From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 03:53:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F5B4040B for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:53:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-5.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7662040401 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 03:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-5-imp with bizsmtp id wArV1m0024LtS4201ArViM; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 10:51:29 +0000 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=iAJ9uI7nN_EA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=Fhp_3IJOU_wA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=quiY7YbhsgEDGzsqPyYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J9RVUSm2_zNQQBZxjaoA:9 a=OQxiIAMNxkeuzitz:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Andrew Lundgren" References: <52993AFC.5040702@byu.net><529957ED.4090908@ktc.com><52996260.7040206@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:39:17 -0000 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Failed ignition lock in '70 B. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Option C then - dismantle the lock (assuming that can be done, I've never looked) and fiddle the tumblers to fit the key. As the car is now running with another lock and key time is not of the essence. PaulH. ---- Original Message ----- I changed the ignition lock with a spare I acquired a few years ago. The car starts with out any problem now. However, in changing the lock, I have also changed the key. That is something I didn't want to do. So I was looking for advice on repairing what I think is the original lock. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 06:05:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C4240514 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 06:05:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f176.google.com (mail-we0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B78403EF; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 06:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id w62so5098589wes.7 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:03:01 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=1YVP5CA2HTDhHR2OH7lJLAk+NZyMImhtQ+ZTE3/ok6A=; b=l4VMg9zRL4PvP7TsjHdOXrmk0N2HzMtlU4OpktjuvTvemsLaNk2i/I5Bezxaii84ek WzfDxGvuDFVs//ZW+vMN3RNLcA5KI2wFhlq7F+ASSEU4U5fu70cCPseSpsEG8Wn7ptHQ hXFFa6ryJ35xUqEMg3g6OiQcWa5FyBUHUWwr6Fd7k/cc2n8hewTi3OS+3Btzz0jDDGea zjCjdtaDxAmYU/JlyrF2NW6G9h8IumyCcFTeW7O7hXvTww7eLjmTYkhxqew6MExoue+s yTWHP9SoMo7K2lPY8arY4venAkaoyJbfrpNnRxvTzn1ZFuHiMtMBeEyWrqAddvoKeUuw GlKg== wa1mr48777563wjc.31.1385902980763; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:100d:b00a:ff64:dbc0:ee64:6eee:333? ([2600:100d:b00a:ff64:dbc0:ee64:6eee:333]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s20sm112066786wib.1.2013.12.01.05.02.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Dec 2013 05:02:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 07:02:02 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Back at it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Morning Friends, My TD's wings, running boards, bonnet, doors and valences should be painted by now but I won't know until tomorrow. Painters are an unpredictable lot! But you know that. Just got home from a Thanksgiving cruise of the eastern Caribbean. It was an early universal Christmas present to the family. ...and I got to play with my grandson for a week! Back in the garage today. I hope to bleed the brakes in advance of mounting the rear wings. I may also install some of the interior panels. Either way, one week of fun now leads to another (in the garage). -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 1 08:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063CE4273A for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 08:01:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7EF40357 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2013 08:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([75.91.226.103]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id wEzb1m00H2EUvVF01EzcQf; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:59:37 -0500 a=B9j1Of1Noa+NmaYm8k/mMA==:117 a=B9j1Of1Noa+NmaYm8k/mMA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=crK2bTrhSLoA:10 a=iAJ9uI7nN_EA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=Fhp_3IJOU_wA:10 a=_KRlUrxD2pzOvVUG8_cA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=F3xkOGo-NxoA:10 a=0EvSrV-6wlAA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 08:59:35 -0600 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" References: <52993AFC.5040702@byu.net> <529957ED.4090908@ktc.com> <52996260.7040206@ktc.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Failed ignition lock in '70 B. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have one key for my '69 Tourer. It is the ignition key and unlocks both doors and the boot. My '70 Tourer was the same. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 06:02:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A5740551 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:02:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA3740395; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id o6so13116813oag.33 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:00:11 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=FaLc9Q23lRS3r+CF/QKhP+jcdyLlc5UE8qsUmxSUCB8=; b=RjtLIl+vTa+wZN3W/xPS2oiC0RxwPsbrrNQZyqwzYbuKe0p0v4sNXt+r1MVaHDHEuz I53PTZJbt71h85ozZjih9y8nzHGsEu+Evs2zSorwAU2fRYf1TeHjRksPnMzjFmm4XECM IpvIYqOkANKSVZuZRQ0+QEP7BOtrRLGiKmsnLvBtORPPkrVMiJxjtTtouloTn71umqfW Buj4omLJ2Ov8yJ84qvxFBGxxY4JolE7ZutxGGQ6Fc5hg15D9+lm27rbCc43fbr6QhB/m WR2TJZIzI1dF2oYT6tTTIgNKNfAex56TSzCyQTPX2eOacnhywas+9DN51zKJiX9vi4VV I8vQ== bi10mr1511585obb.52.1385989211265; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m7sm23035538obo.7.2013.12.02.05.00.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:00:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 07:00:07 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net, rui.gigante@gmail.com Subject: [Mgs] Excited Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Morning Friends, Going to the painter this morning to see if they have finished painting my TD. Excited. -rick PS: Yea, that's kinda pathetic...but who cares?!B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 2 15:32:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A0A42F34 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:32:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9499B42F29 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:31:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925FFA16BC for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:29:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:29:46 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: mgs Subject: [Mgs] R.I.P. David D. Lavies Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The Grand PooBah of the Loyal and Ancient Order of the Sacred Octogon passed away Saturday evening. Those of you on Facebook may have already heard about it. Sigh. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Dec 7 15:03:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491E042F15 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:03:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail32c40.carrierzone.com (mail89c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8DF42FE6 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:17:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail32c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rB7KEn4F028765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:14:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 14:14:47 -0600 From: Mark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: MG List reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Mgs] MGB Heater Fan 67 BGT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I decided to take a look at the heater fan this morning. It makes a lot of noise and vibrations in the cockpit. I have a metal squirrel cage that turns out to be mostly oval which is my problem. I have tried to straighten it out without much luck. I can't imagine how it got so out of round unless it was pried off a rusted shaft. Moss lists only a plastic fan replacement, any thought on how they work compared to the metal fan? Thanks Mark Nashville _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 9 15:31:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8771B40437 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:31:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35796403DD for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 15:09:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id r10so6017949pdi.10 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:06:15 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cTCAnbNxheq7VRgmGKTyhaFh+JlGu3BAS3Eg5y5gAEY=; b=PPXg6YH5jseBzajxbn/xmy5w2FZGKznh4nGxwROILwxNmJG1YHByl7NRL4dXhozo4I 1z+nDlJKQ3HB16+ZmlvENc3AZnTJv2NERWGELaffiDQ/DphFpLVOEatwNwD4/x7dh3yr U1gYx/YkE+38wAi3ue5ep+erixr44Cb/r9utjwNVVcI4MKMmc72p7GJR++fFv5D0ZnbA n4ZX5cEal5aesMvBniWVL/d8cvd9GFq7m+g9aXSuSIlsDp4ZHHMmnTcmHYVaekFuqmYL uyOH3m2m09OTMnrLiLUoy8AIVjHP8o1iNzY+8rW0BQ6o7ZZu1VSnV2Pmo8SoB1OzULJ2 TDPQ== l6mr7059774pbe.152.1386626775318; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lundgren-laptop.familysearch.org (ec2-184-73-197-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [184.73.197.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm28444108pas.10.2013.12.09.14.06.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Dec 2013 14:06:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:06:12 -0700 From: Andrew Lundgren User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <52A381B7.6020303@nashvilletn.org> Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Heater Fan 67 BGT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net They won't get out of oval, and won't rust... On 12/07/2013 01:14 PM, Mark wrote: > I decided to take a look at the heater fan this morning. It makes a > lot of noise and vibrations in the cockpit. I have a metal squirrel > cage that turns out to be mostly oval which is my problem. I have > tried to straighten it out without much luck. I can't imagine how it > got so out of round unless it was pried off a rusted shaft. Moss > lists only a plastic fan replacement, any thought on how they work > compared to the metal fan? > > Thanks > Mark > Nashville > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 10 22:09:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F9B40410 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:09:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2040395 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:26:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 041N1n0081uE5Es574NCDG; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 04:22:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([69.137.94.144]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 04NC1n00136tVd93c4NCUH; Wed, 11 Dec 2013 04:22:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:22:06 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1386735732; bh=bc8vPm4FVN5SNSOf05IoXcg+UCfEM81BvfllcrUcQM8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=GJ3TirYsh0chE+ddzrA44ybrmnzzQyJEaTgfUkPwFa4rXwBlQdYdlAWxKI9te1uhV M2KM8bwki46mfHS1sUyTNfZC0l/io9g0vu9sm3ayypPWbgYybgWM5qO9AMTQ0WyCFg bIa8E21Yxg0hDuw5nMSbYR2YTzj/WefFTZAXNrg9POnZRNe4W04bt+yVFVnVxUasPH HT2dKGIrB9Tglu62rp1645vGp3P2QfNF1p6WMNYfc3TqLMFUZkCRRBzMu4yfWnVxWO MfYoHVteXOaex3wkGfQ2yWO01PttOYTkWXK3MX+EPiuEIvrwy+w/FRvPmx69Iku3TQ FS90xs8kQ5nPw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 79, Issue 5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, Andrew has two very good points. They can't do either. The only difference I've found, If my memory is as good as I think it is (HAH!) is that the plastic fan doesn't have the keying flat that the metal one does.It's not a deal breaker. I've usedboth in my '67 roadster and can't tell the difference. Output is about the same. I might warn against going to the SUPER! IMPROVED! UPGRADE! The upgradefans that the usual suspects are selling don't quite fit through the hole in the front of the heater box and the screw holes they provide don't quite match up with the originals. So if you have a problem with it you have to take the whole box out in order to remove the fanand move the mounting holes (at your expense). The original just slips out the front of the box, easy as you please. Glenn On 12/10/2013 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > From: Andrew Lundgren > To:mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Heater Fan 67 BGT > Message-ID:<52A63ED4.5020908@byu.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > They won't get out of oval, and won't rust... > > On 12/07/2013 01:14 PM, Mark wrote: >> >I decided to take a look at the heater fan this morning. It makes a >> >lot of noise and vibrations in the cockpit. I have a metal squirrel >> >cage that turns out to be mostly oval which is my problem. I have >> >tried to straighten it out without much luck. I can't imagine how it >> >got so out of round unless it was pried off a rusted shaft. Moss >> >lists only a plastic fan replacement, any thought on how they work >> >compared to the metal fan? >> > >> >Thanks >> >Mark >> >Nashville _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 17 18:41:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6EB42F1A for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:41:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDD14054C; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id db12so4834249veb.36 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:59:35 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lpKoHBMFQZ8eGtbympNY6bOqIKVxBU5qbXDlEv9IMuY=; b=A9LMikOz0GcrOkDgqQWxSHdCjw9RNQmGgJssSRd/zokF2H070F1qWyKDI/+r/t1wxY 6oP0Ej3pOiWYrS1k2H+J0W9iSZ1xrA8RldcrTC9xehhavvDIqMJE599BroazBHrCT+yN hVhSnGsrmWyHSV5y6zWmtxwLLw4Nshii1c/FRBE6FUxsZBzj/aKViEaJNDACWaM13DvB /HN6Qw/Ux9Utp9TQJWKTm7YtMpRnlUBIfQFSTnKGBVld9v9dmdyybt6i2d6wiYNHxetB Q+cacYKgwKf/8nMN6mPjrZ4QqBl+TJhgsdKrpS3qvg0xUKROpJqIdRbZoEDNaKh/4FcM QN9g== a11mr6925509vcz.26.1387309154616; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.250.132 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:39:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:39:14 -0600 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Painted tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, As you may know, I had MAACO paint my TD's wings, doors, bonnet and running boards. Those bits had enough surface rust to need professional refinishing. Here's how the wings came out. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131211_104621.jpg When I got everything home I realized that the new paint didn't match the old paint that I put on the tub. The old paint didn't match the color chart either. It was close but a bit too dark. Must have been a mix problem - and the primer beneath the tub paint was a little different. I already reported these facts to you but I now have remedied the problem. Here are a couple of pictures of the TD tub, sanded and ready for (re)paint. I didn't respray the part under the bonnet as the color difference is just not that great. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131216_161654.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131216_161705.jpg Today, I repainted the tub using DuPont Nason urethane paint supplied by MAACO. Here's how it looks. The color match is perfect. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131217_111735.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131217_111745.jpg I am quite pleased. By tomorrow the paint will be hard and I can begin mounting wings and doors and things! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 05:30:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BA642A55 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:30:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 011C940454 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2013 12:26:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.195] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2013 12:26:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2013 12:26:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16137 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2013 12:26:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1387369603; bh=L1Kf0JrFb8a8FN2gg6UO5Oz7kanxdeQTHtxpjQB8KdM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GwF4KRXZaelKBvZeZUMF9if/InwkV/6IFG1jfILXdqFv5MnJHBsvSWtrs4iRiIoQk0aTHXehm7uJXydUrP8YxMwfMQYkb7gAqdDwoSSwV5TsHleBB+s1H9Ab7rhtPBfi/LgGHkg41YZZ1AGPbClfW7hoJquHt+hhJ7ByyEWRH98= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uqz0q0UrzwSsqHPn1g7iHLnGzdgZdCMdZ4Fapa4qD2J8C6/Q2QXIj0fc0rWYAcBdqvsbi7L557xfudzqX2USAOGvewTmhhWImmZpLAU0H4gqqNcG4YSYomf2XVjxF1TeGeyk6dprJVnIsxLQ1R/2yIA19DbDqIl9f+mzr++SZ4M=; 7vO9yqFLFIMhh_IbJfW6AeV_j46Q54i2.l6oo2gNSk.5vRa.8OSzT9wWKIgb XI7H4wDN.Y1JKdzXlACKOQyObt.LJrxzB7Pu4MHBNAvpNYXDT81McLOJt5KX JhRJXSb698XrzREIbAD0EKr8NX1RUZ23MmXSGhGqPSMdaXQKXdSZ1x2r24Og nH7LHpiIGXgwX1j9dZbgsVc.7lXr5t0lYI37f6DEEoNgQJZnWACPVa.yphRv nB3y09EpHu0Y8jrxAnoNlNcTOuA.1_zBPR36aid6hWE19lXC.TSud3fVKYY2 sIUVQ_PYU0nM4fMYrsaMgZSRO2Djfuya7wn_bQBkWmcXN_BRY6w2beKnqiiq WfvQ8d6zjbgKmCmRh8iTbFwLNBCdCc_xZMGTlrrrlcyEXc7D3x6Sgj6wEgIP V629rDGimpszJghSqn79xhC2R_MYfFSuPjd9tM1q9szb6cu1io11hY3Q22ut 3HtIQyc3.reIZuc8DDCU55fgPngxfkyE6dns0EwAxqlPw93PKDrcQG_ZLjFq e0mN1Eo32l57UN7GuxDwLRQRL.Z52Fn.zLS3dKKhZ1_6ImM7vVgeZ06Otihu tZOq4VnasUBOCxJTSC3EowevQneWk3XkklKnHew-- Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:26:43 PST V2h5IHdhcyBJIHRoaW5raW5nIHRoYXQgeW91IHdlcmUgZ29pbmcgdG8gaGF2ZSB0aGUgZmVuZGVycyBhIGRpZmZlcmVudCBjb2xvciAtIGJsYWNrPyAtIGZyb20gdGhlIGJvZHk_IExvb2tzIGdvb2QuLi4uCgpEYW4gRAonNjVCICc3NkIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmljaGFyZCBMaW5kc2F5IDxyaWNoYXJkb2xpbmRzYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogIm1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQiIDxtZy10QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PjsgIm1nc0ABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Painted tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Why was I thinking that you were going to have the fenders a different color - black? - from the body? Looks good.... Dan D '65B '76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" ; "mgs@autox.team.net List" Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: [Mgs] Painted tub Hello Friends, As you may know, I had MAACO paint my TD's wings, doors, bonnet and running boards. Those bits had enough surface rust to need professional refinishing. Here's how the wings came out. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131211_104621.jpg When I got everything home I realized that the new paint didn't match the old paint that I put on the tub. The old paint didn't match the color chart either. It was close but a bit too dark. Must have been a mix problem - and the primer beneath the tub paint was a little different. I already reported these facts to you but I now have remedied the problem. Here are a couple of pictures of the TD tub, sanded and ready for (re)paint. I didn't respray the part under the bonnet as the color difference is just not that great. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131216_161654.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131216_161705.jpg Today, I repainted the tub using DuPont Nason urethane paint supplied by MAACO. Here's how it looks. The color match is perfect. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131217_111735.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131217_111745.jpg I am quite pleased. By tomorrow the paint will be hard and I can begin mounting wings and doors and things! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: Archive: Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 06:19:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB0642F28 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:19:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f45.google.com (mail-qa0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273F040451; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:06:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o15so3671599qap.11 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:03:07 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=tKolUgc3KlPgCdxecWmY5Z+d9d1RQKv//AesOGV3nO0=; b=z74P6qJzvxIrXKgTYu3+Fr9svQgd1VNUPtpxpVgHTruS8T6jKZaaXXRxapQwyTeHKd JsB7y980hUwk/h4MLsSc67bm4u6a8uNT1OefF7ZyzukjSiHPlVlDR/xQLoCLuK8kSfgE UYnpM3D9H19CdWKzu1neflRuxdt6Hzj1ntsOMXUazWOf6lZvCDoOw3bmMxuU80jkm41Q qNPQJXCuTVqKQDIT3OtAVjmDLQC9oZBTyae9aMrDaRDdHeJyOo0PahxrGzWSykWu5w5M J3yOmwT6UKTwdUQCfwfBBwVODN7bmdahD7bZu4o0tgpf4Bnma1KXf3fHs/EbxBCNbvO5 lcFQ== x4mr52370786qai.59.1387371787005; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (107-192-135-14.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o10sm66604312qaa.6.2013.12.18.05.03.