave and Liz DuBois Skickat: den 28 maj 2013 19:29 Till: mg-t@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Dmne: [Mg-t] History of the XPAG engine As Bob stated, not a tractor engine at all. Below is an article written by Jerry Felper, tracing the origin of the engine right back to the good old USA! All the best to all of you. Sven Sweden TC 2085 and L types. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 10:40:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FB7427E1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F67427E6; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id i3so4717780vbh.3 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:36:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=St3LB4/iMtdVytpvDAwzDORMfejVnTGmdKqQt2oQ7Jk=; b=e3VS+QjIsdQBeKRxd3a23G9DCdXmvMJsCxo1JE9m/u6M+5tbWSdo5FM05UM5eKck8g 4RTZDZC4xQoJuQdouDbc7SsPLTpvckkYbRKtEi+/47rwdv9hc35w0N5VlFzOuTHOjNX9 /Pc1rBfevrcBXC4SxYECcaimikHvEvaN3bSYyAvFNBjM/Btauei/UndZz+LYp1sGvXZJ l62mxJjXX5AblXwTsbHg0gPMYTwMEk7aMjno2LtwMwCLg5b/SLEKiLtGAK/m9EKR1hjl BaPe0wG/lLJwbQGuSpVcn4vQpLMASi8428U/0fHbLX9RSB4GrYRIw8dbwS/cF/0TjXr2 AWzQ== n18mr2157858vck.15.1369845388697; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:36:28 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Nuts, etc... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Yes I put the rear of the frame up on jack stands and removed the left rear wheel and - wait for it - cleaned and painted the lug nuts. I like to refinish as I go. It gives a bit of variety to the work, not to mention sitting versus standing and visa-versa. The next step was to remove the left rear damper. It was quite heavily coated in dirt and grease. And quite honestly, that's a good thing. It precludes rust! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_080633.jpg A few Whitworth spanner twists later, the damper was free. All bolts and nuts came free somewhat easily. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_082638.jpg I did discover that the bolt threads were damaged so I have bought replacements in 3/8" - fine x 3" length, grade 5 bolts, washers and nuts. The mounting point on the frame is just fine. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_082646.jpg With the damper free and upright on the workbench, I moved on the to spring. With the axle hanging on the straps, I broke the nuts loose on the U-bolts. I had soaked them yesterday with Liquid Wrench. Here's a look at the area, just for documentation. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_082651.jpg Another couple of documentation pictures. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_082709.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_082718.jpg While the nuts and U-bolts soaked, I removed the rear shackle. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_084022.jpg And with a few more spanner twists, the spring was free. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_092350e.jpg Here's a look at the front spring mount point, before cleanup. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_094159.jpg If it wasn't a bit of a PITA, this would be funny: After removing the nut from the front spring bolt, I used a drift pin/punch to push the bolt out. A few taps on the drift broke the bolt free and sent it flying INTO THE TUBULAR CROSSMEMBER! I did say a few ugly words upon discovering that! Without much worry, I realized that I could just feed a length of old hose through the tube and push the bolt out. I had spent enough time fighting bolts (and looking for old water hose) so I stopped and cleaned, sanded and primered another bit of the frame. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_104247.jpg Here's a little closer look. Primer still drying. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_104252.jpg And with that, I cleaned myself up and went for a drive in the E-Type (read: went to the hardware store for those new damper bolts). Fun! This afternoon I hope to clean the rest of that run of frame, clear to the end, then start the cleanup and refinishing of all the hardware and bits I have since removed. With best regards, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:19:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5AC42706 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D84540042; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id p12so5560621vbe.25 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SO1QHvcTJEq75++/Nt1rgG70yBaFgUaafNMeYvzDFNk=; b=aHlw+mwrIVe2+Uzwfxhp5TeZCpBxenOEbLaotsNF6RMY/k8dIOlbMoKGRrxRU7CLDu sQ9tLaoMomVP52aYoCjb4xf0t9/yUGSZfWKaWfI5UrhXPQUW30oSFFj353JyFhN9j50i 6j6NSz9FbRsxW4UibZtMb93X6SrEU/4Ubod4XkaY94wrJpNJyvMXNTbABSaSY5IFEKiu T9sfqSbEf1Uz8B9bjpr6wjUOM0FEzLRIM4YVvZsIBm94sETggCGoZAWGNZ0Ww6RyUjqe iI5ajMpMfLSELOKobBJl3WVQRbN7GNbbYtSGw6+DHVue3pLR1ENE8Fup3s7I/zXEztKc K6Fg== d6mr2634684vcd.56.1369857408331; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:56:48 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Completed today's quest... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, As intended, I finished the top, outer side and bottom of the left middle-to-rear frame. Its now cleaned and primered from the scuttle hoop to the rear bumper mount. The inside of that rail, where the brake line and harness run, will be addressed next. And when everything is cleaned and primered, I'll put on a nice coat of chassis black. Here are a couple of pictures of the work, in progress. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_142054.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_142108.jpg In that second picture you can see a paper towel stuffed in the bushing opening, just to keep extra paint out of there. Here's another look. I'll put a jack stand under the axle and R&R the loop when next I get to the garage. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130529_142116.jpg And as the day's work concluded, I rolled the car aside, and swept up the debris. In the background is my E-Type. I rotate through the cars, as long as the weather is nice, keeping the batteries charged and the seals wet. I also try to never forget how lucky I am to have these cars. I have to say, those Whitworth tools are the second best shop tools I've ever bought. The first, without doubt, is those four casters under the car, allowing easy movement for cleanup. They are genius! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 03:56:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24734273C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 03:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A61403E0 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 03:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BAD7D700000B2 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mee002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mee002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.69]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6EE1CE000085 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:56 -0400 (EDT) To: mg-t@autox.team.net From: laf48@aol.com Received: from 96.239.93.8 by webmail-d184.sysops.aol.com (205.188.146.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 05:51:56 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1369907516; bh=d91llvbnHbXB/v1gtOHkGKiTpvHQaX5Brx4Rc32bMZo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=q3XuC+N+Pge+6KAKdKZXdhvq19DTtrg8M9VcETccmUHxU3qB3DCRINchWwHFbt29D r9jHJfPVvFpxekkT3A2nCCo7CHh03cEebMzPlRf9/lVoMDC9Rf9tRfjVz/zwPSrDeP IEJ2FYdKCKb63rcs2JTMGKWLPJ9+u0goq+fhEl6w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294851a7213c3549 Subject: [Mg-t] Roller Cams & Rocker Arms Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Group, I have roller lifter camshaft kits, 5 grinds from stock to race. More power with better drive ability than any other camshaft on the market. No cam, lifter wear.No ZDDP needed All made in USA.. A period correct upgrade. Roller rocker arms also. Len Fanelli Abingdon Performance 914 420 8699 ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive