From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 13:16:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4C242803 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:16:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3F342534 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (108-169-4-58.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.58] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r21JhX2q009725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 11:43:34 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.35.0.121009 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:43:25 -0800 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body Thread-Index: Ac4WtQnSSEVDupLyakOTE0nIAhuJVw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know, but I'd guess it's less than a Lotus engine... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/1/13 11:17 AM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay@gmail.com wrote: > Hello Friends, > > Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address. > > Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the > approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings, > running boards, dash, seats, etc.? I am about to buy an electric > hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on > there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make > sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above. > Thanks. > > -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 14:00:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC8E42857 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 14:00:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BA6B40EA0 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 20:32:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.213] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 20:32:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2013 20:32:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 84991 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2013 20:32:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1362169919; bh=4nfI5Y7qopCNK+kDrFtyG3DO/rC9ioYYSHNC+GDJD5M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CMGoGu78b3RTdwpx66OeEGj4X+kQjneG0azU6jX9yYztMIbsgbD+2J6Z+7FmDnbWs5ZXboB6UC+KifWebnORFSfb9mm7A0OIPjor3p368lDVnVTtjPRlPaXFDBBtHWWYgcerf3pCiwS56slVJqmu/pXP/hr26h3RvUNNgUeMu8A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2lHfb7KKeQ9k6Y/3nUvZcGcefu8yT6g0CXjX9QvjPpeDYp+8RoUoCYq1/Jfg5J2fTMeN2N1ZBEj4lIqsiFMquL4OBcLsxOnnx4bxU5r8kSHJ6PBabi4fpGrS7/w49JI8bV6Db6feEpXRMr3MoBHl3DbswVB8QP4oOfy8VVNE384=; 8n1I3pcFfrbPaQ24UbF6LoSNtt3jNBvSJ1UmGxITVDAJRvHJif1iIXcHw2zD tBBPFb4h7juoyH36VmAE7bkKct_bghMKshfAI4VEjDCaZEF3RZeTuXcxIVrS ORAh20UC_YRjN4ZwThCjB0jizpNtTnert_OKWP7NBQO6TNC2bqufnkTPSeav pYtSpJsZ7E1ErB3fQvA.RBIfrjoTPrDQ7qOWgrPDtvCiWlL3Z5fWGKydiKOt 81FT6yhaEOaMeHitUXYf7Y8oegxxJAyD5mGgJWNS6RNgTeWAUzhPjHZYP9kk J03xaQuzNlZg8f3BTg6vnF.v_4bZ60roO4Nm5b1w4nBWE6UCRBNgy0pTeRBK gyivwhWf9QzddtIyiqa.a7rKqqa0WJdrVwK_4FbYogVP87prBG0.qMI_iDMv 0aEewn4NbAD9dalVRHH31ft_J5Y7x5MRjAxizY8A6Ri5E10QN2NlRBrf5uYK 7dM9d8cZEjEQcSafR Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 12:31:58 PST U28gbXVjaCBmb3IgJ2FkZGluZyBsaWdodG5lc3MnLCBJIGd1ZXNzIQoKRGFuIEQKJzc2IEIKJzY1IEIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgTWFyY2ggMSwgMjAxMyAyOjE3IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZ3NdIFdlaWdodCBvZiBhIHQtc2VyaWVzIGJvZHkKIApIZWwBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 12:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net So much for 'adding lightness', I guess! Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body Hello Friends, Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address. Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings, running boards, dash, seats, etc.? I am about to buy an electric hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above. Thanks. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 1 19:20:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1524742845 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:20:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B791F424DE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6628 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2013 01:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2013 01:55:00 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Xl3GFC8g3UswsADpU5KT1EvWx813dq817GrCYDzJ/kw=; b=B9J/NzxZYNFxBwCyyI+CWyj8TT/ZvG1vO82HVca1P6GjqleO1E0b2lyXBcnDKjLV0AWv5vet0D/hqZLCRg6/6+f2fnvFSPHKjB0/qSjjdodaJZc7g6prIH0FQLLm3ejG; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=39494 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UBbfA-0008AG-OF for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:55:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 19:55:02 -0600 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1B33C400-8C87-43D9-A977-BB51A9522CBF@gmail.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Weight of a t-series body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 3/1/2013 2:30 PM, Blair Weiss wrote: > just the tub... Less than 100lbs... >> Blair, do you mean ONLY the 'steel' or ONLY the 'wood'; surely not BOTH assembled ? ! ? I have hauled several 'tubs' (assembled wood & steel --- NO 'holes' nor bondo ) and the HAVE exhibited noticeable drop to very good springs in either El Camino ! ? ! ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 2 18:41:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79EF429AB for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 18:41:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C9B42964 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 18:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6pCF1l0061ZXKqc56pFAmG; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 01:15:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.136] ([71.228.236.233]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6pF81l00k52pXB33hpFAx4; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 01:15:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 19:15:17 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1362273310; bh=c+S67jAwQG57+jdrxwoAg3CSTmDi0gNb8aKqUZimlm4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=sEbWDsRuNjxLAQyEjj6V8gBTTcHAPk7E6hrLl3KAe9CVs4pK64HnRCtJWuRm2QSYt gVlGN+S55I3O3xVeta8T4iIHFFZ+st7Lgtc2zL5Q8g+AgoslWTKDYw7RVlzwpjKCzR SgVJnY3fOtsRpL+Wc7VZczjqsLlEGlHHpQRA4QCYgPZzs3QRA8qhnyYwu9F0LDrxre 7Hb9FdDU6YrfL/lCjvjkapNE213fqbmQim3lcN7nE6mhrwfahV611hDCd+dWnzrr3L 5E0TtC7N3GMPj0iHtZ6wbjvGdY7dQ5LAxQ5tY7upm0QsXAX+qmaGmdjI4OXjJ1qcl/ M8T6HMgpQRm+g== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Laden or unladen? On 3/2/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:17:43 -0600 > From: Richard Lindsay > To:mgs@autox.team.net,mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Weight of a t-series body > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Friends, > > Rick Lindsay here with a new e-mail address. > > Question for those wise in the ways of science; What is the > approximate weight of a t-series car's body, stripped of trim, wings, > running boards, dash, seats, etc.? I am about to buy an electric > hoist for moving engines off of my engine stand (The lotus engine on > there now is now too heavy for other options) and I'd like to make > sure the unit is beefy enough to handle a TD body, as described above. > Thanks. > > -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 08:35:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0364054E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:35:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50C04040F for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:35:25 -0700 (MST) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=zopZFYjvPDYA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=4l1U-lg9GGZArE2vHlIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=LJoJk09jSNVEr0f+2o3L5g==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.154.161] ([151.213.154.161:54125] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id F3/85-12276-4FE06315; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:27:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:27:43 -0600 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hoo Boy! 84* & calm yesterday afternoon. Talk about top-down weather. Wandering around in just a T-shirt. didn't last though 44* now and windy as H. High is going to be 60* or so. Still, I'm glad I live in the south. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 08:49:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B3A428FA for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:49:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A935240405 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:49:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so7907547ied.2 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:42:06 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=MNetv29nyfJWtiIvM0YqWf89uzHqqdLHQ7SEmAK5KA4=; b=zYvm/8NxAbP+63TYQQEXfZI1LTmZCVtuD5A1+WmVCfrrtlWdnczgEHrZlTICaRiX89 47tq1HSUtLaZBBO0O4LM9NQlYlu+p9d6SrnR3YW7HqOxIV6F7XGzj0spJLCJv87NcPy5 ojz/KOODO5WkY7q9FyamOwr5yL5ACxWfzdGM15s55uIMBJFnJBmgr2WPWf4W3ELwI9rl 8EsQ3OF5wI/zsFftA0nPhVlyC+ZXKf3/eZ1CwTi7WteDrrhg+TC7mO9O85storkvFz6o w4EnInVoPKEOsVtCvSv9+gY0nGjcu5yf+bHU2b+6w/zyQRf0T0RFVHXj20GKL/2FIxV+ nxWg== vi6mr6691987igb.112.1362498126058; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.28.94.126] ([155.70.23.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy3sm17938785igc.10.2013.03.05.07.42.04 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:42:05 -0800 (PST) References: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com> From: Paul Root Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:42:04 -0600 To: "ccrobins@ktc.com" Cc: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's warm here too. 27! 5 new inches of snow. Trying to decide whether to get a new top (badly needed, but rarely used), a new tonneau (destroyed, and I always used a lot), or both this year. Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Hoo Boy! 84* & calm yesterday afternoon. Talk about top-down weather. Wandering around in just a T-shirt. > didn't last though 44* now and windy as H. High is going to be 60* or so. Still, I'm glad I live in the south. > > CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 09:15:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66844297D for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:15:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f51.google.com (mail-ee0-f51.google.com [74.125.83.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB0342936 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ee0-f51.google.com with SMTP id d17so4716844eek.10 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=gibGuI1Eehy7wE/RYuSyW/E7v4UxzqdwRkftU3D93c0=; b=HwdQ+Y7RUf/Q2X/xxAtgfylQtBnwDk+rBIiwEhStbCzjy1qvSGHRELhDWqYFJAGcIN gYc2rNUKNP2ZuMcdYi7KDfri5dCQadm38TlrgPDs5FIfUb5p508jywfn5gNmoDEnzRP6 evCTd774H2qdQqhv5Yt0PwU6W1YmOVJFJ9gu4ppbXS3DzEayfbDglulNaWn1TrWZvHyh ZWCMQ7lBGX8jarjY/olxvfB1Xhahn05F84D8tvbNhGinjl8eGGVyBoWcTEL0pgr2sDVJ rhAqIjCVvWqhx+wrDpLcHlpZ48i4X5IRHvo8XYALKCCAJ1qxKAJg52LJR/58yQSNMnbd c41w== p43mr71551651eem.10.1362499357629; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s3sm38122561eem.4.2013.03.05.08.02.36 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Mar 2013 08:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , References: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:47:45 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You need 84 before you only need a T-shirt? :o) Sitting in the garden in my T-shirt today - 54F. PaulH The Tropical Midlands, but further north than Newfoundland ... ----- Original Message ----- > Hoo Boy! 84* & calm yesterday afternoon. Talk about top-down > weather. Wandering around in just a T-shirt. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 5 11:34:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDCC429D7 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:34:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999144299D for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:30:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpsps-ews04.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.171]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:21:10 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.17]) by cpsps-ews04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:21:10 +0100 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:22:36 +0100 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'PaulHunt73'" References: <51360EEF.60108@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:22:38 +0100 Thread-Index: AQJbx8dxNYRpAUSgVtoqEMLypgmn3AKwmhwal2aIMtA= Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[697F7080:01CE19CE] Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net We even got more - 14 deg C -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens PaulHunt73 Verzonden: dinsdag 5 maart 2013 16:48 Aan: ccrobins@ktc.com; mgs@Autox.Team.Net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Felt Like Spring! You need 84 before you only need a T-shirt? :o) Sitting in the garden in my T-shirt today - 54F. PaulH The Tropical Midlands, but further north than Newfoundland ... ----- Original Message ----- > Hoo Boy! 84* & calm yesterday afternoon. Talk about top-down > weather. Wandering around in just a T-shirt. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 6 13:14:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75FF4245A for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:14:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A34440E42 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:10:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF1DA0FFB for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:12:02 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:12:01 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15.2 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Network outage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Had a network outage last night. I took advantage of the downtime to do a bit of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 09:47:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FE540546 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:47:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42C140435 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 16so1223071wgi.27 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 08:46:26 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=6FFS6DnAN57whWlTB/TV6ebGXtsqobC0jo7iaNm5H00=; b=Wb373kS19RWBYCgz3vMEj9TN1Z1KSFfhQMAQEWZZtx8H3+DtBtppdUBafqYgr+jYZT a4EPaDPPPK3oxqgoQucyvTmnB6eebdGfVZdEcw1BMtrFuiscNYHqKghR5a8bY6oo2nZ4 f8c06HAS5qHzTfyQ+ovAGt3fnJkOzGqMzyBItqKHfBk3E1kdOCv+NlHcoj90uVoJYMjT Jv/7/bgLPKQPnlQxsG6G4fs9PJRBl5QQ41VhKYWaGV2m5kbtb4683GD2obwAdHayV6to HNFqeUQSw/VRVIZ089pZdJo49yilIFt2VtsmdBAYP8Gb24XnF/C0lcyjnEw9kLeyerhS HXyA== o3mr35152438wix.9.1362674786543; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 08:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bj9sm34209157wib.4.2013.03.07.08.46.25 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Mar 2013 08:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Jim Ray" , , "MG-V8 List \(MG-V8 List\)" References: <56A55F1207114676885F04A926B0EE69@TheRaysPC> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:46:20 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Automatic transmission rear mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The T35 was used in the MGB 4-cylinder and there's no indication in the Parts catalogue that the rear mounts were any different to the manual. The only thing that appears to have differed (over time not between manual and auto) is the engine restraint arrangements. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Have a BW T35 transmission in my MGB and am looking for a source for the > rear transmission mount. This is the same transmission that was used in > the > MGC and many other British cars of that era. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 7 10:18:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258C840522 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:18:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 209C0403A0 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:18:12 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1362676655; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Pm31mszUfIe0dRcWlAIp0+QzRnKIqcn9OK2pfFIL2HI0s+0ESIiANIopz9GtAXc5I YvwC73kYZfv+HgFZrmnhxQDVAIJsNrZafVRiPyet0gdWzkwa/4Ibt633T9L9pZZHAu hcTL3SKd6tn0TkhQviIvQmwJJJvvcFZCUXwBwbAE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJVTU7LA4AQVTS for (sender ); Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:16:40 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:16:40 GMT To: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com Cc: mgb-v8@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Automatic transmission rear mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net John Esposito, Quantum Mechanics, in Oxford, Ct, USA, should be able to confirm this. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Jim Ray" , , "MG-V8 List \(MG-V8 List\)" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Automatic transmission rear mount Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:46:20 -0000 The T35 was used in the MGB 4-cylinder and there's no indication in the Parts catalogue that the rear mounts were any different to the manual. The only thing that appears to have differed (over time not between manual and auto) is the engine restraint arrangements. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Have a BW T35 transmission in my MGB and am looking for a source for the > rear transmission mount. This is the same transmission that was used in > the > MGC and many other British cars of that era. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 14:52:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EED40433 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:52:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DC44035A for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:48:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MJD00D6L380NBF0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:48:00 -0600 (CST) From: To: "MG List" Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:48:28 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a good friend in need of a crank pulley from an 18V motor. Moss lists them as NA. Anyone who has one and is willing to part with it let me know and I will relay the message. Thanks. Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 18:04:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEBF428CE for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:04:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from admin.nni.com (mail.cybernex.net [216.107.0.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52497428BD for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.91.61.211] (account eugeneb@nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.8) with HTTP id 486879296 for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500 From: "Eugene Balinski" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net All, I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B. They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through. I have a couple of questions; Moss has a several types of bushings. Is there one type that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads. Regarding the actual replacement - are there any "gotchas"? Any special tools required ? Should I replace the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to be realigned. Thanks in advance, Gene 80 B --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 19:12:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA8B428E6 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 19:12:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B072428C2 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 19:10:46 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1362795002; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=byP7cnvD7C/ybIUVS3qg8i2dDoReVGACUsOI+8IEYG21NXFz3Ku+h1hlFjFqS8XKN hAw08D8Z48a4P8kD+9xZtNtOFtAtFLf5Gj7ULZgawdgi98JfniWfK1R9S2PsB1ugeM ORfrO2jOS3q/UBV8GKgZCNAobxEbvNWxGpAYIX2k= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJVXGQTAJMG942 for (sender ); Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 02:08:22 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 02:08:22 GMT To: eugeneb@nni.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Gene, Choose anything other than the OEM rubber bushings. My experience with the replacement bushings, the rubber two-piece and the V8, is that five years is all you can expect from them, less if you take the car out of the garage and enjoy it. I hesitated, twice, to use the red ProThane bushings because my present MGB is a GT, and the catalogue notes that the ProThane bushings may transmit more noise. Cabin resonance in the GT I a concern. For the third buying replacement, I installed the ProThane and have been delighted with them. There is no additional noise that I can detect, and the improvement in ride and handling is significant. I always liked the GT, but always felt that this car was both stiff and lumbering. That feeling is banished. It handles much better and is much more taut under all conditions. I am changing my TD to synthetic bushings too, as the present five year old front bushings appear to be as worn as the sixty year old bushings in rear springs and shackles. Assuming that the nuts and bolts separate without damage, you won't need any new parts. But check bushing for anti sway bar and all the other bits in the front, as you don't want to remove control arms and springs any more often than necessary. It's not complicated (there are instructions easily found) but you do have to release a spring, and the spring, even on its rebound rubbers, has a lot of energy. If alignment is ok now, it should remain ok. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Eugene Balinski" To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500 All, I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B. They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through. I have a couple of questions; Moss has a several types of bushings. Is there one type that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads. Regarding the actual replacement - are there any "gotchas"? Any special tools required ? Should I replace the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to be realigned. Thanks in advance, Gene 80 B --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 8 20:06:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2EE428D4 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 20:06:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3B540433 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 20:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ro8so1844464pbb.18 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:05:32 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=fwnKrzCFciIVhh0iHxmFZMAiUZu/BovRKa2l1riAEuo=; b=dyaTv+B70uN6V5eksMrisq8/BYmZbFVDdnS+IQw0jZZnzWU+KDtq6hIu5pU2qmSl+N OqXTTOY4k9mQsB3OgxxZUaZbouTdy55GI3YH2U6M4M9nwyHSslZBdn99ks5egbzypjm+ /V6kugdSU3IKuTQIjbFXcE4L59daqZ2/UHFaMsQNpIx6Bn4JmzGj1FbWYVwaInISfwKP sLYCmvDvbaggJ+QrE91gclpGe+/CcwtgdCIwKQpL11+zW0son3DB00ePw6kdXy4rDCE8 GU/5xAxBjeScHXsKchoPbBObRyDJ1oI8y4+zypPkvSJPgGvuYwiuITzYHbdz7H99JcJZ RWaw== na5mr7695094pbc.71.1362798332371; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.23.182.139] (mobile-166-137-177-168.mycingular.net. [166.137.177.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ax3sm7893096pbd.42.2013.03.08.19.05.30 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:05:31 -0800 (PST) References: From: Richard Ewald Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 19:05:25 -0800 To: Eugene Balinski Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The prime gotcha is the suspension has to be at normal ride height when you tighten it up. If you let the wheels hang when you tighten everything up the bushings will tear when the suspension compresses. So figure out someway to have the suspension at normal ride height ramps are one way. Have fun Rick Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2013, at 17:02, "Eugene Balinski" wrote: > All, > > I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B. > They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through. > I have a couple of questions; > > Moss has a several types of bushings. Is there one type > that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that > puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads. > > Regarding the actual replacement - are there any > "gotchas"? Any special tools required ? Should I replace > the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to > be realigned. > > Thanks in advance, > > Gene > 80 B > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. > http://www.nni.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 04:25:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C518A4042F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 04:25:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5154D4042F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 04:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpsps-ews11.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.178]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:21:02 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews11.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:21:02 +0100 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:22:29 +0100 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: , References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:22:34 +0100 Thread-Index: AQInv56KVwBN/fCxRe/lq5ON97M7/Zfp8EAg Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[62BCE5B0:01CE1CB8] Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well. No sounds are produced, because it still is based on a rubber compound. ProThane bushings are very hard, so hardly absorb any vibrations. I used to press them in with a B&D Workmate, after applying Vaseline to the outer side of the bushing and the place where it is pressed into. Vaseline also is good against the rubber to dry out. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens mgbob@juno.com Verzonden: zaterdag 9 maart 2013 3:08 Aan: eugeneb@nni.com CC: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Gene, Choose anything other than the OEM rubber bushings. My experience with the replacement bushings, the rubber two-piece and the V8, is that five years is all you can expect from them, less if you take the car out of the garage and enjoy it. I hesitated, twice, to use the red ProThane bushings because my present MGB is a GT, and the catalogue notes that the ProThane bushings may transmit more noise. Cabin resonance in the GT I a concern. For the third buying replacement, I installed the ProThane and have been delighted with them. There is no additional noise that I can detect, and the improvement in ride and handling is significant. I always liked the GT, but always felt that this car was both stiff and lumbering. That feeling is banished. It handles much better and is much more taut under all conditions. I am changing my TD to synthetic bushings too, as the present five year old front bushings appear to be as worn as the sixty year old bushings in rear springs and shackles. Assuming that the nuts and bolts separate without damage, you won't need any new parts. But check bushing for anti sway bar and all the other bits in the front, as you don't want to remove control arms and springs any more often than necessary. It's not complicated (there are instructions easily found) but you do have to release a spring, and the spring, even on its rebound rubbers, has a lot of energy. If alignment is ok now, it should remain ok. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Eugene Balinski" To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500 All, I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B. They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through. I have a couple of questions; Moss has a several types of bushings. Is there one type that is preferred, and why ? I am an average driver that puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, mostly back roads. Regarding the actual replacement - are there any "gotchas"? Any special tools required ? Should I replace the hardware as well as the bushings ? Will the FE need to be realigned. Thanks in advance, Gene 80 B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 07:11:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B388542919 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:11:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187F940EE2 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p43so2108364wea.10 for ; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:10:34 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=nFpIvU+VECCYsB9BeDv9PcBdgVtewizxWZV3rxTPuSw=; b=OHD7hJ1rWHjmjaVISvjC5jqoy3G0SC20NcSbFs+mvZR7nuMPOx1F0MOl6znCQl5WOO ZH9bve+9cts4yFcKWWDnrslsqd/PspB5OG4Y9ZyLg1+1qeiWXlpwZsDog16cgRdA8wuV 6iFvotRqebOnlBHhymWp1lHT+OxHBke/XzawTMtXYl0b2CTLCX5GlRI1Buc7kAhhydDj cV64iiC5rn5y62Pub1+GSz534GClhd8Zi9uLaKVnrjmHjkuedXQ86c81tyHJnRk4eOMr 39FrY8zFba4DGtuVndt9Jj5WB1naErfEuQrnWEvIFCxv71KbOj+2nu5FJDR+4MZjF8+6 xhLw== cp7mr10072339wjb.19.1362838234556; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fb8sm4873352wid.1.2013.03.09.06.10.33 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:54:43 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ditto, I've done 100k in the V8 and not changed them, and the car has done over 200k. If they were bad it would be an MOT failure. I replaced the A-arms on the roadster and use V8 bushes on that, they are probably still just bedding-in after 15 years and 30k or so. Still, one man's, erm, rubber is possibly different to another's. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 07:30:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EB942910 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:30:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9397340EE2 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id c13so3118710ieb.37 for ; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Ek80X8wl66CXs49jW1qQCzoeOswtKRwJoqLvKhB4ZFg=; b=PfvkH4cPQZVWu67YAFyOWLtFfF8PfsJCJB+9WynxW+6+4pChZWOVmJsMTkg+rDnc8B X/Gwd+k8Rr/FwPTTsmlNBmVEBkvoCwE14tPwRdoCoomMHaJPWzjtNmOMF99qz1z7SOsP GhN9c4IDfn33dG6YunGF0I37PyaOyhV6hrIjk4eo9ELI50UmhP68Z8WJTOd8blCDAMhm Q4avJW9hH7rmmG+HCwabYQVTPm0hro6ru2gI7JnmfoeA+s0KPdQMlEQ8u+go9bQVRJKN pLbUICX70kgjxBxtZwl/2u4n/XMhkAGgqs4Sg8PbkZoKjaYJBjgJ8f/JOF+iTL3qmcFj 5tRg== p5mr2437565igl.75.1362839365558; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (65-128-188-204.mpls.qwest.net. [65.128.188.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ua6sm4067524igb.0.2013.03.09.06.29.24 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Root Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:29:23 -0600 References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl> To: "Hans Duinhoven" Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I redid my suspension, 9 years ago, the year after I got it. The a-arms were also bad and I replaced them, and of course, the king pins. My poor car had been neglected. I got the negitive camber a-arms. It had V8 bushings that were still in good shape, I have them in a box somewhere. I replaced everything with the red prothane, and have be very happy with them. They are not harsh in my opinion. If I remember correctly, I got all the bushings at Summit Racing. At the time, Moss only had the a-arm bushes. Paul. On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:22 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well. > No sounds are produced, because it still is based on a rubber compound. > ProThane bushings are very hard, so hardly absorb any vibrations. > > I used to press them in with a B&D Workmate, after applying Vaseline to the > outer side of the bushing and the place where it is pressed into. > Vaseline also is good against the rubber to dry out. > > Cheers, > Hans > 71 BGT > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens > mgbob@juno.com > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 maart 2013 3:08 > Aan: eugeneb@nni.com > CC: mgs@autox.team.net > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) > > Gene, > Choose anything other than the OEM rubber bushings. My experience with the > replacement bushings, the rubber two-piece and the V8, is that five years is > all you can expect from them, less if you take the car out of the garage and > enjoy it. > I hesitated, twice, to use the red ProThane bushings because my present > MGB is a GT, and the catalogue notes that the ProThane bushings may transmit > more noise. Cabin resonance in the GT I a concern. > For the third buying replacement, I installed the ProThane and have been > delighted with them. There is no additional noise that I can detect, and the > improvement in ride and handling is significant. I always liked the GT, but > always felt that this car was both stiff and lumbering. That feeling is > banished. It handles much better and is much more taut under all conditions. > I am changing my TD to synthetic bushings too, as the present five year > old front bushings appear to be as worn as the sixty year old bushings in > rear springs and shackles. > Assuming that the nuts and bolts separate without damage, you won't need > any new parts. But check bushing for anti sway bar and all the other bits in > the front, as you don't want to remove control arms and springs any more > often than necessary. It's not complicated (there are instructions easily > found) but you do have to release a spring, and the spring, even on its > rebound rubbers, has a lot of energy. > If alignment is ok now, it should remain ok. > Bob > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Eugene Balinski" > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) > Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:02:59 -0500 > > All, > > I need to replace the rubber FE bushings on my 1980 B. > They are egg shaped and I think are ready to break through. > I have a couple of questions; > > Moss has a several types of bushings. Is there one type that is preferred, > and why ? I am an average driver that puts on about 1-2 k miles a year, > mostly back roads. > > Regarding the actual replacement - are there any "gotchas"? Any special > tools required ? Should I replace the hardware as well as the bushings ? > Will the FE need to be realigned. > > Thanks in advance, > > Gene > 80 B > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 07:48:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF48742910 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:48:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEAA4052A for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from e120-pool-d89a5e9a.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.94.154] helo=tower.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UEL3p-0002qI-6x; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:47:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 09:34:23 -0500 To: "PaulHunt73" From: Barrie Robinson References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl> <58D094A072204F66A505FB0B70A35B44@paul> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I used the V8 bushings from Moss because I did not like the murmurings that polywally things would be noisy. This despite me soundproofing my GT V8 with a lot of stuff (my own developed soundproofing which is 1/4 the price of Dynamat and twice as effective). They are fine after 5 or more years and no signs of deterioration. It may be that those pollywally things are pushed by suppliers because the markup is so high. You can make them yourself for pennies so in bulk they probably are less than a penny each but sold for relatively big wallops of cash. At 01:54 PM 3/9/2013 +0000, PaulHunt73 wrote: >Ditto, I've done 100k in the V8 and not changed them, and the car >has done over 200k. If they were bad it would be an MOT failure. I >replaced the A-arms on the roadster and use V8 bushes on that, they >are probably still just bedding-in after 15 years and 30k or so. > >Still, one man's, erm, rubber is possibly different to another's. > > >PaulH. > >----- Original Message ----- >>I have V8 bushings for 20 years in my GT and these last very well. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 09:09:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C5E4290F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 09:09:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout13.eigbox.net (bosmailout13.eigbox.net [66.96.189.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C34640520 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 09:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from bosmailscan14.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.14]) by bosmailout13.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UEMJn-00053m-Jm for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:08:19 -0500 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan14.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UEMJn-0006ZD-Ek for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:08:19 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp03.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.3]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id 9U8K1l00403yW7601U8K4d; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:08:19 -0500 a=iQYlj5gX+Tcpqwg+Pi7fPA==:17 a=5ISJ8dbWO_sA:10 a=GTJ8fiYf7_UA:10 a=hj_9IMGBdl4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=yfEddvT5AAAA:8 a=l00sEwmVUF0A:10 a=rfyEsJZOedhieIEFIrgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6uKCkKhFq2wXOH2GoQX8aA==:117 Received: from h172.154.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net ([98.19.154.172] helo=[192.168.254.4]) by bosauthsmtp03.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1UEMJl-0008AN-9E for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:08:17 -0500 References: <20130308.210822.31047.2@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> <004e01ce1cb8$65a315b0$30e94110$@planet.nl> <58D094A072204F66A505FB0B70A35B44@paul> From: Matt Trebelhorn Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:08:15 -0500 To: MGS List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net V8 bushings -- even if assembled with anti-sieze -- can and do rust to the pivot shaft. Disassembly is not simple. After learning that lesson, the only choice for me is the poly bushings. No complaints about how they feel, they seem to have a decent life span, and -- having no metal -- aren't going to rust in place. Matt _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 12:33:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B764940544 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:33:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C754051C for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:32:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from 3capp-gmx-bs62.server.lan ([172.19.170.146]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mh7vz-1URQCg3Vez-00MMTo; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 20:32:03 +0100 Received: from [82.156.208.140] by 3capp-gmx-bs62.server.lan with HTTP; Sat Mar 09 20:32:03 CET 2013 From: "Bert Palte" To: "Eugene Balinski" Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:32:03 +0100 (CET) Sensitivity: Normal References: xHijjAEqIExEQwRdHIxEDmXeasnET1nIQXH2LIgfymOWxyPLBc YKqaWLzqUdhoVTqDqp14JpyDpo04gKf16zAuWAyg5sKrJrnL4A 1uKWlXKkwzLKuNyejRHt/fJuIcdgWyzNAJ7RISg4GqsU41+rII xV0kF8ubha76/0Q+M5BwB3MSW1M3RGuFltX+CLtNwbB68VfFbv fikSSY3zOQu/TXAAVcED+GXyAwId12xMzP9hgk/+xRa4IiWLu2 HZpE9c= Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 15:53:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD3942911 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:53:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9DD42854 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:53:37 -0700 (MST) cv=asOxBwkBAZGV0T+WtrXzpfep39GF0kV392HEIHOPyDY= c=1 sm=0 a=zopZFYjvPDYA:10 a=GTJ8fiYf7_UA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8wQyRBnK3UwecblpcF8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=LJoJk09jSNVEr0f+2o3L5g==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.154.161] ([151.213.154.161:54015] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id EE/8B-08543-14DBB315; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 17:52:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0600 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Eugene Balinski References: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I used the V8 bushings over 6 years ago. No problems to date. My B had the stock bushings - what was left of them. Had to replace the pivot shafts due to rust. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 15:56:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8287842916 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:56:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407BF42854 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 15:56:31 -0700 (MST) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=zopZFYjvPDYA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=qOnTC2h2YrnpcG0cj34A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=LJoJk09jSNVEr0f+2o3L5g==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.154.161] ([151.213.154.161:54034] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id F2/BF-05157-FEDBB315; Sat, 09 Mar 2013 17:55:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:55:30 -0600 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Mark J Bradakis References: <5137A311.2000909@bradakis.com> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Network outage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hah! No wonder I got a bounce message. Keep up the good work, Mark! CR On 3/6/2013 2:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Had a network outage last night. I took advantage of the downtime to > do a bit > of work on the server, got the forums [ link below ] working once again. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 9 16:01:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B134742929 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:01:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683B14054F for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BF0A10AE for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2013 16:02:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:02:29 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: MG List References: <5137A311.2000909@bradakis.com> <513BBDE2.2070905@ktc.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Network outage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I hope to get the forums updated this weekend so folks can actually register once again. We shall see. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 09:41:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7745E406B1 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:41:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2842A4053E for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9nyL1l00A1YDfWL53reoqn; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:38:48 +0000 Received: from sz0143.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9reo1l00i2ymm843greoEw; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:38:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 15:38:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Ron Shellenberger To: mgs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1362929928; bh=u8dK6TKTtZLW8Vo061E/BHzeJbH0DV5EUR/qgb8VHwE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kw09THbCaPkO2Z66xeTe1SqcHEWP3hgZvNU2oFUlpP6dHfPYiyEsNHww1EF2GBN2R pH25/xMwaraogqAFtATVLSy2eEI93U0K6l+a/EjUSCELpIIWeKi9kcfrHZzWTdiV9s 6joJkbqk3BKiPT/XCs7EcqSfoDKXIJqNy/00SHQ/V2VA5V7/UTZHibXETsm0sIgs35 BzsnkvfD7NqGrnpot4i8xJH0izmEOBjIbbNKlcbEtWstJizcDg8Z3rjp3vO8oMW19B jx2ZOQzpeet5z7i2kcjvvkR4GGVQfF8E4FCpFhtzMuVXXD6bVJgXWqo9MvmugQ010K DFH5nL3YuKbgA== Subject: [Mgs] Front End Re-Bushing (Late B) (Barrie Robinson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Barrie, Interested in your self-made sound proofing. Willing to share the details? B I have a 41Ford on the front burner and 2 B's and a Volvo waiting on back burners that will need it Ron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 10 10:06:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552AF4042B for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E24B40421 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.132]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 77BA01C000057 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.174.88.145] (mobile-198-228-207-082.mycingular.net [198.228.207.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 22F51E0000A0 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: John Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:04:49 -0400 To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1362931495; bh=Xhvdyd6fDT8v7wdotYUFT1hkgAR19JOPTQu5QnfB6i0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=kDSTV49TLWE7UgzEKW8lQdy0ghAzLu6n9ZVEoGb5jf2L1NF0a7e16a9rONMPZUL8p 4vjy1a08pQrBLFy8EEWrfJBYtbnpWSjlMNbajVQyflAo1llwx753pihYPP8gzrdFAh 3Q2hx0l6Q0vCglSq7bxJp4ffVK6Sr2RrjW0ZNf0s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3384513caf250119 Subject: [Mgs] Initial HS2 carb setting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 05:27:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A17A403F9 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 05:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5E5403F0 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 05:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 3capp-gmx-bs46.server.lan ([172.19.170.98]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lmhpd-1Unt8s30hn-00aDb7 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:25:45 +0100 Received: from [82.156.208.140] by 3capp-gmx-bs46.server.lan with HTTP; Tue Mar 12 12:25:45 CET 2013 From: "Bert Palte" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:25:45 +0100 (CET) Sensitivity: Normal tJ+X0W8c1wbY+9r6hWcFBpI5xv88A1FfHoIPKA+SrYm1MfFYf2 hOOJoDbTX/wy6ea0/yZ3eUCG8LInQ/I2MuSi4BIm1FLVM4kmnF kMO267iU0qB6AgOK61AbsVdGsbRIYnP7S07qwfaRf094WNgRjl 8fi/Nk9SH+cxAHNV/8kX0IJhvPppcXUX1J3KRE7m8WB3J5bLa/ CZkBHiAIrON2sYc+S9TcNOnbKZKfuapQvvzaZJ//mI5bAuPqZr Kkzt60= Subject: [Mgs] Bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 06:23:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE0B4041B for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02.online.nl (smtp02.online.nl [194.134.41.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F93403C7 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B04A1EF for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:21:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from BertsNieuwePC.vortexsoest.nl (s529cd08c.adsl.online.nl [82.156.208.140]) by smtp02.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:21:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:22:10 +0100 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Bert Palte Subject: [Mgs] Bushings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 06:24:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99126403F1 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:24:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00501403F1 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 3capp-gmx-bs46.server.lan ([172.19.170.98]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MPKAQ-1UAyNx1BvU-004RJ7 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:23:25 +0100 Received: from [82.156.208.140] by 3capp-gmx-bs46.server.lan with HTTP; Tue Mar 12 13:23:25 CET 2013 From: "Bert Palte" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:23:25 +0100 (CET) Sensitivity: Normal vvUoxgTvUMpkXbAqUj7xcRvMT8e3dxeSPGIB69I+O7CwWOO23r 9V/g+Q8davfpHRo191xXaHJNMcm4y+kukAkg9rOU5zzwsn/p2O 7MMISrdXU/OCWesIL3bhBOBorcfdqZDc++Q46ONWVUJx9KuDJJ M43G4qlcfus/4mQnhmHEGrXXy0VeVWiag0dfmibqUXeAeM6YWF 6V7slacMb0NHBlMLHeE9JMS/swAv0ZQTY1Cw1WArw+WR9By6jm TbBiY8= Subject: [Mgs] help! Can't send any messages.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 14:04:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CEC40411 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:04:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD48403E6 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:04:10 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=zopZFYjvPDYA:10 a=KPsWOBtHIhoA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=AJEwVkp9QlJm8pRz74cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=NWXXSFEQ6AInKY2n0gizCQ==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.245] ([72.172.26.245:51294] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id E6/30-05157-BF98F315; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:03:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:03:02 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Bert Palte References: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] help! Can't send any messages.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmmm, works for me. Is your regular Email working? CR On 3/12/2013 7:23 AM, Bert Palte wrote: > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 14:08:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A5040424 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E651E403FE for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1481A1455 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:09:00 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] help! Can't send any messages.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Your email program is sending out poorly formatted HTML, the HTML to text filter can't decipher it. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 12 23:12:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B8A40449 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608354053D for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F895A145D for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:12:24 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Forums Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 14 18:39:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB4640432 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com (imr-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C12A40425 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9F3C238000102 for ; 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14 Mar 2013 19:19:32 -0700 PDT From: "Larry Daniels" To: "MG List" , Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:19:22 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Weber 42 DCOE for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a brand new Weber 42 DCOE sidedraft carb for sale. My plans have changed and I no longer have the car I was going to put it on. Asking $275 OBO. Larry Daniels _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 15 16:40:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9504E4296D for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B34295C; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (174-125-40-224.dyn.centurytel.net [174.125.40.224]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2FMd2TV005132; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:39:03 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: , References: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:39:04 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4hxzV+axeKBVxWQgWHxXJGJ8Bf/wABpO8Q a=kbIzP_QZdusA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=E4W+jDZciggjRdNXfyTtaA==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9Ex4zUuCl4VRPrZDG7kA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=bebMNNjQCaXeUdlO:21 a=11-COE59V7HcOSHV:21 a=E4W+jDZciggjRdNXfyTtaA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Rick, My advice, which might be worth 2p on a good day, is to purchase a unit with much more capacity than you think you might need. The difference in cost won't be that much and you will have a greater safety margin and increased capability. My reasoning is that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have. Good luck, David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:50 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight Hello Friends, I'm about to buy a hoist for my garage but I don't want to buy one much bigger than I will ever need. B This leads me to ask the weight of an XPAG engine with gearbox attached, but otherwise stripped as per the workshop manual. B Please advise if you know the weight, or have a good estimate. B Thank you. -rick, in Houston. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 15 18:37:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600F542A21 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C8D940326 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:16:15 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1363392874; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Uw3dmpALNK8CbbpFRiCzEcTlXfldkF0U7KTKN7nDaVMKES+x9XOQB5AFtHHrzab8U 3of8pyxAlPhIG5tMdO8zc0rgfPtWbbW0+/RyaAJC2llsr7vUNEOJu9Wr0yFQR8tAl8 /xLPQQ6AK7gtUqUp9mZlziGp/oXtyzvTLcb7dNY8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJWHQLJANXSQDA for (sender ); Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:12:23 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:12:23 GMT To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, Engine and gearbox have been thought to weigh approx 450, though someone recently weighed the assembly and found it somewhat less. 500 lbs capacity is the smallest chain hoist I have seen. It would do the job and could be handy for picking up the lawn mower for its maintenance, unless you move north, in which case it could pick up the snow blower for maintenance also. Engine lifting cranes are much easier to use. HF is currently offering a folding one at $180, and its levelling device for $35. Might someone in your club have one you could borrow?Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:50:24 -0500 Hello Friends, I'm about to buy a hoist for my garage but I don't want to buy one much bigger than I will ever need. B This leads me to ask the weight of an XPAG engine with gearbox attached, but otherwise stripped as per the workshop manual. B Please advise if you know the weight, or have a good estimate. B Thank you. -rick, in Houston. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 04:14:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE6642F33 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E851242F28 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:14:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ez12so1199498wid.12 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=/RxP/mLzRUCMnr0HMR1jsbHDeewiXoH+lGYCWlfp+os=; b=cgLDG/qKPnrp2E1i44qMgD0gRB3AR+/lEgqwwhsBaV+HtCVsCMs5+/UsLBEscOENEV HxnaUxKTMkUJXaP6WV+QqW2D5AFy6HZnSTPwPSixr5xH12IJZEXfdCYuPSWHQOqHlQqW TTarzeCB8z7/t5s+s3HcNcXWqdbsn4fsVSBnWB3F+J0itMuavoLm/urNgRfmYgQ87/i2 4rATrWx35a/Z6Vu9ubsnx9IUFX+C8HKsc414Tp0CooNQr+3qiD9ye0pJaHdLsuEd9voA 4VMDZB/9cG7V68ktVKRtiE4AArUvvmT0zGfelLSEwMF9csbRNGkpkyJh5Z7+/IkNADbD Ug2w== y18mr7635117wij.10.1363428773715; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ej8sm2455727wib.9.2013.03.16.03.12.52 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <9E145D77E10D4EE191FEC4A2D21FF460@YOURF3E40984A8> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:54:23 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] XPAG engine + gearbox weight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Didn't see the question but if this is a trolley hoist and not a roof hoist I'd also advise comparing the width and height of the legs of the hoist with your front suspension, a pal has had to put his front wheels on blocks so the legs would fit under the spring pans. Also check the extension of the boom, when getting the engine out of a rubber bumper B I had to go in from the side as even at full extent the hoist hit the front of the car before the hook was over the middle of the engine. That entailed dragging the whole lot sideways, against the run of the wheels of course, to get the engine on and off the gearbox shaft. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > My advice, which might be worth 2p on a good day, is to purchase a unit > with > much more capacity than you think you might need.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 11:05:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD0743065 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A0842F72 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 17:04:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.212] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 17:04:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 17:04:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363453470; bh=VDxWjGrLpJtJ7VutUegSsXrBiBewcblSSxAoMkx4xIc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=uBc6SmgLX3/ovKiQWZsU47kU3diNKxHWUyWe40A51qZlxYi2R4ENUqlLlmq4HasjrxCWkdbUxxMo1VZpV5/4zNyci53Us8MtmYu/qacTKNFSEpZz0uebmFjW1SlWBoCuixh86PNaRLHgr46JSyM77Ri7kXTBjKh69dYiF3aGqT4= pI5vzdiXR2yL.Vip8HMVs_UiM7_mGe6j9N.UCt1XZb.PYUoe_09X6jsG.mfU I6ET1oGRLhwAEgkhLwxAB40ut1aXfPG6jGB966c.g45ALPzi5TGxavn4cMKn WWaqFUrg.Ba13ZBPuba9nSk5y0hRkmbUokq.HgKZwnogpPQLZyUQjX9kLv6O d3CGY90s_P4NuzL.pq_O1_mOnfjQA5uPBRVxcEuh2GCItfZjKyFMiD.OV28Y VwdMrQDcnVdJuBgj8KhiXaXSCXnyMmLnqGhVYcC1VA7TfpMWIcQpyXkrpa2e JGH9IprMI9s8ivic113C0CIV9UCxv1i.cOqCVO3sQLxTy5.ny8UlTd.1LBpw eo2xUpVU3wNxSi7Y5dvegbfmF_O923VYzpoYNt.teoBTNOnoKVJm8zq.xie5 0lyNcpB_aapBUNb4DhQD2fQ-- smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 10:04:29 -0700 PDT From: "Larry Daniels" To: "Spridgets List" , "MG List" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:04:17 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 11:11:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24244316A for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3B742FBA for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 17:09:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.244] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 17:09:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 17:09:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363453797; bh=3M27SlpAWyn3SL/Phz1vdP/LHSPUs0+PpU4UB6/G8uY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=y8GoOOF6SUUdYzDkdfh5myWjDacE+oiUAjs6N52w7Kw5OMf862XP8RMspJBqky2+A1ja6RllOmanPecrtVw2uMbiMkFiezFJt3eh+fXsrdOviPQ4B7f9MWJwPfVoy+qaNCSWsj5bbu7x1tuMk7BpDAV5IISVE68U71ya3mN3VQo= FQiFxNLNWzA_E5NKM6Ru5FJc0Rr5dQYnQU9_UXxAgxmJTLk4pfu5FOqEAzVE zNcv80zLl3jBSw2q4NLhcsbxjFmK0G0I_soCvWgo5RmQfxvFkmq3EcilRbjX v_TpRXD56UuttNU47b7xKR1EAGLbhLMrspubctJEhZom09LTfI.3pY0GjX8T tgSmXWHCOMRVF1RTkxWwVKtZBAmX4jaI00SceP3Ge52mvNnQ6gBw9Q4IA2YN 36RxdWHC5Tss_e2M_NwwtE5_PBKtVRzi1y6Ic3fNrBydVUANlVt9hKek7i3P hWSK8ty1guX7d_U4RPWL1w7Dp7mqoK2X07BWfIk01K5_TLE6njGKtTY3bqoj 0Xt4NuuOGgoqr3tj3ZzLc1c_L8PSzCy3kdNtuCT4zPh.xRZmwpXJMeMtAqlq aU_K79g364Nsqhwrrz9kn3Zx.zOGKMGc- Received: from HomePC (ladaniels@75.47.64.28 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 10:09:57 -0700 PDT From: "Larry Daniels" To: "MG List" Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:09:45 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] Weber 42 DCOE for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a brand new Weber 42 DCOE sidedraft carb for sale. My plans have changed and I no longer have the car I was going to put it on. Asking $275 OBO. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 17:14:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A89431AB for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B4D43153 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-242.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r2GND6sR012654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:13:08 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:12:59 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Spurned an offer Thread-Index: Ac4im8y01y55sFj5D02qnjWooj6eQA== Subject: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 18:33:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200F8431EE for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7484041A for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id bv4so1037350qab.10 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:31:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=DD8YeapP/BMaQOJZ0mQLzAqvONr3N+KrQj5iQVy01fY=; b=oN+yikGidx/ZOIF3+z2Fe7uE4BsGQ7ATNddFZJSs63cgMGMJAazMWQ785adJIf6mS2 +SOVUUcXNPRAmCM+CsAn1gp7VyDAqVPuqPbAXxyHOykjeZAjaSfKQOyo10+GAU57ecRe gdz32BZNyVA5Pv4wqriMh2t6QBSq+sFIw1Qt4oBx4hWwvZnPpnOIkIZ/6Z3AdxRKXB9b Qo+Bst9Ku8rOt+3ir9nOw8Uuzbs/QXCv0lF1r6II7HFQYqeHhExvEiS/cqOnLBQ1j9w3 MCkZa7U5CZ23A9WSfcNqnL3MQc0onNDelL1ndE8Ao4bIZXrMMtjknCJt7B0BkhU7hJkL GdPA== h12mr13407280qad.73.1363480297355; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.106.130 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.106.130 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:31:37 -0500 From: Paul Root To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got him to leave. It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car. On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" wrote: Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 18:50:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6E4431E1 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A774A431CA for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=melfrankus@carolina.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=LBfWtIcjipwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mHr6GJ5fAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bf-_yP-oxiLyTkjpcaEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PPoi31BriXMA:10 a=rBdLAW9DJhhLjNqu4ZrqxQ==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.93] ([10.127.132.93:57893] helo=cdptpa-web02-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id FD/16-25887-5E215415; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:48:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 0:48:37 +0000 From: To: Max Heim , Paul Root Sensitivity: Normal Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am appreciative when I drive my MG and someone not only says "nice car, yada, yada, yada" but also inquires about "buying" I've had this one around 30 years but when I sell it I don't care what they change, modify or alter. And if it stopped running and broke down, unlike Paul, cash would be king. Fortunately, mine does not break down (yet) Mel - --- Paul Root wrote: > I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He > was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that > everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got > him to leave. > > It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on > the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car. > On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" wrote: > > Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my > MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window > and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" > > I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." > > But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for > it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell > it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/melfrankus@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 16 18:50:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A4A431E2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9238431EC for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=melfrankus@carolina.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=LBfWtIcjipwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mHr6GJ5fAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bf-_yP-oxiLyTkjpcaEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PPoi31BriXMA:10 a=rBdLAW9DJhhLjNqu4ZrqxQ==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.93] ([10.127.132.93:57896] helo=cdptpa-web02-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 59/E5-04559-EE215415; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:48:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:48:46 -0400 From: To: Max Heim , Paul Root Sensitivity: Normal Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am appreciative when I drive my MG and someone not only says "nice car, yada, yada, yada" but also inquires about "buying" I've had this one around 30 years but when I sell it I don't care what they change, modify or alter. And if it stopped running and broke down, unlike Paul, cash would be king. Fortunately, mine does not break down (yet) Mel - --- Paul Root wrote: > I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He > was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that > everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got > him to leave. > > It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on > the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car. > On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" wrote: > > Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my > MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window > and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" > > I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." > > But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for > it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell > it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/melfrankus@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 17 19:44:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1394255B for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A65B40E9B; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:38:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id eh20so4773791obb.22 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:37:19 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=W3OGrbX0pFjaCdYKm32V7A1A4NaXV3sGnEY2Zx6QcKw=; b=fDT93/Devq5YHXRsvuKmE44505oKuYJX5jsqN3izGtnVboBuFwCqdnu0uzPBJ+FDtg nxunsNga0LhppQOyqbYz0rwsycFXfJCmqstjrkTQzbl/teBNfoxbAvdYXe/UkkxMem0q s0LSw7uWlJV7gNdjpYaZ3BoCvsGBiYzKeM0kONJmlc9C9qOfGqBA9X/YEt9Ia9hcPrZZ ObivrP3X54JRN4kRFITpRL5usY3PtHgHYKkCX6OGVDxf7KlvncvqC1Jknm2ZwCbvXxxz EtYYXOo0Cs1ZkAhEtyhJGoEdwou9VKXN3ZJ+l/+24a7A3vwld+s1+kg6Pbj21Vz/uyEB Ch6g== c10mr6204778oeg.12.1363570639568; Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5843877obj.7.2013.03.17.18.37.17 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:37:15 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mark@bradakis.com, mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Back in the club Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you Mark. B A few years ago I bought a domain and disk space where I store photos to share. B I look forward to sharing AND learning. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Mark J Bradakis Date: 03/17/2013 8:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mgs@autox.team.net,mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Back in the club Very nice. As a reminder the email lists do not allow pictures, but the forums [ link below ] do allow them.B Keep us posted, one way or another. mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 05:04:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50254249B for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm37-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0D540E40 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm37.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 10:58:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.236] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 10:58:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2013 10:58:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 55490 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2013 10:58:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363604330; bh=s1369EOmkGBaNOL3YlxFuBJmL2jAYtFqFdCbLZX+wEw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E/BthU0A2Mp+wsRhd+SO0ZhFckOnjRduEjnpLy/USOP3fxS9y6rc09qYVxecCt22rva6Tv2JOIrKID/jpWrmelC6fHzOkZYiiqhHqbWjcbA7iXPpf6mFbshCbYhbdJFps/pGDym+PV9kozx3GmUoUurXUCPYz+CWUDHA4BjD7/s= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QnqSbA6uDMVF9N+BxbtmnIOqQhErZfR9a++MAc3e9bf2eWVbXHiI8rAOWTTDWDb78lDeu+ZeZEnFRJ0s8coze9LkLY4WU9lESiOU+6faeW0vN/ZscvNx0dJM3RJoM5b0qQtQaUBHY6Zcg0vBZiTj5YkE/BAoKFnO04bPq1wlleQ=; raGwbhwkSTqfWc1RVmNy7evHE.r6uI32O5o6icg7ATJfN1kFAcR7T53r3se. uwsDZPK5YUPpkN52zFET37J2if9ehA59ZUbqj2QStAoDbsHUEh040KMGfhJe oi8WKMWkkQMP5c16m2KodOML9CXcrIVDcsID_zrvBtQcr0ZcrSoSjnz_yqt. 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Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: [Mgs] Back in the club Hello Friends, A couple of weeks ago I wrote the the MGS List asking if anyone was interested in trading a T-Series car for my '69 Silver Shadow. Truth is, I wanted a T-Series but didn't really want to get rid of my R-R. At the time I was thinking of a restored T-Series for my restored Silver Shadow. Esteemed MGS Listmember, Mr. Bill Schooler, wrote to me offering an alternative. Bill stated that he has two '53 MG TDs ready for restoration, one LHD and one RHD - and both cars are for sale! I live in Houston where driving is a death sport, so a RHD car, however special, is just not ideal. The RHD car is still available. And in that statement is an easy clue. I have bought the LHD car from Bill. I am once again, a proud MG owner. The car I bought from Bill is complete and mostly original - exactly the way I like my projects to start. As time goes on, I hope to share with you, stories and pictures of the restoration of this car. And since Bill has a RHD '53 MG TD for sale, I encourage someone here to buy it and undertake a parallel restoration effort! With happiness to be back in the club, Rick Lindsay, Houston, TX PS: It is rumored that Bill may have an MGA for sale too! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 11:00:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC3E4226E for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94C64041B for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D1i41l0070mv7h05B4yX6B; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:58:31 +0000 Received: from sz0052.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id D4yX1l00R2xV5no3X4yXfp; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:58:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:58:31 +0000 (UTC) From: dontoy@comcast.net To: mgs@autox.team.net (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1363625911; bh=DTe2gVqvuJQHr0t9TIxDwAHuNVAeUtaqqSueqXxbcDg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=a3DXZy9DOTxi03W+enA122w9L0mcYgL6x39l6JMI1bWEUtCVrCFPaSJk1q97PeA5N qx9EhL0NU0x/7cJRi0B3CtPXnAZfooV3ZFpZ2iqXcg1wagLEinhTXsNa57dnt0Drsn ARfDt+LgrewojDBFuKMD2a3GX/BOCW5RuZ/HOSAfKVCS7HtSL664w8DhVhng6zSeY9 CfU8tGFvfSHpsO06WoR65Rxr0+hd5Fg5QrOXDIcymmyiWMSENk6QqTseTkcRVUCpGZ Av80mUsWcSffXxxDaI/egRkeInD/Tq9M9Z0tczNpxkNVG2SznIrOsNVnxXkYPNJOtT G6gqJh2ZigJHg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My father drove my TF home from Pittsburgh in 1971 for $1750. The TF was the thing that bonded my father and I. He golfed and played cards. I never did get bit by the golf bug. We sure did enjoy our wrench turning sessions in the garage. I can't imagine any circumstances that would cause me to sell the MG, his spirit lives there. It lives in all the bodges that I still work to undo, it lives in the Moss red vinyl interior he installed. People used to inquire about me selling. No one has for years. I think they can tell. Might have something to do with the shit eating grin I'm sporting while behind the wheel. Donald J. Toy "all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 11:44:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB9542588 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6143340E5E for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:41:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-89.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.89]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r2IHe0oc028722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:40:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:26:02 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Thread-Index: Ac4j/amiTylRuI/+bEiAijoJGosCMw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe I should have included a little context. Back when my MG actually looked nice, yeah, I was flattered when people wanted to buy it. Probably some of them were sincere. But I really suspect they would have backed off after closer inspection. But now that it's in primer (mostly), with rust bubbles and a bashed-up front end, I figure that any unsolicited offers coming from persons that don't even know what kind of car it is are not to be taken seriously. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/16/13 5:48 PM, melfrankus@carolina.rr.com at melfrankus@carolina.rr.com wrote: > I am appreciative when I drive my MG and someone not only says "nice car, > yada, yada, yada" but also inquires about "buying" I've had this one around > 30 years but when I sell it I don't care what they change, modify or alter. > And if it stopped running and broke down, unlike Paul, cash would be king. > Fortunately, mine does not break down (yet) Mel > - > --- Paul Root wrote: >> I had a guy stop behind me when I had broken down. I thought to help. He >> was just fishing to buy the car from a frustrated owner. I told him that >> everything is for sale, but the buyer might not like the price. That got >> him to leave. >> >> It was just a frayed wire in the dizzy. My son found it. We were back on >> the road in no time after the guy left and we could concentrate on the car. >> On Mar 16, 2013 6:13 PM, "Max Heim" wrote: >> >> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my >> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window >> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" >> >> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." >> >> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for >> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell >> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 18 17:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9074287F for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D2740439 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=melfrankus@carolina.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=LBfWtIcjipwA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=E-oCqljkFmKWaHCpbvsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XdO4N0R2zuzWqvAWBIpzDw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.105] ([10.127.132.105:35288] helo=cdptpa-web14-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F4/78-06772-9BB97415; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:56:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:56:57 -0400 From: To: mgs@autox.team.net, dontoy@comcast.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well said dontoy. I admire and respect your response. Sadly, my dad was more about bonding over lawn maintainance. My children have no interest in cars except as transportation. Our youngest is 31 and never cared to learn how to drive a straight shift. Still, I've had old British cars since HS and 50 years later they are still a special treat to own and drive....Mel ---- dontoy@comcast.net wrote: > My father drove my TF home from Pittsburgh in 1971 for $1750. The TF was the thing that bonded my father and I. He golfed and played cards. I never did get bit by the golf bug. We sure did enjoy our wrench turning sessions in the garage. I can't imagine any circumstances that would cause me to sell the MG, his spirit lives there. It lives in all the bodges that I still work to undo, it lives in the Moss red vinyl interior he installed. People used to inquire about me selling. No one has for years. I think they can tell. Might have something to do with the shit eating grin I'm sporting while behind the wheel. > > > Donald J. Toy > "all great men are dead...and I'm not feeling well" > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/melfrankus@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 19:55:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B491740EB5 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.epbfi.com (mta4.epbfi.com [74.205.143.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921D44052E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [68.169.165.92]) by mta4.epbfi.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08A19269A35 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:53:26 -0400 (EDT) From: William Killeffer Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:53:26 -0400 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the starter had gotten stuck and would no longer turn the engine over. I could still roll start it, but doing that on the flat ground at my home and the area nearby can be a bit of a chore. The starter would not respond to being banged on with a hammer or anything like that. The battery is less than a year old and has been on a charger since all this happened. I have replaced the ground cable in the battery box (one single 12v rather than two 6v) and made sure to keep it short and attached to a clean area of the body. I got the wanderlust today and went through the rather laborious steps to get it rolling under its own power and drove to see the parents a short distance away. My father speculated that the starter might not really be stuck, and that a current test might reveal another issue. He has an inductive gauge measuring amperage that is designed to fasten onto the hot wire running into the starter. I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, and he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no response from the starter. Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected when he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was pulled. Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue, especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four years old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference... Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about other issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 20:01:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60461428FD for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E6A4052D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D005634C84; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:59:48 -0700 References: To: William Killeffer Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:53 PM, William Killeffer wrote: > Dad said > that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun > dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference... Having pulled a starter last fall, I can tell you with absolute certainty: the starter is trivial to drop. Disconnect the battery, then take all the wiring off the solenoid terminal(s), then remove the two bolts that attach it to the engine using a ratchet and some long extensions. You should be able to pull it past the dizzy and up out through the engine bay. -- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 20:37:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8418640446 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg02.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A234052A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.140) by BILEXEG02.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:32:40 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB02.msubillings.edu ([169.254.2.156]) by BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.140]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:32:58 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: William Killeffer , "Mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Thread-Index: AQHOJQ3REC6AFpAemUeMa3WoXMcMgJit2vXA Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:32:57 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.100.156] Subject: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Still sounds like a bad connection. If it was me, I would have cleaned the battery terminal connections first, as well as battery ground connection. But just as likely is the other end of the connection from battery terminal to starter. Remove that connection on the starter, clean, and tighten - but be careful to not over tighten. I used to have problems with that connection on my 71 BGT that served as my daily driver for a 52 mile commute (each way) to work many years ago. David Councill -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Killeffer Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the starter had gotten stuck and would no longer turn the engine over. I could still roll start it, but doing that on the flat ground at my home and the area nearby can be a bit of a chore. The starter would not respond to being banged on with a hammer or anything like that. The battery is less than a year old and has been on a charger since all this happened. I have replaced the ground cable in the battery box (one single 12v rather than two 6v) and made sure to keep it short and attached to a clean area of the body. I got the wanderlust today and went through the rather laborious steps to get it rolling under its own power and drove to see the parents a short distance away. My father speculated that the starter might not really be stuck, and that a current test might reveal another issue. He has an inductive gauge measuring amperage that is designed to fasten onto the hot wire running into the starter. I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, and he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no response from the starter. Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected when he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was pulled. Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue, especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four years old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference... Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about other issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 19 21:17:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CEB40400 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E49403FC for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id er7so168932obc.14 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=QNYbOjdFO42fEs5ObmDGuFJPsZhhJ+zhos7igmMSW2I=; b=0nctvxw3GQo7x1Zd5qqEC8zh8rxXcfUNgzDQf9cBFsYgt9W9qidI94NxjztZX/wqSr XbNXDcQNurfSoYXd3Agx6FbxjGC1PwgrFOMvbDPKrY38l0mj0AGbwaAl35noPWdUJmLB yEisv7r+KIAG5L8CPaAx2gqtdF2VaBls59Wj2fyFH2E9ZpR5eIErhuuccKUvtK9uNC4J 9hfZrDgrYHbpVp9V8xjkW0oW9Yzd2fYxAvft8gfugiq+L6P0DdPgcUmmaYx81Lp7tp2/ OYs4fv4vLYBOXBmIQ+UMijLinqYDwBSYjutt4wAz5iXc8/ZMsDhSglSRS+ZnySrCT7nW Eyog== Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.146.147 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:15:20 -0700 From: Richard Ewald Cc: William Killeffer , "Mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One long shot and two real posibilities Long shot first, you checked the battery to chassis ground, what about the engine to chassis ground strap? Choke cables will provide enough ground to run the engine, but not the starter. Check the ground cable. If that is OK, the other two possibilities are: You either have a solenoid issue or a starter issue. The solenoid acts like a giant switch to switch the high amps from the battery to the starter. Here is how you test it. Take a volt meter set it to a scale that will read 12V. Place the red lead on Positive battery cable from the battery. Place the black lead on the input to the starter from the solenoid. Have someone turn the key to start and hold it there. Read the meter. If the meter reads exactly 0V the starter it probably toast (more on this in a minute) If the meter reads 0.1V to about 0.3V The solenoid is working and the issue is the starter. If the meter reads from about 0.7V to battery voltage, the solenoid is toast.* Next put the red lead on the the input from the solenoid to the starter and the black lead on a good engine ground. Again have someone turn and hold the key in the start position. Read the meter If the meter reads: 0V indicates either no voltage is reaching the starter or the starter is open circuit. above about 0.7V a starter issue.* *Industry specs for these components is no more than .2V drop, but these are old cars and frankly can put up with more of a voltage drop than a modern car. A 0.5V drop in a solenoid or a starter won't keep a B from starting,so I have adjusted for this in my recommendations. Good luck > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of William Killeffer > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:53 PM > To: Mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue > > I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, > and > he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no > response from the starter. > > Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected > when > he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is > attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the > starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was > pulled. > > Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue, > especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four > years > old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under > warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said > that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much > fun > dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference... > > Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about > other > issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and > suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 00:36:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B12A40527 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:36:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3037C4042E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews14.