From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 1 02:02:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1932580532 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 02:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F17C25886EE for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 01:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id ArkShSloQVZ8dArkShSRhS; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 08:52:53 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pxnlQwqvAAAA:8 a=jCKFTI7aWyMNZ49LGZUA:9 a=LFrh-ASn7kuBgxyp:21 a=T1AkIzmQl6f5FSNI:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8TMmCytrStUA:10 a=sNIkB2cYIldXVe7vp_oA:9 a=J42qohaG_0q65k-D:21 a=MYrk5druVDFai5mG:21 a=LJ6I7Z4cgLv6aaZA:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=egKMGkq-_7m75_muvWdA:22 s=meg.feb2017; t=1554105173; bh=ultgFKHVqZW5Sm5VHK5teoaLLwyinn1GqDVNt8O3/1E=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=L1q/QXJBZcbNM7mL5mzFfzlyQy05VNse66NKE3VGlFAbJ91ic2KaerLSc7AUso+T6 1EsfEUA9aQVDuUoKZvyR2kwX+a74Shk4LcTJFXWbd3sHwAje77MKo/M/F9jyYQJb29 TOCT5xFAEJOlqR+lFSCSzgw2dPKbTz5N2u2zftDN4l6k2FGvGhdGXLPUJClEVuGEhx 7sxdtLTb8ZD1IJg8eOZ7I1APMW9NCC7JnrYTVwo/6Dka7C57crFOLzpxdv+OVc8bJn hoFnJ1ydlaj4gHjy3ifTF1nKQIADcoKlWoXrhCEsDIoNd5n1pfF+uNEdOJL6mrwo0e LowXRegKgnYDQ== To: "Barrie Robinson" , "MGB List" , "MGB V8 List" References: <6fca59d8-6948-cff1-540d-d336c1873036@bell.net> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:34:05 +0100 VaclHGy+rlP6JLEyj4kpuQCLSrXP/bMlznBADC81mvtfQPZxZFoVkiRHXYYSbiFo26ImUgmZjInUWIxxAEP+V61dKsnR/GIVh/g3SQRtbpVkKtPPERDZ8OFW Subject: Re: [Mgs] Speakers in the door From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0662954671332058614== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01D4E865.AADF9F70" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01D4E865.AADF9F70 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The factory ran them round the top hinge from a hole in the door just = under the hinge and in the A-pillar just aft of the hinge, as shown here = http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/radio.htm#3 My 75 V8 has those holes even though speakers weren't provided until = 77/78, I used them for the central locking. Just double-insulated = stranded twin-core such as would be used for a mains appliance (uk at = least), which has been fine for maybe 20 years now. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 I am intending to put my speakers in the doors. Does anyone have = recommendations as how to run the connections through the door gap? I = did see once a plug and socket affair but that means no sound when the = door is open - no big deal! I am thinking just thick multi-strand = wire loop? ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01D4E865.AADF9F70 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
The factory ran them round the top hinge from = a hole=20 in the door just under the hinge and in the A-pillar just aft of the = hinge, as=20 shown here http://www.mgb-stuff.org= .uk/radio.htm#3
 
My 75 V8 has those holes even though speakers = weren't provided=20 until 77/78, I used them for the central locking. Just = double-insulated=20 stranded twin-core such as would be used for a mains appliance (uk = at=20 least), which has been fine for maybe 20 years now.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message ----- =

I am intending to put my speakers in = the=20 doors.  Does anyone have recommendations as how to run the = connections=20 through the door gap?   I did see once a plug and socket = affair but=20 that means no sound when the door is open - no big = deal!    I=20 am thinking just thick multi-strand wire=20 loop?
 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01D4E865.AADF9F70-- --===============0662954671332058614== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0662954671332058614==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 23:40:36 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595872587657 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 23:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E0E258004A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8D24119FCC for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:34:04 -0600 (MDT) To: Mgs Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:34:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Mgs] Team.Net service interruptions From: Mark J Bradakis via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net RXhwZWN0IHRoZSBlbWFpbCBsaXN0cyBhbmQgd2ViIHBhZ2VzIHRvIGJlIHVuYXZhaWxhYmxlIGF0 IHZhcmlvdXMgdGltZXMgCm92ZXIgdGhlIG5leHQgZmV3IGRheXMuCgpJJ20gZ29pbmcgdG8gbWFr ZSBhIHB1c2ggdG8gaGF2ZSB0aGUgbmV3IHNlcnZlciBvbiB0aGUgYWlyIGJlZm9yZSAKVGVhbS5O ZXQncyAiYmlydGhkYXkiIG9uIEFwcmlsIDExdGguwqAgTWFraW5nIHRoZSBzd2l0Y2ggd2lsbCBy ZXF1aXJlcyAKc29tZSBob3VycyBvZiBkb3dudGltZSBhbG9uZyB0aGUgd2F5LgoKbWpiLgoKX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KCk1nc0BhdXRveC50 ZWFtLm5ldApEb25hdGU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvZG9uYXRlLmh0bWwKU3VnZ2VzdGVk IGFubnVhbCBkb25hdGlvbiAgJDEyLjc1CgpBcmNoaXZlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRlYW0ubmV0L3Bp cGVybWFpbC9tZ3MKClVuc3Vic2NyaWJlOiBodHRwOi8vYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQvbWFpbG1hbi9v cHRpb25zL21ncy9taGFyY0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldAo= From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 7 10:29:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D73258856A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:29:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtlfep01.bell.net (belmont79srvr.owm.bell.net [184.150.200.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0949225883E6 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 09:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bell.net mtlfep01 184.150.200.30 by mtlfep01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190407153140.QAZW4947.mtlfep01.bell.net@mtlspm01.bell.net> for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 11:31:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (really [64.228.66.59]) by mtlspm01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190407153140.CLKZ87666.mtlspm01.bell.net@[192.168.2.11]> for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 11:31:40 -0400 To: MGB List Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 11:31:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US a=IlGyozQZBvJtgoU2DOAjOA==:17 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=7ic9iZVpyv_juoBJJzkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FBHGMhGWAAAA:8 a=VCYPDB3ulDBf4V5SNwgA:9 a=vF9DkfIUS54mIl5p:21 a=6UIaq3Bcl8oA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qeprt5rZLuVXg80ncXUA:9 a=JajRQoE8p5WhMLRB:18 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=VEiTNn8F7TgA:10 a=9gvnlMMaQFpL9xblJ6ne:22 QiVdSB5NGdtbiFoL/wIv4XpzKFoEeKlmkIKseZ0XcTcbV9RfGqfXOnWo Subject: [Mgs] Mounting a radio From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7825643114072802880== boundary="------------B525F1D29F03FF8D66B0E139" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B525F1D29F03FF8D66B0E139 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello folks, I want to install a Pioneer car radio DEH-X8800BHS in my 1980 MGB GT console which seems to be short of a something or other.  Please can someone advise me what I should get? Cheers Barrie --------------B525F1D29F03FF8D66B0E139 boundary="------------79627653626866624EE07DF8" --------------79627653626866624EE07DF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello folks,

I want to install a Pioneer car radio DEH-X8800BHS in my 1980 MGB GT console which seems to be short of a something or other.  Please can someone advise me what I should get?
Cheers

Barrie
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Please can > someone advise me what I should get? > Cheers > > Barrie > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/pchastnow@gmail.com > --0000000000004135bd0585f38043 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not without more information and/or photos

On Sun, Apr 7, 2= 019 at 12:18 PM Barrie Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Cheers

Barrie
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Sun, 7 Apr 2019 15:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp754.redcondor.net (smtp754.redcondor.net [208.80.206.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3F2258863A for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 15:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailproxy4.av-mx.com ([137.118.40.134]) by smtp754.redcondor.net ({e621e8bc-2f48-11e8-9851-9fe7fd126600}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20190407213847585_0754 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2019 21:38:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.107] (64-179-194-246.hartcom.net [64.179.194.246]) (Authenticated sender: jimray@hartcom.net) by mailproxy4.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8763492B16 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 17:38:43 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <947b12b6-1286-224e-da52-27de98efd33e@bell.net> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 17:38:45 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mounting a radio From: Jim Ray via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3780869276749280464== boundary="------------B436102DB1950BEBAF648569" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B436102DB1950BEBAF648569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Give these videos a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UOKZMKVusM http://www.aerog.com/mg/stereoinstall.shtml Your radio should have come with a metal box that the head unit slides into and a set of escutcheon plates to secure the unit to the opening in the console. This box attaches to the opening in the radio console. The radio slides in and snaps into the box. An escutcheon plate attaches to the front of the radio and that's all there is to it. You may need to attach a rear support to the radio but I didn't have to on mine. Jim 1980 MGB V8 On 4/7/2019 11:31 AM, Barrie Robinson via Mgs wrote: > Hello folks, > > I want to install a Pioneer car radio DEH-X8800BHS in my 1980 MGB GT > console which seems to be short of a something or other.  Please can > someone advise me what I should get? > Cheers > > Barrie > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jimray@hartcom.net --------------B436102DB1950BEBAF648569 boundary="------------71168C7BF7B14B92720AC212" --------------71168C7BF7B14B92720AC212 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Give these videos a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UOKZMKVusM
http://www.aerog.com/mg/stereoinstall.shtml

Your radio should have come with a metal box that the head unit slides into and a set of escutcheon plates to secure the unit to the opening in the console. This box attaches to the opening in the radio console. The radio slides in and snaps into the box. An escutcheon plate attaches to the front of the radio and that's all there is to it. You may need to attach a rear support to the radio but I didn't have to on mine.

Jim
1980 MGB V8


On 4/7/2019 11:31 AM, Barrie Robinson via Mgs wrote:

Hello folks,

I want to install a Pioneer car radio DEH-X8800BHS in my 1980 MGB GT console which seems to be short of a something or other.  Please can someone advise me what I should get?
Cheers

Barrie
  
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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01D4EDE4.F8C62A90" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D4EDE4.F8C62A90 boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003B_01D4EDE4.F8C62A90" ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01D4EDE4.F8C62A90 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to the Owners Manual: https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Car/MVHX580BS_DEHX= 8800BHS_X7800BHS_X6800BS_OwMan020719.pdf P26 it should come with an optional mounting sleeve. This has a flange = that butts up to the front of the console and various tabs behind that = are bent at 90 degrees to lock it in place.=20 PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs=20 To: MGB List=20 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:31 PM Subject: [Mgs] Mounting a radio Hello folks, I want to install a Pioneer car radio DEH-X8800BHS in my 1980 MGB GT = console which seems to be short of a something or other. Please can = someone advise me what I should get? Cheers Barrie =20 ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01D4EDE4.F8C62A90 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
According to the Owners Manual:
 
https://www.pioneerelec= tronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Car/MVHX580BS_DEHX8800BHS_X7800BHS_X6800B= S_OwMan020719.pdf
 
P26 it should come with an = optional mounting=20 sleeve.  This has a flange that butts up to the front of the = console and=20 various tabs behind that are bent at 90 degrees to lock it in place.=20
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Barrie Robinson=20 via Mgs
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 = 4:31=20 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Mounting a = radio

Hello = folks,

I want to=20 install a Pioneer car radio DEH-X8800BHS=20 in my 1980 MGB GT console which seems to be short of a something or=20 other.  Please can someone advise me what I should=20 get?
Cheers

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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 00:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2842C2588E09 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70944119FCC for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:58:44 -0600 (MDT) References: <2094b856-b65b-a207-1a0f-ca549b7d6f21@sinclair.net> To: mgs Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:58:44 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Mgs] Fwd: I have a couple of questions From: Mark J Bradakis via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net CgoKLS0tLS0tLS0gRm9yd2FyZGVkIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS0KU3ViamVjdDogCUkgaGF2ZSBh IGNvdXBsZSBvZiBxdWVzdGlvbnMKRGF0ZTogCU1vbiwgMTUgQXByIDIwMTkgMTk6Mjk6MDkgLTA3 MDAKRnJvbTogCUxpeiBEdUJvaXMgPGRkdWJvaXNAc2luY2xhaXIubmV0PgpUbzogCQoKCgpUaGlz IGlzIExpeiwgRGF2ZSBEdUJvaXMnIHdpZmUuwqAgRGF2ZSBwYXNzZWQgYXdheSBpbiBsYXRlIEph bnVhcnkgYnV0IEkgCmhhdmUga2VwdCBoaXMgZW1haWwgYWRkcmVzcyAnYWxpdmUnIHNvIHBlb3Bs ZSB3aXRoIGZ1ZWwgcHVtcCBxdWVzdGlvbnMgCmNhbiBiZSBzdGVlcmVkIHRvIHNvbWVvbmUgd2hv IG1pZ2h0IGJlIGFibGUgdG8gaGVscCB0aGVtLgoKTWVhbndoaWxlLCBJIGhhdmUgYSBjb3VwbGUg b2YgcXVlc3Rpb25zLsKgIEkgaGF2ZSBhIGNvbGxlY3Rpb24gb2YgCm1hZ2F6aW5lcyBJIHdvdWxk IHRvIHNlbmQgdG8gYSBnb29kIGhvbWUuwqAgV2hlcmUgY2FuIEkgYWR2ZXJ0aXNlIHRoZXNlPwoK IlRoZSBTYWNyZWQgT2N0YWdvbiIgZnJvbSBKdWx5IDE5NzQgdGhyb3VnaCBEZWMgMTk4NywgcGx1 cyBPY3QgMTk5OSBhbmQgCkFwcmlsIHRocm91Z2ggQXVnIDIwMDkKIk1HIE1hZ2F6aW5lIiwgdi4y IDE5ODAsIHYuOCAxOTgxLTgyLCB2LjE1LTI2IDE5ODQtMTk4Nywgdi40MiAxOTkyIGFuZCAKdi42 OCAxOTk4CiJFbmpveWluZyBNRyIgU2VwdCAxOTg3LCBOb3YgMTk4OAoiU2FmZXR5IEZhc3QiIE5v diAxOTgzLCBKYW4gMTk4NiwgTWF5IDE5ODcKIk5vcnRoIEFtZXJpY2FuIENsYXNzaWMgTUciLCBJ c3N1ZSAjMSBXaW50ZXIgMjAwMSwgIzIgU3ByaW5nIDIwMDEgYW5kIAojMTQgMjAwNAoiQ2xhc3Np YyAmIFNwb3J0c2NhciIsIEZlYiAxOTkyCiJCcml0aXNoIENhciIsIERlYyAxOTg5CiJBYmluZ2Rv biBDbGFzc2ljIiB2LjEsICMxIE9jdCAxOTgxCiJNb3dvZyBNdXJtdXJzIiwgTm92IDE5OTIKCkkg YWxzbyBoYXZlIHR3byBtb2RlbCBraXRzLi4uCkZpbmVjYXN0IDEvMjQgc2NhbGUgd2hpdGUgbWV0 YWwgQXV0byBLaXQsIFJlZiBBIDAxODsgMTk1MCBNRyBURAphbmQKUmV2ZWxsIEhpZ2h3YXkgUGlv bmVlcnMgc2VyaWVzIG1vZGVsLsKgIDE5NTMgTUcgU3BvcnRzIGNhci4gSC01Mi03OS7CoCAKUGxh c3RpYyBtb2RlbCB0aGF0IGhhcyBuZXZlciBiZWVuIGFzc2VtYmxlZC7CoCBMaWtlIG5ldyBldmVu IGlmIHRoZSBib3ggCmxvb2tzIGFuY2llbnQhCgpXaGVyZSBjYW4gSSBhZHZlcnRpc2UgdGhlbT/C oCBJIGNhbiBzZW5kIHBob3RvcyBvZiB0aGUgbW9kZWxzLgoKTGl6IER1Qm9pcwpfX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwoKTWdzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 CkRvbmF0ZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy50ZWFtLm5ldC9kb25hdGUuaHRtbApTdWdnZXN0ZWQgYW5udWFs IGRvbmF0aW9uICAkMTIuNzUKCkFyY2hpdmU6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudGVhbS5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWls L21ncwoKVW5zdWJzY3JpYmU6IGh0dHA6Ly9hdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldC9tYWlsbWFuL29wdGlvbnMv bWdzL21oYXJjQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0Cg== From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 06:33:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E592588D50 for ; 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You could put them on Craigslist, but because they are MG-specific you might be better off advertising these items somewhere like the MG Experience website ( https://www.mgexp.com/ ) or in the MGB Driver magazine and website ( https://namgbr.org/ ) The latter might be for members only, not sure of Dave was a member. Best Wishes, Dan DiBiase Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:54 AM Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote: > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I have a couple of questions > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:29:09 -0700 > From: Liz DuBois > To: > > > > This is Liz, Dave DuBois' wife. Dave passed away in late January but I > have kept his email address 'alive' so people with fuel pump questions > can be steered to someone who might be able to help them. > > Meanwhile, I have a couple of questions. I have a collection of > magazines I would to send to a good home. Where can I advertise these? > > "The Sacred Octagon" from July 1974 through Dec 1987, plus Oct 1999 and > April through Aug 2009 > "MG Magazine", v.2 1980, v.8 1981-82, v.15-26 1984-1987, v.42 1992 and > v.68 1998 > "Enjoying MG" Sept 1987, Nov 1988 > "Safety Fast" Nov 1983, Jan 1986, May 1987 > "North American Classic MG", Issue #1 Winter 2001, #2 Spring 2001 and > #14 2004 > "Classic & Sportscar", Feb 1992 > "British Car", Dec 1989 > "Abingdon Classic" v.1, #1 Oct 1981 > "Mowog Murmurs", Nov 1992 > > I also have two model kits... > Finecast 1/24 scale white metal Auto Kit, Ref A 018; 1950 MG TD > and > Revell Highway Pioneers series model. 1953 MG Sports car. H-52-79. > Plastic model that has never been assembled. Like new even if the box > looks ancient! > > Where can I advertise them? I can send photos of the models. > > Liz DuBois > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --000000000000cfba5c0586cd0bfc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Liz, my condolences on Dave's passing.

<= div>You could put them on Craigslist, but because they are MG-specific you = might be better off advertising these items somewhere like the MG Experienc= e website (=C2=A0https://www.mgexp.com/<= /a>=C2=A0 ) or in the MGB Driver magazine and website=C2=A0 (=C2=A0 https://namgbr.org/=C2=A0) The latter m= ight be for members only, not sure of Dave was a member.

Best Wishes,

Dan DiBiase

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:54 AM Mark J Brad= akis via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have a couple of questions
Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:29:09 -0700
From:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net>
To:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0



This is Liz, Dave DuBois' wife.=C2=A0 Dave passed away in late January = but I
have kept his email address 'alive' so people with fuel pump questi= ons
can be steered to someone who might be able to help them.

Meanwhile, I have a couple of questions.=C2=A0 I have a collection of
magazines I would to send to a good home.=C2=A0 Where can I advertise these= ?

