From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 12:21:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A00A42A51 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:21:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FAF4297A for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 11:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aragorn ([205.197.253.3]) by m1plsmtpa01-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id WhvY1l00G05A0oD01hvh1V; Wed, 01 May 2013 10:55:42 -0700 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: References: <1367351827.3337.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <58953.184.243.177.109.1367373159.squirrel@wm.wi.net> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:55:26 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5GD09Y3BZ/d0KsToqK+zAbgnUpogAhVoGA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What do you guys do with the left over stripper? Does it dry? I know that it is not capable of being neutralized. Crk This Week's 'Non Compos Mentis' Award: "Being in Watertown right now, the streets are empty. It's erie. It's as though a bomb had dropped somewhere." --CNN's star reporter Susan Candiotti on the scene during the man-hunt for the Boston bomber another mind like a steel trap -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dwoerpel@wi.net Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:53 PM Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Could be worse Rick! 5 of us restored the EAA's B-25 back in the 80's. It had been in "Catch 22" and had 7 coats of paint and rubberized backing insulation on the interior. Got it done with 350 gal. of methylene chloride and 6 months of Wednesday evenings and full Saturdays. It's a messy job but somebody's got to do it....all part of the fun. Car is going to be great! Dave W. > Or investing in a big ol' vat and a couple gallons of stripper..... ;-) > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Lindsay > > To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui > Gigante > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:42 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. > > > Hi Friends, > > After hauling all the > big metal bits to the storage unit, I spent a couple of hours this afternoon > stripping paint off of the spare tire > carrier. What a P.I.T.A.! Still, its coming up nicely and will look > good. I keep telling myself that. > > Here's a > couple of pictures of the carrier in two stages of paint > stripping. The first > picture was taken about an hour before the > second one. > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_131837.jpg > http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130430_142757.jpg > > I guess, with 20/20 hindsight, > I should have researched a shop that > does sand/media blasting but as I am > cheap... > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/crk@godblessthe.us _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 13:09:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E6942ACA for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A5642A93 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 12:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hv10so1501038vcb.1 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xkjC8GLhsqAlsQE8cV48R+YPgTkmh2y3M7iVaB5dbo0=; b=kMbmWlpNChUdwAcJyBDG+yA1hMur4YWUFjr1ztt/xosBGCa3+q8P0sakOZOdRqCd68 8IqhGMT5a5M6SsZUrE5roC5WPlGu2OHuczWNasRJFWKbfjgOu319tbUTOgYT4G+5PJrC F4xnUxHJ0FZEIcYNf6NRZKNM6Zqm/jnrBiHLCA/KZCe2zQNLfm62of71wI5RxBk84d/W iRjKju/GAPJod4lYUn6ziSeBLXlFTB2qUT8nuSbCmTxRVFQGuh+CY1EdCIEnCaKbteAJ LSJndjKdvA9TrSYiYkgvBajg7e+4Zv/ylQKxU60mFswUBAEYx2uCEaVHLvuft/Vev0cP RElg== k5mr1185496vcf.40.1367434250338; Wed, 01 May 2013 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <1367351827.3337.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <58953.184.243.177.109.1367373159.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <00cf01ce4695$10931870$31b94950$@us> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 13:50:50 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: crk@godblessthe.us Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, after about 5 minutes, I scrape the part with a putty knife, wiping the goo onto a paper towel. I then usually wipe the piece with a town moistened in lacquer thinner, leaving anything on the surface of the metal to evaporate. I then sand the part with sandpaper and or the wire wheel in a drill. I then spray the part with Restomotive's Metal Ready. Once dry, the part can then be primered (I use an etch or rust neutralizing primer), followed by body filler to even out any rust dimples and to smooth the surface. When I first read your note I thought you meant; What do you do with the stripped off paint and stripper? I keep a roll of paper towels handy and wipe the scraped-off goo from my putty knife on the paper. That then goes into the trash. Did I answer your question, or just write some words? -rick On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > What do you guys do with the left over stripper? Does it dry? I know that it > is not capable of being neutralized. > > Crk _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 14:11:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC7442AC7 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 14:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10BE4247A for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2013 19:46:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.199] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2013 19:46:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2013 19:46:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70282 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2013 19:46:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367437562; bh=8dbw60pCBxFqfbhClBzJuuyvkeId9tuuqJTeillfm5A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m3GhK/ktIr//WPRD31gLXXXED+qF3gpemMTt5yKbnzpbUW02mm0/t3s5O801/otxz54qRFHT/qabvxQ2mj++iGlz3uL2BofRfMxvfYbJq19lTnG2UKI4WoE/nT21Qqs0MEBL/yOviDBuLSNpPlmgZ6bsul1MClru89yF3jeNadc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kfE4+t1M5v6Nb2LPVO6usgF/NIrKbNTnwHxGA1byretuWTINNnHRbj1IRJZ2Y+nuAag1qpKmD97kyIqpZcTGWqFy1OsUcLQRvAoFMhycKlGc4rbGwzF/YxiRuV5mOuvUnQa3Dpp49NGy67POdCCTl0EBVPN2HwmO/8ZFCo63ci8=; jqIATMXaXEplFTwJf81_ETIlVupuREY_MwT6monngdQwysPQTjAOzjT7xmAk u1ci.SDwDm4dSaRf2HPzWxI8u73opH_5D2vj21bPoXXOdt2cxAbNE1YeGPjH 1_V9SKupoVJ5aOAwZpJ7H64Jv5HAhJBO2s8i93xQxF29IU.nayMT.F3.st0W yTIJyrre_kZWzBlG.LYYBLwseV2bc1a9Eg2nh4uQtmSkeN4X3UozJCQJPoIx Lcj42QVBiIAnW2JVI3D5JfztRxwJDr.SD9v8KEAKcZJXGWCeiEAWKLxufLt9 guEVZk8u_PAG.cwIBGaUfXdoeTKF33SjIuOYOZ5qpBSihiG13fX8otmzlTon PciNLHa23a9cfqW48qSRI72.23L4wKD7qI99fnq9cGbk6KZp.6.jXnShYWm9 HuH6casOI8H2A9Cx.iwWyit0TqbesB5bD4hctZVZxCm1BEyj1e7t9x7LusOs IPOYJEMxNf7Rz56s- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2013 12:46:02 PDT RG9uJ3QgdW5kZXJzdGFuZCB3aHkgeW91IHdvdWxkbid0IHdhbnQgaGltIGluIHRoZSBnYXJhZ2Ugd2l0aCB5b3Ugd2hpbGUgeW91IGFyZSB3b3JraW5nIHdpdGggdG94aWMgY2hlbWljYWxzLi4uLiEgOy0pCgpEYW4gRAonNzYgQgonNjUgQgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmljaGFyZCBMaW5kc2F5IDxyaWNoYXJkb2xpbmRzYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogbWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0OyBtZy10QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Shortest note ever... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't understand why you wouldn't want him in the garage with you while you are working with toxic chemicals....! ;-) Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: [Mgs] Shortest note ever... No TD work done today. Grandbaby sitting. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 17:52:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87C442AD5 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A757542973 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aragorn ([205.197.253.3]) by m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id WnVc1l00F05A0oD01nVgGu; Wed, 01 May 2013 16:29:40 -0700 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: References: <1367351827.3337.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <58953.184.243.177.109.1367373159.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <00cf01ce4695$10931870$31b94950$@us> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 16:29:29 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5GnM0WbyaHngEoS2SVhDb4AhDQ/gAJkZdg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, it was good prose:>) What I was meaning to get out, was, the can says the chemicals used can not be made unposionous and therefore, care must be used in it's disposal. When you put it on the paint, it loosens the paint and apparently you can wipe it off. But does it stay a poisounous compound requiring special handling at the local garbage dump, or does it evaporate and therefore is no longer a nasty thing? crk -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lindsay [mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:51 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Yes, after about 5 minutes, I scrape the part with a putty knife, wiping the goo onto a paper towel. I then usually wipe the piece with a town moistened in lacquer thinner, leaving anything on the surface of the metal to evaporate. I then sand the part with sandpaper and or the wire wheel in a drill. I then spray the part with Restomotive's Metal Ready. Once dry, the part can then be primered (I use an etch or rust neutralizing primer), followed by body filler to even out any rust dimples and to smooth the surface. When I first read your note I thought you meant; What do you do with the stripped off paint and stripper? I keep a roll of paper towels handy and wipe the scraped-off goo from my putty knife on the paper. That then goes into the trash. Did I answer your question, or just write some words? -rick On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > What do you guys do with the left over stripper? Does it dry? I know > that it is not capable of being neutralized. > > Crk _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 18:49:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4454742946 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 18:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01555427AB for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 18:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 184-197-85-235.pools.spcsdns.net ([184.197.85.235] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1UXhXU-00044K-E6 for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 01 May 2013 19:38:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 19:38:17 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1367351827.3337.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <58953.184.243.177.109.1367373159.squirrel@wm.wi.net> <00cf01ce4695$10931870$31b94950$@us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Shoulda mentioned that. The plane was jacked up with 4 layers of heavy plastic under it. It had a 12" lip around the perimeter to catch the rinsed stripper which was then pumped into drums to be disposed. This was the 80's and precautions were taken even then. Only a small area was stripped at a time. It was rather a mess, however. So, there's my previous occupation..."stripper". DW On 5/1/2013 12:55 PM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > What do you guys do with the left over stripper? Does it dry? I know that it > is not capable of being neutralized. > > Crk > > > This Week's 'Non Compos Mentis' Award: "Being in Watertown right now, the > streets are empty. It's erie. It's as though a bomb had dropped somewhere." > --CNN's star reporter Susan Candiotti on the scene during the man-hunt for > the Boston bomber > another mind like a steel trap > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of dwoerpel@wi.net > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:53 PM > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Stripping paint, uggg. > > Could be worse Rick! 5 of us restored the EAA's B-25 back in the 80's. It > had been in "Catch 22" and had 7 coats of paint and rubberized backing > insulation on the interior. Got it done with > 350 gal. of methylene chloride and 6 months of Wednesday evenings and full > Saturdays. It's a messy job but somebody's got to do it....all part of the > fun. > > Car is going to be great! > > Dave W. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 15:49:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A6242564 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1263F4255E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 15:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 21:39:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.250] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 21:39:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2013 21:39:35 -0000 oSw9a7IEDO3feH4O5qMZVCSLSRs.RQdBc_0oaQsFOscctiLQOVYxwRGXIfAS uqRns0gudS5cQiz__7PpeG9vbgz2Mqt62LIjbGcZ._vqtD3NTDN6J2AagkG. WzeBZn89k9z6jdhdFmHHWj0J9ropA8T9EibGf75OiA8xzrznb5a9.B0NK0W9 e.YjAU3GKyWX4CmVedVQ6wg9L9Gu_bmU16DdfwO9LzSRdUKqBDIeY7wumhk7 VwC8jA85HW9UbNhowaNxqF1V_XkV72m9ocE.iMzp1bG6sXHejjc1V4NRxKH5 qM0GF0w0Mnqv7jaPnoatINW_BgKRLZ4GmspeUxUMP.w8aC.q6QCNjiIOQQJT QrWT9wTp7sDTR8jSsGa6E11nYdgOxIQIKYDgriw0DLS9YlTNHUt7xa1PYnYR 7Xmk7id.IdQ-- smtp120.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 May 2013 21:39:35 +0000 UTC From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 16:39:34 -0500 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You lucky if all comes up after 5 minutes.... On May 2, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Yes, after about 5 minutes, I scrape the part with a putty knife, wiping the > goo onto a paper towel. I then usually wipe the piece with a town moistened > in lacquer thinner, leaving anything on the surface of the metal to > evaporate. I then sand the part with sandpaper and or the wire wheel in a > drill. I then spray the part with Restomotive's Metal Ready. Once dry, the > part can then be primered (I use an etch or rust neutralizing primer), > followed by body filler to even out any rust dimples and to smooth the > surface. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 20:45:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3502442BEB for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 20:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50A042BA5 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 20:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B02284A7 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 22:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:34:44 -0700 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] I'm getting too good at this. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 3 Hours. It only took three hours to replaces those damned seals at the base of the windshield pillars. If you recall a few weeks back, I asked if anybody had a source of seals that would last. Nobody did, unfortunately. Since the last two sets lasted all of a year each and were from Moss (who have no returns or complaints on this item, FWIW), I went with TRF on the hopes that they used a different vendor. They might. They're clearly smaller than the set I removed from the car and have markings that the originals didn't. A year from now, I'll know. But hey, I removed and reinstalled the windshield in 3 hours. Including the time to fish the socket I dropped out from under the radio. Add the bonus that was "found the plug for the courtesy light, so the light turns on when I open the door" and it was almost productive. Still, I could have spent those three hours driving, or mountain biking, or... -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 08:28:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB44E42454 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 08:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1292140EBB for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 08:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20130503142534.RMJI23282.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 15:25:34 +0100 Received: from TomVistaPC ([82.15.7.85]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20130503142534.VYEO27539.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TomVistaPC> for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 15:25:34 +0100 From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: References: <6AE3F102-B903-44D9-9794-CA0FEB86A5BA@ece.rochester.edu><201301300216.r0U2G9Su016315@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 15:25:30 +0100 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=qJSTaHS7k8gA:10 a=1q24T72iGey717_K_oIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=G8CGsqlvXAGRiLc_z7kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=A2CfKYFFfDNv4iAA:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Mgs] MGA front wheel bearing removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, any tips for removing the front bearings on an MGA disk brake please? Normally it would be a matter of drifting the bearing out from the back but with the spacer in the hub between the front and rear bearing I can't get a drift in. Is it a case of drilling the bearing cage and pulling them out with a puller? Many thanks Tom 1960 MGA 1600 under restoration 1965 AH3000 BJ8 1987 Mini Park Lane _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 11:38:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF20440334 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:38:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D3D42839 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 11:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-139-124-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.139.124.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r43HTfPf022734; Fri, 3 May 2013 12:29:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 12:31:38 -0500 To: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" , From: Barney Gaylord References: <6AE3F102-B903-44D9-9794-CA0FEB86A5BA@ece.rochester.edu> <201301300216.r0U2G9Su016315@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <4D95A7E596FA43D3A4EC51E11676E9AC@TomVistaPC> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA front wheel bearing removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Push carefully on the inner race spacer to push the outer bearing out the outboard end of the hub. If you use a hammer, tap gently and go slowly, not to damage the ball race. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 03:25 PM 5/3/2013 +0100, Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd wrote: >.... any tips for removing the front bearings on an MGA disk brake please? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 4 21:57:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB45A403E7 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 21:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7959240419 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 21:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.254.0.208] (unknown [207.173.120.114]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4230628674 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 23:47:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 20:47:43 -0700 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well. This was one way to put a damper on an otherwise nice 100 mile drive to Spokane. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200479511742513&l=67126cb95d I think I'm going to make the oil pressure flexible hose a 2 or 3 year preemptive replacement part. This could have been really really bad. I had no oil on the dipstick when I was able to pull over. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 08:54:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC8540419 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 08:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D648E403E4 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 08:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h11so1989640wiv.2 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:35:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=sZ5E/KHyT4Ol817KGJycYYtwzkXdkx0sbNoOrWhMeTk=; b=CUcZZCW41+gqa7AoSVQKxzhmIIS1zwiFsomkKGsad7fnWPAqt76JdaUUK49tD7ve4j mO1FJF9cIIqHjs0xfUoyzFrgebPRNBCKVagFOC0/f2AWQdn9xphCNnqMw8xbij4Xdqc8 bB3hlVut8TkNJ3EUOaKREaPNLqQI8JXHR2LfrUHd+R3XmY0aJ2Zf8lQU4LqFDSRqZ/2q ijNdn72oh6mBsN3iGL6bI5rvA6mw/IoCFTi6uW1cLOwUQmQuxghnxr2GoosCV47F8XJ7 CvMRp5eNtY9oWmD3oodDgcKwbB34SyKwqdiUw9eBtTjqrEl42xU75R9bOW5CCZvKKrmB v6oQ== r7mr17910348wjw.12.1367764544421; Sun, 05 May 2013 07:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ge7sm8393485wic.0.2013.05.05.07.35.43 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 May 2013 07:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "Mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 15:14:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Is that showing a new braided oil gauge hose? Or is that the failed one? In any event you are likely to get a lot more problems with new rubber than old. Once my first heater valve failed the next one only lasted about five years, same as rear slaves. The bottom hose and the oil gauge hose still on the roadster came with the car 23 years ago! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I think I'm going to make the oil pressure flexible hose a 2 or 3 year > preemptive replacement part. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 09:05:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC77040416 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy13-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy13-pub.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.16.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90B0140401 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23722 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2013 14:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy13.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 5 May 2013 14:59:53 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=I3aabpCFGYgelczn/ehiecAj6lqDmn0woRQUjsAiOQg=; b=Z07u1cMlwKDuJCsXxJeTckmgCCN1uZ/V0CgidFBjLe+Hq72rj+fvEBlluEnx2zHclWFlNJy18PAHHd0GEdjXCCwnhI4ZaEbQIo1L0I2ukQg4XGR4UnFJzMBHIKZwm1Op; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38086 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UZ0Pp-00055e-18 for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 05 May 2013 08:59:53 -0600 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 09:59:51 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/5/2013 9:14 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: The bottom hose and the oil gauge hose still on the roadster came with the car 23 years ago! >> I agree with you on your prose in , Paul. Is it safe to surmise that you have both those items in the boot every time you leave home ? ? ? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 09:07:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644AF40443 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B064040D for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:06:50 -0600 (MDT) a=+v43dJTS8IDShAqzAhMs9Q==:17 a=EHuthMT-yFYA:10 a=LK0TJgUo4UoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CIOea1yDHmsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9shS0Zx9dzESLtriOH0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=+v43dJTS8IDShAqzAhMs9Q==:117 Received: from [67.247.64.169] ([67.247.64.169:56242] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C1/6B-17243-A0576815; Sun, 05 May 2013 15:04:43 +0000 From: Paul Osborne Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 11:04:42 -0400 References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer and OThers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just like all of the new rubber parts , junk. the orig last , the new ones crack or fall apart in a few years. paulo On May 5, 2013, at 10:14 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Is that showing a new braided oil gauge hose? Or is that the failed one? In any event you are likely to get a lot more problems with new rubber than old. Once my first heater valve failed the next one only lasted about five years, same as rear slaves. The bottom hose and the oil gauge hose still on the roadster came with the car 23 years ago! > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I think I'm going to make the oil pressure flexible hose a 2 or 3 year >> preemptive replacement part. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paul@ece.rochester.edu _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 09:35:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EFE4042D for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f174.google.com (mail-we0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5981A40415 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id z2so2384850wey.19 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=T+LEyLiHCrGR7u/UYedAejwvcawxTwmru+vNjRj5qLo=; b=l/Z7+iqCYhZr9xRQBvUcz17LZlaZBhwONeJUjduhJ85EFKj10A75sTCs4ZvAzevw3Q v4EXri54GLT8DO4dQMO8C/VPyDPUGKAYNkmwg/7malVGWkEju5PM7EIgHl6OU5xydUJI Z9iZHVUUaLUCr5FTmUVoXaajFPkXNJj+P8uGUKARPVpVBlW62IGFqzsYFEJcXFZK0PcZ OSvYOYyiFCHqWNzYXI4Esao/i51PBEuIxePNEOUOgVelSUkB+vT5g6+s7ZKZT4fFC7Pq jOBHonE8Gw+JMN7MvO93iVGVudKdiitjr7PiGcaq0I1K6x8Y3ZXbV0fhmzJAx34uBgfG y7ew== r7mr18025242wjw.12.1367767874723; Sun, 05 May 2013 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d8sm9517480wiv.10.2013.05.05.08.31.13 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 May 2013 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" , References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com><77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <518673E7.9070307@justbrits.com> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 16:21:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've been carrying spare hoses since I had one fail (not an MG) well over 30 years ago, ditto fan belt on the same car. Not had to use either ... yet!! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Is it safe to surmise that you have both those items in the boot every > time you leave home ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 09:52:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2D940415 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CD0D40415 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3195 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2013 15:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 May 2013 15:38:58 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Tr2Us3rAx0nalO2fB0Y6Lrk9QExmolwdBQRBPBfBi8o=; b=gWutC20enyiUAZ8fJ3ol3TK0IHV9bERtcgEZwxB+4ObdIVEULrIksphlzGgG97AfIkSFhTisxN2ARzakMn4nkkFctqwmJZSCAAULnbslU8Xq+qTi7UfNzhzZkH+rFWQI; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38299 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UZ11e-0003YP-FM for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 05 May 2013 09:38:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 10:38:57 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer and OThers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/5/2013 10:04 AM, Paul Osborne wrote: .....the new ones crack or fall apart in a few years. >> Whilst true Paul, at least we HAVE them AND "can" plan to re-place/re-build ! ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 10:09:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFD340430 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E45ED40416 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16994 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2013 15:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 5 May 2013 15:52:51 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=NN+WXZMZCRn7D0uJKq2AMpmWGPYocyBu8z/8zwly6UA=; b=Ok2RFCKz4qfTgB9W6fhcCwPCUif8d9Jwrm5QnOnWamYcTnx28AitjPqSwRVGwMQ0AxeY1vgwfzJM2WZY7Sq6qaAQ7HkPJppqPbgUPhFPjmaAvVl3s77ljKbc9NTxF/9f; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38332 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UZ1F5-0000O9-6a for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 05 May 2013 09:52:51 -0600 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 10:52:50 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com><77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <518673E7.9070307@justbrits.com> <422BC9EDCCD34C72AD15F7A670E34890@paul> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/5/2013 10:21 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Not had to use either ... yet!! >> Forget the "yet" Paul, it is hardly NEVER that the spare you carry are needed - it is what you DON'T have that's needed. LOL ! ! ! BTDT ! BTW and I have NOT checked it out : If you take the hose adpator-to-block out, on a 6 cyl. Healey a BOLT may be sub'ed ! ! BTDT also ! ! ! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com PS: For EVERYBODY ! ! Paul, you will notice you ONLY get ONE (1) of this reply ! ! ! It IS BECAUSE I "Edit" the "To:, CCto: &/or BCCto:" box ! ! ! ! EVERYONE SHOULD ! ! ! PPS: And the Footer SHOULD be removed from Replys/Forwards ! ! ! "Someday" MJB might just turn the "bounce switch" back ON and mails WILL get bounced ! Right Mark ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 10:20:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133A14044B for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f174.google.com (mail-ve0-f174.google.com [209.85.128.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA8840416 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 10:03:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f174.google.com with SMTP id pb11so2618622veb.5 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 09:01:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5Ap+TXaysQZ+KIb0K1SriTo8/NNf7IMLKqNhQCz7Xp0=; b=vTkBYeoVWHcbn0/f60NflGQIDBmzyZ0Lb8nxRZteqi6+jH7BtWvlH4uinwGu6F9cRI sqyCiw2UrIv+cOyVE41JcDiNjrk6v3Aw4V5+HjLW8W37z+NYRFqXvcpqs53IiQW5wjOQ LhtrI/DhOg2ducFJN/TPu2O7pfysIDtVznMUW6mYYLFIBaGqnIIfLGWrCELo4zFAH9oj uq+qpdC+4o16+wPZ4wDkmas98Wm048a8N4VbEQOiFMvL4duUZDhf6IvHbfSBffqqRhL9 uAjvGaxcGTIHKg9MA7FYaB8bG9FodB143eZsjXHN3Q5jw1M89BS+7vRrvb5ZOP4RYmV4 ezdA== bq7mr5708027ved.51.1367769707742; Sun, 05 May 2013 09:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.210 with HTTP; Sun, 5 May 2013 09:01:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <51867D11.60906@justbrits.com> Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 11:01:47 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Just Brits Shop Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer and OThers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ed, Paul, et al., Anyone using silicone hoses on M.G.s? The Ferrari community switched over to silicone a number of years back. As for belts; A good Gates belt, not over tightened, and free from oil (Yea, right!) should last a very long time. Then again, 'long time' is relative. Ferrari recommends belt changes - especially the timing belts - every 3-4 years or 30,000 miles. Speaking (writing?) as one who BROKE a cam belt on a Ferrari V8 engine, the costs of Ferrari engine repairs are insane! The fan belt on my TR3 is at least 15 years old. Hoses are new. My M.G.TD will get the generic hoses and belts. They're already in the new parts box waiting. -rick On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:38 AM, " Just Brits " Shop wrote: > > << On 5/5/2013 10:04 AM, Paul Osborne wrote: > > .....the new ones crack or fall apart in a few years. >> > > Whilst true Paul, at least we HAVE them AND "can" plan to > re-place/re-build ! ! ! > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: > www.justbrits.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 12:47:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7643042882 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 12:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AA040547 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 12:23:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-139-85.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.139.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r45ILJFL027772; Sun, 5 May 2013 13:21:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 13:22:46 -0500 To: Aaron Whiteman , From: Barney Gaylord References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In 1986 I installed a Teflon lined oil pressure hose form Moss Motors, life-time guarantee. It is still hanging in there 27 years and 1/4 million miles later (same as the two fuel hoses at the carburetors). Teflon is good stuff in contact with petrochemicals. It predates but survives our switch to 10% ethanol fuel. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.cmo At 08:47 PM 5/4/2013 -0700, Aaron Whiteman wrote: >Well. This was one way to put a damper on an otherwise nice 100 mile >drive to Spokane. > >https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200479511742513&l=67126cb95d > >I think I'm going to make the oil pressure flexible hose a 2 or 3 >year preemptive replacement part. This could have been really really >bad. I had no oil on the dipstick when I was able to pull over. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 14:05:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A9840E4F for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 14:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ea0-f179.google.com (mail-ea0-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93DF40E44 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 13:47:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f179.google.com with SMTP id h14so1405775eaj.10 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=K6TZZB0fVm8TYBmR2kXE7/coNsY9v04KTRXaniNUGxE=; b=azD8M2qaWFR0oBjBg5cajXUjCn8/0GBPl/6HTeIhNzywZfFRb9eNqKky+Xt78MtM7J tdMdcjamsjncLB/ezdsW+i7sHlPXyGpqPPwxoRYEpfZv5k9/p91hyDQTuuaRu1Wxhjoi LmN0CeZ3oXIIjk7d/1LJ83/V0382lh53uwBTXePViVO8cZUFUJZsCcYUOCeu6EasVwL+ GclCOj/vMubAAKu9p3Eb+SklaPXV82oFlXj9glvk4FSFhy+reJ9H5/LR1Kb/p583YG4D qgn7tgO0I5GSeLiAuImITcwkbNAPLqa/GoP4SLBxTTXqk55GDveNMcggLd19V+7zXWLt sBAQ== Sun, 05 May 2013 12:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.37.4 with HTTP; Sun, 5 May 2013 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoffrey Gallaway Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 14:44:40 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Looking for a garage in the St. Louis, MO area Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I have a '69 MG B GT that needs a place to stay for a while until I can gather the funds to finish her restoration. Does anyone have a spare spot in their garage it can use? Bonus points if I can visit her, maybe do a few minor repairs here and there as I get time+money. Please email geoffeg@geoffeg.org directly (off-list). Thanks, Geoff _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 5 19:24:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6596942C1C for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 19:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40764424A6 for ; Sun, 5 May 2013 19:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DE528717; Sun, 5 May 2013 21:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 18:16:22 -0700 References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> To: PaulHunt73 Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 5, 2013, at 7:14 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Is that showing a new braided oil gauge hose? Or is that the failed one? In any event you are likely to get a lot more problems with new rubber than old. Once my first heater valve failed the next one only lasted about five years, same as rear slaves. The bottom hose and the oil gauge hose still on the roadster came with the car 23 years ago! Sorry, was busy with Bloomsday (the reason I went to Spokane), so I couldn't reply earlier. The braided hose was the failed one. It failed right at the end that attaches to the hard line to the gauge, and was spilling/spraying oil out down the line and forward into the engine compartment. All Four spark plug lines were soaked, as was all the wiring for the heater fan, windscreen washer, the oil filter, even the back of the alternator got a little. All and all, I lost 3 quarts of oil and a little bit of trust in the car, which is unfortunate. This hose was less than 13 years old, as I replaced the previous one some time during the time I've owned it. I could look it up, I suspect 2005 or so. Does anybody sell a non-braided hose? Or are there any reasons to not go to the local farm store and have them make me a line that might use materials that hold up to their intended purpose? At the moment, the engine side is capped, so I have no gauge, but also no leaking hose. -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 02:10:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E342442DC0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 02:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FE040418 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 01:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id h11so2408412wiv.4 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 00:55:37 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=k7J/pkBaTlTZa/mQeyvYQ07IMwTIME8WBnhIIb7zH9Q=; b=CnByPfjYYvEXC4rjCjp9zTBISO9Hb89fHxDIrOLxV0XcgIjLT7ZIULbSn4UUt6iF9q JbWIvtu/x1IwF2HqY4hEPjCyr1zxQUBhA8TMPxw2yj23voSBSknTvH3m5bN+DFHEOEKd W3aouDxarYviHiy1Kls5MoJlaGD2Y3F3466azYS4imMtFR/rSVNDDmgrSVHpaiZwAxXb JEUr75OnI8a8issebkQPU7YnkoE19b7W58Ic5g8ciHPt3sI6oOLnLHSM4BILgoTbICr0 J3PvRilAfdUD6NULibrfwdJyxUHeVMV1T0Q07tbo41R+/rd0Ug24elH2Ynw6W9A0MgPb 4ZPQ== hs8mr23866968wjb.8.1367826936983; Mon, 06 May 2013 00:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c5sm11985900wiz.11.2013.05.06.00.55.36 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 May 2013 00:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 08:51:35 +0100 Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net How old was it? It looks new, must have been faulty or very poor manufacture. Where did it come from? ----- Original Message ----- The braided hose was the failed one. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 07:14:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CF34053D for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 07:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919F5403D5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 07:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.35] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ADB2830D; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:06:35 -0400 (EDT) References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 06:06:33 -0700 To: PaulHunt73 Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2013, at 12:51 AM, "PaulHunt73" wrote: > How old was it? It looks new, must have been faulty or very poor manufacture. Where did it come from? It was somewhere between 4 and 13 years old. I may have a receipt in my records, but I haven't started looking yet. I would have gotten it from moss. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 09:53:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5CE40EDC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC860406A9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:52:55 -0600 (MDT) cv=asOxBwkBAZGV0T+WtrXzpfep39GF0kV392HEIHOPyDY= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=61BvFg9Fs-8QSLGNYAwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=d/BdU0twbIXdwKyFs3+k/A==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.187] ([72.172.29.187:51250] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id F5/99-08543-551D7815; Mon, 06 May 2013 11:50:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 10:50:41 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Barney Gaylord References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <201305051821.r45ILJFL027772@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's the hose I used when I built the engine in my B over 5 yrs ago. So far, so good. CR On 5/5/2013 1:22 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > In 1986 I installed a Teflon lined oil pressure hose form Moss Motors, > life-time guarantee. It is still hanging in there 27 years and 1/4 > million miles later (same as the two fuel hoses at the carburetors). > Teflon is good stuff in contact with petrochemicals. It predates but > survives our switch to 10% ethanol fuel. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.cmo _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 10:06:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63617426BB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 10:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0440340552 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 10:06:35 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=tLjxPIAJuNkWko2AdjkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=d/BdU0twbIXdwKyFs3+k/A==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.187] ([72.172.29.187:51326] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 38/3B-05157-984D7815; Mon, 06 May 2013 12:04:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 11:04:22 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Barney Gaylord References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <201305051821.r45ILJFL027772@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's the hose I used when I built the engine in my B over 5 yrs ago. So far, so good. CR EDIT: Checked my records; I built that engine in 1999, so that Teflon lined hose has been on there ~14 yrs. Lord, where did all those years go? On 5/5/2013 1:22 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > In 1986 I installed a Teflon lined oil pressure hose form Moss Motors, > life-time guarantee. It is still hanging in there 27 years and 1/4 > million miles later (same as the two fuel hoses at the carburetors). > Teflon is good stuff in contact with petrochemicals. It predates but > survives our switch to 10% ethanol fuel. > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.cmo _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:02:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF8342564 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:02:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF7140552 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 10:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id q12so3081891vbe.8 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N7JStgC3+6tqGqvMY+0V3FuybS85vy4/N9hpMMq30nw=; b=ixL25nGcw02RVNnei+um7dpsJyz92oOgUx4zG9txAzO8h+3FRw9EbDw/xPC5IPH+AT B3wVsrsdVyIdT4D+6lGPVHlCSG+dNVR6d8Z3E9OS6igFiVkXO82N8AqwMgF2k5rIbwJ7 WLfogKTy2vlY41VmZ80WWUZhizQr9GrIvXeua2ESpYtlr+J/sCcnKtVXaY6nRlueOOQt oO+VxdAmNLWZXwOE4rX3ExT08ZB4pX0ZlIvQziA+YPaSazRsbd4jrkhYaKexofbTxRZk eLREViWVilusXTMFAnRiFI5TnNdgHwBr4j1qrbuuoqt3uY77atJpOHJ/oxHY99XNhFl0 8alQ== fe10mr6984436vcb.26.1367858793648; Mon, 06 May 2013 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.137.225 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 09:46:33 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I landed at Heathrow airport yesterday and drove to my Father's house in the Midlands (a few miles north of Birmingham). On the way, I saw: 1. MGB -- about a '78, I think (G reg). Saw that before I had left Heathrow. 2. Reliant Scimitar (haven't seen one of those for a long time) 3. 2 or 3 pre-war race cars. Didn't get a good look to see what they were but could have been MGs. 4. A 3-wheeler, probably a Morgan. 5. 2 Hillman Imps. Both on the M40 near the Heritage Motor museum. 6. Also, just past the Heritage museum, a Clan Crusader (I think) (was there an Imp meeting at the museum?) 7. Shelby Cobra (probably a replica). 8. Triumph Stag. 9. Healey 30000 10. 2 or 3 VW based Dune/Beach Buggies. All were seen in the space of a few hours. Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 11:20:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DA142813 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373DE42572 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 11:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 17:16:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.231] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 17:16:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 17:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 22304 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2013 17:16:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367860568; bh=XDPiGQa42bin+1VglX31ua0XoWU+fh5TW5If97ZElUs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jSMUSnxGzyxcEEEcRjrOPTwG1WxSK0khB/Ea4Z25xAnhyCQJC6ZzVmZrTyanBKPPbS+575HJl7/3XL05aJOSaLl3x5XVX3OpyXAstan6UMooZWKroLPCCgEZHPW/hWg4YWHR7Z003qxAUePbnTz5n96Bx+Adu/GAl93ugDMSET4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HuqSkl70e0LOIgTK9hWTmaOB/320SoJtPTQVldSMe3MB8U9TQ6I+Nzo3fekfED5ZoDrLCfvVWu68xIYqdM5g7fHm28fu8H9tzg2+x4QBFpItBM7wDprZPYjuvE1C8BDsjAh7FvveEQLp2AcQM7KeN2hPW/iD1CSobc6vtZ5Jb3w=; 5QNw_.QSKShpakcc6c88nRAqzTPce.WH8kXvPYLNpNtP6QFNwS9VPyoTUEkA 40er.zuNZD8D1_B81dQxsBFccrn90PA.Q6JRCHefty7tsMAr4ZJfaw21Chh4 EBvWTMWZKxS3ww8XHuKaESeHjLAFJQLIxj8OmT8YclnUtbIVvMNEQN718Fhw viJ27xesEiz9bH9GODIbnask2rHngrjttTDY5b8PS83zAj1edPNfcJZQJ6cY QkRKj4mYhFlDBEOaDS9g5JhnVcmR6H0dROwYwe1L03odVN4lZiXd1IcdMVuU zyNRRATm4g5zCstmOREY80IaFBGW3Egf5zbBOv973PmPLfGxjjFK3DTeFsYB UrU6L7Gwc0h5LOxp5vWJ7qmeUlm4E6NvItypmpgpKwzyZHoLD5zSq1VGISq6 6DF_.XALY5D2xmkhchVdwtf5W80vtwCg3VBDzIvNVAstcTsb_DOxQBmA203A 5XGz9Thyv0VtmEV.h Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2013 10:16:08 PDT V293ISBJIGRvbid0IHRoaW5rIEkndmUgc2VlbiB0aGF0IHZhcmlldHkgb2YgY2FycyBvbiBBTlkgZGF5IG91dHNpZGUgb2YgYSBzaG93Li4uIEkgZGlkIHNlZSBhIHdoaXRlIFNwaXRmaXJlIGluIE5vcnRoIEFuZG92ZXIsIE1BIG9uClNhdHVyZGF5Li4uLiBIZSBlYXJuZWQgYSB0b290IGZyb20gdGhlIEF1ZGkncyBob3JuLi4uCgoKRGFuIEQKJzc2IEIKJzY1IEIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFNpbW9uIE1hdHRoZXdzIDxzaW1vbi5kLm0BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 10:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Simon Matthews , MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow! I don't think I've seen that variety of cars on ANY day outside of a show... I did see a white Spitfire in North Andover, MA on Saturday.... He earned a toot from the Audi's horn... Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK I landed at Heathrow airport yesterday and drove to my Father's house in the Midlands (a few miles north of Birmingham). On the way, I saw: 1. MGB -- about a '78, I think (G reg). Saw that before I had left Heathrow. 2. Reliant Scimitar (haven't seen one of those for a long time) 3. 2 or 3 pre-war race cars. Didn't get a good look to see what they were but could have been MGs. 4. A 3-wheeler, probably a Morgan. 5. 2 Hillman Imps. Both on the M40 near the Heritage Motor museum. 6. Also, just past the Heritage museum, a Clan Crusader (I think) (was there an Imp meeting at the museum?) 7. Shelby Cobra (probably a replica). 8. Triumph Stag. 9. Healey 30000 10. 2 or 3 VW based Dune/Beach Buggies. All were seen in the space of a few hours. Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 12:39:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424D0403EB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C8E2403BA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:39:00 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1367865402; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=oyqRkk4ZCBl4SpBOfpUYB+dgoCSWkHQ64EYyUpGZN+HLTS3XgADl+XSnO4ntQ+XEI EUdyUM6hi0qEIeCY9tggmG9bGPhyCtH/2AS3hsL8gIKk2+zhdMuTZ7HTR5x00hLWhl qt5o8Xibcr3/aSap6uWRRNbo4IxFgrgW+i6sb8aE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ2R8BTALA8XEJ for (sender ); Mon, 6 May 2013 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:35:52 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:35:52 GMT To: d_dibiase@yahoo.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A good day for sightings. CT MG Club had 21 MGBs and an MGA at our annual Cinco de Mayo celebration, yesterday, (Mexican celebration day, not Hellman's), and the leader took the pack over hill and dale for some 51 miles from the morning rendezvous.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dan DiBiase To: Simon Matthews , MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 10:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Wow! I don't think I've seen that variety of cars on ANY day outside of a show... I did see a white Spitfire in North Andover, MA on Saturday.... He earned a toot from the Audi's horn... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 12:56:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8A040415 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CB4403C5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm34.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 18:53:43 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.198] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 18:53:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2013 18:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27551 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2013 18:53:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367866423; bh=CoRbWvUgAaW9Jj01R7BgqnlX8Z7JaTJVAi8uxJi7ivs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ciUQ3s3Lgg9BV0yvPxIlYRfSU6gF4oV35U14Rs8lYIOEMgS6aelUPLGAfjz0tXAAe2AGXcIn8zXlIv3xGRCq1zaPvzy9zdxjRH4GNGfSuDyB7ja8052AJl4Q3Vv6S/u3wZl84JY3uhbfgvWIb4Ti912csUflTI0UMSAncWxmfEw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UuFJBgV2g1BPYLtOAoc8JoATjKZTW4uZlHjE2R0aZzERa4XIOaw86kIjXhJzhte7s54L9uycI3XHS+wx6XuiBiDnMJO5DA+v8zx0PYBIZNIJLhFUk3eZuavCb+rA3hn2opKrc4Q/W+mt7UYrH7q4Sj4NhR3fY4w4ajQ9c76thus=; VmT_gMc7Ko0qUBVAfPkGKAeJBhfA1ndzwQuB8WpApswDMwX.uuVQMx7_mUIu noHTAQpy._w7M0xqL2lY7i_8arIRepwXxlSdf7UFZuDtzcu4yw1typavSncZ ibGeQXzAj3z3eVvKoYeIcuJTcbIQrxsocHQFsNy0y0KQ7m22jNfCdNKR0ZGW ..sjXLcqmrj48aSzTV0NvN0tvDmKcQCjwMCV5SuQ6zNWUNqeUWy54UrREesc ViVMbXnxTVCBjWZoGocAVhMVsz9tFnBxdS2g31T7TtgwgsMTqc508EWGl98c ei5mbC9bWd8LsxE62idaxncYtASFbKwqxjRJW1GdeoSdflsDmJPUCgsU0gPs _l7C9SsZU6ht9CRmbIf.M2ln46pvsfQ0N1L93gFgFFECqBs.yh6rL0PxYzLc JUuvSNWXw88WPoVjz3c.RMCa7pezcAz23_uLJMM1aRF6Y_g62IzRmYx5Xph1 5CT15Lw-- Received: from [170.35.224.63] by web163906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2013 11:53:43 PDT CgrCoMKgRnJvbTogU2ltb24gTWF0dGhld3MgPHNpbW9uLmQubWF0dGhld3NAZ21haWwuY29tPgoKCj4gSSBsYW5kZWQgYXQgSGVhdGhyb3cgYWlycG9ydCB5ZXN0ZXJkYXkgYW5kIGRyb3ZlIHRvIG15IEZhdGhlcidzIGhvdXNlIGluCj4gdGhlIE1pZGxhbmRzIChhIGZldyBtaWxlcyBub3J0aCBvZiBCaXJtaW5naGFtKS4gT24gdGhlIHdheSwgSSBzYXc6Cj4gMS4gTUdCIC0tIGFib3V0IGEgJzc4LCBJIHRoaW5rIChHIHJlZykuIFNhdyB0aGF0IGJlZm9yZSBJIGhhZCBsZWZ0Cj4gSGVhdGhyb3cuCj4gMi4gUmUBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 11:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Simon Matthews > I landed at Heathrow airport yesterday and drove to my Father's house in > the Midlands (a few miles north of Birmingham). On the way, I saw: > 1. MGB -- about a '78, I think (G reg). Saw that before I had left > Heathrow. > 2. Reliant Scimitar (haven't seen one of those for a long time) > 3. 2 or 3 pre-war race cars. Didn't get a good look to see what they were > but could have been MGs. > 4. A 3-wheeler, probably a Morgan. > 5. 2 Hillman Imps. Both on the M40 near the Heritage Motor museum. > 6. Also, just past the Heritage museum, a Clan Crusader (I think) (was > there an Imp meeting at the museum?) > 7. Shelby Cobra (probably a replica). > 8. Triumph Stag. > 9. Healey 30000 > 10. 2 or 3 VW based Dune/Beach Buggies. > > All were seen in the space of a few hours. Spectacular weather this weekend in the Puget Sound area. Temperature yesterday reached 80, and that's more like July weather for us. I had my MGA out on the road both days but didn't see any other British sports cars. Lots of Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, etc, though. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 04:26:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686BB403E8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 04:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0FC403C8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 04:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q55so298796wes.40 for ; Tue, 07 May 2013 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=ND1onwhjcNNFQxGcLhC7B+WeWkiUG+Nb20CQ95Njxh8=; b=b3nH+Y33Jb8dE7ViLEkElREK3rghYfzUAG5VzA+dp30cj0MQAe3E+XA52WoW13inyZ hD4kWPRrVrzR1QYFfMzy5rUTixSls6o6VJzqbo5+TzQ/ihw9b4Ox3ToFCIt8NHst/jQg N6Gc02NnzUJb+olP314SuVgbJwtoO0Dgy1veit8Vnivpxpwy4n5qPq5968R2QXhXZ/2Z Ic3BVj9l1h/N0IM2nsJ23Zmm2ttxcy/R25jQvwl1yljL70mPLWI/hiAOZHrGJs4RPTX6 ueo1En+grsaThTGvpTKy+CH4FYcQCJRt02vxKUB1dTaPeLDkjuOQDmpTZL+7BflLNnyI VwUw== fe15mr2124110wic.33.1367922240901; Tue, 07 May 2013 03:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v6sm1945755wiy.11.2013.05.07.03.24.00 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 May 2013 03:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Simon Matthews" , "MGS" References: Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:02:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You see more than me then when I'm driving around that area. I used to see a few MGBs and MGFs used as daily drivers, but rarely these days. Sunny Sunday mornings when I could expect to see like-minded people enjoying the highways and byways also seem to be in the past, these days it's just knots of cyclists often being inconsiderate if not offensive. On another tack it's also noticeable how many MGFs/TFs are for sale on the owners mag for less than #3k, one for #500 this month. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I landed at Heathrow airport yesterday and drove to my Father's house in > the Midlands (a few miles north of Birmingham). On the way, I saw: _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 09:03:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A39B403E8 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AAC05403D4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 09:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10539 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2013 15:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 May 2013 15:00:38 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=agsIgqMku8YDlo6ZijPhlcM81eGS7VziiGvTtbLAxis=; b=T7ZYPXOXuW75tFRH1UTGjxKqpyc9fH4NdeDRebYQuA8NiyPZHsrGyzUl1ylyH+qnU/T/CvbiV5tE7LU2St9G4NH3YHhYXDlX/zSbI8V1+p9nCK6ZrmOapzCfKHpRMm2/; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=38719 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UZjNd-0003SQ-T3 for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 May 2013 09:00:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 10:00:36 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <01590E9EC71841FD80A3C18B586D1635@paul> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/7/2013 5:02 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: these days it's just knots of cyclists often being inconsiderate if not offensive. >> The UK is NOT alone in the above, Paul ! ? ! There is one chap (not gent) that stops in my local. One afternoon last late spring he came in an elbowed his way to the bar between a pal of mine and I that were just sitting there having a pint. So over the din I said rather loudly: "Bob, how many pedaller points you get today?" He replied: "None, damnit ! Didn't even see any of the arrogant bastards (L'dOL). You??". Got almost lucky, got 4 points, two down in the grass ! !" ! I went on: "The ass-holes were wheel- to-wheel and in-line in the CENTER of my lane. I recognized one of them by his spandex so I 'started' to pass - got back of my passenger door even with leader's front wheel and gave a good tug to the right to my steering wheel . The one I recognized already had guessed what was up so he yelled to his partner and THEY 'tugged to the right' and headed for the wild grass/weeds. That stuff dislikes pedallers worse than me & Bob so OFF the bikes and go for a skid on their faces/chests ." So Bob says: "Ed, you should get 6 points." I replied: "No, no, Bob. Would have been 6 "IF" they had landed on tarmac and then skidded into the grass/weeds !". Bob replied: "Damn, forgot. I guess 'cause I never been lucky enough to get a two-fer !". So the chap had apparently had enough and said: "You guys are real pricks ! We have legal rights to ride the roadways with cars." Bob nodded to me so I said to him: "yep, you sure do BUT you are required to OBEY The Rules of The Road exactly like motor vehicles." He got a REAL bad look & frown and just put his pint down (with 2/3rds left) and left ! ! ! Bob and I started to LAUGH !s ! ! We were laughing so hard that the bartender came over and asked why. So Bob gave him a short version of above and he started to laugh but not hard enough to forget to buy us a pint ON THE HOUSE ! ! ! The forgoing IS a True story except no biker actually went down nor were any hurt (damnit) ! ! ! Ed PS: Also Paul, ours are extremely ARROGANT ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 10:27:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5BD4043A for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.254]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BA6540418 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 10:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.188] by nm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:24:49 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.219] by tm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:24:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 16:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21812 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2013 16:24:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367943889; bh=PFId3oDeDUomk3dybeZ9jdna0WNFIhSiiUfPVnFO3ok=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cBRoU3reB8B51dt0JGgy75OoM4M9ME+GiiAbLileZmT4sBT9KYuotuwR4gDKbXqldAs6oLCWHPwCw4Z/9KLbwGcjTyRClhLOvDRtVAUOItTrcFK/b7q/EBXkuZT+hKYkq2nLiwr7rTEsDPMVVYvR/8aXTkOjjELT1N28Qgdkfbc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C0KxAGL8jyJZV657H8TS/3vr+sEeSHYhfjvl2E4Gc+MBWYOkF4hGlFvkNiQHaXGRDTTgKhySO/t4jOm5IKJOlAp7XyCVPOYWl8IPR2USukKmS92c702bzkhdpTrOcHPwwslTRyyUnne7mO9l0lsE/KQ8tCYKhXoWVYiQEqD3Pjw=; I48PoOaQwrTIosdi4AQHJTarNNBzxc3aal1cyW.Nx_yj_UiJdgeIXk3r_V5q zhbgX9m0e1zM79WI99EwnrZMcR01Maza06EJu86J1uID2.5mg3BtOWzhkaUq RdWJFloRB.Z1H82HTfIlifv3M81SYYyNyD75t_2lzfKBIhDxzQfExPUaOk6h AIiLUOXmqWI..YrVRXXN35jxZY7inRkEFJjcz1TiYbwT32hjOkVyqEIzcUqz iogtbZjJGuosx1rCo1lDYpbPgpYbyihuPr2dAe29qklSj8yo56E.iyyda2rl WXzuh9_nmLCH91xC643fyxB6ydZrgnGNnVE6tvhRxjPXs3eHudBexQO9halN MaVKsJ4RBhefRLim1_d.UfDB5yuQJ2qNt0jtZNTlCwX4_xeS_J6.Tj3NrGlP ZY77jPC0zmD47RLiz7g5cY0xEYZ94ASC0Lo8NSrogO0ee5AS4qL_nKXKvecP LgnHddyXmRzoh Received: from [170.35.224.64] by web163906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2013 09:24:48 PDT CgoKCsKgRnJvbTogUGF1bEh1bnQ3MyA8cGF1bGh1bnQ3M0B2aXJnaW5tZWRpYS5jb20.Cgo.T24gYW5vdGhlciB0YWNrIGl0J3MgYWxzbyBub3RpY2VhYmxlIGhvdyBtYW55IE1HRnMvVEZzIGFyZSBmb3Igc2FsZSBvbiB0aGUgCj5vd25lcnMgbWFnIGZvciBsZXNzIHRoYW4gIzNrLCBvbmUgZm9yICM1MDAgdGhpcyBtb250aC4KCkhhdmUgdGhleSBoaXQgdGhlIDI1LXllYXIgbWFyayB5ZXQ_wqAgSSB3b25kZXIgd2hhdCBpdCBjb3N0cwp0byBzaGlwIG9uZSB0byB0aGUgVVMuCgEwAQEBAQ-- References: <01590E9EC71841FD80A3C18B586D1635@paul> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: PaulHunt73 , Simon Matthews , MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net From: PaulHunt73 >On another tack it's also noticeable how many MGFs/TFs are for sale on the >owners mag for less than #3k, one for #500 this month. Have they hit the 25-year mark yet? I wonder what it costs to ship one to the US. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 11:02:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3066140453 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD34403F2 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 11:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (72-161-17-123.dyn.centurytel.net [72.161.17.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail961c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r47GxNPT025280 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 16:59:24 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: "'MGS'" References: <01590E9EC71841FD80A3C18B586D1635@paul> <1367943888.21772.YahooMailNeo@web163906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:59:24 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5LP4Zj1pV7BQ5VTBSiB9TBjXFATQABHAlQ a=elPl9hb3jSgA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CW2nmbWyzGGVzsfMZ3BeMw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=HYyYMEk9ytNgLsCz9FwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GBYjNgTzydkA:10 a=clFi86MzDDOm3_AU:21 a=afHnqkyfApPwTTuw:21 a=CW2nmbWyzGGVzsfMZ3BeMw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think the oldest ones are from 1995. David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Breneman Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:25 AM To: PaulHunt73; Simon Matthews; MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK From: PaulHunt73 >On another tack it's also noticeable how many MGFs/TFs are for sale on the >owners mag for less than #3k, one for #500 this month. Have they hit the 25-year mark yet? I wonder what it costs to ship one to the US. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 18:46:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899C4042D for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 18:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from l2mail1.panix.com (l2mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97AF40403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 18:41:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by l2mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD1DAF for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 20:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [98.145.90.68]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2715928F04 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 20:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 17:38:00 -0700 Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 6, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > It was somewhere between 4 and 13 years old. I may have a receipt in my > records, but I haven't started looking yet. I would have gotten it from moss. I didn't find the receipt, but I found a record that indicated the previous hose had failed in May 2002. So the one that just failed was installed at that time. I suppose I can't complain too much about 11 years of service. I had the local guys that the farmers trust for hydraulics make me a new one. They re-used the ends and fitted new hose and clamps, so I'm back to normal now. In had them save the old hose, so I got a chance to look at it. After removing the braided steel cover, as long as the rubber hose are held straight, it looks good (and holds pressure when I stick my finger on one end and blow into the other). But as I change the hose into the curved shape it has when installed, it rapidly shows significant cracking and no longer holds air. The new one is made of much more substantial materials and has no braiding to hide what's going on. Needless to say, I have a new "check" item as part of my maintenance routines. -- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 19:07:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887EE40450 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 19:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C6840403 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 19:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-163-105.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.163.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r48129Wi002700; Tue, 7 May 2013 20:02:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 20:02:09 -0500 To: Aaron Whiteman From: Barney Gaylord References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> Cc: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Only 11 years? Fooey. If MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) of every part on the car was 11 years, you would be fixing something that failed almost daily. I want parts that will last 50 years or more. That is a very critical part with severe consequences when it fails. When the oil is lost the crankshaft bearings may go away before you hear the loud knocking noises, by which time it is too late and very expensive to repair the damaged crankshaft. Go for the Teflon lined hose. $.03, Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 05:38 PM 5/7/2013 -0700, Aaron Whiteman wrote: >On May 6, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > > > It was somewhere between 4 and 13 years old. I may have a receipt in my > > records, but I haven't started looking yet. I would have gotten it from >moss. > >I didn't find the receipt, but I found a record that indicated the previous >hose had failed in May 2002. So the one that just failed was installed at that >time. I suppose I can't complain too much about 11 years of service. > >I had the local guys that the farmers trust for hydraulics make me a new one. >They re-used the ends and fitted new hose and clamps, so I'm back to normal >now. In had them save the old hose, so I got a chance to look at it. After >removing the braided steel cover, as long as the rubber hose are held >straight, it looks good (and holds pressure when I stick my finger on one end >and blow into the other). But as I change the hose into the curved shape it >has when installed, it rapidly shows significant cracking and no longer holds >air. > >The new one is made of much more substantial materials and has no braiding to >hide what's going on. Needless to say, I have a new "check" item as part of my >maintenance routines. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 14:43:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E9340511 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 14:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA004006C for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 14:39:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-171-56.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.171.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r48KbT6m004525; Wed, 8 May 2013 15:37:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 15:37:44 -0500 To: "Hans Duinhoven" From: Barney Gaylord References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> <201305080102.r48129Wi002700@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <001e01ce4c15$1eb22a60$5c167f20$@planet.nl> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Opinions, as a matter of personal preference, are worth $.02 Opinions based on groundless speculation or rumor are worth $.01 Opinions well founded from the School Of Hard Knocks are worth $.03 Barney At 07:54 PM 5/8/2013 +0200, Hans Duinhoven wrote: >Barney, > >You've become quite expensive! >Used to be 2 cents if I remember it well.... >.... >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Barney Gaylord >8 mei 2013 3:02 >.... > >Only 11 years? Fooey. If MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) of every part >on the car was 11 years, you would be fixing something that failed almost >daily. I want parts that will last 50 years or more. >.... >Go for the Teflon lined hose. > >$.03, > >Barney Gaylord >1958 MGA with an attitude >http://MGAguru.com >At 05:38 PM 5/7/2013 -0700, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > >On May 6, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > >.... > >I didn't find the receipt, but I found a record that indicated the > >previous hose had failed in May 2002. So the one that just failed was > >installed at that time. I suppose I can't complain too much about 11 years >of service. > >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 17:45:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB59340446 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 565E54041B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 17:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 37291 invoked from network); 8 May 2013 23:42:39 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 8 May 2013 23:42:39 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: "'Mgs@autox.team.net List'" References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> <201305080102.r48129Wi002700@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 19:42:39 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5LiC4Epn9wOBEkRLKtO6lfaLKZdgAvUA1Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My memory could be failing me but I believe in aircraft similar hoses have a 7 year lifespan - at that point they are supposed to be replaced. However, it is not a requirement. I've had my B since '84, still has the same hoses. Next service I may pull and inspect them. -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barney Gaylord Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:02 PM To: Aaron Whiteman Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Only 11 years? Fooey. If MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) of every part on the car was 11 years, you would be fixing something that failed almost daily. I want parts that will last 50 years or more. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 09:21:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F740557 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73974038C; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ey16so6358664wid.0 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 08:18:51 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UGFA9BmclLJRQi+CYx+9Fe4gA6KHo3SDm1oqK9vjgbI=; b=eunj67jIEPPiott1vsfYh+qPyrt+RbU8zn+57f7mFoNbN9s5XeoJGjP5rL0yy61mWN bqTtC1GEix5floNDNLJvbwfLpZbBGPXJV9+TF/7hmyrYQJPS4OTYAcfDHrxF3VStqhs/ P3CZCjVqoEcbaH0WGOpzr5f2OUItegJYgGRMJ8N56KN4tQwBYoNEVn81MwhI/Igkg9BL 95BGmgn1/tsA6bUC3KjK5S3CXz7KGBsLqFApHrRpqu/WZK8KW/ng6i4c6GoOdg+EzsI1 2c9mTsZHvNlbYtds2+AiEVJyaHiiKFDmjMQlNq04aF6y+EzOdvhrBaQLjbaVR+zrpu9x m13A== gp7mr29697292wib.23.1368112731009; Thu, 09 May 2013 08:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.185.179 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:18:50 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Back of the tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, First of all today, I wish to express my thanks to all the folks who have written to me offering advice and encouragement. Thank you! You are the BEST. I now write to share a few pictures of the refinishing of the rear of the tub. I'm doing as much work as possible with the tub still on the frame, so as to protect fragile metal and preserve alignment. Here's how the back of the tub looked after removing the fuel tank. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130508_141536.jpg Everything is structurally strong, but there is quite a bit of surface rust on the tub near where the top of the tank aligns. Along the right rear, there is also a strip of surface rust, obvious in the picture. Here is the same area with the paint stripped, but before sanding. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130508_150441.jpg Before closing down work yesterday, I sanded and sprayed the bare metal with MetalReady to coat the remaining rust with zinc. First thing this morning, I washed down the metal to remove deposits left behind from the MetalReady, and dried the metal with a heat gun. Later this morning I put a coat of primer on the metal and a thin coat on the wood, just to encourage adhesion of the paint. The rusty bits were primered with rusty metal primer while the bare metal was painted with regular automotive primer. Here's how it looked, right after the primers were applied. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130509_080143.jpg And here's a look at the left rear corner with the primer drying. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130509_080156.jpg I took this picture about an hour later. The regular primer has dried but the anti-rust primer dries much more slowly. You can easily see where the rusty metal primer was applied. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130509_093433.jpg Here's that sale left rear corner with the primers mostly dried. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130509_093444.jpg Here's another picture of the left rear tub, above the rear wing. This is going to paint NICELY. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130509_093451.jpg Moving on, here's how the tank looks, now that it has been washed out with soap and water. That is not the final solution but rather, it is the process to make the tank a 'container', not a 'bomb'! Michael Balahutrak (PopeyMike) shared with me a great technique for restoring the tank. I'll follow his advice and report the progress. Thank you Mike! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130509_093638.jpg Off now to play with the grandson. :-) -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:03:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5E740572 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com (mail-pd0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE3940454 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y14so2114969pdi.34 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 09:00:49 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=RBilsv0tv1+NQFRmrsBunJnb59fxzQYkoRpou/2mkcY=; b=tcR2BBoT3Y88kwmTm4cCtrvUTNe2oiCb7A5YuGoPSVJkSGcDtHK2YAuMOl7mlg4glh 8BDfpuAZFgYsZUOrRcA5kIIAzGu+r0yakx8ed+PHQEvh4UZRifA1bQTaaoD3mia/mn1z AIMomBm1pyZtX5QIoaaoK0YjWSDk+0gyuFvYnxcmcyyg7lFd5IthnLVGGdA8e50wvqts PktRJaO7AUmbTKOYTbRzcXnIN/kzu6SR7Z1Ex0r9THVQQXRsBntWF9UbUujwfl6S3eUW ToMRK15GS+3PyywWSLD5hL2kB1y7ino0evZjtUS8S4lekwJunjKgjH1ODyfeb1rPOsHy 9wmA== tt2mr13501377pac.160.1368115249757; Thu, 09 May 2013 09:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.225 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:00:29 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have an inductive timing light and a dwell meter. I need to determine when my points are open or closed. Can I use one of the above to do this and if so, how? Where exactly do I hook the alligator clips to use each one? Thanks, Monte 79B with points dizzy _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:17:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD634052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0320140453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 80B3A7002AF1C; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dje001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dje001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.87.1]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 47996E000089; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) References: To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net From: Alan Kellogg Received: from 74.74.107.241 by webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com (205.188.178.106) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 09 May 2013 12:14:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368116085; bh=IlyFFsKiEh2WkBRvGudpMhy0awZ0Iq2isbmhM5BWb50=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P+XWSSd5ceP/cbt3iMdoRPO43bTUegg1PTxrTZeYVvLzkWjpWiwWWrOVbtgwdEpCe KB9RtcawYB7AITNZLjz3PeK185z4iZ8bMqFr2sHdQI1QlcIuMVBSJNgX8CjwanqQdm pDNA6pF0JXv8l6Q3eePYL5qx3BTS7gD+ptLfE/7I= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2908518bcb751009 Subject: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I am looking for recommendations for body shop or other to help complete restoration of a TD. Rolling chassis is completed. Body is off in pieces so requires prep and painting, maybe some minor dent repair and re-assembly on frame. Any suggestions appreciated. Alan Kellogg _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:33:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4064054E for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA9040333 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MMJ00AL1HV9GP20@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 12:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 12:30:28 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: Alan Kellogg , mgs@autox.team.net References: <8D01AE7746284C0-D2C-4B117@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Automotive Restorations in Stratford, CT does very nice work. It is a large shop with a lot of skilled people. Brooklands Engineering Works, also in Stratford, is at the opposite end of the spectrum. It is a small shop run by Jim Perman. Jim is meticulous and does very nice work as well. Unfortunately, neither of these like to work for free, so expect to spend some significant money. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 12:14 PM 5/9/2013, Alan Kellogg wrote: >Hello, I am looking for recommendations for body shop or other to help >complete restoration of a TD. Rolling chassis is completed. Body is off in >pieces so requires prep and painting, maybe some minor dent repair and >re-assembly on frame. Any suggestions appreciated. > >Alan Kellogg _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:35:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911D340550 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4509140333 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id g12so3719354oah.12 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=L8qkugUxPztgts1qPT3Mlq5wgMDzMW9Dvl0U5dXLtUc=; b=CV0ron1YzzCi/QNGhXcwbhoyLwpQjfVMp30kGhDpZabsDPgW1oMKZ7sASzU4g1J+wh XnFfZLuHNgGAYo/6pC3uVPWFDaOpvtlHMrXazInraeJihxYM6U1XR2ECViApgcki3gbo jryy0S16NdQc5TCX8q+7g/njM0wBfJZImTbVoKiZ718aJlKo8exVyt9c0cCgJXa84MQV cH1qb9wHclCdV2wfSdOJDXIsXvNW97qTo/flMUzo02hJfIV3VcyqXzQpWCkEWvyxWR/2 fxCiVnEaCgcB4hTLRKY4q7FBJ//b5FaYabs9YGMCmhcWCQRSoZTy1CjnLpppya/pVMMQ jRuQ== rp4mr4917033oeb.38.1368117175184; Thu, 09 May 2013 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.76.42 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:32:55 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Monte Jane Morris Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Is the dwell meter analog or digital? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: > I have an inductive timing light and a dwell meter. I need to determine > when my points are open or closed. Can I use one of the above to do this > and if so, how? > > Where exactly do I hook the alligator clips to use each one? > > > Thanks, > Monte 79B with points dizzy > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:50:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCD44056A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB5F40416 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MMJ00BBZIOG1Q20@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 12:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 12:48:06 -0400 From: Steven Trovato mail.com> To: Monte Jane Morris , MG list References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Check out this video on static timing an MG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpp67aqwM2Y For what you want to do, it might be possible to use a dwell meter, depending on the settings available, but a simple test light is easier. Light on = points closed. Light off = points open. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 12:00 PM 5/9/2013, Monte Jane Morris wrote: >I have an inductive timing light and a dwell meter. I need to determine >when my points are open or closed. Can I use one of the above to do this >and if so, how? > >Where exactly do I hook the alligator clips to use each one? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:57:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234CC4054B for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FB140416 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:55:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-68-255-2-216.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [68.255.2.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r49GrXPV019539; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:53:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 11:53:46 -0500 To: Monte Jane Morris , MG list From: Barney Gaylord mail.com> References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Youi need a test light. Very cheap tool. See here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/tools/ts129.htm The contact points are switching the coil wire to ground. With ignition on, when points are open there will be power on the wire from coil to distributor. When points are closed the wire is grounded and will have no power, 0-volts, no light. Alternately, you can disconnect the wire from coil to distributor, connect the test light to a live power source (lower fuse for instance), and touich the ptobe to the distributor terminal. When points are closed it complets the circuit to ground, and youie get light. You can also test points with an ohm meter connected between the distributor input terminal and ground on the engine block. With points open it will read 50-megaohms (open circuit). With points closed it should read 0-ohms (short to ground). Resistance with points closed should never be higher tham 1/4-ohm (250-milliohms). If resistance is too high you need to clean the contact points or fix a faulty connection. It couid be corroded points, or a dirty wire connector, or bad contact between distributor body and engine block. At 11:00 AM 5/9/2013 -0500, Monte Jane Morris wrote: >I have an inductive timing light and a dwell meter. I need to >determine when my points are open or closed. Can I use one of the >above to do this and if so, how? > >Where exactly do I hook the alligator clips to use each one? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 11:12:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB740334 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01A140321 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id h1so3663820oag.25 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ag1IJiqPlLqHhd+PCgKaCaKwM419/XVYW/GFal+swQ0=; b=GwK8Byi2SOxdntDKeFEIcY93SxN4bCz6As68xY0fwddPp6xm9n9n6l3MW5JZIa+hlm LxS4ZfUqR335AHBW5QhoG2OqsN9+vZsGBrtUK8m1iJ7pRq7VSNWLkMVxMzZYyMCzxfTh L4bBKipF2ibWedFmtncO0Ey2JA5Ll53okIp4XK8VOvvRG/WQIUSHAbkBoSuIds1AhARK J+n4O5VCU2wTg9GU70J3wa0a4jp8tqID6izPIsa31s9fdmBxW5pBPsERPwbeCfBwpNcS NlUW2mLMT5dO60353y9TgYZrg8Yl3ge0ILUeI15ROPIAdfhBi46QS4ILQMx/B8awfptH efLg== m7mr4692104obc.96.1368119250030; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.76.42 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <0MMJ00BC0IOG1Q20@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:07:29 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Steven Trovato Cc: MG list , Monte Jane Morris Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Steve said: > > Light on = points closed. Light off = points open. > > >> Barney said: >>The contact points are switching the coil wire to ground. With ignition on, when points are open there will be power on the wire from coil to distributor. When points are closed the wire is grounded and will have no power, 0-volts, no light. One of these is not like the other. :-) You can use a dwell meter if you don't have a test light. With the points closed, the meter will read 0 degrees of dwell, with the points open it will read 90 degrees. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 11:35:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27D340554 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562F440453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ma3so2127246pbc.21 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=TIL2+8c/63/Z0HX5c56xYmc0oLTCrdyYG0ecXndJIo8=; b=IwikvETRKia0XnGk0vw7ZyEsfBgfc3JZosNxL+PEXjT2ZUackbJmV/vILnscCHtfeM DqzHFoDQ/8w+IHHUvakAS/KBEVvkm62GDD9CV2m3FasumrKIY8GrVL4exxrpp7acBwVJ IRhg84vCJBvl5Z0kLXCjEGS9L1yo0nBN7n8uzgZ030ZAd9xO/ycHR4FgKlr+WsKTe+RL 1bBK0CM3BnrXkKKQZPC8//4UiXGf2qD+Z/s0esCzM730v+Lk0ddUmrWSBkc/Hri76XUk VDeFy9K1ISJsxnSE4LWFIQo2ARbqTxLGCte8SvGilW/HK69i+OVGtIbD5STRqIot5feG drJQ== km1mr6066532pab.112.1368120806490; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.225 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:33:06 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:33:06 -0500 To: Richard Ewald Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It's analog. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Richard Ewald wrote: > Is the dwell meter analog or digital? > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: > >> I have an inductive timing light and a dwell meter. I need to determine >> when my points are open or closed. Can I use one of the above to do this >> and if so, how? >> >> Where exactly do I hook the alligator clips to use each one? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Monte 79B with points dizzy >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 11:46:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A2640653 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:46:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C568540042 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MMJ00EP0L8RB8S0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 May 2013 13:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 13:43:36 -0400 From: Steven Trovato mail.com> To: Richard Ewald References: <0MMJ00BC0IOG1Q20@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Cc: MG list , Monte Jane Morris Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net We are both right! Read the rest of Barney's post and you will see the next thing he says is: Alternately, you can disconnect the wire from coil to distributor, connect the test light to a live power source (lower fuse for instance), and touch the probe to the distributor terminal. When points are closed it completes the circuit to ground, and you get light. This is the method shown in the video. -Steve At 01:07 PM 5/9/2013, Richard Ewald wrote: >Steve said: > > Light on = points closed. Light off = points open. > > >Barney said: > >>The contact points are switching the coil wire to ground. With > ignition on, when points are open there will be power on the wire > from coil to distributor. When points are closed the wire is > grounded and will have no power, 0-volts, no light. > >One of these is not like the other. :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 11:58:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F393D40691 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E7340416 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id md12so2161919pbc.2 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:55:49 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=bj2jJCCG98ds2cX78MyQzxJhMLzySHzACvnrL4Ewe34=; b=PH1M4aiCKHNMNvb/wI02upeYUfBsfDUHlYxSAuaG3lg0Yn09IAM8qRGDuOrhlzvUsq eETYVohaDSfECDKU3kzvGexl06m30LxRIAkidQH5WxNIKdpQYzXrMVGkpBelzNqmajs2 Df7H5dg+ODO5/f8L1C1pSR7cMD32B+IeshWeYm+FhV9Fb7wRJXLzaQXyLVeO//p4BvLU jxfigydhAWLWT0v/kf6A8nkce/sESoHYWeVHhCwnEpN48h2iuuDamdWKOv1dNym1C9ff DWVucGxB3O0j8YQHKtvnEjFjGWeI0eAkLEJukkzT9IRTEAypb3Os6wLW1E8p6CnTaLNV /zdw== fw3mr13338520pbb.112.1368122149684; Thu, 09 May 2013 10:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.225 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:55:29 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:55:29 -0500 To: Richard Ewald Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] points Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, Thanks. I do have a test light! Monte On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: > It's analog. > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Richard Ewald wrote: > >> Is the dwell meter analog or digital? >> >> >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Monte Jane Morris wrote: >> >>> I have an inductive timing light and a dwell meter. I need to determine >>> when my points are open or closed. Can I use one of the above to do this >>> and if so, how? >>> >>> Where exactly do I hook the alligator clips to use each one? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Monte 79B with points dizzy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 13:53:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DDE40553 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 13:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8950D4044A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 13:53:31 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=elPl9hb3jSgA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=hHIhVU5MHWFgz3ZV7vIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GBYjNgTzydkA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=d/BdU0twbIXdwKyFs3+k/A==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.29.187] ([72.172.29.187:49505] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 23/43-05157-92EFB815; Thu, 09 May 2013 15:51:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 14:50:57 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: David Breneman , MGS References: <01590E9EC71841FD80A3C18B586D1635@paul> <1367943888.21772.YahooMailNeo@web163906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know if you could get a safety sticker on one. Getting is smogged, fer instance.:-( CR On 5/7/2013 11:24 AM, David Breneman wrote: > From: PaulHunt73 > >> On another tack it's also > noticeable how many MGFs/TFs are for sale on the >> owners mag for less than > #3k, one for #500 this month. > > Have they hit the 25-year mark yet? I wonder > what it costs > to ship one to the US. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 16:52:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2740558 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:52:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723B44052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-68-255-2-216.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [68.255.2.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r49MnthP023749; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:49:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 17:49:16 -0500 To: David Ambrose From: Barney Gaylord References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> <201305080102.r48129Wi002700@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <518C219C.3000606@cox.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know if the current Moss oil signal hose is Teflon lined. It doesn't say that in the catalog listing. Time to ask Moss. Got your ears up, Kelvin? It seems like such a trivial thing to do in production, and shouldn't add much to the cost of the raw hose (compared to total cost of manufacturing the hose assembly). However, while fuel hoses run under 10 psi, the oil hoses run up to 100 psi, and hydraulic clutch hose runs about 250 psi, and brake hoses more like 500 psi. Brake hoses have thick wall and very small bore size (which is okay for very low flow rate). Clutch hose has larger bore for higher flow rate (for quick clutch return). Fuel hoses have much larger bore and thinner wall. These are all different creatures, so they don't necessarily all come from the same production factory. At 03:22 PM 5/9/2013 -0700, you wrote: >.... >I looked for that hose in the Moss catalog and don't see it. Do you >happen to know the part number? >.... >On 5/7/2013 6:02 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: >>Only 11 years? Fooey. If MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) of >>every part on the car was 11 years, you would be fixing something >>that failed almost daily. I want parts that will last 50 years or more. >> >>That is a very critical part with severe consequences when it fails. >>When the oil is lost the crankshaft bearings may go away before you >>hear the loud knocking noises, by which time it is too late and >>very expensive to repair the damaged crankshaft. >> >>Go for the Teflon lined hose. >>.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 17:40:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C9C40691 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95FD4054C for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (unknown [76.178.157.142]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C10285C4; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:38:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 16:37:58 -0700 References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com> <77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul> <9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com> <67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul> <201305080102.r48129Wi002700@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <518C219C.3000606@cox.net> <201305092249.r49MnthP023749@nlpi162.prodigy.net> To: Barney Gaylord Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On May 9, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > I don't know if the current Moss oil signal hose is Teflon lined. It doesn't say that in the catalog listing. Time to ask Moss. Got your ears up, Kelvin? Certainly the one that failed in my car was not. > It seems like such a trivial thing to do in production, and shouldn't add much to the cost of the raw hose (compared to total cost of manufacturing the hose assembly). However, while fuel hoses run under 10 psi, the oil hoses run up to 100 psi, and hydraulic clutch hose runs about 250 psi, and brake hoses more like 500 psi. Brake hoses have thick wall and very small bore size (which is okay for very low flow rate). Clutch hose has larger bore for higher flow rate (for quick clutch return). Fuel hoses have much larger bore and thinner wall. These are all different creatures, so they don't necessarily all come from the same production factory. The hose that failed on my car is a single-walled unreinforced rubber tube that was then covered in braided steel. The outside diameter is 5/16", with a 1/16" thick wall (3/16" inner diameter). I've posted a picture here: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7325/8723754053_7662f98784_c.jpg (or larger version: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7325/8723754053_13e399e196_o.jpg) I was actually pretty shocked at how small the tube was under that steel mesh. Fuel line, even the stuff that is designed for carbs instead of FI has significantly more structure. -- Aaron _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 02:21:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B1E40E40 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 02:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C837F40E22 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 02:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hm14so350729wib.11 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 01:18:00 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=WlleDYYSCEOlwsnKgUDkUb2MK2NnpfFWG8Hjz767qgM=; b=niflKJSaZQY189Ah+ruXqNDekvFJikOeKdZBSqV42HrZq99zw/WKHk+ZXIc7Gel3Oh 5R5zkaAvd3EEz5zHjKmsqVDrkjlqFhfFc+ktOjsWvRNw24gN2W3BHmoTR0CUUcsOX98P czhLfaJC/5WYb2Adz+I0/hDHE2RKMoSJFgt18xPfbvEN/HrpXTaGga9efRwL3BCLYDeE 4MVOICMjfy2yIlAeJihRs8CoHq9WbGwCLOkIZBmQ63EudUK6TS+nm6ftYZ4yeUKTQ3Rl XS2NHD3Ao2pAVA1en6RCy2e76lCihARsUn1m0HzMu7QX8jvQob5T3hLG+/uRJjFDC1MB VWiw== w7mr2063775wie.2.1368173880258; Fri, 10 May 2013 01:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cw8sm1778873wib.7.2013.05.10.01.17.59 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 May 2013 01:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" References: <80DEF434-FD14-43C0-94B2-95011D9083ED@panix.com><77B32E99517E4E1AB968605EEADDEBF7@paul><9AB1F4AD-5F47-4882-ACD7-74E4CCA6A228@panix.com><67581E00DA7F4C45A852FAB847BB6833@paul><201305080102.r48129Wi002700@nlpi176.prodigy.net><518C219C.3000606@cox.net><201305092249.r49MnthP023749@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:04:23 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil bummer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have to say, mesh reinforced or not, I'm not surprised it failed considering it needs to take at least 80psi. My 73 roadster all-rubber hose, which is quite possibly original as it is identical in appearance to my 75 V8 hose, is just over 1/2" OD and just over 1/8" ID i.e. a wall thickness of about 3/8" i.e. six times yours! As a pal recently had a gauge hose failure, although in his case it was a pin-hole in the body, I've been looking at alternatives given the age of mine. Steveson http://www.stevsonmotors.co.uk/oilpressurepipes&hoses.html do both rubber based and Teflon for competition, but with the Teflon only being #12 to the #7 for rubber it would seem foolish not to pay the extra fiver, even though their rubber-based come from Cohline of Germany who are OE suppliers to Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The hose that failed on my car is a single-walled unreinforced rubber tube > that was then covered in braided steel. The outside diameter is 5/16", > with a > 1/16" thick wall (3/16" inner diameter). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 06:05:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46B640E5F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 06:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B684052D for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 06:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 12:03:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.250] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 12:03:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2013 12:03:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 33682 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2013 12:03:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368187386; bh=Do0hFwlNqqwjS6pVrHVPWJZvVUc5BuiRGQ5Y0FocPp8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zwLiQxOaYNnJCpRdRT8mGaAvL/PU/rhN9yvkDWRsQFJkxxp6Gg9xiixLGnPrw6cjWHAy4rCpMENfan+H1ltwiRNZSnedPdUz8KJ3la7RaSkeM5vfdyHtRnb7iMb3X34DJWRFuaoJiTA2HYofgiQGff+EM4CkCY3ik6iV+9t4PSQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5f/0A/vZ5UvUQI7/aM6ziIC611Dqmnqf3jvWk69EeGii/jSH7kSTCp1r5If5aSl9h/pMOlHAtdJi1rLhmnpj3fjk20A67qhErFeqg/xEAHUZ+Di3PDsqfgtL4o1z7/iSKA8v/DKcj0vdhA+D+h6qwbUAOFiiwUoylAQu77P8T5A=; KKnzubSu5jHYS9WzRLjjx Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 05:03:05 PDT SSByZWNvbW1lbmQgUmljayBMaW5kc2V5J3Mgc2hvcCBpbiBIb3VzdG9uIDstKQoKRGFuIEQKJzY1QgonNzZCCmNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogQWxhbiBLZWxsb2dnIDxhZWtlbGxAYW9sLmNvbT4KVG86IG1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldDsgbWctdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIE1heSA5LCAyMDEzIDEyOjE0IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZ3NdIEhlbHAgQ29ubmVjdGljdXQgVEQgcHJvamVjdCBuZWVkcyBjb21wbGUBMAEBAQE- References: <8D01AE7746284C0-D2C-4B117@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 05:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Alan Kellogg , "mgs@autox.team.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I recommend Rick Lindsey's shop in Houston ;-) Dan D '65B '76B central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Alan Kellogg To: mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion Hello, I am looking for recommendations for body shop or other to help complete restoration of a TD. Rolling chassis is completed. Body is off in pieces so requires prep and painting, maybe some minor dent repair and re-assembly on frame. Any suggestions appreciated. Alan Kellogg _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 06:14:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6391140EA1 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 06:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com (mail-vb0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A20F40421; Fri, 10 May 2013 06:14:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 12so3396900vbf.4 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 05:12:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qAgk7sYdUEVa5f+nz2xPhTzggBbwlWUDqIHSUI+dNgQ=; b=ZRextAXvx6N3e3vpYkAXMfBNakOenwjaZ3Ac18VsuZ0gaqPrTmGPhGuPG6LxBuEWYw lcfs19fkcC5rArxBkUwkqa9/QvIH7As1hSryicAZaAm5v3JEQVil5ja0hMXLLTDE7A1P fwyoFoazqbgOlrHwRryXcWRxPk9Rw8vYjwWRPKxVTTcuN4IDwt1JZ2j7aSQmWqWgHVAQ u1JVKJCqTd0QtlPrYh3mTizNlxW8XCojpmeyi9F78qjGtXO0HqI4RiVkXJC64xruwhDA /Saa5C3I5z0HPYT9atthAxa8uMoSvcssQKFI3QgaWMCv4WeoCDLqznjk5v0mNIPejUfP sl7w== s8mr9081288vdg.23.1368187942431; Fri, 10 May 2013 05:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.96.66 with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2013 05:12:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D01AE7746284C0-D2C-4B117@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> <1368187385.33153.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 08:12:22 -0400 From: Jim Tinkham To: "mgs@autox.team.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net East Coast Collision and Restoration in Mt Holly VT does outstanding work. They've been at Stowe the last few years with some of their in progress projects. Talk to Jason, you won't be disappointed with anything he does. http://www.eastcoastcollisionandrestoration.com/ On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > I recommend Rick Lindsey's shop in Houston ;-) > > Dan D > '65B > '76B > central NJ USA > ________________________________ > From: Alan Kellogg > To: > mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:14 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion > > > Hello, I am > looking for recommendations for body shop or other to help > complete > restoration of a TD. Rolling chassis is completed. Body is off in > pieces so > requires prep and painting, maybe some minor dent repair and > re-assembly on > frame. Any suggestions appreciated. > > Alan Kellogg > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/tink5775@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 07:38:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D976740EAA for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 07:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E0640416 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 07:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (184-157-12-208.dyn.centurytel.net [184.157.12.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4ADZsi7012210 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 13:35:56 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: References: <8D01AE7746284C0-D2C-4B117@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> <1368187385.33153.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 08:35:55 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5NdmLWvEBNVDVNR2OBHNlMoJfT3wACrT9Q a=jaTmBQM0IqgA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=b/sRrEc86cr5sYgADR6SQQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=V30XNWcyDX60Bps7sYkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=b/sRrEc86cr5sYgADR6SQQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hear, hear! DFD -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dan DiBiase Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:03 AM To: Alan Kellogg; mgs@autox.team.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help Connecticut TD project needs completion I recommend Rick Lindsey's shop in Houston ;-) Dan D '65B '76B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 10 14:21:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F65140EC2 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from co03.mbox.net (co03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0511E40E1F for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from co03.mbox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by co03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3b6jR52M4szvVm6 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:18:09 +0000 (UTC) mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTP id 141ReJusH1056M03; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:18:07 -0000 Received: from ca31.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by co03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.90E) with ESMTP id XID145ReJusH1992X03; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:18:07 -0000 ca31.cms.usa.net Received: from web02.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.202] by ca31.cms.usa.net (ESMTP/d.mckinnie@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTP id 985ReJusH7760M31; Fri, 10 May 2013 20:18:07 -0000 Received: from 129.79.144.70 [129.79.144.70] by web02.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer C8.MAIN.3.88W); Fri, 10 May 2013 20:18:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:18:07 -0400 From: "Douglas McKinnie" To: Z-USANET-MsgId: XID985ReJusH7760X31 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net >I don't know if you could get a safety sticker on one. Getting is >smogged, fer instance.:-( >> On another tack it's also > noticeable how many MGFs/TFs are for sale on the >> owners mag for less than > #3k, one for #500 this month. > > Have they hit the 25-year mark yet? I wonder > what it costs > to ship one to the US. MG RV8 introduced in 1992, so they hit the 25-year mark in 2017 MGF introduced in 1995, so it hits the 25-year mark in 2020 I presume that the prices for both have fallen since Australia tightened up their restrictions on classic imports. Here is detail on how to get the car into the USA legally. Getting it legally registered for road use in your own state is another problem -- easier in some than others: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278/~/importing-classic-or-antiq ue-vehicles-%2F-cars-for-personal-use Douglas _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 01:45:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52FF4257E for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 01:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D1440E9F for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 01:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.168]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 11 May 2013 09:42:34 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 11 May 2013 09:42:34 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 11 May 2013 09:42:34 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:42:41 +0200 Content-language: nl Thread-index: Ac5OGjB9IlHS/SmDTdGtEyGPAnsAtw== FILETIME=[19F36C70:01CE4E1B] Subject: [Mgs] Prewar MG makes lots of damage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/21554335/__Oldtimer_rijdt_feesttent_in__. html An MG 1938 drophead coupe made a lot of damage yesterday at a big historic rally (over 600 people) event in the Netherlands. Without the driver the MG started to drive and went into a big partytent. In the tent several people were hit by the car. Some of these still are in hospital. Weird thing was, that the driver was not behind the steering wheel. Hope this does not mean, that MG's will get a bad name overhere. Cheers, Hans _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 03:21:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64EB426BF for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 03:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538A940E9F for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 03:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id w60so4661756wes.31 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 02:18:29 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=UTP91rv6+XpUiC19iVz2qF55mswItB9voWnL3e4mmyw=; b=pEwUio00N8JFPVf+DxIwecH9jHAFKt8LmcPJAhBo6ECkUVbky+iPbseLAW6HaY7Oyz JXn9oDIKxNP/np8T458xSc6tXSVqIrzUOW+zp4noaL7GrqCfx+3Ro6T0tP4PvEI3Xs6I aAE+bdjl18A9Nzvj0xUF4uKz+agXduFeP3dgE+wS1117hrDFd/Fom0JGCiaHUfJWs9KD BHPD/zoJEASjGLaQF1IDnk9K7rggeV4CAd1LWwJugIWb9W7FoY5G+j4WpXM0SywxxK8p +mtTQRFIeXkakPFquNmV4KDyKoTWOlzDIyjGMU0H4QhhunLqoshJ03pPhV7bCgp1awCf XlJg== dq5mr8436088wib.0.1368263909778; Sat, 11 May 2013 02:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q13sm2739336wie.8.2013.05.11.02.18.29 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 May 2013 02:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Douglas McKinnie" , References: <792ReJuRH5136S02.1368217087@web02.cms.usa.net> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 10:07:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Nice weather has brought out the classic cars in the UK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I doubt changes in Australian import rules would be the cause of the current low prices in the UK, they were sold new there from 1997. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/ganews?readform&make=MG&model=MGF&start=2 ----- Original Message ----- > I presume that the prices for both have fallen since Australia tightened > up > their restrictions on classic imports. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 03:21:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460DB426BD for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 03:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A78F40EC3 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 03:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id j13so1396351wgh.3 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 02:18:30 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=DGuKuhlVM/QAGuTZ7afs1tpFJgYlnhxzx+gc++aRwYM=; b=MnmTlEMaH6CZki2yHDV20plTUjBUEyIyhquNiNnBQb7MyHo4L3z0nm9+vEiX7rgRvm Hyvgd8+3jk8NuhBtjugJ03nM0QiuVmmMYAU9o1KOvKY27LNzsa/XeRDbpuwgyLnEKKpB 5JMLyJqcYB9fr/7XDTcdxQPHmvjjifwvBfJUtD46y4srGzOeMxH7cg2aNBwcyzkRr15g Q6NCfnxO2tELdN10nTMSClR1qvq8O8wzi90Qp0mLWN0umU7/RtGEH3ppu3zjtoNXyCHg cuoEEURtETr5Wla50F8ksqO29+X/xiUxUO+FuZdLKgMVYa67DTzW9bI1gfAPZytFegWf chCQ== y5mr8241950wij.20.1368263910493; Sat, 11 May 2013 02:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q13sm2739336wie.8.2013.05.11.02.18.29 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 May 2013 02:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , References: <001801ce4e1b$1e4e3b10$5aeab130$@planet.nl> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 10:15:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Prewar MG makes lots of damage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rolling or actually driving? (I know, it would need a hill to roll, and this is Holland ...). I've known a couple of cases where vehicles have started cranking themselves along when a fault developed in the starting system and the driver had left it in gear. It's one of the reasons I've fitted battery cut-off switches to all my cars. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > An MG 1938 drophead coupe made a lot of damage yesterday at a big historic > rally (over 600 people) event in the Netherlands. > > Without the driver the MG started to drive and went into a big partytent. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 04:51:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382B9425A4 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 04:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1948406B1 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 04:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hr14so1524854wib.5 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 03:48:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole :x-gm-message-state; bh=NOEESBxcHe6niawua/MB3LPvLIJcQNN341ik1MFjBdE=; b=hMyckWvjt9p65R8P3Z/NiBP4w4bm3hBVlamCn1RPnwr4NNu4DwPOVHlyIoNmIE5RP5 DV0poemVEAl6KqhZZgJhla6V+8Iegk09LUa9bQB/xTNOdOrQNLKKIWtWgBXZChem03Me KVOynepjMWnDx5YRbCy9VlEQd9rHdiGDVQWxnE3JO6KPErUkvepKuQYYIedCF+X8j3Cz O8QEeuGK6Zx3aaMokS1kjbmlwQma5MimZQdv7k+aXZw9I4uin/v0PWf5R7b97qyPjT+J 1KbnprGyiA1zKTMhSVW0+nmmtelLT5GKX6b1tpMWykdBaw7EKS1k/RzTUWdFoMcVPAPx WnVg== yo8mr29631855wjc.36.1368269324592; Sat, 11 May 2013 03:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-1.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eu18sm2965941wid.1.2013.05.11.03.48.43 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 May 2013 03:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: , Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 11:35:51 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGB wiring harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A pal has a harness for a 1969 but it seems to be for the ultra-rare 'Cyclops' model! The harness stops by the right-hand headlight, where there are six wires for the lights plus two wires in a tail for the horns, there is nothing going across the front of the car to the left-hand headlight. He does have a two-wire sub-harness which looks like it is for the second horn, which was optional until 1970 so I can understand a sub-harness for that, but should there be a sub-harness for the left-hand lighting as well? That seems to make no sense. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 06:34:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119F040E35 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 06:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A052640334 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 06:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews20.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.186]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 11 May 2013 14:30:04 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews20.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 11 May 2013 14:30:04 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 11 May 2013 14:30:04 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'PaulHunt73'" , References: <001801ce4e1b$1e4e3b10$5aeab130$@planet.nl> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 14:30:12 +0200 Thread-Index: AQJyhSrHUnhGyz5x+UBMSMJvP10KtwEyqU/Il63lWNA= Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[43C23720:01CE4E43] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Prewar MG makes lots of damage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Driving Paul. Somehow it seems the car did not want to start initially. So the driver went out for a look at the front of the car - I assume under the bonnet. Suddenly the car started to drive without the driver behind the wheel. A passenger still was sitting in his seat, but apparently could not prevent the damage. So your thoughts are not far away I think. I leave my MG always in neutral, when I'm out of the GT. A cut-off switch is a good extra to consider... Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 11 mei 2013 11:16 Aan: Hans Duinhoven; mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Prewar MG makes lots of damage Rolling or actually driving? (I know, it would need a hill to roll, and this is Holland ...). I've known a couple of cases where vehicles have started cranking themselves along when a fault developed in the starting system and the driver had left it in gear. It's one of the reasons I've fitted battery cut-off switches to all my cars. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > An MG 1938 drophead coupe made a lot of damage yesterday at a big > historic rally (over 600 people) event in the Netherlands. > > Without the driver the MG started to drive and went into a big partytent. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 07:05:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62491426BB for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 07:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9915640528 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 07:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id v19so1412683obq.9 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 06:02:02 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=1/VpvG9jEr0Gl/YhhFGvAvB82882JVFnjlmVRycZgyU=; b=Yty/Bnv02PEE9DnG4VwHluLg2FLJ5DmRAP2aBrZCWh3qWxR+SmLfK6gVsI4qlBvjkJ E5qn0SglXgj9CO7pYwl7ND5IIxEYW3V5MXH7uZJFXRqN2kP0xybgS0d5MOOq7X0QcBmB K2ET9ydqsfRQ1HDBlBxx/uLmJ7RGv5lluIDEAIh34Y+F4Khf/pjeIq77V+gv68iyT59n RxqYIsudciHXWzpBHPwzzUBd/g3j15QQfmMLNd0GmmbR1A/09LHQrWY8ZOJy+HyVGUms SXg+86hBzvQs4G7sA6cwSQCWJG0So1JXuDH46jWXf2Q0YrL/6ZMaBccx2HrZPJ1ZDJtN 0wbQ== d17mr9244324obt.29.1368277322622; Sat, 11 May 2013 06:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n6sm7609976oel.8.2013.05.11.06.02.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 May 2013 06:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 08:01:59 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: paulhunt73@virginmedia.com, h.duinhoven@planet.nl, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Prewar MG makes lots of damage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Paul, et al., Wouldn't a '37 have a mechanical starter switch like the T-Series cars? B Therefore, self starting could only happen if the switch was stuck 'almost' making AND the ignition was left on, OR, the car died when parked and the owner left the ignition switced on. B Only a small push, if in gear, could have started thr car! B Hummm... -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: PaulHunt73 Date: 05/11/2013 4:15 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Hans Duinhoven ,mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Prewar MG makes lots of damage Rolling or actually driving?B (I know, it would need a hill to roll, and this is Holland ...).B I've known a couple of cases where vehicles have started cranking themselves along when a fault developed in the starting system and the driver had left it in gear.B It's one of the reasons I've fitted battery cut-off switches to all my cars. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > An MG 1938 drophead coupe made a lot of damage yesterday at a big historic > rally (over 600 people) event in the Netherlands. > > Without the driver the MG started to drive and went into a big partytent. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 10:27:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD34403FA for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:27:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD68403DB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 16:23:41 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 16:23:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 16:23:41 -0000 _ICDPNAcw2lc7HJ4fcINkkn9of_94PgFp38jBqQlvJsem4y8hwsDVI3jXwJz uzVhR0L6SR8EvjNmRAVVU.ApmvL6I1iv8sbDgTGC_09MtLGg5n8A7rvtFi9e gec36TYu2eEaC1ebGYzt4bUrVW.1KJMzKM_RTTcL9lk6Jn2pYew3nlItB1zQ lWl3N1bpWk5mHsXnoKDUMePYaR8oR0mtM4axnHnmQrkk3MLl5usvA0AlojCv HZaVxWg6hNNT05gGKm3MBKR1I8OZrERFPZgdAcLoShjWhKuFe7Ze6pWh2r_O 5bOOf96MGmvI_hzyBHR2EwcwVLqk6SDfiX3dQlZS8GYq6eOm_uV.Pb.sgOom sY8300vI8uLc2OWJYFnG0vYs4tGAZW3JrrCq0XueVLtylKHl_7jIsl7089b9 etvY- smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2013 09:23:40 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:23:39 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen the subject of delayed startup oil pressure on here which I have been experiencing on my 65 B. I have had to turn it over without the choke but it takes quite awhile to build up pressure- 15 seconds or so on running. I'm using a WIX 51374 oil filter which is the filter for an the 75-80 B and it fits nicely with the oil cooler and adapter. This filter has the anti drain back valve and WIX filters are supposed to be very high quality and use a teflon drain back valve which is touted as better. Any other causes of a delay in oil pressure? I thought about it just being air in the line but the knocking precludes that. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 11:00:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC998403EB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp132.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp132.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F78403D0 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 10:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C431958380; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 3AE1F5839D; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 09:56:55 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don References: Subject: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On the subject of oil pressure delay . . . My MGs have this issue to some extent, but at least I can monitor engine speed with the choke knob, and keep RPMs very low until I see the gauge begins showing oil pressure. I have a '01 Miata with only 18k miles on the car. If it sits for a few days, and I start it, the engine would race and I could hear all kinds of rattling going on. I know it's lack of oil pressure causing this for a few moments. It was a helpless feeling because I couldn't reduce RPMs since everything is automated. I must have had some kind of psychic revelation or something, but I figured out a solution. When I first crank the engine, I hold the gas pedal to the floor for a few moments and the engine does not fire. Then I crank the car again but with my foot off the gas pedal. It starts then, but has had oil pressure build up from the first cranking, because I don't get the rattling sounds now. Not sure why the engine does not start with gas pedal to the floor, but I think this procedure will save my engine from an early demise. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 11:07:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E704256E for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B066A4055D for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 11:06:43 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1368378243; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=HhlJScIrktnHroxGUiqRROJCdJW93knCKPFhjYM2YevUp+AN8J8WnQ65568UAfPsY rcD/X2eX3VHrXSM8eleZVtJUTDWnZN0eKoCmayhgt3xSgIEJ8XVPiGf+OAMV1M2l9z hlFlu8sMnQaCcFaADb0rolyDV5nWNg/nDfQ3aNsk= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ29U4RA35SEJJ for (sender ); Sun, 12 May 2013 10:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:02:11 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:02:11 GMT To: mike@duvallvideo.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mike, 51068 is the one I use on my 1972 18V engine. Though an inverted spin- on, it seems to stay filled and I get pressure on the gauge with a second or two of start-up, even after a couple of weeks inactivity. Is 51374 the filter recommended by maker of the spin-on adapter? Causes of low pressure can be worn rod bearings, worn mains, worn rocker bushings and shaft, but slow pressure suggests something between pickup in the sump and delivery to the bearings--screen, pump, relief valve, filter. For six bucks, I would look to the filter first. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Duvall Video Productions To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:23:39 -0500 I've seen the subject of delayed startup oil pressure on here which I have been experiencing on my 65 B. I have had to turn it over without the choke but it takes quite awhile to build up pressure- 15 seconds or so on running. I'm using a WIX 51374 oil filter which is the filter for an the 75-80 B and it fits nicely with the oil cooler and adapter. This filter has the anti drain back valve and WIX filters are supposed to be very high quality and use a teflon drain back valve which is touted as better. Any other causes of a delay in oil pressure? I thought about it just being air in the line but the knocking precludes that. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 12:08:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2D1403F5 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151B740325 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 18:05:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 18:05:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2013 18:05:49 -0000 5YGwTLWt5p_AE2bo6v5n_0oqwjswEboKiF1BGYIKSs8NlD39IeVMhFl7.BKs 5fjQgkIy7NLOGwWPo3tn4u2QJ2j4IG8Wa8Y34Kb8bD.AT2Id5khcEXCSN1pD KvmRbg5VUULW6v8REQPncNnQAqq2.21siZVmoYDxE2Y5cM5b4zBw2d31oOqz 6kfHfELyISfCK2_1F6RQIAatUnr5YdgQYHRFuGvTceSR12DUbb07kqF.cDRZ eahtbBdx5eR04ZNbW2ZEBjbuD7jvBASrQ2ZSNioKk7jt9SaqWAkdtJ5eblO_ baoElp9LkdnrrbMrv1oGMUmtWtYvxltVNLZDz_QTv1eNJHiMGVWhRtzYW7V5 2DiFq._EyjVCXopVkbvNbgwZGGiRnRGwejH8pZLl.M.7cOVQuXGf.tasHkKx 8JYuv04dSbKDqmq3Wc4W6UH9gn0cubpAa7C9Cq6IcKo._D4wrhCQ.r8cHuUu P06vYbWlAaYTSrZNf1gJ6ahv0FKCxr_y2fWYJ9zbrgOjDQ9tOoZjN97eL smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2013 11:05:49 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 13:05:48 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] identifying spin on adapter for 65 B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone recognize this spin on oil filter adapter for a 65 B? I can't find the purchase information on it. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k0st24z4jl56hi7/EaA2lvINZj _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 12:23:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CAA42577 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2A6403C6 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130512182019.JAGJ5804.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:20:19 -0400 Received: from eastrmwml301 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id b6LK1l0074h0NJL016LKyY; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:20:19 -0400 a=jOzjGBJaV2I0cC+D9wFcnA==:17 a=RDCZYGFenDwA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=ozqBnSIlRjQA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=Xfod6lS-cgUA:10 a=VGxG94oaAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lG2yzh3bUeFT3eBasVcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=gkfSzkTfGfcA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=jOzjGBJaV2I0cC+D9wFcnA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 98.181.27.59 by webmail.east.cox.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:20:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:20:19 -0400 From: To: Duvall Video Productions , mgs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Has the engine been rebuilt? In the rebuild gasket set there are two different oil pump gaskets. If the wrong one is used, it doesn't cover all of the holes causing a delay in the oil pump getting suction. The result is a delay in establishing oil pressure. ---- Duvall Video Productions wrote: > I've seen the subject of delayed startup oil pressure on here which I have > been experiencing on my 65 B. I have had to turn it over without the choke > but it takes quite awhile to build up pressure- 15 seconds or so on running. > > I'm using a WIX 51374 oil filter which is the filter for an the 75-80 B and it > fits nicely with the oil cooler and adapter. > > This filter has the anti drain back valve and WIX filters are supposed to be > very high quality and use a teflon drain back valve which is touted as > better. > > Any other causes of a delay in oil pressure? I thought about it just being > air in the line but the knocking precludes that. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dannyvarnado@cox.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 12:37:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5963A42576 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:37:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp162.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp162.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E77B40075 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 12:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp46.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 740FDE82E5 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp46.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 10E9BE82D7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 14:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:34:20 -0700 To: mgs@autox.team.net From: Don Subject: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Has the engine been rebuilt? In the rebuild gasket set there are two different oil pump gaskets. If the wrong one is used, it doesn't cover all of the holes causing a delay in the oil pump getting suction. The result is a delay in establishing oil pressure. I think if that gasket is the wrong one, there will be no oil pressure at all. I rebuilt my '67 B GT engine years ago, and when I went to start the engine, no oil pressure. I tried a lot of things to fix it, and finally took it apart only to discover that I had used the wrong oil pump gasket on assembly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:31:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB14424D8 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 46F26403DB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20544 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2013 19:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 May 2013 19:28:44 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=qFrgbEY8Zz1/owDFfyaRiI2mBxsQghh0tWRCeR4o2Tw=; b=kc7Mb+Pb5Ra7871jYYaWjqvSMyqBj15D9rKvLaNEyLa/XINyGWTMLWy0f1pQYDiPembZswovR/DCYx5abvC/X8vmj3xbCpwgmSjpnLCJTkIT/FKeFL+b+tbL74fDEmun; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36464 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubbwq-0008M1-NX for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:28:44 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:28:43 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/12/2013 11:23 AM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: but it takes quite awhile to build up pressure- 15 seconds or so on running. >> That is just "too long", Mike. All you gents have missed something rather important, IMHO. ...but the knocking precludes that. As in rod or main knock ?? spun a main bearing --- # 3 or 4 ?? There should be NO 'knock' even at 15 seconds ! ! ! Personally, I would stop even trying to start it; drop the pan and check ALL bearing starting with Mains. PITA, but it can be done . You might try one thing which may/may not help. Go to my site and --->"Various Articles" --->Compression Test for 4 cyls. Run the Test (with coil disconnected ), fill out, Scan and send to me. I'll 'plug your #s' in and return. "Might" show a 'weakness'. I'll also put up on my site for all to view. 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Guinness" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] MGA generator bracket failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My MGA 1600 seemed to be overheating a bit more than usual at stop lights. So I opened the bonnet and lo and behold -- both the water pump and rear brackets to the generator had sheared off. What could cause this? Do I need to (or should I) replace the water pump or can it be welded (after removal)? -- e-mail signature Robert Guinness Guinness & Buehler, LLC 2850 West Clay St., Suite 210 St. Charles, MO 63301 636-947-7711 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. 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Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 18:23:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B44E4256E for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0C9403B1 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 18:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6031D7002D7CB for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-75-68-101-222.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [75.68.101.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B4CCCE0000C2 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:20:23 -0400 To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1368404426; bh=54dZ+bMpizAj6MaqePSpMUF9r8uU5/M2z7OZUT4ZgZU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=IOOuqGppGCgCbg5sttta7iJWAJnMid8L8/GvsD5yWf9ty2Bf8zeiQmjP63jFLuhpl ft1zRMy6X5oMQbm4btajPbEBBZ03v3huHLBl6oKhZ9wiGxeNJykeP48m69fJ9EJo1H uXDc95KkyhaRS5KBy2Dmv6rEaYZr9VTVjWTCb66Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2942519031c9708d Subject: [Mgs] Anyone going to Carlisle next weekend? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Just wondering :) -John _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 21:27:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04E940404 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0116E40381 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-132-171.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.132.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4D3OlKs026570; Sun, 12 May 2013 22:24:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:19:25 -0500 To: "Robert J. Guinness" , MG List From: Barney Gaylord References: <51901C2F.3030308@stclegal.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA generator bracket failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If it was an aluminum body water pump that failure is common. I broke two of those myself in 1997. Kind of suprised the rear bracket broke. If it was an iron body water pump I'm way more suprised, as I have never heard of one of those breaking like that. At 05:48 PM 5/12/2013 -0500, Robert J. Guinness wrote: >My MGA 1600 seemed to be overheating a bit more than usual at stop >lights. So I opened the bonnet and lo and behold -- both the water >pump and rear brackets to the generator had sheared off. What could >cause this? Do I need to (or should I) replace the water pump or can it >be welded (after removal)? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 21:44:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7F9426BD for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6339E403E8 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:44:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bEq31l0030lTkoCA2Fhy4h; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:41:58 +0000 Received: from mail-ia0-x22b.google.com ([IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22b]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bFhx1l0044p0vJg8QFhxX1; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:41:57 +0000 Received: by mail-ia0-f171.google.com with SMTP id r13so7071084iar.16 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:41:57 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=xv6mkiHOoZ5E0c2JbvTS2SLkUAXI7FWqXxruLBQuS8o=; b=Yt143DQkCtmEs6jH/owe7LuLrTp+c0K52fJ9GRvdQ9Nr9ggpEpcsJQe7L0uCL2L9uA l7LiYKUCv05cOOGvHM8o1AD4NPhKVtpC3sXVp5JOhyrlpq92HVlQPKRoTE2Qv3UUPnTq /av1asZJTK56u/CNVVRGP8eJ8qtX3j8Wv5p26Q+dWmNdXcHf5XrmUD1o5KMxA2OdC1k3 3VFqTTGDkdRfEt4qxtjylF3j5xIvH8JiqFHVY46RX7eSpLQros+23MsheVTRx02+gIvN Szew63AoqQUY1e9XAfuStNXsSFKkLZ8rqi6MIqJ/AypcsScHMleh6Vg1Q9LJrMK12S3Q QrBw== aw9mr8668044igc.71.1368416517300; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.176.196 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.176.196 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 20:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 21:41:57 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: mgs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1368416518; bh=xv6mkiHOoZ5E0c2JbvTS2SLkUAXI7FWqXxruLBQuS8o=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=bu6eXAoXwdrgJqQBwB/uzGvZ+Rg5raGQamsZtiK7k82NUydf6bdoR/eGCVsxTMhn3 +d3K8IumLYRNkusO4yrkVAl1j7DT6aQbZukkrtdzeUxA1lVVcQLni/uiO3+X4f7pvT 4m3JGdmEXtOFlt1NCcElEp/GrIBknzM8haJGa0khUEGTlpBB2D9E6mU3UpT4s6KeEt dQAZrY49T5zMrD4/TtgtjVwdhvsHD5R6Kg7LA1HmWOIQCD1LwpmmOF46fnMFALHtLL 9CvzWuCqo6MgZ7xw9Fyru7/Mxs8hvV5RMFl+nmVR9P0IChcvd/73QWZZY8+HReE3uA MmlC4Fiek7rNQ== Subject: [Mgs] Bought a '78 B yesterday! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I towed it home from Nevada today. Time to get to know the new one now! Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 04:28:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE61427E4 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 04:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0376140520 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 04:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20130513101635.XNXH23282.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:16:35 +0100 Received: from TomVistaPC ([82.15.7.85]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20130513101635.QUMI21648.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TomVistaPC>; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:16:35 +0100 From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "MG List" References: <6AE3F102-B903-44D9-9794-CA0FEB86A5BA@ece.rochester.edu> <201301300216.r0U2G9Su016315@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <4D95A7E596FA43D3A4EC51E11676E9AC@TomVistaPC> <201305031729.r43HTfPf022734@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:16:35 +0100 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=qJSTaHS7k8gA:10 a=ZdHmUYdYJFFZoCgz-LMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HErKdRCrG7GYHQBqMzkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=y8rpFR0bs3ER8lN8:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Master Cylinger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi guys, I've just starter to rebuild the master cylinder on the A and have ordered a complete rebuild kit of seals etc. Over the weekend I noticed the top gasket is different to the old one I have and questioned this with the company I bought the kit from. They have come back to me and said that the master cylinder I have is from an MGZA, ZB and not an MGA. Does any one know if this was a common replacement and is it detremental in any way apart from not being original? Are the internal seals the same? Thanks Tom 1960 MGA (in total rebuild) 1965 AH 3000 MKIII 1988 Mini Park Lane. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 09:15:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAA6426BD for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E144042E for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 15:10:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.249] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 15:10:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 15:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 77227 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2013 15:10:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368457854; bh=8peerUS8yQ6dTTejkF62CRD4h8dIB3f9E8USIv1/e3o=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WA/a4ddYsvu0hPUGRQ7mzXGYFzj+Gld5wuybjhEdlBu8nnV0E/tohs7bX4DakDcWxGEp62me44y29RFux5ZtQYF+PD5/vmYFQE/re2UaxeAxqle2FRB6leWJGO0vHfjQCQp8iFNALL+BmVUqkctJNFUnYU72h/pZOSLkQcWnpt0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A8Hj+5YztEdKbYo7puGbkuN/sMF37S2VeiIxe3IIFdpBt7YzY+WHv10bnMTw/jBPljp+ZQqm6YnShpYDMESKHlotxFMapV6CZO12a+FbHtJ4kX4/HbNkrPnMgepM07gil/WAHzfN0H5jiJInuQNUNHNtI085xib6jGsUjbm7H7k=; ghpQwOXOcA79Orc9o8.jOI3v04lbgtWk5g79j8WrynEpeJzQDZRsZOlPO0tc 5F3LPef6JPCZFL1mUl2HJfXqjSigFeTppCGj7I5YbZWHqChNEdeKC3hiymhN rht0jjKrU2kJqFlv.CSlmu70VoKP3tzPPvsdSt3w1NyJimmZRa_UtraqGHhF 2FQQR8tJ42n6Cis9gan4tK9EnE2dTCxNGdLcFVaEtiw74dqYmPAt3ceFQxkZ GMPMED5Sip3snQTYE.MDDw0Yk6R.Pr8_Wx3cIX1qzAYXaDppieLE3zt.w335 U6Bh4VF0dCbDPQFBSEQzAC0XeuXsI7czqYReUlBIQCJRxGEwdiBxVZWMKpG3 .Wk9Maqg_gpk_A05bZSPrRnrjVMj4VRG05sLQq6YD89mU3hEt7aj9SHuJmUI S38w8pP5TD.QJhfudF7eGuf0Wzavpfzqad9snI_El7E0XRyiyE22UxFWXTp_ hYDYGmo.HYwqzo4QgpsDrlKFj Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 08:10:54 PDT Q29uZ3JhdHMhIFdoYXQga2luZCBvZiBzaGFwZSBpcyBpdCBpbj8KCkRhbiBECic3NiBCCic2NSBCCkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogQW5kcmV3IEx1bmRncmVuIDxsdW5kZ3JlbkBieXUubmV0PgpUbzogbWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IApTZW50OiBTdW5kYXksIE1heSAxMiwgMjAxMyAxMTo0MSBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbTWdzXSBCb3VnaHQgYSAnNzggQiB5ZXN0ZXJkYXkhCiAKCkkgdG93ZWQgaXQgaG9tZSBmcm9tIE5ldmFkYSB0b2RheS4BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Andrew Lundgren , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bought a '78 B yesterday! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Congrats! What kind of shape is it in? Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Andrew Lundgren To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 11:41 PM Subject: [Mgs] Bought a '78 B yesterday! I towed it home from Nevada today. Time to get to know the new one now! Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 10:33:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C5F427E5 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7105440442 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 10:24:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:21:48 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:21:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2013 16:21:48 -0000 N1nvIv598Q95Or.9OJu1EQnOxqQRYsvJCVqRxXT9cdqxiylRXxg3sOBsBx8c YDWQCjTlxKtew1mSuh3._nRWA5OrTbks4_bW8U6afgFMPzPvfJhb9Q4v9oX7 ZUkx6t0tTRVt2KdvfCaf4rZjAbuo0.Q8qefnC.VVvA1ej2aLNqDSwy5z.BdR zcwNj.NN8DNfNQNK_ufOEsUOA3LyMjoohmUZ2Y20CLwtvGvE_vtGj80.b8FA DySe6C.6qX0cWPJvObuD.8iy_Y1MVBoojhSen33.P5.FvD2H3Fjz_7w2Wnb2 juMo46keaNO31NFEZnAfSj8CKFxkeWPbwF3qy8bL7kf6EVVKevxvnecqTH8C _mUL1QgAjTQNzZYNOUDuLiPld5pZmpvEWRl0BFhf3zgSFYsI23aZPHaV_Ohm UbpoQcK05Ukt9yiUPeBsKUJg2w.B1H3V09kcKgHmq smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2013 16:21:47 +0000 UTC From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:21:46 -0500 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] delayed oil pressure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I might not be describing this well, 15 seconds may be an over statement but the delay is too long- long enough to cause a knock-- the knocking isn't there all the time. -Wear was suggested-- it had a rebuild (over a year ago) and I have really good oil pressure 40 to 60 pounds -- new oil pump.... -I don't think a spun bearing would cause low oil pressure at startup....correct me if I'm wrong but I think the knock is a symptom of low pressure at first. -wrong gasket was suggested but this developed-- didn't happen year ago. - The oil filter is the early hanging type so I don't think it is the filter. If the filter simply bypassed, I don't think that would effect oil pressure - problem with oil pick up or gasket? hmmmm --- -- could a stuck open relief valve or way too weak pressure spring cause this? If it were open the pump might have to get to maximum output before I got much pressure.... What do you think? On May 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > All you gents have missed something rather important, IMHO. > > > ...but the knocking precludes that. > > > As in rod or main knock ?? spun a main bearing --- # 3 or 4 ?? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 14:44:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14CA40548 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A06B40410 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4DKe0Lh018459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:40:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:14:12 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Inspired...or shamed Thread-Index: Ac5QFm7gY91MPdQa4UywdIo+gmHxvg== Subject: [Mgs] Inspired...or shamed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ...by Rick's litany of progress, I actually made an improvement on my MGB this weekend. Since before I owned it (at least 25 years) my 66 MGB has sported a 1973 grill. It was somewhat damaged, and recently the badge disappeared. Saturday, I was looking at it and a light bulb went on -- somebody once gave me a damaged Mk. 1 grill -- maybe it has a badge. A brief search in the rafters found it. It actually wasn't bad -- better than the 73, for the most part, except the pot metal center post was broken. It turned out the post is interchangeable. Some twisting to straighten the surround, and a quick swap, and I finally had the correct grill on the B. I think it was smiling at me... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 16:05:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C094F42576 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D650A40430 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id k14so6757910oag.36 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to :mime-version:content-type; bh=8hIZgG9Zp6KKJqUpfAD8H4yvVWdIN2marmVW8n9xyyE=; b=d3NxWkg/ozu7dgu6Aobcl0Rr9WLY+v1X1tXL1cNVop2ZRw8Yq8Z2u3c7ikFYh0AAsT UGBs4w5VEoeahNieo1O+d2GM0HcF5DMHxDP3K07HTUXf2MuiX1tNGeGrTtsxxFPQuJmz 4Kdg6+mzV/CwxUtRCpRup+/dcK+AtGOYAJWgsSbzFkMgqhOJE2sM2sbCwikLhCjbkE0y fdxEmrSHPI4X+PIg8lFzw3PLJylvZagUL+CmqmYZAzo3B6BLecPRS8889GvGn9xm25eL szLGMxk/hv1L+VppZ7PiPoPMNg6fRchInFPwsArNphMLDqginY2sqUEWSaY6pSXLbZZn UJ3A== rh4mr10484521oeb.97.1368482532201; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eq4sm18439184obb.5.2013.05.13.15.02.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 May 2013 15:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:02:08 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mvheim@sonic.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Inspired...or shamed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Congratulations! B And thank you for the kind words. Today's update coming shortly. -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: Max Heim Date: 05/13/2013 3:14 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Inspired...or shamed ...by Rick's litany of progress, I actually made an improvement on my MGB this weekend. Since before I owned it (at least 25 years) my 66 MGB has sported a 1973 grill. It was somewhat damaged, and recently the badge disappeared. Saturday, I was looking at it and a light bulb went on -- somebody once gave me a damaged Mk. 1 grill -- maybe it has a badge. A brief search in the rafters found it. It actually wasn't bad -- better than the 73, for the most part, except the pot metal center post was broken. It turned out the post is interchangeable. Some twisting to straighten the surround, and a quick swap, and I finally had the correct grill on the B. I think it was smiling at me... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 16:37:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D110425B6 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938F340075; Mon, 13 May 2013 16:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x16so5733744vbf.10 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:34:52 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=30uisXPHdPHX6PaQUVEN15P5tnMn1FVi3iclylzTGPw=; b=VYeWmLl5CyPFPWlHGcRbQccfMdF8fbXEipYxuX/lC7QZfy5akAolwom+JQzs1fScWG IQN7k6EVTcAw36iRd7Y4C6dyF7TrcDzHIGgME2YVn9FnDllu3OWLOuoAFIGm36Pv6weV h6M4ZB3DMq8qrq79VxAOlxpl4XXoaV3cHqjK2LiPMnaC3rsIS704tjqPY681+6H25m6d v467oJOiw5tLzgoGwaiuRoFITzw1TicNiJpJFNECvKPr9Ke76Umwupy7qCgajO7cyDMR ktfTkSkQfDKiXqDv2qAOu3lGlTCyaLTp6v8y277xcptO0ikNJlH9QuCUvRFpwfsrFYQe hq8g== hd9mr20174277vcb.19.1368484492081; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 15:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:34:51 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Working on the body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Today was a good day in the garage, but it started out kinda weak. Please allow me to explain. The first quest this morning was to load the right front and rear wings, plus the a running board, into the SUV and headed off to the painter. A quick stop for coffee had me in a nice mood. Upon arrival at the paint shop, the guy met me out front and said, "My boss told me that we're not taking in any more work." When questioned further, he stated that he didn't know if that was because guys were going on vacation, or if the shop was closing! Either way, I don't have a painter - right now anyway. Not to worry. Lots of options here in Houston. I did get a chance to look through the PPG color book and found the closest thing to Autumn Red that they offer. I then went to Tasco and bought a quart of that color in their ShopLine product. Its a urothane paint, single stage, and none too expensive. I've used it before and its just fine - especially for a car that was originally painted with gawd-only-knows what kind of paint. Back in the garage I decided to work on the body some more. I stripped the rest of the paint from the tub (except for under the bonnet) and sanded the metal smooth. I then applied a coating of MetalReady, just to coat the steel with zinc. While it was drying I went to the passenger side sill to prepare a thin coating of body filler over the surface rusted metal, now cleaned, zinc coated and ready for 'smoothing'. Here's a picture of the sill with the filler curing. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_144658.jpg The wood behind the metal is quite sound so I'm okay with this solution. After sanding the filler smooth, I applied a coating of primer. Here's how it looked with the primer still wet. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_155537.jpg And from another angle. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_155555.jpg And yet a third. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_155602.jpg I also did the same process on the driver's side but in that case, the repair was just a small spot. Here's how it looked with the primer starting to dry. The repair is right above the running board mounting hole. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_155831.jpg Of course, everything will get a nice hand sanding with #220 paper before paint, but its nice to have the bare metal covered and protected. In between the various steps, described above, I cleaned and refinished various mounting brackets (e.g. the horns, starter switch mount, etc.) and the headlight dimmer switch. Here's how the dimmer switch and its mounting panel look after the cleanup. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130513_152039.jpg Spray can 'gloss black' dries to somewhere between gloss and matte, despite its name, and that makes it perfect for these bits. And with that, I swept out the garage, pushed the car back over out of the way (4-wheel casters are GENIUS!) and pulled Nancy's SUV back into the garage. Happy Monday, after a frustrating start, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 20:45:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD00840434 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5EE40425 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:45:40 -0600 (MDT) cv=asOxBwkBAZGV0T+WtrXzpfep39GF0kV392HEIHOPyDY= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=RDCZYGFenDwA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=cCUPHqlmqMOrZPmSi6kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=pRJuOx5jiB6t3537ZISuUw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.32] ([72.172.26.32:51598] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C6/0D-08543-EA4A1915; Mon, 13 May 2013 22:42:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:42:49 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Duvall Video Productions References: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm convinced that the problem is that the oil in the galleries leaks down when the car is parked for an extended period fo time. In the case of my '69 B that means more than two days. I believe that if the oiling system isn't hermetically sealed while the engine is shut down, air gets in and oil drains to the pan. Result: no oil in the main gallerie untl the engine runs a bit, the passages fill up and the pressure comes up to normal. You hear the almost dry rod bearings rattle until they get oil. When my B has sat a few days, I crank it for 15 sec or so to get oil up in the galleries and build the pressure before I choke it. Then when it starts, no rattles. If I drive it every day I never have to bother; no rattles. It takes a while for the oil to leak down I suppose. CR On 5/12/2013 11:23 AM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: > I've seen the subject of delayed startup oil pressure on here which I have > been experiencing on my 65 B. I have had to turn it over without the choke > but it takes quite awhile to build up pressure- 15 seconds or so on running. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 20:53:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249B5426BC for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:53:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D6140420 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:51:53 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=FWlxHIoEnSsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=F8kWvtp1T3nfYuULjG4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=pRJuOx5jiB6t3537ZISuUw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.32] ([72.172.26.32:51635] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id ED/32-05157-326A1915; Mon, 13 May 2013 22:49:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:49:03 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: "Robert J. Guinness" References: <51901C2F.3030308@stclegal.com> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA generator bracket failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net When I ran a repair shop the most common cause for this failure was that the belt pulleys didn't run in the same plane. Careful attention has to be paid to ensuring that the pulley are aligned and not cocked. CR On 5/12/2013 5:48 PM, Robert J. Guinness wrote: > My MGA 1600 seemed to be overheating a bit more than usual at stop > lights. So I opened the bonnet and lo and behold -- both the water > pump and rear brackets to the generator had sheared off. What could > cause this? Do I need to (or should I) replace the water pump or can it > be welded (after removal)? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 13 20:54:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0359440548 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256D54032A for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 20:52:34 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=iESodO0rqzsA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=JDwokPG7AYj7HWoLcpsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=pRJuOx5jiB6t3537ZISuUw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.32] ([72.172.26.32:51640] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 8C/E5-12276-C46A1915; Mon, 13 May 2013 22:49:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:49:45 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Andrew Lundgren References: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bought a '78 B yesterday! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net GoodOnya, Andy! CR On 5/12/2013 10:41 PM, Andrew Lundgren wrote: > I towed it home from Nevada today. Time to get to know the new one now! > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 09:09:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E841140424 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout10.eigbox.net (bosmailout10.eigbox.net [66.96.186.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD27E40078 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan02.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.2]) by bosmailout10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UcGoQ-00024J-Tp for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:06:46 -0400 Received: from bosimpout03.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.3]) by bosmailscan02.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UcGoO-0004jc-Vg; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:06:45 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp12.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.12]) by bosimpout03.eigbox.net with NO UCE id bqxz1l0050FdZ9W01qxzi3; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:57:59 -0400 a=sbBsz8aCF7touWXhlFpScg==:17 a=Qd0dgZ-1Fk0A:10 a=Ux0RRTDBqMIA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SwN5TLA9AAAA:8 a=tK-3A-kt7IwA:10 a=__Q_DzaWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=FB3knfxTS5tQc_vjqr8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=D84K_-FTinQA:10 a=yCNigIE0waoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ZT52fCVUMp0A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=PrzH1Fi9JD4A:10 a=wx0GOVZTcu8EuaXTIXj3VQ==:117 Received: from adsl-69-224-218-18.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ([69.224.218.18] helo=sportscarsltd) by bosauthsmtp12.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1UcGoO-0001Ob-QJ; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:06:45 -0400 From: "Michael Singleton" To: "'PaulHunt73'" , , References: <23504C36E3864129B2116618083627AD@paul> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 08:06:40 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHtNtOulrmLmhYc1KCiQiYwVu+2UZjG+o8w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB wiring harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul; Just looked at my '69. The harness should be long enough to extend to just short of the bonnet latch area, ie, the middle of the grille. At that point, the leads from each headlight, running and turn signals join in. the horn goes to one and from there, by a sub harness, to the other horn. Mike Michael Singleton Sportscars Ltd 10170 Croydon Way Suite M Sacramento, CA 95826 (916) 366-0330 mike@Sportscars Limited.net -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PaulHunt73 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:36 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net; MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Mgs] MGB wiring harness A pal has a harness for a 1969 but it seems to be for the ultra-rare 'Cyclops' model! The harness stops by the right-hand headlight, where there are six wires for the lights plus two wires in a tail for the horns, there is nothing going across the front of the car to the left-hand headlight. He does have a two-wire sub-harness which looks like it is for the second horn, which was optional until 1970 so I can understand a sub-harness for that, but should there be a sub-harness for the left-hand lighting as well? That seems to make no sense. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mike@sportscarslimited.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 13:54:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092C640415 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D277F40400 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fa10so814730pad.33 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:51:31 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=462qmzmROMKTkzy/qaw5opQ4GP2BybPyRLelUIXp4GM=; b=ges6VOSslzQrKYenKmBzAXa9Jq5huPtJFizy8IxihgCYe0vP4/umlifV4UMPsBVroB A7rfg8y7Jtp7Tz+00EjSnVBbZZ3YIn5U2uJi1iTIt0BbADeOLN8lJQfQNPq0Nye2/WiG H0GpDUtFijViYbz3QmQnpxfPVkhm3bzW2nhLozzhouFGsW9G7uQrotaUzNcIFGF0mCgB vg4da0MPvKP+O8wGWLz5PZgY5MM1kCJIvc7J3Sh7gEYhKcEIlallXWfM2kArbHZb2mJq LSMIEmbEI/Vibw5cGP4lG+rJ0JnkX2N95C5lP8Ybpy4v2XPWc4aEWK71jReoNA4b3YtB Gilg== cv1mr2034190pbc.209.1368561091403; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iy2sm19323957pbb.31.2013.05.14.12.51.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:51:27 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The '78 B I just bought came with one set of keys and a story. The guy who was keeping the car for the guy I bought the car from lost the keys. They called in a lock smith some time ago to make a replacement set. He didn't have the correct blanks. Rather than order them, he made some out of what he had lying about that could be wiggled about into the locks. I want to get the correct keys now, but am not sure where the lock series numbers are located. Do I pull the cowl off to get to the number off the lock, or is it someplace else? I can see the pattern well enough by looking at the key I have, but as it is a jimmied (my apologies to any Jim's out there) key, I am not really positive the key will be any better than the one I have. From Mosses page here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder=50 It looks like an FS to me... Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 14:07:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463B440333 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78334032A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 16so1982662iea.17 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=rETHTIEuQb+ZMQ2Oh969HUb76B0L6LeoTgaohLwnQaU=; b=LUGNWvK3zhG0Q8yY3RP9KZStutM77L08drm3Z51rP7uYyre+sByufiJi55PJT2ASaG OHBTQ/z8+SVUwZ8PBbp5HP8rEN+1jDJ46auVi12HAkRRBe4CzUEWXoxI1VMmX1/3nJUz GduQamTdlrj/taGX4n6kEQBGo3y4OLW1QWG3B5wQKLLK4t53Pk8vUuViQCHpRyYnoNdi aHobYPh2tDBsLtRGuO+00ymB5Z/lHgROTaOmTIwnjKNoT4ZaPZhk6Lvzku3pa1djtOMu P9ppgsua3tPp3dVGnEeGcQNgg6qEZeR42fooSHH6r81W5oJLDObBEU29gbHqbNFTcEiE JmKA== ng3mr3382247igc.43.1368561885256; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.28.94.123] ([155.70.23.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d4sm25524078igc.3.2013.05.14.13.04.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 13:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:04:43 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MG J2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Cool little video. Love the J2 pulling up next to the gigantic Rolls. http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130513/CARNEWS01/130519926?utm_source=Daily Drive20130514&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=missedarticle3&utm_content=2013 0513-Watch-a-ridiculously-tall-man-extract-himself-from-a-1932-MG-J2&utm_camp aign=awdailydrive Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 14:10:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C1940514 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA6D40333 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.251] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2013 20:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 91276 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2013 20:07:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368562045; bh=SfeMB9iTOAs3b+H7NNJio20LRA20lZGX+w49kXXktvU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0Ln2MTbLTQitYya02ELUe16xL7wOF3BibmqTk9s/cWafxKZDqe+xZDPSZwTpNLNr28GanmgQ1TeZtb4qO329GxXq8uHQ0+bFHMGR06GlF1NZBBVKpTcH6bEFUfZQ84C2VP7jaC9gDa099O8w4nRdM1UB0cvF6UchNuIhqt/YQH8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B9wIJ0c+a+lYNXK6UKl4nkHr+u3wOakxBN7GmTQfBmsqFfsWq5H1WIktIObUB++b+QEx84+clQJZxW1NIeiRGjdeCqEuiQxTXLWn0PqttqRmgkqYAUFkYaYc2rSbizWtABIzVSSuf4D0DmPe+UB58EDc1QeREemI1XppF/aajUM=; zHa3OUyYXzorpddhzhZTbzoVr3hCXgpHUQjfl8RV3bWrrpwQDm_tLVbQoRUo fAjvG53Qe6cxTwv7ioKwXdhneFuXjx5EahlqTl6rjk42CioeVBMw6.bA2r7Z OJ5ebFhUoid_s79UOoIddlRmiYjubUyGxbdFVxnc82SsezVqBS0PmYR9mYLu tHTP4w5Fq6SPA8FGeW62IjnccJ5.UJNBE0P1bEXRN9NT8nbl804pPW8odnIz F8tHdRTw5HEQkDg7grWN4J3Hj74eN6o.sU3MLX7oqj0rlbyyWtTEZbOckKWi wID6b1eqSOboF44QZVUEvfevPLbV8FJmWb6AcImV4EihPlgZLlE71T_7rscR ydt.0w4.xB2BBoZeA1f7DcYXJZ2tpwYnsRvJAtKDedDRcfuaubIPrfz0L8il 4nX7fcjSsiFKCcAMEE7C3ySUdRF9fWlGGA9QcDL7.7u07i1GMI72XRZGbKH1 haJCA.sWvzitN5PzXwBZIinTCbPSlBzTt69IzuHqtKUmGKhKCjAgfU4IYEO3 o_zs8T2yxZhave3dLScKjBfnBac2khM5VwpFxSLeDgVKDgGB8BpoAgARAqJt MO41y40obNawPD9YDXbSan3S1uJ8rT1DP2uj96PTBNRaJCA-- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:07:25 PDT R29vZ2xlIFBldGUgR3JvaCBpbiBFbGxpY290dCBDaXR5LCBNRC4gSGUgaXMgdGhlIE1HICdrZXknIGd1eS4gSGUgc2hvdWxkIGJlIGFibGUgdG8gaGVscCB5b3Ugb3V0LgoKRGFuIEQKJzc2IEIKJzY1IEIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBBbmRyZXcgTHVuZGdyZW4gPGx1bmRncmVuQGJ5dS5uZXQ.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFR1ZXNkYXksIE1heSAxNCwgMjAxMyAzOjUxIFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZ3NdIFJlcGwBMAEBAQE- References: <519295BF.5080902@byu.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Andrew Lundgren , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Google Pete Groh in Ellicott City, MD. He is the MG 'key' guy. He should be able to help you out. Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Andrew Lundgren To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:51 PM Subject: [Mgs] Replacement Keys The '78 B I just bought came with one set of keys and a story. The guy who was keeping the car for the guy I bought the car from lost the keys. They called in a lock smith some time ago to make a replacement set. He didn't have the correct blanks. Rather than order them, he made some out of what he had lying about that could be wiggled about into the locks. I want to get the correct keys now, but am not sure where the lock series numbers are located. Do I pull the cowl off to get to the number off the lock, or is it someplace else? I can see the pattern well enough by looking at the key I have, but as it is a jimmied (my apologies to any Jim's out there) key, I am not really positive the key will be any better than the one I have. >From Mosses page here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder =50 It looks like an FS to me... Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 14:12:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8554044C for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8703F40357 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4EKA0sx026165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:10:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:01:52 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Thread-Index: Ac5Q3eA2SFrQSDkFmU6Jj5xpP3jaNQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Seems plausible -- that profile matches my set. But it's not like you have to be too accurate. My 66 MGB came with three keys -- glovebox, gas cap, trunk -- all three of which work in the ignition. None of these unlock the doors, however. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/14/13 12:51 PM, Andrew Lundgren at lundgren@byu.net wrote: > The '78 B I just bought came with one set of keys and a story. > > The guy who was keeping the car for the guy I bought the car from lost > the keys. > > They called in a lock smith some time ago to make a replacement set. He > didn't have the correct blanks. Rather than order them, he made some > out of what he had lying about that could be wiggled about into the locks. > > I want to get the correct keys now, but am not sure where the lock > series numbers are located. > > Do I pull the cowl off to get to the number off the lock, or is it > someplace else? > > I can see the pattern well enough by looking at the key I have, but as > it is a jimmied (my apologies to any Jim's out there) key, I am not > really positive the key will be any better than the one I have. > > From Mosses page here: > > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder= > 50 > > It looks like an FS to me... > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 16:15:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EE240433 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7982640333 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:15:23 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=QMdN11biAAAA:8 a=siOdEGDFjscv1RJpQ5EA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=pRJuOx5jiB6t3537ZISuUw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.26.32] ([72.172.26.32:51330] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 2F/84-12276-0D6B2915; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:12:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:12:27 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Paul Root References: Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG J2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The moral: Never put the top up!:-) CR On 5/14/2013 3:04 PM, Paul Root wrote: > Cool little video. Love the J2 pulling up next to the gigantic Rolls. > http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130513/CARNEWS01/130519926?utm_source=Daily > Drive20130514&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=missedarticle3&utm_content=2013 > 0513-Watch-a-ridiculously-tall-man-extract-himself-from-a-1932-MG-J2&utm_camp > aign=awdailydrive _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 16:31:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515AC40452 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D01F40400 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 16:30:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ht10so1234410vcb.32 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oxRAozqcwPZjI74iBH5EEYWoFyn30x7/7gdarni2MOA=; b=T5qb98guAqbrvVsXt3JLRgpyxLS204hVXDgzO+j9TvD59LmxWom+bLAeuTWV80i6j4 kVcoSOiWRDI1EVku/S3CSL9zpy4r7BCkqPzkQiaCf4RMKIcFMREB3rrHyzOdkkjs2YtF oSOU6fcS5M3sY/FHfK8rbKKtSTsGJZNFnvtFdC3j82JWaxoKCqTWQ5TL2GO8FrnDFHs1 YQ3aVoPLSjIspGCMAI+/FIBU9HUv1fqfuAp5foPR7E/u0RcwKmxa27lZ6BhNm23UcYLD TjQjbJ2joZ8nJ735ICzOEqQdigb+b3F1/oLqyN2ybcQqK9BdqMb11IaQFYIOH59fuaTt 2psg== bg8mr12997116vcb.35.1368570474196; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <519295BF.5080902@byu.net> <1368562045.90514.YahooMailNeo@web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:27:54 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: Dan DiBiase Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.mgexp.com/phile/1/182525/key%20profiles.jpg for key profiles - but you probably already knew that. -rick On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Google Pete Groh in Ellicott City, MD. He is the MG 'key' guy. He should be > able to help you out. > > Dan D > '76 B > '65 B > Central NJ USA > ________________________________ > From: Andrew Lundgren > To: > mgs@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:51 PM > Subject: [Mgs] > Replacement Keys > > > The '78 B I just bought came with one set of keys and a > story. > > The guy who was keeping the car for the guy I bought the car from lost > the keys. > > They called in a lock smith some time ago to make a replacement > set. He > didn't have the correct blanks. Rather than order them, he made > some > out of what he had lying about that could be wiggled about into the > locks. > > I want to get the correct keys now, but am not sure where the lock > series numbers are located. > > Do I pull the cowl off to get to the number off > the lock, or is it > someplace else? > > I can see the pattern well enough by > looking at the key I have, but as > it is a jimmied (my apologies to any Jim's > out there) key, I am not > really positive the key will be any better than the > one I have. > > From Mosses page here: > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30369&SortOrder > =50 > > It looks like an FS to me... > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 19:19:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426EB40427 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F038C403EE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-175-196.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.175.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4F1G3ES008769; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:16:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:16:34 -0500 To: Paul Root , mgs@autox.team.net From: Barney Gaylord References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG J2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net We know this guy. He is Scott Fohrman, a member of Chicagoland MG Club. I sent him the link to the video. We have more pictures of him and his car (along with a bunch more MMM cars) from 2002 here: http://chicagolandmgclub.com/photos/abingdon02 Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA wih an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 03:04 PM 5/14/2013 -0500, Paul Root wrote: >Cool little video. Love the J2 pulling up next to the gigantic Rolls. >http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130513/CARNEWS01/130519926 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 05:03:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437E740434 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 05:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861B9403DB for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 05:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20130515110027.QXW27949.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:00:27 +0100 Received: from TomVistaPC ([82.15.7.85]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20130515110027.NPQW22880.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TomVistaPC> for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 12:00:27 +0100 From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: References: <6AE3F102-B903-44D9-9794-CA0FEB86A5BA@ece.rochester.edu> <201301300216.r0U2G9Su016315@nlpi176.prodigy.net> <4D95A7E596FA43D3A4EC51E11676E9AC@TomVistaPC> <201305031729.r43HTfPf022734@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:00:26 +0100 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=qJSTaHS7k8gA:10 a=mbZ05ln8AAAA:8 a=Y8zFLyjBAvXtl_pmarUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=LpPnDMKVTOyet-fE:21 a=6TsAv7j6Zk106iq6:21 a=Eu4dFRxkqzYu5zFktGEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=dyof4MUX2txBY1JN:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Front Disc Backing plates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, has anyone got a part number or a source for the MGA front disk backing / dust plate similar to the following link for the MGB or will the MGB backing plate fit the MGA? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bek072-MGB-BRAKE-DISC-BACK-PLATES-PAIR-BTB413-BTB41 2-/181123136272?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a2bc7bb10 Kindest regards Tom 1960 MGA1600 1965 AH3000 MKIII BJ8 1988 Mini Park Lane _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 17:56:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2793F4044A for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from co03.mbox.net (co03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977CA40402 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:55:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from co03.mbox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by co03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3bBTwB0tdbzvWpZ for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:52:58 +0000 (UTC) mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTP id 539RePX124368M03; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:52:53 -0000 Received: from ca31.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by co03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.90E) with ESMTP id XID545RePX121192X03; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:52:53 -0000 ca31.cms.usa.net Received: from web04.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.204] by ca31.cms.usa.net (ESMTP/d.mckinnie@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTP id 304RePX112560M31; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:52:52 -0000 Received: from 98.223.189.91 [98.223.189.91] by web04.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer C8.MAIN.3.88W); Thu, 16 May 2013 23:52:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:52:52 -0400 From: "Douglas McKinnie" To: Z-USANET-MsgId: XID304RePX112560X31 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You probably know this already, but many MGB's still have a copy of the original key bolted to the passenger side fender well inside the engine compartment. Douglas McKinnie '70 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 18:58:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485C640518 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E8940402 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 18:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id com31l0021smiN401out5Z; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:54:53 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com ([IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cour1l00o2uHabG8gous4g; Fri, 17 May 2013 00:54:53 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fk20so3663830lab.19 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:54:51 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=LFdz8qovVFk/+kKvjze0MIbCwObMAUntyqlyVHcxcE4=; b=Jq/HRCxeqg5jAia4/ZONOCo2x+ptv80B3kVyExXED10HcvI+Ox/rcJvWg+vCnwRGrc htzh5hBa9FSC+m8eF92kE8VFAHugCKxprb2AkTsWnZlvTLQbYKgug6wjZGvZVKJDJM7Y juqANtWKj3UGVdaiC3FHy/DzP+4Wqx1X5hniQ2hCIzU1jdQ07ScpRVoTyLixKbzTvJm8 a4kudYTlDirA2VSCbSPzN5pAXOCZPtpqpu85CWsAlGPtAvvXtbU8fxjNOCDaMk5duB4G ZH9t6ShM9M9EiGIEvCwSHFvkMc92yhduo1YvT1QGHWVuE46f4HeXwloKZFHoTDCO/kO8 90tA== mr4mr21073368lbb.116.1368752091245; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.150.197 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.150.197 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <521RePXz16832S04.1368748372@web04.cms.usa.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:54:50 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: Douglas McKinnie s=q20121106; t=1368752093; bh=LFdz8qovVFk/+kKvjze0MIbCwObMAUntyqlyVHcxcE4=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=QwRD1bv+ubBzgrXryYppK0Lkmfk1yiRSjiwxeiASVqf0AZ8qLJovXiHGLzjVNWAdL N/7eYuKs/0shbkX6WnSp5IKadOK0kfFqxusAlgoaVY9xUX2lz7LbgnK/OvjFRkRm54 xK6mEqZOk9zOTe5FROzlttVB1ZFUFgB5WcOwHRQn/biCsXdIITFkBl4HDNqwoYZGAX sadsZTQdjSPc9vpwleGKx/qglWJ989PuYsSQjtwMOcMqUg47sViaNkYhNSq0Q4epFe FJQNfM/ElrA6JA2nQ743WCQzyrffKYl7CuDr7L8V8G42IODlD7KjByOilN5HffxmLz 3eu0J77ODltwg== Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I had forgotten that. I will check it too. Thanks! On May 16, 2013 5:54 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > You probably know this already, but many MGB's still have a copy of the > original key bolted to the passenger side fender well inside the engine > compartment. > > Douglas McKinnie > '70 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 20:47:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988884044E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 20:47:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DD24044E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 20:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cpEq1l0091smiN4A4qktfV; Fri, 17 May 2013 02:44:53 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-x22b.google.com ([IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22b]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cqkr1l00D1SJ3B58gqksy6; Fri, 17 May 2013 02:44:52 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id ez20so2537959lab.30 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:44:50 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9id/iNLsz4AdmCyL9c91NWE8aoIgRNl3xh97rKWjkew=; b=NVuJVeNNaYeSW7VX7FXy5qoQN8h/vjoY9FoxDqeqZIhPTsAE7KQqFOiWI/NPKQu7Xf 2tUmyysRh6mxs7yLcZVymXmIEX4DrVRCdWKgmVRwifU0/uZfVjYCdQEpbyF+197p9Ckh f3WRQ75UT2xeMbzKhZIk21aIzoVGw8Pq/cAqGJMOjJTRP2jeRg0jeEo3YsYTIeAHRmwP 0LN9K5hG61dOdk7DK8UxkRN/l6veHCmNvkSGA1eYMUCaeKyf6Rj0NtaPY4Abg/KRQut+ 56qyXZx+tqBBvY2EgcrQGyfIbpYqdysnSXWY3ZVD4IVGVlGEssktR/eAN0nNRxCa6t2w bZqA== zs5mr20913262lbb.66.1368758690742; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.150.197 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.150.197 with HTTP; Thu, 16 May 2013 19:44:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <521RePXz16832S04.1368748372@web04.cms.usa.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 20:44:50 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: Douglas McKinnie s=q20121106; t=1368758693; bh=9id/iNLsz4AdmCyL9c91NWE8aoIgRNl3xh97rKWjkew=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=GNFs7aDNh2F/43hiycNlNJhve4DTzN5Eu2emTzpOJij/cOwHnlD8rIP1tV8xqoZI8 p4yEjBgtM48Ub82dh5Sgs2WI1jKosIuHyu1xFNENyaRPIEspv2xoBF8mc385Gm5lfZ b3aT+5rt6N3Bk6BRhPJw486Z0+Pxww4smRWleKXTlq06JJAVphs6QXusbsuHcmdbJY LlYg8YKIzYguaViskMlWnWhKLKix3JotnW3ysJvU3BzkdJArXPhhFX09WahqV7CONu 14nDlg2kQdfhV1GnEzwd8l3oJqQiQQktrOOhdaLr15ae7gXY1v1r8kdkIJvo2eY2RM KAnMYWJVzlWpw== Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No joy... of the three B's I've owned, none of them has had the key there.... On May 16, 2013 5:54 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > You probably know this already, but many MGB's still have a copy of the > original key bolted to the passenger side fender well inside the engine > compartment. > > Douglas McKinnie > '70 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 22:53:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BEA40521 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 22:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D8240453 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 22:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id csh31l0061smiN4ADspy4t; Fri, 17 May 2013 04:49:58 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:640:28:dc43:1329:6fe0:7af2] ([IPv6:2601:5:640:28:dc43:1329:6fe0:7af2]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cspx1l00J1kHs5e8gspyA1; Fri, 17 May 2013 04:49:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:49:48 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1368766198; bh=KLNY0CKirbfZITs1hS+T6oh0na4L+7lzhtKpcpc1yfc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=Y3CUGD43yRpcFwuclHugHnOQlbtxDfE/YD0YqB+apjJz58SVyyjRS+RFGtpaaiUKE bJ3W5Rny8kcX1v1Y5yY4RhivXLa0oB37ZF8UzNWLc3s7YtK+TzWe1v520xedbdbhLP 5KKryTME4MsmRN43vlcIZ2QPQObrA4YhYJho53NA9IBc2Ibz3QPeyNKj07NMqOIBen bw3oQdtNdBQdEEFyv3kGvQAJCl5mQQSB7NrAlL5wb4t7AEyKaBl524O9wsmgkYJ3JX QNBkBKPcnQPaaRswjsJJW+rB+xFPrVIs2jWzm57X9mtgQhpwDYwjc5A0qB5ttCf7l2 Fddbq/w0cwRDw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's funny. In the mid-late 90's I had a 69 primrose B. I was working at a theater downtown Nashville and discovered that the orchestra pit motor control key fit the ignition. Then some years later, I was working in a new theater at Vanderbilt University and discovered that all the keys for the keyboard locks on the Steinways fit my ignition. Neither the glove box or fuel keys would work in the ignition. And of course my ignition key wouldn't unlock the pianos. I've never bothered locking the doors, so I wouldn't know about that. Glenn On 5/15/2013 12:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: Max Heim > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Seems plausible -- that profile matches my set. But it's not like you have > to be too accurate. My 66 MGB came with three keys -- glovebox, gas cap, > trunk -- all three of which work in the ignition. None of these unlock the > doors, however. > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 16 23:00:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6E840524 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456CD40454 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 23:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-189.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4H4vcUX014852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 21:57:43 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:57:24 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16 Thread-Index: Ac5SuwU0acIsv2zgfE2oTuKr27GZoA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think my ignition lock must be pretty worn, because not only do all the keys fit it, I can take them out while the engine is running. Occasionally they fall out while driving, then I have to search the floor to switch off. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/16/13 9:49 PM, Glenn Schnittke at g.schnittke@comcast.net wrote: > That's funny. In the mid-late 90's I had a 69 primrose B. I was working > at a theater downtown Nashville and discovered that the orchestra pit > motor control key fit the ignition. Then some years later, I was working > in a new theater at Vanderbilt University and discovered that all the > keys for the keyboard locks on the Steinways fit my ignition. Neither > the glove box or fuel keys would work in the ignition. And of course my > ignition key wouldn't unlock the pianos. I've never bothered locking the > doors, so I wouldn't know about that. > > Glenn > > > On 5/15/2013 12:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: >> From: Max Heim >> To: MG List >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Seems plausible -- that profile matches my set. But it's not like you have >> to be too accurate. My 66 MGB came with three keys -- glovebox, gas cap, >> trunk -- all three of which work in the ignition. None of these unlock the >> doors, however. >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 06:24:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD74F40527 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 06:24:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B9740402 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 06:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 12:20:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 12:20:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 12:20:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 62078 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2013 12:20:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368793212; bh=3v1wlvAp5l/I635B0J6ywAN4H/DhhlB5JcJUp+g6KRM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f/zImSGp/Z8V+oJ/ODtTL/kw2/6lXCI0213Qhz9XZOwS4TkrgaVJcu0eBfHesIgLUeB0/pcqTA16p35T96l1onCMOm5oo7LFsxWjB0kQJJpbk8zzTD49mmckqkL7GgX+fFFMqMdu8yhIQar/8hOuPSA4SzNT67N9vGRL3xeWYfU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AFKIC7JdMFga4YkghQzGdxH+v+YvklueZ7fjX0u/+OZaqWPn0WEjcKc9yDtpe7i4c9GcFlmruuXc6fBGU8PzIACZydWL01ihELY6hpH5MAtYhm1EwnWJNXKq+u7juTUEmVoUAHn7FMZbVNoNmm7PMNo6vRN2iOYqwVY9GUjXVHk=; TcGHDZPndZDdcV2fqnxjotB1aBRhEagspMWF6fXit9e8jXhga1BFKPBzmOdI A12b5URNwa1idttBcatVnZAGuGuimq2TreGG6V.u1zQOHsig4WZXhG2ul_CI n3NEEE88.WgVS9i9F7nFgrIDr4tu2OkGEAwT6GjADxD9yhOgQCE1Vo_Ly.Ip 5_1UX.D7zwsKD_tuOPzcxaY_63g.jb4GO.H1vDkKZ6mdRDHZyyMi8xbXX.U0 bcm7Yp5fG8TMIvnAOO_YEnF72YUw3fZafCaQmARYFigqELyZrH23.CBNeJFI qk0YKwMst9Lx9iyJH8qrpvnIECJyBEX4QC01bv5GHDvCd2VQGCIkkvk8YDXn DGZJrAYxGMOs2yceakQMJX8TlJyjtYgZnV.pIRzxHFILIGhcgfk94UELTgy4 ALUnb6ddx.NG8xQ0m60DkeCt_Gn6O2fSoOahNB8XMlKBxkin01fvC4j4ruak RzMxFzT8wtzuI Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:20:12 PDT WDIgLSBuZWl0aGVyIG9mIG1pbmUgZG8uIEkgYmVsaWV2ZSB0aGV5IHN0b3BwZWQgdGhpcyBwcmFjdGljZSBhdCBzb21lIHRpbWUgaW4gdGhlICc3MCdzIGFueXdheXMuCgpEYW4gRAonNzYgQgonNjUgQgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IEFuZHJldyBMdW5kZ3JlbiA8bHVuZGdyZW5AYnl1Lm5ldD4KVG86IERvdWdsYXMgTWNLaW5uaWUgPGQubWNraW5uaWVAdXNhLm5ldD4gCkNjOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGEBMAEBAQE- References: <521RePXz16832S04.1368748372@web04.cms.usa.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Andrew Lundgren , Douglas McKinnie Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net X2 - neither of mine do. I believe they stopped this practice at some time in the '70's anyways. Dan D '76 B '65 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Andrew Lundgren To: Douglas McKinnie Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Replacement Keys No joy... of the three B's I've owned, none of them has had the key there.... On May 16, 2013 5:54 PM, "Douglas McKinnie" wrote: > You probably know this already, but many MGB's still have a copy of the > original key bolted to the passenger side fender well inside the engine > compartment. > > Douglas McKinnie > '70 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 12:13:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8474053E for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C558E403D0 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 12:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 18:10:19 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 18:10:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2013 18:10:19 -0000 rdhBD0Pwh6DDujwqPeDWzFOGQhR8.QiBWrx9JdT1cdl5MQx9wSqmgPCpZcs6 zTFYPmZ5WjGBMmF6lYGEnJihSqWFzaK8aLPk.MVZaRjKEwDpNKnp6rQrNSxp lbwki9XZyHUTqkhq1fMOT5DuyxImVyJtIRon0QHTCxlXvVt83EJLOqeh5YnV .ho35fnKWMh.aBaswdwJbDDvLA2p_hvVi.HjW2WJeM_f3MrUMamjpJvyHVrl NLHp6FA0P0DD82_vpjx47qWGSh272pysJjOQiPIJmY_hbUfMWUBdfadzZR1S 9jqpWxOaEKjlG8mCCqJ42yMgF1KygOtws14i36n2oRQ8o27QFqlDAdbMUmXC j3fObtLaXjRvs2P6erAocEviKcFxALVySXoiD2Qxp2gmIezALST6OUH9AdXC BmNTuTQ3lk8nPTcxkwtflHLZJfCnuxzwtC_wTKeJIQHJgpf1Qk5yKbaYKVet vViGMckBR3uM- smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2013 11:10:19 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:10:16 -0500 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] worn key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mine is the same way Max except the only key I can't get to work in the ignition is the door/trunk key... > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:57:24 -0700 > From: Max Heim > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I think my ignition lock must be pretty worn, because not only do all the > keys fit it, I can take them out while the engine is running. Occasionally > they fall out while driving, then I have to search the floor to switch off. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 17 22:24:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC96403E2 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 22:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28860403CF for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 22:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.105] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 04:20:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 04:20:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2013 04:20:18 -0000 zxQb.nnHqSdHkPuC_j2wV4xZGWJvK5J40OEQbJEYo1cj4QaI9T2PK1y20GfP mzTrPLsIA0Kxem0wskVE2rneDiurm6LroWk1opq2VlLpX_v_c2eKTXsOxu1F xaLap6oSI2ZJ9IRzJYys4Ovu8bC0FGef.YMHxY_1nTpGW5rD3YfvmrTctTJN ERbaXLZvTjdRf7Wp71BJs.sh.hG7QhTuPMkbhrstzcdelRJSgnm1FYPSODAm qagCE27Cvt7rzVYn7YgItD0nA0llmk7LTR_PwWvo0sUR_V8vsnfLGQE7kSt9 Re5uXLl3bsSbrexQ08mydZKzLlXenps7hQ36_WRxPOgGxHlzMEO7ePk2Rrsz jr4mx1UiRxGbcSd8KVeGsFOeq6WV.F2xaDa4f6hzN_Dz3J9atjxbSwf1czUV BTs5gYzfJPjP2V9sTI8Ahna16qdNrOYMYKBGyNU00_sMUOPicQNjozZttMnm cqeUG4N8VobGdAVxQWg7OdhA44pRnzzzqkk2IKIza smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2013 21:20:18 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 23:20:17 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Champagne British Car Fest Bloomington IL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone going to be at the Bloomington Illinois Champagne British Car Fest show next weekend? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 18 09:09:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE46C40568 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A44240562; Sat, 18 May 2013 09:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gd11so4339731vcb.39 for ; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=foCIWIJsH2NSCP7t3ntzcN7d0yKQ48LnBQyGUQiTnyQ=; b=xVZwET8rB43fj7S7+2rgdjpGfINYvGTTziNc27yqUsJrjmyqXfqi6lnvzOQCkZqcqg SOvQTkub78O6f2THLr3LzLTS2Csfy4Jl1BXvQN6qCQNvkHxDnXR4iT7X3bjxBrkzVmQG EWL+gj8BD3OWeK9sY9MjiY8BrGR1+VsGM2bp7W7ZeqELt10JcMDxy8Ph5N6IyW7701jM sQQKQYnY/yK2rq0qMT/NYPbwV+NRwtPfnVJjijsATAqM/E0xy4YbURdrBncS3dbJ9Fkw kA1MGmrmM5IywKnUSQ0ZA70IrD48uoha11+PWC8azAH07lDc+VlIVcFMJN7U6/nEfOtN HS/Q== hd9mr31947395vcb.19.1368889393601; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.54.42 with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2013 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 10:03:13 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] A little TD work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, and good morning, Here's a picture of the now repaired and refinished middle access board from over the TD's differential. The old holes have been plugged, the new ones drilled, countersunk, and the the final coat of semi-gloss black paint is drying. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1291.JPG When I make the changes on the mount location, I'll post some more pictures. And just for fun, here's a picture of a pile of assorted rusty bolts - some to be reused, some to be archived, and a few trashed! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1290.JPG Following that, here are a couple more pictures, just for documentation, as the engine tear-down begins. These are taken specifically to answer some of the niggling questions upon reassembly. For example; Which way did the bolt go in? Which end had the lockwasher? etc.. That said, it is a mistake to believe without question, that the way an old car is assembled TODAY is the the way the mechanics assembled it 60 years ago! These kinds of pictures and exploded views in the workshop and parts manuals (and of course, the MG-T List) should all be used together! :-) http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1293.JPG http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1292.JPG One area needing attention is the fan spacer. It is broken and a new piece from Moss will be ordered as soon as I have all the engine parts needs in hand. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130517_101329.jpg Here's a picture of the fan blades with the rusty metal primer drying. Yes, they were rusty but I cleaned away all the rust. Still, rust makes pits and this primer is better for that situation. I also straightened both blades where they were a bit distorted, probably by impact with something. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130517_094605.jpg I painted the fan blades with gloss black engine paint. And as I have said before, 'gloss' paint from a spray can dries to the desired semi-gloss. And while the paint was drying, I repaired more wood and screw holes. Cracks in the wood where over-sized screws were used by some PO, are repaired. Once fully dry, the toothpicks are cut off and proper screw holes will be drilled. BTW, MinWax brand wood hardener does a nice job of strengthening the body timbers - especially where screw holes are drilled. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130517_092008.jpg That's it for this morning. This work was done yesterday. Today, I'll get a little more time working on the old boy. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 11:00:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA7F4273F for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 11:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B626D4042A for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 10:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 16:55:57 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.210] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 16:55:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2013 16:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9218 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2013 16:55:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369068957; bh=JT7JkfAvRTYinc//en+vLKldh6TygOT6lHloACcXlho=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AFJAqlDz24DrRA/nI7A4XCMlACKMppoqbZi+ni38poObA2/kEXhrhlbnvMisPrroflAMzi3DV7lVjwvDHQKkHbUVN7Ouep818gKKXudkDn7UvphvjODzqY3aqZgLKF1V+nSexubKmMR5L80VEGRZ5BWIht2SWZ3Um3vu8bSW+mQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wGziPiqNnkW6pUt0YHyQGCEttFLLIGUTnRkYiwAS428Btr81WqQiQ42DqNPAJFjxXMxukO+YeZlGpkfdKRUNz5pTJv6pZ5IpE10jjByqOr/pQEkC34bVd+xajYYIT+Uqm7LFonhOC6CrXdGjgQFLcDu/UHRT38KvNqdubGW9rh8=; fCUyx8rYXVBxVh0Ls2.kVlh1ifG3pEHbYQEWOghMAAw7BO3PqJOFiXaP36ZX pytgTS2Quo17Ycv6isKVgdYU8AytAK6F.3SGKBKjVYjPGVGMXtmcDHLyrNFd cGK__nAd0WwBy6r6iuHrkNpOi6OMrpDpp0YT0FWpjeg9efVi.7MGrUfz6Y7B iL3gG4HY.0MShoIvU_OtxvlqfdCogsAcdyLYtYPw8dgbIilD1wyKh9CIQ9SN GAf1FiSs452p7SkC_1_5uFnxYLDtitRjbt6Y8QqtvtTRsyiw4jJRTHJ15Fjj XpCxt_CgYYY0b1vUiCGKRNOXk7sc57juotVQXqmIW8sidHflC76kWhlb_4KV YhF_zgNhNx38UM.dBIgBtAsfNGlnE74VZNt0RdOiMgemTXGR8hr.EedptdlJ XsC4tzLgRY0Di_ymMC.9j8Z0PEpnuBisR8w7IeHRu8HZ973gt7DcIx9Z8_7a wVvxnXko- Received: from [50.78.67.10] by web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 09:55:57 PDT T3ZlciBhIHBlcmlvZCBvZiB0aW1lLCB0aGUgc3ByaW5ncyBnZXQgd29ybiBvdXQuIE1heSB3YW50IHRvIGdvIHRvCmEgbG9ja3NtaXRoIHRvIGdldCBzb21lIHNwcmluZ3MuIFRoZSBlYXJseSBNTlIgbG9jayBpbnNlcnQgdXNlZAp0aGUgc2FtZSBrZXkgYXMgb24gdGhlIEdNIGNhcnMuIFRoZSBrZXkgYmxhbmsgQjEwLiBUaGUgc3ByaW5ncyBjYW4KYmUgcmVwbGFjZWQuIEkgY2FuIHByb3ZpZGUgeW91IHdpdGggdGhlIHdhZmVyIHNlcXVlbmNlIGFuZCBkaXJlY3Rpb24Kb24gaG93IHRvIHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgaW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Groh To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] worn keys- suggestion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Over a period of time, the springs get worn out. May want to go to a locksmith to get some springs. The early MNR lock insert used the same key as on the GM cars. The key blank B10. The springs can be replaced. I can provide you with the wafer sequence and direction on how to remove the inserts. The FA and FP lock insert, wafers are no longer available. The lock insert for the FS keys are still maintain by locksmith since the heavy duty cranes imported into the USA. The springs should be the same. At car shows, look for old lock, ignition, glove box, door lock and boot lock to get the wafers for re-keying locks. Kind regards Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD USA _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 13:03:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350A242879 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDC9427FD for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 13:03:29 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=cPU4OB_yhd9xg3ndQ5MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=h4GZV9Cc6w8ErxH8oTAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ir8__jYIzZ1VHcEU:21 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:51155] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 6D/1F-12276-BB27A915; Mon, 20 May 2013 15:00:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:00:09 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" References: <1369068957.5277.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] worn keys- suggestion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This didn't get on the list for some reason so I'm sending it again with an edit. =============================================================================================================== When I bought my'69B the PO had only one key which wasn't original. The local lock shop came up with some blanks that worked. One side of these little silver-colored keys says "Fits National." The others side says "Taylor 71B." Both ignition keys will turn the switch to Run but not to Start unless inserted into the lock with the smooth side up. The key I got from the PO operates both the ignition & boot lock. Never tried the door locks. Why lock a convertible? *Edit:* The key I got from the PO looks similar to a early GM ignition key. It's marked "Cole National" on one side, on the other it's marked "EN2." I just tried the original in the door locks and it works, FWIW. CR On 5/20/2013 11:55 AM, Pete Groh wrote: > Over a period of time, the springs get worn out. May want to go to > a locksmith to get some springs. The early MNR lock insert used > the same key as on the GM cars. The key blank B10. The springs can > be replaced. I can provide you with the wafer sequence and direction > on how to remove the inserts. > > The FA and FP lock insert, wafers are no longer available. The lock > insert for the FS keys are still maintain by locksmith since the > heavy duty cranes imported into the USA. The springs should be the same. > > > At car shows, look for old lock, ignition, glove box, door lock and boot > lock to get the wafers for re-keying locks. > > Kind regards > Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD USA > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 21:48:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CCF42980 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ia0-f171.google.com (mail-ia0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63096400FF for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m19so205035iah.30 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:41:13 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=vPIVpWvr4gCLTMWigFj+m0I9hWjPCbYx+cLPVNZQyOE=; b=FidFk6ZfKLBizlAFx3bhs5trgr3UrFqMTy43CCjgG4GlRTOaf9ljr2lTocHhNewWn2 YC/0/id67uYN9RN+a1T5hDmGnuj9LEnQddGm1CkQTzV4hpaDudZNJoYQ50DcX8W4Wffh +HFXzKF80kUdCCwJKOaTG8kpMIB5VWbi7d1R95YjXo9mPSSoNa9Xnh/o1UbvNnJpPBZy 9q499OrZAttkM5fugiY1ZKzRHVo8Fv5pslyEIpR1DzlvhHWCduqRTTuVkshjUvBQkkVt 0cyJzR9zOiRvkcRCZMi38Evlyv0wLR5vEjT0EvgRVejfEcfpVh+u09EIY/1M9lOBRSrV CORQ== bf7mr7199050igb.9.1369107673297; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (c-67-166-110-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net. [67.166.110.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p10sm14941835igj.5.2013.05.20.20.41.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 May 2013 20:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:41:07 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Floating axle hub seals leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net While investigating the rear brakes on my new to me '78 B, I discovered that the rear castle nuts are loose (finger tight would be an overstatement...) and that oil has leaked out onto the shoes. One of the screws holding the drum on was missing, two were stripped so badly that if they had been tightened at all then I would have had to drill them out and the last screw as damaged, though much less. One rebound strap is also torn out. The drums look like they are in good shape and the brake pistons expand without issue. I am expecting to replace the seals, the drum screws, the shoes and the rebound straps. I am also considering doing the rear bearing since I am in there anyway. Anything else I should do while I have it open? -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 21:51:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB9E42A4A for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDF940042 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 21:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 9so371164iec.36 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=TDsxqmDe2/fcWnAGq295Lni+VWT1Gq4nAXCIWHtJhNs=; b=QE+pLu7RAg7Le/pF1GiGdgH1tNXgMg3jVsO/kpBDq78BeRik867Ymv2KecaHH5XZSA SVFQn+4fapN0bO/ux6SRxWSYTtA7QYQactc5aAK0qPe/FK0u6fXO2qsV7pZTjBq3KCTK EYFHeRmUuMOrbHE9PrIQPQNsOp1t3n9g0xzn9Qkg4TdLlglJ1vH8pxNaaj82Buqf0l5M VpcNFl20UqPuJDbEWHTZZ6KUpFxrLJllfrhzYo5Z4BqhplGy94SfwvUkJq9Wkk0FAZVp wcdpUQi6jYn9ITyk8H43aPVrezyVipZhFJSA82rZc4BvdQBAijxOG8RT0gB5oPAJhJuv Ydsw== Mon, 20 May 2013 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (c-67-166-110-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net. [67.166.110.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p10sm14964053igj.5.2013.05.20.20.48.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 May 2013 20:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:48:02 -0600 From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net One email per question is a good idea right? ;) My '78 has been retro fitted with a single pull electric fan with a temp sensor against the radiator. I have discovered that the relay controlling the fan fried. It still functions, but the wire coming out of the bottom is nearly burned off. (Won't be driving until this is resolved.) The first symptom of the problem was the engined died when the cooling fan came on. While investigating why there was no power going to the coil, I found that by tugging on the harness the power came back on. I heard electrical sparks while tugging and my son noticed smoke coming off of the fan relay. It appears to be wired correctly as the fan does come on when the power is applied. Any thoughts as to why the relay fried? Bad ground? Isn't the point of the relay to pass more power though than would otherwise be possible? Thanks! -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 02:18:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B433240418 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 02:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF5F4038B for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 02:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id a12so172615wgh.35 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 01:14:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=xBCb1YcitDQkcdVgPhH8EGDOY6WDQ0BIv5LPILoEgVI=; b=ns0DUrrJEVePK9/CIkEnQAnx3y6fJClvCQCM8Rrc89yqe7M7P30q5W3B8q+e1wWtg0 B4RRWiuVWy7BmujCJd7ZSrzP4KGs0+tZgtDvLhcYwk2id4ww7O42vJW1xzeenazIsauQ rO6/9q4/EjDh/d6zb+Aj1mVl4Y10NNKPGgqpUH8Drbkq5wZQwSytApppj8Xm/IMsp11s okJMQB1MivD8ZUXj21Uxjq7OZwrKoHHcijC4IIlFk9T+8WIxAYJtCAC7zq2YEreYNGuC 9Z7hN34G4PzIfcGB1i1esg6uTxfM7OeQrB4IoD0hHWhoVIiA+phsOvldQgEqqzAOKQMR YDtA== dz10mr14487360wib.2.1369124084669; Tue, 21 May 2013 01:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e5sm1972630wiy.5.2013.05.21.01.14.43 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 01:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Duvall Video Productions" References: <5191A4A9.9060408@ktc.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:58:59 +0100 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oil does leak down from the system, be it galleries or filter, the longer it is left parked. The quality of the oil filter has a major impact on this, but even switched off fully hot and left for a few days my V8 bearings were still swimming on oil when I removed the big ends and main bearings, so to say they are 'dry' at start-up is definitely not correct. That engine is notorious for low oil pressure and a slow rise, the factory moved the gauge tapping from the output of the oil filter to the output of the pump in order to allay customer fears - but making absolutely no difference to the bearings of course, even so even when just left overnight it takes several seconds for the gauge to even start rising, and takes maybe 10-15 seconds to reach full pressure. Left overnight the roadster is pretty well-instantaneous to register pressure, after a couple of weeks or more it is about five seconds from the start of cranking, having fired up after 3 or 4 seconds. 15 seconds to see oil pressure is way too long. Can you hear the knocking straight away? Or only after a few seconds of running and before pressure builds? If straight away it's likely that worn bearings are the cause of the slow rise. If only after a while then it's likely that the residue of oil on the bearings is being lost before oil is available again, and that is causing bearing wear. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... Result: no oil in the main gallerie untl the engine runs a bit, the > passages fill up and the pressure comes up to normal. You hear the almost > dry rod bearings rattle until they get oil. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 05:03:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A81D40421 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61CC4041A for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2013 10:59:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.248] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2013 10:59:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1061.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2013 10:59:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 886 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2013 10:59:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369133981; bh=PirWeYc7YWMCBpTptO52qY2esQVWFAPRjIO6Dro+bK0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q4w49qBcOza9WWySjUJ5U+HTm60HXJZDXv0yMQW5IK6D4PKx4fy7AFpVx2L79DEWzSEYO3INTXTUcRNwrkv9DRYPFIXjWNpiTCPTTkTLH47qLqEA2VhMARf+w5EnAjfaS37KdrCXzVF3yoBGcwgWXHS3z/MU7TVWIrWY5TqF13A= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tBFLoBnH20ivusAghmyf/cf3Y6bJv0K66iBW2PuZDLs+iL1LkL9HgDG9iVyOIBtdrXId57dKxlOpaEgQ6+gDgxHUhLjW5xGbyGBVAdxfN1y9OJJXVbGVM1igPIrnt0aMHZDtPnLU5xRlgFM3XMlATf6LC2sYpJyrJ5Wja+Jv2eM=; ki9dGLbn.VlPIC3toBp.4_BTPfo9swlOjcyug.NLvhqryQgJ.3UlZkOQpEMR CpGvmmmXtXtxr3WVjmfyFimbOqVfL7vFUjv2rjI02iUfuMwvwsjoDUvk.KDa qW4gCASg868jVUlqft5n.sffxScrzNtdQV_P_BXyJVlOqQEPOTJau0Fg43ch 2NlbTZq2pbbfjn.f6Iphp042EiQ1Kr8QkP5kloTfHsXAG44LpFgpdX_lNo_B GzohoWJi6s0gULmPY_OlwVPnOUuN35C9qXhhC2eEH3W6YyIQ7dZyI8Sg7iNA NVag7cRnqNZbx_ZDJTnPvvzXZp8p9Z11mipsF.Gl6wSbWEUBtKe1Ie1F4x8w xhchf5sWnSak7_VoGHlqIZRTBM85PyJ90r8Irap.8VXa3ObYq.lTmj38BdiF CUjia5DGdW6pLxRsatWhgQBEzswTb.fFL_B8YF63qFpHICGEj4rM1CAKV5DL Bll5ZLzko6Pp9tzMhT42wrNM- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:59:41 PDT TWF5YmUgdGhlIGJyYWtlIGN5bGluZGVycyBhbnl3YXkuLi4uLi4gSGF0ZSB0byBzZWUgdGhlbSBsZWFrIGFuZCBydWluIHRoZSBuZXcgc2hvZXMuLi4uIEVzcGVjaWFsbHkgaWYgeW91IGRvbid0IGtub3cgaG93IG9sZCB0aGV5IGFyZS4KCkRhbiBECic3NkIKJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IEFuZHJldyBCLiBMdW5kZ3JlbiA8bHVuZGdyZW5AYnl1Lm5ldD4KVG86ICJtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQiIDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS4BMAEBAQE- References: <519AECD3.2050009@byu.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 03:59:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Floating axle hub seals leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe the brake cylinders anyway...... Hate to see them leak and ruin the new shoes.... Especially if you don't know how old they are. Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Andrew B. Lundgren To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:41 PM Subject: [Mgs] Floating axle hub seals leaking While investigating the rear brakes on my new to me '78 B, I discovered that the rear castle nuts are loose (finger tight would be an overstatement...) and that oil has leaked out onto the shoes. One of the screws holding the drum on was missing, two were stripped so badly that if they had been tightened at all then I would have had to drill them out and the last screw as damaged, though much less. One rebound strap is also torn out. The drums look like they are in good shape and the brake pistons expand without issue. I am expecting to replace the seals, the drum screws, the shoes and the rebound straps. I am also considering doing the rear bearing since I am in there anyway. Anything else I should do while I have it open? -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 05:18:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF7542736 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:18:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF97040333 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ar20so1093515iec.11 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 04:14:09 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=GZIISk1j6bUJJXyUI5wRjn+jbFN8gB1uKKvx0YBtJPs=; b=RaS3KizCMW4J3chQQu/1uPrA1EeskJVBQot82Gm09cchy+5Owc2iC4hSup3lio5oKA EwG8oKig/SropImYcHInTSP2Vis1Uo4kefaQW1eIjQ0gWzT3p04SFxU6I7YkNUf4dog4 JN4E9kujoqueyu/bM6BFFM3mSGWYSPWk1JeUYIhHU29XUhFlydFKeia83UaaSEGwY8pM vPD/zC9Y0HocavTEeSv+EhGYBgMfTnP45MUKpH3wJAyOvvNjGSTVyfveLb1gcMQ5VX+U LNIXwe6LXgE/5qXRMWq9l/+w0d6hPfLdIpBjQfE0vdZTyLw4hXLONopVoGTLO9SNB55X IZjw== e4mr7925813igc.109.1369134849728; Tue, 21 May 2013 04:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (65-128-236-82.mpls.qwest.net. [65.128.236.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wn10sm16011527igb.2.2013.05.21.04.14.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 04:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Root Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 06:14:06 -0500 References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The point of the relay is to not pass more power than necessary through the switch that controls the equipment. It's to save the switch. You don't say which wire it is. I'm going to guess that the wire was frayed and came in contact with a ground. On May 20, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Andrew B. Lundgren wrote: > One email per question is a good idea right? ;) > > My '78 has been retro fitted with a single pull electric fan with a temp sensor against the radiator. > > I have discovered that the relay controlling the fan fried. It still functions, but the wire coming out of the bottom is nearly burned off. (Won't be driving until this is resolved.) > > The first symptom of the problem was the engined died when the cooling fan came on. While investigating why there was no power going to the coil, I found that by tugging on the harness the power came back on. I heard electrical sparks while tugging and my son noticed smoke coming off of the fan relay. > > It appears to be wired correctly as the fan does come on when the power is applied. > > Any thoughts as to why the relay fried? > > Bad ground? > > Isn't the point of the relay to pass more power though than would otherwise be possible? > > Thanks! > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 05:50:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D750B42731 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F085E40432 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m15so302131wgh.20 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 04:46:45 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=hdUkuaweT3W0mWrpHGJxSUgg3B/UVg9PcMTRvpddRqU=; b=ShI/aEYCFKNgXWL9ibFBbe9rVY32hRUzrB62bkP+vR4tjcix2gar8RdznUPCx6itxw +rtcLKwFF2utgSvL1nujK42RNJX4DBh5K8dxzYIcxp6+BApnhYlHwCG7j8/676t5gpQ7 U6VkpD7Qck17ATQ+tALil5yIiA9GzF7IBI83JApqlxuuVpD2zbruaHe2a3LWslr3HVDD Qv2lcypbi7K+pKd/IBoW3FaPtniX12K+7eKhF9Oi6og/Y6AKxTM52E8dsozXcxkQy4OD HcbBik1oTewrCfn4P8RxtpydFtwaVFIGe0xhSVCcm6yzaOVvux1EFu8VDzGAMTuzJ/I2 LzBA== ng3mr4217583wic.22.1369136805581; Tue, 21 May 2013 04:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d10sm21350384wik.0.2013.05.21.04.46.44 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 04:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" , References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:16:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes it's a bad connection, but highly unlikely to be a bad ground. Any bad connection reduces the amount of current that can flow, and in the process a voltage is developed across the bad connection, and hence heat is developed where heat would not normally exist. That heat can cause damage, but it would have to be in a high-current circuit to do so. The only earth connection in the vicinity of the relay is for its winding, which only takes a very small current, so any bad connection in the winding circuit is only likely to affect whether the relay operates or not, not cause heat damage. The bad connection is likely to be in the fan circuit, i.e. the 12v supply spade at the relay, the relay contact itself, or the relay spade that then supplies the fan motor. If it is the insulation board that carries the spade that shows heat damage then almost certainly it is the relay contact that has gone high-resistance, I've replaced one myself (on a UK V8) for that reason. The relay needs to be replaced, but you should check the condition of the wiring to the relay spades. If that is showing heat damage it may have been from a bad connection between wiring connector and spade, in which case the spade will need to be replaced and maybe the wiring cut back and pieced out. But you have a non-standard setup anyway. From September 76 North American MGBs had twin cooling fans as standard, operated directly from a thermostatic switch in the header tank of the radiator and no relay, unlike the UK V8 which did use a relay. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I have discovered that the relay controlling the fan fried. It still > functions, but the wire coming out of the bottom is nearly burned off. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 06:20:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9102D42727 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com (mail-we0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E25440424 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q56so296158wes.23 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:16:53 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=Eg0A9FPWDnUP72gL2/0f4fTB4seJIJvzkn8fqIAaQ+E=; b=Kv6Pd+XhOWFx6bDBVQppTZMjyRrLUwtMSplYxEEQsjqsSbm7IY//K1c8pNHtQFpGjR vDh75kMbsWZRqW3m+Mk8N61+N2kRFlNbZ3bStM9hIzN0LQsOLspu4Vx5t3eQ083h/YG0 MX/QbobaCu6PvcoBOFdPrj+sRbGTlD9I0ZI77tL/ifVYl8Oub09ujiaQf5bQNw3iH32j 3ZbKwmEwD3Orsr+8lG7hVH2UYZRwO7Jln9BD2r4LlSD7dUKeWqRKS5B1U38Tzw/i6Y5y 1uZkSDRn7YUrkH7Vh4RTUyolDfO4C2D/bscOcNb8X22XIYgWhK7ON+7IhFlIOMYkzXQe Hw/Q== dz10mr16476389wib.2.1369138613262; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b11sm21517554wiv.10.2013.05.21.05.16.52 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 05:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Michael Singleton" , , References: <23504C36E3864129B2116618083627AD@paul> <000601ce50b4$a60fc5f0$f22f51d0$@sportscarslimited.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:00:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB wiring harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well that's another option I hadn't thought of, so thanks for that. However the headlamp and parking/indicator light wires wouldn't reach anywhere near the centre of the grille on either my 73 or 75, and the parts catalogues I've looked at only show one headlamp sub-harness for all chrome bumper cars. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Just looked at my '69. The harness should be long enough to extend to just > short of the bonnet latch area, ie, the middle of the grille. At that > point, > the leads from each headlight, running and turn signals join in. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 06:28:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE6642728 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:28:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED114040E for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id x12so306398wgg.21 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:24:58 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=t3N0B1FHvWN+cpDqXXSv6JpzD3Aq6mwIa4ZVNYHdFeA=; b=I9x6mqeqbwco2Ov/HNyQ/XHfaqzdeigD86CmpadVlf94LpkmnxUQqIvom0XCQl7lJf WUN5kqL4UdcvvDgnsdA7hVoezNp9SJ3ic9O4KtVYrkm3+oeQ2yjf+YlCWxXMbgFQK5rp ju9U5Cx0iqWHWiyRvV4QzZ1IKYnn4j7sB/nvDg/dRdTGsOwXhm4oXqsl0IKHw9QHN86H Wl/tZh/Abnj9Vl1ffcx+WrcgwlkCI/YSF9jYQdslONHrmfvuG44h4+jX1gIgQh8FZvFs RMwnGtAYIrslcQsBsePchZLzgDuBwEB6CAdqY1G8pWW8YQUHjktPib7lHQmEbp/oCrQj wDTg== bx4mr23022878wib.13.1369138611351; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b11sm21517554wiv.10.2013.05.21.05.16.50 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 21 May 2013 05:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew B. Lundgren" , References: <519AECD3.2050009@byu.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:47:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Floating axle hub seals leaking Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If you mean the rear hub nuts they are supposed to be 150 ft lb! I wouldn't replace the bearings unless they need it, they really need to be pressed off and back on again, a much bigger job than replacing the oils seal. If you do replace the bearings then grease them prior to installation, even though they run in axle oil. Check the collar that the oil seal rides on, if that shows any damage i.e. grooving they will need to be replaced. The drum screws are only there to stop the drums falling off before the wheels are fitted, the stud wheels hold the drums in the correct position anyway. I always slacken mine by a quarter-turn when refitting to stop them seizing. Rebound straps are very iffy, nothing more than elastic bands from most places as they have no reinforcing. If you are lucky they will stretch until the axle is hanging on the dampers (assuming you have the dampers fitted ...) but often they simply snap the first time they are asked to take the weight of the axle. Some time ago Moss US reckoned to have sourced correct straps and a test rig to check them, but I've not heard anything more about that. I've reinforced mine with parcel strapping, but there are braided ones available from Strapping Lad, although I've been told his response to emails is iffy. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > While investigating the rear brakes on my new to me '78 B, I discovered > that the rear castle nuts are loose (finger tight would be an > overstatement...) and that oil has leaked out onto the shoes. > ... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 13:45:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF6240442 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 13:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1700E4040F; Tue, 21 May 2013 13:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id jw11so826306veb.28 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8WsY/HSUz28vSQCCCBEjmkdq9xfNqtZpNl+ECmapxaw=; b=YBFPXY+HY4UDU8cHup4RKEhFdnBfXNQdDbuwu5nwv51vJbccINTIwdM4gogHU6SSjl vc8QLWtwYyA0Qqx408QkxOrDB8D2dskohh7GlAZkA+uAZzIYMsiNtPyeZcwPnCZYSrZk vCV87RzV3twKpVVKxjdF6iyo5jFbXEFjhNqBdjnSKLfBlaOcsQjlPQcL57rkM8Z1mxT0 KOwpmM3s/3Tpe+TXSL2lDNw6J9Mz/DKhdltHdOIeY8PM0bC7fKEZ7mIVOZJP40Jqy9Oo bZg+tCZ5QmT6ndz5MZ3k1RaPkpffS6mEY/KmQUf9mnjMNkXz1d4GsA21U2UdfNnLb1Vt FX9g== jk1mr1313779vdb.95.1369165311651; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:41:51 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] small steps forward Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, I spent most of today cleaning the garage. It was an incredible mess - a mess to the point of loosing parts so...it got cleaned. After brushing down the benches and shelves, and sweeping the floor, and after painting the transmission cover... http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130521_100519.jpg ...I went to the 'waiting for clean-up' box and pulled out a few items. The first was the accelerator assemble, complete with the roller, the two pivots and the return spring. It was stripped and repainted black. Its included in a picture I'll reference a little later. The next bit were the pedals. I had previously removed them from the arms. Here's a look. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130521_130631.jpg And here's a look at the pedal assembles after cleaning and refinishing. I'll put the new rubber pads on right before installing. You can also see the accelerator. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130521_134231.jpg Where bolts and nuts are easily replaced with modern sizes, I have done so, saving the salvageable Whitworth bolts and nuts for applications where that thread pitch is required. e.g. captive nuts, studs, etc.. The bolts I used to attach the pedal to the link are about 1/4" too long. Yes, they are the same size as the bolts that came out but I'll replace them with slightly shorter bolts after my next trip to the hardware store. I have also cleaned away the rust and grease from the angle irons that provide the inboard supports for the floorboards. I've also added penetrating oil to the captive nuts in the hopes of backing out the screws whose heads had to be drilled out. And after the attachments are managed, I'll paint these two parts black. Folks, many of you have written to say that they enjoy the ongoing story and the pictures. Thank you. Many of you have offered valuable tips and they are greatly appreciated. And a couple of folks have written rather scathing comments about the techniques I have used. That too is to be expected. However, let me state again: I am not writing to RECOMMEND processes or techniques. I'm simply sharing my hobby with my friends. And that's it for now. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 10:24:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A574E403D8 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 10:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE644009B for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 10:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id wz12so1879674pbc.17 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=dZlgyoUox8cghxo7O1AcSt8+R0lRkfviKKOWl49Z79k=; b=jJEYnFJbI6kNT74UcQJe7ylFj3MTLfAQZQ91XsyMBt2zrmI89f5YzHJ7t1vIBXbWYP gMkv+9etqRgCGy5kBt0ejLZS8013eUMgiNEOPv3qW/kgK5Bk2Q5ou0IRNQrnuMPQgNfV NiwUQpSK1o/VE2sUwtY9esS399iM/kxt1qc51wzhgNX2HL/+paj0BEKQBdWqFF3bJx5t scXJxdS9TXBf7Ss4KJ2o6T/XHpOyG13UU/3DcEQA+u6VI5rQJfsASRWGwZTorzoRbLwY 8rYg/jvxp8wgGdep1GUPnSzadVwqFxIo4TsGTOMML9SBDVHDpRIN2w1T3BOGeROk2MLM GlRQ== vv6mr9121942pab.64.1369239670319; Wed, 22 May 2013 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tb7sm7835848pbc.14.2013.05.22.09.21.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 May 2013 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 10:21:05 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> <26E5ABD00B3341E1AD9FA1877254883A@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think this matches what I am seeing. The relay itself is fried and the connection for one of the 12v spades is fried. That spade is toasted all the way up into the relay. It will actually wiggle around now inside the relay. Here are some links to the relay. Here are two bad pictures of the relay: (one blurry, the other with a flash glare...) http://www.lundgren.us/78/P20May2013Mon_2026-09.jpg http://www.lundgren.us/78/P22May2013Wed_0841-30.jpg And the wires on the bottom: http://www.lundgren.us/78/P22May2013Wed_0841-40.jpg http://www.lundgren.us/78/P22May2013Wed_0841-48.jpg http://www.lundgren.us/78/P22May2013Wed_0842-07.jpg I am concerned that the wire connected to the fried spade has already been replaced once... It is either the initial connection, or this has fried a relay before. -- Andrew On 05/21/2013 05:16 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Yes it's a bad connection, but highly unlikely to be a bad ground. > > Any bad connection reduces the amount of current that can flow, and in > the process a voltage is developed across the bad connection, and > hence heat is developed where heat would not normally exist. That > heat can cause damage, but it would have to be in a high-current > circuit to do so. The only earth connection in the vicinity of the > relay is for its winding, which only takes a very small current, so > any bad connection in the winding circuit is only likely to affect > whether the relay operates or not, not cause heat damage. > > The bad connection is likely to be in the fan circuit, i.e. the 12v > supply spade at the relay, the relay contact itself, or the relay > spade that then supplies the fan motor. If it is the insulation board > that carries the spade that shows heat damage then almost certainly it > is the relay contact that has gone high-resistance, I've replaced one > myself (on a UK V8) for that reason. The relay needs to be replaced, > but you should check the condition of the wiring to the relay spades. > If that is showing heat damage it may have been from a bad connection > between wiring connector and spade, in which case the spade will need > to be replaced and maybe the wiring cut back and pieced out. > > But you have a non-standard setup anyway. From September 76 North > American MGBs had twin cooling fans as standard, operated directly > from a thermostatic switch in the header tank of the radiator and no > relay, unlike the UK V8 which did use a relay. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I have discovered that the relay controlling the fan fried. It still >> functions, but the wire coming out of the bottom is nearly burned off. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:56:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA00942709 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm39-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D583540075 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm39.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:49:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.240] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:49:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 3442 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2013 20:49:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369255749; bh=w5sATEV/U4M9bglK0Qzz2H0yYx1mm8VmDZjC9maUfiY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ULE9FAAZl4sP+RMAXWD8Yc4E1GWWETesyCDH4aKKxHdWLDb4l1guI7JwitfRLZRHA825LnA71Nv+9Wl9Owr1UncVt8ZRKXlBWLRFOF96xloxV4j5dzxwUzUFhLXjcnkI2l4h5r6pAxgVJwVzkioDpOKfKFydW0K21ynR6rPjOfg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4SOAmp+I0vc3NQLbyy0DNJrcWuO/4Q8ToQg98jRQWxhxyEjvCPiVEzmSYNHnniFWNYWpidEFh+w3tI2RYuyK7BF5KKypl4nsz1OH4+RmLWttPPzZ3x8CeLnLtpoVo91omta0VQlQqAWeHzKETwvdIbarxjD6DpRk3VDvUPewf5o=; QCcnkigp7z8OPvGt49APYv9xLgMPu6dXkIb8E58laiS515NoGHRhVQYykl2I 011rbmR117MmWd2X3UPr3xWq.f2wKuyA05YEBheq027zjkY96opNW90OpKeS H1EJuh6.WuhvOzBQko.wnVqpH2h0EMBz2RS6J0WAETN2AVvKCcb0iXfS2zDI 3ZREhiFxq7P6RyFmekr.k62dO16KRKFXUvEgHRI8D.yY4f7sOUyCNMTyDvpk oh531n10u_lnC_7vPkiNcJokkueuI.CZfECjbDJWCngUvZ1.60Y7t71h1C33 vUarSO5EPUXEdmdBtHMMtL3kJ6mHtSX8Gv9.nU44bXGE3iV2L9tM6Pc.RumF THUQd2ho3jBRDgWgkas27VOhKemkw_r52XcvEz69ntsIjzH9JCFaR1onlTqV THsZRfEzpieqbeg_WlGOGBa3VYRs40I5cmC1Alkjyp9mlq0wJHAYFcRif6vz 9cE5SGEm0O9.e4SJpuZVwZMHkyBmVkkfTsu4ADaTv.s5WTLOmJkN_tg9L4hw M4aEbLjch20O90DHxjZQREkPFFEF48.jBBSey6eCHxTdKba4Bi38wLK0- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:49:09 PDT wqBJIGFtIGFjdHVhbGx5IHRha2luZyBGcmlkYXkgYWZ0ZXJub29uIG9mZiwgaW4gdGhlIGhvcGVzIG9mIGFsc28gY2xlYW5pbmcgbXkgZ2FyYWdlIGFuZCB3b3Jrc3BhY2UgYW5kIHN0YXJ0aW5nIHRvIGRvIHNvbWUKdGFza3Mgb24gbXkgJzY1IEIgcHJvamVjdCEKCkRhbiBECic2NSBCCic3NiBCCkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmljaGFyZCBMaW5kc2F5IDxyaWNoYXJkb2xpbmRzYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogIm1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWEBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] small steps forward Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am actually taking Friday afternoon off, in the hopes of also cleaning my garage and workspace and starting to do some tasks on my '65 B project! Dan D '65 B '76 B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; mg-t@autox.team.net; Rui Gigante Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: [Mgs] small steps forward Hi Friends, I spent most of today cleaning the garage. It was an incredible mess - a mess to the point of loosing parts so...it got cleaned. After brushing down the benches and shelves, and sweeping the floor, and after painting the transmission cover... http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130521_100519.jpg ...I went to the 'waiting for clean-up' box and pulled out a few items. The first was the accelerator assemble, complete with the roller, the two pivots and the return spring. It was stripped and repainted black. Its included in a picture I'll reference a little later. The next bit were the pedals. I had previously removed them from the arms. Here's a look. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130521_130631.jpg And here's a look at the pedal assembles after cleaning and refinishing. I'll put the new rubber pads on right before installing. You can also see the accelerator. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130521_134231.jpg Where bolts and nuts are easily replaced with modern sizes, I have done so, saving the salvageable Whitworth bolts and nuts for applications where that thread pitch is required. e.g. captive nuts, studs, etc.. The bolts I used to attach the pedal to the link are about 1/4" too long. Yes, they are the same size as the bolts that came out but I'll replace them with slightly shorter bolts after my next trip to the hardware store. I have also cleaned away the rust and grease from the angle irons that provide the inboard supports for the floorboards. I've also added penetrating oil to the captive nuts in the hopes of backing out the screws whose heads had to be drilled out. And after the attachments are managed, I'll paint these two parts black. Folks, many of you have written to say that they enjoy the ongoing story and the pictures. Thank you. Many of you have offered valuable tips and they are greatly appreciated. And a couple of folks have written rather scathing comments about the techniques I have used. That too is to be expected. However, let me state again: I am not writing to RECOMMEND processes or techniques. I'm simply sharing my hobby with my friends. And that's it for now. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 17:43:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C745642709 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984764054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 17:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:36:20 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.60] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:36:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 23:36:19 -0000 UIOoCJEoE6pPf_olkwEXSdyD8V4JumxjVZ3xWxqEjm._OCOriZBlQh2omvMP KOqvK1S6llFgKWxkHoj7DvN4fYuNfaevvveO83ACwk0QNwDV7oxJ82syerDY XVvWiK_TrAiGURAzDyDX5MZiJ8uOY9VB1m0Ompyx0t8wfvKIAVMt7Hd7a78O yHgzTc0ylNzmwyNp.3SiGzlh3gAo0j2j12PC3wFOBwH1.xTVHnlM4wEk2V5k Qd7GjtoyOFrz0zJ1FysSw9cfWF3PQ9_EYqQOV8oV.MlYfVVHuBvMROHoUPR4 jPBBPc3.CuSEoMDcC6Sx9qXM4Knr.k.fSDmHuyPeE0RBhU7540c91LxXrxYw HucjKKzrJqPfan4bmRmya3ll6b1egS1FHuu3lnYzOYTU35I2ciYPIcn3XKao u4EyG85AcyuB_N74- smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 16:36:19 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:36:18 -0500 To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] another SU needle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think the 158 numbers on my SU needle mean it is a CS1 (teglerizer site) and the factory needle is an ES. The CS1 seems to get richer with higher rpm. Anyone familiar with this needle change? I'm wondering if someone did it because they put pancake air cleaners on it. I put an original air cleaner back on it. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 18:38:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688A54276B for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270BB403DD for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:38:03 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=RDCZYGFenDwA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=nieaUASWuIffCcQfL_MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:49633] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 93/23-05157-A146D915; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:34:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:34:27 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: PaulHunt73 References: <5191A4A9.9060408@ktc.com> <5C7E48E6558D47119E7517F11C9EA605@paul> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, Duvall Video Productions Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Paul, Let me begin by asking if you were responding to an earlier post of mine? If so, note that wrote, "almost dry" not "dry. " What I meant by thet was that the bearings were not floating in oil, as they would have been after a day or so of inactivity. I think the OP was speaking of a MGB 4 cyl engine. That's post I responded to. Yes, in the case of my engine and the original OP's, AIR, if the engine isn't cranked for 10 - 15 seconds before allowing it to start,, the rods will rattle after starting, until the oil flow & resulting pressure comes up. That's why I make a practice of cranking the engine for 10-15 seconds unchoked, before choking and starting it. This is only if the engine has not been started for more than two days. I hope this clears any confusion for you, CR On 5/21/2013 2:58 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Oil does leak down from the system, be it galleries or filter, the > longer it is left parked. The quality of the oil filter has a major > impact on this, but even switched off fully hot and left for a few > days my V8 bearings were still swimming on oil when I removed the big > ends and main bearings, so to say they are 'dry' at start-up is > definitely not correct. That engine is notorious for low oil pressure > and a slow rise, the factory moved the gauge tapping from the output > of the oil filter to the output of the pump in order to allay customer > fears - but making absolutely no difference to the bearings of course, > even so even when just left overnight it takes several seconds for the > gauge to even start rising, and takes maybe 10-15 seconds to reach > full pressure. Left overnight the roadster is pretty > well-instantaneous to register pressure, after a couple of weeks or > more it is about five seconds from the start of cranking, having fired > up after 3 or 4 seconds. > > 15 seconds to see oil pressure is way too long. Can you hear the > knocking straight away? Or only after a few seconds of running and > before pressure builds? If straight away it's likely that worn > bearings are the cause of the slow rise. If only after a while then > it's likely that the residue of oil on the bearings is being lost > before oil is available again, and that is causing bearing wear. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> ... Result: no oil in the main gallerie untl the engine runs a bit, >> the passages fill up and the pressure comes up to normal. You hear >> the almost dry rod bearings rattle until they get oil. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 18:44:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC084271D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3FA403DD for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:40:51 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=LCtI1ukDK18A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=vefR3oSEj5Xg708T4kEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:49651] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id C2/A3-05157-1C46D915; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:37:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:37:14 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Duvall Video Productions References: <4EF16D0B-38CE-42FB-9B7F-068CF4D0B2F1@duvallvideo.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another SU needle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net How does it run as-is? CR On 5/22/2013 6:36 PM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: > I think the 158 numbers on my SU needle mean it is a CS1 (teglerizer site) and > the factory needle is an ES. The CS1 seems to get richer with higher rpm. > > Anyone familiar with this needle change? I'm wondering if someone did it > because they put pancake air cleaners on it. I put an original air cleaner > back on it. > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 19:22:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B61D42716 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:22:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91E64054A for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:22:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 01:18:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.215] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 01:18:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 01:18:48 -0000 _uFYHFdNN5qfe2XFG1N.HoTHASweJnD229X6x1bxiCxagr2d3ljU8tR1.szw I4mhUxmgYLMWYOCSmgyX_sSZSkN8p75aXZKWLy4k1I6C7W8KAlP3EQUjU_iA T6RQ1JHefxqINelrZeNzGBrq_b67b05C20rLXvkv9o6xHM5JLVOhIp8gdeJn 0XKLO4MCvlqpKLTS.bk_A_icKuqr2DayMympVfnVuASkw1s1CZEINNRij40o kbBKxrNu9JqaZGTkALbqHiTc6YyCOdt9amk97LU2RDfu84v4SIYoAcod0yzD pYoplkMLVdlP5gN_Dwd7.tIlPMQQQwfNmF.NNVqPGTR3WMM2UUcItiKiwzjo qwA_nPnJGNH4gKFa6FWJJLV5zl9oGqeIqupXNdudhREuCxC7e7FL9i2EYKFp LrrxlUrAXS6IHuMkMEParWA-- smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2013 01:18:48 +0000 UTC From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:18:47 -0500 References: <4EF16D0B-38CE-42FB-9B7F-068CF4D0B2F1@duvallvideo.com> <519D64BA.4020701@ktc.com> To: ccrobins@ktc.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] another SU needle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net flat would be a good word- sluggish and low torque- I drove another TD last summer and it had much more torque. On May 22, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > How does it run as-is? > > CR > On 5/22/2013 6:36 PM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: >> I think the 158 numbers on my SU needle mean it is a CS1 (teglerizer site) and >> the factory needle is an ES. The CS1 seems to get richer with higher rpm. >> >> Anyone familiar with this needle change? I'm wondering if someone did it >> because they put pancake air cleaners on it. I put an original air cleaner >> back on it. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 02:11:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873914275B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D87A403DD for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u59so1347664wes.29 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:08:03 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=i+0+Sutu4SHhXf044dfHi4SVsvB+Y3VKz7KjUCE66bI=; b=lrYHfcXHdCkv4vGnxlauxe0JpPpO4UDlWSQAZz1fIL8wBOy2QTfXbK6O6pBbWPucfx 73Mw7T89O5ADMjIwUZiMx4oxwnGI+6ty3U3rB1Shma051MNlpS6Fnn6/71LcG3us5Tqi YpgQC8a53VnVY39915G8cvzr/s4Qne+Y8OOxU/EckO5tyK3rvlWNmvnjRYkiG6ZjBbNN 5uzvGMsauzhHXmBnr4sLrdAZ7b62j7SyDffOQ31o+5i0ALnIvllFmS3g9MQzSl2o4P4D /hS4jNmk0hHD7mchMQeXJfsGcL+V65TwBWVBmiTZ0K2Yjc+QigRs0Fsfg55oQQ2lhQW5 LGTw== bo12mr41222304wib.22.1369296483391; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q20sm15833105wiv.7.2013.05.23.01.08.02 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 01:08:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew Lundgren" , References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> <26E5ABD00B3341E1AD9FA1877254883A@paul> <519CF071.9080302@byu.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:47:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'd suspect the problem has happened before but only the heat damaged wire was pieced out, the real cause of the problem i.e. the relay was left behind to damage the new wire. You need to do both, changing just the relay now may result in a reoccurrence if the wire connector is heat damaged and makes a bad connection to the new relay spade. Unless the motor or its wiring has a partial short and is drawing too much current I doubt both were replaced last time. And originally the fan was fused, so a partial short should have revealed itself ... unless that has been bypassed because it did keep blowing because of a partial short! You need to check that fuse as well, indeed that it does have one, as that relay is not standard for a 4-cylinder MGB cooling fan. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I am concerned that the wire connected to the fried spade has already > been replaced once... It is either the initial connection, or this has > fried a relay before. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 02:12:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1342776 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDBB403DF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:11:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hq7so4374436wib.10 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:08:04 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=7izsESQcCyWzQ3a0qbkEUeqmSHcNp/M9uRoKskT0c8E=; b=CR0xm+sOd5jklLXOBTwXhBw3wPsRNT+6JyvFoXV4I9PNHyCFymmUwOZkFM27NJ4uAU 3WgbnAIEG+ejdabOhb5bgL9MS42mRY1+qOQfeAAFSQsFL7yboO5wDs8oEZlo2+VH4V9p 22T+EpN2lgnP/18pWijjlpehuFDzfQFBi7y2GNGouQfspm2eRz19OtoUBva3dsW6lqk4 R0XGPxAT9v/PYVS8CpAR5Rt4xLLqF/b+O4iY9ic5mvgGo6Y53gz+Mf+/IvC+itzqJ8lA m+owJOaKqWJ228fVloaWdQaSi7SmFW2SGotAt6Dt/BKUcTjBqipVbZ8ny1tj0ubA0fLM wSjA== ex16mr41193076wid.28.1369296484183; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q20sm15833105wiv.7.2013.05.23.01.08.03 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 01:08:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Duvall Video Productions" , References: <4EF16D0B-38CE-42FB-9B7F-068CF4D0B2F1@duvallvideo.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:57:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] another SU needle question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I doubt any needle gets richer with rpm as such, but they all get richer as the piston lifts, which is controlled by the throttle butterfly opening. It's that which causes the increase in rpm (usually) hence increasing rpm is an effect and not a cause. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... The CS1 seems to get richer with higher rpm. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 02:41:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB64276D for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5701403D9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 02:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hj6so666034wib.11 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:38:13 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=H4+D0yco6x/zvf4IZVugJxatkBnHdJZZoZNlC6DutIw=; b=EhVa/oXlIEPaH59RZdrgoqC3paH0ZA7Y6zaluRgZPt0HAm17lvCbN8RKUKSrMfS4aD ZL3fpL6kQt3niIEplstlHXQZ1r4bFLSvYXGI8UfYX0lZs9zww+L6n+tNiRp1tMTqNhnQ X6gsmOAQju2Z6SgpJ2LaQUSWiS7j5aJwn1hLnLAW6dhxmjajJW4YW30QITmYBmazXWOa Ts340VwnITIHEQcjHlN4JfpPQWLbPzFGAoz0lSahnvDp2otZKa3hhIzxt1Y7d0RttCAu xuvULGEViICxDb5UQ2cru7sQKuP/y27Xrk7or/JluCEGU98nIMeSwcla7MFZhCK9L5AK gEMA== fe15mr22052987wic.33.1369298293785; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h8sm15993377wiz.9.2013.05.23.01.38.12 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 01:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" Cc: References: <5191A4A9.9060408@ktc.com> <5C7E48E6558D47119E7517F11C9EA605@paul> <519D6413.7040806@ktc.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:08:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net No confusion here. The difference between a V8 and a 4-cylinder is irrelevant as far as oil remaining in the bearings is concerned. Any oil remaining in the bearings by the time it has cooled down, i.e. a matter of a couple of hours, will remain there a very long time. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I hope this clears any confusion for you, _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:45:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F369403C6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout14.eigbox.net (bosmailout14.eigbox.net [66.96.185.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5DE403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan07.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.7]) by bosmailout14.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UfWhT-000167-W3 for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:04 -0400 Received: from bosmailscan25.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.25]) by bosmailscan07.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UfWhT-0005z0-8Y for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:03 -0400 Received: from bosimpout04.eigbox.net ([10.20.55.4]) by bosmailscan25.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1UfWhT-0006wc-MN; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:03 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp09.eigbox.net ([10.20.18.9]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id fSh31l0180BkY8i01Sh3Gp; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:03 -0400 a=sbBsz8aCF7touWXhlFpScg==:17 a=Qd0dgZ-1Fk0A:10 a=Hv2YMykKrtYA:10 a=Ux0RRTDBqMIA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SwN5TLA9AAAA:8 a=P4lLyiiChiwA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=49yvHyuk9Gqpa0wEYBMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=D84K_-FTinQA:10 a=yCNigIE0waoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=PrzH1Fi9JD4A:10 a=wVZuQ0kGYBVA_dJJ:21 a=tECQD8-qdVR9l77h:21 a=+tcVrJynzLVJ9yqDAOBWjQ==:117 Received: from adsl-69-224-218-18.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ([69.224.218.18] helo=sportscarsltd) by bosauthsmtp09.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1UfWhT-0000mh-95; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:41:03 -0400 From: "Michael Singleton" To: "'PaulHunt73'" , "'Andrew Lundgren'" , References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> <26E5ABD00B3341E1AD9FA1877254883A@paul> <519CF071.9080302@byu.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:41:00 -0700 Thread-Index: AQGGTZCNDUfQbCaOpkOIKphUC28qfgKYZL/HAUL7VegBoWia9Jl3AOqA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Small addition to your post. The fan in the North American cars I've seen is protected by a circuit breaker instead of the fuse shown in the wiring diagrams. This being the case, the breaker could reset itself after tripping any number of times, possibly eventually damaging the wiring, relay, or whatever. Of course as you have pointed out, the relay is a non-factory component, and we do not know how it is wired into the system. If the relay was installed taking its power directly from the Brown/White wire, it wouldn't be protected by any fuses and resultant damage could be caused by any number of issues. Note the factory wiring diagram, 1977 Supplementary wiring diagram-thermostatically controlled radiator fan (p. Na12 - factory manual). Michael Singleton Sportscars Ltd 10170 Croydon Way Suite M Sacramento, CA 95826 (916)366-0330 mike@SportscarsLimited.net -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PaulHunt73 Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:48 AM To: Andrew Lundgren; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... I'd suspect the problem has happened before but only the heat damaged wire was pieced out, the real cause of the problem i.e. the relay was left behind to damage the new wire. You need to do both, changing just the relay now may result in a reoccurrence if the wire connector is heat damaged and makes a bad connection to the new relay spade. Unless the motor or its wiring has a partial short and is drawing too much current I doubt both were replaced last time. And originally the fan was fused, so a partial short should have revealed itself ... unless that has been bypassed because it did keep blowing because of a partial short! You need to check that fuse as well, indeed that it does have one, as that relay is not standard for a 4-cylinder MGB cooling fan. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I am concerned that the wire connected to the fried spade has already > been replaced once... It is either the initial connection, or this > has fried a relay before. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mike@sportscarslimited.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:04:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041F540534 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941E4403D0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so775240wgh.33 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:01:12 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=x0irQwNEu/ewqyEzqhJwiJnhxum3pAI7n5B1FtrfSHQ=; b=b50ddCwQrN+XkZBK4VwJIDED0sa73hHZhTJvlhTwExnFOtLrrQPbVBItc5TLMSDnlN bZevTZGTi2Jm3dHBIdtN3ckZZgef4hkwbzzM9oDVl8Eml43ekpPy3HHiA9ic3E5UJkgh PRp8WFLYvMoWA/6p/+Fpp9yOGz/i2a8FRymYpCXhaZOVyBjzxozfJ1e6xS0fI4+ExIK/ fu9pLotxowrHM8glwjVOzdOAn5mCfCL9bAYvyBZLagZFY6VH0ML5cHZ4UyMupj/sA2jj +BNXl0wh3w4roGlT/I7/QB5eVz4VH007jqfL6/mb3lKYYyoxH8JJJ0bIuaVeLI11/+n3 Yh+g== dz10mr38112666wib.2.1369324871815; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cw8sm36591319wib.7.2013.05.23.09.01.10 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> <26E5ABD00B3341E1AD9FA1877254883A@paul> <519CF071.9080302@byu.net> <001001ce57c3$8dc01ca0$a94055e0$@sportscarslimited.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:58:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yebutt ... North American cars never had the relay from the factory. They did eventually get the circuit breaker, but that should be able to switch on and off repeatedly without causing any damage certainly to the wiring. Frequent short pulses to the motor such that it never reaches full speed could cause that to overheat (it draws more current while accelerating up to full speed). But in that case it would give inadequate cooling which should be indicated on the temperature gauge. I suppose if a relay were fitted (as in this case (but see below)) it would eventually shorten the life of that by arcing at the contacts eventually burning them and causing them to go high-resistance as seems to be the case here. But there were differently rated rectangular relays, and using the wrong one in an application could cause either the winding to burn out, or the contacts. I don't know if the same applied to the cylindrical type as here, but as I say from everything I have heard, read and seen it shouldn't have a relay there anyway. It's just occurred to me that this probably isn't a fan relay at all, but the ignition relay. That did supply the fan, as well as everything else. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Small addition to your post. The fan in the North American cars I've seen > is > protected by a circuit breaker instead of the fuse shown in the wiring > diagrams. This being the case, the breaker could reset itself after > tripping > any number of times, possibly eventually damaging the wiring, relay, or > whatever. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:14:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D4040531 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77361403C5; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id jz10so2555149veb.35 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=O1SEMZadj98eKmLcC1JtJSh6Y63pAlzx+8zXYjOvU44=; b=X0aWgmOuYRaoZ0JLhsxOg/51655BcU7FcbkcKpcSrGlwU8bNu4zPEb4ouTXlFn9t4G mdoNc8o8oaoYv+lAXUYm5re0QoY4vR9iqG6wc58125QNqtbYlQCn76KRD+kT8RZZ2Suy tNj55aR8vllw05Z5FHXdfNqIpwg5+REZQgULhL2HtlPBuncTblJUsqTh/7G2f+lbhJyf a9K/ddA2ZASzkX6P2lrUNX91wkVxbyS8HiKhuOalUzTJ1X+vpvPMKwjA27daAxz5+S7L 1kTiEbqiIPrJn7RI9F8qEklQx7d7ZlZNLrNuIKjaClj1nVXXud3SlSMUlQkui60zhVxp BdGg== by10mr5003731vdb.26.1369325185535; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:06:25 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Handbrake and bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, This morning I assembled all the parts of the handbrake assembly (those bits found in the the cockpit only). The 'arm' of the handbrake's chrome was beyond saving so I decided to either have it re-chromed or replaced at some later date. Yesterday I sanded the chrome to rough it up a bit, then applied a high-build primer and black paint. Gasp! Well, for now, it will work and will look okay - just not correct. The push button's chrome was fine and left polished. The handle/grip got a coat of matte black paint. The adjusters are brass and are now nicely polished and clear-coated, while the rest of the metal bits are painted semi-gloss black, including the assembly-to-tunnel attachment bolts. All of the rusty floorboard screws - including the ones whose heads were drilled off - have now been removed from the captive nuts on the angle-iron; those parts which supports the inboard edges of the floorboards and propshaft tunnel. I did a test using another of the 1/4" captive nuts found elsewhere. I ran a 1/4-20 tap through the nut and fitted a 1/4-20 bolt. It fit nicely and was strong. My floorboards will be attached with 1/4-20 countersunk Phillips head screws for $1.50, not $35.00 'correct' screws! You have my full permission to gasp again, as desired. :-) -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:29:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9847B403EF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C18F403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ro12so3086863pbb.27 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=ov52Z5zMXtIRcglpazobvuPjyRf1vSy9bQ75pSNZe30=; b=gbsKEYh0eth9ZSUggqkls95fRTLrtN0OSN3P3o92clp3BDK9362Vkd1O67+YL5+yL1 ZjFjcIk2ur5jzBhrRZt6HuLGXovu0CmbXgpH02RDBicPwgIl055jwtzhWlDT+zmv2+be d+CMawmoRsznxVBjsJLEORNv4KZOu0nyMAz4bsJ80uv1sJWhp2CCHekukDLQgVCYtmsN Br/DOCUuq8ztCgKMZCYZ0fh0XkT3m+Ly/EiHht+JUSImGGJba/Yt6fOWz8YTZpZXYTbs j0t3voKrNexZI+6g8GWus0oLxCgDqrihljsT5Cq+1YzAb7WPS/u9VlsihRevEBm95Mnj beQw== sk3mr13571592pbc.103.1369326190253; Thu, 23 May 2013 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kr16sm13348776pab.23.2013.05.23.09.23.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 May 2013 09:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:23:06 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net> <26E5ABD00B3341E1AD9FA1877254883A@paul> <519CF071.9080302@byu.net> <001001ce57c3$8dc01ca0$a94055e0$@sportscarslimited.net> <04B44A31643B47C4A45F270B377BAF18@paul> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 05/23/2013 09:58 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > It's just occurred to me that this probably isn't a fan relay at all, > but the ignition relay. That did supply the fan, as well as > everything else. I would like to hear more about this... As I mentioned in the original thread, when the fan kicks on the car died. I assumed that the hot line was grounding out and killing the car, are you suggesting that all of the power to the ignition and the fan is supplied though this relay? There is no fuse or breaker in line with the fan (that I saw this morning in my quick examination of the wires before work). The line that fried is connected to the hot brown line in the harness, so I guess there could be one further up the line, but I haven't gotten that far yet. I was planning on getting a relay and other bits locally tonight to get things running again. This one is available and appears to match the requirements: http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Duralast-Relay-Radiator-Cooling-Fan-Motor/_/N-9cj89?itemIdentifier=297371_0_8419_ I can later replace it with another mountable UK one. -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 13:24:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D6040447 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 859EF403F2 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 19:20:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.203] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 19:20:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 19:20:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 36115 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2013 19:20:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369336851; bh=p6VjcEgYtBpEab5HvTfADk1+/rPuHiJdMzz1ryCA3DY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a2mLp793B+6fiNptLBsx8w2ZXFKYNZ2yyBUAn2FPBD2wR95AIWCLHq5dM4BTrIcsJwoU342uof4rb3B0uum7FOZhmfqSDd1Fqi0vQXzq5e63NyzNDhTud+Xdeuke07Bp0ltngS0kJZyd7khKNmatKiCqqB4GXWdAknHvxDFle8c= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sIQixwlPHSAQV4ecZwRF7/ncso3xh5qvUJzsi5g5DFE1oa5k9sIb5Xqk7SwGCg9JskVML5IiRcJQrXOUHvJhiaauT8IdovT5DZXXHH9sWfWKamZ8xdv3/bmfEDNcdURblpcpfaNu+O7SgXwgzDV80vq7QbX8lbvRbqGpzj0DmFo=; t4uEaMZktlhDF6OIDZ2nMNzzdNLo7Yrm5O7NEWOKiJXgldcbuuHgoSUHBnin NAVXHlUY3qvDjxVWPPxNqK6qLM7hvI7WSKF_FW8VmhN1B10rPVH4CC7V3KT9 KuO2S.OJIOWXWbvQX7Z58E_2lrn0xhWLWvT0jpVNEciPOSbkNrItmLLTfXxp xxmsX43KNPvGfOMOVZkO5.AZzdOUrSf1Y4LWIInW4Tayh.B6OhXV99rJXwtv 4ec6Yik9pfswPsZLvLty7Yb43PY11CnqDG24r1IGT7ippRlqbQdkzdANaOpN 9P35ASZa3IlsKu.MF6Fp5AlNPXKT794qyNFGVwoYijzYPDQeF_waPk51jK.4 vlnmdY6c9cXbgyn6D1dfGbdlCrQu9bkVAD_VyYg9gt0YPbYZW_dKHlIgaFv7 WXJubevBCaWD0cnC4teqTXZ7MD3rkUiRzBsJBIUSX5GiCTIMsCNm5Y9KzPcS m1xV17YIcoaYwIw-- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 12:20:51 PDT J0dhc3BpbmcnIGF0ICQzNSBmb3IgbnV0cyBuIGJvbHRzISEKCkRhbiBECic3NkIKJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFJpY2hhcmQgTGluZHNheSA8cmljaGFyZG9saW5kc2F5QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7ICJtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgTGlzdCIgPG1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBNYXkgMjMsIDIwMTMgMTI6MDYgUE0KU3ViamVjdDogW01nc10gSGFuZGJyYWsBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Handbrake and bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 'Gasping' at $35 for nuts n bolts!! Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net; "mgs@autox.team.net List" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: [Mgs] Handbrake and bolts Hi Friends, This morning I assembled all the parts of the handbrake assembly (those bits found in the the cockpit only). The 'arm' of the handbrake's chrome was beyond saving so I decided to either have it re-chromed or replaced at some later date. Yesterday I sanded the chrome to rough it up a bit, then applied a high-build primer and black paint. Gasp! Well, for now, it will work and will look okay - just not correct. The push button's chrome was fine and left polished. The handle/grip got a coat of matte black paint. The adjusters are brass and are now nicely polished and clear-coated, while the rest of the metal bits are painted semi-gloss black, including the assembly-to-tunnel attachment bolts. All of the rusty floorboard screws - including the ones whose heads were drilled off - have now been removed from the captive nuts on the angle-iron; those parts which supports the inboard edges of the floorboards and propshaft tunnel. I did a test using another of the 1/4" captive nuts found elsewhere. I ran a 1/4-20 tap through the nut and fitted a 1/4-20 bolt. It fit nicely and was strong. My floorboards will be attached with 1/4-20 countersunk Phillips head screws for $1.50, not $35.00 'correct' screws! You have my full permission to gasp again, as desired. :-) -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 16:09:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D35427D2 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFEB4276E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:09:51 -0600 (MDT) cv=asOxBwkBAZGV0T+WtrXzpfep39GF0kV392HEIHOPyDY= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=RDCZYGFenDwA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=AliPB40w8CqPTYPxNcMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:53827] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 1D/29-08543-9D29E915; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:06:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:06:09 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: PaulHunt73 , Mga List References: <5191A4A9.9060408@ktc.com> <5C7E48E6558D47119E7517F11C9EA605@paul> <519D6413.7040806@ktc.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] oil pressure delay question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Doggone it, Paul, It was all about rod rattling after the engine had sat for over two days. CR On 5/23/2013 3:08 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > No confusion here. > > The difference between a V8 and a 4-cylinder is irrelevant as far as > oil remaining in the bearings is concerned. > > Any oil remaining in the bearings by the time it has cooled down, i.e. > a matter of a couple of hours, will remain there a very long time. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> I hope this clears any confusion for you, > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 20:11:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E2940446 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-05.shaw.ca (smtp-out-05.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEBD4040A for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:10:36 -0600 (MDT) cv=x4wvebh7U2otgv2g1Q/ELETKOrtBkVhBqv1eL6GwWag= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=Gw4FzbHpU7GimSmHAkD0UQ==:17 a=iUhL2u9mKrAYh9YJPn8A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=KmCybNHx20s3bH0stywA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=7T0tKJtg7wq2EqnJ:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO owneraur2ue3rs) ([174.7.76.16]) by smtp-out-05.shaw.ca with SMTP; 23 May 2013 20:07:02 -0600 From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 19:07:01 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, Have been floating in the background for a while, after being off for a long time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is still someone who can help this OF. In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go thru' what is known as AirCare, much the same as smog testing. To get my 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. Besides adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do to bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle looked at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. The dist is now 5 BTDC. Thanks in advance. Aubrey 75 B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 22:00:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DB54054F for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CD64041B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i10so5594243oag.1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:51:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1jm1AbMyuudjib9mVRG5QHagmD9CvVj0PWQNxY1Mfl0=; b=avC/WXAtFYFsTPh2oSKotzitY9fv0225ZAoe6l46liIB2IPeu/KGhhEPsvZz8EtSvW VoPoXATIyTCJsofmbHAbdUox42wwas/SWg6GpVR/qjIJ1zdgGR0S/2rpwIzv95NDkiz6 BTG2blhdVRmvI55NvJmsePZPDkRJ8sDjbNsrhPKHSnGWErC9Uq8Zt4YIKSEqu17M7+Re 7qIvKqIbaP/UHBnP+c+k/FuzBQQS0zGho3pqB9c9UPVlz3gUjLa7dDEyfNiuDZTXosbw mYl3Km7JRTWixUaieBMxCpk9d3cpgbAd5VMVzJBD95xDMnyZ4ur4oV45kT1HLLLXIG2a 7E4A== b1mr10543463obz.68.1369367513753; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.132.108 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:51:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <5A7D04B5669848E7AD98C530ACE03339@owneraur2ue3rs> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:51:53 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Aubrey Schneider Cc: mg list Subject: Re: [Mgs] float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Do you know which gasses they are measuring on your car? Are they doing just a tailpipe test or are they doing a dyno test? In general, here are some tips about mixture and exhaust Too Rich High HC High CO Low NOX Low CO2 Too Lean High HC Low CO High NOX High CO2 Timing advanced High NOX In general if I have to take a high mileage car though a smog test, I change the oil, replace the spark plugs, make sure the air filter is clean and everything is set to spec. I take the car for a good long drive to make sure it is totally up to operating temp. Once I get to the testing station, I do not turn the car off, as I don't want the cat cooling off. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Aubrey Schneider wrote: > Hello all, > > Have been floating in the background for a while, after being off for a > long > time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is still someone who > can > help this OF. > > In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go thru' what is known as AirCare, > much the same as smog testing. To get my > 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. > Besides > adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any > significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. > > Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do > to > bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle > looked > at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. > The > dist is now 5 BTDC. > > Thanks in advance. > > Aubrey > > 75 B > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 22:05:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BF940562 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-01.shaw.ca (smtp-out-01.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63244041B for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:05:29 -0600 (MDT) cv=dWI+KISfqi6yXfbrXJvRDWIsIl/dscdoFNN/P4RSWeA= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=Gw4FzbHpU7GimSmHAkD0UQ==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=zHxYyTLbsYYmc4kAD_0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO owneraur2ue3rs) ([174.7.76.16]) by smtp-out-01.shaw.ca with SMTP; 23 May 2013 22:01:54 -0600 From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:01:55 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [Mgs] float & aircare > Hello all, > > Have been floating in the background for a while, after being off for a > long > time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is still someone who > can > help this OF. > > In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go thru' what is known as AirCare, > much the same as smog testing. To get my > 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. > Besides > adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any > significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. > > Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do > to > bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle > looked > at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. > The > dist is now 5 BTDC. > > Thanks in advance. > > Aubrey > > 75 B > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/aschneider@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 22:33:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4929D40E1C for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3893C40524 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 22:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fRwf1l0060b6N64A1gVlqL; Fri, 24 May 2013 04:29:45 +0000 Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com ([209.85.217.176]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fgTk1l00H3owFux8PgTlaQ; Fri, 24 May 2013 04:27:46 +0000 Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x10so4223799lbi.35 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:27:43 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=UUIOeXrmgMrXbaTxJ/RM0jVFJtIChly/fBypJq1q1UY=; b=lPsUhsK4M3/iGcformMil8tL4pjtzYwTmzyGdl5TpB5Sj0htQl/Koob69KcRWPKsUi gQWdJS1YhUCS9SDE1zblKhCK2DatDZ0hdB2WkGDtIbY7h4WsBByADOUiNDtG9UfHs7WJ TdpBtO5cC0LRokRwtGQCzKLJz19cDR4WivYwW1CaDTrPwdUGKy8wFSTyaQZ/8Fdh5Sp4 7WmxVBPvqLGVw71imnD2WjeYVJqwRKZ8GJdwRqL7Sts8w63B1wT0k2hWaqkPDhi0CRV7 xxMDbkEatVuDdDWQ4cFIkSzFXkqPjPk+9tn1mzMPJDReCcRss+4ylBBHIxxPCpyxvxTf fM6w== rd1mr7742283lbb.44.1369369663925; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.150.197 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.150.197 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 21:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 22:27:43 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: mgs@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1369369785; bh=UUIOeXrmgMrXbaTxJ/RM0jVFJtIChly/fBypJq1q1UY=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=rhdzury/2n/48X3V7MzwGup/gPzKGBKQj36UfSQXvptgQsrSTwGP2q4HxWNU2C/pa RBrsIDHDH8NXmiJsybfF9sTPf9rEEeVC80Lca1cSyxd1mCAQ6YiJ2AD7H43uyNLEeo Br4iBelJi5pSVAt4IIkyGApnDV89vxbFJTKBkicxxrJ2bM2SYXuVBRZFEjkiayyWQa uG75KN7VpaIeGAywZI9cAHbRN8z3K/FJQ2NHQPhm8sAcoKgIQKRBjpKzwXb77LcHHC 1Y+FyGHhgomd9z0Sp3P80xrhDPhJ8zmd5QHaKavysPeefNKEz401d9P5iCTE/be5m7 J7RYk1yNvV04Q== Subject: [Mgs] Tighten the distributor after setting the timing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net And before driving around the block. That is all. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 02:36:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DA24055D for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 02:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6695A40546 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 02:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id q57so2319558wes.13 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:11 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=C7rR5b/JslU0cFt0XbHBZxQABihjLK4th3zPm38nLbU=; b=EuVk8LaU+Wo+Htxf18vl+H8auMfZt1s8xblpsO/ROnJy960LJhnaeRQkKE9mBeQuTR TRad69o6pHlJDT8+2iP1xWZYxEFcR3TwntQLGWDu0xZIoRvVf/eI1aNq1WkVt4P9Qwry K4pfNhprJz5AhpLfiNDavpuHMOI1/SdEckBBu3BsOXycaVIMGN3ay8WSSEklYVaOfFmI DD0TIQesmibZUU0lztsX17BaAheCqe1z9ppHB6pmKSQ8GmnYGu5yl7dr9GxG2g3EAeIz 5BGxkyYqH3x4/D/Ow8FHlYjSXsdecckXfNCSlijWGmEzB8CiqPYa/ZUQAslNQAHDTHF8 uH3A== hu3mr7440958wib.13.1369384211246; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fv11sm22573059wic.11.2013.05.24.01.30.09 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew Lundgren" , References: <519AEE72.9090708@byu.net><26E5ABD00B3341E1AD9FA1877254883A@paul> <519CF071.9080302@byu.net><001001ce57c3$8dc01ca0$a94055e0$@sportscarslimited.net><04B44A31643B47C4A45F270B377BAF18@paul> <519E426A.9060601@byu.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:02:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fan Relay fried... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That is more confirmation that it is the ignition relay then (didn't notice that in the original post). When the fan operates the additional current from that causes even more volt-drop through the bad connection at the relay, killing the voltage to the ignition and everything else. That link is for a 'hi/lo blower' relay which looks to me as if it is intended for two-speed cooling fan motors as often found on modern cars. You just need a basic Bosch 4-terminal 12v/30A relay such as http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RELAY-0332014125-BY-BOSCH-/380569119474. The circuit breaker should be below the fusebox, brown/white and green wires, as shown here https://www.dropbox.com/s/tes6x4hirjoz9gk/DSC00012.JPG?n=117394008 PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > On 05/23/2013 09:58 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: >> It's just occurred to me that this probably isn't a fan relay at all, but >> the ignition relay. That did supply the fan, as well as everything else. > > I would like to hear more about this... As I mentioned in the original > thread, when the fan kicks on the car died. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 02:37:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA12440C00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 02:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A272A40548 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 02:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p58so2622409wes.35 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:12 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=DLTcMuGUWeEFiVIl+MXFlIKM8Qh+8udv/7om6K/WvHU=; b=hOA+DdDgW93TggCiPL8ZzmU1q7dWorGlmh7wdq3qxhbw0ejRiRMDVgNeJXGiu3ibFk fhNga+Qi8bWt58EudIKcKc1Cu2Zu4nupAvNnZJS5ulOfMoC0GpUktiaQ81VNpxhcc9Oo Hwa3kfNSSVJCl6FPwvo5Xv35h50pRVgAB8EyG3uEBUfZdt6JlSFX+adtp+LDQ850bPUz VTBxOjv8uzgb36qENMwRXrWVwdgvp03s82So8q1jL6khr449GUIo/jsyT9SCnNyL0l0Q qcqQk4o2gv1El1wwSVZMClihmJIoNoVP1h6cAXafuaJhyLJbEe8HI6m4egQeFg/kfKcq lfoQ== es19mr163241wic.54.1369384212087; Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fv11sm22573059wic.11.2013.05.24.01.30.11 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 May 2013 01:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aubrey Schneider" , "mg list" References: <5A7D04B5669848E7AD98C530ACE03339@owneraur2ue3rs> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:11:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Do you mean float height? That will effect mixture to some extent, the workshop manual gives quite a precise figure for setting. In my experience it makes little difference to driving, but for emissions testing it will be more noticeable if it is out. But there can be many other defects in ignition, carburation and emissions controls that will also make it difficult to pass a test, many of which will also affect running. 5 degrees BTDC seems low to me, Canada 74 to 76 used the 45D4 41599 distributor set to 7 degrees static, 13 degrees at 1500 rpm strobe. That is likely to put up emissions as more of the fuel is wasted instead of being converted to forward motion. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > ... To get my > 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. > Besides > adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any > significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. > > Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do > to > bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle > looked > at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. > The > dist is now 5 BTDC. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 05:56:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D542440556 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 05:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DF56403FA for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 05:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14559 invoked from network); 24 May 2013 11:46:51 -0000 Received: from 97.96.111.81 (HELO mullet) (97.96.111.81) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 11:46:51 -0000 From: "Stephen West-Fisher" To: References: Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 07:46:49 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5YN10tpWpPgLX1S5+wbLks8XxuLwAPDWbw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tighten the distributor after setting the timing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Back in the '90s SWMBO took over my SUV and I started driving her Sirocco. I don't remember if it was the day after I had tuned it up or not, but driving to work I could barely press on the gas without getting all kinds of vibration, missing, etc. So I would accelerate very slowly and if the vibration started I would back off the throttle a little and try to accelerate even more slowly. When I got to my office I popped the bonnet and the distributer cap was not clipped down :-) I can't believe the thing ran at all! -- Stephen West-Fisher N4IK _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 06:12:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB4A40572 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F0C9E4056E for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:11:48 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1369397291; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Tc7FW5GZRnjo59rjuWkzSv1tmWFHSZ8xafzF9WHQLFJ3825g8xVLGVhaUlMZY/u6M QmyRtkQuP3JYeKkTY+y0kub/otGhneEZQOLpFlh1bT6q7V09WRLWdVC1c/jx3kR18l 80GQ8zUZfkqzhDTRJoptVXq6sCRavp0pVsGdtozs= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ38YATADFPYK2 for (sender ); Fri, 24 May 2013 05:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:06:44 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:06:44 GMT To: aschneider@shaw.ca Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In mid 1980s, I had a 1975 MGB with the Stromberg, but no catalyst. For it to pass emissions testing in Connecticut required careful tweaking. The settings on the label did not suffice. Bob Wanta, a name that may be remembered by some long- time readers, would poke the sensor of his tester into the tailpipe and work with mixture and timing until emissions were barely within emissions requirements. Then ,with bonnet propped open several inches for additional cooling, I would drive gently to the testing station. There, if waiting in line, it was necessary to shut the engine off and on to keep its coolant temp about where it was when Wanta got it within specs. Hotter or cooler, it was out of spec. Once through the test, it was a gentle drive back to the shop to adjust so engine would run properly. The mixture was very lean, and the spark plugs would show it. Wanta also told me to fill with 91 or 93 octane fuel the two tanks before testing. You might find that the label specs do not get your engine to pass either. Try his method, and good luck. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Subject: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 21:01:55 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [Mgs] float & aircare > Hello all, > > Have been floating in the background for a while, after being off for a > long > time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is still someone who > can > help this OF. > > In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go thru' what is known as AirCare, > much the same as smog testing. To get my > 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. > Besides > adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any > significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. > > Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do > to > bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle > looked > at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. > The > dist is now 5 BTDC. > > Thanks in advance. > > Aubrey > > 75 B > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/aschneider@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 06:12:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556F742719 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 61F5940C00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 12:08:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.254] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 12:08:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1067.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2013 12:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 85822 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2013 12:08:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369397334; bh=P4X5XVokCpN/7Y7urr+o+3wVUnOAqmXe0SWlW/5/p9E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0B/NYb9wF+k7HfJ+kFHRBx0JQ6WnKT3onOO4kt3WxhqTAa3LOEV7I0xIJYYoklqHUHZNUpzsnqzEnzj95AxtsepdT1oR+zhlA9+x9u+qysHif3vfh+XCknY48MRkqvtrFBYCzXdpq7J6b5fJ8PDPywxaCD5ZJSJZKarpTXDqU40= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UYWjZj8rfWw3fqtzU9MrnghOWKIuc7OQAefGDd3AL//9+ux1Co+09MjBxpnZ1Zs2UfbVSx0RnDyxj6Fb0H65T8jIEaTVmiKfiR2CjiNEwk2yR6vj/+ruPLfhvQiRR91NByb1r4tNKceDcJUWMBtX6FLWbv7t7ejt5NNY13hvxvI=; .5kYu01qyliKK1NenTCmsPzCvU5EW1Pu0ncQY.ll6I6g0mAsjAYkrHkEvPb7 5v5IQc8VkPjEZY1Uk5QNq5.x4VxQa4k.7ad2TkpIXnXH0phOZ.j_ZUH7Y5ei SXLv_NHbG6f_.sdf8xtpawBdW1qpiKFYTR6wUszK6OzQD6TmIEnXjRGbxSkE CbOG4bsDIoD2rtqfCZ_z3Z4eoYwWB0KsQA5PlQ5YqMzZYcZ6cQGlMuntlbTl t2BCS3sy8mN2MEExdCd3zqwatNDsUQW9ZdmwQVzEpPnYiB_nPrl4ZwyfxiMS kQDkUTPK9LXR6662xp9CjH6CQFvzjBllbG667kEhE3R1eZgISgmxXLbC4Tac f2SO77Wdzhm36XvGH1jgwNUSFv_Uu97EvjahR9JoXYDbv2BPQRp_pl8o8i8P ZriHFuC3q3uZYEL07GOz42aYtZiZrMuczdJkZsBvbaB_7pTCgQ.TGHpdsl6I TqsXPyRyeCxCTRg8OVkIyVP1xmYqI5X9zkT2nGJ3vBHGSaFCzkm8lQWUVY_V s9WBKVPODSca7oFwytTqy3_rkAaYINvMAkEUSt_YYgsItDRCxsXuxgph5cTD i2RxiDP89FLTiV_Qe_2bxe_Fd6V1FUEDBD7lPekmvkbGwwS4lWG8WAYBTpSp .etlEhVqIsdGOW2hK9Bv_CJ.xeA-- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 05:08:54 PDT Sm9obiBUd2lzdCBoYXMgYSBwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiBvbiB0dW5pbmcgdGhlIFotUyBjYXJiIC0gbWlnaHQgd2FudCB0byBjaGVjayB0aGF0IG91dC4uLi4KCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuc3Rlcmxpbmdicml0aXNobW90b3Jpbmdzb2NpZXR5Lm9yZy9maWxlcy96ZW5pdGglMjBzdHJvbWJlcmclMjB0ZWNoJTIwdGlwcy5wZGYKCgpEYW4gRAonNzZCCic2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IEF1YnJleSBTY2huZWlkZXIgPGFzY2huZWlkZXJAc2hhdy5jYT4BMAEBAQE- References: <92B40A5DC3074876A968E5016F68DE7E@owneraur2ue3rs> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 05:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Aubrey Schneider , mg list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net John Twist has a publication on tuning the Z-S carb - might want to check that out.... http://www.sterlingbritishmotoringsociety.org/files/zenith%20stromberg%20tech %20tips.pdf Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Aubrey Schneider To: mg list Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:01 AM Subject: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [Mgs] float & aircare > Hello all, > > Have been floating in the background for a while, after being off for a > long > time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is still someone who > can > help this OF. > > In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go thru' what is known as AirCare, > much the same as smog testing. To get my > 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. > Besides > adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any > significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. > > Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do > to > bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle > looked > at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. > The > dist is now 5 BTDC. > > Thanks in advance. > > Aubrey > > 75 B > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/aschneider@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 06:59:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C7640569 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from northgrum.com (xspv0103.northgrum.com [134.223.120.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9261E40359 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 06:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ([134.223.80.11]) by xspv0103.northgrum.com with ESMTP with TLS id J8QJQN1.43725454; Fri, 24 May 2013 07:55:54 -0500 Received: from XHTVAG05.northgrum.com (134.223.82.60) by XHTV0002.northgrum.com (134.223.80.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Fri, 24 May 2013 07:55:54 -0500 Received: from XMBVAG74.northgrum.com ([169.254.2.118]) by XHTVAG05.northgrum.com ([134.223.82.60]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 24 May 2013 07:55:53 -0500 From: "Schauss, Peter (ESS)" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] float & aircare Thread-Index: AQHOWH4GmI/P+mvWp0adH5Vd4f7M4A== Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:55:53 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [134.223.82.121] Subject: Re: [Mgs] float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Aubrey, On my 1980 B, once I had a working catalytic converter, the car had no problems passing the New York tailpipe (idle) emissions test. A few years after I bought the car, I replaced the Zenith-Stromberg carb with two HS-4s and spliced an aftermarket catalyst into the exhaust system between the head pipe and the front muffler. I always tuned the carburetors for best idle and emissions were always within spec. Is your air pump connected? Do you know that your catalyst is good? Shortly after I bought my car I discovered that one of the previous owners had removed the guts of my catalyst in addition to disconnecting the air pump. Fortunately, New York does not require an emissions test for cars over 25 years old so I do not have to worry about this now. HTH, Peter Schauss -----Original Message----- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 19:07:01 -0700 From: "Aubrey Schneider" To: "mg list" Subject: [Mgs] float & aircare Hello all, Have been floating in the background for a while, after being off for a long time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is still someone who can help this OF. In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go thru' what is known as AirCare, much the same as smog testing. To get my 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean enough to pass. Besides adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does the float have any significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean mixture. Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) what do I have to do to bring up the performance to where it should be. I have had the vehicle looked at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems all over the place. The dist is now 5 BTDC. Thanks in advance. Aubrey 75 B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 07:59:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEC942793 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 07:59:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67C3640559 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 07:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26498 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2013 13:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 13:50:31 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=b9RQsD/ymS9lkcsj62dAhuGYjoGgWAkHgvcWXdEpAek=; b=BatfUK34RS4RYF0cUUDwcKzCmjGSfZKF9XXynNdGHBfBWBXgh1ZYOD3tgliK3nLa5t9d3lJ6/OBMgQK3UTwy42AUSYqt4csBUFP/Wp0Hfp7T+oq7E/50omPWn7gFfi1Y; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37009 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UfsO6-0001VL-Pj for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 24 May 2013 07:50:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:50:30 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <20130524.080644.3009.2@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/24/2013 7:06 AM, mgbob@juno.com wrote: Wanta also told me to fill with 91 or 93 octane fuel the two tanks before testing. >> ABSOLUTELY ! ! ! Over the years and because somebody told me I have told Customers (after leaning carb out approx = between running great and hardly running - LOL -) to fill-up with SHELL (only) Hi-test and go drive about 170 miles south and fill up with SHELL (ONLY) Hi-test and come back; re-fill & do same drive & then go directly to Testing Station & get tested. "If" car fails (which has proved to be in serious minority ) go around block and lean-out further and return to Station. Cars have NOT failed after the foregoing ! ! ! I have had ONE (1) Customer that "knew better" and used Amoco Hi-test and did above then FAILED. He did the "further lean out" to the point car would hardly run and barely made it into Test Lane; he STILL FAILED ! ! ! He did the above Shell + drives and PASSED ! ! ! He stopped by later same day and told me "PLEASE go ahead and say 'I TOLD YOU SO' ". We had a great laugh ! ! ! AND << On 5/24/2013 7:55 AM, Schauss, Peter (ESS) wrote: Shortly after I bought my car I discovered that one of the previous owners had removed the guts of my catalyst ....>> Common 'operation' around here. Easier to just replace with "Test Pipe" (see Moss Catalog ) as long as 'visual' doesn't count ! Additional benefit is dissipation of exhaust heat ! ! ! Empty cats RETAIN *HEAT* (read CHERRY RED & directly under carb ) ! ! ! Also, be SURE you have some sort of Heat Shield; even if you have to make one (roofing flashing tin works GREAT ), Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 10:41:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8ED40C01 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from admin.nni.com (smtp.cybernex.net [216.107.0.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C268040043 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [199.46.198.230] (account eugeneb@nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.8) with HTTP id 502511386; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:35:41 -0400 From: "Eugene Balinski" To: Dan DiBiase ,Aubrey Schneider , mg list Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:35:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone on the list actually used this procedure to tune their Z-S carb ? If so, how did it go ? This is the same technique as published in the Moss catalog. I wish John Twist had made a video of it. Gene 80 B On Fri, 24 May 2013 05:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Dan DiBiase wrote: > John Twist has a publication on tuning the Z-S carb - > might want to check that > out.... > http://www.sterlingbritishmotoringsociety.org/files/zenith%20stromberg%20tech > %20tips.pdf > > > Dan D > '76B > '65B > Central NJ USA > ________________________________ > From: Aubrey Schneider > To: mg list > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:01 AM > Subject: > [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aubrey > Schneider" > To: "mg list" > Sent: > Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:07 PM > Subject: [Mgs] float & aircare > > > > Hello all, > > > > Have been floating in the background for a while, after > being off for a > > > long > > time. The site seems to have changed but maybe there is > still someone > who > > can > > help this OF. > > > > In British Columbia, Canada, we have to go > thru' what is known as AirCare, > > much the same as smog testing. To get my > > > 75 B thru' I have to get the carb ( Stromberg ) lean > enough to pass. > > > Besides > > adjusting the mixture on the carb to lean it out, does > the float > have any > > significant adjustments to assist in achieving the lean > mixture. > > > > Also, once I have passed the test ( holding thumbs ) > what do I have to do > > > to > > bring up the performance to where it should be. I have > had the vehicle > > > looked > > at & worked upon by 3 different dealers & now it seems > all over the > place. > > The > > dist is now 5 BTDC. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Aubrey > > > > 75 B > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/aschneider@shaw.ca > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eugeneb@nni.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 11:20:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC22D406A9 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599EF403F0 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:13:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (108-169-4-214.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.214] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4OHA0ga014535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 10:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:52:14 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Thread-Index: Ac5YnwqH4ycsnh5Er02Re586A43VfA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm glad Shell seems to work for you in your area. But here in Northern California, the Chevron refinery sells gasoline to all the stations, so it doesn't matter whose name is on the sign. It all has 10% ethanol, anyway, and tops out at 91. All things considered, it saves a lot of hassle to own a 74 or older MG in California, and avoid the whole smog test rigmarole. I like to think one gets a "purer" MG experience, also. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/24/13 6:50 AM, shop@justbrits.com at shop@justbrits.com wrote: > << On 5/24/2013 7:06 AM, mgbob@juno.com wrote: > > Wanta also told me to fill with 91 or 93 octane fuel the two tanks before > testing. >> > > ABSOLUTELY ! ! ! Over the years and because somebody told me I have told > Customers > (after leaning carb out approx = between running great and hardly running - > LOL -) to fill-up > with SHELL (only) Hi-test and go drive about 170 miles south and fill up with > SHELL (ONLY) Hi-test and come back; re-fill & do same drive & then go > directly to Testing Station & get tested. "If" car fails > (which has proved to be in serious minority ) go around block and lean-out > further and return to Station. > Cars have NOT failed after the foregoing ! ! ! > > I have had ONE (1) Customer that "knew better" and used Amoco Hi-test and did > above then FAILED. > He did the "further lean out" to the point car would hardly run and barely > made it into Test Lane; > he STILL FAILED ! ! ! > > He did the above Shell + drives and PASSED ! ! ! He stopped by later > same day and told me > "PLEASE go ahead and say 'I TOLD YOU SO' ". We had a great laugh ! ! ! > > AND << On 5/24/2013 7:55 AM, Schauss, Peter (ESS) wrote: > Shortly after I bought my car I discovered that one of the previous owners had > removed the guts of > my catalyst ....>> > > Common 'operation' around here. Easier to just replace with "Test Pipe" (see > Moss Catalog ) as long > as 'visual' doesn't count ! Additional benefit is dissipation of > exhaust heat ! ! ! Empty cats RETAIN > *HEAT* (read CHERRY RED & directly under carb ) ! ! ! > > Also, be SURE you have some sort of Heat Shield; even if you have to make one > (roofing flashing tin > works GREAT ), > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 11:41:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B531740539 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from northgrum.com (xspv0103.northgrum.com [134.223.120.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067F1403F1 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 11:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ([134.223.80.11]) by xspv0103.northgrum.com with ESMTP with TLS id J8QJQN1.43744392; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:37:27 -0500 Received: from XHTVAG05.northgrum.com (134.223.82.60) by XHTV0002.northgrum.com (134.223.80.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:37:28 -0500 Received: from XMBVAG74.northgrum.com ([169.254.2.118]) by XHTVAG05.northgrum.com ([134.223.82.60]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 24 May 2013 12:37:27 -0500 From: "Schauss, Peter (ESS)" To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Thread-Index: AQHOWKVcBNuXFkp5xkmDNb0ldDt+HQ== Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:37:27 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [134.223.82.121] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, Exactly what I did - aluminum flashing for a heat shield. The heat shield also kept the oil which leaked from rear gearbox seal from dripping on the hot catalytic converter. Before I added the shield, the smoke from the oil on the cat was a bit disconcerting. I left the air pump connected which may have helped keep the cat from getting too hot. I removed the catalyst seven years ago when New York exempted my from the emission inspection because it was over 25 years old. Peter Schauss ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:50:30 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare ... Also, be SURE you have some sort of Heat Shield; even if you have to make one (roofing flashing tin works GREAT ), Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 16:28:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0560B40527 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA2A2403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 31277 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2013 22:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 May 2013 22:23:31 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Ax8F6vZ1O6+TaqBCWG+0Af0z10mN/kTgGM3ZNP73qnU=; b=Pv9VYBk9sZq9gQvf1zMQDNl/Ovmlqg92/+7lXsHotfe3mPL6yv7RZmYA9HdlOa6NEpDHHajzXX7ruEvGH6usTWki6H9euz4BxFuJYhwPty5ACeYMt3Xl43cgYeFE1rFN; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36348 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug0OZ-0008AW-7p for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:23:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:23:30 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <8AE45871F749FC4CBBE053CF2F8A493C0D16540E@XMBVAG74.northgrum.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/24/2013 12:37 PM, Schauss, Peter (ESS) wrote: The heat shield also kept the oil which leaked from rear gearbox seal from dripping on the hot catalytic converter. >> HUH ? ? ? HOW does the CARB (with cat directly below) even get NEAR the rear of the GEARBOX, Peter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 24 16:43:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0234042F for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75512403CF for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id f4so6817968oah.38 for ; Fri, 24 May 2013 15:38:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/PzFwT3PjEzv8zlFaYPkSR0UA2SID2z9pU60ocfm/nY=; b=uj5PAwAza3oP/3zQAvNZRK1fTyqI9UZk3PkYoWIluztM0zeSOA36StabZrfdxYpQzB 3BzYSp3I6rxQVAAsgTQ+V1hZzkjU5DSxKSfiUxts7aTVEgfxhERK56ig/P8V2nDc7eMU bHoNQcD6WTH5SuU5Y3v2S2FBxolxwpkgH7jurnuLA1BQ3YQX3Wn3sT9XCYDTQGSsD0w0 PlteotYiC7RE01y74m4qDy5G2sjge43mOO2pzmIA8EBQLN5sOitRGSdrV3HMX1ALLN9b aDGxGP3jKjcmg6RPAbDAaKh98vRdYnA+0r3ObHSOZXgPOjzwGkTX+J3znPayEjEO30Hq FuPA== sl3mr13639127oeb.0.1369435097995; Fri, 24 May 2013 15:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.132.108 with HTTP; Fri, 24 May 2013 15:38:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <8AE45871F749FC4CBBE053CF2F8A493C0D16540E@XMBVAG74.northgrum.com> <519FE862.7080408@justbrits.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:38:17 -0700 From: Richard Ewald To: Just Brits Shop Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net HUH ? ? ? HOW does the CARB (with cat directly below) even get NEAR the rear of the GEARBOX, Peter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Drive backwards at speed! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 00:11:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E212440528 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 00:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485EA403E0 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 00:10:41 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=cYJo0nbX7QzCYuL2YfAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:62687] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id D2/D7-12276-50550A15; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:07:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 01:06:50 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I got to looking at Craigs list today. Couldn't believe the asking prices for most of the MGBs for sale. I know the value will vary according to condition. Makes me wonder how much they're really selling for. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 00:55:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3800403FB for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 00:55:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp152.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp152.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFB403FB for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 00:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp25.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EEC4B300330 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp25.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id 82601300240 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 23:50:39 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don References: <51A054FA.9040207@ktc.com> Subject: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This isn't the perfect market check, but it will give you a rough idea as to values. You can adjust the year range. Early ones bring a lot more money in most cases. http://collectorcarpricetracker.com/auctions/make/MG/model/MGB/years/1962-1973/ --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 11:06 PM 5/24/2013, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >I got to looking at Craigs list today. Couldn't believe the asking >prices for most of the MGBs for sale. I know the value will vary >according to condition. Makes me wonder how much they're really selling for. > >CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 02:48:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC38403EE for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D52F403EE for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id p57so3117778wes.32 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 01:34:06 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole:x-gm-message-state; bh=3hnhNiMt7PBDOxD/jZ2tZlyQ1UtF9VA7ttl5FsnXMkQ=; b=PlVzRtXkGjw2aTvXbhosZ4wo6LHnbonqp2+144rBMFWE0WGiG9hmOlzbXJh9K7mboi QaP1umylZHW9PlXqEvxpZzWqFQqxckuqDQTT0cUjG0VU2yt1O8mYr0Hj+SkyL3mzw4p/ OpxrGCROK24IyJowsUgnLTeu39vgUB2Ydui3lTNbAxbSjrfbLK0+WDAHDnj5H9scUaJm wyRXdQ8lplCScKYU6W/BgQR/NJi6m4GSg2mWc2law2/kjCcpVl61YR7D5gtk0nDlN17k WXZGwqvGemAWnE28M2Qbp1jCBjIiuex6fStyaAWRUlfeY1JAoHLl+V9vihtx+nK3UPF3 SfoQ== df6mr2112462wjc.42.1369470846578; Sat, 25 May 2013 01:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paul (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eq15sm3638670wic.4.2013.05.25.01.34.05 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 May 2013 01:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Richard Ewald" , "Just Brits Shop" References: <8AE45871F749FC4CBBE053CF2F8A493C0D16540E@XMBVAG74.northgrum.com><519FE862.7080408@justbrits.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:19:23 +0100 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net In Australia ----- Original Message ----- > HUH ? ? ? HOW does the CARB (with cat directly below) even get NEAR the > rear of the > GEARBOX, Peter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Drive backwards at speed! > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/paulhunt73@virginmedia.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 11:41:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F0640534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4572040434 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:36:37 -0600 (MDT) a=IZivwq3E2tMvPj/srkXMZg==:17 a=HizQC6xgECQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mU8YcW3hRhgA:10 a=tjsda3YKAAAA:8 a=FmLwpgMqPnOKNMf222AA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=YOsvDHhp5yxxpnQlhiUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=AVVNIJbA-MiEMnbl:21 a=IZivwq3E2tMvPj/srkXMZg==:117 Received: from [68.200.28.244] ([68.200.28.244:54678] helo=[172.16.0.6]) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 26/6D-13811-7C5F0A15; Sat, 25 May 2013 17:32:56 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 13:32:55 -0400 To: MGList List Cc: Magnette ZAZB Subject: [Mgs] British Car week Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Today starts : MAY 25- JUNE 2, 2013 Annual British Car Week. Nationwide - www.britishcarweek.org Get in those cars and Drive "em! Cheers, Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 11:41:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B1640534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA9540527; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id q13so1609267vbe.36 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=75MuRm4AMUyBwUNui5dzDAX5tLWR/tkW+Vri0gSfX6w=; b=aD95iI+ZCd9EinS8DYp+8ftRSR42yEQuIMA3kfe+zeRJj8Q4ysSVsH1EXIxeU30Be9 hG/xfbl75z5I4QDwkM/rdRXRBJHmJz1w/SXVE4Dwv123ZGkWGjzI3C0cR9aDU7kIJFlG 2fj2TPS4h3IhlaZRrhbGaIbIdAKEVa4RwY64fJ0eLyR38Im7+/tgYqP5CVg5D9x/h0Jc PLk+LqfOIgGXqIjfJhsBZTiefBAKg0CLx35+ZHxPTbZYdSr/U7uCFXbzL+wO/fcp3GIJ KMuPSkQPg/OMf/mgCeBEJhhMobThFx+7fYcot0WdrXOJoD80F849B3chS54NbpvR7a5l Q5Pw== db9mr11418937vcb.30.1369503445810; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:37:25 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] bulkhead refinishing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Just a couple of pictures to share today. While still on the quest of lifting the tub away, I removed the lower firewall bulkhead yesterday and freshened it. Here's how the piece looked after degreasing and stripping what remained of the black paint, followed by a coat of primer. In this picture, the primer is still wet. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130524_093215.jpg You can see in that picture that a couple of the bolt holes are deformed and one flange is slightly bent. After the primer dried, I straightened all the deformities before painting. Here's how it looks, hanging in the garage while the black paint dries. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130525_094340.jpg Perhaps its worth stating that I am not building a show car, or even a restored 'correct' car. I'm building a driver. And with that said, I am not making big changes either, like 5-speed gearboxes or worse. I'm just saving a rusty old relic, to be pretty, to run well, and just to putter around the neighborhood. I have other cars for 'frighteningly quick', 'super luxurious', and 'truly correct'. This car, like my TR3, if just for play time. Probably didn't need to say any of that - but I did. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 11:47:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742E140553 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E68E40434 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) cv=YyVGDYHcjyaboC8PMZJQDCOKL+k1Q4ktildSrd6759U= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=VvxzlL8R4h0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kvYjahpOAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=M92UnNTpAn3Pdg9D3J4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:53293] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 91/10-05157-628F0A15; Sat, 25 May 2013 13:43:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:42:51 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Don References: <51A054FA.9040207@ktc.com> Cc: "mgs-autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, that's insightful. CR On 5/25/2013 1:50 AM, Don wrote: > This isn't the perfect market check, but it will give you a rough > idea as to values. You can adjust the year range. Early ones bring > a lot more money in most cases. > > http://collectorcarpricetracker.com/auctions/make/MG/model/MGB/years/1962-1973/ > > --------------------------------------------- > > Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, > 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > At 11:06 PM 5/24/2013, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > >> I got to looking at Craigs list today. Couldn't believe the asking >> prices for most of the MGBs for sale. I know the value will vary >> according to condition. Makes me wonder how much they're really selling for. >> >> CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 12:27:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3377040534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D057040434 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:25:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 18:21:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.204] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 18:21:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 18:21:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7565 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2013 18:21:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369506096; bh=m87SQdpACNy4g3kXsivGhFP7uZw1708PgleTCv4keD8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kjJpl25fwWDcGBEyw/g4GiD/YMIEqnT/Xk38jOIbGn6ZwhsygwQ6eX6/uoOX1oOQsan8KEaGFvpJTaR/KN9+goHMSMU0APaTkQF5rNuYNsJ81gBQggJaK3TQbGvZlUFupsUDYpA+4+RGJQJpCagCNFcebU3F3TQKXHQ3ZNIy6xY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LftN0vfRNFnS69poXryOQSlSq13WHByD/t5E1FJIbG00nVgNavc3NzePz+WXR8pBqSwtRQSnwgmPvr4WlAGNQ9+owomxoMhjwOyT1ySyqDdnadwUnOKN31z+BYce1534cmMZVvmCb/zvNwCYLPfJLA6QqQK4mbuuBldWDiydnpU=; Z8D7wO96Li9ZOv5H_F6TDH5K7CKYb00DEv11VjXzTFFcPqP_cCqTVXv6_OZ1 d4x11byW3POKxXzAxqAUp0vANLkaDFInBzgx1nUw2wzgTSP2y3TWVyENQi_H UsjNeH5z2UGFRhCtbnDsstjTkYT75Xbb3HVeYkgjZP5D_2dZs29ABA0E_abI etBS8p.K5fVr9Xo_oEMz1D4rjW8Ej9AEog49SXNofDsKAM_L.5xnAukPiNgE eI5qF1x1Z.bpxoLcv0p_VrR4iwOu3eN_yy3XHR.Nr_DIHfn1Q5gR05ee8kkk ggzn8k2qtU7KGOasBtTVJV4_Te3w6vdGFZm71V45Q.b1YarEsjfdlL6vCt_Q GvXq62E_eU8bqTXqFO.oIn0Z7U9.L7klCaRj9ZM7t0fvKIdqhAqRb.IXueB2 nFf6Bs7bnM6PrrTT7BM_CC._lpkUWG_CLSTGLbSEI6pvZ2ROot1OfI_gimOP UjEA6ivvNvEIwf8_L.j91r..vvtTN7uU2NbYDZl916PPgIzxlfUKpJqmp.Wz ytzqmSskuKoy0D.BYLa4gJynVe5uxbaRxozVvXKQGuFKd Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:21:36 PDT RGFuZyBub3QgdG9kYXksIHJhaW5pbmcgYW5kIDU0IGRlZ3JlZXMgaGVyZSBpbiBDZW50cmFsIE5KISBCdXQgSSBoYXZlIG15IHdpbmRvdyBzdGlja2VycyBpbiB0aGUgQXVkaSBhbmQgYW0gZG9pbmcgc29tZSB3b3JrIGluCnRoZSBnYXJhZ2UuLi4uCgpEYW4gRAonNzZCCic2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBXLiBEYXZpZCBIb3VzZXIgPG1nczRkYXZlQHRhbXBhYmF5LnJyLmNvbT4KVG86IE1HTGlzdCBMaXN0IDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGUBMAEBAQE- References: <9F552E3B-7851-4F4F-A559-C1205B64DF71@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "W. David Houser" , MGList List Cc: Magnette ZAZB Subject: Re: [Mgs] British Car week Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dang not today, raining and 54 degrees here in Central NJ! But I have my window stickers in the Audi and am doing some work in the garage.... Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: W. David Houser To: MGList List Cc: Magnette ZAZB Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [Mgs] British Car week Listers, Today starts : MAY 25- JUNE 2, 2013 Annual British Car Week. Nationwide - www.britishcarweek.org Get in those cars and Drive "em! Cheers, Dave Houser _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 13:44:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CBD40552 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 13:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5715440402 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 13:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PERSEUS ([70.199.129.171]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gKXn1l00J3i1LJE01KXojy; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:31:49 -0700 From: "David Councill" To: Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:31:45 -0700 thread-index: Ac5Zejw6SHi5KFIxQWKzgjlKiLlPEw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The odds are fairly good that I will attend the MG2013 car show in Oregon as I am now moving to the adjacent state of Washington and will only be maybe 450 miles away. I have a few questions but I need to put in a bit of context first. I have owned several MGBs and MGBGTs almost continuously over the past 37 years. They have proven to be economical and fun vehicles to drive. On the car show side, I have had some limited exposure. I attended the Colorado Conclave British car show once about 10-12 years ago and have been to the Portland (Oregon) British Field Meet twice over the past five years, all as an observer (and to buy car parts). I have never put a car in a car show, although people have asked me about it - my cars have always been to drive. Technically, there isn't anything really show worthy about them, they are mostly kept original and not necessarily pretty. As this is a NAMGBR event, I would guess that there could be hundreds (??) of cars, all MGBs (GTs and Midgets?). I am looking for some insights from those who have been to these events in the past relative to some of my many questions below? What would be included in the $100 registration besides 1 car and two people? Is there a charge just for observers? (I ask because at the Portland meet, there is a charge for attendees such that I am probably better off going in with a car plus two - me and my son). When are the swap meet events typically held since I'd mostly be looking for parts? And I have noticed that some people sell or try to sell their cars at these meets. Would MG2013 be a good place to sell a car to get a good sell price? This I ask because I am moving into a smaller house/lot in Washington since my kids have grown up and left. I have 3 MGs currently plus my son has 2 for restoration so I am thinking about thinning it out a bit. In particular, I have a 1967 BGT mostly original including very faded paint, restored interior, strong original engine/drive train that I have been thinking of selling (but may change my mind). It is hard to say its value using the recently posted link from Don but if I could get at least $3500 USD for it, I'd probably sell it right away, but the lower the price under that, the greater the reluctance to part with it. I just have too many cars right now, it is hard to truly enjoy all of them although that will change when I am a bit further away from where I work. David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B 01 Land Rover Discovery II _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 14:17:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911EB40691 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66684039F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C183A07DA for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:14:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:14:53 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: mgs Subject: [Mgs] A bit behind... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting around to sending out some Thank You notes to folks who donated during the Team.Net spring fund drive. Only about a month and a half behind. I guess it is a good way to spend Decoration Day weekend. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 15:16:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996414054D for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A402403F5 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id p12so3011565vbe.11 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:03:36 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=OU75SAXTI/rlfRg/pdQ2lt+Fs45Adpu5kZU2nKs88dw=; b=yR/evkWJ7h6e3XKqUbGo/hcJu9BulmWAiwgBflMx0QaWcI7oMKjIcvaabRFL0rc/vJ P9i9j3sYmhGn30Da2LtfJRNMNLrNP8WBHnqx4ccEyUn8iYdusmiN3nDC62QCMhbYVgVi EqBvIrOrz8B/8ApeykhXz2VH7MtO55anlDUw2TmEi22iULC6yedpf/h/JOTcumxwHVyl b8esSBzuKiFrQsUyQlq5i55MQZaWvv31CCwdYYk6Tf9ZHwwTs+3RhSkSeyrBtH1ESaFX TdxSNIlYnH+VOIOBIwpJcloxWb59ESO4JLGyReCHZIOUbZBCgkWtnuBw//UAN3U4TmzU A9XA== dm1mr11945737vcb.54.1369515816677; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.224.121.161] (125.sub-174-252-32.myvzw.com. 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Nationwide - > www.britishcarweek.org > > Get in those cars and Drive "em! > Cheers, > Dave Houser > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charleyrob@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 15:32:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EFE40558 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm36-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A558403E6 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm36.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.239] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2013 21:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 91493 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2013 21:28:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369517299; bh=HaUnGDhTAv3HaYSrwQzCErR3UlJQMGdGheY1TqVX1n8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zeIYoxHgrnAwJIq1YA8y1195+32AVbPu6P42SbpJNisztgjX9yvc8RdcpHSDfcrRavjEyBk8WrCa/y+Ly3kguGB5LRaABqVQMfYCt2N5D5Q5m7ETM8bJIi5UbBhTpmSrYUdgqDCSjxFvqk9LRt2Pq7El7lV9vF/hnORDN/KdyJ4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EKBujTIENSCIr4DiZtWPj2tiP/aFLZSbkV6kJ60PaYJkTpN/Kuhb5pb7QW0vwim1hrZZjNra1DEgc9iG2YCVCoR02QvRn/xvoy5UZx9lPLCdM9G25kt40oj1J4CS84Y2BO4HEldlIAMMlHiBAFYH/u8ZKpcHElQHOu4/akytQCY=; JsJ0aHPhLGAKhfJsij1A2o_LdHLAjXAk8nSYKfdoiYnAASOGMyRfGQvUuZOO wnW2huEZC79sp6Q_jVdbfcy9bcMz9a1sDZ7pN2wLEU5UoO5qn50oO2s1s4TL T.yX1jW8gNhvSyWqY6oKRgwoQ06Eq0v.0.3Br3UItZ01EOh9jmK461PJIP2l x8u3hqD3hog0MCUbilUE5eG4y.CFsTppSbGFc1b8JFQOlUx4DX0r5jDCZ9yE ga9tPNSS.NzJmemE1W8Od3oNyCjYWQZL1l.RnqmZTTLMzhvvB3.Q0S9qvQko GC9CYJYjoUoD39e1m0O33ddXD97Ma3V8_XflnTRi3fnLkQvuUGR0mY7MobwH CPXZIDZFiFwZTAqwuMmxIkdZI6UW8jhQ4tP8FCH612iW6RjIDX363giwy3Ri A3B.O3ENSBNsTvaFxUNfYANsDBfLDUFHw.QjfnnV3tqZLlhRnyGQFC4CR0MA 60SYYv.abH5VzqG6ryOQ- Received: from [98.125.161.102] by web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:28:18 PDT LS0tIE9uIFNhdCwgNS8yNS8xMywgRGF2aWQgQ291bmNpbGwgPGRjb3VuY2lsbEBrYXJhbXVyc2VsLm9yZz4gd3JvdGU6Cgo.IFRoZSBvZGRzIGFyZSBmYWlybHkgZ29vZCB0aGF0IEkgd2lsbAo.IGF0dGVuZCB0aGUgTUcyMDEzIGNhciBzaG93IGluIE9yZWdvbiBhcwo.IEkgYW0gbm93IG1vdmluZyB0byB0aGUgYWRqYWNlbnQgc3RhdGUgb2YgV2FzaGluZ3RvbiBhbmQgd2lsbAo.IG9ubHkgYmUgbWF5YmUKPiA0NTAgbWlsZXMgYXdheS4gSSBoYXZlIGEgZmV3IHF1ZXN0aW9ucy4uLgoKCkkndmUgZ290IGEgcXUBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Breneman To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --- On Sat, 5/25/13, David Councill wrote: > The odds are fairly good that I will > attend the MG2013 car show in Oregon as > I am now moving to the adjacent state of Washington and will > only be maybe > 450 miles away. I have a few questions... I've got a question - when and where is it? First I've heard of it. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 15:33:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF804055B for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com (smtp10.bis6.us.blackberry.com [74.82.85.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9C840359; Sat, 25 May 2013 15:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b13.c13.bise6.blackberry ([192.168.0.113]) by srs.bis6.us.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4PLU7k0012563; Sat, 25 May 2013 21:30:07 GMT Received: from 172.29.206.198 (cmp28.c13.bise6.blackberry [172.29.206.198]) by b13.c13.bise6.blackberry (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4PLU4Dp000304; Sat, 25 May 2013 21:30:04 GMT References: <000c01ce597e$7f19c630$7d4d5290$@karamursel.org> <1369517298.89912.YahooMailClassic@web163903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "David Breneman" , mgs-bounces@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net From: dcouncill@karamursel.org Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:30:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Corvallis, Oregon July 17-20 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: David Breneman Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:28:18 To: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon --- On Sat, 5/25/13, David Councill wrote: > The odds are fairly good that I will > attend the MG2013 car show in Oregon as > I am now moving to the adjacent state of Washington and will > only be maybe > 450 miles away. I have a few questions... I've got a question - when and where is it? First I've heard of it. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dcouncill@karamursel.org _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 17:19:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAE84052F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 17:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f181.google.com (mail-gg0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AC040381 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 17:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 21so1679801ggh.40 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 16:06:12 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole :in-reply-to; bh=gd0zx4Vhx41bW4rJqPlzvXpcPxw78rnzxmb2YXMM3hE=; b=R/gcz0pOxp1cMgTDsYWcV4Lh9pm3kx+Bm4H5j/Yu6zQYQgaEWCDm1HNRWC3/Od1qgD jRaLoYTQxQfeki1B5baqqDv2gycRz076BWaE21FNT9xLGRQbGWJeB846f0n03vVjYhc6 kL0cuNymmuQaEByRtJn75VDRuMwBcjdMB8IzAZN78owzMS59B7qB+AVYXy5RXKE2+7W2 HudTh1Mh6jAbxd0z3G0N3Gnlz4QEo/I+A27QUVe2iCfrH6F55eNrXHCarFCInJt6D6NS yYZtfgi1it4G8uS7vzKHw8wDaVizFGOq3Dtj3It5Al7G0VE2D/CQXtx2QL//JOdFIxr7 Zj2g== o12mr12173078yha.15.1369523172291; Sat, 25 May 2013 16:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RPS (ool-18b9408d.dyn.optonline.net. [24.185.64.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v34sm31907252yhn.26.2013.05.25.16.06.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 May 2013 16:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter Schauss" To: Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 19:05:59 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac5ZcTQQc3yyriXoSeq19QZo0GbrnQAALyRQ Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, When I converted my '80 B to dual HS4s I replaced the stock intake/exhaust manifold with the old style intake and exhaust manifolds. Then, in order to get the car past emissions inspection, I bought a generic catalytic converter from J.C. Whitney and spliced it into the exhaust system in front of the front muffler. IIRC, this placed the cat near the rear seal of my overdrive. I made a heat shield out of a piece of aluminum flashing which I fastened to the frame cross pieces with sheet metal screws and fender washers. When my car aged out of the New York emission inspection requirement, I decided that the easiest way to remove the catalyst was to replace the entire exhaust system with an unmodified one. I am keeping the one with the catalyst in case New York decides to change the law some time in the future. - Peter Schauss > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 17:23:30 -0500 > From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare > Message-ID: <519FE862.7080408@justbrits.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > << On 5/24/2013 12:37 PM, Schauss, Peter (ESS) wrote: > > The heat shield also kept the oil which leaked from rear gearbox seal from > dripping on the hot > catalytic converter. >> > > HUH ? ? ? HOW does the CARB (with cat directly below) even get NEAR the > rear of the > GEARBOX, Peter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > Ed > ******** _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 08:52:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B4A4053F for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from epsilon.look.ca (epsilon.look.ca [216.66.192.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9400D403DB for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a45f4.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.69.244] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by epsilon.