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.181]) by cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:33:02 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.28]) by cpsps-ews14.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:33:02 +0100 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:34:32 +0100 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Aaron Whiteman'" , "'William Killeffer'" References: <23EA82FC-F3CC-4052-A9D7-4288B406877C@panix.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:34:35 +0100 Thread-Index: AQIKRU4vypNVv4M7YxFgm5ow1dkFrAH9FCSimCX2UbA= Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[FB7307B0:01CE2534] Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had the same thing. Proved to be, that the thread on the solenoid had gone and the wires were not tightly connected anymore. So check the wiring at the starter. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Aaron Whiteman Verzonden: woensdag 20 maart 2013 3:00 Aan: William Killeffer CC: Mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:53 PM, William Killeffer wrote: > Dad said > that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how > much fun > dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference... Having pulled a starter last fall, I can tell you with absolute certainty: the starter is trivial to drop. Disconnect the battery, then take all the wiring off the solenoid terminal(s), then remove the two bolts that attach it to the engine using a ratchet and some long extensions. You should be able to pull it past the dizzy and up out through the engine bay. -- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 03:42:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7E44042D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44040419 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c41so702542eek.27 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:40:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=cm0NZC7rKdmRI3qlb6Mi9ASXjQnfrNN+8NxyEVdnD9k=; b=Tr6LXQj49AhkxjOOkDX6NQ4CaTEvfd5jyS6gdbBVAUpFlTBj1TGKzRZwjeTp7T5Mcf 8Ix4EW/fTUep7N7/1/eyK4nn5d9LHxt9YBuTRq9RgkLSS1o0WWISHS1nXcBwWoYh6lEw 6siHnpGI/yrW7LHOaGgEGClTODCd8Hvi16Mh52T6jG6UlmHPo0SUFZJr5tmcxg6/i0YO HTIcXv7ymj38ZsuY2zyYPlRc/fVpJnXx6LhSuP0JAZ6oeAIsqpyNBSBSO9JFmq3Lx29T c5EAvguadCGgvVE6mHfCzTmjQJLBOq7UpmfPebT4ILZcZWaPX++YkN3KzmQewPQYgCHs xKTQ== Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4sm1481786eel.0.2013.03.20.02.40.42 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "William Killeffer" , References: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:54 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Before pulling the starter you need to check the connections. When you turn the key and get the click, do the lights dim? If they go right out then the starter is trying to pull current and the problem is in the battery earth strap or the 12v connection through to the solenoid stud, a voltmeter will tell you where the problem is. If the lights don't go out the starter isn't trying to pull any current. It could be the gearbox earth strap, again a voltmeter will show the problem when connected between a brown at the fusebox and a good engine earth, by the voltage dropping right down when the key is turned. However there are usually enough alternative paths via the heater, accelerator and choke cables to at least allow the starter to turn the engine, together with said cables smoking. If no volt drops anywhere when the key is turned then either the solenoid isn't passing the voltage to the motor, or the motor brushes are worn. I don't think I have ever come across the latter, but the former is not uncommon. It can often be fixed by removing the copper link in the solenoid and cleaning it and its mating contacts up. The final possibility is a seized starter, but very unlikely, and seems to be excluded by the reading on your inductive ammeter. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the > starter had gotten stuck _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 06:23:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75D54044E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC5A40425 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:23:06 -0600 (MDT) cv=asOxBwkBAZGV0T+WtrXzpfep39GF0kV392HEIHOPyDY= c=1 sm=0 a=f5b0H3g8muEA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=HRhQGltBgac4nAfQeAoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=YOK2Q4CfZxAnlxRnY427tw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.224.235] ([75.91.224.235:53000] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id D2/82-08543-6C9A9415; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:21:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:21:19 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: MG List References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Funny this should come up now. I've been thinking of selling my '69 B roadster. I don't drive it much and my poor old aching back doesn't like my pushing the clutch pedal time after time. Kind of on the fence about it. I know that when I sold my '70 B years ago, I started missing it as soon as the buyer drove it away. What to do........ CR On 3/16/2013 6:12 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my > MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window > and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" > > I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." > > But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for > it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell > it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 06:36:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0010D4051C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1155B40426 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:35:21 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=f5b0H3g8muEA:10 a=Tg5qieKZbuAA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=2XyxtVjdWmJJFH2QKUsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=YOK2Q4CfZxAnlxRnY427tw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.224.235] ([75.91.224.235:53136] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C1/90-05157-5ACA9415; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:33:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:33:34 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: William Killeffer References: Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] 74 MGB starter issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The Autozone people can look up your starter purchase on their computer network. If you bought the Duralast starter you're entitled to a new starter. Pull it off the engine and take it to the AZ store. No muss, no fuss. :-) CR On 3/19/2013 8:53 PM, William Killeffer wrote: > Back in November, I had to park my 1974 MGB because it appeared that the > starter had gotten stuck and would no longer turn the engine over. I could > still roll start it, but doing that on the flat ground at my home and the area > nearby can be a bit of a chore. The starter would not respond to being banged > on with a hammer or anything like that. > > The battery is less than a year old and has been on a charger since all this > happened. I have replaced the ground cable in the battery box (one single 12v > rather than two 6v) and made sure to keep it short and attached to a clean > area of the body. > > I got the wanderlust today and went through the rather laborious steps to get > it rolling under its own power and drove to see the parents a short distance > away. > > My father speculated that the starter might not really be stuck, and that a > current test might reveal another issue. He has an inductive gauge measuring > amperage that is designed to fasten onto the hot wire running into the > starter. > > I put the gauge on right before the wire actually connects to the starter, and > he turned the key. As always, we could hear the solenoid clicking, but no > response from the starter. > > Assuming I had the gauge attached properly, the needle barely deflected when > he turned the key. He said that in the case of a stuck starter that is > attempting to turnover, the needle will make a large deflection because the > starter is pulling alot of current. In this case, barely any current was > pulled. > > Dad said this could be a sign of bad brushes or some other contact issue, > especially since the solenoid clicks. The starter is no more than four years > old and was purchased at Autozone. In theory, it should still be under > warranty, but I cannot find the receipt from where I purchased it. Dad said > that if I can drop it, the Autozone folks will test it. We know how much fun > dropping the starter is, but if it makes a difference... > > Anyhow, I just wanted to get some additional input from the group about other > issues that might be causing the trouble I am having. Any other ideas and > suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 11:12:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F064403FB for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:12:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE8E403FB for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-95.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r2KHA04p023631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:47:17 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort] Thread-Index: Ac4lipSmTfSX0XdDr0W8NVPPoFgKFg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be possible to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. One way would be reducing the diameter of the master cylinder (that is, finding a substitute with a different diameter). Another would be changing the leverage of the clutch pedal (moving the fulcrum or lengthening the arm). Not that these would be trivial projects, but if someone came up with a working solution it might help a lot of people. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/20/13 5:21 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > Funny this should come up now. I've been thinking of selling my '69 B > roadster. I don't drive it much and my poor old aching back doesn't > like my pushing the clutch pedal time after time. Kind of on the fence > about it. I know that when I sold my '70 B years ago, I started missing > it as soon as the buyer drove it away. What to do........ > > CR > On 3/16/2013 6:12 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> Driving through Hayward today, a Buick full of people pulls up beside my >> MGB. I could see they were pointing, then a guy leans out the back window >> and asks "Hey, you wanna sell your car?" >> >> I shook my head, and mumbled "No, thanks, my project, you know..." >> >> But afterward, I was thinking, if someone really wants to give me money for >> it, I should take it. But then I thought, no, I couldn't in conscience sell >> it to someone that would put 20-inch rims on it. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 20:45:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD87F40542 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3E34042E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 02:36:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 02:36:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 02:36:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1363833384; bh=eaOpuK5Zs5ftLXL8fxYd/wWQTF6NZHN5UPF8j4wZZ94=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=O9Lb1+1IbHr69RknFntnH+u/i3AhRFCF4W0rRx1wTIy2HJJCIaRB57gTjsDpoZfj0lqvnDvxdksg7MFI0fwUtJYjUPjj8Td29SuoMgFS4fSjWcXPkkQgwPP6tcMXLBMWcAqyIFQL1ESOVQajet6/WQRJAdjpkj4CL/2iXrq3NZE= fq7ZGakWfPoijLwuMdfz8DBKZLJOMa9OkPEXO96L2CMKVPEVfx4GxUKS2HS3 Mp7xe2bZl99VHTOHNsI4XTenMFBWtWma.NNMCOR6rrV_HDv8Z_.zmrxRNrTM GuVt7ZUj9OIT5V5tezO4ACFs6HxWpYV7Im7aIfmcCRIVQsblEOpiFn79ONyB 9p1E1IB0oZ7Blcy8WVlgVSnwKdo6WnVPiQa8FuW1toRA4FqLlN.fDsSCp3XI EKICB8B_fXVYV7VzpOrmiSvLLmOjJdjh8tJbrM8Khy75jGWWDpbJ.SvlWUAv neP9aOUgm45i2rwDf7F.0oVuBpg5jRfW_74FnNuVq6PKnX.BzX.Y3g2nV1sJ bkHM3RW2qDqcXfKD06JSk1OOqCmyFmdAbbbVOhYzWOfHRzjRHzRditD4oXju tne2hU9g6FwdhvdMxZSheJJaf5zPeVA8upSMAB9Hr7Ei9GptA.q_5qIaGh7Z CCz9dUJ6MHLedUsgJhSZubDYmxh3aknQ- smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2013 19:36:24 -0700 PDT From: "Larry Daniels" To: , "MG List" References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:36:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these lists as well as quite a few others. He supplies all of the equipment and maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going. In recognition of that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for us, we annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that expense. If you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in whatever you feel you can afford. Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am selling. If any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure he would appreciate it. I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as well. If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this to those lists so they can do something as well. Mark, it may be easiest if you just forward this to all of your lists? The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out to the lists. Thanks, Larry Daniels -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hedin Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks! Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE Weber. -----Original Message----- From: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM To: Spridgets@autox.team.net Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks! Well, shucks. I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this morning. Oh, well. But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean! If anyone sent a check it will likely be a few days before I see it. Thanks again, mjb. ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dlh2001@comcast.net ------------------------ spridgets@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/ladaniels@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 20 21:59:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9E540404 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.epbfi.com (mta3.epbfi.com [74.205.143.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E4C403EE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [68.169.165.92]) by mta3.epbfi.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DFC4267186 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: William Killeffer Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:54:08 -0400 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Another 74 MGB starter-related question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Something I forgot to mention or ask about in my last post about the starter on my 1974 MGB: What role does the white/brown wire play? Is it responsible for activating the starter solenoid? The reason I ask is that its connection is a pretty weak link on my car. Just from a visual inspection, the spade connector at the end that fastens to the starter is insecurely attached, and appears to be pretty dirty. I have not tested its voltage or anything like that. Thank you, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 03:07:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0644041C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AD1403D0 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 16so275211wgi.3 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:05:58 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=7Ap0+50eDPw+L7/qxi/ImjpUol/nxvLFf5XgpAQlnTw=; b=NWCC8GdkwGFN9Q3jVLon7qrsGEeZjEdjb4QnT2EkbmxjWQ5dGLfWhAkfIpYWPYa3c5 TsT8BYxdtMraMtqmtUhJeYUV2g2e0Fe2wkF7TaGLdPa7NxzWAI0Lu7+Wfg5VUxTNkqVy Vaysqkach8GpE0FBfWoxuaeK4ksyfeT9csPW63DQHGLI1LMDwWRhs8rcNDmo0oY/Bn9/ IceuVSmqvwGPJ5bmekOd/NaE7w48cLn3lEN4CtCuC0vKGNO3Ln0fKkL0x+jxUahFbmQ/ mymn6bCS14PjTZpw0bv+j60LuRRhTh0Pjc6clwdGNIxpVdlc+F5SKEDgdKHjKv97LNOl OZJA== ft8mr3336894wib.28.1363856758101; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex15sm3375285wid.5.2013.03.21.02.05.56 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:42:17 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly you can, and reduce the travel of the release bearing at the same time. But you would have to ensure that the travel was still enough to fully release the friction plate or you would have difficulty selecting gears, and it would put the biting point closer to the floor. The ratio of master diameter to slave diameter is what it is for a reason. PaulH ----- Original Message ----- > Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be > possible > to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 03:08:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA3D40355 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A809403D5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id d46so218028wer.30 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:06:01 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=ntW0lcoIs7YlrwE/udLffOl9zCvSv1ya1ZH4CM4bxy0=; b=Gxybmyd8gkGeUOs4v1smETsYYIv3NTNVbnGS+sb8aQGIW2dsthHowryPf8SY2aZ1kv 4veWYsW5Img+i5rstF+UrYJhIwgjCHxbJpYUYEUOpsG3ml2N0vCY64wG6NZEBXBqudo3 aoBKfXSDidv/or/5sAPb0j/N+PHL731DIhZNLbbldmODEUaZUKKkeIIVFwYkYbSqo99M Uyomhwroks9STAZN2gDZuoF5wI8i+UHYiycPaTc7fqm5NHPt7MCz97hdvGpKmYzmqbK9 J0a1k1wTA5JthWQr7M/kVBNaZK1rQFx/WJe9i2E9355WP25eRoyQdbtChFOaJKV2A6Ah soxw== em5mr3109882wid.24.1363856761849; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex15sm3375285wid.5.2013.03.21.02.06.01 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "William Killeffer" , References: <248BB88D-A8E1-420E-BACA-01BB789DD619@epbfi.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:04:40 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Another 74 MGB starter-related question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes. ----- Original Message ----- > What role does the white/brown wire play? Is it responsible for activating > the > starter solenoid? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 03:22:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6350040430 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D9840355 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fm10so2012534wgb.21 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:21:05 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=14kxxedAjBNkys8fh5VJ2Ghm8EjIvMnBUCW6YCp3efo=; b=OTXVB0STQofvPWddlr0ZV1MLA0a6v7OIk8jwkw/dVNG6Wa6yE0n9Y6F/jg/kR5RZdd rV+2ckkQVZQwmKJdz0+nl2Ki0vJJVCNHGIJfgnLF8WzI52FUWo3iSeyPdgC2FexEq+28 fbVy0lUbFwmHf/Gt223uDvxz5Co6PjT66qJVjeibYgayBAKapTyD+WpMoEizI0p1T6Gy jPNkHe67DbIhoPUY5yrGkqcSpltFVnBtDIqVpFVyw59rBTIJZ2nCVLS5JdH647AN+F15 wft+pdy7ZgYWGPH1DbSM2XFl7l2Mo8LanlFZxwkbBkqZurJltt6dOa4AwDLFK4z+PcN/ ujtg== t10mr15889566wjq.4.1363857665056; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm3486543wij.2.2013.03.21.02.21.04 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:17:45 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net PS. You could reduce the distance between the pedal fulcrum and the push-rod to increase the leverage, but to get the same travel of the release bearing you would need more travel of the pedal, i.e. at rest the clutch pad would be higher than the brake pad, which would probably need a modification to the area around the pedal to allow that to happen. My 2004 ZS 180 is like that, and someone came up with a modification to level the two pads for some reason. No idea why, with left foot clutch and right foot accelerator and brake one's feet soon 'learn' the heights of each pedal, and reducing the travel would make the clutch heavier (assuming they retained the same travel at the clutch itself). PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be > possible > to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 03:53:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2782C403F4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D6E403DF for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hm14so6303551wib.15 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:51:11 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=1wogQVJFzBFgoXiCKRQHkH9BTaVnrd+4ZQgaVUPyq2s=; b=jnNhxHGGnnnvguuN6aOvKIwGKvDYnayEwcNQo5pCLx6ttKZPT/DSzsDGccCKLctu8C 8TqV/uWw3Qit7tYlmhMqQJvKLNfXeX8kY+Tu6+MxLDQroBuMJSPwhdAroliwKY0dMqNG fzBl6+M0S1I7agy+EaKlyJv8RR+fApcHAoX4+yv0+pdBShZZSff6wIgLSToEysY5AZaY lhrSw4phtZz4IEdm2FV/z7mRzNImaV7hyyvYxmxOu6M1EpCOzkGhrEyvE+oy79SBtdzE VOodLsk45aM903hNjb8pPlK/V78PKBHaPyF1XRtk2lbF8193z/xTFFd13QAChzpxxhCm 5ssA== r10mr3426573wic.8.1363859471836; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dp5sm3646719wib.1.2013.03.21.02.51.10 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "William Killeffer" References: <248BB88D-A8E1-420E-BACA-01BB789DD619@epbfi.com> <3D695D43-46C3-400E-8331-089AF3180464@epbfi.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:27:02 -0000 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Another 74 MGB starter-related question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It could be, but if you can hear the click of the solenoid operating then no. However a 74 has a starter relay which clicks as well, albeit a lot quieter than the solenoid, so you need to be sure which you can hear. If it's the solenoid then the problem is as described earlier i.e. it is either the solenoid contacts or the motor itself. Some starters have a copper link between the two which allows you to test with a meter for voltage, no voltage means it is the solenoid, 12v means it is the motor. If it is the relay you can hear then it could be that connection, but it could also be the relay contacts, solenoid winding, or any of the other connections around them, you would need to test at various points with a voltmeter. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- So, if its connection is dodgy, could it be possible that the solenoid is not getting fully activated, causing a no-start condition? On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:04 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Yes. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> What role does the white/brown wire play? Is it responsible for >> activating the >> starter solenoid? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 10:21:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379E6403F9 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67756403C5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 174-157-225-90.pools.spcsdns.net ([174.157.225.90] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UIiDj-0004lm-3k for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:20:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:19:51 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com> <5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the reminder Larry, I just sent my contribution. Win-win for all. Dave W. On 3/20/2013 9:36 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these > lists as well as quite a few others. He supplies all of the equipment and > maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going. In recognition of > that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for us, we > annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that expense. If > you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in whatever you > feel you can afford. > > Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am selling. If > any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure he would > appreciate it. I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as > well. > > If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this to those > lists so they can do something as well. Mark, it may be easiest if you just > forward this to all of your lists? > > The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out to the > lists. > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Thanks, > > Larry Daniels > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Hedin > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks! > > Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE Weber. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM > To: Spridgets@autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks! > > Well, shucks. I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this > morning. > Oh, well. But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean! If anyone sent a > check it will likely be a few days before I see it. > > Thanks again, > > mjb. > ------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 10:22:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868CD4053A for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF20D403ED for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 174-157-225-90.pools.spcsdns.net ([174.157.225.90] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UIiEB-0004lx-CY for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:20:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:20:20 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com> <5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 3/20/2013 9:36 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: > For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these > lists as well as quite a few others. He supplies all of the equipment and > maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going. In recognition of > that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for us, we > annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that expense. If > you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in whatever you > feel you can afford. > > Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am selling. If > any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure he would > appreciate it. I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as > well. > > If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this to those > lists so they can do something as well. Mark, it may be easiest if you just > forward this to all of your lists? > > The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out to the > lists. > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Thanks, > > Larry Daniels > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Hedin > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks! > > Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE Weber. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM > To: Spridgets@autox.team.net > Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks! > > Well, shucks. I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this > morning. > Oh, well. But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean! If anyone sent a > check it will likely be a few days before I see it. > > Thanks again, > > mjb. > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dlh2001@comcast.net > ------------------------ > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/ladaniels@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 10:25:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93080403E3 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24DB403E3 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 174-157-225-90.pools.spcsdns.net ([174.157.225.90] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UIiHC-0004nr-Oa for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:23:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:23:28 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <5147622F.2050303@bradakis.com> <5EA1BCADCBE1436182ED9BF99B565466@HomePC> <514B3344.40603@wi.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Spridgets] Thanks! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Apologize for the repeat...hit the wrong box. :-( On 3/21/2013 11:20 AM, dwoerpel wrote: > On 3/20/2013 9:36 PM, Larry Daniels wrote: >> For those who are new and not aware, Mark Bradakis is the owner of these >> lists as well as quite a few others. He supplies all of the >> equipment and >> maintenance costs and time to keep these lists going. In recognition of >> that and to defray his costs to keep these lists up and running for >> us, we >> annually contribute a few bucks to him to cover some of that >> expense. If >> you appreciate what he does for us, please consider throwing in >> whatever you >> feel you can afford. >> >> Mark has said he would like to have the 42 DCOE Weber carb I am >> selling. If >> any of you would like to kick in a few bucks toward that, I am sure >> he would >> appreciate it. I am putting in $25 and a couple others have done so, as >> well. >> >> If anybody belongs to any of Marks other lists, please forward this >> to those >> lists so they can do something as well. Mark, it may be easiest if >> you just >> forward this to all of your lists? >> >> The link to contribute is on the bottom of every email that goes out >> to the >> lists. >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Larry Daniels >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dean Hedin >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:23 PM >> To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; Spridgets@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Thanks! >> >> Life is too short for Mark not to have the rare and coveted 42 DCOE >> Weber. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:spridgets-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:51 PM >> To: Spridgets@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Spridgets] Thanks! >> >> Well, shucks. I didn't find an extra $275 in my Paypal account this >> morning. >> Oh, well. But I did find a nice donation, thanks Dean! If anyone >> sent a >> check it will likely be a few days before I see it. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> mjb. >> ------------------------ >> >> spridgets@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dlh2001@comcast.net >> ------------------------ >> >> spridgets@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/ladaniels@sbcglobal.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 10:49:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B81A403EB for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6F2403EB for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-238.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r2LGe0KP031333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:40:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:22:10 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort] Thread-Index: Ac4mUDzSLBiNCSJNg0KCM/V60qqWRg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spurned an offer [now: clutch effort] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I realize that reducing the diameter of the cylinder would also require increasing the length of the stroke. I did not feel that it was necessary to explain this to a technical audience. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 3/21/13 1:42 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > Certainly you can, and reduce the travel of the release bearing at the same > time. But you would have to ensure that the travel was still enough to > fully release the friction plate or you would have difficulty selecting > gears, and it would put the biting point closer to the floor. The ratio of > master diameter to slave diameter is what it is for a reason. > > PaulH > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Hmm, I wonder... Since it's a simple hydraulic system, it should be >> possible >> to alter the amount of effort needed to depress the clutch pedal. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 12:57:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3249E403F5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983C9403ED for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 3capp-gmx-bs14.server.lan ([172.19.170.66]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0La16h-1UzY3R0a8j-00lnWG for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:55:20 +0100 Received: from [82.156.208.140] by 3capp-gmx-bs14.server.lan with HTTP; Thu Mar 21 19:55:20 CET 2013 From: "Bert Palte" To: mgs@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:55:20 +0100 (CET) Sensitivity: Normal References: , <5149A9BF.9070802@ktc.com> qLHZL6KdrKmmP2XAoaFrkzjYcoF8OfJsOYqOLgGDewMjU83qop q3RDO51m+yJ58bXmEw15ZIe93avNdY3qIZfSo7MtglONEmogXQ QidI/0oks1TSdhQsGqpx13dNu+IQfejtC+pUBQVMRGEjCTBsRI rt/kuH4h3JBtgJHGmWOuzMfcVv3ogA0IEZgXN5ujfSVpUtRp8y eiVtsz2pp8KZw5gU1OqGMs9gFHug7BkgyjL+1FcKmi7rJagZEw GA0tTM= Subject: [Mgs] Clutch Effort / Improvement Suggestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 21 13:11:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491DF40536 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23AD4009B for ; 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[62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm9443712wiz.10.2013.03.22.02.08.34 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "MG List" References: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:00:44 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Clutch effort Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't take it personally. It's not that long ago that a suggestion to jack the engine under the sump (to change the engine mounts) brought a response that unless you use a piece of timber to spread the load the sump will buckle - well, yes! If that was considered to be the level of technical experience at that time who am I to assume it should be any different now. The audience here ranges from people with 50 years or more experience to complete beginners, and replies to posts are addressed to all, not just the original poster. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I realize that reducing the diameter of the cylinder would also require > increasing the length of the stroke. I did not feel that it was necessary > to > explain this to a technical audience. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 15:45:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0040F42565 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp142.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp142.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193744226E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp34.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E7D8F380604 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp34.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 7CC2438067E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:39:21 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don Subject: [Mgs] Meet Monty. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Though MGs are not featured, the driving dogs do use British cars when out for a cruise. I think it's pretty funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRN_L3nTlLQ drivingdogs.co.nz --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 22 16:15:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947D1428A9 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1F94226E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (184-157-30-126.dyn.centurytel.net [184.157.30.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2MM9f4A003466 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:09:43 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: "'mgs-autox.team.net'" References: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:09:41 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4nRlPza/4QLJTUTyyYRlW7NmX6VQAAzYkg a=D0iQYZJc1-4A:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1NgcglUpwDtdvIbNPOepwg==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lw_i7szaAAAA:20 a=_3tdAaV1yiRec45FIOgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1NgcglUpwDtdvIbNPOepwg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Meet Monty. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I want to see his d. license. Also, a real dog would have had his head hanging out the window! David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:39 PM To: mgs-autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Meet Monty. The World's First Driving Dog. - YouTube Though MGs are not featured, the driving dogs do use British cars when out for a cruise. I think it's pretty funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRN_L3nTlLQ drivingdogs.co.nz --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 23 19:30:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BFB4296E for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAF342541 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:29:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2557034F95 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 21:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:28:01 -0700 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] heater fan and wiper motor current draw? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm planning on migrating my '75 away from the original wiring design for the heater fan and wiper motor to a setup that is relay based. I know the normal done thing is to tap the purple circuit for that, but I already have a spare pair of slots available and plan on dedicated circuits for each (with purple wires, of course). I've got the relays, but I don't know what an appropriate size fuse and/or wire would be. Anybody know what these devices draw in normal use? More importantly, any clues as to the startup draw? I am thinking individual 15A fuses and 14AWG wiring should be more than adequate, but would like to confirm before I go forward. -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 10:20:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49A442801 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:20:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF1340E9B for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hf12so4187889vcb.6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xlHO06PAhYVxML7Zie7NzuFWcOkg0z76Cr3RZxgvkl4=; b=JoYUIaw2vpmkgplP1CJ1lhAcMbb9c/OIcLGPHgeOEFji1cuIic8uzhDEChmYyE4Pdf DGHFJq4jDoioMoRwUrq6Y7TxzbycOlwb+mvMGhwrVm6BUPQxhR97k29tZS9B+4h8QkQe t2rnlnBEveyziVfOilpMaN5zwsAagW+Lihx8fsJKuS2NqP8EcCg+4Mz0M+bkMs3Azvt+ /wnqHcvVl0aNZLiCxWNqD53acC2hwRZ3g6fyikJ8hNzQ+HTzbmCR7uZRqXjlefI5nVif FhGkcePMqIk+CmyX81m4p7oBNS9YuVqlXe6rmn6JP9E4f9R+2z8bxFFmb9pvn9kau+lM AEuw== wv3mr9980393vdb.82.1364141477479; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.231.131 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:11:17 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Its on its way! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, With excitement I write; The '53 MG TD I have just purchased from expected in about six days. Right now I don't have write access to my website because of FTP rule changes. But as soon as that issue is resolved, I'll upload pictures and share the links with you. Happy to be an MG owner again, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 14:09:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939114256E for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.117]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348C940562 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2013 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.249] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2013 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2013 20:05:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364155546; bh=5JhNy7D7qAdTsY43zwupcHtQ16YnHhtIdi5dJDvOr7Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=DsJEEcW+5Y8IC/lt+2ypvCW7DOwqM+vBDDfI7/jJJCGS0RilzZSXk21nS4JreS2wyOWJZzvOMnGxL4C/XTw4ZEgvCPfnVAsCAMmdx/EO0NqtcQ8Mi4CNnc7xbzpDwm3k/MxueOhxl5qbbvWMku6HinMNtfXBAOM7gtX09HbzC0c= cIhWKCHuUVm_xER6RW6UA9vKwjm7nK4W_GQ3627.7uBDNKCh.zG1CqC1i1Ub JI09JCRAI9L2tM93sfB4KJPc9TLrP8gDkv3osd22Ig5d3olB.iZoQ.E8DuYk DtwFxRY0OFFX9AjxP9pTl3e4jQg9Yy1_eB_6ScbhcfgNR6nEKUsHuVqJKQaA Wx5VabrrlHn_3YA1IKW9avT9QCjIL6WSthOLcMSGd.U_AbXIPb8RCSYFlVV0 U0msFygvotc3Iqq_eKD0MjG0aACitrkwfP10JwXETLG6TQ1x9Cxq7YesypTt ThGYgKt3bN.fVfXBqGakPuhQOopiUzRbOm9QemmsISfAaUckrLnfLaWgQlXY TcYDJlxbTiuxS2vj4Uaj9.o_JdygG2Qh3lIqQ3UzZQYEfQwPMSCLHIXre06H u1gsTKGjp xymcookie) by smtp112-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 13:05:46 -0700 PDT References: From: Dan DiBiase Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:05:45 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Its on its way! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good deal, Rick, looking forward to seeing pics as the project progresses! Sent from Dan's iPad Mini On Mar 24, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > With excitement I write; The '53 MG TD I have just purchased from > list-member Mr. Bill Schooler, is on its way to Houston! Delivery is > expected in about six days. > > Right now I don't have write access to my website because of FTP rule > changes. But as soon as that issue is resolved, I'll upload pictures > and share the links with you. > > Happy to be an MG owner again, > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 16:58:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0FD40687 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED7540540 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id jw11so453676veb.22 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=55cKoWv98hLCWGosonrZxXE9KepSbOg7X285+nej9M4=; b=tk8jOPZAhApzDYfqp9Hv7Fwb0jvg1ToGLcxaEHfTvCisDuXva10XdHEDqzw7PUE6fx HMYAxQlynD+5Yf25gWUra5+PzYX5+R9w9oFrQH8FHuWzpdX8egbh0DbBRT6WpYnTnkE3 E2hAtLZbbU2h2YpROjBap1BOt8abu+K5n2pHjgTwSoZlXRbo7Z3m3lCz8cUs1m/EZHny kMd21Q2B4cXWOAkBpe7azPsFhF8/0Sr27oxKJwF4KeoAbXUgi954jlu8B0TZ+8TNmRrP GbHP2TQg7b35gWqdYyeNWsrwPar7AALhcw7pzblGbx0pFAhYXwppBEMNeK+9jm8bujfA yT2A== kv15mr9742383vdb.23.1364165759733; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.231.131 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:55:59 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, Phil Tegtmeier , Neil Shannon , Rui Gigante , Ed Helsing , Peter Henrys Subject: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is required. And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures! Please enjoy. The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to give proper photo credit). The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase. The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the transporter. That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool hat! The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers. Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 18:58:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DAD40568 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:58:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521C840549 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2013 00:55:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.243] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2013 00:55:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2013 00:55:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364172946; bh=DXxqNNrTTkrGyCtMix+5kXP+z4U7r0yMMlUdZK8B7H8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=eoH1kxwNWjSwzeMGRuYhifGVzzgiCwnGriX0+6bvs3Fc1Y9X3d9PsLUaXQ7+xbW93JjaNI5Sbs6JCslqG2fu7I3pHp7y2r4W5bgtj6NwcgPVstqTCJgkoisCC2d0gHF4C6OEIbskVJB8J8Hdhj13jRhJhc25rQnatoWYi/zeSRI= I774XlsNzA1P5boixKrGiVQ7OqqL1iIhjyiFwlesLfxmJkNb5ja9BGVucLnB OCwFx.j388tNgU6R6vwl2eIM9keP502ShiuuoCOa.xIuOcB2gw_2_vKHt.do nejw193JcECc0c0.t6j4KvQRlalbXgtfxT4CN2oZqHB2xbPimoBVlwoe3Zlv lECQ4sKTd.f.rfcTuIWJwc3fEd3KvNCDAbsQU0WD5rOwGk8wNGboCl1X2TpM joGnc.57Sx3nCdf8AoOJ4Nq1ea5gCPRo6UPL4T1.d0WaHiKN.SMUQdHg1jvO PtOQ8K1uD82WMJ_0ey.3ru8N.5clgA4lEuUw6YAnj3G1jUgxUHLgAwKBC2lL yGVWrDOHBoJ0V986x30Lc2gaUQht502zhugUVNcpblnW2MLMjls122f._frk 8F4XcHaZ4V4VXHOMoCpX.Rtx1x5yMK49DEf_LQqgBckl9pdJSwsUCLTRG8fA IO34WqHAMfA-- xymcookie) by smtp106-mob.