From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 11:25:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459782584E32 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:25:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768D02584E48 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cypress ([109.153.171.255]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id PuBr1p0325WyW0D01uBsR2; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:11:52 +0000 a=8EkY4CExhXebCRLe4k94VA==:117 a=8EkY4CExhXebCRLe4k94VA==:17 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=oNFtUEMmAAAA:8 a=ab9eesjVdKfVGzcgLyYA:9 a=xvnOQppgEZEuNnML:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=436f2x8H33kA:10 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=31Qg5Gfjg6Hb-PMCpKgA:9 a=laNbvCs2vD0hUvkt:21 a=p17M4Jv3Q5JTetg6:21 a=OcmqFBAtdXaV_zOK:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=yHmpGuN2Kb8A:10 a=1GSbIA61q4gA:10 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "David Lodge" , "MG-TABC" , "Autox" References: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 18:11:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] Car collection. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net What Ho! Just hitching up the trailer Old Boy, donning the nightraid camouflage gear and the balaclava helmet and setting off for France on a fast low level night raid old chap ! What ? Some fantastic machinery there ! Clive = ==================== ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lodge emmgeeteesee@gmail.com [mg-tabc] To: MG-TABC ; Autox Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Car collection. And the wife looks askance on my modest fleet! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2862095/Now-did-park-60-cars-Incred ible-treasure-trove-rusting-classics-worth-12MILLION-languishing-French-farm- garage-50-years.html Regards, Lodge. __._,_.___ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Posted by: David Lodge ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Reply via web post b" Reply to sender b" Reply to group b" Start a New Topic b" Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group a.. New Members 1 b" Privacy b" Unsubscribe b" Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 15:10:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807872584543 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:10:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D46C2580980; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a1so1973605wgh.5 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:45:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=crxw1b/8fx9u8QlA+elRKdKNKs0c0XBL54VPx16/dTI=; b=vb9EWCBxCW64CZijUEXAbTnIf/y0201mm3N4t3S5t9ZsILdFVl+LX4idTJFjkWMX5y VZxaF3LtGejDhKH7pNzPmXxsYm4ig5cFREbCu0bSqLOunMN954SL3lgej4dyc9UZAtop 80yoaRSYdYwp0k3+9TCS8cKKLHJmk3qZ7+Ubpfc0XEz4gC0hmT/N4uncBgyMThW75g7v 8ixQ0JrAoUWwzvLWGsXxtRWleLYXApc/jY4HaEwlZxB7SFXHL2TJrtXalIrYOmgDiG1a VSv/ZXziyHe4OayBM1CpiyWNwXrL4TE1XwzuWkKZa12HI/V8wl4kz/oVWU8W14+V8vy8 KLoA== v17mr27828571wjq.130.1417815952491; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.53.203 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:52 -0600 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mg-t] OT - BBC to accompany my LBCs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Just because its too quiet, here's my BBC (Big British Car) fresh from a bath... http://aubard.us/RR/DSC_0012.JPG -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 15:57:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69FE2584614 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:57:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F9902580B0C for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:40:45 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1417819473; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=HcDXHv8rVEI58YrSk31Vm2+292KWmKDMARqUpSLNjZkv+DHzzOziUS6pBI6bGlfJm 2cR3Y47scT7EuAxrBJ5n4ExcupyJkUFSz8ABdeOHFxQtqaxA2yLCzjIyRWX0STmCo2 Ps1gGMP/QFq9HT2ccHnNDnIkbwtK+oTpSzMLwwy0= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLJEPKLAZ74BMS for (sender ); Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:42:27 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:42:27 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] OT - BBC to accompany my LBCs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Have you a current pic of the LBC? Here in CT, it's cold. I drove the TD yesterday for errands around town. With a shield over the radiator, I got the radiator temp to about 60C. We have had no salt applied to town roads in Guilford, but State of CT has dosed all the numbered roads liberally. Rain tonight and tomorrow may rinse some of it away. Until I know for sure, though, the TD and MGB will not be travelling out of town.