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UgcAi-0003Yz-TV; Sun, 26 May 2013 10:43:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 10:21:45 -0400 To: "David Councill" , From: Barrie Robinson References: <000c01ce597e$7f19c630$7d4d5290$@karamursel.org> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net David I go to just a couple of shows a year around Toronto. $100 is very high and personally I would not pay that. The British Car Day held just outside Toronto and gathers over 1,200 Brit cars is just $16 per car with as many passengers as you can pack in. Seems to me $100 is a rip off. But if I paid that I would want food, drinks, live band, table cloth on tables and feminine company ! My MGB GT V8 (Rover engine) is completely restored and in show condition but I drive it all over the place including trips to meets in Carolina and Michigan. When I enter shows I do not expect anything more than lining up with other MGs and chatting. I used to win tons of pots and servers with my Austin Healey but not with the MGB because the V8 is not "original" because judges do not realise that V8s were built by the factory - but never sold outside the UK. Also there are those over restored cars that seem to fascinate judges. Best bet is to find a "local" club and join up with some if they form a convoy. I went to Watkins Glen in convoy with A Healeys, MGs, and Triumphs - absolutely fabulous Crossing the border was a blast - One tip - take a Moss catalog with you as one has a tendency to forget prices and think vendors are giving you a deal which is sometimes true. Take a look at http://www.britishcarweek.org/ If you are looking for parts - again your local club should help. Some "shows" have vendors but you have to "know" your event. But there are shows that are specifically parts bent as an example the show at Ancaster, Ontario, a great event that is crowded with vendors and buyers. But at $100 I would give the MG2013 a miss especially as you have not been blooded on more friendly events At 12:31 PM 25/05/2013 -0700, David Councill wrote: >The odds are fairly good that I will attend the MG2013 car show in Oregon as >I am now moving to the adjacent state of Washington and will only be maybe >450 miles away. I have a few questions but I need to put in a bit of context >first. I have owned several MGBs and MGBGTs almost continuously over the >past 37 years. They have proven to be economical and fun vehicles to drive. >On the car show side, I have had some limited exposure. I attended the >Colorado Conclave British car show once about 10-12 years ago and have been >to the Portland (Oregon) British Field Meet twice over the past five years, >all as an observer (and to buy car parts). I have never put a car in a car >show, although people have asked me about it - my cars have always been to >drive. Technically, there isn't anything really show worthy about them, they >are mostly kept original and not necessarily pretty. As this is a NAMGBR >event, I would guess that there could be hundreds (??) of cars, all MGBs >(GTs and Midgets?). I am looking for some insights from those who have been >to these events in the past relative to some of my many questions below? > > > >What would be included in the $100 registration besides 1 car and two >people? Is there a charge just for observers? (I ask because at the Portland >meet, there is a charge for attendees such that I am probably better off >going in with a car plus two - me and my son). > > > >When are the swap meet events typically held since I'd mostly be looking for >parts? > > > >And I have noticed that some people sell or try to sell their cars at these >meets. Would MG2013 be a good place to sell a car to get a good sell price? >This I ask because I am moving into a smaller house/lot in Washington since >my kids have grown up and left. I have 3 MGs currently plus my son has 2 for >restoration so I am thinking about thinning it out a bit. In particular, I >have a 1967 BGT mostly original including very faded paint, restored >interior, strong original engine/drive train that I have been thinking of >selling (but may change my mind). It is hard to say its value using the >recently posted link from Don but if I could get at least $3500 USD for it, >I'd probably sell it right away, but the lower the price under that, the >greater the reluctance to part with it. I just have too many cars right now, >it is hard to truly enjoy all of them although that will change when I am a >bit further away from where I work. > > > >David Councill > >64 B > >67 BGT > >72 B > >01 Land Rover Discovery II >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards, Barrie Robinson barrie@look.ca 705-721-9060 MGB GT V8 in great nick Aston Martin 1957 DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm www.britcot.com www.AMFClub.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 09:08:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711704056E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258244040E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:03:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 14:59:30 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.231] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 14:59:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 14:59:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 78389 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2013 14:59:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369580370; bh=LEczYmBuO9vhETVtzDhQuh+jKr47+JUsx1aS5L7t45k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dCpES9xYOYsAIbl1c4Ap6+THYD2NoWUSK4AQoceGOuABrvq2h1wADglOysIk41CKgZ9+NdCSD1syEu7pH0E9eCWLe18kjRfM1f51piVAKyCSEg1Syz+89UdstfjU0ROkITOokD+wGneRGseO74WD14LnS/J6u1Z7hOaWtCKGJdI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Di/A7FzdUnpw3Zv8RsZ4apOryjzGQzPklBdRleevJpiJv8e14u6Ur26E/R09tWG7/X1H3l+I0neD2LBMt+1tCtKIOvVrviHSxOstEut1dKP44sIhVwP9Zr9qsPyFwgegQvsFhZdAAtHFjkQupkC0eP2LCtf2tcRH1jpMdsKxGR0=; TYr2gbKBDDtltZfZO1uYrOBRH1Ek548oGJGbm_S0rxQMUE8K0DsVkK97E.Od Bov50tcuLiRhl8j0x63pnRi3KdgOLnkUTAP4quxAtWygxFNtKjQVQftb8ELK vOSuL2OtP92PEWOSkcQI1YLV3JYC45prOnUtjztATzkHQlzmu2jynAl8Nkg0 LwEiH69N2J2b3b6qELJs_FNybQFdy7Kh9SNQeRCPMVZmMEey2jUOGAy.6e0T 6qOxR2folXOszi6frBZVW.1DbOhDxY34c8GwkrunXCPNeMqHApxwp7Ua.IXy hbpQjOZ6r24HREeBkyO44JiR8vkg6U852V7g3ET.YznzC8xcs05.9AO925wv 2foLGNLGRK83To.fn35hDwFlnbttUaby35.EofPvEMQUR9gYgrhLo1.mcUsV ufsJfQYvA5qqJyejXr4z.C35iR5FkOQ7T9vCwKsbIuIvlZP62SQ1i073OrHx gV44BS_DPaIXiMDjpzSdbOWeh Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:59:30 PDT SSdtIGd1ZXNzIGhlIG1vdW50ZWQgdGhlIGNhdCBiZWxvdyB0aGUgY2FyLCBzaW5jZSBJIHRoaW5rIGhlIHNhaWQgaGUgc291cmNlZCBhIHVuaXZlcnNhbCBjYXQsIG5vdCBuZWNlc3NhcmlseSBvbmUgc3BlY2lmaWNhbGx5IGZvcgp0aGUgQi4KCkRhbiBECic3NkIKJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQpIYXBweSBCcml0aXNoIENhcnMgV2VlayEKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiAiSnVzdCBCcml0cyAiIFNob3AiIDxzaG9wQGp1c3Ricml0cy5jb20.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXUBMAEBAQE- References: <8AE45871F749FC4CBBE053CF2F8A493C0D16540E@XMBVAG74.northgrum.com> <519FE862.7080408@justbrits.com> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 07:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "Just Brits \" Shop" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm guess he mounted the cat below the car, since I think he said he sourced a universal cat, not necessarily one specifically for the B. Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA Happy British Cars Week! ________________________________ From: "Just Brits " Shop" To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: float & aircare << On 5/24/2013 12:37 PM, Schauss, Peter (ESS) wrote: The heat shield also kept the oil which leaked from rear gearbox seal from dripping on the hot catalytic converter. >> HUH ? ? ? HOW does the CARB (with cat directly below) even get NEAR the rear of the GEARBOX, Peter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Ed _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 09:09:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A0540546 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286974040E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 15:00:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.224] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 15:00:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 15:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 79386 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2013 15:00:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369580442; bh=cBGwSZigsC7GGOr8EEbgdovMfJeQQEYDSFk3+F5RVXY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oDKezZo6ci1djCLXw/VpSWdK2BkJTwpv1U4hWQi7ajl4OIddQdknJ1zV3OwDnCZTZkFVpQeWv5ouPHBffJMbD+qRh2Suo9Pqg16nHM0Q29p32AzIbs/oilpNee2oL1UD6sv0WKCE3N/9oQGgpESXjAqwyeKQ7sop5fx6wlmtV10= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EaAQZke+qpaoLNxKCG5iGpzobrSm+KFNlnuNQvbmsqO5NV823E00HvPEjaxCIZYErEZihPix+bsnmLlkdvYzqr2TWuK9VPBhienWJ1lozVfOeOsQeGWNxokmFGJonlgD7DftnvovH5EovN2VAYHHvIjxQxR6s5xC6nfTZLNZtR0=; PqT7LaE4Sd11i_OSZTZks_BOfPFkuJg.TqfKFNxfT8nJScMR5gOz0i51QHpq rSvO945uwN4PQNTnyfb9jsFnhVoXx6OnpTczVDI8_2yp8sJK2d9C1UID89Fg mOU5ZCsEv0wGjtDm8I5shX3VuZvxfwjlxylzb3zcg5anOb5DBwWyUTtATlEH Swn_Co_Yk84ZvuEOsT4A4207iRh5HOb042RZYZiQ1JHoElguQNzx2yvxuize kToOmoO52g9u5cZ1VHv494XXwkItJ.2VO7et.YkzocUohR_cSObgz8UERODK OT5Rg9wDkSnYVweYmB.Ppr3vCd5d5vT4xEVN8hQayd4dls6rjiFZsjUKTo1a Dm9A1TMEUkDBV3Bgxb549EXwLYCFlHnXNX1c2WL4JH68S0wXXVtqPoZUlL7b nLo19MGOg6JkqNLidvTnkzRVYKwH8g7ydhPIojsOKCtoAgNahBx1GZg.fEq0 f6MQmJg0Gcgn6bCG0GSZK2TyxMCkOkxbnDisL030D4kylmpveYy0O.FHF0KE 2Rtso91qaUOu_AZRTRq7fHhmwUbQM6gLO3tCMV5HurxjA53qXA2TZQqFn41e 1kCmBhv97JUKO5fBQfpLvJzfKre.f.73Q67lVVPQh8cA2D7wS_TQp8Ea8O.f sZlQ242ZlOjdIwR6QsATpYN9Ft6Ue.f2eR7bWMnj9esJkiMeqaJA- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 08:00:41 PDT WW91IGNhbiBhbHNvIHZpZXcgJ2NvbXBsZXRlZCcgbGlzdGluZ3Mgb24gZUJheSwgdGhhdCBzaG91bGQgdGVsbCB5b3UgdGhlIHNhbGUgcHJpY2UuIFRoYXQgd2F5LCB5b3UgY2FuIGhhdmUgbW9yZSBvZiBhIGxvY2FsIHZpZXcuCgpEYW4gRAonNzZCCic2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKSGFwcHkgQnJpdGlzaCBDYXJzIFdlZWshCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogRG9uIDxkb25AbmFwYW5ldC5uZXQ.ClRvOiBtZ3MtYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgPG1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWEBMAEBAQE- References: <51A054FA.9040207@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 08:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Don , "mgs-autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You can also view 'completed' listings on eBay, that should tell you the sale price. That way, you can have more of a local view. Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA Happy British Cars Week! ________________________________ From: Don To: mgs-autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:50 AM Subject: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? This isn't the perfect market check, but it will give you a rough idea as to values. You can adjust the year range. Early ones bring a lot more money in most cases. http://collectorcarpricetracker.com/auctions/make/MG/model/MGB/years/1962-197 3/ --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- At 11:06 PM 5/24/2013, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >I got to looking at Craigs list today. Couldn't believe the asking >prices for most of the MGBs for sale. I know the value will vary >according to condition. Makes me wonder how much they're really selling for. > >CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 09:23:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF05540687 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC4B4040E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 09:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp118-210-69-137.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.178.40]) ([118.210.69.137]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2013 00:41:40 +0930 From: Eric Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 00:41:39 +0930 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Rant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 27/05/2013, at 12:25 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > What the #e!! was NBC thinking?! They time delayed the Monaco F1 > Grand Prix then ran the POST RACE SHOW before the race, spoiling it! > The local NBC channel here in Houston (or someone, network?) also > edited the race coverage to fit their time slot. If their goal was to > alienate the F1 fans, they certainly succeeded! And why was it > delayed? To air a FISHING show! What a bunch of losers. Wow, even we get to see it LIVE (and it finished before midnight which changes when they go to Canada). It was a more interesting race than Monaco usually throws up (and isn't Checo Perez getting aggressive? :) And isn't Grosjean getting more silly _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 26 12:12:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8848A4056E for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 12:12:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F090A40326 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 12:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 18:06:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.251] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 18:06:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1060.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 May 2013 18:06:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 87986 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2013 18:06:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369591610; bh=8gPL5OSGkYzakwLG7//oNUuqs23QAVqDym155b4gUXw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=caGCEz1jbkaSny5RKIqwqq0LVtNUZrCNGxk77QSwxh4qYRSpLHjgn8FAvkzt4Gd+KIWO5PmUwAIskRQyj11Ug3DZTbVuUqoXuuyIp1F0IcWuSWa27VPqxKy2P3PUYyepoDzxh0qX4psV5Tygf4OMjopRNKWGt+O0+CXTT5UMC14= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VmBU9UmbDSSdQSu0x7yzjIZP9c5nK/vh1n/L8d4s5ZFkZgxPuxQUF3kGC6NJmkLjqP5L1bJRmQoC6q7xtbAtrzKfBwVnDdAZmS60TGkLTGSG59I9DtKr8EjtgBMYP1wbIBSSgqRsWVCS9SKxoau9GTZW99vPBWsvfJRxibbVOAM=; uoTnWug2qdTgBPVMlRYIzQw9zi9bW57Oxquje4J8CV05CQTJze6lSndm5.sb SIIQzgueZroLxFLkT11dXA3G_yQDqzhGiEGnLs_sHv5gL4zPHcnK8y1I8528 63HU1byzTQ43qvZ_23E3ef4pd3AUhGlaTMLje9q8u2yMA9ultsfrVZQ.jr3e IWcYi.cMJFp94qWglRQ1g9rcQrosAxzHD487WN4Koydil8gECSO7aKohlN_7 kvvPw_ETTHsxGCVutR4YVbkdTBiFS87AHOoq5611fPQhJIWeaHqnDzSrQVpe 0cu5PZzcbW64B5ZEbZpIzgLfCq3Q3U1KbW21KgCN1OAlbxSjT4keaONJZv6Q iJR.PhgXWP53y17G.HbAAItRsa41EHiOohg3vw1bcAYQrTpMjnqxNptf0mja TZVaeBe0nZZHmUJVeCv9Qc_pY4_mBcsmfkx_ndnF1usG.t1SLYJiIoTmghO1 Rf7Nqvm7Qshyv_YIV4ZXb48.mmrc- Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 11:06:49 PDT SSB3YXRjaGVkIHNvbWUgb2YgaXQgb24gdGhlIGxvY2FsIE5CQyBzdGF0aW9uLCB0aGVuIHN3aXRjaGVkIHRvIE5CQyBTcG9ydHMgTmV0d29yaywgd2hlcmUgdGhleSBkaWQgdGhlIGNvbmNsdXNpb24gYW5kIHBvc3QtcmFjZQppbnRlcnZpZXdzLi4uLgoKRGFuIEQKJzc2QgonNjVCCkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCkhhcHB5IEJyaXRpc2ggQ2FycyBXZWVrIQoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IFJpY2hhcmQgTGluZHNheSA8cmljaGFyZG9saW5kc2F5QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG8BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 11:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Rant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I watched some of it on the local NBC station, then switched to NBC Sports Network, where they did the conclusion and post-race interviews.... Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA Happy British Cars Week! ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:55 AM Subject: [Mgs] OT Rant What the #e!! was NBC thinking?! They time delayed the Monaco F1 Grand Prix then ran the POST RACE SHOW before the race, spoiling it! The local NBC channel here in Houston (or someone, network?) also edited the race coverage to fit their time slot. If their goal was to alienate the F1 fans, they certainly succeeded! And why was it delayed? To air a FISHING show! What a bunch of losers. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 07:37:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE47640451 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 07:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BBC4042C for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 07:36:58 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=VvxzlL8R4h0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7Uihsb9iAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kvYjahpOAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=cw78jc6sGlBC6SlSUE8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=d3U5S9Fu7cwA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=4TRwC4G+tKcqPG942yGPGw==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.58] ([207.155.7.58:50060] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 05/70-12276-29063A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 09:33:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:33:04 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Dan DiBiase , "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" References: <51A054FA.9040207@ktc.com> <1369580441.79113.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, I'm going to look for that. CR On 5/26/2013 10:00 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > You can also view 'completed' listings on eBay, that should tell you the sale > price. That way, you can have more of a local view. > > Dan D > '76B > '65B > Central > NJ USA > Happy British Cars Week! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Don > To: mgs-autox.team.net > Sent: > Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:50 AM > Subject: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? > > > This isn't > the perfect market check, but it will give you a rough > idea as to values. > You can adjust the year range. Early ones bring > a lot more money in most > cases. > http://collectorcarpricetracker.com/auctions/make/MG/model/MGB/years/1962-197 > 3/ > > --------------------------------------------- > > Don Scott, Calistoga CA > USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, > 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. > Japanese cars > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > At 11:06 PM 5/24/2013, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > >> I got to > looking at Craigs list today. Couldn't believe the asking >> prices for most > of the MGBs for sale. I know the value will vary >> according to condition. > Makes me wonder how much they're really selling for. >> CR > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 08:48:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBD140448 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F9DB40440 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4669 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2013 14:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 May 2013 14:39:24 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=4a+gZBsi3YwZ4lsMlk7kSWPTpIbJ97KTtkyEQOUGUks=; b=a67t1OhWxrQ3oIsLy0U+PfHrAsTyszuEYIMYcGRKiNqYf9J87sGz5Kkg0nCFGcfi1vSaE7MIFR752fkTJr/Kn12qXrPaHtN6A1wBmYwKjw7D4WLXcO0vTNXrvIR6KNAp; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36190 helo=[192.168.0.106]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ugya4-0002YL-Hp for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 May 2013 08:39:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:39:24 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <51A054FA.9040207@ktc.com> <1369580441.79113.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51A36090.9020104@ktc.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with sales@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 5/27/2013 8:33 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: > Thanks, I'm going to look for that. >> Plz let us know what you find out, Charley. Should be TX interesting ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 13:07:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103394043F for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C19A403F3 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:05:09 -0600 (MDT) cv=asOxBwkBAZGV0T+WtrXzpfep39GF0kV392HEIHOPyDY= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=VvxzlL8R4h0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=goG-WeZpVEp7-Pa504UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=27Hhmx8JhYxuxU78SKK1sg==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.156.171] ([151.213.156.171:56637] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id EB/72-08543-D7DA3A15; Mon, 27 May 2013 15:01:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 14:01:16 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" References: <51A054FA.9040207@ktc.com> <1369580441.79113.YahooMailNeo@web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51A36090.9020104@ktc.com> <51A3701C.4020308@justbrits.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Value of a MGB? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed 'n all, Took a look. Most of those actually sold were at reasonable prices. Some rough ones fer cheep; some restos sold in the low teens. The ones with astronomical prices are still for sale. CR On 5/27/2013 9:39 AM, " Just Brits " Shop wrote: > << On 5/27/2013 8:33 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson wrote: >> Thanks, I'm going to look for that. >> > Plz let us know what you find out, Charley. > > Should be TX interesting ! ! ! > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 14:13:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1054E40413 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5374006F; Mon, 27 May 2013 14:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id b10so5305308vea.17 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:09:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KiKHX07AsLhsV2po4kf8BCi8RA8b+7Ns/YhPUZMFg6I=; b=bgcEJfLrPQminTXPUX5u3dKycE6HR9zzB/Q71Ns7KQXuJHPKJ4aBe3Mn4PJQCDIpXB M1csfUcpSS2hEmBvYAZDw4ixocBSYf+s8zvcKCiLH4zlmAEzWmRdym6VUirUgSYr39um ecQRa6Zw0PRgne9tHnyvkLonswfKvPhodVSOF4AbGvq1/YJ4uQGuq1xmDKI64mciJluD mnlX2ZxDTCT/tI6eJdzgnx0wqrSfX2AnxOJjKJv8dz8AyLMedkedHQz8B43sfwtMpkOf tHu9N3ENPIt9YAPI5BzopH3Y4ANZacNCqhV1RCobNjzCtB+RukpjyRmYdvKfoufaTz+6 6KOg== dp7mr16183556ved.36.1369685347069; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2013 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 15:09:06 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] The tub, she be free Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Today I removed the TD's tub from the chassis! I installed two angle irons, one under each side at the mount points. I also re-installed the sub-facia to give lateral support there, and I also added ropes to the heavier rear of the tub to control tilt. Here's how it looked once lifted clear of the hoop. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130527_125835.jpg Once airborne, the tub rotated on the ropes but that was no issue. I next rolled to chassis from under the tub, swept the floor and lowered the tub to the garage floor. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130527_130140.jpg Here's the chassis sitting over in the 'forbidden zone' (read: Nancy's parking place). http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130527_130153.jpg I next assembled a pair of sawhorses I purchased just for this purpose. I then raised the tub again, placed the horses under the tub and lowered it onto them. I then carefully slid the sawhorses, tub clamped there upon, over to the storage space. With that done, I could roll the chassis back to the work area - all before Nancy's catching my invasion into preordained space. :-P http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130527_143118.jpg Next up, I just took a couple of pictures of the chassis, sans body. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130527_143247.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130527_143306.jpg I now have a tiny bit of tub repair to complete before tackling the really fun part - the drive train. Woohoo! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 10:49:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCF440449 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E18403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-57.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4SGe0sP000426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:40:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:36:10 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] OT Rant Thread-Index: Ac5bwXWX3v83HAgHCEys26gKYCc78g== Subject: Re: [Mgs] OT Rant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, got me too. Unbelievable. on 5/26/13 7:55 AM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay@gmail.com wrote: > What the #e!! was NBC thinking?! They time delayed the Monaco F1 > Grand Prix then ran the POST RACE SHOW before the race, spoiling it! > The local NBC channel here in Houston (or someone, network?) also > edited the race coverage to fit their time slot. If their goal was to > alienate the F1 fans, they certainly succeeded! And why was it > delayed? To air a FISHING show! What a bunch of losers. > > -rick -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:19:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827F940552 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB8403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-57.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r4SHA0VO019887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:10:06 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:46:50 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon Thread-Index: Ac5Zejw6SHi5KFIxQWKzgjlKiLlPEwCSLbUx Subject: Re: [Mgs] MG2013 - Oregon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Read the event literature or web site to see what is provided for the registration fee. Based on past events, this probably includes a t-shirt and other tchotkes, a tour or road run of some kind, and a dinner or BBQ. It's not $100 for just a one-day show entry. British car meets always include a range of cars from survivors, drivers and barn finds to concours contenders, and the participants have a similar range of interests. Yes, there are people who are only interested in "pefect" cars, but there are plenty of people who aren't comfortable talking about concours points, but are willing to swap breakdown yarns and family histories. This is the national meet for one of the two nationwide MGB organizations (why we need two is another question), so I would expect a good turnout from the west coast, at least. It would probably be a very good place to show a car for sale. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 5/25/13 12:31 PM, David Councill at dcouncill@karamursel.org wrote: > The odds are fairly good that I will attend the MG2013 car show in Oregon as > I am now moving to the adjacent state of Washington and will only be maybe > 450 miles away. I have a few questions but I need to put in a bit of context > first. I have owned several MGBs and MGBGTs almost continuously over the > past 37 years. They have proven to be economical and fun vehicles to drive. > On the car show side, I have had some limited exposure. I attended the > Colorado Conclave British car show once about 10-12 years ago and have been > to the Portland (Oregon) British Field Meet twice over the past five years, > all as an observer (and to buy car parts). I have never put a car in a car > show, although people have asked me about it - my cars have always been to > drive. Technically, there isn't anything really show worthy about them, they > are mostly kept original and not necessarily pretty. As this is a NAMGBR > event, I would guess that there could be hundreds (??) of cars, all MGBs > (GTs and Midgets?). I am looking for some insights from those who have been > to these events in the past relative to some of my many questions below? > > > > What would be included in the $100 registration besides 1 car and two > people? Is there a charge just for observers? (I ask because at the Portland > meet, there is a charge for attendees such that I am probably better off > going in with a car plus two - me and my son). > > > > When are the swap meet events typically held since I'd mostly be looking for > parts? > > > > And I have noticed that some people sell or try to sell their cars at these > meets. Would MG2013 be a good place to sell a car to get a good sell price? > This I ask because I am moving into a smaller house/lot in Washington since > my kids have grown up and left. I have 3 MGs currently plus my son has 2 for > restoration so I am thinking about thinning it out a bit. In particular, I > have a 1967 BGT mostly original including very faded paint, restored > interior, strong original engine/drive train that I have been thinking of > selling (but may change my mind). It is hard to say its value using the > recently posted link from Don but if I could get at least $3500 USD for it, > I'd probably sell it right away, but the lower the price under that, the > greater the reluctance to part with it. I just have too many cars right now, > it is hard to truly enjoy all of them although that will change when I am a > bit further away from where I work. > > > > David Councill > > 64 B > > 67 BGT > > 72 B > > 01 Land Rover Discovery II > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 11:53:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAD440401 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E8A40079; Tue, 28 May 2013 11:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id q13so3351317vbe.36 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DYDfP1ADdT3JKvSPsyVG6nz5Vonct9jiFobMQ7gynZs=; b=jJqvFwHeneGR3150Z6dve2386XcZ2kAydZxATT2De56xlIKj3wNAMK+nravKIgP0qu I3Ysv3pJFqVJcDiqBZdTE0rnZb9cRzAxePp4Nb1p/G0y8HoswW4F5lkGATz46FJahSNP 6fjgNWFZM6zMQLthYnezwuj4Yav1zBiD4QhmGYuzuE3qCvr4/pYGWoI5qBaq956SGfKE k6G9MNYhgfbfpU9wub3PMLhgAy6EA/rd0otRSOMVoQ3c9kBuEQLL9KqxUS7kA9PrvzVN rKZHc49OxPTPl3DqZeguzwbG+8fWpX38Ryj5fXEjWUy0OofUtQSVuRKVv57fDmxAPqYI sZrQ== db9mr18309367vcb.30.1369763339000; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:48:58 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] A little work... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Did a little work on the TD today. Here's the place where I started: Rust on the roll where it attaches to the tub. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_092233.jpg Here's that same flange on the roll, after cleaning, removing the rust, sanding and primering. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100619.jpg Here's the wider view. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100614.jpg As you can see, I'm working from high to low (so gravity helps, not hurts) and from the middle of the frame outward, cleaning degreasing, de-rusting as I go. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_101355.jpg And here are a couple more looks, a little closer in. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100631.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100650.jpg While the primer was drying, and to keep from spreading sanding dust into the wet primer, I moved to the engine. I removed the plenum - the air cleaner had already been removed and refinished - and the carbs. Here they are on the (exceptionally messy) bench. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100358.jpg And here's where they came from. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100408.jpg Here are a couple more pictures, just to document the coming-apart process. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100416.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130528_100432.jpg Note the WHITE socks today! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 13:36:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBD8403D5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC3B40324 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id wp1so5744406pac.3 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:26:42 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=tuMmESzdYEpe1VeNxRCyTwLy4NkFmxIVVFeky3pIcuc=; b=ZmyuGh5+I3L/V/0gFFaqcu9TpUILqJm0pexL5uqex7sr65GxhzfddNIyEPpKDUGTos lZBIK+3WRKbmjYrzAtR2MG7ItF7M8Qf0diwod82obcfjU6j4FBaisuzgBUks1WVh7xxT 9tfY6xeoK15OHB+4l3d+6SK0cPzF4H0qELiBhlmdpKLszyuCv1hMA/VtWqIm8PEs6haW lKHh45nBsecDWAhz15L3p0W6GGT1Cbu9zkQHGE4SB/e5Pn0Eb9oX1JCwekK6nHxAEBgc 4Pdb6ys/uOCJS+iWkD0Ps0qrOGQBSIYy/OdUxO6iWbhz/UjzAZs2SjBRVB2V8Gms1BNq LxrA== r10mr35794991paa.55.1369767819961; Tue, 28 May 2013 12:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fm2sm36277957pab.13.2013.05.28.12.03.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 May 2013 12:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:03:35 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: mgs@autox.team.net, bmcu@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] '78 B licensed! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My new to me '78 B is legally licensed! Had to share. -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 14:53:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BC14043F for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta52.windstream.net (pacmmta52.windstream.net [162.39.147.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87446400A5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:49:41 -0600 (MDT) cv=rVwrq0KWRJE4D9+qU66/XjvombBEfrtdgelRETzSLO0= c=1 sm=0 a=nWZo5VSqEgYA:10 a=HAn-KUZxotwA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=ZF9k_oyQo0_SG85RQPQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=27Hhmx8JhYxuxU78SKK1sg==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta52 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [151.213.156.171] ([151.213.156.171:49940] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta52 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id DB/59-12276-77715A15; Tue, 28 May 2013 16:45:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:45:39 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Andrew Lundgren References: <51A4FF87.8@byu.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] '78 B licensed! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good! Go take a ride. Got a pic? CR On 5/28/2013 2:03 PM, Andrew Lundgren wrote: > My new to me '78 B is legally licensed! > > Had to share. > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 15:09:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC3740687 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34B3403C6 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 20:58:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.215] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 20:58:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2013 20:58:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 97228 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2013 20:58:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369774726; bh=Kp2p+Nit3q1GrMDqVALGVTSzFr4U89UXTJZC+Nh6E2Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y2W18DtjTH/mS0TWx+rBCIYoOzSbDj9AqY2RR/ZSkGWeSsSGlqo+XQ3MPOaK7HKuiFLFBDr1/XuzusePm4bXtk38lmF6eox8QKIbUc/lHgti3iDorakwd6UBPUlQ1CszBUxC5zxJwa/2GJj/lD87S992fD+f1NrpxfUM0tTVAGE= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d9RaP7pjfAsY7rQIHQFBxS5dNiInhkvpSO2k99SL0OZTbQmJttInuwYH2GzIWfGknLHM3XlQRMxyTzgIgDIJj/lInrmlxAwDJ64LViVC/dhabsboGnV7byEwwJli7uoI6d5LF/xjwGIrnDV/qMuLHVvCSSLKxSkihPSDsjLOHNE=; fgkHTk8aX4ZEKoeSebb0PWI0EuKuliyqREYDDScJd99V7ZgBdhxRB9veXWJ0 nRWvhiQ6K6_EO19VkqOvdBiCyZTxJmvWFEwHyU17.8QX2XPD8O1TNf4FH4qj B1qEtzvd06aZYTL_GIT9uF9_dMdlMEsMmeyl3itnaJUQRlAYfj6gsvbVFo7A foXKanIcJbmNIb2sJW88YBn7_iN5QZrdnj2TdFlJz.Ez_q_Omr52iL9n38yt DrGrB923zmdXEbBb_r1fa4KEEofWbc5JgxubaqMCfS0QzLupZPhJb_dxVFEh rq8YXFEz7QkldZk16W2ArxyF0cI99AYzcC_qVtjWP8ZNM9OfM3acoctUgwou 9sWr1xLTMnHDxuSeD72FpxV6BGp8Sx5aEnh0wrJiK_fZ8mw0pl6VR8vJdkwB BU42NLkh2ttCMdJrBp9V1UUkfHRfZd1aUj1AcWOIhnzh2ePX7TPGv_Il5N03 i8o2FH5gSpeRYx.9PmyaFISLb Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 13:58:44 PDT Q29uZ3JhdHMsIEFuZHJldyEKCkRhbiBECic3NkIKJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBBbmRyZXcgTHVuZGdyZW4gPGx1bmRncmVuQGJ5dS5uZXQ.ClRvOiBtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ7IGJtY3VAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQgClNlbnQ6IFR1ZXNkYXksIE1heSAyOCwgMjAxMyAzOjAzIFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZ3NdICc3OCBCIGxpY2Vuc2VkIQogCgpNeSBuZXcgdG8gbWUgJzc4IEIgaXMgbGVnYWxseSBsaWNlbnNlZCEKCkhhZCB0byABMAEBAQE- References: <51A4FF87.8@byu.net> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Andrew Lundgren , "mgs@autox.team.net" , "bmcu@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] '78 B licensed! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Congrats, Andrew! Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Andrew Lundgren To: mgs@autox.team.net; bmcu@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:03 PM Subject: [Mgs] '78 B licensed! My new to me '78 B is legally licensed! Had to share. -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 20:05:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB91040C02 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09F540427 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:05:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz11so5958566pad.16 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:01:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=HpIdH74OhJSTxrCr4LLCWm9OljCvfmBYL1wrlK3/SaA=; b=GEGYB2KHcm862KKSbyks6pPhfap5MdWBtesGNo1I2opn2Rb19AOgaeTend+af3oroG h4sZJJgRQWFNc2LPkK74rI7y8bmE6FIa/fX969O0J4YMY94RnIwANKQZKllpFx5oumld keLY8nYyrmA1oHvT3fKoBZLeke4zlT0OfDHeDSahnpxgm1hmnlhSox5Fiugrn1UulBZu i3/N2O3Zqj3gKKvtTCJsM75RZ+a+kVZLA6jVbvILprLLaYI0R7F7CDJIB4P+FgfXePkz L1OHowytygFaib56EF8ZrfTTjyxRJCMy/fU7TF/cMenIhlrNlQVRJzsDF1+tiVe0Es8z gYaQ== ir1mr458855pbc.197.1369792905842; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.228.103 with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 19:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:01:24 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] Won't start Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mystery solved! Original problem: Drove car 15 miles, ran great. Shut it off and it didn't want to start (it always starts right up). Got it started and drove home; car ran great for the 8 miles home. Shut it off in the garage and it wouldn't start. That was in February. I've been trying to trace the problem off and on since. I replaced the coil and ballast resistor and Paul helped me fix the wiring problem I created when I replaced the original OPUS/electronic ignition with a 45D points dizzy many years back. I also replaced the ground wire in the distributor. I was getting a spark at the points when I separated them with a screwdriver, but I still wasn't getting fire to the plugs. I could see the points were opening and closing from above and I thought that I had gotten a piece of sandpaper all the way through the points to clean them. Finally, after removing the distributor for closer inspection I found a small "pip" at the bottom of the points and a groove it fit in on the other. It must have not been letting a spark form. After replacing the points and condenser, it fired up on the first "crank". I'm sure any mechanic that would have looked under the hood would probably have diagnosed the problem within a few minutes. It took me a little longer:) Thanks to all who offered advice with this. Monte, 79B with HIF's _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 06:45:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A447427D1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 06:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB0F427BD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 06:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 12:41:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.246] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 12:41:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 12:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 97464 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2013 12:41:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369831260; bh=/z9T4Gd0qT+ohUsq8uP5cFcBjSD+cUcXIYfofWRiqfg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mx0grlWgTy3gnxhd0NqKGv+hefDAlmrN/SHVtkAtTlMgIQI6MwD1h6ok4IaboA5lxEbjNjynHH4L4q09En40yx06Ik1U8tkkpg2pjifn8X9EazbUHKJnWwaBjar4+2DscieVGdbX5miIG1ZkLpmS/Glg0RQb9LLd4ASPe1S2WjQ= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nYsuhJfZ0Fl+LWh+mwadbXhvkeWSznkBkorZ7qJs1nsqLDXHXO9T7mSG9IEGpsIySQOftKA+oe3iyStwZXBuMKkh0v8FAsQEj75ohRupEFFUgG10YthMHu9jNRQyBHaYOqbCallYrasCxaFJ34BxlXnuiEdUDdNfZb7HLKCARro=; Z_hu0R7tFEg8g8uhQ8B_xJftgtX19naFoMPKQHCrNSmzm0C2jng3u5c_Jwuc aF4xxGXwEv6nJiPj4WIi0vcqCy_xh5GoKoh5u4QONy0CvgtneUEJdkYVXK7D Pekxy7j8lBmnqCqnYUmSmEafynQhAZQl1KiBB2chPSlBW90gcKu6B.LCJ_J. vfOFyrxPs3j9npTCDrQI9boCU.US7zzAVRAmm9EKv8.WwROr1M9UM_qttQNp 8KOxHHXJg_EBKwN_Z70ktvvA1JYWrpcMv__Gig6yDUw_IQjm9E1ncGvupPE4 KfOl3H3BK4D0OI9R6QDCcZE2yHexjNDG5.A3oSwkktUuZ65WZS3N5bEZGhmh C3.9Ej6txqwSQiGPwr8VhabHGJBz9SS83mQcxfVIh5jJhmcr1IBNY5zd3Jwj P14F9y3fNca2SwFYEeA.YTtn4AFRYSHjjvDpAYnFAXMAG486nBmlO5foG5Xy kI1fHlK9NDcGyxlca3uAFjaprImu4jY5FJwuuPx5y_8fRki3o5lU4ZkjhZw- - Received: from [68.44.138.78] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 05:41:00 PDT Qydtb24sIFJpY2ssIGV2ZXJ5b25lIGtub3dzIHlvdSBhcmUgc3VwcG9zZWQgdG8gd2VhciBCaXJrZW5zdG9ja3Mgd2l0aCBibGFjayBzb2NrcyBhbmQgc2hvcnRzIC8gcm9sbGVkLXVwIHBhbnRzIQoKCkRhbiBECic3NkIKJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmljaGFyZCBMaW5kc2F5IDxyaWNoYXJkb2xpbmRzYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgoKCkFuZCBiZWZvcmUgeW91IGxvb2sgYXQgdGhlIG5leHQgcGljdHVyZSwgSSBtdXN0IHN0YXRlIGEBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 05:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Just some tub-off pictures Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net C'mon, Rick, everyone knows you are supposed to wear Birkenstocks with black socks and shorts / rolled-up pants! Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay And before you look at the next picture, I must state a disclaimer: I do NOT usually wear black socks with shorts! Actually, my long pant legs are rolled up because I fell this morning and scraped up my knees on the concrete sidewalk. My heart is healthier but my knees are buggered. They're coated in Neosporin, even as I type... Okay, now you can look at the picture. :-) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:22:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0C3427FD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23A140424; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:05:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.183]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 29 May 2013 23:01:24 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 29 May 2013 23:01:24 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 29 May 2013 23:01:24 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Andrew Lundgren'" , , References: <51A4FF87.8@byu.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 23:01:27 +0200 Thread-Index: AQFFUud7J9tyKWcjCSn+SGeUMcXmf5ouuXlQ Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[ADAF44A0:01CE5CAF] Subject: Re: [Mgs] '78 B licensed! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good show! Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Andrew Lundgren Verzonden: dinsdag 28 mei 2013 21:04 Aan: mgs@autox.team.net; bmcu@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Mgs] '78 B licensed! My new to me '78 B is legally licensed! Had to share. -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 16:26:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93A4403DD for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:26:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2678403D7; Thu, 30 May 2013 16:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id z11so687613wgg.31 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:22:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d4BaOQrixi66sE79VzDhOZfryuayyuOkJRYC+P4LJkc=; b=uhfCgIkfOB2B3mVOkqONO7SxcG5Go15T4RL+Axj0vz2ABBm3nPqklqpjQmFOAnziJY HjpJvvVnNhYO4uN6ppYT2rJnAbHi4D4f0Gr24d43drK03KJh+XB8udud/zw59oQDTgAU Ac9JaXMxBJIwHRkFAgpth6ramFQ7eJqF4EkZLAJMO/LdcGic7bFSdsm92L2Gq9oS+s3L NnPi9VRdymiqTp1BNe96JRfLm8R1DH+sRuUaqXxGXvF+hn+PArCYFVrBLux6q74eweer zro8NG5WS04cxzsLmJqJTp5Cau6Ka4lMH7Q21PDvheSVI72/4d4f5zmNXqlpaTqMuNCC GuHw== q19mr746406wij.26.1369952532766; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.96.34 with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 15:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:22:12 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Frame painting begins Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Limited prose this evening, plus a few pictures. I have painted part of the frame with POR15. I've also cleaned and refinished the left rear axle and hub. I'll replace the brake shoes and rebuild the slave cylinder later. Here are a couple of pictures. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_104439.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_105247e.jpg I also discovered that the rubber spacers for the rear hinges are not in the rubber kit I have so I have ordered them and the pads at the axle attachment. I also ordered all new brake lines. I have the new flex hoses and copper sealing washers. Here is a pictures of the spring, as removed. I'll write more when the bits arrive and assembly begins. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_074801.jpg I also ordered all new brake lines. I already have the new flex hoses. Here are a couple of pictures, mostly to aid in proper new line routing. I'll write more when the bits arrive and assembly begins. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_161434.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_161453.jpg And that's it. Tomorrow I will continue working the left side of the rear frame. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:47:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC8B40567 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE4440415; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:47:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id kw10so1246537vcb.14 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w1ZUwB29oAERd1ffWkXOlpGYLfWJmaTclBQF2QLv3lE=; b=KUSKyhTOiPuhAOrgW7h07+aAzPHJpNtTCwWPKZSOrZjPJ7zJ9aHCwu91lhE07CAEp3 W5zUtPNOxXHq6G/4TLvCoRAGxUs3VhzSDlFZd5bJfa398RtNQz5hBdByjmf8ZOc7rUA2 bVfxCUQMztXw8UiIPtsGFd1OgNbsgT+t7y9VyEcXm8BqgaVL9ZwGRh+4SFhMkecI1x9K sSOyly4MKzi9XIi/m4vp0hILbvQsiVwJdCTyMhEAhy4GZ1Xa7VW198GA08h8yHqo5e1y Jg+Q4l+8oYb8H76zHOhned/JTcH1Q8/y32Zovkic0CdagkhXR4vwL1FLDaYd1mXTw3F2 aAYA== yz6mr9455811vdb.6.1370022192718; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.225.231 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:43:12 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net, Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Refinishing the diff. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, Yesterday I commented that my quest for this morning was to clean more of the rear axle and the diff. That plan went well, leaving the garage AND me uber-messy. Allow me to share a few pictures. Here's how the rear of the diff looked when I started. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_161508.jpg Here's how it looks today. Notice the brake fluid 3-way fitting. It has been cleaned, inside and out, polished and clear-coated. Its awaiting the new flex line and the hard lines out to the wheel cylinders. The flex is in hand, the hard lines will be here Tuesday. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130531_113303.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130531_113312.jpg Once the paint dries, I'll drain the diff. fluid and replace it with fresh, new Redline 90 weight hypoid oil. (Yes, I have learned the hard way; ALWAYS verify that the filler port can be opened BEFORE draining the oil!) And as I worked on the pumpkin, I realized that I couldn't complete this work properly without cleaning up the U-joint too. Here's how it looked when I started. That's A LOT of grimy grease! http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_161527.jpg Here's a look after degreasing and refinishing. I'll finish the prop shaft later. I'll also pump new grease into the U-joint once the paint dries. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130531_120351.jpg I'm debating whether to clean up the front U-joint and expansion slide now or refurbish it later when I pull the gearbox. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130530_161518.jpg I think I'll wait. Either way, I now have to clean up the garage!!! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net