From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 04:46:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A4F40421 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 04:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDA1403D3 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 04:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id Kmkg1m00F4LtS4201mkgDZ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 11:44:40 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=FUtR-5u2ONIA:10 a=i7w6lSFrsA_cRookqqEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HCh-9SeEpoe5gjrB:21 a=Jva7arFEcqe6bQbO:21 a=Y0xvu9xfLeCJVuWj3m8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=gdjd5VaEUjm5D8z6:21 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Simon Matthews" References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:33:23 +0100 Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Measuring at the battery won't tell you any more than you already know, but it won't do any harm. If turning on the headlights made no difference to the brightness of the warning light, or the voltages (other than them all dropping equally), then the implication is that the alternator diodes are OK, also that the connections between the alternator and the fusebox are OK. However I've not come across the test that Richard mentions, so it would be interesting to hear what that shows. Also compare the voltage at the alternator brown and the alternator brown/yellow. They should be the same, if not it does imply an alternator problem. Then compare the alternator brown/yellow with the fusebox white. If they are different then that is why the light is glowing, as it shows the potential difference between the white and the brown/yellow. The only way the white should be higher is if the alternator brown/yellow is lower than the alternator brown, which as mentioned before does indicate an alternator problem. If the white is lower than the brown/yellow (and consequently lower than all the browns you have tested) then compare the brown and the white at the ignition switch, and at its multi-plug or bullet connections (where present), both sides. Somewhere you must have a potential difference between the brown/yellow and the white, at least one of the above tests should show in what area that is. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- At the fusebox and at the alternator, I measured about 14.2V with the engine running and revved up. With headlights on, this drops to about 13.8V. So, clearly, the alternator is working and the connection to the fusebox is not too bad (I measured 0.2 ohms between the alternator and the fusebox, which did seem rather high). Turning on the headlights on had no effect on the brightness of the ignition light on the dashboard. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 08:42:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF173429B2 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from epsilon.look.ca (epsilon.look.ca [216.66.192.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298E4287D; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a5a03.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.90.3] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by epsilon.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VG8nu-0006zb-PH; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:39:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 10:38:56 -0400 To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net,mgs@autox.team.net From: Barrie Robinson Subject: [Mgs] Seat belts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone got a pair of seat belts for an MGB for which they want to find a home? Regards, Barrie Barrie Robinson MGB GT V8 in concours condition Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.AMFClub.com www.britcot.com www.vectisgroup.ca barrie@look.ca Barrie, Ontario 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 12:07:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F95406B1 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.165]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B4042912 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 18:06:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.175] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 18:06:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2013 18:06:00 -0000 WnCIrW0hSMIfrjaQQhtOXlbAk29M7x.poHCviUbiBOqL3hLA0WRXlP6dUdO8 2vBS82831kUYgh0oOWbLufY33cQtTalkro644LndLHx1N9TGID6JA6burgbe YkhwhVSSNCe.xAKcrrY5lQYOgaecSiQlup.FBQJp6X8TC4yBc2hCLzNf3L2i 6oZq7cP_xqw4O494YDTMvPk.o2QYj_gQ3IYPTmYQRv.3NQBstXdvN_mJ.Lim .lNfp8BwXyI6VcDJYxED5SU_qNJGsPlnY9ycvGs_1dqXwNhiI8nAnuKQoc6J sX.PmNOAlOFos.7mXE2KbMK3h9XmPIs4CA4TY7WnluVOStDKj1Eyi55rs7b8 ZR1h1h4mwNdCWOrYxtJJ.IVC9nYr_35KMXUc.louO8_cGBWmS6cS8d0moaHc attLAPe8lOv8NUAEryVCXmDlmHKBOYnarlJCuAWW2N3pVY4dicbRSGzgvCS_ WCQgyh7wJ smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2013 11:06:00 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:05:59 -0500 References: To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Before you spend a few hundred to powder coat wheels, you need to make sure they are not warped.... hopefully you have a shop you can trust.... On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:16:28 -0600 > From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" > To: bmcu@autox.team.net, "mgs@autox.team.net" > Subject: [Mgs] Cost to blast and powder coat a set of Rostyle rims? > Message-ID: <5222794C.8000807@byu.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Anyone have an idea of what it costs in th US to sandblast and > powdercoat a set of Rostyles for an MGB? > > I found some that look pretty bad. Surface rust and what not. I am not > sure it is worth buying them and bringing them back. > > Thanks! > > -- > Andrew _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 13:03:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014B4427E9 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EECD40446 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12177 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2013 18:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2013 18:56:48 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=GF07jRCtdzS+D1X438fqbXA6RT8SI+lK2fxjVKdSmKw=; b=g5MndmfroR/FznsQ1VMWRyXuojryjScAAoC2VUnHAHSVIMsWEZNCeHDkDzeamDY5z6WSqOLh0bhdl6TUuGH2Mti3txeC4i9GOSEZewEgUUQ/E1x/yodw1DEFf1dzivME; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=37500 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGCpM-00007k-0a for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:56:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 13:57:04 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 9/1/2013 9:38 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Anyone got a pair of seat belts for an MGB for which they want to > find a home? >> HOPEFULLY all you want is HARDWARE, Barrie ? ? ? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 13:35:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C167D42772 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FC2406A7 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id m17so2582607vca.31 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sDClR6ykJAyAv9ic8/AO5zGjZZmrUCL34mV8CY5p+Wg=; b=fJZ5unrXagPyovRwDlBIwE3lk5N+R63tft2yhizd6trCSoIx3Iwl6zWheBDZaAQST5 TOjx0O6ZPMilBmZw9XEiMx0IpCv0TkkHuDEuG0IimhtKafKZs+IniuxXAI0ErQrkay1E 1CM8hbP40e/QXjB1UJm3CS2q8HIldN5ZjXvKAR3mjguAfvgsPI0ccl/1QaU/4U2MyLA7 bInHOrmPaE75BvNo77u67bvSBQMf1j4YQC8/lGrlkXNOSa0NN7WnRnMqab0uLVj6+NyQ IPO31S5zQgnLg9mhw7Vl25Mz3Eus2lDBd9cjl5/BQvigmnroyjjW4SJIYCgbWsx0i7PU JnmQ== Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.164 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:31:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul> <201309010150.r811oYqR013141@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:31:39 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: Barney Gaylord Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net 14.0V at the battery with the engine over 2000rpm. Not 14.5 No AC voltage between alternator output and ground. Simon On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Simon, > > Do what youi should have done in the first place. Measure voltage at > battery terminals with headlights on and engine running. It should be ar > least 13.6 volts at idle, and something over 14.5 volts at 2000 rpm engine > speed. Net time required, about 10 minutes. > > If not sufficient voltage, then remove the alternator and take it to the > nearest auto parts store to have it tested. If it doesn't work well, get a > replacement in the same trip. Go home and put in on the car. Net time > required, about an hour. > > If it was a bad alternator, the problem is fixed that easy. If it was a > good alternator, it didn't cost anything to figure out you were barking up > the wrong tree, and you can get on with cleaning wire connections (like > five days ago). > > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com > > > At 05:02 PM 8/31/2013 -0700, Simon Matthews wrote: > >> .... >> >> At the fusebox and at the alternator, I measured about 14.2V with the >> engine running and revved up. With headlights on, this drops to about >> 13.8V. So, clearly, the alternator is working and the connection to the >> fusebox is not too bad (I measured 0.2 ohms between the alternator and the >> fusebox, which did seem rather high). Turning on the headlights on had no >> effect on the brightness of the ignition light on the dashboard. >> .... >> > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM, PaulHunt73 >> **wrote: >> > Does it glow more brightly with the headlights on? That is an >> indication >> > of bad alternator diodes or bad connections. >> > >> > The first thing you should do is to measure the system voltage on the >> > brown wire at the fusebox, with respect to earth. Ignition off should >> > normally be about 12.8v (unless the engine has only just been turned off >> > when it will probably be higher). Ignition on will drop a couple of >> > tenths. Engine started and running at about 2k rpm should be about >> 14.5v. >> > As you start turning things on it will drop, but with headlights, >> heater >> > fan, stop lights etc. all switched on it should still be above 12.8v. >> > >> > If below that measure the voltage on the output wire of the alternator, >> a >> > thick brown, under the same conditions. If that is also below then the >> > alternator is faulty. If clearly above what you measured on the fusebox >> > brown then there are one or more bad connections between those two >> points. >> > >> > The connections between the two brown wires and the battery cable on the >> > solenoid stud is a candidate for that, remove the battery earth strap >> for >> > safety before tackling these. Also measure the voltage on the brown and >> > white wires at the ignition switch and its multi-plug connections. Good >> > voltage on a brown but lower voltage on a white points to the ignition >> > switch. >> > >> > The first link shows a late model 3-terminal alternator, although the >> two >> > large spades are linked together and are both output spades. The >> > standard-sized terminal is the warning light. The other two terminals >> were >> > never used on MGBs. MGBs *did* have five (69 to 71) and four (68) >> terminal >> > alternators with two plugs, and the second link, left-hand image shows >> the >> > two-plug, five terminal arrangement that a 71 would have had originally. >> > It depends on what you have now as to what you have to do, if you have >> the >> > three spades in a row, two large and one small like the second link, >> image >> > on the right, then the mod has already been done. >> >.... >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> We have a '71 MGB which is having charging problems, I think. The >> ignition >> >> (red) light on the dashboard only goes out (well, it goes very dim) >> when >> >> cruising on the freeway. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 15:25:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB8042746 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:25:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mail.wowway.com (smtp.wow.synacor.com [64.8.70.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA7040653 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:25:26 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:117 a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=AhRLOILGsKkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QP5IY3kgAAAA:8 a=UYwkk_ggHi8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8dNBPBS7AAAA:8 a=vLHvpCaGVOXQgkU4CkIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=zEoJXyrrGmEA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.wow.synacor.com smtp.mail=runner01@wowway.com; spf=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.wow.synacor.com: 96.27.166.67 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wowway.com) Received: from [96.27.166.67] ([96.27.166.67:50182] helo=AcerPC) by smtp.mail.wowway.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 5C/98-05089-5C0B3225; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 17:25:25 -0400 From: "Ray Graham" To: References: <52238E00.1000400@justbrits.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:25:21 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJpM9po96dkhnDfUV1T2M+ysCxfbQHf27Y3mG1MOPA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Speaking of hardware...what size bolt is needed for the seatbelts ...I was told 1 x 7/16...20 thread? Made this purchase today at my local ACE and didn't work? Ray -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of " Just Brits " Shop Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 1:57 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts << On 9/1/2013 9:38 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > Anyone got a pair of seat belts for an MGB for which they want to find > a home? >> HOPEFULLY all you want is HARDWARE, Barrie ? ? ? Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/runner01@wowway.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 15:42:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C272342957 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:42:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.54.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8921406A1 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16204 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2013 21:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2013 21:41:58 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=m0G42tMNEDUmDpcCGJZ4HD1hVBG0fNArOxv1kfaxbuM=; b=Dk1M7ps9Br7mevaKOnkz9GsfDJEDDg6rNokD5dWZ/NvldrWjDZsHb/ZgFYHUJ1sJ5vEC5a4UP/FgB4uVqVHJfUw8RZSlYGMIZS94PjB/vPnul8i7QZpHYrKCH3Z9VbO+; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=36468 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VGFPC-0003hJ-Nu for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 15:41:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:42:14 -0500 From: "\" Just Brits \" Shop" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <52238E00.1000400@justbrits.com> <002701cea759$c40409d0$4c0c1d70$@wowway.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 9/1/2013 4:25 PM, Ray Graham wrote: Made this purchase today at my local ACE and didn't work? >> ** These ARE "SAFETY" items Ray ! ! ! Do NOT "cut corners" ! ! YOU (and passenger) LIFE could DEPEND upon having "THE RIGHT STUFF" ! ! ! ** Just check ARCHIVES for "re-webbing" or some such. And or do a Google. Plenty of folks that WILL supply you with ACTUAL NEW webbing using YOUR hardware. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 15:56:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E53C400A5 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1944069D for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id f4so6660043iea.23 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 14:52:54 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=xiz9tJFyjaMbmur4zk/cmivdFtD44hlDAIdgyJDkEMw=; b=bueUoWvWNmW50Vj4V/47Tp1LebogHr45hUD8P9YHT9CACx5a9N6mz+3tITT7vNNAB0 lW5AL0cgHCygo85+mTHGLzo4FO9YjzKzqHfvaJrYy6J8DM9+kWJzP4gQtL5oFshzYqpu 0GFs1Fzhr6FO6HEhCEA6Yj5Q20zvYEIZ8AYJNrkpup4t3frUSXuVt+F26uNl9xUA6F8w GFOWtpLO2yHKPLaafcAotSLgX5N8BD+eQKchNpNoopAwPMQtlZTP07AXSkYnkZGWD9IK w7LpVB1Qg4OyOMxBk3Hd27EpdsoH2fjKNQdMe9NC5ldOGMGRU3lPe9XmiugEdSYUQnkc 8tlw== me10mr9939322igb.40.1378072374481; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 14:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.17] (97-127-70-76.mpls.qwest.net. [97.127.70.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm19879852igj.10.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Sep 2013 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <52238E00.1000400@justbrits.com> <002701cea759$c40409d0$4c0c1d70$@wowway.com> <5223B4B6.70002@justbrits.com> From: Paul Root Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:52:53 -0500 To: Just Brits Shop Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, He bought a bolt not webbing. ACE with have grade 5 and 8. Sent from my iPad On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:42 PM, "\" Just Brits \" Shop" wrote: > << On 9/1/2013 4:25 PM, Ray Graham wrote: > > Made this purchase today at my local ACE and didn't work? >> > > ** > These ARE "SAFETY" items Ray ! ! ! Do NOT "cut corners" ! ! > > YOU (and passenger) LIFE could DEPEND upon having "THE RIGHT STUFF" ! ! ! > ** > > Just check ARCHIVES for "re-webbing" or some such. And or do a Google. > Plenty of folks that WILL supply you with ACTUAL NEW webbing using YOUR > hardware. > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 16:41:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800F3427FC for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E6E4069A for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.15] (76-191-148-147.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [76.191.148.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r81MdBtL022145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:39:12 -0700 From: Rod Williams Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:39:11 -0700 References: To: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 AM,From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" wrote: >> Anyone have an idea of what it costs in th US to sandblast and >> powdercoat a set of Rostyles for an MGB? You might want to give second thought to powder coating wheels. It isn't generally recommended. Powder coating looks nice but it chips easily and is impossible to touch up and leaves the wheels subject to rust under the powder coat paint where it's chipped. Wheels are an inappropriate place to use it. (don't ask me how I know this. $$$) Frame and other parts work well but it's just not a very rugged finish. You'd likely be better off painting wheels. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 17:29:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D513406A1 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054174069A for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KzUr1m0020FhH2401zVMhY; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 23:29:21 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-x232.google.com ([IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::232]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KzVL1m008234RwG8UzVMvE; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 23:29:21 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id es20so3046382lab.37 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xSws51kQ5lWVzU64LszBqCIOJr/ujwc5sPGGgvlmjzQ=; b=a2/NVBBPjBoBUs9RmuWFu5Ure9sfvElX3NVFpfE5/5EXRUEWjuzC0jnWl9FuZ/cQbe Ct8zpZP1a0E1NCUaDeMt26e/qJY9z9KGY0UGsSi5zdb7PJ3tN9VvF+d1A6PSNvwEQzMw VePfSLqqF55Sa4ynR90yA+LIR5SR/4+oFPBSv8qn+PR34OQwNgrbWJarQacEeOCOLoiM B5tj85BjK37ImkKy8OczJZ9CjNDRhlbt1sCT1Oc7ipv1kS4wyzmgkXmg8xjxB1E8/1Wt d2T5qeU+qQoffzrsprYlQ9esqe/Vow/czeS7yMw6ano+5cdvvRStYnMlCOvAAfDG8hbv gSLw== jp16mr18854104lab.17.1378078159797; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.61.198 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.61.198 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:29:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <8051499E-57AE-4A8A-B521-ED8BAA53644D@sonic.net> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:29:19 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: Rod Williams s=q20121106; t=1378078161; bh=xSws51kQ5lWVzU64LszBqCIOJr/ujwc5sPGGgvlmjzQ=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=JMsJ1LeeO7h1E3HcOageQBiJGMQ7LQ8IJrw1b6NXMhiaywraD8DIJDZNiKC8nDxxP XNKw7zZEscZ6zoLQ5qUxGdHkwFBXqHEpxyLskG59dDs/CRTHl3KoylpTl+F0MYsNyS paFY5/1nHmRnF4QznQ+MBeM2ceQn2cyGf2JdFaNa/gpYrWAHDCUwxzmBGyOoA8MG40 oDVIaIqIoFq2QYM3lxiUA8k7ApOPxoykno54h4M7fUUPXghttlLEVteF3nYUcL80JM teNRKx5mIrL+qqcOHlU3FwTTpo+vhOn/qGsupDA6YmOCFkPqGJAiv2+mVnr04RF1LA 4fSQDT6hls20A== Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I thought the powder coat was supposed to be durable, that is why I was thinking of doing it. I can see what you mean about the chip repair... On Sep 1, 2013 4:41 PM, "Rod Williams" wrote: > On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 AM,From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" > wrote: > >> Anyone have an idea of what it costs in th US to sandblast and > >> powdercoat a set of Rostyles for an MGB? > > You might want to give second thought to powder coating wheels. It isn't > generally recommended. Powder coating looks nice but it chips easily and is > impossible to touch up and leaves the wheels subject to rust under the > powder > coat paint where it's chipped. Wheels are an inappropriate place to use it. > (don't ask me how I know this. $$$) Frame and other parts work well but > it's > just not a very rugged finish. You'd likely be better off painting wheels. > -- > Rod Williams > Petaluma, California > 1967 MGB > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 1 18:00:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2166A4292A for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46CF403E9 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.15] (76-191-148-147.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [76.191.148.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r8200Oxe013521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:00:24 -0700 From: Rod Williams Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:00:24 -0700 References: <8051499E-57AE-4A8A-B521-ED8BAA53644D@sonic.net> To: "Mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Andrew Lundgren wrote: > I thought the powder coat was supposed to be durable, that is why I was thinking of doing it. Yeah, that's what I thought too. I've had several items powder coated, some auto, some not. It's a *very* attractive finish but as I've discovered and been told by others is that it only works on surfaces that don't get much physical contact. It ends up being very much like a very thin porcelain coating. It was a complete disaster on the wheels I did. After two years they were chipped with rust under the paint where the chips happened. No amount of beer and time made it possible to get an acceptable touch-up to the chipped spots, not to mention the rust. I eventually had to have the wheels stripped and repainted with high quality conventional paint. They've been on the car for seven years now and look like new. Good luck. -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California 1967 MGB _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 01:42:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC02F4272D for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 01:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1E740514 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 01:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id L7im1m00c4LtS42017imsB; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 08:42:47 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=FUtR-5u2ONIA:10 a=L5ZCMLhG9l4QyO5cEbwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ylTGdPWwAGAA:10 a=YLPKEB2kMIUA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Simon Matthews" References: <533CA74FFAD74676A21849AF627F1496@paul><201309010150.r811oYqR013141@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 08:15:36 +0100 Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alternator? problems Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, now check the voltage differences between the browns, brown/yellow and white. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > 14.0V at the battery with the engine over 2000rpm. Not 14.5 > > No AC voltage between alternator output and ground. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 09:27:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7942F4044B for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from theta.look.ca (theta.look.ca [216.66.192.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3FE40433 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a5a03.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.90.3] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by theta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGVzM-0000kq-W3; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:24:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:15:09 -0400 To: Rod Williams , "Mgs@autox.team.net List" From: Barrie Robinson References: <8051499E-57AE-4A8A-B521-ED8BAA53644D@sonic.net> <98159C45-40BA-4309-85BF-C5FA03846457@sonic.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks,\ I used powder coating on my Austin Healey, my MGB GT V8 and now on my 1957 Aston Martin. I did every possible piece that could be done on all three. So I love the stuff, It does wear well but just like a layer of plastic which it sort of is. If rust comes through it then is was not cleaned properly before coating. Trouble is these days that NA "craftsmen" are taking up the same stance as today's manufacturers - cheap and throw away mentality. You have to find a good powder coating shop. The shop should have rubber plugs to fill bolt holes and stop the coating inside the holes. Make sure parts that fit tightly are not done as it is a pain to get off. The only solvent that will work is banned !!! And there are different types of coating - some "chalk" in sunlight, some gloss types lose the gloss rapidly. So go to an expert shop and explain where the part goes. I have seen wire wheels and disc wheels done at my shop and they were spectacular. My chap said he never gets complaints about rust or chipping and his major business is hot rods and rice burners who want spectacular wheels At 05:00 PM 01/09/2013 -0700, Rod Williams wrote: >On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Andrew Lundgren wrote: > > I thought the powder coat was supposed to be durable, that is why I was >thinking of doing it. > >Yeah, that's what I thought too. I've had several items powder coated, some >auto, some not. It's a *very* attractive finish but as I've discovered and >been told by others is that it only works on surfaces that don't get much >physical contact. It ends up being very much like a very thin porcelain >coating. It was a complete disaster on the wheels I did. After two years they >were chipped with rust under the paint where the chips happened. No amount of >beer and time made it possible to get an acceptable touch-up to the chipped >spots, not to mention the rust. I eventually had to have the wheels stripped >and repainted with high quality conventional paint. They've been on the car >for seven years now and look like new. >Good luck. >-- >Rod Williams >Petaluma, California >1967 MGB >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards, Barrie Barrie Robinson MGB GT V8 in concours condition Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.AMFClub.com www.britcot.com www.vectisgroup.ca barrie@look.ca Barrie, Ontario 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 09:27:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A082B40450 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from theta.look.ca (theta.look.ca [216.66.192.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29974043C for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from e120-pool-d89a5a03.brdbnd.telnetcommunications.com ([216.154.90.3] helo=Barrie-PC.look.ca) by theta.look.ca with esmtpa (user vectis@look.ca)(Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGVzN-0000kq-3V; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:24:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 11:24:20 -0400 To: Rod Williams , "Mgs@autox.team.net List" From: Barrie Robinson References: <8051499E-57AE-4A8A-B521-ED8BAA53644D@sonic.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks at world, I have done tons of stuff with powder coating, like bending brackets, standing on the back axle, mantling and dismantling, drilling, and of course swearing but I have never had a chip !! At 03:39 PM 01/09/2013 -0700, Rod Williams wrote: >On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 AM,From: "Andrew B. Lundgren" >wrote: > >> Anyone have an idea of what it costs in th US to sandblast and > >> powdercoat a set of Rostyles for an MGB? > >You might want to give second thought to powder coating wheels. It isn't >generally recommended. Powder coating looks nice but it chips easily and is >impossible to touch up and leaves the wheels subject to rust under the powder >coat paint where it's chipped. Wheels are an inappropriate place to use it. >(don't ask me how I know this. $$$) Frame and other parts work well but it's >just not a very rugged finish. You'd likely be better off painting wheels. >-- >Rod Williams >Petaluma, California >1967 MGB >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrie@look.ca Regards, Barrie Barrie Robinson MGB GT V8 in concours condition Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII under restoration www.AMFClub.com www.britcot.com www.vectisgroup.ca barrie@look.ca Barrie, Ontario 705-721-9060 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 14:50:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7B54040E for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com (mail-pd0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729BA40329 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id y10so5089181pdj.25 for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:42:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=40fKk3zSlKWhXsZun86OG4fkQSAjxZNtcjSVI0wJa2Q=; b=Rsao8q18XVIt0rjWwUMUpXKRVWDEcSVD2p/U+UImHKR92U6wBLkWmQCkaQ8sAi3Kpv G11RbQHMwl5+OTFTKVu9zEwugGJi8ZGnwloNPZ+bcIju9eAPpXDrWEJZayOpL6dFLFrs 5ZsRiVAizzVrhNI6yw9xfyi3rngLzdjnAxjhUC0PX0Ob2tp39ypL0obLom4HkIAsvxqy JZVrPGmpaERRrD9n54VXt027UnGhDChRABpQVKmYTEQEpniaB5b5Fk1IVsH3A3v9zJGw 8oyMM7Y+aGBI7kz0ZfcThQNpjvCA0wS8HIShd8HySf45zWGhNdFKwpIIw2PFPvkL0UUm PDuw== tg9mr28450917pab.5.1378154528636; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.184.161 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Monte Jane Morris Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 15:41:28 -0500 To: MG list Subject: [Mgs] Dead in the water Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The 79B (with points and HIF's) had to be trailered 4 miles home today:(. I noticed when I started it to go to town that the ignition light didn't come on, but it started fine and I figured the bulb was out. It ran great the 8 miles to town. Shut it off and ran into the store for 10 minutes and it wouldn't start. It cranked once or twice and then no sounds but the door buzzer and the electric fans. All gauges were working; again NO ignition light. I pushed it to get it started and it started to miss a little, then after 4 miles it started missing a lot and then died completely. The door buzzer and the electric fans still worked, but not even a click from the starter. I checked coil, alternator, and dizzy connections as well as the fan belt and they seem OK. We're leaving in the morning and will be gone until November, so I won't have time to work on it now; not even check to see if the battery is good. We're frantically packing:) But I thought I'd appeal to the knowledge of the list while the symptoms are fresh in my mind. Ideas? Alternator? Would a dead alt causing it to miss before dieing? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 2 17:46:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29A7429CB for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mail.wowway.com (smtp.wow.synacor.com [64.8.70.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2384282E for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:45:59 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:117 a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=AhRLOILGsKkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QP5IY3kgAAAA:8 a=UYwkk_ggHi8A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8dNBPBS7AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=lfntYd6odUitxb_mH1EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=8a3dC_7cmhgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=zEoJXyrrGmEA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.wow.synacor.com smtp.mail=runner01@wowway.com; spf=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.wow.synacor.com: 96.27.166.67 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wowway.com) Received: from [96.27.166.67] ([96.27.166.67:52284] helo=AcerPC) by smtp.mail.wowway.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 92/A2-05089-63325225; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 19:45:58 -0400 From: "Ray Graham" To: "'Paul Root'" , "'Just Brits Shop'" References: <52238E00.1000400@justbrits.com> <002701cea759$c40409d0$4c0c1d70$@wowway.com> <5223B4B6.70002@justbrits.com> <53033CF2-DDDD-497E-9E0B-2BC26E61D875@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:45:49 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJpM9po96dkhnDfUV1T2M+ysCxfbQHf27Y3AjhGFzsCKQLdtgG9gpvAmD4Pu6A= Content-Language: en-us Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's right...just the bolts. I think the size is correct just needs to be finer thread. Thanks for the safety talk, though, Safety Fast! Ray -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:53 PM To: Just Brits Shop Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Seat belts Ed, He bought a bolt not webbing. ACE with have grade 5 and 8. Sent from my iPad On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:42 PM, "\" Just Brits \" Shop" wrote: > << On 9/1/2013 4:25 PM, Ray Graham wrote: > > Made this purchase today at my local ACE and didn't work? >> > > ** > These ARE "SAFETY" items Ray ! ! ! Do NOT "cut corners" ! ! > > YOU (and passenger) LIFE could DEPEND upon having "THE RIGHT STUFF" ! ! ! > ** > > Just check ARCHIVES for "re-webbing" or some such. And or do a Google. > Plenty of folks that WILL supply you with ACTUAL NEW webbing using > YOUR hardware. > > Ed > Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/runner01@wowway.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 02:00:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B506B40431 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 02:00:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1B140403 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id LXvL1m00E4LtS4201XvLv1; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:55:20 +0100 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=Su0Ee8GkLacA:10 a=3f8rzWVP58jaCjZ-08YA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Monte Jane Morris" , "MG list" References: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:35:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Dead in the water Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like it wasn't charging so the battery is flat. Could just be the plug fallen out, I've never known an ignition warning light bulb fail. Even when they are disconnected in my experience a used alt will start to charge when revved to 2-3000rpm or so, then charge normally down to the usual 600rpm or so, a useful 'get you home' feature when the problem is a disconnection in the warning light circuit. Get it started with a battery pack and measure the voltage on the brown at the fusebox with it running at 2000rpm or so and you should see about 14.5v. If you have removed the battery pack and yours does happen to be charging and it was the battery flat for some reason it will probably be lower while it charges your battery. If you only see about 12.5v then it isn't charging. In which case check the voltage on the brown and brown/yellow (ignition on) at the alternator plug. You should see battery voltage on both, if so it is almost certainly the alternator that has failed. As a final check you can earth the brown/yellow (be careful NOT to earth the brown!) and check the warning light glows, ignition on. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I noticed when I started it to go to town that the ignition light didn't > come on,... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 14:01:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F1D40454 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4532040418 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MSK00I5PFIVMN50@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:59:20 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:59:18 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of Peter Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 14:47:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372A44041A for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F74840417 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-159.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.159]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r83Ke0pd032006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:40:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:24:04 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Thread-Index: Ac6o44hpQJ3HGcWkaEGpaV/mImsnDA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Really? He has been my favorite part of the magazine for many years. I'll miss his column, and his road trip features. on 9/3/13 12:59 PM, frankk12@verizon.net at frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of Peter > Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of > enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. > Frank Krajewski -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 14:50:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AAD4041C for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CAB40417 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MSK009X2HUXSK60@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:49:46 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "Max Heim" References: Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:49:56 -0400 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net He has been writing for R&T for 30 years. I will be ending my subscription after he leaves in October. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan > Really? He has been my favorite part of the magazine for many years. I'll > miss his column, and his road trip features. > > on 9/3/13 12:59 PM, frankk12@verizon.net at frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > >> Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >> Peter >> Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source >> of >> enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. >> Frank Krajewski > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 14:51:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4314240548 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DA64003A for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2013 20:51:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.238] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2013 20:51:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2013 20:51:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 16636 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2013 20:51:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1378241474; bh=NEj6uYYun+MLaT5176I6WTXvIvBlM5LUjrN2S4ctqzU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EAl3EADU9lD3tzpWWSbmJwaw1IwbX89V1SZG20DidLffsj/t+fQ6L2+ANvWO76qNp85MwJoddxn9tiUOyWsAi0jMdeYd5Xlv1dAmrQ3euepZbKdTYc7QULT1i12mj6neN6noTTj1SkIs+DXxOBEfgb+7k+oeLSDEm2qTAMCL/uk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FTA7WLXNO1Ei8gZk19BL/s/Fq8Ef9oaLjBvM5zhBBrnFmsRGCqM3wpGz6UbzDly1n6ROn4fceeWoJdtr49DUb727xG+P8XA2gROW12B6QpMcxyVvUouf0zVmwhlWGBsHZc55e88V/3Az3IGtffd4S8E02y1RULkB/jDM4tKiJnk=; eKc8OyIOB3vSx9Obdp9SK0q3e_nLg0kjLdbXY_mK_smQM7AZpz7mrvezO188 VrRu1MmvSLBZx3W3Gi_qpcU4r0F4TmvIMZ8TgRKT_i9wWyT3rrbQZNfKVKjT hHN0G9Z5NhjW4XejoVo_k1p.XvWCxBTn_sjLqGvngDSs8KAwiluFXH1Usijk U2St03qNGRrc8Pw0G9a2yNuNXbM9nlqc56QAmYzt49YEtTn0oKvB_IrC.IAr qHMI.QotkJWfcL35L7INSsavKNu0LG9_D8CjaeKyX5vDkr0hBV.kfNE3HfeN KBCqv7hSgxM.SzRTyfC6YbjFKJ_yIF5gDUFLDd9CIIKigeGWEk0Awsh5hYBc .wdwLi.gNoAn4tr8ZZovdMy6IXQWfPgOSiLd905TrRt8OxO6V8MeA9bXdVGt Pdg5na8oJR90LlPhjFB_tKnHFDfPB54M4aAYxqonwGOIK_pRYTUnHGjW4dFh 8zxOMxD2_ITLGUn_rF8Zrs8oYyg593YWVfePCk1tDb3JF_tH85gB3NgJU_gg bkG8f2aNI Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:51:14 PDT S2luZGEgc3RyYW5nZSB0aGF0IGhpcyBsYXN0IG1vbnRobHkgU2lkZSBHbGFuY2VzIGNvbHVtbiB0YWxrcyBhYm91dCBWVydzLi4uLi4gCgoKRGFuIEQKJzc2QiwgJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogImZyYW5razEyQHZlcml6b24ubmV0IiA8ZnJhbmtrMTJAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ.ClRvOiBNRyBMaXN0IDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.IApTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMywgMjAxMyAzOjU5IFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNZ3MBMAEBAQE- References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: "frankk12@verizon.net" , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Kinda strange that his last monthly Side Glances column talks about VW's..... Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: "frankk12@verizon.net" To: MG List Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of Peter Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. 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I will be ending my subscription after he leaves in October. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Heim" To: "MG List" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan > Really? He has been my favorite part of the magazine for many years. I'll > miss his column, and his road trip features. > > on 9/3/13 12:59 PM, frankk12@verizon.net at frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > >> Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >> Peter >> Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source >> of >> enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. >> Frank Krajewski > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 17:40:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7603440442 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6010D4044D for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n12so3596269oag.1 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=NkLkDI1rkIXIOc8RLVpIBOI/z/upbXNfAWhQWb3Wa50=; b=rq9SBe7JLL8MmwA59zWt53uLBpJdnsMr34yAXvbqdAd9m4ENLxClDLYxYZKDcygPi8 hzfA4pWVC9C0F6OmA6dW3oIpx+jKRFweiB5VSp97m9jDNvYeZ16+BYAOl7Cwqh2Ef3nO spB1ocGAM5BnPg5JqIcJl6DI1uNxGAwUzOCt000XP/45xZSr74bUNQZUpB5aDHigSPNf NcMAjvuGvt6KSnNUruPuRB9R43tgjduutOKfIfJSgKubp5O8woqSmZWmagEHLzRB5lF0 5Apq8iBDzfkA+YqzzeApte8ib0IR6JujsycjthlumPlucF8zcAMgcUImvYk4Ebp8bQnQ UG7A== oo4mr22687952obb.50.1378251590098; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.17] (97-127-70-76.mpls.qwest.net. [97.127.70.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm20959678obg.13.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:39:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> From: Paul Root Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:39:48 -0500 To: "frankk12@verizon.net" Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Oh horrible news. Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription to R&T years ago. To me, there was nothing worth reading other than Peter. Sent from my iPad On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, wrote: > Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of Peter > Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of > enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. > Frank Krajewski > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 18:26:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8130642916 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp152.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp152.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAEA4042E for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp55.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E79DF2E0301 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp55.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id DB8342E03B9 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:25:32 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> Subject: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I decided last week to not renew R&T. I have been a subscriber since 1967. Maybe I had a psychic premonition that Egan was leaving the magazine, as it's the only thing I still enjoyed in R&T. I have issues of R&T back to 1948 in my closet. It is interesting how the magazine has changed over the years. Sad, as they could put out a Classic Road & Track incorporating their archives with new articles on classic sports cars. --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars At 04:39 PM 9/3/2013, you wrote: >Oh horrible news. > >Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription to R&T years ago. To me, there was >nothing worth reading other than Peter. > >Sent from my iPad > >On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, wrote: > > > Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >Peter > > Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of > > enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. > > Frank Krajewski > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/don@napanet.net > > >----- > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6634 - Release Date: 09/03/13 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 3 18:55:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB401400A4 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8D4403A8 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E51A101C for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 18:45:33 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder when Road & Track last included 'passing exposure' times in a road test? 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Oh, and Henry M Manney III was great, too. I get both Car and Driver and Motor Trend and they are essentially similar, although CD's writers are generally better (and John Phillips is the poor man's HMMIII). They also always have deals of like $6 for a year.... Dan D '76B '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Don To: mgs-autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan I decided last week to not renew R&T. I have been a subscriber since 1967. Maybe I had a psychic premonition that Egan was leaving the magazine, as it's the only thing I still enjoyed in R&T. I have issues of R&T back to 1948 in my closet. It is interesting how the magazine has changed over the years. Sad, as they could put out a Classic Road & Track incorporating their archives with new articles on classic sports cars. --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars At 04:39 PM 9/3/2013, you wrote: >Oh horrible news. > >Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription to R&T years ago. To me, there was >nothing worth reading other than Peter. > >Sent from my iPad > >On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, wrote: > > > Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >Peter > > Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of > > enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. > > Frank Krajewski > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/don@napanet.net > > >----- > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6634 - Release Date: 09/03/13 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 4 07:50:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6A240525 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 07:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3DC403BB for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 07:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MSL00GYQSRLXC40@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:42:58 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" , "Paul Root" References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:42:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net He was the only reason I maintained my subscription and now I have let it expire. Lately it has tried to get too trendy and appeal to a younger crowd which leaves me out! Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Root" To: Cc: "MG List" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan > Oh horrible news. > > Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription to R&T years ago. To me, there > was nothing worth reading other than Peter. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, wrote: > >> Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >> Peter >> Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source >> of >> enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. >> Frank Krajewski >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 4 07:50:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60204053C for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 07:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C9D4051E for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 07:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from frankdcczr6l6k ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MSL00MPET2CS380@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:49:25 -0500 (CDT) From: To: "MG List" , "Dan DiBiase" References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> <1378295451.55973.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:49:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dan: The best magazine I receive these days is Sports & Exotics published by Hemmings. It it loaded with articles about LCBs and a few Italian cars thrown in. Frank Krajewski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan DiBiase" To: "Don" ; "mgs-autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan > R&T used to be different from the other major car mags as they had > extensive > racing coverage - their Formula 1 coverage with Rob Walker > used to be > phenomenal, and I'm not a huge racing fan - but I used to read his > reports. > Oh, and Henry M Manney III was great, too. I get both > Car and Driver and Motor > Trend and they are essentially similar, although CD's writers are > generally > better (and John Phillips is the poor > man's HMMIII). They also always have > deals of like $6 for a year.... > > Dan D > '76B '65B > Central NJ USA > ________________________________ > From: Don > To: > mgs-autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:25 > PM > Subject: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan > > > I decided last week to not renew R&T. > I have been a subscriber since > 1967. Maybe I had a psychic premonition that > Egan was leaving the > magazine, as it's the only thing I still enjoyed in > R&T. I have > issues of R&T back to 1948 in my closet. It is interesting how > the > magazine has changed over the years. Sad, as they could put out a > Classic Road & Track incorporating their archives with new articles > on > classic sports cars. > > --------------------------------------------- > > Don > Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, > 1963-7 MGB > (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars > > > > > > At 04:39 PM 9/3/2013, you wrote: >>Oh > horrible news. >> >>Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription to R&T years ago. > To me, there was >>nothing worth reading other than Peter. >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, wrote: >> >> > Shall we > observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >>Peter >> > Egan > from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source of >> > > enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. >> > > Frank Krajewski >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > > Mgs@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested > annual donation $12.75 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Mgs@autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/don@napanet.net >> >> >>----- >> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: > 3222/6634 - Release Date: 09/03/13 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 4 10:58:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B4C40525 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B921240432 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:58:18 -0600 (MDT) cv=mOutQjS8cA+RiwbnZ0xzQ5Rk4tKrU8/wqwWkxk6fMEA= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=WHRDiUPsKmzG5J1A26UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=j7V+AqijypFUp5hD3gVkVA==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [75.91.228.157] ([75.91.228.157:49492] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 03/46-14823-8A667225; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:58:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:58:10 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: frankk12@verizon.net References: <700859E274A04F9CA1AB5ABC0A0B2AE2@frankdcczr6l6k> <1378295451.55973.YahooMailNeo@web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <241B20AC700A4605B8482651B3756909@frankdcczr6l6k> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I got a kick out of the last Issue, "When Pickups Trucks Come of Age." Huh? Half the vehicles in my county are pickups & out in the desert southwest & the border there's some real old iron still running. Shux, most of the do-it-yourselfers & motorheads have a pickup, as I do. Nice article, though. :-) CR On 9/4/2013 8:49 AM, frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > Dan: The best magazine I receive these days is Sports & Exotics > published by Hemmings. It it loaded with articles about LCBs and a few > Italian cars thrown in. > Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 4 11:14:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5AB4052A for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D6A40325 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (173-228-28-159.