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] OT - BBC to accompany my LBCs Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:52 -0600 Just because its too quiet, here's my BBC (Big British Car) fresh from a bath... http://aubard.us/RR/DSC_0012.JPG -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Dec 5 16:26:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9DE2580313 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:26:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com (mail-oi0-f45.google.com [209.85.218.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D611725845B0 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:57:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id a141so1158017oig.4 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:01:46 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:mime-version :content-type; bh=eBRw/XTffVMZEE/VBRiTQszFOS2Sgqw8a9sdJdcmfIQ=; b=wyZm2QmoFn2Katze+5Z8qKZNRoGyY3q7cr3bxq0VmyvHdU/OK/NcBlFQz7fwISycPz N1Bu6P94S8unwKWifRTYiQOfTqKvbnG840njLl/97ee/f5qCRjRA1T8KFRJaoTAt7BtF TBA4Yov90eV7p9Xz22F7AhAIczOnDaq2EwQNL62MkvNN/vl3crdcB5iE5v6ZOUNHEzK0 BMiaIj6bdyLEcKRj+0xtL5AI/PsBXQWGOS1IA833wS2Ndp4gX4Y9cKLptEPjU8hQjcRc 9A1LKOiXjzlmyIJiHhzrRl2UPjiOBLdHDtq4rlZRQ+11w8STJgUxdoixAGJ8N0SGrM26 Qhug== Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (107-192-135-76.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id di8sm14834458obb.17.2014.12.05.15.01.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:01:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:01:41 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: "mgbob@juno.com" , mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] OT - BBC to accompany my LBCs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bob, The TD is waiting for completion. Right side fenders on dining room table. Perhaps this weekend I'll make some progress. Since we last talked, I bought a '78 Lotus Esprit S2. I guess its an EBC - Exotic British Car. :-P More to come, but thanks for the interest! -rick
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From: mgbob@juno.com
Date:12/05/2014 4:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: richardolindsay@gmail.com, mg-t@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT - BBC to accompany my LBCs
Have you a current pic of the LBC? Here in CT, it's cold. I drove the TD yesterday for errands around town. With a shield over the radiator, I got the radiator temp to about 60C. We have had no salt applied to town roads in Guilford, but State of CT has dosed all the numbered roads liberally. Rain tonight and tomorrow may rinse some of it away. Until I know for sure, though, the TD and MGB will not be travelling out of town.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] OT - BBC to accompany my LBCs Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:52 -0600 Just because its too quiet, here's my BBC (Big British Car) fresh from a bath... http://aubard.us/RR/DSC_0012.JPG -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 21 06:10:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117222584540 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:10:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACE02580313; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 06:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id va2so18151848obc.10; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:14:30 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:mime-version :content-type; bh=e80WrP9qkb29iIt8ePnKolCa+U1YP9hKPejeLH+W/+w=; b=m1iVsMKYK00zLv1H42xvqJLPdSqB7snVmYSTW0DJiG1RuV8cLvMFqrYniiOGoOJWB8 WFoLFZKVpv0000b7MA8VKmNKmBL8sjJfRT0Y5ubEf3HceaSDdeNH6zy4v/TBOng7ZeZb m01mXw/FctX9OupQ+CB1ok39IIjnfEiTF0oJ4wGXkD+l+6bp+ScejRYXT130LZgaap2v NcahWaQT2+xV31jP9Ta0hr7THy9O8WmGzAlz4CcMRxWgWUrf5b24Y7VD4bO8B1GCW5zQ GM53JsdgKqfoEBy7LvP81wYHHYZnAXazmRXf768jBuwvrEN4krZf1Tk1bnW35viQp+H8 KYtA== yd3mr10466152obc.24.1419167670590; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (107-192-135-76.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mv15sm7506660obb.13.2014.12.21.05.14.28 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Dec 2014 05:14:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 07:14:25 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: PaulHunt73 , mg-t@autox.team.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] BGT Resurrected Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Paul writes, >B Just drive it more,B that does more good for these cars than anything else. Golden advice for all our old cars. Fluids need to be circulated and seals need to be kept wetted. I'm in the process of cycling through my cars right now. They have set unused for too long and need exercise. Its a problem that I am fortunate to have - and I try to never forget it. Today, after getting the front brakes back on the Lotus, then the hydraulics bled, I need to get the wings back on my MG TD, even if only loosely attached. At present, the right front wing and both valences are on the dining room table. That arrangement