From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 1 09:39:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61D12580912 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD4D258071F for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.12] (76-191-148-34.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [76.191.148.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s91FgAW2015813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:42:11 -0700 From: Rod Williams Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:42:09 -0700 To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MacGregor British Car Parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone know if MacGregor British Car Parts in Ontario Canada is still in business. I talked to Martin earlier this summer and bought some parts from him but recent email has gone unanswered and the toll-free US number is disconnected and his answering machine picks up but the memory is full. Any one know whats up? -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 1 09:47:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBA625846A1 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B68F0258071F for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:47:35 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1412178637; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=GVckUfBpL04GgXjOVjO37R7dLaPcc1brFUxx/DoW97LV4F7rBIOSZLREQtWvHWSer sWIxG2JrNf7poXtZN7kyirGXrNh/qh0snkw8HsipKazkzQ1zROQs1CukPwXRK4tTSI RFFv7tzJ/h3wWCuZ/62Q6LuJZnZORmYDOHT1aUeo= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLC2JW3AUE5VY2 for (sender ); Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:48:17 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:48:17 GMT To: PRNDL@sonic.net Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] MacGregor British Car Parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net He was seen and talked to at Stowe by one of our club members. Club member and I still await some MGB rubber ordered in 2010 or 2012, though. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rod Williams To: Mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] MacGregor British Car Parts Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:42:09 -0700 Anyone know if MacGregor British Car Parts in Ontario Canada is still in business. I talked to Martin earlier this summer and bought some parts from him but recent email has gone unanswered and the toll-free US number is disconnected and his answering machine picks up but the memory is full. Any one know whats up? -- Rod Williams Petaluma, California _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 1 14:48:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDD225845DF for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:48:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C2E2580B0C for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.147] (108-169-4-147.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.147] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s91Kpkq1026752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:51:48 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 13:49:48 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: MGB Journal Thread-Index: Ac/duT0Nf1LuZ2Cd006rPRrjo/ztrQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Journal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Cool. You probably didn't watch the A's game last night. It was epic and heartbreaking. I was sure the Royals manager had thrown the game away when he pulled his starter -- it certainly looked that way for a couple innings. Then the KC running game went wild. I've never seen anything like it -- it was like Rickey Henderson was on the bases every inning. The horribly ironic part was the ending. The A's called a pitch out and actually had the runner dead to rights (for the first and only time), but the catcher took his eye off the ball and it squirted out of his mitt. The runner immediately scored from second on a base hit without a play. I don't know how that running game will pan out in a longer series -- they seem to have stuffed the roster with speedsters for this one game. Next round they will need some pinch hitters and pitchers on the roster, presumably. on 9/30/14 11:40 PM, Ron Talbot at rtalbot1@mac.com wrote: > Read the hole thing and looked at most of the photos. It is available to all, > no sign up required. You should send this to your brothers as well. Lot of > arcane stuff here. Your spare time is well taken care of for the next decade > or so. ;-) > > Cheers, > Ron > > Sent from my tricorder. > >> On Sep 30, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Max Heim wrote: >> >> I started a journal about my new MGB project, on the MGB Experience site, if >> anyone is interested in tracking my progress. >> >> http://www.mgexp.com/journal/mvheim/11754 >> >> Not a lot of real "progress" so far, just documentation. But the last post >> reveals some interesting details. >> >> Plus: photos! >> >> I'm not sure if you have to sign up in order to view member journals. Maybe >> someone could try and let me know. >> >> Cheerio >> >> -- >> >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >> And now GHN3U137949G >> (not going anywhere anytime soon) >> >> > -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 1 17:41:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF822584E09 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 17:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE9C25806FE for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 17:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.147] (108-169-4-147.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.147] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s91NiGaI003429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:44:21 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 16:43:31 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MGB Journal Thread-Index: Ac/duT0Nf1LuZ2Cd006rPRrjo/ztrQAGESWy Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Journal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, not meant for the list. Excuse the error. on 10/1/14 1:49 PM, Max Heim at mvheim@sonic.net wrote: > Cool. > > You probably didn't watch the A's game last night. It was epic and > heartbreaking. I was sure the Royals manager had thrown the game away when > he pulled his starter -- it certainly looked that way for a couple innings. > Then the KC running game went wild. I've never seen anything like it -- it > was like Rickey Henderson was on the bases every inning. > > The horribly ironic part was the ending. The A's called a pitch out and > actually had the runner dead to rights (for the first and only time), but > the catcher took his eye off the ball and it squirted out of his mitt. The > runner immediately scored from second on a base hit without a play. > > I don't know how that running game will pan out in a longer series -- they > seem to have stuffed the roster with speedsters for this one game. Next > round they will need some pinch hitters and pitchers on the roster, > presumably. > > > > on 9/30/14 11:40 PM, Ron Talbot at rtalbot1@mac.com wrote: > >> Read the hole thing and looked at most of the photos. It is available to >> all, >> no sign up required. You should send this to your brothers as well. Lot of >> arcane stuff here. Your spare time is well taken care of for the next decade >> or so. ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> Ron >> >> Sent from my tricorder. >> >>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Max Heim wrote: >>> >>> I started a journal about my new MGB project, on the MGB Experience site, if >>> anyone is interested in tracking my progress. >>> >>> http://www.mgexp.com/journal/mvheim/11754 >>> >>> Not a lot of real "progress" so far, just documentation. But the last post >>> reveals some interesting details. >>> >>> Plus: photos! >>> >>> I'm not sure if you have to sign up in order to view member journals. Maybe >>> someone could try and let me know. >>> >>> Cheerio >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149 >>> If you're near Menlo Park, CA, >>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires >>> And now GHN3U137949G >>> (not going anywhere anytime soon) >>> >>> >> -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 1 18:10:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53CF25806FE for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3185325806FE for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911FF2C02CC for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:13:05 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: MG List References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Journal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Max Heim wrote: > Sorry, not meant for the list. Excuse the error. This is an example of the thinking behind one of the list settings. Many lists when you simply "reply" will send the message to the list. The Team.Net lists are set up so that a simple reply sends the reply only to the original poster. In my opinion, it is easier to resend a message to the whole list than it is to "unsend" a message that went to the whole list but what NOT supposed to. The message Max sent was not really a problem, just a handy example. On another note I have not made much progress lately on filling in the missing months from the archive. I thought I had a couple of simple shell commands to make it easy, but no such luck, they are not doing what I hoped they would. A bit frustrating. And on a side note, the community radio station that I have playing all day in my office is having their fall fund drive. NINE days of constant chatter begging for donations. Aren't you glad that the Team.Net fund drive consists of 1 single email message per year, and not over a week of hounding? Well, there is the donate link in every message, but that's different. Or at least I hope so. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 01:32:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340E22584E2C for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 01:32:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16D92584DEF for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 01:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id y7aB1o01R4LtS42017aBz7; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:34:11 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=e09bj_4Ka5Tvk_WqzisA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "MG List" References: <542C9891.3020509@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:31:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Journal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Regardless of the Reply option used, why did I get his response and not what he was replying to? I've noticed this a few times lately. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Max Heim wrote: >> Sorry, not meant for the list. Excuse the error. > > This is an example of the thinking behind one of the list settings. Many > lists when you simply "reply" > will send the message to the list. The Team.Net lists are set up so that > a simple reply sends the reply > only to the original poster. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 08:43:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5937525848E4 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89F9258083B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [51.209.140.210] (unknown [66.87.138.210]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005E22E146 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Whiteman Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 07:46:29 -0700 To: "" Subject: [Mgs] October driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net My current facebook status laments that October is the month that I put the MG away. But not today. I drove to work today, something I don't normally do. Ended up following what might be the only other MG in Pullman at the moment. Two MGs in a line, zooming along. David, nice looking car, hope you don't get too much grief about the purple. but I would not drive it around the time of the Apple Cup! _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 09:02:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ECD2584903 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-02-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A483258083B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.116]) by p3plwbeout06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id yF2R1o0012Wr24H01F2R08; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:02:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 18139 invoked by uid 99); 2 Oct 2014 15:02:25 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.7.3 From: To: "Aaron Whiteman" , "mgs@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:02:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] October driving Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 10:18:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9CC2584E4B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-04-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.59]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4741825807AC for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.118]) by p3plwbeout06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id yGMx1o0012ZSNkp01GMxdd; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:21:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 7733 invoked by uid 99); 2 Oct 2014 16:21:57 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.7.3 From: To: "MG List" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:21:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Journal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 11:06:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189D92580B37 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:06:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94ACE2580751 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.179] (108-169-4-179.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.179] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s92GvvZv002801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:09:32 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:51:24 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] MGB Journal Thread-Index: Ac/eYRmd4Ez+dS1AXUeQ0IpLLebFTQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGB Journal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This was an odd case. I had cc'ed a third party on my original post. He replied to "all", but of course his response didn't reach the list, as he is not subscribed. And when I got the reply from him, I naturally replied assuming it would go to him, but it seems to have gone to the list and NOT to him. Which is a little puzzling. I have a mailing list rule set up in my mail app, that may have intervened here. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires And now GHN3U137949G (not going anywhere anytime soon) on 10/2/14 12:31 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > Regardless of the Reply option used, why did I get his response and not what > he was replying to? I've noticed this a few times lately. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Max Heim wrote: >>> Sorry, not meant for the list. Excuse the error. >> >> This is an example of the thinking behind one of the list settings. Many >> lists when you simply "reply" >> will send the message to the list. The Team.Net lists are set up so that >> a simple reply sends the reply >> only to the original poster. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 6 17:09:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C53D2584CB8 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7471E2580777 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2014 23:04:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.161] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2014 23:04:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2014 23:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 79577 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2014 22:58:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1412636292; bh=hRhLr7UZxY8+OzkIsIPH6koQEn1zy1Sr2d4L6Lsmf28=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t+lIIYEcpQkBbOBzOZg5WR829R1UDD5nPoxBI89grs8Rrr8iMs1UQAj8nOHA0IEnh1jTqfPqeDFbUyB7rOK3PkmG8bH3yj4X+/HYQIplskdIILeOOPkFOtAinBjCB12Oa3R0Fu2yJzqDk42vasrLjxXeqK0+U0vRHe/LhNHgaGs= PkxQxLK5W9w0nxtwZueuz_CCBaXFdKhC.DK4xDQcgAtLegIVSTaIza3ghM_w ncB0hiW1nH8dkC7CUDO7VUirTLbkVnB6PlZEjnDL9HijIV4dcg88ZqKeTSlU eZ0GY1Dw_Zs67BmEj_xbAXjNH4B3fuWZf1yAo7CF2BPoDN4_amkmrtm7UJVw JekeMGugw0Ri5C_skQK9Xe7fTaVYzSxFfq6MG4vAu_lXXtLVKplGNrBPmZrF 5q9HODOalx6xT.bghDMtQI_D3W0zXB06zTAnGiIgL.su5kp9HiKJPeHQjkQb PE8oYJYhw8yccMf0UB95p.vJGeiW50UQEBFdbDtZJuDZRXVtDISGKDVn1U3t LCGlc1r8p9.XBG7DCUS7xvBvfRAm74M5GIo1z5jNCy9tx2tj9gPGT4ofQVFo ZMrIbTAls_ku3ruKQnGmADX9_Dz79ETRCQTilsH9o40Xk5U._MlK7iEnagzO p_OwTlT2YKLEIyrVrm7etAqpndK0n7tYThat65gjHktskp9zMgEfo9WdbtNe Xa4jVarmparvP2laq56sjcSnQG9izzCMVI2KQbcXFN8kpm_wmQrMfS23G9QA JgUyz9EZV_5Mt Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 15:58:11 PDT R2xhZCB0byBzZWUgeW91IGJhY2sgYXQgd29yaywgUmljaywgYW5kIG5vdCBqYXVudGluZyBhcm91bmQgdGhlIGNvdW50cnkganVkZ2luZyBjb25jb3Vycy4uLi4hIDstKQoKRGFuIEQKJzc2QiwgJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmljaGFyZCBMaW5kc2F5IDxyaWNoYXJkb2xpbmRzYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogIm1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQiIDxtZy10QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PjsgIm1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCBMaXMBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 15:58:11 -0700 From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Back at it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Glad to see you back at work, Rick, and not jaunting around the country judging concours....! ;-) Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" ; "mgs@autox.team.net List" Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: [Mgs] Back at it... Hi Friends, My Volvo 1800ES project is almost complete. Well, its complete enough to allow me to drive the car around in the driveway (and out of the way of MG TD progress). http://aubard.us/1800ES/20140726_102931.jpg Today, I mounted the bonnet on the '53 TD. I first had to tweak the radiator position a tiny bit but now both sides fit nicely. Here are a couple of looks, work in progress. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141003_135648e.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141003_135642e.jpg Its nice to be back working on old British iron. Besides, this is how the dining room looks! Let's call it 'incentive'. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20140901_134938.jpg -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 7 15:09:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0422584E7F for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC5525808BB; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.177]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:12:04 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews10.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:12:04 +0200 Received: from HLaptopPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:12:03 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'Richard Lindsay'" , , References: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:12:05 +0200 Thread-Index: AQJKhRFDnd1rnnTsk+FzRuxvRurZqJsv282g Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[57B48B00:01CFE273] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Back at it... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Good to see you're making progress Rick! I like the last pic very much. Did the same with the 1973 Puch moped after it came back in parts from the paint shop some 5 years ago... Cheers Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay Verzonden: vrijdag 3 oktober 2014 21:34 Aan: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net List Onderwerp: [Mgs] Back at it... Hi Friends, My Volvo 1800ES project is almost complete. Well, its complete enough to allow me to drive the car around in the driveway (and out of the way of MG TD progress). http://aubard.us/1800ES/20140726_102931.jpg Today, I mounted the bonnet on the '53 TD. I first had to tweak the radiator position a tiny bit but now both sides fit nicely. Here are a couple of looks, work in progress. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141003_135648e.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141003_135642e.jpg Its nice to be back working on old British iron. Besides, this is how the dining room looks! Let's call it 'incentive'. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20140901_134938.jpg -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/h.duinhoven@planet.nl --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 19:18:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F69C258539C for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824C02585371 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([75.91.229.212]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id 0pDt1p0084bc6v701pDvj9; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:13:56 -0400 a=MqPNQ91YdFBwnZmJMEY2+w==:117 a=MqPNQ91YdFBwnZmJMEY2+w==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=We2GSUcPNccA:10 a=fOpwdquTRaQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=UzYOEBfjgVGv4F3TLtEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SvnevWGg5i8A:10 a=CkSlE-TYkwcA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:13:33 -0500 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Don't you just love reassembly?! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Getin' too close to the bone, Rick. The overall pic was nice. CR _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 19:48:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1414D2585455 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB0D25853DE for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:40:46 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=_0GH_bY3c4pJw0RKTLQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=C7fyhpppAVsA:10 a=bUtcTszH8qYA:10 a=VCHW60psUBn45cg4G8gA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=C0QDrbs2QIXZzx7w:21 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.27.8] ([99.194.27.8:54918] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 98/AC-07543-958E5345; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:43:54 -0400 From: "Eric J Russell" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:43:29 -0400 Subject: [Mgs] awesome customer service Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A few days ago I called Joe Curto to purchase a few grommets for the carbs in my MGA. Joe quoted me a price and then says, "I will put them in an envelope with an invoice. You send me a check when they arrive." Amazing! Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 20:03:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655FD258546C for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4BDB2585416 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:56:04 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1412819951; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=mZoCrSdrlAR5AxOFGAJIgJxV/axGSjMGKUYPCACVLwT4MjbP05THXOuiZc3O/EFqr pS597F0liRhm3o4LRlpzc/Sew5aA8h8WSa9d/WnWtNLDGzW3JhqD7/rWahr26PxPyV h8JewaKvtKMERoQOTHaqIuNvXaJoXNfs1WE+uUXI= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLDM49BARHBLRA for (sender ); Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 01:57:58 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 01:57:58 GMT To: ejrussell@mebtel.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] awesome customer service Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You are not the first to complement him on his prompt, expeditious service. In our club, he is thought of very highly for this, and for his good work too.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Eric J Russell" To: Subject: [Mgs] awesome customer service Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:43:29 -0400 A few days ago I called Joe Curto to purchase a few grommets for the carbs in my MGA. Joe quoted me a price and then says, "I will put them in an envelope with an invoice. You send me a check when they arrive." Amazing! Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 9 05:53:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AB62585459 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5716825853B0 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:46:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2014 11:49:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.229] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2014 11:49:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1038.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2014 11:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17190 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2014 11:49:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1412855395; bh=ydcXn6s+pOMy4B7aidYOlEXzP9ZldEPlf7TikA5u5rs=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tHU9uy3RAemVFeXYE+3K5CsJMbjT8/K2Dq3ugAgkelSmHbSjpKocK4k1+oes+WSb9Yh2WglXnFZJOFRbPxSHyU/sh+aVNpceP7ffWevrxUKitHvs2aJVlafuMyYC01WmMpjk01IRNlYxeNqFzAI7EGE7B/eAcyofKdKMlbeCiL4= 6MiW0UzK5agUru9ZCkRz00qcSUdp8d.naPqVaEEYHCznPIvoDsG3ndvmZKkU PqWy2EIJPaX.D0crncnjb6alzU14lh8k0Ckb6s7Oz1_.xDgLMWc.dcIoupXo obU4CJoXVY_x7hpxYjY5c7cGOb3_0.EzseXCzl.lmXV3gNdHfHqUntbXjB_x SjonQ9GcfZf6SkocpgRYcUcs2glTHmEaa9yEEdqlLFvNbLKWB31pAHRtFuyx inI633NnJZvsBErc0HrEbRuFWkwwWPyR4JX.Y5GuzrC8D_aTV2XrMoOyWJ43 TUGWMc_.EhH3duQ1p029xVxCzSPy82cWmSPYyMB0.BFpwyeNcE1CH2.GyIMB DKXo5zaP7NrBhKP3H4LruV_Ei3P4bGjebIXrIkJYAeInB4M2QTtrF6XNMagB kXuhKVv5v3qYrBrrWQyX4w6YhvnykIWMTLD7TCqK_7OWdgeBpTNZ7HUEA2on A5RRrKmkL2pbgVK38P0.dm6Z64ReViJUo4Hq._H415K0lkyiLUKmL3dR4OwA PdE0HGSANZDlJDRDPeKQluaV1YttT8au5xWQ2.ZukIdwWBhR1BCqGVudq49x eMhQ9LJQ- Received: from [69.248.132.241] by web164901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:49:55 PDT SSBob3BlIHlvdSBoYXZlIGFsbCBvZiB0aGUgc2NyZXcgaGVhZHMgYWxpZ25lZCB0aGUgc2FtZSB3YXksIFJpY2ssIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB3aGVuIGl0IGxlZnQgdGhlIGZhY3RvcnkuLi4hIDstKQoKRGFuIEQKJzc2QiwgJzY1QgpDZW50cmFsIE5KIFVTQQoKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogUmljaGFyZCBMaW5kc2F5IDxyaWNoYXJkb2xpbmRzYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgpUbzogIm1nLXRAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQiIDxtZy10QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PjsgIm1nc0BhdXRveC4BMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 04:49:55 -0700 From: Dan DiBiase To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Don't you just love reassembly?! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I hope you have all of the screw heads aligned the same way, Rick, just like when it left the factory...! ;-) Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA ________________________________ From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" ; "mgs@autox.team.net List" Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: [Mgs] Don't you just love reassembly?! I do! http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141008_132952.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141008_145501e.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20141008_145433e.jpg Yes, the rubber bumpers were originally attached with rivets, but I like stainless steel. -rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/d_dibiase@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 9 12:41:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F625859A2 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D424F2580997 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.170.197.11] ([173.170.197.11:50362] helo=[172.16.0.6]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 37/C8-31609-3C5D6345; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:36:51 +0000 From: "W. David Houser" Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 14:36:51 -0400 References: <6F67BA44D6AE4AB997D938C4A6078A98@EricJRussellPC> To: "Eric J Russell" Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] awesome customer service Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That is how Joe works. Quite a friend for over 35 years... Cheers Dave Houser Brooksville, FL On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Eric J Russell wrote: > A few days ago I called Joe Curto to purchase a few grommets for the carbs in > my MGA. Joe quoted me a price and then says, "I will put them in an envelope > with an invoice. You send me a check when they arrive." > > Amazing! > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgs4dave@tampabay.rr.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 9 18:44:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330FD25843DB for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C3E258043F for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BedroomPC (ool-18beb15f.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.177.95]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0ND7003UYE25EA90@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:44:29 -0400 From: John Di Fede To: mgs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac/kImQatc6/lB5lSQSQ+PNyaZfk8w== Subject: Re: [Mgs] : awesome customer service Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago I phoned Joe Curto to inquire regarding what he would charge to re-bush the throttle shafts on the HIF carbs from my 1973 MGB. He sold me the bushings and new shafts and then proceeded to instruct me on how to replace the bushings myself. On HIF carbs the old bushings are easily driven out using an inexpensive piece of steel bar readily found in a hardware store. Needless to say I became a customer for life. John DiFede 1973 MGB --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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The fluid leaks into the cavity where the electrical pigtail connects to the wiring harness. I replaced the switch and it still leaks. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sam _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 14:23:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64FF25806EE for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from summer1.hostnet.nl (summer1.hostnet.nl [91.184.19.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B397E258043F for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [91.184.18.103] (helo=mail02.hostnet.nl) by summer.hostnet.nl with smtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XcglM-0005Dq-1m for mgs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:26:11 +0200 Received: (qmail 1064 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2014 20:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.67?) (info@aleptos.nl@[82.156.208.140]) by 172.17.0.19 with ESMTPSA (AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 10 Oct 2014 20:26:07 -0000 References: <1412960482.11829.YahooMailNeo@web161803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Bert Palte Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:25:54 +0200 To: "sdesalvo@frontiernet.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net" W37/hT5gkd6xTu3aub1BslOC/iVhPbuBn9PDoOhj/xzb7kHn/aQhIMekNi8AbP1K8LEdFLG4hvDS GzBb6bCmAwEvScoSD9XYWon1YEqslxKhtBNCZlBjr6A9oN4tWykFlJMRzxRcj77OW/fTPJr9gt8+ NX/mSH493SsS4aMXJmiJ2G0eb5ahbLolJqPwBRYDyaXoJWPHBdQENhILvzF5KC0a4xwquRmCGpuO FiaFtrUjx5h0YWrvdOJ6PVGpVnW8oOkXZVogUEks5uz+SxUE4e8QCBKvyQDRC5rPT4FEzuzd1/FV Qh+Ufjkeb8JhxCG88CcpRMlUQttwN7g16GYrc3+JTi07MgBjk1GsA1EHZa1mm0vtV/Z1pxGqhLNH JdjiwFxCx23waD61yN1vHZKYDaj/EHRfffLjQGe5cr9jAjD5KxLgNb50Mav2YcwiDT8GtXl8U/I0 uxqZR3KVQgqF/fPYYAfEfshGLSI4Th9rsuai5WywP62syyOshk0jXiQPg+FklZRqswZgkDI9yWKr bmOdodqKMcDJ0zojgt8Hn317YtRE6jgR tNtop9YSC+o6sxlEtJGdVq4qWSNWAawILXkEJCzAUYnSrjiopMzan8mw0AJfTLlouJr9B81ih84y zc14eeHQP3FDx+aafEvAngiJn8dJcHuhN5h3c2ADlLL2q8JY6jbGBX0lLN2wCgiBTkHTq2c9d2y7 URuHSx6WGCKOus9nABr0Pk/4CplP Authentication-Results: hostnet.nl; auth=pass smtp.auth=91.184.18.103 Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake pressure failure switch '72 MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps wrong thread, M10 x 1 instead of 7/16"? BTDT Bert Sent from my iPhone > On 10 okt. 2014, at 19:01, "sdesalvo@frontiernet.net" wrote: > > I cannot stop brake fluid (silicone) from leaking out the top of the pressure failure switch. The fluid leaks into the cavity where the electrical pigtail connects to the wiring harness. I replaced the switch and it still leaks. Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Sam > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/palte@gmx.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 16:25:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8071E2580AFD for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D7E258049A for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141010222820.NUJX5235.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:28:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([72.199.157.107]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id 1aUK1p00H2KJoQg01aUKPy; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:28:19 -0400 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:17 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=9sIipnuWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Br7PWAmmDWp_aCA-T3oA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=__UPNXcvpMUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=v4+1TVkVnhocx6iSoA/Zcg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:28:16 -0700 From: David Ambrose User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <1V3H1p02j0NyJgq01V3Kic> Subject: Re: [Mgs] brake pressure failure switch '72 MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net You should never see brake fluid under that switch. Beneath the switch is a piston (Moss calls it a shuttle). There are o-rings on the piston which should seal it against brake fluid. You probably need to pull the whole thing and replace the o-rings, and the piston itself if it's corroded. You may need to hone the cylinder too. Moss sells a couple of repair kits for that unit. I have the o-rings and they work fine. I don't know whether the umbrella seals are worth the extra money, but if the o-rings depend on a swelling agent to seal, the umbrella seals would make sense. Cheers, Dave Ambrose On 10/10/2014 10:01 AM, sdesalvo@frontiernet.net wrote: > I cannot stop brake fluid (silicone) from leaking out the top of the pressure failure switch. The fluid leaks into the cavity where the electrical pigtail connects to the wiring harness. I replaced the switch and it still leaks. Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Sam > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/stargazer1@cox.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 18:37:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486D82584650 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC7F2580B03 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.227]) by resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2QaY1p0024ueUHc01Qasyo; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:34:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([69.137.98.208]) by resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Qar1p00G4Vlk3H01QarKl; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:34:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:34:37 -0500 From: Glenn Schnittke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: s=q20140121; t=1413160492; bh=mE3xsbH9fhOKr2xSYno0iqvrnF7SizCKdwkJNM7KU68=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=RD9Hf7RVa+zt//saNYh9jdBHWNNqrwhzw6vgE6PBTh04TG4jwdejBhDTN4yRO8hJh Hck87aweW7OtjlKmU3VWvnS4P/Mey6u0FA4R2KvHE4IdjjjJZLtf6t3j6RCtf+ZlCR 9vNG/x0pZO2YPzCyRnlzbNP2Vn6RHZtW3y6koGpbsSF/y3gdkMPNN0OyTN2GCmIKRT JvOsAWWC9oProj0MhUvJG3G0WMpuNFFlFdp+N9K4QNvOFzcYsikHP4QQnKL8f19Rm7 O1siG5oCUpPoHe22aj5uFt9yYjmXoiUDbE90bWMgyvrexk4KJtXjbB7xRHMNU+1UkI L61rERH24gNcw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 89, Issue 8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Inside the body of the five-way union that the switch threads into is a double ended piston. It is shaped like an hourglassand has an o-ring seal at either end. Each end of the body feeds either the front or the rear brakes. If there is a pressure failure in either the front or rear, that piston is going to move one way or the otherand set off the switch. If everything is working fine there will be equal pressure on both ends of the piston. If you have fluid at the center of the switch, the first step is to replace the o-rings, but check the walls of the body. The piston itself can wear, but the body walls should be as smooth as the walls of the master cylinder andthe slaves. The o-rings arenot special and you should be able to replace them from your local hardware storeif not an auto parts shop. Think plumbing and water valves. Your worst case scenario is replacing the union body. You didn't mention what year car you have. I assume from your description that it's a late chrome bumper car. On 10/10/2014 1:00 PM, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:01:22 -0700 > From:"sdesalvo@frontiernet.net" > To: mg list > Subject: [Mgs] brake pressure failure switch '72 MGB > Message-ID: > <1412960482.11829.YahooMailNeo@web161803.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I cannot stop brake fluid (silicone) from leaking out the top of the pressure failure switch. The fluid leaks into the cavity where the electrical pigtail connects to the wiring harness. I replaced the switch and it still leaks. Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Sam _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 13 13:43:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7645E25849AD for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BD02584989 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BedroomPC (ool-18beb49a.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.180.154]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NDE00GZTEXDUL10@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:46:29 -0400 From: John Di Fede To: mgs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac/nHgVgbVK60973QBKURW971XejxA== Subject: [Mgs] : brake pressure failure switch '72 MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sam, I had this happen on my 1973 MGB. You said you replaced the switch. Was the switch new? I fixed mine by rebuilding the switch with new rubber o rings. For what it is worth, I also use silicone brake fluid. John Di Fede "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right". Henry Ford --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 13 13:59:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E56825849C1 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.8]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AE92584989 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews21.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.187]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:02:49 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews21.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:02:49 +0200 Received: from HLaptopPC ([77.171.11.159]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:02:49 +0200 From: "Hans Duinhoven" To: "'John Di Fede'" , References: <008101cfe71e$620f51c0$262df540$@optonline.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:02:49 +0200 Thread-Index: AQHSMT7TUXsjAmp2F5Tt8t6bbr5CzZwp3l2Q Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[AA05CBB0:01CFE720] Subject: Re: [Mgs] : brake pressure failure switch '72 MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had a similar issue and replaced the o-rings with success as well. My problem is where can I obtain a new switch assembly. For over 10 years the local suppliers tell me, that the switch is NLA. Hope I can find one ever... Cheers, Hans 71 BGT -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens John Di Fede Verzonden: maandag 13 oktober 2014 21:46 Aan: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: [Mgs] : brake pressure failure switch '72 MGB Sam, I had this happen on my 1973 MGB. You said you replaced the switch. Was the switch new? I fixed mine by rebuilding the switch with new rubber o rings. For what it is worth, I also use silicone brake fluid. John Di Fede "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right". Henry Ford --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 20 15:45:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427902580930 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49412580032 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.10] (108-169-4-10.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9KLg16U012189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:42:02 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:41:56 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: Tires... Bah Thread-Index: Ac/srqtVjuVhCe5YYEOpd7kFdiIUgg== Subject: [Mgs] Tires... Bah Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Had a blowout on the freeway today, so I'm down one tire. There are several annoying aspects to this. 1. Tread was fine on all 4, but now I am going to have to buy 4 new tires, because... 2. ...this particular tire is no longer available (Sumitomo HTR 200). 3. Moreover, NO summer performance tire OF ANY BRAND is available in this size (175/70R-14), so I can't even mix axles if I wanted to (IMO it would be suicidal to mix summer hi-perf tires on one axle with an all-season tire on the other, at the beginning of the rainy season, when I'm temporarily down to one car). 4. The only tires available in 175/70-14 or 185/70-14 are all-season touring tires (i.e. minivan/econobox tires). Out of this extremely limited selection, does anyone have a recent recommendation? Treadwear is not a factor -- I don't think I've ever worn out a set of tires on the MG. Old age or road hazards have killed them first. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires And now GHN3U137949G (not going anywhere anytime soon) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 02:02:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C160258498E for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 02:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B0B2584932 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:57:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id 5k111p02Y4LtS4201k11Qs; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:01:01 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=SvHVQ5PGPll6FIQm6y4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:39:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tires... Bah Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I think you are being over-cautious not wanting to mix axles (if you could get any, that is), particularly with rain. As long as the ones with the best grip are on the rear you should be fine. Over 40 years ago when I first changed from crossply to radial I couldn't afford four, and it was really frustrating to put a pair on the back then wait until I could afford another pair for the front to get the full benefit. I'm surprised you don't have online specialists available to you. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > 3. Moreover, NO summer performance tire OF ANY BRAND is available in this > size (175/70R-14), so I can't even mix axles if I wanted to (IMO it would > be > suicidal to mix summer hi-perf tires on one axle with an all-season tire > on > the other, at the beginning of the rainy season, when I'm temporarily down > to one car). _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 06:33:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D060258499F for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [64.8.71.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA372580B51 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:22:53 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:17 a=AhRLOILGsKkA:10 a=QP5IY3kgAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=XfX5FXB7O-KO-Ok5bG4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=8jnFsrO0Ew1gaTxnxnIA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=zWq-vNNGanGclOzH:21 a=h2iXxT9cPBYAUMbPaTmFYw==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Authentication-Results: smtp01.wow.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=runner01; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [96.27.166.67] ([96.27.166.67:32667] helo=Asus) by smtp.mail.wowway.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.1.42806 r(Platform:3.6.1.1)) with ESMTPA id 22/8D-20184-1E056445; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:26:09 -0400 From: "Ray Graham" To: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:26:10 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/tKZerSLnEgpgOTxKIjL/G6YnVjg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Difficulty Shifting into 1st and Reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, I have been experiencing difficulty shifting my 1966 MGB into 1st and Reverse gears. Shifting into all other gears are fine, including down shifting. No hydraulic leaks, however, I replaced the brake master cylinder yesterday, fully bled the system. Didn't solve the problem. Seems to be worse the hotter the engine and longer it is driven. Wonder if the small hose feeding the slave cylinder could be defective? Appreciate the advice, Ray --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 07:50:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1332584C03 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A8A025849FA for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1413899624; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=GuDp4VcIAmTjCOIcu+YRYjAMObYY+N8XVMlakoKIddOuMQEmLLl1v9HeltozajR+e DjD8d8K/VpBWBApr01gGxMBgHT+wr61oQzIcqR8BODtaUv1zmHVCC0Yoa08YqVAKlT 2nmmBjMUm+3OiPp21aHmUtRrjk+xcxvagQj0+uCE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLEN3LSAUGNUD2 for (sender ); Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.13.201] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:52:40 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:52:40 GMT To: runner01@wowway.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Difficulty Shifting into 1st and Reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The hose is often a problem. While you are underneath the car, why not rebuild the slave cylinder too. It can leak/bypass internally without leaking fluid to the outside. Problem can worsen when engine and gearbox are warm, as the gears turn easier. If clutch is not releasing completely, its drag will turn these unsynchronised gears faster when they are warm. Same problem; it's just a bit worse when warm. Check that the bleed screw is in the upper hole. Hose and bleed screw will fit either hole, but hose should be in the lower hole in order that an air bubble is not trapped.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Ray Graham" To: Subject: [Mgs] Difficulty Shifting into 1st and Reverse Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:26:10 -0500 Folks, I have been experiencing difficulty shifting my 1966 MGB into 1st and Reverse gears. Shifting into all other gears are fine, including down shifting. No hydraulic leaks, however, I replaced the brake master cylinder yesterday, fully bled the system. Didn't solve the problem. Seems to be worse the hotter the engine and longer it is driven. Wonder if the small hose feeding the slave cylinder could be defective? Appreciate the advice, Ray --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbob@juno.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 08:50:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA792584C96 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD9925845EB for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id 5qje1p0414LtS4201qjeal; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:43:38 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=3LzMMGQgHSszsAsWhM8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Ray Graham" , References: <002301cfed2a$32828e60$9787ab20$@wowway.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:43:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Difficulty Shifting into 1st and Reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net If it's grinding when going into reverse then it's the clutch failing to fully disengage, which could be hydraulics or mechanical, and that should always be the first test. If it's grinding in reverse but in forward gears still engaging with the pedal at the normal position off the floor, then it's mechanical inside the bell-housing not hydraulic. Hydraulic problems i.e. air in the system will make it engage lower. If it's not grinding in reverse, just stiff to engage then it is mechanical with the gearbox. Lift the lever boot and check the lever isn't fouling the sides of the hole in the tunnel. If that's clear then it's do with the shift linkage or mechanism, unfortunately. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > I have been experiencing difficulty shifting my 1966 MGB into 1st and > Reverse gears. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 10:06:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DA62584D0F for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC4E25845BC for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:06:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.169.4.27] (108-169-4-27.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.27] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9LGA0hq008774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:10:03 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:58:24 -0700 From: Max Heim To: MG List Thread-Topic: [Mgs] Tires... Bah Thread-Index: Ac/tR9gJ5e7yPoEro0CkPR0lA1RVZw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tires... Bah Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm. The first time I hit a wet spot with these Sumitomos, I realized it was a whole different ball game. The problem is that the "best grip" would entirely depend on road conditions -- in a puddle, the "best grip" woud be the all season tire, but as soon as they dried off, it would be the summer tire. I don't think that would be a safe way to drive, unless I was just tootling around at 10 under the limit like Mr. Magoo. I can afford to buy four, I just hate to waste all that tread life, and I got used to the dry road traction. Now I have to go back to a compromise, just when it may never rain again around here. My frustration with the all season tires is that when you read the reviews, 90% of the reviewers live in the snow belt, drive Subarus, and all they talk about is snow and rain traction, or tread wear and road noise. That information is not germane, so the reviews and ratings are basically useless. So, what are you people using? Vredestein Sprints? By the time I get them shipped, they were running something like $150 apiece, IIRC. on 10/21/14 12:39 AM, PaulHunt73 at paulhunt73@virginmedia.com wrote: > I think you are being over-cautious not wanting to mix axles (if you could > get any, that is), particularly with rain. As long as the ones with the > best grip are on the rear you should be fine. Over 40 years ago when I > first changed from crossply to radial I couldn't afford four, and it was > really frustrating to put a pair on the back then wait until I could afford > another pair for the front to get the full benefit. I'm surprised you don't > have online specialists available to you. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> 3. Moreover, NO summer performance tire OF ANY BRAND is available in this >> size (175/70R-14), so I can't even mix axles if I wanted to (IMO it would >> be >> suicidal to mix summer hi-perf tires on one axle with an all-season tire >> on >> the other, at the beginning of the rainy season, when I'm temporarily down >> to one car). > -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires And now GHN3U137949G (not going anywhere anytime soon) _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 22 02:00:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F7B2584CFD for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 02:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849C325803FC for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id 67gS1p06S4LtS42017gSGM; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:40:27 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=CFaQbSEpXUkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=O_ZTzOvqGLie7oXIss4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Max Heim" , "MG List" References: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:18:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Tires... Bah Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net On a dry road the best grip would be slicks! Road tyres are always a compromise, that is why we drive to the road conditions ... I hope, leaving Mr Magoo well behind wet or dry. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Hmm. The first time I hit a wet spot with these Sumitomos, I realized it > was > a whole different ball game. The problem is that the "best grip" would > entirely depend on road conditions -- in a puddle, the "best grip" woud be > the all season tire, but as soon as they dried off, it would be the summer > tire. I don't think that would be a safe way to drive, unless I was just > tootling around at 10 under the limit like Mr. Magoo. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 17:16:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC792584ABA for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2E925806FD for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wm4so493745obc.34 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:03:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0NqMQ0s+2EAfo4vUZTXiadXmMJadZOuSY2sTnAe+TWI=; b=mzHalUAhShFDzH4O+paKITP293/pUCgjonvqFidmJh1WVQe2UYhDVAvoea0/y4vIQh V6gL+2pP9OTdH7xEu0rlCFHFGip10cu9fGkKyu5PA3Y9n4/2C9zauu6TZ36pdHBmysEX eHB/PafP8x7aAd5JgsuOGltsP+YucK0/PASFSWOdW+4hNckPzH6ssX39+fuPV15vxhzH xj+JX2FAL925Pb8v2sVRfXtiGjGSAkemHX2YeeVplRxwPS6tHpv3v8fsfr7pBtQDSbpd lNFbmSgU87cbZWemwAjVmpsEvlH1UYJuFA+uDVALyBgiUKfXXLys7e2r8GQ685z7QB5n +1Jw== x18mr2304533oia.50.1414278219447; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.236.232 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:03:39 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] DPO butchering of Alternator replacement? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '71 MGB-GT on which I am replacing the alternator. According to Moss Motors, the replacement only uses 2 pins of the 3-pin connector (the instructions are badly written, but this is what I understand from them). Looking at the existing installation, I see an alternator that has the new 3-pin setup. The wiring on this 3-pin setup has a thick brown wire (presumably the Positive wire) connected to one terminal, a medium brown wire (presumably the "A" wire) connected to another terminal and a thin brown/yellow wire (presumably the Indicator wire: "D") connected to the smallest terminal on the Alternator. Also hanging from the wiring harness is the old 3-pin connector, which has one wire still attached -- a thin brown/yellow wire. Was there ever an alternator in which the connection of these 3 wires would have been necessary? Is the connection of the medium brown wire just redundant, or could it be harmful? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 17:59:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C63D2584509 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:59:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E4F25807BA for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id wp18so1878672obc.30 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:33:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vN1Ww5xnuRRi7AxnNNKkhtUj1LKsCUkfRgkOpAubkrE=; b=xvEg0KRHrKLjx8rBP8zKTbIlbPT0hrxPgSocGmI20jfa8n2wfOtIwF6YgJicld2r0S lqbdqVepp/6ioZvCQW2uC9+CbvAVQwiDqkHgskE8t39zfch9g6TN1R1h7svI5hix8FaP bVTud4lX5LGQZIMZxdeSNfyh8O70k/ajpXinzwE8QXy/a8XE6j1fhgMs8nADROt3AwuX GuRcldwwf9rw6rC+fXEVvg2jCqRMqRJY+jLsLAhuAlYYg11OgSOv6nQQcEnZ2MSpJfgM rNYwao4dDOwLW8u6LBUSlM1SKHn3QjUD7bVCtlYA5/fBSFRMuRVmABcrjbUWg+Ia+e1k HQ1w== df11mr11861547oeb.20.1414279994994; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.236.232 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:33:14 -0700 From: Simon Matthews To: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] DPO butchering of Alternator replacement? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net A little more on this. I see 3 brown/yellow wires: 1. Connecting to the small pin (of the group of 3) on the alternator. 2. Attached to the old 3-pin connector (which is hanging loose, so not connected to anything) 3. Hanging loose. I assume that the two brown yellow wires that are not connected to anything are the loop described in the conversion instructions. Furthermore, after consulting the wiring diagram, I assume that the medium brown wire is the one that connects to the solenoid (along with the thick brown wire). So, perhaps this could be dangerous: if the thick brown wire became broken or disconnected, all the current out of the alternator would flow through a wire which is not capable of carrying the current without overheating. Simon On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > I have a '71 MGB-GT on which I am replacing the alternator. > > According to Moss Motors, the replacement only uses 2 pins of the > 3-pin connector (the instructions are badly written, but this is what > I understand from them). > > Looking at the existing installation, I see an alternator that has the > new 3-pin setup. The wiring on this 3-pin setup has a thick brown wire > (presumably the Positive wire) connected to one terminal, a medium > brown wire (presumably the "A" wire) connected to another terminal and > a thin brown/yellow wire (presumably the Indicator wire: "D") > connected to the smallest terminal on the Alternator. > > Also hanging from the wiring harness is the old 3-pin connector, which > has one wire still attached -- a thin brown/yellow wire. > > Was there ever an alternator in which the connection of these 3 wires > would have been necessary? Is the connection of the medium brown wire > just redundant, or could it be harmful? > > Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 18:31:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D218825849F7 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6607B25807BA for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:13:40 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1414282619; bh=AFchql6H2heYD+4T9WoWuJpBWMM0M4DFIDwSh3/KDCE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=DDIiAgKhdWMritceVUV6oDskaCNPUHUzgDOxIg1bbC8WNfjD3qKIk1FkH2Qnymp4uFJBnQn4MlpJVB5crv59Ov21o0Vkf0b7C9IReZJ/6QM/mdE5VCggPb1pCGV3EP7n70gO3lR5eQswG9WtgPH6V9OJTLaQMLe4SKM/Rv42G/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=gUUXPy+vJOQEQhv25cfWUK+eKP2BcenJQQ2zULx1L/PpOpCU6aM5Oku1izpKwjn3H5HzyvvSo17hBS52d2qd2U7nSpaanqY+c5fb6skMwDVkDc4e43fwEtHtNCgM4MB+z7U/LY6HBx3uM4fVfOvb2/xOLVoXekRqCrbei7g5HiE=; Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2014 00:16:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2014 00:16:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2014 00:16:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1414282619; bh=AFchql6H2heYD+4T9WoWuJpBWMM0M4DFIDwSh3/KDCE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O7MrSsBVIAnCk0S3rQB/cnVbuPfvi+sBH8oENHvhjQxMmKe2Q6+gUabuyNTRFhFP0WFT4njthLmgO6A6Mz0YPA/hQuYs0Fh3LWLgwGLCed/5aFNYs1XPMTmo/0t/StxrlM6+aHRRhzMFDLw1mFqpFgYdbTkmc3Ir6lnECm0f920= P0UFFq2RMq8uahw.q2kqihJSraPnyOAVym5j3PdUMSyGG30f1wI84wh62jyd x3itmM6QWA3UveSKhtT.D4N8vRLS4fSdd2zDAizJmiUWS8h_dtJXToYAHoVH nbZHymo6nWlTv2e.cvozl8DHlaOY_pWpqgoo5MknWtWHfYFTKMUZpmS.g3_L novSGUufX6WxiNFL0eM2VRTtc1pmvr2nXbXFJQlBfyc85e61Asqj7q9eAaCF cAudoEO34_0gkxtOY9jVRxSLXCdxfuECEGfKVeMOurVaxHOeJmZ__1hUGPHQ oOYNLBvZN3.7EKaqnpF5chRkWsXdTeD5b3DwQgm12FxfwWYcVf8RTBATYsjw lCBv.NLMjjbn885QODyanpMLEI8iFo612EtPs4URH2DRv6vFe1qzjcIB6Hb. fJGTQ9AbsrDtwAdQRXDy9oUdqzLGd8bWlia4jq3.3g4lzAdLHRvIvvL._AHP VodWP0PV_mZivWVThRCAvUXpjWtY7YDU.LwIKmfOedMWs Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:17:02 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] DPO butchering of Alternator replacement? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Simon, Did you get my original message? It went to just you. I can resend it if not. It should answer most of your questions. Charles Hill On 10/25/2014 6:33 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > A little more on this. I see 3 brown/yellow wires: > 1. Connecting to the small pin (of the group of 3) on the alternator. > 2. Attached to the old 3-pin connector (which is hanging loose, so not > connected to anything) > 3. Hanging loose. > > I assume that the two brown yellow wires that are not connected to > anything are the loop described in the conversion instructions. > Furthermore, after consulting the wiring diagram, I assume that the > medium brown wire is the one that connects to the solenoid (along with > the thick brown wire). So, perhaps this could be dangerous: if the > thick brown wire became broken or disconnected, all the current out of > the alternator would flow through a wire which is not capable of > carrying the current without overheating. > > Simon > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Simon Matthews > wrote: >> I have a '71 MGB-GT on which I am replacing the alternator. >> >> According to Moss Motors, the replacement only uses 2 pins of the >> 3-pin connector (the instructions are badly written, but this is what >> I understand from them). >> >> Looking at the existing installation, I see an alternator that has the >> new 3-pin setup. The wiring on this 3-pin setup has a thick brown wire >> (presumably the Positive wire) connected to one terminal, a medium >> brown wire (presumably the "A" wire) connected to another terminal and >> a thin brown/yellow wire (presumably the Indicator wire: "D") >> connected to the smallest terminal on the Alternator. >> >> Also hanging from the wiring harness is the old 3-pin connector, which >> has one wire still attached -- a thin brown/yellow wire. >> >> Was there ever an alternator in which the connection of these 3 wires >> would have been necessary? Is the connection of the medium brown wire >> just redundant, or could it be harmful? >> >> Any suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/chillmog@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 19:30:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6320D25846A6 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0DC25844CF for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 19:02:09 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1414285529; bh=m8T7RVL3OnRGtDmIIDUPQE5GNPCkn3/LrCJSJXSMbdU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=Em2RsoxlBJ0BgAVoZwt4tuKp25SCzcIZOOcUmyH4YxWSMHNJTgObB/orEssoTJLUe/GvXyJUo5kg+gzcJwOlX+seQbUmyCmkIDrfFnODF4YIJvSZpAb4rSPjEiMGnRC3q5VBNadoGK6aDbmK2tKDFFCyO3iKePDeHojFGPBdBuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=j/5Hqfj0v7GsK4T3pAdNZmE2DeVc3NH9AAFMIJ8wTrkCJ7CB90x2FVVr9m/QBTFar141dSI52SvZdXH+fsO/VdLPjVZBb3imuf0WT6LeABJE1NKDoU3LAVEtYfHqKC/+mUBk/OIwOEnOY8KecmjsRL/QPbOoWPfWxE1DAs09pS8=; Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2014 01:05:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.100] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2014 01:05:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2014 01:05:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1414285529; bh=m8T7RVL3OnRGtDmIIDUPQE5GNPCkn3/LrCJSJXSMbdU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Forwarded-Message-Id:Content-Type; b=GOYPb9FmpkJ37z47JgJFjSnWH6AjnywyqMP1Ynh+FgV8wY6EStX5bS0nn5TtlO/e4VB2a5jvZyOGO5xwPYjqRTJT1PIJ+n21hU2aA4LCUiHkMhIuS5umNLA7OKZZJfsvJYfyLhotIJ5pgKqRB13NjLXvSfr++7U8npQRzl5E4o0= WqklN3HfyImSzJYuk.AD8WLXPe3ywdn4FmWvwmPCG1AuzBqVAfiRea6lbc1z lIt0RCOYgWKmv_2cKEmPRdqxrA0SVKpA2akoKRzfGkAPLmAonTRLPK79IzI5 prC9skzAxVtTGkxxVkdlQH6GX9v0H1ajmNDUNG5pDnSqNfr8TuUBz_IJ9lbY ceW5B14FCwSk5YKWdSq.WrR0pQAH5tKWJYNE7W_X2Cz6EcJwgEGp_gamkx3r u5j3b8NavUhibQDXo14VDU9khfZXwMjf8iYlMgvJk8PoQxUaRBPFcZPmHEUG .Nppa8jLnrMoelq8nJ0L.d3MUIPTfU6y2XSgSKXlPF8UjK3IQfz859ZD_lWQ Ru1RAMahau3KRzBPvpM9MJEM1a9qdkAWUaeFt.opzzuEdDYx6LZ9mMS_GmN4 qqtiVA3O_.fnLgoGU.myoCWJhTiG_mppxjanwka4UyGdqRvvmoaa8O7xDpTK 1KBIcaNFhcz9eKM80V1AS1bL3koHSStFk9eaEK4qiQOAD2obT1ZF3AeI0SrU modjELrUR48MN7Zg8uBBwwa02zZAwbvX8xx7yB2mVrDD3dbMLx_ONl9_9hBz AaxYFp4btHJbbgMzrmv2.7YWApwXZhcQHunjjkNc3WDN.sGU- Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 20:05:32 -0500 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <544C34CC.2030101@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: Re: DPO butchering of Alternator replacement? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Here it is. It went to Simon only as I pushed the wrong button. Didn't mean to slight anyone. Charles Hill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mgs] DPO butchering of Alternator replacement? Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:39:56 -0500 From: Charles Hill To: Simon Matthews Simon, Not much on alternators - my car still has a generator. Here is a link to the 71 MGB wiring diagram. http://chicagolandmgclub.com/techtips/mgb/pdf/mgb_wd06.pdf It looks like the two brown wires on the original alternator are connected to the hot terminal on the starter solenoid. My guess that the two wires are a hold-over in the car's wiring from the days of external regulators. Most alternators now have an internal regulator and the second smaller brown wire is not necessary. Keep the small brown/yellow wire for the charge light. Charles Hill On 10/25/2014 6:03 PM, Simon Matthews wrote: > I have a '71 MGB-GT on which I am replacing the alternator. > > According to Moss Motors, the replacement only uses 2 pins of the > 3-pin connector (the instructions are badly written, but this is what > I understand from them). > > Looking at the existing installation, I see an alternator that has the > new 3-pin setup. The wiring on this 3-pin setup has a thick brown wire > (presumably the Positive wire) connected to one terminal, a medium > brown wire (presumably the "A" wire) connected to another terminal and > a thin brown/yellow wire (presumably the Indicator wire: "D") > connected to the smallest terminal on the Alternator. > > Also hanging from the wiring harness is the old 3-pin connector, which > has one wire still attached -- a thin brown/yellow wire. > > Was there ever an alternator in which the connection of these 3 wires > would have been necessary? Is the connection of the medium brown wire > just redundant, or could it be harmful? > > Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 26 09:47:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E4725846B4 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506D825845BD for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id 7rMA1p06G4LtS4201rMAEU; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:21:11 +0000 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:117 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=A3ZzlO0BItu8nOF2uoMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 From: "PaulHunt73" To: "Simon Matthews" , "MGS" References: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:22:15 -0000 Subject: Re: [Mgs] DPO butchering of Alternator replacement? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The first internally regulated alternators (16ACR 69-71) used two plugs to connect to four terminals - the main charging terminal, a battery voltage sensing terminal used to control the regulator - both brown that went to the battery cable on the solenoid, and two terminals that the ignition warning light - brown/yellow, was connected to. This last went to one terminal in each plug and I suspect was a way of protecting the alternator should one of the plugs fall out. On the face of it both brown wires would be at the same voltage as they went to the same place, so in theory voltage regulation could be done by a simple internal connection inside the alternator. But under high current conditions there will always be a volt-drop in the main charging wire from the alternator to the solenoid, which will result in a lower voltage at the solenoid than is being output by the alternator. Battery sensing uses the voltage at the solenoid to control the regulator, which ensures that the required voltage exists at the solenoid at least, even though that resulted in a higher voltage at the alternator output terminal. The next alternators (also 16ACR 1972) used a three-pin plug with one large spade for the charging wire which went to the solenoid, a standard-sized terminal for the brown/yellow indicator wire, and a third terminal of a different shape or size for the battery sensing wire which also went to the solenoid. Subsequently this alternator was modified to have the regulator sensing wire connected internally to the output wire, and these are machine sensing instead of battery sensing. The same 3-pin plug was used, I don't know what the third terminal was like. The next variant was the 17ACR (73-76) which used the same three pin plug but seems to have reverted to battery sensing again, possibly because of low voltage at the solenoid. The final variant was the 18ACR which reverted yet again to machine sensing, using the same 3-pin plug but now had two large output terminals plus the indicator terminal, and two thick brown output cables from the alternator to the solenoid, and up to a splitter by the firewall. Two output cables halved the volt-drop under high current conditions. 73-76 i.e. battery sensing wiring is directly compatible with the later machine sensing alternators with the two large output terminals, the thinner brown wire just acts as an additional output wire, which reduces volt-drop a little. The same can be said of the earlier four-pin, two plug alternators if at least the thick brown and the correct brown/yellow are connected to the plug. The thinner brown can be connected to the spare output terminal for additional current carrying capacity, if not it must be carefully insulated and not allowed to come into contact with anything, unless it is detached from the solenoid and securely taped back. The brown/yellow that comes from the warning light should be identified and the remaining two taped back out of the way. If the two brown/yellows are left connected together then that should be safely insulated and the single brown/yellow used for the plug, or vive-versa. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- >A little more on this. I see 3 brown/yellow wires: > 1. Connecting to the small pin (of the group of 3) on the alternator. > 2. Attached to the old 3-pin connector (which is hanging loose, so not > connected to anything) > 3. Hanging loose. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net