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.159]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r84HA1QK030267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:10:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:41:16 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Thread-Index: Ac6pjZLgeXU50nYawU+sUu3sSAO9dg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I was skeptical when R&T moved to Detroit and completely revamped the layout and features -- I too thought they had gone terminally trendy. But actually, now that I'm used to the look, I think it's a better magazine now than it was a couple of years ago, when it seemed pretty tired. Egan will be sorely missed, however. It was sad when they stopped covering F1, but really, with their lead times, it was ancient history by the time it was published, and couldn't compete in the age of live Speedvision and streaming web video. I wish I could find that level of in-depth insider reporting somewhere, though -- F1 websites seem to be all gossip, snarkiness, and uninformative driver interviews. It was a remarkable circumstance to have an actual team owner (Walker) -- and one who knew absolutely everybody -- providing candid race reports. We'll never see that again. I couldn't stand C&D after the mid-seventies -- the cigar-chomping machismo attitude was so juvenile. Even Car Craft ("Loud. Fast. Real.") is more tolerable. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 9/4/13 6:42 AM, frankk12@verizon.net at frankk12@verizon.net wrote: > He was the only reason I maintained my subscription and now I have let it > expire. Lately it has tried to get too trendy and appeal to a younger > crowd which leaves me out! > Frank Krajewski > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Root" > To: > Cc: "MG List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Goodbye Peter Egan > > >> Oh horrible news. >> >> Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription to R&T years ago. To me, there >> was nothing worth reading other than Peter. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, wrote: >> >>> Shall we observe a moment of silence on this list for the retirement of >>> Peter >>> Egan from his Side Glances column in Road & Track? He has been a source >>> of >>> enjoyment especially for British car ownerts for as long as I remember. >>> Frank Krajewski _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 18:11:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8235B42B3E for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi176.prodigy.net (nlpi176.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B8242A54 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-141-142-14.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.141.142.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi176.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r860BAI2012669; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 19:11:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:12:50 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net, britishcars@autox.team.net From: Barney Gaylord Subject: [Mgs] New No-Name Dipper Switch may burn your wiring harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Heads up to a faulty new part with possible serious consequences. Some new no-name dipper switches have an internal fault that will short power to ground when depressed. If held in the depressed position it could burn up your main wiring harness. The part is widely used on many brands of British cars, especially in the 1950 to 1965 production period. The switch is patterned after Lucas type FS22. but it is not a Lucas part. It is a replacement part for BMC part number 1G2007. Known bad parts came from Moss Motors (171-900) and Scarborough Faire. They have been notified. Moss has placed a stop on sales of the part pending investigation. If you have one of these no-name dipper switches, use a continuity tester or ohm meter to check resistance from the center input terminal to the housing when the switch is depressed. Check it through at least two switching cycles, because it only shorts on every second cycle of the switch. If you have one of the switches that has this ground fault, please let me know, and also the name of the supplier if possible. For pictures and more information see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/faulty/ft063.htm Best cautious regards, Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 5 21:32:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8C442B92 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5238242A6A for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:29:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (184-157-25-208.dyn.centurytel.net [184.157.25.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r863TewM019818 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 03:29:42 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: References: <201309060011.r860BAI2012669@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:29:40 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6qlas7lg1SyE19Tw+H7ALMtG+OhwAG4R3Q a=dDYIzDmV3bIA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2t2BjvzmeXoeMfwRDNtQiQ==:17 a=u3h_KM-zhFEl6x8maoEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Rw7ciaHQNpQA:10 a=qXBWlznhsK8A:10 a=2t2BjvzmeXoeMfwRDNtQiQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] New No-Name Dipper Switch may burn your wiring harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Barney, Good catch. Thanks for the heads-up. David _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 7 12:19:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F5B40447 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 12:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8FC40415 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 12:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130907181908.USNW3892.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 14:19:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([72.199.157.107]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id NJK71m00N2KJoQg01JK7w0; Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:19:07 -0400 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:17 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=jPQs_kPz4PoA:10 a=GnIMAVZir1a5tiFwrisA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=OrqhoKBopJIA:10 a=VXWcMkESqP0A:10 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 11:19:04 -0700 From: David Ambrose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: MG Mailing List Subject: [Mgs] Free seat cushion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a spare seat cushion that fits the driver's side of a '69 MGB. It's been sitting in the garage almost 20 years and I don't think I need it. It's still in the factory plastic shrink wrap, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. It's not brittle or weak. Free to good home, you pay shipping. I'm in Poway, CA. Cheers, Dave Ambrose _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 8 09:07:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B1B40558 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mailbag.wi.net [209.225.111.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23B6400A4 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.225.111.205] (helo=wm.wi.net) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1VHxv2-0004nk-1Y; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:25:56 -0500 Received: from 108.115.162.208 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dwoerpel) by wm.wi.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:25:55 -0500 (CDT) References: <201309060011.r860BAI2012669@nlpi176.prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:25:55 -0500 (CDT) From: dwoerpel@wi.net To: "David F. Darby" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] New No-Name Dipper Switch may burn your wiring harness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net YES! Well done Barney! Have one on me. It's folks like Barney and others that make this list so valuable. Best, Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA > Barney, > > Good catch. Thanks for the heads-up. > > David > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dwoerpel@wi.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 13:39:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3E74040A for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBF0400A4 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCD0A1923 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:38:01 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: MG List References: Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Further notes on Peter Egan and the "new" R&T: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts I was talking to Peter during the rain delay. He said the new management came to RT in California and said the offices are moving and none of you are coming. They basically fired everybody but Peter. Than one of the junior editors told Peter to rewrite an article. Seriously tell Peter Egan to rewrite an article. That was enough for Peter. He said he would give them the three articles he was working on and call it quits. They even fired the great motorsports photographer Jon Lamm. He did not say unemployed for long. Some say change is good. In this case I do not agree. RIP Road & Track John _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 15:00:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC57B403D5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306874009B for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2013 21:00:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2013 21:00:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2013 21:00:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 86548 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2013 21:00:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1378933207; bh=fG84rnKw15eEy/4eD5ysr4k64jKQPFvwc25f1mlyHis=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mi8QMtc9Xah0dOq/rvnqF7ZovGoYwmRI2WOzUtk5O6RRtlfEZraSvKcxpE0/Phn2RE7YRxSOEyqyh9yHNBVanF98cbiCRpMwXAnFG74o/8tuhZ4NlVCxnxYVsBpoyye5mlKOQzM+gq/41hxXnlL6h7Wt5dxiivOt0gsGnj4/z1U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AE71o50xagS2VeBsGGi1lU+ZTUxhszuqcRp/2x7719wF7FIMs0Y1uKkgBHRjxXG8b8fqDSQkVQ4a+LYrIyM6vw0Lg7bKyqZdmFPhz/gMvm/D7lfF2hxgeqAAVuINPkApECVqqnvvnc3I3EBlI6d77wcVf8xTlItb1qy5/IylCps=; dwjP4tQbxtIY1heyBM4GSEbY5YGHMlnntSz3wmOuQDumXnkBT5Az270_e1RL fT0sPg73EQ24onvBH6RzJrw8XRtoheGaiEEJu2OMtgbyEDxY7C7cNdWfoGVS oP9kRUnFqaHhz3CofCWkom1kyMR58OaBRwL3uZqZdt7OYOf0cVhKsfa69Q6g MRCIX3VTaKgYic9Q3nV99e_MgiJxsmAUKPE8jKp5atT.uOfVDXHP8XIBwmS8 eDZNS7bPgI_VaRk.c.njiqqqZeQYgNzf2PWEMv3sQ2udGJesY.2Gyw6AGrlH uiIznLAHmz1VuNCFTE.GPaJOoWcwxgnIjEUW30ISVaxw5szdzc2k4sDYzXf6 wcBvkifB8UeXTadyFsEYzweYu90X79R8wyPcTY8EuJ5OJBCTt_p0c_7Bjxwv 8JY0bw7rhBH6Udnmt2JIp_GAxWPPi_eOoBv24pVB2jiooCBGBok1Ps3FOMnA NXhUII6elkKl4hjzHoYfgxgtze9yY_itAw3e9CnlU9hiXpnP_p_0zmgq7YuZ cQjC5QO.8jTxGoypFZImLrbKFmxEJ6llE7UTPB_Fl8Veu_iZeq7RUJ2yML0d .MDPwuLZdgQ2ACrxre0fMwtQD6Efbrpy8C1m0BnpJl6HVIaRNFA31Kq4Ezi7 9lMuDjyWDBp5E4.MYXtCBpNke.wYX Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:00:06 PDT V2VsbCwgeWVzLCBidXQgUGV0ZXIgaHVuZyBvbiBmb3IgYSB5ZWFyIGJlZm9yZSBiYWlsaW5nLi4uLi4gVGhlIGZpcmluZ3MgYWxsIGhhcHBlbmVkIGEgeWVhciBhZ28uCgpodHRwOi8vamFsb3BuaWsuY29tLzU5MjE2NzUvcm9hZC0tdHJhY2stZmlyZXMtYWxtb3N0LWV2ZXJ5b25lCgpEYW4gRAonNzZCLCAnNjVCCkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogTWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lzIDxtYXJrQGJyYWRha2lzLmNvbT4KVG86IE1HIExpc3QgPG1nc0ABMAEBAQE- References: <5230B889.2020905@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Mark J Bradakis , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, yes, but Peter hung on for a year before bailing..... The firings all happened a year ago. http://jalopnik.com/5921675/road--track-fires-almost-everyone Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: MG List Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts Further notes on Peter Egan and the "new" R&T: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts I was talking to Peter during the rain delay. He said the new management came to RT in California and said the offices are moving and none of you are coming. They basically fired everybody but Peter. Than one of the junior editors told Peter to rewrite an article. Seriously tell Peter Egan to rewrite an article. That was enough for Peter. He said he would give them the three articles he was working on and call it quits. They even fired the great motorsports photographer Jon Lamm. He did not say unemployed for long. Some say change is good. In this case I do not agree. RIP Road & Track John _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 11 16:13:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CDB403A5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28474009B for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id y16so15014277ieg.40 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=Ug2RuRSSBX+aSxMwAVKBRI5rdt9spunh3qIevZj7Jqo=; b=RiF1OhYzHZNGl8GttnbktmNEUUoKCATFZY1fvhod3Q1eBvckx5XBhMaC+sbgveaRd5 FEucH+h4cbcZOYs9wSkTm5HmhXicl9CavTBDknzb/mQ0Qx6NZt0iNIx/CAZYk9FAOpM4 o3kErv3kQ7roDM3vdYU315B7RyrYM5/36t2+Rbt2DvzaWHIRxBLK9NzUnZieZkeRaEOt h+73gOZlNf93PPNkxlXjPV5CWfYPgK+nG2S2o3B4p/N4kOB8KJ4RBeTvjMEhSPBMc+XW RQaqloYgrTMIG7C5U4a/gXFC6qTFp4MJ9ds57G13GNtHddi9wo5I0Je/NSmMDW6+H73F LPaA== Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (97-127-70-76.mpls.qwest.net. [97.127.70.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p10sm4823466igx.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:10:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <5230B889.2020905@bradakis.com> <1378933206.78049.YahooMailNeo@web164905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Paul Root Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:10:33 -0500 To: Dan DiBiase Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I hadn't heard of any of this. I had lost interest in R&T maybe 10 years ago, when they did a survey of the cars of their staff, and one of the associate editors didn't own a car at all. So I'm supposed to listen to someone who has no idea what owning a car is about? Great fun to grab a different set of keys everyday. I read R&T longer than I should have just for Egan, I have his whole property mapped out in my head, at least what I think it looks like. I can see his garage, I was there (in the article) when the concrete pad was poured. I can see shelves full of sealed boxes with with just dates written on them. Then in the corner, 2 or 3, maybe 4 motorcycles in various states of disrepair. The big Ford van outside. What's inside, the Jag, the MG, the super 7? I guess it's time to pull out the Side Glances book. I read Autoweek now. It's pretty good. It's not like it was when Satch wrote for them, but pretty good. On Sep 11, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > Well, yes, but Peter hung on for a year before bailing..... The firings all > happened a year ago. > http://jalopnik.com/5921675/road--track-fires-almost-everyone > > Dan D > '76B, > '65B > Central NJ USA > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mark J > Bradakis > To: MG List > Sent: > Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:38 PM > Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Fot] Waving to > ghosts > > > Further notes on Peter Egan and the "new" R&T: > > > Re: [Fot] Waving to > ghosts > > I was talking to Peter during the rain delay. He said the new > > management came to RT in California and said the offices are moving > and > none of you are coming. They basically fired everybody but > Peter. Than one > of the junior editors told Peter to rewrite an > article. Seriously tell > Peter Egan to rewrite an article. That was > enough for Peter. He said he > would give them the three articles he > was working on and call it quits. > They even fired the great > motorsports photographer Jon Lamm. He did not > say unemployed for > long. Some say change is good. In this case I do not > agree. RIP Road > & Track > > John > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ptrmgb@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 08:18:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEBA403D4 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CAA4006E for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id EFBD7F441E8; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9n3STEllqAj7; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.175]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 71318F441E6; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:12:23 -0500 To: Paul Root ,Dan DiBiase From: Peter Caldwell References: <5230B889.2020905@bradakis.com> <1378933206.78049.YahooMailNeo@web164905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: [Fot] Waving to ghosts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net At 05:10 PM 9/11/2013, Paul Root wrote: >I read Autoweek now. It's pretty good. It's not like it was when Satch wrote >for them, but pretty good. +++++++++++++++++++++ Peter's race Bugeye is 1/2 a mile from me, rusting away on a trailer with no cover. sad. Satch can be found every month in Hemmings Sports and Exotic. Great mag. Peter C _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 17:40:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBBF40EA9 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.ctinetworks.com (smtp2.