is NOT conducive to my health this week! Ergo, to the garage I go.B Regarding the original topic, we are so tempted to panic over low oil pressure. And while it is an indicator of (primarily) bearing wear, it is also an indication of ample oil movement. Remember, a big part of oil circulation is bearing cooling. Fluid flushing the journals does that. Modern oils have great 'tear strenght'. That is, the resistance of the film of oil to tear apart allowing metal-to-metal contact. That is when damage occurs. I tend to follow the adage of 5psi/1000rpm, is all that's needed - and those words were written for the oils we used 40 years ago! Today's oils are even better. I use 20w50 (Castrol GTX) in all my LBCs, and in my BBC (Big British Car). The Italian cars use synthetic oil (Mobil1) but in the viscosity recommended by their maker. I have no clue what's in our daily drivers because I don't waste my time maintaining them at home. They are just major appliances. I hope to have added strength to Paul's words, not that our resident sage needs reinforcement. More honestly, I just wanted to say hello. Its been too long, my friends. -rick PS: As hinted above, I have added a '78 Lotus Esprit S2 to my collection. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 06:12:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC66A2580BC7 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:12:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F91258081A for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:09:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id vb8so29361714obc.7 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:13:56 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:mime-version :content-type; bh=aUFxFkVUWZ8ha+HvU7ezhx81kr5afGtz+lUg6Yep9H0=; b=TXlXJiIVZEfghFNr+GJAJWN4wUVVO57QDvEjXSVa3bv5Tv9CIGm/uNTaCcZ/9V1IcO NADHUhE8eTQHwFHlbuj24nm1k9U15LQM5aL0gsYj2PpwWGKytT7dgB9Y/UL/9MUxyjr0 hAcZFRsx/3HB6U8bBhmZ50HOZP8kjFMyc017mt4JG5Ja0aw38a1kRtjmmE+ZVGEy7X8n od1mMVaC/Bc0SUj1A3JlzB5AGLC/hhu8wnoMM9O+D5mR7Yf+o7nuyVKiitMqbp7tkwOX x4uhWRTokN3wdlVBaEq5zGQdrjMUP/FeR1y8mPg5OydR4vfdr2xO2c4wmt381omtjW+f Vb5A== iv3mr19835779obc.64.1419426836217; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (107-192-135-76.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sz6sm7084394obc.11.2014.12.24.05.13.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:13:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:13:52 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends,B I am embarrassed to have to ask this question again - but I will. When attaching the bonnet latches and bonnet bumpers on the TD's front wing; 1. The bumper pads face outward so that the rubber pad touches the bonnet, when closed. That one is pretty easy. 2. The latch pieces are installed with the offset toward the engine, right? So that the latch pulls the bonnet inward and against the pads? Is that right? I hate to ask this question of you because I have asked it before ... and have gotten your answers. Sadly, I just don't remember the answer. To that end; Have you ever thought about how the binary issues are the easiest to confuse? That is, the issues with only two outcomes: yes or no, up or down, offset facing in or out, "Did I turn the coffee pot off, or not?" Experts tell us that the confusion is because the human mind is so good a flipping symetry. Otherwise, we'd have a very hard time using the bathroom mirror or backing out of the driveway without hitting the trash cans! Whew! I now don't feel so badly about asking again about latch orientation. But I would still appreciate your wise council. -rick, with a TD wing that HAS to come off the dining room table today! "-o ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 06:48:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF212585140 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:48:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 628A32584CC6 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:45:19 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1419428960; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=gbuUSdzNM0SMHRfxete0kPOVGdSxoWNfcmGsijGE/P2QC1DBGVfnRu4iWgFc5c/1I ko2I1+dg2yhPBn5+yaFbta6il9WIuP/ZDifTm0Lrj2BONzxGEoED5Uc4Cqqlzjq4GF ZP6qSKofo4dOn1hDvzJ5nwhOeAjIeHMIKIxsLISc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLKXTC5AQCL2TA for (sender ); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:48:22 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:48:22 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rick, The rubber pads face outward, touching the bonnet, just as you wrote. The latches install with the bow/curve/ ( -shape outward, toward the bonnet also. That moves the opening of the hole a bit closer to bonnet that if installed the other way. Attach the latches to the wing before bolting wing to car, and not bolting tight. Fit the bonnet, latch the latches, then snug everything. What seems like just a little movement in the wings can make the difference between latches latching and just missing the openings. As to the symmetry--certain drivers, more than one (and not I ) have driven over a small conifer near my driveway several times. Each has, in embarrassed confession, noted that he/she (no gender bias here) had no trouble in the past when backing out in a car using the mirrors, and that he/she had a perfect view of the little tree in the back-up camera as it was being flattened. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:13:52 -0600 Hello Friends,B I am embarrassed to have to ask this question again - but I will. When attaching the bonnet latches and bonnet bumpers on the TD's front wing; 1. The bumper pads face outward so that the rubber pad touches the bonnet, when closed. That one is pretty easy. 2. The latch pieces are installed with the offset toward the engine, right? So that the latch pulls the bonnet inward and against the pads? Is that right? I hate to ask this question of you because I have asked it before ... and have gotten your answers. Sadly, I just don't remember the answer. To that end; Have you ever thought about how the binary issues are the easiest to confuse? That is, the issues with only two outcomes: yes or no, up or down, offset facing in or out, "Did I turn the coffee pot off, or not?" Experts tell us that the confusion is because the human mind is so good a flipping symetry. Otherwise, we'd have a very hard time using the bathroom mirror or backing out of the driveway without hitting the trash cans! Whew! I now don't feel so badly about asking again about latch orientation. But I would still appreciate your wise council. -rick, with a TD wing that HAS to come off the dining room table today! "-o ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 07:04:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DFB2585192 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:04:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25E72580754 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i138so13113674oig.2 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:mime-version :content-type; bh=XIt49MR//fE88Rrxe0YRlmb8S2u1G+MkHfN1jjy/oQE=; b=YtrvyvNwYGKkFs+yYDidQaZvB0F9K0GqBwPIea3pYteoIjupnGEmHfFbG9wsxlvzFo sGxCx04yyBH7XybkjiUcno/O1C0xiE24LiWYCnCPYnzafLOYAsfQlsaCKkkxjHX3xs5L LQnaN7dkHKGHaDJmmCxcNXhV+zeyzk+MRF+1z2xngd0j8TnxtMAr3fHLyFusGpVt866u qKe86pizFyqU7UQw54i3BVeEGDsFnf0b/BwNOVQt7v6dN21kf8DJ/1soyZ1ImQ8rS4MK Z0hq3l4EuTPVNQ0hBR9luJgbAkbfL1/znQJFN8+7Z10276no9jXMufC1aJXqyWhpWaye lm7g== z2mr20057428obx.35.1419430113852; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (107-192-135-76.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n7sm12013106obh.25.2014.12.24.06.08.32 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Dec 2014 06:08:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:08:30 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: "mgbob@juno.com" Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net LOL! Backup cameras are a great idea for spotting kids and pets otherwise out of view BUT, they are a VERY POOR replacement for mirrors and common sense! Thanks for the latch correction. -rick
-------- Original message --------
From: mgbob@juno.com
Date:12/24/2014 7:48 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: richardolindsay@gmail.com
Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches
Hi Rick, The rubber pads face outward, touching the bonnet, just as you wrote. The latches install with the bow/curve/ ( -shape outward, toward the bonnet also. That moves the opening of the hole a bit closer to bonnet that if installed the other way. Attach the latches to the wing before bolting wing to car, and not bolting tight. Fit the bonnet, latch the latches, then snug everything. What seems like just a little movement in the wings can make the difference between latches latching and just missing the openings. As to the symmetry--certain drivers, more than one (and not I ) have driven over a small conifer near my driveway several times. Each has, in embarrassed confession, noted that he/she (no gender bias here) had no trouble in the past when backing out in a car using the mirrors, and that he/she had a perfect view of the little tree in the back-up camera as it was being flattened. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:13:52 -0600 Hello Friends,B I am embarrassed to have to ask this question again - but I will. When attaching the bonnet latches and bonnet bumpers on the TD's front wing; 1. The bumper pads face outward so that the rubber pad touches the bonnet, when closed. That one is pretty easy. 2. The latch pieces are installed with the offset toward the engine, right? So that the latch pulls the bonnet inward and against the pads? Is that right? I hate to ask this question of you because I have asked it before ... and have gotten your answers. Sadly, I just don't remember the answer. To that end; Have you ever thought about how the binary issues are the easiest to confuse? That is, the issues with only two outcomes: yes or no, up or down, offset facing in or out, "Did I turn the coffee pot off, or not?" Experts tell us that the confusion is because the human mind is so good a flipping symetry. Otherwise, we'd have a very hard time using the bathroom mirror or backing out of the driveway without hitting the trash cans! Whew! I now don't feel so badly about asking again about latch orientation. But I would still appreciate your wise council. -rick, with a TD wing that HAS to come off the dining room table today! "-o ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 12:07:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18FC2584E76 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:07:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5123625849AA for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:59:21 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=peoplepc.com; b=Q3JmNSjvvHyd47nd8LGk+UfX4de873am0waCUsJbVoO5GrD5JXtS/JnR3IF/omyt; h=Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.59.195.99] (helo=1450Potato) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3rDK-0002iR-33 for mg-t@autox.team.net; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:03:18 -0500 From: "John Quilter" To: References: <35q4m555bnm9lh0mgl2bnrim.1419430110919@email.android.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:03:20 -0800 Thread-Index: AQIeGTAudvc7d6hqVJSynjusm61RppwDJBBQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net And I see that the soon to be launched new Cadillac CT6 is replacing the conventional interior review mirror with an oblong video screen fed by a backup camera. Apparently, the new age engineers consider this a better solution to the century old mirror. Source: Automotive News December 22, 2014 page 18. John F. Quilter Eugene, Oregon USA -----Original Message----- From: Mg-t [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:09 AM To: mgbob@juno.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches LOL! Backup cameras are a great idea for spotting kids and pets otherwise out of view BUT, they are a VERY POOR replacement for mirrors and common sense! Thanks for the latch correction. -rick
-------- Original message --------
From: mgbob@juno.com
Date:12/24/2014 7:48 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: richardolindsay@gmail.com
Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches
Hi Rick, The rubber pads face outward, touching the bonnet, just as you wrote. The latches install with the bow/curve/ ( -shape outward, toward the bonnet also. That moves the opening of the hole a bit closer to bonnet that if installed the other way. Attach the latches to the wing before bolting wing to car, and not bolting tight. Fit the bonnet, latch the latches, then snug everything. What seems like just a little movement in the wings can make the difference between latches latching and just missing the openings. As to the symmetry--certain drivers, more than one (and not I ) have driven over a small conifer near my driveway several times. Each has, in embarrassed confession, noted that he/she (no gender bias here) had no trouble in the past when backing out in a car using the mirrors, and that he/she had a perfect view of the little tree in the back-up camera as it was being flattened. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:13:52 -0600 Hello Friends,B I am embarrassed to have to ask this question again - but I will. When attaching the bonnet latches and bonnet bumpers on the TD's front wing; 1. The bumper pads face outward so that the rubber pad touches the bonnet, when closed. That one is pretty easy. 2. The latch pieces are installed with the offset toward the engine, right? So that the latch pulls the bonnet inward and against the pads? Is that right? I hate to ask this question of you because I have asked it before ... and have gotten your answers. Sadly, I just don't remember the answer. To that end; Have you ever thought about how the binary issues are the easiest to confuse? That is, the issues with only two outcomes: yes or no, up or down, offset facing in or out, "Did I turn the coffee pot off, or not?" Experts tell us that the confusion is because the human mind is so good a flipping symetry. Otherwise, we'd have a very hard time using the bathroom mirror or backing out of the driveway without hitting the trash cans! Whew! I now don't feel so badly about asking again about latch orientation. But I would still appreciate your wise council. -rick, with a TD wing that HAS to come off the dining room table today! "-o ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/jquilter@peoplepc.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 13:24:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D602586024 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:24:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886E02584958 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:03:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x13so11910863wgg.5 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:07:21 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CvsQFMYzKJ2jmws4043AjcimdP+ttRxQSvdXcafYCfU=; b=SyJavtUseyGC3lcPhBSd3kNWGdLZ5vNfb9YAyaO/YOqSyzwjYyHaf6vyABdnqHt4C6 8OiVS55DDxvSGkDK4zVTAV/yBDVDCxtauUTg/EUKrb0viy/Z6jIa8//gt9GUMDuCvEwo iVRYhyf9F58Sk1UZfb7FwE1IstFRZPdm38kI30KPueDEdoA9yYIOpcqY7OLjAZk0Q97f CGPUGBvEEKc6xO2ZuK2QwNBfgxLoXSs/Bgh8J/4aCFejMEq7RcuFfAi4GcUXjy821oJ5 SrHOEzjA8L4D8WwPzzyGFig94XwZRKbKO3WXdYKbuxxodqBZUsrfvXYWBPpjGx1ZV8w0 hlzg== ft1mr34417199wib.19.1419451641504; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:07:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.48.70 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:07:21 -0800 (PST) References: <35q4m555bnm9lh0mgl2bnrim.1419430110919@email.android.com> <000001d01fac$495dbba0$dc1932e0$@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:07:21 -0600 From: Richard Lindsay To: John Quilter Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net And then there's the powerful Dr. Who quote, "The more sophisticated the technology, the more susceptible it is to primitive attack." On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM, John Quilter wrote: > And I see that the soon to be launched new Cadillac CT6 is replacing the > conventional interior review mirror with an oblong video screen fed by a > backup camera. Apparently, the new age engineers consider this a better > solution to the century old mirror. Source: Automotive News December 22, > 2014 page 18. > > John F. Quilter > Eugene, Oregon USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mg-t [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:09 AM > To: mgbob@juno.com > Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches > > LOL! Backup cameras are a great idea for spotting kids and pets otherwise > out of view BUT, they are a VERY POOR replacement for mirrors and common > sense! > > Thanks for the latch correction. > > -rick > >
-------- Original message --------
From: mgbob@juno.com >
Date:12/24/2014 7:48 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: > richardolindsay@gmail.com
Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net >
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches
>
Hi Rick, The rubber pads face outward, touching the bonnet, just as > you wrote. The latches install with the bow/curve/ ( -shape outward, > toward the bonnet also. That moves the opening of the hole a bit closer to > bonnet that if installed the other way. Attach the latches to the wing > before bolting wing to car, and not bolting tight. Fit the bonnet, latch > the latches, then snug everything. What seems like just a little movement > in the wings can make the difference between latches latching and just > missing the openings. As to the symmetry--certain drivers, more than one > (and not I ) have driven over a small conifer near my driveway several > times. Each has, in embarrassed confession, noted that he/she (no gender > bias here) had no trouble in the past when backing out in a car using the > mirrors, and that he/she had a perfect view of the little tree in the > back-up camera as it was being flattened. > Bob > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Rick Lindsay > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:13:52 -0600 > > Hello Friends,B > > I am embarrassed to have to ask this question again - but I will. > > When attaching the bonnet latches and bonnet bumpers on the TD's front wing; > > 1. The bumper pads face outward so that the rubber pad touches the bonnet, > when closed. That one is pretty easy. > > 2. The latch pieces are installed with the offset toward the engine, right? > So that the latch pulls the bonnet inward and against the pads? Is that > right? > > I hate to ask this question of you because I have asked it before ... and > have gotten your answers. Sadly, I just don't remember the answer. > > To that end; Have you ever thought about how the binary issues are the > easiest to confuse? That is, the issues with only two outcomes: yes or no, > up or down, offset facing in or out, "Did I turn the coffee pot off, or > not?" > > Experts tell us that the confusion is because the human mind is so good a > flipping symetry. Otherwise, we'd have a very hard time using the bathroom > mirror or backing out of the driveway without hitting the trash cans! > > Whew! I now don't feel so badly about asking again about latch orientation. > But I would still appreciate your wise council. > > -rick, with a TD wing that HAS to come off the dining room table today! "-o > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/jquilter@peoplepc.