From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 09:19:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FA42584549 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mail-out.wi.net [209.225.111.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0912580934; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [184.243.31.95] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XR0gv-0001ja-6C; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:17:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:17:24 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: MGs , SPRIDGETS References: <53F936D3.3060205@wi.net> Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: For Sale! 1969 Sprite Mk IV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The car below has been *SOLD*!**Thanks to all who got the word out. Dave W. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: For Sale! 1969 Sprite Mk IV Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 19:50:27 -0500 From: dwoerpel To: Spridgets@autox.team.net, MGs Howdy folks, I've been asked to give all you gearheads a heads up that there is a 1969 Sprite Mk IV for sale. I am out of room or I would snatch this up! Hopefully we can find it a good home and someone else can enjoy it. Unfortunately, the list doesn't allow attachments or photos. If you want photos contact the seller. It's a pretty LBC!. Here's the info: The following from John Seaman: One of my friends here in Sheboygan has had a 69 Sprite for a few years, and has lost interest in fixing it up. I am familiar with it, and it needs a new clutch, as the pressure plate springs are not strong enough to depress the clutch, so it will need an engine pull to take care of that. We rebuilt the clutch master and slave cylinder, but to no avail. If I had a place to store it and work on it, I would take it on, but now is not the right time for me. Do you know anyone who would like to take on the project? I think the price is fair. See attached. There are not too many good square body Sprites around anymore. From the seller: 1969 Austin Healey Sprite MKIV Body is pretty good shape, 1275 cc engine runs good, but needs clutch.90,000 miles, rebuilt master cylinder, new fuel tank. $3,000. Contact: Keary Kautzer -- Sheboygan WI.kearykautzer@gmail.com 4 pictures were attached. Someone is going to have fun with this car! Dave W. 59 :{) 59 MGA Burlington WI _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 13:37:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07A92584561 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97202584508 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.248] (108-169-4-248.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.248] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8DJeQsT023619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:40:34 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:40:18 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Now I'm in for it... Thread-Index: Ac/PiowahR3/7q7KbUipsj9+ACb93g== Subject: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty but rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, apparently -- it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The seller had got it in a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted out doglegs. He just wanted to flip the pair of them. He was eager to move them since they filled his shop floor to the point of gridlock. The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint shop. It is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front valence. The only body damage I could discern was on the rear valence near the right spring shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the jack onto a jackstand. After I got it home I would swap everything over from the 66, including the entire suspension (mine has wire wheels, this has steelies from some other marque with enormous tires -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the decent interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone out here on the west coast. The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be cleaned out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, door pulls, window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I wasn't planning to use them -- pretty much everything would come out of the 66 or new from Moss. We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and the Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in the fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and drove home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even with the headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those rounded-looking ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a dealer option since it was painted body color (Old English White). >From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of over 29,000 roadsters). Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 (days are numbered, but don't tell her that) If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires BTW, it just completed the 2014 California Melee with no problems except an occasional reluctance to start when hot. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 14:38:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE862584561 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63132584508 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [98.145.150.78]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC327344AE for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:40:52 -0700 To: "" Subject: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The other day, driving home, I nearly didn't make it. Car would come to a sputtering halt every time I had to climb a hill, then would come back to life after I sat for a minute or so. I checked fuel flow and found it lacking. Thinking it was the (aftermarket) pump, I replaced it today with a new one. New pump is rated at 1-4PSI, 25gallons/hr. But I'm not seeing that. I'm still getting about 3 gallons an hour (at the carbs). It took 2 and a half minutes to fill a 16oz cup. I've verified that the fuel filter isn't clogged (I get the same flow without the filter installed). I'm assuming I've got debris somewhere. I'll check the outflow of the pump at the pump soonish (I've got commitments in the next half hour, or I'd have already done it). Obviously, if the flow is bad at the pump body, then the problem is in the tank (or very nearly). But if I get good flow at the pump, what's the best way to try to restore flow to the hard line. I don't see any obvious kinks or damage. And if I get poor performance at the pump, just how miserable is it to get the tank off and fixed? -- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 16:26:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D6C25846FB for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4A62580470 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([151.213.155.64]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id qmUh1o0071PeJVj01mUiYl; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:28:43 -0400 a=jPDtIbvPkE745igLKfdVUQ==:117 a=jPDtIbvPkE745igLKfdVUQ==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=wvAnk4aBjQEA:10 a=lzPgKwLrDlkA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=3YIQKPPGKrFXzhO4mQ0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Kx5RlGkgxskA:10 a=n6auce3Tl98A:10 a=OpkEKhcPlAYA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:28:17 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Aaron Whiteman , "" References: <5C509787-73FF-457F-8C04-71177701D24B@panix.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Have you tried it with the gas cap removed? CR On 9/13/2014 3:40 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > The other day, driving home, I nearly didn't make it. Car would come to a > sputtering halt every time I had to climb a hill, then would come back to life > after I sat for a minute or so. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 17:37:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF392584709 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B802580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.20] (108-169-4-20.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.20] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8DNchoh014340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:39:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:38:35 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Thread-Index: Ac/PiowahR3/7q7KbUipsj9+ACb93gAIUmsP Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Correction: I said "...29,000 roadsters [in 1967]..." -- that's way off. I was going by the VIN range, but that included GTs as well, and it turns out they preallocated VINs in groups, so not all of those numbers were used. So there were only just over 15,000 roadsters in 67, making it kind of a down year. I suspect they shut down the line early to prep for the changeover to the Mark II. That still puts this in the last month of production of Mark I models, probably in the last 2 weeks (this would be October 1967). Curiously, it doesn't have any sign of ever having had reverse lamps, which supposedly were rolled into production in March 1967, some 15,000 VINs earlier. I'm thinking "The Original MGB" must have its facts wrong in this case. on 9/13/14 12:40 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty but > rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, apparently -- > it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The seller had got it in > a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted out doglegs. He just wanted > to flip the pair of them. He was eager to move them since they filled his > shop floor to the point of gridlock. > > The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint shop. It > is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front valence. The only > body damage I could discern was on the rear valence near the right spring > shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the jack onto a jackstand. After > I got it home I would swap everything over from the 66, including the entire > suspension (mine has wire wheels, this has steelies from some other marque > with enormous tires -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the > decent interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own > swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone > out here on the west coast. > > The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be cleaned > out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, door pulls, > window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I wasn't planning to > use them -- pretty much everything would come out of the 66 or new from > Moss. > > We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and the > Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in the > fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and drove > home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even with the > headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those rounded-looking > ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a dealer option since it > was painted body color (Old English White). > > From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of over > 29,000 roadsters). > > Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 19:26:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDF72580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E002580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:26:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [98.145.150.78]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5963747C for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:29:05 -0700 References: <5C509787-73FF-457F-8C04-71177701D24B@panix.com> To: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Replying to myself... On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > But if I get good flow at the pump, > what's the best way to try to restore flow to the hard line. I don't see any > obvious kinks or damage. Removing the gas cap doesn't make a difference in flow rate at the carb or the pump. I ran a pint of fuel through the pump directly into a 16oz cup in about a minute, which isn't super impressive (7.5 gallons/hour, much less than the rated 25). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 19:30:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22082584531 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6113F2580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [98.145.150.78]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E8E37684 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:33:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:33:02 -0700 References: <5C509787-73FF-457F-8C04-71177701D24B@panix.com> To: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Replying to myself... (again, maybe the whole message will make it this time) On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Aaron Whiteman wrote: > But if I get good flow at the pump, > what's the best way to try to restore flow to the hard line. I don't see any > obvious kinks or damage. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 19:37:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA922584652 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D00E2580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [98.145.150.78]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52BC378FC for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:36:45 -0700 References: <5C509787-73FF-457F-8C04-71177701D24B@panix.com> To: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 02:29:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1DB25809FC for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E972580539 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.183]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:32:03 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews17.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:32:03 +0200 Received: from HLaptopPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:32:03 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Max Heim'" , "'MG List'" References: Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:32:10 +0200 Thread-Index: AQH1+j0IUGLUFYmypX6TwBShrh4EX5uz93dQ Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[5C50D720:01CFCFF6] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Nice project Max. If you really like to know everything about the origins of your B, I'd advise to get a BMIHT certificate. It tells almost the date of production and will provide all specs the car was equipped with when shipped from the factory. Cheers Hans Still the same 71 BGT (24 years with me now...) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim Verzonden: zondag 14 september 2014 1:39 Aan: MG List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Correction: I said "...29,000 roadsters [in 1967]..." -- that's way off. I was going by the VIN range, but that included GTs as well, and it turns out they preallocated VINs in groups, so not all of those numbers were used. So there were only just over 15,000 roadsters in 67, making it kind of a down year. I suspect they shut down the line early to prep for the changeover to the Mark II. That still puts this in the last month of production of Mark I models, probably in the last 2 weeks (this would be October 1967). Curiously, it doesn't have any sign of ever having had reverse lamps, which supposedly were rolled into production in March 1967, some 15,000 VINs earlier. I'm thinking "The Original MGB" must have its facts wrong in this case. on 9/13/14 12:40 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty > but rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, > apparently -- it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The > seller had got it in a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted > out doglegs. He just wanted to flip the pair of them. He was eager to > move them since they filled his shop floor to the point of gridlock. > > The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint > shop. It is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front > valence. The only body damage I could discern was on the rear valence > near the right spring shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the > jack onto a jackstand. After I got it home I would swap everything > over from the 66, including the entire suspension (mine has wire > wheels, this has steelies from some other marque with enormous tires > -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the decent > interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own > swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone out here on the west coast. > > The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be > cleaned out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, > door pulls, window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I > wasn't planning to use them -- pretty much everything would come out > of the 66 or new from Moss. > > We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and > the Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in > the fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and > drove home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even > with the headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those > rounded-looking ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a > dealer option since it was painted body color (Old English White). > > From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of > over > 29,000 roadsters). > > Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 05:45:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C49325806DB for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 05:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5548525806DB for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 05:45:04 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1410695274; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=bPmlXmCNnSi4YNLtXXL+azTT+DVyDE/8Iyor1azDoUHUxgq9fpBwTB0qmjDl3h7U3 1r50t4leTETkcSistefUq4iSEYJlQqZIlJGGb6sjrxmNB3Rfg/TUCE1PogY54yL5u2 16tubBgp56G/h5CPgQeucfdS/1VrQaOU7CGXEOhs= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLBMACQA228PQJ for (sender ); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:46:02 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:46:02 GMT To: awhitema@panix.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If you find good flow at the pump outlet, try blowing out the fuel line from pump to carbs with compressed air. Though it seems unlikely that the line has something solid in it, blowing it to test is quick and easy. Also check the flex line from hard fuel pipe to the carb. They can peel internally, impeding flow, yet not leak externally.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Aaron Whiteman To: "" Subject: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 13:40:52 -0700 The other day, driving home, I nearly didn't make it. Car would come to a sputtering halt every time I had to climb a hill, then would come back to life after I sat for a minute or so. I checked fuel flow and found it lacking. Thinking it was the (aftermarket) pump, I replaced it today with a new one. New pump is rated at 1-4PSI, 25gallons/hr. But I'm not seeing that. I'm still getting about 3 gallons an hour (at the carbs). It took 2 and a half minutes to fill a 16oz cup. I've verified that the fuel filter isn't clogged (I get the same flow without the filter installed). I'm assuming I've got debris somewhere. I'll check the outflow of the pump at the pump soonish (I've got commitments in the next half hour, or I'd have already done it). Obviously, if the flow is bad at the pump body, then the problem is in the tank (or very nearly). But if I get good flow at the pump, what's the best way to try to restore flow to the hard line. I don't see any obvious kinks or damage. And if I get poor performance at the pump, just how miserable is it to get the tank off and fixed? -- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 07:59:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF656258459D for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDAB25804C0 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id r22P1o0554LtS420122SFu; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:02:26 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=wvAnk4aBjQEA:10 a=lzPgKwLrDlkA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=XYLpc1jvRqq23MOpWGwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Aaron Whiteman" , References: <5C509787-73FF-457F-8C04-71177701D24B@panix.com> <4DE2BA88-3E89-4B16-BDD3-633097589290@panix.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:53:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net HP pump minimum rate is one Imperial pint per minute, AUF types 30 secs, and in practice it should be double that. If your rate was at the carbs and you get much better at the pump, then the line to the front is causing a blockage. There is normally a joint half-way, you could try opening that up to indicate which section it is in. Then you could try poking stiff wire up it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >> But if I get good flow at the pump, >> what's the best way to try to restore flow to the hard line. I don't see > any >> obvious kinks or damage. > > Removing the gas cap doesn't make a difference in flow rate at the carb or > the > pump. > > I ran a pint of fuel through the pump directly into a 16oz cup in about a > minute, which isn't super impressive (7.5 gallons/hour, much less than the > rated 25). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 08:10:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A0525845A9 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 08:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D512580041 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 08:08:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [172.16.1.122] (unknown [98.145.150.78]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28659366B8 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:11:15 -0700 To: "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 09:18:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068EC25845A9 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D9F25804C0 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF61356ED for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by panix2.panix.com (Postfix, from userid 20083) id 19AAC33C9E; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panix2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C0633C79 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman To: mgs@autox.team.net User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (NEB 1167 2008-08-23) Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fuel starvation issues (or at least I think it is) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't know what it is, but every message I send to the list from my Mac or iPhone get eaten by Mark's defang script. So I'm sending this message old-school, using an ancient unix shell program. Hopefully it works. The frustrating part is that only I know that the whole message made it through. When I last successfully wrote, I said I would check at the pump. I did, and got 16oz in about a minute (7.5ga/hr) at the pump. That's not great, but a lot better than the 2:30 it took to fill the same cup at the carbs. I removed the rubber hose for the fuel filter/carbs and blew out the line forward into a old water bottle... didn't see any sediment of note, but once done, I got better numbers at the carb. 5ga/hr. I'm reasonably satisfied the fuel line isn't the problem. FWIW, there was no difference is the fuel cap was on or off. So I went ahead and took the suggestions to blow air backwards into the tank (with the cap off!). That did it. I now fill a 16oz cup in about 20 seconds. That's right close to the rated capacity of the pump, so it's pretty clear I've got tank sediment. I see moss sells a Canadian made (using US Steel) nickle-plated repro tank that doesn't require prep or paint for less than $200 for 70-75 model years. I have a '75. Anybody have experience with these tanks? At that price it might be worth it to me to avoid the hassle of cleaning and reselling mine. If you got this far, the whole message made it to you this time. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 05:56:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF2F2584496 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 05:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33FC25806DB for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 05:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 11:58:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.195] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 11:58:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 11:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 90518 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2014 11:58:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410782332; bh=fDbswoLWqLMg851/3namIHTu7FylnO6QJGFs12SuZ/E=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MNYj469OnbX70yAqp/HA2YoH40FCFMpV0W90FKe8BHVWLy7e+WT+i59BFimtODag4uJCm1dZU0bPT/JYtE4Behodk9Qc61tJJkUWmZesoxXPODv3oeLWBrE6JGI3UDEst5iMtEH+zXf2ENT8c5YdAwtrmbukyREty/WMG+pw8ok= GmSVE1m5kdSJFbmkNr2Fa3nGpkJO.ZompAlXBkXzhBZnaeUqiHEJhPvw5sQO ZA4H.fMnZd0bZ9gj.AVTnyYVtgKfDCXj51dTI4sAmyJwZlBl5unmDKDnItar wbCZ_3m_eTeA.An4h4IRembXQcrFb.BTr8eK3kicOMtGMabJlhiFon7T_P0i FQDPX.KLFbJAxUNbpp0nRVfK9aj1Xibhjtk0fFMcM.W0rBq68NboXc56rzF8 XFywhMgnnkl9194i5M9q0jRHYBNxfBAx5dHSC73aPrDX9KiIfvk_SIQlx9FO OnSYjvbiTUSC_FuEIkloiT2DhHZB5_L_EP2Wm7O6i.W9N7TYxwl3g8Px_S.2 LJk8oJL54Dn2G.RI6FdrrrLvwbibvnH3U.BngJ7pPaVhTQR5iJu8hFRYos7M 3JcKnj3.EYZ44Wh526OobVCKITTCN2WuLXW6PGdDIE6mDUAsNqhWbFkcF.Ur s1t1GT3QCh.BFjO5ZmKhnZ24xO1aoVcRv8bweTiGQt1pj2ndmw28Z Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 04:58:52 PDT U291bmRzIGdyZWF0LCBNYXgsIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yd2FyZCB0byBzZWUgJ3Byb2dyZXNzJyBwaWNzLi4uIQoKQ2xhdXNhZ2VyIGlzIG9ubHkgYXMgZ29vZCBhcyB0aGUgcmVjb3JkcyB0aGUgZmFjdG9yeSBrZXB0LiBJIGRvbid0IHRoaW5rIGFkbWluIHdhcyBhIHN0cm9uZyBwb2ludCBvZiBBYmluZ2Rvbi4uLi4KCkRhbiBECic3NkIsICc2NUIKQ2VudHJhbCBOSiBVU0EKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IE1heCBIZWltIDxtdmhlaW1Ac29uaWMubmV0PgpUbzogTUcgTGkBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 04:58:52 -0700 From: Dan DiBiase To: Max Heim , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds great, Max, looking forward to see 'progress' pics...! Clausager is only as good as the records the factory kept. I don't think admin was a strong point of Abingdon.... Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Max Heim To: MG List Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Correction: I said "...29,000 roadsters [in 1967]..." -- that's way off. I was going by the VIN range, but that included GTs as well, and it turns out they preallocated VINs in groups, so not all of those numbers were used. So there were only just over 15,000 roadsters in 67, making it kind of a down year. I suspect they shut down the line early to prep for the changeover to the Mark II. That still puts this in the last month of production of Mark I models, probably in the last 2 weeks (this would be October 1967). Curiously, it doesn't have any sign of ever having had reverse lamps, which supposedly were rolled into production in March 1967, some 15,000 VINs earlier. I'm thinking "The Original MGB" must have its facts wrong in this case. on 9/13/14 12:40 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty but > rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, apparently -- > it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The seller had got it in > a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted out doglegs. He just wanted > to flip the pair of them. He was eager to move them since they filled his > shop floor to the point of gridlock. > > The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint shop. It > is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front valence. The only > body damage I could discern was on the rear valence near the right spring > shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the jack onto a jackstand. After > I got it home I would swap everything over from the 66, including the entire > suspension (mine has wire wheels, this has steelies from some other marque > with enormous tires -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the > decent interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own > swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone > out here on the west coast. > > The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be cleaned > out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, door pulls, > window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I wasn't planning to > use them -- pretty much everything would come out of the 66 or new from > Moss. > > We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and the > Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in the > fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and drove > home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even with the > headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those rounded-looking > ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a dealer option since it > was painted body color (Old English White). > > From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of over > 29,000 roadsters). > > Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 08:47:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B018D258479A for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BED225805FD for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:44:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TomVistaPC ([82.15.7.85]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id rSmw1o03L1q4HDu01Smys7; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:46:58 +0100 a=0YEqGNsRc1oqcd/xXMGCDA==:117 a=0YEqGNsRc1oqcd/xXMGCDA==:17 a=N7IMEx1gdrcA:10 a=SwtCKMz6xJQA:10 a=7Kj9Y990AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=wndav2NGAAAA:8 a=TCTY_EG5APGQqdQ-lqQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ETAoIax-vmwA:10 a=7jKsV_gBFQYjoTmddxgA:9 a=o6v3iAj4h5f9KTvY:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 From: "Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd" To: "MG List" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:47:13 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] MGA Radiator Duct measurement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, can someone confirm the vertical measurement of the Radiator duct panel on a MGA for me please? If possible taken from the underside of the shroud where the radiator mounting panels are fixed to an extended line to the top of the duct panel. I've replaced both inner wheel arches and the lower part of the radiator mounting panels have rotted away leaving me no reference to compare. As a rough measurement it looks to be about 14". The following link is an image of the measurement required: http://www.ccw-tools.com/uploads/mga/Radiator%20duct%20measurement.jpg Kindest regards Tom _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 09:52:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FBB2584604 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbag.wi.net (mail-out.wi.net [209.225.111.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CB9258096E for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 184-197-150-89.pools.spcsdns.net ([184.197.150.89] helo=[192.168.1.106]) by mailbag.wi.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XTYc1-0004ng-6C for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:54:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:54:54 -0500 From: dwoerpel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Radiator Duct measurement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, Measurements off my '59 are: 13 3/8" - shelf to underside of shroud ( measurement in your photo) 12 1/8" - shelf to top of metal duct in front of its mounting bracket 9 1/8" - shelf to upper radiator mounting hole FWIW, the front side of the duct bracket you fabircated is 3" in forward of the rubber bonnet buffer hole that is in the bonnet channel. Hope this makes sense and helps. /S//afety Fast/, Dave W. Burlington WI On 9/15/2014 9:47 AM, Tom McCay - Classic-Car-World Ltd wrote: > Hi Guys, can someone confirm the vertical measurement of the Radiator duct > panel on a MGA for me please? > > If possible taken from the underside of the shroud where the radiator mounting > panels are fixed to an extended line to the top of the duct panel. > > I've replaced both inner wheel arches and the lower part of the radiator > mounting panels have rotted away leaving me no reference to compare. As a > rough measurement it looks to be about 14". The following link is an image of > the measurement required: > > http://www.ccw-tools.com/uploads/mga/Radiator%20duct%20measurement.jpg > > Kindest regards > Tom _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 10:54:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85551258463E for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bosmailout10.eigbox.net (bosmailout10.eigbox.net [66.96.188.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF38025808AF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bosmailscan12.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.12]) by bosmailout10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1XTZaX-0000Hh-5d for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan12.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1XTZaX-0007MM-47 for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp19.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.19]) by bosimpout13 with id rUxE1o0020QhFXN01UxHHV; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:57:17 -0400 a=9UqFsMnAB6EOkiq4MrOclQ==:117 a=sJQnmLbwUguiHuekVf1qMQ==:17 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=QPcu4mC3AAAA:8 a=Qd0dgZ-1Fk0A:10 a=g2uzCoRFo08A:10 a=8TQsidncr8QA:10 a=Ux0RRTDBqMIA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=SwN5TLA9AAAA:8 a=YarKIx00AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=mHr6GJ5fAAAA:8 a=VXyFCHbMW75h6Do8S3oA:9 a=VlTlj2uD411Ti5lg:21 a=GofI84BxOV74TRK1:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=D84K_-FTinQA:10 a=yCNigIE0waoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=PrzH1Fi9JD4A:10 a=PPoi31BriXMA:10 Received: from adsl-68-125-108-178.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net ([68.125.108.178]:62787 helo=sportscarsltd) by bosauthsmtp19.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1XTZaT-0000FR-NZ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:57:13 -0400 From: "Michael Singleton" To: "'Max Heim'" , "'MG List'" References: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:57:09 -0700 Thread-Index: AQH1+j0IUGLUFYmypX6TwBShrh4EX5u2Fzhg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Max; I suspect that the book has it wrong. I think that the introduction to the reverse lamps was 1969, with a few stuck on '68's, but I'm going just from vague memories. (I have a '69 with reverse lamps and side reflectors) Mike Michael Singleton Sportscars Ltd 10170 Croydon Way Suite M Sacramento, CA 95826 (916)366-0330 mike@SportscarsLimited.net -----Original Message----- From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max Heim Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:39 PM To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Correction: I said "...29,000 roadsters [in 1967]..." -- that's way off. I was going by the VIN range, but that included GTs as well, and it turns out they preallocated VINs in groups, so not all of those numbers were used. So there were only just over 15,000 roadsters in 67, making it kind of a down year. I suspect they shut down the line early to prep for the changeover to the Mark II. That still puts this in the last month of production of Mark I models, probably in the last 2 weeks (this would be October 1967). Curiously, it doesn't have any sign of ever having had reverse lamps, which supposedly were rolled into production in March 1967, some 15,000 VINs earlier. I'm thinking "The Original MGB" must have its facts wrong in this case. on 9/13/14 12:40 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty > but rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, > apparently -- it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The > seller had got it in a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted > out doglegs. He just wanted to flip the pair of them. He was eager to > move them since they filled his shop floor to the point of gridlock. > > The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint > shop. It is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front > valence. The only body damage I could discern was on the rear valence > near the right spring shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the > jack onto a jackstand. After I got it home I would swap everything > over from the 66, including the entire suspension (mine has wire > wheels, this has steelies from some other marque with enormous tires > -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the decent > interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own > swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone out here on the west coast. > > The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be > cleaned out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, > door pulls, window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I > wasn't planning to use them -- pretty much everything would come out > of the 66 or new from Moss. > > We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and > the Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in > the fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and > drove home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even > with the headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those > rounded-looking ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a > dealer option since it was painted body color (Old English White). > > From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of > over > 29,000 roadsters). > > Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mike@sportscarslimited.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 11:07:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EB825808AF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C1825808AF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.103] (108-169-4-103.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.103] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8FHA0JT002690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:10:01 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:08:42 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Thread-Index: AQH1+j0IUGLUFYmypX6TwBShrh4EX5u2FzhggAADtLc= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think you must be right. The VIN numbers he quoted didn't make sense in context, either -- they were several thousand numbers ahead of the date he mentioned, which makes me think he may have misread a digit, and they should have been thousands later (for example, second digit should have been a "6" but was read as a "0"). on 9/15/14 9:57 AM, Michael Singleton at mike@sportscarslimited.net wrote: > Max; > I suspect that the book has it wrong. I think that the introduction to the > reverse lamps was 1969, with a few stuck on '68's, but I'm going just from > vague memories. (I have a '69 with reverse lamps and side reflectors) > > Mike > > > Michael Singleton > Sportscars Ltd > 10170 Croydon Way > Suite M > Sacramento, CA 95826 > (916)366-0330 > mike@SportscarsLimited.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Max Heim > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:39 PM > To: MG List > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... > > Correction: > > I said "...29,000 roadsters [in 1967]..." -- that's way off. I was going by > the VIN range, but that included GTs as well, and it turns out they > preallocated VINs in groups, so not all of those numbers were used. So there > were only just over 15,000 roadsters in 67, making it kind of a down year. I > suspect they shut down the line early to prep for the changeover to the Mark > II. That still puts this in the last month of production of Mark I models, > probably in the last 2 weeks (this would be October 1967). > > Curiously, it doesn't have any sign of ever having had reverse lamps, which > supposedly were rolled into production in March 1967, some 15,000 VINs > earlier. I'm thinking "The Original MGB" must have its facts wrong in this > case. > > > > on 9/13/14 12:40 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > >> I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty >> but rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, >> apparently -- it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The >> seller had got it in a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted >> out doglegs. He just wanted to flip the pair of them. He was eager to >> move them since they filled his shop floor to the point of gridlock. >> >> The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint >> shop. It is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front >> valence. The only body damage I could discern was on the rear valence >> near the right spring shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the >> jack onto a jackstand. After I got it home I would swap everything >> over from the 66, including the entire suspension (mine has wire >> wheels, this has steelies from some other marque with enormous tires >> -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the decent >> interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own >> swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone > out here on the west coast. >> >> The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be >> cleaned out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, >> door pulls, window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I >> wasn't planning to use them -- pretty much everything would come out >> of the 66 or new from Moss. >> >> We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and >> the Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in >> the fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and >> drove home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even >> with the headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those >> rounded-looking ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a >> dealer option since it was painted body color (Old English White). >> >> From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of >> over >> 29,000 roadsters). >> >> Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... >> > > -- > > Max Heim > '66 MGB GHN3L76149 > If you're near Menlo Park, CA, > it's the primer red one with chrome wires > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mike@sportscarslimited.net > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 16:08:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6872584A97 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B4B258459C for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.168]) by cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 00:03:32 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.24]) by cpsps-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 00:03:32 +0200 Received: from HLaptopPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 00:03:32 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Dan DiBiase'" , "'Max Heim'" , "'MG List'" References: <1410782332.76329.YahooMailNeo@web164906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 00:03:32 +0200 Thread-Index: AQI2JjMxw/LWKpR8IS9J6DLgQuDQcAH1+j0IAfK0va+bFs2L0A== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[E3C09C00:01CFD130] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen my GT's register entry at the BMIHT. Handwritten it is. Though I was not allowed to take a picture. So for me this part of the administration at British Leyland wrked well. What happened at these days at the British car industry (BL) I can tell a long story. You hardly can believe it. I promise to do so, but it's late I go to bed now... Cheers, Hans '71 BGT (February the BMIHT certificate tells me) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Dan DiBiase Verzonden: maandag 15 september 2014 13:59 Aan: Max Heim; MG List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Sounds great, Max, looking forward to see 'progress' pics...! Clausager is only as good as the records the factory kept. I don't think admin was a strong point of Abingdon.... Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Max Heim To: MG List Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Correction: I said "...29,000 roadsters [in 1967]..." -- that's way off. I was going by the VIN range, but that included GTs as well, and it turns out they preallocated VINs in groups, so not all of those numbers were used. So there were only just over 15,000 roadsters in 67, making it kind of a down year. I suspect they shut down the line early to prep for the changeover to the Mark II. That still puts this in the last month of production of Mark I models, probably in the last 2 weeks (this would be October 1967). Curiously, it doesn't have any sign of ever having had reverse lamps, which supposedly were rolled into production in March 1967, some 15,000 VINs earlier. I'm thinking "The Original MGB" must have its facts wrong in this case. on 9/13/14 12:40 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > I just bought a rolling 67 MGB shell as a replacement for my trusty but > rusty 66 roadster. It's been in dry storage in a woodshop, apparently -- > it's full of sawdust but no rust on the bodywork. The seller had got it in > a package deal with a 65 runner that had rusted out doglegs. He just wanted > to flip the pair of them. He was eager to move them since they filled his > shop floor to the point of gridlock. > > The plan is to finish stripping this shell and drop it at the paint shop. It > is missing a left front wing (which I have) and a front valence. The only > body damage I could discern was on the rear valence near the right spring > shackle -- it looks like it had fallen off the jack onto a jackstand. After > I got it home I would swap everything over from the 66, including the entire > suspension (mine has wire wheels, this has steelies from some other marque > with enormous tires -- 195/70 and 185/70), the drivetrain obviously, and the > decent interior bits. This would leave me with enough parts to host my own > swap meet, though the 66 shell is probably too far gone to interest anyone > out here on the west coast. > > The floors and boot are full of miscellaneous junk that needs to be cleaned > out, some of which constitutes actual parts (air cleaners, door pulls, > window winders). The seats are out of a 73 or so, but I wasn't planning to > use them -- pretty much everything would come out of the 66 or new from > Moss. > > We did a little horsetrading -- he wanted to keep the windshield and the > Nardi steering wheel for the other car, but I got him to throw in the > fiberglass hardtop for $100. I actually hooked this onto my 66 and drove > home with it -- it's quieter and sturdier than my Snugtop, even with the > headliner falling out and no seals. This is one of those rounded-looking > ones with the wraparound rear window -- probably a dealer option since it > was painted body color (Old English White). > > From the VIN, this was one of the last 500 67s off the line (out of over > 29,000 roadsters). > > Oh, well, it will keep me off the streets, as they say... > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 03:57:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1541A2584CB3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 03:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8FA258069C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 03:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id rlss1o04T4LtS4201lstFg; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:52:53 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=g2uzCoRFo08A:10 a=8TQsidncr8QA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=DVhMlziA5IgyGqQ4Z1kA:9 a=IZ37qfdwa2OlSSyV:21 a=qNuCQwLlciqJWDwV:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "'MG List'" References: <003401cfd106$18a6b060$49f41120$@sportscarslimited.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:17:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Now I'm in for it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net It would depend on the bodies, which were not made in Abingdon and could take some weeks or even months to get there. The factory fitted reversing lamps sit in depressions on the rear panel and need holes. Until those bodies started coming through Abingdon could not fit them. That's why the introduction point for them is quoted by body number and not chassis number. The body plant may also have had to wait for the modified pressings to start coming through. Maybe the March/April 67 that Clausager quotes is when the decision was taken and the orders for the modification went out. There is also the shipping time of completed cars from the UK to be taken into account, if you are going by vague memories in America. But even with all that for the actual introduction to be as late as 69 in that case seems rather unlikely. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I suspect that the book has it wrong. I think that the introduction to the > reverse lamps was 1969, with a few stuck on '68's, but I'm going just from > vague memories. (I have a '69 with reverse lamps and side reflectors) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 13:12:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1482584518 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB9E25808D7 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.196]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:11:38 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.23]) by cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:11:38 +0200 Received: from HLaptopPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:11:38 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:11:43 +0200 Thread-Index: Ac/UPQpp7A4xA3yMTgaqNyQzKqzjTQ== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[8990DE60:01CFD43D] Subject: [Mgs] At last Landspeed record with MG! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Dear listers, MG has done it again! It's been a long time coming, but on September 7, 2014, Milwaukee Midget Racing established a new Bonneville course record of 122.539 mph for the I/GT class. This was the oldest standing record in the GT category - it stood unbeaten for over 22 years. The 1971 MG Midget, running a 999 cc, 5-port A-series engine, and driven by owner Chris Conrad, ran a best speed of 126.684, with an average record speed of 122.539, during the Utah Salt Flat Racing Association's World of Speed event, September 6-9, 2014. The MG car company has been involved in land speed record attempts since 1930 - an 84 year history of performance. I'm very proud of the Milwaukee Midget team, and we look forward to continued success in future years, running on our own record, and "maintaining the breed" - the fine cars and racing history of the MG car company. http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4087.4380.html Cheers, Hans '71 BGT --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 15:27:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F77D25857CA for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:27:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9D2580B41 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([151.213.159.18]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id t9R71o00N0Q6bmX019R8jp; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:25:09 -0400 a=Y6k2UkVvZZLRd/+oMdzzNA==:117 a=Y6k2UkVvZZLRd/+oMdzzNA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=p2otqac3sSkA:10 a=Go_Hls4D-JUA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=mxLl8TVX8A7liFm9StwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=qzYnnR37l-8A:10 a=aPZG5Zb0cl4A:10 a=m0QivdA_gbYA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:24:31 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Hans Duinhoven , mgs@autox.team.net References: <000301cfd43d$8c80ab50$a58201f0$@planet.nl> Subject: Re: [Mgs] At last Landspeed record with MG! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wonderful Hans!!!!! Thanks!!!! CR On 9/19/2014 2:11 PM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: > Dear listers, > > > > MG has done it again! > > It's been a long time coming, but on September 7, 2014, Milwaukee Midget > Racing established a new Bonneville course record of 122.539 mph for the > I/GT class. This was the oldest standing record in the GT category - it > stood unbeaten for over 22 years. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 09:07:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285782584798 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB77D2580B32 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id trAU1o04g4LtS4201rAVev; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 16:10:29 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=p2otqac3sSkA:10 a=Go_Hls4D-JUA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=XnMFybtS2i50elK1haMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=w0UxS_dkrUEA:10 a=jYNhQiI7V5QA:10 a=GCA-O-h-ZiIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Hans Duinhoven" , References: <000301cfd43d$8c80ab50$a58201f0$@planet.nl> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 16:07:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] At last Landspeed record with MG! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Some confusion between 'hood' and 'bonnet' there, I think :o) Great stuff, he certainly did 'Do it an MG'. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:11 PM Subject: [Mgs] At last Landspeed record with MG! > Dear listers, > > > > MG has done it again! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 09:29:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9762580B32 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F01825803FC for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aaa02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaa02.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.228]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3B65D700354B1 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ama04g.mail.aol.com (core-ama04.mail.aol.com [172.26.125.14]) by mtaomg-aaa02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F21338000081 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:22 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net From: daybell7@aol.com Received: from 74.179.123.137 by webmail-va111.sysops.aol.com (205.188.21.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:20 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1411313482; bh=JIOh9XtIzwX2gjdUB/r/cYrQD3gU2ZxVYKzSwaWUGeA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NLlq0fGzFNqdsUE2fBW45MRytBAVzdnXfnobvdJZasmvAg+Od5hyLeL5dLiLAyzYS aW+kNuLu/4X4gDAxia4lDYkj0CZZ4TY3/05bsgPjZJXtgCXqwFe5zTHId/Ndh3r1RE G1tJX4qYOJO4CCDaSLNunjjfDh10FbARKbVF5GYE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b01e4541eef4a76d3 Subject: [Mgs] '72 MGB Starter Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning, MGers, I just returned from an exciting spin to the local park about five miles away. My wife stepped out for a little while & I thought I'd get a ride in before she returned and I could pretend I was doing lawn work the whole time. Once I was ready to return home, I didn't even get a click from the solenoid. I got kinda concerned. I don't consider myself an expert mechanic like many on this list, but I've owned LBCs for 30 years and that gave me some confidence to just fix the problem. I tried battery connections first, then found the solenoid on the starter and jumped the two big bolts with pliers, but just got a spin. I did notice a white wire had broken from the small spade terminal on the solenoid. I thought: that's the problem for sure and removed the front wheel for better access! Well, the car started once the white wire was reconnected, but I was surprised by the continuous operation of the starter. I simply disconnected the white wire; the starter stopped and I drove home. It took me twenty minutes to do all this and I was home maybe five minutes after my wife returned. I felt good for two reasons: I fixed the car and got home and my wife didn't know in the least. Without any research, I think the solenoid is sticking. I think the starter and solenoid is one unit and I'll have to replace it. I do intend to try to service the unit. Any thoughts? (I think I might be at the point where I can help others on the list rather than always seeking help myself.) Comments? Thanks Steve Hughes Gainesville, FL _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 07:56:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF56925849F0 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from co03.mbox.net (co03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C16C25849A2 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from co03.mbox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by co03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3j1nLP3DQ4z3rgmp for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:58:37 +0000 (UTC) mtad (C8.MAIN.3.82G) with ESMTP id 716siVN7G3648M03; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:58:32 -0000 Received: from ca31.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by co03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.98Q) with ESMTP id XID716siVN7G6259X03; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:58:32 -0000 Received: from web04.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.204] by ca31.cms.usa.net (ESMTP/d.mckinnie@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.95M) with ESMTP id 474siVN7G9824M31; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:58:32 -0000 Received: from 137.143.147.174 [137.143.147.174] by web04.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer C8.MAIN.3.99L); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:58:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:58:32 -0400 From: "Douglas McKinnie" To: Z-USANET-MsgId: XID474siVN7G9824X31 Subject: [Mgs] Spring from clutch pedal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yesterday as I was driving along, I heard a "sprong" and was hit in the leg by some object that then flew across into the passenger footwell. After pulling to the side and investigating, I found under the seat a spring -- about two -inches long, the broken end of which was still attached to the arm of the clutch pedal. An identical spring is attached to the brake pedal. The clutch pedal seems perfectly springy without this spring. Do I need to be concerned about driving without it? I'm commuting in the MGB-GT because both of our modern Fords are off the road with electrical problems. Douglas Newly in Potsdam NY '70 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 09:48:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1703425849FD for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374AE2580A99 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id uFqm1o0374LtS4201Fqmzv; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:50:46 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=AHi_P_OdA4UA:10 a=b5ZmlVv4g5AA:10 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=lWeVW89MDNIxsPSiDaIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Douglas McKinnie" , References: <751siVN6G3312S04.1411394312@web04.cms.usa.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:23:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spring from clutch pedal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I would replace it when you can, or it will only be the springs in the clutch slave and the master that will be pushing the pedal back. This could increase wear on the release bearing, and the pedal is likely to rattle up and down. I've had two go boing on the same car in 55k, but not (so far!) in the other one over 100k. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The clutch pedal seems perfectly springy without this spring. Do I need to > be > concerned about driving without it? I'm commuting in the MGB-GT because > both > of our modern Fords are off the road with electrical problems. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 10:37:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D7625849FD for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A426125806C5 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:37:11 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1411404007; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=H6j4xbnY4f433bZdivQph1FHJ6BU2Y2T7iEEMKvTLr15GarzqtfUjBVVCo1VYV/Gx t3PG2uJWT6AWueY7AvTxT8aCyq8Nwe4geqZNrR7BEfr/nuuan0kZt8md4eAggZavex 06Ex4p9Mlf9Tgk5TNFQUBFbpiqZ9kNaLbOIUPjSY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLCAWGUA49RMEA for (sender ); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:38:05 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:38:05 GMT To: d.mckinnie@usa.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spring from clutch pedal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Commuting in the GT is better than commuting in the Fords. A suitable spring is likely to be available at the local hardware store. I have bought a couple there. Paul notes that of his is original and the others have lasted much less. I have had the same experience. The replacements seem to cut through the loop that passes through the welded tab. When mine have broken, I made another loop for them of some nondescript wire in the garage. Seems to work fine. Cheap, too.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Douglas McKinnie" To: Subject: [Mgs] Spring from clutch pedal Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:58:32 -0400 Yesterday as I was driving along, I heard a "sprong" and was hit in the leg by some object that then flew across into the passenger footwell. After pulling to the side and investigating, I found under the seat a spring -- about two -inches long, the broken end of which was still attached to the arm of the clutch pedal. An identical spring is attached to the brake pedal. The clutch pedal seems perfectly springy without this spring. Do I need to be concerned about driving without it? I'm commuting in the MGB-GT because both of our modern Fords are off the road with electrical problems. Douglas Newly in Potsdam NY '70 BGT _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 10:57:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA18F2580BC2 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9770D25806C5 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.228.28.68] (173-228-28-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8MGvlZR028438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:57:49 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:51:38 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Spring from clutch pedal Thread-Index: Ac/WhXnUg9jSZhuHdUmvf9NCo9aJKw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spring from clutch pedal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe it is called an "anti-rattle spring" for this reason. on 9/22/14 8:23 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > and the pedal is likely to rattle up and down -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 01:14:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399C72584590 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 01:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A8B258083A for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 01:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id vjH51o01V4LtS4201jH53Q; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 08:17:05 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=WzHNiX6cKY2DZ1D7HSYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ZpBT_Y0J_iOLZUiD7VUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=hR3J9dSbJ-EA:10 a=UFY6SxM6PxcA:10 a=W0v8j6zjiZIA:10 a=NpOfH3mKLEoA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 08:17:00 +0100 Subject: [Mgs] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 09:05:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045DD258456B for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-05-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.60]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44A225807F5 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.116]) by p3plwbeout06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id x38F1o0022Wr24H0138FSn; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:08:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 17656 invoked by uid 99); 29 Sep 2014 15:08:15 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.7.3 From: To: MG-MGB@yahoogroups.com, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Mgs] Removing tach drive gear from 3 main MGB engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 09:31:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D75A2580A09 for ; 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Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:55:35 PDT SSd2ZSBzZWVuIGl0IHByZXZpb3VzbHkuIEl0IHdvdWxkIGJlIGEgd29uZGVyZnVsICQ3MCwwMDAgY2FyIQoKRGFuIEQKJzc2QiwgJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogSmFjayBGZWxkbWFuIDxxdWFsaXRhcy5qYWNrQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IG1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjksIDIwMTQgMTE6MzQgQU0KU3ViamVjdDogW01nc10gJDE1NiwwMCBSZWZwbGljYQogCgpIYXZlIHlvdSBzZWUBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:55:35 -0700 From: Dan DiBiase To: Jack Feldman , "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen it previously. It would be a wonderful $70,000 car! Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Jack Feldman To: mgs@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Have you seen this new MG? http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094633_amazing-frontline-abingdon-edition-is-the-singer-of-mgs-video Jack _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 01:37:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B9F25846FD for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE95225806C5 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id xKgC1o01d4LtS4201KgDmK; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:40:13 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=pKY4sABYAAAA:8 a=XgUWgBcHqyO0VU57dMMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Fakf1A-WQiEA:10 a=BzuKTo2-F-kA:10 a=QtKTW0SD2_UA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Jack Feldman" , References: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:32:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like the LE50 they have been trying to shift for a couple of years, but in a roadster body, and at twice the price. http://cars.uk.msn.com/reviews/mg-frontline-le50-review-2012-onwards ----- Original Message ----- > Have you seen this new MG? > > http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094633_amazing-frontline-abingdon-edition-is-the-singer-of-mgs-video _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 07:31:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9562584AB0 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:31:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7DE25807BA for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d1so3503191wiv.12 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:34:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=65ImuAKgv8Km+Xgjj3l13sRtq9eyQVn+TKVzNdK1pg4=; b=USW2AhzHFynxoOx9H19hKwK39nDq5zKr50Doy+aUXWyQ8iaPLMdcGWMcjvPR5zls0v B6fZTp9sx6Rujx44KE1kNwGdC8FHEYpnk2yL7A0D/DTsLTViaRx5d9t2onReogL1Ig1Z u85FOw1I6N7Hbkz+epqcyzgTGVaZJWaiCyzQVeYWI/TAQwxEBC/6RxiYhWwUplIyY1aL a2Or4Vt0bQKqb71EvhxCgIvLiJJL+oVNQgkuR5zzBpTeNJ06XcWK0f+vOvniPiUGAx+K UJNbr+6lzNOxz6Ew+qEhw+U8BxbK5Rl76DxdZcwBa1fgesNwEGC/jlkvNHIA2+jX25Ao RDqQ== en3mr5921205wic.36.1412084080176; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.174.130 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 06:34:40 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:34:40 -0500 From: Jack Feldman To: PaulHunt73 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net All that and no sun roof. Jack On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:32 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > Sounds like the LE50 they have been trying to shift for a couple of years, > but in a roadster body, and at twice the price. > > http://cars.uk.msn.com/reviews/mg-frontline-le50-review-2012-onwards > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Have you seen this new MG? >> >> http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094633_amazing- >> frontline-abingdon-edition-is-the-singer-of-mgs-video _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 11:23:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937212584D5F for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977BB2584D08 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.228.28.145] (173-228-28-145.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8UHQb32028264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:26:38 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:07:03 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Thread-Index: Ac/c0PR6TyApIdx+RE6ANSlPW/A4AQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Huh, I'd think you could cobble up a CB roadster with a Miata drivetrain for a lot less than that. I have a stripped 67 body shell in my carport right now. Starting with the parts I have, doing most of my own work, I'd figure under $20K for very good quality, more if I wanted all-new high-end fittings (which this obviously has but I wouldn't necessarily want or need). on 9/29/14 8:55 AM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: > I've seen it previously. It would be a wonderful $70,000 car! > > Dan D > '76B, '65B > Central NJ USA > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jack Feldman > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:34 AM > Subject: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica > > > Have you seen this new MG? > > http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094633_amazing-frontline-abingdon-edition- > is-the-singer-of-mgs-video > > Jack -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 13:53:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8AD2584D60 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8263525800A5 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.172.30.53]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id xXwR1o00S18lwHC01XwT1P; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:56:27 -0400 a=9WS1pqfpU4ablleyw/jQSQ==:117 a=9WS1pqfpU4ablleyw/jQSQ==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=OJI4fBI8atkgyZy2opEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:56:20 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Max Heim , MG List References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm with you, Max. I suppose one could run up $156K bill with a fully painted Heritage shell and all new other bits plus the cost of the labor by skilled workers. I don't understand why anyone would bother though. :-\ CR On 9/30/2014 12:07 PM, Max Heim wrote: > Huh, I'd think you could cobble up a CB roadster with a Miata drivetrain for > a lot less than that. I have a stripped 67 body shell in my carport right > now. Starting with the parts I have, doing most of my own work, I'd figure > under $20K for very good quality, more if I wanted all-new high-end fittings > (which this obviously has but I wouldn't necessarily want or need). > > on 9/29/14 8:55 AM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 14:28:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2522584620 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D022A25803B5 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.228.28.145] (173-228-28-145.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [173.228.28.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s8UKV8qZ018086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:31:11 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:30:57 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Thread-Index: Ac/c7XCC4njekXL2P0yL2X3NCDC1pw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] $156,00 Refplica Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I really don't see how one could top $50K on mechanical, body and paint -- this is a simple little car, not a prewar Bugatti or 70s Lamborghini. I imagine there is a fair amount of money in electronic gewgaws (nav system, alarm, power accessories) and de luxe finishes (hides, carpet... but I didn't see any woodwork), and I suppose there is more in hidden regulatory improvements (emissions certification, crash testing). But I have to think they are building in a 100% profit with that pricing. Nice if you can get it. on 9/30/14 12:56 PM, Charley & Peggy Robinson at ccrobins@ktc.com wrote: > I'm with you, Max. I suppose one could run up $156K bill with a fully > painted Heritage shell and all new other bits plus the cost of the labor > by skilled workers. I don't understand why anyone would bother though. :-\ > > CR > On 9/30/2014 12:07 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> Huh, I'd think you could cobble up a CB roadster with a Miata drivetrain for >> a lot less than that. I have a stripped 67 body shell in my carport right >> now. Starting with the parts I have, doing most of my own work, I'd figure >> under $20K for very good quality, more if I wanted all-new high-end fittings >> (which this obviously has but I wouldn't necessarily want or need). >> >> on 9/29/14 8:55 AM, Dan DiBiase at d_dibiase@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> > > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net