From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 2 13:52:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D67A2585B63 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A502584737 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nXqT1q00W3YHaqt01XqTj5; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:50:28 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:50:27 -0700 Thread-Index: AdC0/nv1Wk6dBvWPRyqm5LL8wQRmPg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0782160123935089581== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DF8_01D0B4C5.AC2A3A70" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DF8_01D0B4C5.AC2A3A70 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Returning to our story.. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don't understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ TIA, Clayton ------=_NextPart_000_0DF8_01D0B4C5.AC2A3A70 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the = wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly = crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings = in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three = into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two = spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. = Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I = agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The = second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two = bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was = flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I = don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter = inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is = this supposed to be inside??

 

At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton

------=_NextPart_000_0DF8_01D0B4C5.AC2A3A70-- --===============0782160123935089581== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0782160123935089581==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 2 14:38:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD82258971F for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:38:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B7325804D1 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nYdo1q00Q3YHaqt01Ydowt; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:37:49 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <37D4B2F8-693E-4B31-9B46-76793A68B5C9@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:37:48 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AIgqR7znR8zXxA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0438714680187343458== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E08_01D0B4CC.498C6490" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E08_01D0B4CC.498C6490 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=E2=80=99t know what it would be from, but I don=E2=80=99t think it = is. These are knock-off wirewheels with left and right hand threads. = They look like the ones in the manual and on Moss. =20 crk =20 From: Max Heim [mailto:mvheim@sonic.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 1:02 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues =20 That hub is from a different car? =20 -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires And now 67 MGB GHN3U137949G Old English White, off-premises for restoration =20 On Jul 2, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = =20 Returning to our story=E2=80=A6. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs = was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the = single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That = makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, = eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and = associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that = the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said = the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, = however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their = limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, = absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don=E2=80=99t understand this = problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read = as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? =20 At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and = bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ =20 TIA, =20 Clayton _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: = = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0E08_01D0B4CC.498C6490 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don=E2=80=99t know what it would be from, but I don=E2=80=99t think = it is. These are knock-off wirewheels=C2=A0 with left and right hand = threads. They look like the ones in the manual and on = Moss.

 

crk

 

From:<= /b> = Max Heim [mailto:mvheim@sonic.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 02, = 2015 1:02 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
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That hub is = from a different car?

 

--

Max = Heim

'66 MGB = GHN3L76149

If you're near Menlo Park, = CA,

it's the primer red one with = chrome wires

And now 67 MGB = GHN3U137949G

Old English White, off-premises = for restoration

 

On Jul 2, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

 

Returning to = our story=E2=80=A6. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the = inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered = spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three = pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any = side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated = bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer = bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the = solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, = however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their = limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, = absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don=E2=80=99t understand this = problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read = as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be = inside??

 

At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on = sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0E08_01D0B4CC.498C6490-- --===============0438714680187343458== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0438714680187343458==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 10:16:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3CA258C593 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E5C258C439 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.35]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id nsC11q00N0lqijm01sC1J9; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:12:02 -0400 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:117 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=FvAEXBeo5g4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=FxF3DkmrMRcrE5mJzYMA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Gv_aAgY_jMR38RkE0OEA:9 a=CGfune-cd90Z4sNP:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:11:55 -0500 Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: crk@godblessthe.us, mgs@autox.team.net References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2149305584684811389== boundary="------------080304040107040303050702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080304040107040303050702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. CR On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was > that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the > single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That > makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into > one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two > spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine > shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper > placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and > bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he > pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner > spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in > place. He and I don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is > a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the > bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? > > At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and > bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ > > TIA, > > Clayton > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------080304040107040303050702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds like you've left the shims out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside??

 

At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton



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--------------080304040107040303050702-- --===============2149305584684811389== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2149305584684811389==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 10:55:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E0F258DF08 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38BD258DEDD for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nsvL1q0073YHaqt01svLG2; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 09:55:20 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:55:19 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUnSUGYLA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7949555709851214898== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F18_01D0B576.5F0BED90" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F18_01D0B576.5F0BED90 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I've got the manual and I didn't see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. Clayton From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. CR On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Returning to our story.. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don't understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ TIA, Clayton _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0F18_01D0B576.5F0BED90 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe there are no shims on the MGA like = there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. = I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything about shims. = The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large = shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson = [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 = AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims = out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the = shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim = thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in = various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to = arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop = manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the = wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly = crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings = in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three = into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two = spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. = Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I = agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The = second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two = bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was = flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I = don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter = inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is = this supposed to be inside??

 

At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton




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CR On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, > according to a previous post from someone. I’ve got the manual and I > didn’t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is > around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. > > Clayton > > *From:*Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM > *To:* crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues > > Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings > is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the > spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. > The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to > combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. > > Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. > > CR > > On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was > that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the > single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. > That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three > into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my > two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the > machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its > proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new > spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a > different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit > shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, > absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this > problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that > I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be > inside?? > > At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and > bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ > > TIA, > > Clayton > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------040900050604030007050102 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit See here:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4024526937_b73ecbdd94.jpg

The shims are included with item #40.

CR

On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside??

 

At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton




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--------------040900050604030007050102-- --===============4119703123078722645== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4119703123078722645==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 12:14:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F8D258F659 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39F4258F74F for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:13:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.35]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id nuEF1q00X0lqijm01uEFeL; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:14:16 -0400 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:117 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=FvAEXBeo5g4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zo8hvysWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=khw8fg1UWoivcZ5lrx0A:9 a=hrOFEjaTY6TZ3qPl:21 a=8ei3PmiD_TFtvLMN:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=PQTCvnv_KxLZSwLwtC8A:9 a=i55BASCAaEwfNP9K:21 a=lLjWWWsDsaSdpU5B:21 a=ByKi2zb6jEh7IYkd:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:14:08 -0500 Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: crk@godblessthe.us, mgs@autox.team.net References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8800292099189721679== boundary="------------060304030904030803000106" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060304030904030803000106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Additionally, see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/books/wsm/wsm_k_front_susp.pdf Look at section KKK.3 for info on the shimming. CR On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, > according to a previous post from someone. I’ve got the manual and I > didn’t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is > around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. > > Clayton > > *From:*Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM > *To:* crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues > > Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings > is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the > spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. > The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to > combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. > > Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. > > CR > > On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was > that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the > single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. > That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three > into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my > two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the > machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its > proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new > spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a > different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit > shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, > absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this > problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that > I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be > inside?? > > At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and > bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ > > TIA, > > Clayton > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------060304030904030803000106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Additionally, see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/books/wsm/wsm_k_front_susp.pdf

Look at section KKK.3 for info on the shimming.

CR

On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside??

 

At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton




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--------------060304030904030803000106-- --===============8800292099189721679== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8800292099189721679==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 12:24:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28B6258FCF3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A02258FC91 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa07-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nuQK1q00G3YHaqt01uQKqY; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:24:20 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:24:18 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUAl4u7+IBgxmPTJ0GFYCw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7564426236732978092== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01D0B582.CD6B6D90" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01D0B582.CD6B6D90 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um, Charley, that's a nice picture of a plane, but I don't think it has the shims you speak of:<))) From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:05 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues See here: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4024526937_b73ecbdd94.jpg The shims are included with item #40. CR On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I've got the manual and I didn't see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. Clayton From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. CR On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Returning to our story.. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don't understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ TIA, Clayton _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01D0B582.CD6B6D90 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Um, Charley, that’s a nice picture of a = plane, but I don’t think it has the shims you speak = of:<)))

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson = [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:05 = AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

See here:

ht= tp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4024526937_b73ecbdd94.jpg

Th= e shims are included with item #40.

CR

On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

I believe there are no = shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post = from someone. I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything = about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely = such a large shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] =
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension = issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims = out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the = shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim = thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in = various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to = arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop = manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the = wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly = crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings = in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three = into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two = spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. = Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I = agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The = second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two = bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was = flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I = don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter = inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is = this supposed to be inside??

 

At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton





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------=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01D0B582.CD6B6D90-- --===============7564426236732978092== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7564426236732978092==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 12:25:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C18258FE17 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4CF258FE12 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.35]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id nuRT1q00u0lqijm01uRUi3; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:25:28 -0400 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:117 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=FvAEXBeo5g4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=deHjxdJuyT0tOkwurb4A:9 a=zLE7MUo0qXAKAKvx:21 a=rBr8y5RF2Z7f31lJ:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=PQTCvnv_KxLZSwLwtC8A:9 a=Glue03-WZ6upikuk:21 a=-HqF7gbV_E_oBMtc:21 a=k0AvvGj9_3UXKTMS:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:25:21 -0500 Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: crk@godblessthe.us, mgs@autox.team.net References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6752729124907486239== boundary="------------050708040900050504070308" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050708040900050504070308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You might want to look at the KK.3 parts exploded view to see if you have all the parts in your hubs. CR On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, > according to a previous post from someone. I’ve got the manual and I > didn’t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is > around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. > > Clayton > > *From:*Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM > *To:* crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues > > Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings > is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the > spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. > The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to > combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. > > Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. > > CR > > On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was > that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the > single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. > That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three > into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my > two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the > machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its > proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new > spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a > different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit > shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, > absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this > problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that > I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be > inside?? > > At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and > bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ > > TIA, > > Clayton > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------050708040900050504070308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You might want to look at the KK.3 parts exploded view to see if you have all the parts in your hubs.

CR

On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside??

 

At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton




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--------------050708040900050504070308-- --===============6752729124907486239== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6752729124907486239==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 12:35:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C302225903D4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76ED625902EE for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nuYi1q00B3YHaqt01uYjKt; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:32:43 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596D0F0.5020101@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:32:41 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUAl4u7+ICGdWOHp0BYYOQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1151455628284541537== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F63_01D0B583.F9874740" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F63_01D0B583.F9874740 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I confused things a couple of weeks ago, but I have recanted: I don't have a deluxe or twin cam, I only have a 1622 which has the regular disks up front. From the picture that you provided, which matches my own, the regular 1600 doesn't have any shims; the deluxe does and they are part of the Dunlop brakes. crk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:14 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Additionally, see here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/books/wsm/wsm_k_front_susp.pdf Look at section KKK.3 for info on the shimming. CR On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I've got the manual and I didn't see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. Clayton From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. CR On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Returning to our story.. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don't understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ TIA, Clayton _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0F63_01D0B583.F9874740 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know I confused things a couple of weeks ago, = but I have recanted: I don’t have a deluxe or twin cam, I only = have a 1622 which has the regular disks up front. From the picture that = you provided, which matches my own, the regular 1600 doesn’t have = any shims; the deluxe does and they are part of the Dunlop = brakes.

 

crk

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson = [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:14 = AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

Additionally, see here: http://= mgaguru.com/mgtech/books/wsm/wsm_k_front_susp.pdf

Look at = section KKK.3 for info on the shimming.

CR

On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

I believe there are no = shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post = from someone. I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything = about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely = such a large shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] =
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension = issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims = out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the = shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim = thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in = various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to = arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop = manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the = wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly = crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings = in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three = into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two = spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. = Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I = agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The = second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two = bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was = flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I = don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter = inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is = this supposed to be inside??

 

At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton





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------=_NextPart_000_0F63_01D0B583.F9874740-- --===============1151455628284541537== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1151455628284541537==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 12:40:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FBF259075D for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B6E25906E1 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nugn1q0063YHaqt01ugnea; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:40:48 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596D391.305@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:40:46 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUAl4u7+ICCHT/up0B7gmQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5930907846258286342== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F74_01D0B585.1A460A60" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F74_01D0B585.1A460A60 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have all of the pieces. The relevant pieces are the hub, inner spacer, and two bearings, no shims. The hub is supposed to have shoulders so the bearings are limited to how far they go in. What has been discussed in the past is that the bearings should bind against the inner spacer, therefore before one or both of the bearing are seated against the hub inner shoulders. The machinist says he pressed the bearing until he hit the shoulders. Therefore, the inner spacer is flopping around inside with tons of endplay. crk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:25 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues You might want to look at the KK.3 parts exploded view to see if you have all the parts in your hubs. CR On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post from someone. I've got the manual and I didn't see anything about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim requirement. Clayton From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Sounds like you've left the shims out. The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer. The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa. The shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to arrive at the proper end play. Suggest you buy the factory shop manual and read up on it. CR On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Returning to our story.. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don't understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be inside?? At this point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++ TIA, Clayton _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0F74_01D0B585.1A460A60 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have all of the pieces. The relevant pieces = are the hub, inner spacer, and two bearings, no shims. The hub is = supposed to have shoulders so the bearings are limited to how far they = go in. What has been discussed in the past is that the bearings should = bind against the inner spacer, therefore before one or both of the = bearing are seated against the hub inner shoulders. The machinist says = he pressed the bearing until he hit the shoulders. Therefore, the inner = spacer is flopping around inside with tons of = endplay.

 

crk

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson = [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:25 = AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

You might want to look at the KK.3 parts = exploded view to see if you have all the parts in your = hubs.

CR

On 7/3/2015 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

I believe there are no = shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, according to a previous post = from someone. I’ve got the manual and I didn’t see anything = about shims. The slop on that inner spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely = such a large shim requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] =
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension = issues

 

Sounds like you've left the shims = out.  The end play of the bearings is set by the thickness of the = shims between the bearings and the spacer.  The more shim = thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The shims come in = various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine i order to = arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the factory shop = manual and read up on it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Returning to our story…. The consensus for the = wire wheel hubs was that the inner and outer bearings were to tightly = crimp the single-chamfered spacer between them by pressing the bearings = in. That makes the three pieces essentially one, strengthing the three = into one, eliminating any side forces on the bearings. I took my two = spindles and associated bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. = Guy says that the outer bearing was loose in its proper placement and I = agree. He said the solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The = second spindle, however, is a different story: he pressed the two = bearing in to their limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was = flopping around inside, absolutely not crimped in place. He and I = don’t understand this problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter = inch thick spacer that I read as being outside of the bearings. Or is = this supposed to be inside??

 

At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on sale:<)++++

 

TIA,

 

Clayton





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http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224

I looked more carefully.  There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check in.

CR

On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Um, Charley, that’s a nice picture of a plane, but I don’t think it has the shims you speak of:<)))

 



--------------040509050103090507000806-- --===============9189896602175037914== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9189896602175037914==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 14:40:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8AF258D4B4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C37258617F for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nwfz1q00A3YHaqt01wgBWq; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:40:20 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> <0f5d01d0b5bd$79c90d10$6d5b2730$@godblessthe.us> <5596EC72.6000104@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:39:51 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUAl4u7+IBgxmPTAEI14yBATanLNqc9D6P0A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3702026153305897181== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01D0B595.CAA8D080" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01D0B595.CAA8D080 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. From what I've learned here, one of the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn't shown in the picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam. crk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Argh! Here's the intended page: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224 I looked more carefully. There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam. Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA. It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals. I wish Barney would check in. CR On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Um, Charley, that's a nice picture of a plane, but I don't think it has the shims you speak of:<))) ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01D0B595.CAA8D080 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yep. From what I’ve learned here, one of = the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe = and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the = Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn’t shown in the = picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for = the deluxe and twin cam.

 

crk

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson = [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 = PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

Argh!  Here's the intended = page:

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D292= 24

I looked more carefully.  There is a different = spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin = Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It looks like = the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA = 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check = in.

CR

On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Um, Charley, = that’s a nice picture of a plane, but I don’t think it has = the shims you speak of:<)))

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01D0B595.CAA8D080-- --===============3702026153305897181== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3702026153305897181==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 15:41:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC6F2592AD9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19C3325916A8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 13133 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2015 21:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2015 21:41:32 -0000 Received: from box522.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.122]) by CMOut01 with id nxX51q00Y2f2jeq01xX8yF; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:31:10 -0600 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:117 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=zo8hvysWAAAA:8 a=PH27ZC4J-VgA:10 a=LrUBABMZgYgA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=hs8umJ0gVn68P8DJ0LgA:9 a=9cNnO6OQM_jf4JEC:21 a=n5O3CyJ5PkkUDS_B:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=o8hDQ0G7OvMA:10 a=89G9JsjM-FxPEVBG2IQA:9 a=tTT9GLAoD8c53nYS:21 a=rNzpomtoGefGh6vb:21 a=dG6jLXYu17zXk8bz:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=default; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:From:To:Date; bh=ydVaUN848GWcLpP7b1aA7pnG5Af0O30GBa2Q+0dCYuI=; b=exT/u2kTEk1X6C91T081wZBw9OEZ+o/4qUwGdUvWzZBnHvcwSGDVr5SFFiiAaC+Qb/jwrq6dBn3DFqAp14tQIwh93b+eG2kolhzKs8CiCKgHioXJkNupiHZl19h7pLMY; Received: from [64.134.236.55] (port=52690 helo=BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) by box522.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZB8i6-0000Ch-ID; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:41:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:41:11 -0600 To: crk@godblessthe.us, References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> <0f5d01d0b5bd$79c90d10$6d5b2730$@godblessthe.us> <5596EC72.6000104@ktc.com> <002201d0b5d0$7706e530$6514af90$@godblessthe.us> {sentby:smtp auth 64.134.236.55 authed with barneymg@mgaguru.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2844691334899005259== boundary="=====================_433658968==.ALT" --=====================_433658968==.ALT As requested, checking in. The MGA Twin Cam cars and the "Deluxe" cars with pin drive steel wheels and Dunlop all wheel disc brakes use tapered rolller bearings up front and do require shims. The MGA 1500, 1600 and 1600-MK-II with Lockheed brakes all use ball bearings in the front hubs. These do not use shims. Distance between shoulders in the rotating hub is eactly same as length of the inner race spacer. This holds inner and outer bearing races exactly same distance apart when the spindle nut is tight. Internal bearing clearance is then a function of quality of construction of the ball bearings. If the bearings are loose they need to be replaced. If the outer races get loose in the rotating hub thebn the hub needs to be replaced. If wear in the hub bore is not too bad, you might set the bearings into the hub with Loctite 620 bearing set adhesive. The adhesive may require heat for future disassembly. With inner race spacer in place, and both bearings pressed in with outer races firmly against the hub shoulders, the inner races should touch the spacer. Since there is a bit of internal clearance in the bearings, the spacer may move around. If you squeeze the inner races together with the spacer, this shoud hold the spacer in suspension. If there is clearance between inner races and the spacer when pressed together, then there is a mismatch of parts (spacer length not matching distance between shoulders of the hub). I don't have parts in hand to measure at the moment. Perhaps someone can measure and post length of the inner race spacer for reference. Barney (in Utah today). At 01:39 PM 7/3/2015 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: >.... >Yep. From what I've learned here, one of the big differences between >a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the >brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking >which do require the shims. It isn't shown in the picture you >quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the >deluxe and twin cam. > >crk >From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] >Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM >To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues > >.... Here's the intended page: >http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224 > >I looked more carefully. There is a different spacer, outer bearing >& the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam. > >Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA. It looks like the Mk.II >DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in >most of the manuals. I wish Barney would check in. > >CR --=====================_433658968==.ALT As requested, checking in.

The MGA Twin Cam cars and the "Deluxe" cars  with pin drive steel wheels and Dunlop all wheel disc brakes use tapered rolller bearings up front and do require shims.

The MGA 1500, 1600 and 1600-MK-II with Lockheed brakes all use ball bearings in the front hubs.  These do not use shims.  Distance between shoulders in the rotating hub is eactly same as length of the inner race spacer.  This holds inner and outer bearing races exactly same distance apart when the spindle nut is tight.  Internal bearing clearance is then a function of quality of construction of the ball bearings.  If the bearings are loose they need to be replaced.  If the outer races get loose in the rotating hub thebn the hub needs to be replaced.  If wear in the hub bore is not too bad, you might set the bearings into the hub with Loctite 620 bearing set adhesive.  The adhesive may require heat for future disassembly.

With inner race spacer in place, and both bearings pressed in with outer races firmly against the hub shoulders, the inner races should touch the spacer.  Since there is a bit of internal clearance in the bearings, the spacer may move around.  If you squeeze the inner races together with the spacer, this shoud hold the spacer in suspension.  If there is clearance between inner races and the spacer when pressed together, then there is a mismatch of parts (spacer length not matching distance between shoulders of the hub).

I don't have parts in hand to measure at the moment.  Perhaps someone can measure and post length of the inner race spacer for reference.

Barney (in Utah today).



At 01:39 PM 7/3/2015 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:
....
Yep. From what I’ve learned here, one of the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn’t shown in the picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam.
 
crk


From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [ mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues
 
.... Here's the intended page:
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224

I looked more carefully.  There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check in.

CR
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What started all of this is at = high highway speeds, I=E2=80=99d get a bit of shimmy and knocking. In = the Land Rover West Coast list, I got infected with Nigel=E2=80=99s = disease, whereby if I have a problem and go to fix it, another problem = presents itself ad infinitum. So I took the knock off wire wheels off = and bought a complete suspension kit from Moss. To put some of the new = parts on, I had to remove the hub (specifically for the new oil seal). = In doing that, one hub came off with both bearings attached to the hub = with the spacer inside flopping around. This is the side the machinist = pressed the bearings in until the hit the =E2=80=9Csupposed=E2=80=9D = shoulder inside the hub. After he was done, the inner spacer still = flopped around. The other hub came off with the inner bearing staying = with the spindle. He started to press this inner bearing back in, but it = was sloppy and kind of slipped in, and therefore I have to buy a new hub = and bits. The manual says that the bearing may not come out with the = hub. It also says that the bearings shouldn=E2=80=99t be removed unless = absolutely necessary as it causes wear as the bearing come in and out. = In the process, I found that neither front brake caliper seemed to work: = the pistons wouldn=E2=80=99t move manually and trying to move them = deeper was too difficult. The whole cylinder looked kind of welded to = the piston, the disk looked like it hadn=E2=80=99t seen action on either = side. I then also measured the thickness and it is under spec, so new = parts all around for brakes. Then the top and bottom swivels = weren=E2=80=99t wide enough, when trying to press out those bearing, so = let=E2=80=99s buy some really expensive swivels. Nigel=E2=80=99s = disease: find one problem and then find more, and more=E2=80=A6 =20 Clayton =20 From: Max Heim [mailto:mvheim@sonic.net]=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:03 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues =20 I have to concur with your lack of confidence in this machinist. But = I=E2=80=99m struck by the fact that the problem manifests differently on = either side. That=E2=80=99s why I asked if you might possibly have = mismatched parts. Was this a running car? What was the symptom that made = you disassemble the hubs? =20 =20 -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires And now 67 MGB GHN3U137949G Old English White, off-premises for restoration =20 On Jul 3, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Clayton Kirkwood http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: = = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com =20 _______________________________________________ =20 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: = = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com =20 _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: = = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01D0B5A3.69169A10 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The car=E2=80=99s been running for years. What started all of this is = at high highway speeds, I=E2=80=99d get a bit of shimmy and knocking. In = the Land Rover West Coast list, I got infected with Nigel=E2=80=99s = disease, whereby if I have a problem and go to fix it, another problem = presents itself ad infinitum. So I took the knock off wire wheels off = and bought a complete suspension kit from Moss. To put some of the new = parts on, I had to remove the hub (specifically for the new oil seal). = In doing that, one hub came off with both bearings attached to the hub = with the spacer inside flopping around. This is the side the machinist = pressed the bearings in until the hit the =E2=80=9Csupposed=E2=80=9D = shoulder inside the hub. After he was done, the inner spacer still = flopped around. The other hub came off with the inner bearing staying = with the spindle. He started to press this inner bearing back in, but it = was sloppy and kind of slipped in, and therefore I have to buy a new hub = and bits. The manual says that the bearing may not come out with the = hub. It also says that the bearings shouldn=E2=80=99t be removed unless = absolutely necessary as it causes wear as the bearing come in and out. = In the process, I found that neither front brake caliper seemed to work: = the pistons wouldn=E2=80=99t move manually and trying to move them = deeper was too difficult. The whole cylinder looked kind of welded to = the piston, the disk looked like it hadn=E2=80=99t seen action on either = side. I then also measured the thickness and it is under spec, so new = parts all around for brakes. Then the top and bottom swivels = weren=E2=80=99t wide enough, when trying to press out those bearing, so = let=E2=80=99s buy some really expensive swivels. Nigel=E2=80=99s = disease: find one problem and then find more, and = more=E2=80=A6

 

Clayton

 

From:<= /b> = Max Heim [mailto:mvheim@sonic.net]
Sent: Friday, July 03, = 2015 1:03 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
Subject: Re: = [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension = issues

 

I have to = concur with your lack of confidence in this machinist. But I=E2=80=99m = struck by the fact that the problem manifests differently on either = side. That=E2=80=99s why I asked if you might possibly have mismatched = parts. Was this a running car? What was the symptom that made you = disassemble the hubs?

 

 

--

Max = Heim

'66 MGB = GHN3L76149

If you're near Menlo Park, = CA,

it's the primer red one with = chrome wires

And now 67 MGB = GHN3U137949G

Old English White, off-premises = for restoration

 

On Jul 3, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Clayton Kirkwood <crk@godblessthe.us> = wrote:

 

I took both sides in to the machinist; one side had a bearing in but = the other bearing came out along with the then free inner spacer with = the chamfered end. The other hub came out intact, but the inner spacer = was flopping around between the bearings. The first hub, he pressed the = bearings back in fully to the shoulder, so he says, but the inner spacer = was still floppy inside. On the second hub, he inserted the inner spacer = and then tried to press in the free bearing but it wasn=E2=80=99t snug: = the bearing was easily slipping in and out of the hub. He said this hub = needed to be completely replaced. I don=E2=80=99t have the greatest = confidence in this guy, I don=E2=80=99t know if he tried to press this = second bearing in all the way where it may be snug, or he may have just = inserted the bearing into the hub and initially it was loose and he = assumed pressing the bearing in all the way would still be loose. Since = this bearing came out when I removed the hub from the spindle, I think = it reasonable that it wasn=E2=80=99t going to be tight all the way in on = the spindle, otherwise, it would have stayed in the = hub.

So one side the bearing won=E2=80=99t go up tight to the inner spacer, = and the second side=E2=80=99s bearing won=E2=80=99t press in tight in = the hub.

 

crk

 

From:<= /b> = Max Heim [mailto:mvheim@sonic.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:00 = PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Mgs] follow up = on mga 1622 suspension = issues

 

You mention a second spindle. Are you saying that this = problem only exists on one side?

 

--

=

Max = Heim

'66 MGB = GHN3L76149

If you're near Menlo = Park, CA,

it's the primer red = one with chrome wires

And now 67 MGB = GHN3U137949G

Old English White, = off-premises for = restoration

 

On Jul 3, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

 

I have all of the pieces. The relevant pieces are the hub, inner = spacer, and two bearings, no shims. The hub is supposed to have = shoulders so the bearings are limited to how far they go in. What has = been discussed in the past is that the bearings should bind against the = inner spacer, therefore before one or both of the bearing are seated = against the hub inner shoulders. The machinist says he pressed the = bearing until he hit the shoulders. Therefore, the inner spacer is = flopping around inside with tons of = endplay.

 

crk

 

From:<= /b> = Charley = & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:25 = AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on = mga 1622 suspension = issues

 =

You might = want to look at the KK.3 parts exploded view to see if you have all the = parts in your hubs.

CR

On 7/3/2015 = 11:55 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

I believe there are no shims on the MGA like there are on the MGB, = according to a previous post from someone. I=E2=80=99ve got the manual = and I didn=E2=80=99t see anything about shims. The slop on that inner = spacer is around 3/8 inch, unlikely such a large shim = requirement.

 

Clayton

 

From:<= /b> = Charley = & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:12 = AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject:<= span class=3Dapple-converted-space> Re: [Mgs] follow up on = mga 1622 suspension = issues

 =

Sounds like = you've left the shims out.  The end play of the bearings is set by = the thickness of the shims between the bearings and the spacer.  = The more shim thickness, the less end play and vice-versa.  The = shims come in various thicknesses, you select the thicknesses to combine = i order to arrive at the proper end play.

Suggest you buy the = factory shop manual and read up on = it.

CR

On 7/2/2015 = 2:50 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Returning to = our story=E2=80=A6. The consensus for the wire wheel hubs was that the = inner and outer bearings were to tightly crimp the single-chamfered = spacer between them by pressing the bearings in. That makes the three = pieces essentially one, strengthing the three into one, eliminating any = side forces on the bearings. I took my two spindles and associated = bearings and center spacer to the machine shop. Guy says that the outer = bearing was loose in its proper placement and I agree. He said the = solution was a new spindle and bearings. Ok. The second spindle, = however, is a different story: he pressed the two bearing in to their = limit shoulders and the inner spacer still was flopping around inside, = absolutely not crimped in place. He and I don=E2=80=99t understand this = problem. Any insight??? There is a quarter inch thick spacer that I read = as being outside of the bearings. Or is this supposed to be = inside??

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At this = point, it looks like I will be ordering both spindle and bearings. = Fortunately, Moss has the parts on = sale:<)++++

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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01D0B5A3.69169A10-- --===============1964653016496715203== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1964653016496715203==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 18:33:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6A42584AAB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B332584661 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.35]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id o0Zk1q00K0lqijm010ZkrW; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:33:45 -0400 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:117 a=lts7gUrxnrpX+R4oToHrEg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=FvAEXBeo5g4A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=pJTeZVvJAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=EgX3oDhKJRhHSsmjLZkA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=qUrBwv1jfkcA:10 a=o8hDQ0G7OvMA:10 a=h4GZV9Cc6w8ErxH8oTAA:9 a=KJW4H16osqyW8c2E:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:33:37 -0500 Organization: Computer Helpers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: crk@godblessthe.us, mgs@autox.team.net References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> <0f5d01d0b5bd$79c90d10$6d5b2730$@godblessthe.us> <5596EC72.6000104@ktc.com> <002201d0b5d0$7706e530$6514af90$@godblessthe.us> Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6589381458674791551== boundary="------------010703090703000309060308" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010703090703000309060308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found this thread on MGE : http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?2,2109993 Post #11 is from Barney Gaylord. It has a link to the Dunlop brake section KKK. Looks like if you have tapered roller bearings, you need the shims. If the spacer in one of your hubs is rattling around 3/8", it may not be the right spacer. I've been trying to help. Sorry for the confusion on the link to the airplane. CR On 7/3/2015 3:39 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > Yep. From what I’ve learned here, one of the big differences between a > 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. > Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do > require the shims. It isn’t shown in the picture you quoted, but below > in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam. > > crk > > *From:*Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM > *To:* crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues > > Argh! Here's the intended page: > > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224 > > I looked more carefully. There is a different spacer, outer bearing & > the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam. > > Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA. It looks like the Mk.II > DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in > most of the manuals. I wish Barney would check in. > > CR > > On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: > > Um, Charley, that’s a nice picture of a plane, but I don’t think > it has the shims you speak of:<))) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------010703090703000309060308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found this thread on  MGE :  http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?2,2109993

Post #11 is from Barney Gaylord.  It has a link to the Dunlop brake section KKK.  Looks like if you have tapered roller bearings, you need the shims.  If the spacer in one of your hubs is rattling around 3/8", it may not be the right spacer. 
I've been trying to help.  Sorry for the confusion on the link to the airplane.

CR



On 7/3/2015 3:39 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Yep. From what I’ve learned here, one of the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn’t shown in the picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam.

 

crk

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues

 

Argh!  Here's the intended page:

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224

I looked more carefully.  There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check in.

CR

On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Um, Charley, that’s a nice picture of a plane, but I don’t think it has the shims you speak of:<)))

 

 

 



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--------------010703090703000309060308-- --===============6589381458674791551== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6589381458674791551==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 18:55:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C492584CEB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E32258472E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:54:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id o0uU1q00F3YHaqt010ua3P; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:54:40 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> <0f5d01d0b5bd$79c90d10$6d5b2730$@godblessthe.us> <5596EC72.6000104@ktc.com> <002201d0b5d0$7706e530$6514af90$@godblessthe.us> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 17:54:24 -0700 Thread-Index: AdC12QdfhCxXVcTYS36w0Q0/fXg/hgAEKU4A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1343910154725229918== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B5B9.5261C220" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B5B9.5261C220 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your description is as I understand things. I did some measurements and a few comments about them. I used a caliper gauge with inner and outer depth as well as length abilities, accurate to .01 inches. My depth gauge wasn't long enough to measure the entire length of the hub but I could measure length from inner end of hub to outer bearing pressed all the way in to the shoulder and can provide all numbers. As follows: Depth from outer end of hub to shoulder: 3.25 Depth from inner end of hub to inner shoulder: 1.1 Depth from inner end of hub to outer shoulder and outer bearing race: 3.125 Length of chamfered spacer: 2 With these numbers, I come up with total length of 3.25 + 3.125 = 6.375. >From shoulder to shoulder the length is 6.375 - 1.1 - 3.25 =2.025. This is slightly longer than the length of the spacer. Also, the spacer has a chamfer and the inner race is rounded. Combined, this provides more slop. When I had both bearings in to the shoulder the spacer flopped around with much more than the numbers above suggest, maybe .25 inch. I couldn't perceive much movement of the inner races from the outer races (side thrust movement), I am sure there is enough give there, so when the nut is tightened the washer pushes against that inner race of the outer bearing helping to tighten things up. I inspected the inner spacers and they didn't show any wear, the ends still looked machined and not worn. I know of some instances when engineers allow the outer race to rotate freely, but I don't believe this to be one of those situation. The inside of the both ends still have the micro machining of circles, but none of the bearing outer races seem worn by the machining, although it is perfectly possible that they have been very smoothly worn down allowing the movement. The manual suggests that these bearing are supposed to be tight: don't remove bearing unless absolutely necessary. Unfortunately, I don't know what parts to replace. As you suggest below, maybe using an adhesive will help, but I don't know what the tolerances should be to ensure success. The one outer bearing I can get to show wear. The one spindle I looked at showed some wear on the inner race face especially on one side. Moss doesn't have any spindles and I am tired of buying expensive parts. Clayton From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:barneymg@mgaguru.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 2:41 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues As requested, checking in. The MGA Twin Cam cars and the "Deluxe" cars with pin drive steel wheels and Dunlop all wheel disc brakes use tapered rolller bearings up front and do require shims. The MGA 1500, 1600 and 1600-MK-II with Lockheed brakes all use ball bearings in the front hubs. These do not use shims. Distance between shoulders in the rotating hub is eactly same as length of the inner race spacer. This holds inner and outer bearing races exactly same distance apart when the spindle nut is tight. Internal bearing clearance is then a function of quality of construction of the ball bearings. If the bearings are loose they need to be replaced. If the outer races get loose in the rotating hub thebn the hub needs to be replaced. If wear in the hub bore is not too bad, you might set the bearings into the hub with Loctite 620 bearing set adhesive. The adhesive may require heat for future disassembly. With inner race spacer in place, and both bearings pressed in with outer races firmly against the hub shoulders, the inner races should touch the spacer. Since there is a bit of internal clearance in the bearings, the spacer may move around. If you squeeze the inner races together with the spacer, this shoud hold the spacer in suspension. If there is clearance between inner races and the spacer when pressed together, then there is a mismatch of parts (spacer length not matching distance between shoulders of the hub). I don't have parts in hand to measure at the moment. Perhaps someone can measure and post length of the inner race spacer for reference. Barney (in Utah today). At 01:39 PM 7/3/2015 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: .... Yep. From what I've learned here, one of the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn't shown in the picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam. crk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [ mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues .... Here's the intended page: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224 I looked more carefully. There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam. Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA. It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals. I wish Barney would check in. CR ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B5B9.5261C220 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Your description is as I understand things. I did some measurements and = a few comments about them.

I used a caliper gauge with inner and outer depth as well as length = abilities, accurate to .01 inches. My depth gauge wasn’t long = enough to measure the entire length of the hub but I could measure = length from inner end of hub to outer bearing pressed all the way in to = the shoulder and can provide all numbers. As = follows:

Depth from outer end of hub to shoulder: 3.25

Depth from inner end of hub to inner shoulder: = 1.1

Depth from inner end of hub to outer shoulder and outer bearing race: = 3.125

Length of chamfered spacer: 2

 

With these numbers, I come up with total length of 3.25 + 3.125 =3D = 6.375. From shoulder to shoulder the length is 6.375 – 1.1 – = 3.25 =3D2.025. This is slightly longer than the length of the spacer. = Also, the spacer has a chamfer and the inner race is rounded. Combined, = this provides more slop. When I had both bearings in to the shoulder the = spacer flopped around with much more than the numbers above suggest, = maybe .25 inch. I couldn’t perceive much movement of the inner = races from the outer races (side thrust movement), I am sure there is = enough give there, so when the nut is tightened the washer pushes = against that inner race of the outer bearing helping to tighten things = up.

I inspected the inner spacers and they didn’t show any wear, the = ends still looked machined and not worn.

I know of some instances when engineers allow the outer race to rotate = freely, but I don’t believe this to be one of those situation. The = inside of the both ends still have the micro machining of circles, but = none of the bearing outer races seem worn by the machining, although it = is perfectly possible that they have been very smoothly worn down = allowing the movement. The manual suggests that these bearing are = supposed to be tight: don’t remove bearing unless absolutely = necessary.

 

Unfortunately, I don’t know what parts to replace. As you suggest = below, maybe using an adhesive will help, but I don’t know what = the tolerances should be to ensure success. The one outer bearing I can = get to show wear. The one spindle I looked at showed some wear on the = inner race face especially on one side. Moss doesn’t have any = spindles and I am tired of buying expensive = parts.

 

Clayton

 

From:<= /b> = Barney Gaylord [mailto:barneymg@mgaguru.com]
Sent: Friday, = July 03, 2015 2:41 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

As = requested, checking in.

The MGA Twin Cam cars and the = "Deluxe" cars  with pin drive steel wheels and Dunlop all = wheel disc brakes use tapered rolller bearings up front and do require = shims.

The MGA 1500, 1600 and 1600-MK-II with Lockheed brakes all = use ball bearings in the front hubs.  These do not use shims.  = Distance between shoulders in the rotating hub is eactly same as length = of the inner race spacer.  This holds inner and outer bearing races = exactly same distance apart when the spindle nut is tight.  = Internal bearing clearance is then a function of quality of construction = of the ball bearings.  If the bearings are loose they need to be = replaced.  If the outer races get loose in the rotating hub thebn = the hub needs to be replaced.  If wear in the hub bore is not too = bad, you might set the bearings into the hub with Loctite 620 bearing = set adhesive.  The adhesive may require heat for future = disassembly.

With inner race spacer in place, and both bearings = pressed in with outer races firmly against the hub shoulders, the inner = races should touch the spacer.  Since there is a bit of internal = clearance in the bearings, the spacer may move around.  If you = squeeze the inner races together with the spacer, this shoud hold the = spacer in suspension.  If there is clearance between inner races = and the spacer when pressed together, then there is a mismatch of parts = (spacer length not matching distance between shoulders of the = hub).

I don't have parts in hand to measure at the moment.  = Perhaps someone can measure and post length of the inner race spacer for = reference.

Barney (in Utah today).



At 01:39 PM = 7/3/2015 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

....
Yep. From what I’ve learned here, one of = the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe = and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the = Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn’t shown in the = picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for = the deluxe and twin cam.
 
crk




From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [ mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] =
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues
 
.... = Here's the intended page:
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D292= 24

I looked more carefully.  There is a different = spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin = Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It looks like = the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA = 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check = in.

CR

------=_NextPart_000_0074_01D0B5B9.5261C220-- --===============1343910154725229918== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1343910154725229918==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 3 19:19:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B752593579 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE262584D2A for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa09-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id o1Je1q00E3YHaqt011JjFA; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:18:49 -0700 To: References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> <0f5d01d0b5bd$79c90d10$6d5b2730$@godblessthe.us> <5596EC72.6000104@ktc.com> <002201d0b5d0$7706e530$6514af90$@godblessthe.us> <559729E1.5040601@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:18:34 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUAl4u7+IBgxmPTAEI14yBATanLNoCbcNxkwHFHjndnNL13BA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1397488407682893121== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0B5BC.B246D510" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0B5BC.B246D510 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem. Confusion is always entertaining, especially when it has pictures:<)))) Again, I don't have a KKK or deluxe twin cam, I have a mkII which is a KK. crk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:34 PM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues I found this thread on MGE : http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?2,2109993 Post #11 is from Barney Gaylord. It has a link to the Dunlop brake section KKK. Looks like if you have tapered roller bearings, you need the shims. If the spacer in one of your hubs is rattling around 3/8", it may not be the right spacer. I've been trying to help. Sorry for the confusion on the link to the airplane. CR On 7/3/2015 3:39 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Yep. From what I've learned here, one of the big differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require the shims. It isn't shown in the picture you quoted, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam. crk From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Argh! Here's the intended page: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29224 I looked more carefully. There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam. Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA. It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals. I wish Barney would check in. CR On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: Um, Charley, that's a nice picture of a plane, but I don't think it has the shims you speak of:<))) _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0B5BC.B246D510 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No problem. Confusion is always entertaining, = especially when it has pictures:<)))) Again, I don’t have a KKK = or deluxe twin cam, I have a mkII which is a KK.

 

crk

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson = [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:34 = PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 = suspension issues

 

I found this thread on  MGE :  = http://www.mgexp.= com/phorum/read.php?2,2109993

Post #11 is from Barney = Gaylord.  It has a link to the Dunlop brake section KKK.  = Looks like if you have tapered roller bearings, you need the = shims.  If the spacer in one of your hubs is rattling around = 3/8", it may not be the right spacer. 
I've been trying to = help.  Sorry for the confusion on the link to the = airplane.

CR


On 7/3/2015 3:39 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs = wrote:

Yep. From what = I’ve learned here, one of the big differences between a 1600 and = 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. Up front, = the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require the = shims. It isn’t shown in the picture you quoted, but below in the = listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin = cam.

 

crk

 

From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com] =
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject:<= /b> Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension = issues

 

Argh!  Here's the intended = page:

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D292= 24

I looked more carefully.  There is a different = spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin = Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It looks like = the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA = 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check = in.

CR

On 7/3/2015 1:24 = PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Um, Charley, = that’s a nice picture of a plane, but I don’t think it has = the shims you speak of:<)))

 

 

 




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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0B5BC.B246D510-- --===============1397488407682893121== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1397488407682893121==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 4 05:46:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B3F25934DB for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 05:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E6D258018E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 05:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.98]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id oBjj1q00227uzMh01Bjjxe; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:43:43 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-322v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.101]) by resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id oBjj1q0022Azwqi01BjjDh; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:43:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:43:42 +0000 (UTC) To: crk@godblessthe.us References: <0df701d0b500$58889d40$0999d7c0$@godblessthe.us> <5596B44B.2090103@ktc.com> <0f1701d0b5b1$0b698d10$223ca730$@godblessthe.us> <5596CED9.4040408@ktc.com> <0f5d01d0b5bd$79c90d10$6d5b2730$@godblessthe.us> <5596EC72.6000104@ktc.com> <002201d0b5d0$7706e530$6514af90$@godblessthe.us> Thread-Topic: follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues Thread-Index: AQIc6l1NHAOmoi3pvH7M1zRg9rAz5AGQxRqUAl4u7+IBgxmPTAEI14yBATanLNqc9D6P0DufGj4T s=q20140121; t=1436010223; bh=wbHhb3q9j5c2HtsBvqsKvs5XAKB60JkFkbo67JqVqVY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hdjY/IgGpc1X4WXJjNRlgF7Msc9WEOO8k8hmJun+pUaiPCAIQv+8ncMu3Bc1Y/oSe PrqfM8XhNsn29/S+aFXCzICjUlGtwyRXYHAhLy411T+XyoMPawpylFKSrx+8eWEMw5 k+kt3C+gQ7RWYhuf+6icQ06WsBZFI9nK8G+tAJn8aJPjm7SWKxpOInuJm2P3Du7AO1 KdSJfYgdhU8d24E0dpxvgUX12xvuXzqGKzfqTtUQwi7ZQg5DDd3KeaEnpZ0VnmVGmj NsKmA/D8b09QLetCtnhUldt8/7wsTR/L8X7SqGt6g7H5dzbq5s9dH70ZGivioYC7mR Usr45HMNp9Z8Q== Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues From: Gordie Bird via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5294255513426989723== boundary="----=_Part_6228013_1131082946.1436010222320" ------=_Part_6228013_1131082946.1436010222320 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, the differences in the deluxe/twin cam and the 1600/1622 are all in t= he brakes (other than the motor in the twinkie). Deluxe/twinkie have dunlop= disks on all four corners and have a different master cyl. 1600/1622 have = Lockheed disks up front and drums in the rear. The "deluxe" was born when M= G discontinued the twin cam and still had a number of twin cam chassis left= over. They made no note at the time of which cars received the twin cam ch= assis'.=20 The Moss catalog has a section in the back specifically for the twin cam an= d deluxe which includes the braking system. Refer to that section to see wh= at parts are different. I have always had slop in the spacer inside of the = hub until the nut is tightened on my MKII. If your spindle has too much wea= r that the inner bearing race spins on it, you may be able to repair it wit= h a speedy sleeve.=20 HTH=20 Gordie Bird=20 '62 MGA=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs" =20 To: mgs@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 4:39:51 PM=20 Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues=20 Yep. From what I=E2=80=99ve learned here, one of the big differences betwee= n a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin cam, is the brakes. U= p front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking which do require t= he shims. It isn=E2=80=99t shown in the picture you quoted, but below in th= e listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twin cam.=20 crk=20 From: Charley & Peggy Robinson [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PM=20 To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues=20 Argh! Here's the intended page:=20 http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D29224=20 I looked more carefully. There is a different spacer, outer bearing & the s= hims for the Mk II DeLuxe & Twin Cam.=20 Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA. It looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had = a 1622cc engine but it's still located as a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals= . I wish Barney would check in.=20 CR=20 On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:=20 Um, Charley, that=E2=80=99s a nice picture of a plane, but I don=E2=80=99t = think it has the shims you speak of:<)))=20 _______________________________________________=20 Mgs@autox.team.net=20 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive=20 Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mg_garage@comcast.ne= t=20 ------=_Part_6228013_1131082946.1436010222320 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys, the differences in the deluxe/twin cam and the 1600/1622 are= all in the brakes (other than the motor in the twinkie).  Deluxe/twin= kie have dunlop disks on all four corners and have a different master cyl.&= nbsp; 1600/1622 have Lockheed disks up front and drums in the rear.  T= he "deluxe" was born when MG discontinued the twin cam and still had a numb= er of twin cam chassis left over.  They made no note at the time of wh= ich cars received the twin cam chassis'.
The Moss catalog has= a section in the back specifically for the twin cam and deluxe which inclu= des the  braking system.  Refer to that section to see what parts= are different.  I have always had slop in the spacer inside of the hu= b until the nut is tightened on my MKII.  If your spindle has too much= wear that the inner bearing race spins on it, you may be able to repair it= with a speedy sleeve.
HTH

Gordi= e Bird
'62 MGA


= From: "Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs" <mgs@autox.team.net>
To= : mgs@autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 4:39:51 PMSubject: Re: [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues
=

Yep. From what I=E2=80=99ve learned here, one of the big= differences between a 1600 and 1622 MkI and MkII v. the deluxe and twin ca= m, is the brakes. Up front, the deluxe and twin cam have the Dunlop braking= which do require the shims. It isn=E2=80=99t shown in the picture you quot= ed, but below in the listing, there are shims listed for the deluxe and twi= n cam.

 = ;

crk=

 

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Fro= m: Charley & Peggy Robinson= [mailto:ccrobins@ktc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 1:12 PMTo: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: = [Mgs] follow up on mga 1622 suspension issues

 

Argh!  Here's the intended page:


http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexI= D=3D29224

I looked more carefully.  There is a d= ifferent spacer, outer bearing & the shims for the Mk II DeLuxe & T= win Cam.

Trying to find the right MGA is a PITA.  It= looks like the Mk.II DeLuxe had a 1622cc engine but it's still located as = a MGA 1600 in most of the manuals.  I wish Barney would check in.
<= div>
CR

On 7/3/2015 1:24 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:

Um, Charley, that=E2=80=99s a nice = picture of a plane, but I don=E2=80=99t think it has the shims you speak of= :<)))

&nb= sp;

 

 


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Compare with the other side?  Or does that have = the same=20 problem?
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Your=20 description is as I understand things. I did some measurements and a = few=20 comments about them.

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Unfortunately,=20 I don=92t know what parts to = replace.

------=_NextPart_000_005D_01D0B7C5.26B8F400-- --===============5985749152809552871== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5985749152809552871==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 11 18:01:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102E82585AE0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE942580214 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Zeus ([204.14.99.199]) by p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id rC091q0024J6qWc01C09mz; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:00:10 -0700 To: , Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:00:11 -0700 Thread-Index: AdC8Mz1e5ynl7jAJRA2FvCnafuHHfQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] banjo axle breather dilemma From: dcouncill via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7584927864354410634== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01D0BBFB.0D202420" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D0BBFB.0D202420 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am working on the rear axle of a 64 MGB. After a routine check of the = car, I had noticed a small oil leak from the oil seals on both sides which = lead me to suspect pressure buildup due to a plugged breather. First sign of trouble was that I couldn=92t locate the breather because there wasn=92t = one with the hole buried under an oil/dirt buildup. I cleaned off the sludge = and located the breather hole and cleaned it out as best possible with the = axle in the car. Then I went to install Moss part 267-040 rear axle breather = but it wouldn=92t fit =96 too large. A check of Moss catalog shows it to be = the correct part for both banjo and Salisbury axles. The hole is threaded = but too small for a 5/16=94 bolt but too large for =BC=94. Also, the 5/16=94 = bolt fits just within the inner diameter of Moss part 267-040. =20 I happen to have a couple of spare banjo rear axles so I checked them = and both of them have the larger holes and the Moss part fits. However, they = are also wire wheel banjo axles whereas the one on the 64B is for disc = wheels. Does anyone have an idea what thread size this early banjo axle might be using? Or suggestions on how I can establish a vent with another part of some kind?=20 =20 David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D0BBFB.0D202420 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am = working on the rear axle of a 64 MGB. After a routine check of the car, = I had noticed a small oil leak from the oil seals on both sides which = lead me to suspect pressure buildup due to a plugged breather. First = sign of trouble was that I couldn’t locate the breather because = there wasn’t one with the hole buried under an oil/dirt buildup. I = cleaned off the sludge and located the breather hole and cleaned it out = as best possible with the axle in the car. Then I went to install Moss = part 267-040 rear axle breather but it wouldn’t fit – too = large. A check of Moss catalog shows it to be the correct part for both = banjo and Salisbury axles. The hole is threaded but too small for a = 5/16” bolt but too large for =BC”. Also, the 5/16” = bolt fits just within the inner diameter of Moss part = 267-040.

 

I happen to have a couple of spare banjo rear axles so = I checked them and both of them have the larger holes and the Moss part = fits. However, they are also wire wheel banjo axles whereas the one on = the 64B is for disc wheels. Does anyone have an idea what thread size = this early banjo axle might be using? Or suggestions on how I can = establish a vent with another part of some kind?

 

David = Councill

64 B

67 BGT

72 = B

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D0BBFB.0D202420-- --===============7584927864354410634== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7584927864354410634==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 11 18:15:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7487D258795D for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 902BC25846E0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:11:34 -0600 (MDT) t=1436659914; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=rzNM+/8amy6r970h9KJ7nDIsf6mQMx5IgikWygNYgZaFzaZWAm5ZLnWvc4PU+hBAE ZY5f7j73wMsrQxmanRq12A6ODBf0aL9WbYksu7QcWqTB4Mvm20qEap5Vf4X13GoQJF Y/3skPCzKxa43ZEYVY/vzTP6Jy9nocrxL67yculA= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABL4DNFNASAPVWJ for (sender ); Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.19.232] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:10:32 GMT Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:10:32 GMT To: dcouncill@karamursel.org Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] banjo axle breather dilemma From: mgbob--- via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6224806336297751030== ----__JWM__J7fc9f55b.7b917568S.51387d0eM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The vent holes in the axles of T-series cars are protected by the stra= p that secures brake line to the axle. It seems crude, but I can think o= f no complaints about dirt in the axle tube. If you can not find the= fitting that threads in, you might try covering the hole using a hose c= lamp, perhaps with a piece of scotch-brite to provide a bit better air p= ressure adjustment and dirt exclusion. = Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: dcouncill via Mgs To: , Subject: [Mgs] banjo axle breather dilemma Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:00:11 -0700 I am working on the rear axle of a 64 MGB. After a routine check of the = car, I had noticed a small oil leak from the oil seals on both sides whi= ch lead me to suspect pressure buildup due to a plugged breather. First = sign of trouble was that I couldn’t locate the breather because th= ere wasn’t one with the hole buried under an oil/dirt buildup. I c= leaned off the sludge and located the breather hole and cleaned it out a= s best possible with the axle in the car. Then I went to install Moss pa= rt 267-040 rear axle breather but it wouldn’t fit – too larg= e. A check of Moss catalog shows it to be the correct part for both banj= o and Salisbury axles. The hole is threaded but too small for a 5/16&rdq= uo; bolt but too large for =BC”. Also, the 5/16” bolt fits j= ust within the inner diameter of Moss part 267-040. = I happen to have a couple of spare banjo rear axles so I checked them an= d both of them have the larger holes and the Moss part fits. However, th= ey are also wire wheel banjo axles whereas the one on the 64B is for dis= c wheels. Does anyone have an idea what thread size this early banjo axl= e might be using? Or suggestions on how I can establish a vent with anot= her part of some kind? = David Councill 64 B 67 BGT 72 B ----__JWM__J7fc9f55b.7b917568S.51387d0eM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
  The vent holes in the axles of T-series cars are prote= cted by the strap that secures brake line to the axle. It seems crude, b= ut I can think of no complaints about dirt in the axle tube.   = ;
  If you can not find the fitting that threads in, you = might try covering the hole using a hose clamp, perhaps with a piece of = scotch-brite to provide a bit better air pressure adjustment and dirt ex= clusion. 
Bob

---------- Original Message --------= --
From: dcouncill via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
To: <mgs@= autox.team.net>, <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Mgs] ban= jo axle breather dilemma
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:00:11 -0700

I am working on the rear axle of a 64 MGB. After a routine c= heck of the car, I had noticed a small oil leak from the oil seals on bo= th sides which lead me to suspect pressure buildup due to a plugged brea= ther. First sign of trouble was that I couldn’t locate the breathe= r because there wasn’t one with the hole buried under an oil/dirt = buildup. I cleaned off the sludge and located the breather hole and clea= ned it out as best possible with the axle in the car. Then I went to ins= tall Moss part 267-040 rear axle breather but it wouldn’t fit &nda= sh; too large. A check of Moss catalog shows it to be the correct part f= or both banjo and Salisbury axles. The hole is threaded but too small fo= r a 5/16” bolt but too large for ¼”. Also, the 5/16&r= dquo; bolt fits just within the inner diameter of Moss part 267-040.

=

 

I happen to have= a couple of spare banjo rear axles so I checked them and both of them h= ave the larger holes and the Moss part fits. However, they are also wire= wheel banjo axles whereas the one on the 64B is for disc wheels. Does a= nyone have an idea what thread size this early banjo axle might be using= ? Or suggestions on how I can establish a vent with another part of some= kind?

 

David = Councill

64 B

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----__JWM__J7fc9f55b.7b917568S.51387d0eM-- --===============6224806336297751030== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6224806336297751030==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 12 12:43:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730E125855EF for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBDD2584B62 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:43:16 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=2KZbSLfKW4x5QBjLRCcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=r9WoOwDZSloA:10 a=I0wsP0/ub+0M/VQyKFHlEA==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [99.194.29.42] ([99.194.29.42:54486] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 62/6C-01159-A55B2A55; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:43:39 -0400 To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:43:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgs] banjo axle breather dilemma From: Eric J Russell via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am working on the rear axle of a 64 MGB. > The hole is threaded but too small for a 5/16? bolt but too large for ??. Is it possible the old breather broke off flush with the axle housing? Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 12 14:08:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396CC2584FBB for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883DB25845C3 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Zeus ([204.14.99.199]) by p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id rY8P1q0024J6qWc01Y8QUU; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:08:24 -0700 To: "'Eric J Russell'" , References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:08:23 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJFx82s8TMTQXRyUkAYaEZV4d0NrQFvhko5nOKw1OA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] banjo axle breather dilemma From: dcouncill via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Very much possible - in this case, that was the problem. I was able to remove it and the new breather piece is now installed. David Councill -----Original Message----- From: Eric J Russell [mailto:ejrussell@mebtel.net] Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 11:43 AM To: mgs@autox.team.net Cc: dcouncill@karamursel.org Subject: Re: [Mgs] banjo axle breather dilemma > I am working on the rear axle of a 64 MGB. > The hole is threaded but too small for a 5/16? bolt but too large for ??. Is it possible the old breather broke off flush with the axle housing? Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 13 15:18:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7861258810E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:18:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018D22580A1F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rxJD1q0022S2Q5R01xJxGn; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:18:57 +0000 Received: from [10.233.159.39] ([50.153.175.15]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rxJw1q00X0LJMkJ01xJxyE; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:18:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:18:55 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net s=q20140121; t=1436822337; bh=bUlPraPOoDY/gLEvAJ3ithIVuTloK/aM634B6FCOK+Q=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=uIPTFHgDUXD1oDHE1pjOU8nqPsG+DZ6H2HCHG/dUFvS0qSxaBN13um1u8+X+U6Pl+ PXoZDEK1Ii87QiH3b6mUyLsJW6wtBFvK1RoSFwwj2xxOfHZH3z9+vdvJCciTJXmFR0 lcTO0E9tWZ9mUNlT0pnPJZJK7bl/T3NiWcECqsb2ssc8jIklvOzrgkSpr/PBb+Mxfz dlHii021DcKYTSSTu0Mz+Q++W/GH6byKmBVYeehWXtEjizrX2K/GZ9mkA5is9Y8ue6 xNtrpmb8EaCz+YEbCjvu2wZy85Rb4KAbYDMdcusOu/4v530n9hnFulIYwJEKVG+uDK iC2+QhfD0WQtw== Subject: [Mgs] 1954 MG TF Robbins Top Installation From: Donald Joseph Toy via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net TGlzdGVycywKSSBjb3VsZCB1c2UgYSBsaXR0bGUgYWR2aWNlLiBJIGFtIGluIHRoZSBwcm9jZXNz IG9mIGluc3RhbGxpbmcgYSBuZXcgUm9iYmlucyB0b3Agb24gbXkgMTk1NCBURi4gSSByZWNvdmVy ZWQgdGhlIGhlYWRlciByYWlsIGFuZCBpdCB3ZW50IHNtb290aGx5LiBJIGFkZGVkIGEgbW9kZXJu IHdlYXRoZXJzdHJpcCB1bmRlciB0aGUgdmlueWwgZm9yIGFkZGl0aW9uYWwgd2VhdGhlciBwcm90 ZWN0aW9uICh0aGUgTUcgaGFzbuKAmXQgc2VlbiByYWluIGluIDQwIHllYXJzKS4gVGhlIHByb2Js ZW0gSSBhbSBoYXZpbmcgaXMgc2luY2UgUm9iYmlucyB0b3BzIGNvbWUgd2l0aCBubyBpbnN0cnVj dGlvbnMgYW5kIG5vdCBtdWNoIGluIHRoZSB3YXkgb2YgaW5zdGFsbGF0aW9uIGJpdHMgSSB3YXMg d29uZGVyaW5nIGhvdyBldmVyeW9uZSBlbHNlIG1ha2VzIHRoZSBhdHRhY2htZW50IGFyb3VuZCB0 aGUgYmFjayB3b29kZW4gc3RyaXBzLiBUaGUgbGFzdCB0b3Agd2FzIHNpbXBseSBzdGFwbGVkIG9u dG8gdGhlIHdvb2RlbiBzdHJpcHMuIEkgaGF2ZSBhdHRhY2hlZCBpdCBvbmNlIGFuZCBpdCBzZWVt cyBJIGhhdmUgbW9yZSBtYXRlcmlhbCBvbiBvbmUgc2lkZSBhbmQgaXTigJlzIHJlYWxseSBnb2lu ZyB0byBiZSBhIHN0cmV0Y2ggdG8gZ2V0IGVub3VnaCB0byBtYWtlIGl0IGZhciBlbm91Z2ggdG8g Z2V0IHVuZGVyIHRoZSBmaW5pc2hpbmcgc3RyaXAuSSBkaWQgcmVhZCB0aGF0IHNvbWUgcGVvcGxl IHdlcmUgZ29pbmcgdG8gSG9tZSBEZXBvdCBhbmQgcGlja2luZyB1cCBhIHNuYXAga2l0IGFuZCBp bnN0YWxsaW5nIHNuYXBzIGFsb25nIHRoZSB3b29kLiBXaXRoIGEgbmV3IHRvcCBJIHdhcyBob3Bp bmcgZm9yIGEgbXVjaCBiZXR0ZXIgZml0IGFueSBpdCBsb29rcyBsaWtlIEnigJltIGdvaW5nIHRv IGdldC4gSSBoYXZlIG1hZGUgc3VyZSB0aGF0IEkgbWFya2VyIHRoZSBtaWRkbGUgb2YgdGhlIHRv cCBhbmQgdGhlIGNhciBhdCBib3RoIGxvY2F0aW9ucyBmcm9udCBhbmQgYmFjay4gQW55IHRpcHMg d291bGQgYmUgZGVlcGx5IGFwcHJlY2lhdGVkLiBUaGFua3MgaW4gYWR2YW5jZS4KRG9uYWxkIEpv c2VwaCBUb3kKZG9udG95QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0CuKAnGFsbCBncmVhdCBtZW4gYXJlIGRlYWTigKZh bmQgSeKAmW0gbm90IGZlZWxpbmcgd2VsbCIKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpNZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKRG9uYXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3 LnRlYW0ubmV0L2RvbmF0ZS5odG1sClN1Z2dlc3RlZCBhbm51YWwgZG9uYXRpb24gICQxMi43NQpB cmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKRm9ydW1zOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRl YW0ubmV0L2ZvcnVtcwpVbnN1YnNjcmliZTogaHR0cDovL2F1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0L21haWxtYW4v b3B0aW9ucy9tZ3MvbWhhcmNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQK From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 07:10:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FE0258792E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0ED2580890 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:10:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.170.144.91] ([173.170.144.91:56772] helo=[192.168.0.10]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B0/34-22870-84A05A55; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:10:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:10:31 -0400 References: <143BB23B-F6F9-4A45-8E8D-3E9197436926@comcast.net> To: Donald Joseph Toy Cc: MGList List Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1954 MG TF Robbins Top Installation From: "W. David Houser via Mgs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net RG9uYWxkLApJIGhhdmUgaGFkIG15IFREIGZvciA1MCB5ZWFycyBub3cgYW5kIHdoZW4gSSByZXN0 b3JlZCBpdCBpbiAxOTY3LCBJIHB1dCBzbmFwcyBhcm91bmQgdGhlIGJhY2sgZWRnZS4gVGhpcyBo YXMgcHJvdmlkZWQgbWUgd2l0aCBhIHF1aWNrIHdheSBvZiBnZXR0aW5nIHRvIG15IGx1Z2dhZ2Ug YmVoaW5kIHRoZSBzZWF0cy4gSSBoYXZlIGFsc28gZGV2aXNlZCBhIGNhYnJpb2xldCB0b3AgYnkg Zm9sZGluZyB1cCB0aGUgcmVhciBvZiB0aGUgdG9wIGFuZCBzbmFwcGluZyB0aGUgZWRnZSBvbnRv IHNuYXBzIEkgaW5zdGFsbGVkIG9uIHRoZSB0b3AgZnJhbWUuIFRoaXMgd29ya3MgYmVhdXRpZnVs bHkgYW5kIGFsbG93cyBtZSB0byBrZWVwIHRoZSBzdW4gb2ZmIG15IGhlYWQgd2hpbGUgZW5qb3lp bmcgYSBmcmVlIGZsb3cgb2YgYWlyIHNpZGVzIGFuZCByZWFyLgpDaGVlcnMsCkRhdmUgSG91c2Vy CkJyb29rc3ZpbGxlLCBGTAo+IE9uIEp1bCAxMywgMjAxNSwgYXQgNToxOCBQTSwgRG9uYWxkIEpv c2VwaCBUb3kgdmlhIE1ncyA8bWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKPiAKPiBMaXN0ZXJz LAo+IEkgY291bGQgdXNlIGEgbGl0dGxlIGFkdmljZS4gSSBhbSBpbiB0aGUgcHJvY2VzcyBvZiBp bnN0YWxsaW5nIGEgbmV3IFJvYmJpbnMgdG9wIG9uIG15IDE5NTQgVEYuIEkgcmVjb3ZlcmVkIHRo ZSBoZWFkZXIgcmFpbCBhbmQgaXQgd2VudCBzbW9vdGhseS4gSSBhZGRlZCBhIG1vZGVybiB3ZWF0 aGVyc3RyaXAgdW5kZXIgdGhlIHZpbnlsIGZvciBhZGRpdGlvbmFsIHdlYXRoZXIgcHJvdGVjdGlv biAodGhlIE1HIGhhc27igJl0IHNlZW4gcmFpbiBpbiA0MCB5ZWFycykuIFRoZSBwcm9ibGVtIEkg YW0gaGF2aW5nIGlzIHNpbmNlIFJvYmJpbnMgdG9wcyBjb21lIHdpdGggbm8gaW5zdHJ1Y3Rpb25z IGFuZCBub3QgbXVjaCBpbiB0aGUgd2F5IG9mIGluc3RhbGxhdGlvbiBiaXRzIEkgd2FzIHdvbmRl cmluZyBob3cgZXZlcnlvbmUgZWxzZSBtYWtlcyB0aGUgYXR0YWNobWVudCBhcm91bmQgdGhlIGJh Y2sgd29vZGVuIHN0cmlwcy4gVGhlIGxhc3QgdG9wIHdhcyBzaW1wbHkgc3RhcGxlZCBvbnRvIHRo ZSB3b29kZW4gc3RyaXBzLiBJIGhhdmUgYXR0YWNoZWQgaXQgb25jZSBhbmQgaXQgc2VlbXMgSSBo YXZlIG1vcmUgbWF0ZXJpYWwgb24gb25lIHNpZGUgYW5kIGl04oCZcyByZWFsbHkgZ29pbmcgdG8g YmUgYSBzdHJldGNoIHRvIGdldCBlbm91Z2ggdG8gbWFrZSBpdCBmYXIgZW5vdWdoIHRvIGdldCB1 bmRlciB0aGUgZmluaXNoaW5nIHN0cmlwLkkgZGlkIHJlYWQgdGhhdCBzb21lIHBlb3BsZSB3ZXJl IGdvaW5nIHRvIEhvbWUgRGVwb3QgYW5kIHBpY2tpbmcgdXAgYSBzbmFwIGtpdCBhbmQgaW5zdGFs bGluZyBzbmFwcyBhbG9uZyB0aGUgd29vZC4gV2l0aCBhIG5ldyB0b3AgSSB3YXMgaG9waW5nIGZv ciBhIG11Y2ggYmV0dGVyIGZpdCBhbnkgaXQgbG9va3MgbGlrZSBJ4oCZbSBnb2luZyB0byBnZXQu IEkgaGF2ZSBtYWRlIHN1cmUgdGhhdCBJIG1hcmtlciB0aGUgbWlkZGxlIG9mIHRoZSB0b3AgYW5k IHRoZSBjYXIgYXQgYm90aCBsb2NhdGlvbnMgZnJvbnQgYW5kIGJhY2suIEFueSB0aXBzIHdvdWxk IGJlIGRlZXBseSBhcHByZWNpYXRlZC4gVGhhbmtzIGluIGFkdmFuY2UuCj4gRG9uYWxkIEpvc2Vw aCBUb3kKPiBkb250b3lAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQKPiDigJxhbGwgZ3JlYXQgbWVuIGFyZSBkZWFk4oCm YW5kIEnigJltIG5vdCBmZWVsaW5nIHdlbGwiCj4gCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiAKPiBNZ3NAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQKPiBEb25hdGU6 IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKPiBTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFsIGRvbmF0 aW9uICAkMTIuNzUKPiBBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L2FyY2hpdmUKPiBGb3J1 bXM6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZm9ydW1zCj4gVW5zdWJzY3JpYmU6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRv eC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMvbWdzL21nczRkYXZlQHRhbXBhYmF5LnJyLmNvbQoK X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KCk1nc0BhdXRv eC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2Vz dGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjc1CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQv YXJjaGl2ZQpGb3J1bXM6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZm9ydW1zClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlOiBo dHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL21ncy9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFt Lm5ldAo= From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 14 07:32:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA7E2588EA4 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:32:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A752588DC0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14AD386AF for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jQ390xCYzerB for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from HomePC (unknown [50.32.140.180]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EC2D523AC0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:32:49 +0000 (UTC) To: "MG List" References: <143BB23B-F6F9-4A45-8E8D-3E9197436926@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:15 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1954 MG TF Robbins Top Installation From: "S. 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Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:15:24 -0400 To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: Randy Widman via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Why does it look like the way the cable is configured, only the drivers side wheel will brake, not the passenger side? It has no compensator, only a rectangular box mtg. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 16 10:52:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215E02584D54 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5692584C8D for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SteveLenovo ([100.0.93.92]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MCaXc-1Z6OkC0uHa-009RUN; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:52:34 +0200 To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:52:39 -0400 Thread-Index: AdC/4x91etIrRzg3QM6uUrM24+t9YgAA3fRg 8nQ4Y1ncqa4q1bR0E9L4XkpblIlEUykP/gFOBaGPcHLefTi/TQ5XUce4goGriE9Q/k8TsYX cdummmMjZUDTe2MM2CveRy6wJbEdPhtBbXTkx1tCekkFRx0jX3aLl60+zQDLidH3+9CxnEi /dj3LjHEnJtFVQ3R6k6/w== 8PpFK6WiRahIpXpSySo+j53ih6Cve3ZyEFWsR/dX37Pa0yFnq5Xm0RuMoUNlFplQsJcFMLh/L 8I4AaVynGYeFHKE0tB6rSejERhUueFK6u9+101Dcks2SJebFyNpUHZ3qkj1Jee5cSGQmr8EcC e9KHkk7OOeVu9ZNd+SIxCAnsyo/XN3mDSWretbhu7moxWiObirzXrwazDsE1KprzQMjJzoMT3 HE0Qx3gVUQUHPhZBv9hpVHxAyu/ayLFHBlPLQok0MRwll+0HVNuJtRhZJ3Qy1JLuQ+qZ8E+Ns 5U4Vu1bjZPVnlEUMiESieNGYvVb1faChXGrzeYPqA0vK1OaYf8E1FOgFWHkD1E6L24djcMpo6 upbkqCQch21ILzl0HJ4jrp4u0eca6A2F2uIDtMmxK+vsS/lp50ONRu83QQwKrmZA2gre1VjCh Dte2DZVbbsLZRZt+BJ/gNUPg6jJ7f2XCrYMQQ1V4h9tVhxqsj6mlXSkKnyjlr1MK6vKrHEP1m yBgfcuiKlM5yMATRha9Fuv7VhYQRo0Onv0J5D4erM7okCqvF+9k0/biQe3TBVqNbIp+YzROlu BhNlu88fPBRHA/to14C/dIpcuaZdsf0ICKcmvPEVG6ISRiY/E9YSvym5NC+63zQegqiLc83Hq 4U3/vfXCQsDBxJtYjMwK4ZstlauGVRzrVDiTk/MDbNrL2yg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: Steve Shoyer via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The rectangular box is suspended rather than bolted to the car. Tightening the handbrake cable basically shortens the length of the cable between the handbrake levers on each rear brake, pulling them toward each other and distributing the force evenly. --Steve -----Original Message----- Subject: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake Why does it look like the way the cable is configured, only the drivers side wheel will brake, not the passenger side? It has no compensator, only a rectangular box mtg. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 17 01:24:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDD22585888 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C565E25846CA for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id tKLa1q00f4LtS4201KLboi; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:20:35 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ShVr-9RKqbqLZwh_cYAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 To: "Randy Widman" , References: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:16:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That 'box' should be attached to the left hand half of the axle casing by a rubber flap http://www.paulhunt73.webspace.virginmedia.com/mgb-stuff/images/handbrake2.jpg. The inner comes from there to the left hand brake, and that tends to pull the outer towards the left hand brake when the cabin lever is pulled up. But the 'box' also has a steel rod going to the right hand brake, so movement of the outer pulls that on as well, and equal force is applied to both brakes. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Why does it look like the way the cable is configured, only the drivers > side > wheel will brake, not the passenger side? It has no compensator, only a > rectangular box mtg. > _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 17 08:12:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097532587854 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153F0258504F for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.36]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id tS801q00B0n8P4201S80HD; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:08:00 -0400 a=HUf9M8gZhOx7NwL9sTEATg==:117 a=HUf9M8gZhOx7NwL9sTEATg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=xDn4ee4CKTYA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=nHunkrSSJhmGxWI26MAA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com References: To: Steve Shoyer , mgs@autox.team.net Organization: Computer Helpers Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:07:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That sounds intriguing. I have a '69 Tourer w/wire wheels. The cable for it doesn't have a rectangular box, AIR. The repro cable - from Moss yrs ago - was a tad too long. Moss called it specification drift, fer Pete's sake. The only way I've been able to keep the handbrake working is to keep the rear shoes pretty tight. I wonder if I could use the later cable. What does it look like? Pics? CR On 7/16/2015 11:52 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs wrote: > The rectangular box is suspended rather than bolted to the car. Tightening > the handbrake cable basically shortens the length of the cable between the > handbrake levers on each rear brake, pulling them toward each other and > distributing the force evenly. > > --Steve > > - _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 17 08:43:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5084825895A5 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D200F2587958 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id tSk01q0044LtS4201Sk0VU; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:44:00 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ZTDtmNAOcTAEOLyQ-DAA:9 a=jQEIhmsm5WU6CYfb:21 a=_KnkbYEkX20cP-2x:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 To: , References: <55A90C3E.9050503@ktc.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:42:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The 'box' only applies to 77 and later MGBs. Before that the outer ends at a pivoting lever on the diff casing, the inner extends to the left-hand wheel, and a short cable goes back from the right-hand wheel. Other than that both types work the same, i.e. the end of the outer moves to a position where the same force is applied to both brakes when the cabin lever is pulled up. I posted a link to a picture of the later system. There were no less than 10 handbrake cables for the MGB - banjo, Mk1 tube, Mk2 chrome, rubber bumper to September 76, and September 76 on, and each of these had variations for wire wheels and stud wheels. So plenty of scope for manufacturers getting it wrong. The first four pairs all vary in length and the last pair has the different compensation arrangement, as well as a different length to most if not all of the others. If yours is only slightly too long i.e. the cabin lever comes up too far and you have used up all the adjustment at the cabin lever end, you can clamp a spacer or 'shortener' onto the short cable at the compensation lever, between the nipple and where it comes out of the trunnion on the free end of the compensation lever http://www.paulhunt73.webspace.virginmedia.com/mgb-stuff/images/handbrake.jpg PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > That sounds intriguing. I have a '69 Tourer w/wire wheels. The cable for > it doesn't have a rectangular box, AIR. _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 17 09:12:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412422587C3F for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta55.windstream.net (pacmmta55.windstream.net [162.39.147.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0FD258494C for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.36]) by pacmmta55.windstream.net with pacmmta55 id tT771q00j0n8P4201T77wN; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:07:08 -0400 a=HUf9M8gZhOx7NwL9sTEATg==:117 a=HUf9M8gZhOx7NwL9sTEATg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=xDn4ee4CKTYA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=RpNjiQI2AAAA:8 a=76ctriUhAyZScoAt0OYA:9 a=Z0tp9ESDjWqySXnA:21 a=QcpMRQDMEfmTJMQM:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=ltQtFy8ac5sA:10 a=DjEd5d5QLcx92satbrAA:9 a=wmS-S3jylGtYTYxI:21 a=OXVptQSbJYjDoffz:21 a=KPgDm4LhoDErTSR3:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta55.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com References: <55A90C3E.9050503@ktc.com> <8698D2D8-4AC4-415C-B1B2-C7357CB8D342@ur.rochester.edu> To: "Osborne, Paul" , "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" Organization: Computer Helpers Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:07:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0142466475948617610== boundary="------------000602020706070803050100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000602020706070803050100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I have the WW cable. CR On 7/17/2015 9:24 AM, Osborne, Paul wrote: > Hi, If you have wire wheels the cable needs to be shorter, should > like you have the cable for steel wheels. > > > paul > Paul Osborne > Department of Electrical and Computer Eng. > University of Rochester > 201 Hopeman Building RC > Rochester NY 14627 > 585-275-5226 > > > > On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs > >> That sounds intriguing. I have a '69 Tourer w/wire wheels. The cable >> for it doesn't have a rectangular box, AIR. The repro cable - from >> Moss yrs ago - was a tad too long. Moss called it specification >> drift, fer Pete's sake. The only way I've been able to keep the >> handbrake working is to keep the rear shoes pretty tight. I wonder >> if I could use the later cable. What does it look like? Pics? >> >> CR >> >> On 7/16/2015 11:52 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs wrote: >>> The rectangular box is suspended rather than bolted to the car. >>> Tightening >>> the handbrake cable basically shortens the length of the cable >>> between the >>> handbrake levers on each rear brake, pulling them toward each other and >>> distributing the force evenly. >>> >>> --Steve >>> >>> - >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=BQICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=7rdpcUL9R69rl77M69sN-qA5ybge73ASTX3jELVJW4w&s=z9m2N5RHNHKnh1pmo0DlEpMjFGHmNPoG566ij1SFNi0&e= >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_archive&d=BQICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=7rdpcUL9R69rl77M69sN-qA5ybge73ASTX3jELVJW4w&s=m9gH47Wb_GBC7dBxN0dG44Duv6IrYGtmbeQLsiPC37E&e= >> Forums: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_forums&d=BQICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=7rdpcUL9R69rl77M69sN-qA5ybge73ASTX3jELVJW4w&s=9HHj5mftVUKiXkQqMPE6lbJiSeZVSOVFeITeSAo0m4Y&e= >> Unsubscribe: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_mgs_paul-40ece.rochester.edu&d=BQICAg&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=j_uK0-rtrtcKZ8O0aGq-Y5ZUDfHjCD_Cv57WMn_czag&m=7rdpcUL9R69rl77M69sN-qA5ybge73ASTX3jELVJW4w&s=UtqT-NZ81MtOnK-fiPBsV9SHkHWC8IirEn4zPKgswdY&e= > --------------000602020706070803050100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, I have the WW cable.

CR


On 7/17/2015 9:24 AM, Osborne, Paul wrote:
Hi,  If you have wire wheels the cable needs to be shorter, should like you have the cable for steel wheels.   


paul
Paul Osborne
Department of Electrical and Computer Eng.
University of Rochester 
201 Hopeman Building RC
Rochester NY 14627
585-275-5226



On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

That sounds intriguing. I have a '69 Tourer w/wire wheels.  The cable for it doesn't have a rectangular box, AIR.  The repro cable - from Moss yrs ago - was a tad too long.  Moss called it specification drift, fer Pete's sake.  The only way I've been able to keep the handbrake working is to keep the rear shoes pretty tight.  I wonder if I could use the later cable.  What does it look like?  Pics?

CR

On 7/16/2015 11:52 AM, Steve Shoyer via Mgs wrote:
The rectangular box is suspended rather than bolted to the car.  Tightening
the handbrake cable basically shortens the length of the cable between the
handbrake levers on each rear brake, pulling them toward each other and
distributing the force evenly.

--Steve

-

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--------------000602020706070803050100-- --===============0142466475948617610== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0142466475948617610==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 17 09:12:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB062587D01 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net (pacmmta54.windstream.net [162.39.147.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6607258494C for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([98.17.106.36]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id tT9k1q01f0n8P4201T9lTb; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:09:45 -0400 a=HUf9M8gZhOx7NwL9sTEATg==:117 a=HUf9M8gZhOx7NwL9sTEATg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=xDn4ee4CKTYA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=v-EupqUMu4ljbRrlZwcA:9 a=drWgdzZWS3xfcPVm:21 a=1mVTBiX156MK0QlR:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com References: <55A90C3E.9050503@ktc.com> <5E3D9E1B5D46496BAE8F28EEE7F23144@paul> To: PaulHunt73 , mgs@autox.team.net Organization: Computer Helpers Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:09:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 Subject: Re: [Mgs] 79 MGB handbrake From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, After I get over this sinus infection I'll have to get under Her Majesty to see if all the bits are there. CR On 7/17/2015 9:42 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote: > The 'box' only applies to 77 and later MGBs. Before that the outer > ends at a pivoting lever on the diff casing, the inner extends to the > left-hand wheel, and a short cable goes back from the right-hand > wheel. Other than that both types work the same, i.e. the end of the > outer moves to a position where the same force is applied to both > brakes when the cabin lever is pulled up. > > I posted a link to a picture of the later system. > > There were no less than 10 handbrake cables for the MGB - banjo, Mk1 > tube, Mk2 chrome, rubber bumper to September 76, and September 76 on, > and each of these had variations for wire wheels and stud wheels. So > plenty of scope for manufacturers getting it wrong. The first four > pairs all vary in length and the last pair has the different > compensation arrangement, as well as a different length to most if not > all of the others. If yours is only slightly too long i.e. the cabin > lever comes up too far and you have used up all the adjustment at the > cabin lever end, you can clamp a spacer or 'shortener' onto the short > cable at the compensation lever, between the nipple and where it comes > out of the trunnion on the free end of the compensation lever > http://www.paulhunt73.webspace.virginmedia.com/mgb-stuff/images/handbrake.jpg > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> That sounds intriguing. I have a '69 Tourer w/wire wheels. The cable >> for it doesn't have a rectangular box, AIR. > > _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 18 16:54:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B12E2585258 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D8C2580B19 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id tyuy1q0023YHaqt01yuy8b; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:54:58 -0700 To: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:54:55 -0700 Thread-Index: AdDBp2RtLZFXjfFiQPat7HC5GskIiQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 MkII front end suspension suspense From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6445840410981966926== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0384_01D0C172.17A8DF00" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0384_01D0C172.17A8DF00 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Barney. I read with great interest Barney's The Nature of ROLLING ELEMENT BEARINGS -- UT-106 at mgaguru.com, regarding the loading and tightness of bearing in the front hub. If the Gentle Reader remembers, we were last reviewing the problems of my hubs, bearings and various other components of suspension and brakes. A quick recap: wire wheels with unmovable brake caliper pistons (shot) and both inner and outer bearings a variable tightness in hubs. The inner spacer was not tight, it wobbled around inside the hub more than the .0125" free that adding up the numbers in the repair manual suggest (more like .15 inch short) although the bearings were against the shoulders and neither bearings nor inner spacer appeared worn axially. I found that the last assembly was missing the oil seal spacers on both side. There is some definite wear at the outer bearing spindle suggesting problems with solidarity of bearings and inner spacers, very possibly because of missing oil seal spacer. Barney's explanation is worth the read just to better understand bearings in general, but front MGA bearings specifically. My greatest difficulty in reading his missive was regarding the fit of the bearings on the spindle and inside the hubs. The suggestion is that the outer races should be press fit or close, while the inner races on the spindle should only by hand application tight. Barney, I don't really understand why the inner races can be so relatively loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable wear on one side of the spindle especially on the outer bearings, I would think that a slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, would allow potential spinning on the spindle causing wear similar to what I am seeing. Will I have a problem with gluing the inner races to the spindle? I realize this may make it difficult to dismantle later but perhaps a small amount of glue would be acceptable given the current wear? Moss doesn't have replacement spindle knuckles, only hubs, which, with the new bearings I am buying, may still need to be purchased. At this point, I am purchasing bearings, all new spacers, oil seals, brake calipers, pads, disks, suspension kit, swivel links, bolts and side washers and associated swivel pins, tie rod ends. Expensive. Thanks for any illumination. Clayton ------=_NextPart_000_0384_01D0C172.17A8DF00 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Barney.

 

I read with = great interest Barney’s The = Nature of ROLLING ELEMENT = BEARINGS -- UT-106 at mgaguru.com, regarding the loading and = tightness of bearing in the front hub. If the Gentle Reader remembers, = we were last reviewing the problems of my hubs, bearings and various = other components of suspension and brakes. A quick recap: wire wheels = with unmovable brake caliper pistons (shot) and both inner and outer = bearings a variable tightness in hubs. The inner spacer was not tight, = it wobbled around inside the hub more than the .0125” free that = adding up the numbers in the repair manual suggest (more like .15 inch = short) although the bearings were against the shoulders and neither = bearings nor inner spacer appeared worn axially. I found that the last = assembly was missing the oil seal spacers on both side. There is some = definite wear at the outer bearing spindle suggesting problems with = solidarity of bearings and inner spacers, very possibly because of = missing oil seal spacer.

 

Barney’s explanation is worth the read just to = better understand bearings in general, but front MGA bearings = specifically. My greatest difficulty in reading his missive was = regarding the fit of the bearings on the spindle and inside the hubs. = The suggestion is that the outer races should be press fit or close, = while the inner races on the spindle should only by hand application = tight. Barney, I don’t really understand why the inner races can = be so relatively loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a = noticeable wear on one side of the spindle especially on the outer = bearings,  I would think that a slip fit inner race, even with = axial compression, would allow potential spinning on the spindle causing = wear similar to what I am seeing. Will I have a problem with gluing the = inner races to the spindle? I realize this may make it difficult to = dismantle later but perhaps a small amount of glue would be acceptable = given the current wear? Moss doesn’t have replacement spindle = knuckles, only hubs, which, with the new bearings I am buying, may still = need to be purchased.

 

At this = point, I am purchasing bearings, all new spacers, oil seals, brake = calipers, pads, disks, suspension kit, swivel links, bolts and side = washers and associated swivel pins, tie rod ends. = Expensive.

 

Thanks for any illumination.

 

Clayton

------=_NextPart_000_0384_01D0C172.17A8DF00-- --===============6445840410981966926== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6445840410981966926==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 18 19:25:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD62525877AF for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 10321258482C for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29556 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2015 01:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2015 01:25:16 -0000 Received: from box522.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.122]) by cmgw3 with id u7JL1q00K2f2jeq017JPEe; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:18:23 -0600 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:117 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=zo8hvysWAAAA:8 a=PH27ZC4J-VgA:10 a=7eWrnUeLilgA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=4FZZ10aj_7dfKtpScdMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mSVJTZ0ZJUAdzae_E6kA:9 a=TRg3ufwAo1HtpSrx:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=default; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:From:To:Date; bh=5NpnPKVAH9DvUaqxcWaw2PWW0+xyUHXEmuOvGkJY9gs=; b=UYDdMDZFN5+BBatGhZd7YrXs9G94lluHFYz8q0MImbysH3zsf0t6OInXXQs16lLxgsWHVvFZvhrV/83wbD3Fin7h7G62ClD42afzmc8qNdJ0l+iEoJo1NTd+/X0UthQq; Received: from [64.134.147.220] (port=50245 helo=BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) by box522.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGdLs-0001Oa-Sn; Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:25:13 -0600 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:25:04 -0700 To: crk@godblessthe.us, References: <038301d0c1ac$c4071ac0$4c155040$@godblessthe.us> {sentby:smtp auth 64.134.147.220 authed with barneymg@mgaguru.com} Subject: Re: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 MkII front end suspension suspense From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2740680159352331141== boundary="=====================_261576578==.ALT" --=====================_261576578==.ALT Clayton, -- The bearing outer race must be a press fit in the hub to prevent relative motion and wear. If the bearing was loose in the hub the outer race would "walk" (orbit) in the rotating hub causing wear in the hub that would increase the clearance with time. This happened to my front hubs a few months ago, and it got so bad that I had to repace the hubs. If you catch this situation early enough you can install the bearings into the hub with Loctite 620 bearing set adheive to prevent motion of the outer race in the hub. For future service it may require heat to soften the adhesive to remove the bearings from the hub. The bearing inner race can be a slip fit on the spindle. When the spindle nut is tightened it pushes all of the parts tight together, oil seal spacer, inboard bearing inner race, inner race spacer, outboard bearing inner race, keyed flat washer, and the nut. When all is tight the inner bearing races cannot move on the spindle. Barney At 03:54 PM 7/18/2015 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote: >.... >Hello Barney. > >I read with great interest Barney's The Nature of ROLLING ELEMENT >BEARINGS -- UT-106 at mgaguru.com, regarding the loading and >tightness of bearing in the front hub. If the Gentle Reader >remembers, we were last reviewing the problems of my hubs, bearings >and various other components of suspension and brakes. A quick >recap: wire wheels with unmovable brake caliper pistons (shot) and >both inner and outer bearings a variable tightness in hubs. The >inner spacer was not tight, it wobbled around inside the hub more >than the .0125" free that adding up the numbers in the repair manual >suggest (more like .15 inch short) although the bearings were >against the shoulders and neither bearings nor inner spacer appeared >worn axially. I found that the last assembly was missing the oil >seal spacers on both side. There is some definite wear at the outer >bearing spindle suggesting problems with solidarity of bearings and >inner spacers, very possibly because of missing oil seal spacer. > >Barney's explanation is worth the read just to better understand >bearings in general, but front MGA bearings specifically. My >greatest difficulty in reading his missive was regarding the fit of >the bearings on the spindle and inside the hubs. The suggestion is >that the outer races should be press fit or close, while the inner >races on the spindle should only by hand application tight. Barney, >I don't really understand why the inner races can be so relatively >loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable >wear on one side of the spindle especially on the outer bearings, I >would think that a slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, >would allow potential spinning on the spindle causing wear similar >to what I am seeing. Will I have a problem with gluing the inner >races to the spindle? I realize this may make it difficult to >dismantle later but perhaps a small amount of glue would be >acceptable given the current wear? Moss doesn't have replacement >spindle knuckles, only hubs, which, with the new bearings I am >buying, may still need to be purchased. > >At this point, I am purchasing bearings, all new spacers, oil seals, >brake calipers, pads, disks, suspension kit, swivel links, bolts and >side washers and associated swivel pins, tie rod ends. Expensive. > >Thanks for any illumination. > >Clayton --=====================_261576578==.ALT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clayton,  -- 

The bearing outer race must be a press fit in the hub to prevent relative motion and wear.  If the bearing was loose in the hub the outer race would "walk" (orbit) in the rotating hub causing wear in the hub that would increase the clearance with time.  This happened to my front hubs a few months ago, and it got so bad that I had to repace the hubs.  If you catch this situation early enough you can install the bearings into the hub with Loctite 620 bearing set adheive to prevent motion of the outer race in the hub.  For future service it may require heat to soften the adhesive to remove the bearings from the hub.

The bearing inner race can be a slip fit on the spindle.  When the spindle nut is tightened it pushes all of the parts tight together, oil seal spacer, inboard bearing inner race, inner race spacer, outboard bearing inner race, keyed flat washer, and the nut.  When all is tight the inner bearing races cannot move on the spindle.

Barney


At 03:54 PM 7/18/2015 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:
....
Hello Barney.
 
I read with great interest Barney=92s The Nature of ROLLING ELEMENT BEARINGS -- UT-106 at mgaguru.com, regarding the loading and tightness of bearing in the front hub. If the Gentle Reader remembers, we were last reviewing the problems of my hubs, bearings and various other components of suspension and brakes. A quick recap: wire wheels with unmovable brake caliper pistons (shot) and both inner and outer bearings a variable tightness in hubs. The inner spacer was not tight, it wobbled around inside the hub more than the .0125=94 free that adding up the numbers in the repair manual suggest (more like .15 inch short) although the bearings were against the shoulders and neither bearings nor inner spacer appeared worn axially. I found that the last assembly was missing the oil seal spacers on both side. There is some definite wear at the outer bearing spindle suggesting problems with solidarity of bearings and inner spacers, very possibly because of missing oil seal spacer.
 
Barney=92s explanation is worth the read just to better understand bearings in general, but front MGA bearings specifically. My greatest difficulty in reading his missive was regarding the fit of the bearings on the spindle and inside the hubs. The suggestion is that the outer races should be press fit or close, while the inner races on the spindle should only by hand application tight. Barney, I don=92t really understand why the inner races can be so relatively loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable wear on one side of the spindle especially on the outer bearings,  I would think that a slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, would allow potential spinning on the spindle causing wear similar to what I am seeing. Will I have a problem with gluing the inner races to the spindle? I realize this may make it difficult to dismantle later but perhaps a small amount of glue would be acceptable given the current wear? Moss doesn=92t have replacement spindle knuckles, only hubs, which, with the new bearings I am buying, may still need to be purchased.
 
At this point, I am purchasing bearings, all new spacers, oil seals, brake calipers, pads, disks, suspension kit, swivel links, bolts and side washers and associated swivel pins, tie rod ends. Expensive.
 
Thanks for any illumination.
 
Clayton
--=====================_261576578==.ALT-- --===============2740680159352331141== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2740680159352331141==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 19 02:49:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645BE258447C for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 02:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB16258447C for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 02:49:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id u8pc1q00D4LtS42018pc4P; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:49:36 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=Z7hGagBQaPT3fHeXgNYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=1-fTIj-QVp-7jWWlgXcA:9 a=7RMvcjcsTS30T_x1:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , References: <038301d0c1ac$c4071ac0$4c155040$@godblessthe.us> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:35:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 MkII front end suspension suspense From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5137798390833609148== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01D0C206.32169F00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01D0C206.32169F00 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you and Barney singing off the same hymn-sheet? What Barney = describes sounds the same to me as the MGB - that is the inner races are = held tightly between a the oil seal collar on the inner part of the stub = axle and the clamping nut and washer, with spacer and shims between = them. Clamped like that - to between 40 and 70 ft lb on the MGB at = least - the inners can't spin on the axle. But I thought it had already = been established that your version of the MGA isn't like that anyway. If the oil seal collar is missing, i.e. the part that the oil seal lip = runs on, then with the MGB system (again at least) you will never get = correct assembly of hub, bearings and axle as that takes up 1/4" or more = of the effective length of the stub axle and hence play in the assembly. I also suggested that if the problem was only on one side, then = carefully dismantle the other and compare components and dimensions. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 ... I don't really understand why the inner races can be so relatively = loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable wear = on one side of the spindle especially on the outer bearings, I would = think that a slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, would = allow potential spinning on the spindle causing wear similar to what I = am seeing. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01D0C206.32169F00 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are you and Barney singing off the same = hymn-sheet?  What=20 Barney describes sounds the same to me as the MGB - that is the inner = races are=20 held tightly between a the oil seal collar on the inner part of the stub = axle=20 and the clamping nut and washer, with spacer and shims between = them. =20 Clamped like that - to between 40 and 70 ft lb on the MGB at least - the = inners=20 can't spin on the axle.  But I thought it had already = been established=20 that your version of the MGA isn't like that anyway.
 
If the oil seal collar is missing, i.e. the part = that the oil=20 seal lip runs on, then with the MGB system (again at least) you will = never get=20 correct assembly of hub, bearings and axle as that takes up 1/4" or more = of the=20 effective length of the stub axle and hence play in the = assembly.
 
I also suggested that if the problem was only on one = side,=20 then carefully dismantle the other and compare components and=20 dimensions.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
... I=20 don=92t really understand why the inner races can be so relatively = loose.=20 Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable wear on = one side=20 of the spindle especially on the outer bearings,  I would think = that a=20 slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, would allow = potential=20 spinning on the spindle causing wear similar to what I am=20 seeing.
------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01D0C206.32169F00-- --===============5137798390833609148== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5137798390833609148==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 19 14:31:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A648C25848A0 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67ED72580160 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Aragorn ([205.197.253.163]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id uLXV1q0013YHaqt01LXWT6; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 13:31:31 -0700 To: References: <038301d0c1ac$c4071ac0$4c155040$@godblessthe.us> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 13:31:28 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHca+BpFh4YxmNqGqcP+d/FKmvG5QHtanq0nbx+QKA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 MkII front end suspension suspense From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5018118913292139787== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0C227.38CF57D0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0C227.38CF57D0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I think all three of us are singing in harmony. Both sides on my A were missing the oil seal spacer. From looking at the drawing in the workbook, and not having my spacer yet, it appears that that spacer fits in the inner diameter of the oil seal and butts up against the brake adapter plate and the inner bearing bearing (can't tell if it is the inner or outer race). I am really surprised that I don't have significant damage with the oil seal spacer missing: I would have thought the steering would be really bad. The 1500, 1600, and MkII don't use shims, only the twin cam and deluxe use those because of different kinds of bearings, as I understand it. I did however, buy spacers because of the extended space I seem to be running. That may resolve itself with the various new parts. Clayton From: PaulHunt73 [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com] Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 1:35 AM To: crk@godblessthe.us; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 MkII front end suspension suspense Are you and Barney singing off the same hymn-sheet? What Barney describes sounds the same to me as the MGB - that is the inner races are held tightly between a the oil seal collar on the inner part of the stub axle and the clamping nut and washer, with spacer and shims between them. Clamped like that - to between 40 and 70 ft lb on the MGB at least - the inners can't spin on the axle. But I thought it had already been established that your version of the MGA isn't like that anyway. If the oil seal collar is missing, i.e. the part that the oil seal lip runs on, then with the MGB system (again at least) you will never get correct assembly of hub, bearings and axle as that takes up 1/4" or more of the effective length of the stub axle and hence play in the assembly. I also suggested that if the problem was only on one side, then carefully dismantle the other and compare components and dimensions. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- ... I don't really understand why the inner races can be so relatively loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable wear on one side of the spindle especially on the outer bearings, I would think that a slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, would allow potential spinning on the spindle causing wear similar to what I am seeing. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0C227.38CF57D0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I think all three of us are singing in = harmony. Both sides on my A were missing the oil seal spacer. From = looking at the drawing in the workbook, and not having my spacer yet, it = appears that that spacer fits in the inner diameter of the oil seal and = butts up against the brake adapter plate and the inner bearing bearing = (can’t tell if it is the inner or outer race). I am really = surprised that I don’t have significant damage with the oil seal = spacer missing: I would have thought the steering would be really = bad.

 

The 1500, 1600, and MkII = don’t use shims, only the twin cam and deluxe use those because of = different kinds of bearings, as I understand it. I did however, buy = spacers because of the extended space I seem to be running. That may = resolve itself with the various new parts.

 

Clayton

 

From: PaulHunt73 = [mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, = 2015 1:35 AM
To: crk@godblessthe.us; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 = MkII front end suspension suspense

 

Are you = and Barney singing off the same hymn-sheet?  What Barney describes = sounds the same to me as the MGB - that is the inner races are held = tightly between a the oil seal collar on the inner part of the stub axle = and the clamping nut and washer, with spacer and shims between = them.  Clamped like that - to between 40 and 70 ft lb on the MGB at = least - the inners can't spin on the axle.  But I thought it had = already been established that your version of the MGA isn't like = that anyway.

 

If the oil seal collar is missing, i.e. the part that the = oil seal lip runs on, then with the MGB system (again at least) you will = never get correct assembly of hub, bearings and axle as that takes up = 1/4" or more of the effective length of the stub axle and hence = play in the assembly.

 

I also suggested that if the problem was only on one side, = then carefully dismantle the other and compare components and = dimensions.

 

PaulH.

----- Original = Message -----

... I = don’t really understand why the inner races can be so relatively = loose. Because of the relative damage to the spindle, a noticeable wear = on one side of the spindle especially on the outer bearings,  I = would think that a slip fit inner race, even with axial compression, = would allow potential spinning on the spindle causing wear similar to = what I am = seeing.

------=_NextPart_000_0061_01D0C227.38CF57D0-- --===============5018118913292139787== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5018118913292139787==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 20 01:38:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DE02584944 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748792580160 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id uXee1q00F4LtS4201XeeYr; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:38:38 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=pJTeZVvJAAAA:8 a=vILzN7sDA7kW5jjG2QgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=EJkGU1JyltiWwEk18jYA:9 a=j-ghfnnav7tTjxXW:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: , References: <038301d0c1ac$c4071ac0$4c155040$@godblessthe.us> <006001d0c261$e52d6c80$af884580$@godblessthe.us> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:36:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Follow up to MGA 1600 MkII front end suspension suspense From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2982262668819147392== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0C2C7.2158E9E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0C2C7.2158E9E0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the oil seal collar fits on the stub axle and the oil seal itself is = pressed into the hub, as on the MGB, then the spacer has to butt up = against the inner race of the bearing. Anything else would mean the oil = seal or the outer race would have to rotate inside the hub. I don't know whether this = http://www.mgexp.com/article/mgb/mg-midget-wheel-bearings/bad-midget-wire= -wheel-hub.jpg is any help but it describes how what seems to be a = similar problem can occur on the Midget which has fully assembled ball = bearings instead of tapered rollers. Replacement hubs have a radius = where the inner race of the outer bearing butts up against a shoulder, = which holds the bearing further out than it should be. The spacer is = loose, but everything else is 'tight' as it is the bearings themselves = that are taking any force applied to the nut and will fail prematurely. = As long as the nut is not tightened you could still achieve the .002 to = .004 (same as the MGB it seems) end float on the bearings, but at the = expense of having the bearing inners free to move on the stub axle and = loss of strength in the axle itself. Steering would be fine. = Ironically there are more than a few that opine this is the best way to = set up MGB front wheel bearings! PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Yes, I think all three of us are singing in harmony. Both sides on my = A were missing the oil seal spacer. From looking at the drawing in the = workbook, and not having my spacer yet, it appears that that spacer fits = in the inner diameter of the oil seal and butts up against the brake = adapter plate and the inner bearing bearing (can't tell if it is the = inner or outer race). I am really surprised that I don't have = significant damage with the oil seal spacer missing: I would have = thought the steering would be really bad. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0C2C7.2158E9E0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the oil seal collar fits on the stub axle and the = oil seal=20 itself is pressed into the hub, as on the MGB, then the spacer has to = butt up=20 against the inner race of the bearing.  Anything else would mean = the oil=20 seal or the outer race would have to rotate inside the hub.
 
I don't know whether this http://www.mgexp.com/article/mgb/mg-midget-wheel-= bearings/bad-midget-wire-wheel-hub.jpg is=20 any help but it describes how what seems to be a similar problem can = occur on=20 the Midget which has fully assembled ball bearings instead of tapered=20 rollers.  Replacement hubs have a radius where the inner race of = the outer=20 bearing butts up against a shoulder, which holds the bearing further out = than it=20 should be.  The spacer is loose, but everything else is 'tight' as = it is=20 the bearings themselves that are taking any force applied to the nut and = will=20 fail prematurely.  As long as the nut is not tightened you could = still=20 achieve the .002 to .004 (same as the MGB it seems) end float on the = bearings,=20 but at the expense of having the bearing inners free to move on the stub = axle=20 and loss of strength in the axle itself.  Steering would be = fine. =20 Ironically there are more than a few that opine this is the best = way to set=20 up MGB front wheel bearings!
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
Yes, I think all three of us are = singing in=20 harmony. Both sides on my A were missing the oil seal spacer. From = looking at=20 the drawing in the workbook, and not having my spacer yet, it appears = that=20 that spacer fits in the inner diameter of the oil seal and butts up = against=20 the brake adapter plate and the inner bearing bearing (can=92t tell if = it is the=20 inner or outer race). I am really surprised that I don=92t have = significant=20 damage with the oil seal spacer missing: I would have thought the = steering=20 would be really bad.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0088_01D0C2C7.2158E9E0-- --===============2982262668819147392== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2982262668819147392==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 20 14:24:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE25E25884F9 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:24:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp0.ctinetworks.com (smtp0.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9CE2584DAA for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:20:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DavePC (24.115.153.73.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [24.115.153.73]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A6A4F5F65 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:20:47 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: [Mgs] triangular vent window seal replacement From: dave willner via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8660302507585879178== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01D0C308.08F14A50" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D0C308.08F14A50 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Question, I replaced the horizontal seal on my vent windows many years = ago and did remove the window. To replace the = =E2=80=9Ctriangular=E2=80=9D rubber seal around the vent window can I = just remove the old one and stuff the new one in, or do I need to remove = the window again? Thanks=20 Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A BRG 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 VS ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D0C308.08F14A50 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Question, I replaced the horizontal seal on my vent windows many = years ago=20 and did remove the window. To replace the =E2=80=9Ctriangular=E2=80=9D = rubber seal around the=20 vent window can I just remove the old one and stuff the new one in, or = do I need=20 to remove the window again?   Thanks
 
Dave=20 Willner
Stroudsburg, PA
59 TR3A BRG
70 MGB BRG
70 BSA 441=20 VS
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D0C308.08F14A50-- --===============8660302507585879178== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8660302507585879178==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 20 15:55:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDC525887F6 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D48B62580291 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:53:46 -0600 (MDT) t=1437429252; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=qzTck/Ls2Yp2HMJky74kq3xRNwwo3/hOJjWwjmVT7PkJk+ns5GvQ5TP7Ejqb2YkIl n8QJlyabkYeym7qLay6lZcSiRl/x9Yt4eBAjG28PBBqqC/IHP/yjxo/jiqVLJ1JJPC KJh75//6uO4b5hxMSw2ToX6+p57oth1xSCav3nMA= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABL445RVANYCTGJ for (sender ); Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [32.210.19.232] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:52:46 GMT Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:52:46 GMT To: davewillner@pa.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] triangular vent window seal replacement From: mgbob--- via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0012596711744069016== ----__JWM__J3cb3684d.5c1eb9c4S.59134881M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The pivot bolt passes through the rubber seal. Its nut and spring are = underneath. While you --might-- be able to undo them from inside the doo= r (I forget details) it would be best that you use penetrating oil gener= ously on the nut so the bolt is not broken. I removed the entire frame= for the job, as that gave opportunity to clean and lubricate winder mec= hanism, adjust the channels, etc. Ask for current recommendations for t= he rubber. Five or six years ago when I did it, the rubber supplied by o= ne vendor was, at best, an approximate fit. It is cracking and splitting= now, so the replacement is to be anticipated this coming winter.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: dave willner via Mgs To: Subject: [Mgs] triangular vent window seal replacement Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:20:47 -0400 Hi, Question, I replaced the horizontal seal on my vent windows many yea= rs ago and did remove the window. To replace the =E2€œtriangu= lar=E2€=9D rubber seal around the vent window can I just remove the= old one and stuff the new one in, or do I need to remove the window aga= in? Thanks Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A BRG 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 VS ----__JWM__J3cb3684d.5c1eb9c4S.59134881M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
  The pivot bolt passes through the rubber seal. Its nut= and spring are underneath. While you --might-- be able to undo them fro= m inside the door (I forget details) it would be best that you use penet= rating oil generously on the nut so the bolt is not broken. 
<= div>  I removed the entire frame for the job, as that gave opportun= ity to clean and lubricate winder mechanism, adjust the channels, etc.
  Ask for current recommendations for the rubber. Five or = six years ago when I did it, the rubber supplied by one vendor was, at b= est, an approximate fit. It is cracking and splitting now, so the replac= ement is to be anticipated this coming winter.
Bob
<= br>
---------- Original Message ----------
From: dave willner via = Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
To: <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subj= ect: [Mgs] triangular vent window seal replacement
Date: Mon, 20 Jul = 2015 16:20:47 -0400

Hi,
 = ;
Question, I replaced the horizontal seal on my vent windows = many years ago and did remove the window. To replace the â€&o= elig;triangularâ€=9D rubber seal around the vent window can I= just remove the old one and stuff the new one in, or do I need to remov= e the window again?   Thanks
 
Dave Willner<= br>Stroudsburg, PA
59 TR3A BRG
70 MGB BRG
70 BSA 441 VS
----__JWM__J3cb3684d.5c1eb9c4S.59134881M-- --===============0012596711744069016== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0012596711744069016==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 21 01:35:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB002584985 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8762584740 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 01:34:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id uvbL1q00G4LtS4201vbL5q; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:35:20 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=AfjZigzKAHYTD6qCqUYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=q6QXVNl9CzYNNn8AxRoA:9 a=yRjPGDHyBuctmZgB:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "dave willner" , References: <2A23DA31422249E3BDC0EE82F43C7549@DavePC> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:23:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] triangular vent window seal replacement From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7902141678061338716== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01D0C38E.756092A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01D0C38E.756092A0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ditto Bob. If the nut comes undone without snapping the pivot pin (not = nut) then yes it is possible to remove the vent window with the = quarter-light in-situ. But the pivot pin and nut are between two small = holes for the securing nuts, the pivot is pointing forwards, and the = nearest large access hole is below and behind it and the long leg of the = frame is in the way. With the vent out it is just a matter of stuffing = the new seal in as you say and refitting the vent. If you snap the = pivot pin you have to remove the glass from the vent, so best avoided. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Question, I replaced the horizontal seal on my vent windows many years = ago and did remove the window. To replace the = =E2=80=9Ctriangular=E2=80=9D rubber seal around the vent window can I = just remove the old one and stuff the new one in, or do I need to remove = the window again? Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01D0C38E.756092A0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Ditto Bob.  If the nut comes undone = without snapping=20 the pivot pin (not nut) then yes it is possible to remove the = vent=20 window with the quarter-light in-situ.  But the pivot pin and nut = are=20 between two small holes for the securing nuts, the pivot = is pointing=20 forwards, and the nearest large access hole is below and behind it and = the long=20 leg of the frame is in the way.  With the vent out it is just = a matter=20 of stuffing the new seal in as you say and refitting the = vent.  If you=20 snap the pivot pin you have to remove the glass from the vent, so best=20 avoided.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
 
Question, I replaced the horizontal seal on my vent windows many = years=20 ago and did remove the window. To replace the = =E2=80=9Ctriangular=E2=80=9D rubber seal around=20 the vent window can I just remove the old one and stuff the new one = in, or do=20 I need to remove the window again?   Thanks=20
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[75.168.184.157]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm2845702ige.0.2015.07.25.20.18.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 22:18:25 -0500 To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] new steering rack From: Paul Root via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net SSBib3VnaHQgYSBuZXcgc3RlZXJpbmcgcmFjayBmcm9tIE1vc3MsIGFuZCBpbnN0YWxsZWQgaXQg dG9kYXkuIFRoaW5ncyB3ZW50IHJlYXNvbmFibHkgd2VsbCB1bnRpbCBJIGdvdCB0byB0aGUgZW5k IGFuZCB3YXMgYXR0YWNoaW5nIHRoZSB0aWUgcm9kIGVuZHMuIEV4YW1pbmF0aW9uIG9mIHRob3Nl LCBzaG93IHRoYXQgSSBzaG91bGQgaGF2ZSBib3VnaHQgbmV3IG9uZXMuIFRoZSBydWJiZXIgb24g Ym90aCBhcmUgdG9ybiwgdGhvdWdoIHRoZXkgYXJlIGJvdGggc3RpbGwgZnVuY3Rpb25pbmcgd2Vs bC4gCgpUaGUgcmFjayBib290cyBjb21lIHNlY3VyZWQgd2l0aCB0aWUgd3JhcHMuIFdoaWxlIHRy eWluZyB0byBkbyBhbiBhbGlnbm1lbnQsIHRoZSBib290cyB0dXJuZWQgd2l0aCB0aGUgcm9kLiBT aG91bGQgSSBjdXQgb2YgdGhlIHRpZSB3cmFwIGFuZCBwdXQgYSBuZXcgb25lIG9uIGFmdGVyIGZp bmlzaGluZz8gCgpJIGFsc28gaGF2ZSBhbiBhbGlnbm1lbnQgdG9vbCwgYSBsb25nIGFsdW1pbnVt IGJhci4gd2l0aCBhIDkwIGRlZ3JlZSBleHRlbnNpb24gYXQgb25lIGVuZCwgdGhlbiBhIGdhdWdl IHRoYXQgc2xpZGVzIGFsb25nIHRoZSBiYXIuIFRoZSB0aGVvcnkgaXMgeW91IG1lYXN1cmUgdGhl IGJhY2sgc2lkZSBvZiB0aGUgdGlyZXMsIGFuZCBzZXQgdGhlIGdhdWdlIHRvIDAuIFRoZW4gbW92 ZSBpdCB0byB0aGUgZnJvbnQsIGFuZCBpdCB3aWxsIHRlbGwgeW91IGhvdyBtdWNoIHRvdyBpbiBv ciB0b3cgb3V0IHlvdSBoYXZlLiAKCkFyZSB0aGVyZSBhbnkgdGlwcyBvbiB1c2luZyB0aGlzPyBJ IGJvdWdodCBpdCB5ZWFycyBhZ28sIGFuZCBkb27igJl0IHJlbWVtYmVyIGV4YWN0bHkgaG93IGl0 IHdvcmtzLgoKVGhlIHJhY2sgbWFrZXMgYSBiaWcgZGlmZmVyZW5jZS4gSSBoYWQgcHJldHR5IHZh Z3VlIHN0ZWVyaW5nLCBhbmQgSeKAmWQgcmVtb3ZlZCBzZXZlcmFsIHNoaW1zIGZyb20gdGhlIG9s ZCByYWNrICBhZGp1c3Rlci4KClRoZSBuZXcgcmFjayBpcyBwYWNrZWQgd2l0aCBncmVhc2Ugbm90 IG9pbC4gVGhlcmUgaXMgYW4gYWRqdXN0bWVudCBzY3JldyBleHRlcm5hbCBvbiBpdC4gSXMgdGhh dCB0aGUgb25seSBtYWludGVuYW5jZSBvbiBpdD8gT2J2aW91c2x5LCBhcGFydCBmcm9tIGtlZXBp bmcgYW4gZXllIG9uIHRoZSBydWJiZXIgYm9vdHMuLiAKClBhdWwuClwKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KCk1nc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldApEb25h dGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2VzdGVkIGFubnVhbCBkb25h dGlvbiAgJDEyLjc1CkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvYXJjaGl2ZQpGb3J1bXM6 IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZm9ydW1zClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVh bS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9vcHRpb25zL21ncy9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldAo= From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 26 02:20:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3772584675 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 02:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7972580B1A for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 02:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id wwKT1q00S4LtS4201wKTUx; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:19:28 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=O5M46V8IZJ1XZoWhKekA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 To: "Paul Root" , References: <08202DEA-B923-4E24-A3B6-959B6A690095@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:16:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] new steering rack From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, cut the little tie off, then attach a new one afterwards. Doesn't need to be gorilla tight though, just nipped, so you can adjust the tracking subsequently. I'm not familiar with what you have, but have made what sounds to be much the same thing to measure the toe. Mine has a pointer each side that you position against a specific point in the centre of the tread, with the car moved back and fore so that point moves between in front and behind i.e. through 180 degrees, and always in horizontal alignment with the centre of the stub axle when you take a measurement. The important thing is to take the measurements at the same point on the tyres, anything else will be subject to tyre distortions and positioning on the wheel. I knew Moss were supplying grease-packed, but not heard of an adjustment screw. Is that in place of the shims? Can't see why that would need maintenance, in fact giving someone an adjustment screw instead of taking the time to set up the shims correctly in the factory seems sloppy to me, and asking for trouble with those who see an adjustment screw and decide to fiddle with it. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > The rack boots come secured with tie wraps. While trying to do an > alignment, the boots turned with the rod. Should I cut of the tie wrap and > put a new one on after finishing? _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 26 11:36:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0B625884FE for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 11:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B732588484 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 11:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iehx8 with SMTP id x8so49533495ieh.3 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:36:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=1vjgZ8GAjYAUt/TvVH73Qt3f6eUM4TyxkfB/jyLDjyc=; b=au9rxwiG+/HXazhGvvojz2K7kndG6dZ5SL82jGD/4+51aPMIUYOApAxAVUYKR/8RkQ sFcrQSIpUUohrLc+pPw7GEQh212WA4V3y0RqMQlwg0cvYl9EEE0jjxjgcp/R9gpdC90a JQJblbIfxiJUngEB97c3yJUyrsygEHEdS1Mz3gjwfu/mrGDnhsZOnIpxSkdIqRsOm50i Fx375J6doMo20DVroas0wUXJyCdR8pg90h57Q08ED41ARZbwBdWxWN80VZ2bxaAL8Nau 6yl5ooDDggO7mL48VxTrOz5jbNzli1nAsQMBJ+XwVOAzu+VPjqfq9rzRKEFwgvuVmWSz 0HCQ== Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:36:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <08202DEA-B923-4E24-A3B6-959B6A690095@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 17:35:58 +0000 To: PaulHunt73 , mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] new steering rack From: Paul Root via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0349714815596804644== --001a1141becc13f1a3051bcaac11 The adjustment screw is for the inside. You still use the shims the same way for aligning the rack to the steering column. On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, 3:19 AM PaulHunt73 wrote: > Yes, cut the little tie off, then attach a new one afterwards. Doesn't > need > to be gorilla tight though, just nipped, so you can adjust the tracking > subsequently. > > I'm not familiar with what you have, but have made what sounds to be much > the same thing to measure the toe. Mine has a pointer each side that you > position against a specific point in the centre of the tread, with the car > moved back and fore so that point moves between in front and behind i.e. > through 180 degrees, and always in horizontal alignment with the centre of > the stub axle when you take a measurement. The important thing is to take > the measurements at the same point on the tyres, anything else will be > subject to tyre distortions and positioning on the wheel. > > I knew Moss were supplying grease-packed, but not heard of an adjustment > screw. Is that in place of the shims? Can't see why that would need > maintenance, in fact giving someone an adjustment screw instead of taking > the time to set up the shims correctly in the factory seems sloppy to me, > and asking for trouble with those who see an adjustment screw and decide to > fiddle with it. > > PaulH. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > The rack boots come secured with tie wraps. While trying to do an > > alignment, the boots turned with the rod. Should I cut of the tie wrap > and > > put a new one on after finishing? > > -- Paul. sent from my iPad --001a1141becc13f1a3051bcaac11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The adjustment screw is for the inside. You still use the sh= ims the same way for aligning the rack to the steering column.


On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, 3:19 = AM=C2=A0PaulHunt73 <paulhu= nt73@virginmedia.com> wrote:
Yes, cut the little tie off, then attach a new one afterwards.=C2=A0 Doesn= 't need
to be gorilla tight though, just nipped, so you can adjust the tracking
subsequently.

I'm not familiar with what you have, but have made what sounds to be mu= ch
the same thing to measure the toe.=C2=A0 Mine has a pointer each side that = you
position against a specific point in the centre of the tread, with the car<= br> moved back and fore so that point moves between in front and behind i.e. through 180 degrees, and always in horizontal alignment with the centre of<= br> the stub axle when you take a measurement.=C2=A0 The important thing is to = take
the measurements at the same point on the tyres, anything else will be
subject to tyre distortions and positioning on the wheel.

I knew Moss were supplying grease-packed, but not heard of an adjustment screw.=C2=A0 Is that in place of the shims?=C2=A0 Can't see why that wo= uld need
maintenance, in fact giving someone an adjustment screw instead of taking the time to set up the shims correctly in the factory seems sloppy to me, and asking for trouble with those who see an adjustment screw and decide to=
fiddle with it.

PaulH.


----- Original Message -----
> The rack boots come secured with tie wraps. While trying to do an
> alignment, the boots turned with the rod. Should I cut of the tie wrap= and
> put a new one on after finishing?

--
Paul.

sent from my= iPad --001a1141becc13f1a3051bcaac11-- --===============0349714815596804644== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0349714815596804644==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 27 01:38:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719B32584E6D for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8FD258081C for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id xKen1q0034LtS4201KenZm; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:38:47 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=ShURbAptD1MtHWmsfq0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8N9xNW4y5Yb55DpOpt0A:9 a=goFEL1xbcG3FU6b5:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "Paul Root" , References: <08202DEA-B923-4E24-A3B6-959B6A690095@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:12:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] new steering rack From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1705153222973927048== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01D0C843.F803FF80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D0C843.F803FF80 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I meant the shims under the pinion cover, not the shims between rack and = mounting brackets. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 The adjustment screw is for the inside. You still use the shims the = same way for aligning the rack to the steering column. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D0C843.F803FF80 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I meant the shims under the pinion cover, not the = shims=20 between rack and mounting brackets.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
The adjustment screw is for the inside. You still use the shims = the same=20 way for aligning the rack to the steering=20 column.
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01D0C843.F803FF80-- --===============1705153222973927048== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1705153222973927048==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 27 16:01:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834A1258596F for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585FB2584708 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BedroomPC (ool-18beb49a.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.180.154]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NS600CJG2I3JXL0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:01:23 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AdDItvL5NCrFYtDvSr+G1Ixlercgrg== Subject: [Mgs] Alignment tool From: John Di Fede via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1818692896283618795== boundary="Boundary_(ID_P1FjTjlPXzoy/clQLDQQ9Q)" Content-language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_P1FjTjlPXzoy/clQLDQQ9Q) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Paul, I have the same alignment tool. Place the tool behind the front wheels and set the pointer to zero. Then place the tool in front of the front wheels and the pointer should indicate toe in of 1/16" ( I think this is the spec - check you manual). Make sure that your steering wheel is centered. If the toe in is not within spec, turn the tie rod ends on each side equally until you have the correct measurement. Lots of trial and error involved. It may take you a while to get it correct. John DiFede I have the directions and can scan an d send them to you if necessary. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --Boundary_(ID_P1FjTjlPXzoy/clQLDQQ9Q) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Paul,

 

= I have the same alignment tool.   Place the tool behind the front= wheels and set the pointer to zero.   Then place the tool in fro= nt of the front wheels and the pointer should indicate toe in of 1/16”= ; ( I think this is the spec -  check you manual).  Make sure tha= t your steering wheel is centered.  If the toe in is not within spec, = turn the tie rod ends on each side equally until you have the correct measu= rement.  Lots of trial and error involved.  It may take you a whi= le to get it correct.     

 

John DiFede

=

 

I have the d= irections and can scan an d send them to you if necessary.

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= --Boundary_(ID_P1FjTjlPXzoy/clQLDQQ9Q)-- --===============1818692896283618795== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1818692896283618795==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 28 01:27:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA08258017D for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 01:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-8.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B36E2580114 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 01:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-8-imp with bizsmtp id xjS31q0074LtS4201jS3fP; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:26:03 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=fMVEHjKSAaqSR_IkIskA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=_NOQoRI6j_SAz6qsk-QA:9 a=bbdTqnRX9ZfVxcLT:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "John Di Fede" , References: <000901d0c8b7$c6b9f370$542dda50$@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:06:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alignment tool From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7008458097447857553== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01D0C90C.3D7B5DB0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01D0C90C.3D7B5DB0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You don't say anything about rolling the car back and fore so you use = the same point on the tyre for both measurements. If you don't do that, = but measure different points on the tyre, you are dependent on the shape = and fitment of the tyre. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 I have the same alignment tool. Place the tool behind the front = wheels and set the pointer to zero. Then place the tool in front of = the front wheels and the pointer should indicate toe in of 1/16" ( I = think this is the spec - check you manual). Make sure that your = steering wheel is centered. If the toe in is not within spec, turn the = tie rod ends on each side equally until you have the correct = measurement. Lots of trial and error involved. It may take you a while = to get it correct. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01D0C90C.3D7B5DB0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You don't say anything about rolling the car back = and fore so=20 you use the same point on the tyre for both measurements.  If you = don't do=20 that, but measure different points on the tyre, you are dependent on the = shape=20 and fitment of the tyre.
 
PaulH.
 
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I have the same alignment tool.   Place = the tool=20 behind the front wheels and set the pointer to zero.   Then = place=20 the tool in front of the front wheels and the pointer should indicate = toe in=20 of 1/16=94 ( I think this is the spec -  check you manual).  = Make sure=20 that your steering wheel is centered.  If the toe in is not = within spec,=20 turn the tie rod ends on each side equally until you have the correct=20 measurement.  Lots of trial and error involved.  It may take = you a=20 while to get it correct. =20    

------=_NextPart_000_002F_01D0C90C.3D7B5DB0-- --===============7008458097447857553== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7008458097447857553==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 28 07:04:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D821F2587DEF for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from pacmmta56.windstream.net (pacmmta56.windstream.net [162.39.147.222]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630812587C06 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:04:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([75.88.217.233]) by pacmmta56.windstream.net with pacmmta56 id xp4r1q00a52jbLj01p4rjB; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:04:51 -0400 a=/7dD0M7YB8Kc3hkIAGb0QA==:117 a=/7dD0M7YB8Kc3hkIAGb0QA==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=Ov22w-J6AAAA:8 a=Nx-qq3WDD8gA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=opIDVteHxSwrqkQvnhkA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=eCQ1itBE4KqJE2lN68YA:9 a=cU9NbfAN_Zryk-xt:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: pacmmta56.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=ccrobins@ktc.com References: <000901d0c8b7$c6b9f370$542dda50$@optonline.net> To: mgs@autox.team.net Organization: Computer Helpers Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:04:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alignment tool From: Charley & Peggy Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6882782936576632650== boundary="------------000000080104070904020902" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000000080104070904020902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a similar, if not the same, toe-in measuring tool. What I'm leery of is finding a way to insure that each front wheel has the same toe-in angle compared the the rear wheel on the same side. Not easy to ascertain. The tool is rather flexible. CR On 7/28/2015 2:06 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > You don't say anything about rolling the car back and fore so you use > the same point on the tyre for both measurements. If you don't do > that, but measure different points on the tyre, you are dependent on > the shape and fitment of the tyre. > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I have the same alignment tool. Place the tool behind the front > wheels and set the pointer to zero. Then place the tool in front > of the front wheels and the pointer should indicate toe in of > 1/16” ( I think this is the spec - check you manual). Make sure > that your steering wheel is centered. If the toe in is not within > spec, turn the tie rod ends on each side equally until you have > the correct measurement. Lots of trial and error involved. It > may take you a while to get it correct. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/ccrobins@ktc.com --------------000000080104070904020902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a similar, if not the same, toe-in measuring tool.  What I'm leery of is finding a way to insure that each front wheel has the same toe-in angle compared the the rear wheel on the same side.  Not easy to ascertain.  The tool is rather flexible.

CR

On 7/28/2015 2:06 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:
You don't say anything about rolling the car back and fore so you use the same point on the tyre for both measurements.  If you don't do that, but measure different points on the tyre, you are dependent on the shape and fitment of the tyre.
 
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I have the same alignment tool.   Place the tool behind the front wheels and set the pointer to zero.   Then place the tool in front of the front wheels and the pointer should indicate toe in of 1/16” ( I think this is the spec -  check you manual).  Make sure that your steering wheel is centered.  If the toe in is not within spec, turn the tie rod ends on each side equally until you have the correct measurement.  Lots of trial and error involved.  It may take you a while to get it correct.     



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It's not a factor on solid/live axle cars such as = the=20 MGB.  There are no figures for it and it isn't adjustable as the = axle to=20 spring and spring to body mountings are 'fixed'.  Unlike the front = wheels a=20 solid axle should always be zero toe, if not there is something=20 wrong.
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....  = What I'm=20 leery of is finding a way to insure that each front wheel has the same = toe-in=20 angle compared the the rear wheel on the same side. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D0C941.5DE21820-- --===============8453629754942117915== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8453629754942117915==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 28 13:32:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8C72584900 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:32:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E8E2580470 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BedroomPC (ool-18beb49a.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.180.154]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NS700922Q4C6P01@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for mgs@autox.team.net; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:29:09 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AdDJaL582m5yZ68dSuC3ZuH2XVFIkg== Subject: [Mgs] Alignment tool From: John Di Fede via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1721816040179196893== boundary="Boundary_(ID_ufHt+lpCuY7d1wI6u4867A)" Content-language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ufHt+lpCuY7d1wI6u4867A) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The alignment tool is rather primitive. Paul, the instructions do not say to roll the car back and forth so as to measure at the same point on the tire. I never considered that the tire could be fatter or narrower at certain points on the sidewalls. I suppose that could happen if you have raised letters or some type of raised portion of the sidewalls. For that matter a slightly bent wheel could through off the measurement. The tool is just slightly better than measuring toe in using a tape measure. Measure distance across the front of the tires and the back of the tires at the same clock position on the tire ( 9 and 3 o'clock). Front measurement should be 1/16" shorter than the rear measurement. I have set my own toe in on the MG and other hobby cars I own. It is a pain in the A$$ especially when it involves centering the steering wheel. It is all trial and error. At times I have so much time invested that it would have been advantageous to spend $75 at the tire shop. John DiFede --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --Boundary_(ID_ufHt+lpCuY7d1wI6u4867A) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

The alig= nment tool is rather primitive.  Paul, the instructions do not say to = roll the car back and forth so as to measure at the same point on the tire.=    I never considered that the tire could be fatter or narrower a= t certain points on the sidewalls.   I suppose that could happen = if you have raised letters or some type of raised portion of the sidewalls.=    For that matter a slightly bent wheel could through off the me= asurement. 

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>The tool is just slightly better than measuring toe in = using a tape measure.    Measure distance across the front o= f the tires and the back of the tires at the same clock position on the tir= e ( 9  and 3  o’clock).  Front measurement should be 1= /16” shorter than the rear measurement.   I have set my own= toe in on the MG and other hobby cars I own.  It is a pain in the A$$= especially when it involves centering the steering wheel.   &nbs= p;It is all trial and error.  At times I have so much time invested th= at it would have been advantageous to spend $75 at the tire shop.

 

John D= iFede



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= --Boundary_(ID_ufHt+lpCuY7d1wI6u4867A)-- --===============1721816040179196893== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1721816040179196893==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 28 14:06:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055402588F04 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69165258049A for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (108-169-4-203.dynamic.dsl.sonic.net [108.169.4.203] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t6SK6rD2014946 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:06:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:06:53 -0700 References: <000601d0c96b$acd22040$067660c0$@optonline.net> To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alignment tool From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0762560730126242918== --Apple-Mail=_6296E917-65BB-4BF8-AF61-04F2963D94CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Usually you can't measure directly from 3 o=E2=80=99clock to 3 = o=E2=80=99clock, or 9 to 9, anyway =E2=80=94 there is all sorts of = hardware in the way. So you are dropping a vertical to the ground from = these positions, and measuring the distance between that pair of points. = And because of flex in the sidewalls, you really should lift the car off = the ground and set it back down after every adjustment, or have the = tires on a frictionless surface (which of course needs to be absolutely = flat and level, in any case). All of which adds so many potential = inaccuracies of angle and measurement that I would expect the errors = would overwhelm the data. I have done it, but merely as a sanity check after front end work. Then = I have it professionally aligned before I wreck a pair of tires. -- Max Heim '66 MGB GHN3L76149 If you're near Menlo Park, CA, it's the primer red one with chrome wires And now 67 MGB GHN3U137949G Old English White, off-premises for restoration > On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:29 PM, John Di Fede via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > The alignment tool is rather primitive. Paul, the instructions do not = say to roll the car back and forth so as to measure at the same point on = the tire. I never considered that the tire could be fatter or narrower = at certain points on the sidewalls. I suppose that could happen if you = have raised letters or some type of raised portion of the sidewalls. = For that matter a slightly bent wheel could through off the measurement. = =20 > =20 > The tool is just slightly better than measuring toe in using a tape = measure. Measure distance across the front of the tires and the back = of the tires at the same clock position on the tire ( 9 and 3 = o=E2=80=99clock). Front measurement should be 1/16=E2=80=9D shorter = than the rear measurement. I have set my own toe in on the MG and = other hobby cars I own. It is a pain in the A$$ especially when it = involves centering the steering wheel. It is all trial and error. At = times I have so much time invested that it would have been advantageous = to spend $75 at the tire shop.=20 > =20 > John DiFede >=20 >=20 > =09 > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.=20= > www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = --Apple-Mail=_6296E917-65BB-4BF8-AF61-04F2963D94CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Usually you can't measure directly from 3 o=E2=80=99clock to = 3 o=E2=80=99clock, or 9 to 9, anyway =E2=80=94 there is all sorts of = hardware in the way. So you are dropping a vertical to the ground from = these positions, and measuring the distance between that pair of points. = And because of flex in the sidewalls, you really should lift the car off = the ground and set it back down after every adjustment, or have the = tires on a frictionless surface (which of course needs to be absolutely = flat and level, in any case). All of which adds so many potential = inaccuracies of angle and measurement that I would expect the errors = would overwhelm the data.

I have done it, but merely as a sanity check after front end = work. Then I have it professionally aligned before I wreck a pair of = tires.

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If you're near Menlo Park, = CA,
it's = the primer red one with chrome wires
And now 67 MGB GHN3U137949G
Old English White, = off-premises for restoration

On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:29 PM, John Di Fede via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

The = alignment tool is rather primitive.  Paul, the instructions do not = say to roll the car back and forth so as to measure at the same point on = the tire.   I never considered that the tire could be fatter = or narrower at certain points on the sidewalls.   I suppose = that could happen if you have raised letters or some type of raised = portion of the sidewalls.   For that matter a slightly bent = wheel could through off the measurement.  
 
The tool = is just slightly better than measuring toe in using a tape = measure.    Measure distance across the front of the = tires and the back of the tires at the same clock position on the tire ( = 9  and 3  o=E2=80=99clock).  Front measurement should be = 1/16=E2=80=9D shorter than the rear measurement.   I have set = my own toe in on the MG and other hobby cars I own.  It is a pain = in the A$$ especially when it involves centering the steering = wheel.    It is all trial and error.  At times I = have so much time invested that it would have been advantageous to spend = $75 at the tire shop. 
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_6296E917-65BB-4BF8-AF61-04F2963D94CC-- --===============0762560730126242918== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0762560730126242918==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 29 01:31:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB14258528F for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 01:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13253258454B for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 01:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.33.136.201]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id y7X61q00L4LtS42017X6A9; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:31:07 +0100 a=YoHHhzezPWCd72KMXRt8+g==:17 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=ySwn4fUuW4NuxvyjOyQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EX_3OQMAgsc4lCV_raIA:9 a=pNFjoVyFfAlVROs2:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 To: "Max Heim" , References: <000601d0c96b$acd22040$067660c0$@optonline.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:08:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Alignment tool From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6719800825207551894== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01D0C9D5.C44CF820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D0C9D5.C44CF820 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, you roll it back and fore to even out the stresses on the tyre after = making any adjustment. That is standard practice when using = professional alignment equipment, not just home-use kit that started = this thread. When you lift the tyres off the ground and lower it again, = the tyres touch the ground when the suspension is fully extended. The = suspension then proceeds to compress until it is taking the full weight = of the car. There is no telling what stresses will develop between tyre = and ground, and hence be applied to all the steering and suspension = components, during the compression process. ----- Original Message -----=20 ... And because of flex in the sidewalls, you really should lift the = car off the ground and set it back down after every adjustment ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01D0C9D5.C44CF820 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
No, you roll it back and fore to even out the = stresses on the=20 tyre after making any adjustment.  That is standard practice when = using=20 professional alignment equipment, not just home-use kit that = started this=20 thread.  When you lift the tyres off the ground and lower it again, = the=20 tyres touch the ground when the suspension is fully extended.  The=20 suspension then proceeds to compress until it is taking the full weight = of the=20 car.  There is no telling what stresses will develop between tyre = and=20 ground, and hence be applied to all the steering and suspension = components,=20 during the compression process.
----- Original Message -----
...=20 And because of flex in the sidewalls, you really should lift the car = off the=20 ground and set it back down after every=20 adjustment
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