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 24 14:55:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBD82584D3A for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:55:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A3C2580A2D for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 10so7264495lbg.29 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:33:00 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=U+0WpVCeWsmLVXqQLSGrD4EPl0Mo8/EjoOktQsMUOzc=; b=AH6N7CDyfvuqbYDCl227sfFaSngk6gSpCuM/BhdiwrY7rOj+uLKhO0txa+y7hGSUja bXC8ns2l43SfiOf1QyXAvxv1bskJMENoBBLKPfFdyUE0OxPskiPVlUsuBmqSLtVpAuOz Eu4A0gu2do92RpjlW/8rJq7G9LLQlyIM9F96jsZKf2dLFFh99l6V1kXVntxf+Dt+/MO7 5sUdV+rXJsbprsjw68+ck+g7VTGeMXjXKpLM3eaYbOZd8mGtjF9AybJnV22q8WpL2QFZ pI1MQLrFDpoXFhkNnK68jIM6p+l4VkBcFUjTLUfMTotROcUka6hlu/wVup0Fc5YrjGNL wRIg== fa4mr36130309lbc.84.1419456780158; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.153.4.97 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.153.4.97 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:33:00 -0800 (PST) References: <35q4m555bnm9lh0mgl2bnrim.1419430110919@email.android.com> <000001d01fac$495dbba0$dc1932e0$@peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:33:00 -0600 From: Paul Root To: John Quilter Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I like to call this a senseless use of technology. sent from my phone On Dec 24, 2014 1:57 PM, "John Quilter" wrote: > And I see that the soon to be launched new Cadillac CT6 is replacing the > conventional interior review mirror with an oblong video screen fed by a > backup camera. Apparently, the new age engineers consider this a better > solution to the century old mirror. Source: Automotive News December 22, > 2014 page 18. > > John F. Quilter > Eugene, Oregon USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mg-t [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:09 AM > To: mgbob@juno.com > Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches > > LOL! Backup cameras are a great idea for spotting kids and pets otherwise > out of view BUT, they are a VERY POOR replacement for mirrors and common > sense! > > Thanks for the latch correction. > > -rick > >
-------- Original message --------
From: mgbob@juno.com >
Date:12/24/2014 7:48 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: > richardolindsay@gmail.com
Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net >
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches
>
Hi Rick, The rubber pads face outward, touching the bonnet, just as > you wrote. The latches install with the bow/curve/ ( -shape outward, > toward the bonnet also. That moves the opening of the hole a bit closer to > bonnet that if installed the other way. Attach the latches to the wing > before bolting wing to car, and not bolting tight. Fit the bonnet, latch > the latches, then snug everything. What seems like just a little movement > in the wings can make the difference between latches latching and just > missing the openings. As to the symmetry--certain drivers, more than one > (and not I ) have driven over a small conifer near my driveway several > times. Each has, in embarrassed confession, noted that he/she (no gender > bias here) had no trouble in the past when backing out in a car using the > mirrors, and that he/she had a perfect view of the little tree in the > back-up camera as it was being flattened. > Bob > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Rick Lindsay > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Bonnet latches > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:13:52 -0600 > > Hello Friends,B > > I am embarrassed to have to ask this question again - but I will. > > When attaching the bonnet latches and bonnet bumpers on the TD's front > wing; > > 1. The bumper pads face outward so that the rubber pad touches the bonnet, > when closed. That one is pretty easy. > > 2. The latch pieces are installed with the offset toward the engine, right? > So that the latch pulls the bonnet inward and against the pads? Is that > right? > > I hate to ask this question of you because I have asked it before ... and > have gotten your answers. Sadly, I just don't remember the answer. > > To that end; Have you ever thought about how the binary issues are the > easiest to confuse? That is, the issues with only two outcomes: yes or no, > up or down, offset facing in or out, "Did I turn the coffee pot off, or > not?" > > Experts tell us that the confusion is because the human mind is so good a > flipping symetry. Otherwise, we'd have a very hard time using the bathroom > mirror or backing out of the driveway without hitting the trash cans! > > Whew! I now don't feel so badly about asking again about latch orientation. > But I would still appreciate your wise council. > > -rick, with a TD wing that HAS to come off the dining room table today! "-o > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/jquilter@peoplepc.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/ptroot@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive