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Subject: [Mgs] MGA Master Cylinder rebuild Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:43:03 -0500 I am having a heck of a time getting the primary piston cup onto the mas= ter cylinder piston on my MGA 1600 with a "high-hat" Lockheed master cyl= inder. I have soaked the cup in brake fluid and lubed the piston in bra= ke fluid as well. I even tried stretching the piston cup with long nose= pliers. No luck. I did get one on after an hour or so of hit an miss = trying. The clutch side is proving more problematic. Does anyone have s= ome helpful tricks of the trade? = (Anyone want to know how far a primary piston cup will fly when shot of= f a piston, or how bruised the end of a person's thumbs can get?) -- = Robert Guinness ----__JWM__J22d46cc1.75cd7d4bS.1b86bda3M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Astronomers frequently see those primary piston cups in= low earth orbit, accompanied by MGB rear brake cylinder circlips.

I know of no trick that will ease them onto the piston. Perh= aps a soaking in the fluid for 24 hours would help.

Good= luck.

Bob

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From: "Robert J. Guinness via Mgs" <mgs@autox.team.net>To: MG List <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Master Cy= linder rebuild
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:43:03 -0500

I am havi= ng a heck of a time getting the primary piston cup onto the master cylin= der piston on my MGA 1600 with a "high-hat" Lockheed master cylinder.&nb= sp; I have soaked the cup in brake fluid and lubed the piston in brake f= luid as well. I even tried stretching the piston cup with long nos= e pliers. No luck. I did get one on after an hour or so of h= it an miss trying. The clutch side is proving more problematic. Do= es anyone have some helpful tricks of the trade?

(Anyone want t= o know how far a primary piston cup will fly when shot off a piston, or = how bruised the end of a person's thumbs can get?)

Robert Guinness

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--------------080005050901000206040503-- --===============0240781913362507248== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0240781913362507248==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 4 16:29:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A122585A62 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 16:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CC8DE2580606 for ; Mon, 4 May 2015 16:26:19 -0600 (MDT) t=1430778757; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=aDAZhkSMNvW0AmNQ3zSEdmtyNcTbRuvrg/tZAp9XKWURwJUNMA1uqYxtwH3Fa2SvN m4LHRQGbEv0ejjcCSTKrTvnktnTJ8Wqr2LQsm4Df5aafy4cEdxdqTt4QzsAIL15gDB BeVPQH6M7DsPvq4FMn/TXVpuENPAgjkdKPJdKHvA= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLWR65YAUTM5LS for (sender ); Mon, 4 May 2015 15:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.19.232] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 4 May 2015 22:31:13 GMT Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 22:31:13 GMT To: guinness@stclegal.com Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Gunson Eezibleed for the MGA From: mgbob--- via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4874595678229808874== ----__JWM__J493a51b2.74f6a267S.1a2f0beaM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Bob, Mike Adler, when he restored his AH 3000, found that the Gunson= caps did not fit his MC. His solution was to drill another MC cap, tap= and nut the Gunson tube for it, then proceed per instructions. Later,= he worked up a divided hydraulic system from Healey Club info that used= , I believe, a Fiat MC with separate proportioning valve. A Gunson cap = fit the Fiat MC. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Robert J. Guinness via Mgs" To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] Gunson Eezibleed for the MGA Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 14:19:13 -0500 I recently bought a Gunson Eezibleed power brake bleeder that was descri= bed for use with "eurpoean cars". It came with three caps, none of whic= h fit the MGA master cylinder. Has anyone bought one of these bleeders = that came with a cap that fit the MGA, or do you need to may your own ad= apatation? If an adapation is needed, what is the best way to do it? -- = Robert Guinness ----__JWM__J493a51b2.74f6a267S.1a2f0beaM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Hi Bob,

Mike Adler, when he restored his AH = 3000, found that the Gunson caps did not fit his MC. His solution = was to drill another MC cap, tap and nut the Gunson tube for it, then pr= oceed per instructions.

Later, he worked up a div= ided hydraulic system from Healey Club info that used, I believe, a Fiat= MC with separate proportioning valve. A Gunson cap fit the Fiat M= C.

Bob

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From: "Robert J. Guinness via Mgs" <mgs@autox.team.net>
= To: MG List <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] Gunson Eeziblee= d for the MGA
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 14:19:13 -0500

I recently= bought a Gunson Eezibleed power brake bleeder that was described for us= e with "eurpoean cars". It came with three caps, none of which fit= the MGA master cylinder. Has anyone bought one of these bleeders = that came with a cap that fit the MGA, or do you need to may your own ad= apatation? If an adapation is needed, what is the best way to do i= t?

Robert Guinness

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Of course the one I bought was 15 years ago, but yes, it came with= a whole assortment of caps, including for my MGA. I know that they s= topped selling them with all caps sometime after that. If you visit <= a href=3D"http://www.lbcarco.com,">www.lbcarco.com, they can get you th= e correct cap or the correct 'set' for Brit cars.

<= div>HTH

Gordie

'62 MGA

couple of = old European cars.

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=20 =20 =20 =20 I recently bought a Gunson Eezibleed power brake bleeder that was described for use with "eurpoean cars". It came with three caps, none of which fit the MGA master cylinder. Has anyone bought one = of these bleeders that came with a cap that fit the MGA, or do you need to may your own adapatation? If an adapation is needed, what is t= he best way to do it?

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I've just discovered that outside circlip pliers = make fitting=20 MGB rear cylinder E-clips an absolute doddle. I've only = got=20 straights, angled would be even easier.

Incidentally, which way round do you all fit=20 them?

PaulH.

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Astronomers frequently see those primary piston cups in low = earth=20 orbit, accompanied by MGB rear brake cylinder circlips.

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--------------010306080708020803000300-- --===============1276972345679626663== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1276972345679626663==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 19:00:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E10B25865B7 for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 19:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73BF2585EEE for ; Wed, 6 May 2015 18:50:02 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=eC3Tsik7ES53WPA5ANYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Dj7YgxdmEgoA:10 a=4HUIz_WeXCUA:10 a=YsxszkRuQUQA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:53740] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 1E/7F-16274-638BA455; Wed, 06 May 2015 20:56:22 -0400 To: , References: Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 20:50:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA Master Cylinders From: Eric J Russell via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there any difference between the MGA 1500 and 1600 master cylinders > other than the cover (flat on the 1500 and "high hat" on the 1600)? In > other words, can I take a good 1500 master cylinder and put a 1600 "high > hat" reservoir cover on it for installation in a 1600? No. Yes. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 07:58:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB4E2587643 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 07:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A924625805B6 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 07:52:04 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprynet.com; b=ot5wBrOsgA+d9uKwQus932Gm8k17qtCRYq08+gilD0NG66+UhQUBzgvb8/M8GE08; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.127.146.26] (helo=nHP) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1YqMJk-0006Hl-UB for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 09:58:25 -0400 To: "MG Digest" Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 09:58:25 -0400 Thread-Index: AdCIzULLpGCd9bo/Sr2dE5aiAJuSVw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Test From: Norm via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7271787460977507721== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0084_01D088AC.5C8BC280" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01D088AC.5C8BC280 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I keep getting Digests. But, have not been able to post anything. Those emails either get stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't be delivered. Here's what I get: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Coarse-thread MGB Winged Knock-offs For Sale Sent: 5/5/2015 9:20 AM The following recipient(s) cannot be reached: 'mgs@autox.team.net' on 5/5/2015 9:20 AM 550 Authentication required. Help at http://www.earthlink.net/go/emailsettings Clicking on the link in the last line gets: Not Found The requested URL /articles/email/authenticated-smtp-using-earthlinks-authenticated-mail-serve r-to-send-mail.php was not found on this server. So, I'm stuck. Norm ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01D088AC.5C8BC280 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I keep getting Digests. But, have not been able to post = anything. Those emails = either get stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't be = delivered.

Here's what I get:
Your message did not = reach some or all of the intended recipients.
<= /p>
      = Subject:    = Coarse-thread MGB Winged Knock-offs For = Sale
      = Sent: 5/5/2015 9:20 = AM
<= /p>
The following = recipient(s) cannot be reached:
<= /p>
      = 'mgs@autox.team.net' on 5/5/2015 9:20 AM
       &nbs= p;    550 Authentication required. Help at http://www.earthlink.n= et/go/emailsettings

Clicking on = the link in the last line gets:
Not = Found
The requested URL = /articles/email/authenticated-smtp-using-earthlinks-authenticated-mail-se= rver-to-send-mail.php was not found on this = server.
So, I'm = stuck.

Norm

------=_NextPart_000_0084_01D088AC.5C8BC280-- --===============7271787460977507721== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7271787460977507721==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 08:12:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D252587603 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 08:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCB32585CF2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 08:02:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp14-2-44-224.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO ericcontantsmbp.fritz.box) ([14.2.44.224]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 07 May 2015 23:38:34 +0930 Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 23:38:30 +0930 References: <008301d088cd$e39d6280$aad82780$@com> To: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] Test From: Eric via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1046661643027416535== --Apple-Mail=_F51A039F-C2AE-43D1-BBAB-9B7E71D61547 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 > On 7 May 2015, at 11:28 pm, Norm via Mgs wrote: >=20 > I keep getting Digests. But, have not been able to post anything. = Those emails either get stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't = be delivered. > =20 Well=E2=80=A6. this one worked :) Eric --Apple-Mail=_F51A039F-C2AE-43D1-BBAB-9B7E71D61547 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8
On 7 May 2015, at 11:28 pm, Norm via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

I keep = getting Digests.  But, have not been = able to post anything.  Those emails either = get stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't be delivered.

Well=E2=80=A6. this one worked :)

Eric

= --Apple-Mail=_F51A039F-C2AE-43D1-BBAB-9B7E71D61547-- --===============1046661643027416535== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1046661643027416535==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 08:43:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352792587630 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 08:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFBC258020D for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 08:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id R2U61q00B4LtS42012U6Ea; Thu, 07 May 2015 15:28:06 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=MXNwhywGQuVknsSAC60A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=vAsnpfNQg6P9I9DaTZ4A:9 a=yZvOhtIkgQkhsrPm:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=6UIaq3Bcl8oA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "Norm" , "MG Digest" References: <008301d088cd$e39d6280$aad82780$@com> Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 15:27:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Test From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8909532445055948392== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0108_01D088DA.577A3820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01D088DA.577A3820 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, this one arrived, so you must be doing something different with = your failed posts compared to this. I get the same error message when I = click that link. 'mgs@autox.team.net' is correct as far as I can see. ----- Original Message -----=20 I keep getting Digests. But, have not been able to post anything. = Those emails either get stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't = be delivered. =20 Here's what I get: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01D088DA.577A3820 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, this one arrived, so you must be doing = something=20 different with your failed posts compared to this. I get the same = error=20 message when I click that link. 'mgs@autox.team.net' is correct as far as I can = see.

----- Original Message -----

I keep getting Digests. But, have not been able to = post=20 anything. Those emails = either get=20 stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't be = delivered.

Here's what I get:
Your=20 message did not reach some or all of the intended=20 recipients.

------=_NextPart_000_0108_01D088DA.577A3820-- --===============8909532445055948392== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8909532445055948392==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 09:13:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C172587706 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 09:13:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967762584493 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 09:04:40 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprynet.com; b=HMQ7DB/wrkqfnUW1Rnyg5u/qHqTI55LKT+7JRLSQprEXyoDEz7uH838Foy2cghst; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.127.146.26] (helo=nHP) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1YqNS0-0003Gs-7c for mgs@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 11:11:00 -0400 To: "MG Digest" Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 11:11:01 -0400 Thread-Index: AdCI2Acum2SqrH+RQf+CY/agDijqSA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] MGB Parts That Are No Longer Needed From: Norm via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7172637593405208669== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01D088B6.808EC510" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D088B6.808EC510 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Some of you may remember me as a regular poster on this Digest during the many years I had my last two MGBs. Now, as we look to scale down from a too-big house, I'm finding some MGB parts. Here are some: 1 - I have a set of like-new coarse-thread winged knock-offs from the MGB I sold 9 years ago that I will be putting on eBay in a couple of days. I only had them a few years before selling and only used for shows. In great condition. Would pass muster at any regional show. They fit: MGB, Big Healeys, Triumphs. Remember, coarse thread only. That's 8 threads per inch. 2 - Top Bows for an early MGB. They are for the Stow-away top. A decent finish on them. Only thing wrong is that one of the snaps is held on by a screw versus a rivet. Other than that they are an "8" versus a brand-new set's "10". 3 - MGB Timing Chain - also for Spridget 948 - 1098. 4 - a collection of used MGB parts like a valve cover with cap, carb heat shield, rocker assembly, Michelin tubes (2), K&N air filter element E-3320 with two tops & no base, Velocity stacks for SU's - 1-1/4" mid-rise, & 1-3/4" stubbies that could be for 45 DCOE Webers, 1-3/4" dia. SuperTrapp tip, new/unused NAPA Transmission Oil Cooler (Hayden) #1-4822, some out-dated racing harnesses (red & blue) one of which can be re-webbed. If any of you are interested in buying before I list the first two on eBay, let me know ASAP. Email & I'll send pics. The rest will go locally. Thanks for your help over the years. Cheers, Norm ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D088B6.808EC510 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,

Some of you = may remember me as a regular poster on this Digest during the many years = I had my last two MGBs. = Now, as we look to scale down from a too-big house, I'm finding = some MGB parts.

Here are = some:

1 - I have a set of like-new coarse-thread winged = knock-offs from the MGB I sold 9 years ago that I will be putting on = eBay in a couple of days.

I only had = them a few years before selling and only used for shows. In great condition. Would pass muster at any = regional show.

They fit: = MGB, Big Healeys, Triumphs. = Remember, coarse thread only. That's 8 threads per = inch.

2 - Top Bows for an early MGB. They are for the Stow-away = top. A decent finish on = them. Only thing wrong is = that one of the snaps is held on by a screw versus a rivet. Other than that they are an = "8" versus a brand-new set's "10".

3 - MGB = Timing Chain - also for Spridget 948 - 1098.

4 - a = collection of used MGB parts like a valve cover with cap, carb heat = shield, rocker assembly, Michelin tubes (2), K&N air filter element = E-3320 with two tops & no base, Velocity stacks for SU's - = 1-1/4" mid-rise, & 1-3/4" stubbies that could be for 45 = DCOE Webers, 1-3/4" dia. SuperTrapp tip, new/unused NAPA = Transmission Oil Cooler (Hayden) #1-4822, some out-dated racing = harnesses (red & blue) one of which can be = re-webbed.

If any of you are interested in buying before I list = the first two on eBay, let me know ASAP. Email & I'll send = pics. The rest will go = locally.

Thanks for your help over the years.

Cheers,

Norm

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D088B6.808EC510-- --===============7172637593405208669== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7172637593405208669==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 7 11:44:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466822587733 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 11:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-05-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.60]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4977825809E0 for ; Thu, 7 May 2015 11:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.116]) by p3plwbeout06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id R5qG1q0042Wr24H015qGfZ; Thu, 07 May 2015 10:50:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 2370 invoked by uid 99); 7 May 2015 17:50:16 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.14.0 To: "Norm" , "MG Digest" Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 10:50:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Test From: dcouncill--- via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5671560785715570064== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to be an administrator for a university email system so I = have dealt a fair bit with failed delivery notices. This one would indicate= that you send your email to earthlink (as your smtp mail server in your em= ail client settings). And typical of many smtp servers, authentication is r= equired to send email. I have had to deal with earthlink issues many times = even though it was not part of my job although I did some contract work for= them, which I hated but they paid well. Anyway, that is where the problem = lies - in your email client settings and/or earthlink itself, an issue for = earthlink support if they provide support.

David C= ouncill
64 MGB
67 MGBGT
72 MGB

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=0A--------= Original Message --------
=0ASubject: [Mgs] Test
=0AFrom: Norm via M= gs <mgs@autox.team.net>
= =0ADate: Thu, May 07, 2015 6:58 am
=0ATo: "MG Digest" <mgs@autox.team.net>
=0A
=0A
I keep getting Digests= . But, have not been able to = post anything. Those emails e= ither get stuck in my Outbox or I get a message they can't be delivered.
= ;
Here's what= I get:
Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.<= /o:p>

      Subject:    Coarse-= thread MGB Winged Knock-offs For Sale
&n= bsp;     Sent: <= /span>5/5/2015 9:20 AM

The following recipient(s) cannot be reached:

  &= nbsp;   'mgs@autox.t= eam.net' on 5/5/2015 9:20 AM
          = 550 Authentication required. Help at http://www.earthlink.net/go= /emailsettings

Clicking on the link in the last line gets:
Not Found
The= requested URL /articles/email/authenticated-smtp-using-earthlinks-authenti= cated-mail-server-to-send-mail.php was not found on this server.=
So, I'm stu= ck.

Norm<= o:p>
&nb= sp;
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--===============5671560785715570064== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5671560785715570064==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 10 18:51:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1230F25853B7 for ; Sun, 10 May 2015 18:51:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E18525849D9; Sun, 10 May 2015 18:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C158D2C00F2; Sun, 10 May 2015 18:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 18:57:05 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 To: mgs , MG References: <55296B21.1010708@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mg-t] A couple of dozen From: Mark J Bradakis via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Been a few weeks, but I am getting around to sending thank you notes to those who sent in contributions for this non-fund drive, since I didn't actually request donations. But a lot of people really enjoy what Team.Net provides and are willing to support it financially. Just paid the ISP bill, so it was on my mind. Recently a production release of Mailman 3.0 was made available. I'll be doing some testing and plan to switch within a month or so. So far it looks like it should offer some benefits over the current version of Mailman which powers these lists. Stay tuned for updates on that front. Actually there is still a person who emails me occasionally wondering why majordomo doesn't work. Majordomo? You mean the list management software that was retired years ago? Some people have attention issues. Anyway, stay tuned for updates coming in the near future. mjb. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 15:27:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6962584861 for ; Thu, 14 May 2015 15:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C843258455C for ; Thu, 14 May 2015 15:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.170.144.91] ([173.170.144.91:55014] helo=[192.168.0.5]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 60/8E-09892-EB415555; Thu, 14 May 2015 21:33:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:33:51 -0400 To: MGList List Subject: [Mgs] Advance curve for MGA 1500 From: "W. David Houser via Mgs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net TGlzdGVycywKQW55b25lIGhhdmUgdGhlIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIG9yIGEgd2Vic2l0ZSB3aGVyZSBh IGZyaWVuZCBjYW4gZmluZCB0aGlzIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uPwpTZWVtcyB0byBtZSBpdCBzaG91bGQg YmUgcHVibGlzaGVkIHNvbWV3aGVyZeKApi4KTXkgZnJpZW5kIGlzIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9y4oCmLi4i dGhlIGFkdmFuY2UgY3VydmUgZm9yIHRoZSAxNTAwLCBiZSBhYmxlIHRvIGZpZ3VyZSBvdXQgdGhl IHNwcmluZyBmb3JjZSBuZWVkZWQgdG8gcmVzdHJhaW4gdGhlIG1lY2hhbmlzbSBhdCBhbnkgZ2l2 ZW4gYW5ndWxhciBzaGlmdC7igJ0KSGUgaGFzIG5vdCBiZWVuIGFibGUgdG8gZmluZCBzcHJpbmdz IGZvciBzYW1lIGF0IGEgcmVhc29uYWJsZSBwcmljZSBhbmQgaXMgYXR0ZW1wdGluZyB0byBtYWtl IGhpcyBvd24hCkNhbiBhbnlvbmUgaGVscD8KQ2hlZXJzIGluIGFkdmFuY2UsCkRhdmUgSG91c2Vy Cl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpNZ3NAYXV0 b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dl c3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi43NQpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0 L2FyY2hpdmUKRm9ydW1zOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2ZvcnVtcwpVbnN1YnNjcmliZTog aHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4vb3B0aW9ucy9tZ3MvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVh bS5uZXQK From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 15 01:46:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF7E258085E for ; Fri, 15 May 2015 01:46:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B1F2580104 for ; Fri, 15 May 2015 01:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id U7st1q00R4LtS42017stlZ; Fri, 15 May 2015 08:52:53 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=_hMgXzCpAAAA:8 a=M0AO9l9QAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=XWJfINLMnbyIWmBMulQA:9 a=G00SCsfX7XxUNpEc:21 a=K2yXuEV2TSWfhLxQ:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 To: "W. 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I reset them so that the gauge was snug - it slid in but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know that it makes a difference on performance and full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while hot. TIA, Clayton ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01D0908F.0E005410 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I found the = old settings rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug = – it slid in but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know = that it makes a difference on performance and full combustion. Yes, I = did the checking while hot.

TIA,

Clayton
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01D0908F.0E005410-- --===============0796487815458168875== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0796487815458168875==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 17 19:31:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C4C2585778 for ; Sun, 17 May 2015 19:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDFF2585642 for ; Sun, 17 May 2015 19:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BedroomPC (ool-18beb49a.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.180.154]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NOI009PQV64VVD0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 May 2015 21:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 21:37:18 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AdCRClW/TaYYYjg7Scet2qxHv4QjXw== Subject: [Mgs] tappet question (Clayton Kirkwood From: John Di Fede via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Clayton, When set properly, he feeler gauge should be snug and yet able to slide between the valve stem the rocker arm without binding. Setting the clearance too tight may prevent the valve from closing completely, too loose and the valve will not open completely. I think a SLIGHT tapping nose in the valve train is OK. John DIFede 1973 MGB When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I found the old settings rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug - it slid in but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know that it makes a difference on performance and full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while hot. TIA, Clayton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs ------------------------------ End of Mgs Digest, Vol 96, Issue 7 ********************************** --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 01:36:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3362584F5C for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 01:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCA725809BD for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 01:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id VKiT1q00B4LtS4201KiTLD; Mon, 18 May 2015 08:42:27 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=_0J8QwbfHbd724AbjMIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=UImKQybILO5O0NbqG_gA:9 a=UzRg1klfqbXTdbSZ:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , , References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 08:25:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8198548488878429202== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D09144.22023CC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D09144.22023CC0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Depends on the figure you used. Workshop Manual quotes 15 thou, cold. = I don't like hot as the engine is continually cooling while I'm doing = it. I use 14 thou which is loose and 16 thou which is lightly pinched = so I can get a better feel for it as I only check them very rarely. As = far as I know it really only makes a difference if the engine gets so = hot that the gaps close up and you get combustion seepage past not quite = closed valves, which burns them. Any loss of performance is only = secondary. In the early years not only did I find I was adjusting them every year, = sometimes opening them and sometimes closing them, but also getting = repeatable gaps from one turn of the engine to the next was a problem. = Then I discovered that at the strict rule of nine (RON) points, several = of the valves were still changing gap. Some of them had the biggest gap = before RON and some after. Since discovering that perhaps 15 years or = go or more I've never had to alter them until I changed the head gasket = last year, so hadn't been checking tem every year anyway. PaulH ----- Original Message -----=20 When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I found the old settings = rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug - it slid in but = it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know that it makes a difference = on performance and full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while hot. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D09144.22023CC0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Depends on the figure you used. Workshop = Manual quotes=20 15 thou, cold. I don't like hot as the engine is continually = cooling while=20 I'm doing it. I use 14 thou which is loose and 16 thou which=20 is lightly pinched so I can get a better feel for it as I only = check=20 them very rarely. As far as I know it really only makes a = difference if=20 the engine gets so hot that the gaps close up and you get combustion = seepage=20 past not quite closed valves, which burns them. Any loss of=20 performance is only secondary.

In the early years not only did I find I was = adjusting them=20 every year, sometimes opening them and sometimes closing them, but = also=20 getting repeatable gaps from one turn of the engine to the next was a=20 problem. Then I discovered that at the strict rule of nine (RON) = points,=20 several of the valves were still changing gap. Some of them had = the=20 biggest gap before RON and some after. Since discovering that = perhaps 15=20 years or go or more I've never had to alter them until I changed the = head gasket=20 last year, so hadn't been checking tem every year anyway.

PaulH

----- Original Message -----

When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I = found the old=20 settings rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug =96 it = slid in=20 but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know that it makes a = difference=20 on performance and full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while=20 hot.
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D09144.22023CC0-- --===============8198548488878429202== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8198548488878429202==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 08:18:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A906B25858B9 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 08:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0114.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.111.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B225850E4 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 08:18:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CO2PR07MB524.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.198.154) by CO2PR07MB524.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.198.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.166.22; Mon, 18 May 2015 14:24:44 +0000 Received: from CO2PR07MB524.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.198.154]) by CO2PR07MB524.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.198.154]) with mapi id 15.01.0166.017; Mon, 18 May 2015 14:24:44 +0000 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Thread-Topic: [Mgs] tappet question Noisy Thread-Index: AQHQkXZi/rH9ieWHVUWpxce9pVBuCA== Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:24:43 +0000 References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <50DFC634-462B-42A8-8D39-4B4C1A212396@ur.rochester.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=paul@ece.rochester.edu; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-originating-ip: [128.151.164.150] x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO2PR07MB524; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:CO2PR07MB524; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CO2PR07MB524; x-forefront-prvs: 058043A388 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(199003)(189002)(99286002)(92566002)(75432002)(19580405001)(82746002)(83716003)(102836002)(105586002)(2900100001)(40100003)(87936001)(2950100001)(33656002)(16236675004)(2656002)(101416001)(5001830100001)(4001540100001)(110136002)(5001960100002)(107886002)(81156007)(97736004)(5001860100001)(122556002)(189998001)(86362001)(64706001)(46102003)(77156002)(19580395003)(62966003)(68736005)(88552001)(77096005)(89122001)(54356999)(66066001)(76176999)(50986999)(106116001)(450100001)(106356001)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CO2PR07MB524; H:CO2PR07MB524.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ece.rochester.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question Noisy From: "Osborne, Paul via Mgs" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3381500174404079708== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_41E51FBA48654961A6DD3B7B7B72191Aurrochesteredu_" --_000_41E51FBA48654961A6DD3B7B7B72191Aurrochesteredu_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since we are on this thread, I have heard a good number of engines that are= quiet as a mouse and no valve train noise. The engine now in my GT the ar= e just down right noisy. Tried tighter, tried looser , with no effect .Usin= g VR-1 oil with a NAPA filter , engine has a bout 35000 miles on it. good= oil pres.. Any ideas??? paul Paul Osborne Department of Electrical and Computer Eng University of Rochester 201 Hopeman Build RC Rochester NY 14627 585-275-5226 --_000_41E51FBA48654961A6DD3B7B7B72191Aurrochesteredu_ Content-ID: <2CEAA0D2D8E2BC468DBAC7C40B1A5C23@namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since we are on this thread, I have heard a good number of engines that are= quiet as a mouse and no valve train noise. The engine now in my GT t= he are just down right noisy. Tried tighter, tried looser , with no effect = .Using VR-1 oil with a NAPA filter , engine has a bout 35000 miles on it. good oil pres.. Any ide= as???

paul

Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester
201 Hopeman Build RC
Rochester NY 14627

585-275-5= 226

--_000_41E51FBA48654961A6DD3B7B7B72191Aurrochesteredu_-- --===============3381500174404079708== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3381500174404079708==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 08:22:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE282585183 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 08:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from rs5.netinteraction.com (rs5.netinteraction.com [162.209.73.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6259F2580BA6 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 08:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (unknown [10.176.143.184]) by rs5.netinteraction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DA6C13D7; Mon, 18 May 2015 14:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id A2651F44ADA; Mon, 18 May 2015 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fn-VmbpX+zpO; Mon, 18 May 2015 07:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-219.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.219]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 8B8F7F44AD8; Mon, 18 May 2015 07:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:28:43 -0500 To: crk@godblessthe.us,, References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Peter Caldwell via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I recommend the go no-go method. If you want 15, = then use a 14 and a 16. 14 fits, 16 doesn't, then = you have 15. Takes the feel out of feeler gauge. Peter C -- >When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I = >found the old settings rather sloppy. I reset = >them so that the gauge was snug =96 it slid in but = >it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know = >that it makes a difference on performance and = >full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while hot. > >TIA, > >Clayton _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 09:15:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B4E2585AEF for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 09:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6035D258519F for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 09:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.2] ([75.91.226.95]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id VTLi1q00c247Yn701TLjXd; Mon, 18 May 2015 11:20:43 -0400 a=ZUEwZ7THDWDov3c5Qe3FdQ==:117 a=ZUEwZ7THDWDov3c5Qe3FdQ==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=naziTCeN6agA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=z1mzhX7Lu4KxDS_RlV0A:9 a=zjiTF_y8ywEMK_yr:21 a=zNG75Rs_pXUCAiKl:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=ltQtFy8ac5sA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7wvT001N-f87Fn6mRUoA:9 a=mNw8d3m67fPtps_r:21 a=t57Ewtnu7hHR5UPh:21 a=a0iW1uQ3A-OSZdso:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:20:40 -0500 Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 To: "Osborne, Paul" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <50DFC634-462B-42A8-8D39-4B4C1A212396@ur.rochester.edu> <41E51FBA-4865-4961-A6DD-3B7B7B72191A@ur.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question Noisy From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2163969559590795308== boundary="------------080906020207060205010303" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080906020207060205010303 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might want to check and see how much play in the rocker arm bushings & shaft. CR On 5/18/2015 9:24 AM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs wrote: > Since we are on this thread, I have heard a good number of engines > that are quiet as a mouse and no valve train noise. The engine now in > my GT the are just down right noisy. Tried tighter, tried looser , > with no effect .Using VR-1 oil with a NAPA filter , engine has a bout > 35000 miles on it. good oil pres.. Any ideas??? > > paul > >> Paul Osborne >> Department of Electrical and Computer Eng >> University of Rochester >> 201 Hopeman Build RC >> Rochester NY 14627 >> > 585-275-5226 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------080906020207060205010303 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You might want to check and see how much play in the rocker arm bushings & shaft.

CR

On 5/18/2015 9:24 AM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs wrote:

Since we are on this thread, I have heard a good number of engines that are quiet as a mouse and no valve train noise. The engine now in my GT the are just down right noisy. Tried tighter, tried looser , with no effect .Using VR-1 oil with a NAPA filter , engine has a bout 35000 miles on it. good oil pres.. Any ideas???

paul

Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester
201 Hopeman Build RC
Rochester NY 14627

585-275-5226

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Setting the clearance too tight may prevent the valve from closing completely, too loose and the valve will not open completely. I think a SLIGHT tapping nose in the valve train is OK. John DIFede 1973 MGB When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I found the old settings rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug - it slid in but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know that it makes a difference on performance and full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while hot. TIA, Clayton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4342/9809 - Release Date: 05/18/15 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 11:01:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CB02585173 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 11:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D732580BDC for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 10:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VV3m1q00A3YHaqt01V3m0R; Mon, 18 May 2015 10:03:47 -0700 To: , References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:03:45 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJvOh8F02lapQdyRiYEEpD56qoaXAExa9xznDsX3gA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2781445267853671357== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0101_01D09151.EE2BF0E0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01D09151.EE2BF0E0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between "real close to the top" in front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly have BDC? TIA, Clayton From: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 12:25 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgacars@yahoogroups.com; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question Depends on the figure you used. Workshop Manual quotes 15 thou, cold. I don't like hot as the engine is continually cooling while I'm doing it. I use 14 thou which is loose and 16 thou which is lightly pinched so I can get a better feel for it as I only check them very rarely. As far as I know it really only makes a difference if the engine gets so hot that the gaps close up and you get combustion seepage past not quite closed valves, which burns them. Any loss of performance is only secondary. In the early years not only did I find I was adjusting them every year, sometimes opening them and sometimes closing them, but also getting repeatable gaps from one turn of the engine to the next was a problem. Then I discovered that at the strict rule of nine (RON) points, several of the valves were still changing gap. Some of them had the biggest gap before RON and some after. Since discovering that perhaps 15 years or go or more I've never had to alter them until I changed the head gasket last year, so hadn't been checking tem every year anyway. PaulH ----- Original Message ----- When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I found the old settings rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug - it slid in but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know that it makes a difference on performance and full combustion. Yes, I did the checking while hot. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01D09151.EE2BF0E0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 = all the way up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between = “real close to the top” in front of, and after TDC. This can = be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. = Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; = there is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC = ready for measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all = of that slop, that you truly have BDC?

TIA,

Clayton

From: PaulHunt73 = [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com]
Sent: Monday, May 18, = 2015 12:25 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgacars@yahoogroups.com; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet = question

Depends = on the figure you used. Workshop Manual quotes 15 thou, = cold. I don't like hot as the engine is continually cooling while = I'm doing it. I use 14 thou which is loose and 16 thou which = is lightly pinched so I can get a better feel for it as I only = check them very rarely. As far as I know it really only makes a = difference if the engine gets so hot that the gaps close up and you get = combustion seepage past not quite closed valves, which burns = them. Any loss of performance is only secondary.

In the early years not only did I find I was adjusting = them every year, sometimes opening them and sometimes closing them, = but also getting repeatable gaps from one turn of the engine to the next = was a problem. Then I discovered that at the strict rule of nine = (RON) points, several of the valves were still changing gap. Some = of them had the biggest gap before RON and some after. Since = discovering that perhaps 15 years or go or more I've never had to alter = them until I changed the head gasket last year, so hadn't been checking = tem every year anyway.

PaulH
----- Original = Message -----

When I went to reset the tappet clearance, I found the = old settings rather sloppy. I reset them so that the gauge was snug = – it slid in but it definitely tight. Which is correct? I know = that it makes a difference on performance and full combustion. Yes, I = did the checking while = hot.
------=_NextPart_000_0101_01D09151.EE2BF0E0-- --===============2781445267853671357== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2781445267853671357==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 19:58:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEBE25852D3 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 19:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DACB25847ED for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 19:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Ve4Y1q0053YHaqt01e4YsD; Mon, 18 May 2015 19:04:33 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:04:31 -0700 Thread-Index: AdCRyuSVnDHY3SA1SjC5R9Sn9x8GiQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7608883510663157734== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01D0919D.7921B6D0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D0919D.7921B6D0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits in on my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I will put in new tie-rod ends. I am interested in any input about other parts that should be replaced. I am thinking specifically about any steering ball parts, or shims. Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings in. This is because I don't know how long it's been since any of these steering and suspension bits and pieces have been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems like shocks shouldn't normally need replacing, but is there any reasonable R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind of oil, but should shims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing down on a corner of the car tends to bounce more than modern shocks. Any input welcome and helpful to all:<))) TIA, Clayton ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D0919D.7921B6D0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on = bumpy roads, I get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes = down the highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to = get some shimmying. I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and = steering bits in on my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I will put = in new tie-rod ends. I am interested in any input about other parts that = should be replaced. I am thinking specifically about any steering ball = parts, or shims. Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. = Although there is no problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of = putting new bearings in. This is because I don’t know how long = it’s been since any of these steering and suspension bits and = pieces have been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. = Seems like shocks shouldn’t normally need replacing, but is there = any reasonable R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind = of oil, but should shims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing = down on a corner of the car tends to bounce more than modern = shocks.

Any input welcome and helpful to = all:<)))

TIA,

Clayton
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01D0919D.7921B6D0-- --===============7608883510663157734== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7608883510663157734==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 20:39:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44917258473D for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 20:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E7A258032A for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 20:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150519024521.PUWZ13940.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 22:45:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([72.197.201.36]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id VelM1q00S0ndRGw01elMut; Mon, 18 May 2015 22:45:21 -0400 a=J43Q6Td6erY7i7ogEnARIg==:17 a=JJ1bDv3c7YsA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=P5NRzLt__J7yI1ZfMYsA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=iZKPDGL8UfRk9rEYbdIA:9 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=J43Q6Td6erY7i7ogEnARIg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=stargazer1@cox.net Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:45:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: David Ambrose via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4717110195006833422== boundary="------------010000090901050806010309" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010000090901050806010309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Grab the end of the rack and try to move it up and down; then fore and aft. If you have significant movement, you need to rebuild the rack. I don't know about the MGA racks, but the MGB racks have a rubber damper that has probably hardened into a hockey puck. I would check that too. There should be shims under the top cover to set the amount of damping. Poly bushings improve the handling, but make the ride a little harsher. But, more importantly, they are more durable. Cheers, Dave Ambrose On 5/18/2015 7:04 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I > get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the > highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some > shimmying. I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering > bits in on my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I will put in new > tie-rod ends. I am interested in any input about other parts that > should be replaced. I am thinking specifically about any steering ball > parts, or shims. Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. > Although there is no problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of > putting new bearings in. This is because I don’t know how long it’s > been since any of these steering and suspension bits and pieces have > been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems like > shocks shouldn’t normally need replacing, but is there any reasonable > R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind of oil, but should > shims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing down on a corner > of the car tends to bounce more than modern shocks. > > Any input welcome and helpful to all:<))) > > TIA, > > Clayton > > --------------010000090901050806010309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Grab the end of the rack and try to move it up and down; then fore and aft. If you have significant movement, you need to rebuild the rack. I don't know about the MGA racks, but the MGB racks have a rubber damper that has probably hardened into a hockey puck. I would check that too. There should be shims under the top cover to set the amount of damping.

Poly bushings improve the handling, but make the ride a little harsher. But, more importantly, they are more durable.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

On 5/18/2015 7:04 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits in on my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I will put in new tie-rod ends. I am interested in any input about other parts that should be replaced. I am thinking specifically about any steering ball parts, or shims. Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings in. This is because I don’t know how long it’s been since any of these steering and suspension bits and pieces have been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems like shocks shouldn’t normally need replacing, but is there any reasonable R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind of oil, but should shims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing down on a corner of the car tends to bounce more than modern shocks.

Any input welcome and helpful to all:<)))

TIA,

Clayton

--------------010000090901050806010309-- --===============4717110195006833422== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4717110195006833422==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 21:22:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8512584A14 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5F32584518 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VfQE1q00B3YHaqt01fQFbU; Mon, 18 May 2015 20:24:15 -0700 To: "'David Ambrose via Mgs'" References: <555AA3C2.8010600@cox.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 20:24:13 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIsUwZqhWsVogTlDGfdQrvCBqnF1wI9c9s4nLk0QbA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7024831665008591185== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D091A8.9BD81FB0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D091A8.9BD81FB0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I presume the front end should be lifted by the body? Would those movements also be caused by bushings? Clayton From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Ambrose via Mgs Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:45 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild Grab the end of the rack and try to move it up and down; then fore and aft. If you have significant movement, you need to rebuild the rack. I don't know about the MGA racks, but the MGB racks have a rubber damper that has probably hardened into a hockey puck. I would check that too. There should be shims under the top cover to set the amount of damping. Poly bushings improve the handling, but make the ride a little harsher. But, more importantly, they are more durable. Cheers, Dave Ambrose On 5/18/2015 7:04 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits in on my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I will put in new tie-rod ends. I am interested in any input about other parts that should be replaced. I am thinking specifically about any steering ball parts, or shims. Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings in. This is because I don't know how long it's been since any of these steering and suspension bits and pieces have been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems like shocks shouldn't normally need replacing, but is there any reasonable R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind of oil, but should shims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing down on a corner of the car tends to bounce more than modern shocks. Any input welcome and helpful to all:<))) TIA, Clayton ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D091A8.9BD81FB0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I presume the front end should be lifted by the = body? Would those movements also be caused by = bushings?

Clayton

From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] = On Behalf Of David Ambrose via Mgs
Sent: Monday, May = 18, 2015 7:45 PM
To: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [Mgs] question about steering = rebuild

Grab the end of the rack and try to move it up and = down; then fore and aft. If you have significant movement, you need to = rebuild the rack. I don't know about the MGA racks, but the MGB racks = have a rubber damper that has probably hardened into a hockey puck. I = would check that too. There should be shims under the top cover to set = the amount of damping.

Poly bushings improve the handling, but = make the ride a little harsher. But, more importantly, they are more = durable.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

On 5/18/2015 7:04 PM, = Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:
When = I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a = lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway = smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. = I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits in on = my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I will put in new tie-rod ends. = I am interested in any input about other parts that should be replaced. = I am thinking specifically about any steering ball parts, or shims. = Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no = problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings = in. This is because I don’t know how long it’s been since = any of these steering and suspension bits and pieces have been replaced = and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems like shocks = shouldn’t normally need replacing, but is there any reasonable = R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind of oil, but = should shims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing down on a = corner of the car tends to bounce more than modern = shocks.

Any input welcome and helpful to = all:<)))

TIA,

Clayton

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D091A8.9BD81FB0-- --===============7024831665008591185== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7024831665008591185==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 21:37:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A077B25851C1 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B8F2584640 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by padbw4 with SMTP id bw4so4875437pad.0 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=GvZQwlXHqF8p64oluXk168dVOQ5mO4ETyISpZQ4x0Og=; b=LUy8B9vwpYqFx34VxtwHETyKiddWvcBA9tryW8MGoLuIMIVqUqcn5MvWgTR+mjhsF7 InsSMyc9X//sD3tsglm5JMKBfqUeH/FWToBExdD/TVSIFFGAjR2s5I8DmocVNCEPzg5S Vm6PzWjzhM8ddX6U0AsrDQxf6Kw9rxNb0OZHcFZJ61cIxddxoj9jdpGMjOBQV7YhmYx8 2JfKRL0IDdZ429Alg0yXwgfAYxbs6M1t1hJ36UAvlVyQoJjthO682hQiJgzN/buWyFI/ BX25+nzwSLOElXPZEeHwm2iZGBz+SI3x7ZUYbdnKlG8PaMDT52C1WX7Fm35ep0/XeU0k ynxQ== Mon, 18 May 2015 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2605:e000:2edb:800:e0f9:9f06:8e70:29b6? ([2605:e000:2edb:800:e0f9:9f06:8e70:29b6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm11454845pde.18.2015.05.18.20.36.51 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 May 2015 20:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 20:36:48 -0700 References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> To: "crk@godblessthe.us" Cc: "" , "" Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Richard Ewald via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2427923770671552235== boundary=Apple-Mail-94B7955F-2A1F-49BC-AC57-42F51B7A5FFE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-94B7955F-2A1F-49BC-AC57-42F51B7A5FFE charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Houston we have a problem with terminology here.=20 TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the firin= g stroke. Period.=20 Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the exact b= ottom of its stroke? BDC.=20 #1 at the top of its stroke on compression? The engine is at TDC.=20 What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of the c= am.=20 If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that valve= s 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine several degrees= one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it won't)=20 This is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one side= . Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance.=20 There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 adj= ust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then adjust the o= ther half.=20 Rick Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs w= rote: >=20 > Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But= there is a significant rotation between =E2=80=9Creal close to the top=E2=80= =9D in front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine an= d seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not= perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that when 8 is= TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the question is, how= do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly have BDC? > =20 > TIA, > =20 > Clayton > =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-94B7955F-2A1F-49BC-AC57-42F51B7A5FFE charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Houston we have a problem with termino= logy here.
TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston i= n the bore, or in the firing stroke. Period.
Piston at the e= xact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the exact bottom of i= ts stroke? BDC.
#1 at the top of its stroke on compression? &= nbsp;The engine is at TDC.
What you are referring to is the v= alve being on the lobe or the heel of the cam.
If you doubt t= hat when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that valves 6 & 8= are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine several degrees one wa= y or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it won't)
Thi= s is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one side. A= nywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance.
There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 ad= just half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then adjust the o= ther half.

Rick

Sent from my iPhone

<= div>
On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand h= aving 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between= =E2=80=9Creal close to the top=E2=80=9D in front of, and after TDC. This ca= n be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. Al= so, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there= is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for= measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, t= hat you truly have BDC?

TIA,
=
Clayton

<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-94B7955F-2A1F-49BC-AC57-42F51B7A5FFE-- --===============2427923770671552235== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2427923770671552235==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 21:54:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DBC258556E for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6700F25853E7 for ; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa06-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Vg0W1q0093YHaqt01g0XsA; Mon, 18 May 2015 21:00:32 -0700 To: References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 21:00:29 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJvOh8F02lapQdyRiYEEpD56qoaXAExa9xzAeZHc2gCLwVxf5wbJViQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2061801108958865274== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01D091AD.AD249550" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01D091AD.AD249550 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks but it was the best word that came to mind at the time. I think = you understand what I was after. So, several degrees either side = won=E2=80=99t matter is what you=E2=80=99re saying. I was fairly certain = that was true, however, aren=E2=80=99t the lobes of intake on 1 and out = on 8 slightly shifted on the cam?=20 =20 TIA, =20 Clayton =20 From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:37 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question =20 Houston we have a problem with terminology here.=20 TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the = firing stroke. Period.=20 Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the = exact bottom of its stroke? BDC.=20 #1 at the top of its stroke on compression? The engine is at TDC.=20 What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of = the cam.=20 If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that = valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine = several degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it = won't)=20 This is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one = side. Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance.=20 There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 = adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then = adjust the other half.=20 Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs
Thanks but it was the = best word that came to mind at the time. I think you understand what I = was after. So, several degrees either side won=E2=80=99t matter is what = you=E2=80=99re saying. I was fairly certain that was true, however, = aren=E2=80=99t the lobes of intake on 1 and out on 8 slightly shifted on = the cam?

TIA,

Clayton

From: Richard Ewald = [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 = 8:37 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
Cc: = <mgacars@yahoogroups.com>; = <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet = question

Houston = we have a problem with terminology here.
TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the = bore, or in the firing stroke. Period.
Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The = piston is at TDC. At the exact bottom of its stroke? = BDC.
#1 at the top = of its stroke on compression? The engine is at = TDC.
What you are = referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of the = cam.
If you doubt = that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that valves 6 = & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine several = degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it = won't)
This is = because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one side. = Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same = clearance.
There are = even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 adjust = half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then adjust the = other half.
Rick

Sent from my = iPhone

On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton = Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
Regarding Rule of Nine, = I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a = significant rotation between =E2=80=9Creal close to the top=E2=80=9D in = front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and = seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is = not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that = when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the = question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly = have BDC?

TIA,

Clayton

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01D091AD.AD249550-- --===============2061801108958865274== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2061801108958865274==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 03:26:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036962585193 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 03:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2507F25804F8 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 03:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id VlYU1q00c4LtS4201lYVeY; Tue, 19 May 2015 10:32:29 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=IahMgHhKl8Gj_5nZ4tAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=TNeWamYXNo2rQWS9T_cA:9 a=yiCSw3NcMQgLLjX5:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , References: <003601d091d8$25808ed0$7081ac70$@godblessthe.us> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:37:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6417359326069793314== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01D0921F.D084CCF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01D0921F.D084CCF0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What do you mean by shimmying? If you mean the steering wheel wobbles = that is usually caused by wheel imbalance. If you find it fades in and = out on the straight, but fades quicker on a left curve and slower than = on a right curve, both wheels are out. That can wear any of the = steering and front suspension components. You need to examine and test by levering and waggling all the components = and replace those worn, unless you are going for a wholesale replacement = and rebuild. MGB front swivel axles are shimmed under the upper trunnion, as are = wheel bearings, and the rack damper. Incidentally I'm not aware of the = MGB rack damper being rubber, it is steel on the ones I have dug into. Dampers only need replacing if they are leaking - that is if there is = any oil left in them. Top them up first and see what happens. Again = MGB dampers can be revalved to stiffen the suspension, if that's what = you want, or you can put a different grade of hydraulic fluid (not oil) = in them, but the Workshop Manual recommends not going above SAE20, and = that only in warm climates. By 'modern' do you mean damping on modern = cars? Or on after-market dampers on these classic cars? In both cases = they tend to be harder anyway, some of the offerings for the MGB = ridiculously so. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I = get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway = smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01D0921F.D084CCF0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What do you mean by shimmying? If you mean the = steering=20 wheel wobbles that is usually caused by wheel imbalance. If you = find it=20 fades in and out on the straight, but fades quicker on a left curve and = slower=20 than on a right curve, both wheels are out. That can wear any of = the=20 steering and front suspension components.

You need to examine and test by levering and = waggling all the=20 components and replace those worn, unless you are going for a wholesale=20 replacement and rebuild.

MGB front swivel axles are shimmed under the upper = trunnion,=20 as are wheel bearings, and the rack damper. Incidentally I'm not = aware of=20 the MGB rack damper being rubber, it is steel on the ones I have dug=20 into.

Dampers only need replacing if they are leaking - = that is if=20 there is any oil left in them. Top them up first and see what=20 happens. Again MGB dampers can be revalved to stiffen the = suspension, if=20 that's what you want, or you can put a different grade of hydraulic = fluid (not=20 oil) in them, but the Workshop Manual recommends not going above SAE20, = and that=20 only in warm climates. By 'modern' do you mean damping on modern=20 cars? Or on after-market dampers on these classic cars? In = both=20 cases they tend to be harder anyway, some of the offerings for the MGB=20 ridiculously so.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy = roads, I get=20 a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway = smoothly;=20 no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some=20 shimmying.
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01D0921F.D084CCF0-- --===============6417359326069793314== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6417359326069793314==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 03:27:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F31D25853BE for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 03:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F90258044B for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 03:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id VlYU1q00c4LtS4201lYVeW; Tue, 19 May 2015 10:32:29 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=VmCqdi4zAxVTOiAMzTsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=cvrGxCKsu8wZg52TECcA:9 a=oNbvWIl96iIH7FRw:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:21:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6775120814129002533== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01D0921D.98AC25F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01D0921D.98AC25F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As said elsewhere TDC and BDC are not relevant, if you are referring to = the piston. If you look at the valve timing the inlet lobe is at its = peak 70-odd degrees before BDC, and the exhaust valve is at it's peak = about the same distance after BDC. So the back of the lobes are under = the followers 180 degrees from there, which is more than 70 degrees = before TDC and after TDC respectively. But it shouldn't make a difference, look at the cam profile, and the = base circle should extend for significantly more than half way round the = cam, in theory giving more than 180 of engine rotation where the = clearance should be the same. Note in theory, which is why I said it's one of the reasons why I find = the position of greatest gap to adjust them, which on mine (and others I = have done) can be several degrees either side of the strict RON point. =20 Also, whilst the dynamic forces on the piston etc. are slightly = different on compression and expansion etc, statically TDC is directly = above BDC, how could it be anything else? PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. = But there is a significant rotation between "real close to the top" in = front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and = seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is = not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that = when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the = question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly = have BDC? ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01D0921D.98AC25F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As said elsewhere TDC and BDC are not relevant, if = you are=20 referring to the piston. If you look at the valve timing the inlet = lobe is=20 at its peak 70-odd degrees before BDC, and the exhaust valve is at it's = peak=20 about the same distance after BDC. So the back of the lobes are = under the=20 followers 180 degrees from there, which is more than 70 degrees before = TDC and=20 after TDC respectively.

But it shouldn't make a difference, look at the cam = profile,=20 and the base circle should extend for significantly more than half way = round the=20 cam, in theory giving more than 180 of engine rotation where the = clearance=20 should be the same.

Note in theory, which is why I said it's one of the = reasons=20 why I find the position of greatest gap to adjust them, which on mine = (and=20 others I have done) can be several degrees either side of the = strict RON=20 point.

Also, whilst the dynamic forces on the piston etc. = are=20 slightly different on compression and expansion etc, statically TDC = is=20 directly above BDC, how could it be anything else?

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

Regarding Rule of = Nine, I=20 understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a = significant=20 rotation between =93real close to the top=94 in front of, and after = TDC. This can=20 be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no = movement. Also,=20 if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; = there is a=20 bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for = measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that = slop,=20 that you truly have = BDC?
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I don't kn= ow about the MGA racks, but the MGB racks have a rubber damper that has pro= bably hardened into a hockey puck. I would check that too. There should be = shims under the top cover to set the amount of damping. Poly bushings improve the handling, but make the ride a little harsher. But= , more importantly, they are more durable. Cheers, Dave Ambrose On 5/18/2015 7:04 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a = lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway smoothly;= no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. I am planni= ng to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits in on my 62 II deluxe= . My rack seals are fine, I will put in new tie-rod ends. I am interested i= n any input about other parts that should be replaced. I am thinking specif= ically about any steering ball parts, or shims. Suspension springs front an= d rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no problem that I am aware of, I= am also thinking of putting new bearings in. This is because I don=92t kno= w how long it=92s been since any of these steering and suspension bits and = pieces have been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems = like shocks shouldn=92t normally need replacing, but is there any reasonabl= e R&R (I expect draining and replacing with some kind of oil, but should sh= ims be put in under the internal spring?)? Pushing down on a corner of the = car tends to bounce more than modern shocks. Any input welcome and helpful to all:<))) TIA, Clayton _______________________________________________ donate.html&d=3DAwICAg&c=3Dkbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=3D= ZxBBknpbf-rQERA_U4xdKMowIRW2m8bzayguRQBnJCk&m=3DDprAUpvXzRQVWYMPLiRD9BsN8G7= rlh9LFXt9n_PYRsE&s=3D--M4h33vePaRQ_ZHouDHqLFZrQZvXyyyrfFEdzDGiiM&e=3D Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.team.net= _archive&d=3DAwICAg&c=3Dkbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=3DZxB= Bknpbf-rQERA_U4xdKMowIRW2m8bzayguRQBnJCk&m=3DDprAUpvXzRQVWYMPLiRD9BsN8G7rlh= 9LFXt9n_PYRsE&s=3DPWZX3pFNjig9aaT_Nk2XDiAEx4nEE2kZkfjSsftHTTM&e=3D forums&d=3DAwICAg&c=3Dkbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=3DZxBBk= npbf-rQERA_U4xdKMowIRW2m8bzayguRQBnJCk&m=3DDprAUpvXzRQVWYMPLiRD9BsN8G7rlh9L= FXt9n_PYRsE&s=3DwbFEKMQofGAkGnqXgjVcLcSXNp5kh6u17o5MZK2E5Fc&e=3D Unsubscribe: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__autox.te= am.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=3DAwICAg&c=3Dkbmfwr1Y= ojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=3DZxBBknpbf-rQERA_U4xdKMowIRW2m8bzayg= uRQBnJCk&m=3DDprAUpvXzRQVWYMPLiRD9BsN8G7rlh9LFXt9n_PYRsE&s=3DxNUNDxUOrkDeI5= waXPzC49cOgCLRePVucRg-78XUPTE&e=3D --_000_740F6519B026439EAD4BE1C512432E6Durrochesteredu_ Content-ID: <7C2BCDE772777B49A62A9471309F7146@namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where is the rubber damper??

paulo

Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng
University of Rochester
201 Hopeman Build RC
Rochester NY 14627

585-275-5= 226

On May 18, 2015, at 10:45 PM, David Ambrose via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Grab the end of the rack and try to move it up and down; then fore and aft.= If you have significant movement, you need to rebuild the rack. I don't kn= ow about the MGA racks, but the MGB racks have a rubber damper that has pro= bably hardened into a hockey puck. I would check that too. There should be shims under the top cover to set t= he amount of damping.
Poly bushings improve the handling, but make the ride a little harsher. But= , more importantly, they are more durable.

Cheers,
Dave Ambrose

On 5/18/2015 7:04 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a = lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway smoothly;= no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. I am planni= ng to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits in on my 62 II deluxe. My rack seals are fine, I wil= l put in new tie-rod ends. I am interested in any input about other parts t= hat should be replaced. I am thinking specifically about any steering ball = parts, or shims. Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no problem that I am aw= are of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings in. This is because I do= n=92t know how long it=92s been since any of these steering and suspension = bits and pieces have been replaced and because I am going to be there anyway. Seems like shocks shouldn=92t norma= lly need replacing, but is there any reasonable R&R (I expect draining = and replacing with some kind of oil, but should shims be put in under the i= nternal spring?)? Pushing down on a corner of the car tends to bounce more than modern shocks.

Any input welcome and helpful to all:<)))

TIA,

Clayton

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--_000_740F6519B026439EAD4BE1C512432E6Durrochesteredu_-- --===============4532574757815831670== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4532574757815831670==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 07:54:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3A52585AF0 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 07:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com (mail-la0-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D4225807EF for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 07:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lagv1 with SMTP id v1so25634890lag.3 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vRO6K7nMr/+NXr32h2ekXHSRNXnQLx9uezTS/W9suGU=; b=yee3CRVc6larnnxcmMCOWcS3rQgc/Fs57WrrdPTZav81LfhxxlZ7EdScA4cE2in89W +f1jqiFU8QQU2j2bhRSU/yWX3hfUYADq3vmKRyu6W57qT9CdqE3eXdrweq6JWhc76NWo 0nA2rjNgvzgN1dNv2Ud076hzrkA9Z6R+NgqQ88QVf6rcDisDH4WIkVG18Zbi6H0WHupm 6SKTcpz9WJXMHY05/rSAqbld8uejYtdBnAvHD4vyoaViRmqIFdgfS1L/iV2e1uKMmQgy iT5EJIUDxFeMgwQ00sFVh5WWU7Lv+o6K3g1kpld75qCj6HxLJ8VBRgy94G/+E27UCEGs mxZQ== Tue, 19 May 2015 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.197.99 with HTTP; Tue, 19 May 2015 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> <000c01d091e8$59836d50$0c8a47f0$@godblessthe.us> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:00:03 -0700 To: Clayton Kirkwood Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Richard Ewald via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3534665702421129899== --001a11c3437422729705166fbaa1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why would they be? The lobes for #1 and #4 should be 180 degrees apart as should the lobes for #2 and #3. If they weren't you would have a very odd sounding and rough idle. If you have ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of their funny sounding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it runs just a bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 cylinder= . But like I said, feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what I said. This is the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old red head stringing you along. Rick On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs < mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > Thanks but it was the best word that came to mind at the time. I think yo= u > understand what I was after. So, several degrees either side won=E2=80=99= t matter > is what you=E2=80=99re saying. I was fairly certain that was true, howeve= r, aren=E2=80=99t > the lobes of intake on 1 and out on 8 slightly shifted on the cam? > > > > TIA, > > > > Clayton > > > > *From:* Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 8:37 PM > *To:* crk@godblessthe.us > *Cc:* ; > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] tappet question > > > > Houston we have a problem with terminology here. > > TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the > firing stroke. Period. > > Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the exac= t > bottom of its stroke? BDC. > > #1 at the top of its stroke on compression? The engine is at TDC. > > What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of > the cam. > > If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that > valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine several > degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it won't) > > This is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one > side. Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance. > > There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 > adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then adjust > the other half. > > Rick > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs > wrote: > > Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. Bu= t > there is a significant rotation between =E2=80=9Creal close to the top=E2= =80=9D in front > of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and seeing > very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not > perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that when 8 = is > TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the question is, h= ow > do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly have BDC? > > > > TIA, > > > > Clayton > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com > > --001a11c3437422729705166fbaa1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Why would they be?=C2=A0 The lobes for #1 and #4 should be= 180 degrees apart as should the lobes for #2 =C2=A0and #3.
If they wer= en't you would have a very odd sounding and rough idle.
If yo= u have ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of their funny so= unding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it runs just a= bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 cylinder.
But like I said, feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what I said= .=C2=A0 This is the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old red hea= d stringing you along.
Rick

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton Ki= rkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Thanks but it was t= he best word that came to mind at the time. I think you understand what I w= as after. So, several degrees either side won=E2=80=99t matter is what you= =E2=80=99re saying. I was fairly certain that was true, however, aren=E2=80= =99t the lobes of intake on 1 and out on 8 slightly shifted on the cam? =
= =C2=A0
TIA,
=C2=A0
Clayton
=C2=A0
From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:37 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
Cc= : <mgac= ars@yahoogroups.com>; <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question
=C2=A0
Houston we = have a problem with terminology here.=C2=A0
TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in = the firing stroke. Period.=C2=A0
Piston at the exact top of its stroke?=C2=A0 The piston is at TDC.= At the exact bottom of its stroke? BDC.=C2=A0
=
#1 at the top of its stroke on compression?=C2=A0 Th= e engine is at TDC.=C2=A0
What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of t= he cam.=C2=A0
If you dou= bt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that valves 6 &= amp; 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine several degrees= one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it won't)=C2=A0
This is because a camshaf= t is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one side. Anywhere on the heel i= s going to give you the same clearance.=C2=A0
<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are even some engines that instruct you to put = the engine @ TDC #1 adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degre= es and then adjust the other half.=C2=A0
Rick

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kir= kwood via Mgs <m= gs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the w= ay up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between =E2=80=9Creal c= lose to the top=E2=80=9D in front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with = rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am no= t mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. T= his means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement= . So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you tr= uly have BDC?
=C2=A0
TIA,
=C2=A0
Clayton
=C2=A0<= /u>
=C2=A0
<= /div>

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White Post Restorations has done well for me, all my T= D wheel cylinders and an MGB master cylinder. WP uses brass.
=
Some prefer stainless, though I have not read why it is or i= s not better than brass.
Bob

---------- Orig= inal Message ----------
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To: MGList List <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: = [Mgs] MGTD, MGA, MGB wheel cylinder, master cylinder rebuildingDate: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:27:38 -0400

Listers,
Lost my latest= reference for folks who can restore wheel and master cylinders for our = cars. Have Apple info but what are the others who do work youâ&eur= o;™ve liked? Stainless steel vs brass inserts, etc?
TIA,
Da= ve Houser
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----__JWM__J6d2b401c.36a3b8c3S.3d83db7eM-- --===============9196545164148504730== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9196545164148504730==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 10:26:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EE6258602D for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 10:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FEC2584694 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 10:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id VsYV1q0072Qkjl901sZ9Ml; Tue, 19 May 2015 16:33:09 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-322v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.101]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id VsZ81q00l2Azwqi01sZ8Ei; Tue, 19 May 2015 16:33:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:33:08 +0000 (UTC) To: MGList List References: <19E69111-11A0-4001-AE80-E7AE0ED494B3@tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Topic: MGTD, MGA, MGB wheel cylinder, master cylinder rebuilding Thread-Index: DB50b3+lp3r5W3xOkSaY+hR1r0oXtA== s=q20140121; t=1432053189; bh=LDpBJSCaebTbfVyZ8qNPzyWnv2SB+6t/OF4ZSnBUekY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dx7r+PKzLNSULycTiGc1Bwy95HAfi6/Jk/KVWa/nGfFZTHBQ5htyGbRUcYhjWE3yG +hgHFqJQt1C2PBdxKdVaAUHEaBsJNRkPY9uqKkNYHF8i0GIHp+VwHzWa83lnCX6YMi AXWzjlu+XoVlYUl2HQa+99RojrzxhGsOgtweNVpR1gOt1MXbukr7+IAm3BucUNzvIZ LVogzMfwhHwbTxU5e+fgZtD9h6VQUndILDbKpy1WcL/BsJ6fZLzIOJDN5qeyK+Ubs6 iADlbKoUAsHWCWI4nNSZVxFXq8SOizpEzIO7mRvEe5U8ZrAuJvTRKMHpJVyv9q/+DA hPKu7gCnIOB3Q== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGTD, MGA, MGB wheel cylinder, master cylinder rebuilding From: Gordie Bird via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1504214681115544129== boundary="----=_Part_10826591_1172283358.1432053188228" ------=_Part_10826591_1172283358.1432053188228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had a White Post rebuilt master cyl for my MGA since 2000 and it has b= een perfect.=20 I run DOT 3/4 and still have all the paint on my shelf!=20 Couldn't comment on current products though.=20 Gordie Bird=20 '62 MGA=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Houser via Mgs" =20 To: "MGList List" =20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:27:38 AM=20 Subject: [Mgs] MGTD, MGA, MGB wheel cylinder, master cylinder rebuilding=20 Listers,=20 Lost my latest reference for folks who can restore wheel and master cylinde= rs for our cars. Have Apple info but what are the others who do work you=E2= =80=99ve liked? Stainless steel vs brass inserts, etc?=20 TIA,=20 Dave Houser=20 _______________________________________________=20 Mgs@autox.team.net=20 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive=20 Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.ne= t=20 ------=_Part_10826591_1172283358.1432053188228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had a White Post rebuilt master cyl for my MGA since 2000 and= it has been perfect.
I run DOT 3/4 and still have all the paint= on my shelf!
Couldn't comment on current products though.

Gordie Bird
'62 MGA
=
From: "W. David Houser via Mgs" <mgs@autox.team.n= et>
To: "MGList List" <mgs@autox.team.net>
Sent: <= /b>Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:27:38 AM
Subject: [Mgs] MGTD, MGA, MG= B wheel cylinder, master cylinder rebuilding

Lister= s,
Lost my latest reference for folks who can restore wheel and master c= ylinders for our cars. Have Apple info but what are the others who do work = you=E2=80=99ve liked? Stainless steel vs brass inserts, etc?
TIA,
Da= ve Houser
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------=_Part_10826591_1172283358.1432053188228-- --===============1504214681115544129== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1504214681115544129==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 11:02:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0E25860B9 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 11:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp650.redcondor.net (smtp650.redcondor.net [208.80.206.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6C32586052 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 11:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgp.netins.net ([167.142.229.73]) by smtp650.redcondor.net ({9ef01f99-b982-4add-83fd-b7c41c74273c}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20150519170846744_0650; Tue, 19 May 2015 17:08:46 +0000 Received: from [208.126.78.151] (account riverside@southslope.net HELO rileyPC) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.14) with ESMTPA id 920535820; Tue, 19 May 2015 12:08:41 -0500 To: "Richard Ewald" , "Clayton Kirkwood" References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> <000c01d091e8$59836d50$0c8a47f0$@godblessthe.us> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:08:32 -0500 Importance: Normal Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Ron Sanborn via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7101766585633045860== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01D0922C.867D2870" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D0922C.867D2870 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crane Cams recommends the following method of valve adjustment. check their website Set the intake valve as the exhaust valve for that cylinder starts to = open Set the exhaust when the intake valve is almost fully closed. I have used this for years and tested it by observing cam/valve = locations when doing double overhead cam motors. it works art d From: Richard Ewald via Mgs=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:00 AM To: Clayton Kirkwood=20 Cc: MG List=20 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question Why would they be? The lobes for #1 and #4 should be 180 degrees apart = as should the lobes for #2 and #3.=20 If they weren't you would have a very odd sounding and rough idle. If you have ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of their = funny sounding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it = runs just a bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 = cylinder. But like I said, feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what I = said. This is the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old red = head stringing you along. Rick On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote: Thanks but it was the best word that came to mind at the time. I think = you understand what I was after. So, several degrees either side = won=E2=80=99t matter is what you=E2=80=99re saying. I was fairly certain = that was true, however, aren=E2=80=99t the lobes of intake on 1 and out = on 8 slightly shifted on the cam?=20 TIA, Clayton From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:37 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question Houston we have a problem with terminology here.=20 TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the = firing stroke. Period.=20 Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the = exact bottom of its stroke? BDC.=20 #1 at the top of its stroke on compression? The engine is at TDC.=20 What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel = of the cam.=20 If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that = valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine = several degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it = won't)=20 This is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on = one side. Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance.=20 There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC = #1 adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then = adjust the other half.=20 Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote: Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set = 1. But there is a significant rotation between =E2=80=9Creal close to = the top=E2=80=9D in front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with = rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am = not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a = bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for = measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that = slop, that you truly have BDC? TIA, Clayton _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richard.ewald@gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/riverside@southslope.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4347/9817 - Release Date: = 05/19/15 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D0922C.867D2870 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Crane Cams recommends the following method

of valve adjustment. check their website

Set the intake valve as the exhaust valve for that cylinder starts = to=20 open

Set the exhaust when the intake valve is almost fully closed.

I have used this for years and tested it by observing cam/valve=20 locations

when doing double overhead cam motors. it works

art d

From: Richard Ewald via Mgs

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:00 AM

To: Clayton Kirkwood

Cc: MG=20 List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question

Why would they be? The lobes for #1 and #4 should = be 180=20 degrees apart as should the lobes for #2 and #3.=20
If they weren't you would have a very odd sounding and rough = idle.

If you have ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of = their=20 funny sounding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it = runs=20 just a bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 = cylinder.

But like I said, feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what = I=20 said. This is the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old = red head=20 stringing you along.

Rick

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton = Kirkwood via Mgs=20 <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Thanks but it was = the best=20 word that came to mind at the time. I think you understand what I was = after.=20 So, several degrees either side won=E2=80=99t matter is what = you=E2=80=99re saying. I was=20 fairly certain that was true, however, aren=E2=80=99t the lobes of = intake on 1 and out=20 on 8 slightly shifted on the cam?

TIA,

Clayton

From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, = May 18,=20 2015 8:37 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
Cc: <mgacars@yahoogroups.com>; <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: = Re: [Mgs]=20 tappet question

Houston we have a problem with terminology here. =

TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston = in the=20 bore, or in the firing stroke. Period.

Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The = piston is=20 at TDC. At the exact bottom of its stroke? BDC. =

#1 at the top of its stroke on compression? = The=20 engine is at TDC.

What you are referring to is the valve being on = the lobe or=20 the heel of the cam.

If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on = the top=20 of the lobe that valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to = rotate=20 the engine several degrees one way or the other and see if the gap = gets bigger=20 (it won't)

This is because a camshaft is a circle (base = circle) with a=20 bump on one side. Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same=20 clearance.

There are even some engines that instruct you to = put the=20 engine @ TDC #1 adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 = degrees and=20 then adjust the other half.

Rick

Sent from my = iPhone

On May 18, = 2015, at 10:03,=20 Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Regarding Rule = of Nine, I=20 understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a = significant=20 rotation between =E2=80=9Creal close to the top=E2=80=9D in front = of, and after TDC. This=20 can be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no = movement.=20 Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC = of 1;=20 there is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely = BDC=20 ready for measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with = all of=20 that slop, that you truly have BDC?

TIA,

Clayton

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D0922C.867D2870-- --===============7101766585633045860== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7101766585633045860==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 11:55:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8163C2585A05 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 11:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC3E2580918 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 11:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VtvY1q00q3YHaqt01tvZQ3; Tue, 19 May 2015 10:55:33 -0700 To: References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:55:32 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJvOh8F02lapQdyRiYEEpD56qoaXAExa9xzAeZHc2gBViRY3Zwi0Yow Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5934622057803581738== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D09222.53E6EA90" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D09222.53E6EA90 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said in a different post, I made the mistake of using TDC and BDC too freely, as I meant the TDC and BDC of the cam lobe, and actually that isn't accurate, it is degrees before and after the top of lobe, which can now call BTL and ATL:<)))) (before top of lobe.) While I agree that the lobe leads in to BTL and follows ATL is still raised over the bottom of the lobe (BL), I know the lobes don't extend 180 degrees, 70-90 degrees either side of Top Lobe and still keep the follower up all the way. As you then kind of point out, and what my question was, how far TL can be assumed and then whether that lined up 180 degrees opposite the other RON valve. I now understand fully that the follower (I think it's the right word) will stay on the TL for an extended time or degrees. The last question still remains unstated: does the TL of valve 8 mean that you have found the BL of valve 1? If I remember correctly, they aren't 180 opposite, input being before or after exhaust by some degrees. Is the difference of opposition so insignificant that it doesn't matter? Close to TL on one valve is also close enough on the other valve? Hope that is more clear. Clayton From: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:22 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question As said elsewhere TDC and BDC are not relevant, if you are referring to the piston. If you look at the valve timing the inlet lobe is at its peak 70-odd degrees before BDC, and the exhaust valve is at it's peak about the same distance after BDC. So the back of the lobes are under the followers 180 degrees from there, which is more than 70 degrees before TDC and after TDC respectively. But it shouldn't make a difference, look at the cam profile, and the base circle should extend for significantly more than half way round the cam, in theory giving more than 180 of engine rotation where the clearance should be the same. Note in theory, which is why I said it's one of the reasons why I find the position of greatest gap to adjust them, which on mine (and others I have done) can be several degrees either side of the strict RON point. Also, whilst the dynamic forces on the piston etc. are slightly different on compression and expansion etc, statically TDC is directly above BDC, how could it be anything else? PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between "real close to the top" in front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly have BDC? ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D09222.53E6EA90 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I said in a different post, I made the = mistake of using TDC and BDC too freely, as I meant the TDC and BDC of = the cam lobe, and actually that isn’t accurate, it is degrees = before and after the top of lobe, which can now call BTL and = ATL:<)))) (before top of lobe…) While I agree that the = lobe leads in to BTL and follows ATL is still raised over the bottom of = the lobe (BL), I know the lobes don’t extend 180 degrees, 70-90 = degrees either side of Top Lobe and still keep the follower up all the = way. As you then kind of point out, and what my question was, how = far TL can be assumed and then whether that lined up 180 degrees = opposite the other RON valve. I now understand fully that the follower = (I think it’s the right word) will stay on the TL for an extended = time or degrees. The last question still remains unstated: does the TL = of valve 8 mean that you have found the BL of valve 1? If I remember = correctly, they aren’t 180 opposite, input being before or after = exhaust by some degrees. Is the difference of opposition so = insignificant that it doesn’t matter? Close to TL on one valve is = also close enough on the other valve?

Hope that is more = clear.

Clayton

From: PaulHunt73 = [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, = 2015 2:22 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet = question

As said = elsewhere TDC and BDC are not relevant, if you are referring to the = piston. If you look at the valve timing the inlet lobe is at its = peak 70-odd degrees before BDC, and the exhaust valve is at it's peak = about the same distance after BDC. So the back of the lobes are = under the followers 180 degrees from there, which is more than 70 = degrees before TDC and after TDC respectively.

But it shouldn't make a difference, look at the cam = profile, and the base circle should extend for significantly more than = half way round the cam, in theory giving more than 180 of engine = rotation where the clearance should be the same.

Note in theory, which is why I said it's one of the = reasons why I find the position of greatest gap to adjust them, which on = mine (and others I have done) can be several degrees either side of = the strict RON point.

Also, whilst the dynamic forces on the piston etc. are = slightly different on compression and expansion etc, statically TDC = is directly above BDC, how could it be anything else?

PaulH.

----- = Original Message -----

Regarding Rule of Nine, = I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. But there is a = significant rotation between “real close to the top” in = front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and = seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is = not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that = when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the = question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly = have BDC?
------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D09222.53E6EA90-- --===============5934622057803581738== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5934622057803581738==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 12:12:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3533258667F for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 12:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3812587584 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 12:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Vu9Y1q0043YHaqt01u9Y3b; Tue, 19 May 2015 11:09:32 -0700 To: References: <003601d091d8$25808ed0$7081ac70$@godblessthe.us> <4DA4685E6F2D4FA5BF8EC00A4362BC1C@paul> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:09:31 -0700 Thread-Index: AQKjOQW6TPDGkVmcwHUzrRrjWji4sgD0rr0Qm9ai7/A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2983192105530974555== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0107_01D09224.483ED660" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0107_01D09224.483ED660 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See below. From: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:38 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild What do you mean by shimmying? If you mean the steering wheel wobbles that is usually caused by wheel imbalance. If you find it fades in and out on the straight, but fades quicker on a left curve and slower than on a right curve, both wheels are out. That can wear any of the steering and front suspension components. No, not so much the steering wheel, but I can feel the movement through the steering wheel: it kind of stutters, kind of like something has a gap or some rubber has broken down and allows some looseness. You need to examine and test by levering and waggling all the components and replace those worn, unless you are going for a wholesale replacement and rebuild. Since it's been an unknown but long time since I know the suspension and steering bits and pieces have been R&Red. The car says it's gone 80 thousand miles, presumably accurate and only on the first 100000 miles, so I don't think it unreasonable to replace rubbers and possible cap pieces as well as the Tie Rods. MGB front swivel axles are shimmed under the upper trunnion, as are wheel bearings, and the rack damper. Incidentally I'm not aware of the MGB rack damper being rubber, it is steel on the ones I have dug into. Dampers only need replacing if they are leaking - that is if there is any oil left in them. Top them up first and see what happens. Again MGB dampers can be revalved to stiffen the suspension, if that's what you want, or you can put a different grade of hydraulic fluid (not oil) in them, but the Workshop Manual recommends not going above SAE20, and that only in warm climates. By 'modern' do you mean damping on modern cars? Or on after-market dampers on these classic cars? In both cases they tend to be harder anyway, some of the offerings for the MGB ridiculously so. These are on an MGA, and I presume a decent hydraulic fluid is adequate? Yes modern is referring to modern cars and their suspension, particularly the shocks. I know they have different characteristics. On a modern car you jump on and off a corner of the car and you get about 1.5 cycles. On my MGA, I do that, and it dampens after maybe three cycles. I don't know if that is to be expected on a 60's English car, that's all. Clayton PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. ------=_NextPart_000_0107_01D09224.483ED660 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
See below…

From: PaulHunt73 = [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, = 2015 2:38 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering = rebuild

What do = you mean by shimmying? If you mean the steering wheel wobbles that = is usually caused by wheel imbalance. If you find it fades in and = out on the straight, but fades quicker on a left curve and slower than = on a right curve, both wheels are out. That can wear any of the = steering and front suspension components.

No, not so much the = steering wheel, but I can feel the movement through the steering wheel: = it kind of stutters, kind of like something has a gap or some rubber has = broken down and allows some = looseness.

You need to examine and test by levering and waggling all = the components and replace those worn, unless you are going for a = wholesale replacement and rebuild.

Since it’s been an = unknown but long time since I know the suspension and steering bits and = pieces have been R&Red. The car says it’s gone 80 thousand = miles, presumably accurate and only on the first 100000 miles, so I = don’t think it unreasonable to replace rubbers and possible cap = pieces as well as the Tie Rods.

MGB front swivel axles are shimmed under the upper = trunnion, as are wheel bearings, and the rack damper. Incidentally = I'm not aware of the MGB rack damper being rubber, it is steel on the = ones I have dug into.

Dampers only need replacing if they are leaking - that is = if there is any oil left in them. Top them up first and see what = happens. Again MGB dampers can be revalved to stiffen the = suspension, if that's what you want, or you can put a different grade of = hydraulic fluid (not oil) in them, but the Workshop Manual recommends = not going above SAE20, and that only in warm climates. By 'modern' = do you mean damping on modern cars? Or on after-market dampers on = these classic cars? In both cases they tend to be harder anyway, = some of the offerings for the MGB ridiculously = so.

These are on an MGA, and = I presume a decent hydraulic fluid is adequate? Yes modern is referring = to modern cars and their suspension, particularly the shocks. I know = they have different characteristics. On a modern car you jump on and off = a corner of the car and you get about 1.5 cycles. On my MGA, I do that, = and it dampens after maybe three cycles. I don’t know if that is = to be expected on a 60’s English car, that’s = all.

Clayton

PaulH.

----- Original = Message -----
When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on = bumpy roads, I get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes = down the highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to = get some = shimmying.
------=_NextPart_000_0107_01D09224.483ED660-- --===============2983192105530974555== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2983192105530974555==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 12:41:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD2725849AF for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 12:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AF525847C3 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 12:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Vun91q00R3YHaqt01un9eK; Tue, 19 May 2015 11:47:10 -0700 To: "'Richard Ewald'" References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> <000c01d091e8$59836d50$0c8a47f0$@godblessthe.us> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:47:08 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJvOh8F02lapQdyRiYEEpD56qoaXAExa9xzAeZHc2gCLwVxfwHyp+yFAZDihE+b//5QAA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'MG List' Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8023317432922102648== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011C_01D09229.89CB9780" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01D09229.89CB9780 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny red head:<)) Yes, I agree that the input lobes of 1 and 4, and 2 = and 3 are 180 degrees apart. But I don=E2=80=99t think that intake 1 and = exhaust 8 are 180 degrees apart. Intake cylinder 1 TL comes a few = degrees before or after exhaust of cylinder 4 (valves 1 and 8 = respectively). I think it is exhaust opens a little early before BDC of = piston and closes at TDC, whilst intake opens a little after TDC of = piston and closes right at BDC. That=E2=80=99s why you can find modified = cam profiles: to change the performance characteristics. =20 But then I am a 71 year old blonde being strung along:<) =20 Clayton =20 From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 7:00 AM To: Clayton Kirkwood Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question =20 Why would they be? The lobes for #1 and #4 should be 180 degrees apart = as should the lobes for #2 and #3. If they weren't you would have a very odd sounding and rough idle. If you have ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of their = funny sounding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it = runs just a bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 = cylinder. But like I said, feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what I = said. This is the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old red = head stringing you along. Rick =20 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = Thanks but it was the best word that came to mind at the time. I think = you understand what I was after. So, several degrees either side = won=E2=80=99t matter is what you=E2=80=99re saying. I was fairly certain = that was true, however, aren=E2=80=99t the lobes of intake on 1 and out = on 8 slightly shifted on the cam?=20 =20 TIA, =20 Clayton =20 From: Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com = Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question =20 Houston we have a problem with terminology here.=20 TDC and BDC refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the = firing stroke. Period.=20 Piston at the exact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the = exact bottom of its stroke? BDC.=20 #1 at the top of its stroke on compression? The engine is at TDC.=20 What you are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of = the cam.=20 If you doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that = valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine = several degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it = won't)=20 This is because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one = side. Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same clearance.=20 There are even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 = adjust half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then = adjust the other half.=20 Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs
Funny red head:<)) Yes, I agree that the input lobes of 1 and 4, and = 2 and 3 are 180 degrees apart. But I don=E2=80=99t think that intake 1 = and exhaust 8 are 180 degrees apart. Intake cylinder 1 TL comes a few = degrees before or after exhaust of cylinder 4 (valves 1 and 8 = respectively). I think it is exhaust opens a little early before BDC of = piston and closes at TDC, whilst intake opens a little after TDC of = piston and closes right at BDC. That=E2=80=99s why you can find modified = cam profiles: to change the performance = characteristics.

But then I am a 71 year old blonde being strung = along:<)

Clayton

From:<= /b> = Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = May 19, 2015 7:00 AM
To: Clayton Kirkwood
Cc: MG = List
Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet = question

Why = would they be? The lobes for #1 and #4 should be 180 degrees apart = as should the lobes for #2 and #3.
If they weren't you would have a very odd sounding and = rough idle.
If you have = ever listened to a air cooled VW motor, the source of their funny = sounding idle is they fire one cylinder (#3) a bit retarded so it runs = just a bit cooler as the oil cooler is right on top of the #3 = cylinder.
But like I said, = feel free to pull your valve cover and verify what I said. This is = the internet, for all you know, I am an 16 year old red head stringing = you along.
Rick

On Mon, = May 18, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
Thanks but it was the best word that came to = mind at the time. I think you understand what I was after. So, several = degrees either side won=E2=80=99t matter is what you=E2=80=99re saying. = I was fairly certain that was true, however, aren=E2=80=99t the lobes of = intake on 1 and out on 8 slightly shifted on the cam? =

TIA,

Clayton

From:= Richard Ewald [mailto:richard.ewald@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, = May 18, 2015 8:37 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
Cc: <mgacars@yahoogroups.com>; <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: = [Mgs] tappet question
<= /o:p>
Houston we = have a problem with terminology = here.
TDC and BDC = refer to the position of the piston in the bore, or in the firing = stroke. Period.
Piston at = the exact top of its stroke? The piston is at TDC. At the exact = bottom of its stroke? BDC.
#1 at the = top of its stroke on compression? The engine is at = TDC.
What you = are referring to is the valve being on the lobe or the heel of the = cam.
If you = doubt that when #s valves 1 & 3 are on the top of the lobe that = valves 6 & 8 are fully on the heel feel free to rotate the engine = several degrees one way or the other and see if the gap gets bigger (it = won't)
This is = because a camshaft is a circle (base circle) with a bump on one side. = Anywhere on the heel is going to give you the same = clearance.
There are = even some engines that instruct you to put the engine @ TDC #1 adjust = half the valves then rotate the engine 360 degrees and then adjust the = other half.
Rick

Sent= from my iPhone

On May 18, = 2015, at 10:03, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 = all the way up to set 1. But there is a significant rotation between = =E2=80=9Creal close to the top=E2=80=9D in front of, and after TDC. This = can be seen with rotation the engine and seeing very little to no = movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is not perfectly in line with = BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that when 8 is TDC, 1 is not = absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the question is, how do you = ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly have = BDC?

TIA,

Clayton

<= /o:p>

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------=_NextPart_000_011C_01D09229.89CB9780-- --===============8023317432922102648== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8023317432922102648==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 13:59:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D65E2584A9D for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 13:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B5F2580967 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 13:59:28 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=1lxiNUhjZw-lbyiz4h4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:51856] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 66/45-31387-3A79B555; Tue, 19 May 2015 16:05:56 -0400 To: References: Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:05:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: Eric J Russell via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I get a > lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the highway > smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. How are the tires? Some tires will 'flat spot' when left sitting. Some will become round again after driving for a while, some seem to take a permanent set. Uneven wear, broken cords, etc cause all sorts of noise/shakes. Remember that you can balance a square tire - but it won't give a smooth ride. > I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits > I am thinking specifically about any steering ball parts, or shims. > Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is no > problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings in. New parts for the sake of having new parts might be false security. I have found that many of today's reproduced parts are inferior to parts from 'back-in-the-day'. If not broken/sagging then springs are not usually a wear item. The MGA steering rack is usually very long-lived if kept full of oil (90 weight, not grease). Wheel bearings can usually be serviced by cleaning & re-packing. This avoids having to R/R bearing races unnecessarily. Rubber suspension bushes are certainly suspect. Unfortunately, today's rubber parts do not last as long a they used to. Polyurethane bushes will give a slightly harsher ride but they'll usually last a lot longer. If there is a choice of firmness, a soft polyurethane is close to rubber's compliance. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 15:00:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C0225877CA for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 15:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD35B2580151 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 14:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Vx3D1q0063YHaqt01x3EXK; Tue, 19 May 2015 14:03:14 -0700 To: References: <91D5AE782C9A4B489CED6659A219938C@EricJRussellPC> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 14:03:08 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFtPr60klQmNdLOEpqE2f50LexQUwI30miDnjiwkPA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Eric. No, I don't think there is anything wrong with the tires; she gets driven often, and bumping problem is just at around 70+. Having never seen original springs front or rear, I don't know what would be sagging. I know that in the old Landrover trucks, it's not uncommon to replace leaf springs from time to time. Like the square wheel analogy:<) As far as the bearings, like I said, I don't having specific indications that the bearing are failing, but bearing can pretty easy to replace, but like you said, false security is always an issue. Clayton -----Original Message----- From: Eric J Russell [mailto:ejrussell@mebtel.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:06 PM To: mgs@autox.team.net Cc: crk@godblessthe.us Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild > When I hit the road in my 62 II deluxe, especially on bumpy roads, I > get a lot of rumbling , clunking and shaking. She goes down the > highway smoothly; no veering and only above 70 do I start to get some shimmying. How are the tires? Some tires will 'flat spot' when left sitting. Some will become round again after driving for a while, some seem to take a permanent set. Uneven wear, broken cords, etc cause all sorts of noise/shakes. Remember that you can balance a square tire - but it won't give a smooth ride. > I am planning to put in a major suspension kit and steering bits I am > thinking specifically about any steering ball parts, or shims. > Suspension springs front and rear, rebound buffers. Although there is > no problem that I am aware of, I am also thinking of putting new bearings in. New parts for the sake of having new parts might be false security. I have found that many of today's reproduced parts are inferior to parts from 'back-in-the-day'. If not broken/sagging then springs are not usually a wear item. The MGA steering rack is usually very long-lived if kept full of oil (90 weight, not grease). Wheel bearings can usually be serviced by cleaning & re-packing. This avoids having to R/R bearing races unnecessarily. Rubber suspension bushes are certainly suspect. Unfortunately, today's rubber parts do not last as long a they used to. Polyurethane bushes will give a slightly harsher ride but they'll usually last a lot longer. If there is a choice of firmness, a soft polyurethane is close to rubber's compliance. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 02:03:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BFB2585833 for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 02:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B489258021A for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id W82f1q00D4LtS420182fHP; Wed, 20 May 2015 09:02:39 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=mhS_l32yznVFMRxWlC8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=bkSxLPaVTXzjVNvWJHYA:9 a=y4GNx4Cs7J540LNi:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , References: <005f01d090c9$ba5f2c10$2f1d8430$@godblessthe.us> <2C7FC452A765496FB533447F99F10931@paul> <010001d0918c$9a8ac8e0$cfa05aa0$@godblessthe.us> <00f701d0925d$0044d830$00ce8890$@godblessthe.us> Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:02:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2420941592365998921== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01D092DB.A74ABA90" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01D092DB.A74ABA90 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as I have seen when adjusting valves any valve is at peak lift at = only one point on the cam. The tip of the lobe is rounded, so as it = passes under the flat tappet it is only when the centre of the lobe is = under the centre of the follower that you will have peak lift. Very = nearly peak lift a few degrees either side of that, but not much. You mention comparing valves 1 and 8, but talk about inlet and exhaust. = It's true that inlet and exhaust lobes are not 180 degrees apart - the = lobe of an inlet is 16 degrees away from the heel of an exhaust and = vice-versa, but 1 and 8 are both exhaust valves. And because those = valves are on cylinders 1 and 4 which fire one complete engine = revolution apart it wouldn't surprise me if their lobes and heels *are* = 180 degrees apart, which is probably why someone came up with the Rule = of Nine. All the pairs in the Rule of Nine are the same valve - inlet = or exhaust - and all on 'opposite' halves of the engine. But all this is getting into the realm of how many angels can dance on = the head of a pin. The fact remains that in theory there is a = significant range of cam rotation where the clearance should be at a = maximum, meaning that it shouldn't be critical to get the opposite valve = exactly on the peak of its lobe. But in practice, on a cam by cam = basis, that doesn't seem to be the case and one needs to check where the = point of maximum gap is on any valve, and see how that compares with the = point of maximum lift on its partner valve. As I've said a couple of = times on engines I've checked the two don't always occur at the same = time on various valves. It's also the case that the period of maximum = gap has been surprisingly narrow, like the period of maximum lift, = whereas on drawings of various cam profiles the base circle i.e. where = the clearance should be maximum occupies more than 180 degrees. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 ... does the TL of valve 8 mean that you have found the BL of valve 1? = If I remember correctly, they aren't 180 opposite, input being before or = after exhaust by some degrees. Is the difference of opposition so = insignificant that it doesn't matter? ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01D092DB.A74ABA90 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As far as I have seen when adjusting valves any = valve is at=20 peak lift at only one point on the cam. The tip of the lobe is = rounded, so=20 as it passes under the flat tappet it is only when the centre of the = lobe is=20 under the centre of the follower that you will have peak lift. = Very nearly=20 peak lift a few degrees either side of that, but not much.

You mention comparing valves 1 and 8, but talk about = inlet and=20 exhaust. It's true that inlet and exhaust lobes are not 180 = degrees apart=20 - the lobe of an inlet is 16 degrees away from the heel of an exhaust = and=20 vice-versa, but 1 and 8 are both exhaust valves. And because = those=20 valves are on cylinders 1 and 4 which fire one complete engine = revolution=20 apart it wouldn't surprise me if their lobes and heels *are* 180 = degrees=20 apart, which is probably why someone came up with the Rule of = Nine. All=20 the pairs in the Rule of Nine are the same valve - inlet or exhaust - = and all=20 on 'opposite' halves of the engine.

But all this is getting into the realm of how many = angels can=20 dance on the head of a pin. The fact remains that in theory there = is a=20 significant range of cam rotation where the clearance should be at = a=20 maximum, meaning that it shouldn't be critical to get the opposite valve = exactly=20 on the peak of its lobe. But in practice, on a cam by cam basis, = that=20 doesn't seem to be the case and one needs to check where the point of = maximum=20 gap is on any valve, and see how that compares with the point of maximum = lift on=20 its partner valve. As I've said a couple of times on engines I've = checked=20 the two don't always occur at the same time on various valves. = It's also=20 the case that the period of maximum gap has been surprisingly narrow, = like the=20 period of maximum lift, whereas on drawings of various cam profiles the = base=20 circle i.e. where the clearance should be maximum occupies more = than 180=20 degrees.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

... does the TL of valve 8 mean that you = have=20 found the BL of valve 1? If I remember correctly, they aren=92t 180 = opposite,=20 input being before or after exhaust by some degrees. Is the difference = of=20 opposition so insignificant that it doesn=92t=20 matter?
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01D092DB.A74ABA90-- --===============2420941592365998921== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2420941592365998921==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 02:03:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E6F2585AB0 for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 02:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D12A258097B for ; Wed, 20 May 2015 01:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id W82f1q00D4LtS420182fHM; Wed, 20 May 2015 09:02:39 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=yXmU1d1M2UeYT4jCFhcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=CtRz9W1w-rMwGeMGx2IA:9 a=D7ca9sPedKJL5gGp:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , References: <003601d091d8$25808ed0$7081ac70$@godblessthe.us> <4DA4685E6F2D4FA5BF8EC00A4362BC1C@paul> <010601d0925e$f49cc400$ddd64c00$@godblessthe.us> Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:50:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] question about steering rebuild From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6295147760464985319== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01D092D9.FF10BD30" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01D092D9.FF10BD30 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If there is slop in the steering you should be able to feel that as free = play in the wheel before the wheels start to turn. If there is no free = play then any vibration in the steering wheel has to come from other = sources such as wheel balance, possibly king-pin wear. Speed-related = wheel wobble is wheel imbalance, rough surface noise and vibration at a = wide range of speeds is play somewhere. I take it you mean replacement = of track-rod ends rather than the track (or tie) rods themselves. Not = unreasonable, but play in those is easy enough to determine, and with = the quality of replacement parts these days I only replace something = when I need to, replacements just don't last as long as the originals. I only get 1 1/2 to 2 bounces on my MGBs, I don't know if MGAs were = softer. Even 3 has got to be less that typical American cars of the = era, from what I've read. Harder isn't necessarily better. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 No, not so much the steering wheel, but I can feel the movement = through the steering wheel: it kind of stutters, kind of like something = has a gap or some rubber has broken down and allows some looseness. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01D092D9.FF10BD30 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If there is slop in the steering you should be able = to feel=20 that as free play in the wheel before the wheels start to turn. If = there=20 is no free play then any vibration in the steering wheel has to come = from other=20 sources such as wheel balance, possibly king-pin wear. = Speed-related wheel=20 wobble is wheel imbalance, rough surface noise and vibration at a wide = range of=20 speeds is play somewhere. I take it you mean replacement of = track-rod ends=20 rather than the track (or tie) rods themselves. Not unreasonable, = but play=20 in those is easy enough to determine, and with the quality of = replacement parts=20 these days I only replace something when I need to, replacements just = don't last=20 as long as the originals.

I only get 1 1/2 to 2 bounces on my MGBs, I = don't know if=20 MGAs were softer. Even 3 has got to be less that typical American = cars of=20 the era, from what I've read. Harder isn't necessarily=20 better.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

No, not so much = the steering=20 wheel, but I can feel the movement through the steering wheel: it kind = of=20 stutters, kind of like something has a gap or some rubber has broken = down and=20 allows some looseness.

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01D092D9.FF10BD30-- --===============6295147760464985319== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6295147760464985319==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 11:47:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4E625851CD for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 11:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C522580A6D for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 11:19:23 -0600 (MDT) t=1432401955; bh=eIXptJoFXPrOWx2CIU3NIWMvZNradewEbOzo+553i0k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=SEfgIdKKDspYeDSvEg3kl5dNja6hzQnvU/KiHS4ac8/hSshEqOn5FTdHYNYkyhPTFiMe8ZrKTyR2sDasm1sCV6BWQJbWID/DwZW18J9MYIDuc33rEq1JkIuA0biYsjr4Qt28HDyRpaiRqKR2qU0P8hNUbrTRRa/P05Q+IUvKiWfwobADBoJKchRQ5F/xDEhn6DoPDRgw57a0fJkbZviwp0NSuViLLYq8CdH3DS8wGLBlSAoU040ZjXTCZHKCdcekBFmfv17t5upqSpnMlriJvYxBtgrcVL5epXdaxT5vGc8w2+noTYV+Pl7qyd+fMPUK5KAyJlkr+N/B1GdeqQJliw== Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2015 17:25:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.204] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2015 17:25:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2015 17:25:55 -0000 0Tl4dCwauVT3OlGN5fmnTHTqyApyKtMdpNiqmWE0Dz4_RtIFaUjhj_0mdaQB3U7I9N9b5f7XXXNX RkPD8_RDoOdIyQBswuGc211h6qkYWcbY5GY_36GYatO9WguXCmfLwDFGQ7RgEUQmBwgsN_Tkg6eG L1cF5D9VtWxUKBGTCIUOK4cg9csNu08p2xEA6UQaGWhf.vXNFomyIAOkJTeY_96_E68p9w5GqO5_ ZqmOTwGmKE_TSj5HWnTvQpQHSG1f.pbpnyzaatHY1KphwfLXW2Lg7gtsY.BGAyiSMjJxb0k7jXF2 pDvotASTOoJDNhnN7NfHss5uc3J66DQSbwqmLKmD83TewZHWOY7_2PMP7r4uUbeFT.eV8f0pIPc. 7Nwh3HCK9_GHna2sB9PN8Qqh_.0mtD28eVISvh0vgiP.TRutuDi2DkhfmYhFp3IH0YvXgx.XPy3V kMyi7temUQycVjpFD Received: by 66.196.80.119; Sat, 23 May 2015 17:25:55 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 17:25:54 +0000 (UTC) To: MG List , MGB Group Subject: [Mgs] For Rick Lindsay From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2740705049612943486== boundary="----=_Part_224699_151414954.1432401954722" ------=_Part_224699_151414954.1432401954722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps you should have done this with your Volvo.... http://bringatrailer.com/2015/05/22/unusual-mashup-volvo-1800s-bodied-c4-corvette/ MG content - the '76B is back on the road with a fresh battery. Old one, which was only 6 years old, wouldn't hold a charge after my trickle charger, didn't. Dan D'76B, '65BCentral NJ USA ------=_Part_224699_151414954.1432401954722 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perhaps you shou= ld have done this with your Volvo....

http://bri= ngatrailer.com/2015/05/22/unusual-mashup-volvo-1800s-bodied-c4-corvette/

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MG content - the '76B is back on the r= oad with a fresh battery. Old one, which was only 6 years old, wouldn't hol= d a charge after my trickle charger, didn't.

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

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Those little Volvos were great looking cars.

CR

On 5/23/2015 12:25 PM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs wrote:

Perhaps you should have done this with your Volvo....

http://bringatrailer.com/2015/05/22/unusual-mashup-volvo-1800s-bodied-c4-corvette/

MG content - the '76B is back on the road with a fresh battery. Old one, which was only 6 years old, wouldn't hold a charge after my trickle charger, didn't.

Dan D

'76B, '65B

Central NJ USA

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--------------040401010307070109000209-- --===============6591440535537157947== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6591440535537157947==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 15:35:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81622585308 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 15:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73387258018E for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 15:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Zeus ([204.14.99.199]) by p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id XZEq1q0024J6qWc01ZEqHh; Sat, 23 May 2015 14:14:50 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:14:52 -0700 Thread-Index: AdCVmkET9H4wfqD/SDSRq87w1+9kiA== Content-Language: en-us Cc: mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Mgs] In search of an oil cooler From: dcouncill via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1830743921383153625== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01D09562.D6BF4FA0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01D09562.D6BF4FA0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 1964 MGB is nearing the completion of an engine overhaul. But the oil cooler that was in the car has a cracked bracket on the bottom where it attaches to the car. Since the car is original or close to it (it had been stored in garage since 1981 until I got it a few years ago), I am trying to keep it original. The oil cooler is fairly unique, 10 row with rounded edges - see picture below, the cracked area on right side somewhat visible. http://www.karamursel.org/mg/early_oil_cooler.jpg Anyway, I am in search of such an early style oil cooler if anyone has one or know of one for sale. It is not a major deal - I'll use a Moss repro if I can't find one and then just keep my eye out. David Councill 1964 MGB 1967 MGBGT 1972 MGB ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01D09562.D6BF4FA0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 1964 = MGB is nearing the completion of an engine overhaul. But the oil cooler = that was in the car has a cracked bracket on the bottom where it = attaches to the car. Since the car is original or close to it (it had = been stored in garage since 1981 until I got it a few years ago), I am = trying to keep it original. The oil cooler is fairly unique, 10 row with = rounded edges – see picture below, the cracked area on right side = somewhat visible.

http://www.kar= amursel.org/mg/early_oil_cooler.jpg

Anyway, I am = in search of such an early style oil cooler if anyone has one or know of = one for sale. It is not a major deal – I’ll use a Moss repro = if I can’t find one and then just keep my eye = out.

David Councill
1964 = MGB
1967 MGBGT
1972 MGB

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01D09562.D6BF4FA0-- --===============1830743921383153625== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1830743921383153625==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 18:52:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079AA2584DB7 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 18:52:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8D02580352 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 18:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([72.172.27.145]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id Xcgw1q00E37qskw01cgwXo; Sat, 23 May 2015 20:40:57 -0400 a=Oyke1Jvb1WHg6k8eULWoig==:117 a=Oyke1Jvb1WHg6k8eULWoig==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=wPuOwISMbD0A:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=12PiDTGCAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o0IpKJP2mWet7UxbavkA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=uEdsoPjMM7o0YVvA9vYA:9 a=qSs_WOlcSxZd6FGh:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 19:40:44 -0500 Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <002d01d0959d$831cc810$89565830$@karamursel.org> Subject: Re: [Mgs] In search of an oil cooler From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2217873578954644622== boundary="------------080709000307020409090306" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080709000307020409090306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My, that is unique. Never seen one like that before. You might get someone weld up the bracket if you can live with the damage at the top right corner. CR On 5/23/2015 4:14 PM, dcouncill via Mgs wrote: > > My 1964 MGB is nearing the completion of an engine overhaul. But the > oil cooler that was in the car has a cracked bracket on the bottom > where it attaches to the car. Since the car is original or close to it > (it had been stored in garage since 1981 until I got it a few years > ago), I am trying to keep it original. The oil cooler is fairly > unique, 10 row with rounded edges – see picture below, the cracked > area on right side somewhat visible. > > http://www.karamursel.org/mg/early_oil_cooler.jpg > > Anyway, I am in search of such an early style oil cooler if anyone has > one or know of one for sale. It is not a major deal – I’ll use a Moss > repro if I can’t find one and then just keep my eye out. > > David Councill > > 1964 MGB > > 1967 MGBGT > > 1972 MGB > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------080709000307020409090306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My, that is unique. Never seen one like that before. You might get someone weld up the bracket if you can live with the damage at the top right corner.

CR

On 5/23/2015 4:14 PM, dcouncill via Mgs wrote:

My 1964 MGB is nearing the completion of an engine overhaul. But the oil cooler that was in the car has a cracked bracket on the bottom where it attaches to the car. Since the car is original or close to it (it had been stored in garage since 1981 until I got it a few years ago), I am trying to keep it original. The oil cooler is fairly unique, 10 row with rounded edges – see picture below, the cracked area on right side somewhat visible.

http://www.karamursel.org/mg/early_oil_cooler.jpg

Anyway, I am in search of such an early style oil cooler if anyone has one or know of one for sale. It is not a major deal – I’ll use a Moss repro if I can’t find one and then just keep my eye out.

David Councill

1964 MGB

1967 MGBGT

1972 MGB

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The first piece is now available from Moss Motors, so I have those.=C2=A0 T= he second piece, which I am looking for, clips into the long oval shaped sl= ot in the attachment bracket.=C2=A0 This piece clips into the same slot tha= t the harness material goes through, and appears to be there to reduce prem= ature wear on the shoulder harness material, where it goes through the chro= me attachment piece.=C2=A0 The piece is less than an inch long, and about 1= /4" wide, and is made of black plastic. If anyone has one of these they would be willing to sell, or a seat belt wi= th this piece in ;place, however you prefer to sell it, please let me know.= =C2=A0 Thank you. Jack Wheeler910-687-0211jwheeler1947@yahoo.com =20 =20 #yiv7211607651 #yiv7211607651 -- _filtered #yiv7211607651 {font-family:Cali= bri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv7211607651 #yiv7211607651 p.yiv72116= 07651MsoNormal, #yiv7211607651 li.yiv7211607651MsoNormal, #yiv7211607651 di= v.yiv7211607651MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt= ;}#yiv7211607651 a:link, #yiv7211607651 span.yiv7211607651MsoHyperlink {col= or:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7211607651 a:visited, #yiv7211607651= span.yiv7211607651MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:under= line;}#yiv7211607651 span.yiv7211607651EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv= 7211607651 .yiv7211607651MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv72= 11607651 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv7211607651 div.yiv7211607651W= ordSection1 {}#yiv7211607651=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947@yahoo.c= om ------=_Part_547007_1288929499.1432429977680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a 1971 M= GB on which I am trying to restore the seat belts and shoulder harness back= to original. From 1968 to 1971, they used an arrangement where the c= hrome piece on the end of the shoulder harness clipped over a special bolt = on the top of the body, behind the seats. The chrome piece on the end= of the shoulder harness used two different plastic pieces with it, one to = help hold the clip in place and one to keep the harness material from prema= ture wear where it goes through the clip.

<= div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1432404464862_58546" dir=3D"ltr">The first piece is = now available from Moss Motors, so I have those. The second piece, wh= ich I am looking for, clips into the long oval shaped slot in the attachmen= t bracket. This piece clips into the same slot that the harness mater= ial goes through, and appears to be there to reduce premature wear on the s= houlder harness material, where it goes through the chrome attachment piece= . The piece is less than an inch long, and about 1/4" wide, and is ma= de of black plastic.

If anyone has one of these they would be willing to sell, or a seat belt w= ith this piece in ;place, however you prefer to sell it, please let me know= . Thank you.

Ja= ck Wheeler
91= 0-687-0211
jw= heeler1947@yahoo.com

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------=_Part_547007_1288929499.1432429977680-- --===============4974261391978621137== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4974261391978621137==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 17:02:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329BA258471A for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 17:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC752585DAD for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 16:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oifu123 with SMTP id u123so7464452oif.1 for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/KU22JBValeAdxf5mwhSlC4f19e95n2CvN1GIjPiExM=; b=AaAlbVnt+PyKhucX3PIy9+wJCk7ZXBEy+tlNX8reY7mph23pIidKCZIFzCCvSswR4U xf2cRlJu5kPciOxJcG5syQ+hJcVu6PkiCEVBoBLMks9GvFn8+DS58SO7oozBRJc/2hCP 3NgEDoGSXESeRYdhk+loDaLBLCrF/DfR5/63n4rqoTqXL3A+4zuJ8Jm50y3xyA781xaM GSXby3LneuhhPTY8pwN4rZnYG15d7YKvWTp2IDrtndQiF68TztrfXIoi/B9hiuEnhtw0 C0lqjbDSa/vRX9ZL3xRmxPTYrEHKHXO7aGIfLxCexgUqdTMoVkisXzaLosUYdVmao3ik XArA== Sun, 24 May 2015 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.7.197 with HTTP; Sun, 24 May 2015 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 15:43:14 -0700 To: MGS Subject: [Mgs] Spanner/wrench size for MGA wheel cylinder From: Simon Matthews via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I am in the process of swapping out a leaking wheel cylinder. I was able to remove the larger of the two bolts that hold the cylinder onto the backing plate, but I could not find a spanner to fit the smaller of the two. I tried both Imperial and Metric spanners, but the spanner would either not go around the bolt head, or was too large to turn it. Since this is on the back of the backing plate, I am working by feel. What size spanner do I need? Is it a Whitworth size? Simon _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 17:17:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F28F2584572 for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 17:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp0.ctinetworks.com (smtp0.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756392580480 for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 16:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DavePC (24.115.153.73.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [24.115.153.73]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CE71F5980 for ; Sun, 24 May 2015 19:05:05 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 19:05:04 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: [Mgs] 70 MGB fuel leak at pump From: dave willner via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4821895076448683483== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D09654.8B0A9450" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D09654.8B0A9450 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out for a long ride today, smelled gas on way home, fuel pump is leaking = when the engine is on. 3 very small fine streams of gas shooting out the = rear of the pump near the top (looking from right side). I = didn=E2=80=99t pull the wheel off to look closer, but is this repairable = with a kit, or does something need tightening or in need of a gasket? = Thank for the help...=20 Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A BRG 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 VS ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D09654.8B0A9450 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Out for a long ride today, smelled gas on way home, fuel pump is = leaking=20 when the engine is on. 3 very small fine streams of gas shooting out the = rear of=20 the pump near the top (looking from right side). I didn=E2=80=99t pull = the wheel off to=20 look closer, but is this repairable with a kit, or does something need=20 tightening or in need of a gasket? Thank for the help...

Dave=20 Willner
Stroudsburg, PA
59 TR3A BRG
70 MGB BRG
70 BSA 441=20 VS
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D09654.8B0A9450-- --===============4821895076448683483== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4821895076448683483==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 01:50:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0B22584D7E for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 01:50:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B165D2584742 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 01:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id Y7hs1q0044LtS42017hsZq; Mon, 25 May 2015 08:41:52 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=6-BgBa-pJJB9c3lX57sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=qZi94nHHoLsA:10 a=Eat2rDg2nocA:10 a=MnUzdreDxYMA:10 a=LyxFvMfBKq5OWRUHjMkA:9 a=eyZa8WzlkESdzzjj:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "dave willner" , References: <25224141483B43C78B8E44A33C97044D@DavePC> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 08:31:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 70 MGB fuel leak at pump From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4143981580079941895== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01D096C5.2FFA4940" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D096C5.2FFA4940 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You need to get a closer look. There are a couple of chambers with = covers and gaskets in that area as well as the hoses. Parts are = available for all, in the UK at least from SU Burlen. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Out for a long ride today, smelled gas on way home, fuel pump is = leaking when the engine is on. 3 very small fine streams of gas shooting = out the rear of the pump near the top (looking from right side). ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D096C5.2FFA4940 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
You need to get a closer look. There are a = couple of=20 chambers with covers and gaskets in that area as well as the = hoses. Parts=20 are available for all, in the UK at least from SU Burlen.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

Out for a long ride today, smelled gas on way home, fuel pump is = leaking=20 when the engine is on. 3 very small fine streams of gas shooting out = the rear=20 of the pump near the top (looking from right=20 side).
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I am replacing = the door panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of questions. First= , what is the secret for getting the plastic trim pieces that go around the= inner door handle out, then back in? When I took the old panel off, = I had to break the masonite panel, in order to get the panel off, then the = black plastic trim pieces around the door handle fell off. However, w= ith the new panel in place, I'm not sure I can figure out how to get these = pieces back in. Any hints?

Second question. I ordered new door panel mounting c= lips from Moss. Part number 226-670 is a black plastic part that clip= s into the door panel, then pushes into the holes in the door. I also= ordered part number 226-675. These are clear plastic, and appear to = be something you would push into the holes in the doors. Then the par= t number 226-670 would push into them. My car did not have any of the= se on it (226-675). It simply used the 226-670, and pushed them direc= tly into the holes. I'm wondering if the 226-675 pieces were used on = an earlier model? Should I be using these on my car?

Thanks for any help you can give = me. This has been a great group I have joined, and I really appreciat= e the help you have given me. I will try to return the favor sometime= .

<= div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1432565025681_28655" dir=3D"ltr">Jack

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------=_Part_859962_474465375.1432569904130-- --===============3687343260622420658== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3687343260622420658==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 12:37:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A042584AC6 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8DF2580048 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Zeus ([204.14.99.199]) by p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id YJDm1q0024J6qWc01JDmbh; Mon, 25 May 2015 11:13:47 -0700 To: References: <25224141483B43C78B8E44A33C97044D@DavePC> <831451916.703553.1432511038547.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1266020213.859963.1432569904134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 11:13:46 -0700 Thread-Index: AQD9uAKDdCPwqMY/LkVtde4nL9ZfMwHGHVzNAg76tqafFBFFUA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help with some door panel questions From: dcouncill via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8371692102203762896== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01D096DB.DEDDDAB0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01D096DB.DEDDDAB0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the second question, I would be curious as to how 226-675 looks and = fits when you get them. I have never seen this piece as the door panel = clips go right in the holes in the door (at least on 2 cars I have = owned). Moss shows them for 1970-1980 which is probably true. My older = MGs (67 BGT, 64B) use screws rather than clips. =20 The first question, I am not positive on. I have done it several times = and did replace the panels on my 72B about ten years ago (but I plan on = opening the doors back up for lock maintenance this next winter). They = just separate as far as removal but its related to how they overlap/clip = on the sides. On assembly, I think I started each one (top and bottom) = partway and then edged them together. =20 =20 David Councill 64B 67 BGT 72B =20 From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler = via Mgs Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:05 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Help with some door panel questions =20 I am replacing the door panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of = questions. First, what is the secret for getting the plastic trim = pieces that go around the inner door handle out, then back in? When I = took the old panel off, I had to break the masonite panel, in order to = get the panel off, then the black plastic trim pieces around the door = handle fell off. However, with the new panel in place, I'm not sure I = can figure out how to get these pieces back in. Any hints?=20 =20 Second question. I ordered new door panel mounting clips from Moss. = Part number 226-670 is a black plastic part that clips into the door = panel, then pushes into the holes in the door. I also ordered part = number 226-675. These are clear plastic, and appear to be something you = would push into the holes in the doors. Then the part number 226-670 = would push into them. My car did not have any of these on it (226-675). = It simply used the 226-670, and pushed them directly into the holes. = I'm wondering if the 226-675 pieces were used on an earlier model? = Should I be using these on my car? =20 Thanks for any help you can give me. This has been a great group I have = joined, and I really appreciate the help you have given me. I will try = to return the favor sometime. =20 Jack =20 =20 _______________________________________________ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01D096DB.DEDDDAB0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On the second question, I would be curious as to how 226-675 looks = and fits when you get them. I have never seen this piece as the door = panel clips go right in the holes in the door (at least on 2 cars I have = owned). Moss shows them for 1970-1980 which is probably true. My older = MGs (67 BGT, 64B) use screws rather than clips.

The first question, I am not positive on. I have done it several = times and did replace the panels on my 72B about ten years ago (but I = plan on opening the doors back up for lock maintenance this next = winter). They just separate as far as removal but its related to how = they overlap/clip on the sides. On assembly, I think I started each one = (top and bottom) partway and then edged them together. = =C2=A0

David Councill
64B
67 BGT
72B

From:= = Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler = via Mgs
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:05 AM
To: = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Help with some door panel = questions

I am = replacing the door panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of = questions. First, what is the secret for getting the plastic trim = pieces that go around the inner door handle out, then back in? = When I took the old panel off, I had to break the masonite panel, in = order to get the panel off, then the black plastic trim pieces around = the door handle fell off. However, with the new panel in place, = I'm not sure I can figure out how to get these pieces back in. Any = hints?

Second = question. I ordered new door panel mounting clips from Moss. = Part number 226-670 is a black plastic part that clips into the door = panel, then pushes into the holes in the door. I also ordered part = number 226-675. These are clear plastic, and appear to be = something you would push into the holes in the doors. Then the = part number 226-670 would push into them. My car did not have any = of these on it (226-675). It simply used the 226-670, and pushed = them directly into the holes. I'm wondering if the 226-675 pieces = were used on an earlier model? Should I be using these on my = car?

Thanks for = any help you can give me. This has been a great group I have = joined, and I really appreciate the help you have given me. I will = try to return the favor sometime.

Jack

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------=_NextPart_000_0086_01D096DB.DEDDDAB0-- --===============8371692102203762896== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8371692102203762896==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 12:49:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDB62585DF4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.177.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8033258074C for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:34:41 -0600 (MDT) t=1432579275; bh=FAc4WyEHr8SRTQDV0XsIcqOV+S2Ca57+R3Vzb6Kv8fQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=VToidKXC46+zrqQzJrGirduNVqzk5BdFS3oO9UzZ9KhxZN3A6YxYWiPKHCTN1bdd7tlHduONMnv2odOCTwSsJ1hkQSB3CkSG+4ldlW0Zj/S/7jlKM0fBEQFYAQ+SuYJAR6IIKcET5oK71bh4gKN8lzjldWitWj5AkOUlNRN/R/Wu1Phu+87PkSWdITimCbj5xEtnL5FHOfijGJyd0IGuiIs8ZXaslz29oLfvZIx0KZ0LXfZ6urXjbE5xOA9AJ1a5XUAV6TXGDqDCxcMXoaUlWbrs9OsTpCMRVJVu3CFyQ1MLqhHB9mSq+Lo8Q1HEHlC4OZ3pmPDbTTWmbbbebozFBg== Received: from [216.39.60.183] by nm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2015 18:41:15 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.239] by tm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2015 18:41:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2015 18:41:15 -0000 DeXQWMBBDSwm1oMSQQ5FX4dYqzDfaAmuIuv521gNAMvBOcinOzi3HRHDWxQ4r61r8WU8SuA1X9f5 3lTY_HAzg0LZHkfIgfJWVwykbXsUPo02MsrqiIu2hcqG7YEzpQbPLHIeki_MXCYeZ9vU4sVS4n3P .M9N6v7hoi9x5KGuvTXl8Ag8u_WfhkxWNl85V3UzKUCygTPkJTbTFdzDEX.yuUJhsWq32nc0a7iS 9h_ehzxznN_2laTSxRsoyXxtoYvL.sLcaDB.24IvAYEeI9QFDFSzX283TMghdpaiUqyFWD.MFwX8 AaSuN7IGhKTQnM34t5f.1_zRleN3ZJ3aevT_splUrM1bG96Y2.nKHTbXNB.AWfrDaBjiiFBMaZS_ q9TfoaII.jZgTrfBjgkdK64Ej_n8q4p5TaLLTd0BVIdq0CRSRSAN3Fik0ESi8.J74CjEBKC6M82I LDcuKDr47TBMb6rE- Received: by 216.39.60.199; Mon, 25 May 2015 18:41:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:41:05 +0000 (UTC) To: "mgs@autox.team.net" References: <25224141483B43C78B8E44A33C97044D@DavePC> <831451916.703553.1432511038547.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1266020213.859963.1432569904134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [Mgs] More help with some door questions From: Jack Wheeler via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0785049533453515033== boundary="----=_Part_910634_1754144363.1432579266002" ------=_Part_910634_1754144363.1432579266002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before my technical questions, let me ask about manuals.=C2=A0 I have an of= ficial MGB factory workshop manual, but it was printed in 1965, so obviousl= y it is not a lot of help with many things on my 1971.=C2=A0 I also have th= e Bentley manual for 1962-1974, but it's main emphasis is the earlier cars,= with not a lot of emphasis on the later cars in the 1962 - 1974 group.=C2= =A0 Mine being a 1971, I can find no reference to the seat belt shoulder ha= rness attachment design used on the 1968 - 1971 cars.=C2=A0 Does anyone hav= e a recommendation for a good service manual for a 1971 MGB?=C2=A0 Also, is= there a useful parts book available for this same year (other than the Mos= s Motors catalog - which is quite helpful)? Next question.=C2=A0 I want to replace the outer seals on the door window g= lass.=C2=A0 These seals are PN 282-380 and 282-390 on page 66 of the Moss c= atalog.=C2=A0 These seals attach to the outer side of the slot in the top o= f the door, with rivets.=C2=A0 The problem is getting to the rivets with th= e window in place.=C2=A0 Is there a way to lower the door glass to get to t= he rivets, or is it necessary to remove the window glass.=C2=A0 If so, what= is the procedure to remove the glass?=C2=A0 My manuals are lacking in thes= e instructions, or I just haven't found it yet. While I've got the doors apart, I'm thinking about changing the window regu= lator on the driver's side door.=C2=A0 There is lot's of slop in the mechan= ism.=C2=A0 The handle moves almost a half turn before the window starts to = move.=C2=A0 Does anyone have any tips on how to remove the regulator on a 1= 971 model?=C2=A0 Also, I see these are N/A at Moss, so I assume new or repr= oductions of this regulator are not available.=C2=A0 In which case, does an= yone have a used driver's side regulator for sale, that would fit a 1971 MG= B, or know of someone who might have one?=C2=A0 Obviously, I'd like to find= one with minimum slack in the movement of the gears (caused by wear on the= gear teeth?) Thanks for any help you can give me. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: "mgs@autox.team.net" =20 Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:05 PM Subject: Help with some door panel questions =20 I am replacing the door panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of questio= ns.=C2=A0 First, what is the secret for getting the plastic trim pieces tha= t go around the inner door handle out, then back in?=C2=A0 When I took the = old panel off, I had to break the masonite panel, in order to get the panel= off, then the black plastic trim pieces around the door handle fell off.= =C2=A0 However, with the new panel in place, I'm not sure I can figure out = how to get these pieces back in.=C2=A0 Any hints?=20 Second question.=C2=A0 I ordered new door panel mounting clips from Moss.= =C2=A0 Part number 226-670 is a black plastic part that clips into the door= panel, then pushes into the holes in the door.=C2=A0 I also ordered part n= umber 226-675.=C2=A0 These are clear plastic, and appear to be something yo= u would push into the holes in the doors.=C2=A0 Then the part number 226-67= 0 would push into them.=C2=A0 My car did not have any of these on it (226-6= 75).=C2=A0 It simply used the 226-670, and pushed them directly into the ho= les.=C2=A0 I'm wondering if the 226-675 pieces were used on an earlier mode= l?=C2=A0 Should I be using these on my car? Thanks for any help you can give me.=C2=A0 This has been a great group I ha= ve joined, and I really appreciate the help you have given me.=C2=A0 I will= try to return the favor sometime. Jack =20 _______________________________________________ =20 =20 ------=_Part_910634_1754144363.1432579266002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Before my technical questions, le= t me ask about manuals. I have an official MGB factory workshop manua= l, but it was printed in 1965, so obviously it is not a lot of help with ma= ny things on my 1971. I also have the Bentley manual for 1962-1974, but it's main emphasis is the earlier cars, with not a lot of emphasi= s on the later cars in the 1962 - 1974 group. Mine being a 1971, I ca= n find no reference to the seat belt shoulder harness attachment design use= d on the 1968 - 1971 cars. Does anyone have a recommendation for a go= od service manual for a 1971 MGB? Also, is there a useful parts book = available for this same year (other than the Moss Motors catalog - which is= quite helpful)?

Next= question. I want to replace the outer seals on the door window glass= . These seals are PN 282-380 and 282-390 on page 66 of the Moss catal= og. These seals attach to the outer side of the slot in the top of th= e door, with rivets. The problem is getting to the rivets with the wi= ndow in place. Is there a way to lower the door glass to get to the r= ivets, or is it necessary to remove the window glass. If so, what is = the procedure to remove the glass? My manuals are lacking in these in= structions, or I just haven't found it yet.

While I've got the doors apart, I'm thinking about c= hanging the window regulator on the driver's side door. There is lot'= s of slop in the mechanism. The handle moves almost a half turn befor= e the window starts to move. Does anyone have any tips on how to remo= ve the regulator on a 1971 model? Also, I see these are N/A at Moss, = so I assume new or reproductions of this regulator are not available. = In which case, does anyone have a used driver's side regulator for sale, t= hat would fit a 1971 MGB, or know of someone who might have one? Obvi= ously, I'd like to find one with minimum slack in the movement of the gears= (caused by wear on the gear teeth?)

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Jack

----- Forwarded Message -----
= From: Jack Wheeler <jwheel= er1947@yahoo.com>
To: "mgs@autox.team.net" <mgs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:05 PM
Subject: Help with some door pa= nel questions

I am rep= lacing the door panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of questions. = ; First, what is the secret for getting the plastic trim pieces that go aro= und the inner door handle out, then back in? When I took the old pane= l off, I had to break the masonite panel, in order to get the panel off, th= en the black plastic trim pieces around the door handle fell off. How= ever, with the new panel in place, I'm not sure I can figure out how to get= these pieces back in. Any hints?

Second question. I ordered new door panel mounting clips from = Moss. Part number 226-670 is a black plastic part that clips into the= door panel, then pushes into the holes in the door. I also ordered p= art number 226-675. These are clear plastic, and appear to be somethi= ng you would push into the holes in the doors. Then the part number 2= 26-670 would push into them. My car did not have any of these on it (= 226-675). It simply used the 226-670, and pushed them directly into t= he holes. I'm wondering if the 226-675 pieces were used on an earlier= model? Should I be using these on my car?

Thanks for any help you can give me. This has been a gre= at group I have joined, and I really appreciate the help you have given me.= I will try to return the favor sometime.

Jack

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= ------=_Part_910634_1754144363.1432579266002-- --===============0785049533453515033== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0785049533453515033==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 16:17:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BBD25849D0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 16:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E0C2580152 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 16:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obfe9 with SMTP id e9so61398956obf.1 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1efKqLPY/0lcz3RVwvXUHEGMfKxvObfiRVm42Vbl0ys=; b=votQjczqdjugEh9sVdKrCfDeyCy29cdh5Vvn61H57hRcTd+rfU0ZSqk6S/pMIeP+k4 XSaOR8ih5qAHBBLEtrVmPsgWbP9/0x684eKN3J7mWsNprUwEzA1lqigFj1ygrEnhAYFz UJZWl9VpvEoObGd07ksp2Nb1KIrdxXr6alNYZosC6pBt7GvMIpzDz5wwVJSH/FZ6w8E2 qATgbk8fC+s02doP5gDMJxh94TG0D6lJNH9LuvVMoSZtL2JqMrYzQ2xOWB0xekE+ldmK 8Ld6NX3BZ5KiAVEx3o2mr55j5279+C1BIIHx6mpDUfoqSVfx7VOk7Dnm6BsagAq8Uv4h Hbag== 25 May 2015 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.7.197 with HTTP; Mon, 25 May 2015 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <14d8ce3ddf3-1fe9-4bbc7@webprd-a27.mail.aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 15:20:35 -0700 To: Alan Kellogg Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Spanner/wrench size for MGA wheel cylinder From: Simon Matthews via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net I tried an 8mm. This would not fit, so I filed it down until it would fit. However, because of the angle, I could not get a good purchase on the bolt head, which appears to be rusted in place. Perhaps a deep 11/32 socket (with narrow walls) will work. Brake fluid is quite flammable, so I am reluctant to apply heat. I have put some releasing fluid (Busty) on it and will leave it for some time. I have ordered a thin-walled 11/32 socket. Hopefully that will solve the problem. http://www.armstrongtools.com/impact-and-power-sockets/power-sockets/armstrong-18-211-1-4-drive-6-point-deep-thin-wall-power-socket-11-32.html Simon On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Alan Kellogg wrote: > update if your still looking: > > seems to be 11/32" but 8mm will most likely work. > > Alan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Matthews via Mgs > To: MGS > Sent: Sun, May 24, 2015 7:08 pm > Subject: [Mgs] Spanner/wrench size for MGA wheel cylinder > > I am in the process of swapping out a leaking wheel cylinder. I was > able to > remove the larger of the two bolts that hold the cylinder onto > the backing > plate, but I could not find a spanner to fit the smaller > of the two. I tried > both Imperial and Metric spanners, but the spanner > would either not go around > the bolt head, or was too large to turn it. > Since this is on the back of the > backing plate, I am working by feel. > > What size spanner do I need? Is it a > Whitworth > size? > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/aekell@aol.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 01:34:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9453F2584B71 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 01:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B930A25803CB for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 01:27:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id YXaV1q0104LtS4201XaW26; Tue, 26 May 2015 08:34:30 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=w1-6zuEizbTSLpVYJh0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xFAxnbEbnumNGh1VCFYA:9 a=A76LqE5Rs_orjJrs:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "Jack Wheeler" , References: <25224141483B43C78B8E44A33C97044D@DavePC> <831451916.703553.1432511038547.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1266020213.859963.1432569904134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 08:22:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Help with some door panel questions From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8365648612523105091== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0978D.28084D40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0978D.28084D40 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The finishers round the rectangular handles just slide into place from = above and below. You do need to press the panel in firmly to avoid = tearing the vinyl, and a cool day is better than a very warm one. Also = if someone had replaced the original fibre-board backing with something = more substantial that can make the job more difficult. On my 73 and 75 there is just the plastic piece that goes in the = 'keyhole' in the door card, then the nose of that pushes into the hole = in the door. Other liners are screwed directly to the body panels. = Earlier door cards that were held in with screws may well have had = plastic sockets that pushed into the door holes, then the screws went = into those. Some liners elsewhere on the car e.g. GT C-post covers have = spring-clips attached to the cards, then push into holes in the body = panels. Other versions of those may push into plastic sockets in the = body panels. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 I am replacing the door panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of = questions. ... ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0978D.28084D40 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
The finishers round the rectangular handles just = slide into=20 place from above and below. You do need to press the panel in = firmly to=20 avoid tearing the vinyl, and a cool day is better than a very warm = one. =20 Also if someone had replaced the original fibre-board backing with = something=20 more substantial that can make the job more difficult.

On my 73 and 75 there is just the plastic piece = that goes=20 in the 'keyhole' in the door card, then the nose of that pushes into the = hole in=20 the door. Other liners are screwed directly to the body = panels. =20 Earlier door cards that were held in with screws may well have had = plastic=20 sockets that pushed into the door holes, then the screws went into = those. =20 Some liners elsewhere on the car e.g. GT C-post=20 covers have spring-clips attached to the cards, then push = into=20 holes in the body panels. Other versions of those may push into = plastic=20 sockets in the body panels.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

I am replacing = the door=20 panels on my 1971 MGB, and have a couple of questions. =20 ...
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0978D.28084D40-- --===============8365648612523105091== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8365648612523105091==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 01:50:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1D82584A5B for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 01:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0118125803CB for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 01:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id YXmr1q0164LtS4201XmrkP; Tue, 26 May 2015 08:46:52 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=bFGN1JUKAAAA:8 a=rntZ0gmqnCQEpNHNGKsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=mMKarO7Q2c1aVqZ9_XIA:9 a=K4y_vLWmblVYs3wb:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "Jack Wheeler" , References: <25224141483B43C78B8E44A33C97044D@DavePC> <831451916.703553.1432511038547.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1266020213.859963.1432569904134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <275634911.910635.1432579266007.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 08:35:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] More help with some door questions From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4007826878399977481== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0978E.FB27E3B0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0978E.FB27E3B0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really you need the later version of the Leyland Workshop Manual or = Bentley, although I would have expected the Bentley to cover your 71 if = it goes up to 74. The electrical system is probably the thing that = varies the most from year to year, and you can get those online from = http://www.advanceautowire.com/mgb.pdf. The only place I have seen any = information about the quick-release shoulder belts that attach to the = tonneau panel is in the appropriate drivers handbook, but that is = minimal, only covering fastening and unfastening. =20 To replace the seals you need to remove the glass. Remove the bolts = securing the regulator to the inner door panel, then you can manoeuvre = the rollers out of the channel at the bottom of the glass, and lift the = glass out. The regulator is removed by folding it up then it can come = out of the large aperture. Easily said, quite easily done. But = remember how you did it, when I went to refit mine some months later it = took me ages to work out how to reverse the process! There are loads on = eBay, in the UK at least. I think it's true to say that the body and fittings are probably the = least well covered, it's a case of looking and feeling around, = cogitating, and trial and error. When I got my first MGB 26 years ago = and stripped it there was very little if any internet support, just the = manuals. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Before my technical questions, let me ask about manuals... ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0978E.FB27E3B0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Really you need the later version of the Leyland = Workshop=20 Manual or Bentley, although I would have expected the Bentley to cover = your 71=20 if it goes up to 74. The electrical system is probably the thing = that=20 varies the most from year to year, and you can get those online from http://www.advanceautowir= e.com/mgb.pdf. =20 The only place I have seen any information about the quick-release = shoulder=20 belts that attach to the tonneau panel is in the appropriate drivers = handbook,=20 but that is minimal, only covering fastening and unfastening. =20

To replace the seals you need to remove the = glass. =20 Remove the bolts securing the regulator to the inner door panel, then = you can=20 manoeuvre the rollers out of the channel at the bottom of the glass, and = lift=20 the glass out. The regulator is removed by folding it up then it = can come=20 out of the large aperture. Easily said, quite easily done. = But=20 remember how you did it, when I went to refit mine some months later it = took me=20 ages to work out how to reverse the process! There are loads on = eBay, in=20 the UK at least.

I think it's true to say that the body and fittings = are=20 probably the least well covered, it's a case of looking and feeling = around,=20 cogitating, and trial and error. When I got my first MGB 26 years = ago and=20 stripped it there was very little if any internet support, just the=20 manuals.

PaulH.

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Before my technical questions, = let me ask=20 about manuals...
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0978E.FB27E3B0-- --===============4007826878399977481== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4007826878399977481==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 18:13:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED45258624C for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 18:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761AF2584C24 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 18:13:39 -0600 (MDT) t=1432686014; bh=Hmq3Kl4zG87/DhkogSdupSXpQgPMihNo72VcrQ6KZ1M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=TMkl6HNpXPIpf7xjez6dQHI7Ai39I7lfqSJGipZyAlTqb4F3jV1UojEAXqg9x2b0agfAflvAB8sEOykbXAtHfJ5hF/2rumUFuYENapQ9h7CX7S0LJcqLeWzcKH4erH0Ntx5S82bOS39z8lTp7XOgS+/A78HbsrJIghe4VonGTFiEZL3BZ0VXbiorVHX54OIYkrStpbK4VbZTeQcjcnnHjSz/f7DxV98BApkh9dARvRKD1nZiftGWWKS9IfWLBXoX18vW+XOqokFxvkHKDJrUmaBHmRoYnuyNLHtzUzMB//Enr4KTtGr0vejBmueaFpeHTzznGXmVN1qTeFb6G+Xb5A== Received: from [66.196.81.173] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2015 00:20:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.226] by tm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2015 00:20:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2015 00:20:14 -0000 0jA6aqUXdmqx9lnjFuqOScpHwnRiFU0UprdsdoyRGEHm.J9MXN.R.WTHW8hO72CIIAgvN6Inptnx Q8ooB94jSqPHK5IFXQwInarYqNpcsQsDfIpCTjJwTxd2JJ9PgkpQ6uR8GLquemTwzjddgGe63S2O 1EnzxpvA_fOyLTTHKKPqRx9n.gNK5Ql6FFQwB8l2ggrFhym2_I1cKIdr1YfGFDplJVH1J_0IGZBv CTlDYkk3veqTQIlRlhBW7JjgkzeUG0LsXZ.l41YEId8D1DbNpdVPs4UW5E.4F2ttxM.uYI4V9x6S zhRUcD_qAAkxAE1tt6VEasM02daSBgq3aqN594ocx3TJhzBB6s2t1IrpCrulLD4cyuDNexJZXnMF gGoqfBEi5aqYr3LdBITTs2i73MdTQg4QFpRH2U9.qdiezsS7Ku3o0mTy0tC_2dFX3VlRGkXhyPkn 0ymNp0Es- Received: by 66.196.81.107; Wed, 27 May 2015 00:20:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 00:20:13 +0000 (UTC) To: MG List Subject: [Mgs] RIP Rocky Frisco From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3122715805585177909== boundary="----=_Part_2566194_2034212976.1432686013224" ------=_Part_2566194_2034212976.1432686013224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Long-time posters may remember Rocky, from Tulsa OK. He drove an original M= ini that he called The Luggage, a Victor (that was a TF replica with MGBdri= vetrain) and had a very interesting life - IBM salesman, race car driver an= d piano player extraordinaire, including touring with JJ Cale for many year= s....I was Facebook friends with him for the past few years.=C2=A0 Just thought I'd pass this along. A small sample of his music - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDVZOJkQqNkE Dan D'76B, '65BCentral NJ USA ------=_Part_2566194_2034212976.1432686013224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Long-= time posters may remember Rocky, from Tulsa OK. He drove an original Mini t= hat he called The Luggage, a Victor (that was a TF replica with MGB
drivetrain) and had a= very interesting life - IBM salesman, race car driver and piano player ext= raordinaire, including touring with JJ Cale for many years....
I was Facebook friends wit= h him for the past few years.

Just thought I'd pass this along.

A small sample of his music - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDVZOJkQqNkE

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA

------=_Part_2566194_2034212976.1432686013224-- --===============3122715805585177909== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3122715805585177909==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 19:08:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68E22584557 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 19:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABA72580032 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 19:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ppp14-2-5-192.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO ericconsultants-macbook-pro.fritz.box) ([14.2.5.192]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 May 2015 10:43:32 +0930 Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:43:30 +0930 References: <1490044291.2566195.1432686013227.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> To: MG list Subject: Re: [Mgs] RIP Rocky Frisco From: Eric via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2193083797003358401== --Apple-Mail=_99A1A1EC-7D3A-48FB-8482-4B0268E9660B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Sad news. As a fellow music industry person I had a few interesting chats with the = guy off-list and he was always genuine, open and just=E2=80=A6 nice. I lost contact with quite a while ago. Vale Rocky Eric > On 27 May 2015, at 9:50 am, Dan DiBiase via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > Long-time posters may remember Rocky, from Tulsa OK. He drove an = original Mini that he called The Luggage, a Victor (that was a TF = replica with MGB > drivetrain) and had a very interesting life - IBM salesman, race car = driver and piano player extraordinaire, including touring with JJ Cale = for many years.... > I was Facebook friends with him for the past few years.=20 >=20 > Just thought I'd pass this along. >=20 > A small sample of his music - = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDVZOJkQqNkE = --Apple-Mail=_99A1A1EC-7D3A-48FB-8482-4B0268E9660B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Sad news.

As a fellow music industry person I had a few interesting = chats with the guy off-list and he was always genuine, open and just=E2=80= =A6 nice.

I = lost contact with quite a while ago.

Vale Rocky

Eric

On = 27 May 2015, at 9:50 am, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Long-time posters may = remember Rocky, from Tulsa OK. He drove an original Mini that he called = The Luggage, a Victor (that was a TF replica with MGB
drivetrain) = and had a very interesting life - IBM salesman, race car driver and = piano player extraordinaire, including touring with JJ Cale for many = years....
I was Facebook friends with him for the past few = years.

Just = thought I'd pass this along.

A small sample of his music - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDVZOJkQqNkE

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