From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 4 13:46:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143B642728 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFCC4042B; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 12so501517vbf.32 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8Cks1Ur1R9gh9+cTpl+iWqf0ykq+RAPjJuE+hYB+69w=; b=r33DAwZxo9CmR/xhSQ/VkhBEScTXmxaKQH5MzAhnKX4zdCZkEodhfdY7uXD+tCmpBP B0FY/JPGy3gdDSwJVkD+Jw8w+Lt3RUTHNb+E8/cPeyPLb5IFciZGnSGBNYGlPbt/InKy gd0frVm0fsiiOB/o8khor9mpltwpEvqWlzVV4/EFm7VlKdFdAlnBHmEl2dRZnl1gcZbq zD1T+WX3K0aFvTiPo7/UU9uMd4n6EYrA+FB+XMOjk/0gQab9RlRUSxKuYi/KzzbP1iDQ 7fyFKs28s4CBWfcyL5IoUmEBcNhRehtwaCIuGmLLVpLbEJrCiixTk8pu04AJvmxsVoxp Bc5Q== dn12mr2281633vdb.1.1370374591454; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:36:31 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] first spring reinstalled Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, This afternoon my TD's rubber parts arrived so I reassembled the left rear spring and installed it on new bushings. Here's how it looks now. ( The domain server has been intermittent today so if you get 'not found' errors, just try again. ) http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130604_135514e.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130604_135522e.jpg The handbrake cable attachment is temporary as I haven't yet rebuilt the slave cylinders or installed the rubber boots. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130604_135533e.jpg The suspension bolts at the bushings are just snugged up, not tight, awaiting the weight of the car on the suspension. When at the Ferrari factory a decade or so ago, I picked up on a tip the mechanics use there. Any nut or bolt that has been properly torqued, has a dab of red or yellow paint placed across the nut and threads, or the bolt head and the part. That way, (1) It is obvious which parts have been tightened/torqued, and (2) By observing the alignment of the paint dab, it is obvious if a nut or bolt has moved. For example, here is a look at one of the cam belt tensioners on my 308GTB, right after I replaced the belts. http://www.aubard.us/hvac/HPIM0086.JPG I'll do the same for the TD's suspension bolts, if perhaps a bit more subtly. The new brake pipes arrived too. They are from Moss and appear to be of top quality copper-nickel alloy. I have done nothing more than identify and inventory them. I believe that I will do a little more cleaning and refinishing before running pipes... http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130604_124652.jpg -rick PS: Black parts are really hard to photograph! ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 13:05:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD73342735 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail2.ecu.edu (mail2.ecu.edu [150.216.17.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931E24044C for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:02:21 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="266796645" Received: from unknown (HELO Hub1.intra.ecu.edu) ([150.216.17.188]) by ironport2.ecu.edu with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2013 14:57:46 -0400 Received: from MOE.intra.ecu.edu ([169.254.3.100]) by Hub1.intra.ecu.edu ([150.216.17.188]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:57:44 -0400 From: "Gable, Gerry" To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: TC Master Brake Thread-Index: Ac5iHph8Jzf2BqzHSR+D7/genmCL3A== Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:57:44 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [150.216.17.75] Subject: [Mg-t] TC Master Brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I have been comparing note on rebuild with another lister. He is working on a TD and cannot help. None of my reference material deals with rebuild of the Master Brake and I wondered if anyone on the list has any experience. Even Moss' catalog cut are not informative enough. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Gerry ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 17:39:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85DB40446 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5A8403E4 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 23:07:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.53] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 23:07:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2013 23:07:53 -0000 GWHHgYyub7B0cvK.F3Ht7LnCTzoYSDYYpHuLWv2DZF9cz9fWXQ9x5L8PNXzb 86tGOmvli8BL1Seyp3IVFVxRmIjE8LecjxZWw4Gqn1gxADXZ.LHW0pHIull2 V9gm8FBAMhk3nDFBSGrqWhUZxSGfa8A1OOkPcd3q6Mx4f8Y1xlBnknfRUloh lyODobtaWH7L2ogWMaVSaAvHPtG4TOhz615Wep1UQM_W9qoUpnCTU3ssU4X6 AXicbGry7JmJFAAk79axAP6aR.rGP53dQKJbPaaW10XQ63I.JIDffaFj4o7S Jop03aFXGMDYCcocdATzfFNkxwhzd1BWN2dX_1SyXdlrkW0acwQacwnhhSuJ mypx0hlQglswTYjsuK.bSrai.TZDIpqy3zEw2ALahSFpbCugDZrcBY3PRrT4 Dex8_p3XhdTdMzWHn5R7mgzoRLIevce80AQq2A.Z8V03PnQ-- smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jun 2013 16:07:52 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:07:52 -0500 To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] 165 vs 180 thermostat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The original style thermostat stuck closed in my TD. I discovered a 52 mm thermostat fits between the original housing and the curved pipe going into the engine. I found a NAPA THM 185 fits well and opens at 180 degrees (82 celcius). It seems to operate well- the gauge sits on the low end until the thermostat opens and then shoots up- eventually it reaches temp and stays there. It has a jiggle pin to let a little coolant and air through and I blocked off the bypass. I have since found a 160 degree as well ( Triton TT6-160 and Dayton DT15C. ) that might fit. Anyone know the original thermostat temp and what does everyone run? Can you tell the difference between a 160 and 180 from a running or comfort standpoint? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 19:14:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA5840408 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 19:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 87AD0403DB for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 19:03:21 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1370480322; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=i7l1FW20tboNkHZRGaOIabZrgoxkHLAGRL4a4cUJ6Gyb2WVbvV7GEtCDrK6uC16W+ nCyZXh5xFBk7KoCkuYMps7dc1yFKHtWNB+sNuxHuSaVWvqEcIKg68id2Z3ohOOMeta wQcmxWym2lxK4RGlo/AUsIFbNig7PVhULYKm3MxI= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ49ZWVAMNNDBS for (sender ); Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:56:46 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:56:46 GMT To: MIKE@DUVALLVIDEO.COM Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 165 vs 180 thermostat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net 75C was the original stat, which I believe is 160F.. Many prefer to run the engines at higher temps. My MGB is happy with a 190 stat, year round. It is thought that the 160 stat was warm enough for adequate engine operation, and low enough to keep alcohol antifreeze evaporation at acceptable amounts. As ethylene glycol antifreeze became the norm, stat temps increased. In 25F weather, or colder, the 75C stat may never open. The gauge is likely to indicate 60 or so. In cold weather, I cover the bottom part of the radiator slats with a canvas, adjusting to to raise the gauge to 75. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Duvall Video Productions To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] 165 vs 180 thermostat Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:07:52 -0500 The original style thermostat stuck closed in my TD. I discovered a 52 mm thermostat fits between the original housing and the curved pipe going into the engine. I found a NAPA THM 185 fits well and opens at 180 degrees (82 celcius). It seems to operate well- the gauge sits on the low end until the thermostat opens and then shoots up- eventually it reaches temp and stays there. It has a jiggle pin to let a little coolant and air through and I blocked off the bypass. I have since found a 160 degree as well ( Triton TT6-160 and Dayton DT15C. ) that might fit. Anyone know the original thermostat temp and what does everyone run? Can you tell the difference between a 160 and 180 from a running or comfort standpoint? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 06:52:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2D04032C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D3B40323 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:34:05 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=L7UjV5T/oK7qsrnJidNkYhpMua0tX+FzqvHt3gzYMQAD4Eqgg607NjBOgpgmrpio; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.80.77.138] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UkZJk-0001L7-Nx; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:29:24 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:29:24 -0700 References: To: "Gable, Gerry" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TC Master Brake Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Aside from outward appearance, the internals of the TC and the TD master cylinder are the same. Get hold of a MG TD/TF Factory Workshop manual. Has much information on the master cylinder, as well as the engine. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Gable, Gerry wrote: > I have been comparing note on rebuild with another lister. He is working on a > TD and cannot help. None of my reference material deals with rebuild of the > Master Brake and I wondered if anyone on the list has any experience. Even > Moss' catalog cut are not informative enough. Any help is greatly > appreciated. > Thanks > Gerry > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 07:23:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3784038C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:23:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B121B4006C for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:07:08 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pKeXptvESOENzjZaGTcgDiJqWeR3tp4j7q3Y/JK9bYt+gg3WZryurYPGteVvilaU; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.71.38.131] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UkZpi-0004jE-Eo; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:02:26 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:02:26 -0700 References: <536E2133-477E-43C4-B8F1-A9AD17835814@DUVALLVIDEO.COM> To: Duvall Video Productions Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 165 vs 180 thermostat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The 160 degree thermostat would be closer to factory original. If you have a heater for your car, you might want the 185 thermostat. The original bellows type would close off the by-pass opening, as the thermostat would open. You could block off the by-pass, or make a metal piece that fits between the housing and the by-pass elbow, with a small hole for water to pass through. That would duplicate the operation of the by-pass as to water flow, with the thermostat open. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jun 5, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: > The original style thermostat stuck closed in my TD. I discovered a 52 mm > thermostat fits between the original housing and the curved pipe going into > the engine. I found a NAPA THM 185 fits well and opens at 180 degrees (82 > celcius). > > It seems to operate well- the gauge sits on the low end until the thermostat > opens and then shoots up- eventually it reaches temp and stays there. It has > a jiggle pin to let a little coolant and air through and I blocked off the > bypass. > > I have since found a 160 degree as well ( Triton TT6-160 and Dayton DT15C. ) > that might fit. > > Anyone know the original thermostat temp and what does everyone run? Can you > tell the difference between a 160 and 180 from a running or comfort > standpoint? > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 08:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC7E40358 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE23740075 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.102] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 14:31:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370529117; bh=4ToLJwdJtNibOuRIK6pNJXadHSYQkwC/Y+JR3uSwxAk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=q0Y1BpKQPK4jgNslhv6EAxqQOf5vkNxBTMrW+KHCWvbIxOGs5Yc9iVMxpH5XOisjevl3pgWX8pfrlcVwkey/DDsRAgGSdl8Ysz+ZfxtLIh7dB8xXV27jfjSGl8bUVsZjQDjP0TBUDRahgMsLSoTYuB3m9XHAb9gC+ofBM+ziE68= Rp6r6w2BLl4xmy_ZugvzqUDBqUV.QzVUaBLqshxWu_wOzSlG7HukSnAUEZP2 xUqGpD7pH_tUq8OVhN82pVuV.IxNOdSwFFcaLsFsVKW3d49KCWjsJaE0aTiw 6x0B5j5a0phBaQ6KgNKUJEdGu3nDdMEJPUwNagz3.ivSfkAUJtuRhUzTxAC7 AUfqZRa5aB5tgMZIJMP7oawSLb1jlozIyrwfeSgyLID.MuN7g4mHtfQXOqkv FKouqbFPjk4HTm4HDSCLFIvONJJln5gQtYYRddfiuPKrepREYcqv7JIs05Yp UJd6tFSdHmzz7Aq4zAUywCjGqaDOC8A3sZEzm6NOQr34dy0CLS_pWJCfSxXs N6qsizODhN1sjSdzgLiyg7X8s.4x8_ncz02U4X.UOiiDBV5MQuI.eQuA6sdS z2D8LW9H6ork7n7MeF8J.0hJpnxxWNl.SfrGKwBDmWrBDPwHbWXtk2ZV9sw5 t smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jun 2013 07:31:57 -0700 PDT From: To: , Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:31:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5iwpSIPdhXug2tSHGkMLI8CWsQhQ== Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net This story starts with a trip to the dentist, doesn't every MG story start that way? For several years I have had a cheap set, Harbor Freight 6/$3.99 dental picks in my box that have proved very handy for small things, especially rebuilding SU carbs and electrical components. So on a recent visit for a checkup I inquired of the young lady what they did with their old tools. She responded that they re-sharpen them if they can, then they are discarded. I asked if they had any old ones around and if I might have a couple. Behold, when she gives my little bag with a new brush and floss there are a dozen used dental tools in it of all different sizes and thicknesses. I also keep a syringe(we have a goat that needs monthly shots) and one of those bulbs that they use to clean out newborn baby's noses in my toolbox. Very handy for sucking the last bit of fluid from the brake res, gas from the float bowl and adding just a little oil to the SU chamber tops. Would like to hear from the list what other 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. Open discussion, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 09:11:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC8E403C5 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc3-s1.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s1.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25540323; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU175-W23 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:57:09 -0700 From: Bob Mitchell To: "wbeech@flash.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:57:08 -0400 References: <930C7085AD5D4A4086CE0CEED1296F43@bboffice> FILETIME=[1E468DB0:01CE62C6] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net A cel phone and AAA membership! Seriously, CT MG Guru Bob Howard once brandished a tool that I believe he got from Steve Wincze, to pull out the broken remnant of the inevitable TD rear axle half-shaft breakdown. I thought that was pretty nifty, perhaps others may have a drawing. Blessedly, I never needed to see the thing again.Hurrah for Harbour Fright, as a model-builder, their 'oft less-than-robust tools are perfect for my miniature needs. Bob Mitchell'53 TD MKII'71 E-Type Series 2 OTS'87 Mercedes 560SL'05 Honda S2000 > From: wbeech@flash.net > To: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:31:53 -0500 > Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' > > This story starts with a trip to the dentist, doesn't every MG story start > that way? For several years I have had a cheap set, Harbor Freight 6/$3.99 > dental picks in my box that have proved very handy for small things, > especially rebuilding SU carbs and electrical components. So on a recent > visit for a checkup I inquired of the young lady what they did with their > old tools. She responded that they re-sharpen them if they can, then they > are discarded. I asked if they had any old ones around and if I might have a > couple. Behold, when she gives my little bag with a new brush and floss > there are a dozen used dental tools in it of all different sizes and > thicknesses. > > I also keep a syringe(we have a goat that needs monthly shots) and one of > those bulbs that they use to clean out newborn baby's noses in my toolbox. > Very handy for sucking the last bit of fluid from the brake res, gas from > the float bowl and adding just a little oil to the SU chamber tops. > > Would like to hear from the list what other 'Non-Tool tools' you have in > your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on > the Snap-On truck. > > Open discussion, > > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/skunk149@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 13:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB929403E4 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEB64035A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.203] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 68975 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370545438; bh=QsBZ77l2e7bKDMgXS1q35tM/xr8huMCrUxt5x6moUWo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aO1y97ruWL978nvSvmkzC0Evd32PCH3G9uFMCen/3mbfg8XuP55aK1lA1ZXM67Zff2SDqJTJ1XFZIAdQlw8TPZWil90aL9zDlzxm7g3o/IS3dPO0uEd9GAzSHSyb2a0gn6DDEcNcgMxtGRuwIoBwZwZTCU2Iajz+vek/z4iBSR8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f58aaHStY2tQXTQI18ekxN9HQklZ7DqMo2QWdIyTUTFmFIrgW90if0m2eE2EjhNEKYauQ4ZYqmb3uKLPXMFMEQbQhHG4NYDkSaO5XML62ldZlNpsB2NsqeUhwfUEoOPI5PeNkZy+YeozDL5aU71NHysaTIoNpIUExnzo/Tw93ZQ=; VAQoD1HBlreqtQ81gz30NyxO97S8eunKVyKnnu5uZyivI_1tibDRp7oXWzqp 9EgBfNsLN6ACv96tbqRbud_nelCPERhUY5QqJ.ZneQuPCbIPyYbOUIsPCZvi 9fu42NEwf_ag7.sqee1Nw7fVsnTVVckfWidUfEwN8fEsP1Uo6bNn9Sbpv4uv nqpGOqHv6nmvTMr9edwArQakAJehBLk5wgj71UWzYwPitNpne4NB6TV3DWqW Ckitd_a_QlxT_adfjrQINiWHcYvt6xLRTpICxDb83VSKaC.O39vwgNhOLCHe 8OW6ELNiyNAhiERfoBNJa5HdhYFA9cBgTakcP_XrLNDT.Dzhnip8Gh6jF6Qg 1E1HCblTYRNdC5uJMJC4HZXds0gWpZSznxUWbbamRybsfKy0vMlkEY7AVC8p A0aWbm9s3WSsmTbfn2zf81r6F_cpM4J0akhxon3QQRc8KhUBZFQLAnyJEcDz _iZ1T_ecIlJ_dH76quxD3R2ThNZmwOc3acshkqEjifeUevGrYeysOMQ-- Received: from [69.243.110.91] by web140903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:03:58 PDT DQpBbmQgaGVyZSBJIHRob3VnaHQgSSB3YXMgb2RkIHVzaW5nIG15IGZseS10eWluZyB0b29sa2l0Li4uLg0KDQoNCi0tLSBPbiBUaHUsIDYvNi8xMywgd2JlZWNoQGZsYXNoLm5ldCA8d2JlZWNoQGZsYXNoLm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCkZyb206IHdiZWVjaEBmbGFzaC5uZXQgPHdiZWVjaEBmbGFzaC5uZXQ.DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbTWctdF0gSG91c2Vob2xkIE1HICdUb29scycNClRvOiBtZy10QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0LCBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQNCkRhdGU6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBKdW5lIDYsIDIwMTMsIDEBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net, wbeech@flash.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net And here I thought I was odd using my fly-tying toolkit.... --- On Thu, 6/6/13, wbeech@flash.net wrote: From: wbeech@flash.net Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, June 6, 2013, 10:31 AM This story starts with a trip to the dentist, doesn't every MG story start that way? For several years I have had a cheap set, Harbor Freight 6/$3.99 dental picks in my box that have proved very handy for small things, especially rebuilding SU carbs and electrical components. So on a recent visit for a checkup I inquired of the young lady what they did with their old tools. She responded that they re-sharpen them if they can, then they are discarded. I asked if they had any old ones around and if I might have a couple. Behold, when she gives my little bag with a new brush and floss there are a dozen used dental tools in it of all different sizes and thicknesses. I also keep a syringe(we have a goat that needs monthly shots) and one of those bulbs that they use to clean out newborn baby's noses in my toolbox. Very handy for sucking the last bit of fluid from the brake res, gas from the float bowl and adding just a little oil to the SU chamber tops. Would like to hear from the list what other 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. Open discussion, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/s4usea@yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 18:31:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6166E4042C for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 18:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail.neurological.org.nz (unknown [120.136.2.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3458B4003F for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CORTEX.neuro.local ([fe80::3c1e:889c:6533:e841]) by CORTEX.neuro.local ([fe80::3c1e:889c:6533:e841%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:31:16 +1200 From: Douglas Ormrod To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' Thread-Index: Ac5iwpSIPdhXug2tSHGkMLI8CWsQhQAbLOggACnzIUA= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 23:31:15 +0000 References: <930C7085AD5D4A4086CE0CEED1296F43@bboffice> Accept-Language: en-NZ, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.2] Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I have a selection of locking artery forceps from my days as a rat surgeon. All sorts of uses - clamping off pipes, holding small nuts in tight spaces, fishing out small parts that have dropped into inaccessible places, holding electrical cable while soldering - and especially pulling the pin-bones out of salmon, I keep a separate pair for that! They take a lot of bending without breaking, Cheers Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 2:32 a.m. To: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' This story starts with a trip to the dentist, doesn't every MG story start that way? For several years I have had a cheap set, Harbor Freight 6/$3.99 dental picks in my box that have proved very handy for small things, especially rebuilding SU carbs and electrical components. So on a recent visit for a checkup I inquired of the young lady what they did with their old tools. She responded that they re-sharpen them if they can, then they are discarded. I asked if they had any old ones around and if I might have a couple. Behold, when she gives my little bag with a new brush and floss there are a dozen used dental tools in it of all different sizes and thicknesses. I also keep a syringe(we have a goat that needs monthly shots) and one of those bulbs that they use to clean out newborn baby's noses in my toolbox. Very handy for sucking the last bit of fluid from the brake res, gas from the float bowl and adding just a little oil to the SU chamber tops. Would like to hear from the list what other 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. Open discussion, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod@neurological.org.nz ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 7 20:02:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C9A40524 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A96403D8 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 835F570000087; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ddd003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-ddd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.52.201]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4502AE000085; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:07:04 -0400 (EDT) References: <930C7085AD5D4A4086CE0CEED1296F43@bboffice> To: Douglas.Ormrod@Neurological.org.nz, mg-t@autox.team.net From: bmcspares@aol.com Received: from 174.26.106.60 by webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.172) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:07:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:07:04 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1370653624; bh=qXfQ32siWzhp6jArrhx4oyp6uEsue97v+k781H8XTVU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hn6ApiV0CgaEOsPyYEJJfgQR0z/14CKaxg/heVkHmH3oCru4+yixelidfie5T7p4Y KcFrgckvsJFp0z+7V2Mw9t3vs7cVJ/40rOgMUSDQS8P5d8pMs4AGcCUGji3ErrCYrF 9tU/m4exwprllkcRSf8op3MWSjvXxCnS5s0OC9kc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c51b283b80a68 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net On the MGB's the later ones in particular, the headlamp ring is nearly impossible to remove with most tools. In the shop one found that the bottle opener/paint can lid opener from the hardware store hooks the rim and having a ring for the finger to fit through you can gently pry a stuck rim off with out damage. Jon Nyhus -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Ormrod To: mg-t Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 5:26 pm Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' I have a selection of locking artery forceps from my days as a rat surgeon. All sorts of uses - clamping off pipes, holding small nuts in tight spaces, fishing out small parts that have dropped into inaccessible places, holding electrical cable while soldering - and especially pulling the pin-bones out of salmon, I keep a separate pair for that! They take a lot of bending without breaking, Cheers Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 2:32 a.m. To: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Household MG 'Tools' This story starts with a trip to the dentist, doesn't every MG story start that way? For several years I have had a cheap set, Harbor Freight 6/$3.99 dental picks in my box that have proved very handy for small things, especially rebuilding SU carbs and electrical components. So on a recent visit for a checkup I inquired of the young lady what they did with their old tools. She responded that they re-sharpen them if they can, then they are discarded. I asked if they had any old ones around and if I might have a couple. Behold, when she gives my little bag with a new brush and floss there are a dozen used dental tools in it of all different sizes and thicknesses. I also keep a syringe(we have a goat that needs monthly shots) and one of those bulbs that they use to clean out newborn baby's noses in my toolbox. Very handy for sucking the last bit of fluid from the brake res, gas from the float bowl and adding just a little oil to the SU chamber tops. Would like to hear from the list what other 'Non-Tool tools' you have in your shop that have proved handy over the years. Things you don't find on the Snap-On truck. Open discussion, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod@neurological.org.nz ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/bmcspares@aol.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 8 15:30:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E547740545 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51C840541; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hz10so3627495vcb.10 for ; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E/wQNJJi5YVrcBSFjG8JrkAc/ZhrTywll2X8xT2tiy4=; b=kay2hWDO8mHCKte5INrfYFgmGxz5QL74791duJlMP4tfmCpTtKAJFiZCOIPkKWNTnU 9/d6qEZc4jHkmCZEvOiRNT7hpdx8pkePVs0Pqu5f2rL5h57mmGXjUmvQXW/sv0wXbPSZ LoJ0b4UvsZeEcN2qMtXn976Jfp2m4fMZQXYLPbWQwg3CR8ngOggKqMOG5PtJhYK3juAP tHSd/nJHi4BkzrAyzvqtwO6bxMJCwlyFEGwFrInbPib7psi8u8BQ9uf9UuCc7Z0qkI1j biGgltsCGO4tznJSxfLp93mgqNuAd4aQmpSU5O7Glxst9Y6Rjy9Q8whv0wXtKgM6rzPW NCzA== dq8mr2146583veb.49.1370726722894; Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:25:22 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] TD project back on line... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Sorry to leave such a hiatus in the ongoing TD rebuild story. My internet connection, via AT&T U-verse failed (noisy incoming line). And since the MGS and MG-T lists require 'simple text format' AND my portable devices can only send 'rich formatting', I've been in read-only mode. That doesn't mean that I haven't been in the garage! Here's an update. When last I wrote, I had cleaned, degreased and refinished about 40% of the TD's frame and rear suspension. I have now completed everything from the hoop back, except the right-rear spring. Here's about where the story left off, right after removing the spring. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130605_123025.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130605_123037.jpg A day or so I started work on this corner. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130605_123043.jpg While other things were going on, I painted the exhaust with the high-heat paint. Hopefully it will be reusable. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130605_123057.jpg Here's how the frame looked after the cleaning, degreasing and painting. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130607_093249.jpg A day later I installed the first of the new brake lines. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130607_125952.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130607_130003.jpg The offset around the strap should clear the side-curtain box, but I will be quite careful when lowering the tub onto the chassis. If its too close, I'll reshape the brake line. Here's how the chassis sits today. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130607_130021.jpg I was planning work in the garage today but since I cleaned the bench up nicely yesterday, I decided to take a day off. Well, that and the realization that the next two jobs are quite dirty. First of all, I need to rebuild the spring. That means taking it all apart, sanding the leaves, primering and painting, That's the dirty bit. I'll then reassemble it with new rubber bits and bolt it up to the frame on new bushings. The next quest is the cleanup and refinishing of the dampers. They are heavily coated in grimy dirt. I have, however, run them through compression and rebound and they work smoothly, exerting more resistance in compression, just as designed. Perhaps tomorrow I'll get at least one of them refurbished. Fortunately, I have a nice, new bottle of Moss shock oil. Glad to be back, Friends. Happy Saturday. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 09:02:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559FF40438 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7333D40329 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ht10so347424vcb.18 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=S2qJUPhol7k/aew1UUQRSGYJOCS452NT8d20msRljMY=; b=bG1oqmafUVRBj6Njy0sUgTCWH/CZqpRaI7r+YKDEURFAY1sd/QKumRs17xKSHnrI2R nw6ndrO2fh8pl7cR+ot1Vp4hT5ykeaLY9jTBohGvFm1L6/ypWdtllE7cufko1s1Jv1Zd EI2ZoOku/GPCnP0QvaXXmb+0GlM4axqtkuh+c8Nc52kF8sSlnWxUfz4WOIJjNfDqEd7i JhWTnb65Ol/5wsRUyeXsHHEwCjJXOp+gE4hPmzsHQYeB6BSE3gt+hbcMPavLtK+ui+Bb kMlGl0r9ZkEpbuNwVRTje1so/U//WfDP/Qx+NwAlrmjglw747FgUNL8x5CSpRiiIJk+7 ScmA== dq8mr3471426veb.49.1370789850162; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:57:30 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Somewhere between the schematic and the harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, In all my scrounging around on the Internet, I have not been able to find a diagram of the TD's wiring harness layout and connectivity. These drawings are common for other British vehicles. I just can't find one for THIS car. Let me explain what I'm talking about. The TD's wiring is quite simple and schematics are in the workshop manual. Harnesses are available from Moss, etc., and they are of high quality. What is missing is a sketch of the harness routing and the breakouts from the harness, indicating which color-code of wires go to which lugs of the various components. And yes, one can work this out pretty easily given the schematic and snapshots taken before disassembly. But I think a simple, easy guide would benefit our community. If you have one (Bud?), or know of one, please share the reference. Otherwise, I will make one as I plan my car's rewiring, and share it with the T-Series community. -rick. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 11:25:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012E64042D for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (mail-ve0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68B9403D5 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d10so4170050vea.38 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=n0E0WUggtDotyIkrPSr5CDuxYE5ZCODqz2eUL+CI6wM=; b=dXvXfNyWHaVfisnVutANeLH5hex4s5k1mIXSsisTQTeUBdx8yv42y6ZyXume/+F6dA BfqocAS8h09BP9qTavbMZpE+jLR/S0v12K4Xn3fleu53Npq4t2sLmVEpMZh72LcRwxU2 n5XsSQq4DadQ8WhAn6VwQ73MS/FbgBr52hcNeL3TkgxFjvgPWjVWkEwpg4a5uWwEZcLg o5h30z8oKd0oUJtF7SyoAvDW8oZKiZ6FbQ5Y86DK0xQE3hVwaetzS8a/+OSRBfsfDs7P XGF5+gyRIyC5kpekWcXuOI99kANiueXJYqknRRcMV90Ab+jDZZ6kL+vPRm12LOZJhbmA Kx8w== r11mr3175397vdt.93.1370798254787; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.78] (adsl-99-109-18-7.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net. [99.109.18.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id at19sm7008965vdc.10.2013.06.09.10.17.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Tuck Southworth Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 13:17:32 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Somewhere between the schematic and the harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I'm guessing this might be after the fact but when I replaced the wire harness on my TF I snipped off all but about two inches of old wire from each connection. I used what I left in place as a guide when I installed the new harness. It's pretty straight forward and as you noted having reference photos makes routing the various breakouts fairly simple. Tuck Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > In all my scrounging around on the Internet, I have not been able to > find a diagram of the TD's wiring harness layout and connectivity. > These drawings are common for other British vehicles. I just can't > find one for THIS car. Let me explain what I'm talking about. > > The TD's wiring is quite simple and schematics are in the workshop > manual. Harnesses are available from Moss, etc., and they are of high > quality. What is missing is a sketch of the harness routing and the > breakouts from the harness, indicating which color-code of wires go to > which lugs of the various components. And yes, one can work this out > pretty easily given the schematic and snapshots taken before > disassembly. But I think a simple, easy guide would benefit our > community. If you have one (Bud?), or know of one, please share the > reference. Otherwise, I will make one as I plan my car's rewiring, > and share it with the T-Series community. > > -rick. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tuck.southworth@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 9 11:59:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166CA4044C for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2743840426 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mHu01l0021HzFnQ5FHuSrP; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:54:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.229.243.26]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mHuR1l00U0atUmS3aHuRYo; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:54:26 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:54:33 -0400 From: Bud Krueger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Richard Lindsay , mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1370800466; bh=Q1DRX6/y/PJVX98dsoYQPOX152Cl4ZaC66xq5+NgwRk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=H0UeIruXUOHO5KcmFklGOWrqG/1blKQ+8BBfWAXqrAREtLeJA3Rt+6bocUFbu3eSQ NafU6ETwOv4JMor8f4+bbHdRT4bUnx2owIMm9G/Chf5YUGDds249j5diKpVI1u0j6z Em4ey7GyHfElC0z1kJ0feHS1fegQYt0LFr2V+t++fjaF+737PuAzzagp3i/SX5/lix w0Per9XWGl8BCvbYNB1dXR7IEoM2aHmm6G7qn+ibPEvWYTIRXlS2yluI1mzDhMHjAz xyKyzxkE7qI47UbdFmNnVgvKEtyeXfOmHKUDFnRSiwKtQ7GQYodAnDe6wPdrEzlIIp wbVtVTQMHTE9g== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Somewhere between the schematic and the harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I suspect that such a wiring harness layout diagram is uncommon is because of the simplicity, and consistency, of the TD's wiring. Observance of the wiring color code is all that you really need. Just take the wiring harness and lay it out on the floor. You can picture the components along the chassis and, if you look at the wiring color code, you can readily pinpoint what goes where. Very few wires aren't specified, e.g., the wire from the coil to the distributor and the power lead for the clock. The sub-harness for the rear wiring identifies itself by its colors. The only one that really causes a second OSH is the dash harness, but after a bit even it becomes obvious. Just give it a try, Bud Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > In all my scrounging around on the Internet, I have not been able to > find a diagram of the TD's wiring harness layout and connectivity. > These drawings are common for other British vehicles. I just can't > find one for THIS car. Let me explain what I'm talking about. > > The TD's wiring is quite simple and schematics are in the workshop > manual. Harnesses are available from Moss, etc., and they are of high > quality. What is missing is a sketch of the harness routing and the > breakouts from the harness, indicating which color-code of wires go to > which lugs of the various components. And yes, one can work this out > pretty easily given the schematic and snapshots taken before > disassembly. But I think a simple, easy guide would benefit our > community. If you have one (Bud?), or know of one, please share the > reference. Otherwise, I will make one as I plan my car's rewiring, > and share it with the T-Series community. > > -rick. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 16:10:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0684043E for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C354041A; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id gd11so1975764vcb.16 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kJZQ3CgkvrC3BZWzZ6xUxIpNA9cUpNgu6uqrNd1K88k=; b=e7FiKJdvhKIV633V+HeQpr9ObfrEQDRWpjKF6xFXmKvUy4yZAgjB3o2WaqIUTvkLFb aoAuyu2pDbeZcky6KNHFEFPWnZA/MILVYnBx+MofjzeZvV3yjCcD1U076zcJuflIAQ+x VfE27OnQ3E96u8ZRSvKzSj2gnQWVIGNtPWg26dpvaBf/Rmiou80iBABth0Pht1wdQKCe tSzuHrogSwia5zs/JxZ7CYcRO02QngiapOvPgqL3BlYTmcY7aw7EMYO+1rc1RwLDlBfv cmVomjq9PV+Lb1VRfuWm6YCzVdYl1FDpbdX3pind5a0cFvDfVLIp4tnE/AfCZ+O6d0jS iCog== e6mr6903465veo.30.1370901713813; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:01:53 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] As promised Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I finished the rear brake plumbing and have a few pictures to share. Here they are. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_161409.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_161423.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_161436.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_161501.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_161524.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_161534.jpg And you know I'm a physicist (read: geek) but in case your opinion has atrophied, here's renewed proof: I think this is just beautiful. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130610_162644.jpg -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 07:18:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958A240531 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A14042E; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id m1so7799411ves.28 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/fjTHEZQmlbG/y78XBKxukeBmqqe+RsY5l8jDptQbkc=; b=0lBns0tU8VJekbRMZFL2hjH4azjIPnpqAT8RjPc8cDiu6L32Cns8eNUVjDGbTyDsj9 GYTVmpbXAVBEJu/8W16XbNMd3IdxXq5QqFIphBKwa9kRJ2CJgiyEtSBUqs89U51Fr3q2 5Fo+rdVdJULWXDIk9tkxdxU5CLDdDsPn1prxHEPjoElWGw2wPRkXkuuEAIOJ5d001gVD r7pS3MRI8R4/6mqC+K8Hjs1okao1237dRRA88f8x1ezdlael2mSwxJVA4/RPrIYvlXyT B84rHy5bwDvFZvkMtCg2ytdF9ej4VbohYH7bKLy0kJsuM0fk1FP+rY/aG2raQwNN6oeI C/fw== Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:07:11 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Out with the old... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Out with the old... http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130613_074409.jpg In with the new... http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130613_074431.jpg Well, not 'in' yet, per se. But almost ready. The metal floor pan is now being sanded and refinished. The wood will be painted with Minwax Wood Hardener then painted black, and the metal pan installed. Bonus question: What classic British car has a boot large enough to carry TD floorboards?! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 08:20:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF0C40528 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B534E40446 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nmfg1l0021ZXKqc51qAou4; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:10:48 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nqAo1l0092xV5no3hqAoxT; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:10:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:10:48 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: mg-t@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1371132648; bh=e24lbnbPYxkcOoGRIFy242joMbUXE8HEwTaX7k9zQDQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=I/jibgkOg9cQwsDkzgiJDejcT7Do9cBHriW7c5QZ+E1q87C/82O7/IM27ftHC5izN RYg+eSpBNcyUNcwR9BF6pPC8Nqug/PFfVJTKm1NUD+4MrsA/6ViWkTSkkvdWwxl54C 73YWXmUFBsU46BpUacUEgdhFi6BFgs5eRYpWf3LAbSQnA4iphvU8fzBHs5D5WR8IMF g8Xdi3WUuPpgimn9Rl+a7qbroXEvx/UnDkX3cZ1g9fCF6zWf/cYW8e1DL7pc6lvNWM vv8fm99/ubZizsE5jlPL9zgFS2a4+5/DQ6o7JGqvBNjhSVZvVODAno3e5qNhAWUJ0I 7XWK+PUKNFpXA== Subject: [Mg-t] water pump rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net List, Who are the recommended rebuilders for T series water pumps? TIA, Ed Woods ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 09:52:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990D140524 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C091440322 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 12so3575118vbf.22 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=U9cpZF4d4CVUkQhksLgDmxohleKzbHmQ0ezxl4fYkE0=; b=CqvoKxTkr1R2KXxDpu1zrvRk6Zuma42/EFuTmpXQ8GJmQ++dr3Qzyzrg0AyYmNon6B y1gUngwtx/WHBnVxRvd7URCHEYK7jTvpNqjoxmUOel86BUeyFxmeQW6Fkzwe8ONIkKk5 ueS7+fsjXEHao8E8q3dzOtfL5rXM8L2GNxpEkY99ZzajJK91j1z4tN4UMiiGRS56xrWp U3BAfaRRwxGCE0B5f/qivDmof+jixua2PG3oQ5sFQWF+9ai5bpECo/9eMhOM1T/OyODg HkrkeIpOEMvwNXxvCl/wxCMD15owaF1OVmVH2o5htXmOyLDxOuvl9BNpdcfY+F0iGJkp Ta+A== Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (108-218-54-124.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net. [108.218.54.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm16542230vev.1.2013.06.13.08.46.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <1197711286.327770.1371132648079.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: Tuck Southworth Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:46:08 -0400 To: "fogbro1@comcast.net" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] water pump rebuilding Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I had mine rebuilt by Phil Marino who adds a sealed bearing to the design. I would have said he's the goto guy but understand he is no longer in business (can anyone confirm??) and that Butch Taras has taken over and supplies the same redesigned pump. Butch can be reached at mgowner@yahoo.com Tuck Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:10 AM, fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > List, > > > > Who are the recommended rebuilders for T series water pumps? > > > > TIA, > > > > Ed Woods > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tuck.southworth@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 15:35:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25E9428A8 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2684003E; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:32:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so8026876veb.39 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tX3AaFajDmaAvWPAFp7G+rFUZx0w+WePVwe7p18B+Yo=; b=mf9qPh6wR5+xJf1C4uY0lXsWJ3U6HmKxqboMoSZeqmoaVtx0NWamSRdI5n6ws3z/1T GGVadJNSgBu04oUzkiOfue5cJUVCpy4DCHKWfvKeI2VXYCK7vM49clnrMeI905DkDBUZ pqG8amAMSE16h6o7eXAoTrF32PrViehjA0qwTagLnNp53DGpNwLmFG6sTPSs+5jd/mSY 762U50IqJslQEtJdIDbbtSgmA2TwcuVQQl3daLggJFebqVXxE2y4BJJe4cctIUgwETu3 lO2Ours00ODmfh9KKMQePnXkUS+QWTUycMKKIk7ckjAfh9SCWj+XqsWzTznTAK3ozpyr sEwg== Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:27:09 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty thermostat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Friends, The XPAG thermostat is a different beast, as we all know. I'd like to save mine if possible - if for no other reason, to avoid the high cost of a new one! Right now at an ambient temperature of 98 degrees F, it is stuck open. Yea, its freekin' hot in Houston! Anyway, the unit is also rusty. Please tell me if there is a compound in which I can soak the thermostat to clean away the rusty deposits and perhaps make it serviceable again. Thanks. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 17:06:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64EA430C4 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C594275B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2013 21:43:50 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.64] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2013 21:43:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp221.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2013 21:43:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1371159830; bh=dGuWZj/1TtsGSwj+bIt+rALJTOUtbAggNDbzxlj83QM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=OWoK9fX28w2i1G6G738Ua9CTuoeA8Om6xPTMQzXVhWMc9BlKHHhbgQ7fi1jMsqXhZ1R+zD6kvje3j4L6Hgndj61u+baDK+1uPhIkL3uQjlLwf6pU0yRyzvp2PYWdmYcyrqxxejaWWGcxqLcbYLjGwhO3nvZUI5zL1CC5nEPVYFo= ukAUnl1__RnZUY4vfIpfcXGJFbcdK_cnf1alm3nfy7Jck5I81ovQjs8mh6Ir ui9Bk4uaiYntX691rDmFK5Age2nlKx3FmuQXJ1Ndg06Ocs2qaXhQKVcGIBCp MtqR5VXs6DsgqhCyLF6ulVg_CP2xOVNHUabBdeIHUjQmcSt7UqfoWv760QA4 zTQT3brcGQmaAU5dgZCcJFrNAR5IhGzXtnfxXJAgb5NBNKXPf8w2Zb6iykrh 2nOO1ji4ykGGnEuby.C1XRGphtnEHjr5T6MwHtAueE2cAs.D_bfFwjTA8qt0 tCvva20I0Emz3sfazNxxQgRwS1mLfAep7Tem9X8DV60AzWWb5VEqIYXxElbG mRsBSlW1Mao1tDR_QUUiC50ZBk.4GFDOLrVr5xOck5fWQJ_gIFAjsdYZnx2w DaIsRl2V41UvM2eijQKxXtJV0.YqKkWlJ5OTzFQD8bURCRv60dJnWzGuRABF 5tdIJiZqLwN7a smtp221.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2013 21:43:50 +0000 UTC References: From: Gene Gillam Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:43:48 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rusty thermostat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Try white vinegar...but not for too long. Gene Pardon the brevity, this was sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 16:27, Richard Lindsay wrote: Hey Friends, The XPAG thermostat is a different beast, as we all know. I'd like to save mine if possible - if for no other reason, to avoid the high cost of a new one! Right now at an ambient temperature of 98 degrees F, it is stuck open. Yea, its freekin' hot in Houston! Anyway, the unit is also rusty. Please tell me if there is a compound in which I can soak the thermostat to clean away the rusty deposits and perhaps make it serviceable again. Thanks. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/anngene@bellsouth.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 13 17:08:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883CF430E5 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E81642761 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:49:55 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1371159874; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=QqLba0M0BoQh+fZEjrjlnuMI6HbviHQbvEr39bH3HgRIE+4foFkJCoPd2ncLJw7vm UvGh2OQPuSEYL7JRajLtoKUg3glNxWgYpcKlt8JNWcvXX2bIsfVwEf6H5XG3LrkHxM xqqOMV0xSfPEjCyl4K7n0hza1WpAhDCwYOlPJdpQ= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ5WRKZA7F69L2 for (sender ); Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:43:18 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:43:18 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Rusty thermostat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Try soaking in Citric Acid solution. Powdered citric acid is used when canning low-acid tomatoes, and it's in the Ball-jar section of TruVal hardware stores, probably in the grocery store too. I used it to remove some light rust accumulation of TD bolts. CocaCola would be a milder acid. Stronger acid is Muriatic Acid. It's in the swimming pool section of hardware stores. The trick is to eat away the rust w/o eating away the brass and copper. In a recent issue of Totally T Type was an article by a guy who used it to clean the rust from the block of an MG, and he said that he planned to use a weaker solution in his radiator. He must know a lot more about Chemistry than I do..... I found the citric acid to work on the rust of TD bolts, but muriatic worked so much faster that it's what I have been using recently.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Rusty thermostat Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:27:09 -0500 Hey Friends, The XPAG thermostat is a different beast, as we all know. I'd like to save mine if possible - if for no other reason, to avoid the high cost of a new one! Right now at an ambient temperature of 98 degrees F, it is stuck open. Yea, its freekin' hot in Houston! Anyway, the unit is also rusty. Please tell me if there is a compound in which I can soak the thermostat to clean away the rusty deposits and perhaps make it serviceable again. Thanks. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 14 19:12:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C687A42781 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (unknown [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9C04006F for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id id13so865866vcb.41 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:02:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nEvyiC0g9f3ukxfrpn8swr7vudXMXrBqWyGlW+MlHIA=; b=hI1N3Q2kLYqB3jwGcgZmRYUB+mHwQUwiENLWl8XotPgviFs6nCbBQQ3cCi+3Ms7kp8 bQBVFPN/ARLEWk5WvDg1K8+Es0K9ZvIsj6c4Dc28xOkxI6GM0OAX3Gupb80jmz/HdV63 QpBgb7+Vcw2gKYP2D6kj1mxq8hFp0Re+umZ8Ij1GdQtPMQwl8eqyAvz1HF5iie7v8Kti r1L14QvKy7818l33fVlosdUDYKlJZvWzHPtKGJCWyZmw9/+gIHtV0KFRY3Ye8Hz0si4+ S39pcg0x6g+Dl5qlmN/iirT9UrprLNBZkwiWm63gFn+F23BgrtNz9A26ck2JP7KeHVep XX7g== ds1mr1111537vdb.87.1371233637599; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:13:57 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] OT , tablet test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Please excuse this test. I'm trying to make my tablet send e-mail as simple ASCII text. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 08:38:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F42A40548 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA0F40453 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id db10so1157856veb.26 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6tbFc3MjAOiA5ZwUthMfJP5vdIoxMut+zPQT396fTwg=; b=sN26RJwv2vAMGfbBlmgrlBmw4DuftkHd9XpXm4ox6Nw0qakYUKACgZ2TmP2KsMsvBL 59J51iaSBXbYWM2yGX9yLHNALlyFv8t3AeViWh57WBOmQU6UFQxctM3LCXK6F3VjAu49 I3ZAavwD08QoYUFLGVxZLcRs7CRuyEjNI463XHQ2Ho/H25FNKryHbHRJMX84b0ETXxhF AtuaDiRuSstX1goXopfJc8Y4hbsgBD7Q0XXZ0TBCB5dgFSpaYood+wNFN+upE+5Rhw4/ B4hxw0jm7AvaJelrJr5bU3uVW0vQMqf2h3FDwgGkr+WpUJCO8NDS7ZLQzdUebl2AwZof EhsQ== v16mr1335180vci.76.1371306982327; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:36:22 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Thermostat replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, My '53 M.G.TD's thermostat is stuck open. Even after 12 hours soaking in vinegar, soaking in hot water for a while, and a couple of hours in the freezer (e.g. exercising through extremes) the thermostat diaphragms do not move. Yes, I can force the diaphragm a little toward the shut position, after time in the freezer. It feels like the 'frozen' diaphragm mechanism is just corroded and stuck. So the questions are: 1. Should I continue to try to exercise the diaphragm through temperature extremes? 2. Should I gut the thermostat and use the 160 degree F, 2" conventional unit between the angle fitting and the old thermostat? 3. Should I buy a new 'correct' thermostat? Mind you, I am not building a show car, nor am I building a daily driver. I'm building a car to play with on the weekends when the weather allows. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 09:47:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41464040F for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F72403D8 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cypress ([86.8.152.135]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id ofjt1l0062vXtG601fjtuB; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:43:53 +0100 a=h9kn-7cr7lEA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=LAZBX3XWK6AA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hyQyJj-tQiYxfZvsTMsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PwYPgAp4zzY326Yfju+9Og==:117 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "Richard Lindsay" , References: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:43:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Thermostat replacement Solution. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, Thats a no brainer - action sequence is :- 1, for a short time just to make you happy and content that at least you tried, followed immediately by either 2. or 3. selected most easily by just flipping a coin. Best Regards, Clive Oxford, UK = =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lindsay" To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: [Mg-t] Thermostat replacement > Hello Friends, > > My '53 M.G.TD's thermostat is stuck open. Even after 12 hours soaking > in vinegar, soaking in hot water for a while, and a couple of hours in > the freezer (e.g. exercising through extremes) the thermostat > diaphragms do not move. Yes, I can force the diaphragm a little > toward the shut position, after time in the freezer. It feels like > the 'frozen' diaphragm mechanism is just corroded and stuck. > > So the questions are: > > 1. Should I continue to try to exercise the diaphragm through > temperature extremes? > > 2. Should I gut the thermostat and use the 160 degree F, 2" > conventional unit between the angle fitting and the old thermostat? > > 3. Should I buy a new 'correct' thermostat? > > Mind you, I am not building a show car, nor am I building a daily > driver. I'm building a car to play with on the weekends when the > weather allows. > > -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 10:01:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852944052E for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2683403D8 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:57:25 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NwBTG7ZCYsk19HQ00i30uut0ROhbhVT+ztdCD2vGdB1O6/4spcADE2MLi/wh9wYC; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.186.192.7] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Unspp-0003NZ-SL; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:56:14 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:56:13 -0700 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Thermostat replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I found this while doing a search. Jim Otto - Fulton Sylphon Bellows Engineer SYLENGR@aol.com 865-966-9494 10700 Alameda Drive Knoxville, TN 37932 Have not had any work done with Jim, but he says that he can rebuild the bellows thermostats. I had sent him an inquiry about his supplying replacement bellows units, but did not hear back on that request. Maybe he can rebuild, based on components being there, but cannot supply missing components. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jun 15, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > My '53 M.G.TD's thermostat is stuck open. Even after 12 hours soaking > in vinegar, soaking in hot water for a while, and a couple of hours in > the freezer (e.g. exercising through extremes) the thermostat > diaphragms do not move. Yes, I can force the diaphragm a little > toward the shut position, after time in the freezer. It feels like > the 'frozen' diaphragm mechanism is just corroded and stuck. > > So the questions are: > > 1. Should I continue to try to exercise the diaphragm through > temperature extremes? > > 2. Should I gut the thermostat and use the 160 degree F, 2" > conventional unit between the angle fitting and the old thermostat? > > 3. Should I buy a new 'correct' thermostat? > > Mind you, I am not building a show car, nor am I building a daily > driver. I'm building a car to play with on the weekends when the > weather allows. > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 15 11:06:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921394042E for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B214540405; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gf11so1157734vcb.11 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ow0vloo84ruJviA2AZYWObrVCT1I3GFjFmMKtqHKpuM=; b=WsRoLiUZRaa52CSnmA3mqKg4sdHTxkzhWiERqNla4grQClJW+pf3k16WCg4Z7Ry5oN 4O5RMG2mlhkCkbP6Jk7FRQnmVpL73HxUa6tYH9JbUzMz1tSzNyC+zJJNV4IFvSk6tHDD ymsjxwWZ/OQqikob238ek+ob+ccXI7voqm7YbCtmch//03z0rjbFV7OWgny4JlKrVYGo cOxdOjY/fqzoSfbesJtfjpwZYXGZzBQ+7Dr5sbMOdLQE1z2jbZ/Jop0eLb58TuUu5O75 LNBj7+8Z6V/cjkFJmOhlfNpoZvnEtgvIEHX5d/SaAY7gEQ/mMoxIvEir4qmsqZcJmPWu 1S9w== ci4mr2453434vcb.65.1371315896525; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:04:56 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Thermostat, cont. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I have given my TD's thermostat ample opportunity to impress me but alas, it has thumbed its non-op nose at me. I now look for other options. But until then, here are some pictures to document the journey. Here's how the thermostat looked back in May, right after removing the radiator. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130514_093939.jpg Following the advice of the kind MG-T List members here, I soaked the thermostat in vinegar for 12 hours or so and that removed A LOT of corrosion. Here's how it looked at the end of 12 hours, still in the vinegar. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130615_075752.jpg Obviously, a lot of crud came out of the unit! After washing with soap and warm water, this is how it looked (still a little damp). http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130615_080235.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130615_080243.jpg I poured boiling water into the thermostat with it resting in a plastic jar. After that soak, and no obvious diaphragm movement, I put the dried off unit in the freezer where it lived overnight. Nancy was not amused. Here's how it looked fresh from the meat locker this morning, but I could press the disk closed a little. There was movement. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130615_105540.jpg Its now resting in boiling water again, and the diaphragm is open, as it should be. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130615_112823.jpg Obviously, crud is still coming out! At this point, I think I am going to un-solder the diaphragm disk and see of I can mechanically clean the movement. I'm not above disassembling the whole thing in the hopes of a repair. Worst I can do is trash it completely and either use a conventional element below it or order a replacement at $130usd. The best result might even surprise even the doubters here. :-) On another front, I visited my local Ace Hardware yesterday and bought two rubber stoppers to fit in the fuel tank outlet and drain holes. I now need to make a blanking plate for the sender port. Once all that's done, I can add the Marine-Clean to the tank and start the swamping-out process. Starting next week, I will be visiting my great friend, Rui Gigante, in Porto Portugal. Rui is a Ferrari guy like me, but he also has an M.G. addiction. With a beautifully restored '60 MGA in the garage, he has now turned his attention to a modified B-GT to use as a daily driver. That car started from totally-dead, just the way I like to start projects. :-P There's great fun in bringing them back to life! I look forward to seeing all the progress he's made on that project - and driving his 328GTS! :-P And while totally OT, have any of you seen the new Alfa C4? It looks way-cool but for the same money, I think the Porsche Cayman is a better deal: That's reliability speaking, not art. Happy Saturday! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 05:34:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014B240421 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A434038B for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id pb11so1994085veb.9 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:30:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NK527Z3HE/3r6UcIARcRn1QAlm66o/FiZZt7GTZvj1g=; b=aH6osDdm1MyUNzEE85T2ue3u2cQqGKc+9jK8Ljno4kq3vyVvV/Sfy0tWA2HKlnDc5/ GIjxX/orJGLNBCMWtuO0lu83oU2w1QrGhjaFg/E0xjF9yFVOwHbKgAjt1427e9J9s/rH GPuxya1JnCdIWal4DsNR0r1pagCs1jDuJFiL56Vf239NtTEpt1YbejPYkRf9oDGsaUQ9 qYHDXsECVEL9TXGybE/F57U7VLqeNz5yIdCEMUZH/Sp5PmwDFVjdgbgGmxv8fKetSsrO 4JdyTxmCZMVKv016KJL0wNkQoTc7AnKLakHr2SXS7D6PTzKsPI+evOaYG2umTB9mdipS 2AuA== ci4mr4304704vcb.65.1371468616779; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:30:16 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I'm sure oil threads cause as much hate-n-discontent here as on any other List, so I write with a degree of trepidation. Actually, I seek only your opinion, not science. Please share yours. As I ponder the reassembly if my '53 TD2, I am considering fluids. For the rack, gearbox and diff, I believe the consensus is #90 hypoid oil. I've always found that an interesting way to say "oil with a very high film tear strength suitable for hypoid gear mating." Redline is probably my brand-of-choice but I'm open to suggestion. Engine oil is another matter all together. Since this will be a full rebuild with new bearings and new rings in freshly honed cylinders, I need an oil that will lubricate properly and promote bedding-in. I live in a climate where the temperature extremes are 50F-90F, for any day when the car might be used. And I believe the workshop manual recommends straight 30-weight oil. For this temperature range, that sounds about right. In later M.G.s I've always used Castrol GTX (20w50). For the break-in / bedding-in period, would you use straight #30 mineral oil? Detergent or non-detergent?And after the break-in period, the same specification (fresh) oil? Sharing your opinions and experiences would be appreciated. Thank you. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 08:58:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E10A4041F for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f172.google.com (mail-ye0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43C440398 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f172.google.com with SMTP id l13so963261yen.3 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:56:08 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=wu1a36H3PNo4AR33ez9ADOt80LNHF8Iip8GZgulMMzw=; b=dR9rUw847ZhuMB442ziswPVr6fZXU3ppig2sjRWEEgGIHoVRaGCwL9wIKLDh3GzG0E +M/L6Q5OcUu7AXSmgJG8ekMbWaMF64/Mcr5VHa3YhVxZAkbHxFdiTUT8YDDrc9HvnqO6 +Hbvi82FsvvEC9AdenouykBgFnHHPE/4p/QI/0B0/ylCa5gz7iyGSwQ0BbIGzZ1lT6D8 gC8Io00LS9VIYPnvHcOEGpyz3waNY07V27QntDFO4nlVR8BWgcZZ4KNxsNIIZGwfBfXI FOi7puSMZfwROt6yNcWw/CmNKHvFp7ebhTgoEThiw20Ax+/ZC0qiwAX9/yCtMBGvOxnP BA9w== h7mr3512460yhe.165.1371480968734; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (108-218-54-124.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net. [108.218.54.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u69sm24795477yhf.23.2013.06.17.07.56.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:56:08 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Tuck Southworth Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:56:07 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, You will receive many opinions as this subject has been much discussed on the forum over the years. Heres my 2c's I agree that you should use 90 hypoid for the steering rack, gearbox and diff. Several years ago I switched over to a synthetic for the gearbox as I was led to believe it would be better for an aging set of gears. It does seem to shift smoother. I'll leave the break-in oils to others who know better but I would include a zinc additive such as found in the Lucus' break in oils. For normal everyday engine oil I use Valvoline VR1 20/50. It has a high zinc formula which is much needed in our pushrod engines. I think they still produce two versions, a road and race formula. Tuck Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I'm sure oil threads cause as much hate-n-discontent here as on any other > List, so I write with a degree of trepidation. Actually, I seek only your > opinion, not science. Please share yours. > > As I ponder the reassembly if my '53 TD2, I am considering fluids. For the > rack, gearbox and diff, I believe the consensus is #90 hypoid oil. I've > always found that an interesting way to say "oil with a very high film tear > strength suitable for hypoid gear mating." Redline is probably my > brand-of-choice but I'm open to suggestion. > ar > Engine oil is another matter all together. Since this will be a full > rebuild with new bearings and new rings in freshly honed cylinders, I need > an oil that will lubricate properly and promote bedding-in. > > I live in a climate where the temperature extremes are 50F-90F, for any day > when the car might be used. And I believe the workshop manual recommends > straight 30-weight oil. For this temperature range, that sounds about > right. In later M.G.s I've always used Castrol GTX (20w50). > > For the break-in / bedding-in period, would you use straight #30 mineral > oil? Detergent or non-detergent?And after the break-in period, the same > specification (fresh) oil? > > Sharing your opinions and experiences would be appreciated. Thank you. > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tuck.southworth@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 10:11:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA784403BC for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD774038B for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:11:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id eh20so3407042obb.11 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=oN5lnRYVeyoY0jUC1LgLGsnPnok4E49L+5IWyDQehlQ=; b=NFJl3BOMkZfhDe12TF7UCYToKuHp1ZcIZ+Oamd0Pua4/bIie1qpMJSLCaTRAwgiaWL xY5QiimRKzIpvndnyQHx45yMUDh/L80JgaQGeXdz0fN/W2g5sRPxv/BLhpvrSQ37dZgJ ZeWoB3YeCj0ruCNrRTIPYiFPX2jJrCy4eyHhCGIzfKLOc+mUf8ThwFp50eSvmH9wFioS x+AxpAi65DcNpPodvMax2JENUQKG0PtIVsORam4K0aOGnHiwLGB7p1FnCuNSxr6mbDtW i1OZLXid51KgDOulM10rXpUswpb3TJnPGwKZCDaAe1nLHoTYeVJmkLFdmf7J9wAWPMcG bGXQ== c10mr9360842oby.27.1371485432598; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.19] (CPE185933f42d78-CM185933f42d75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [99.255.239.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rs1sm10626218obb.12.2013.06.17.09.10.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:10:29 -0400 From: Ted Jackson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <5CB1849C-5298-45A4-B8F5-A18974010078@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW in my 1951 MGTD I use Redline MT90 in the gearbox, Redline 75W90 in the differential, and I add a can of GM EOS part # 992869 with every oil change, where I use Castrol 20W50 whenever I find it on sale. In the steering rack I use Motomaster 80W90 Extreme Pressure Gear Oil. (Canadian Tire) I'm pasting in an article from the Ontario MG T Register where Frank Mount, a noted MGT racer, made a recommendation which I follow. Like Tuck I'll leave engine rebuilds/break-in for the experts. Ted Jackson ZDDT Oil Additive There has been much discussion on the web about the fact that the latest oil formulations have reduced, or eliminated, their ZDDT and Phosphorus content. There are still specialty oils available which have ZDDT levels at 1200ppm or above. However modern oils, even our beloved Castrol 20W50, fall far below this mark. Frank Mount advises me that he uses one can (500ml) of AC Delco Engine Oil Supplement with each oil change. AC Delco EOS contains 6221ppm of ZDDT and 5762ppm of Phosphorus. It is readily available at GM dealerships and retails for $8.20. On November 20, 2010 I bought 3 cans at City Buick and was given a volume discount to $6.50 per can! I, for what that's worth, am following Frank's advice. AC Delco Engine Oil Supplement is available at GM dealers as Part # 992869 For a treatise on how ZDDP works, (and what ZDDP stands for!) I suggest that you look at http://www.sherbournemews.com/oil.pdf. Ted Jackson On 13-06-17 10:56 AM, Tuck Southworth wrote: > I'll leave the break-in oils to others who know better but I would include a > zinc additive such as found in the Lucus' break in oils. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of ted.vcf] ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 10:57:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD9E40525 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAB640435 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W32 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:55:56 -0700 From: Mike E To: Tuck Southworth , Richard Lindsay Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:55:55 -0400 References: , <5CB1849C-5298-45A4-B8F5-A18974010078@gmail.com> FILETIME=[89015B40:01CE6B7B] Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I have no argument with using 90 weight hypoid in the steering rack, but according to one of Richard Knudsen's publications, the reason oil was used in the steering rack was because grease would harden. Today you can buy grease that doesn't harden and which, according to Knudsen, you can use in your steering rack. This saves you from having to have a specially modified , oil-filled grease gun in your garage. The other benefit is that it won't all run out if there's a tear in your rack boots, leaving the rack dry. Another fellow told me he has always used a slurry of gear oil and grease. It's worth exploring further and making your own decision. That said, I have always used gear oil, and right now my steering rack is properly filled with oil - last time it was in the shop for another issue, I had the rack boots replaced. Being a British specialty shop, they have an oil-filled grease gun on hand. You'll hear lots of talk about engine oil and zinc (ZDDP), and some people are quite passionate about it. I use plain old 10W 30 (I buy Castrol, but any brand name should work), which was recommended to me by my mechanic, who has 30+ years experience with British cars. Since the engine was rebuilt including a new camshaft and tappets several years ago (after I dropped a valve!), everything appears to be fine. The intertubes (and various lists) are abound with people who will insist that using modern oil will lead to catastrophic wear, and just as many who say the concern is grossly overblown. I'm not claiming any expertise, but I've done my own research, read reports (that are available online), looked at who is saying what and why, and decided that I would not be overly concerned about the amount of ZDDP in my oil. -Mike > From: tuck.southworth@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:56:07 -0400 > To: richardolindsay@gmail.com > CC: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] oil > > Rick, > You will receive many opinions as this subject has been much discussed on the > forum over the years. Heres my 2c's > I agree that you should use 90 hypoid for the steering rack, gearbox and diff. > Several years ago I switched over to a synthetic for the gearbox as I was led > to believe it would be better for an aging set of gears. It does seem to > shift smoother. > > I'll leave the break-in oils to others who know better but I would include a > zinc additive such as found in the Lucus' break in oils. > > For normal everyday engine oil I use Valvoline VR1 20/50. It has a high zinc > formula which is much needed in our pushrod engines. I think they still > produce two versions, a road and race formula. > > Tuck > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Richard Lindsay > wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > > > I'm sure oil threads cause as much hate-n-discontent here as on any other > > List, so I write with a degree of trepidation. Actually, I seek only your > > opinion, not science. Please share yours. > > > > As I ponder the reassembly if my '53 TD2, I am considering fluids. For the > > rack, gearbox and diff, I believe the consensus is #90 hypoid oil. I've > > always found that an interesting way to say "oil with a very high film tear > > strength suitable for hypoid gear mating." Redline is probably my > > brand-of-choice but I'm open to suggestion. > > ar > > Engine oil is another matter all together. Since this will be a full > > rebuild with new bearings and new rings in freshly honed cylinders, I need > > an oil that will lubricate properly and promote bedding-in. > > > > I live in a climate where the temperature extremes are 50F-90F, for any day > > when the car might be used. And I believe the workshop manual recommends > > straight 30-weight oil. For this temperature range, that sounds about > > right. In later M.G.s I've always used Castrol GTX (20w50). > > > > For the break-in / bedding-in period, would you use straight #30 mineral > > oil? Detergent or non-detergent?And after the break-in period, the same > > specification (fresh) oil? > > > > Sharing your opinions and experiences would be appreciated. Thank you. > > > > -rick > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tuck.southworth@gmail.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco@hotmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 12:42:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92E1403C8 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07AA403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.183] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 18:37:35 -0000 BP6YW51UKcYV_wi41VAeuWVUT82WLC_cfEAH7WW88b9mhCn27M2L56XORWhq 60ZekyFf4ST3jFV.Qm9PRIAVjMb.dT5061UgvBnr3cls1jBJdVlj588xw8qC w33HsBkmpUOdfZYWgMCwzDskb1UUqNRqKBzEixiJlmye76VDDLSzHNFr3wwT xgPZv6MeruBaGIzLPjIGxh8CdrgoukvvK_j1nZh12UFjb3fI_siKsoHVjwl2 ms3XGCWJdXeHN6E48FcSy3TGAb5QFFwz147vod8czZKjBobiUnRnuSQyeFw1 UGkgse4oA4vMVdPiuUmoiyBNHXXFRC29DL2OVYWvmOJlJ.uzGhwyAeXBpMBn DiO7rhkF05QOtQPlLAdvnn3B3PfJBX_nAOQJnQf8ZwIlGaSgH17u42ajHzGN EeE05jZMfkbnQ.2.WSnmUMKePvo5IYj93CrqfU9m7CSLmdg-- smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 18:37:35 +0000 UTC From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:37:34 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] engine oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, If your rebuilding your engine with new tappets or cam, you need to follow the manufacture's recommendation on break in procedures. This seems to entail mineral break in oil that contains the adequate chemical formulations for ensuring proper hardness. For example, you might note Crane says the first 20 minutes is the critical period, they then recommend (not require) mineral oil for the first 5000 miles before switching to synthetic. (no where do they say a ZDDP additive is required) CRANE FLAT TAPPET CAMSHAFT RECOMMENDED BREAK-IN PROCEDURE Due to the EPAs mandate for zinc removal from most motor oils, proper flat tappet camshaft break-in procedure is more critical than ever before. This is true for both hydraulic and mechanical flat tappet Camshafts. As a point of interest, the most critical time in the life of a flat tappet camshaft is the first 20 minutes of break-in during which the bottoms of the tappets mate-in with the cam lobes. There are some oils with additive packages that are better for camshaft break-in. These include, but are not limited to: (Brad Penn or Maxima) or a race only petroleum- based oil and include Crane Cams Part # 99003-1 Super Lube additive. Do not use API rated SL or SM oil ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 13:12:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDD2403EE for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EF41403B2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13922 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2013 18:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 18:57:38 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=ln/FgFOaB6klaaGylmj+T3pdmyp0Fb2l+2to2ALJB3I=; b=crF/NJMJCTpu1LpyAvC7RRIDx0Z4Unw1bXOmWSGrEoEWZj7zt8z1zxijHBSytxs05vplm2mPiY+zUSB5vBPWVQ4uvZZPh8L0KtrY1dVIKt/zd4L50MAen9BMqaH8Z4/a; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38049 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UoecU-0002RE-35 for mg-t@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:57:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:57:38 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <27421112-B5AB-407C-8364-A733580FD739@duvallvideo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mg-t] engine oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net << On 6/17/2013 1:37 PM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: (no where do they say a ZDDP additive is required) >> Because IIRC the Brad Penn ( along with Joe Gibbs Oils---3 time winner of Super Bowl ! ! ! ) IS/ARE formulated WITH correct++ ZZDP in quantities required to protect our motors, Mike ! ! This is also true with the 'new' Castrol GT 20/50 (which I use exclusively !). For 'after-break-in' I do NOT recommend synthetics for general motor use. Far TOO many leaks ! Brits motors leak enough ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com [50+ years experience ] ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 13:14:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D8C4052A for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD81403B1 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id jw11so2430733veb.4 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:09:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9s1gM5mstuDEfG4eChVzdkdb4vMU5XDwP25KoWwEhrE=; b=Tq0fe2JhzIB2BNZpJDJisQ028hoFFwQdhij5lZ6XV0Bx5tdt5WMCm+mGp3y3EJevAA CqhlkoQTz/AvAMc42GEKf7O63vKmXdxHdRY2mEQVVFwHt/Q4r1t1kAwIKt9AATOIFhi7 7zatYTLr7v/moNNJTSDbfdgDWCw16Ed9XxZtaFgtp29yCZH4YG+rNlfyhujQc23LyT42 XN9Ke28HxitlQaEna429WvlvSuGhWr5F+fuNK4ZDpPcdnGVzu0YkAsVjR3G1Gl7YC1dK IjYwVKjalKpX6wAlKEOe7pHnWfqKJBpF2QUMFIykGVs0MFx9liHtS7e/six+sQOuzrIO EpOw== Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.41.104 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:09:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <27421112-B5AB-407C-8364-A733580FD739@duvallvideo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:09:14 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] engine oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone, for the lubricant advice. Of course, it is a more complex issue than, "Always use XYZ." When I get closer (in 3 months or so) I'll ask again. I have lots to consider now and lots of measurements to do yet! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 14:14:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8573A40C01 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E48AC40445 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24545 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2013 20:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 20:12:46 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Gd0rIIJ+j+MuHeLAjAmEH820csUyKI11Jy2iajHs10c=; b=lpU6mpl6cm1nDDrQTj8vCkkLPaENRiPG+8G82z5alQwD3o5YQnjjKt3RRxphy7/Jj/WRKZdqtqNBlUfdsbONIoGJlKqpE53R4kBB4fvNUrv8R/1OVvyNAm6hfvARGmKf; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=39467 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UofnB-00028L-Vf for mg-t@autox.team.net; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:12:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:12:46 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: 4 - MG Ts References: <50DAE33A.7080701@justbrits.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: [Mg-t] Fwd: F/S Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Holiday SPECIAL --- FOR SALE Carpet Set (includes footwell insert) 454-478 From 4237 TD & MGTF, BLACK (all LHD) [and in case item link doesn't work -:) ] http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/SearchResults.aspx?SearchText=454-478&WebCatalogID=0 NORMAL & AS OF 12/26/2010 .... List Price ============ $ 389.95 My NORMAL. eMail Price = $ 330.11 Your PRE-listing on ebay, craigslist, amazon, etc., etc, meaning the EXTRA SPECIAL, My "get it OUT of HERE" price is $ 194.975 + ACTUAL shipping ! ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com PS: Few more "T" things coming soon ! ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:02:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279F34054D for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF249403A5 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 18:52:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 18:52:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 18:52:49 -0000 qp5xVlRabFUD3g65ACp9ny6Al5ydK8QbrYKH7gXj_VlvAhRs5QFC3dWm50NG p4GjUxcLc2I3f23Kgnytp0jYCJY5kRGrzRKorXNMCkDP5g0338Qahl_At9HU vSabDVeRrN_HDi6DNcYwYZBvPnRqZbZ1i47wL9dCFHVvpf_RzJr_4dvmUx1q vZdAdZ4p_SJOPKDmV4.cdmvnTByamvt7Dr5mGb8.3aK3L8FkI_QSaRkMNMyO lCw4qmpNuhIIMO4l7OZRoSkboGJZvYKBYb30K1GXFQ894Mg9FZQ_eQdK0Gv7 tyjNdWypsS6QrZ6MfcL5DAKCFC3NOgJfZf.64V7eGEmukUk4QVvIOyNmVZDf xF5nWJVJVkOEY8Lg6YB5H6nJFOz7J31V6qS7DQz84HFiAeOwo.50QBd3.hYs IRId.qt8gNFbjj4MAMt8PUHvIdkGQwAfk_8DnXfh7D8AGF4e5GGUn smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2013 11:52:48 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:52:48 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net You miss the point Ed, no where does Crane cams recommend ZDDP additives to protect their cams-- they only require special oil during the break in.... On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Because IIRC the Brad Penn ( along with Joe Gibbs Oils---3 time winner of Super Bowl ! ! ! ) IS/ARE > formulated WITH correct++ ZZDP in quantities required to protect our motors, Mike ! ! ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:03:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9513340C02 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB5A4009B for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 18:52:46 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.61] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 18:52:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 18:52:46 -0000 iXtNTe1JPbFd9S1N0PCHGw71aGQTNBRZ9XCxNtVm6YCWllWgyhVkpFSrcfis xEQtbYG7kIFOGSV7OlIRPpMbuGbOyU4pocBSneoj_2LrWw0m6rhW1DEGEdQf H7qeOiEZ8Bvabr7in.fTlIBL0wixoSl65ZZwqAp1YEbDAzeWnU7R6Ntm283f sHHDSVTsSDucnwdpiJAoxFdQI5dVr6W7DKNxhy_d52Xr6aD7RcEbn4b_aPEf HADxVU9rK4_wqlwTdBU3bpnE7xxdul7FBdcMABGtGkK0k6WBs19YuGnOdpPA XpQBiUulNVjLJCeTC0jIY2gBwGbmgB5lOzeN84Y.N1VCOA8uB.ctgDuQK17v ko4mLMi2.LSzJ0nzkDgWhhfnxwZrEl18KvTvy4KzvnAGO59F7GQjDEkDYRN3 kPCc6RAVBD_EfqqViIxrZFMJQYNdqlu.m6Iotr_bjgHSb.y73Zmc3 smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2013 11:52:46 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:52:43 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net You miss the point Ed, no where does Crane cams recommend ZDDP additives to protect their cams-- they only require special oil during the break in.... On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Because IIRC the Brad Penn ( along with Joe Gibbs Oils---3 time winner of Super Bowl ! ! ! ) IS/ARE > formulated WITH correct++ ZZDP in quantities required to protect our motors, Mike ! ! ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:42:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA822406AE for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC9B403B2 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pspK1l0051ei1Bg58vhHGa; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:41:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.229.243.26]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pvhG1l00c0atUmS3kvhGMu; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:41:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:41:18 -0400 From: Bud Krueger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Duvall Video Productions , mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1371584477; bh=cgWcVTT38lwqjBF+OKIiWfc/iaa9L3fn8CbIPLdsKzo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=PVvtsdudBfZ0T/SKzNVGnNMlaxYjPqTtHdn1CnV4pMcytCbgcCfVC+18efbL6ULJG YaXaa+S1YQS+Bm5sBi9/Oku/zbCzPShPMGgwWG4/W0jtSt7NFB3JD5iB5QtT8pv/ux 9pVte78hp0ui+ybf+rYXSEPhPqKsjmL3hyswF8UBK2U0ZXGqb5YhIKGxzpPab/biu8 0TiTEGi4z+eQt3tT+XuRf+RmU4GImmQEuWPdCbCThBPXWdLo+kaFBVvHyL7O354YIW XtMJW42/hbBgir589E476B29v4I/zNgymTt42WQnu6F4jB7nVRGexZL8p5XcQ83iqq WJH0MWEnbmD7w== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, I think that you're the one missing Crane's point. They are suggesting that users avoid the use of 'modern oils', i.e., SLor SM. These are the oils virtually without the critical ZDDP additives. It's the tappets that are in trouble, not the cam lobes. Bud Duvall Video Productions wrote: > You miss the point Ed, no where does Crane cams recommend ZDDP additives to > protect their cams-- they only require special oil during the break in.... > > > On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > >> Because IIRC the Brad Penn ( along with Joe Gibbs Oils---3 time winner of > Super Bowl ! ! ! ) IS/ARE >> formulated WITH correct++ ZZDP in quantities required to protect our motors, > Mike ! ! > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 13:53:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF3D403E7 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3061940075 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 19:50:40 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.108] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 19:50:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 19:50:40 -0000 kGyHgAXh63ajo2dMu8UgyLzLTwpEhQlZEvUrFSgQ7fKwgmGpPtKEUHB1rglH 7GLJHr7QIgUxzkOZ.hJotk1SBifOCMUc9OpiMjcUqR9ruO9IG8xtWaQhzJ51 MfvlJo66JGwbeEhqVYLeBRftyO3p5owl.mU3B9Ga2Qw8.hJvmSuzg8CCnn4I mTU.kS8MaGSbuIxGjstqHCM56Oox1iJ0kgGTTBB70Gje0seTJW1cFSz0abI5 5I.xaVVmlgm.CdV3QQsWFmD2t7LAQEbDdILW2v0x2b5VC_GaeR9K9vsqVPAG vfIb6VnNXBO1fggXFiZ7B55wSruqnLLutHWjFtQIiUUwSCdTGQYo8FeserSY a6J1R36Jg27nVy1o3zW7SYUKM5VqBEwc7MOFzERHGSdzDAvmD08Y_sK6ZR2s _yIsJp0kqT6KrQPhov3T_0y2CgWh9czhZtzX0hhQz.JntX3ymIAYoaguNBhF n.O41WpCPf94- smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2013 12:50:40 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:50:39 -0500 References: <51C0B7DE.5010703@comcast.net> To: Bud Krueger Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Mg-t Digest, Vol 7, Issue 91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net No Bud, read the sheet again- the no SL SM is under the break in period. "There are some oils with additive packages that are better for camshaft break-in. These include, but are not limited to: (Brad Penn or Maxima) or a race only petroleum- based oil and include Crane Cams Part # 99003-1 Super Lube additive. Do not use API rated SL or SM oil." On Jun 18, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Bud Krueger wrote: > Mike, I think that you're the one missing Crane's point. They are suggesting that users avoid the use of 'modern oils', i.e., SLor SM. These are the oils virtually without the critical ZDDP additives. It's the tappets that are in trouble, not the cam lobes. > > Bud > > > Duvall Video Productions wrote: >> You miss the point Ed, no where does Crane cams recommend ZDDP additives to >> protect their cams-- they only require special oil during the break in.... >> >> >> On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: >> >>> Because IIRC the Brad Penn ( along with Joe Gibbs Oils---3 time winner of >> Super Bowl ! ! ! ) IS/ARE >>> formulated WITH correct++ ZZDP in quantities required to protect our motors, >> Mike ! ! >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 08:34:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF92E42752 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FAF42718 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 14:30:39 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.95] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 14:30:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2013 14:30:39 -0000 DmePpBaqWe1HUENA637Wq9zp.2dOPkUSEimMUl8rWIS.Nyyu6oFDht5Cuw3i ImItXcByB4amdldK2uVYbpO4VLTH.P7XN5euNiOmcz49rt52f7UjDJFotSCf 8hE3u6.7P80efipP33pioADlUD7..665Uj2L7tIiLge0Hv57vP0i6GdFpyaf b6qWqY58YviZON8f1xbwxN1E5tpry_ckjdlHsRf0WL38DnWOaNfazWnJbs4j XgGH8PyoZXKYEN_7YmmQVUyGDkJLU93rjChdkuJyZZs8rgqdVpjXtB56Gikn .kaHVKm3GmxpwVXwpbapA676e7m1n7Xw33b7R6Kl1kb81mr32JnSAN7KR.KN peevhzhGIfCvMw3eVYiy1S1zaLjbW_o6FNViGyjFmc8i.fAtg12dtj4JmOZ1 0.uXA_1qUP_1tpgqaYnyKV.I5hJ_1PlFzFdlRaEXDNouF smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2013 07:30:39 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:30:38 -0500 To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] fuel line flare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net My friend's TD had an odd looking flare on his fuel line going into the pump. Can anyone tell me about the flare type? Is there a place to buy a tool? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 19 19:13:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B6542753 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB704274C for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP61 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:11:57 -0700 Received: from amd ([174.91.28.127]) by BLU0-SMTP61.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:11:56 -0700 From: BOB GRUNAU To: "Duvall Video Productions" , Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:15:32 -0400 FILETIME=[286E6640:01CE6D53] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] fuel line flare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fuel line is 5/16" copper tube. Original end connections were a soldered special end. No need for that. Go to any hardware or plumbing store and buy some 5/16" round tubing ferrules. These will work just fine on 5/16" tubing into the pump. Bob, Canada -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:31 AM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] fuel line flare My friend's TD had an odd looking flare on his fuel line going into the pump. Can anyone tell me about the flare type? Is there a place to buy a tool? ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/grunau.garage@sympatico.ca ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 27 07:14:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9DA42763 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A15642750 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17875 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2013 13:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2013 13:09:26 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=WpA/Y5V0ilBkVViWyZoNnDL2xrm3MJq9xTcINlxto5g=; b=n2GbSDhRDqWjDIhFCn6wsbNqJHHe/J/KoQiGCcYzxRLJqIGa3KNqBVEyf5MZt05T+bFQ0SdNY+6tOwIEyvhIcEcMxMIoJXiny5Lu7lnKvqxLZDSxhXY+ffMtxMbnDDIC; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37140 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsBx0-0000Le-IG; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:09:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:09:28 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: 4 - MGs , 4 - MG Ts References: <96.0E.06295.4CCBBC15@ec1> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: [Mg-t] Fwd: Finned Find: 1959 Cadillac Convertible Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Finned Find: 1959 Cadillac Convertible Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:17:08 -0400 From: BarnFinds.com To: Ed Kaler Rick, HERE is the car you shoulda 'done' instead of the TD ! ! ! -------------ant Updates Finned Find: 1959 Cadillac Convertible If you like your classic cars to have fins, then this 1959 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible might be right up your alley, as it has the largest fins ever fitted to a factory built car. The current owner has had it in storage for the past 30 years, but has decided to let it go because they lack the time to restore it. Over the years it has had a couple of homes, including a barn and this garage in Idaho. Have a look here on eBay . The post Finned Find: 1959 Cadillac Convertible appeared first on Barn Finds . Read more at barnfinds.com Click here to subscribe or change frequency of updates. 1448 O'Dell Court, Sheridan, WY 82801, USA ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive