From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 16:20:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A5D2588AEB for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD3D2588762 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 15:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w97L4nFu015988 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:04:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:04:49 -0700 References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5367999745430534380== boundary="Apple-Mail=_FCC46F58-2E0A-4EC0-B941-3251024B50B1" --Apple-Mail=_FCC46F58-2E0A-4EC0-B941-3251024B50B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is = malfunctioning. It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was = reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180. Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into = my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with = the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm. >=20 > Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6 >=20 > The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D = the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound = up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom = tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, = I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started = disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body = to another. >=20 > With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, = and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely = recoring it. >=20 > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB >=20 >> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase >=20 >> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you = were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20 >>=20 >> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to = puncture a metal radiator!=20 >>=20 >> Dan D >> '76B, '65B >> Central NJ USA >> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >>=20 >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs > I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got = my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of = the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new = Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, = so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio = to Marin Civic Center.=20 >>=20 >> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad = place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>=20 >> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the = plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my = photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was = already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had = purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was = still in the paint shop. >>=20 >> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon = 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was = irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>=20 >> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed = the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected = the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell = and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I = can save the cam. >>=20 >> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I = should be able to have it back together this weekend. >>=20 >> A few tips based on my experience: >>=20 >> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I = would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a = timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D = and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20 >>=20 >> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and = lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new = lifters were just starting to pit in 2018. >>=20 >> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA purchased = prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose if it = hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air = bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported = incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry. >>=20 >> Buy British, Buy Best! >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net --Apple-Mail=_FCC46F58-2E0A-4EC0-B941-3251024B50B1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature = gauge is malfunctioning.

It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what = it was reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any = suggestions?

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Actually, when = we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 = Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the = Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.

Not the first = participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6

The plastic blade = didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, = actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing = several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade = being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I = didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly = =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly = developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With = 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the = radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring = it.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I = bet you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though. 

Just tells you how fast = these things spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal = radiator! 

Dan = D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 = at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I haven=E2=80=99= t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D= 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on = Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within = the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it = got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic = Center. 

I = made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad = place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination = of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of = the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a = manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and = out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order = back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.

But regardless, they = decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new = aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought = this was pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head at the machine = shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In = the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at = British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing = pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

Now I just need to pick = up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back = together this weekend.

A few tips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed = out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA = would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported = myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to = get a tow. 

2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam = and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The = new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss = USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

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= --Apple-Mail=_FCC46F58-2E0A-4EC0-B941-3251024B50B1-- --===============5367999745430534380== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5367999745430534380==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 18:07:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4FC2588AE3 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D272588734 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w97Nc5jd019051 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:38:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:38:04 -0700 References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1764563722457269615== boundary="Apple-Mail=_BD2ACD4E-80DC-44C5-BA15-E7060A518015" --Apple-Mail=_BD2ACD4E-80DC-44C5-BA15-E7060A518015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 How could the capsule get damaged? I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. = Then I replaced it after replacing the head. Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading = while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner fender. I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know it = responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. = The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure = out what that would be. I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. = Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating = episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, = preventing it from recoiling? -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net > On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H wrote: >=20 > Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20 > If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in the = little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the = beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged = during the R&R. > Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of = hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is = malfunctioning. >=20 > It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was = reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180. >=20 > Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >=20 >=20 > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB >=20 >> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs >=20 >> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage = into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up = with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by = 7pm. >>=20 >> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6= >>=20 >> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D = the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound = up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom = tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, = I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started = disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body = to another. >>=20 >> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, = and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely = recoring it. >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >>=20 >>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase >>=20 >>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you = were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20 >>>=20 >>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to = puncture a metal radiator!=20 >>>=20 >>> Dan D >>> '76B, '65B >>> Central NJ USA >>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs = >>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got = my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of = the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new = Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, = so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio = to Marin Civic Center.=20 >>>=20 >>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a = bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>>=20 >>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the = plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my = photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was = already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had = purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was = still in the paint shop. >>>=20 >>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon = 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was = irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>>=20 >>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed = the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected = the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell = and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I = can save the cam. >>>=20 >>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I = should be able to have it back together this weekend. >>>=20 >>> A few tips based on my experience: >>>=20 >>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I = would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a = timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D = and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20 >>>=20 >>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and = lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new = lifters were just starting to pit in 2018. >>>=20 >>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA purchased = prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose if it = hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air = bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported = incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry. >>>=20 >>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_BD2ACD4E-80DC-44C5-BA15-E7060A518015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 How could the capsule get damaged?

I unscrewed it from the head, and = gently pulled the tube out of the way. Then I replaced it after = replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge = was reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the = inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I = already know it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube = is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99= t figure out what that would be.

I know there is a flattened tube rolled = into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have unrolled beyond its intended = limit during the overheating episode, and is now hung up on some = protuberance inside the housing, preventing it from recoiling?


--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com> = wrote:

  Yours has the non-electric temp sender = and gauge? 
  If it does, the gauge is moved = by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed = into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that = the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the = R&R.
  Test by removing capsule from = engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your = hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I just got the engine back = together, but now the temperature gauge is malfunctioning.

It seems to have got = stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even = tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp (estimated, = of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at = 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat housing at = around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Actually, = when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 = Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the = Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.

Not the first = participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6

The plastic blade = didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, = actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing = several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade = being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I = didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly = =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly = developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With = 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the = radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring = it.

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, = Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you couldn't = participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. Good = recovery by Moss, though. 

Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic = blade to puncture a metal radiator! 

Dan D
'76B, = '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 = at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I haven=E2=80=99= t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D= 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on = Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within = the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it = got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic = Center. 

I = made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad = place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination = of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of = the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a = manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and = out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order = back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.

But regardless, they = decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new = aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought = this was pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head at the machine = shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In = the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at = British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing = pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

Now I just need to pick = up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back = together this weekend.

A few tips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed = out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA = would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported = myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to = get a tow. 

2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam = and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The = new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss = USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

--
Max Heim
'66 = MGB
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= --Apple-Mail=_BD2ACD4E-80DC-44C5-BA15-E7060A518015-- --===============1764563722457269615== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1764563722457269615==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 18:29:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6362587B47 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A6D258809B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 17:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w97NiRds025340 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:44:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 16:44:27 -0700 References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> <4E21CA0C-32C0-4254-A77F-38FB1B34013D@sonic.net> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4347540894879140914== boundary="Apple-Mail=_33816830-2B4A-489C-A46A-11CDF7AF087A" --Apple-Mail=_33816830-2B4A-489C-A46A-11CDF7AF087A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest: "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99s= way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the = movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an = easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of = the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey" =E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The = problem is, the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it = leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had = the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of = nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr. I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one = repaired, then sell one later. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim wrote: >=20 > How could the capsule get damaged? >=20 > I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the = way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head. >=20 > Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was = reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner = fender. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know = it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. = The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure = out what that would be. >=20 > I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. = Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating = episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, = preventing it from recoiling? >=20 >=20 > -- > Max Heim >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H >=20 >> Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20 >> If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in = the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from = the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube = damaged during the R&R. >> Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of = hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs > I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is = malfunctioning. >>=20 >> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was = reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180. >>=20 >> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >>=20 >>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs >>=20 >>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage = into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up = with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by = 7pm. >>>=20 >>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6= >>>=20 >>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D = the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound = up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom = tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, = I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started = disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body = to another. >>>=20 >>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, = and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely = recoring it. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>>=20 >>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase >>>=20 >>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you = were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to = puncture a metal radiator!=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Dan D >>>> '76B, '65B >>>> Central NJ USA >>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs = >>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got = my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of = the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new = Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, = so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio = to Marin Civic Center.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a = bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>>>=20 >>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the = plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my = photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was = already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had = purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was = still in the paint shop. >>>>=20 >>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" = nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me = mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>>>=20 >>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed = the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected = the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell = and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I = can save the cam. >>>>=20 >>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I = should be able to have it back together this weekend. >>>>=20 >>>> A few tips based on my experience: >>>>=20 >>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I = would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a = timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D = and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and = lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new = lifters were just starting to pit in 2018. >>>>=20 >>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA = purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry. >>>>=20 >>>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> '66 MGB >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>=20 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>=20 >>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_33816830-2B4A-489C-A46A-11CDF7AF087A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to = suggest:

  =  "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99= s way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the = movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an = easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of = the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"

=E2=80=A6which sounds = kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is = undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage = to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two = weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 = Grr.

I think I = may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, = then sell one later.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net> = wrote:

How could the = capsule get damaged?

I= unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. = Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me = to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule = was resting on the inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test = would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so = the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge = end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.

I know there is a = flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have = unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and = is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it = from recoiling?


--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com> = wrote:

  Yours has the non-electric temp sender = and gauge? 
  If it does, the gauge is moved = by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed = into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that = the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the = R&R.
  Test by removing capsule from = engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your = hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I just got the engine back = together, but now the temperature gauge is malfunctioning.

It seems to have got = stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even = tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp (estimated, = of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at = 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat housing at = around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Actually, = when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 = Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the = Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.

Not the first = participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6

The plastic blade = didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, = actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing = several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade = being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I = didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly = =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly = developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With = 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the = radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring = it.

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, = Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you couldn't = participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. Good = recovery by Moss, though. 

Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic = blade to puncture a metal radiator! 

Dan D
'76B, = '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 = at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I haven=E2=80=99= t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D= 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on = Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within = the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it = got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic = Center. 

I = made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad = place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination = of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of = the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a = manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and = out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order = back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.

But regardless, they = decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new = aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought = this was pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head at the machine = shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In = the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at = British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing = pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

Now I just need to pick = up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back = together this weekend.

A few tips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed = out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA = would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported = myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to = get a tow. 

2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam = and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The = new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss = USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

--
Max Heim
'66 = MGB
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= --Apple-Mail=_33816830-2B4A-489C-A46A-11CDF7AF087A-- --===============4347540894879140914== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4347540894879140914==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 18:52:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098232588A51 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D4025886E7 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:10:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmgw14.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.14]) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB551404CE for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:10:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box522.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.122]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 9J86gJrvrvdTu9J86ggEAd; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 18:10:34 -0600 ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References :In-Reply-To:Subject:From:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Message-ID:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=YgsUnr54wSGZ6HdW9YdQ18NwJWL7afETeN9bkTCKXgs=; b=zhXxKUmkq1sgFUMKuOyS0N7XPk /jIvtIbGM+5Ily4TjZsFN8Fd4UX88+CHWljfqO4fNVmn2LWv4hkn7++C0LPZamyVeeuv+GlAHlh9e Cu8pqDoMBxUmDrdzTrB6Os2t9; Received: from c-76-24-166-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([76.24.166.40]:51449 helo=BarneysPC.mgaguru.com) by box522.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1g9J85-0033ue-Oy; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 18:10:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 20:10:16 -0400 To: Max Heim ,mglist References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> please include it with any abuse report [76.24.166.40]:51449 Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Remove the gauge from the dash. Unscrew the font = chome ring to remove the face glass. Place the = sensor bulb in boiling water. Pull off the = needle, reposition it to point at 212dF, and = press it back on. You can then use a thermometer = with variable water temperatures to check if the = gauge reads correctly at diffeent temperatures. When it works properly it can read higher = temperatures up into the oil pressure range. The = temperature needle should run out of mechanical = travel around 82-psi (if you can warm it up to = about 250dF). If it stops before it gets that = far, then the bourdon tube may have been stetched = beyond its electic limit by overheating, in which all bets are off on accur= acy. Barney Gaylord 1958 MGA with an attitude http://MGAguru.com At 05:04 PM 10/7/2018, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >I just got the engine back together, but now the = >temperature gauge is malfunctioning. > >It seems to have got stuck at about 220. = >That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even tried = >to start the car. After warming up to operating = >temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had = >climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at = >85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the = >thermostat housing at around 180. > >Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >-- >Max Heim >'66 MGB >.... _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 19:35:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4526E258886B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f53.google.com (mail-ed1-f53.google.com [209.85.208.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACBA258894A for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f53.google.com with SMTP id z21-v6so11694627edb.11 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 18:07:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xfrXlrw7ofQ2AaP0LZ+ay1VEbn5D6CBtaZQ43QrqubI=; b=pm2+kx4+/P8PkDO/Ev/2Cv8wFpePAc8PTcQkR2pwQ70PakiyWkeLlEDItsZ0RmPRng bkI3/M76CiuYV/0YOAXX1cJ7AVF6drqBWub8GzWNodZy+2Asgthl4pFFuWYO+Ag/7Wqt xoqsc3mxXPp8YjrEoAJuVeRdrsRw7+7kujC3kG+VhLqA7MXv3uF+am8F0Wp+Iwdq5cSV m4J0ZcZ6fGoeQiN0tSXG680ylhGTHr/kHq7mCYL/LQRnoJZhGO+PINrMQmxDIZ5PWr6z C0VZR+POrKlhRrD+nHNjYpQCxQWYcdLQvONlQFfj+IcdcbDW16kIRx0GpW+O3/hRKN7C ossA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xfrXlrw7ofQ2AaP0LZ+ay1VEbn5D6CBtaZQ43QrqubI=; b=hwrkCk7pQcU4KSAsn22jLGirHtipmhjRG8KO/XO3f+t77PMQ+icl4TXALSOW5tW8yu GB9aPz/gRSokirquACaXlM7P81L1gEyHgktxVorRCubWDBZomQSGSH4aAYVMO4tty2xQ /fV0am4i6EFY6wAzd5B8/fiQxSBHr+B2SfDh9TIFZl6v9qtF8te2Aw3D4jjKkTTHHxNx GoEyUqzp8tkjG2pJ6rElHVHemRpZAz1X+mSAUDNEl0Y4v7vPlVF7AGEuSI6yR+P3+IP2 HFK5KFNXX1hfZxWpK1AAHG6tw+dr2ztDvnXkMmGsbFZ18F1Bk3hIklc+3jDOZwBQodtA cR7A== pXvZjo/Lct7hP0prRhl5482SFf3hPl02eJuoshY= z6-v6mr21093973ejo.144.1538960818062; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 18:06:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> <4E21CA0C-32C0-4254-A77F-38FB1B34013D@sonic.net> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:06:46 -0700 To: Max Heim Cc: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: i erbs via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6114447783189068263== --000000000000e24b3d0577ad3c30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the pointers and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are gummy Ira Erbs Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes 1967 MGB [image: MG] A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > How could the capsule get damaged? > > I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. > Then I replaced it after replacing the head. > > Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading > while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner fender. > > I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know it r= esponds > to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. The problem > seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that w= ould be. > > I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. > Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating > episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, > preventing it from recoiling? > > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H wrote: > > Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge? > If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in the > little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the > beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged > during the R&R. > Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot > water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. > Bob > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs > wrote: > >> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is >> malfunctioning. >> >> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was read= ing >> before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp >> (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone= , >> reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat >> housing at around 180. >> >> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote= : >> >> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into m= y >> 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with th= e >> Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm. >> >> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6 >> >> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the= radiator, actually. But >> it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing several tubes ri= ght >> where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade being caught on the >> lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I didn't even know that it >> had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming = the 50+ >> year old radiator had just suddenly developed a stress crack after being >> transferred from one body to another. >> >> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and >> the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recor= ing >> it. >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: >> >> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were >> disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though. >> >> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to >> puncture a metal radiator! >> >> Dan D >> '76B, '65B >> Central NJ USA >> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs >> wrote: >> >>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my = =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 >>> B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on Se= pt. >>> 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the >>> first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it go= t =E2=80=94 >>> from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center. >>> >>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad >>> place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traf= fic >>> doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Tota= l >>> mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>> >>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plasti= c >>> right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of >>> this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already= out >>> of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as par= t of a large >>> order back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop. >>> >>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon >>> 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was >>> irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>> >>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed the >>> surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected the >>> lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell and >>> found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I can s= ave >>> the cam. >>> >>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should >>> be able to have it back together this weekend. >>> >>> A few tips based on my experience: >>> >>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would >>> have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a timely >>> manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off = the highway, it took >>> 4 hours to get a tow. >>> >>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and lifter= s >>> due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new lifters = were >>> just starting to pit in 2018. >>> >>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA purchased >>> prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose if i= t >>> hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air bubb= les in a critical >>> location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incidents. The current >>> product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern by a differe= nt >>> maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for worry. >>> >>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.co= m > --000000000000e24b3d0577ad3c30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove th= e pointers and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are gummy=C2=A0= =C2=A0
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_____= _ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes
=


1967 MGB =C2=A03D"MG"
=
A racing car is an= animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Pl= ease excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
<= /div>

On Sun, Oct = 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
How could the capsule get damaged?
I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube o= ut of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

<= /div>
Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was = reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner fen= der.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demo= nstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so the capillar= y tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can= =E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.

I know t= here is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have= unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and is = now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it from rec= oiling?


--
Max Heim



On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <= ;mgbobh@gmail.com= > wrote:

=C2=A0 Yours has the non-electric temp sender and ga= uge?=C2=A0
=C2=A0 If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expand= ing ether in the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it read= s 220 from the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the = tube damaged during the R&R.
=C2=A0 Test by removing capsule = from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with yo= ur hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.= net> wrote:
I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is= malfunctioning.

It seems to have got stuck at about 220= . That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even tried to start the car. = After warming up to operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had cl= imbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap= temp gun had the thermostat housing at around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>= ; wrote:

Actually, wh= en we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 Barracud= a convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the Melee. Reached= the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.

Not= the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6
<= div>
The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpunct= ure=E2=80=9D the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, = and wound up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bott= om tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution,= I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I starte= d disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just s= uddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to a= nother.

With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, = it lost coolant instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable ot= her than by completely recoring it.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018= , at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I = bet you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=C2=A0

Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to p= uncture a metal radiator!=C2=A0

Dan D
'76B= , '65B

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrot= e:
I hav= en=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9C= new=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California= Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan= within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far = as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.= =C2=A0

I made the mistake of trying to get it to t= he next exit (it was a bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound w= all and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a = blown head gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air poc= ket in the plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accep= ted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan= was already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purcha= sed it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was still in= the paint shop.

But regardless, they decided to s= end me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new alumin= um radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought this was= pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head a= t the machine shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the va= lves. In the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave = at British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing pit= ting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

No= w I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be abl= e to have it back together this weekend.

A few tip= s based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If= I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, = and AAA would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reporte= d myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get= a tow.=C2=A0

2. Check your lifters every so often= . I had replaced the cam and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime betwee= n 1998 and 2010. The new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA pur= chased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose i= f it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air bub= bles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incident= s. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern b= y a different maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for w= orry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

--
Max Heim
&#= 39;66 MGB
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--000000000000e24b3d0577ad3c30-- --===============6114447783189068263== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6114447783189068263==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 7 20:44:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2AE2580547 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 20:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C15025889FE for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 19:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w981hYl9002658 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:43:34 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 18:43:33 -0700 References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> <4E21CA0C-32C0-4254-A77F-38FB1B34013D@sonic.net> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4302896605858526189== boundary="Apple-Mail=_8C56DCA5-CD88-4EE4-94FE-256E68C2A060" --Apple-Mail=_8C56DCA5-CD88-4EE4-94FE-256E68C2A060 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 That=E2=80=99s a possibility, I suppose, but it was professionally = rebuilt only a few years ago. And that was just because I broke the = capillary tube =E2=80=94 it was working fine. What I just did, based on some other responses, was pop off the bezel = and glass, pull the needle, and reset it to rest position. It=E2=80=99s getting dark, and it's parked behind my other car, so I = will wait until tomorrow to test it. Thanks for all the suggestions. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, i erbs =20 > check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the pointers = and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are gummy =20 > Ira Erbs > Portland,OR > _______ _______ > (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > BT7 engine and disk brakes >=20 >=20 > 1967 MGB =20 >=20 > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs How could the capsule get damaged? >=20 > I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the = way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head. >=20 > Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was = reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner = fender. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know = it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. = The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure = out what that would be. >=20 > I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. = Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating = episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, = preventing it from recoiling? >=20 >=20 > -- > Max Heim >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H >=20 >> Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20 >> If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in = the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from = the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube = damaged during the R&R. >> Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of = hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs > I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is = malfunctioning. >>=20 >> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was = reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180. >>=20 >> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >>=20 >>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs >>=20 >>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage = into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up = with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by = 7pm. >>>=20 >>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6= >>>=20 >>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D = the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound = up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom = tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, = I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started = disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body = to another. >>>=20 >>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, = and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely = recoring it. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>>=20 >>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase >>>=20 >>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you = were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to = puncture a metal radiator!=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Dan D >>>> '76B, '65B >>>> Central NJ USA >>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs = >>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got = my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of = the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new = Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, = so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio = to Marin Civic Center.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a = bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>>>=20 >>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the = plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my = photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was = already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had = purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was = still in the paint shop. >>>>=20 >>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" = nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me = mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>>>=20 >>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed = the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected = the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell = and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I = can save the cam. >>>>=20 >>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I = should be able to have it back together this weekend. >>>>=20 >>>> A few tips based on my experience: >>>>=20 >>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I = would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a = timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D = and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and = lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new = lifters were just starting to pit in 2018. >>>>=20 >>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA = purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry. >>>>=20 >>>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> '66 MGB >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>=20 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>=20 >>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com = -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net --Apple-Mail=_8C56DCA5-CD88-4EE4-94FE-256E68C2A060 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8
That=E2=80=99s a possibility, I suppose, but it was = professionally rebuilt only a few years ago. And that was just because I = broke the capillary tube =E2=80=94 it was working fine.
What I just did, based on some other = responses, was pop off the bezel and glass, pull the needle, and reset = it to rest position.

It=E2=80=99s getting dark, and it's parked behind my other = car, so I will wait until tomorrow to test it.