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:03:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:03:03 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: d_dibiase@yahoo.com, mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Painted tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes Dan, that was the earlier motif. I then surfed examples on Google images and changed my mind. Thanks for the kind words. -------- Original message -------- From: Dan DiBiase Date: 12/18/2013 6:26 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Richard Lindsay ,mg-t@autox.team.net,"mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Painted tub Why was I thinking that you were going to have the fenders a different color - black? - from the body? Looks good.... Dan D '65B '76B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" ; "mgs@autox.team.net List" Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: [Mgs] Painted tub Hello Friends, As you may know, I had MAACO paint my TD's wings, doors, bonnet and running boards. Those bits had enough surface rust to need professional refinishing. Here's how the wings came out. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131211_104621.jpg When I got everything home I realized that the new paint didn't match the old paint that I put on the tub. The old paint didn't match the color chart either. It was close but a bit too dark. Must have been a mix problem - and the primer beneath the tub paint was a little different. I already reported these facts to you but I now have remedied the problem. Here are a couple of pictures of the TD tub, sanded and ready for (re)paint. I didn'tB respray the part under the bonnet as the color difference is just not that great. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131216_161654.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131216_161705.jpg Today, I repainted the tub using DuPont Nason urethane paint supplied by MAACO. Here's how it looks. The color match is perfect. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131217_111735.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131217_111745.jpg I am quite pleased. By tomorrow the paint will be hard and I can begin mounting wings and doors and things! -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 07:46:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED7442F38 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:46:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.carrierzone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20C54006D for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from YOURF3E40984A8 (75-121-35-219.dyn.centurytel.net [75.121.35.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rBIEeYB2023286 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:40:36 GMT From: "David F. Darby" To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:40:34 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac774zs4XhdkSc5EThCU1yN6LQsedAAG6lOw a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=t+rQVHZgbmXG1PYDPa0UYA==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=W4uCbKaqAAAA:8 a=O5pJFoxa4cbacWkpMXgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_c3YsNPNTJsA:10 a=H8_uzn_toK4A:10 a=-21nPGNCjOQA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=t+rQVHZgbmXG1PYDPa0UYA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Painted tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mrs. Lindsay! He's put the spare parts in the spare bedroom! David -----Original Message----- From: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Lindsay Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:39 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.netList Subject: [Mgs] Painted tub Hello Friends, As you may know, I had MAACO paint my TD's wings, doors, bonnet and running boards. Those bits had enough surface rust to need professional refinishing. Here's how the wings came out. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131211_104621.jpg _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 18 08:07:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AAC42FAD for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:07:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.141]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5188A403F6 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:01:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from ppp14-2-40-153.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO ericcontantsmbp.fritz.box) ([14.2.40.153]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2013 01:27:42 +1030 From: Eric Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 01:27:44 +1030 References: To: Richard Lindsay Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Painted tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On 18 Dec 2013, at 6:09 am, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > As you may know, I had MAACO paint my TD's wings, doors, bonnet and > running boards. Those bits had enough surface rust to need > professional refinishing. Here's how the wings came out. > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131211_104621.jpg > Oooops, car bits in the bed. This cannot end well. Eric _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 13:26:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B2942F76 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:26:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi205.cox.net (fed1rmfepi205.cox.net [68.230.241.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FAE403EA for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131219121251.RNLS22252.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:12:51 -0500 Received: from cox.net ([85.105.88.217]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id 3QCo1n0074hMiml01QCq5D; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:12:51 -0500 p=_9iz-RegW-YWNdx2:21 a=Xvkc/Dsfg7ZaFJmudamWgA==:17 a=0YKuSjXcuzoA:10 a=Vg1aTBmGs4UA:10 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=nOYPW8_7xhIA:10 a=cux7wQlOAAAA:8 a=seCeXJPFdeqMXvTVSx4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ta8bRqBNJJQA:10 a=JoHYnsmh8KYA:10 a=gSXCuhTZKfYA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Xvkc/Dsfg7ZaFJmudamWgA==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=alltelqueen@cox.net From: "Dean Crowley" To: "MG Mail List" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:12:44 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] Salutations, how are you? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://saygimuhendislik.com.tr/wp-includes/pinterest.php?eekzypkenq1103ekeyqq dcrowley65 =================== Differentials are the ghosts of departed quantities. -- Alfred North Whitehead _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 19 14:06:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28AD42FEA for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:06:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1EB4041D for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id la4so990070vcb.1 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:41:27 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Gaw7l7xVaqgZAto/RscAbYAbtBs03ojQSFi3OTxCyq8=; b=Q+OuFzHMyISkVGYJfPyDbwNUkwM73waL/vsA45reKywB8+g4SNeFuBjFLQ99lFoyBB 5JzBH8fXdUSKhEJ5vpALmVp40wBKKecPhslQq82AQKfCTJs8jr5wYp5qV5seKbl9LL07 nDMVw48RFjH1HT8yq1k1pPl1tHziMfPN+eHgPId/ExuM8JtkSQrgB3q/IIV4wr/rPFRx ep26fxXnK7eP9DZPRSfmJJp4OveFSsXcrnbhB8s81tyRdyTyQIF0Ox7/9V/LPVx0MYGR 7e5vSbXqoaEEmQOW0RB44MiAfxLxq6ws1w+sggOJ63w8jP08MxdL8kylRvwvDl6WZReI kp2w== tv2mr1544695vec.11.1387471933911; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.250.132 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:52:13 -0800 (PST) References: <998ED331-CCBD-4A40-A541-2BB7E52A25F9@erickson.on.net> <8406AC11-7F29-41C2-B5FD-F9876E0BA9C1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:52:13 -0600 From: Richard Lindsay To: Craig Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] (External) Re: Painted tub Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yea. When I bought my (first) Ferrari, my wife said - honestly, she did say this - if a bit tongue-in-cheek, "Rick, if you were going to have a mid-life crisis, you should have gotten a blond. She would have been cheaper and a lot less trouble!" -me On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Craig wrote: > My wife says my cars are like a mistress! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "Eric" wrote: >> >> On 18 Dec 2013, at 6:09 am, Richard Lindsay >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Friends, >>> >>> As you may know, I had MAACO paint my TD's.... >> >> Oooops, car bits in the bed. >> >> This cannot end well. >> >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/craig.brownlee@oneok.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 13:05:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923C74040D for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:05:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3050A403EF for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([76.183.214.111]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 4k3c1n00C2QmmGk01k3dBl; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:03:37 -0700 From: "Dave" To: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Mgs] event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net hi, all. my son is in Alabama; we are trying to find a british car event to attend together this spring in the southeast. we were going to go to the pensacola show but he has a conflict with work. any recommendations? thanks! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 14:04:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB994040B for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:04:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F1F4840406 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2013 21:03:38 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.100] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2013 21:03:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2013 21:03:38 -0000 7SjV2TTGKIxPS3Bnt4pNccx6yrq05p4DjvCSlnCjLi6fJYg7V3awP.klKRni vhNskuGR80pffoTs_SiibWZHxdxMV5S_UPcP3Aq6aMPJmZ0y5BOb7D0TOfV. 7yI3EtTpwadgJ_DTigD0MwHGCF4sw0h8Rt0rn2j4FVFw6M_WrMZqIz2efyiH 372Iu5SIvB8lV60HMGc5zJOvzMK2Oepuj4JJ3pQ.qg1ifRomBuqwG0bMd4fC fii2lab35sHxpKqixX6l.Gc4YpwCQV8.6GMto89_FkT7Y0W5GsI8p4khu9.K OUQRnrxMG_QWLg8ZUp_EajkUgtOO98TcV66MMRRwtX.iXvyJhm.7Pu3e20LO SHwa9ea46Xh08fh_2NbuEbdfkzWG_pKwn5ImfKY.x5gGTbKx53EQL31s4BMQ gqsz3cY.D5WXWeWiNc5X1WaAoY4NrCoNOeF3XMFtgmwAyjfNhZ.bE_hiU.HG HXnu3JUNO8wuM.7Lefo7PbicetZ4UWlhpkmMPF9tTEAfbujkFCZuhf0nuD3k jM825Lue9.39AcBOLHKPg5KhEhprdeqnOygFFNqN5kQ_zkrVjkAlURgjIDZU WbR1v69GwqfDuJdhH (barneymg@99.139.127.171 with plain [98.138.84.52]) by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2013 21:03:38 +0000 UTC Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:03:32 -0600 To: "Dave" , From: Barney Gaylord References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Contact the nearest car club(s) for information on their local events. For a list of every known MG and all-British car club in North America, see here: http://mgaguru.com/links/links_mgclubs_us1.htm For many clubs their annual activities list is not complete until March or April. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 02:03 PM 12/22/2013 -0600, Dave wrote: >.... >my son is in Alabama; we are trying to find a british car event to attend >together this spring in the southeast. > >we were going to go to the pensacola show but he has a conflict with work. >any recommendations? >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 16:15:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C43140436 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:15:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF554040B for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w5so4579176qac.0 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:14:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc :subject:content-type; bh=uRBXsILkiL+xvG8b2ULsV9/Gj/x/EkMU1iZpjXBu6SA=; b=GBR7OAhgrQcA5ZDx8qP7C19DIKpgEdHhIkZ3i2mmHaXDSjkkiv7I82mPZolfzrYPY5 z++k8RCjsu57RPR7zXoKKlRh1lLcItXT6s3buJ8zVMJDE6RWgJ3Hpb/XD7PLNMYrRKkT iRJgDj/2g17KepDiXyD9aDJ68dNrhmT41PSMiqXbZPEsJkK1nY7iC9HICG1whn1aGE78 i9APMU/oQYZ61rTiiTcbfIG7S9iIMFGr952MFYw8ombtR+jjpq3vCrRYwpFfMruwAzuQ k1N86LzVJg2FVqPvlF+HdTJKSv7GgMj0NQTZQCzfx6lpsrBtbtHRafl9PbL7mnY3N4TV 1hiw== y4mr36674748qat.65.1387754083303; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ec2-54-235-159-147.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [54.235.159.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f8sm18629840qab.19.2013.12.22.15.14.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:14:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:14:42 -0800 (PST) References: <674572.40675.bm@smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: "Truxtun Southworth" To: "Barney Gaylord" Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave,B try the Jacksonville based MG club. B Not sure what they have planned but check out their website at: http://www.mgclassics.org I believe GoF South is in Key West in April. B That would be a great MG drive. Tuck B b Sent from Mailbox for iPad On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Barney Gaylord wrote: > Dave, > Contact the nearest car club(s) for information on their local > events. For a list of every known MG and all-British car club in > North America, see here: http://mgaguru.com/links/links_mgclubs_us1.htm > For many clubs their annual activities list is not complete until > March or April. > Barney Gaylord > 1958 MGA with an attitude > http://MGAguru.com > At 02:03 PM 12/22/2013 -0600, Dave wrote: >>.... >>my son is in Alabama; we are trying to find a british car event to attend >>together this spring in the southeast. >> >>we were going to go to the pensacola show but he has a conflict with work. >>any recommendations? >>.... > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/tuck.southworth@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 22 16:24:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C10A4273A for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:24:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail28c40.carrierzone.com (mail92c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E034032A for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail28c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rBMNNNER014634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:23:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:23:17 -0600 From: Mark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] event Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net NAMGBR in French Lick Indiana in mid June.... On 12/22/2013 2:03 PM, Dave wrote: > hi, all. > > my son is in Alabama; we are trying to find a british car event to attend > together this spring in the southeast. > > we were going to go to the pensacola show but he has a conflict with work. > any recommendations? > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 23 15:35:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4223442F85 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:35:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F6A42F48 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([75.91.227.21]) by pacmmta56 with pacmmta56 id 5AZk1n00A0UL5zf01AZlY9; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:33:46 -0500 a=0Bq3kTl57/jLSitCMoAOMA==:117 a=0Bq3kTl57/jLSitCMoAOMA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=1Hn6g5MNOI0A:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=jVcFFGejrOkA:10 a=W4uCbKaqAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hvQqIQ9YKGqzn5BY2oUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=_c3YsNPNTJsA:10 a=SdvNMj5PkgcA:10 a=-21nPGNCjOQA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56 ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:33:42 -0600 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] TD bonnet latches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Rich, That stuff looked better after wire brushing & before the paint job. CR On 12/23/2013 3:49 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hi Friends, > > I got a few free minutes this afternoon so I cleaned the bonnet > latches for my TD. Here's a look at the latch mechanism. > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131223_144833e.jpg > > In that picture you can see the two halves of the latch plus the > handle and the brass attachment screws. > > I cleaned the latches on the wire wheel. Here's how they look after cleaned. > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131223_145738e.jpg > > Here they are with a thin coat of black paint on each side, now drying. > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131223_152853.jpg > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131223_153339.jpg > > And here are all the left-overs. > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131223_145746e.jpg > > I have new handles and will purchase new brass screws to attach the > latches to the bonnet. Perhaps I'll buy stainless steel instead. Here > are the handles. > > http://aubard.us/MGTD/20131223_152953e.jpg > > I also bought new bonnet bumpers for the wings and will install them > before mounting the front wings. > > -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 16:00:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA6340452 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:00:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f52.google.com (mail-qe0-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2033F403EA; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:00:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ne12so12080103qeb.39 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:59:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc :subject:content-type; bh=9EDN6a3OBE8BplLE6tmgrftCXn1WkWXO594YyxfwUrU=; b=CpyaHmwTh59RzttYfYItDbqbTv+8orz/WvR84NddxummnNMbNizUZTJim3Kgwql+HN oeBAH542EPLkdi49G5d6k+GtLxow/gUWWQr5rliZTn59+ONIrIw+QR2CNt3FNeRKwesr cmvM8pgRHvYxTLNR2j+5AMnQyvdxr9wcu+F3wooGcDn6Dbw1vh+KevVjhTfV6E2yWJru 3dHhgkyq3+hX3t7p1aduKXAn7dLAEU+ufl1TJIVp8DgiKhID3reXbK8ziaaMIivCjgVT qoWv2RLHiGFE4tlEEmCKpzqN6wgpAUy2lnVIb/on764+vbw2vMMPFTbWfRV+HZNlmBSf 7Mig== i2mr116406379qew.35.1388444359944; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ec2-54-235-159-147.compute-1.amazonaws.com. [54.235.159.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o3sm67947707qak.5.2013.12.30.14.59.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:59:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:59:19 -0800 (PST) References: From: "Truxtun Southworth" To: "Richard Lindsay" Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If you like the dizzy rebuilt you should look into the cam shafts that Len produces.IMHO they are the best available.B b Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Richard Lindsay wrote: > Hey Gang, > Today I got my TD's distributor back from Len Fanelli. He did a full > rebuild for me. I haven't yet installed it in the TD's XPAG engine, > but will do so in the next day, or three (chilly here). Thanks Lenny. > More info when I have it. > -rick > ______________________________________________ > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tuck.southworth@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 16:08:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C4340442 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:08:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F904403EA; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:04:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ie18so5921500vcb.24 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zDaIiMoMlFySnHIX5l3tbSB2A6XKwSDQ4dRrdMNp2B0=; b=glXwFZkrt7bA1VZM2HDjeejtP6XfeozlG2WyN/Ql6SX0kRYtVxcUezYiGxmJu21euv +J3Hk27OkqMG8gDENEUiw7FhwFuJ1LQNBzHmbnjMZBhDaKLgc2s/LQba/oRk/QcFtwsL Xyjp303Dp5sRjuGpgqZA/0NNzaUDkurWtm7kH3Ydkrksk6r3YrUyy7C11M0/OHTI3nZD UCstxh9vwrKv388R0MyvT+AoRA+HEeH7jM7QeRsG1AvHBrPhZUR+w/9tfLJl/W2QPpyy 2pcXJoI/0ZE6Hs6c/NRVZCfRl8CoEoAxO3QMEMI0YPulPRLuskJo+7lQs3OuHtnltZMG GUQg== mr7mr4233294vec.18.1388444572730; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.250.132 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) References: <1388444359316.100f5abd@Nodemailer> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:02:52 -0600 From: Richard Lindsay To: Truxtun Southworth Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That's what I have heard, Truxtun! Unfortunately (for Len), I don't plan on turning my TD into a hotrod. I already have five of those. My TD is just for puttering around. Glad he has a good product though - and thank you for the endorsement. -rick On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Truxtun Southworth wrote: > If you like the dizzy rebuilt you should look into the cam shafts that Len > produces. > IMHO they are the best available. >  > Sent from Mailbox for iPhone > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Richard Lindsay > wrote: >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> Today I got my TD's distributor back from Len Fanelli. He did a full >> rebuild for me. I haven't yet installed it in the TD's XPAG engine, >> but will do so in the next day, or three (chilly here). Thanks Lenny. >> >> More info when I have it. >> >> -rick >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/tuck.southworth@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 18:37:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D47A4273A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:37:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448E440453 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:36:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [108.169.4.111] (108-169-4-111.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.111] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBV1Z02Y023987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:35:01 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:15:08 -0800 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Thread-Index: Ac8Fxb6D2XK+mLoYrUaN6xXvTGySoA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net $600 hardly seems like an outrageous parts price when you're talking about a Ferrari. I mean, how much are rims? Shock absorbers? Wheel bearings? Now if they stop making them at all, then you have a problem. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/30/13 4:20 PM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay@gmail.com wrote: > What a topic, Paul! > > I wonder which cars will be the classics of tomorrow - if any. We just > had this discussion over on a Ferrari list. The general opinion is > that the last Ferrari that will be a classic is the 328GTB or 328GTS. > Those are the last cars that have limited electronics in the fuel > injection and ignition. After that, the cars use limited production > unique computers. > > Consider this: If your Toyota computer fails, there are original AND > aftermarket parts to repair it. That's because they sell MILLIONS. But > what will one do when one gets in a limited production 360, 458 (or > similar) and presses the 'START' button ... and nothing happens?! You > may just have discovered a really expensive parts car! Say it can't > happen? Try to buy a simple MAF for a 1999 348GTS. Used ones go for > over $600 and new ones are NLA. And the 348 uses TWO of these > expensive little buggers! > > Perhaps I'm just old and grumpy but I just think the classic car hobby > is to have only one future outcome: The classics get older and more > costly, without replacements following them. In my discussions with > brokers, the general opinion is to hold on to your classics because > they're going to climb in value. Seven of my nine cars fit this > definition! The other two are daily drivers... > > -rick > >> It's getting chilly up here in Minnesota too. So cold my 16 year old actually >> wore a jacket to basketball practice. >> >> Tomorrow, high of -4F. He may even button the jacket up then. > > I didn't grow up in Houston so I understand! The confusion seems to > abound. I like cold weather. I don't like to be cold. Folks here seem > to assume that one is the same as the other. :-P > > Happy Monday! I'm now 63 years and one day old! > > -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 18:49:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806640551 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:49:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5105E403E7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:49:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i4so12579810oah.36 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:48:15 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=ONiJHOeq/A5ho+IovFIPIYU6b+5/Vh177J07zTHQM5I=; b=aQyxd+nN7fn6qwr+ubX/asSBLJuzwEstgaprMR6uzOpce+auzSZCvR02fmg+vRSMLk Ks1uHvqQUx2rHLb1fE76wY2CCczhkU53iWE2qQWPVph+owwIpnRRjxYsB4d5eW1cle3e qFECXv4dLj5em4wHggtqA7HdA9VFXEDgPYFrcxWQq8tXu9EeqK38vUjowTUD/kyIZFxY LO+J8Sen7j53wJxKf/Hkhc+6VQg28VHPtTmxud6tSS7Hoxe0QmW4NJGssFORwZuURIQh /slcv1o5QI6MLNEusLt8ApjWWKoPwm4LUjrrO3FHHEzUyIA2yWoQaBjsZpQsk4rSCh8+ B/dQ== l14mr46523087oer.18.1388454495555; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (107-192-135-14.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qe2sm56283625obc.1.2013.12.30.17.48.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:48:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:48:11 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: mvheim@sonic.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net They have. $600+ is used, if one can be found... -------- Original message -------- From: Max Heim Date: 12/30/2013 7:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor $600 hardly seems like an outrageous parts price when you're talking about a Ferrari. I mean, how much are rims? Shock absorbers? Wheel bearings? Now if they stop making them at all, then you have a problem. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/30/13 4:20 PM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay@gmail.com wrote: > What a topic, Paul! > > I wonder which cars will be the classics of tomorrow - if any. We just > had this discussion over on a Ferrari list. The general opinion is > that the last Ferrari that will be a classic is the 328GTB or 328GTS. > Those are the last cars that have limited electronics in the fuel > injection and ignition. After that, the cars use limited production > unique computers. > > Consider this: If your Toyota computer fails, there are original AND > aftermarket parts to repair it. That's because they sell MILLIONS. But > what will one do when one gets in a limited production 360, 458 (or > similar) and presses the 'START' button ... and nothing happens?! You > may just have discovered a really expensive parts car! Say it can't > happen? Try to buy a simple MAF for a 1999 348GTS. Used ones go for > over $600 and new ones are NLA. And the 348 uses TWO of these > expensive little buggers! > > Perhaps I'm just old and grumpy but I just think the classic car hobby > is to have only one future outcome: The classics get older and more > costly, without replacements following them. In my discussions with > brokers, the general opinion is to hold on to your classics because > they're going to climb in value. Seven of my nine cars fit this > definition! The other two are daily drivers... > > -rick > >> It's getting chilly up here in Minnesota too. So cold my 16 year old actually >> wore a jacket to basketball practice. >> >> Tomorrow, high of -4F. He may even button the jacket up then. > > I didn't grow up in Houston so I understand! The confusion seems to > abound. I like cold weather. I don't like to be cold. Folks here seem > to assume that one is the same as the other. :-P > > Happy Monday! I'm now 63 years and one day old! > > -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 18:53:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37F642798 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:53:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB0C40454 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaout-mba02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mba02.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.110]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A5BE0700000B7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] (c-50-163-114-241.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [50.163.114.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mba02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 63F1F3800008C for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:52:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:52:29 -0500 References: To: MG List x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1388454748; bh=/kj8JsxbF2yr2ncuGRusVo8XwYUonEokxutElXINCPA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=sKUuXiAk/UabWXLkdFRnFizdM7EawGku8kS3z2DtMIaZ2ItyI+NKvY/VuBFmrblDu RjH1IorCNXC+BBYz8lVf831+6qIqWPZxAx1Iz8WbdXhm4m1x9t5Ei4g79zjP03ziVt sWJM+VOJUZUaWdk7JdxYErqEG5T0JuCYZrNsTurU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856e52c2235c0dc5 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Woe is the Ferrari owner. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 19:09:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D754287E for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:09:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6385D403EC for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:09:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j17so12683310oag.14 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=2YhNoy5zoeZZ46KEX3kG/laDS9sL6ucd0A/Ldqv+Cbo=; b=SiSpG9Xr3gn+TCavRbLeA+3MPzU4OCqb5lfthQCzGHDqNjpVpYxos8QM48G1cZSvNh NWZVx6JSPwXkwakUi1AsEoJv6qwk87NFjJqLPPGIfRUiVGqwv8BkgEpcTztGKUF77RUU tTv47gKccuIeTWv7BWz8PbRWWE5cZTbiF+Hirk9PH54nXhMbZfyEQglHMpde1YrIedQ9 8H9khODUIAsbmQyx6muTjzdXSQz/7YjpIzbwuaTnnvL5OuZAh/6Kej0jWI5Vk2MuM1an 1uc3dWBQfxCW1YJcVSm6JRrqruRAlimc4tfDwhMmuSlSk1WaLAHrFeTyX5Z8knnEgrOZ +wcA== df17mr46538237oec.16.1388455690486; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (107-192-135-14.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cx7sm66222182oeb.4.2013.12.30.18.08.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:08:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:08:07 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: mgmagnette@aol.com, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ...and the owners of all limited production new cars. Perhaps I'm just paranoid.B I was fortunate enough to find a corroded connector on the last MAF I serviced. It was on a friend's Mondial T. One worked perfectly. The other failed leaving one bank of the engine without charge! While working on the car we found a replacement MAF in Portugal for b,500! -------- Original message -------- From: John Date: 12/30/2013 7:52 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Woe is the Ferrari owner.B _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 19:32:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8F3429B9 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:32:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail16.tpgi.com.au (mail16.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F52040510 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:32:10 -0700 (MST) 2013 13:30:42 +1100; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from [10.156.251.209] ([1.128.217.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail16.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id rBV2Ucf0011328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:30:42 +1100 References: From: Murray Arundell Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:30:40 +1000 To: Max Heim Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good point.... Come to think of it that's not even expensive for an MG part, particularly a Pre War one.... Try pricing such part for a modern Mercedes and you'd be talking $3K... Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia Sent from my iPad > On 31 Dec 2013, at 11:15, Max Heim wrote: > > $600 hardly seems like an outrageous parts price when you're talking about a > Ferrari. I mean, how much are rims? Shock absorbers? Wheel bearings? > > Now if they stop making them at all, then you have a problem. > > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > > > > >> on 12/30/13 4:20 PM, Richard Lindsay at richardolindsay@gmail.com wrote: >> >> What a topic, Paul! >> >> I wonder which cars will be the classics of tomorrow - if any. We just >> had this discussion over on a Ferrari list. The general opinion is >> that the last Ferrari that will be a classic is the 328GTB or 328GTS. >> Those are the last cars that have limited electronics in the fuel >> injection and ignition. After that, the cars use limited production >> unique computers. >> >> Consider this: If your Toyota computer fails, there are original AND >> aftermarket parts to repair it. That's because they sell MILLIONS. But >> what will one do when one gets in a limited production 360, 458 (or >> similar) and presses the 'START' button ... and nothing happens?! You >> may just have discovered a really expensive parts car! Say it can't >> happen? Try to buy a simple MAF for a 1999 348GTS. Used ones go for >> over $600 and new ones are NLA. And the 348 uses TWO of these >> expensive little buggers! >> >> Perhaps I'm just old and grumpy but I just think the classic car hobby >> is to have only one future outcome: The classics get older and more >> costly, without replacements following them. In my discussions with >> brokers, the general opinion is to hold on to your classics because >> they're going to climb in value. Seven of my nine cars fit this >> definition! The other two are daily drivers... >> >> -rick >> >>> It's getting chilly up here in Minnesota too. So cold my 16 year old actually >>> wore a jacket to basketball practice. >>> >>> Tomorrow, high of -4F. He may even button the jacket up then. >> >> I didn't grow up in Houston so I understand! The confusion seems to >> abound. I like cold weather. I don't like to be cold. Folks here seem >> to assume that one is the same as the other. :-P >> >> Happy Monday! I'm now 63 years and one day old! >> >> -rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/arundell@ghs.com.au _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Dec 30 19:49:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AF74053A for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:49:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc1-s18.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc1-s18.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D330240510 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 19:48:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL401-EAS459 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s18.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:47:17 -0800 From: James Schulte Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:47:15 -0500 To: Philly MG Club , MG List FILETIME=[9E274B00:01CF05D2] Subject: [Mgs] Tribute to Prince of Darkness Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwHBXQjaCrw&sns=em Enjoy Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 00:52:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA3B42A58 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:52:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fss1.bezeqint.net (fss1.bezeqint.net [192.114.66.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD84540521 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:52:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mas26.bezeqint.net (EHLO mas26.bezeqint.net) ([192.115.104.156]) by fss1.bezeqint.net (MOS 4.3.6-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BZO21923; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:50:49 +0200 (IST) Received: (from mas26.bezeqint.net [192.115.83.5]) by mas26.bezeqint.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id LRE27450 (AUTH rmort); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:50:48 +0200 (IST) From: To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <387036A9-E245-41E8-91BA-C9C2C3DC1A2B@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:50:48 +0200 (IST) refid=tid=0001.0A0C0303.52C27759.0042, actions=TAG refid=str=0001.0A0C0205.52C27759.01A3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=192.115.83.5, so=2012-12-31 14:30:00, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32, mode=multiengine refid=str=0001.0A0C0205.52C27759.01A3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=192.115.83.5, so=2012-12-31 14:30:00, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once they go. But consider just how much computing power you can get today in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that to what was possible even five years ago. It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific car. The computer would have programmable software modules for any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you would update it with the software profile of your specific car. Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so that not only could you precisely match the specs of the original computer, but you could also customize as well - modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock engine, for example. Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the manufacturers on board would help in creating the software profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic understanding of the required functions should be enough to backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as downloading a file from the internet. There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, only far more sophisticated and customizable. Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... ---- WWWWW"W WWW'WW(WW* ---- >W*WW(WW:B B Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:20:18 -0600 >WWW*:B B Richard Lindsay >W WW)W:B B Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor >WW:B B Paul Root >W"WW*W':B B "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg- t@autox.team.net" > >What a topic, Paul! > >I wonder which cars will be the classics of tomorrow - if any. We just >had this discussion over on a Ferrari list. The general opinion is >that the last Ferrari that will be a classic is the 328GTB or 328GTS. >Those are the last cars that have limited electronics in the fuel >injection and ignition. After that, the cars use limited production >unique computers. > >Consider this: If your Toyota computer fails, there are original AND >aftermarket parts to repair it. That's because they sell MILLIONS. But >what will one do when one gets in a limited production 360, 458 (or >similar) and presses the 'START' button ... and nothing happens?! You >may just have discovered a really expensive parts car! Say it can't >happen? Try to buy a simple MAF for a 1999 348GTS. Used ones go for >over $600 and new ones are NLA. And the 348 uses TWO of these >expensive little buggers! > >Perhaps I'm just old and grumpy but I just think the classic car hobby >is to have only one future outcome: The classics get older and more >costly, without replacements following them. In my discussions with >brokers, the general opinion is to hold on to your classics because >they're going to climb in value. Seven of my nine cars fit this >definition! The other two are daily drivers... > >-rick > >> It's getting chilly up here in Minnesota too. So cold my 16 year old actually wore a jacket to basketball practice. >> >> Tomorrow, high of -4F. He may even button the jacket up then. > >I didn't grow up in Houston so I understand! The confusion seems to >abound. I like cold weather. I don't like to be cold. Folks here seem >to assume that one is the same as the other. :-P > >Happy Monday! I'm now 63 years and one day old! > >-rick >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rmort@bezeqint.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 07:21:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C05842F01 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:21:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D807E4287E for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:21:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id h16so13115314oag.41 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=gsBtlpL7P1HePbao/V2N5XgBBSbq2GUJPA4fiI8ZhYo=; b=y4R1sURtXfBv11xDAT+SXzuJG3/l0rCShjUZnkV/CO8lqXE0kR4e+l4rMx2CNrgWgD 8EItdhqGjzlBg12hh88dNZdEarYV9jYVSGcVlPt7B085khZbzJ1HNaZEAoFSlu2//CXH oz16zLU+qnulXs8B1RYx8W/OujJyD/BBCw7OvMYlX8jNSVYmuArTgsimQMfRjwiPgnYq OoXjevxT/9U31ATTsI7aCOavI+FUCNmprnVLKu4k5BWM4AYMlVN7TlyhEJyJJgCs7jDL +/vdNyp2EqmM+7oLPMuuY6WVGtg9UTDN9oTuBPazrXDtguakDv1jktFwZ+yF9hhaki+Y mnVw== ef8mr48373074oeb.13.1388499585484; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (107-192-135-14.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m4sm68832298oen.7.2013.12.31.06.19.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 06:19:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:19:41 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: rmort@bezeqint.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I certainly hope you are right. And while I agree with you that aftermarket plug-n-play parts for millions of Lexus may be viable, B I somehow doubt that the market for 2800 Mondial 8's would support plug-n-play. BUT, maybe adapters would be all that's needed. Humans do clever things. :-) -rick -------- Original message -------- From: rmort@bezeqint.net Date: 12/31/2013 1:50 AM (GMT-06:00) To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once they go. But consider just how much computing power you can get today in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that to what was possible even five years ago.B It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific car. The computer would have programmable software modules for any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you would update it with the software profile of your specific car. Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so that not only could you precisely match the specs of the original computer, but you could also customize as well - modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock engine, for example. Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the manufacturers on board would help in creating the software profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic understanding of the required functions should be enough to backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as downloading a file from the internet. There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, only far more sophisticated and customizable. Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... ---- WWWWW"W WWW'WW(WW* ---- >W*WW(WW:B BB Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:20:18 -0600 >WWW*:B BB Richard Lindsay B >W WW)W:B BB Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] DistributorB >WW:B BB Paul Root >W"WW*W':B BB "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg- t@autox.team.net" > >What a topic, Paul! > >I wonder which cars will be the classics of tomorrow - if any. We just >had this discussion over on a Ferrari list. The general opinion is >that the last Ferrari that will be a classic is the 328GTB or 328GTS. >Those are the last cars that have limited electronics in the fuel >injection and ignition. After that, the cars use limited production >unique computers. > >Consider this: If your Toyota computer fails, there are original AND >aftermarket parts to repair it. That's because they sell MILLIONS. But >what will one do when one gets in a limited production 360, 458 (or >similar) and presses the 'START' button ... and nothing happens?! You >may just have discovered a really expensive parts car! Say it can't >happen? Try to buy a simple MAF for a 1999 348GTS. Used ones go for >over $600 and new ones are NLA. And the 348 uses TWO of these >expensive little buggers! > >Perhaps I'm just old and grumpy but I just think the classic car hobby >is to have only one future outcome: The classics get older and more >costly, without replacements following them. In my discussions with >brokers, the general opinion is to hold on to your classics because >they're going to climb in value. Seven of my nine cars fit this >definition! The other two are daily drivers... > >-rick > >> It's getting chilly up here in Minnesota too. So cold my 16 year old actually wore a jacket to basketball practice. >> >> Tomorrow, high of -4F. He may even button the jacket up then. > >I didn't grow up in Houston so I understand! The confusion seems to >abound. I like cold weather. I don't like to be cold. Folks here seem >to assume that one is the same as the other. :-P > >Happy Monday! I'm now 63 years and one day old! > >-rick >_______________________________________________ > >Mgs@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donationB $12.75 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/rmort@bezeqint.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 10:25:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B76642F84 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:25:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FAF42F67 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa07-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8HNd1n00M5SgtPc01HNiPB; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:22:43 -0700 From: "Dave" To: References: <387036A9-E245-41E8-91BA-C9C2C3DC1A2B@gmail.com> <20131231095048.LRE27450@mas26.bezeqint.net> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:20:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net very well said. let's get together on this! who knows linux? -----Original Message----- From: rmort@bezeqint.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:50 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once they go. But consider just how much computing power you can get today in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that to what was possible even five years ago. It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific car. The computer would have programmable software modules for any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you would update it with the software profile of your specific car. Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so that not only could you precisely match the specs of the original computer, but you could also customize as well - modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock engine, for example. Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the manufacturers on board would help in creating the software profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic understanding of the required functions should be enough to backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as downloading a file from the internet. There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, only far more sophisticated and customizable. Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 10:37:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A809242F76 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:37:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266874291F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:37:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id pa12so6668172veb.16 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:35:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WUzboquh3eo7c6rPR2L+rnjjfm8lIb0WiYeu2c4rkCA=; b=TS5BFsDUGNm16Prm26eX3WeoaHJ8esCPE8nU6hzoVs+JhKw8ZrahNEKkyPuZdhYTQ3 ixIghckQ+vC+p48gatXaFC+6Mz4uO/LfwwzFzX2yVg2fiO8fKp91HXVADAPNlgyCBSFt FRHEol31LHCSpSB6rmwrZ5YIFU/Rchwkh330e+QfgVtTTCKF9LttGMiZFjokyOEqBJWa gj9HpWecE3b1kLukQaWv2Js2zmz2J4RsdMkeEfjzF4vZ6qQ3dXR1bzIMDV5QAWWHgnSD sNnQ1XAmzI4uC6s3EpgT8kveFT/W9m3yPg060Et4Hl4XRL3ufWJUUpIv3+C69SWpowFt LSaQ== ec5mr1616771veb.68.1388511344077; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.250.132 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:35:44 -0800 (PST) References: <387036A9-E245-41E8-91BA-C9C2C3DC1A2B@gmail.com> <20131231095048.LRE27450@mas26.bezeqint.net> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:35:44 -0600 From: Richard Lindsay To: Dave Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > who knows linux? me -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 11:16:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8546C42FAF for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:16:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8532F42F24 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [173.228.28.80] (173-228-28-80.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBVIA0JG020556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:14:19 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:03:44 -0800 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Thread-Index: Ac8GUqTc5+4xdnNoFkG5TICn0+UdIg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I was thinking along very similar lines. The OEMs use custom chips because they are mass manufacturers. But the same functionality could be provided by general purpose processors and customizable software. NASA even uses customizable off-the-shelf hardware/software packages for space probes. Regarding Rick's concern, I think it more likely that these packages would be developed for exotic cars than for more common models, since the specialist shops and suppliers that cater to the wealthy collectors are more likely to invest in the required development (with the alternative being their trade would dry up). But it would hardly be worth the investment just to keep a small number of surviving uncollectable models on the road (1991 Camrys, for instance), since these owners are unlikely to be spending much money on "restoration". -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/30/13 11:50 PM, rmort@bezeqint.net at rmort@bezeqint.net wrote: > I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state > electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, > the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and > these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once > they go. > But consider just how much computing power you can get today > in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that > to what was possible even five years ago. > It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable > aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to > fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific > car. The computer would have programmable software modules for > any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from > ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you > would update it with the software profile of your specific > car. > Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so > that not only could you precisely match the specs of the > original computer, but you could also customize as well - > modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock > engine, for example. > > Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, > are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the > manufacturers on board would help in creating the software > profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. > If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic > understanding of the required functions should be enough to > backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of > course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has > figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as > downloading a file from the internet. > > There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as > well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, > only far more sophisticated and customizable. > > Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 13:00:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F7642F89 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:00:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD89942F49 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:59:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from FrankPC ([unknown] [100.40.67.189]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MYO004G5SSW2X40@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:58:09 -0600 (CST) From: "FrankK" To: "Dave" , "MG List" References: <387036A9-E245-41E8-91BA-C9C2C3DC1A2B@gmail.com> <20131231095048.LRE27450@mas26.bezeqint.net> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:58:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Isn't that Charley Brown's dog? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:20 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor very well said. let's get together on this! who knows linux? -----Original Message----- From: rmort@bezeqint.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:50 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once they go. But consider just how much computing power you can get today in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that to what was possible even five years ago. It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific car. The computer would have programmable software modules for any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you would update it with the software profile of your specific car. Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so that not only could you precisely match the specs of the original computer, but you could also customize as well - modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock engine, for example. Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the manufacturers on board would help in creating the software profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic understanding of the required functions should be enough to backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as downloading a file from the internet. There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, only far more sophisticated and customizable. Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 16:01:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895CF42F67 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:01:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF7142F2F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:58:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo20so13218223obc.11 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:57:06 -0800 (PST) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=a3tuEZu4AF/oG3+Bw6j8hJGVP2SkPcnnnNmUQj2Ig8E=; b=O+ApHi/N8evmsZELgIo5X37J+o6ov/FOWLc3U+UYzpEszViHAUkpg+Tht6aLCsLDzY 1bvE886+FknpTCCWiHWuLZJlz8Q7JeYL71k8tK9mGKMqB2PyP/+8S9o0kV2h3ZUwQTzQ 7HNLmJ+wCQ5hoAOLdybFoTZrVTf028MzAwr+MGTyHwtiXfYPdqUQlTZjcio2EC9WAa+B rNKQIG1GzoR2z+gyIre9syHOrJZL7et/a2eKCXKs5B9j/ObClf0xC9eccj+0Oon8HP9l 5UXFpPru4Vx3AKxbiDINfgioBaaKCdYYdOn5SvcG8AN3MYzU4dt6QrPtnsruNCq8586j VRng== b6mr49991776obh.27.1388530626833; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (107-192-135-14.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.135.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nw5sm60356738obc.9.2013.12.31.14.57.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:57:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:57:03 -0600 From: Rick Lindsay To: mvheim@sonic.net, mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That makes more sense Max. Follow the money. My concern was more about all the 'other' computer do-dads, than ignition and FI. We all know that with a nice aftermarket engine management system, we can make anything run. I was thinking more about 'restoring' to correct, as delivered, than making it run. Of course, that may be the only option. BTW, a 360 Modena has a bank of computers, interconnected by a fiber optic LAN! And we think wiring up a stereo is a challenge. B :-P -rick -------- Original message -------- From: Max Heim Date: 12/31/2013 12:03 PM (GMT-06:00) To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor I was thinking along very similar lines. The OEMs use custom chips because they are mass manufacturers. But the same functionality could be provided by general purpose processors and customizable software. NASA even uses customizable off-the-shelf hardware/software packages for space probes. Regarding Rick's concern, I think it more likely that these packages would be developed for exotic cars than for more common models, since the specialist shops and suppliers that cater to the wealthy collectors are more likely to invest in the required development (with the alternative being their trade would dry up). But it would hardly be worth the investment just to keep a small number of surviving uncollectable models on the road (1991 Camrys, for instance), since these owners are unlikely to be spending much money on "restoration". -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires on 12/30/13 11:50 PM, rmort@bezeqint.net at rmort@bezeqint.net wrote: > I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state > electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, > the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and > these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once > they go. > But consider just how much computing power you can get today > in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that > to what was possible even five years ago. > It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable > aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to > fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific > car. The computer would have programmable software modules for > any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from > ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you > would update it with the software profile of your specific > car. > Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so > that not only could you precisely match the specs of the > original computer, but you could also customize as well - > modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock > engine, for example. > > Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, > are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the > manufacturers on board would help in creating the software > profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. > If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic > understanding of the required functions should be enough to > backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of > course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has > figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as > downloading a file from the internet. > > There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as > well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, > only far more sophisticated and customizable. > > Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 16:02:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFCD42FC2 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:02:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD31B42FCB for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:59:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8MTz1n0061afHeLA9NxmBM; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:57:46 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:5:1d80:3a:d84e:3c5d:31b8:12c5] ([IPv6:2601:5:1d80:3a:d84e:3c5d:31b8:12c5]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Nxl1n00G0ndcQy8dNxmso; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:57:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:57:43 -0600 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1388530666; bh=AsuffdUUxiV1AjGhZCVAvFeVIU2CLSUg+8g97yLmC3I=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=nvUZ9XHnFaPuGL82GPNIs71LMZAf6key8Yt74ma5K2QYUSaGn/LZWeFWV0gi3IykV VBlYfUhjmf3Zh1GMnSqo9DATOTjNmTWhAAYGdpbYw8KkZ0JED78UrgtM/mm3XFpjag t4wLT5fqVgWWsm4XiOs6wkK1maaoNXAcd2Exb7LSfmhWr0bTfbDBP4E/FgxnZH34BI OTRQxc7Dhpn1msDrALl5tW5smbWMuGdXEp/CQZvDZ4d5N1oEMTaCZU/Tmg9bUoJwF2 mUNHt4rEut+lrWwsXcMw8x9lI8m/Cxhv/+gL2HFDBpjM2cmlrBF2oc4bA3AhrpH3tg UqdtUk+dqPibg== Subject: [Mgs] Happy New Year Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net And y'all drive carefully on the way home. We expect to hear from you this year. Glenn _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 16:14:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B2543017 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:14:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7436342F7A for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w5so12121401qac.14 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:09:28 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=H/t9/+vTxCjqPw3i1JcZbNNSHM05qEAOxgGcWpJuAd4=; b=MiZasLok7yAkXuIITZ5/TTNtx1Z9zQ+nimAZ98TRo7MtBFIwh6xc5GzTh1X2ufWMdG HJBbGvbHCAC+K6qk657j78WbxUYnbG/UP/m2fAtLXjMMUkWf68XdQfNVE8BXNsgvsNH1 avC3jyA2oZQzIIbG13IYcDEfUbzAAynPSSAOSflgeWUIFwHVZ8aSvvB9/3G1HbvlisyW b5g2AmgQ2H5fOGI0F6VYdcSvnCuErAvNoXqHnQ0wUh5NE+bwRVansYlxxa6B02GtEqmy pC+RplCH7tbK0UTrm/sTT8rYhQFHT6hu3LYMF49bPAhQKZyqkQaDGXF99w24cN2W+5O8 /2SA== l8mr122264659qad.101.1388531368495; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.173.3 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:09:28 -0800 (PST) References: <52C34BE7.9030601@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:09:28 +1000 From: Pat Hand To: Glenn Schnittke Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Happy New Year Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Have a MG (Mighty Good) 2014 Best Wishes Pat MG Y Tourer 1949 http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/pdf/mgw0299.pdf http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/pdf/mgw0299.pdf MG B Roadster 1971 On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Glenn Schnittke wrote: > And y'all drive carefully on the way home. We expect to hear from you this > year. > > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pat@pathand.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Dec 31 16:15:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664DA4302D for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:15:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F14742F7A for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:11:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from Datsun ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8PAJ1n00W5SgtPc01PAKQr; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:10:20 -0700 From: "Dave" To: "MG List" References: <387036A9-E245-41E8-91BA-C9C2C3DC1A2B@gmail.com> <20131231095048.LRE27450@mas26.bezeqint.net> <882190262BB545959A5B504257919053@FrankPC> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:06:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Charlie Brown's best friend. is he on TV tonite? -----Original Message----- From: FrankK Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:58 PM To: Dave ; MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor Isn't that Charley Brown's dog? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:20 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor very well said. let's get together on this! who knows linux? -----Original Message----- From: rmort@bezeqint.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:50 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] Distributor I'm not convinced that the advent of black box solid state electronics will mark the end of the classic car era. Sure, the custom, manufacturer correct parts will become NLA, and these type of electronics are basically unserviceable once they go. But consider just how much computing power you can get today in a form factor the size of, say, a phone, and compare that to what was possible even five years ago. It's not too far fetched to start to create a programmable aftermarket 'universal car computer'. All you would need to fabricate are the proper wiring connectors for your specific car. The computer would have programmable software modules for any automotive system that might be computer controlled (from ignition to entertainment, and everything in between), and you would update it with the software profile of your specific car. Ideally, it would be open source and highly configurable, so that not only could you precisely match the specs of the original computer, but you could also customize as well - modify engine controls to better match a no-longer-stock engine, for example. Even the really complex electronics of, say, a Hybrid Lexus, are just sensors and software in the end. Getting the manufacturers on board would help in creating the software profile for specific cars, but it wouldn't truly be necessary. If the software was reasonably well designed, a basic understanding of the required functions should be enough to backwards engineer the programming for any given model. And of course, you only have to do each model once. Once somebody has figured it out, sharing the programming is as easy as downloading a file from the internet. There will probably be a cottage industry of software mods as well, like the 'go-faster' chips you can buy in the magazines, only far more sophisticated and customizable. Hmm, I think I may have just found my million-dollar-idea... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net