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0424042C for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home45dd83c8be (75.97.219.115.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.219.115]) (Authenticated sender: davewillner@pa.net) by smtp2.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6C0531D20B8 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "davewillner" To: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:15:33 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I was out for maybe an hour this afternoon and just a few miles from home the clutch pedal suddenly became a little heavier to depress than normal, its typically been a pretty light pedal for the past 10 years or so. Its had a new clutch and uses silicone fluid, any ideas what to look for or try, the fluid is full although not real new? Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 17:42:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B019942A18 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:42:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0070C4043F for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=spetrosky@cinci.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) a=zBfwpXHdjvv9uPenvmaS4w==:17 a=YwvGIHXhML0A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=-5j2a60_QigA:10 a=KjmMfxqDabx_avtTTnwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hhY9R_leNkkA:10 a=cPWlci6CMhkA:10 a=MF_gF3gwU1YA:10 a=0lsIr7gewtIA:10 a=X39YGLN6ZHcA:10 a=zBfwpXHdjvv9uPenvmaS4w==:117 Received: from [70.208.194.222] ([70.208.194.222:15301] helo=[10.185.22.86]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 33/D4-00725-94726325; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 21:31:53 +0000 From: Steve Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:31:54 -0400 To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Slave cylinder hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net What size is the nut that holds the slave cylinder hose to the chassis tab? Steve Petrosky spetrosky@cinci.rr.com 513.490.5621 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 20:10:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AEE40404 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 20:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A569240454 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 18:04:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-139-124-144.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.139.124.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8G04BIh013513; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 19:04:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 19:04:31 -0500 To: "davewillner" , From: Barney Gaylord References: <3C6BBA0C5D394EAABE3E06E48ADAD226@home45dd83c8be> Subject: Re: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Clogged hydrulic hose at the slave cylinder, maybe. At 05:15 PM 9/15/2013 -0400, davewillner wrote: >I was out for maybe an hour this afternoon and just a few miles from >home the clutch pedal suddenly became a little heavier to depress >than normal, its typically been a pretty light pedal for the past 10 >years or so. Its had a new clutch and uses silicone fluid, any ideas >what to look for or try, the fluid is full although not real new? .... >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 22:34:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CA740436 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEF14041D for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 21:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-99-139-124-144.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [99.139.124.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8G3A2jV004623; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:10:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:10:09 -0500 To: Steve , MG List From: Barney Gaylord References: <1514730B-88FC-4CC0-B645-BE42BBAFAEED@cinci.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slave cylinder hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Use your left-handed adjustble spanner on it. Beware that replacement parts may have metric threads and different wrench size for the retaining nut (depending on the source). At 05:31 PM 9/15/2013 -0400, Steve wrote: >What size is the nut that holds the slave cylinder hose to the chassis tab? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 03:44:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3080040510 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 03:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC42A40400 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-3-imp with bizsmtp id Rk921m00E4LtS4201k92rM; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:09:02 +0100 a=ROrp7mTyF0UA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=ssObWgW7nvEA:10 a=TeuhUHYcyGEo52728EEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=uCglg77ZivUA:10 a=QbX6RpoQKm8A:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "davewillner" , References: <3C6BBA0C5D394EAABE3E06E48ADAD226@home45dd83c8be> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:06:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Could be the flex hose delaminating and acting as a check valve. When was the clutch changed? Did you change the flex hose at the same time? A shame if not, as they are a jolly sight easier with the engine out! PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >I was out for maybe an hour this afternoon and just a few miles from home >the > clutch pedal suddenly became a little heavier to depress than normal _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 03:47:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F4440691 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 03:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EAA40408 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-3-imp with bizsmtp id Rk921m00E4LtS4201k92rQ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:09:02 +0100 a=APyvnUWn5akA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=foksHYEEjwcA:10 a=DwUY543vd5t848H1Qm0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=39cLuuHKmOsA:10 a=BY2cFrHFkQcA:10 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Steve" , "MG List" References: <1514730B-88FC-4CC0-B645-BE42BBAFAEED@cinci.rr.com> <201309160310.r8G3A2jV004623@nlpi162.prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:07:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slave cylinder hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I can concur with that, they are 'funny' sizes, and replacing one a few weeks ago the new was different to the old. It's fun bleeding them as well. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Use your left-handed adjustble spanner on it. Beware that replacement > parts may have metric threads and different wrench size for the retaining > nut (depending on the source). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 07:13:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8695140528 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A361E403FC for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:01:48 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1379332899; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=FmNvYu6BmtWxfIse61i+TVZQQB4gJgIQINRSfAyHdiVwvE26YpEMiB8qun5ePrJ2B D4VOU7IetYwQy4W1X0+mwFABzzyLAEFbUDSSa70JyM+u+pjiPwvi+RXjNTOmdqUZM5 orgg1fgRK6hWdDJkiAJZa8W+EY4tTP7+g3LGy56s= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKDP6ZNAX5JS4S for (sender ); Mon, 16 Sep 2013 05:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:59:57 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:59:57 GMT To: davewillner@pa.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, If you suspect the hose, a likely culprit, you may find that unbolting the slave cylinder makes R&R of the hose easier. And that gives opportunity to rebuild the slave if not done when engine was out. I am about to undertake this myself, as my MGB slave is leaking. I will rebuild master, slave and replace the hose in one go. Will get to that as soon as I deal with fisheyes in new paint in rear fender of my TD, a problem I attribute to a leaking brake cylinder years ago. When disassembled, it had water and rust inside. I did not know at that time that although silicone fluid does not absorb water, water does still accumulate in the system, so one still must bleed out a teaspoon of fluid at each cylinder every year or so. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "davewillner" To: Subject: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:15:33 -0400 I was out for maybe an hour this afternoon and just a few miles from home the clutch pedal suddenly became a little heavier to depress than normal, its typically been a pretty light pedal for the past 10 years or so. Its had a new clutch and uses silicone fluid, any ideas what to look for or try, the fluid is full although not real new? Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 11:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0735540441 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta51.windstream.net (pacmmta51.windstream.net [162.39.147.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6FD403DB for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:28:55 -0600 (MDT) cv=pIZ85ehrZgv/tT24QorlXoDi5y/kGdSKcofkoCxXl9w= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=ROrp7mTyF0UA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=1yAJP76sAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=9J_USya1xzrzuIHPOlUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=SDYMIisBsK4A:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=eEBu4OAvoS3NCJM+7hyRSQ==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [207.155.7.194] ([207.155.7.194:53594] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 02/43-27903-6A327325; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:28:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:28:35 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "mgbob@juno.com" References: <20130916.075957.29025.2@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net mgbob, I wouldn't rebuild the clutch master just because the slave is leaking. I'd do the slave and replace the flex hose; see how that works out. Dave, I had the same symptoms as you described. The problem was a internally disintegrating flex hose. Getting the hose off the steel line is pretty easy if you take out the starter for access. CR On 9/16/2013 6:59 AM, mgbob@juno.com wrote: > Dave, > If you suspect the hose, a likely culprit, you may find that unbolting the > slave cylinder makes R&R of the hose easier. And that gives opportunity to > rebuild the slave if not done when engine was out. > I am about to undertake this myself, as my MGB slave is leaking. I will > rebuild master, slave and replace the hose in one go. > Will get to that as soon as I deal with fisheyes in new paint in rear > fender of my TD, a problem I attribute to a leaking brake cylinder years ago. > When disassembled, it had water and rust inside. I did not know at that time > that although silicone fluid does not absorb water, water does still > accumulate in the system, so one still must bleed out a teaspoon of fluid at > each cylinder every year or so. > Bob > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "davewillner" > To: > Subject: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden > Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:15:33 -0400 > > I was out for maybe an hour this afternoon and just a few miles from home the > clutch pedal suddenly became a little heavier to depress than normal, its > typically been a pretty light pedal for the past 10 years or so. Its had a > new > clutch and uses silicone fluid, any ideas what to look for or try, the fluid > is full although not real new? Thanks > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 14:39:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C71840406 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32B1403E2 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews23.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.189]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:55:35 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews23.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:55:35 +0200 Received: from PolderPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:55:35 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: , References: <20130916.075957.29025.2@webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com> <523723A3.6010804@ktc.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:55:35 +0200 Thread-Index: AQKwY8BlpYloKhdd81dkX2vfeuEXOAH1mem9l/WmiPA= Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[5369F4D0:01CEB30E] Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My clutch operated lighter when it failed. 2 years ago. The MC was leaking internally. I did not replace the hydraulic fluid (DOT5) timely, so there was a lot of dir tand moist inside the system. Remembers me when I restored this all some 15 years ago, the clutch would not work at all. I replaced the MC and placed a new cup into the slave cyl. The original flex hose (possible from 1971) was totally clogged, so there was no way any fluid could pass it. I'm glad I have replaced it when the starter was out, as the hose is located at an impossible spot, hard to get by. Cheers, Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Charley & Peggy Robinson Verzonden: maandag 16 september 2013 17:29 Aan: mgbob@juno.com CC: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden mgbob, I wouldn't rebuild the clutch master just because the slave is leaking. I'd do the slave and replace the flex hose; see how that works out. Dave, I had the same symptoms as you described. The problem was a internally disintegrating flex hose. Getting the hose off the steel line is pretty easy if you take out the starter for access. CR On 9/16/2013 6:59 AM, mgbob@juno.com wrote: > Dave, > If you suspect the hose, a likely culprit, you may find that > unbolting the slave cylinder makes R&R of the hose easier. And that > gives opportunity to rebuild the slave if not done when engine was out. > I am about to undertake this myself, as my MGB slave is leaking. I > will rebuild master, slave and replace the hose in one go. > Will get to that as soon as I deal with fisheyes in new paint in > rear fender of my TD, a problem I attribute to a leaking brake cylinder years ago. > When disassembled, it had water and rust inside. I did not know at > that time that although silicone fluid does not absorb water, water > does still accumulate in the system, so one still must bleed out a > teaspoon of fluid at each cylinder every year or so. > Bob > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "davewillner" > To: > Subject: [Mgs] heavy clutch pedal all of a sudden > Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:15:33 -0400 > > I was out for maybe an hour this afternoon and just a few miles from > home the clutch pedal suddenly became a little heavier to depress than > normal, its typically been a pretty light pedal for the past 10 years > or so. Its had a new clutch and uses silicone fluid, any ideas what to > look for or try, the fluid is full although not real new? Thanks > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 14:40:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4014055D for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436CF403D4 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.133]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9EECC70106EC8 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-50-163-114-241.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [50.163.114.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 6AF81E0000B2 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Elwood Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:08:38 -0400 To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1379358524; bh=jQKvcqt4GJumCwN8485tVF+T39FPr32AYFrUqscNWko=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=WG6JV+HX27y5UpAJSa8SpDn6Qg0WXDrt6xPU6wrEQp4Xrsz0zE7jYqW9FA+joM3y8 o/TaztcUpIYNEqSKdO0oAYpZJ5S3t/jpdj7upZURuiOCs1O+Tp8RxplwhEBDHKwM1h X2t6LcviwRbnfkLQbgQOcL/NKA2b46Y8HKr0QsZs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33855237573c112e Subject: [Mgs] Skinny wiper blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 19 07:32:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7772842751 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:32:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4A140E96 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2013 13:32:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.196] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2013 13:32:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2013 13:32:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 6021 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2013 13:32:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379597521; bh=GiPLQURtxd5uOo847SKs9Z/Fk5qRw1BV/42+LkFlJ9g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wAUD/CjLyyc9Yaw6Rc1yUpzEUrCRWxjTLosVxGa6saNQWKt7ZxFNE8iSQp/r/QRA6v1swWtyZeNOyjjX6ekoTKXXHj0HawEWlofbudnZRrjeQ7BKBQkmJ/ZFDEan+tb6GqxW8IIpFqQ4YHmumO9LLeFsKkFscRxv5uiap9nf19w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FKeiY8Cmjg0gBF+VK/j/uTYidv06iMTCmi3LsJeW1z60URnmHbhusIYc9b9M/EfixC+dcNv5VKAYxPQgxMaE6tZlm0QcA6NDDpuhLLWa7sfIOpiClPP9Nwl7PEaDTYXnSWWr2I14Ga7o2nubDSvQKhQHp0G6FF660kRSuxHdEJs=; dAIv5bUKaUqu6jQQ1p.QPTqa24SBQNeqlmgSUHgrBwJSQmQwt_4tLVAxKYbU 11Vus5qEJTczpazhKJqFnbzogE8ZscnGS4xBLDjcD3jmViQ5vK3p4JKF2cC6 j0Y_F5fm0zVOmRuo.0Ts2MfqffHKEfvvdtj6XesAc624IrVdqSt1ZMSbSsHD onH0MqsraB6XJfT_0yubanu_CLvmkWv1QbyqkoUwn5j.xTMJfM_5GUDVTfd. Mlal53jAdUT622LhGqp2BsDTQKRRQCapIIHvUoE9XtC2teqefk..r.3PQkBJ fOtejus_jQksB_vnOGiIyqCYGQtL4T8zwJILQAOZc15YMNUD9Vn42HuEVDLO FMHUZudXHcaHkAKGlzd2UP0t1KSuQ4LE72V5BVU6I1RYHgcLKHJjHurZagoi Q1tLWNnylRQZqzMZpp5HJ8k9i.OvH6.Fh8YWUO0WEpefppJyo02zTkBIy99T tkT49fDlWIoRPraN.GFmVnCYp.CXzD3f78Jpky6cM2VHzPTJc808NsazYU57 OV1cWL0UYEc7QjBqAFKtJosA51EUD4vHvD9hnKsxj2hKeJSORD1Tx6iSD9MF aj1kApXnBkhvR5fimRvbABCOYYzjBg.aIsTgUtbXELsDsm8luEaCAPQg6Ri8 - Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:32:01 PDT UmljaywgZGlkIHlvdSBldmVyIGFjdHVhbGx5IHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgZW5naW5lPyBEaWQgdGhlIGNhciBydW4gd2hlbiB5b3UgYm91Z2h0IGl0PwoKRGFuIEQKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiAibWctdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCIgPG1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.OyAibWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IExpc3QiIDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.OyABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 06:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Reassembly re-started Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, did you ever actually remove the engine? Did the car run when you bought it? Dan D Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" ; "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; Rui Gigante Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:48 PM Subject: [Mgs] Reassembly re-started Going back together...a little bit at a time. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130918_153623.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130918_153653.jpg This weekend, I'll install the head. I'll rebuild the suspension a little later. I'm tired of getting filthy dirty. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 20 01:11:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559DE42908 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 01:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp112.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp112.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84B242827 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:07:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp51.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 22A1220610 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp51.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id B349320423 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:06:48 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don Subject: [Mgs] All too true Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net >Looking at this pie chart first made me laugh, then made me sad. >Rick Feibusch sent it to me. He appraises classic cars down in >southern California now; put on the British car shows in Palo Alto >for many years. >The humor in the pie chart reminds me of >this http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html. >People Who Own Or Are Interested In Old British Cars ................. >Inline image 1 --------------------------------------------- Don Scott, Calistoga CA USA / 1955 MGTF, 1962 MGA Mk 2, 1967 MGB, 1963-7 MGB (seeking), Misc. Japanese cars [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of 20de66e.jpg] _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 21 00:21:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7942A06 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 00:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp192.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp192.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.192]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A87428E0 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 38701982BD for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 01:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: don-AT-napanet.net) with ESMTPSA id BB45B982AC for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 01:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:05:30 -0700 To: "mgs-autox.team.net" From: Don Subject: [Mgs] All too true Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Title of the pie chart is: People Who Own Or Are Interested In Old British Cars ................. Here is the chart that did not come through which I sent to the email list. Click on this to see it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/104973305347633073496/albums/5925767169584269457/5925774504635774594?pid=5925774504635774594&oid=104973305347633073496 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 23 15:42:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854DB43201 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (mail-ve0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2031E4308E; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:17:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id c14so2770639vea.38 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:17:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ybFFLDswyhJpiZVQ/4fVG52IookUUbsIPBxR2k3Nt88=; b=I7EKWMGxBwe5iXV0mPhlOVLywoj+CWZiMQfp+MY0YU/sKFGGhgLoNds8Ildc7PCd26 9Fy+2cD/wKGrU5qdk0mTd9o7/2H1VEHhKd/2EmUkorBwh0pjJT1T2lJ4yev3X7BzvlrV t0vpPrUHMGQ1BIkl2xKxHYRGh2hW2kGBbIdjJHrGzvX0TB5wgkfUW80IPNBQhQBqDxVS 7c+LdFMu23KANm1kRL83YfbbGHfV5cLLx7ss1dtVeQ5S9R37JucIRtr0nA+ReMPr48rk G/0eBJUy1qm59KNAxP7/5JRCNbtU3gfE3xbiplYYA6Fv+y4oDTTun1yQ72X8jMti3qB8 mhbw== rd6mr732747vcb.42.1379971033724; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:17:13 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] A little TD work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Long time, no type! Our visitors have gone home and I'm back playing in the garage. This morning I removed the steering rack and the cross brace from the frame 'horns'. I then finished degreasing the frame and cross-member. The years of grease were quite thick. I've cleaned and painted everything but the suspension and integral dampers. Those have to wait a while. Here's how the crossmember and frame looked right after painting. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_114542.jpg While I was doing that work, the rack just waited on the garage floor. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_114546.jpg Here's another look at the front end with the nasty, dirty suspension bits covered with garbage bags. I can now work around the front end without bumping into greasy bits. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_131555.jpg Here's how it looks with the rack restored and reinstalled. The flash makes the paint look pretty bad. In person, it looks really nice and fresh. The oil fitting has been carefully cleaned and reinstalled, this time with a copper sealing washer. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_140430e.jpg Here's another look at the steering gearbox. Again, the flash makes things look a little rough and the bare metal bits are overexposed. Its hard to photograph black parts when using a point-n-shoot style camera. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_140832e.jpg And finally, here's a look at the right end of the rack, complete with new bellows and new strap clamps. New tie-rod ends will be installed later. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_150224e.jpg In some of these pictures you can see the old lower A-arm bushings. I'll get to those before too long. Right now, I want to reassemble the engine but first, I need to clean the garage. Happy Monday, my friends, -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 23 17:13:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD64542FDC for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E6A42F43; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hz10so2682630vcb.40 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:47:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PAuIToRec5q+DgCXP97Fn2CKsoOJbC9VN0ggSF7j8/0=; b=VO+xKXumrsrkQLhyonfb6qg0SNq+ns4aVafdljEMZ6b5QkemJ9zWG/059sKWf2Kext kIPHlxGWkOo31XssV/jJYO7QY/FGsKUwkf1zxbeVvDbVs2Uw8iNQJVTtZJXkZZJG2rf2 sIyZPDYseJxdCyBhQOryQrWeRwYcL+fkd/Zekh7xUVZqaCudYl5zeBuCwCKEAMLbNTMK PglsBebcHBwSHHhhAc1cyp6ZFIjK/aQhNtI0CGHRT19tLXOinFmg2d2hj1K4oxfYESRA ZbYblT3+k+W/Uu3Ze9LgZLzSjdy1U3z1rp+6OE1S6dj2RBqaUkRu3//OuXhzOMbYC1uF +gwg== Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:47:59 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Finishing Monday's work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello again Friends, This afternoon I rotated the engine to TDC on #1 and verified the camshaft was in the correct position. I then added a tiny dab of yellow paint to the pulley and pointer, while verifying that the pointer truly indicated precise TDC. With the cam set correctly, I flushed the lifter bores with WD40, just to clean away any remaining debris. I then wiped the lifter bores clean. After the bores were cleaned, I installed the lifters, coated with assembly lube both on their sides and the faces toward the cams. I then vacuumed out the cylinders (again), cleaned the deck (again), and installed the head gasket. Here's how it looked. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_170948.jpg I then cleaned the head's mating surface and set it in place. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_171255.jpg Tomorrow I'll torque the head to spec and install the rockers, again with assembly lube. To stay clean until then, I just set the valve cover in place. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130923_171536.jpg First thing tomorrow I will cement gaskets on the valve cover and lifter box cover. And while the gasket sealer sets, I'll install the rockers and set the cold clearance to 0.015". I can then button this puppy up! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 24 17:45:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE5440400 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951B64038B; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id jw12so4039807veb.37 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:07:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bQVL6xmek4RqoeVWuba6ZMuAwraWtAHrx648W/dcLzY=; b=HAU1kYKNDQnRnSK5hedmgf5nynP4U2zVhNwASOIU4GCkBebldRHzPBr+PqlKv/+qwp GYbAhmCd/ZPkM7BDQaQm5CiONPC4u9eDug9h8/u+fK7iVjc3ACxTfmKTjB4KOGDK4Fk/ yiUvvNgryVojyAqnih2sPe0tp+nF7ZZq2WDzdSQO8vcmIwpBpFFQzRIIP1lUOUU2HAss OVXh1KmIpq/SxMIUn5nQvxTlBlxJjtcxFBqEUSK9M5V5cFC3+iptrE+lzhn8gWEYfCGr CVL+sB9v4dRL5ibNO+LVsLcnC1XX3kqSleeTBBF2BJH21/crrXYyT7yEG8rWkCHGOuQx TXLQ== y5mr29773572vem.15.1380064022462; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:07:02 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Head on the TD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Friends, Got a little TD work done today. Torqued the head in place and set the pushrods on the lifters, complete with graphite infused assembly lube. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_165445.jpg I next set the rockers in place and snugged the bolts evenly until snug (but not torqued tight). http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_170455.jpg I then hung the lifter chest gasket on the studs. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_170532.jpg The cover went on next and was tightened enough to seal. The top-end oil line went on next, snugged up but not yet tightened. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_174535.jpg In the morning I will torque the rocker post bolts and bend the new locking tabs up. I'll then torque the oil line banjo bolts, clamping the banjos on the new copper washers. And once all that's done, I'll sequence through the valves setting the clearance to 0.015" (cold) then thread the plugs in loosely. Valve cover on next then I'll move to the manifolds. More tomorrow... -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 24 23:39:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF7F403EF for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:39:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2094006F for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.228.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130925053849842 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:38:49 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 602791008; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:38:45 -0500 From: To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:38:44 -0500 Subject: [Mgs] MGB crankshaft interchange Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I need to replace the crankshaft in the 18GB engine. Is there any reason the 18V crankshaft would not fit ? Can anybody help with info or direction ? Mr. Gaylord ? Thank You, Ron Sanborn _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 00:29:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1212840440 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:29:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nlpi162.prodigy.net (nlpi162.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F39F400FF for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barney-gaylord.mgaguru.com (adsl-75-57-180-97.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.57.180.97]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi162.prodigy.net (8.14.4 smptauth/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8P6SXBi010683; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:28:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:30:31 -0500 To: , From: Barney Gaylord References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB crankshaft interchange Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I'm not the MGB guru, and I don't have the SPL.s for for all the MGB's. However, I believe the crankshaft is same part number for all MGB 5-main bearing engines. That means crankshafts from 18GB through end of production should all be interchangeable. $0.015 Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 12:38 AM 9/25/2013 -0500, Ron Sanborn wrote: > I need to replace the crankshaft in the 18GB engine. >Is there any reason the 18V crankshaft would not fit ? > >Can anybody help with info or direction ? > >Mr. Gaylord ? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 06:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBC940434 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A00403F9 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:05:11 -0600 (MDT) cv=mOutQjS8cA+RiwbnZ0xzQ5Rk4tKrU8/wqwWkxk6fMEA= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=Mg5PZnBbXn4A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=WMimlZgUAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=pRuzix3_7rmwrW3_1pEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=p0idVmGAdl8A:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=A1NTD6lxJAvjloNpZuLm2Q==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.24.61] ([72.172.24.61:49638] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 67/87-14823-941D2425; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:04:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:04:19 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: riverside@southslope.net References: Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB crankshaft interchange Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It will fit. I've done it. CR On 9/25/2013 12:38 AM, riverside@southslope.net wrote: > I need to replace the crankshaft in the 18GB engine. > Is there any reason the 18V crankshaft would not fit ? > > Can anybody help with info or direction ? > > Mr. Gaylord ? > > Thank You, > > Ron Sanborn > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 07:51:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C9F40415 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326294009A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.147] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2013 13:50:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.222] by tm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2013 13:50:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2013 13:50:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5506 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2013 13:50:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1380117009; bh=nmAyhqWemF6+H8qbOmp3qpTuB5qvF5sayeFN3+ELI5M=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZO5KE89OtVYcIPxpzSdtKQBOiSkgBB/ytUYh2kJ4BokjTbJm2bg4bN+2/N//esVyJpzTa4saEVyERL19zd34j98n4EmZxPS9/XxFwGDE8yoMdpJqKXLYfIM+tKPDiMB5Yw5Gh41pJNXNSAijw0fHTbUYMrlnWQgCK9u7rNpSKsA= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p3YQFUhYEB4trEZan98xQ68M329x7nusjbdzaZHMHxPuZW2sYySSAhlw1IQNR57nvUui4ZuiaPTGw1L8zjuL9e3voXH1G8rqRJiY/VkXs+trz3EEvhL5ZHylLBCiQlBVeW1jyAhCpwQg+O2IVoRk3cWsjY+lGOYoAUuJ7KbxMng=; O2r5mbQK_vOlWekCZB6Bpu2o_hhmJ8Y8UmcKZIKBbamebMooAh77b4ugZb.w ir4xZ3Zo5QYmA1cxDl59CNtcbIVp7ib8HSyEf8tbx8CWLp0pWizZy3ZTT0Ug WzMsmv.KfPuso_870EhCFy4rhJ2CDmYnx_XpnYrhdEq0wGc3Itn0a8gwH6x8 ED0jWEa33tjmz1897MpMyXOtP3tFzFC5tYG03F_np3BWzvlMBON0XPVLZrQF Fit6maPBC1cVhnxy3_n1jHfpsGmzgmzEdKlOAFfjMOjb.n5iX5r2satdR5vB qx9rXqxO8Sqp3dGf.VqEpepqvlk9QnIxCCJyenbP5MMvN85EiE9KDHDA5dxW Mxj.VuU3oAqodmksbUsETx7htSxdNEwuiGoucrtn.QFXDIlaqMOy7FAdgRe5 ioLUB5e1q98ZAgl_tUEyqSwuzvD7voIJOI.qYnADRBhlcbvpF3c2Ls_51nBs E..FPNoQ1p3daC.9ckgQJ2QupZqz_FTfT9G0_tKcTVBELut9.VmutlwCSx3T uAApsgobTn0IDMybFGllY4KXILZ_Jp6f0.r59JymAe.TARkMh92KL2bsHkPa AtNncgy6mKE5kb2XTf4aK4b1NiSNENotAMkrqr8Jk9rpl_ScMo6iepTlspRI - Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:50:09 PDT UmljaywgZXZlcnl0aGluZyBsb29rcyByZWFsbHkgZ29vZCwgYW5kIEkgbGlrZSBob3cgZXZlcnl0aGluZyBpcyBmcmVzaGVuZWQgdXAgYnV0IHN0aWxsIGhhcyBhIGJpdCBvZiBwYXRpbmEuLi4uCgpEYW4gRAonNzZCLCAnNjVCCkNlbnRyYWwgTkogVVNBCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClRvOiAibWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0IExpc3QiIDxtZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.OyAibWctdEABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: Re: [Mgs] Head on the TD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, everything looks really good, and I like how everything is freshened up but still has a bit of patina.... Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; "mg-t@autox.team.net" ; Rui Gigante Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:07 PM Subject: [Mgs] Head on the TD Hey Friends, Got a little TD work done today. Torqued the head in place and set the pushrods on the lifters, complete with graphite infused assembly lube. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_165445.jpg I next set the rockers in place and snugged the bolts evenly until snug (but not torqued tight). http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_170455.jpg I then hung the lifter chest gasket on the studs. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_170532.jpg The cover went on next and was tightened enough to seal. The top-end oil line went on next, snugged up but not yet tightened. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130924_174535.jpg In the morning I will torque the rocker post bolts and bend the new locking tabs up. I'll then torque the oil line banjo bolts, clamping the banjos on the new copper washers. And once all that's done, I'll sequence through the valves setting the clearance to 0.015" (cold) then thread the plugs in loosely. Valve cover on next then I'll move to the manifolds. More tomorrow... -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 10:22:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2D34041A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2491340403; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id jx11so4887762veb.35 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ve4wCaesgickjVfsPQckN6AmoNSMBWYk10pZmghJinc=; b=bZfWEcMWWP9BgHzU79J7azQzzol3bp/KXLNle5tIDpT+C9wXfmfMl1WeWdOT5vT/2b 4rAnoymhYHGvaQGlnmUJvQfFr0aGC+Ay5a4KwVtDIGcpTNHJVTEh+h8x2eaJbV3/swjf rbcrProQ4TGIqqY2NliIohun2gH7PLLsG16fRXSarejLDchqMzZSCVo6zsrMfapPFV6E H4btEkvlrfCn0J/PlSdNq6OWcQqt0GJoSbXbumkQTxW1LaxY2v6ly4bPv/7off3S9ZSB sfieRmtucgqU1vK+iXusPJdcGu6UBXd1u928azKNGqn7kmhgRT81APiUCUTQzGk1CoHX q2wA== rp9mr1382909vcb.29.1380126070307; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:21:10 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Continuing TD work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good morning Friends, As planned, I torqued the head nuts this morning, as per the manual instructions. The recommended torque is 500 lb-in, which translates to 42 lb-ft - and that's what I used. I then torqued the rocker posts in place; 30 lb-ft for the 3/8" bolts, 17 lb-ft for the 5/16" bolts. I then bent the locking tabs up. I next moved to the manifold side of the engine. Here are a sequence of pictures documenting the installation. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_094233.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_094311.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_095249.jpg The exhaust manifold is painted with 1500 degree silver header paint. The intake manifold is painted red. With the manifolds in place and the nuts snugged evenly to 17 lb-ft torque, I moved to the rear of the head and installed the water jacket plate. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_103744.jpg Next step is the new water pump. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_101545.jpg -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 14:00:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C50940444 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:00:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302D04041A; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hf12so142027vcb.13 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:58:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=55ATTVEWmLW2M1sTUoMmd/6uUaTvuHqbWW4Z9S6QxKQ=; b=lVP+KjSKnllVUUW6O4T2/tC+At0uAR1aX3orxFXAEBOtw+IRBwq4cboN2p8NUTTucW tBduq7bXsQcEkOQQjzJ28n2W7OPL1b7qA9A09frobM7yFYV+epNkeulpLQD00hWD9nOv HdOfpvvXcCrZuAumT3pWQBMGTWp8PFirjAgccOoKbXAN7k7n1kQC4rIGy+F8GRapeuFo Uow0b4QM0mvJjwQ6voRhbhbDl0ZHbmSxGGeJi4l2LnAdvBMQFqK6VWPAT4H/K7lHLX8U HoXNjUsrT4xmkd2XAUBlvfXaB3xmVJI4fFJSURuHhD6BTFYNaPj4ZA0UIbxnejEFoBfH JX0Q== fv5mr3701322vdb.31.1380139125973; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:58:45 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] A bit more progress Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Friends, Made a bit more progress this afternoon. It certainly is nice to have restored and refinished parts upon removal. Assembly becomes a clean, fun process. I first installed the new thermostat, previously painted red. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_131927.jpg Here it is before installing the new water pump. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_131942.jpg I next installed the water pump, spacer and fan, then readjusted the generator for proper alignment with the fan belt in place. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_142027e.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_142036.jpg Later today I will adjust the stabilizer link properly and wire the castle nuts securely. I also need to replace the safety wires on the cam lock bolts. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 17:14:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC3D40449 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A3140422; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id h10so295960vbh.6 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dAVpSN91OKVaXhD3qIYLHnhUD/WjQdaQB5cfZB3CqaM=; b=DND0NFOdZ54nLqeAowopX+EWrKIQd8C388sw9Yxu+zumK0Mmh0vG2UKLKhS021tVJs H8vg3O5cvpLvMAndrBNSJpS0lBctPFI26KKec7L57WESB+kSUKN4ZzUie3Btp/rnaFhh gqQVWJORLy+/BSlTVUG9C2guY6RjturMbbZ9cKv/2hwuU6tfl/a9U4R12FVWuY2OwGm1 +H5VveFPFmVNjugry7G5HHRVsFqPFDg8ztSoFRx8ksXh+xDcF9K+DrUlrADdyPU6QvkL sLLPh/ktdyuSa2hf3460tGVSexLSy3muSUTc3wDdZMrQk35xTRLraX+B6udkUvekPgDJ B7Ww== i8mr35907027vcf.10.1380150678744; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:11:18 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Last pictures for Wednesday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I did one last job this evening, after cleaning up the garage. I installed the valve cover gasket, cemented to the head with gasket sealer. I then placed the valve cover on the gasket and snugged the cover thumb nuts down to hold the gasket in place while the sealer cured. Here's how it looks now. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_173013.jpg Here's the view from the other side. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_173034.jpg And just for giggles, here's some eye candy. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130925_173024.jpg -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 18:29:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BA24051F for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF21A40441 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vc8q1m0040cZkys59cU4Ly; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:28:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([69.137.94.144]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VcU31m00V36tVd93WcU3fR; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:28:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:27:50 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1380155284; bh=Jd33QZFOdm+uxbIl7LD57UlKGi8HdWglkwIpZ6Qila8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=WZ3Et79Nee0c0jACVF+CvqmawfbJyMum026yj0EV7acLOHo+YG9ElVJ9lB5kVLh0H i7Qs8/XHbIO1T8S6Rgga6kyJG/+KjZfj7HW1AYv1I3UrKSsnmBYv2TwTdT8L3CvkGn Pd/WPik9ayOoSU5OrMTG5q7SVTZ+CpcjRJJgEuHerBsrQwIV063EfpMB4IIo8nTaF+ hPy6jPZRsEcIraEpw/Cg2R9M0raP/LoClLP5vtAvo1EVLcrPS6RohU3J+mE68q3JRQ LiZYDwiUcgG3mvfQVycgu7tZQsvHeKJPDeHVmGx5l+P/UFAQqCGMht7DdowWqde5hD bkMubOiIWOsbQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The crank will fit. There was some reason I think the older slabside crank is a better design, but I can't think what it is right now. The only thing that changed, that I'm aware of, was the shape of the counterweightsand I can't see how it would have been cheaperto retool for the angled onesso they must have had another reason. Less metal? New union steward? Glenn On 9/25/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:38:44 -0500 > From: > To: > Subject: [Mgs] MGB crankshaft interchange > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I need to replace the crankshaft in the 18GB engine. > Is there any reason the 18V crankshaft would not fit ? > > Can anybody help with info or direction ? > > Mr. Gaylord ? > > Thank You, > > Ron Sanborn _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 21:51:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53A54044F for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta53.windstream.net (pacmmta53.windstream.net [162.39.147.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB0F40422 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:51:04 -0600 (MDT) cv=mOutQjS8cA+RiwbnZ0xzQ5Rk4tKrU8/wqwWkxk6fMEA= c=1 sm=0 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=CnZAmrU1PS8A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=b_JLS_NM-86MLxV5rHgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A1NTD6lxJAvjloNpZuLm2Q==:117 Authentication-Results: pacmmta53 smtp.user=ccrobins@ktc.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [72.172.24.61] ([72.172.24.61:51084] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pacmmta53 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTPA id 84/74-14823-6FEA3425; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:50:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:49:56 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Glenn Schnittke References: <52437F86.7020600@comcast.net> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Glenn, You lost me with the "slabside" reference. Want to tell me what that means? I have a GB block and a 5-main crank that's std. I had both a GB and a GV block and their lower ends. AIR, I used the GV block and the GB crank with the offset GB rods in the engine I built for my present '69 B. I don't know now how to tell the later crank from the older one. It's PITA to geT old! CR On 9/25/2013 7:27 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > The crank will fit. There was some reason I think the older slabside > crank is a better design, but I can't think what it is right now. The > only thing that changed, that I'm aware of, was the shape of the > counterweightsand I can't see how it would have been cheaperto retool > for the angled onesso they must have had another reason. Less metal? New > union steward? > > Glenn _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 25 23:26:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFFB40521 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C76D4009A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:26:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130926052539488; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:25:39 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.13) with ESMTPA id 593141820; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:25:33 -0500 From: To: , "Glenn Schnittke" References: <52437F86.7020600@comcast.net> <5243AEE4.8060900@ktc.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:25:30 -0500 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Crankshaft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > I don't know now how to tell the later crank from the older one. It's > PITA to geT old! >CR On 9/25/2013 7:27 PM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > The crank will fit. There was some reason I think the older slabside > crank is a better design, but I can't think what it is right now. The > only thing that changed, that I'm aware of, was the shape of the > counterweightsand I can't see how it would have been cheaperto retool > for the angled onesso they must have had another reason. Less metal? New > union steward? The MGB GB/ GD/ GG/ ect. series crankshafts were cast iron with two oil feed holes . The 18V cranks were forged steel with only one oil feed hole. The cast crank is considered superior because of this , but the later crank can have the extra oil passages drilled. Thanks to All for refreshing my failing memory and confirming my suspicions. I dug into my organized storage (piles of parts) and found several candidates for replacement. Please keep the thread going as I found little about cranks in the archives. Ron Sanborn _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 11:41:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DD440525 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769484006C for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:39:52 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=bHblThuEcqqSGnZOOKGDUg==:117 a=bHblThuEcqqSGnZOOKGDUg==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=YTHtZiAxaJsA:10 a=I_5RNyk1AAAA:8 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=vDI6KGEVO9sA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=dkxjiO-tUSQHkCyzzEMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ISpcdOwQEjkA:10 a=i1CcRh5xJMUA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=HB7po-mkPj1IT5FlE2wA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=adrianjones747@centurylink.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [67.238.176.132] ([67.238.176.132:40059] helo=AdrianJonesPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 78/98-12474-53174425; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:39:01 -0400 From: "Adrian Jones" To: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:38:56 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6630aGbd6P3z6XR1Oqlvd/x6lwpg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Head on the TD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I'm really enjoying your photo progress. No washers under the head nuts? Cheers! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 13:43:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB26403F2 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:43:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DDC40357; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id c14so4465406vea.15 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3Sq1/Pyu7XaizKt8JbGh8bGMz2uGcl8TwUtfxawhy8s=; b=tbLyOnIWF+E/6ICjY1wpbZ+W6qkjAyZ4/YasmK/NklXyWFfkuaJCt0FCbP20TCme49 eF/jc0mmzJMvEWk8+jLQyZ4fJIW2SX9t3b7U2XXiRznR4Bya42RJknlQEDhed4YFKL3D cb+n5UaUZYdtmRL7dXnefBBi869tZz2TOvv1QTIhC7tH2u2s+Z8gdzENXvL8cjPEhO6w Bv2FtvKrKXtF+OE70p7lTNZs8Umx786+o8n0hNCcBRZWsxp4c9lzG1oe+IXWND7wyL1h c7HggYN/D4IWGd1SmDxmG1zRC3V9OFHESjyT6Oqi3E2o6feY88MatxAgW4zaeK/Zowl5 7YYQ== sx6mr20016379vdc.15.1380570109620; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:41:49 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mgs] Exhaust installed... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, Got the exhaust installed today. Here are a few pictures of the job. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130930_133237.jpg I may switch to thicker brass nuts, some day. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130930_133206.jpg Here's a restored and reinstalled exhaust hanger, one of the two. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130930_133216.jpg And here's the hard mount I had to make for the exhaust to the transmission. I'll install a correct hanger later - maybe. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130930_133226.jpg I'm now off to the tub. Some of the front bulkhead still needs to be cleaned and primered. I'll then be ready for paint! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 17:32:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB30740415 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289D3403D3; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz11so4708240veb.31 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Q5LQ+2t4Sw74O8evw+IoYgPm4FdSAIhyKlxku866BV8=; b=VG3hOXDTHMfWev+aBsbBeDGJ957QQQQXcYJKNo7WqzNy7HsL1i9fwHL2/bpwuvcHBh 1h+Snoo2S/zWLOxzYNBsy8tF7IlRLfa5MdkSJy7myijYoXZYKIkn097Y3v/t+hq0TKVQ pW05UhjPPV8T4UABUZY3646/SxTuEbG0LbLG9D3aoCu2qJ5wuNZRCH/7IPDLooqkotuY V5bLf5HiMHb8ZvxaGMwe/2MoSm7m60g976hMeuBEVn1z6Ykp/8RElx0j5zvb4p19pUNY EWAYdJ6gW/+nJSecSGfY3L5T4lmXvUfvRXWmvWQy8YJUAgjSTT8XPjZpO8ibQMYTxoxh swfQ== jy9mr9326304vec.20.1380583829232; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:30:29 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, In an earlier note today I vented a bit and in doing so, I have offended a list-member or two. Please know that I was just blowing off steam - and in the wrong forum. For that, I am sorry. To better remove the possibility of offense, and from here on, I will constrain my posts to MG-T and not the wider MGS forum. Again, my apologies to those whom I may have offended. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 18:05:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29ECE403E0 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm43-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3738A4040D for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm43.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2013 00:02:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.236] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2013 00:02:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2013 00:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 64068 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2013 00:02:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1380585767; bh=RNLcICai/W269iPh9jicUgvNfwu7w4izu5wtTMs6X80=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L04Wr8YqC3GAty36xjqg0Mj2ZID5dG3nOp4fbChXtEhtOGv8TLkIXSFYDJlqL5eKOqwcKXmebOa+7ND0e9TqxlP5mNNFFVDu68HEuGoy2t+l5RcVYiy9JldGWeSP2SMuuXQc969JGpXduwQYUO7obEMFiU/FedeKU05vO/RuLi8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3HfPNWgrOXnvE9gSqYciHHVyWirs9YrvCl48jvG2yH1UeDoZzC8BioDXlz5WEyOPFwqTn4zzgX/Ni6d/YOxTR0IHR4VuxkbETiYRNsiaZVM1osksrVHc+e59EXi5YfI5dOAGM+p3xHdRK4fdvmGibs5A4wQ28/CCrKDAC5HMMD0=; BnrPDTPNa.MIrGAgCQflJgBIAshv0KKjq1fPZfnP4m5UZvEaSYsoIBFs5ft6 ALAwIihrveu8JiXGDtVDimh82iEJX12WiWdmO24WDNMz1dWXv4qV5NXd0Efa S9d.BTFp5y_MlR6adamCN9WQWyd5JX4tcuPlaWA644PiAc655TLfYTz.ytzz XEw0GM8NTpsj73VoSmSns.YPkaMmvLtHCnrDR3tyXCgrz_meCl1OBgrZ_SFg dV_lD5x40zfcZ8zXNfWp6MNm9KVJOyJlyDzWy8uHGGE6HHoaX0fV58Cms1Oa qFwTTqD6wIONbbwIlzNRakksd07fPgRgmAu._FjxyxLnRFVjR6uvOpMj0yVd begrpWIA1aTfzO0T292sZDuR1cgiaJrzzwBoB2qofYBJBTgTaeEOQeLEH99B eASWASqkTtDO7UBHmaOPq2ehZjOTuFPkp37WC4qjpi3ga9JODHpJZPbTgLJk A3HxUH.U9wvqj4pJSjpZt71p58DPGm8vEGhcxD5FtMbQiAST9wyxqqPWt_2T qEkE8HphK.aMpoInAt_5vL__qyFlYXHCf0EmJ Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:02:47 PDT UmljaywgaXQncyBhIHNoYW1lIHdlIGhhdmUgc29tZSB0aGluLXNraW5uZWQgbWVtYmVycyBhbmQgb3RoZXJzIHdpdGggbm8gc2Vuc2Ugb2YgaHVtb3IsIGJ1dCBJJ2Qgc3RpbGwgbGlrZSB0byBoZWFyIGFib3V0IHRoZSBwcm9ncmVzcyBvZiB0aGUgVCwgc28gcGxlYXNlIGZlZWwgZnJlZQp0byBtYWlsIG1lIGRpcmVjdGx5Li4uLi4gVGh4LgoKRGFuIEQKCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIExpbmRzYXkgPHJpY2hhcmRvbGluZHNheUBnbWFpbC5jb20.ClQBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, it's a shame we have some thin-skinned members and others with no sense of humor, but I'd still like to hear about the progress of the T, so please feel free to mail me directly..... Thx. Dan D ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" ; "mg-t@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:30 PM Subject: [Mgs] Offense Hello Friends, In an earlier note today I vented a bit and in doing so, I have offended a steam - and in the wrong forum. For that, I am sorry. To better remove the possibility of offense, and from here on, I will constrain my posts to MG-T and not the wider MGS forum. Again, my apologies to those whom I may have offended. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 18:10:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6FE403E2 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E17B403D3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.204]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A311470000081; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dja003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dja003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.69.9]) by mtaomg-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 77D87E000088; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:08:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <1380585767.63601.YahooMailNeo@web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: richardolindsay@gmail.com, mgs@autox.team.net From: Alan Kellogg Received: from 74.69.186.96 by webmail-m235.sysops.aol.com (64.12.107.173) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:08:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:08:51 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1380586131; bh=Ia7FeRCbQ+WJtWgnHuful1/xOHmedYkaKm+lRyMLzIg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DIvozPaN+EFJQh2xtrnjVi57vIKUVB8bhQN59aqbhVdn9+iLhYdapAhRHg/oXQbyI k1rRYxnplRKY1N7l42PW4qDbmUCQ5zeuhM6JcIrS8NUhYzNr4l3UG5KQp3Qx9mvPqj gfejFBvq2y6tBJyw9cUPxCRlIOPG22U46+QKTG4A= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cc524a129355f4 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I must have missed the offensive post. Ditto what Dan said. Alan -----Original Message----- From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay ; mgs@autox.team.net List Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Rick, it's a shame we have some thin-skinned members and others with no sense of humor, but I'd still like to hear about the progress of the T, so please feel free to mail me directly..... Thx. Dan D _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 18:13:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5860542745 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB4D40357 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=melfrankus@carolina.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=swt7uCNK-PIA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=a6hJcQn8gHF4iOK6hY0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=lLJHfMZm3meO7o5VNCLfwg==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.112] ([10.127.132.112:42432] helo=cdptpa-web21-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F8/D8-01465-3531A425; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:12:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:12:03 -0400 From: To: mgs@autox.team.net, richardolindsay@gmail.com, Alan Kellogg Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net what did the guy do please be specific. thanks, mel ---- Alan Kellogg wrote: > I must have missed the offensive post. Ditto what Dan said. > > Alan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan DiBiase > To: Richard Lindsay ; mgs@autox.team.net List > > Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 8:04 pm > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense > > > Rick, it's a shame we have some thin-skinned members and others with no sense > of humor, but I'd still like to hear about the progress of the T, so please > feel free > to mail me directly..... Thx. > > Dan D > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/melfrankus@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 18:19:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7A042770 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DAE2403E0 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13003 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2013 00:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by oproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2013 00:17:26 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=wa7C4uOfs/BkstndzJxFjRxt/jG/R78N1cmplEH4Zu4=; b=b69sr3wfm3FKTqiW92BMa5BuzXtSriHzOBq0UyB+X3/5N8yOTWev8R/pMdtq/7sWgjbT0YbX+46wgCklwHmRxxDzW48SAOLx4DxH8oun7wMpsJj5LVHvwtd5/s26hNFc; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=23272 helo=[192.168.0.119]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VQneX-00017i-T0 for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:17:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:17:16 -0500 From: Just Brits Shop User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1380585767.63601.YahooMailNeo@web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << On 9/30/2013 7:02 PM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > .....so please feel free to mail me directly.....>> Why not you [Dan] and Alan & other 'interested' folks just JOIN the MG-T List ? ? EASIER on Rick ! ! Ed PS: PLZ don't say "I don't know how to join that List" ! ! ! ! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 18:41:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262D140445 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFCC403D4 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp118-210-0-81.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO ericconsultants-macbook-pro.fritz.box) ([118.210.0.81]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 01 Oct 2013 10:09:51 +0930 From: Eric Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:09:45 +0930 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 01/10/2013, at 9:00 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > In an earlier note today I vented a bit and in doing so, I have > offended a list-member or two. Maaaaate.. I was a little stunned when you said: "Nancy watched the news (FOX, of course)"  but I got over it. No need to apologise! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 19:07:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C16B4041B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C712E403D3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=melfrankus@carolina.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=swt7uCNK-PIA:10 a=Npn9PEg5AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=E_25bh7Z-WZLHjDocP0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=dKLlSb39D_AA:10 a=Hq/RogpPpXNZNjKhhIesBQ==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.108] ([10.127.132.108:65518] helo=cdptpa-web17-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 1E/D3-19029-ACE1A425; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 01:00:58 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:00:58 -0400 From: To: Eric , Richard Lindsay Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net See Spot, see Spot run, see Spot turn on Fox news. See Spot watch Bill O'reilly. Watch Spot tremble with fear and hide under the bed. Damn Spot, no worries, O'Reilly is a self-centered boviating windbag. (He can't spell either) --- - Eric wrote: > On 01/10/2013, at 9:00 AM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > > > In an earlier note today I vented a bit and in doing so, I have > > offended a list-member or two. > > Maaaaate.. I was a little stunned when you said: > > "Nancy watched the news (FOX, of course)" > >  but I got over it. No need to apologise! > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/melfrankus@carolina.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 20:44:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C162403E2 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (fproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.55.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B6F6E40357 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13674 invoked by uid 0); 1 Oct 2013 02:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box609.bluehost.com) (70.40.220.109) by fproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2013 02:42:33 -0000 d=justbrits.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=WSyhbU0LqKk/LCGoVmCNBUcktz/Qrg1ODleFZtua85Q=; b=lbz2CP2vngXAxF4k9tG5wK6lpLGYTE7fHLmZd6hjvwgggBiZLfiDw2O1e509IWz4MtOKtWUce9k2F1sJk0xJ52ix32Kseo1ucbr2g9avjqL9AJq5hqASxbnFB9jxURu1; Received: from [24.15.13.164] (port=23392 helo=[192.168.0.119]) by box609.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VQpuz-0008Tl-9N for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:42:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:42:23 -0500 From: Just Brits Shop User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <20131001010058.5MXQZ.127470.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> {sentby:smtp auth 24.15.13.164 authed with shop@justbrits.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net << See Spot, see Spot run, see Spot turn on Fox news. >> ABC & CBS. << See Spot watch News Reader. >> Male &/OR Female. << Watch Spot tremble with fear and hide under the bed. >> BOTH English Springer Spaniels. Male gets there FIRST ! ! Scared of his own shadow ! ! ! << Damn Spot, no worries, ..... >> Male LOVES ALL female Fox folks ! ? ! ? Ed PS: NBC 'seems' to be a wash ? ! ? ! ? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 20:54:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BD740421 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:54:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988124038B; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU404-EAS284 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:47:51 -0700 References: From: Mike E Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 22:47:49 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay FILETIME=[9EF74770:01CEBE50] Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It was pretty inoffensive. Some people just like to look for things to be offended by, I think. I'm on the MGT list, so I'll still get to read your posts, follow your progress, see the photos, and learn from your work. But it's too bad for the MGS list. Cheers, -Mike Sent from my iPad > On Sep 30, 2013, at 19:31, "Richard Lindsay" wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > In an earlier note today I vented a bit and in doing so, I have > offended a list-member or two. Please know that I was just blowing off > steam - and in the wrong forum. For that, I am sorry. > > To better remove the possibility of offense, and from here on, I will > constrain my posts to MG-T and not the wider MGS forum. Again, my > apologies to those whom I may have offended. > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/redscirocco@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 20:55:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077F040441 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B51F403D4 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xeay1m0060Fqzac5EesdqX; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 02:52:37 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com ([IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xesc1m00b36TkJR3Uesd3Q; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 02:52:37 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id eh20so5227826lab.18 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hshxvDO1VWR8fE9br5PM8vqaQLJPqKSg3Yk+kDVQu3U=; b=Afsj4Bsyy6pm0q+pbI5X7asx9S6H2N2OeuaVFwgKBi/gqT2+mV90aW0EMNKjLQMXkZ Awh5pO/T9xLOOgPwEupSbl5yGGG4gfnKDJSV2Urhd6TyNm/J41zevYXrnxm+UzfsemQl nEXLJp7Ux/5IxrK8NY4EEsoNPSjqGBFdKfmrFNxp82x+IkjUBnOrVASAYEWxID8f3wsB emBLwJ0U7jP+xa2ZM0cB5hOVNQtM5WgVy8SoVzNkZ/m6Cr8uCjL22a71JGTsO/gZdA7H 7DLPvZXf3ZjEbpfEn5KvAV0nl9+Hn8XLlajdhdLY7QA1+gckqwIhmqoiAFsvZRLrR3p9 WGZw== 10mr23178245laz.22.1380595956363; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.162.163 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.162.163 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:52:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <20131001010058.5MXQZ.127470.root@cdptpa-web17-z01> <524A368F.5070108@justbrits.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:52:36 -0600 From: Andrew Lundgren To: Just Brits Shop s=q20121106; t=1380595957; bh=hshxvDO1VWR8fE9br5PM8vqaQLJPqKSg3Yk+kDVQu3U=; h=Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:Received:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=glVoAAZ4K1nWUDv+zpzgKI1bIl9CIkvCBhnEqvWzEEmiJ8DbpEc4HxFqkZtb4khql Bm1GigAQNuRWTgzQrnQh529ob4/OjSASFBlbrrXetrvg0z6GkzT5oh15z7/4N9RxqW cdpIToGODTfVCG0myMA1EIWam3osCgECCz2CCQDN6M3bETg9x0r/vobkx8kpkKA+aE EaBgpm3wrxKTfGI/rigwHpxD8Pl2EPvZFdj40IpvYcLFLG7YxWg3L1Qc6gFnCvBg3d +xUhtdpC5peldqGmslMWuN+pfFUXlHtElQusqRHkTlC+r7S9uUVZo7tWV8LVSaMbBC dBvePPRY4xUIA== Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Offense Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed you don't even have to try! On Sep 30, 2013 8:43 PM, "Just Brits Shop" wrote: > << See Spot, see Spot run, see Spot turn on Fox news. >> > > ABC & CBS. > > << See Spot watch News Reader. >> > > Male &/OR Female. > > << Watch Spot tremble with fear and hide under the bed. >> > > BOTH English Springer Spaniels. Male gets there FIRST ! ! > Scared of his own shadow ! ! ! > > << Damn Spot, no worries, ..... >> > > Male LOVES ALL female Fox folks ! ? ! ? > > Ed > > PS: NBC 'seems' to be a wash ? ! ? ! ? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/lundgren@byu.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net