Thanks for all the = suggestions.

--
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'66 MGB

On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:06 PM, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>= wrote:

check to see if the gauge needs cleaning. Gently remove the = pointers and remove the gauge face. most likely the gears are = gummy  
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
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     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ = _______)
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    =       BT7 engine and disk brakes


1967= MGB  3D"MG"

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti
Please excuse random = auto corrects and misspelled = words


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:13 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
How = could the capsule get damaged?

I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out = of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never = occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off = and the capsule was resting on the inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test = would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so = the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge = end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.

I know there is a = flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have = unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and = is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it = from recoiling?


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On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

  Yours has the non-electric = temp sender and gauge? 
  If it does, the gauge is = moved by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is = screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is = that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the = R&R.
  Test by removing capsule = from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with = your hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, = 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I just got the engine back = together, but now the temperature gauge is malfunctioning.

It seems to have got = stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even = tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp (estimated, = of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at = 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat housing at = around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?


--
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'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the = luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to = catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red = Bluff by 7pm.

Not = the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6
<= div class=3D"">
The plastic blade = didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, = actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing = several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade = being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I = didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly = =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly = developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With = 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the = radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring = it.

--
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'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, = Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you = couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. = Good recovery by Moss, though. 

Just tells you how fast these things = spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator! 

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 = at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I haven=E2=80=99= t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D= 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on = Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within = the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it = got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic = Center. 

I = made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad = place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination = of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of = the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a = manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and = out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order = back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.

But regardless, they = decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new = aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought = this was pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head at the machine = shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In = the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at = British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing = pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

Now I just need to pick = up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back = together this weekend.

A few tips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed = out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA = would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported = myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to = get a tow. 

2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam = and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The = new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss = USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

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'66 = MGB
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(Other than fires) ;-) Dan D '76B, '65B Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest: > > "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99= s way out > of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the movement > carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at a= ll. You > can send it and it will all depend on the extent of the damage if we can > repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey" > > =E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The probl= em is, > the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open= passage > to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two we= eks all > year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr. > > I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one > repaired, then sell one later. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim wrote: > > How could the capsule get damaged? > > I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. > Then I replaced it after replacing the head. > > Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was reading > while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner fender. > > I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know it r= esponds > to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. The problem > seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that w= ould be. > > I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. > Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating > episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, > preventing it from recoiling? > > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H wrote: > > Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge? > If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in the > little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from the > beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged > during the R&R. > Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot > water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. > Bob > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs > wrote: > >> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is >> malfunctioning. >> >> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was read= ing >> before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to operating temp >> (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the oil pressure zone= , >> reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun had the thermostat >> housing at around 180. >> >> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote= : >> >> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into m= y >> 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with th= e >> Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm. >> >> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6 >> >> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the= radiator, actually. But >> it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing several tubes ri= ght >> where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade being caught on the >> lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I didn't even know that it >> had thrown a blade until I started disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming = the 50+ >> year old radiator had just suddenly developed a stress crack after being >> transferred from one body to another. >> >> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and >> the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recor= ing >> it. >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> >> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: >> >> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were >> disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though. >> >> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to >> puncture a metal radiator! >> >> Dan D >> '76B, '65B >> Central NJ USA >> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs >> wrote: >> >>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my = =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 >>> B roadster together in time for the start of the California Melee on Se= pt. >>> 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the >>> first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it go= t =E2=80=94 >>> from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center. >>> >>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad >>> place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traf= fic >>> doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Tota= l >>> mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>> >>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the plasti= c >>> right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my photo of >>> this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was already= out >>> of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as par= t of a large >>> order back in 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop. >>> >>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon >>> 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was >>> irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>> >>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had skimmed the >>> surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had inspected the >>> lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in Campbell and >>> found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them now I can s= ave >>> the cam. >>> >>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should >>> be able to have it back together this weekend. >>> >>> A few tips based on my experience: >>> >>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would >>> have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a timely >>> manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off = the highway, it took >>> 4 hours to get a tow. >>> >>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and lifter= s >>> due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new lifters = were >>> just starting to pit in 2018. >>> >>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA purchased >>> prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose if i= t >>> hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air bubb= les in a critical >>> location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incidents. The current >>> product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern by a differe= nt >>> maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for worry. >>> >>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --000000000000c4e5c50577b5859f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Youse said -=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind = of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6=C2=A0

Wait, don&= #39;t you live in California where it is nice all year round?! (Other than = fires)=C2=A0 ;-)

Dan D
'76B, '65= B

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via = Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wr= ote:
Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"It means that the movement itself is de= formed that is why it=E2=80=99s way out of calibration. Some of those we ca= n repair by reshaping the movement carefully or just replace the movement. = It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend= on the extent of the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks J= oey"

=E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what = I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is undriveable with the gau= ge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I= =E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind o= f running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr.

I thin= k I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, th= en sell one later.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Hei= m <mvheim@sonic.ne= t> wrote:

How could the capsule get= damaged?

I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulle= d the tube out of the way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what th= e gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on t= he inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the tes= t would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so = the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge end.= I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.

I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Co= uld it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episo= de, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing = it from recoiling?


--
Max Heim



On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <= ;mgbobh@gmail.com= > wrote:

=C2=A0 Yours has the non-electric temp sender and g= auge?=C2=A0
=C2=A0 If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expa= nding ether in the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it re= ads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or th= e tube damaged during the R&R.
=C2=A0 Test by removing capsul= e from engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with = your hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.= net> wrote:
I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge is= malfunctioning.

It seems to have got stuck at about 220= . That=E2=80=99s what it was reading before I even tried to start the car. = After warming up to operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had cl= imbed into the oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap= temp gun had the thermostat housing at around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions?


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>= ; wrote:

Actually, w= hen we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage into my 1967 Barracu= da convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up with the Melee. Reache= d the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by 7pm.

No= t the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6
=

The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpunc= ture=E2=80=9D the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud,= and wound up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bot= tom tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution= , I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I start= ed disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom,= it lost coolant instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable o= ther than by completely recoring it.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 26, 201= 8, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, = I bet you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=C2=A0

<= /div>
Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to= puncture a metal radiator!=C2=A0

Dan D
'7= 6B, '65B

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wr= ote:
I h= aven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I got my =E2=80= =9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the start of the Califor= nia Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew off the new Moss plastic = fan within the first ten miles and punctured the radiator, so that was as f= ar as it got =E2=80=94 from the San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Cente= r.=C2=A0

I made the mistake of trying to get it to= the next exit (it was a bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound= wall and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and = a blown head gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air p= ocket in the plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss acc= epted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of f= an was already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purc= hased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was still = in the paint shop.

But regardless, they decided to= send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new alum= inum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought this w= as pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head= at the machine shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the = valves. In the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dav= e at British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing p= itting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

= Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be a= ble to have it back together this weekend.

A few t= ips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. = If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket= , and AAA would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had repor= ted myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to g= et a tow.=C2=A0

2. Check your lifters every so oft= en. I had replaced the cam and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime betw= een 1998 and 2010. The new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.
=

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA p= urchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I suppose= if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t have air b= ubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen reported incide= nts. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a different pattern= by a different maker in a different material, so should not be a cause for= worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB
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--000000000000c4e5c50577b5859f-- --===============7878529568524708055== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7878529568524708055==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 16:50:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0FB2588BC4 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6738F2588628 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w98KQtCs009785 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:26:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:26:54 -0700 References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> <4E21CA0C-32C0-4254-A77F-38FB1B34013D@sonic.net> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7178446116334075995== boundary="Apple-Mail=_09882F93-0F85-41A8-8DA2-404308799F3B" --Apple-Mail=_09882F93-0F85-41A8-8DA2-404308799F3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m in NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from = November to April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, = and leave it on through March, depending on the state of drought. Anyway, I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When I = judged it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at about = 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA = (makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper = radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and = reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99= t fully cooled down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the = rest point. I=E2=80=99ll check it in a few hours and see what it has gone down to. Someone suggested the needle had slipped. That seems to match most of = the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s hard to see how that might have = occurred, given that the needle was attached firmly when I went to reset = it. I am theorizing that when the temperature exceeded the intended = travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, which is why I have had to move = the needle to correct the range of travel. Anyway, this approach seems = very promising so far. For now, I am leaving the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily = remove the bezel. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: >=20 > Youse said - I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all = year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6=20 >=20 > Wait, don't you live in California where it is nice all year round?! = (Other than fires) ;-) >=20 > Dan D > '76B, '65B > Central NJ USA=20 > http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >=20 > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest: >=20 > "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99= s way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the = movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an = easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of = the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey" >=20 > =E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The = problem is, the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it = leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had = the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of = nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr. >=20 > I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one = repaired, then sell one later. >=20 > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB >=20 >> On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim >=20 >> How could the capsule get damaged? >>=20 >> I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the = way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head. >>=20 >> Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was = reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner = fender. >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know = it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. = The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure = out what that would be. >>=20 >> I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. = Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating = episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, = preventing it from recoiling? >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H >>=20 >>> Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20 >>> If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in = the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from = the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube = damaged during the R&R. >>> Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan of = hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. >>> Bob >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs >> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge = is malfunctioning. >>>=20 >>> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was = reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180. >>>=20 >>> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>>=20 >>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs >>>=20 >>>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage = into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up = with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by = 7pm. >>>>=20 >>>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6= >>>>=20 >>>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D = the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound = up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom = tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, = I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started = disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body = to another. >>>>=20 >>>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant = instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by = completely recoring it. >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> '66 MGB >>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase >>>>=20 >>>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet = you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to = puncture a metal radiator!=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dan D >>>>> '76B, '65B >>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ = >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs = >>>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I = got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the = start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew = off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured = the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San = Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a = bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the = plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my = photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was = already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had = purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was = still in the paint shop. >>>>>=20 >>>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" = nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me = mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had = skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had = inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in = Campbell and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them = now I can save the cam. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I = should be able to have it back together this weekend. >>>>>=20 >>>>> A few tips based on my experience: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I = would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a = timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D = and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and = lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new = lifters were just starting to pit in 2018. >>>>>=20 >>>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA = purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> Max Heim >>>>> '66 MGB >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>=20 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>=20 >>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_09882F93-0F85-41A8-8DA2-404308799F3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m in NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), = lasting from November to April. I usually put the hardtop on at the = first heavy rain, and leave it on through March, depending on the state = of drought.

Anyway, = I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When I judged = it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at about 150=C2=BA= . The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA (makes sense = =E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper radiator temp at = 177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and reset the needle to = 180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99t fully cooled = down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the rest = point.

I=E2=80=99= ll check it in a few hours and see what it has gone down to.

Someone suggested the = needle had slipped. That seems to match most of the observed facts, but = it=E2=80=99s hard to see how that might have occurred, given that the = needle was attached firmly when I went to reset it. I am theorizing that = when the temperature exceeded the intended travel, the coil slipped a = gear tooth, which is why I have had to move the needle to correct the = range of travel. Anyway, this approach seems very promising so = far.

For now, = I am leaving the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily remove the = bezel.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

Youse said -  I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 = kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 

Wait, don't you live in California = where it is nice all year round?! (Other than fires)  ;-)

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA 
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at = MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:

   "It means that the = movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99s way out of = calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the movement = carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at = all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of the damage = if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"

=E2=80=A6which sounds = kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is = undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage = to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two = weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 = Grr.

I think I = may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, = then sell one later.

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net> wrote:

How could the = capsule get damaged?

I= unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. = Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me = to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule = was resting on the inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test = would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so = the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge = end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.

I know there is a = flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have = unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and = is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it = from recoiling?


--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

  Yours has the non-electric temp sender = and gauge? 
  If it does, the gauge is moved = by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed = into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that = the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the = R&R.
  Test by removing capsule from = engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your = hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature = gauge is malfunctioning.

It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what = it was reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any = suggestions?

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, = Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the = luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to = catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red = Bluff by 7pm.

Not = the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6
<= div class=3D"">
The plastic blade = didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, = actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing = several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade = being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I = didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly = =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly = developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With = 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the = radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring = it.

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, = Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you = couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. = Good recovery by Moss, though. 

Just tells you how fast these things = spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator! 

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 = at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about = my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in = time for the start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a = blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and = punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the = San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center. 

I made the mistake of = trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad place to be on the = shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), = which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Total mileage to = failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination of the stub = revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of the base of = the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing = flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and out of = warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order back in = 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.

But regardless, they = decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new = aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought = this was pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head at the machine = shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In = the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at = British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing = pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

Now I just need to pick = up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back = together this weekend.

A few tips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed = out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA = would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported = myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to = get a tow. 

2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam = and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The = new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss = USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

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= --Apple-Mail=_09882F93-0F85-41A8-8DA2-404308799F3B-- --===============7178446116334075995== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7178446116334075995==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 8 18:43:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA21D2588C62 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B8E2588B1F for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id w98MGBOB012158 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:16:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 15:16:10 -0700 References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> <4E21CA0C-32C0-4254-A77F-38FB1B34013D@sonic.net> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1274165327976107943== boundary="Apple-Mail=_078C7228-918F-413A-B862-C4E9C5594CDF" --Apple-Mail=_078C7228-918F-413A-B862-C4E9C5594CDF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Hmmmm=E2=80=A6 2 hours later, the rad temp is down to 94=C2=BA, and the cylinder head = is at 108=C2=BA, but the gauge is still reading 150=C2=BA. So it would seem that the range of motion of the gauge has been = compromised. This is probably not acceptable. While the only temperature that needs to be indicated with any degree of = precision is Standard Operating Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need = to know that the needle is actually capable of moving significantly from = this position. So I think this guy is coming out. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Oct 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Max Heim wrote: >=20 > I=E2=80=99m in NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from = November to April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, = and leave it on through March, depending on the state of drought. >=20 > Anyway, I just took the car for a short spin to get it warmed up. When = I judged it was at operating temperature, the needle had stalled at = about 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA = (makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper = radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I pulled the glass off the gauge and = reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99= t fully cooled down yesterday afternoon when I set the needle at the = rest point. >=20 > I=E2=80=99ll check it in a few hours and see what it has gone down to. >=20 > Someone suggested the needle had slipped. That seems to match most of = the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s hard to see how that might have = occurred, given that the needle was attached firmly when I went to reset = it. I am theorizing that when the temperature exceeded the intended = travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, which is why I have had to move = the needle to correct the range of travel. Anyway, this approach seems = very promising so far. >=20 > For now, I am leaving the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily = remove the bezel. >=20 > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB >=20 >> On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase >=20 >> Youse said - I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all = year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6=20 >>=20 >> Wait, don't you live in California where it is nice all year round?! = (Other than fires) ;-) >>=20 >> Dan D >> '76B, '65B >> Central NJ USA=20 >> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >>=20 >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs > Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest: >>=20 >> "It means that the movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99= s way out of calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the = movement carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an = easy fix at all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of = the damage if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey" >>=20 >> =E2=80=A6which sounds kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The = problem is, the car is undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it = leaves an open passage to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had = the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of = nice weather=E2=80=A6 Grr. >>=20 >> I think I may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one = repaired, then sell one later. >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >>=20 >>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim >>=20 >>> How could the capsule get damaged? >>>=20 >>> I unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the = way. Then I replaced it after replacing the head. >>>=20 >>> Unfortunately, it never occurred to me to see what the gauge was = reading while the head was off and the capsule was resting on the inner = fender. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test would demonstrate. I already know = it responds to temperature changes, so the capillary tube is not broken. = The problem seems to be at the gauge end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure = out what that would be. >>>=20 >>> I know there is a flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the = gauge. Could it have unrolled beyond its intended limit during the = overheating episode, and is now hung up on some protuberance inside the = housing, preventing it from recoiling? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H >>>=20 >>>> Yours has the non-electric temp sender and gauge?=20 >>>> If it does, the gauge is moved by pressure of expanding ether in = the little capsule that is screwed into the engine. If it reads 220 from = the beginning, my guess is that the capsule got squeezed or the tube = damaged during the R&R. >>>> Test by removing capsule from engine, and putting it into a pan = of hot water. Check the temp with your hand-held thermometer. >>>> Bob >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs >>> I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature gauge = is malfunctioning. >>>>=20 >>>> It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what it was = reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180. >>>>=20 >>>> Anyone seen this before? Any suggestions? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> '66 MGB >>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Max Heim via Mgs >>>>=20 >>>>> Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the luggage = into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to catch up = with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red Bluff by = 7pm. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Not the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80= =A6 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The plastic blade didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D= the radiator, actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound = up smashing several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom = tanks (the blade being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, = I think). I didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started = disassembly =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just = suddenly developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body = to another. >>>>>=20 >>>>> With 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant = instantly, and the radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by = completely recoring it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> Max Heim >>>>> '66 MGB >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Dan DiBiase >>>>>=20 >>>>>> A bummer that you couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet = you were disappointed. Good recovery by Moss, though.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Just tells you how fast these things spin, for a plastic blade to = puncture a metal radiator!=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Dan D >>>>>> '76B, '65B >>>>>> Central NJ USA >>>>>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ = >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs = >>>>>> I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about my project. but I = got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in time for the = start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a blade flew = off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and punctured = the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the San = Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I made the mistake of trying to get it to the next exit (it was a = bad place to be on the shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of = traffic doing 75+), which resulted in overheating and a blown head = gasket. Total mileage to failure on this fan was 307 miles. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Subsequent examination of the stub revealed an air pocket in the = plastic right at the center of the base of the blade. Moss accepted my = photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing flaw. This model of fan was = already out of production (and out of warranty) =E2=80=94 I had = purchased it as part of a large order back in 2015 when the car body was = still in the paint shop. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> But regardless, they decided to send me a new fan ("new model" = nylon 7-blade fan) and a new aluminum radiator (the shop had told me = mine was irreparable). I thought this was pretty decent of them. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I just picked up my head at the machine shop where they had = skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In the meantime I had = inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at British Motorsports in = Campbell and found a few of them were showing pitting. By replacing them = now I can save the cam. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Now I just need to pick up the lifters and the gasket set and I = should be able to have it back together this weekend. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> A few tips based on my experience: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed out on the freeway verge I = would have saved the head gasket, and AAA would have picked me up in a = timely manner. But since I had reported myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D = and off the highway, it took 4 hours to get a tow.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam and = lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The new = lifters were just starting to pit in 2018. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss USA = purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Buy British, Buy Best! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Max Heim >>>>>> '66 MGB >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>=20 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>>>=20 >>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_078C7228-918F-413A-B862-C4E9C5594CDF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Hmmmm=E2=80=A6

2 hours later, the rad temp is down to 94=C2=BA, and the = cylinder head is at 108=C2=BA, but the gauge is still reading = 150=C2=BA.

So = it would seem that the range of motion of the gauge has been = compromised. This is probably not acceptable.

While the only temperature that needs = to be indicated with any degree of precision is Standard Operating = Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need to know that the needle is = actually capable of moving significantly from this position. So I think = this guy is coming out.


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net> = wrote:

I=E2=80=99m in = NorCal. We have a rainy season (usually), lasting from November to = April. I usually put the hardtop on at the first heavy rain, and leave = it on through March, depending on the state of drought.
Anyway, I just took the car for a = short spin to get it warmed up. When I judged it was at operating = temperature, the needle had stalled at about 150=C2=BA. The IR gun read = the thermostat housing temp at 180=C2=BA (makes sense =E2=80=94 it's a = 180=C2=BA thermostat) and the upper radiator temp at 177=C2=BA, so I = pulled the glass off the gauge and reset the needle to 180. I=E2=80=99m = guessing that the motor wasn=E2=80=99t fully cooled down yesterday = afternoon when I set the needle at the rest point.

I=E2=80=99ll check it in = a few hours and see what it has gone down to.

Someone suggested the needle had = slipped. That seems to match most of the observed facts, but it=E2=80=99s = hard to see how that might have occurred, given that the needle was = attached firmly when I went to reset it. I am theorizing that when the = temperature exceeded the intended travel, the coil slipped a gear tooth, = which is why I have had to move the needle to correct the range of = travel. Anyway, this approach seems very promising so far.

For now, I am leaving = the gauge half out of the dash. so I can easily remove the = bezel.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Oct 8, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

Youse said -  I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two weeks all year=E2=80=A6 = kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 

Wait, don't you live in California = where it is nice all year round?! (Other than fires)  ;-)

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA 
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:24 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Here=E2=80=99s what Joey at = MoMa Instrument Repair had to suggest:

   "It means that the = movement itself is deformed that is why it=E2=80=99s way out of = calibration. Some of those we can repair by reshaping the movement = carefully or just replace the movement. It=E2=80=99s not an easy fix at = all. You can send it and it will all depend on the extent of the damage = if we can repair or replace movement. Thanks Joey"

=E2=80=A6which sounds = kind of like what I was suggesting. Damn. The problem is, the car is = undriveable with the gauge removed =E2=80=94 it leaves an open passage = to both coolant and oil. I=E2=80=99ve only had the car running for two = weeks all year=E2=80=A6 kind of running out of nice weather=E2=80=A6 = Grr.

I think I = may try to buy a good one to swap in while having this one repaired, = then sell one later.

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Oct 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net> wrote:

How could the = capsule get damaged?

I= unscrewed it from the head, and gently pulled the tube out of the way. = Then I replaced it after replacing the head.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me = to see what the gauge was reading while the head was off and the capsule = was resting on the inner fender.

I=E2=80=99m not sure what the test = would demonstrate. I already know it responds to temperature changes, so = the capillary tube is not broken. The problem seems to be at the gauge = end. I just can=E2=80=99t figure out what that would be.

I know there is a = flattened tube rolled into a coil inside the gauge. Could it have = unrolled beyond its intended limit during the overheating episode, and = is now hung up on some protuberance inside the housing, preventing it = from recoiling?


--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



On Oct 7, 2018, at 3:49 PM, B H <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

  Yours has the non-electric temp sender = and gauge? 
  If it does, the gauge is moved = by pressure of expanding ether in the little capsule that is screwed = into the engine. If it reads 220 from the beginning, my guess is that = the capsule got squeezed or the tube damaged during the = R&R.
  Test by removing capsule from = engine, and putting it into a pan of hot water. Check the temp with your = hand-held thermometer.
Bob


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:30 PM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I just got the engine back together, but now the temperature = gauge is malfunctioning.

It seems to have got stuck at about 220. That=E2=80=99s what = it was reading before I even tried to start the car. After warming up to = operating temp (estimated, of course), the gauge had climbed into the = oil pressure zone, reading at 85 psi. At this point my cheap temp gun = had the thermostat housing at around 180.

Anyone seen this before? Any = suggestions?

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:11 AM, = Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Actually, when we finally got to my house, we swapped the = luggage into my 1967 Barracuda convertible and headed up the freeway to = catch up with the Melee. Reached the first night=E2=80=99s stop in Red = Bluff by 7pm.

Not = the first participants to have to pull in a backup vehicle=E2=80=A6
<= div class=3D"">
The plastic blade = didn=E2=80=99t directly =E2=80=9Cpuncture=E2=80=9D the radiator, = actually. But it was trapped inside the shroud, and wound up smashing = several tubes right where they enter the top and bottom tanks (the blade = being caught on the lip of the tank at each revolution, I think). I = didn't even know that it had thrown a blade until I started disassembly = =E2=80=94 I was assuming the 50+ year old radiator had just suddenly = developed a stress crack after being transferred from one body to = another.

With = 5 or 6 tubes mangled top and bottom, it lost coolant instantly, and the = radiator shop said it was irreparable other than by completely recoring = it.

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:56 AM, = Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

A bummer that you = couldn't participate in the melee, Max, I bet you were disappointed. = Good recovery by Moss, though. 

Just tells you how fast these things = spin, for a plastic blade to puncture a metal radiator! 

Dan D
'76B, '65B
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 = at 11:36 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I haven=E2=80=99t said much on the list about = my project. but I got my =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D 66 B roadster together in = time for the start of the California Melee on Sept. 8. Unfortunately, a = blade flew off the new Moss plastic fan within the first ten miles and = punctured the radiator, so that was as far as it got =E2=80=94 from the = San Francisco Presidio to Marin Civic Center. 

I made the mistake of = trying to get it to the next exit (it was a bad place to be on the = shoulder, between the sound wall and 5 lanes of traffic doing 75+), = which resulted in overheating and a blown head gasket. Total mileage to = failure on this fan was 307 miles.

Subsequent examination of the stub = revealed an air pocket in the plastic right at the center of the base of = the blade. Moss accepted my photo of this as evidence of a manufacturing = flaw. This model of fan was already out of production (and out of = warranty) =E2=80=94 I had purchased it as part of a large order back in = 2015 when the car body was still in the paint shop.

But regardless, they = decided to send me a new fan ("new model" nylon 7-blade fan) and a new = aluminum radiator (the shop had told me mine was irreparable). I thought = this was pretty decent of them.

I just picked up my head at the machine = shop where they had skimmed the surface and cleaned up the valves. In = the meantime I had inspected the lifters based on a tip from Dave at = British Motorsports in Campbell and found a few of them were showing = pitting. By replacing them now I can save the cam.

Now I just need to pick = up the lifters and the gasket set and I should be able to have it back = together this weekend.

A few tips based on my experience:

1. Just shut it down. If I had stayed = out on the freeway verge I would have saved the head gasket, and AAA = would have picked me up in a timely manner. But since I had reported = myself =E2=80=9Csafe=E2=80=9D and off the highway, it took 4 hours to = get a tow. 

2. Check your lifters every so often. I had replaced the cam = and lifters due to lifter spalling sometime between 1998 and 2010. The = new lifters were just starting to pit in 2018.

3. If you have a yellow plastic 7-bladed fan from Moss = USA purchased prior to mid-2015, you may want to consider retiring it. I = suppose if it hasn=E2=80=99t broken so far, it probably doesn=E2=80=99t = have air bubbles in a critical location. But they had perhaps a dozen = reported incidents. The current product being sold as part #434-332 is a = different pattern by a different maker in a different material, so = should not be a cause for worry.

Buy British, Buy Best!

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB
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= --Apple-Mail=_078C7228-918F-413A-B862-C4E9C5594CDF-- --===============1274165327976107943== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1274165327976107943==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 02:15:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C202588F98 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 02:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570602588EA2 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 01:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([92.239.15.247]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id 9mgbgmGJDRWce9mgbgfurF; Tue, 09 Oct 2018 08:44:09 +0100 a=ibFpEyFn6mAKt5BSRHG3fg==:17 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=bhkQ7jjJ27_t1Nvh0zQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=lij6VR0LPDDJ6J8Ag4sA:9 a=lxUEhMEiVe5kSHg7:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1539071049; bh=tv+nm4V2GNAzeOf+GgdLF/Ng5Jujx8esbx4FnvM1mfY=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=OMcVtjwv/Bbym9bRkr7fI743axa2sPzZI4ciuf+9XOrr0tUKmDyqTokTUDx5qI+Om IwF1SrEL873Xtsia3u35HGWvHES4dJ0jYMuajhc7pBdQY/TBbN3z+dLUqXvLGThU1Z JCEBpqkbxVVKLZXH7uZ7deJJ3eZ1hzHEN/UttZxc3zvMlz2yuBCFFyXjSWKej91FWf tO3qjKO8bOtVw/pBL8ORXCVmC0m3mEu5m0qnbWgH9a4JA1aU1F3Slk3iaXtOqW9MIu Wo9bKZHTQLarV77QBOESu9gCs7Uxb7oiSJKzFs2KpL35tSIJsGNbYKjMkLa/EpaGsR pqerqcdcv2kbw== To: "Max Heim" , "mglist" References: <18d170e5-53bc-ecf6-b8bc-674093a8f7ad@twc.com> <789BD631-D530-405D-8D48-B921D98313AD@sonic.net> <8C08C079-7906-407A-BBCA-B3A5420F9E1F@sonic.net> <9A061859-CF9B-429F-8322-0630993B13FC@sonic.net> <4E21CA0C-32C0-4254-A77F-38FB1B34013D@sonic.net> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 08:20:44 +0100 x6zUz1mRRUL7l6bDZfYIgDIIP6lkjw96cmnUFh9hZ+cZsyetJW7vOwITJSYc/kbRxi1juzMeNFgC6g== Subject: Re: [Mgs] A short tale of parts & service [Postscript] From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0897877289573858096== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01D45FA8.F9655860" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01D45FA8.F9655860 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Advisable, given there is obviously a problem somewhere with it you = don't want it stalling at 190 when the temp has got up to 220. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 While the only temperature that needs to be indicated with any degree = of precision is Standard Operating Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I = need to know that the needle is actually capable of moving significantly = from this position. So I think this guy is coming out. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01D45FA8.F9655860 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Advisable, given there is obviously a problem=20 somewhere with it you don't want it stalling at 190 when the temp = has got=20 up to 220.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----

While the only temperature that needs to be indicated with any = degree of=20 precision is Standard Operating Temperature (180=C2=BA), I feel I need = to know that=20 the needle is actually capable of moving significantly from this = position. So=20 I think this guy is coming out.
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01D45FA8.F9655860-- --===============0897877289573858096== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0897877289573858096==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 10:50:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7C82588E93 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.southslope.net (smtp.southslope.net [216.51.139.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ED72588E12 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rileyPC (151.78.126.208.dyn.southslope.net [208.126.78.151]) (Authenticated sender: riverside@southslope.net) by smtp.southslope.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 582C941BC0 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:28:59 -0500 (CDT) To: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:28:57 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Mgs] Fw: Hot B motor From: Ron Sanborn via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2690788537352815389== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01D45FBA.E2ECC2F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D45FBA.E2ECC2F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: riverside@southslope.net=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 4:12 PM Subject: Hot B motor I am helping a friend build an MGB motor for autoXssing and track days. We are looking for sources of high performance parts and guidance. Any advice or knowledge you can share would be most welcome. Thanks! Ron Sanborn ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D45FBA.E2ECC2F0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Hot B motor
 
I am helping a friend build an MGB motor for
autoXssing and track days.  We are looking for
sources of high performance parts and guidance.
Any advice or knowledge you can share would be
most welcome.
 
Thanks!
 
Ron Sanborn
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D45FBA.E2ECC2F0-- --===============2690788537352815389== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2690788537352815389==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 9 17:12:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84282588BC7 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 17:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from sonic313-41.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic313-41.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.133.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4E925884B9 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 13:24:57 -0600 (MDT) t=1539113077; bh=BmvEsuFkNy5XitiYJrKgfvGKOOX+axXKuep/Dghvzpg=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=kht+GbVWhlM4w2cZTOBbOzuP43tgdl/e8jfsegnykQKZAI3wXXeu8Z1MniPZQknBiMUvTHu2m+KLAV2uhdnzm+E6AzoDCP2tfht60fiwSQ4MVMhWlVXszjjypngZ6i1ZM0lAxFXMUWZNNjfEcGWlpLzPlu9vDwP3PQmdVZHU1gWpHymoi0wIrDm699VKyweb+j9TlRDjf0OhnqYAAYBs4wN3nZoB5xu0TXMhxWQgyfUEwcY7AjR/w8sSCFMj4UWAxO+a2J/U2eY18DF8Ofj0xGKeXrt32e8rcYiQrviKROyK7mD5luIFIOcldnwrXpL65wHn6bZsiYSvbB69wMstLw== Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:24:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:20:33 +0000 (UTC) To: Mglist References: Darwin/17.7.0 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: Hot B motor From: Zach Dorsch via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1826635231501397531== boundary="----=_Part_7127493_742694567.1539112833312" ------=_Part_7127493_742694567.1539112833312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To name a few: Hap Waldrop=C2=A0http://www.acmespeedshop.com/=C2=A0 Peter Burgesshttp://www.mg-cars.org.uk/peterburgess/indexstart.html=C2=A0 Dave Headleyhttp://www.fast-mg.com/=C2=A0 On Tuesday, October 9, 2018, 11:28 AM, Ron Sanborn via Mgs wrote: =C2=A0=C2=A0From: riverside@southslope.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 4= :12 PMSubject: Hot B motor=C2=A0I am helping a friend build an MGB motor fo= rautoXssing and track days.=C2=A0 We are looking forsources of high perform= ance parts and guidance.Any advice or knowledge you can share would bemost = welcome.=C2=A0Thanks!=C2=A0Ron Sanborn_____________________________________= __________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/herr_dorsch@yahoo.co= m ------=_Part_7127493_742694567.1539112833312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To name a few:

Hap Waldrop 
http://www.acmespeedshop.com/&= nbsp;


Peter Burgess

Dave Headley
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On Tues= day, October 9, 2018, 11:28 AM, Ron Sanborn via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net&= gt; wrote:

 
 
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Hot B motor
 
I am helping a friend build an MGB motor for
autoXssing and track days.  We are looking for
sources of high performance parts and guidance.
Any advice or knowledge you can share would be
most welcome.
 
Thanks!
 
Ron Sanborn
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John DiFe= de 1973 MGB

On T= ue, Oct 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM Ron Sanborn via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 4:12 PM
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I am helping a friend build an MGB motor for
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sources of high performance parts and guidance.
Any advice or knowledge you can share would be
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Thanks!
=C2=A0
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apologies to Hap, Peter and Dave: > > > > I thought this question came from my local MG car club message board so I > provided a local solution. > > > > Rick > > *Rick Starkweather* | Partner > 2626 Glenwood Ave., Suite 480 > Raleigh, NC 27608 > O: (919) 781-4191 | M: (919) 345-9871 > F: (919) 781-2537 > > [image: signature_992300732] > > *website **|** bio > **|** vCard > * > *|** map > * > *|** email **[image: > signature_756695260]* *[image: > signature_1569469872]* *[image: > signature_1094126481]* *[image: > signature_2099890505]* *[image: > signature_156955328]* > > > > > > *From: *Mgs on behalf of Zach Dorsch via Mgs > > *Reply-To: *Zach Dorsch > *Date: *Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 7:15 PM > *To: *Mglist > *Subject: *Re: [Mgs] Fw: Hot B motor > > > > To name a few: > > > > Hap Waldrop > > http://www.acmespeedshop.com/ > > > > Peter Burgess > > http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/peterburgess/indexstart.html > > > > > > Dave Headley > > http://www.fast-mg.com/ > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018, 11:28 AM, Ron Sanborn via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > > > *From:* riverside@southslope.net > > *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2018 4:12 PM > > *Subject:* Hot B motor > > > > I am helping a friend build an MGB motor for > > autoXssing and track days. We are looking for > > sources of high performance parts and guidance. > > Any advice or knowledge you can share would be > > most welcome. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Ron Sanborn > > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/herr_dorsch@yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --00000000000017750b0577dee278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suspect they'd be okay with the free publicity and r= ecommendation, Rick.... ;-)

Dan D
'76B, &#= 39;65B
Central NJ USA
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:59 PM Rick Starkwea= ther via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

My apologies to Hap, Peter and Dave:

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I thought this question came from my local MG car cl= ub message board so I provided a local solution.

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Rick

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From= : Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.= team.net> on behalf of Zach Dorsch via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Reply-To: Zach Dorsch <herr_dorsch@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 7:15 PM
To: Mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fw: Hot B motor

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To name a few:

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Hap Waldrop=C2=A0

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Peter Burgess

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Dave Headley

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Sent:= Monday, October 08, 2018 4:12 PM

Subje= ct: Hot B motor

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I am he= lping a friend build an MGB motor for

autoXss= ing and track days.=C2=A0 We are looking for

sources= of high performance parts and guidance.

Any adv= ice or knowledge you can share would be

most we= lcome.

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Thanks!=

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Ron San= born

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11 13:43:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45CF258843B for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.southslope.net (smtp.southslope.net [216.51.139.10]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C04258835F for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rileyPC (151.78.126.208.dyn.southslope.net [208.126.78.151]) (Authenticated sender: riverside@southslope.net) by smtp.southslope.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3EBED41A93 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:57:43 -0500 (CDT) To: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:57:39 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: [Mgs] XPAG Con Rods From: Ron Sanborn via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8950584957196272936== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01D4616A.5F4BD560" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D4616A.5F4BD560 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to buy a pair of used XPAG connecting rods. Anybody have some gathering dust that=20 you would be willing to turn into cash?? art de armond ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D4616A.5F4BD560 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to buy a pair of used XPAG connecting
rods.    Anybody have some gathering dust that =
you would be willing to turn into cash??
 
art de armond
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