From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 05:11:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE854256C for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 05:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41B2B40439 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 05:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2013 11:01:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2013 11:01:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2013 11:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 49180 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2013 11:01:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364814093; bh=l/74qYyz7YfIqnHQjQ5vHRlWjcO2+axI4PcoE65adaA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KwocUC+sAp0rci7mpW/23B5EBVpH69kXMw0AK7NlzeFLqVVhu0bzsaOh/dazrK4B+/Th6l0GnM6zBq5zg1E+CHQgzr7AquHdTt1I/+6Evk788mGQc5T1t+oBOJ1GRMK88gjR+lcz9dNAw97FyU9+b/ByjPFbpRe5vg0OclgXB2A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yVRSrQCoRgu2vS5pTvFN5HeQC8f+kAvc9wi2DYZQ9iV/X+nCr87nQmbzbHGYaMds834yQIp+OHJ0ZcUdFsKhJOytBZ1NhWHq7HBWGem9H1RThWE8IGaoiHIhjOV1B2YVF3z0Q70mjeHwHET40Kz6S2fTYfLTEgggOKMmSgSqAI4=; TC9DGZwtu3Luqfa5XclT03ncA7I4QDGX.cL2SxToWIvzn6fVgiMxamD7vWkO PPkhMrbm5hAtfJf_XX3hY2_riDnaWskAmfV4Cb03nQHwFlVNwK0P.5TX5cUv .IIKUZWZ5HGWqu3SVGgiol23VGi._o4g3G3pZi.FxPDRnklmi1bAnIk2fZbS tOLR1bdr5_GrePRovSvCNWHocUWcKIK9IqzcFHTJ1nvQ0_Uh3Nx4M2z0MkJk 7Xc1hyP3zXB4a6Ba1DMEgsINytIIEkYE2F8ebxci_9oBG7LmmWJtsBqwkKEk n7cRZ9ySmddUMJXSetee3WXbX.BzQuHBqeZS3_3KbIjvpt1LTW.hkonq.r_G jJFJS69Wmy9P9PbV1LN2nBZY7ZgzcY9FG.MNK1PAnVLDsSP9.gsQY_PUjdj2 a3oRabb7npi4ejV1v4h8yfQCXWD7AYmJP57MzC1dQXPa8FRki4YKkLZIkf7C CcRVCSEp_RvOFpxXvJ6ax_uSF.i2jORgMIhTtK6NW.teVcLrf3yVI9MRF1HV VAWNau4XlDJB5u.XBLfQhIUVJ0axpx86owg-- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Apr 2013 04:01:33 PDT TG9va3MgbGlrZSB5b3UgYXJlIG9mZiB0byBhIGdvb2Qgc3RhcnQsIFJpY2shCgpEYW4gRAonNzZCCic2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IFJ1aSBHaWdhbnRlIDxydWkuZ2lnYW50ZUBnbWFpbC5jb20.IApTZW50OiBTYXR1cmRheSwgTWFyY2ggMzAsIDIwMTMgODo0MiBQTQpTdWIBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 04:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like you are off to a good start, Rick! Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui Gigante Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: [Mgs] The MG TD arrives in Texas Hello Friends, The MG TD I bought from Mr. Bill Schooler has arrived here in Texas. Enclosed Vehicle Transport delivered the car to my garage (Yes, they helped push it up the drive and into the garage.) and here I am with the car. May I proudly say, the car is everything Bill said it would be, and perhaps even better than he described. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/MG_TD_in_garage.JPG Following below are a number of pictures I took today as work began. First of all, here's the car. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1029.JPG Yea, it looks really rough - and it is - but its complete and ultimately restorable. Bill couldn't get the car started before loading on the transporter so I decided to examine the fuel pump - the rumored defective link. If I could get it running I could do a hot compression test. Here's how it looked. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1030.JPG Here are a couple more pictures taken to aid in reassembly. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1035.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1036.JPG Upon removal of the filter I discovered a LOT of debris in the filter. Further examination showed that diaphragm to be damaged. And in reality, the engine will get completely rebuild so the intended compression test was just to satisfy my curiosity. It will have to wait. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1037.JPG I haven't yet decided whether to rebuild this pump or to just replace it with an aftermarket one from Moss. A betting man might benefit from choosing the rebuild option. Next step was to rebuild the high-tone horn. It was not working so a full rebuild was indicated. First of all, I took pictures of the mounting and wiring, again to aid in correct reassembly. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1038.JPG Inside, the horn was just fine but with heavily corroded contacts. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1039.JPG Back on the workbench, the contacts were cleaned and refaced, just as one would do with ignition points. I then stripped all the paint and sanded away the rust. The horn was then reassembled with a little lubricant on the moving bits (but not the points, of course) and tested on the bench power supply. Voila! It worked great! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1040.JPG Once reassembled, a coat of engine primer followed by a coat of gloss black engine paint put it ready for re-installation. Of course, that will have to wait for MONTHS but, when reassembly time comes, this part, like the rest, will be ready for a nice clean rebuild. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130330_165733.jpg I moved on the the other horn but got no further than disassembly. This horn does work but it too will receive the full process. And with that, the day's work ended. Its a tiny bit of progress but it IS progress. Simple and clean. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 20:17:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373D040530 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068E140420 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp118-210-195-158.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO ericconsultants-macbook-pro.fritz.box) ([118.210.195.158]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2013 12:20:59 +1030 From: Eric Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:20:58 +1030 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Only in our world... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 02/04/2013, at 9:27 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Only in our perverted world would this be called progress! > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1057.JPG > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1058.JPG > Maaate - that is hardly a project. I would drive it as is! ;-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 02:08:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A49140E45 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 02:08:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AAC40531 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 01:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hr17so2239902wib.17 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 00:52:09 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=jl3MAnoFBBIqz6eqncJnxaTtgZsVrcHnvxiOLz4DDWI=; b=RmLYb6NcgUM2LSrN56OZKun84/i70bY+YknpPtbju6L2QzsF559/FGn299DH1xj0NW kdTwpwFQjfoxCREJxxsacUJraBrYaZp+sNJol/epIZo7fzX2Ok9QE003yZnjx5ujKat9 UHyO+nmeISzKRcxWIkfS9eQ0MpVwN8w/oeVn5sEFZWMsihTxm9Yd94YSyQQRPV7zNKkN v/Cvq4AnAqz9TjAivnxGIqngbitumEv0aMrAfW2XLzgRQUqp5WCqsKG/4BH/+gdHKDIj I4sivfN7fx7A4sJ1lMeH1AMhdCAfRqiJzz3NC4Ok8cyzLqY6thIlS5KfDaWQqdhrQ3TF ykgw== bp9mr19717513wjb.57.1364889129658; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 00:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Nicely patinated ... ----- Original Message ----- > Only in our perverted world would this be called progress! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 2 16:45:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7008742574 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D317242549; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hv10so983683vcb.26 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6AQPevki2mKXnSx4iOEAq5I7C01D5TOtrQLZC9sSxWo=; b=UHKmYWJ4kIMJF/zxEVs4v3attfX7DuoPgMprvyt2cNY35GdZUXOHOoB0y3zCgnwBru hX8hZtM3cYKOSd51KuKXiB5FnSCq+gfcrqW0Gy2san4YYb8aTOPxGz2uidsJf7UvjwwT xfxOU6ufaAJoRYPvn7j3tEDuM78LLgXU0Hnn2Gu9sfGq4VoMFzj25x53FNbDYoktx2H2 5Ug0cPTraSjSvdCon136MASD5slmHcbkMMe/8FfS4vJJRgNTiC1KRubiljfbhxa0Xd/J fY0f67UuWCZ+CkqX2Obs3hEE2BaAf9IxYanNZoLw5iLoe7EiHMkbf1uppPpbs0gl6Bk0 +cEg== bq20mr12145221vdc.128.1364940881256; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:14:41 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Neil Shannon , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Tuesday's work... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, It was a long, fun day. Today I worked on gauges, switches and instruments. Here are a few pictures to photo-document the work. First is a picture of the the speedometer, just as it came out of the dash. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1062.jpg Now I'm going to do a bait-n-switch and show pictures of the tach being restored first. I just didn't have a 'before' of the tach. Here's how the back end of the instrument looks. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1059.JPG First step was to remove the clock and clean its face. Notice that the minute hand shows rust. Both hands will be cleaned and painted before reassembly. Also, notice how much the dial has faded over the past 60 years! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1061.JPG I cleaned the works with a uber-fine brush and degreaser, then added a tiny bit of clock oil. I then attached power but no joy. I switched the power supply to show current and it registered zero. Looks like the coil is open. Or...I'm no watchmaker! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1060.JPG Here's a look at the tack after refurbishing, sitting next to the untouched speedo. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1065.JPG And before anyone goes ballistic, yes I did paint the trim ring medium brown. It was rusted and I don't have 60-year-faded-metallic-aqua-paint on the shelf! I thought about using black, white, silver, or left un-refinished and rusty. I then decided to paint the trim ring the same color that the instrument panel will be! Some day the right paint might become available and I can correct this 'error'. Until then, at least it will look intentional. Here's a look at both instruments, ready to re-install. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1066.JPG You might have noticed that the two instruments' faces are slightly different color. They are both labeled '53' and probably just represent the variability coming from the manufacturer. Moving on to other work, here's a look at the starter-pull, nicely refinished. Note the pitting on the chrome. This is as good as I could make it. The Bakelite knob has a coat of (Krylon) clear gloss acrylic, giving it that deep brown, new Bakelite appearance. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1069.JPG Here is a picture of the rest of the afternoon's work. The ignition and lighting switch knob was refinished with acrylic, just like described above. The chrome was polished and is now ready for the inner portion of the chrome to be painted, leaving the chrome ring. The Ammeter was also refurbished but it really just needed cleaning and the chrome polished. Finally, the horn-push is shown. It is reassembled with incorrect screws but they are holding everything together. I'll replace the screws before installation. And finally, here are a couple of yet-to-do projects! Not pictured are the remaining switches and knobs. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1070.JPG And that's it. At the end of the day, the results may seem pretty small, but the amount of work to get this far is huge. With best regards, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 08:08:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3C6429C5 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C8A40EA3 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 07:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 13:44:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.202] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 13:44:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2013 13:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 69262 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2013 13:44:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1364996692; bh=5lSNfM1yFoo2EyuOTOxhI3WOB76aQSmeTHqaWT6UlrI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xCMzgKH4AodAuBMdR+SJYgmdEQpsyllZNAgTTv3riVx1Cvwawof3t1L9taHwNH+PHbbipX25lzv8fetZ29j1cl9j1gJ86oZdFBk56GvkEaXXg0uM5Qi//9DUKMGxI/v0dBi8NfqsWeZ9O/7FvuY7JKCTa/rXHhj+czKDX3H13nY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PZYqZQs7G2up1Ar87AOVZgKZ3KTqbNgMiVuECT/draQyKkso+GsLgNNI60tO5j4IRL3uIqtxNSfwmXFnNPs2aC7ADgSLRGJmaJzsIODQAiiAUtYlSN7yQQPaVPHhN5iWiP/q3CkLeM4KHNuO7TQQwlj7wPzBLpNJPDpXaO1JT2E=; AvT8z3gg5bMhoAy6zpa8d8s5WHiFghJh53EhgPRDyJ.sIH1ZKol.Yitf35Qw R79OqK2B6a65EsS7IMCuMBUgHcJR5cTPDDNz6qpAYd2KjQmyIH4t0I2I4ZyA iD0bk5DzbZAV5rEtXXZGCv2Bz9Geyp4quogcs2ThlA5aiJuW513pprJ4IcXP CExpg.ZgeMDqpgSQQQqtyW4NcAcyHZavrd2YlP38UeSo.sXA47BbBjckAG3V vFaQhojVCCbzSA7wD7b0.WkbNR3qUYYbz1Q3wW9tmI3xFn9FG6_ywNn8Sc3k ojC.UEuXiuKf0s897zFo9BKxiAQtQYKRXfpa3iwZEw8GxZZLmuAiohdiAM_L rD.ST6UBcXEasEie4aoxcbvqsUUKna1W0Tx9ZY_sd4l7Cp73Zy8JsJDMhyoa 49.9B3ELq6XrOh.WfuxbjE5C6APH666dkMPj6RHv3EVv9ofjxgE86Qu1b0.u ubS74Rk6cwYzqTjsZbnRtsNSJmnyQ3O.uGvAnn3zhWoUUDKN_vmh7S5GdifQ hBPuCEX7tgy3gR3wn08dWGqvCasTpklbmW8Y- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 06:44:52 PDT TG9va2luZyBnb29kLCBSaWNrLi4uLi4gbWFuLCBJIHdpc2ggSSB3YXMgcmV0aXJlZCEhIQoKRGFuIEQKJzc2IEIKJzY1IEIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IE5laWwgU2hhbm5vbiA8bmVpbHRzaGFubm9uQGdtYWlsLmNvbT47IFJ1aSBHaWdhbnRlIDxydWkuZ2lnYW50ZUBnbWFpbC4BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 06:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tuesday's work... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking good, Rick..... man, I wish I was retired!!! Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net; Neil Shannon ; Rui Gigante Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: [Mgs] Tuesday's work... Hello Friends, It was a long, fun day. Today I worked on gauges, switches and instruments. Here are a few pictures to photo-document the work. First is a picture of the the speedometer, just as it came out of the dash. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1062.jpg Now I'm going to do a bait-n-switch and show pictures of the tach being restored first. I just didn't have a 'before' of the tach. Here's how the back end of the instrument looks. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1059.JPG First step was to remove the clock and clean its face. Notice that the minute hand shows rust. Both hands will be cleaned and painted before reassembly. Also, notice how much the dial has faded over the past 60 years! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1061.JPG I cleaned the works with a uber-fine brush and degreaser, then added a tiny bit of clock oil. I then attached power but no joy. I switched the power supply to show current and it registered zero. Looks like the coil is open. Or...I'm no watchmaker! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1060.JPG Here's a look at the tack after refurbishing, sitting next to the untouched speedo. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1065.JPG And before anyone goes ballistic, yes I did paint the trim ring medium brown. It was rusted and I don't have 60-year-faded-metallic-aqua-paint on the shelf! I thought about using black, white, silver, or left un-refinished and rusty. I then decided to paint the trim ring the same color that the instrument panel will be! Some day the right paint might become available and I can correct this 'error'. Until then, at least it will look intentional. Here's a look at both instruments, ready to re-install. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1066.JPG You might have noticed that the two instruments' faces are slightly different color. They are both labeled '53' and probably just represent the variability coming from the manufacturer. Moving on to other work, here's a look at the starter-pull, nicely refinished. Note the pitting on the chrome. This is as good as I could make it. The Bakelite knob has a coat of (Krylon) clear gloss acrylic, giving it that deep brown, new Bakelite appearance. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1069.JPG Here is a picture of the rest of the afternoon's work. The ignition and lighting switch knob was refinished with acrylic, just like described above. The chrome was polished and is now ready for the inner portion of the chrome to be painted, leaving the chrome ring. The Ammeter was also refurbished but it really just needed cleaning and the chrome polished. Finally, the horn-push is shown. It is reassembled with incorrect screws but they are holding everything together. I'll replace the screws before installation. And finally, here are a couple of yet-to-do projects! Not pictured are the remaining switches and knobs. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1070.JPG And that's it. At the end of the day, the results may seem pretty small, but the amount of work to get this far is huge. With best regards, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 11:41:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF9942A9A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8744942801 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-167.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r33HA06x002018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:00:06 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Bother... Thread-Index: Ac4wjLDLo3BiCnRW2kO/1eLECi9vHw== Subject: [Mgs] Bother... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Putting my bike away last evening, I saw a puddle under the left rear tire of the MG. Brake fluid. Last drove it on Friday, and the brakes were fine. The wheel cylinder can't be that old -- I can actually remember replacing the pair (well, all that means is within the last 15 years, I suppose). Since it's my only car right now, I got on the web to Moss and ordered two rebuild kits, plus clips and boots, 2nd day air, with the idea of dealing with it this weekend. The brake work isn't bad (and there is a nice tip on the Moss site about how to handle the silly clips), it's the interminable bleeding I'm not looking forward to. Hmm, maybe I should have ordered shoes... They are probably soaked. I suppose it's possible they could be sourced locally. In other news, the badge fell off the grill somewhere, leaving an empty escutcheon. I have a new-in-box grill, but I found out years ago that it wouldn't fit without grinding away a lot of body filler (the PO fitted a 73 grill, which has a shallower surround). I was always waiting for when I fitted the replacement fenders, but maybe I should just get cracking on it as a minor project, and fit the new hood at the same time -- the car would almost look respectable (well, if it were painted). -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 18:34:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164F643190 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7608142FF8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC671A07E8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:05:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:05:43 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] The Good, the bad, the ?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net So the annual fund drive is coming up, where I beg for folks to support Team.Net with monetary contributions [ http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often ] But I want to make sure that folks feel they are getting something of value. What do you like about the current Team.Net setup? What would you like to see changed, added, reworked? Comments, complaints, feel free to pontificate. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 20:21:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A8A4321F for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355E9431B4 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B67FF1C0000EB; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mue003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mue003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.197.201]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8B0D9E00008A; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:52:25 -0400 (EDT) References: <515CCB5E.50803@bradakis.com> To: mark@bradakis.com, mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net From: tmcnam4510@aol.com Received: from 67.82.102.240 by webmail-d157.sysops.aol.com (205.188.58.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:52:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:52:25 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1365040345; bh=eBTytAUlAAJ/epMW2pKKkrsz0diOuccE9jsJ9CkJGFw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F3emnOfzU0rNTPzfPcewmkqUlNUbAFjdWi437QxjB6fWYAVoHNJerdozW3g+zI6po W8oswKGJrA4OpI9YbEAfHh2ZzpxtvTqbXXKgrNwSZ0z9wszUP4HcAJ2BGGPx1ZTmwp hJADXjECBoxPtYj6N7xSd9sXIG5a+k0SDm3dEzik= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909515cdcd94caf Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Grandbaby's are a lot better than MG's! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: mgs ; mg-t Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Richard Lindsay wrote: > ...I did play with our new grandbaby!!! Woohoo! > > > Nice. I really need to get busy on a project or two. As was mentioned doing even just one thing a day gets you closer to the final goal. The weather here in Salt Lake is getting nice and warm, I need to get in the habit of spending at least half in hour in the garage every day. mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tmcnam4510@aol.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 23:11:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CF7429F3 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 23:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C3CB4298F for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 22:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13939 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2013 04:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 04:46:13 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=E/yzr5mFAq7mbqmyeplDTFZarhJLeg8od7/5WQHiNqc=; b=Yk8Rvyw+tuBOBgVsaT08DCcrN7VojM/mlvRrOTODXspMsJq97d2+sjkSXE2dnIBUCZHmsebmaMzeGGNlfvrJBGXHVsWVIjb06UxK94KzFRfxThaMAHD/on4JOuYlWrvp; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36913 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UNc3x-0004Fv-8r; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:46:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 23:46:12 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: 4 - MG Ts , 4 - MGs {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: [Mgs] MG/Spridget Stuff on eBay ! ! ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Some kewl MG stuff ! ! ! Stumbled across it, so NFI ! ! ! http://tinyurl.com/co5xe7p or* * http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html;jsessionid=65D46F311DB572489B86E819743612B9?_nkw=RARE%202012%201978%20MG%20MGB%20MGB%20ROADSTER%20Convertible%20Steering%20Wheel%20Sport%20Metal%20Watch&_itemId=271124758536 I have bought a few things in the past from Hong Kong, but NEVER China ! ! Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 02:27:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1555B426BB for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 02:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f175.google.com (mail-we0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8942571 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 01:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id t11so1804411wey.20 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:54:52 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=IobM94BFieTRdItYghzeDdUU/NHN0RIO4IYnlX0/dIE=; b=S81m+j7J6JsrFi0rAadhC0oi0XP3pqlL8+BxXTtfkk5rt0pNyp8714FE0EFFiGM5b/ zfmJ/StOB0Gaw2PR1HGf4FGbwEqOI6C7610W94AfQOVucVaoU0ZQZSmFsXA2y84tFQQ9 J89qLuvTDWzwahBxgHZ8afIZxX3+6XRFX/BoE48FKKb2tmNF5CIYr+ysXZbVeTeG0MhW D33L0GZ2C51F8DUi4xGCyA1dh1fkG2nlSq8jxPC3Qvg3aFdYJBqL/Ak5QdMVaNk/lvxv tQ5KRg7XLPVzd1QnSuA27TYpuh5X/f5wzvoP7L2vsBpptQAGErSZtW+0WM6EbUtmGAIj yjXw== gk13mr27534302wic.25.1365062092609; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13sm2224918wie.0.2013.04.04.00.54.51 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:54:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bother... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Exactly my thoughts when I had to re-replace one last year just a week before the first run on the season - only 12 years. I got two slaves complete though, just changing the faulty one. Bleeding only took a couple of minutes, but then it is a single line system. Biggest problem was not being able to turn the brake pipe nut without the pipe going with it, so I unscrewed the slave from the pipe and screwed the new one on, fortunately the thread starts were compatible. Later in the year found the V8 clutch slave leaking after only 13 years. Examining both I was struck by how easy it was to push the piston with it's seal into the bore, and there was no visible wear on the lips of the seals. I can remember many years ago it's been a bit of a struggle to get new seals in, and the old seals have shown obvious wear. Conclusion? Current seals are too small and take very little wear before they give up, possibly metric rubber in Imperial bores! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The wheel cylinder can't be that old -- I can actually remember replacing > the pair (well, all that means is within the last 15 years, I suppose). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 06:49:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3343942AE1 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 111F1424B8 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 06:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20056 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 12:27:21 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 12:27:21 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:26:24 -0400 thread-index: Ac4wx4itgJKAz731RgOwi9UOKN4rwwAZ+/rw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Where are the power sockets available? I'm working on an early Land-Rover and need a set of those. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- I next cleaned and evaluated the power sockets from the instrument panel. The metal bits are fine but the black and red insulators are shot (falling apart) - and they're expensive. I also don't expect to reconnect them so I went for an alternative; two grommets in the holes with the metal bits re-installed. One of the grommets is now red. Later, if I (or someone) wants to reconnect these sockets, the parts are available. Picture of the grommet follows, and in a later picture with the other bits. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1074.JPG _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 08:39:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE22D439E9 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1633442850 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:11:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.225.111.205] (helo=wm.wi.net) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UNkpt-00078J-By; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:08:17 -0500 Received: from 184.197.115.41 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:08:17 -0500 (CDT) References: <00c301ce312f$9f698640$de3c92c0$@com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:08:17 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net To: "Stephen West-Fisher" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Try Holden's. http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?sg=1&pgCode=082&sgName=Electrical&pgName=Wiring&agCode=0490&agName=Plugs+%26+Sockets&pCode=080.041 OR http://tinyurl.com/cud8sxs Also: www.morgan-spares.com I used the latter but they probably all get their stock from the same source. Check which type of sockets you have; couple of different types. Dave W. Where are the power sockets available? I'm working on an early Land-Rover > and need a set of those. > > -- > Stephen West-Fisher > N4IK > > > -----Original Message----- > > > I next cleaned and evaluated the power sockets from the instrument panel. > The metal bits are fine but the black and red insulators are shot (falling > apart) - and they're expensive. I also don't expect to reconnect them so > I > went for an alternative; two grommets in the holes with the metal bits > re-installed. One of the grommets is now red. > Later, if I (or someone) wants to reconnect these sockets, the parts are > available. Picture of the grommet follows, and in a later picture with > the > other bits. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1074.JPG > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 08:56:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04561439F1 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5996442F16 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:28:40 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1365085543; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=WCKtkbDI5Elf7auzOc/KM8dE07e30nuZUqWOh1l3IU0JlZF/ySB+Edi7uC52swBVg +9d0TPPRNUFINh4YQy9ithPhZwkfcCJBbIN1pYVbc7qGBMLcZz5ml5OAqRFFtLZWv8 uQjuKoWSud839O4IxAWAgiJmmVUp/1T+MPaxFFfU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJX5DK6A6KD33S for (sender ); Thu, 4 Apr 2013 07:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:23:08 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:23:08 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Rick, Thanks for keeping us up to date on your progress. The photos are impressive. One can remove most paints from plastic, such as the signal switch, with brake fluid. TD's instrument lights are surprisingly bright. There is a charming reference to them in Ken Purdy's Kings of the Road, in which he notes that the driver of some Detroit iron was able to see them as the TD merrily passed him on a twisty road. .Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Neil Shannon , Rui Gigante , Ed Helsing Subject: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:34:29 -0500 ...I did play with our new grandbaby!!! Woohoo! Hello Friends, I did make progress this afternoon so I'll share that work. First of all, I cleaned the choke cable, inside and out, and cleaned away a little surface rust on the outer sheath. I also cleaned and _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:23:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB87442A6 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7A6439A6 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b12so2765120wgh.18 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=WOwHD7y2xglNes9Pa+MVKwdgZTWQ4XaJLHuNaZ2+Hbg=; b=MVi40eaXIKlUhFfzKxGxMP4L/1zu4jKKWUJTR3ODPJte1GUW8j+IjajMXMDfiw1xYE 9OS15HfCEnGVsjrH1E2IwqY2IZ+TOeQ7eiyMX9c9rMbvFzTgtnisChq3zOkTRbHz/5wi kx4FI6lb4C8KrbcpZN8/Xqm9Q8rCCD1tMZ9cbO7kYdimrhV9qzzS14+KFlcqA3OhIRFQ tGsZ5oCpC3bd1Q+ecE0cHvFyYB/ik7c32UANCAnaREXfHcNazISIZ0ShB/a5K/oRouHU 2KKiOo/2v5yoZST0akT/jqlCl4YXZM2Ywk4/E5kQN4S3fLRxrMv29p7EbtB+gxVLMJkD Q7FA== lz7mr10445802wjb.10.1365089016153; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dp5sm31806702wib.1.2013.04.04.08.23.34 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <20130404.102308.6152.0@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:05:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW Bud Krueger shows the warning lights at least having a series resistance to dim them http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/Indicators.htm ----- Original Message ----- > ... TD's instrument lights are surprisingly bright. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 10:44:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1EA443A4 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FF34249E for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 184-197-115-41.pools.spcsdns.net ([184.197.115.41] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UNmpm-0000iN-5m for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:16:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:16:12 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <00c301ce312f$9f698640$de3c92c0$@com> <60008.184.197.115.41.1365084497.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Actually here's where I bought the sockets: http://mogparts.net/index.php/electrical/other-electrical.html Part# ELM031 Melvyn Rutter Ltd. Morgan dealer extraordinaire. You can request an image. Very nice people to work with. I rang him up to ask some other tech questions. DW On 4/4/2013 9:08 AM, dwoerpel@wi.net wrote: > Try Holden's. > > http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?sg=1&pgCode=082&sgName=Electrical&pgName=Wiring&agCode=0490&agName=Plugs+%26+Sockets&pCode=080.041 > > OR http://tinyurl.com/cud8sxs > > Also: www.morgan-spares.com > > I used the latter but they probably all get their stock from the same source. > Check which type of sockets you have; couple of different types. > > Dave W. > > > Where are the power sockets available? I'm working on an early Land-Rover >> and need a set of those. >> >> -- >> Stephen West-Fisher >> N4IK >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> I next cleaned and evaluated the power sockets from the instrument panel. >> The metal bits are fine but the black and red insulators are shot (falling >> apart) - and they're expensive. I also don't expect to reconnect them so >> I >> went for an alternative; two grommets in the holes with the metal bits >> re-installed. One of the grommets is now red. >> Later, if I (or someone) wants to reconnect these sockets, the parts are >> available. Picture of the grommet follows, and in a later picture with >> the >> other bits. >> >> http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1074.JPG _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 11:36:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D6A443D2 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 742AA44356 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 37086 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2013 17:11:08 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2013 17:11:08 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: References: <00c301ce312f$9f698640$de3c92c0$@com> <60008.184.197.115.41.1365084497.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:10:07 -0400 thread-index: Ac4xRi1uyv/lkX0hSJa9GIECWx0T8QAENX+A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks! I've gotten some off list replies as well, this is all handy since I'm probably going to have to find a lot of little pieces that are not available through Land-Rover parts distributers. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: dwoerpel@wi.net [mailto:dwoerpel@wi.net] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:08 AM To: Stephen West-Fisher Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Try Holden's. http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?sg=1&pgCode=082&sgName=Electrical &pgName=Wiring&agCode=0490&agName=Plugs+%26+Sockets&pCode=080.041 OR http://tinyurl.com/cud8sxs Also: www.morgan-spares.com I used the latter but they probably all get their stock from the same source. Check which type of sockets you have; couple of different types. Dave W. Where are the power sockets available? I'm working on an early Land-Rover > and need a set of those. > > -- > Stephen West-Fisher > N4IK > > > -----Original Message----- > > > I next cleaned and evaluated the power sockets from the instrument panel. > The metal bits are fine but the black and red insulators are shot > (falling > apart) - and they're expensive. I also don't expect to reconnect them > so I went for an alternative; two grommets in the holes with the metal > bits re-installed. One of the grommets is now red. > Later, if I (or someone) wants to reconnect these sockets, the parts > are available. Picture of the grommet follows, and in a later picture > with the other bits. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1074.JPG > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 12:43:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F5A444CC for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E0940687 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-167.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r34IA0u5021149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:45:28 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Thread-Index: Ac4xXDGlvluVe17a3EeMUIXn8stWUw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dang, Rick is making us all look bad. Great to see a project progressing from day one. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/3/13 4:34 PM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay@gmail.com wrote: > ...I did play with our new grandbaby!!! Woohoo! > > Hello Friends, > > I did make progress this afternoon so I'll share that work. > > First of all, I cleaned the choke cable, inside and out, and cleaned > away a little surface rust on the outer sheath. I also cleaned and > sprayed the knob with clear acrylic. Once dry, the cable got lightly > oiled. Here are the two cables, ready to re-install. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1073.JPG > > I next cleaned, refinished and tested the turn signal switch. When > some PO painted the dash black, the handle also got painted - kinda. > Here it is refinished and ready to reassemble and re-install. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1072.JPG > > I next cleaned and evaluated the power sockets from the instrument > panel. The metal bits are fine but the black and red insulators are > shot (falling apart) - and they're expensive. I also don't expect to > reconnect them so I went for an alternative; two grommets in the holes > with the metal bits re-installed. One of the grommets is now red. > Later, if I (or someone) wants to reconnect these sockets, the parts > are available. Picture of the grommet follows, and in a later picture > with the other bits. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1074.JPG > > The next repairs were made to the 'ignition', 'low fuel' and 'turn > signal' lights. As many of you might know, the lamps are 2-1/2 volt > units in series with a coils of wire serving as a dropping resistors. > Unfortunately, the resistive wires were damaged on all sockets and > were damaged further upon removal from the instrument panel. Instead > of buying replacements or fighting many feet of tiny wire, I modified > the lamp holders by jumpering across the ballast contacts and > switching to 12 volt bulbs. Testing verified that the assemblies work > fine. That said, I have seen indicators like this with the plastic > lens melted by contact with the hot lamp. To address that issue, I am > going to use very low wattage bulbs. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1077.JPG > > Here are the rest of the refurbished bits. From left-to-right; the > kludged auxiliary power fittings, the fog lights switch, and the LEAST > useful bit of any British car: the dash light dimmer. Really?! > Actually, its damaged inside and will be bypassed. The knob hasn't > been acrylic coated because its broken. I'll replace it with the > push-on aftermarket part from Moss. > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1078.JPG > > And finally, here is the license plate currently on the car. The > first owner, in the mid-'50s, held some position on the consular staff > in Jordan. I can easily read the 'C.C.125' but the Arabic text is > beyond me. Any of you able to read it? > > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1075.JPG > > Happy Wednesday, > > -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 12:54:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25074444F2 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.epbfi.com (mta4.epbfi.com [74.205.143.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9409944436 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [68.169.165.92]) by mta4.epbfi.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1970F269926 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: William Killeffer Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:40:06 -0400 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Update to lighting issue and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Recently, I posted an issue where my headlights were working well, but none of the other lights would come on when the headlights were turned on. This lead me to a very zealous cleaning of all the ground points that I could find in the back of the car, and a cleaning of those points on the front turn signal lights. The front sidemarker lights have different issues, as the one on the right has had its wires cut off really short, and the one on the left has also had a wire cut, but I was able to reconnect it. Also, I cleaned all the contacts on the fuse box, but in the beginning, this did not make a difference. So, I looked at the headlight switch, which was a recent replacement. Everything was connected, but even connecting the brown wire directly to the red/green wires resulted in nothing but instrument panel lights coming on. There was no voltage at the red/green wire on the fuse box. While examining the turn signal connector and other connectors under the instrument panel, I discovered that the red/green wire in the wiring connector had popped loose from the connector block. Once I put it back into place, the lights functioned as designed. The problem is that the left side front sidemarker light still does not light up. It could be a bad bulb, but I want to clean its ground connection. Trouble is, I am not sure where that is. A previous email mentioned a grounding point near the starter relay, but I am not sure where that is located. Any advice would be appreciated. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It would be interesting if a missing grille badge led to a complete repaint! Talk about a $1 part leading to spending several thousand! Dan D '65 B '76 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Max Heim To: MG List Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [Mgs] Bother... Putting my bike away last evening, I saw a puddle under the left rear tire of the MG. Brake fluid. Last drove it on Friday, and the brakes were fine. The wheel cylinder can't be that old -- I can actually remember replacing the pair (well, all that means is within the last 15 years, I suppose). Since it's my only car right now, I got on the web to Moss and ordered two rebuild kits, plus clips and boots, 2nd day air, with the idea of dealing with it this weekend. The brake work isn't bad (and there is a nice tip on the Moss site about how to handle the silly clips), it's the interminable bleeding I'm not looking forward to. Hmm, maybe I should have ordered shoes... They are probably soaked. I suppose it's possible they could be sourced locally. In other news, the badge fell off the grill somewhere, leaving an empty escutcheon. I have a new-in-box grill, but I found out years ago that it wouldn't fit without grinding away a lot of body filler (the PO fitted a 73 grill, which has a shallower surround). I was always waiting for when I fitted the replacement fenders, but maybe I should just get cracking on it as a minor project, and fit the new hood at the same time -- the car would almost look respectable (well, if it were painted). -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 14:59:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5749542C91 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from msubillings.edu (bilexeg01.msubillings.edu [192.156.215.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E404C42B93 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.140) by BILEXEG01.msubillings.edu (192.156.215.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:30:41 -0600 Received: from BILEXMB01.msubillings.edu ([169.254.1.147]) by BILEXCH01.msubillings.edu ([192.156.215.140]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:30:34 -0600 From: "Councill, David" To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , "'MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com'" Thread-Topic: MGs in the big city Thread-Index: Ac4xcPNK7YyQ61FmRB27A6TnxSRbTQ== Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:30:33 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.112.94.28] Subject: [Mgs] MGs in the big city Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had been planning on sending a variation of this email out as I had a question on MG daily driving in the big city. Due to several reasons, I decided to look for a new job in the Northwest Pacific (USA) in the Portland/Seattle region. I applied for a few jobs but one of my nagging concerns was driving. I have 3 MGs and a Land Rover that I drive. Yet during my many trips to Seattle and Portland, I have never seen any LBCs on the road, except when car shows are being held. Does anyone use their MGs as daily drivers in these or other big cities? I did apply for a position at Portland State University but they indicate that they discourage commuters, preferring employees to use public transportation. However, my question may be somewhat moot now, except for curiosity. During my job search, I came upon a job in eastern Washington at Washington State University. Not quite the area I was originally looking at (as its about 250 miles to the east) but it looked interesting and the job was at a much larger university than the one I currently work at (Montana State University). So I applied and checked the place out. A large university (20.000+ students) in a rural community - rolling wheat field terrain with lots of small towns. Just got the job offer today so I am excited with the move. I just have to make sure I find a place in one of the surrounding towns and I will have a nice work 10 mile plus commute on two lane highways with lots of curves. It is going to be great driving. Anyone one else in the area (Spokane-Pullman-Moscow)? David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:00:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7E142F6A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6371E42F99 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-238.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r34Ke0qu007196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:40:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:34:48 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Bother... Thread-Index: Ac4xc9l6/0n+97OoqUmHMQiphuTKlw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bother... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Heh heh, no, I just meant patch & primer and a temp topcoat. My OTHER car has been in the shop for over 4 months for basically a full body resto based on a relatively minor fender-bender in traffic, though, so I know how that goes... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/4/13 1:20 PM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: > It would be interesting if a missing grille badge led to a complete repaint! > Talk about a $1 part leading to spending several > thousand! > > Dan D > '65 B > '76 B > Central NJ USA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Max Heim > To: MG List > Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:00 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Bother... > > Putting my bike away last evening, I saw a puddle under the left rear tire > of the MG. Brake fluid. Last drove it on Friday, and the brakes were fine. > > The wheel cylinder can't be that old -- I can actually remember replacing > the pair (well, all that means is within the last 15 years, I suppose). > Since it's my only car right now, I got on the web to Moss and ordered two > rebuild kits, plus clips and boots, 2nd day air, with the idea of dealing > with it this weekend. > > The brake work isn't bad (and there is a nice tip on the Moss site about how > to handle the silly clips), it's the interminable bleeding I'm not looking > forward to. > > Hmm, maybe I should have ordered shoes... They are probably soaked. I > suppose it's possible they could be sourced locally. > > In other news, the badge fell off the grill somewhere, leaving an empty > escutcheon. I have a new-in-box grill, but I found out years ago that it > wouldn't fit without grinding away a lot of body filler (the PO fitted a 73 > grill, which has a shallower surround). I was always waiting for when I > fitted the replacement fenders, but maybe I should just get cracking on it > as a minor project, and fit the new hood at the same time -- the car would > almost look respectable (well, if it were painted). > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:42:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28159431D7 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CAF4247A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:20:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-5-66-200.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.5.66.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r34LHLex028002; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:17:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:17:34 -0500 To: William Killeffer , t@autox.team.net From: Barney Gaylord References: <374AF1AC-6AD8-40DF-9EAC-62646AF6440C@epbfi.com> Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update to lighting issue and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net William, Front sidelamps should have three wires, including a black grouinding wire. This black wire plugs into a twin tube snap connector to ground headlampadn sidelamp to one black wire in the harness. Final grounding point for that black harness wire (originally) is a hex nut on the tip of a longer fender bolt, second bolt above the air pan on right side, close to where youi find a bundle of snap connestors for the RH lamps Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 02:40 PM 4/4/2013 -0400, William Killeffer wrote: >.... >The problem is that the left side front sidemarker light still does >not light up. It could be a bad bulb, but I want to clean its ground >connection. Trouble is, I am not sure where that is. A previous >email mentioned a grounding point near the starter relay, but I am >not sure where that is located. .... >..... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 15:58:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5904338F for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2A842ECE for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-238.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r34LYG1i029124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:34:18 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:30:22 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MGs in the big city Thread-Index: Ac4xcPNK7YyQ61FmRB27A6TnxSRbTQACqlr9 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the big city Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I would have said that Portland & Seattle had a fairly thriving LBC community, but still, you have to consider... out of a million people, how many of them are driving their LBCs on a given day, and happen to cross your path? For a more rigorous sampling, stake out a vantage point near 5 or 84 during commute hours. Here in the Bay Area I see one maybe every couple of weeks, but I don't get out much (I might only drive 4 times in two weeks). But when I do drive into SF or Oakland, I'm just as likely to use the MGB as anything else. I don't see any downside (other than rain -- this is a larger factor in the NW -- it's a factor for me because my top seals leak and I have summer tires) -- it gets great mileage, is nimble in traffic, and is easy to park. Of course, mine already has an urban-industrial patina -- some people might be concerned about vandalism or parking scrapes. Anyway, I believe we have at least one other Pullman resident on the list. Aaron, I think? Should be lots of nice drives in the area, up the hills or down the gorge. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/4/13 1:30 PM, Councill, David at dcouncill@msubillings.edu wrote: > I had been planning on sending a variation of this email out as I had a > question on MG daily driving in the big city. Due to several reasons, I > decided to look for a new job in the Northwest Pacific (USA) in the > Portland/Seattle region. I applied for a few jobs but one of my nagging > concerns was driving. I have 3 MGs and a Land Rover that I drive. Yet during > my many trips to Seattle and Portland, I have never seen any LBCs on the road, > except when car shows are being held. Does anyone use their MGs as daily > drivers in these or other big cities? I did apply for a position at Portland > State University but they indicate that they discourage commuters, preferring > employees to use public transportation. > > However, my question may be somewhat moot now, except for curiosity. During my > job search, I came upon a job in eastern Washington at Washington State > University. Not quite the area I was originally looking at (as its about 250 > miles to the east) but it looked interesting and the job was at a much larger > university than the one I currently work at (Montana State University). So I > applied and checked the place out. A large university (20.000+ students) in a > rural community - rolling wheat field terrain with lots of small towns. Just > got the job offer today so I am excited with the move. I just have to make > sure I find a place in one of the surrounding towns and I will have a nice > work 10 mile plus commute on two lane highways with lots of curves. It is > going to be great driving. Anyone one else in the area > (Spokane-Pullman-Moscow)? > > David Councill > 64 B > 67 BGT > 72 B -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 16:59:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CF343A24 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40515431B3 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (75-121-35-186.dyn.centurytel.net [75.121.35.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r34MT1G0032155 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:29:03 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: "'MG List'" References: <1365106849.63232.YahooMailNeo@web164902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:29:01 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac4xdO4LZM42u6/1TDqf1B0eILaIMAADefjw a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=a/yzpZQzmcky4D0oSAp7jg==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=uewMpxFesoQGGKze90EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1jWY0rqnYZaCbUz5:21 a=uu_xUDBbv30JPl-6:21 a=a/yzpZQzmcky4D0oSAp7jg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bother... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's where ship fitter's or shipwright's disease comes from. The skipper starts to replace this one, small, brass screw on the gunwale, decides to refinish the gunwale rail, finds a little rotted wood under that, and so on and so forth until before you know it, the whole yacht is torn down to the keel. I don't think there is any known inoculation against it. Hang in there! Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:21 PM To: Max Heim; MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bother... It would be interesting if a missing grille badge led to a complete repaint! Talk about a $1 part leading to spending several thousand! Dan D '65 B '76 B Central NJ USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 17:44:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F0443A3C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:44:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E8143A0C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [21.198.63.33] (66-87-113-33.pools.spcsdns.net [66.87.113.33]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3C134686; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:24:11 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:24:07 -0700 To: "Councill, David" Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , "MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGs in the big city Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2013, at 1:30 PM, "Councill, David" wrote: > Just > got the job offer today so I am excited with the move. I just have to make > sure I find a place in one of the surrounding towns and I will have a nice > work 10 mile plus commute on two lane highways with lots of curves. It is > going to be great driving. Anyone one else in the area > (Spokane-Pullman-Moscow)? David, first congratulations on the job. Go Cougs! As for your question, there's at least me (Pullman), and while I haven't seen much this year, in the past I've always seen 1-2 MGs and discos around town. I think the student with the classic mini is gone, unfortunately. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 4 18:01:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F7D43C98 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D5B43A0F for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0423534261 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:36:26 -0700 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] rubber bits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Since we're kind of on that subject anyway... In the 5 years since I got my car back from paint, I've had to replace the rubber bits that surround the windshield frame supports twice (moss part 282-450/460, part #25 at http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29043). So of course, when I look at them today, they're cracked and full of holes. Additionally, the outer seal for the side windows is shot, especially on the passenger side (where the window rarely changes positions, it's almost always down). Meanwhile, the older rubber parts (such as the bottom rail seal) that I assume is nearly as old as the car are doing just fine. So given that the Moss rubber parts don't seem to hold up, any suggestions on where to go to get replacements that I won't have to replace again next spring? Barring that, any sort of treatments I can apply to try to squeeze a little more life out of these things? Why is it the parts that are hardest to replace are the ones I seem to be needing to replace the most often? -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 5 02:08:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8841D44997 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391D644840 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 01:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id c11so3583864wgh.32 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:52:09 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=/rMV3CdVqmYcXZszTUsDGaGjmZ3NOGcU+gnxnLMh4Gc=; b=po2T44xtDcL0jTzdnWfqOGFLBUUSFk9VEV5gH58AbV0uqem02K2N/4g2VEwvUwtR0s yevuGGJK8aTwSQhkrXW5fBovRcBIqYMIIrcVOSFf6tarEgWvAH+g2o/Xj8oRqPaaYLGs xP6JfPxiUZ/1rz2vOaVbXRf/V6VAmHJk2tRuhqoqd0QK/qwMCQgCVEo5QVfQGyrENShY 1HKnF5ltXIJcMCUeWo6BHpAb1zQOVXxthftqyh4Fz6fkBPpbwK6NyVvKRN6PpEPzgaOC KzM65C4Wmx2u+h+r9Wh5JFUrqGguThedNWnG9LDRnLEtSNx2xg5vHzai/QLccEheD2ki J2Qw== ls3mr14348417wjb.55.1365148328964; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm1930284wiz.10.2013.04.05.00.52.07 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Apr 2013 00:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "William Killeffer" , References: <374AF1AC-6AD8-40DF-9EAC-62646AF6440C@epbfi.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:47:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Update to lighting issue and another question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net An MGB, I seem to remember. Side-marker lamps only have two wires - 12v supply and earth. Originally they came on with the headlamps and there is an additional blue wire in the harness by the front headlights, but during 1972 this changed to come on with the parking lights from a red wire in the harness by the headlights. The earth is wired to black wires by the headlights, which goes back to a body earth by the starter relay. However that earth also supplies the headlights, so if they are working it's not the body earth that is the problem. Nor any of the connections by the right-hand headlight, but it could be the one bullet on the black wire from the side-marker by the left-hand headlight. Locate the red and black wires from that side-marker, and test for voltage with a meter inside the bullets - don't dismantle them. If you have no voltage on the red the problem could be either side of the red bullet by the left-hand headlight, or one bullet by the right-hand headlight. If you have voltage on the black then the earth at that bullet is the problem. If you have 12v on the red and nothing on the black then the problem lies between those two points i.e. either inside the light or the wires leading to it. The only light unit on an MGB that has three wires including a black earth wire is the headlight unit. All MGB rear light clusters have three wires but none are black, the light unit earths through its physical mounting. Chrome bumper front parking lights only have two wires and also earth through their physical mountings. Rubber bumper front indicators do have a black earth wire but only two wires as they only have one single-filament bulb. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The problem is that the left side front sidemarker light still does not > light > up. It could be a bad bulb, but I want to clean its ground connection. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 6 17:17:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993FD4494F for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 17:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2056443CF for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 17:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r36NGsME009434; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 23:16:56 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:58:01 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=tQ82corDAAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=wtBdCklmeXYfn9Jij4QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=cSQxNHdc9vIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Friday's TD work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Friday's TD work > And that's where work ended for today. Time for the shower. Nancy > says I stink. http://www.gearheadshampoo.com/gearhead-shampoo-muscle.html Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 06:46:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3956343238 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2A042ECC; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id v19so1836954obq.16 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:45:23 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=xgttpiV2TqQPlwqDkysM3ogfdeNL3sx7Ra9e3ae5hVo=; b=Xycoqf4ahqEzZBA1CCYZEeid4XbrYcH1ObCxm9/SBbQr5VS7R8a6+p5sAfeJAAAEH2 JY2Lp1wLatLpLCe2rUpSCxURW6dLl9D3d5O774imK71hRgGpY/AHhAx13qXm7wK/3Aal MClCWCmwRD0eI3VHyiPxHkebcrvmPA8eD4iZSj9h784EjNRw8VgWhRdi17xfu/Wyne80 56JL3Eqiw+PTY8kRO8mgXdofPMid8tkiIFejWmWiioEcUc2F/1Vm773f4SR/GnJj+2Ji qTZhXPjRuHZGhqVAmKpfUf97dS/JqsIi8qpXn3CnpF/eJlWHpgdICxFf1U3c6R5R0cAE MhIg== kl8mr12759485oeb.68.1365338723531; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xz9sm20649418oeb.5.2013.04.07.05.45.21 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 07:45:14 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, rui.gigante@gmail.com Subject: [Mgs] Wood eye?! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Morning Friends,B B The garage/shop is a mess. B The guy who wrote, "A disassembled car takes up three times the space of an assembled one." really understood the process! B Actually, I've been quite good at keeping my tools clean and organized but I have to admit, the workbenches are now covered with little piles of screws and brackets. B Its time for a cleanup and sorting bits into labeled ZipLoc baggies. With the benches cleared and clean I can get back to repairing wood. B I have one corner on the glovebox door left to repair and a number of places on the inner facia board to re-cement. B Delaminating plywood layers, just as on the door. B There's also a big crack, split really, on the lower edge where oversized wood screws were used to reattach the under-dash trim panel. B That split too will be glued back together. B Pictures to follow once I get my lazy butt up and going this morning.B I started on the floorboards yesterday, taking the seats out and vacuuming years of dirt, decaying carpet bits and mouse nest debris away. B Of course, a couple of the seat rail bolts twisted off but that's okay. They will be replaced anyway. B I then decided that I had had enough for the day and didn't want to wallow around on the garage floor fighting rusted floorboard nuts and bolts. B And that's probably why I left the garage a mess. B Well, that and Nancy's reminder that I said I'd help with the spring cleaning. :-o Retirement is really busy! B I may have to go back to work just to slow down! -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 07:54:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746E844DE8 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFB244B85 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130407135224.MLRB2869.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:52:24 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml107 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id M1sQ1l00R4h0NJL011sQnH; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 09:52:24 -0400 a=jOzjGBJaV2I0cC+D9wFcnA==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=ozqBnSIlRjQA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Do-ZAB2onsYA:10 a=rVfXCPomieL-_SfwowoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=jOzjGBJaV2I0cC+D9wFcnA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 98.181.27.59 by webmail.east.cox.net; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:52:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 9:52:24 -0400 From: To: richardolindsay@gmail.com, "mg-t@autox.team.net" , mgs@autox.team.net, Mike E Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Mgs] MGB front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have any experience with Castor adjustment shims or negative camber control arms? I have a '76 MGB that has been lowered front and back, has a 3/4" front sway bar and 15 " wheels with radial tires. The car is a daily driver and handles great on the interstate but the steering is very heavy at speed on winding roads. Looking for suggestions on improving the handling and ride quality. Tks. DV _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 08:49:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F60A44F03 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E964446C for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:49:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hj8so1848683wib.2 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 07:48:47 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=cPcvaj8SuG6WRVufLd9zFuWMnlwYJqxqfX1fPyolGMk=; b=G8wN++99aSHNpbHRd0ZmFH4l8uKGUrYis5TPYZDSwIGwarlhxTUjQWdnXJZYpl9+ig rYl9ZKj08F0v7GpJ/4VLpgzqvOkvHidSNOcOudMlrN6SGfcS6I3b1E4oo7Gtpm0goIzH r3QDOO2z7i3ru5yadihsYCAKnqsGNnotBQbIImiSKTZnBO4wma4bau0Vr217J4x8SdFP DKnRQ6dnsmCDL7iaXYg6Wtml8lJ3hx7NRyoHJ2ebn/FMVetCjFFBDY27ae7ASeWS4Uuk wHCZTbMEVWO8ZGaC7wYmU4uKOZPvZRl2t/JYHhcneWJl0yDG5O7e7rD8Ajx9Meu7B0FX xMFQ== pf8mr13785533wjb.31.1365346127448; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 07:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm14456222wij.2.2013.04.07.07.48.46 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 07:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <20130407135224.C66KW.858557.imail@eastrmwml107> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:26:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What speed? Shouldn't be heavy at speed, most people do castor reduction to help with parking speeds. While both mine are pretty heavy when parking once rolling at any speed I'm not aware of steering, almost like just having to think it round and it goes round. What's it like with the front wheels off the ground? You should be able to turn it easily from lock to lock with a little finger-tip. Problems in the rack and king-pins will make that heavier. Lack of grease in the king-pins will probably make turning with the wheels on the ground even heavier. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... the steering is very heavy > at speed on winding roads. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 10:30:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EF24501A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from beta.look.ca (beta.look.ca [216.66.192.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AB345010; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a4cc1.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.76.193] helo=tower.look.ca) by beta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UOsSo-0001WR-Kh; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:29:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:23:40 -0400 To: ,richardolindsay@gmail.com, "mg-t@autox.team.net" , mgs@autox.team.net, Mike E From: Barrie Robinson References: <20130407135224.C66KW.858557.imail@eastrmwml107> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net DV, I fitted camber adjusting shims which were little plastic wedges I think they are on the www.britcot.com website. Did not seem to make a big difference but my steering has always been pretty light - but then again I am in the world of TDs, TRs and Healeys so my light maybe your heavy. Using power steering rather destroys ones notion of he-man steering At 09:52 AM 4/7/2013 -0400, dannyvarnado@cox.net wrote: >Anyone have any experience with Castor adjustment shims or negative >camber control arms? >I have a '76 MGB that has been lowered front and back, has a 3/4" >front sway bar and 15 " wheels >with radial tires. The car is a daily driver and handles great on >the interstate but the steering is very heavy >at speed on winding roads. Looking for suggestions on improving the >handling and ride quality. >Tks. >DV >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 10:33:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412E445003 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2993444F3D; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z10so2827420pdj.30 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 09:32:12 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=9qvfaBcxbjqUiy5jvjp8/PpQ/rMJ5GiVzPt4GCnoDL8=; b=tEeJXUS8FEi1P1M7j56rUVgJJWnVmS7TdPNh6kZqQDIn0vG/UInH+wdZNCR7QwOBOS nLA2oItwQbIXutRPfLbF6Q82Gz3V6+vVX+eJaKYCPFEBr3dBaRQVS3oDo8DwwfXvQ6wB wNXmDqZSAtm2rqVstMMzMaoosWdtMQDIkbn90LXt3YxWsSYOC6nPVcoY5TTgCMCn/seE BeZWugqn4jqY/AeljE6Mn6PNJ06Zbx00uCnRTwoBl57uDtsR7QJyuEbWRz1r/W7ZMj11 +F7jW14xFnrQBEQ8g1Ok/1pFvibZLEfxDDDiwRqTNlFf67s8GqbgY9CVSepAGpsobJEp l4PQ== e3mr29934888pac.186.1365352332200; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 09:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (cpe-198-72-152-81.socal.res.rr.com. [198.72.152.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lb8sm31113717pab.13.2013.04.07.09.32.10 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2013 09:32:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130407135224.C66KW.858557.imail@eastrmwml107> From: Richard Ewald Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:32:08 -0700 To: "" Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net There is a reason early Bs had a huge steering wheel, and wasn't for looks. Assuming no mechanical issues reducing the caster will lower the steering effort, but will also reduce the steering system tendency to return to straight ahead. Driving a car without enough caster is a PITA as far as I am concerned YMMV. Rick. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:52, wrote: > The car is a daily driver and handles great on the interstate but the steering is very heavy > at speed on winding roads. Looking for suggestions on improving the handling _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 13:47:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AC345450 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gamma.look.ca (gamma.look.ca [216.66.192.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555A64540E; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a4cc1.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.76.193] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by gamma.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UOvYL-0006Qs-P7; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:47:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:46:59 -0400 To: Rick Lindsay From: Barrie Robinson References: <9w6tdra3w5en9pl3jsmwgqvq.1365338714239@email.android.com> Cc: rui.gigante@gmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wood eye?! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I have been through an Austin Healey, MGB GT V8 and now a 1957 Aston Martin so I am well versed in an explosion of parts ! I have a garage full of bits, a workshop in the house with 8 big Rubbermaid cupboards, workbench with peg board back.............all with parts ! Despite my experience with the first two cars I still did not take enough photos and not enough "general" ones. Thank god for digital cameras - I spent a fortune on photos for the AH. I also did not do enough hand drawn diagrams. Incidently, the Aston is far far more complicated than the MGB and takes a lot of room. For instance, on the MGB the front torsion bar (ant-sway bar) is a bare rod held to the chassis with two rubber sleeved brackets. The Aston torsion bar has a three piece cast aluminium assembly each with 12 bolts to hold them together, 4 (that's four) ball and needle bearings, splined high grade steel torsion bar, and it is filled with oil !! That alone takes an acre of ground :-). At 07:45 AM 07/04/2013 -0500, you wrote: >Morning Friends,B > >B The garage/shop is a mess. B The guy who wrote, "A disassembled >car takes up three times the space of an assembled one." really >understood the process! B Actually, I've been quite good at keeping >my tools clean and organized but I have to admit, the workbenches >are now covered with little piles of screws and brackets. B Its time >for a cleanup and sorting bits into labeled ZipLoc baggies. > >With the benches cleared and clean I can get back to repairing wood. >B I have one corner on the glovebox door left to repair and a number >of places on the inner facia board to re-cement. B Delaminating >plywood layers, just as on the door. B There's also a big crack, >split really, on the lower edge where oversized wood screws were >used to reattach the under-dash trim panel. B That split too will be >glued back together. B Pictures to follow once I get my lazy butt up >and going this morning.B > >I started on the floorboards yesterday, taking the seats out and >vacuuming years of dirt, decaying carpet bits and mouse nest debris >away. B Of course, a couple of the seat rail bolts twisted off but >that's okay. They will be replaced anyway. B I then decided that I >had had enough for the day and didn't want to wallow around on the >garage floor fighting rusted floorboard nuts and bolts. B And that's >probably why I left the garage a mess. B Well, that and Nancy's >reminder that I said I'd help with the spring cleaning. :-o > >Retirement is really busy! B I may have to go back to work just to slow down! > >-rick >Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded >corners, just like a BlackBerry. >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 8 17:38:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD23642FEF for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8363428B2; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id d10so6003176vea.28 for ; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:36:04 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r1tQNkYVp5z8blkiYw8X0Xm752hW4lfEE5JOqSuwLSw=; b=gR/vkEvziHzibjrSALIUInM4vmNtY5eMf20SsfhiKxvKWcDHykNI85I51qPbJNlm/r poF+2NJ8c+yMMbZfw8uNg5eDvR9Zp0Js19SanmDEituY03hlW+bQcPnKTKBVWLdqa9j3 cqyJsh2KiLyzYGXan4agxcZvWew5DUl9BdwimS3fsRyH1XzcVV3Vg3mIygyNJWvbaM+r wkh+/WcWcmfKEVjHw5rgXppU7vdCDMvSZIXO3H3LKOx9xWLhMQvxg9U9xECuSjI7zZbf 5/Maa+DiwEskc5NKhwUsdzB7w8oxOwIUferbemNR8puuKfcsePPcJX60Oqi9MVD35GJt 4dZQ== z1mr17583101vec.40.1365464164022; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:36:03 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante , Neil Shannon , Ed Helsing Subject: [Mgs] TD body, door experiment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Today was a play-with-grand-baby-day, except for a couple of hours this afternoon. In that free time, I removed the driver's door and began the process of stripping paint. Yea, this work is WAY premature but please consider it an exploratory experiment. Here are a few pictures; Starting off, here's a look inside of the driver's door. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1146.JPG As you can see, the latch mechanism has been removed. Here's a little closer look at that end of the door. You can see that the timbers are in good shape. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1147.JPG Over at the hinge-end, you can see there's a little more surface rust, but nothing hatefull or beyond what a wire brushing and a coat of POR15 can't handle. Same is true of the body and hinge attachment. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1148.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1149.JPG The 'stop' is in good shape as are the hinges. They're adequately tight yielding no door sag. I removed the bolts securing the door to the hinges. That was a tough one! The bolts are rusted nastily and will have to be replaced. Moss sells a kit of all screws and bolts to redo the doors. I took the door to the workbench and began stripping paint. Aircraft Stripper was used. Here's how it looks. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1177.JPG You can see the places where the surface rust has eaten into the metal - especially at the edges. The metal is NOT perforated and once sanded and sealed, will be just fine. Here's a closer look at the lower edge. Please remember that nothing has yet been sanded or ground away. This is just how it looks with the paint stripped. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1178.JPG Tomorrow I will finish stripping the paint and go after the rust with the sander. I'll also flip the door over, tighten the screws and re-seat or replace the nails, as required, THEN add POR15 to the cleaned, rusty areas. More pictures posted then. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 16:24:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B247E45B66 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B5C431B1 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w11so498348pde.9 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/Jo5pSMWa9l4sIiSpaYOEBBHyokEPqDyPWcQBjlz6nM=; b=BW3zWceWLfbNitnka5MRlPxX2DFMoL9qBHVZonJl0rgzeRnTLAyMs0Ioo6XEa5k/S/ C7mcHcD83DxbFI7PUmJvDrVBR4XBWhEzJtLGuWxvddybepdXLC3XowTtWFPITLaOdAAJ +YCpZmXO3MFlGMjnRzPekBn+h4l9M7+upuB6MOKgzonvgAn4PTKfbkFNKtJ5hZ/Kq4Mb v/+5WUoLSgmWnF2Q+QAK9A6ImBc5aIlJx8KCdaD4zRadPAVMHJfYXV7gKoeD9QORJ0te GErtBgkSyOyjCbj7ymaZnOAL7rmgF5QoC3HdGZmRueI1+sk3G86/qzpzP0nnhZQdil/B Q08w== fk10mr5931867pab.112.1365632433165; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:20:13 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] Remote starter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm just now getting around to the 4 month old non-starting problem on our 79B (with HIF's and dizzy). I have a cheap push button remote starter that I need to hook up so I don't require the wife to be in the cold garage:). Where under the bonnet do I hook the red and black alligator clips attached to the remote starter? Thanks, Monte _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 10 17:27:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2075045B01 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496F644A67 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:26:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id wp18so919136obc.28 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gDAM2hgAWw4wdw3+99jmfLEtpNQ5OSTR0BgErBw7+OU=; b=BxmGtaapOhxumh02BevC9d7d2i8asOVcSbU4+Ca2bulMruVPgD9SJOxtO16/Ol8q5y 57nzK9oKnbVwrTXev8szxXW+Ak3AgLbf+styRR5x1mmQp7aQpboELb5D0SHaXnp+mHun U6ezKGWROvg15HF4ZvAufvxshWxtQ8mE6sPy633HS8tRpWGUhVfKwRXX7CfcfAwZjuSq 3QnmDDwXuCpPX7vChrJ+vO2WZA46R1mtbiXmBqR+6DnHo+i4XUCLVgG7N3T9dp+mt0tr obN5GPJ9GPp9IC9gsjWxsxYQU/5qtSkpwzBnn8tbPFBsysv9qJQfQyH91ytXlPHNzGRZ tD4A== ju9mr1493433oeb.75.1365636355560; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.144.231 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:25:55 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Monte Jane Morris Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Remote starter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One of the alligator clips to a battery positive, usually the big fat battery cable that feeds the starter. The other alligator clip to the small wire from the key that attaches to the solenoid. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 00:44:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BB845D96 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:44:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3751C45D83 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:44:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8E8A0CFE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:45:05 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: mgs Subject: [Mgs] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net April 11th, 1991 - Team.Net becomes an official domain. For a few years before that, though, the basic foundation was getting built up. It has been a long ride from those days until now. We are still here. And we can continue on for who knows how many more years? 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[62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id er1sm1464004wib.5.2013.04.11.00.59.58 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , "MG list" References: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:37:44 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Remote starter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net >From 1970 MGBs had a starter relay, and as the solenoid takes quite a bit of current it's best to connect your pushbutton between the purple wire at the fusebox (as that is live and fused) and the white/red on the starter relay. The 79 has two relays, the other is the ignition relay. The starter relay is probably the one on the bulkhead side of the fusebox, and the ignition relay on the other side of the fusebox. Both have brown and black wires, the starter relay also has a thin white/red and thicker white/brown, the ignition relay has white and white/brown wires. If the colours have faded or got mucky you can confirm which is the *ignition* relay as that will click as you turn the ignition on and off, so the starter relay will be the other one. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Where under the bonnet do I > hook the red and black alligator clips attached to the remote starter? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 03:30:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226C145DD7 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455544473F for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews05.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.172]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:29:28 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:29:29 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:29:28 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Richard Ewald'" , "'Monte Jane Morris'" References: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:29:32 +0200 Thread-Index: AQGBC90TK1r1FDqQYexteBDuAjW0BQFNUf9MmWCriZA= Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[109A6AC0:01CE3697] Cc: 'MG list' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Remote starter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Are these named alligator clips? IMHO these are pretty small - does the name Hippo clips exist? Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Ewald Verzonden: donderdag 11 april 2013 1:26 Aan: Monte Jane Morris CC: MG list Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Remote starter One of the alligator clips to a battery positive, usually the big fat battery cable that feeds the starter. The other alligator clip to the small wire from the key that attaches to the solenoid. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 04:01:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A4145E09 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f172.google.com (mail-ea0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748943119 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f172.google.com with SMTP id z7so671578eaf.31 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=WGuNwaQiZ42AwpnNK4Nox0CmODcbyzWtY52B5xV/U9I=; b=AkwuY7jnT2F8PvVfZfhohMUGD9Urj2yhMX1Im8RTb5vcvwEfwshK5l4dc7GjEvKB4h j3u72bKQS2zh9Kg4i9cUs62VFnacwW5il8d/mwnwhyhnrLuorwvTU0xMozjSoYbPp+Vi vbkV3Opg8sUkS1XoYyEcNgfn4xQaotwjAGm4XlnDHF2JaCYUSlUv6VfhsBLQWeS7YuIz sLgM1/cSq6XMMN32v9at8Zq4iAG7khyz8NK9wh2slLI58l3YRXaMw00wIcGTgXrk3VjT LITirTded6QFgZm1l6ugFryer4HSrxN6ZQIg8K5zwiKFVn65it5ghcfpNLFm6XhmgWJZ wBIQ== n48mr15611931eeo.4.1365674421333; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cd3sm4714471eeb.6.2013.04.11.03.00.20 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , "'Richard Ewald'" , "'Monte Jane Morris'" References: <000801ce3697$12e9d900$38bd8b00$@planet.nl> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:49:41 +0100 Cc: 'MG list' Subject: Re: [Mgs] Remote starter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Alligator clips were always small in my day, and fine for spades on things like the fusebox and starter relay, although these are often shrouded. You certainly wouldn't want to go back to the battery with one lead when there is 12v in the engine compartment anyway. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Are these named alligator clips? IMHO these are pretty small - does the > name > Hippo clips exist? > > One of the alligator clips to a battery positive, usually the big fat > battery cable that feeds the starter. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 08:18:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECB645F87 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.francomm.com (mail.francomm.com [208.78.32.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E54551A for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sunnyta (66-109-47-223.dialup.francomm.com [66.109.47.223]) by mail.francomm.com with SMTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:14:48 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:13:43 -0400 From: "P. Chast" User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.11 (Win32) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Remote starter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi It should be noted that it takes verrrry little current to turn on the relay that provides the power to start the car. So those alligator clips are more than sufficient. The remote starter would burn up if used to provide current to the starter directly. Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... Where under the bonnet do I >> hook the red and black alligator clips attached to the remote starter? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchast@francomm.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 10:27:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F0745FE5 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.snapfish.com (snat-mah3-sfo2.snapfish.com [74.122.80.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390B4428F3 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by smtp.snapfish.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 620E1B0119; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) op1-sfsmtp1.mah3.sfo2.snapfish.com T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from sf1-workflow6.hob3.sfo1.snapfish.com (sf1-workflow6.hob3.sfo1.snapfish.com [10.45.25.198]) by smtp.snapfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C5EB010D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Lucas Mowog To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] You're invited to view my photos! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, let's try this again. Here's some of my Frank album. --------------------------------------------------- Lucas has invited you to view some photos You have 50 free prints+ A note from Lucas: OK, let's try this again. Here's some of my Frank album. View the photos: http://www1.snapfish.com/snapfish/share/p=351111365697551131/l=1181450501 5/g=4424239/cobrandOid=1000/campaignName=ShareeNewReg_30FreePrints_2010Feb/ot sc=SYE/otsi=SANR Do more with Snapfish: - Upload & Store Photos - Share with Your Network - Order prints - Create photo gifts Snapfish - the best value in photography. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 10:37:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E76945FE8 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A73640333; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 184-197-254-1.pools.spcsdns.net ([184.197.254.1] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UQKSN-0004Rh-3G; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:34:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:34:37 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: SPRIDGETS , MGs Subject: [Mgs] Frank album Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry folks apparently following the snapfish instructions only results in you having to register....that sucks. Ed, can't send 50 pics to you. Sorry. Dave W. WWFD........have a beer! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 10:57:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9246A46061 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from out10.bezeqint.net (out10.bezeqint.net [192.115.188.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA0A42A82 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (bzq-82-81-90-85.red.bezeqint.net [82.81.90.85]) by out10.bezeqint.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4AE253A06CA for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:56:29 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:56:22 +0300 From: "R. Martin Rogovein" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 11:07:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519264609D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from out10.bezeqint.net (out10.bezeqint.net [192.115.188.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC30543194 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (bzq-82-81-90-85.red.bezeqint.net [82.81.90.85]) by out10.bezeqint.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 91BDC3B030F for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:06:18 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:06:11 +0300 From: "R. Martin Rogovein" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Mg mailing list References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Didn't get a lot done today BUT... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 11:13:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FA2460AA for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from out8.bezeqint.net (out8.bezeqint.net [192.115.188.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE1242A47 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (bzq-82-81-90-85.red.bezeqint.net [82.81.90.85]) by out8.bezeqint.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3589F213C90 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:11:51 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:11:44 +0300 From: "R. Martin Rogovein" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Mg mailing list Subject: [Mgs] third time's a charm (was: Rick "didn't" get a lot done today) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Rick, just in case you were still curious, the writing on the plate says: Al-haia al-konsulia - Consular Authority. Here it is in typed Arabic, don't know if this will come through on your computer, though: X'YYY X&X) X'YYYX5YY X) Try this, and Google translate can read it to you: http://bit.ly/16VsLyy I looked around for a while online, but couldn't figure out what country it is from, maybe somebody else can help. I suppose it could be Jordanian, but I couldn't find a jordanian plate that even resembles this one. Looks like a great project, the speed of your daily progress is making me jealous. Maybe I should retire now (I'm 42) and rip my B apart. :) Safety Fast R. Martin Rogovein 70 roadster Herzliya, Israel (but born and raised in Houston TX) -- -------------------------------------------------------- Israel is the most dramatic country in the world. Everybody's engaged. Everybody argues. When I leave Israel, I get a little bit bored, you know? --Shimon Peres -------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 12:27:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE3B42BA2 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF274428F2; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536ADA0CFE; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:28:03 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: SPRIDGETS , MGs References: <5166E61D.1060107@wi.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Frank album Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net dwoerpel wrote: > Sorry folks apparently following the snapfish instructions only > results in you having to register....that sucks. Ed, can't send 50 > pics to you. Sorry. You can put them on the Team.Net spridget forum. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 13:29:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D4742966 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com (mail-ve0-f181.google.com [209.85.128.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4642E42DE7; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id pa12so1777505veb.12 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SsVrBd46nWVJxyOMsHSd7CuMIQfhKl1XlkJlxvtkkk0=; b=sD86/AjNEsq86hyl6olErhhTfo9hy+j9lME3hQp+hvZc1nbmeC05wHsXAFpKXqfxHJ ogEW6kpGlCD95BxiH7YOoe8qvd7uKVQLA55LqD94Ol2MvTTAAgaR2lok2rWo6zZMVrV9 Ruj5Blmk1B5akHTqGRV/e7FuoZRqgu7KIB12LDk8eLANsIzy9MzwfjQ9RCNk8AkDP6u1 iS/qd7O99FU5Ixw+ieYPs8/dvf/mMT/fqp9GD8PQLSfE8RgNMWBpAbpYbjcdehBBR2g9 3eeeDSvygn1M/p5lkvEU8xwBXZFPb5uwBVdY6xZgtijUh/FY5v634CATrcyThJpNXJ3x gfOg== wv3mr5222702vdb.82.1365708253435; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:24:13 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Thursday TD progress Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi again Friends, Little by little the TD project is moving along. As I'm sure you are aware, this is an EVERYTHING restoration. Nothing on the car should be by-passed. That said, a lot of the stuff works with simple cleaning / maintenance. The latest in that quest is the turn signal relay box. Here's how it looks with the cover off. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1179.JPG And there are two points I wish to make about this refurbishment. (1) The cover comes right off allowing cleaning and refinishing, BUT, it is not keyed to fit only one way. That means, when you take it off, if you loose track of how it came off, you have to figure out which side is 1-4 and which side is 5-8! Trust me. I learned the hard way. I had to go back to the wiring diagram to work it out! (2) The little craftsman metric wrench with the goofy box-end arrangement works GREAT for those of us who attach rusty Whitworth bolts and nuts! WELL worth the investment. (Got mine for Christmas and thought I'd never use them!) I cleaned the relay cover on the wire wheel then gave it a thin coat of 'cast-coat aluminum' engine paint. That stuff is great. I also burnished the relay contacts and verified that they both work, as advertised, using my bench power supply. Here's how the bits look cleaned up and painted but before assembly. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1180.JPG And after assembly (the right way around)! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1181.JPG After that work was done, I removed the fuse block and voltage regulator. I have new units for both, thanks to Bill including them with the car, so I have not spent time cleaning up these bits. I did repaint the mounting screw heads black (yea, I'm pathetic and need a life). Here's how that area looks now that the electrical bits are removed (sans coil). http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1184.JPG I have applied rust eater to a bunch of bolts and nuts so that has to set for a while. In the mean time, and just for completeness, I took a few more documentation pictures. There's no such things as too many pictures. Here are a few odds and ends. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1185.JPG Those floorboards are going to be a P.I.T.A. to remove as the nuts are on the bottom exposed to rust-city! The handbrake adjusters are soaking in rust eater. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1186.JPG Same with the rear tunnel bolts. They're soaking. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1187.JPG Other bits. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1188.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1189.JPG -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 16:05:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0867A42A8D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gamma.look.ca (gamma.look.ca [216.66.192.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B883429D3; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a47c6.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.71.198] helo=tower.look.ca) by gamma.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UQPXl-0003xr-Ir; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:00:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:53:09 -0400 To: dwoerpel ,spridgets@autox.team.net, MGs From: Barrie Robinson References: <51665A5A.4070703@bradakis.com> <5166E1C1.8010404@wi.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] April 11 and [Spridgets] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, A very significant date is 4/11 (using the correct notation of dd/mm/yyyy) It is our 49th wedding anniversary ! Please restrict your gifts to single bottles of single malt scotch and fine Frence wine as my cellar is filled with car parts At 11:16 AM 4/11/2013 -0500, dwoerpel wrote: >Hmmm, 4/11 has become a very significant date in most of our lives. The >beginning of our ties with each other through our hobby and the passing >of one of the "Spirits of the List". >Worth another donation to me! Thank you Mark and the rest of the >list(s) for making the lists a family. > >Here's part of my album: *http://tinyurl.com/d7xmp93 > >http://www1.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=6549829015/a=4424239_4424239/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ >* >Pay it forward, > >Dave Woerpel >59 :{) >59 MGA 1500 > > >Thanks for beating me to posting this Jay. This day hangs over all our >minds throughout the year as tears roll the closer we approach it : ( >Love you, miss you Frank : ( >http://www.spritespot.com/gallery/Deep-Pink-Sprite/Frank_and_his_Austin_Healey_Speedwell >Lin > > >On 4/11/2013 1:38 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > A number of you already tossed into the hat on the Weber carb deal. > > Thanks, you're off the hook. Here's what I'm sending to the other > > popular lists: > > > > > > April 11th, 1991 - Team.Net becomes an official domain. For a few > > years before > > that, though, the basic foundation was getting built up. It has been > > a long ride > > from those days until now. We are still here. > > > > And we can continue on for who knows how many more years? > > > > If you'd like to help Team.Net continue, consider putting a few dollars > > towards keeping it on the air: > > > > http://www.team.net/donations.html > > > > mjb. > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dwoerpel@wi.net >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 16:05:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4609342B68 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1877942939; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:05:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id w15so1653245vbb.37 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WJ9wZymvqzdyVLUkzn9RbpzSKajBae1U4w/d81cYztc=; b=FUJdPOP219eip1PODfi956dQbQ44KpgrTibAS2Wtk8FG8zQ9d7j5nSbDknWsMfVJwQ huDIhUF6H3YkSXJ4851JFSCsyKwKHGhoskTxF12/7Bb60M6NsXW+sUN1MYzI5r3ch1hQ HVoLhlfW4tADL07IeS5qHkl1skXllYfM1ona7DTucDxKi8mzxd5JDkcppZ76J4G06ThX Pr3IYp07PvFh/mr71cIb+4C1c7Zms/M6q8xT1T1AN1dTUiI/a6tbeMUL7iKLnWkzaplf 3aApP0laMbpE2ruh8yC0WYnae8A2EUFIKRbH12oliWNL06ebV4h7LDC5fizMrWM5pv9Q f6Vg== n2mr6585387vcw.40.1365717863358; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:04:23 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] A couple pictures from yesterday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Here are a couple of pictures from work done yesterday. The first is the glove box with new liner ready to install. I just need to buy some non-wetting fabric glue. Perhaps I already referenced this picture. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130409_175845.jpg The next picture is of the driver's door with a protective coat of rust-ending primer. This is the end of the experiment. I am satisfied that we can make a very nice paint presentation. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130411_163345.jpg Not pictured is the upper steering column support. I removed it in order to take the under-dash trim out (complete with mouse nests). The support is now cleaned and repainted black. -rick PS: I'm fighting the urge to reassemble the dash. The new vinyl has arrived and all the trim is ready. The only thing still outstanding is a new chrome trim ring to put under the horn push. The original is decayed beyond tasteful reuse. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 16:36:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E5444459 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133F2429B3; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n12so1979424oag.27 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:31:59 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=x/FTqvfykV6qPmklplLwxNddm9iWuMPK4ADLGun2pdw=; b=G7Sk+eeb2NWfwxFhyWd8zTvq2vBwzmiqVkTsm6IZNfIqor1Xz0W3660dyJfnUwd+HZ TkdsaamU1CLIzwos9IZZaIkTYpuxYUaf0v/WoM3TURIxVDWdbh5mdEGf9huDIVPPRf1/ biqCjxJcgIa5Sjicb8VxMA/t8i7/5YGs/v3Ibn4Os+rghGjt82wLkf0iiV/hhNVWgUzd cxzXfsQX6LKwLIehIgnKMZxiierXGssai3AzeopyrALtz8eN9DIInrLyCRu8D+7ns4zq yV5tKrCqGCV61sIQASUoSKneecMTADdUgSL4CO1yd1URUmDj5j4rK/qv+ND9ziPBzRuG s3rQ== z10mr3098454oeb.122.1365719518865; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.147.87.126] ([204.147.87.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dv8sm1075886obb.5.2013.04.11.15.31.57 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <51665A5A.4070703@bradakis.com> <5166E1C1.8010404@wi.net> From: Paul Root Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:31:55 -0500 To: Barrie Robinson Cc: "spridgets@autox.team.net" , MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] April 11 and [Spridgets] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's our 21st anniversary as well. Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Dave, > > A very significant date is 4/11 (using the correct notation of dd/mm/yyyy) It is our 49th wedding anniversary ! Please restrict your gifts to single bottles of single malt scotch and fine Frence wine as my cellar is filled with car parts > > > > At 11:16 AM 4/11/2013 -0500, dwoerpel wrote: >> Hmmm, 4/11 has become a very significant date in most of our lives. The >> beginning of our ties with each other through our hobby and the passing >> of one of the "Spirits of the List". >> Worth another donation to me! Thank you Mark and the rest of the >> list(s) for making the lists a family. >> >> Here's part of my album: *http://tinyurl.com/d7xmp93 >> >> http://www1.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=6549829015/a=4424239 _4424239/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ >> * >> Pay it forward, >> >> Dave Woerpel >> 59 :{) >> 59 MGA 1500 >> >> >> Thanks for beating me to posting this Jay. This day hangs over all our >> minds throughout the year as tears roll the closer we approach it : ( >> Love you, miss you Frank : ( >> http://www.spritespot.com/gallery/Deep-Pink-Sprite/Frank_and_his_Austin_Heale y_Speedwell >> Lin >> >> >> On 4/11/2013 1:38 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> > A number of you already tossed into the hat on the Weber carb deal. >> > Thanks, you're off the hook. Here's what I'm sending to the other >> > popular lists: >> > >> > >> > April 11th, 1991 - Team.Net becomes an official domain. For a few >> > years before >> > that, though, the basic foundation was getting built up. It has been >> > a long ride >> > from those days until now. We are still here. >> > >> > And we can continue on for who knows how many more years? >> > >> > If you'd like to help Team.Net continue, consider putting a few dollars >> > towards keeping it on the air: >> > >> > http://www.team.net/donations.html >> > >> > mjb. >> > ------------------------ >> > >> > spridgets@autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 >> > >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dwoerpel@wi.net >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca > > Regards > > Barrie > barrie@look.ca > 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 13:37:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A545645138 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFE842B13 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:37:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews20.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.186]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:36:20 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.17]) by cpsps-ews20.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:36:20 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:36:20 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:36:26 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac43tLS/HOFEh8AWRAqGmgS1eM5z6Q== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[02167EC0:01CE37B5] Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. So they may keep it. Cheers, Hans Duinhoven Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 14:51:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6218245305 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FC3430B1 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (75-120-178-66.dyn.centurytel.net [75.120.178.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3CKnDsm025154 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:49:14 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: References: <003a01ce37b5$061104f0$12330ed0$@planet.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:49:13 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac43tLS/HOFEh8AWRAqGmgS1eM5z6QACifhw a=zv6Nw5SxHsgA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=suYKJoBZRq6csc7H5v4JhQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=d7RFtaMqAAAA:8 a=0nqVCoRJ-oBtRdZccDMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=suYKJoBZRq6csc7H5v4JhQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That is a sinister-looking design. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. So they may keep it. Cheers, Hans Duinhoven Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 15:22:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EC045322 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp172.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8220C45298 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp27.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C78E6118460 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp27.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 3B0491184AD for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:20:28 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don References: <003a01ce37b5$061104f0$12330ed0$@planet.nl> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when he was a kid and young adult. ---------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >That is a sinister-looking design. > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >To: mgs@autox.team.net >Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > >Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >So they may keep it. > >Cheers, > >Hans Duinhoven > >Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 16:06:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D79C45440 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D34342B75 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b10so1819982qen.0 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=TZLdFIm5CbSpgXyzcg2vejb2PuRvLGN9G5e5HYFG2/4=; b=i5dnTSem5vQeRFevOLhuJykkiP01PAnPjUqk8p5g4BFdBLnd/KRUWxkqvWbcaiKiXF F0DITUCY6cG8/epitLjXMd7baZPEYzBNvxTDWvxTcL+r0XfmBvjDovf0kPJ4h+xCFCjg x5LAM7dyPUt2MnzUcC/It4R91dKxDtW+xNanS89vl5hRXbQ1ejJCPC+56QIQZ8JByo7s XyGUgXUN6jrq0QfzNuPbCsXWp4uRvvPtWF+axkvsLLDTvEV33yGFMW8FWB8JuDL9aSDg CN1YA17Vg7kgowFT+Ps5JWWGbMulK9Z0VIF8QjEi2dOsvXDinGlsw9mJ1Y0lgwJ3b9Yr IQqA== n11mr13923629qaj.72.1365803752721; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e2sm15815210qey.3.2013.04.12.14.55.51 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:55:49 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: don@napanet.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Naaa Don. B That car is butt-ugly. B Reminds me of a couple-year-old Ford Focus. B e.g. the 'hot hatch' teenager market. But what you say is true. B I'm old and although an exotic car guy, the new Corvette and even the latest offerings from Maranello look to me like plastic kit-cars. B Full scale Hot Wheels. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Don Date: 04/12/2013 4:20 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to appreciate it.B Just like music; one tends to favor the things of his/her youth.B I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG.B I have a fellow from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place.B He is the same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago.B He thinks my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas.B I wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when he was a kid and young adult. ---------------------------------------- Don Scott,B Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >That is a sinister-looking design. > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >To: mgs@autox.team.net >Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > >Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >So they may keep it. > >Cheers, > >Hans Duinhoven > >Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 16:07:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495DC454CA for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B1C4548C for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailpod1.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.114]) by atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r3CM54Y0015867 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:05:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 19548 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2013 22:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Yorkie) (lister@bonackers.com@64.22.228.130) by 0 with ESMTPA; 12 Apr 2013 22:05:03 -0000 From: "Scott Bonacker" To: References: <003a01ce37b5$061104f0$12330ed0$@planet.nl> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:05:04 -0500 Organization: Scott Bonacker Thread-Index: AQItX9Zm0VBo5cBEPtTGWKTBd1SWWwKJwzEeAiDmH8+X735DsA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Seeking a 1963-67 MGB? What condition? Scott Bonacker Rogersville, MO -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:20 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when he was a kid and young adult. ---------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >That is a sinister-looking design. > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >To: mgs@autox.team.net >Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > >Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >So they may keep it. > >Cheers, > >Hans Duinhoven > >Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lister@bonackers.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 16:11:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97883454B5 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825CC453D6 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-131.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r3CMA6dx001800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:10:08 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:46:06 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Thread-Index: Ac43xyKrTYRtSDiOP0Ken9I+cvY8DQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Never mind the styling -- what proves they "don't get it" is the fact that it is an SUV. MG never made trucks. Yes, Porsche makes an SUV, but that is also an abomination. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/12/13 2:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to > appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of > his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about > 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. > > It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages > and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow > from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the > same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks > my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I > wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when > he was a kid and young adult. > > ---------------------------------------- > > Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA > 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars > > > > > > At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >> That is a sinister-looking design. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >> To: mgs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it >> >> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai >> >> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. >> >> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >> So they may keep it. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans Duinhoven >> >> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 16:52:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785ED4554D for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA9A44310 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:46:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id bn7so4057363ieb.9 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:45:33 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=EfqrRcHtQH82mz3HPgOY1prF12hBJiQb6K2/xuP82t8=; b=cd2+agNwQPl6jzgafFuuBsXJ5KZbozsBLJ4TIFhv2m1hdmr9sPjVto8PYDLNXCkYoZ /HCFBLScyc2BRvIeJu7Idfgyb/1T031ZddaK9JOWYqAFsHrjTOSY5+oQ6JlTqAUIrz7u tS1SvGeyhUYoiYlt4fTzSRJCgtdyXtPPltBofR/InGpVgLseFVGd0VDW6ZKPLc6KNY7T i4Z+5ooP7R+9vItmyKwKvb/bLta+Ml8zX8ms8W/AGuO0Zmye0nAYiL3zjODdkRxtNn9R iWCGC2DohlGf59E9S22J4gMu1d9TJUytg+G50hj+L1TuLa5RYmLi85WonTGTTIlq/fq/ bPFw== Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (184-97-141-136.mpls.qwest.net. [184.97.141.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y5sm500591igg.7.2013.04.12.15.45.31 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:45:30 -0500 References: To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a press release for it. Dripping with self congratulatory marketing speak. I've got to say, I kind of like it. It looks modern. It could probably do well, up against things like the Kia Soul. The market isn't us old geezers, it's the 20 somthings, they want different things in a vehicle. I'm undecided on the Chinese MG. On the one hand, they are MG (legally and that's all that matters). On the other, the Chinese faciiitated the bankruptcy of the British MG, and bought up the pieces. Sure they would have gone bankrupt anyway, but they never had any intention of really partnering. They did the same thing to Saab, but GM thankfully killed that deal. http://mg.co.uk/news/2013/04/12/mg-to-unveil-urban-suv-concept-at-shanghai-sh ow/ On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Naaa Don. B That car is butt-ugly. B Reminds me of a couple-year-old Ford Focus. B e.g. the 'hot hatch' teenager market. > > But what you say is true. B I'm old and although an exotic car guy, the new Corvette and even the latest offerings from Maranello look to me like plastic kit-cars. B Full scale Hot Wheels. > > -rick > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Don > Date: 04/12/2013 4:20 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > > Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to > appreciate it.B Just like music; one tends to favor the things of > his/her youth.B I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about > 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. > > It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages > and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG.B I have a fellow > from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place.B He is the > same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago.B He thinks > my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas.B I > wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when > he was a kid and young adult. > > ---------------------------------------- > > Don Scott,B Calistoga CA USA > 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars > > > > > > At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >> That is a sinister-looking design. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >> To: mgs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it >> >> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai >> >> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. >> >> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >> So they may keep it. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Hans Duinhoven >> >> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationB $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 16:53:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4304B45566 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f170.google.com (mail-ia0-f170.google.com [209.85.210.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F95544310 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f170.google.com with SMTP id j38so2857784iad.15 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=WpPDcx4bdlrmvic0AxFdKHOYbK9DRQD1BuO0GVCWLRs=; b=jsEmK8TTWf8y0iBeYGOpZTLWkQkVuwUpex+biIcqYJwp6HWYFLdtC5vPj8fXA7mtpd M7zSnhPLtjAO9F6MSBpGPDtjeStYI5z4pOHVYRaKmY3IYmZ6sWqWUq1yLoEuMVEH8f4D UgVOeZg0Ch7e0DrrTjuJd54p1wiDvyKJjcpukCH6Z8BNMlOGRBu39wpKEvk/ffuhy4jb wpvGzYZP7UH23TtvqBMGKKUqAFVsIy7fz1SdKUskulth0cqd7pjjRlC3lXMq6F23DNM8 ce9GDTIceRxvO0BjkiQBu5AaRXUZpMVY1bWLzExEvT5lW95Gc8IaXA1/vmcdGlHym16p dWnw== Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (184-97-141-136.mpls.qwest.net. [184.97.141.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xc3sm438049igb.10.2013.04.12.15.47.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:47:34 -0500 References: To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It is a huge segment of the auto industry. It's what people want. Whether they should or not. It's hard to make a profit on things that the majority of people don't want. Evolve or die. On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Never mind the styling -- what proves they "don't get it" is the fact that > it is an SUV. MG never made trucks. > > Yes, Porsche makes an SUV, but that is also an abomination. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > on 4/12/13 2:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > >> Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to >> appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of >> his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about >> 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. >> >> It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages >> and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow >> from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the >> same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks >> my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I >> wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when >> he was a kid and young adult. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA >> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars >> >> >> >> >> >> At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >>> That is a sinister-looking design. >>> >>> David >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >>> To: mgs@autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it >>> >>> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai >>> >>> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >>> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. >>> >>> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >>> So they may keep it. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Hans Duinhoven >>> >>> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 17:05:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF072429C3 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7378245542 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id va7so2764666obc.6 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PfHBRh20wGig8b7vp8z0aCNjttiyRj+ZZviafCkVCuk=; b=pb+lim1rDsFHZsoNr1mWD7hRSUv1lgoQG1O5w87kCS+eynPUQAQOUymi73BMuG7qgU lme/3JD6MOq6UfxiKdIGeysiy74DwCHOBeIbwqRR1wp62zfLafNEhE6uZAMv7ibpB5jA 5xAT98HcxNVyKfjTGAJDrYRK46Pj2mmCckfB/WOLyPyGTq4WbLqkCuIWzF5UtpY7uptZ 0LDqxucF3gbvJxSHOtNmsRFG7gg0uEnQG5U/1XVVMvBjX+6MWY+/sTvwbyRjOThgzDio pMOSmKv+joc4H65hBAxNVALelovm+0dtekkSOg0LyNahCU4IRWfxhz7YzFmhw4F/h6Nz 0REA== m7mr4479117obc.96.1365807601769; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.144.231 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:00:01 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Paul Root Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Take a look at the 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe, or Tucson. Not that far different from this concept car. Hyundai is selling the Santa Fe and Tucson like hot cakes. Hard to argue with success. Rick On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Paul Root wrote: > It is a huge segment of the auto industry. It's what people want. Whether > they > should or not. It's hard to make a profit on things that the majority of > people don't want. > > Evolve or die. > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Max Heim wrote: > > > Never mind the styling -- what proves they "don't get it" is the fact > that > > it is an SUV. MG never made trucks. > > > > Yes, Porsche makes an SUV, but that is also an abomination. > > > > -- > > > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > > > on 4/12/13 2:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > > > >> Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to > >> appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of > >> his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about > >> 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. > >> > >> It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages > >> and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow > >> from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the > >> same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks > >> my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I > >> wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when > >> he was a kid and young adult. > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> > >> Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA > >> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese > cars > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: > >>> That is a sinister-looking design. > >>> > >>> David > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > >>> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven > >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM > >>> To: mgs@autox.team.net > >>> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >>> > >>> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >>> > >>> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. > >>> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > >>> > >>> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. > >>> So they may keep it. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Hans Duinhoven > >>> > >>> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 17:20:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A7545617 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D67742B65 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id p6so45931qad.6 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:15:33 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=bzFWXNKpowSGq9vxj3G43vZgLIjCBNMmV8Is1Lv/Ygc=; b=pZGkWxDWouBQi69Mb9KjVXVNGumfGuciD3EndvotL7dIHKTnIJ19mNzm7ijeq7ko2J mNyp6K49lxoWY5Z9c26iJ1eksME4Zo9cRaOCIAVOTfVxwm7vvMXbOszWeGD92F7vVnNV m6KlHXf4HqiOVGEbSM9EREAKYwDNn/gGAfan13aCMOgll0zqj6wpNrcuOOjmuSsF3bIs HQuA30xnjil0HUPge048Atbk8ksFfWZGTyggbY88/fX/Olbx3vCEqXWtxXkuM2VhJp4H 9tyKKOx+25t2OUXQsE4pVfqTjqOpNoZcQYlX1TosD4vO4Phut1PbxbuAv2D0nWQGPMMB 3Mqg== f16mr14005521qae.11.1365808533047; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:100d:b12c:ad16:d400:ace2:a4a:7616? ([2600:100d:b12c:ad16:d400:ace2:a4a:7616]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed8sm16230051qeb.7.2013.04.12.16.15.31 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:15:29 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: richard.ewald@gmail.com, ptrmgb@gmail.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Absolutely! B I don't have to like it for it to sell. :-P B B ...just not to me. Then again, my daily is a Porsche Cayman. B I love it and the Top Gear guys consider it an abomination. B Such is style. I do like your, "Evolve or die." comment. B Reminds me of another: "Any organism that can't get rid if its waste will perish in that waste!" B :-o -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Richard Ewald Date: 04/12/2013 6:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Paul Root Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Take a look at the 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe, or Tucson.B Not that far different from this concept car. Hyundai is selling the Santa Fe and Tucson like hot cakes. Hard to argue with success. Rick On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Paul Root wrote: > It is a huge segment of the auto industry. It's what people want. Whether > they > should or not. It's hard to make a profit on things that the majority of > people don't want. > > Evolve or die. > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Max Heim wrote: > > > Never mind the styling -- what proves they "don't get it" is the fact > that > > it is an SUV. MG never made trucks. > > > > Yes, Porsche makes an SUV, but that is also an abomination. > > > > -- > > > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > > > on 4/12/13 2:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > > > >> Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to > >> appreciate it.B Just like music; one tends to favor the things of > >> his/her youth.B I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about > >> 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. > >> > >> It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages > >> and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG.B I have a fellow > >> from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place.B He is the > >> same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago.B He thinks > >> my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas.B I > >> wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when > >> he was a kid and young adult. > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> > >> Don Scott,B Calistoga CA USA > >> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese > cars > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: > >>> That is a sinister-looking design. > >>> > >>> David > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > >>> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven > >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM > >>> To: mgs@autox.team.net > >>> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >>> > >>> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >>> > >>> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. > >>> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > >>> > >>> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. > >>> So they may keep it. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Hans Duinhoven > >>> > >>> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donationB $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationB $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 17:21:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962CF455E5 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF3B44B1E for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2013 23:20:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2013 23:20:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2013 23:20:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365808802; bh=F+ErOgb3s+e2ks6iA/yrypEQosfweWEkkvh1dTbua30=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=4TJa1IVfmxjocIZjEMeCiZR3X3jHybsQVJ6maf0Y+QRNBfPaZpndowZunccZmG6ftxHHB5BULrypeCvXTviOWF/XV3VbnUAMQjWUDXMqjtooPrfCwo1ErEc+L2NjtFzk9fAmxpRPV8GKXo+ysHroNDmeDrzo/cW/D5F1kveX5CM= ie2UpHpiAXPh8JIU1uo6nNkUmdFbJmPiPKKawrOly42GQmAc177YssKBj8ei dluPj.0qaSUc1PuxX2m2ZaGt0m_BVQsJRD9x2h5KJI0TdBl4Gm3i_XJ4tgr. mxRPBOfsC3YFg4eCnItqoampC5Gc6fJCG430ov5CuhPNcdKNDkpH_a04_BkG 8cr.s05fz6Zmcu30YjtZ97Apq0NSXrQmYyb_KNYNDu1I1Ly1leRuwEbqLw5N M1dJLd.am7vg3ekmvM7bGwL.8uboYDLPxDwlwpVaZye270CAaMlUkJC.haHG hJ4vH..s9zB2Lthh8s899mbPoAibeEfNw3r8LWdaiVpO3qmC0nMKOoxv_lt8 dI1IyaVNVU1uad.U4.yyY5N9aVAKWiGNtToPhu6IkEBJzM27rKVPgF2863iL RmV47AJRH8.MP9O55k.g77ZkCUUhECvruV9cJGdRvufSOnQ4oQs6EZWil_O3 _1cpH3O075g09BJNOEvLbCJnnAcQj_w2Jj0dYIxeTTJ7Flmo- smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2013 16:20:02 -0700 PDT From: "Ron King" To: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:19:58 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac4308cgBOo/kVF1ThGj+YbZbnJ5Eg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Mini or ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Guy I work with is "converting" his classic mini into one of these. Pretty un-believable auto: 225+ HP, 0-60 < 4 seconds, and same/better road adhering capabilities. http://www.zcars.org.uk/mini.php Ron King '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 17:41:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D7145620 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36750455C7 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:41:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-131.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r3CNe09X027805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:40:03 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:31:34 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Thread-Index: Ac431d5zZh5kMofl00uCUiMirhdquw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Not disagreeing, but... If you have a brand that is famous for sports cars, but only among baby boomers, what is the point of using it to sell SUVs to GenXers or millennials? Potential customers (for the most part) have never heard of MG, so there's no "rub off" value there. People who remember MG probably have zero interest in Chinese SUVs (hence all the scoffing on this list). Yes, if they want to sell cars to a mass market, they need to make contemporary-looking cars in a popular market segment, agreed. But it makes no sense at all to drag the MG name into it. They might as well pick two random letters out of a hat..."ND" or "PB". Or if they want to sound Olde English, pull out another extinct brand, like Wolsely or Lanchester, that at least was known for family cars. Is "Austin" available? How about "Standard"? Heck, might as well go for "Morris". on 4/12/13 3:47 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > It is a huge segment of the auto industry. It's what people want. Whether they > should or not. It's hard to make a profit on things that the majority of > people don't want. > > Evolve or die. > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Max Heim wrote: > >> Never mind the styling -- what proves they "don't get it" is the fact that >> it is an SUV. MG never made trucks. >> >> Yes, Porsche makes an SUV, but that is also an abomination. >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >> >> >> on 4/12/13 2:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: >> >>> Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to >>> appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of >>> his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about >>> 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. >>> >>> It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages >>> and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow >>> from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the >>> same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks >>> my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I >>> wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when >>> he was a kid and young adult. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA >>> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese >>> cars >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: >>>> That is a sinister-looking design. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On >>>> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven >>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM >>>> To: mgs@autox.team.net >>>> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it >>>> >>>> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai >>>> >>>> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >>>> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. >>>> >>>> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. >>>> So they may keep it. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Hans Duinhoven >>>> >>>> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 07:10:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F420A455D9 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC0842577 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id t57so2601539wey.4 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:07:32 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=3XyJqCUYmDUX2m2i3AZ10LmZ5Dq5OF8Y58a/BKNwJHM=; b=Z2oy7lUSYWVTu0I6zC/bUxJ/5xs3FgFSg8uU/bHUKjM3wZZ2BKZ0U4ziroouXJq4P6 k3Pl6z5W7x6lpgDXeyrt4HeNKjLKIlsUM+yTcg6MSzztZM1zc1gxeeYD7TfOfctHL2n9 cVHfaqs9N3m5SYVEKavh5wrSU1n729KVNY+oSsDBv2PEMV4h+a49OcyW7zAUiD0xcau6 w/9FLeViG0oqHgSBr4pZ/H6Opfj2MQ/cGvRNtl6cTFqPZd3490fGLXuW/da2rn3IlqSD hV2KER2YD4UXNE6EQD88AZgDK6fPa9zHQLHRUXPt0kSstGP74j8GZW/RvDX5cVkGpyYP ufiQ== pe6mr23117074wjb.9.1365858452517; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm3510724wix.1.2013.04.13.06.07.31 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <003a01ce37b5$061104f0$12330ed0$@planet.nl> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:52:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The SUV is similar to any number of other manufacturers offerings in that segment they didn't fill before, and very similar to the Range Rover Evoque which while revolting is in great demand. The 'GT' looks like a squashed MINI, the other two conventional saloons, and so like, again, any number of other manufacturers. They aren't targeting us classic MG owners, we are a small and reducing number, although they may do a Midget in time. Whilst 'MG' probably doesn't mean a lot to people born in the last 30 years why shouldn't they (the company) market designs that will appeal to them (the public) like all the others, using an 'English' name they own? Pity they don't do the XPower SV though. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > > Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. > > Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > > > > Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 08:33:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5284595B for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from zeta.look.ca (zeta.look.ca [216.66.192.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941494430F for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a47c6.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.71.198] helo=tower.look.ca) by zeta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UR1UI-0006wz-PN; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:31:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:30:28 -0400 To: Max Heim ,MG List From: Barrie Robinson References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I hear Boeing's next super big passenger jet will be called the Spitfire. At 04:31 PM 4/12/2013 -0700, Max Heim wrote: >Not disagreeing, but... If you have a brand that is famous for sports cars, >but only among baby boomers, what is the point of using it to sell SUVs to >GenXers or millennials? > >Potential customers (for the most part) have never heard of MG, so there's >no "rub off" value there. People who remember MG probably have zero interest >in Chinese SUVs (hence all the scoffing on this list). > >Yes, if they want to sell cars to a mass market, they need to make >contemporary-looking cars in a popular market segment, agreed. But it makes >no sense at all to drag the MG name into it. They might as well pick two >random letters out of a hat..."ND" or "PB". Or if they want to sound Olde >English, pull out another extinct brand, like Wolsely or Lanchester, that at >least was known for family cars. Is "Austin" available? How about >"Standard"? Heck, might as well go for "Morris". > > > > >on 4/12/13 3:47 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb@gmail.com wrote: > > > It is a huge segment of the auto industry. It's what people want. > Whether they > > should or not. It's hard to make a profit on things that the majority of > > people don't want. > > > > Evolve or die. > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Max Heim wrote: > > > >> Never mind the styling -- what proves they "don't get it" is the fact that > >> it is an SUV. MG never made trucks. > >> > >> Yes, Porsche makes an SUV, but that is also an abomination. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Max Heim > >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires > >> > >> > >> on 4/12/13 2:20 PM, Don at don@napanet.net wrote: > >> > >>> Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to > >>> appreciate it. Just like music; one tends to favor the things of > >>> his/her youth. I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about > >>> 1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. > >>> > >>> It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages > >>> and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG. I have a fellow > >>> from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place. He is the > >>> same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago. He thinks > >>> my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas. I > >>> wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when > >>> he was a kid and young adult. > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA > >>> 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese > >>> cars > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: > >>>> That is a sinister-looking design. > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > >>>> Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven > >>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM > >>>> To: mgs@autox.team.net > >>>> Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >>>> > >>>> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >>>> > >>>> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. > >>>> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > >>>> > >>>> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. > >>>> So they may keep it. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Hans Duinhoven > >>>> > >>>> Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Mgs@autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com > > > > > >-- > >Max Heim >'66 MGB GHN3L76149 >If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >it's the primer red one with chrome wires >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:12:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53161447E3 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CB9442A1 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hm11so411689wib.5 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole :x-gm-message-state; bh=HTMpCds/85ZyLqSHfCRdA542yLkSKtHfgLn26s5Fl50=; b=QWBCrLV2Fq0fBmT0mdDYF9QsD5fetPEyV+tQrzaCgWyt7i+upiO10SlqSBRDs4UmGW 1cHH+0Rg+JH2tRtyfdqrCbLzrpSpdTE9pmrbCGE+wcRN0/mWJWh6HHVg+Ycpvo80WgNe Hfo9Bx7dtfsAdbe584c1NUTnHJUXaudeIRjREzbiUU+hNm3imKWAjpBzeHrR8ucYZpmM qoMARDoNaxWWEEPadB7FnN2RVnQ73ZFb3Nui4jVypTdrWaMFIT5vDfnt0akiDXqN64CG jgpte/qi/nV7n+7MVY6743jTsndVHHw+OmbFbc0Wak/QT8pUX/1GgEqlPO1QGG74+gIL ZHIA== ea4mr3448433wib.23.1365865650093; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm4053539wix.1.2013.04.13.08.07.28 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:39:57 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil filters and flow direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net After 23 years of changing oil filters on this engine, three or four times in the last few years there has been a problem in that the filter doesn't seem to have sealed properly, and chucked out about a cup-full of oil at first start. Oiled the new seal as usual, and the filter head was oily anyway. This time it didn't seal at all. Started up twice and it gushed out. Removed the filter, everything looked OK. Refitted tighter, tried again, gushed out again. Tried a new filter and this time it didn't leak, but oil pressure didn't rise as it should. Checked the dipstick and it was off the bottom, having been up to Max before, i.e. chucked out a couple of litres or more previously. Refilled and this time it was OK. These are Mann filters, with a bypass valve as well as an anti-drainback valve. What's the direction? I thought it came from the pump out of the back of the block past the oil gauge tapping, through the cooler, into the filter head (inverted replaceable cartridge type in my case), up the outside of the filter, then down through the middle and into the block for the bearings. This is what Haynes and the Workshop Manual appear to show. The curious thing is that immediately before oil started gushing out there was a sort of squeal from the direction of the filter, as if there was high pressure somewhere, but almost nothing was shown on the gauge. If there was something wrong with the filter such that it wasn't passing oil i.e. both the filter was blocked and the bypass failed, surely that should have shown on the gauge if that's between the pump and the filter? And if the filter was flowing oil (the middle had plenty in as normal when I took the first replacement off, and the anti-drainback tube on the filter head) why was so much pressure apparently developing to blow the seal? PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:29:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54581443E6 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.epbfi.com (mta4.epbfi.com [74.205.143.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E9A44836 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [68.169.165.92]) by mta4.epbfi.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B18B26993C for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: William Killeffer Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:23:07 -0400 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's not something that I would buy, but I'm not an SUV fan. Someone mentioned Hyundai and Kia having similar designs, and they do, and they're very popular. Nothing wrong with catering to the public's taste sometimes. I would rather see something like this with the Octagon logo on it keeping that alive, even if it's not the same as it used to be. I wish they had an MG-F variant in their lineup, and that it would be available for sale in the US. Maybe if this SUV comes to fruition and is profitable for them, they will have a good product offering and a dealer network over here. Nothing wrong with a Miata, but good competition is even better. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:31:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BB4463F2 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EDE448CA for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ML700BRB9G83X60@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:24:09 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:24:13 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: MGB oil filters and flow direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "PaulHunt73" Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB oil filters and flow direction > Paul: I recently lost an entire crankcase of oil similar to what you > describe. Then I proceeded to lose another 5 quarts when I discovered that > the O ring from the old filter had ahdered itself to the filter housing > and when I screwed the new filter on I had two O rings where there should > only have been one thus crating the oil leak. It was a costly lesson but > one I will never repeat. Check to make certain the old filter O ring came > off with the old filter. > Frank Krajewski > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PaulHunt73" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:39 AM > Subject: [Mgs] MGB oil filters and flow direction > > >> After 23 years of changing oil filters on this engine, three or four >> times in >> the last few years there has been a problem in that the filter doesn't >> seem to >> have sealed properly, and chucked out about a cup-full of oil at first >> start. >> Oiled the new seal as usual, and the filter head was oily anyway. This >> time >> it didn't seal at all. Started up twice and it gushed out. Removed the >> filter, everything looked OK. Refitted tighter, tried again, gushed out >> again. Tried a new filter and this time it didn't leak, but oil pressure >> didn't rise as it should. Checked the dipstick and it was off the >> bottom, >> having been up to Max before, i.e. chucked out a couple of litres or more >> previously. Refilled and this time it was OK. These are Mann filters, >> with a >> bypass valve as well as an anti-drainback valve. >> >> What's the direction? I thought it came from the pump out of the back of >> the >> block past the oil gauge tapping, through the cooler, into the filter >> head >> (inverted replaceable cartridge type in my case), up the outside of the >> filter, then down through the middle and into the block for the bearings. >> This is what Haynes and the Workshop Manual appear to show. >> >> The curious thing is that immediately before oil started gushing out >> there was >> a sort of squeal from the direction of the filter, as if there was high >> pressure somewhere, but almost nothing was shown on the gauge. If there >> was >> something wrong with the filter such that it wasn't passing oil i.e. both >> the >> filter was blocked and the bypass failed, surely that should have shown >> on the >> gauge if that's between the pump and the filter? And if the filter was >> flowing oil (the middle had plenty in as normal when I took the first >> replacement off, and the anti-drainback tube on the filter head) why was >> so >> much pressure apparently developing to blow the seal? >> >> PaulH. >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 11:48:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFE94659D for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp05.online.nl (smtp05.online.nl [194.134.41.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181F4448FC for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp05.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193E8524E9 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:44:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from WoonkamerPC.gmx.net (s529cd08c.adsl.online.nl [82.156.208.140]) by smtp05.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:44:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:44:05 +0200 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Bert Palte Subject: [Mgs] Oil filter and flow direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net At the risk of making a stupid remark: Do you use the correct filter? E.g. anti-drainback in the wrong direction and later blown to pieces as the pressure builds up? I use Mann W 916/1 (bought a small stock, once) without problems for both my 1970 MGB and my 1972 Sunbeam Sceptre. Bert _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 18:07:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0A24671E for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 18:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911DD42FCC for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 18:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-142-138.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.142.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r3E05Kd6014502; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:05:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:06:54 -0500 To: "PaulHunt73" , From: Barney Gaylord References: <3BF221E3105B4A8C801BDCF3BD69F867@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB oil filters and flow direction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, -- You have the flow path right, but the gauge pressure tap is wrong. The gauge port is not directly connected to the large outletport at the RR corner of the block. The outlet fitting at this point has an extended tube inside the block that isolates the outlet port from the gauge port. The gauge port is at the back end of the main oil gallery in the block, downstreanm from the filter. The gauge will register oil pressure as presented to the crankshaft main bearings. If the oil filter is clogged or leaking badly, it is possible to have god oil pressure before the filter, and poor pressure shoeing on the gauge (insufficient oil to the crankshaft). See notes and picture 3/4 down the page here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/of101.htm A few pages to follow have more information on oil flow path, oil gallery drillings, port plugs, and either excess or deficient oil pressure issues. It sounds like you have run across some faulty oil filters blocking the flow. Since the pressure relief valve comes before the filter, I have no idea why they leak. Could be a bad filter base seal ,or perhaps a faulty female thread teh prevents the filter from screwing on all the way. I recently ran across an incomplete thread like that in a NAPA Gold (WIX) oil filter (just one in a lifetime). Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 03:39 PM 4/13/2013 +0100, PaulHunt73 wrote: >.... three or four times in the last few years there has been a >problem in that the filter doesn't seem to have sealed properly, and >chucked out about a cup-full of oil at first start. .... This time >it didn't seal at all. .... These are Mann filters, with a bypass >valve as well as an anti-drainback valve. > >What's the direction? I thought it came from the pump out of the >back of the block past the oil gauge tapping, through the cooler, >into the filter head .... up the outside of the filter, then down >through the middle and into the block for the bearings. >.... > >.... immediately before oil started gushing out there was a sort of >squeal from the direction of the filter, as if there was high >pressure somewhere, but almost nothing was shown on the gauge. If >there was something wrong with the filter such that it wasn't >passing oil i.e. both the filter was blocked and the bypass failed, >surely that should have shown on the gauge if that's between the >pump and the filter? .... >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 23:16:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3CB434AC for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 23:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7734C4320A for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 23:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU405-EAS96 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:14:23 -0700 References: <003a01ce37b5$061104f0$12330ed0$@planet.nl> From: Mike E Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:14:23 -0400 To: PaulHunt73 FILETIME=[ED2CAEB0:01CE38CE] Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net MG may not mean much to people born in the U.S. in the last 30 years, anyway. But SAIC doesn't seem to be too interested in the US market anymore. Mike Eldred Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2013, at 9:09, "PaulHunt73" wrote: > The SUV is similar to any number of other manufacturers offerings in that segment they didn't fill before, and very similar to the Range Rover Evoque which while revolting is in great demand. The 'GT' looks like a squashed MINI, the other two conventional saloons, and so like, again, any number of other manufacturers. They aren't targeting us classic MG owners, we are a small and reducing number, although they may do a Midget in time. Whilst 'MG' probably doesn't mean a lot to people born in the last 30 years why shouldn't they (the company) market designs that will appeal to them (the public) like all the others, using an 'English' name they own? Pity they don't do the XPower SV though. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai >> >> Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. >> >> Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. >> >> >> >> Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 08:42:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101D542FCE for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eta.look.ca (eta.look.ca [216.66.192.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890AD42EF0 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a47c6.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.71.198] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by eta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1URO11-00078G-Rn; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:34:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:21:24 -0400 To: "Hans Duinhoven" , From: Barrie Robinson References: <003a01ce37b5$061104f0$12330ed0$@planet.nl> Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hans, WHAT AN ABORTION ! At 09:36 PM 12/04/2013 +0200, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > >Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. > >Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > > > >Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. > >So they may keep it. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Hans Duinhoven > > > >Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 08:43:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B9244D9F for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eta.look.ca (eta.look.ca [216.66.192.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8D442EF2 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a47c6.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.71.198] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by eta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1URO12-00078G-0w; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:34:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:28:33 -0400 To: Rick Lindsay ,don@napanet.net, mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The defining factor is education and life experience. The less you have of either the less you have of good taste! At 04:55 PM 12/04/2013 -0500, Rick Lindsay wrote: >Naaa Don. B That car is butt-ugly. B Reminds me of a couple-year-old >Ford Focus. B e.g. the 'hot hatch' teenager market. > >But what you say is true. B I'm old and although an exotic car guy, >the new Corvette and even the latest offerings from Maranello look >to me like plastic kit-cars. B Full scale Hot Wheels. > >-rick >Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded >corners, just like a BlackBerry. > >-------- Original message -------- >From: Don >Date: 04/12/2013 4:20 PM (GMT-06:00) >To: mgs@autox.team.net >Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > >Maybe it's beautiful and we are too old or of the wrong culture to >appreciate it.B Just like music; one tends to favor the things of >his/her youth.B I love '50s rock 'n roll, but rock music from about >1980 on sounds like the Chinese MG looks- awful. > >It would be interesting to get feedback from people of different ages >and cultures as to how they view the Chinese MG.B I have a fellow >from Honduras who assists me on taking care of my place.B He is the >same age as me, 63, who came to the US about 15 years ago.B He thinks >my MGs are ugly, and likes the looks of new Toyotas and Hondas.B I >wonder if that may be because he didn't see MGs or similar cars when >he was a kid and young adult. > >---------------------------------------- > >Don Scott,B Calistoga CA USA >1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars > > > > > >At 5 PM 4/12/2013, David F. Darby wrote: > >That is a sinister-looking design. > > > >David > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > >Behalf Of Hans Duinhoven > >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:36 PM > >To: mgs@autox.team.net > >Subject: [Mgs] The Chinese guys don't get it > > > >http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/23011/mg-met-suv-concept-maar-shanghai > > > >Some new info what the Chinese guys are planning with MG. > >Sorry for the Dutch text - the pics will tell enough. > > > >Nothing to find back of the original MG spirit. > >So they may keep it. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Hans Duinhoven > > > >Still happy with the spirit of my '71 BGT >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donationB $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards Barrie barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 14:39:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2458E40551 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B4C40552 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 20:37:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 20:37:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 20:37:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366403853; bh=FNEr5upUdmqE3TwEIOJ+XpPP6jxt0nflPrHGR+lN2rc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=rAWJoUgNZoJrWSZMXP/Lg8s65W/s5mBl7YjIBSkey7tW8UfW7j8LaGt/GucsOycSwPbeU9EjAnxajc/PmXWax9HggxM6VdOoOxR0GSS1n9loGTnhGA4+J/DNWOjOYacLiuM2nFCIHq9Kzj+26VGF6kqQnmEhwuGqnr7MtKdNfXk= dozLu_pGYKAXLeVrTSG2LfU_yoxOfngmXdA8Xvdb2cjwQG6.7p2OAaxvg32Y 2aDDJuGTmwx.kMBD5_eixPwr6YxvKigDxfAfHpAzzMc8ZGPL4ejGdcFDVNl5 cprkBPa2apwfgkn6kgFRKXIo5XtOlIseVR4XjuHDtp8rmgQXjqLK5GVlTGA_ 1AyGbSsFgziNAuqaRA0Jw70hOT9OdYZtqN1zABLYOn8k5LSoA38.D.YhVDHK mOrmpsosP2W46B.XUZbVC7cHdqvIUBv_So6i2iV6FjXI2Pl_HQgk.LYp_REl .xB.4ae5_0P3Z4XMAIazfIfDPJsoCxCkF5QD9HT9p_UGyJlIKQJ.GATTrk14 t.4H5FOn1wthoPFurQtC6P5pxTF69mldblVg8XHJJhwE1qHLNwoGKD_Neuro JCXHGZYD6mo7lfbBYF1DB_oLi2OnwVwY- smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2013 20:37:33 +0000 UTC From: "Ron King" To: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:37:29 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac49PbO518T642fMQTC5HToaA5ZUmg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Member disabled Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Got an email indicating my membership was disabled due to many email bounces. Anyone else get such an email? Thanks Ron King '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 15:12:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C1540E95 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC7840E95 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailpod1.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.120]) by atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r3JLAxPU014562 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:10:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 20073 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2013 21:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Yorkie) (lister@bonackers.com@64.22.228.130) by 0 with ESMTPA; 19 Apr 2013 21:10:59 -0000 From: "Scott Bonacker" To: References: <000001ce3d3d$b778cdd0$266a6970$@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:11:02 -0500 Organization: Scott Bonacker Thread-Index: AQI0kDkj1xfSGHtYtzMO8TxNpfoHWZgRYrSQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Member disabled Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That has happened to me in the past. The internet email delivery system is dynamic - admins make changes to try and control spam and other evildoers, blocklists expand and contract. Email providers sometimes have to make changes in the configuration of the messages sent out to comply with a murky set of rules. Scott Bonacker Rogersville, MO -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron King Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:37 PM To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Member disabled Got an email indicating my membership was disabled due to many email bounces. Anyone else get such an email? Thanks Ron King '71 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 15:16:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAB340EC2 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B835B403BA for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 21:15:44 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.111] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 21:15:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 21:15:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366406144; bh=p8LRQgMeTCa6YK/UuCtPalu7gmJm8eNa6k474Ro3Pt8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z0xTd9n/8aY7QQqxtUOtIHGhnNWY1IiV4Bsf5h5X0sdjXO2Mig4mH8tXtAZewLvw1kVvZG63j2frS17DvophUcDJqCbdmeIf6AEamHRY3ahOLLxJnL1SfR63UJpHBbOiettXT73VMwiMscLRTQhsJFdbtRDVaQI2JwZjXOMIe5o= 5J.C2QecYBWInH.u2683DiUJPTJlsmXobEhF3vgFQ2rm0uXIxPmcmkjQsrMw JGqOvxyDigRty9zO7Zxgd19L0knVczyjjje71jPJb6uNPo3fuTBjv3hRedto lF7wTpf79mbdbonCg7UQ7an0OJERdTXlXg2kBaKC2WSyiP8QSZ1aQp.DIrFi EIyC2XFdOFBM0TMy6rqU2wa1Mglw1BP1.GBX5AkXfLVDmF0lSpGADBvCEg_z smaNvuqwPvELWQJ380mcC2y0LmnK2W_AVmwgHvPDUkixQKStkZGHtsbgCIR_ Pa4LuSnjMiBtK75b4PW7krYMrRERFfr7D9HzjB54GFUnjhd75T08aTk_PVN8 u903CNbQsApsDaz9G2qGT2rNDOOnVj8ub4UHxHPnse5zqHZRhIIuyWsj2O5Q Qi.iZyVRfSsK7EF.o_fh0cqJM9.F0grz_aLUzOqeqbqI- by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2013 14:15:44 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:15:56 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <000001ce3d3d$b778cdd0$266a6970$@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Member disabled Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Same here. Everything else is working fine. Charles Hill On 4/19/2013 3:37 PM, Ron King wrote: > Got an email indicating my membership was disabled due to many email > bounces. Anyone else get such an email? > > > > Thanks > > Ron King > > '71 MGB > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/chillmog@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 15:36:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC49F42284 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786E440539 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:36:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49311A0FF9; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:38:05 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: Ron King , Mgs@autox.team.net References: <000001ce3d3d$b778cdd0$266a6970$@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Member disabled Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ron King wrote: > Got an email indicating my membership was disabled due to many email > bounces. Anyone else get such an email? > > Yahoo is unwilling or unable to hire any tech support staff with more than three working brain cells. sbcglobal is routed through yahoo.com. Any and all Team.Net subscribers with yahoo addresses are getting the short end of the stick. Maybe someday I'll actually get some useful information out of those scumbags. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 19 15:50:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D60442268 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:50:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1789640E3B for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 21:49:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 21:49:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2013 21:49:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1366408196; bh=CCRqpy7s08sjS97PsgkiDSdzL5yva7c3wRIDUSAz+lg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o17FleNlZPfRKCsZNxf29HLti/h4uLNRIXdJTuBtEw90lO7T1CBG6G0/vlbmusMgfHjoZ8a+KN51Hg1WODRfqumBl//1sapvo4/TbHtKFkXtyyMH+rOlp8B9t1OyLJeQdRhcTtCqQaESkxq782XRh3AUCTkFJhrcJOEQqlWmGTU= 5YYthzdb4GbiTAe0UsPXP3Q6WSB6OfBPHW.mIJmmC5PdHHrylTXrmcGrtyKe ndoMs8PQ2g5dFlsXNkHIsxGrlQh2pZvfyFk4msZy_nSk4VFGsRLlQKWP1BrE rqLftr2MNqG757smhuHibwSYpjYjy5m7GYJBTZfnG1Ps0qSCoVBBm1JrHeXD dHLpTvATiI7ZbjQ7hEAsNHhkkZo_uG0sKVYnDmxX9iX8DZs8MB4msYKymVDY gaY.4m6GF38GkCWwCATrUYtEYWYiPHp4LWNbpNiSpeXZFG_EfXT_BQNMoKnp xKRWwxwtq_ZKDWvsVuL0DlU82Qds28FbCR5bdvlPQRHAnoeBg8.1tgge80Iw yigUz1HGwlFL7Ti51S9GB7PMfdkZxIVcDbge9TrV1DiAJFMi6U27b..8fc.a N684ddCzDhlFAZlt01I1.P9xWScvckAqtFex_Kh3.SiTel_wsmftTIXkGyv1 ibQlJ4j0_H2SCyWl4fWnj1.x9GR7F1zujb_vuqThwYQgl9.H3o4YRRjTPgyH YZpTUZBfok37GhDF2mji3xNehcU5B by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2013 14:49:56 -0700 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:50:09 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <000001ce3d3d$b778cdd0$266a6970$@sbcglobal.net> <5171B93D.20007@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Member disabled Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, You actually got through to someone? That is more than I have ever been able to accomplish. It doesn't help to complain to SBC Global. Charles Hill On 4/19/2013 4:38 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Ron King wrote: >> Got an email indicating my membership was disabled due to many email >> bounces. Anyone else get such an email? >> >> > Yahoo is unwilling or unable to hire any tech support staff with more > than three working > brain cells. sbcglobal is routed through yahoo.com. Any and all > Team.Net subscribers > with yahoo addresses are getting the short end of the stick. > > Maybe someday I'll actually get some useful information out of those > scumbags. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/chillmog@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 20 13:10:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7699242A28 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CAF42A28; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id w15so4710755vbf.18 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:08:36 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4NPG1HB1Gbo/aD9xAaSicnf4BuBSSrWoRaFnZlzjOlc=; b=t8eSvoeMoKWJoANsoLchvSvy8mIKRMCWH9D7tQ0H0FLKXeosFuTnpLF8hB0/vk13BO JcrZGmbjNRdnhEuzqkK7+HxvyUY615zF/jRKheDjTBYRqruZYkqrU6O+JubVLcAttu0+ IsZFBeDQtWLFmy8YGjgDMJw+JXrwKz0Y853XQwp52U1ranT3IDciZ1edKOiRysPSESBO gRfJQemH3TJwwn7hhC/H9WoCgtwbOEk/WxhM7XKhde/6HJujWpSbkS4ccE6r5xUH/Vfz lS2MTPSArPrKFHHj4dK8Fbdr3DVEDlmNahEdY249qrXYKHpRhlhqRwTl9AOOYtmIQFPY 6EjQ== Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:08:35 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Still taking things apart Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Fun in the garage today - although I'm getting a little tired of taking rusty things apart. Soon I hope to begin rebuilding. Fortunately, the engine and driveline will be fun - and they're not rusty - at least not inside! :-P Today I took the bumper and rear valance off, as I continue disassembly. The goal is still working toward lifting the tub away. Here's how it looks now. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130420_123023.jpg And now, a few close-ups to aid in reassembly. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130420_123034.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130420_123038.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130420_123044.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130420_123050.jpg Once cleaned, all of these parts will get a coat of POR15 before painting and reassembly. Once I got this far I needed to stand up and stretch my old back. While doing so, I began removing the mahogany wood around the rear of the tub. This car has had the top replaced a number of times and the wood is quite chewed up. Moss stocks these parts and I will replace the chewed-up bits with new. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130420_125054.jpg And this is where I stopped. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 21 17:40:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87AF42453 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9155C40544; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id ht11so3381543vcb.13 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=d6dYpmvGBi+kHFN4E6C6UxSXrDWBUvvVAhg/ld8ZP64=; b=IlSfFsubUwpaaKv5y5AOjOmNddIYtdFz94j+DmT7fnwpOBU0ONj0s/cUauzGBv+IEk KMRdehE7PS3Hfu8Sq6+wXgs2btyNJ7qCGP2+JHpkZnND1mptW2CgS/wP1NaWwm85hian iIwGgk8HjjQwETQpy1skwh9pZaRzPQ7cqndK9rXcUz7BTOg0YE2eNuj4Yuh4TKIboP30 Qcnk6q1c4oA7u7PUg+PN+5kei0aAm8JqtGbz4GGqtf40JbhwdufiGzMC4OBL+lfZtAdO PvT0xocn0jOf4lIB4r9kb2Y6oOehGNWwmRtmcaxl1CnCt4nkbQZnU+P9u0DSSiETl4LR mtAA== ky8mr15006734vdb.128.1366587516457; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:38:36 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante , schooler Subject: [Mgs] Repairing the wood Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I found a few minutes this evening so I started the hole-filling process. If you read my earlier post, you may remember that some PO (before Bill) installed a new interior, perhaps two in the 60 years since it left England. In those cases the POs did not pull the tacks from earlier work but rather, they just drove tacks between them. I pulled them all. This evening I began driving glue and toothpicks into the tack holes. In many cases, two toothpicks were required to infill the hole! I did not get too far along in the process because bending over the tub makes my old back ache. I also did not repair the screw holes or glue the small splits at a couple of screw holes. But I will. Here are a couple of pictures of the repairs, just started. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130421_175804.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130421_175825.jpg You might notice in that last picture that the wood is pretty chewed up down at the end, not far from the door opening. I'll infill that area with plastic wood, or Bondo, or glue and sawdust, or something. Anyway, the goal will be to rebuild the corner, just to support the metal. Tomorrow, with the glue cured, I'll clip the toothpicks off with wire cutters and sand the repairs smooth. I'll then move along the tub continuing the repairs. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 11:47:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8824F42EBC for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC2042E62 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id p11so429947pdj.36 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=RFwC2QgsDLHFmGhfRLG4xkS9KsSYu8RzK/JJVMA10e8=; b=kiG7LcBQdk/V78m+ZJgqiGC/F3qbcHsf3KilOdQjma9P13O9qUFvDQQGwNufYJrxeJ lfN9WkPINIaBYSaKlAoChlUu702iwQuBWdTxV/Rbhd7XtTUoF+m4pDiAsfWF2HX3Dzro 0N5YWRh38z6b7zWD2WMfftdzdEu4Rw9b3XU366pXOzzXwuFRdMX3WIajXpSAFgvJC4yz 88J7VU0InHP6QW2Dg8anB00S1m53vf6kPgQde4gDQUg9c40tlM7wck9ecE+IsSCuDHwN 1YnZONOjWY9+PTyaMymRT1blCa8HyF+HKV6O3ffhKs0nYHkrZHkGQ79U641MKXYUjg1y aiXw== gj1mr33888348pbb.13.1366652741398; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vk7sm25931852pbc.41.2013.04.22.10.45.38 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:45:36 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had my B for nearly twenty years now, but haven't ever looked at a midget before. A '77 Midget showed up for sale near me recently and I am going to go see it. I know where the B rusts and what the crack of doom is all about... What about the midget? Where does it rust? What problems should I be aware of that should make me walk away? Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 12:18:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7C342ED8 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451364041C for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W27 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:16:44 -0700 From: Mike E To: Andrew Lundgren , "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:16:44 -0400 References: <51757740.8060005@byu.net> FILETIME=[8B80D700:01CE3F85] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew, It's mostly the same stuff, same places. Rust in the dogleg, rust at the bottom of the front fender, floors, trunk. Check under the carpet for signs of water/rust. Beware of doors that don't fit right. The bonnets have a tendency to fly up as the rubber/plastic buffers get worn, so look for sign of that having happened in the past, and make sure it's all nice and firm-feeling now (doesn't wobble from side to side when closed, no excessive up and down play when it's closed and you push down on it). I'm not all that familiar with the 1500 engine, so maybe someone else will fill us in on their quirks. Good luck! -Mike Eldred 77 MGB 73 Midget 54 TF > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:45:36 -0600 > From: lundgren@byu.net > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? > > I have had my B for nearly twenty years now, but haven't ever looked at > a midget before. > > A '77 Midget showed up for sale near me recently and I am going to go > see it. > > I know where the B rusts and what the crack of doom is all about... What > about the midget? Where does it rust? What problems should I be aware of > that should make me walk away? > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 12:27:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E74C42EEE for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687244293D for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (108-169-4-13.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.13] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r3MIQ9QD024424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:26:11 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:25:52 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Thread-Index: Ac4/htHlBjEtzmrnBkO/cpgc4EpxVg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A '77 would not be my first choice. A few years ago I had a '78 offered to me for free -- I posted it and asked around -- no takers. Condition may have been a factor. But fugly bumpers and anemic output are right up there. First thing to check is if you can fit in the cockpit and work the pedals. Wiith my long legs, I can sit there with my knees splayed out, but I have to work the pedals with the side of my shoe, which is pretty tiresome. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 4/22/13 10:45 AM, Andrew Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > I have had my B for nearly twenty years now, but haven't ever looked at > a midget before. > > A '77 Midget showed up for sale near me recently and I am going to go > see it. > > I know where the B rusts and what the crack of doom is all about... What > about the midget? Where does it rust? What problems should I be aware of > that should make me walk away? > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 12:41:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C936142EBC for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBC142DF0 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4B7A1D9C for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:38:44 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <51757740.8060005@byu.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One problem with the 1500 motor is the crank thrust washers. Once they wear too much they tend to fall out into the oil pan. The best check is to have someone push in the clutch pedal a few times with the motor running while you closely watch the front pulley. If pushing the clutch in moves the pulley forward, you may need an engine rebuild. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 12:56:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118242E3A for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com (mail-pd0-f169.google.com [209.85.192.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2602E42E1B for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so283103pdc.0 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=1UqIAxdCVWf+tAvNYdnkLGnnbH/JCA9RooJ603dnlFE=; b=AMjU+7dufu4jfniLXwpUV8/NZ6tksV/UjhwBbg5mzRXYpKNCxymGH2OuuCF/Hy85In Isc1uDuVr5LQjynrxgSiyteKppIvndi1CF20HkOSLwfKVRxe1mKEcJVMbHnhKOKLfG9n 23hfpDlFCm7jGtDmN43lRDZ+hBWjrVeRmyxUTmW/BB+9Cvw7XpbOyBHmz4GjVNKDnqq+ Zwo7Hb0o6J9mXRYAt/rrkzCX9nwvu7wh7S0W3IsY7iSoc400jWhI7uV7DJQHM3aJOXei 3LbNk4aBD3glld51Dj/MoRBXt18dtx4K8eWyIG0VNYrPQ6uPsiHP6P4HII2hMDZr3OL1 nlUg== xq5mr30725512pab.136.1366656911370; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.110.12.72] (mobile-166-137-213-109.mycingular.net. [166.137.213.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qb1sm121705pbb.33.2013.04.22.11.55.09 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:55:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <51757740.8060005@byu.net> <517583B4.60701@bradakis.com> From: Richard Ewald Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:55:07 -0700 To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If the thrust fall out you might well need a new block. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2013, at 11:38, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > One problem with the 1500 motor is the crank thrust washers. Once they wear > too much they tend to fall out into the oil pan. The best check is to have someone > push in the clutch pedal a few times with the motor running while you closely watch > the front pulley. If pushing the clutch in moves the pulley forward, you may need > an engine rebuild. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 13:21:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF5642DF0 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5D142DED for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:21:32 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=tA9ixPjpZ+w5aiFgEc+M5g==:17 a=8F-w-caNNEkA:10 a=YTHtZiAxaJsA:10 a=I_5RNyk1AAAA:8 a=BEJ6agapQPgA:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=AI-jZdvHdjulSgQF9fYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=nAdQZq7pleOuMFRzV4gA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tA9ixPjpZ+w5aiFgEc+M5g==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=adrianjones747@centurylink.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.49.181.179] ([71.49.181.179:30802] helo=AdrianJonesPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id F0/43-15036-C7D85715; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:20:30 -0400 From: "Adrian Jones" To: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:20:21 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac4/jm5eBrp775RHR+eIonujr1SSyw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Apart from usual stuff (sills rusted), there maybe: Cracked exhaust manifold Rod knock (bad big-end bearings) Bad motor mounts None of the above I would consider a deal breaker but something to watch out for on RB Midgets. Good luck - I love my Midget (after fixing it up) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 14:31:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530AB42DA1 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D245242BE4 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id lb1so3850022pab.5 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=7MTIylwxKmpFSaeX9tUd1alDTtjQeuUA7N40nZ5Wag4=; b=GstfkhXXYaGR8pNxMaWOxhgZA526BbsZRk0lVR7S7eR6ygxGNudneWkMoZDOtem74O xrds0TAoE4jQy55XsJ6zmuWwIurvzF/HTsl9+kX4IZtvn2UtIx+0LdLW4Vo3JAaeerbc r3mh6PJgDcJkE0T+Yd+WODsL2DHUrFP5DeeAG0x06fZ/Mgd9BGquieC7wYxFTPQEb1a4 iYMHmBjQugYb9rsr6y6u7GcdKEGDUccdEgXDbE5I8pCy1ER/xakXEecNLtrbO0dhkbeh noOU0a9cnljAm+zqkDRP2IBCSUsagX3dVSUgjpCSsF0+HeIuh2PQiZ4PlOqgOzHf+vF/ EkSw== ug6mr30421310pac.43.1366662618611; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wz9sm26424149pbc.5.2013.04.22.13.30.16 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:30:14 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <51757740.8060005@byu.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Going to look at buying an MG Midget soon, what should I be wary of? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Someone seems to have beaten me to it. That one went quick... On 04/22/2013 11:45 AM, Andrew Lundgren wrote: > I have had my B for nearly twenty years now, but haven't ever looked > at a midget before. > > A '77 Midget showed up for sale near me recently and I am going to go > see it. > > I know where the B rusts and what the crack of doom is all about... > What about the midget? Where does it rust? What problems should I be > aware of that should make me walk away? > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 22:44:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EFA4056E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f169.google.com (mail-pd0-f169.google.com [209.85.192.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B284052F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so879463pdc.28 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:31 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=HTR7l9Uaah466kNcaLUezNg9+dcSMsE4eSct2rZa0XY=; b=TxcyZTKdEdD3voLQJw9Yl38xYcQ9UEitluGFdPiO45uQdwuiFeVvuPwj+LTkhc7kje aEjJ8Pgdz9ZPSx/ytBeOmEalDdVWtBpqke6fiKNqKiEKDGLnIk14xYi4GJlY4fA2xhMr LVyKmpHywhnjux/sljjOG46CPi2/KfEX4W2K0sWmxy2RfuSpjiUilo+Az6EgbYHzfwn8 vEut/yl+t3NifnK+NRwj3RpYllL0TxNQYoeM3azwtt4ThrwgEj5QwFgXMEIg3dqyDDxL 7Nq2h/bgFcAowipKo+PeUx1/5uWcPUDa+TpeOLkAGUQEbxEswMW/9RVizvWYYFLTIMUG jHEQ== fw3mr44199364pbb.112.1366778430838; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:40:10 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm getting ready to do diagnostics to see why my 79B (with HIF's and a dizzy) won't start. Last November, after sitting for 7 months, it started and I drove it 8 miles to town. I had trouble restarting it twice while in town, although it did start after cranking for probably 30 seconds. It ran fine on the highway back home, but wouldn't start again once I shut it off. How can I check to see if it is bad gas? The gas in the tank is about a year old. Can I squirt ether into the carbs without any harm? Thanks, Monte _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 08:35:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F2640C01 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com (mail-we0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F0B40687 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id z53so1699928wey.37 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:33:22 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=x3zl5KLAVcavbjKPLaHU0a+ZD/fEYrcpoPYBfy+L6oE=; b=YbxNHIUzxEpiS4hDH2rXMrnY9nq2POeobq7xKmnAYcFhrmtPjoTq4OsDg5LXVy33GZ IFGwrM70nlRwWJyED28rDdQUmIzn4sv6FXZywQN/C8Gd+4H+vvDQo6ImEptjbfQ9h9CA kTstrB4BiTfYfkRceRfP42g3GbmRVZgA15zvVjdtXR5Wie273GOsO7vB49nx0uKY4+CO rZqhtRTK/pIm63JZieT7euRzEcq9rnffuPtvOg/YoB+FTkmqJrKAjYL/v83xiUZATK7O lKlpHifAA6urqZM2kGMAVSVIqX9Z8PIEJjubqcFJN9MfTnXQAg4sF40vfrfa/NtnKQmQ 6q9w== n6mr21339006wiw.28.1366814001805; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ed6sm4534126wib.9.2013.04.24.07.33.20 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , "MG list" References: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:11:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If it started OK after sitting 7 months, runs fine, but won't start after a short switch-off, I don't really see it being fuel, although a year in the tank is a long time especially considering what I hear about American fuels. Ether is likely to mask all sorts of problems - fuel and ignition. It may well make it start more easily, but it's just covering up a fault (or faults) that should be diagnosed and fixed properly. Running the float chambers dry (disconnect the pump and run the engine till it conks out) then hook up a temporary container with fresh fuel to gravity feed the carbs (single feed to both carbs as normal with HIFs I presume) will eliminate the fuel. But I'd also be checking the spark and seeing if the plugs are wet or smell strongly of fuel after cranking for a while with no start. manual choke I presume, are you using that when trying to restart? PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > .. How can I check to see if it is bad gas? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 09:34:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F166040E1B for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:34:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0370940409 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ro2so488167pbb.18 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=IjCeJlWnAVSrTIIPxm/fkjGjRbydi98yaDPKOU7xuRk=; b=pNAw5a1BfTVJmWJdH6eNu2DTbL7uV03impe01XdaGgnFYtIN3olLFQF8ox1dOpUjkG qUJ9SOPdMqis0wpHBS6h6CAxM9ebBYcUgooAVSBegoy8tYvKv7V+3j4SQ+uMWDJtpRPT EjHGjObTlAmeDpAUOLfTDdHnct0OWmtt7VZqlcgabdTYvJ1Ei8ESRCnRclgel/xk4xZQ vGPNWXqOWSvl5bk41CnmreXwW+wU+yGx7FHc137DcsWL95hzJHzXj0SJ9QE1acGLo8CU ftQqOpglSCYlgWzdINHI3tSPjpbpouXu5NMDnrsa1RR4PmUx1sFa4FLdM6ACEMv2m9wy 47Kw== lr1mr19814036pab.147.1366817356467; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:28:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <5B7A6F806E0D42D980E350C2EE3AD749@paul> From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:28:56 -0500 To: PaulHunt73 Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, no ether:). The car won't start now, so running the carbs dry is a no go. I'll check the plugs after cranking. It has a manual choke that I always use, winter and summer (briefly), when starting cold. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:11 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > If it started OK after sitting 7 months, runs fine, but won't start after > a short switch-off, I don't really see it being fuel, although a year in > the tank is a long time especially considering what I hear about American > fuels. > > Ether is likely to mask all sorts of problems - fuel and ignition. It may > well make it start more easily, but it's just covering up a fault (or > faults) that should be diagnosed and fixed properly. > > Running the float chambers dry (disconnect the pump and run the engine > till it conks out) then hook up a temporary container with fresh fuel to > gravity feed the carbs (single feed to both carbs as normal with HIFs I > presume) will eliminate the fuel. > > But I'd also be checking the spark and seeing if the plugs are wet or > smell strongly of fuel after cranking for a while with no start. manual > choke I presume, are you using that when trying to restart? > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> .. How can I check to see if it is bad gas? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 17:11:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ABD40EB0 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 085F84054C for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:11:11 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1366844998; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=k63ZxjnGItAtAGPLTX/FDwtSGb8mIxHwp2JMCUln2x6mXEixtGGW/thNOeMk6E1IZ 7f6ZPW6BUP+JWTsllvQQG4O15cd3GE0WdL8nVUxXtwkoli3VAMBt5jg/ZGcfEmyW2v RR/6cb7UbE/hbgKNQaOD0eowM+AX3B8CU9Nbeq7g= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJZS3SPABV6RZ2 for (sender ); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:01:42 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:01:42 GMT To: montejane@gmail.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Monte, Check to see that it's consistently getting gas. Disconnect the fuel line to the carb and pump a quart into a container. It's possible that the pump is pumping sporadically because a winter's disuse has allowed the pump's points to oxidize. Before doing this, disconnect a wire to the coil. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Monte Jane Morris To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] won't start Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:40:10 -0500 I'm getting ready to do diagnostics to see why my 79B (with HIF's and a dizzy) won't start. Last November, after sitting for 7 months, it started and I drove it 8 miles to town. I had trouble restarting it twice while in town, although it did start after cranking for probably 30 seconds. It ran fine on the highway back home, but wouldn't start again once I shut it off. How can I check to see if it is bad gas? The gas in the tank is about a year old. Can I squirt ether into the carbs without any harm? Thanks, Monte _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 22:06:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363E9424C7 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB87540690 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:06:02 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7novQhQBkVrCpgifuAMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=8740MLGn9zXRoACcxgF/8A==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.28.107] ([72.172.28.107:52894] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id B0/46-05157-06BA8715; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:04:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:04:40 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Monte Jane Morris References: Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Check and see if the points are opening all the way, then pull a piece of clean white paper, double folded, through them to eliminate dirt, etc. Lube the rubbing block while you're in there. Then make sure you have a good spark. Remember, most carb problems are in the ignition. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 22:51:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB5B424C7 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BF84056E for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kl13so1616473pab.29 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:50:26 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=GJri/74fT9SWIUdt156IaXmgDB66lac78ff8393uxuc=; b=NvVF+aPJXFQzuTvmEnQLug3Pe4WHeJldiERJ8+I6GPtSwGKBglxunnfAArbQGEiode O2tk5Yijbp3KnFesCidK6bGzaBisZ2gszsku0ufzDF+Iq50TfgrP5VhnzptMzHjmDPDJ E3aT7Ua1CDo3c3gQTUHmak5w5m7MaJAIlspa9jBMCOO63eCVYer+UStjd9hmGLDiSk86 ExMsNFg7AgpXkrzssOGwqm9mw+WcCl5/fbcZFBcZOJN+ySb+69OPfSt0KJM0izHrWHRU VvHGQLF8L50OgnArhhPUi/zvjHsn9BUqusd9AxJCuTuUASnST3cIKTGT9gCzdRuWTk3G yeNw== yb3mr50695385pbb.212.1366865425966; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:50:05 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Today I did the following from my saved files that others have suggested over the years: To test the solenoid contacts, I ran a jumper from a brown wire to the Coil +terminal: No spark. I took out #4 plug and grounded it to the block: NO spark. With the dizzy cap off, I cranked it and did once (only once) see sparks between the points. Later I pulled the HT lead off the dizzy and grounded it and cranked: No spark. I have power on both sides of the second fuse up. I tested the primary coil circuit by connecting a voltmeter between the + coil terminal and ground w/ the points closed and ignition on and got Battery voltage. I closed the points and tested voltage between the neg coil terminal and ground and got 0 volts with the ignition on. I checked the primary winding on the coil and got Battery Voltage by connecting the - coil terminal and ground w/ ignition on. I also tested continuity between + and - coil terminals and registered .1 ohms. The continuity between coil negative and the HT outlet was 400-600 ohms; Somewhere I read this should be 8000-11500 ohms??? I substituted a new starter relay to no avail. But the relay DOES NOT CLICK during or after cranking. I drew a piece of 600 grit sandpaper between the points. A small amount of gas is on the plug after cranking. Today, I found a systematic troubleshooting flowchart on Paul's site that I'll try tomorrow. Any suggestions of observations from the above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 02:51:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6667A40545 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 02:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD7E40545 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 02:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z11so1273596wgg.8 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:50:08 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=s+vuGxNpARpwL7lz4CEE5jDqASha+0GH9xprVHMfZaU=; b=BxaWCm7aaJie7AoO7V30IFMzwiXpeNh7DqgJfFdvSizzX22JmXvE8mq8wdP1nOXAmb HYTHBnajRl4acKhHXGAI78Ms0jpL+vn3zFMBHIxj46Emc9EHGljPMzahAfF5RLxYAYca 34r/p34cUyXcSDZP1BBVUqAIM6jEM1EPZhLjA7tG1ilQtnTOX3z2KFqb8Vz9dybommNW 7VIyb8BZHUTvBAgPPgIK0dM8ebevGDuGV7rfToxXbAQS+lNb1ivgK+QbAePlTExNrpaw zq9GmdKHQSasi5xZNnOgIWaHlLR9HXu54PLKCm2LzotrNtVJ7YAYV9jbTed1NvLiuAYM /0pg== y17mr51941381wju.31.1366879806296; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ge7sm36255704wic.0.2013.04.25.01.50.05 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , "MG list" References: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:38:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm wondering whether you mean the ignition relay doesn't click when you turn on the ignition. The starter relay doesn't click until you turn the key to crank, and is drowned out by the solenoid clicking if not the engine cranking. I presume the engine is cranking? Originally the coil was powered from the ignition relay, and if that isn't operating then you would have no spark, but you would have no power on the second fuse up neither would you have battery voltage on the coil +ve. You say your car has a dizzie, but they all do. I'm assuming you mean it has a replacement points dizzie of some type. If so, then it all depends on whether the coil and coil wiring was changed when that was fitted. Originally your car would have had a length of resistance wire (the ballast resistance) in the harness in series with the coil. With the points closed, and ignition on, if that circuit is good you should have 6v or less at the coil +ve, not battery voltage. Battery voltage there implies there is no continuity through the coil, the points, and the distributor earth wire, or maybe no ballast resistance. Late MGBs with the 45DM4 distributor may well have had a 32C5 coil, which may have measured as low as 0.8 ohms on the primary. Using one of these with points ignition, or some other non-standard ignition system, could well result in significant overheating and damage to the coil. A 0.1 ohm coil, if that is what you are saying you have, has either gone short-circuit or is completely the wrong coil and is one intended for modern electronic systems that use a very short pulse of high voltage. However you need to remove the wiring from the coil before you can measure its primary resistance as there are other components on the wiring that goes to it that will affect the reading. You are going to have to go back to first principles and determine whether you have the ballast resistance in circuit or not, which will determine which type of coil you should have. If your coil doesn't measure up to that it has probably failed and will need replacing with the correct one. Then you will need to check the circuit through the points and the distributor earth wire, as excessive current that is enough to damage the coil will likely damage these as well. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Any suggestions of observations from the above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 08:28:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522DE40552 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:28:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B26F4054E for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x11so1847565pdj.10 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=hCH4+o8SI3usA3wKPrRC9YDQ+kQ7uq2in89+wh78STk=; b=aC6AMp0QNxEiAuUqB16+Qrio5WH6p74kyE+z/heWZyUT3TllfGndRn83PQYh5cO6Jj X3tnCsLWDrXXtWDMuVoRputTEWUteMkIXElHcKR1sEyEC3DuUQh73u1NeyLpYR1Sz2EY uZj82j1fcn6MKvmlG+YM2KtwmoJvH0eKQTIXW0GHZJ/CL0rBZUJKC5L6cKcah8gRhMWQ xIYAUex6EW8921l/guxqb3gP6FevbvADkM1QJjlZwOk8HVrT2pKs1IxZDG+b7z7MsMn1 Nq8LVXv4aEtnxs94i2vUwWuyjUPzf+TrQFgV+NXeCjH5eShjF4bTVXZ3YhYyPD6d+OZ2 tEhQ== yb3mr53192022pbb.212.1366899915862; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <9FBBF5248DBA417C9EE1DDF62AB1D8BC@paul> From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:24:55 -0500 To: PaulHunt73 Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, You've probably "hit it on the head". Yes, I do have a points dizzy (from a 74B) that I've used for about ten years now when I converted to HIFs. I never changed the wiring at all when I did the conversion and kept the original coil. There is a "drive resistor" (Moss #131-560, pp. 86) still wired in. When I replaced the original 79 coil back in 2004,* I used a 79B replacement at the local parts store*. Therefore, I would assume that the coil is shot and that's the cause of my problems. I should now replace it with one from a 74B, correct? When I install the new coil (Moss#143200) do I just disconnect the drive resistor? Will anything in the ignition have to be adjusted with the new coil? I guess having the wrong coil does not affect (effect?) the performance of the car since it runs real well (when it runs:)?. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:38 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > I'm wondering whether you mean the ignition relay doesn't click when you > turn on the ignition. The starter relay doesn't click until you turn the > key to crank, and is drowned out by the solenoid clicking if not the engine > cranking. I presume the engine is cranking? Originally the coil was > powered from the ignition relay, and if that isn't operating then you would > have no spark, but you would have no power on the second fuse up neither > would you have battery voltage on the coil +ve. > > You say your car has a dizzie, but they all do. I'm assuming you mean it > has a replacement points dizzie of some type. If so, then it all depends > on whether the coil and coil wiring was changed when that was fitted. > Originally your car would have had a length of resistance wire (the ballast > resistance) in the harness in series with the coil. With the points > closed, and ignition on, if that circuit is good you should have 6v or less > at the coil +ve, not battery voltage. Battery voltage there implies there > is no continuity through the coil, the points, and the distributor earth > wire, or maybe no ballast resistance. > > Late MGBs with the 45DM4 distributor may well have had a 32C5 coil, which > may have measured as low as 0.8 ohms on the primary. Using one of these > with points ignition, or some other non-standard ignition system, could > well result in significant overheating and damage to the coil. A 0.1 ohm > coil, if that is what you are saying you have, has either gone > short-circuit or is completely the wrong coil and is one intended for > modern electronic systems that use a very short pulse of high voltage. > However you need to remove the wiring from the coil before you can measure > its primary resistance as there are other components on the wiring that > goes to it that will affect the reading. > > You are going to have to go back to first principles and determine whether > you have the ballast resistance in circuit or not, which will determine > which type of coil you should have. If your coil doesn't measure up to > that it has probably failed and will need replacing with the correct one. > Then you will need to check the circuit through the points and the > distributor earth wire, as excessive current that is enough to damage the > coil will likely damage these as well. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Any suggestions of observations from the above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 08:31:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B3440E50 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com (mail-pb0-f49.google.com [209.85.160.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46B440551 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id rp2so800650pbb.8 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:30:08 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5Q57NAoGtoK1y7IYTmnfCEVwkUU4masDNt0G2LGO7Vo=; b=Ip+7rx4OU1D18EEM+Y9cFPYiM2PIGNxmCzm2WXEhFMcfqYCfGFW3UF1EveQgCFRWof rUaS69XEh+iGX8zgLi+YlGsjjYURPkhVMU67DghSCc50dPG6gtwWU1Xx/vMCfCQo/rv0 tcrvGF+w3SDw3xjJR8USiR55HLiVkE6LuPE1Odsw1XbZmOsLSL+TCy+ZmiT5us2x92WX 41+basnvmEyzz2kFAdPX0V6mXf/Cwv61ZOFmyKZ4P/SFjW3JyxINIwgqIXI2Fl+I+TCq CRrKPX72A3Kf+53ppRf5h9br/7ikta+FKQ1WjQ7p8M9tjq+kvZJl9TgWUSYSvx6h/QXq qumg== qo8mr25424363pab.172.1366900208244; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:29:38 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] 74B bumpers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net When I was out looking at the parts car, I noted that the chrome bumpers with rubber overriders are in fairly good shape and that they are unavailable in Moss. Anyone interested? Monte _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 09:33:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771FA40E6C for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A6E40552 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kl13so1931606pab.1 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:32:13 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=B7CAJDvAKk6HMoH+u8e1p0Umtb+X+5WIEElpfeF7E2Q=; b=OsZpBAdDk3CtzZAjsA77Qg7T/AUa2DEfE8l4R9Yeey0sd+PXNNl/AjN3/0e0opOsgv omm6QRFYOYBFRCKHCSchXcECRNX8qnl2YRGe3H0wLaANc7hnzFeQZY3S0eQaEfG5HTSe cwVy0ypifyFo5z24B3iaOgFSWF+6xw8DFPMZ6ncVn247O7nBYrYNL/eLVKbF85Ks+qm9 Zhfmg2M/LgbF6GEYjaxbKcP4YbQWGtNIUYMmxpqOEnoejAYEtm6gPzX2w2Rp3ZwCOiO2 va/sEMQ+F/3MT6EgSFJOu+2tIdLzVkrUGqhp1ysX+7Zf/2UYi0yJS+mJZQgw5Wt3gdEN BJ5A== bd7mr41391833pad.194.1366903933806; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.223.201 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <9FBBF5248DBA417C9EE1DDF62AB1D8BC@paul> From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:31:53 -0500 To: PaulHunt73 Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net BTW, This 79B has a 45D distributor with points and condenser. I'm now confused as to which coil to order. I think my last post was wrong. Since I have not changed the wiring and the "drive resistor" is still connected, I should order Moss coil #143-230 (for a ballasted system) and leave the resistor and other wiring intact, correct? Whew, back 12 years ago when I bought a 74 parts car, trashed the ZS carb on the 79 and converted to HIF's, trashed the Opus electronic ignition and switched to a points dizzy, used parts from the 74, bought other parts new and used.... I can't remember what parts came from where, so the ignition system as well as the fuel and exhaust system are HYBRIDS!! Several times I've mistakenly ordered parts for a 79 when I should have ordered parts for a 74:). I suppose many MGs on the road are now hybrids. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: > Paul, > You've probably "hit it on the head". > Yes, I do have a points dizzy (from a 74B) that I've used for about ten > years now when I converted to HIFs. I never changed the wiring at all when > I did the conversion and kept the original coil. There is a "drive > resistor" (Moss #131-560, pp. 86) still wired in. > When I replaced the original 79 coil back in 2004,* I used a 79B > replacement at the local parts store*. > Therefore, I would assume that the coil is shot and that's the cause of my > problems. I should now replace it with one from a 74B, correct? When I > install the new coil (Moss#143200) do I just disconnect the drive resistor? > Will anything in the ignition have to be adjusted with the new coil? > I guess having the wrong coil does not affect (effect?) the performance of > the car since it runs real well (when it runs:)?. > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:38 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > >> I'm wondering whether you mean the ignition relay doesn't click when you >> turn on the ignition. The starter relay doesn't click until you turn the >> key to crank, and is drowned out by the solenoid clicking if not the engine >> cranking. I presume the engine is cranking? Originally the coil was >> powered from the ignition relay, and if that isn't operating then you would >> have no spark, but you would have no power on the second fuse up neither >> would you have battery voltage on the coil +ve. >> >> You say your car has a dizzie, but they all do. I'm assuming you mean it >> has a replacement points dizzie of some type. If so, then it all depends >> on whether the coil and coil wiring was changed when that was fitted. >> Originally your car would have had a length of resistance wire (the ballast >> resistance) in the harness in series with the coil. With the points >> closed, and ignition on, if that circuit is good you should have 6v or less >> at the coil +ve, not battery voltage. Battery voltage there implies there >> is no continuity through the coil, the points, and the distributor earth >> wire, or maybe no ballast resistance. >> >> Late MGBs with the 45DM4 distributor may well have had a 32C5 coil, which >> may have measured as low as 0.8 ohms on the primary. Using one of these >> with points ignition, or some other non-standard ignition system, could >> well result in significant overheating and damage to the coil. A 0.1 ohm >> coil, if that is what you are saying you have, has either gone >> short-circuit or is completely the wrong coil and is one intended for >> modern electronic systems that use a very short pulse of high voltage. >> However you need to remove the wiring from the coil before you can measure >> its primary resistance as there are other components on the wiring that >> goes to it that will affect the reading. >> >> You are going to have to go back to first principles and determine >> whether you have the ballast resistance in circuit or not, which will >> determine which type of coil you should have. If your coil doesn't measure >> up to that it has probably failed and will need replacing with the correct >> one. Then you will need to check the circuit through the points and the >> distributor earth wire, as excessive current that is enough to damage the >> coil will likely damage these as well. >> >> PaulH. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> Any suggestions of observations from the above? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 09:48:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9734942580 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2642B40552 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hm14so5659284wib.5 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=lPwtCk+SprZEAOREQOTGDmUQwoQ7ot4WDE8obXjWD9U=; b=aiH8cdQEvP3DWJpMjaO2ZN/fAojXBC+TLvb0mREN0m66sFqY3Gos52fqzkPidFA1rq EKzZLLSf8PLz1BGRg3Y1ShKSiGpExA3aTSZx3roKKWRLMsbil7quED84IePe0RBjXAvI My1jzgTRmQNMx6jkBRAOaxd4Zoy5qrpEVXkmc6zacc3uxIV/Hj5TMmyjK3KlyPcagjwi 8v5vCnuWWX3fjo2BvxjPSV1yp8tMNTVdwiF75KdshI4yCXu1iKCMR5Goc9uYNCKkmL0r wOiacYFvyt1bL8a7Xvoyn8hFq/W5Sxs+uTUPEIEERVkSOi9SDwpzvxRACxlLl++txdos t0Kg== lo7mr54718372wjb.48.1366904802389; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fz3sm11806328wib.0.2013.04.25.08.46.41 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" References: <9FBBF5248DBA417C9EE1DDF62AB1D8BC@paul> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:46:35 +0100 Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, the Opus was the earlier 45DE4 with the additional drive resistor, so that explains that particular component. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... trashed the Opus electronic ignition and switched to a points dizzy... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 09:51:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EA6424E4 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53C54056A for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id x12so1532341wgg.4 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=qXSc9qqSVmdSx0Sp8aoUJh5/qVmVmuna0HOt636c5HA=; b=MY6ySbcha88KJ1msAzLgChhBktq/4qOipXmqInA5aQS+6qNMw2Q06A6TyDVwtfCd6K YorEl3hAcy132XLjrlqcXmr48ypQvijsHkZWmV+s04WA2bcfaElHzwurmPmlR3pYlXcu 08LFh0Q7F2J0oSMQCNpzCrNrjbpD/yoSIhaMwusg4pT9RSsbWi7kG0apCGOUYj0XZ/PP XY2rvIM0fHghwXS/3yFLNMxbyBBMwPabZh6l6MgSPZhgjmk+RXyz4QYGIixHeQ254l3W K98xPHnDHjKel0y48YO3D/DDOATTNsLH5ETuxPTHkEUNrk8qfRuTxTfmReomMtMundPY Gz6A== cp7mr12079666wjb.3.1366905015402; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s2sm11783073wib.4.2013.04.25.08.50.14 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" References: <9FBBF5248DBA417C9EE1DDF62AB1D8BC@paul> <8137E91A30C14BB685C493EE04E5341E@paul> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:50:13 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like the harness ballast is still in circuit then, do the resistance checks to confirm, and if so get a rubber bumper ignition coil e.g. Moss 143-230. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- I do have the two white/green wires on the coil positive. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 16:36:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4C7429AB for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2366042873 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:36:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id aq17so6045992iec.37 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:34:54 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date :message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=gNfN02+UVr4mHJRZ6aRTYzWDk3Ypo8UEa4RE9ykhVSo=; b=HS2ygc9GG4kYCxMvOwoXjers7x0AxNsufxJPjXOqYtsN4p7c9EAf+zcaKf5afQ90r3 qSxn1XCBJbD0ELtfTVC69NnWhY/dnqhXizMi3fENA4ZNW1h6F+DFnUSw6k48GlqzALP1 6tmcApj47OzKXBPgfmhHiN2JhEKapxxkaGhHOeAc5M3M13U8duehz304k3mtQwl+rkYE QUvyOwTwElRgwETKKmLaOCqGo0raHKYZcs5APk0BRfmS+vPSYjxua/9qaV/mn/hKHORj VNZAnahoCTaTImWhm7dr34Yo//A8txjmD8mXC0KBSj4qr9TBaQK7ghAGnzs0XdpioTqh tlmw== dy1mr4656580igb.109.1367102093996; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (174-20-102-84.mpls.qwest.net. [174.20.102.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wn10sm9962586igb.2.2013.04.27.15.34.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:34:51 -0500 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Coming to life Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The weather finally broke this week. Snow on Tuesday, 73F today. Yesterday, I got my '77B out of storage. It drove the 15 miles home on the freeway wonderfully, with the top down of course. However, it wouldn't start. We tried 2 different batteries, and with a professional charger, with start boost. Nothing. Fortunately, we had a nice little decline for a bump start. I charged my battery over night, and messured it at 13.4. When cranking, it will drop to the high 11 range. What I get is you can here what sounds like the starter turning very slowly. Not the click and nothing you associate with a dead battery. The fuel pump clicks normally. So I'm going to pull the starter, perhaps tonight. But is there anything else I should try first. Can I bench test the starter, or is that better left to the autoparts store. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 02:01:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD3C427EA for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 02:01:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2B40E38 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews07.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.174]) by cpsmtpb-ews03.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:55:26 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.17]) by cpsps-ews07.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:55:26 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:55:26 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Paul Root'" , "'MG List'" References: <6387854F-BC9B-4360-A1AA-936B2E337155@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:55:25 +0200 Thread-Index: AQIid++xNnW6PCef2l13sfqSX1yqfphC20sg Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[BE7DCB90:01CE43E5] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coming to life Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Verify if all high current connections are tight fit. Lose connections often are involved in these kind of Lucas gremlins.... Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Paul Root Verzonden: zondag 28 april 2013 0:35 Aan: MG List Onderwerp: [Mgs] Coming to life The weather finally broke this week. Snow on Tuesday, 73F today. Yesterday, I got my '77B out of storage. It drove the 15 miles home on the freeway wonderfully, with the top down of course. However, it wouldn't start. We tried 2 different batteries, and with a professional charger, with start boost. Nothing. Fortunately, we had a nice little decline for a bump start. I charged my battery over night, and messured it at 13.4. When cranking, it will drop to the high 11 range. What I get is you can here what sounds like the starter turning very slowly. Not the click and nothing you associate with a dead battery. The fuel pump clicks normally. So I'm going to pull the starter, perhaps tonight. But is there anything else I should try first. Can I bench test the starter, or is that better left to the autoparts store. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 02:25:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A89740416 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com (mail-we0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A68403F8 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:17:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id x43so5031576wey.25 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:15:47 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=dPIS3WuJ4kZ20oKKcA7MB4zcPcGsGv2OWseDbihWCfk=; b=McLCeBggeExjgcD0+7ORnoDa39m3te2Id1gnENCGcyOvPgSgnf0hSsxtrpq1iL8Iuu oUoorwtFw0QBNy03P+1quvZC5VuKRpFDv0rwSesQDP0PGsq+mgVHlIUCbCy61ury2Wmd BvGNBcRpWth7fCSrrEIT5sBcssTR+9HqEro6uetPSu8ggAz4X7ZeY15jcPWPrm1zmD0y QmY5SkQ6YhaFKlIN6qJwUZ5aoWCdzJ1S7AR9BRb4v0vsVGcFtXowew0XOm3C3a9tkrPK QZSss5ZTZVQj9a1PXa/3scdlX6rha1QvQqSYJ7CI5k5dx4Qggr75kvR23XoPl4yVGIC3 cTjA== o12mr1221828wiw.0.1367223347400; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s1sm1522604wiz.2.2013.04.29.01.15.46 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Paul Root" , "MG List" References: <6387854F-BC9B-4360-A1AA-936B2E337155@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:50:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coming to life Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Only dropping to 11v, plus slow cranking, is an indication of bad connections somewhere in the cranking circuit as Hans says. Ordinarily you can expect a drop to about 10v with a good cranking speed. Where did you measure the 11v? The fault will further on towards the starter from that, so you can use the meter at the batteries, solenoid etc. to narrow it down. Also measure between the engine and a body earth, which should show zero (or very low) volts while cranking. Voltage in that test indicates the engine/gearbox earth is bad. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I charged my battery over night, and messured it at 13.4. When cranking, > it > will drop to the high 11 range. What I get is you can here what sounds > like > the starter turning very slowly. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 03:57:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306B04041B for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF05240412 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2013 18:34:35 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.119] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2013 18:34:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2013 18:34:35 -0000 9U63pxvWR5NjonnBDpIFFFn0P_S7qGHFf8hGd_Nz.ndQQuqL43YfQHlq6uWx gMoxzUBqgJ3oXVq1jiVgnL4v2WkLlaql4_KDRv6itUiev8w10RI_ZbvXq5gr g2BejM9dWZj7naRem2sYCqLGjmaTeY0JvmT8rxOqhKKCIbYDqNME_YN2g0Xc OHCcO3N0_9mp.oklbYVgPUUDFuMNOr8MfgPj36cETCdqHDgNO1aGDAiaxMAu Q0jsvogbYjGi9ePr6HzopPba0zSfrB5mUcA2atHETx.8r09EFcpZK2I79zoW aGXRJ5UbVRVHJXTDOdbZf3wHRZYWO2rLPlV4O8Lzb8yxqrx0vDU0wvKF6YDl Bt.N34PUfJZwYlyvF0r3WCm5o.0c0HLbd1eSXfg9qQU6mm6g.33XZDQi81Bl 9wJWLVbGjI192nia1xWwSZp4ki_jidA-- smtp114.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2013 11:34:34 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:34:31 -0500 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 71, Issue 26 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hans has it right, clean all the cables before you bother to take the starter off-- don't forget the ground at the frame and the engine ground.... > > > 1. Coming to life (Paul Root) > 2. Re: Coming to life (Hans Duinhoven) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:34:51 -0500 > From: Paul Root > To: MG List > Subject: [Mgs] Coming to life > Message-ID: <6387854F-BC9B-4360-A1AA-936B2E337155@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The weather finally broke this week. Snow on Tuesday, 73F today. > > Yesterday, I got my '77B out of storage. It drove the 15 miles home on the > freeway wonderfully, with the top down of course. > > However, it wouldn't start. We tried 2 different batteries, and with a > professional charger, with start boost. Nothing. Fortunately, we had a nice > little decline for a bump start. > > I charged my battery over night, and messured it at 13.4. When cranking, it > will drop to the high 11 range. What I get is you can here what sounds like > the starter turning very slowly. Not the click and nothing you associate with > a dead battery. The fuel pump clicks normally. > > So I'm going to pull the starter, perhaps tonight. But is there anything else > I should try first. Can I bench test the starter, or is that better left to > the autoparts store. > > > > Verify if all high current connections are tight fit. > Lose connections often are involved in these kind of Lucas gremlins.... > > Cheers, > Hans > > > However, it wouldn't start. We tried 2 different batteries, and with a > professional charger, with start boost. Nothing. Fortunately, we had a nice > little decline for a bump start. > > I charged my battery over night, and messured it at 13.4. When cranking, it > will drop to the high 11 range. What I get is you can here what sounds like > the starter turning very slowly. Not the click and nothing you associate > with a dead battery. The fuel pump clicks normally. > > So I'm going to pull the starter, perhaps tonight. But is there anything > else I should try first. Can I bench test the starter, or is that better > left to the autoparts store. > _______________________________________________ > ************* _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 06:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44D44042A for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E0940430 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 9so6922967iec.8 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=9Sgs6eKq/tebNvcvbLgmblGysuyVCIOP7tY1oqsOBoM=; b=gdM44wxoCaxygKrtykw/EGPFgzukvVAvjWuLqApfDc6vSBNXcY+Rs2Mj1MoDlJROhi VqS9WM31fdMdXRXqw3mtNChh4CHxCTSPEVEXkUEV1G2XTBhuCMUisL1Awuf6qGfFuhR7 /4yq5AmDy3zJ/rfBCIl3XrIsSfdK6ZjtdIsCTglaR9RL0liWfrcdctuOti+z6vx/6y25 rwfCC2n0Fr+X2yWATT5XMIibkw7Slc+t93SxGjo/rx99qBVNiCOcUdRq6InOWdBSPUz9 IbG8dXahcse9r7UicJJ7/EyGf+cU99x1d1NqCdyGD6XkBKreadjS1DxdEhc23hnaaWwd VSyQ== h5mr7014493igt.63.1367236713061; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (174-20-102-84.mpls.qwest.net. [174.20.102.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xf4sm16992260igb.8.2013.04.29.04.58.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:58:29 -0500 References: <6387854F-BC9B-4360-A1AA-936B2E337155@gmail.com> To: "PaulHunt73" Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Coming to life Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the thoughts. Everything is pointing toward the ground. I didn't have anytime this past weekend unfortunately. And by the looks of it, I don't have time during the week. On Apr 29, 2013, at 2:50 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Only dropping to 11v, plus slow cranking, is an indication of bad connections somewhere in the cranking circuit as Hans says. Ordinarily you can expect a drop to about 10v with a good cranking speed. > > Where did you measure the 11v? The fault will further on towards the starter from that, so you can use the meter at the batteries, solenoid etc. to narrow it down. Also measure between the engine and a body earth, which should show zero (or very low) volts while cranking. Voltage in that test indicates the engine/gearbox earth is bad. > > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I charged my battery over night, and messured it at 13.4. When cranking, it >> will drop to the high 11 range. What I get is you can here what sounds like >> the starter turning very slowly. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 14:05:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98034056D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.253]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 749824056D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2013 19:57:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.236] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2013 19:57:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2013 19:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 3604 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2013 19:57:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367351827; bh=MElqNe3smp4uLy2i1O8WnozMxy7+UBwJwvo0mKvVhNI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JZIDO3avhfX2HqizRGjpuEq0LJdLudL0zRwpUHXs6wZa4K73aq8N2vgib0NwqisWYm80tTQMQcrOyPUynoDgpSHaJt2WA+/1F3L8rRecMx8ZbXa1TFS4pZ6z5Q3U704mSNL4k2gBKXZ+cp42kZquyHKxS/v5TqVjBWm/CbX6zCQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a4qSUtGNfxg07/IRQ5Vri9g2S3rLBWDPR/MYqz1zR1ZaSSYPlBLk6copifIO2x8ZV1RXZ6Hd+M4rvrv1RieA5XGyPzRas8XeY3mRHAAIWfvQ7zqiwycaA983EiNpOKGQHCZ+zas2DMubzquAnFbFc4DMMULjP/4o28piGVgY7j8=; p385S_d.DIBikZQK29I.2w7Gf.JVLL3ZN7DFz6scmJLas8oSqYQdTo65ZB2M wyvcl4q9FHH2.raTPREd6LDPptZxVYYED_MS.tcAIBl201pZU8jAxKxPqusn NGA6092f9jYTMFiGzkt4JarU2T1T_1nddWddjggzGOY_lVVlxAgTmvHGnvDu irJ5lYk_3hjOISG38wzW.6cDujYw2L5pq9yhfWLfqYyqaM7s8IBnaHOJhLeB XT2wMLHZLvVoSfxMdxd1TY0uboLksEtlS2GErkRzRxYsJS2BbpyH6phKa6.7 SwuRExMhZWHnwj.kmcjGWFlt2_c0ouQBEF1dl2HPsj..NwZXO.xIw6Y8YIcI 3VZdtxds7XQ9z3Q.G57XzzGhFy9PMxTvZ1dHG4KQesgxABeFr5lSUBZ0f9IH 4Am.D6QUmya86RDcwI7s85MMpiLy4ZxibiVNoNVfPl2OqFwoPHABctoXAaTk hMxMOPPn3UefKDKkibxkRej4.JPjklZtm1jFD8honXRT3XCwYPg35hYnZE6l hgmQbxBLDiYqjZPXFC5ExL48X6qAMsn3r19mpQ1kg6uM- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:57:07 PDT T3IgaW52ZXN0aW5nIGluIGEgYmlnIG9sJyB2YXQgYW5kIGEgY291cGxlIGdhbGxvbnMgb2Ygc3RyaXBwZXIuLi4uLiA7LSkKCkRhbiBECkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IFJ1aSBHaWdhbnRlIDxydWkuZ2lnYW50ZUBnbWFpbC5jb20.IApTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBBcHJpbCAzMCwgMjABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Or investing in a big ol' vat and a couple gallons of stripper..... ;-) Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui Gigante Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:42 PM Subject: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Hi Friends, After hauling all the big metal bits to the storage unit, I spent a couple of hours this afternoon stripping paint off of the spare tire carrier. What a P.I.T.A.! Still, its coming up nicely and will look good. I keep telling myself that. Here's a couple of pictures of the carrier in two stages of paint stripping. The first picture was taken about an hour before the second one. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_131837.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_142757.jpg I guess, with 20/20 hindsight, I should have researched a shop that does sand/media blasting but as I am cheap... -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 19:59:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5705840E41 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1864055D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.225.111.205] (helo=wm.wi.net) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UXMDn-0001Ph-7v for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0500 Received: from 184.243.177.109 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0500 (CDT) References: <1367351827.3337.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:39 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Could be worse Rick! 5 of us restored the EAA's B-25 back in the 80's. It had been in "Catch 22" and had 7 coats of paint and rubberized backing insulation on the interior. Got it done with 350 gal. of methylene chloride and 6 months of Wednesday evenings and full Saturdays. It's a messy job but somebody's got to do it....all part of the fun. Car is going to be great! Dave W. > Or investing in a big ol' vat and a couple gallons of stripper..... ;-) > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Lindsay > > To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui > Gigante > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:42 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. > > > Hi Friends, > > After hauling all the > big metal bits to the storage unit, I spent a > couple of hours this afternoon > stripping paint off of the spare tire > carrier. What a P.I.T.A.! Still, its > coming up nicely and will look > good. I keep telling myself that. > > Here's a > couple of pictures of the carrier in two stages of paint > stripping. The first > picture was taken about an hour before the > second one. > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_131837.jpg > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_142757.jpg > > I guess, with 20/20 hindsight, > I should have researched a shop that > does sand/media blasting but as I am > cheap... > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual > donation $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net