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2013 17:55:46 -0700 PDT References: From: Dan DiBiase Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:55:45 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay Cc: Peter Henrys , Rui Gigante , "mgs@autox.team.net" , Phil Tegtmeier , Neil Shannon , Ed Helsing Subject: Re: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Very complete car, looks like a great project base... So what is the plan? Sent from Dan's iPad Mini On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is > required. And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures! Please > enjoy. > > The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to > give proper photo credit). > > The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of > the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase. > > The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the > pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the > transporter. That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool > hat! The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers. > > Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 21:32:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94C340553 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout03.eigbox.net (bosmailout03.eigbox.net [66.96.185.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE440532 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:28:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan10.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.10]) by bosmailout03.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UJy3Q-0006is-DJ for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:26:36 -0400 Received: from bosimpout03.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.3]) by bosmailscan10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UJy3Q-0002E9-A4 for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:26:36 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp06.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.6]) by bosimpout03.eigbox.net with NO UCE id FfMM1l00207rX7u01fMM5k; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:21:21 -0400 a=aV43nmy/qwgHldUvrm3lxw==:17 a=5ISJ8dbWO_sA:10 a=igX0j1cOTnwA:10 a=hj_9IMGBdl4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=yfEddvT5AAAA:8 a=gxj3kG44yPcA:10 a=W4uCbKaqAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_81nFd09nTO76UxCoMYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=JZKg8Jov5DUA:10 a=0_ZU7NotyFfmCw9I:21 a=LXz8T7YCkdgjLL9P:21 a=fIc3/5IyPUehxkj7BpkQ7Q==:117 Received: from h231.19.23.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net ([98.23.19.231] helo=[192.168.254.4]) by bosauthsmtp06.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1UJy3P-0002fg-Tq for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:26:36 -0400 References: From: Matt Trebelhorn Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:26:32 -0400 To: MGS List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net So what's the story behind the license plate? The car looks good -- looking forward to watching your work on it. Matt On 24 Mar, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is > required. And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures! Please > enjoy. > > The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to > give proper photo credit). > > The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of > the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase. > > The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the > pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the > transporter. That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool > hat! The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers. > > Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ > matt.lists@trebelhorn.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 24 21:32:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A3A4225B for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.epbfi.com (mta4.epbfi.com [74.205.143.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366D940532 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [68.169.165.92]) by mta4.epbfi.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2046F269950 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: William Killeffer Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:28:33 -0400 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You may remember me asking about starter trouble on a 1974 MGB recently. I decided to drop the starter and get a closer look at everything. While the starter was off the car, I gave all the wiring fastened to it a good cleaning. Then, I cleaned the ground strap area under the hood, and cleaned everything associated with the battery terminals. A test at Autozone determined that the starter was locked up, so I put a new warranted starter in this afternoon. It spins up nicely and sounds like it turns faster than any previous starter that I have had on the car. Now, I know questions about the lights get asked all the time, but I want to make sure I do not miss anything. A few years ago, I added relays into the headlamp and hi-beam circuits, and all seemed well until about last November, when the starter began to act up. When I turn the headlamps on, the headlamps themselves come on, but no other lights do. No marker lights nor tail-lights. The brake lights still work, as do the turn signals. I am trying to remember where to check the voltage for the tail-lights at the fuse box, and how to check if power is making it back to the tail-light assemblies. This sort of thing is most frustrating cause I cannot think of any good reason for the lights to stop working. They just stopped. Thank you, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 03:31:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D37440417 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 03:31:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E750940523 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 03:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hm14so9844706wib.3 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=H7tum9UttNwMhgjwR9A/cIcMOMfoyGI9Yh4NG/D0b0c=; b=l02iCMIvZMmY84rFFW3H/q/TBGOgXzr4vDsF45RTQIuHavVc46NkIts3CHSduBxJtE 0TkVPxuUXZClx2bOhhgJ9La8dK1K5PcVGpVSA2Y0F1Ay0SXT+JKlhBzMLTHtN+E4XMvZ 0OpvZQ8yE59lzF+sI5uuErxDkqPkeslRGbagIREBw0g27busP0lriUr+47GPCtb03PYt +1WP2+i54h7OVEufD1pzEVOPeYBubOKNWsBVWZ4VPnMEsP1p/TnDN4r4UdpvPld8sWbM O21Wg9QwNh4GHj//n+xY8XS/ajdH16MkujIYsgql/WeVlNPU1wLGE5PXtzhTsnjuDmnz IltQ== fu1mr15981240wib.4.1364203668614; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fv2sm21100214wib.6.2013.03.25.02.27.47 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "Mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <937E1E5E-AF37-4793-AFDF-381EA334A10C@panix.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:20:33 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] heater fan and wiper motor current draw? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I take it you will only use the purple circuit to feed through the relay contacts, and not to operate the relay as well, as that would mean the fan could still be running while the car is parked. The purple circuit is already fused, so you won't need another fuse . The fuses in an MGB are designed to protect the wiring and the standard rating of 17amps, 35 amp blow is all you need, that rating is used in the green circuit that supplies the fan from the factory, as well as the purple circuit. FWIW the fan takes a surprisingly high current considering what air movement it results in. An ammeter will tell you that, and a resistance measurement of the fan motor when stopped together with Ohms Law will tell you the instantaneous current. But as far as typical automotive fuses go that can be ignored. Can't see any reason to use other than the same gauge of wire as used in the majority of the rest of the wiring. With the relatively small amount of wiring in the MGB compared to a modern car having different grades of wire according to the load, and consequently different ratings of fuse to protect them, only means you will have to carry multiple ratings as spares. Keep it simple, and the two spares in the fusebox lid can be used for anything else you add. You say 'relays', but there is only any point in using a relay in the circuit for the 'high' speed. The 'low' speed is obtained by putting a resistance in series with the motor, and any additional resistances in the original wiring will have a negligible difference on the resulting fan speed. Leave the low speed as it is, and use a single relay operated from the fast speed contact of the switch to power the motor bypassing the heater box resistance. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Anybody know what these devices draw in normal use? More importantly, any > clues as to the startup draw? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 04:00:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FD742499 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F74340417 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 03:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id u3so5038358wey.10 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:57:52 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=uDgZy6vBGCv13TWAR0jkJRNqd2dLK9vZUzl1bd8xhPc=; b=g2TiCFkXcsTKhrwH3eGW4aLCvAsWu3mk3X30b+CG5osH57kr0I+peK7d/4PGXC+rf1 Ql9TkE22ewl5JukEr/iaatxmdnAGwOS6vUF4XA9cLEkV7OHdAJ1sWCG1SIGbR8K/R9mY tg7/2RDAOmE8eD4QCjJy/Yj0Td0E4cxoW7JOhNi+C/hAKDfUqTuJyC2Ga6aredYtRXYd Ztg8OEKkXlFupuTCAfL/ckXN2fbD5swWOHKmumdlr9DZVsU254OwL3PNmIK1zZZP6VoW cfPHD1zpqDNq7tipkj5J0WmFSAUxc/HYKO5+IqkrvEBOGUKyrzGGRRQHySb21BoyEC8H VcDw== lz7mr16689219wjb.10.1364205472358; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed6sm21241340wib.9.2013.03.25.02.57.51 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "William Killeffer" , References: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:29:02 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Starter update and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net "A test at Autozone determined that the starter was locked up," FWIW, that doesn't agree with your test earlier that showed a very low current when the starter was energised. Unless by 'locked up' they mean 'isn't working'. 'Locked up' to me is a mechanical problem where the current is trying to turn the motor but is physically prevented from doing so. That would result in a very high current. On an American 74 the side marker lights come on with the parking lights. Do you have any instrument lights? If they've stopped working as well then it's probably the main lighting switch or the red/green wire fallen off it. If the instrument lights still work then check the top two fuses in the fuse box. There should be the same red/green wire feeding the front of one of those, and that should have 12v on it with the main lighting switch in the parking light position. Current then goes through the top two fuses (there is a link between the fronts of those two) to red wires at the back, one wire to each corner, one fuse per side. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > You may remember me asking about starter trouble on a 1974 MGB recently. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 05:43:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B63D40E50 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E48A740416 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 05:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 70808 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2013 11:39:48 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2013 11:39:48 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: References: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:38:37 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4pCRe82aN/AYpeSSG+eqpIYuJIswAQ+0EQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Starter update and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd check grounds first. The tail lights and fuel pump ground at one point inside boot right behind the number plate. By the way, a bad ground there can eat fuel pumps. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Killeffer Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:29 PM To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Starter update and another question You may remember me asking about starter trouble on a 1974 MGB recently. I decided to drop the starter and get a closer look at everything. While the starter was off the car, I gave all the wiring fastened to it a good cleaning. Then, I cleaned the ground strap area under the hood, and cleaned everything associated with the battery terminals. A test at Autozone determined that the starter was locked up, so I put a new warranted starter in this afternoon. It spins up nicely and sounds like it turns faster than any previous starter that I have had on the car. Now, I know questions about the lights get asked all the time, but I want to make sure I do not miss anything. A few years ago, I added relays into the headlamp and hi-beam circuits, and all seemed well until about last November, when the starter began to act up. When I turn the headlamps on, the headlamps themselves come on, but no other lights do. No marker lights nor tail-lights. The brake lights still work, as do the turn signals. I am trying to remember where to check the voltage for the tail-lights at the fuse box, and how to check if power is making it back to the tail-light assemblies. This sort of thing is most frustrating cause I cannot think of any good reason for the lights to stop working. They just stopped. Thank you, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/steve@coastaldatasystems.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 07:04:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DF94032B for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com (mail-we0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D70F40324 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id o45so251218wer.36 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:02:40 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=d6Xcxik+Kkzfj4huzOvbprKzyVr1ZbZVXxgJylEgZAw=; b=GmZ49XvykriLg5aeD1PDOJ9Q7R3Q8gilhtTpgqJzhLbk0yPskSDoQ6OPAGolr/4Q0K 91opABchS26XstQZt/IIrV/yIKmMQTSOPHvCSJznaceOUdYG+nPLEsxeDqsfDXzTTiGH PnyAX00dVCZfigJFidpIevJvSjdXVTCf0mx3bWzNkbm///DvJyU2hKUYiI2WtAkPrL/M DR1R509mgJrTTG36GiiZ+wX07mHxcPb6w8bY8WFW8eyEuqBb8EOV2zKVY3rIW7RThkwO cqgcHj0AP6YCT4eXI2E8J2CKfRg1iW8lAVyc2k7tnrxYVSOflJI2+df+V2A5Xtr8GAp1 G1WQ== bp9mr17826051wjb.57.1364216560185; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4sm22252393wib.11.2013.03.25.06.02.38 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 06:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <8D59E15B-8682-44ED-9F2A-A20612EB25E0@epbfi.com> <011c01ce294d$4aad3910$e007ab30$@com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:52:58 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Starter update and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Assuming a chrome bumper the main rear light clusters and the front parking/indicator light units are earthed separately through their physical mountings, so a single earth fault isn't going to stop all of them working at once. Whilst the rear side markers do earth at that number plate bolt so do the reversing and number plate lights, so if the former are working it isn't that earth. The front side markers earth with the headlights, to a single point near the starter relay, so if the headlights are working it isn't that earth either. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I'd check grounds first. The tail lights and fuel pump ground at one point > inside boot right behind the number plate. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 16:03:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63D1403F0 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF67D403D9 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews03.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.170]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:01:15 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews03.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:01:15 +0100 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:01:14 +0100 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:01:16 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac4ppEXSvRZ1TqsJS3SKel4B9js6dQ== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[450C4350:01CE29A4] Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in English Daylight. The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed. What a waste! Another one lost for good.. I'll pamper mine - that's a promise! Cheers, Hans Duinhoven '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 17:49:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C672E425C1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:49:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CA44040B for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (75-121-39-23.dyn.centurytel.net [75.121.39.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2PNks2b028954 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:46:56 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: References: <006101ce29a4$4602b140$d20813c0$@planet.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:46:54 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4ppEXSvRZ1TqsJS3SKel4B9js6dQADloWQ a=G9fF119fcagA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QDZEAZjfByrpGWf8jjVJeA==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UmYmZjaLAAAA:8 a=KCL8f5U9WFAItBJ9pTgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QDZEAZjfByrpGWf8jjVJeA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they "consumed" 11 105e Anglias. I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:01 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in English Daylight. The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed. What a waste! Another one lost for good.. I'll pamper mine - that's a promise! Cheers, Hans Duinhoven '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 17:52:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E5340ECE for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45B14040B for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (108-169-4-61.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.61] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r2PNoWtA029420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:50:33 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:50:02 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Thread-Index: Ac4ppEXSvRZ1TqsJS3SKel4B9js6dQADloWQAAA14jo= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net on 3/25/13 4:46 PM, David F. Darby at ddarby@centurytel.net wrote: > When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they > "consumed" 11 105e Anglias. > > I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI. I'm sure it is, when you are talking about Anglias. When you see them wrecking Ferrari 250 GTOs, you can assume it's CGI... > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:01 PM > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up > > http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht > > This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in > English Daylight. > > The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed. > > What a waste! > > Another one lost for good.. > > I'll pamper mine - that's a promise! > > Cheers, > > Hans Duinhoven > '71 BGT -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 18:00:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2804740549 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail15.tpgi.com.au (mail15.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219794009A for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:56:39 -0600 (MDT) date=Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:54:29 +1100; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from 192-168-1-67.tpgi.com.au (60-242-4-206.static.tpgi.com.au [60.242.4.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail15.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2PNsRe8014353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:54:29 +1100 From: Murray Arundell Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:54:27 +1000 References: To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 11 less Anglias would make the world a better place :-) On 26/03/2013, at 9:50 AM, Max Heim wrote: > on 3/25/13 4:46 PM, David F. Darby at ddarby@centurytel.net wrote: > >> When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they >> "consumed" 11 105e Anglias. >> >> I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI. > > I'm sure it is, when you are talking about Anglias. When you see them > wrecking Ferrari 250 GTOs, you can assume it's CGI... > > >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:01 PM >> To: mgs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up >> >> http://www.hofman.nl/gallery/album/7/Daglicht >> >> This link shows some previews of the soon to be released "Daglicht" - in >> English Daylight. >> >> The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed. >> >> What a waste! >> >> Another one lost for good.. >> >> I'll pamper mine - that's a promise! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans Duinhoven >> '71 BGT > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 19:02:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA83425C1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D031940431 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id e14so6468821iej.30 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:57:54 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Jtcmt94EeA4e62+eQskdEJHAuw1jDpXm3+jrYnKqAX0=; b=Ac+LAZ5HdORvV4RjcUmEfxCbtQcTusB99cya7wZ+fzJKRneoOlFaAXHvFVgK9a7Fz6 BoCetTAMoBWf/2Q8hGhP0cKZzy+otEqnFrW9C19sqsURXUUK68Im46bhj2j8Yapf19bb PEQxIpWeuos83dSJi3dqkxV25O0UbysyuTK/Pb27R6XP4NOYy5GJvy/gR9aFX37hRNOx pjT89AlZ/NDrDHeLAU8v1VxxS694IOCLAeKmpWuid5i8/x/cH3nK79dCCn0M5WAD4eCK Tvr+X3rv1aCGmu0WmIC/Eu8tulBR4WI5AWKPm6nrQZb8i55jWr0NrYL0kBUt9vn+Ln53 sG3w== Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (184-97-245-106.mpls.qwest.net. [184.97.245.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wx2sm395639igb.4.2013.03.25.17.57.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:57:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:57:52 -0500 References: To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Max Heim wrote: > on 3/25/13 4:46 PM, David F. Darby at ddarby@centurytel.net wrote: > >> When they filmed the Harry Potter movie with the flying Ford, they >> "consumed" 11 105e Anglias. >> >> I guess its cheaper to use real sheet metal than to go with CGI. > > I'm sure it is, when you are talking about Anglias. When you see them > wrecking Ferrari 250 GTOs, you can assume it's CGI.. Ferris Bueller was a Corvette with a fiberglass "Ferrari" body. > >> >> David _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 21:06:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4034403FA for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8682403FA for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (99-195-146-123.dyn.centurytel.net [99.195.146.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r2Q33X5u019332 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 03:03:35 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: "'MG List'" References: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:03:32 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4ptJ1JxAzTpr67Q2muYyUPwBy3zQAGZDVw a=G9fF119fcagA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=plHhgX/26V59RupRfCqh8w==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hydXWSW0kXx5mnG_oAEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=plHhgX/26V59RupRfCqh8w==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Say it ain't so, Murray! :-( David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Murray Arundell Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up 11 less Anglias would make the world a better place :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 25 21:20:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61807427EE for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA51840545 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:18:51 -0600 (MDT) date=Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:16:41 +1100; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from ghs-wks03.ghs.local (60-242-4-206.static.tpgi.com.au [60.242.4.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2Q3Gber015474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:16:41 +1100 From: Murray Arundell Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:16:37 +1000 References: <19790A5299A14A1BBEDE849C12840790@YOURF3E40984A8> To: "David F. Darby" Cc: 'MG List' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 11 Triumph Stags would have definitely saved the planet.... On 26/03/2013, at 1:03 PM, "David F. Darby" wrote: > Say it ain't so, Murray! :-( > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Murray Arundell > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up > > 11 less Anglias would make the world a better place :-) > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 03:05:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DF14257E for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 03:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D20F406B1 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 03:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id z2so4648002wey.1 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=ccwdMbnwLi1O5pmqnZKSIaaJwnWThkUHYRq9R5+xheY=; b=FDgtE2sfc4SdCgGFJXdr4s2Mu3coZlDVxu7ys5m3YZmJjtlaojsNxQ1hU1k/QZmpxA h/oFRg715fa69tyWN9M+htTJMcVH3P4MmgGcDia06ceAUgDTF12xZPFvaxvTCFktToTU YO0um+OllBYfOR8qub4EsZn+UTs0gdFmYNIvzXP2F47EWsFflSMPBWYvVuSUunjnF2Gu nr1+yGSDqlKQQ4qpLhit6RYaPbj4JC/kMK1eawW77UOw2r2zEJnhzG7GVva3821rCrQF ZUWsUttmhWB6tWBRUZZp1TR6k12v7QEA8vdL8hQKOL/yIPDQMIzJWdBnvjLQFimYTyZ8 q4eg== wj10mr23212821wjb.12.1364288410924; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm1990761wib.0.2013.03.26.02.00.10 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , References: <006101ce29a4$4602b140$d20813c0$@planet.nl> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:57:42 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The thing that struck me was the relatively small amount of damage, which tallies with the crash-tests of the day. This car, however, is probably more than 40 years old and in poor condition externally at least. Originally the tests were 30mph square on to a concrete block. Hitting the front of lorry I would have expected the chassis rails to go under the bumper and the damage to extend a lot further back on the upper parts of the car. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The pics show ho wan MGB GT is part of this movie and is crashed. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 23:01:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0B340547 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23986403DD for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GUoP1l0060SCNGk55UuaTy; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:54:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.136] ([71.228.236.233]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GUuY1l00S52pXB33VUuaHN; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:54:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:54:28 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1364360074; bh=Ye2ADtbuqdb3bdEThuO9jJhC4V+KWksCJlH9CE7D/QA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=Dr1tVg/Z6rAJn6WbFIv/8qYaHcHC5CQy+jwy9V5S2OYYCXgyMI9fdOWtbEfBzCs2Z 4nHdxHcQ7R/gHwK8RNx1UOlRBbucEz/90QucPZqVXSIYRXaemdT/IGztGqHiBPMrsC haoEQmLifMiZxoRG+KpbBUQ9qq7J52HhAHzQd5/mr5pIzxTOiigj/DwJtWMEYGpgAr cXjJ+Z9wnxCKn+tBzfJ/z+Xrmf6IO3AaUQGMarHhjw963P8DVzQ7wIQNzYSNfU7f5v 7k+fweU7tDsitrWPuUUp950tSPnwpj+/srx8s4K7rgywXBkPWxBH8D9ESaS60byq7C 2aGqI8ugiFyxA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Could possibly have saved MG... What's more important here? On 3/26/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: Murray Arundell > To: "David F. Darby" > Cc: 'MG List' > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up > Message-ID:<2C42B780-C868-44C2-BA79-CB2C06CCEDA9@ghs.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > 11 Triumph Stags would have definitely saved the planet.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 26 23:23:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CBB40547 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD77403F5 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GVM11l0020QuhwU58VM1oP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:21:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.136] ([71.228.236.233]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GVLz1l00R52pXB33NVM0ow; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:21:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:20:55 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1364361661; bh=AWYVh8MVdoWpKe/dOIGwi9sYb50KpdPd1z9YynlDg/U=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=tS+lqbUodeqTIuExe+AnV10hlO+fE37Unt/mKcPmC27damwnEYTAdfphIxm0O0MMN RcLbxet9PkhuRuXyvGSWoaNJL8P7CuJpzJA0ck2aYhjIWr3Es7fcWe93nwPHbPv5ps 7MtfqWqRLacrddZLLZAmS/son/LxC/2BhSrVWJQVK+g4LX4A9SySy9ITXbnM/Sqosd 6w2ANdCy2x7Z6lk5CCTadg7xTjwP7Lh9ufvudz2buwYMtyaGsljE8RtJHBmteDFrl1 VTyciPv+3mMXQa/wioyaALsTuhfadGgSEOBVOISRD4SwiP+SufiPge2zoDcJblNkFn WiBM6/RYvXO7w== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It also tallies with the two wrecks I've been in with B's. The first one I rear-ended at forty mph a full sized Buick at a dead stop after the guy between us swerved to reveal him. (My fault, I admit) I walked away without injury and no one else was hurt, thankfully. I was actually able to re-use some of the front suspension bits and the engine survived. In the other *I* was rear ended, at a dead stop waiting for a light, by a kid with a cell phone but no insurance or skid marks at about 35 or 40 mph. I limped away but didn't require a hospital visit. I'm still using the rear end, prop shaft and transmission from that car. And the engine is in the bay waiting a rebuild. And they were both roadsters. Sturdy little cars. I have a suspicion that the rust formed crush zones that Sid or the factory hadn't thought about. The other thing I noticed in the photos was WOW, what a slick way to do a paint job! Think about it - do the smoothing, and apply a polymer plastic film that has an underlayment of POR-15 to stop the rust! And that's only for the first layer! You could have rip-off colors! Glenn "Too old to see it through" Schnittke On 3/26/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: "PaulHunt73" > To: "Hans Duinhoven", > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stupid movie coming up > Message-ID:<1F82BDA202744500B6A73333BE764F17@paul> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The thing that struck me was the relatively small amount of damage, which > tallies with the crash-tests of the day. This car, however, is probably > more than 40 years old and in poor condition externally at least. > Originally the tests were 30mph square on to a concrete block. Hitting the > front of lorry I would have expected the chassis rails to go under the > bumper and the damage to extend a lot further back on the upper parts of the > car. > > PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 00:00:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB1F4043A for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 00:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66197403D5 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130327055408.PSZK21802.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:54:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([72.199.157.107]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id GVu81l0062KJoQg01Vu8y5; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:54:08 -0400 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:17 a=f5b0H3g8muEA:10 a=igX0j1cOTnwA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=gxj3kG44yPcA:10 a=W4uCbKaqAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ogFqOOC6MHuV2xMCELMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=qaWLhtn1pA-m7QKI:21 a=LaZNf18f9XHsVkV1:21 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:54:07 -0700 From: David Ambrose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Pictures of Rick's new project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sweet sweet car. It will be a fun project. The tires look like they're for mud and snow. Is that for real? On 3/24/2013 3:55 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I figured out how to connect to my site now that secure FTP is > required. And once connected, I uploaded a bunch of pictures! Please > enjoy. > > The pictures are in two groups, both groups taken by Bill Schooler (to > give proper photo credit). > > The first group (without the MD in the filename) is a compilation of > the pictures Bill sent to me when we were discussing the purchase. > > The second group (WITH MD in the filename) is a compilation of the > pictures Bill and his wife took of the car being loaded on the > transporter. That's Bill in the first picture - the guy in the cool > hat! The lady in the car is one of the two truck drivers. > > Here's the site: www.aubard.us/MGTD > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/stargazer1@cox.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 01:19:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7260A40EC3 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F497403F5 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 01:19:06 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=f5b0H3g8muEA:10 a=IIsNJ9W_d2sA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pgAHxa2LMx6rVu8zYBoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ksLBfU1GwadfHjp+xKptQg==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.73] ([72.172.26.73:53152] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id A1/6F-12276-5EC92515; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 03:16:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:16:49 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <51527B84.60508@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's all in your point of view. To the film makers it's just a prop. CR On 3/26/2013 11:54 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > Could possibly have saved MG... What's more important here? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Mar 27 05:56:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D073540438 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58BC40396 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id l29so7203443iag.17 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:54:19 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=X8u/+qPI6ckHF0uCimrVAs2xqPIzg4gFBsseByLvpXg=; b=IvBmNwpU85oz5azc8K0M3Po8QeLpu56OxSr90J/kXNFzXQzSJVx2nLSSrKSt8lqOn6 iAmmtEaIikHpEF7+o9BXrqdI2syNFKp9iR1ypORTgqnRH5G7WANbRTLkb8+FIHCwl4v3 ClehA9Fi3k6E4y9rE7akJYeYS04QxZ2IjVrSRf7WfwrXG27u3oFEsmUhVdzJFrPIT3lg /Vs/66jUUXtWMYO4mK4AZGgXm88D3XXrdHiJeerrLugBwGJvNfBrSoG4z8IqCzMHt2u2 agKOQg+TNV1XZT7WeD+9H0MNYqbBhQu6mkuAvo84Kjn8gTg+g+yi/qJrSnOPH0OjjRtN NBMg== d10mr3932964igm.26.1364385258984; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (174-20-33-45.mpls.qwest.net. [174.20.33.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dy5sm6893906igc.1.2013.03.27.04.54.16 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:54:15 -0500 References: <515281B7.8090302@comcast.net> To: Glenn Schnittke Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My guess is that that film doesn't even make a good 10 foot car. I did kind of like the look without the chrome strip. On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > > The other thing I noticed in the photos was WOW, what a slick way to do a paint job! > > Think about it - do the smoothing, and apply a polymer plastic film that has an underlayment of POR-15 to stop the rust! And that's only for the first layer! You could have rip-off colors! > > > Glenn "Too old to see it through" Schnittke _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 28 08:06:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE5B4288E for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCDD424B2; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 08:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 184-197-189-83.pools.spcsdns.net ([184.197.189.83] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ULDR0-0006FK-3w; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:04:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:03:55 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: Spridgets@autox.team.net, MGs Subject: [Mgs] Hagerty's 10 Best Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Some of you may have seen this already. We don't know anyone who would do such things.....do we? ;-) http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Articles/2013/03/25/April-Fools?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2003-27-2013 OR use the tiny version: *http://tinyurl.com/bpqp3p4 *Dave W.* * _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 28 10:29:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45F3406A9 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A86E403DA for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id e11so1652629wgh.4 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:26:14 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=YlnTifzlKyVreYSmdcePUwRbBoVegPTnpUmN+EXfxlw=; b=A9NSb1NUZlsZwgcyx6ICGQB/HJrhwTat5L8qrLPfXpcXQVW1+Ekj7YWAGHsYJdtgzi L0iwGSIIPUI06/8YDspXZr2G6siy458P0z/ulzp9zU8b/qliFwbzWh8AURjvOf3PaXnD Xxp55DoHiEyj6VSSyU8LEjse8zUoiROCzeMdRcBrU24yPeTs4CvZrEc+K3PBduyqHb9G 5iT6dN+PsRqf8QGwLYvgcIhn8lCkSZCukPzl/oBsfH3dv3YxdtGNQOzSlvdkoGkCw4Aq 96hls/KrHFJEasIV8EOoyMoh2UTP49nucxm7vzfRn2wwGLVxX+FEWpa7p452vUKlPvjw 8djA== v16mr17467430wib.1.1364487974238; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm15161524wiy.6.2013.03.28.09.26.13 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "MGs" References: <51544DCB.5030607@wi.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:26:09 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Hagerty's 10 Best Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I liked the topical one in Germany where a snow covered VW Beetle was illegally parked. The Police went to ticket it, tried to scrape the snow off the number plate, then realised the whole car was made of snow. In typical German style they said "It might have been a joke but it was still causing an obstruction ..." http://tinyurl.com/bv3rjp3 ----- Original Message ----- > Some of you may have seen this already. We don't know anyone who would > do such things.....do we? ;-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 29 16:43:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660714249F for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF8F40402; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E616A073A; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:43:30 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: Spridget list , MG List Subject: [Mgs] It arrived Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=149 This episode regarding the Weber 42 DCOE was mainly a Spridget list thing, but there was some overlap with the MG list as well. Thanks again. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 30 19:07:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB0040418 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:07:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325A6403C6 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp14-2-39-103.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.178.40]) ([14.2.39.103]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 31 Mar 2013 11:33:53 +1030 From: Eric Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 11:33:53 +1030 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 31/03/2013, at 11:12 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > > Next step was to rebuild the high-tone horn. It was not working so a > full rebuild was indicated. First of all, I took pictures of the > mounting and wiring, again to aid in correct reassembly. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1038.JPG > Sheesh straight into it! You had better be careful or you will finish this so quickly you will be looking for your next project before Christmas!! ;-) Eric _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 30 19:48:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303164041D for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f179.google.com (mail-gh0-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B6E403C6 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 19:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f179.google.com with SMTP id z12so210347ghb.38 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=/WncK/dku3PDHDoVScbW3NWhl2s8zVeRJ4r5RbAfdzk=; b=SrYJ5OaEnF8Kuwp8MYnF3UzuQbzP8gdTQh1TTk4AxuuKeu+WaIpAAovo1tr+NNjZ92 sfJbApNxbBDa88YVQRbDvuXyplu4c+ZdsYvw4vvEGKgu3BSB3nzrgUajm3OUPV8es5VF ufR3co7OGgReCH50ZwVX71wbNHPEeUZSOduU2zlPn5uetc4NE0dJT7Ku5b/lOSf0wlxT 3nUx0GERbyjbfSa6VQCtnggvj5dZEfn6j/bSogz+7rYa15BvVHS8L/aPkkQzZ0mPO9p3 13OrBjs9QI/Yx3Y35TZFRebv3vmaYt84L/xGhuERcZ79bXFbUqPgXwFH4+erQQxZflyH zZsg== l19mr5038978yhj.79.1364694335536; Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t9sm14412717yhh.0.2013.03.30.18.45.34 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:45:32 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: eric@erickson.on.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net :-) B That would be awesome! -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Eric Date: 03/30/2013 8:03 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Richard Lindsay Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas On 31/03/2013, at 11:12 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > > Next step was to rebuild the high-tone horn.B It was not working so a > full rebuild was indicated.B First of all, I took pictures of the > mounting and wiring, again to aid in correct reassembly. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1038.JPG > Sheeshb& straight into it! You had better be careful or you will finish this so quickly you will be looking for your next project before Christmas!! ;-) Eric _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net