"The Sacred Octagon" from July 1974 through Dec 1987, plus Oct 19= 99 and
April through Aug 2009
"MG Magazine", v.2 1980, v.8 1981-82, v.15-26 1984-1987, v.42 199= 2 and
v.68 1998
"Enjoying MG" Sept 1987, Nov 1988
"Safety Fast" Nov 1983, Jan 1986, May 1987
"North American Classic MG", Issue #1 Winter 2001, #2 Spring 2001= and
#14 2004
"Classic & Sportscar", Feb 1992
"British Car", Dec 1989
"Abingdon Classic" v.1, #1 Oct 1981
"Mowog Murmurs", Nov 1992

I also have two model kits...
Finecast 1/24 scale white metal Auto Kit, Ref A 018; 1950 MG TD
and
Revell Highway Pioneers series model.=C2=A0 1953 MG Sports car. H-52-79.=C2= =A0
Plastic model that has never been assembled.=C2=A0 Like new even if the box=
looks ancient!

Where can I advertise them?=C2=A0 I can send photos of the models.

Liz DuBois
_______________________________________________

Mgs@autox.team.net<= /a>
et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs

Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/ma= ilman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com
--000000000000cfba5c0586cd0bfc-- --===============5528802628681030905== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5528802628681030905==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 18 15:22:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB102587B5A for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f175.google.com (mail-it1-f175.google.com [209.85.166.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6792587E9E for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f175.google.com with SMTP id y204so5276711itf.3 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:12:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+JRvxiIN23niREFJLgQ1bDvge5ZfxdPZqMvcjBuNhEo=; b=aGO68zJHAABijzyu7I4tReL1wwKrA1IHrzOBczkP7kWNiRW5a+1WjTXZWdC+pBBksi 5sPbv2g01zMAaR6BZkCd7z1rwDew/P3iOzeyatIgqGGNB/Ovx2UJKIo56DBu0M2cF5aH mAjBhbWO2ghp3gzleJ/jNi5YEbxlvc2mnNpBC/FcDNMcKAO2HtQI2p/1e4BWBN2wl+Lz WtyQuV7Qeep4px5MXiBZogBiL7R7IoxeSQu7LNc2EROx8koGj8PYunLIWF61rkiK82AI Q9G33T/c2JixERWrNTDqeJk0/YZhFyGiGmID4m4PK9mH+MMbdEEkdwS0Et13y+58xwtZ 9LhA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+JRvxiIN23niREFJLgQ1bDvge5ZfxdPZqMvcjBuNhEo=; b=GtbnYqFb5fHt8xgOO7fhNup3JtvT+nuKTny8dyPt2wXtgaZnOaOy8BsPYqDSR+UVS4 GJ1pY22qk08TkGfdTvGKB1EuaZ+p57qBvlbmMn9uFYfXwXBkTCZlvSF3iGncBuXoxrqs 8z2P9pXpoHDKu3nnjDAMcmr5VZT25munAIYQSa0cf2njLtOScvvFtHVnGdeMZ+dPUNRq 7Xm8o87TdmU9FQ3qO8Pxkyj9C7wv/wN4Nto8EZN4nCCBxTJ5aUqm7bYEZG90tOurh6Wh c2+vZleMdOLSEMSrrOlMLJlmyc4vkwUttEBaDCfJ08g94hYa8FWrL+l9AE52+SiZRAvn WI6g== gsG8iO3vI3CnJGjVdbo+2lpnb1lB1lgyx11ecM6N1ml1 Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <2094b856-b65b-a207-1a0f-ca549b7d6f21@sinclair.net> <1d899462-7109-1e54-8536-f909bd0e6e16@sinclair.net> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:11:56 -0400 To: Liz DuBois Cc: mgs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Fwd: I have a couple of questions From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0263741077198518361== --0000000000005563af0586d39f59 You might have to register first, but they do have a Classifieds section. Dan D http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:43 AM Liz DuBois wrote: > Dan, > > Thanks for the suggestions. I was wondering if I could advertise them on > the MG Experience site. > > Cheers, > Liz > > On 4/18/2019 5:21 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote: > > Liz, my condolences on Dave's passing. > > You could put them on Craigslist, but because they are MG-specific you > might be better off advertising these items somewhere like the MG > Experience website ( https://www.mgexp.com/ ) or in the MGB Driver > magazine and website ( https://namgbr.org/ ) The latter might be for > members only, not sure of Dave was a member. > > Best Wishes, > > Dan DiBiase > Central NJ USA > http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:54 AM Mark J Bradakis via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: I have a couple of questions >> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:29:09 -0700 >> From: Liz DuBois >> To: >> >> >> >> This is Liz, Dave DuBois' wife. Dave passed away in late January but I >> have kept his email address 'alive' so people with fuel pump questions >> can be steered to someone who might be able to help them. >> >> Meanwhile, I have a couple of questions. I have a collection of >> magazines I would to send to a good home. Where can I advertise these? >> >> "The Sacred Octagon" from July 1974 through Dec 1987, plus Oct 1999 and >> April through Aug 2009 >> "MG Magazine", v.2 1980, v.8 1981-82, v.15-26 1984-1987, v.42 1992 and >> v.68 1998 >> "Enjoying MG" Sept 1987, Nov 1988 >> "Safety Fast" Nov 1983, Jan 1986, May 1987 >> "North American Classic MG", Issue #1 Winter 2001, #2 Spring 2001 and >> #14 2004 >> "Classic & Sportscar", Feb 1992 >> "British Car", Dec 1989 >> "Abingdon Classic" v.1, #1 Oct 1981 >> "Mowog Murmurs", Nov 1992 >> >> I also have two model kits... >> Finecast 1/24 scale white metal Auto Kit, Ref A 018; 1950 MG TD >> and >> Revell Highway Pioneers series model. 1953 MG Sports car. H-52-79. >> Plastic model that has never been assembled. Like new even if the box >> looks ancient! >> >> Where can I advertise them? I can send photos of the models. >> >> Liz DuBois >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com >> > > > --0000000000005563af0586d39f59 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You might have to register first, but they do have a Class= ifieds section.=C2=A0


On Thu, A= pr 18, 2019 at 11:43 AM Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Dan,

Thanks for the suggestions.=C2=A0 I was wondering if I could advertis= e them on the MG Experience site.

Cheers,
Liz

On 4/18/2019 5:21 AM, Dan DiBiase wrote:
=20
Liz, my condolences on Dave's passing.

You could put them on Craigslist, but because they are MG-specific you might be better off advertising these items somewhere like the MG Experience website (=C2=A0https://www.mgexp.com/=C2=A0 ) or in the MGB Driver magazine and website=C2=A0 (=C2=A0 https://namgb= r.org/=C2=A0) The latter might be for members only, not sure of Dave was a member.

Best Wishes,

Dan DiBiase
Central NJ USA=C2=A0


On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:5= 4 AM Mark J Bradakis via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have a couple of question= s
Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:29:09 -0700
From:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net>
To:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0



This is Liz, Dave DuBois' wife.=C2=A0 Dave passed away in l= ate January but I
have kept his email address 'alive' so people with fuel= pump questions
can be steered to someone who might be able to help them.

Meanwhile, I have a couple of questions.=C2=A0 I have a collection of
magazines I would to send to a good home.=C2=A0 Where can I advertise these?

"The Sacred Octagon" from July 1974 through Dec 1987,= plus Oct 1999 and
April through Aug 2009
"MG Magazine", v.2 1980, v.8 1981-82, v.15-26 1984-19= 87, v.42 1992 and
v.68 1998
"Enjoying MG" Sept 1987, Nov 1988
"Safety Fast" Nov 1983, Jan 1986, May 1987
"North American Classic MG", Issue #1 Winter 2001, #2= Spring 2001 and
#14 2004
"Classic & Sportscar", Feb 1992
"British Car", Dec 1989
"Abingdon Classic" v.1, #1 Oct 1981
"Mowog Murmurs", Nov 1992

I also have two model kits...
Finecast 1/24 scale white metal Auto Kit, Ref A 018; 1950 MG TD
and
Revell Highway Pioneers series model.=C2=A0 1953 MG Sports car. H-52-79.=C2=A0
Plastic model that has never been assembled.=C2=A0 Like new eve= n if the box
looks ancient!

Where can I advertise them?=C2=A0 I can send photos of the models.

Liz DuBois
_______________________________________________

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--0000000000005563af0586d39f59-- --===============0263741077198518361== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0263741077198518361==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:10:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25A4A12F9 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD43DA101C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:03:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [100.100.17.148] (242.sub-174-222-3.myvzw.com [174.222.3.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x3QM3oW2010992 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:03:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:03:48 -0700 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <9f32da45-bacf-53ce-4292-510fe25e0fd1@bell.net> <682853804.997794.1556293696973@mail.yahoo.com> To: Barrie Robinson , Barrie Robinson via Mgs , mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Interesting discovery From: lrc--- via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3583432487518083011== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------7AOPWP2E063423VO5VEYCL74FU05GT charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I get older I get evin-ruder=2E On April 26, 2019 12:10:10 PM PDT, Barrie Robinson via Mgs wrote: >You see what happens when you get old !!!=C2=A0 Of course it was Johnson= =C2=A0 -=20 >how the heck did I get onto Evinrude ??? > >Barrie - from Borneo days > >On 4/26/2019 11:48 AM, David Breneman via Mgs wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson >wrote: >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used t= o buy >Mercury >>> spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude >- >>> they were both the same engine only branded differently=2E >> Are you sure you don't mean Johnson?=C2=A0 I'm not aware of any >commonality >> between (former) OMC and Mercury/Mariner=2E >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet >> Donate: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/donate=2Ehtml >> Suggested annual donation $12=2E75 >> >> Archive: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell=2Enet --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------7AOPWP2E063423VO5VEYCL74FU05GT charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I get older I get evin-rud= er=2E

On April 26, 2019 12:10:10 PM PDT, = Barrie Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> wrote:
You see what happens when you g= et old !!!  Of course it was Johnson  - how the heck did I = get onto Evinrude ???

Barrie - from Borneo days

On 4/26/2019 11:48 AM, David Breneman via Mgs wrote:
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell=2Enet> wrot=
e:

   When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy=
 Mercury=20
spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude -=20
they were both the same engine only branded differently=2E

Are you sure you don't mean Johnson?  I'm not aware of any commonalit=
y
between (former) OMC and Mercury/Mariner=2E

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Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:43 PM Mark J Bradakis via Mgs wrote: > Came home from work to find the old server dying. But luckily I have > been working on getting the new server up and running. It isn't quite > ready, but the switch has been made. The email lists seem to be working > as far as I can tell, but the archiving will take some more time to get > set up. And the web pages are hit and miss, some work, some don't. I > hope to get it all back to normal soon. > > Well, not completely back to normal. It had been taking 2 -3 hours or > so for a message to come in and get sent out to the lists. It should > take only a minute or two now, thanks to fresh hardware, updated > software on a machine with twice the memory and a 50% faster CPU. > Thanks to all those who made use of the donate link to allow me to get > us a new machine. > > So bear with me for the next day or two, hopefully no messages got lost, > looking forward to smooth sailing. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --000000000000ca6afa0586f823aa Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Mark....

Dan D

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:43 PM Mark J Bradak= is via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net= > wrote:
Came= home from work to find the old server dying.=C2=A0 But luckily I have
been working on getting the new server up and running.=C2=A0 It isn't q= uite
ready, but the switch has been made.=C2=A0 The email lists seem to be worki= ng
as far as I can tell, but the archiving will take some more time to get set up.=C2=A0 And the web pages are hit and miss, some work, some don't= .=C2=A0 I
hope to get it all back to normal soon.

Well, not completely back to normal.=C2=A0 It had been taking 2 -3 hours or=
so for a message to come in and get sent out to the lists. It should
take only a minute or two now, thanks to fresh hardware, updated
software on a machine with twice the memory and a 50% faster CPU.=C2=A0 Thanks to all those who made use of the donate link to allow me to get
us a new machine.

So bear with me for the next day or two, hopefully no messages got lost, looking forward to smooth sailing.

mjb.


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=C2=A0 =C2=A0So quiet here! Thought I w= ould make some noise - even with a little MG content. But first...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This morning I'm going to the sho= p to make a little progress on three fun cars: Timing the TR6 project car&#= 39;s ignition, replacing a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getti= ng the Maserati up on wheel casters. Pretty amazing stuff, eh?! Now for the= MG bit.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm = putting a new top on my '53 TD! I had the 3-bow sticks blasted and powd= er coated in cream tan. They were careful to keep powder out of the hinge p= oints. So after a little oil, everything moves smoothly.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The sticks are remounted on t= he tub and align properly at the windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is g= oing on (almost) as I type. That will be my job this afternoon. Pictures to= follow.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I = also had the side screen frames powder coated. Tan, of course. New canvas w= ill go on them too, after the top is on, so the alignment can be precise. M= ore pictures then too.

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0So what are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern = Hemisphere. You cars coming out of hibernation? Good stories?

Rick, in northwest Houston=C2=A0
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From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9014843874976971694== boundary=Apple-Mail-CC9D62B3-A765-4BF1-BE28-E3E16266B096 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-CC9D62B3-A765-4BF1-BE28-E3E16266B096 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My experience was that the foam for the front rail was useful for a top i= nstalled by a canvas shop, but that when I installed a new top, foam was sup= erfluous as the rain did not blow in. The difference, it seemed to me, is that the flap that drops down onto th= e chrome frame top rail must be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers per= mit. That flap piece is installed first; time spent fitting it is well spen= t. Bob > On Apr 23, 2019, at 9:46 AM, wrote: >=20 > Richard -- > =20 > =E2=80=9CThe sticks are remounted on the tub and align properly at the win= dscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I type. That will= be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.=E2=80=9D > =20 > You might consider putting felt weather-stripping (for around windows =E2=80= =93 hardware stores & home centers sell it =E2=80=93 at least up north here)= on the header rail instead of the foam that probably came with your kit. I= =E2=80=99ve heard a number of people complain that the foam compresses after= time and fails to seal. I used felt on my TD header rail when restoring it= 40 years ago and it still does not leak at the top of the windscreen (throu= gh the bolt holes, yes, but not at the top!=E2=80=94and it=E2=80=99s still t= he same top). > =20 > Sarah Carr > TD & B/GT in PA > ______________________________________________ >=20 > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbobh@gmai= l.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-CC9D62B3-A765-4BF1-BE28-E3E16266B096 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
&nb= sp;  My experience was that the foam for the front rail was useful for a= top installed by a canvas shop, but that when I installed a new top, foam w= as superfluous as the rain did not blow in.
  &nb= sp;The difference, it seemed to me, is that the flap that drops down onto th= e chrome frame top rail must be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers per= mit.  That flap piece is installed first; time spent fitting it is well= spent.
Bob


On Apr 23, 2019, at 9:46 AM, <scvc70@epix.net> <scvc70@epix= .net> wrote:

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Richard --
 
=E2=80=9CThe sticks are remounted on the tub and align pro= perly at the=20 windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I type. That w= ill=20 be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.=E2=80=9D
 
You might consider putting felt weather-stripping (for around windows =E2= =80=93=20 hardware stores & home centers sell it =E2=80=93 at least up north here)= on the=20 header rail instead of the foam that probably came with your kit.  I=E2= =80=99ve=20 heard a number of people complain that the foam compresses after time and fa= ils=20 to seal.  I used felt on my TD header rail when restoring it 40 years a= go=20 and it still does not leak at the top of the windscreen (through the bolt ho= les,=20 yes, but not at the top!=E2=80=94and it=E2=80=99s still the same top).
=
 
Sarah Carr
TD & B/GT in PA
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= --Apple-Mail-CC9D62B3-A765-4BF1-BE28-E3E16266B096-- --===============9014843874976971694== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9014843874976971694==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 09:31:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C241A1638 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f68.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E45A1589; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f68.google.com with SMTP id y67so13037768ede.2; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TN4XGNeuvbPUalwlUDY7uQzwrny/F+ekZark1SqpJjM=; b=S8gB563v2hFzN82E63v98jsPIXppUdmcsNj+ildPWrQTqpjHtByrqrMTUjs16kTxCK CcIAYT/banshloIHlTXlJGtkhZeme0VrkeHSqsBiYWLEDIoGRI6XyYAsXxGeLT/gojgc vkZiU412Pt8eoB9/lxnfFnpoHXYOyqaItqOMFyz92GKrwJc5KBiNPlL+Ew8bNld3oAeI iMf9HDSCNQ/c6AxmlD/LLdou6/0f98ViXM4LmYJcC1HnPrT4mapaRht6FxV2eIhBdgzg B8QjE9yws/fdPvfJKMvCKjagrSLjbe2OsWEO2UuI/VQU645Uo89qFQTMJ51Or6bqAWnR x5eg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TN4XGNeuvbPUalwlUDY7uQzwrny/F+ekZark1SqpJjM=; b=oo/mx4q2HE2YGYgsJUuVkC6kGjHK9NFuI3KcyCiXhYxneCScpBp8n97O5/cgTIu43l iboMgWvvO65Igi3vu7eNnjKnv+zBebX8HLbRVdzblNTphiuKFYFHZ/1ooZt5D0pAnzGS c5aR+tGzxjis3S2RAki2HUbQNxgH6/076OvnNoou+i3nYBlbwYsT9+Y5jbTTW1DcdCg+ 0e2BTpUYI0+v3GnXm48suKl+91ScaFXZaCc1zL6VYvz0UkBGe9RPMu6mhnaixCW6A+II CU2RiM6rBqawMVcmtU9ylQFlbebgO9fPAu7KHKr1PCiB0Mn7AWVwAM7EhbSQWqbGq9hz p1Xw== rmKNjJj2u40FK1J4WZiFYO6He5HOzHBpjb1HxsQ= Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:31:08 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:30:59 -0700 To: Richard Lindsay Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: i erbs via Mgs Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6439352599832567039== --0000000000002b7ed30587344677 I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB in a state where I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to bleed hydraulic system and I'm working on getting a stuck engine water valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6, so I can flush my block and install an aluminum Radiator and pusher fan. Also chasing an oil blowby source, I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer for a number of organizations. So I'm time starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That should free up a a lot of time. Happy motoring and tinkering folks. Ira Erbs Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes 1967 MGB [image: MG] A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 6:33 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - even with a little MG > content. But first... > > This morning I'm going to the shop to make a little progress on three > fun cars: Timing the TR6 project car's ignition, replacing a pipe in the > Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the Maserati up on wheel casters. > Pretty amazing stuff, eh?! Now for the MG bit. > > I'm putting a new top on my '53 TD! I had the 3-bow sticks blasted and > powder coated in cream tan. They were careful to keep powder out of the > hinge points. So after a little oil, everything moves smoothly. > > The sticks are remounted on the tub and align properly at the > windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I type. That > will be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow. > > I also had the side screen frames powder coated. Tan, of course. New > canvas will go on them too, after the top is on, so the alignment can be > precise. More pictures then too. > > So what are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern > Hemisphere. You cars coming out of hibernation? Good stories? > > Rick, in northwest Houston > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com > --0000000000002b7ed30587344677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB in a stat= e where I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to bleed hydrau= lic system and I'm working on getting a stuck engine water valve to wor= k on 59 Healey 100-6, so I can flush my block and install an aluminum Radia= tor and pusher fan. Also chasing an oil blowby source,=C2=A0 I teach Full t= ime HS and part time college, plus volunteer for a number of organizations.= So I'm time starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That sho= uld free up a a lot of time.
Happy motoring and tinkering folks.
=
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
<= span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1= 959 BN4____/ _______)
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =C2=A03D"MG"

A racing car is an animal= with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please ex= cuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 6:33 AM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - eve= n with a little MG content. But first...

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0This morning I'm going to the shop to make a little progre= ss on three fun cars: Timing the TR6 project car's ignition, replacing = a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the Maserati up on whe= el casters. Pretty amazing stuff, eh?! Now for the MG bit.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm putting a new top on my &= #39;53 TD! I had the 3-bow sticks blasted and powder coated in cream tan. T= hey were careful to keep powder out of the hinge points. So after a little = oil, everything moves smoothly.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The sticks are remounted on the tub and align proper= ly at the windscreen. Canvas on the header rail is going on (almost) as I t= ype. That will be my job this afternoon. Pictures to follow.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also had the side scre= en frames powder coated. Tan, of course. New canvas will go on them too, af= ter the top is on, so the alignment can be precise. More pictures then too.=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0So what ar= e you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern Hemisphere. You cars co= ming out of hibernation? Good stories?

Rick, in northwest Houston=C2=A0
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California doesn=E2=80=99t, as I found = out. It all turned out for the best, however, as when I came back with = the running car, I had sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN = swap.


--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:30 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

I have two projects. Getting my Barn find 67 MGB = in a state where I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Need to = bleed hydraulic system and I'm working on getting a stuck engine water = valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6, so I can flush my block and install an = aluminum Radiator and pusher fan. Also chasing an oil blowby = source,  I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer = for a number of organizations. So I'm time starved. I do retire from my = day job end of JUne. That should free up a a lot of time.
Happy motoring and tinkering folks.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
    =   _______                 =                 =  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ = _______)
         = (_________________________)
    =       BT7 engine and disk brakes


1967= MGB  3D"MG"

A = racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti
Please excuse random = auto corrects and misspelled = words

= --Apple-Mail=_B69F8EDE-7B10-4D1A-8AC7-1FD54A0BB067-- --===============1501624902945672338== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1501624902945672338==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 12:33:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB7BA1819 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11895A1751; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f48.google.com with SMTP id y6so5792906ior.5; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:33:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hQ5k3fYxgDLjHLpTy6lwyRcEmvb4wljDKmcv1r9Gsno=; b=aLGvIaCtc96sQXiOuA5THlv+V67WijWzAen6ROxaZ9mgLYwIe17mQx88lLqJ/BOc/y vToplfCiM4B60lhoXW5PLXTjkSvveudfprYfoayq8ZCWDkgvS98JFyjE3rC1Jx6CqbNT zmVRk+vWAdHcyvMmFLhzvSvEAoAs9kQlGHjhDxko3ro0lHmdHsaDLiZFUr1/hzSLCj4a UGp/d8R2d5oaULF6xau/g91MsSSe9n4A1GXFGrJyHX7qBQIUCl5HkH2/lFqn4eGwNMI+ lCT7fZ+iuBlS4Pi9ZXJHqiyslpiKnj9lhOPl8EsnntrLzlDf8OTjHQQuG1S0XsbJiMF8 3utg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hQ5k3fYxgDLjHLpTy6lwyRcEmvb4wljDKmcv1r9Gsno=; b=ikhe3AN7BpCBazrI8o/ITCjbw3T9IBkivuIEs/s5uWDzoigXCZyAktwhwG2qiuycHj NBdrpA/NtwVN5QdoxkqSvEGB6o4vR6wS+Z5q0pAnwms2cCQqwHzHTm2HnzZyqBb1rjaA egk77Brauh+XR3PGCPyDEy5xb/QZXmnzs5VKUCKcYM0sc1ZI9WTGTIVDru2sz5A1q0V9 UXEo8/jvFyy8pIGRF+AoZPGs+bXbpU975ypH38n7G4I/mdY7WMml4Pg2s4WiXA/2g/Sx zzNlIPh1xpMWOosBsaOx2meARsf07wa1tPiZOYRCfCQS07oAY4D7UO2pdaOmRqYvXMSr mYLg== qmj52KrLwaSZ1wAi0dPt3SpkuAtv0vU9aRv9Zu0Tgw== m26mr13203372ioo.176.1556044415213; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:33:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 13:33:23 -0500 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0060430246849202325== --0000000000009fa625058736d244 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again Friends, Several comments to multiple respondents, including me: I wrote, > This morning...Timing the TR6 project car's ignition... Battery had failed in my meter so I gapped and installed spark plugs instead. > replacing a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the > Maserati up on wheel casters. Didn't get any of that done. Sarah wrote, > You might consider putting felt weather-stripping...on the header rail... Thanks Sarah. I have a nice roll of felt but maybe closed-cell foam instead? I'm concerned about the felt holding water. Mark wrote, > I was thinking that when I made the switch to the new server... > people might...make the lists more conversational. I hope so too Mark, and thank you for this service! Bob added to the top header thread, > ...the flap that drops down onto the chrome frame top rail must > be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers permit. Yea, that makes good sense. When I trial fitted the wrap, the flap kept trying to lift away as I pulled the canvas snug. I will follow your lead and make sure that the flap is low and aligned properly. Ira admitted (:-P, > I have two projects...Barn find 67 MGB...and...59 Healey 100-6 > I can trailer it down the the DMV to register. Love your projects! Here in Texas, the DMV doesn't even have to see the car. When I lived up in Oklahoma, the DMV had to visually verify the VIN but only for cars with out-of-state titles. They did not have to run. > Need to bleed hydraulic system and I'm working on getting a stuck > engine water valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6... My TR6 has new brakes all around but there is an obstruction in the rear circuit. Not a drop of brake fluid will flow. Perhaps I pinched a line when installing the new rear flex hose? > I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer...I'm time > starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That should free > up a a lot of time. LOL! I retired six years ago. Today, I can't imagine how I ever had time to work! Max added, > Oregon lets you register a car on a trailer? California doesn=E2=80=99t, = as > I found out. See above. > I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap. Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car is mine now and licensed as such. Nice to hear from each of you again. I put new plugs in my XPAG but probably need to clean the SU jets and needles. I also need to install a new choke cable. Oh, and another thing... When I reupholstered my car's seat back, the springs were rusted beyond repair, so I used foam; Too much foam. I made the seat back too thick and without the curved profile. It's comfortable but a bear to get in and out. I'm going to undo it all, reshape the foam, and reapply the upholstery. An electric carving knife is the perfect tool for shaping foam. That's it from my corner of Houston. Yours? Rick --0000000000009fa625058736d244 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello again Friends,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Se= veral comments to multiple respondents, including me:

I wrote,

> This morning...Timing the TR6 project car's ignition...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Battery had failed in my meter so I gapped and installed s= park plugs instead.

> replacing a pipe in the Testarossa fuel injection, and getting the
> Maserati up on wheel casters.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Didn't get any of that done.

Sarah wrote,

> You might consider putting felt weather-stripping...on the
header rail...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks Sarah. I have a nice roll of felt but maybe closed-= cell foam instead? I'm concerned about the felt holding water.

Mark wrote,

> I was thinking that when I made the switch to the new server...
> people=C2=A0might...make the=C2=A0lists more conversational.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I hope so too Mark, and thank you for this service!

Bob added to the top header thread,

> ...the flap that drops down onto the chrome frame top rail must
> be fitted as low as the cut-outs for wipers permit.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yea, that makes good sense. When I trial fitted the wrap, = the flap kept trying to lift away as I pulled the canvas snug. I will follo= w your lead and make sure that the flap is low and aligned properly.

Ira admitted (:-P,

> I have two projects...Barn find 67 MGB...and...59 Healey 100-6
> I can trailer it down the the DMV to register.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Love your projects! Here in Texas, the DMV doesn't eve= n have to see the car. When I lived up in Oklahoma, the DMV had to visually= verify the VIN but only for cars with out-of-state titles. They did not ha= ve to run.

> Need to bleed hydraulic system and I'm working on getting a stuck<= br> > engine water valve to work on 59 Healey 100-6...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0My TR6 has new brakes all around but there is an obstructi= on in the rear circuit. Not a drop of brake fluid will flow. Perhaps I pinc= hed a line when installing the new rear flex hose?

> I teach Full time HS and part time college, plus volunteer...I'm t= ime
> starved. I do retire from my day job end of JUne. That should free
> up a a lot of time.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0LOL! I retired six years ago. Today, I can't imagine h= ow I ever had time to work!

Max added,

> Oregon lets you register a car on a trailer? California doesn=E2=80=99= t, as
> I found out.

=C2=A0= =C2=A0See above.

> I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo= E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a yea= r to get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the c= ar is mine now and licensed as such.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Nice to hear from each of you again. I put new pl= ugs in my XPAG but probably need to clean the SU jets and needles. I also n= eed to install a new choke cable. Oh, and another thing...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0When I reupholstered my car= 's seat back, the springs were rusted beyond repair, so I used foam; To= o much foam. I made the seat back too thick and without the curved profile.= It's comfortable but a bear to get in and out. I'm going to undo i= t all, reshape the foam, and reapply the upholstery. An electric carving kn= ife is the perfect tool for shaping foam.

=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0That's it from my corner of Houston. You= rs?

Rick
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From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3091298701612102602== boundary="Apple-Mail=_A59598AD-3E72-4428-80DB-695067272B3C" --Apple-Mail=_A59598AD-3E72-4428-80DB-695067272B3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, from a friend = that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The story was it had = been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster since possibly = the late 1970s (last registration on the =E2=80=9Cran when parked" car = was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but it had a VIN in = the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67. But the car had no reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it = was trailered to the paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which = was 97XXX, making it a very late 1966, which made more sense (this = matched the instrument panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, = the numbers were rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, = they were all hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were = experienced at doing it). After some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order = a blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go = to DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that = the numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was = carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 = vehicle of any kind, and didn=E2=80=99t even look at the chassis number = (he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to = see it, anyway). I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been thinking of. = Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up the tags. Or he = acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one up, which seems = rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag on it, which = would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I would think). = Who knows? Doesn=E2=80=99t matter, now. It could hardly have been some = kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored MGB shell, unlike = your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically valueless, the = particular VIN digits have no significance whatsoever. The discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and = application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an = independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not = only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably = helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just = appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were = correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > > I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap. >=20 > Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a = lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to = get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car = is mine now and licensed as such. --Apple-Mail=_A59598AD-3E72-4428-80DB-695067272B3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, = from a friend that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The = story was it had been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster = since possibly the late 1970s (last registration on the =E2=80=9Cran = when parked" car was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but = it had a VIN in the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67.

But the car had no = reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it was trailered to the = paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which was 97XXX, making it = a very late 1966, which made more sense (this matched the instrument = panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, the numbers were = rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, they were all = hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were experienced at doing = it).

After = some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order a = blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go to = DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that the = numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was = carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 = vehicle of any kind, and didn=E2=80=99t even look at the chassis number = (he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to = see it, anyway).

I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been = thinking of. Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up = the tags. Or he acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one = up, which seems rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag = on it, which would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I = would think). Who knows? Doesn=E2=80=99t matter, now. It could hardly = have been some kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored = MGB shell, unlike your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically = valueless, the particular VIN digits have no significance = whatsoever.

The = discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and = application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an = independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not = only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably = helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just = appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were = correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB



On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

> I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99= s attempted VIN swap.

   Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought = my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! = It took me over a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up with = a bond title, but the car is mine now and licensed as = such.

= --Apple-Mail=_A59598AD-3E72-4428-80DB-695067272B3C-- --===============3091298701612102602== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3091298701612102602==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 14:01:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA3DA1856 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FF9A17B5 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id J1avhVwpfiYm2J1axhvyVO; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 20:00:48 +0000 To: "mgs@Autox.Team.Net" References: Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:00:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US sDfsCL68XnKEzA0l76/bCog4UFNuCFP5HhkHT39atFx5WPpEmY+T9ZZ4 Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0109994129189273642== boundary="------------8D7F5438F2D249297718E4AC" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8D7F5438F2D249297718E4AC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took her out for a spin in the neighborhood but she wouldn't pull uphill.  Fuel pump volume way down, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.  A new electronic SU pump took care of that.  Gotta rebuild the old points-type for a spare. Then I decided 10 year old tires were pushing my luck.  She's wearing a new set of Coopers now.  She's running like a top. Planned a trip to see this spring's Bluebonnets around Willow City, TX, but the weather has turned to crud. Waiting for sunny days..... Charley Robinson Kerrville, TX On 4/23/2019 8:32 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: >    So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - even with a little > MG content. But first... > >  SNIP >    So what are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern > Hemisphere. You cars coming out of hibernation? Good stories? > > Rick, in northwest Houston > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------8D7F5438F2D249297718E4AC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took her out for a spin in the neighborhood but she wouldn't pull uphill.  Fuel pump volume way down, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.  A new electronic SU pump took care of that.  Gotta rebuild the old points-type for a spare. Then I decided 10 year old tires were pushing my luck.  She's wearing a new set of Coopers now.  She's running like a top.  Planned a trip to see this spring's Bluebonnets around Willow City, TX, but the weather has turned to crud. 
Waiting for sunny days.....

Charley Robinson
Kerrville, TX

On 4/23/2019 8:32 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
   So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - even with a little MG content. But first...

 SNIP
   So what are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern Hemisphere. You cars coming out of hibernation? Good stories?

Rick, in northwest Houston 

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Tha= nks for sharing it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes fla= wless. Other times incalculable obscurity.=C2=A0

Fellow Texan Charley wrote,

> Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took h= er out for a spin in
> the neighborhood but she w= ouldn't pull uphill. Fuel pump volume
> way d= own, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Colin Campbell in his landmark book &= #39;The Sports Car Engine: It's tuning and modification', says alwa= ys to measure fuel pump delivery volume and pressure first. So Charley, you= 're right on target!


=C2=A0 =C2=A0The positive earth fuel= pump in my TD failed as well. I too replaced it with an SU electronic pump= . No problem since. However, when the (appearance of) originality isn't= required, a quite reliable 2-3 psi pump with adequate volume, is available= at a quarter the price of the SU. Its a OEM pump for an early carbed Honda= Civic! And that's what's in my '73 E-Type. Yes, adequate volum= e for that big V12 at full song. Rockauto stocks them.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0New tires at correct pressure a= re such a treat! I have new tires on newly powder-coated TR6 wheels, but th= ey've never made a turn under power. Soon though, I hope.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Charlie also writes,

> Waiting for sunny days= .....
>
> Charley Robinson
= > Kerrville, TX

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0I haven't looked at the forecast, as if that was any clue,= but after the next couple of days we may get that window in the weather!

Rick, down the road from = Charley
--000000000000238e9d05873b0ecb-- --===============1628421292653194461== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1628421292653194461==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 17:52:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F2CA204F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:52:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F9FA1571 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:52:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x3NNqBbW011677 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 16:52:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 16:52:10 -0700 References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0221414726558605422== boundary="Apple-Mail=_6B2E7DAF-5ECD-41F6-AE83-27E97AC734BC" --Apple-Mail=_6B2E7DAF-5ECD-41F6-AE83-27E97AC734BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment at the DMV = for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When the = truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they = wouldn=E2=80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched = it down to ground level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it = if the engine was missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in = the first place? And what does the engine have to do with it? And why = doesn=E2=80=99t it state either of these policies on the DMV web site? = (No mention anywhere). Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN inspection. So = I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 years, during = which time I made the discoveries described previously. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Richard Lindsay = wrote: >=20 > Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Thanks for sharing it. Any = dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes flawless. Other times = incalculable obscurity.=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6B2E7DAF-5ECD-41F6-AE83-27E97AC734BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment = at the DMV for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. = When the truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they = wouldn=E2=80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched = it down to ground level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it = if the engine was missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in = the first place? And what does the engine have to do with it? And why = doesn=E2=80=99t it state either of these policies on the DMV web site? = (No mention anywhere).

Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN = inspection. So I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for = 3-1/2 years, during which time I made the discoveries described = previously.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

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   Great story Max, if a little terrifying. Thanks = for sharing it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoot. Sometimes = flawless. Other times incalculable obscurity. 


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...and some people want MORE government! :-P

R

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What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment a= t the DMV for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When t= he truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they wouldn=E2= =80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched it down to gr= ound level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it if the engine wa= s missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in the first place? An= d what does the engine have to do with it? And why doesn=E2=80=99t it state= either of these policies on the DMV web site? (No mention anywhere).
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I do, just less dmv

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of = my phone

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 5:46 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <<= a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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...and some people wa= nt MORE government! :-P

R

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 6:52 PM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net&= gt; wrote:
What I failed to explain was that I had made an appointment at = the DMV for the day I was having it flat-bedded to the paint shop. When the= truck got to the front of the line, the inspector told us they wouldn=E2= =80=99t look at a car on a flat bed or trailer. So we winched it down to gr= ound level, THEN he told us he couldn=E2=80=99t look at it if the engine wa= s missing. Well, why didn=E2=80=99t you tell us that in the first place? An= d what does the engine have to do with it? And why doesn=E2=80=99t it state= either of these policies on the DMV web site? (No mention anywhere).
<= br>
Anyway, the paperwork was already made out, minus the VIN ins= pection. So I just kept going to the shop, where it hung out for 3-1/2 year= s, during which time I made the discoveries described previously.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Great story Max, if a little= terrifying. Thanks for sharing it. Any dealing with the DMV is a crap shoo= t. Sometimes flawless. Other times incalculable obscurity.=C2=A0


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--00000000000045382205873c76e0-- --===============9074813782317623274== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9074813782317623274==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 23 20:54:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114F0A229A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 20:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wr1-f45.google.com (unknown [209.85.221.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC83A1D7B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 20:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f45.google.com with SMTP id s15so22790853wra.12 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qQK5tgWgua7t+kBHv4ZqQCby4KmVA+4k0TksMcR+Qt0=; b=UzAg8mBicjX8VSfFc32jRI4ADwaeg2C/lcNnpn9DIxZXxCSBCwvEEi8rf6VBT6SQiU 0jRp742XyMjcMACdh8zWR+znwmpctCppC3J1iczZrrFoHWUhcWHGoc4PR65exiR63AXk Q9m2KVE6dLQ/6reWDlOIRwdKRQRet774xrN7eBzRKJVLrOf4FUwaUKEcDxlcKRxF4GvD 9q61VU1QO/tnnUR2lPb5yDowPYT/8NvdxUZC68cLWs/SJGCaApXk5jYoBOYERu4LvFsm 0AJtaGxNzb8NhT+qkS1nW1neJ22Q37cx1k/eOA/9ALD1k0vhv2X3Iz49wJ13qQ1hKjiD rmMg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qQK5tgWgua7t+kBHv4ZqQCby4KmVA+4k0TksMcR+Qt0=; b=Q68e7a8n3hZuw3VGjVspKqq2q5BoamPiH49dbJ+nOBjZQOUreIOIWtLKAJSR2O6vQ2 ZG0Ie4kseOeOh3AWVbGEo+3TqJ1aHnKjdvp2pHazf+O94VoUxUSOeP4nAnus44LfGKp0 Y2HTi28NEue0hV6/wyNGSLdxXa0RPsJyV5w1upEBHEZyzH2RQl+K5DY18QJO/aJLRTs3 w0+BkaDjc9s25DhRst32e78HndTEE9EqVXxAo+q765Xx9Gvxo1FcMKr8X2KZ9/FOyqGb 62oremhIP8ZiRq+vwopTb0u6EbmG1cN7F2CdQayaG4fwjekrV99ft379VI3fd8BaIYQy wvJg== XUzHnBDhEsFimghUCR/ZESg0oqdCl/4SL+x7sAo= Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:54:20 -0700 To: Max Heim Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! 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Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7107278344600527790== --00000000000055bf1805874512e3 Simon wrote, responding to Max, > At least you have a car that is titled against a chassis number. > My MGA is taitled against the engine number -- apparently common > for California MGAs. Here in Texas the registration and title document includes the VIN, or car/chassis number, owner's name and address, previous owner's info, and body color - I think. Oh, and there is an area to indicate if there is a lean against the car. EasyPeasy if everything is in order. Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it should be, for our own protection. I made a comment earlier about the size of government. I apologize. It was meant as an old joke, not a political statement. That kind of noise belongs elsewhere, like Facebook, etc.. We need to argue about important things like oil additives. YIKES!!! Rick --00000000000055bf1805874512e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Simon wrote, responding to Max,

> = At least you have a car that is titled against a chassis number.
> My=C2=A0MGA is taitled against the engin= e number -- apparently common
> for=C2=A0California MGAs.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Here in Texas the registration and titl= e document includes the VIN, or car/chassis number, owner's name and ad= dress, previous owner's info, and body color - I think. Oh, and there i= s an area to indicate if there is a lean against the car. EasyPeasy if ever= ything is in order. Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it should be, fo= r our own protection.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I made a comment earlier about the size o= f government. I apologize. It was meant as an old joke, not a political sta= tement. That kind of noise belongs elsewhere, like Facebook, etc.. We need = to argue about important things like oil additives. YIKES!!!

Rick
--00000000000055bf1805874512e3-- --===============7107278344600527790== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7107278344600527790==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 06:04:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732DFA266B for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEEDA146B for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id JGdihkR6rwJvjJGdih5HgN; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:04:38 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=28mM0-TpUr9B2sSCwogA:9 a=WS0y0_KqKjCzHL0q:21 a=JAtrYdVtR6zEkoae:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Oc6KrTL_Y1k5jv-gjy0A:9 a=Y_7miv1QvOEXG1Zx:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1556107478; bh=YSgxiNsO3dvqGaEPBOjh6ibsJ09Zxh/FyUjeVO74/nw=; h=From:Cc:References:Subject:Date; b=gQVoYUiKiaGKoHWiaV1E3TyUFlO2/hDfb27k9/vZMh2WtTXrzq+jrs1zylVK49tZl ytPnXHFregwLZRVyPLSvzvoiNr1q3fhe7NinnSFxwwNZWgAEeCV/VLvHTrO5otkh1E mLYCGeB1y2YN8ZyQaFy1VZhbBZk3ZyYqQw4Nc5odyt5p1ZMOwgjcqb8lFKXRVquiva 0sYeV7tRyaJI5UlYeHVNS2sGXLF/oqA+VDp0PySG38zLmhuJtUlMLH8PEPAi2DwuaD HdBNoWaM5oLLvvYGgDBRHmpBI46eRd4h4rglqMb/wvU5fN7uwEh563jP+WofX+PdTB QMPnwMZ5g0QaQ== Cc: References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:48:30 +0100 qr2Eqx7/3KKI+gw9OjWI3Mf3kNvHUxrxrnh0RwzvrxLlkWpl/O2UMHpf Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7040029912330285710== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01D4FA9C.04E70C40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D4FA9C.04E70C40 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine number and capacity, = body style, taxation class (Historic i.e. free yay), minus 'lien'. Still plenty of 'gotchas' though, one of the more recent being that if a = seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for money to notify the = DVLA of the sale (so he isn't liable for the purchasers subsequent = speeding fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has to = retax it before he can drive it. Tricky if the process takes place at = the sellers house. That and others are supposed to reduce the number of = untaxed and unregistered cars on the roads but there has been an = explosion in them. Once a car is off the books they can drive around = with impunity, with cloned plates applicable to another car, and = innocent victims copping for their speeding and parking tickets. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Here in Texas the registration and title document includes the VIN, = or car/chassis number, owner's name and address, previous owner's info, = and body color - I think. Oh, and there is an area to indicate if there = is a lean against the car. EasyPeasy if everything is in order. = Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it should be, for our own = protection.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D4FA9C.04E70C40 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine = number and=20 capacity, body style, taxation class (Historic i.e. free = yay), minus=20 'lien'.
 
Still plenty of 'gotchas' though, one of the more = recent being=20 that if a seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for money = to=20 notify the DVLA of the sale (so he isn't liable for the purchasers = subsequent=20 speeding fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has=20 to retax it before he can drive it.  Tricky if the process = takes place=20 at the sellers house.  That and others are supposed to = reduce the=20 number of untaxed and unregistered cars on the roads but there has been = an=20 explosion in them.  Once a car is off the books they can drive = around with=20 impunity, with cloned plates applicable to another car, and = innocent=20 victims copping for their speeding and parking tickets.
 
PaulH.
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  =  Here in Texas=20 the registration and title document includes the VIN, or car/chassis = number,=20 owner's name and address, previous owner's info, and body color - I = think. Oh,=20 and there is an area to indicate if there is a lean against the car. = EasyPeasy=20 if everything is in order. Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it = should=20 be, for our own protection. 

------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D4FA9C.04E70C40-- --===============7040029912330285710== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7040029912330285710==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 06:18:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B7DA2687 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f169.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90321A1922 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f169.google.com with SMTP id q19so5773159itk.3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 05:18:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PIQwTuYkRqfiXTpW2R5EzFqwwaa9+Zflnu5e69V9NDY=; b=Py8LJUrD+GR8Ssjs8BxwmK2ReRZ8uKuyZMYQO+lXBGnPUdnwUqOWVFF1r43EB1xMhT x+3zv3rb2aQ0SA72fqIPk71ILO3KBRr2uWQaMdR5IpAQ9un9yaSzgteRpSb85kry6fI0 Z4LlPWTr2QkiABsdr/pC3ws3mWTZyLnN8dqiZPlztUpOjkGsM4DdFXCsCi5yT9LhNuyk l/D0a2PojB9gTMT0dB2NZ9FpKMRFMv5Tp4jyUZivHCKcEfok8E3/ZQx+QAznFpVT20We ++9u/bAcPWihB1OXtdqirY0kSEK+XJ3gH01vtuhKNa0Cf2TCcrqeGPV3aDm0Db4vY4fR 0gEg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=PIQwTuYkRqfiXTpW2R5EzFqwwaa9+Zflnu5e69V9NDY=; b=ZXK1yI+hVnkQEXeh9oHUo4kKHMi7o05R2wXTUigJ8nhArESl8p1P6+MJ7ImOPZ8HTM 7vBzR3w1/1EKxXZrzUgtxITmcqeeU9ehpddUhG4H0I71oP0XOvyatjQRvddaKm+WrNPC hFGQKvAfAUvwZc/boVutq1z6qZzUPmcqrXpoZlowIL+7QcmLWCB3EqKzVuYpdL69qLmu fkic4MIESLGAOdP90CBb+Q5Y08J+x7jeLyxuF9ZFi+d5ybiRYSBndrTFHOfKGY59iW34 9C9P5WyB0P7Au9ANjJdTivCAQqwu7DtuODUwCgfQq6LBUk9REfweouKs1nDHb0GiisYp HnhQ== z9wZ5g40wGeHyoRAa1mEkpPUqnGXUbYmvlIydOCTEg== Wed, 24 Apr 2019 05:18:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 07:18:26 -0500 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: [Mgs] Timing discussion From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6717131121219905219== --000000000000914cc2058745b336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again, I write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on the Triumph forum ( Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, "Just advance the timing until you notice preignition." Now I recognize that Triumphs use farm implement engines, but that advice seems a bit sketchy. So let me write a preface then ask a question. The whole reason for ignition advance is to allow time for the flame front to progress across the combustion chamber and by doing so, to create the MEP (Mean Effective Pressure) where it does the most work. That is, where that maximum cylinder pressure occurs with respect to the piston position and therefore the connecting rod's angular relation to the crankshaft. Simple geometry says that will happen when the piston is halfway down, where the rod is at a right angle to the crank pin. But of course, the MEP is just a single number and theoretical. The pressure builds as the flame front progresses and continues to build as the piston moves down. The whole process is of course dynamic, and I like dynamic systems. Consider this; Before TDC the volume of the combustion space is decreasing, reaching a minimum at TDC. After TDC, the combustion volume is increasing thereby decreasing the pressure, right where the burning charge is increasing the pressure. The dynamics of that pressure increase-decrease becomes obvious, if complex. So I wonder if the best solution isn't to just trust the engine designers' knowledge, experience and testing? And by doing so, to set the timing to their recommended position - at least as a starting point? Okay, to counter that thought; We know engines wear and that their characteristics change. We also know that fuels are different today. My old TD's XPAG was designed when fuel's typical octane value was in the low 70s! Back to the discussion. We know that the progression of the flame across the combustion chamber is roughly constant. So the occurance of the MEP is constant, relative to the spark - but as engine speed increases, so does piston speed. So the centrifugal advance is there to alight the charge earlier to keep the MEP where it might do the most good. The vacuum advance is a whole other idea. Its basically a system to compensate for load. And in later cars, the advance and sometimes retard capsules are emissions related. One last comment on this. My Maserati Biturbo has capsules on both sides of the distributor but BOTH provide advance! One is vacuum operated, as with our LBCs. The other is pressure operated, offering advance when the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure above ambient. And we thing our LBCs are complex! Where and how do YOU set your cars' ignition timing? My TR6 wants 4=C2= =B0 BTDC. I can't remember what the designers specify for my TD. Rick, long winded on a Wednesday --000000000000914cc2058745b336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello again,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on t= he Triumph forum ( Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, "J= ust advance the timing until you notice preignition." Now I recognize = that Triumphs use farm implement engines, but that advice seems a bit sketc= hy. So let me write a preface then ask a question.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0The whole reason for ignition advance is to allow time for the= flame front to progress across the combustion chamber and by doing so, to = create the MEP (Mean Effective Pressure) where it does the most work. That = is, where that maximum cylinder pressure occurs with respect to the piston = position and therefore the connecting rod's angular relation to the cra= nkshaft. Simple geometry says that will happen when the piston is halfway d= own, where the rod is at a right angle to the crank pin. But of course, the= MEP is just a single number and theoretical. The pressure builds as the fl= ame front progresses and continues to build as the piston moves down.
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The whole process is of course dynamic, and = I like dynamic systems. Consider this; Before TDC the volume of the combust= ion space is decreasing, reaching a minimum at TDC. After TDC, the combusti= on volume is increasing thereby decreasing the pressure, right where the bu= rning charge is increasing the pressure. The dynamics of that pressure incr= ease-decrease becomes obvious, if complex.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0So I wonder if the best solution isn't to just trust the engine d= esigners' knowledge, experience and testing? And by doing so, to set th= e timing to their recommended position - at least as a starting point?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, to counter that thought; We know engi= nes wear and that their characteristics change. We also know that fuels are= different today. My old TD's XPAG was designed when fuel's typical= octane value was in the low 70s!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Back = to the discussion. We know that the progression of the flame across the com= bustion chamber is roughly constant. So the occurance of the MEP is constan= t, relative to the spark - but as engine speed increases, so does piston sp= eed. So the centrifugal advance is there to alight the charge earlier to ke= ep the MEP where it might do the most good.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0The vacuum advance is a whole other idea. Its basically a system to c= ompensate for load. And in later cars, the advance and sometimes retard cap= sules are emissions related. One last comment on this. My Maserati Biturbo = has capsules on both sides of the distributor but BOTH provide advance! One= is vacuum operated, as with our LBCs. The other is pressure operated, offe= ring advance when the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure above ambient. = And we thing our LBCs are complex!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Where and how do YOU set your cars' ignition ti= ming? My TR6 wants 4=C2=B0 BTDC. I can't remember what the designers sp= ecify for my TD.

Rick, l= ong winded on a Wednesday
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
--000000000000914cc2058745b336-- --===============6717131121219905219== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6717131121219905219==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 06:48:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0553A1970 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269F3A18AC for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id JHJbhkbiQwJvjJHJbh5JBn; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:47:55 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=oH0OozHkIXL89yeiKMEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=IH9Kbt4k1pZwdEvHiLkA:9 a=xZkRlM6jbxULVBOX:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1556110075; bh=Ta61BpCVOFGuPQ1juq1ejArTARbZsbrqTgD2lJxmEbY=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=Oj4X3bikwfJaSuZjTQFL/AuzbrmoLmtp9pbDu2fUwnUkZKirXTnqzYnE/z2MxaUkY SIGJaVJF8+xaPPyBURQsfupVCFi6FRBLZTRZkTcfn6cSbDvqXRN31nheQ9t5idhkFt ip80JQu/HYJ7Da29bMQTp1PlJjmIH5VBSX5nZyYGX3ru8T9Qk+/whuIofXkzg+KEnL 8wafdsvUGhApiPbBYv+nDt/3m5yCk17NL41834T8LKaveq6BuBIbeHDs4+1i/31VHs HKJgYwazgnk6VCxSBA49EMk733TnPvvGY0g566b0iX8/SsbRByxlst97RCBWWhJTIZ Rot+smP1ZlQAg== To: "Richard Lindsay" , References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:49:57 +0100 bMFv/KcngzH7BaLdUQ4+BsZyz9LJlFRf5L9oRs/J1XjZOyBRS1GlR/9wLdiN/VUdDGwhVyI9qNvt1mSSwy8as/fOeImQTqvgJ2k= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing discussion From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5912332146780455162== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01D4FAA4.9A7F6DD0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01D4FAA4.9A7F6DD0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "until you notice preignition" Is a bit drastic. Haynes says to drive = at full throttle in 4th from 30 to 50 and advance until faint pinking = can be heard. However I've noticed that I can get pinking at part = throttle and opening the throttle further stops it, either because the = bigger charge cools the combustion chamber more, or the vacuum advance = backs off. So I use the criteria 'at any combination of throttle, revs = and load' and keep it just short of that. =20 The reason Haynes says that you can benefit from advancing it over book = values is that with the level of engineering used in our engines some = will be more prone to pinking than others,and the book caters for the = worst case, and maybe with a bit of a safety factor. That was = definitely the case with an A-series in the 70s, which as a new car and = dealer serviced always came back running like a dog (comparatively) as = they always put it back to book. But on my 73 MGB I couldn't run more = than book, even on leaded, and have to retard slightly from that on = unleaded even 99 octane. Whether it pinks or not also depends on terrain. Living in a relatively = flat part of the world I don't get pinking, but when touring in Wales = and other mountainous areas it can. The 25D4 distributor is a great = benefit here as it allows one to retard the timing a degree or two very = easily, also if one can't get higher octane fuel in rural areas. Completely agree with your reasoning behind centrifugal and vacuum = advance, but: "The other is pressure operated, offering advance when the twin turbos = raise the plenum pressure above ambient." Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard? If the turbos were increasing = the pressure I'd expect that to make spontaneous combustion more likely, = needing retarding to control. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 I write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on the = Triumph forum ( Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, "Just = advance the timing until you notice preignition." Now I recognize that = Triumphs use farm implement engines, but that advice seems a bit = sketchy. So let me write a preface then ask a question. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01D4FAA4.9A7F6DD0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
"until you notice = preignition"  Is a=20 bit drastic.  Haynes says to drive at full throttle in 4th from 30 = to 50=20 and advance until faint pinking can be heard.  However I've noticed = that I=20 can get pinking at part throttle and opening the throttle further stops = it,=20 either because the bigger charge cools the combustion chamber more, = or the=20 vacuum advance backs off.  So I use the criteria 'at any = combination of=20 throttle, revs and load' and keep it just short of that.  =
 
The reason Haynes says that you can benefit from = advancing it=20 over book values is that with the level of engineering used in our = engines some=20 will be more prone to pinking than others,and the book caters for the = worst=20 case, and maybe with a bit of a safety factor.  That was definitely = the=20 case with an A-series in the 70s, which as a new car and dealer serviced = always=20 came back running like a dog (comparatively) as they always put it back = to=20 book.  But on my 73 MGB I couldn't run more than book, even on = leaded, and=20 have to retard slightly from that on unleaded even 99 = octane.
 
Whether it pinks or not also depends on = terrain.  Living=20 in a relatively flat part of the world I don't get pinking, but when = touring in=20 Wales and other mountainous areas it can.  The 25D4 distributor is = a great=20 benefit here as it allows one to retard the timing a degree or two very = easily,=20 also if one can't get higher octane fuel in rural areas.
 
Completely agree with your reasoning behind = centrifugal and=20 vacuum advance, but:
 
"The other is pressure = operated, offering=20 advance when the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure above=20 ambient."
 
Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard?  If the = turbos=20 were increasing the pressure I'd expect that to make spontaneous = combustion more=20 likely, needing retarding to control.
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
   I=20 write to open a discussion about ignition timing. Over on the Triumph = forum (=20 Apologies for using profanity. ) a member wrote, "Just advance the = timing=20 until you notice preignition." Now I recognize that Triumphs use farm=20 implement engines, but that advice seems a bit sketchy. So let me = write a=20 preface then ask a question.
 
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From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5770919528307914652== --0000000000000f08b70587462ce7 Wow Paul! There are always people who find ways to cheat the system. Another whole discussion has to do with the 'road tax' that you mention. Its not a topic worthy of extended discussion here, but it is a concern. Ages ago I offered to sell my Mondial QV to an old friend in Porto, Portugal. He wanted the car and the price was right, about $24k. However, that Ferrari has a 3.0 liter V8 engine and Portugal's tax structure classes that engine as 'large'. The tax to import that car into the EU, plus road tax (or whatever they call it) was to be MORE than the cost of the car! I could have given him the car and it still wouldn't have been a good deal! Here in the States we forget how lucky we are with automobile taxes and fuel. In Texas we pay a 'sales tax', the equivalent of VAT, each time a car is transferred. Rounded up, its about 7% of the 'value' of the car. Its a one time charge, except for annual re-registration for a nominal fee (about $67). As is always the case, 'value' is a poorly defined term. In the case of the DMV, TXDOT, it appears to be the greater of the actual purchase price or the DMV's established value of the car. That works fine for a 2017 Ford but there are no MGAs in their value guide. Therefore, its important to present a Bill-of-Sale to establish value. And since tax is paid based upon value, it is common practice here to falsify the Bill-of-Sale. Yea, back to that cheating the system. We don't have a road tax, *per se*., other than that which is added to the price of fuel. We know that big engines burn more fuel, but otherwise, that 'road tax' is independent of car type. Then again, our fuel is so cheap that the topic is barely worthy of discussion. I live where much of the nation's fuel is refined so prices are even lower, due to minimal transportation costs. Please remember, much of what I have written above pertains to Texas, not the USA in general. In the States, much of the tax structure is set by the state, added on to whatever the national government imposes. That's sometimes confusing for those living outside of the USA. Rick On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 7:04 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine number and capacity, > body style, taxation class (Historic i.e. free yay), minus 'lien'. > > Still plenty of 'gotchas' though, one of the more recent being that if a > seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for money to notify the > DVLA of the sale (so he isn't liable for the purchasers subsequent speeding > fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has to retax it > before he can drive it. Tricky if the process takes place at the sellers > house. That and others are supposed to reduce the number of untaxed and > unregistered cars on the roads but there has been an explosion in them. > Once a car is off the books they can drive around with impunity, with > cloned plates applicable to another car, and innocent victims copping for > their speeding and parking tickets. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Here in Texas the registration and title document includes the VIN, or > car/chassis number, owner's name and address, previous owner's info, and > body color - I think. Oh, and there is an area to indicate if there is a > lean against the car. EasyPeasy if everything is in order. Cumbersome if > not. Perhaps that is how it should be, for our own protection. > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com > --0000000000000f08b70587462ce7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Wow Paul! There are always people who find w= ays to cheat the system.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Another whole discus= sion has to do with the 'road tax' that you mention. Its not a topi= c worthy of extended discussion here, but it is a concern.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ages ago I offered to sell my Mondial QV to an old frie= nd in Porto, Portugal. He wanted the car and the price was right, about $24= k. However, that Ferrari has a 3.0 liter V8 engine and Portugal's tax s= tructure classes that engine as 'large'. The tax to import that car= into the EU, plus road tax (or whatever they call it) was to be MORE than = the cost of the car! I could have given him the car and it still wouldn'= ;t have been a good deal!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Here in the S= tates we forget how lucky we are with automobile taxes and fuel. In Texas w= e pay a 'sales tax', the equivalent of VAT, each time a car is tran= sferred. Rounded up, its about 7% of the 'value' of the car. Its a = one time charge, except for annual re-registration for a nominal fee (about= $67).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0As is always the case, 'valu= e' is a poorly defined term. In the case of the DMV, TXDOT, it appears = to be the greater of the actual purchase price or the DMV's established= value of the car. That works fine for a 2017 Ford but there are no MGAs in= their value guide. Therefore, its important to present a Bill-of-Sale to e= stablish value. And since tax is paid based upon value, it is common practi= ce here to falsify the Bill-of-Sale. Yea, back to that cheating the system.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0We don't have a road tax, per s= e., other than that which is added to the price of fuel. We know that b= ig engines burn more fuel, but otherwise, that 'road tax' is indepe= ndent of car type. Then again, our fuel is so cheap that the topic is barel= y worthy of discussion. I live where much of the nation's fuel is refin= ed so prices are even lower, due to minimal transportation costs.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please remember, much of what I have written abo= ve pertains to Texas, not the USA in general. In the States, much of the ta= x structure is set by the state, added on to whatever the national governme= nt imposes. That's sometimes confusing for those living outside of the = USA.

Rick
On Wed, A= pr 24, 2019, 7:04 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Much the same in the UK plus various dates, engine nu= mber and=20 capacity, body style, taxation class (Historic i.e. free yay),=C2=A0minus= =20 'lien'.
=C2=A0
Still plenty of 'gotchas' though, one of the = more recent being=20 that if a seller goes online immediately he swaps the car for=C2=A0money to= =20 notify the DVLA of the sale (so he isn't liable for the purchasers subs= equent=20 speeding fines), the existing road tax is cancelled and the buyer has=20 to=C2=A0retax it before he can drive it.=C2=A0 Tricky if the process takes = place=20 at the sellers house.=C2=A0 That and others are supposed to reduce=C2=A0the= =20 number of untaxed and unregistered cars on the roads but there has been an= =20 explosion in them.=C2=A0 Once a car is off the books they can drive around = with=20 impunity, with cloned plates=C2=A0applicable to=C2=A0another car, and innoc= ent=20 victims copping for their speeding and parking tickets.
=C2=A0
PaulH.
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Her= e in Texas=20 the registration and title document includes the VIN, or car/chassis numb= er,=20 owner's name and address, previous owner's info, and body color -= I think. Oh,=20 and there is an area to indicate if there is a lean against the car. Easy= Peasy=20 if everything is in order. Cumbersome if not. Perhaps that is how it shou= ld=20 be, for our own protection.=C2=A0

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--0000000000000f08b70587462ce7-- --===============5770919528307914652== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5770919528307914652==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 07:13:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC51A275A for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 07:13:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f169.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA402A2736 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 07:13:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f169.google.com with SMTP id w15so6100694itc.0 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9XHWJcZMc1FEC7TyB0lyjrpcZjp9WBeI/TTkMgBVLVM=; b=W39yoZVS27zRzFusvHKPARtp3k6AWMrlp8VMVkYx7CLFqcqjt+iM/yuz5p12S5ttTY BM16ZTYCGknWijyIDD7MX1DTcYboP8oT2qOtqskGBDZxAnKT7y643K9pUbDxhuIK3jGZ RQ/gaR4j/snB6iRL+mWknkMACzStBckYw+LJ9dxFn5cINQj1j0dIiMj/KcIeg0VzqH9d VSxc5dk9CxdagKNQR9cFyRM0jh4ZefQZ82VNP4CQaLeusnq/G7tGRPF8RXhEJfI4LUxt RQVpkKwO4OaqOsA2mBWzXYrAsphaTQ22G89e5Rp2uq6+fuW94dTTU7udYG49V+qFUSpj YBkQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9XHWJcZMc1FEC7TyB0lyjrpcZjp9WBeI/TTkMgBVLVM=; b=bLrUnRj3eHPN1Mr/SQSw8jAtVtBpTffBcrwHjh8NTtmhdf+ZsJZ4u73RwOjsVg/SBE ADR/cY4Vz/BP0HSJEU3dS6SGvhiKuzNQHOYS0cDUiLDsIDq3nk5LmZOdYAIQkdlw/Lcp fUqro7QwwCKKMMlpc8aUVPU/JUxNHcoHU1LBmVz0bCEiYB8Aa/mu4H8RgfH2aptTTFXm QuC0CbFv+iJlXCGMCFgYIbvxZrVWe3oGlqE6xKcQ415xUCro2QKs5in4V+/ptjVo3WVm 9L+1u3p2PgS6cNOq6bGiOLohsQO1tJl3IsQgxNpM6+SipnGRXv4BWKXY0O9mgRWpYqaF RvWw== fQZQnlUceUSwRlG4pI6Cn/aqhbfiMRqBFq23jIxyzQ== Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:13:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:13:37 -0500 To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing discussion From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8547156712332058209== --000000000000df5ab005874678ee Paul, I agree completely with your assessment and recommendation for timing. > Completely agree with your reasoning behind centrifugal and vacuum > advance, but: > >> "The other is pressure operated, offering advance when >> the twin turbos raise the plenum pressure above ambient." > > Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard? Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when restoring my car. The early Biturbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is enclosed in the plenum. When boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule takes over. Its a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various vacum/pressure lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my love of dynamic systems! :-P > If the turbos were increasing the pressure I'd expect that to > make spontaneous combustion more likely, needing retarding to > control. You are of course, correct. And to make things even more complex, the problem you describe is handled by a knock sensor feeding the MABC (Maserati Automatic Boost Control) computer. When preignition or pinking occurs, the computer modulates the waste gates to reduce the boost. And to beat this dead horse a tiny bit more; The Biturbo's MABC does not work like conventional boost control systems where boost is just dumped by the waste gates when some maximum is reached. The turbos in the Biturbo are small but there are two of them. And they make more boost at all engine speeds - other than idle, I guess - than the engine can use. Therefore, the MABC continuously modulates the waste gates to keep the maximum boost under 1 bar. They are always working at some level. The only true 'dump' occurs when lifting from WOT. Yea, TMI. Now back to proper engines with proper systems. :-) Thanks again Paul, for the technical insight. Rick > --000000000000df5ab005874678ee Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Paul, I agree completely with your assessmen= t and recommendation for timing.

>= ; Completely agree with your reasoning behind centrifugal and vacuum
<= div style=3D"" dir=3D"auto">> advance, but:
>
>> "The other is pressure operated, of= fering advance when
>> the twin turbos raise t= he plenum pressure above ambient."
>=C2=A0
> Are you sure that isn't vacuum retard?

=C2= =A0 Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when restoring my car. The early Bit= urbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is enclosed in the plenum. W= hen boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule takes over. I= ts a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various vacum/pressure = lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my love of dynamic syste= ms! :-P

> If the turbos were increasing the pressure I'd expect that t= o
> make spontaneous combustion more l= ikely, needing retarding to
> control.=

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0You are of course, correct. And to make things even more compl= ex, the problem you describe is handled by a knock sensor feeding the MABC = (Maserati Automatic Boost Control) computer. When preignition or pinking oc= curs, the computer modulates the waste gates to reduce the boost.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0And to beat this dead horse a tiny bi= t more; The Biturbo's MABC does not work like conventional boost contro= l systems where boost is just dumped by the waste gates when some maximum i= s reached. The turbos in the Biturbo are small but there are two of them. A= nd they make more boost at all engine speeds - other than idle, I guess - t= han the engine can use. Therefore, the MABC continuously modulates the wast= e gates to keep the maximum boost under 1 bar. They are always working at s= ome level. The only true 'dump' occurs when lifting from WOT. Yea, = TMI. Now back to proper engines with proper systems. :-) Thanks again Paul,= for the technical insight.

Rick
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Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when restoring my car. The early = Biturbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is enclosed in the = plenum. When boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule = takes over. Its a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various = vacum/pressure lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my = love of dynamic systems! :-P Ah of course - boost kills 'vacuum' advance, so 'pressure' advance = takes over. ... When preignition or pinking occurs, the computer modulates the = waste gates to reduce the boost. For a long time I messed around trying to get a 'knock-sensing retard' = system onto the MGB, but the engine is so noisy the knock sensor was = triggering all the time! Early BL computer controlled systems used that = instead of (or maybe as well as) fixed maps, suddenly tread on the = throttle to pull away and you could hear it pink like billy-oh, then = rapidly reduce as the system retarded. Had it worked it would have = largely taken the place of centrifugal and vacuum advance, but never = mind. Paul. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01D4FAAB.132991B0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
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> Are=20 you sure that isn't vacuum retard?

  Yea, I wrestled with that for ages when = restoring my car.=20 The early Biturbo turbos blow through the carburetor, which is = enclosed in the=20 plenum. When boost comes up, vacuum advance fails so the other capsule = takes=20 over. Its a nasty, complex system with flow restrictors in various=20 vacum/pressure lines to retard reaction time. It almost destroyed my = love of=20 dynamic systems! :-P
 
Ah of course - boost = kills 'vacuum'=20 advance, so 'pressure' advance takes over.
 
... When preignition or pinking = occurs, the=20 computer modulates the waste gates to reduce the boost.
 
For a long time I = messed around=20 trying to get a 'knock-sensing retard' system onto the MGB, but the = engine is=20 so noisy the knock sensor was triggering all the time!  Early BL = computer=20 controlled systems used that instead of (or maybe as well as) fixed = maps,=20 suddenly tread on the throttle to pull away and you could hear it pink = like=20 billy-oh, then rapidly reduce as the system retarded.  Had it = worked it=20 would have largely taken the place of centrifugal and vacuum advance, = but=20 never mind.
 
Paul.
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Awesome Charley. No factory manual is going to adequ= ately prescribe the right answer for your FrankenMGB. You must love engine = building as much as do I.

R

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:41 AM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
That comment,=C2=A0 "Just advance the timi= ng until you notice preignition."=C2=A0
has to be taken in the context of how much advance can you dial in
before it starts to ping under load.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's a rough attempt t= o dial in a
particular engine/fuel combination.=C2=A0 I think most of us know the trial=
and error method.

To answer your question: My B engine is set at ~12* advance @ 850 - 900 RPM with the vac disconnected.=C2=A0 It pulls well through the midrange=C2= =A0 set
that way.=C2=A0 But my engine kind of "parts is parts." It's = a 18V block with
GH innards (flat -top pistons).=C2=A0 All this topped by a pre-smog head an= d
HS-4 carbs.=C2=A0 So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I like it o= n
mid-grade gas.

CR
--0000000000003f639e05874855fb-- --===============7588813533449306057== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7588813533449306057==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 10:35:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774DA298D for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EAEA2900 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x3OGYrOH026700 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:34:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:34:53 -0700 References: <5FC3313E-A715-414B-BDFD-45D073FA1529@sonic.net> <23f3e363-314e-1e77-1167-e2bd132e9276@bell.net> To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0143819905750601622== boundary="Apple-Mail=_95899458-09CA-4D6B-9B09-E48E8E7FF775" --Apple-Mail=_95899458-09CA-4D6B-9B09-E48E8E7FF775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 OK, if anyone in the area of San Jose CA needs an auto registrar, I=E2=80=99= d be happy to pass along her information. I don't think I should post it = on the list, however. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Apr 24, 2019, at 6:12 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote: >=20 > Hello Max, >=20 > Maybe you should give her contact information - with her permission of = course !!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 4/23/2019 3:14 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and = application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an = independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not = only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably = helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just = appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were = correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low. >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs = >>>=20 >>> > I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap. >>>=20 >>> Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a = lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to = get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car = is mine now and licensed as such. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_95899458-09CA-4D6B-9B09-E48E8E7FF775 type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3917C148-1ED3-4A0E-B8E1-7656C46BE3E7" --Apple-Mail=_3917C148-1ED3-4A0E-B8E1-7656C46BE3E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 OK, if anyone in the area of San Jose CA needs an auto = registrar, I=E2=80=99d be happy to pass along her information. I don't = think I should post it on the list, however.

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On Apr 24, 2019, at 6:12 AM, Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net> = wrote:

=20 =20
Hello = Max,

Maybe you should give her contact information - with her permission of course !!!

3D""

On 4/23/2019 3:14 PM, Max Heim via = Mgs wrote:

The discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cwrong" number, = and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number = were smoothed out by using an independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.

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Max Heim
'66 MGB



On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap.

   Gulp! Glad = that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car is mine now and licensed as such.


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I've learned a few things regarding my TD's top installation. Thanks! Nice technical words flowing too. I know its off topic a bit, but here are a few picture links of some of my ongoing projects. Here's the TD with top frame in place and side screen frames just loosely setting in place. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20190410_112838.jpg Here's the Triumph TR6 engine about ready to run for the first time in almost a decade. http://www.aubard.us/TR6/20190424_095344.jpg Here's the Maserati engine. http://www.aubard.us/Biturbo_E/20190410_103502.jpg And finally, here's the Testarossa's big dog. http://www.aubard.us/TR/20190424_095423e.jpg Okay, enough OT content. You might see why I am culling the herd. Thanks for viewing. Rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 24 12:46:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670F5A1287 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.dca.untd.com (unknown [64.136.47.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C43A7A1241 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:45:58 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1556131557; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=V4K6MY+HkPEV+HABGnUyhaL+pzhTA5y4VyV91eoqUsPdx+lr6T78ihhqZ4KM8O2Yc Rv6ja5d/S2LNmcFO1HldMRKE+9O7hdKSfvsAoP/6WZd7iLvLmtHselVsYoCoiE95VN uPM/dy4YDfuJBvXEGPwbrKEX4JYYEXwwbnvbvHeI= Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABQNBMY5ARAKAVA for (sender ); Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [50.232.210.90] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 18:44:30 GMT Full-Name: "mghirsch@netzero.net" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 18:44:30 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing discussion From: mghirsch--- via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0176450500260869809== ----__JWM__J5bf57679.7b7ed43S.750a2129M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You also have to realize that factory specs are a compromise. They are = trying to balance performance, mileage engine life and in modern cars, e= missions. You can tune it for, let's say mileage, but performance will= suffer. Conversely, if you tune it for performance mileage will suffer= . Tune it the way you want it to run. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs To: Charley38@twc.com Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing discussion Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:26:49 -0500 Awesome Charley. No factory manual is going to adequately prescribe the = right answer for your FrankenMGB. You must love engine building as much = as do I. R On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:41 AM Charley Robinson wrote= :That comment, "Just advance the timing until you notice preignition." = = has to be taken in the context of how much advance can you dial in = before it starts to ping under load. It's a rough attempt to dial in = a = particular engine/fuel combination. I think most of us know the trial = = and error method. = To answer your question: My B engine is set at ~12* advance @ 850 - 900= = RPM with the vac disconnected. It pulls well through the midrange set= = that way. But my engine kind of "parts is parts." It's a 18V block wit= h = GH innards (flat -top pistons). All this topped by a pre-smog head and= = HS-4 carbs. So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I like it on= = mid-grade gas. = CR ____________________________________________________________ Drink 1 Cup Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy mayserve-magestor.com http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/5cc0aedbb0ee52edb6953st03duc= ----__JWM__J5bf57679.7b7ed43S.750a2129M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
You also have to realize that factory specs are a compromise.=   They are trying to balance performance, mileage engine life and i= n modern cars, emissions.  You can tune it for, let's say  mil= eage, but performance will suffer.  Conversely, if you tune it for = performance mileage will suffer.  Tune it the way you want it to ru= n.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Lindsa= y via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
To: Charley38@twc.com
Cc: "mg= s@autox.team.net List" <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] = Timing discussion
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:26:49 -0500

Awesome Charley. No factory manual is going to adequately prescribe= the right answer for your FrankenMGB. You must love engine building as = much as do I.
 
R

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:41 AM Char= ley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com<= /a>> wrote:
That comment,  "Just advanc= e the timing until you notice preignition." 
has to be taken i= n the context of how much advance can you dial in
before it starts = to ping under load.   It's a rough attempt to dial in a
p= articular engine/fuel combination.  I think most of us know the tri= al
and error method.

To answer your question: My B engine = is set at ~12* advance @ 850 - 900
RPM with the vac disconnected.&n= bsp; It pulls well through the midrange  set
that way.  B= ut my engine kind of "parts is parts." It's a 18V block with
GH inn= ards (flat -top pistons).  All this topped by a pre-smog head and <= br> HS-4 carbs.  So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I li= ke it on
mid-grade gas.

CR


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Exactly. If we learn anything from being lifelong automob= ile enthusiasts its that EVERYTHING on a car is a compromise!

On Wed, Apr 24= , 2019, 1:46 PM mghirsch@netzero.ne= t <mghirsch@netzero.net&= gt; wrote:
You also have to re= alize that factory specs are a compromise.=C2=A0 They are trying to balance= performance, mileage engine life and in modern cars, emissions.=C2=A0 You = can tune it for, let's say=C2=A0 mileage, but performance will suffer.= =C2=A0 Conversely, if you tune it for performance mileage will suffer.=C2= =A0 Tune it the way you want it to run.

---------- Original Message = ----------
From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net><= br>To: Charley38@twc.com
Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" = <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Timing discussion
D= ate: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:26:49 -0500

Awesome Charley. No factory manual is going to adequately prescribe th= e right answer for your FrankenMGB. You must love engine building as much a= s do I.
=C2=A0
R

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:41 AM Charley= Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
That comment,=C2=A0 "Just advance the t= iming until you notice preignition."=C2=A0
has to be taken in the= context of how much advance can you dial in
before it starts to ping = under load.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's a rough attempt to dial in a
particul= ar engine/fuel combination.=C2=A0 I think most of us know the trial
an= d error method.

To answer your question: My B engine is set at ~12= * advance @ 850 - 900
RPM with the vac disconnected.=C2=A0 It pulls we= ll through the midrange=C2=A0 set
that way.=C2=A0 But my engine kind o= f "parts is parts." It's a 18V block with
GH innards (fl= at -top pistons).=C2=A0 All this topped by a pre-smog head and
HS-4 ca= rbs.=C2=A0 So I had to tweak it to get it to run the way I like it on
= mid-grade gas.

CR


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Certainly the factory design overall is the = compromise you=20 mention, and as said earlier the settings are chosen for a 'worst = case' in=20 what can be quite a large variation between engines, plus a safety = factor. =20 But given the components that come with any particular engine (of our=20 era) 'tuning' can only consist of setting the timing and the = mixture, and=20 for those there is only one 'correct' setting.  Get those right and = you=20 will have the best performance and mileage, and by 'right' I mean right = for your=20 engine and fuel.  That may well mean more advance than book as I = found,=20 which gave improved performance AND mileage, with no engine = unreliability=20 over the 6 years and 60k I had it..
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
You also have to realize that factory specs are a = compromise.  They=20 are trying to balance performance, mileage engine life and in modern = cars,=20 emissions.  You can tune it for, let's say  mileage, but = performance=20 will suffer.  Conversely, if you tune it for performance mileage = will=20 suffer.  Tune it the way you want it to=20 run.
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I look for total advance when timing an engine.  If I recall corre= ctly my total advance is about 32 degrees BTDC at 3000 rpm.  Set the in= itial mechanical timing and have distributor advance provide the rest.  = ;This usually involves changing the distributor springs to make the centrifu= gal advance quicker than factory specs. 
J DiFede

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<= br>On Apr 25, 2019, at 3:37 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Certainly the factory design overall is the compromise= you=20 mention, and as said earlier the settings are chosen for a 'worst case'= in=20 what can be quite a large variation between engines, plus a safety factor.&n= bsp;=20 But given the components that come with any particular engine (of our=20 era) 'tuning' can only consist of setting the timing and the mixture, a= nd=20 for those there is only one 'correct' setting.  Get those right and you= =20 will have the best performance and mileage, and by 'right' I mean right for y= our=20 engine and fuel.  That may well mean more advance than book as I found,= =20 which gave improved performance AND mileage, with no engine unreliabili= ty=20 over the 6 years and 60k I had it..
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----
You also have to realize that factory specs are a compromise.  T= hey=20 are trying to balance performance, mileage engine life and in modern cars,= =20 emissions.  You can tune it for, let's say  mileage, but perform= ance=20 will suffer.  Conversely, if you tune it for performance mileage will= =20 suffer.  Tune it the way you want it to=20 run.
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TR3b Mail List Subject: [Mgs] Interesting discovery From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Friends, I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater. The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling discovery. Rick _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 25 16:02:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC0A0C77 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtlfep02.bell.net (unknown [184.150.200.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E62FA0C15 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bell.net mtlfep02 184.150.200.30 by mtlfep02.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190425220200.EDBN4444.mtlfep02.bell.net@mtlspm02.bell.net> for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:02:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (really [76.66.122.100]) by mtlspm02.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190425220200.GGRI21689.mtlspm02.bell.net@[192.168.2.11]>; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:02:00 -0400 To: Richard Lindsay , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , TR3b Mail List References: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:01:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:117 a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=FBHGMhGWAAAA:8 a=rJ_Z_cQTnW_xY7y1qgUA:9 a=nEZ_MDNARgt0QccI:21 a=uywi_1ahY02tuvkF:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=krxXKcDTphbcDW4-9I4A:9 a=kNd_Hke96iLfRT1z:21 a=1uvHzVKz5lg_TFvd:21 a=O09mIvNdoQcTQE3H:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qeprt5rZLuVXg80ncXUA:9 a=JajRQoE8p5WhMLRB:18 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=VEiTNn8F7TgA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=9gvnlMMaQFpL9xblJ6ne:22 MfbDudG3aylsu492+taNskkx6NBbSTI3sFyyOooKXVz6HAIRfUKr+QBF Subject: Re: [Mgs] Interesting discovery From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1666317168521821601== boundary="------------37C7D04B6C4362CFE7DA19B8" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------37C7D04B6C4362CFE7DA19B8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rick, That's not an unusual practice.  Many do that all the time.  My local Brit garage is set up as an MG parts supplier but gets most of his parts from Moss.  The Little British Car company do the same.   When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy Mercury spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - they were both the same engine only branded differently. Cheers On 4/25/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > Hey Friends, > I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant > pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater. > The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over > a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling > discovery. > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net > --------------37C7D04B6C4362CFE7DA19B8 boundary="------------15F31B8E7DAB5533D5FBEC16" --------------15F31B8E7DAB5533D5FBEC16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rick,

That's not an unusual practice.  Many do that all the time.  My local Brit garage is set up as an MG parts supplier but gets most of his parts from Moss.  The Little British Car company do the same.   When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy Mercury spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - they were both the same engine only branded differently.
Cheers



On 4/25/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
Hey Friends,
   I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant
pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater.
The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over
a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling
discovery.

Rick
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Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553C6A0E02 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it1-f175.google.com with SMTP id q19so2722329itk.3 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HwsD6K+rvxLrZhoYIkAKei+adTXjxahc85J8rih+uzM=; b=qd5610LgV1z5hghkTsGsG0iQiHiAQUGgioH8RJetZSSSoae1jcDc1Q31RSrER4Fehx 9wieb2dJRSYKV6ljisTotbI+XDr8HHAD/gy6i5AZgA9JnEjYEjH3aoYWVpbybf7BGYOe i6yuelAHIY47wYymLRK0TY4CfeLFCMxksiJT81jmlY3E1si9OFukFbOLkFAxaRH6Fu1t GGVDMV6N4kxEapLSGzZzdOb4KL/I7OJVUKo3baVKnth8whfKonZlcmXtSAgNY5/+nBz0 abu2MsoGVs0OUohoioOievlNq9PbEfderzY4ZPFqKvLC7ryEudzvJMRwiOoV1LurO/+l W1UQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HwsD6K+rvxLrZhoYIkAKei+adTXjxahc85J8rih+uzM=; b=JEuI+aOeiu2XswZsvVg2NJ8aG0voDprkj2uxvkGiD5mp0zeD1RdLuylB9T0UNsjqls 1+Gp0jjgbmEO0YVstjoLeR8kykiJsRjRG7KSgsV/4dIanZP5afTUe3F3n3xyM9TGJmlE qUB2/KgA9tbbbcFCeIgxGKRddi2ZXoN/t8gwDkK/CAxtAgIXEetR2Ddgr+sshVGKaXhR bjG3iuFCKhs/ANjlIODaVMkgiZCHjROD4RmbP1R6jATXWA6QQNu8Iwkuk3tRq1Ms6YSm yHBUK0uxG+1nxFyX8iyRcvqzadC+VRMTFeTKr98ffiNNqaQWzbeturD0FIZ07B2skXyV 6FSA== TChw7qbjto8u6YqcW/0SvUMEtzhhkJKTCGi+FYo= Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:13:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <9f32da45-bacf-53ce-4292-510fe25e0fd1@bell.net> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:13:15 -0500 To: Barrie Robinson Subject: Re: [Mgs] Interesting discovery From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3837660027978210320== --000000000000a4227a058762205b --000000000000a42278058762205a Makes sense. Just hadn't seen it before. You worked in Borneo? I worked in Brunei. Small world. On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson wrote: > Rick, > > That's not an unusual practice. Many do that all the time. My local Brit > garage is set up as an MG parts supplier but gets most of his parts from > Moss. The Little British Car company do the same. When I sold Evinrude > outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy Mercury spare parts because they > were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - they were both the same engine > only branded differently. > Cheers > > > > On 4/25/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > > Hey Friends, > I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant > pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater. > The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over > a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling > discovery. > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net > > > --000000000000a42278058762205a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Makes sense. Just hadn't seen it before.

You worked in Borneo? I worked in Bru= nei. Small world.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net> wrote:
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Rick,

That's not an unusual practice.=C2=A0 Many do that all the time= .=C2=A0 My local Brit garage is set up as an MG parts supplier but gets most of his parts from Moss.=C2=A0 The Little British Car company d= o the same.=C2=A0=C2=A0 When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borne= o we used to buy Mercury spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - they were both the same engine only branded differently.
Cheers
3D""


On 4/25/2019 5:43 = PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
Hey Friends,
   I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant
pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater.
The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over
a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling
discovery.

Rick
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Not like a local parts supplier that keeps a supply of Moss (or VB) sourced parts for local pick-up... Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:13 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > Makes sense. Just hadn't seen it before. > > You worked in Borneo? I worked in Brunei. Small world. > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson wrote: > >> Rick, >> >> That's not an unusual practice. Many do that all the time. My local >> Brit garage is set up as an MG parts supplier but gets most of his parts >> from Moss. The Little British Car company do the same. When I sold >> Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy Mercury spare parts >> because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - they were both >> the same engine only branded differently. >> Cheers >> >> >> >> On 4/25/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: >> >> Hey Friends, >> I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant >> pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater. >> The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over >> a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling >> discovery. >> >> Rick >> _______________________________________________ >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --0000000000006e219e0587705696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I think it's unusual in that VB is billed as a c= ompetitor to Moss, right? Not like a local parts supplier that keeps a supp= ly of Moss (or VB) sourced parts for local pick-up...

Da= n D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibi= ase.cbintouch.com/


On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6= :13 PM Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mg= s@autox.team.net> wrote:
Makes sense. Just hadn't seen it= before.

You worked in Borneo?= I worked in Brunei. Small world.


<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie R= obinson <barrob@bel= l.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Rick,

That's not an unusual practice.=C2=A0 Many do that all the time= .=C2=A0 My local Brit garage is set up as an MG parts supplier but gets most of his parts from Moss.=C2=A0 The Little British Car company d= o the same.=C2=A0=C2=A0 When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borne= o we used to buy Mercury spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - they were both the same engine only branded differently.
Cheers
3D""


On 4/25/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:
Hey Friends,
   I just received a shipment from Victoria British. Its a TR6 coolant
pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater.
The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over
a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling
discovery.

Rick
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Full normal Moss sticker, logo and all, under the VB stic= ker.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 11:03 AM Larry Colen via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:


Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote on 4/25/19 2:43 PM:
> Hey Friends,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I just received a shipment from Victoria British. I= ts a TR6 coolant
> pipe from the water pump back to the rear of the head, for the heater.=
> The fun bit is that the V.B. 2-792 part number sticker was placed over=
> a Moss 865-080 part number sticker! That's a fun if puzzling
> discovery.
>

Was Moss printed on the sticker? Or was it just the Moss number printed on the sticker?

It could well be that Moss is the importer and VB buys some things
wholesale through them.=C2=A0 There might be some other parts that VB buys =
and sells to Moss.

Is Kelvin still on the list?=C2=A0 He might know what it happening. And if = he
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From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs Cc: Biturbo , TR3b Mail List , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net The MGB workshop manual says to do longest first. MGBs initially had a single circuit, then two, and a shuttle-device that would indicate if one system were leaking. I suppose, and this is just supposition, that the longer lines have the possibility of more air therein, the shorter ones to front disc brakes move more fluid, so our bleeding longest first would be least likely to cause that valve to indicate a leak fault. Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the $55 plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that. > On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: > > On vehicles with independent front and rear brake hydraulic circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run first? That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes first? > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:45:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4450A12AB for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 04:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com (unknown [213.75.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A70A0B2B for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 04:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews27.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.193]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:15:36 +0200 te;BM:NotScanned;FinalVerdict:Clean a=ShNidqeCEQB33TAKUUzslw==:117 a=ShNidqeCEQB33TAKUUzslw==:17 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UNWf5WQ7AAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=aUkZnLtOpufbfAQVfJoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=CX_LArGdbYRLPYzS-xoA:9 a=cUZmaVbkJ7buTY3y:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=TmY6P1tBX-PGzTCW-pm6:22 a=Z5ABNNGmrOfJ6cZ5bIyy:22 a=bWyr8ysk75zN3GCy5bjg:22 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl ([195.121.84.11]) by cpsps-ews27.kpnxchange.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.5.9600.16384); Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:15:36 +0200 h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=8opbcuAsgHRkuacPl80o+zAbecpE89Yua0i+OEFhwM8=; b=F2ufwT7YO3WhlMqSw6UXijzbmVT39cfL/MwsRFMjcMiPLcIvWr66Cr2IgEbeeH38FmTenEyKLj3hf 1/aaI+2//eTUotUjrG1Q34lYu29e8ZmohILwznL6iChAUOKkSpEn24Z1tEMBU1UJYy9JJJ+YEaT3zm tCez49XM+YT980w0= Received: from HLaptopPC (unknown [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTP id 6655360d-68d5-11e9-a65f-00505699b758; Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:15:36 +0200 (CEST) To: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:15:36 +0200 Content-Language: nl Thread-Index: AdT84iFnY8paBW0IRjizSrW7Jkcfog== FILETIME=[2851E090:01D4FCE2] Subject: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6116298752483817853== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0138_01D4FCF2.EBB54E40" Content-Language: nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01D4FCF2.EBB54E40 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it=E2=80=99s quiet here. I=E2=80=99m planning to do an annual service and possibly will sell the GT = after so many years. My wife=E2=80=99s health has made, that she is not able to travel with anym= ore and our son has little to no time anymore. So I have not used the MG hardly last year and expect the same for this yea= r. Pity after almost 30 years with the GT=E2=80=A6 A car should be driven more regularly, than a few times per year. I stick with classic vehicles though, as I=E2=80=99m actively restoring and= riding Puch mopeds from the early 1970=E2=80=99s. This winter I totally restored a 1970 Puch Skyhunter to one like I bought n= ew in 1970. A total nut and bolt job and an engine overhaul replacing clutch and oil se= als. The VIN numbers differ 6 digits only! For those who like to see the results, I can send some pictures. Cheers, Hans =E2=80=9971 GBT NRG Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Charley Robinson via Mg= s Verzonden: dinsdag 23 april 2019 22:00 Aan: mgs@Autox.Team.Net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] So quiet! Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took her out for a spin in the neigh= borhood but she wouldn't pull uphill. Fuel pump volume way down, carbs wou= ld run almost dry on acceleration. A new electronic SU pump took care of t= hat. Gotta rebuild the old points-type for a spare. Then I decided 10 year= old tires were pushing my luck. She's wearing a new set of Coopers now. = She's running like a top. Planned a trip to see this spring's Bluebonnets = around Willow City, TX, but the weather has turned to crud. Waiting for sunny days..... Charley Robinson Kerrville, TX On 4/23/2019 8:32 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: So quiet here! Thought I would make some noise - even with a little MG c= ontent. But first... SNIP So what are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern Hemisphere= =2E You cars coming out of hibernation? Good stories? Rick, in northwest Houston _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.= https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01D4FCF2.EBB54E40 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Yes, it=E2=80=99= s quiet here.

I=E2=80=99m planning to do an annual service and possibly will sell the GT= after so many years.

My wife=E2=80=99s health has made, that she is not able to travel= with anymore and our son has little to no time anymore.<= /p>

So I have not used the MG hardl= y last year and expect the same for this year.

Pity after almost 30 years with the GT=E2= =80=A6

A ca= r should be driven more regularly, than a few times per year.

 <= /p>

I stick with classic vehicles t= hough, as I=E2=80=99m actively restoring and riding Puch mopeds from the ea= rly 1970=E2=80=99s.

This winter I totally restored a 1970 Puch Skyhunter to one like = I bought new in 1970.

A total nut and bolt job and an engine overhaul replacing clutch = and oil seals.

The VIN numbers differ 6 digits only!

For those who like to see the results, I can sen= d some pictures.

 

Ch= eers,

Hans

=E2=80=9971 GBT NRG

 

<= div>

Van: Mgs = [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Charley Robinson via Mgs<= br>Verzonden: dinsdag 23 april 2019 22:00
Aan: mgs@Autox.T= eam.Net
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] So quiet!

 

Serviced my '69 B starting last month. Took her o= ut for a spin in the neighborhood but she wouldn't pull uphill.  Fuel = pump volume way down, carbs would run almost dry on acceleration.  A n= ew electronic SU pump took care of that.  Gotta rebuild the old points= -type for a spare. Then I decided 10 year old tires were pushing my luck.&n= bsp; She's wearing a new set of Coopers now.  She's running like a top= =2E  Planned a trip to see this spring's Bluebonnets around Willow Cit= y, TX, but the weather has turned to crud. 
Waiting for sunny days= =2E....

Charley Robinson
Kerrville, TX

On 4/23/2019 8:32 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote:

   So quiet here! Thought I would make= some noise - even with a little MG content. But first...

 

 SNIP

   So what = are you working on? Spring has sprung in the Northern Hemisphere. You cars = coming out of hibernation? Good stories?

 

Rick, in = northwest Houston 

 

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>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mine does indicate such a fault, a= s it leaks right through the $55
> plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that.=C2=A0

Mine too, Bob! Exactly the same.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:33 AM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The MGB workshop manual says to do longe= st first. MGBs initially had a single circuit, then two, and a shuttle-devi= ce that would indicate if one system were leaking.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I suppose, and this is just supposition, that the longer lines= have the possibility of more air therein, the shorter ones to front disc b= rakes move more fluid, so our bleeding longest first would be least likely = to cause that valve to indicate a leak fault.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the= $55 plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that.

> On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.tea= m.net> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On vehicles with independent front and rear brake h= ydraulic circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run firs= t? That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes first?
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On vehicles with independent front and rear= brake hydraulic circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe = run first? That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes first?
Rick
--000000000000fc934605876ec57a-- --===============3160075582842577380== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3160075582842577380==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:45:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA74A15C3 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2019 11:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DE1A0F26 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id K19QhPtMWkdLIK19Rhm2ND; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:44:29 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=ZytwEtMu3kCqXLuTxoEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=gEiFl8hkFlM8ywU8UugA:9 a=nB80umO-o9T-umc5:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1556286269; bh=jaTCjdg6/CTuI79YIWWbk1rP2KiCWzxBOIkHKeBOsmg=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=CT/KQFeSw4/SAoWk/Woi3v0lyBBPVliHNlm0mx0nr/Jr9T3It/4a8t/YxwDkVUr6v z7NKdPpvLlCdfDpm0hcP7LSuL6TFLiRD39tfJugrSxfKymNHzMZfZsNTC1YFy4YJod +DntNNgXCf8rYJ5+ba51A0ThzydjelPlN0aHJWsgFPuAfdW3icR2br/cXih+crKD8a E2BPMVzoPXx/c+b0pvfethKorvkyqlDOLHxp98OQ5OhVCt8HfTNMfZPHsMK7HZtCTL 4/7sjGUN1mEKCPbmt9UY4UzybGc032ekx5buJBYJhumIsHILNpX21GycbB6ob5a5q9 p6UOL4tiszh6w== To: "Richard Lindsay" , , "TR3b Mail List" , "Biturbo" References: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:42:25 +0100 F49iv9dbPdMLITzkXdpYcZLmMxMTi+XpfqShjdPQGfdzDn5nWkHcG6Hd7ID3N99ooa3R6dkUvHnJKSIK31Nut1wCk5MH6Agp4kIwD8e+vE5XIWchhkUCXJAN S5Z7dQO7j5M36TYGcHhzKTZ+Y2ePsg1hViI0S0AkDGQ= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question... From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5578614919282559498== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01D4FC3E.43B6C390" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01D4FC3E.43B6C390 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't see that it does as by the time you get to the pistons they are = completely separate circuits, however perhaps one should still bleed the = longest front circuit first (the difference between the rears is = probably only a few inches in several feet). I can't really see why it = has to be done anyway. Some places talk about air bubbles passing the = shortest circuit when bleeding the longest, so if the shortest has = already been done it could leave bubbles in there. But that can happen = regardless of which you are doing, and once you have bled the first = circuit (longest or shortest) there shouldn't be any bubbles in that = circuit. It's perhaps more relevant to stop-start bleeding with the = pedal where fluid and hence bubbles could be moving back and fore, less = so with continuous pressure such as EeziBleed.=20 I've never done it, but I'd imagine pedal bleeding is a bit of a pain on = a dual circuit as a 'good' circuit i.e. no air should be limiting how = far the pedal can move when bleeding the one with air in. There is also the question of the balance switch. I understand that on = the earlier unboosted system the switch will always be tripped, and = careful re-bleeding of first one circuit then another may be needed to = centralise it again. With the boosted system the switch can be = partially unscrewed to stop it latching. But then again will = low-pressure bleeding such as with an EeziBleed on just a few psi be = enough to cause the shuttle to move anyway? PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 On vehicles with independent front and rear brake hydraulic = circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run first? = That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes first? ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01D4FC3E.43B6C390 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I can't see that it does as by the time you get to = the pistons=20 they are completely separate circuits, however perhaps one should = still=20 bleed the longest front circuit first (the difference between the = rears is=20 probably only a few inches in several feet).  I can't really = see why=20 it has to be done anyway.  Some places talk about air bubbles = passing the=20 shortest circuit when bleeding the longest, so if the shortest has = already been=20 done it could leave bubbles in there.  But that can happen = regardless of=20 which you are doing, and once you have bled the first circuit (longest = or=20 shortest) there shouldn't be any bubbles in that circuit.  It's = perhaps=20 more relevant to stop-start bleeding with the pedal where fluid and = hence=20 bubbles could be moving back and fore, less so with continuous pressure = such as=20 EeziBleed. 
 
I've never done it, but I'd imagine pedal bleeding = is a bit of=20 a pain on a dual circuit as a 'good' circuit i.e. no = air should=20 be limiting how far the pedal can move when bleeding the one with = air=20 in.
 
There is also the question of the balance switch. I = understand=20 that on the earlier unboosted system the switch will always be tripped, = and=20 careful re-bleeding of first one circuit then another may be needed to=20 centralise it again.  With the boosted system the switch can be = partially=20 unscrewed to stop it latching.  But then again will low-pressure = bleeding=20 such as with an EeziBleed on just a few psi be enough to cause the = shuttle to=20 move anyway?
 
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----

    On vehicles with independent front and = rear brake=20 hydraulic circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe = run first?=20 That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes=20 first?
------=_NextPart_000_009A_01D4FC3E.43B6C390-- --===============5578614919282559498== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5578614919282559498==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:45:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2C4A0FB4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mtlfep01.bell.net (unknown [184.150.200.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EBFA0DE5 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bell.net mtlfep01 184.150.200.30 by mtlfep01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190426191011.MZGT4947.mtlfep01.bell.net@mtlspm01.bell.net> for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:10:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (really [76.66.122.100]) by mtlspm01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190426191011.PJSB87666.mtlspm01.bell.net@[192.168.2.11]> for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:10:11 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <9f32da45-bacf-53ce-4292-510fe25e0fd1@bell.net> <682853804.997794.1556293696973@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:10:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:117 a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=FBHGMhGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=fGqpVODydh7v1ExdlakA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=DSnXzGrdVIdzSInoYqYA:9 a=P0thHyj2-YwNf0aP:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=9gvnlMMaQFpL9xblJ6ne:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Eca84GxPxYQgwhDRAjPhhqBWrCn7EEFZGgK3784GQnCieN1reHEUMmW6 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Interesting discovery From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7716670438063593987== boundary="------------CEBB34235A73282F844CD403" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CEBB34235A73282F844CD403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You see what happens when you get old !!!  Of course it was Johnson  - how the heck did I get onto Evinrude ??? Barrie - from Borneo days On 4/26/2019 11:48 AM, David Breneman via Mgs wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson wrote: >>    When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy Mercury >> spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - >> they were both the same engine only branded differently. > Are you sure you don't mean Johnson?  I'm not aware of any commonality > between (former) OMC and Mercury/Mariner. > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net --------------CEBB34235A73282F844CD403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You see what happens when you get old !!!  Of course it was Johnson  - how the heck did I get onto Evinrude ???

Barrie - from Borneo days

On 4/26/2019 11:48 AM, David Breneman via Mgs wrote:
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 5:02 PM Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net> wrote:

   When I sold Evinrude outboard motors in Borneo we used to buy Mercury 
spare parts because they were cheaper than the prestigious Evinrude - 
they were both the same engine only branded differently.

Are you sure you don't mean Johnson?  I'm not aware of any commonality
between (former) OMC and Mercury/Mariner.

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Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from torfep02.bell.net (unknown [184.150.200.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE08FA1273; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bell.net torfep02 184.150.200.158 by torfep02.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190429173258.LMGW4684.torfep02.bell.net@torspm02.bell.net>; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:32:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (really [76.66.122.100]) by torspm02.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190429173258.CESO30132.torspm02.bell.net@[192.168.2.11]>; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:32:58 -0400 To: MGB List , MGB V8 List Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:32:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:117 a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:17 a=oexKYjalfGEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=C4EY-8jiiXa5BZF_tDAA:9 a=h4aJbrag4PgLUE8d:21 a=sdzZLP0I4NTAHHI3:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=QqzuuN5VchXzvasJBNcA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 bLzyI8AOkc7HnZwQSk7tvdyVU8ZoKKuqmJg5yZ5IDDgtMRyjw3/J5mpZv9j9Yc9h5zB7yz0gKgbWk6GAee9pZl6G0RZ2pxrTd0s= Subject: [Mgs] Speakers in door panel From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0400823832862599563== boundary="------------2C13439182B3CBDB5E336B93" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2C13439182B3CBDB5E336B93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Folks, I am having difficulty in putting speakers in my 1970 MGB GT.  I know they can be put in the doors but I need some information on how.  Can anyone give me useful details which the blokes doing the install can follow.  I have Prestige UK (I am in Canada) panels an they have map pockets which the install guys do not want to cut. Cheers Barrie --------------2C13439182B3CBDB5E336B93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Folks,

I am having difficulty in putting speakers in my 1970 MGB GT.  I know they can be put in the doors but I need some information on how.  Can anyone give me useful details which the blokes doing the install can follow.  I have Prestige UK (I am in Canada) panels an they have map pockets which the install guys do not want to cut.

Cheers
Barrie
 --------------2C13439182B3CBDB5E336B93-- --===============0400823832862599563== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0400823832862599563==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 14:04:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA25A1436 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f50.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FB0A12C7 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2019 16:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f50.google.com with SMTP id d19so7426453ioc.3 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qxJ0IdAq0pvAq1TjrVfNePCLzuMwtcn8YkYMavx5lTo=; b=q+cUFer28AWREhoRqYjH1NdAFE1WbgU4UM8FY0a/swPCLB9Msfe/JJzLuv0PqcjT8I nhI082VJOyteUfOvozoDMpbObup1IA2fjl1SbK4Z+UL1LtXN10ZFkmC3fDH13iSSgpyq 9deTYdP/Mq+/IFOT5cqbdJWHi1PwTJUSy6yoKWNqvql3s9SeUvrV0pSY6wbjUDwjreWc V0hWTjPogZ8HGpU2+gZQ3BKZ1Q1RFTDZV4Lk3RlrSk/0rQ6+63H3jo6tXl/exvALa2mE R1YUQhTvB4P/IUKWBcAGyFjaymboDFoVWsOCfc59cNrkxIn+8l3wKsKnVWPaDG5TFpnl cRNA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qxJ0IdAq0pvAq1TjrVfNePCLzuMwtcn8YkYMavx5lTo=; b=NizdsknYXdzyUt1dS7b6ExUOVdf1TtXth+Lsn4Qv1O01BZ7hUmMGtGfdrZVNd71I1A aMuelVrXatWueiCN0RLjOEFemM8thTrIcopcfOdbEmil20E0sC6Z9ZfdfX91tPpezm+7 jay5W57HpBzsTIrzRiQlHylc92+XKF1XagROOHkKAS2PFLlE/C8ls25LuKqVcXsZ/fIa 9DQ9cmAzRsUBP01mUH1AWmQ+JEyHHQM2BWfMkXskKJByMJ4HeooxrGDK7N1xz7wOZtC2 Ch5MRonoTT9KF8dWAmE+zuECQHNPApm5XuwTVWQmEktCQ+A+V7tG4qFumSKAyh0Ey2ps ix2Q== lRoYscSa5/VU+wM9pLvA2a7s+Mx7qISed0Tr5b8= Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:36:26 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 17:36:14 -0500 To: TR3b Mail List Subject: Re: [Mgs] [tr3a] Help wanted (needed) From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Biturbo Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8002793473479239230== --00000000000056f86505879ecc97 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Failing float bowl valve. On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup.com rcharmoz@axxessgroup.com [tr3a] wrote: > > > Hi Gang, > > I realize that this forum is geared to restorers, but there is so much > knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap into it. > > Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I rebuilt the carbs with all new tin= y > little parts. > > Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until today when I noticed > a strong smell of gasoline while driving. > > > > I got home and checked to find out that the front float chamber was > spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflow tube. > > I took it apart, checked it out and put it back together. Same problem. > > I took out the jet assembly, checked it out and put it back together. Sam= e > problem. > > > > Now, the only things that are different are the part substitutions > recommended by Moss. > > On the float chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly. > > On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that substitute for the > tiny cork washers. I've kept the large one. > > > > It acts as though the fuel flow to the carb is obstructed somewhere. The > front float chamber fills up and the gasoline just *pours* out of the > secondary tube. > > > > Since the car starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up to > speed) while all this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at least > the rear carb, and likely the front carb as well. > > > > Wassup??????? I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80=A6 > > > > Remy > > > > *From:* tr3a@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr3a@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2019 12:00 PM > *To:* Bob Howard > *Cc:* mgs@autox.team.net List ; TR3b Mail List < > tr3a@yahoogroups.com>; Biturbo > *Subject:* [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question... > > > > > > > Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the $55 > > > plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that. > > > > Mine too, Bob! Exactly the same. > > > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:33 AM Robert's New iPad wrote: > > The MGB workshop manual says to do longest first. MGBs initially had a > single circuit, then two, and a shuttle-device that would indicate if one > system were leaking. > I suppose, and this is just supposition, that the longer lines have th= e > possibility of more air therein, the shorter ones to front disc brakes mo= ve > more fluid, so our bleeding longest first would be least likely to cause > that valve to indicate a leak fault. > Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the $55 > plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that. > > > On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs > wrote: > > > > On vehicles with independent front and rear brake hydraulic > circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run first? 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Failing float bowl valve.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rc= harmoz axxessgroup.com rcharmoz@axxessgroup.com [tr3a] <tr3a@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi Gang,

I realize that this forum is geared t= o restorers, but there is so much knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd= tap into it.

Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when = I rebuilt the carbs with all new tiny little parts.

Everything went smoothly and the car = ran great until today when I noticed a strong smell of gasoline while drivi= ng.

=C2=A0

I got home and checked to find out th= at the front float chamber was spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflo= w tube.

I took it apart, checked it out and p= ut it back together. Same problem.

I took out the jet assembly, checked = it out and put it back together. Same problem.

=C2=A0

Now, the only things that are differe= nt are the part substitutions recommended by Moss.

On the float chamber it is the lower = mounting bolt assembly.

On the jet assembly, it is the rubber= 'O' rings that substitute for the tiny cork washers. I've kept= the large one.

=C2=A0

It acts as though the fuel flow to th= e carb is obstructed somewhere. The front float chamber fills up and the ga= soline just pours out of the secondary tube.

=C2=A0

Since the car starts and drives (sput= tering a bit until it gets up to speed) while all this is happening, I assu= me fuel is getting to at least the rear carb, and likely the front carb as well.

=C2=A0

Wassup??????? I almost bought the far= m on this one=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Remy

=C2=A0

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Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question...<= /span>

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>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mine does indicate such a fau= lt, as it leaks right through the $55

> plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing= that.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Mine too, Bob! Exactly the same.

=C2=A0

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:33 AM Robert's New iPad = <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The MGB workshop manual says to do long= est first. MGBs initially had a single circuit, then two, and a shuttle-dev= ice that would indicate if one system were leaking.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I suppose, and this is just supposition, that the longer lines= have the possibility of more air therein, the shorter ones to front disc b= rakes move more fluid, so our bleeding longest first would be least likely = to cause that valve to indicate a leak fault.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the= $55 plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that.

> On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.tea= m.net> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On vehicles with independent front and rear brake h= ydraulic circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run firs= t? That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes first?
>
> Rick
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It sounds like the float valve is stuck ope= n. =20 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 28, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs w= rote: >=20 > Failing float bowl valve. >=20 >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup.com rcharmoz@axxessgro= up.com [tr3a] wrote: >> Hi Gang, >>=20 >> I realize that this forum is geared to restorers, but there is so much kn= owledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap into it. >>=20 >> Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I rebuilt the carbs with all new tin= y little parts. >>=20 >> Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until today when I noticed= a strong smell of gasoline while driving. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> I got home and checked to find out that the front float chamber was spewi= ng (big time) gasoline from its overflow tube. >>=20 >> I took it apart, checked it out and put it back together. Same problem. >>=20 >> I took out the jet assembly, checked it out and put it back together. Sam= e problem. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Now, the only things that are different are the part substitutions recomm= ended by Moss. >>=20 >> On the float chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly. >>=20 >> On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that substitute for the t= iny cork washers. I've kept the large one. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> It acts as though the fuel flow to the carb is obstructed somewhere. The f= ront float chamber fills up and the gasoline just pours out of the secondary= tube. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Since the car starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up to spe= ed) while all this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at least the re= ar carb, and likely the front carb as well. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Wassup??????? I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Remy >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: tr3a@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr3a@yahoogroups.com]=20 >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:00 PM >> To: Bob Howard >> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net List ; TR3b Mail List ; Biturbo >> Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question... >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> > Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the $55 >>=20 >> > plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Mine too, Bob! Exactly the same. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:33 AM Robert's New iPad wrote:= >>=20 >> The MGB workshop manual says to do longest first. MGBs initially had a= single circuit, then two, and a shuttle-device that would indicate if one s= ystem were leaking. =20 >> I suppose, and this is just supposition, that the longer lines have th= e possibility of more air therein, the shorter ones to front disc brakes mov= e more fluid, so our bleeding longest first would be least likely to cause t= hat valve to indicate a leak fault. >> Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the $55 pla= stic switch, the inside fender paint showing that.=20 >>=20 >> > On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs wrote: >> >=20 >> > On vehicles with independent front and rear brake hydraulic circuit= s, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run first? That is, does i= t matter if one bleeds the front brakes first? >> >=20 >> > Rick >> > _______________________________________________ >> >=20 >> > Mgs@autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >=20 >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs >> >=20 >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com= >>=20 >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: rcharmoz axxessgroup.com >> Reply via web post =E2=80=A2 Reply to sender =E2=80=A2= Reply to group =E2=80=A2 Start a New Topic =E2=80=A2 Mes= sages in this topic (1) >>=20 >> Have you tried the highest rated email app? >> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email a= pp on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inbo= xes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. 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Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2= 8, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Failing float bowl valve.
On Sun, Ap= r 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup.= com rcharmoz@axxessgroup.com= [tr3a] <tr3a@yahoogroups.com= > wrote:
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Hi Gang,

I realize that this forum is geared to r= estorers, but there is so much knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap int= o it.

Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I r= ebuilt the carbs with all new tiny little parts.

Everything went smoothly and the car ra= n great until today when I noticed a strong smell of gasoline while driving.=

 

I got home and checked to find out that= the front float chamber was spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflow t= ube.

I took it apart, checked it out and put= it back together. Same problem.

I took out the jet assembly, checked it= out and put it back together. Same problem.

 

Now, the only things that are different= are the part substitutions recommended by Moss.

On the float chamber it is the lower mo= unting bolt assembly.

On the jet assembly, it is the rubber '= O' rings that substitute for the tiny cork washers. I've kept the large one.=

 

It acts as though the fuel flow to the c= arb is obstructed somewhere. The front float chamber fills up and the gasoli= ne just pours out of the secondary tube.

 

Since the car starts and drives (sputte= ring a bit until it gets up to speed) while all this is happening, I assume f= uel is getting to at least the rear carb, and likely the front carb as well.

 

Wassup??????? I almost bought the farm o= n this one=E2=80=A6

 

Remy

 

From: tr3a@yahoogroups.com [mailto= :tr3a@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:00 PM
To: Bob Howard <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net List <mgs@autox.team.net>; TR3b Ma= il List <tr3a@yahoogroups.com>; Biturbo <BiturboZen= trum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question...

 

 

>    Mine does indicate such a faul= t, as it leaks right through the $55

> plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing t= hat. 

 

Mine too, Bob! Exactly the same.

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 8:33 AM Robert's New iPad <<= a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgbo= bh@gmail.com> wrote:

   The MGB workshop manual says to do longe= st first. MGBs initially had a single circuit, then two, and a shuttle-devic= e that would indicate if one system were leaking. 
   I suppose, and this is just supposition, that the longer lines h= ave the possibility of more air therein, the shorter ones to front disc brak= es move more fluid, so our bleeding longest first would be least likely to c= ause that valve to indicate a leak fault.
   Mine does indicate such a fault, as it leaks right through the $= 55 plastic switch, the inside fender paint showing that.

> On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.= net> wrote:
>
>     On vehicles with independent front and rear brake hy= draulic circuits, is it still advisable to bleed the longest pipe run first?= That is, does it matter if one bleeds the front brakes first?
>
> Rick
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On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:12 PM, John DiFede via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

What model carb do you have??? =   It sounds like the float valve is stuck open.  
Sent from my = iPhone

On Apr 28, = 2019, at 6:36 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Failing float bowl valve.

On Sun, Apr = 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup.com rcharmoz@axxessgroup.com [tr3a] <tr3a@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Gang,

I realize that this forum is geared to restorers, but there = is so much knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap into it.

Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I = rebuilt the carbs with all new tiny little parts.

Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until today = when I noticed a strong smell of gasoline while driving.

 

I got home and checked to find out that the front float = chamber was spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflow tube.

I took it apart, checked it out and put it = back together. Same problem.

I took out the jet assembly, checked it out and put it back = together. Same problem.

 

Now, the only = things that are different are the part substitutions recommended by = Moss.

On the float = chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly.

On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that = substitute for the tiny cork washers. I've kept the large one.

 

It acts as though the fuel flow to the carb is obstructed = somewhere. The front float chamber fills up and the gasoline just pours out of the secondary = tube.

 

Since the car = starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up to speed) while all = this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at least the rear carb, = and likely the front carb as well.

 

Wassup??????? = I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80=A6

 

Remy

 

From: tr3a@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr3a@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 = 12:00 PM
To: Bob Howard <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net List <mgs@autox.team.net>; TR3b Mail List <tr3a@yahoogroups.com>; Biturbo <BiturboZentrum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding = brakes question...

=

= --Apple-Mail=_0351B967-1B5E-44F2-AC6A-695D77BBD1CF-- --===============6629023257567653446== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6629023257567653446==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 15:02:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF36A15A5 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:02:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF11A1360 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (172-223-195-067.dhcp.chtrptr.net [172.223.195.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x3TL1hOw025401 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:01:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:01:41 -0700 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <57106391-927F-44E9-9BE1-6C98E55DBED2@gmail.com> To: Max Heim , Max Heim via Mgs , "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [tr3a] Help wanted (needed) From: lrc--- via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4114105823084352325== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------3PLZT7ZXO3VJFS6XGL627VYNZK0GA5 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've screwed up the float adjustment before and had that problem On April 29, 2019 1:51:19 PM PDT, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >Float sunk, or debris lodged in the valve=2E This last has happened to me >on more than one occasion, requiring a roadside repair=2E It should not >happen with an inline filter and new rubber fuel lines=2E > >-- >Max Heim >mvheim@sonic=2Enet > > > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:12 PM, John DiFede via Mgs >wrote: >>=20 >> What model carb do you have??? It sounds like the float valve is >stuck open=2E =20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Apr 28, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs >>=20 >>> Failing float bowl valve=2E >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup=2Ecom > rcharmoz@axxessgroup=2Ecom >>>=20 >>> Hi Gang, >>>=20 >>> I realize that this forum is geared to restorers, but there is so >much knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap into it=2E >>>=20 >>> Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I rebuilt the carbs with all >new tiny little parts=2E >>>=20 >>> Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until today when I >noticed a strong smell of gasoline while driving=2E >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> I got home and checked to find out that the front float chamber was >spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflow tube=2E >>>=20 >>> I took it apart, checked it out and put it back together=2E Same >problem=2E >>>=20 >>> I took out the jet assembly, checked it out and put it back >together=2E Same problem=2E >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Now, the only things that are different are the part substitutions >recommended by Moss=2E >>>=20 >>> On the float chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly=2E >>>=20 >>> On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that substitute for >the tiny cork washers=2E I've kept the large one=2E >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> It acts as though the fuel flow to the carb is obstructed somewhere=2E >The front float chamber fills up and the gasoline just pours out of the >secondary tube=2E >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Since the car starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up >to speed) while all this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at >least the rear carb, and likely the front carb as well=2E >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Wassup??????? I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Remy >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:00 PM >>> Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question=2E=2E=2E >>>=20 >>>=20 --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------3PLZT7ZXO3VJFS6XGL627VYNZK0GA5 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've screwed up th= e float adjustment before and had that problem

On April 29, 2019 1:51:19 PM PDT, Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox=2Ete= am=2Enet> wrote:
Float sunk, or debris lodged in the valve=2E This last has happened to me = on more than one occasion, requiring a roadside repair=2E It should not hap= pen with an inline filter and new rubber fuel lines=2E

--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic=2Enet



O= n Apr 29, 2019, at 1:12 PM, John DiFede via Mgs <mgs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> wrote:
What model carb do you have???   It sounds like the float val= ve is stuck open=2E  

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2019, at 6:36 PM,= Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet> wrote:

<= /div>
=
Failing float bowl= valve=2E

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup=2Ecom rcharmoz@axxe= ssgroup=2Ecom [tr3a] = <tr3a@yahoogroups= =2Ecom> wrote:

Hi Gang,

I realize that = this forum is geared to restorers, but there is so much knowledge to be sha= red, I thought I'd tap into it=2E

Rewind to a couple = of weeks ago when I rebuilt the carbs with all new tiny little parts=2E

Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until tod= ay when I noticed a strong smell of gasoline while driving=2E=

 

I got home and checked to find out th= at the front float chamber was spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflo= w tube=2E

I took it apart, checked it out and put it = back together=2E Same problem=2E=

I took out the jet a= ssembly, checked it out and put it back together=2E Same problem=2E

 

Now, the only things that are= different are the part substitutions recommended by Moss=2E<= /u>

On the float chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly=2E

On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that subs= titute for the tiny cork washers=2E I've kept the large one=2E

 

It acts as though the fuel flow to t= he carb is obstructed somewhere=2E The front float chamber fills up and the= gasoline just pours out of th= e secondary tube=2E

 

Sin= ce the car starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up to speed) w= hile all this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at least the rear c= arb, and likely the front carb as well=2E

 

Wassup??????? I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80= =A6

 =

Remy

 

From: tr3a@yahoogroups=2Ecom [mailto:tr3a@yahoogroup= s=2Ecom] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:00 PM
To: Bob Howard <mgbo= bh@gmail=2Ecom>
Cc: mgs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet=  List <= mgs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet>; TR3b Mail List <tr3a@yaho= ogroups=2Ecom>; Biturbo <BiturboZentrum@= yahoogroups=2Ecom>
Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes = question=2E=2E=2E



--
Sent from my Android device with = K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------3PLZT7ZXO3VJFS6XGL627VYNZK0GA5-- --===============4114105823084352325== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4114105823084352325==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 15:10:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEDBA0B33 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EFEA14C3 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x3TL9GZK008478 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:09:16 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:09:16 -0700 References: <57106391-927F-44E9-9BE1-6C98E55DBED2@gmail.com> <15521DCD-F2BD-46D8-AB7B-D5CE869AB1D4@red4est.com> To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Subject: Re: [Mgs] [tr3a] Help wanted (needed) From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1607018026019136136== boundary="Apple-Mail=_269B3CD0-F4A5-4C8D-9546-DA42C0BDB5FA" --Apple-Mail=_269B3CD0-F4A5-4C8D-9546-DA42C0BDB5FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 True=E2=80=A6 I shouldn=E2=80=99t assume that the carb work had been = done correctly. Although one would think this would have been apparent = immediately. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Apr 29, 2019, at 2:01 PM, lrc@red4est.com wrote: >=20 > I've screwed up the float adjustment before and had that problem >=20 > On April 29, 2019 1:51:19 PM PDT, Max Heim via Mgs = wrote: > Float sunk, or debris lodged in the valve. This last has happened to = me on more than one occasion, requiring a roadside repair. It should not = happen with an inline filter and new rubber fuel lines. >=20 > -- > Max Heim >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:12 PM, John DiFede via Mgs >=20 >> What model carb do you have??? It sounds like the float valve is = stuck open. =20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Apr 28, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs = >>=20 >>> Failing float bowl valve. >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup.com = rcharmoz@axxessgroup.com = >>>=20 >>> Hi Gang, >>>=20 >>> I realize that this forum is geared to restorers, but there is so = much knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap into it. >>>=20 >>> Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I rebuilt the carbs with all = new tiny little parts. >>>=20 >>> Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until today when I = noticed a strong smell of gasoline while driving. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> I got home and checked to find out that the front float chamber was = spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflow tube. >>>=20 >>> I took it apart, checked it out and put it back together. Same = problem. >>>=20 >>> I took out the jet assembly, checked it out and put it back = together. Same problem. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Now, the only things that are different are the part substitutions = recommended by Moss. >>>=20 >>> On the float chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly. >>>=20 >>> On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that substitute for = the tiny cork washers. I've kept the large one. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> It acts as though the fuel flow to the carb is obstructed somewhere. = The front float chamber fills up and the gasoline just pours out of the = secondary tube. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Since the car starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up = to speed) while all this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at = least the rear carb, and likely the front carb as well. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Wassup??????? I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Remy >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:00 PM >>> Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding brakes question... >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. --Apple-Mail=_269B3CD0-F4A5-4C8D-9546-DA42C0BDB5FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 True=E2=80=A6 I shouldn=E2=80=99t assume that the carb work = had been done correctly. Although one would think this would have been = apparent immediately.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Apr 29, 2019, at 2:01 PM, lrc@red4est.com wrote:

I've screwed = up the float adjustment before and had that problem

On April 29, 2019 1:51:19 PM PDT, = Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Float sunk, or debris lodged in the valve. This last has happened to me = on more than one occasion, requiring a roadside repair. It should not = happen with an inline filter and new rubber fuel lines.
--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net



On Apr 29, 2019, at 1:12 PM, John DiFede via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

What model carb do you have??? =   It sounds like the float valve is stuck open.  
Sent from my = iPhone

On Apr 28, = 2019, at 6:36 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Failing float bowl valve.

On Sun, Apr = 28, 2019, 5:29 PM rcharmoz axxessgroup.com rcharmoz@axxessgroup.com [tr3a] <tr3a@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Gang,

I realize that this forum is geared to restorers, but there = is so much knowledge to be shared, I thought I'd tap into it.

Rewind to a couple of weeks ago when I = rebuilt the carbs with all new tiny little parts.

Everything went smoothly and the car ran great until today = when I noticed a strong smell of gasoline while driving.

 

I got home and checked to find out that the front float = chamber was spewing (big time) gasoline from its overflow tube.

I took it apart, checked it out and put it = back together. Same problem.

I took out the jet assembly, checked it out and put it back = together. Same problem.

 

Now, the only = things that are different are the part substitutions recommended by = Moss.

On the float = chamber it is the lower mounting bolt assembly.

On the jet assembly, it is the rubber 'O' rings that = substitute for the tiny cork washers. I've kept the large one.

 

It acts as though the fuel flow to the carb is obstructed = somewhere. The front float chamber fills up and the gasoline just pours out of the secondary = tube.

 

Since the car = starts and drives (sputtering a bit until it gets up to speed) while all = this is happening, I assume fuel is getting to at least the rear carb, = and likely the front carb as well.

 

Wassup??????? = I almost bought the farm on this one=E2=80=A6

 

Remy

 

From: tr3a@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr3a@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 = 12:00 PM
To: Bob Howard <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Cc: mgs@autox.team.net List <mgs@autox.team.net>; TR3b Mail List <tr3a@yahoogroups.com>; Biturbo <BiturboZentrum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [tr3a] Re: [Mgs] Bleeding = brakes question...

=


--
Sent = from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my = brevity.

= --Apple-Mail=_269B3CD0-F4A5-4C8D-9546-DA42C0BDB5FA-- --===============1607018026019136136== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1607018026019136136==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 01:21:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C27CA15FF for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 01:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A0EA06E3 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 01:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id LN4phLvSzVLWULN4phTm4d; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:21:20 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=vheZEuzRNmR-SGIxdYQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=72EyL1JRAD6dD2K9A2UA:9 a=LFE0y2bISOVZRAYA:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1556608880; bh=FXOXp6dbKVzJGYOxu4WUFVVdF5Oyi0QtmS9Z9Z2z6lU=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=AJ+Lk/bnfWFpcT1CYdQjYajW8eNV8LcOdES+12rEypHCcgLuxj7VTCUFgq2VE9vVv 1LMYb2nkDGjxCNZRoJ538Xk+yaOgdr7sYFdpyqEGcG7DN/FGNja+ComwUtE9YFqhTX jzcr7DNy9mjT1OO33/5YgEblJtmm3AQdZIJm1ScocW+w0B/deBC4Dw/uz+GSFMBJnf ZZo1HU59NhoQAQaDetCfyJHqMXInJWaA8udCnmj3qCjFEQbAibCGS3i+uKmhyxIqxO c9EDbVhuGnBf8Lq3ok/hQNS1Y28OTksxv1wAptfF5CaShiFfz2BepnpFn4of7rhZUB z5UXYEHSi8iuQ== To: "Max Heim" , References: <57106391-927F-44E9-9BE1-6C98E55DBED2@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:21:04 +0100 TVjoB3CSm1Zkfamycjkam5jM8NLINNQPALhH8Uq4U9qJEHCEeo7R6BlMzC473rhKIjZwhzH9CFTz8A== Subject: Re: [Mgs] [tr3a] Help wanted (needed) From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============9171285924200693446== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01D4FF2D.A6FF08D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01D4FF2D.A6FF08D0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree it shouldn't, but someone over here used Gates Barrier hoses = that were fractionally smaller than the ports on his filter and carbs = and forcing them on shredded the inner layer which blocked the filter = and prevented the float valve from closing. Obvious from additional = bits in the bottom of the float chamber (lid if HIF). Hunt's Fifth Law: "Many break-downs occur soon after a car has been worked on; 'new' parts = can be faulty when you receive them; 'new' parts will sometimes fail = soon after fitting; 'new' parts almost certainly won't last as long as = the originals." PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 Float sunk, or debris lodged in the valve. This last has happened to = me on more than one occasion, requiring a roadside repair. It should not = happen with an inline filter and new rubber fuel lines. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01D4FF2D.A6FF08D0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I agree it shouldn't, but someone over here used = Gates Barrier=20 hoses that were fractionally smaller than the ports on his filter and = carbs and=20 forcing them on shredded the inner layer which blocked the filter and = prevented=20 the float valve from closing.  Obvious from additional bits in the = bottom=20 of the float chamber (lid if HIF).
 
Hunt's Fifth Law:
 
"Many break-downs occur soon after a car has been = worked on;=20 'new' parts can be faulty when you receive them; 'new' parts will = sometimes fail=20 soon after fitting; 'new' parts almost certainly won't last as long as = the=20 originals."
 
PaulH.
 
 
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Float sunk, or debris lodged in = the valve.=20 This last has happened to me on more than one occasion, requiring a = roadside=20 repair. It should not happen with an inline filter and new rubber fuel = lines. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01D4FF2D.A6FF08D0-- --===============9171285924200693446== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9171285924200693446==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 01:51:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741F9A16CB for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 01:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BE5A074C for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 01:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id LNXChM1t9VLWULNXChTnWK; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:50:38 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=zqXZGoOgxeAhqzAJ4R0A:9 a=hJw3RNeIMy48VQd6:21 a=IumkUDGe6WhlR9LO:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GJq_78LxxcqQA_koKv8A:9 a=WpASnpleitXTx_FN:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1556610638; bh=GW62+RSnK+4bTVKJbZD27nozDtObZw+nlsGb3NLQCxI=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=T4hDKnV2++PDZ9WUzhSgP1HIDLfwMd3VK7bmB1XcUC/hrDQkq5xUAdK/emckg4fhN Rd4ghpH/5Z1AHCs5XXDXcIOv9dbvJxMf/ss+Uf5VgoqrECrbiGb/+n6t04Nn8vj1ch lWyOdKXH6aUTzebd20S4MHsMzmHwGCneUGMQetguyycrln8QYyM9q8hCfuuwDojUka eP8KpEWEcuartmomh9e6anJqhlM4HOlOKzkHgWbW375nZ/TIq/8KNsvQelcFA9Z3bS xaFZAsrDKi8RHIqFISdYNRmx1vNtBjLZUihn2IkRTIH+8IitTLI9l4237vsamGtpNI ZUKipi+j3fYzQ== To: "MGB List" , "MGB V8 List" , "Barrie Robinson" References: <32e3eabc-e7d5-f379-06f1-2aa319f93660@bell.net> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:32:11 +0100 qh/XrB1QPsxbQHvKWn8ARKdifvl50eeKhfYdqxTQEeEjE6Cju7geSW82I3ryE/02sKhYalR13m81OjxTHWspB2ElqP3UZZqTY7LXokDGn786b4lJlwwq6+a7 Subject: Re: [Mgs] [Mgb-v8] Speakers in door panel From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============9157971853270132856== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01D4FF2F.34AE2200" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01D4FF2F.34AE2200 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not entirely sure I under stand the problem. If they are flush mount = you have to find somewhere on the door where they can be recessed = without fouling anything, then transfer that over to the panel. If you = cut that from the back you should be able to leave a pocket unaffected. = If they are surface mount then lower front is probably the only suitable = area, which may be where any pockets are. But map pockets are usually = in the footwell liners. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 I am having difficulty in putting speakers in my 1970 MGB GT. I know = they can be put in the doors but I need some information on how. Can = anyone give me useful details which the blokes doing the install can = follow. I have Prestige UK (I am in Canada) panels an they have map = pockets which the install guys do not want to cut. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01D4FF2F.34AE2200 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Not entirely sure I under stand the problem.  = If they are=20 flush mount you have to find somewhere on the door where they can be = recessed=20 without fouling anything, then transfer that over to the panel.  If = you cut=20 that from the back you should be able to leave a pocket = unaffected. =20 If they are surface mount then lower front is probably the only suitable = area,=20 which may be where any pockets are.  But map pockets are usually in = the=20 footwell liners.
 
PaulH.
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I am having difficulty in putting = speakers in my=20 1970 MGB GT.  I know they can be put in the doors but I need some = information on how.  Can anyone give me useful details which the = blokes=20 doing the install can follow.  I have Prestige UK (I am in = Canada) panels=20 an they have map pockets which the install guys do not want to=20 cut.
 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01D4FF2F.34AE2200-- --===============9157971853270132856== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9157971853270132856==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 11:12:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0B8A17AD for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BF8A18B0 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TR3A ([66.25.47.235]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id LWHQhX6auZpdJLWHRhDgOw; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:10:57 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:10:56 -0500 Thread-Index: AdT/d4ImqGKIOEqOTBe6ugaeZvQxcA== Content-Language: en-us w/FkHmBXRuR6H0CoXnJxqljpiG9YRfO3W/Y= Subject: [Mgs] mga radiator From: dave via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8020547566128732516== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4FF4D.C45CAE80" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4FF4D.C45CAE80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently I'm in the market for a new radiator. Shop says mine needs a new core at $400+ Any recommendations? I'm thinking that in Dallas it makes sense to cross that original line and get an aluminum one, but I do have an electric fan so should be ok either way ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4FF4D.C45CAE80 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Apparently I’m in the market for a new = radiator.  Shop says mine needs a new core at = $400+

 

Any recommendations?  I’m thinking that in = Dallas it makes sense to cross that original line and get an aluminum = one, but I do have an electric fan so should be ok either = way

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D4FF4D.C45CAE80-- --===============8020547566128732516== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8020547566128732516==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 14:33:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB04A1A6B for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DDCA1A58 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id LZRKh7RcGP088LZRMhUZoq; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:33:25 +0000 To: James Schulte , "Mgs@autox.team.net" References: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:33:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Content-Language: en-US OuWltYnT8/CiLM0PsD4ncbPOYR55yY8wJhhge0JIoZPk0bwIbhQJEtInsPVtEOCifta+V5wTLo5sdA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] links not working From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5416287729351491099== boundary="------------1CBA18FA9E570A70FDACFD13" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1CBA18FA9E570A70FDACFD13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I made my donation through the cut & paste of the URL in PP. Then somehow I was unsubscribed from the list.  Had to go in and resubscribe.  I had 20+ yrs as a member but now I'm a newbie. =-O CR On 4/28/2019 6:51 AM, James Schulte via Mgs wrote: > > Tried to donate via PayPal but no button to start it showed on my > Samsung S10e. I will try my laptop. > Jim > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10e, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------1CBA18FA9E570A70FDACFD13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I made my donation through the cut & paste of the URL in PP.  Then somehow I was unsubscribed from the list.  Had to go in and resubscribe.  I had 20+ yrs as a member but now I'm a newbie. =-O

CR

On 4/28/2019 6:51 AM, James Schulte via Mgs wrote:

Tried to donate via PayPal but no button to start it showed on my Samsung S10e. I will try my laptop.
Jim


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