From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 09:50:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BD5A0729 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from sonic301-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (unknown [74.6.129.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C30A05E2 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:50:07 -0600 (MDT) t=1562341807; bh=IJPQ3SNawX5jBNO0+nNarIGeX1qgYAv9Xalf3a/Gt0w=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=DKx4zmfJ4My9vCev0DmgYVs/T65VxEyf7jf4JbzIbDW2OBv86tyLVmKD98oPPJRmeDbo+/9T13TJpMV6jAfYTaAjebAJo81JCUuoPeUm0eCyWZCLeybsWiHZy2ET7a6Gssrrousp4tmYe+tytXIwhTnncFpidyh51HM8LOw03MBO1O0tYQYjVSYa7dqeTo3dHpeylNkOjRHNxj7wsU1qf6gXMA8PEqs2pR1HOGPsN0cDQz2+oyLm0TU2Fr1k2Erb1Fluzd/N3j+y+UBn82i2wpSPJSjwjWEjJwMSjjW2Uc9kfcXWAZgWIlADFMJAwLrlWvnwkeykTBAgDNLsypEydw== 8X4N2CdtMGa0xErGyR1J5C2grmPvCAhpyEAQ1YdYCPu1osVQtMHfTS_0rV54hcgsBnx2QA1U69GH Ztujme8HwRImnEYpiVx6omnNy3UrqQxFs23xbPWqpMuvrQrFsG7OBeprHn_Xf7nPy5hrss16tDaA Jwy__d03fKTAmfshmDkf3vFLmL92K9M3qKvYRTpFB_3G3jvu8EFH4qJgUXA0CPsObsbYUo3BOXZR 8pTdryBtWHwN_Iy3IiR6YoasEmV4832m2TzbOX4VFXTHHYllH7GRLMtlB7XWGXll.mkewdogRuDW YI1BAImLuI37YealWzrn2oTM7fh9Kv1ZBWDWwxnvd_wSZq4XjI0Yyu1MrUh5ncWy5f6agR7Z.NtL Et_l2bGpHGiesruOPj_4LiO6fRXXs.Q4_JFSwPHaRLEHyQtKT6tldv7EE28yiRmgZTLm4CnX0JGe c0qvWSKlKjjbOdXCXpHbkKTO.aIkhCvvFEnlWojM9tfBfNvX.UskvSt2e6J036n_hgs2GeFXDX_C Cc_xc7KzRAB0427ZhrdOETs4.2KDXQW0CjCKl6DQ8snE2WyA2WO9tw8Qwf21.V6nYh7h0Rp3DOK1 OiCFPLnyjQlS.QbY6KQxUEN8Ynpgrcn08n1Q5ijknOzzDu9v7.k0iBNgPlj5F17shzqBdio0DK2f yNoj0n7XVrq0nFJ04U5gm.DdAEWNPSi6hrgegjyGJ4NQK5vzICyUfHPcqTAYWrcepBIrG8nuQ5_C j5lmpGZ3v3nylnTjn5cZwqLvcOWDtf5AKIwFpID_390FfzZS2TwX4pSouATJ.01rwK7ZpoM1Y9J1 6rv3O3fPuLIQIjZLpgHYiIm0YLK_dX3w.fdTe8TIgZ3yiKWvasN7iB7h7xuKNL8gbsyD_ZkPLvE6 W0.gD.xJjKVH.y80EtwcoHCPFhQeMpsgdwzpDNUVX5Xy1kbrAsSfrB5LqOW0bhjC1VR7QG3IlkxD R6udCk.X4ZTChJqTsPW9vBdEmM_3_TTbeYOSmp8SUtADCWf_gyLwOG7Q.EEVEe5c8mToVvsSGt91 HBVnDWF32z5kd0Hg5p38lVY4vhaHvzDwt7JKiTa04zXhPYnlUvV9s6NkhRGRhY4htkdQAnEEZZ43 EHDUMga7QMwu.Oy6nv6_Yex_3ft8raUFtpffDDLAIHRG1UsdBYondx4Dqt9yteMFyqA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:50:07 +0000 Received: by smtp413.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3b812419ec0abe8f830fb4d83a7c6637; Fri, 05 Jul 2019 15:50:05 +0000 (UTC) To: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 11:50:05 -0400 Importance: Normal Subject: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: FrankK via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0154817188462118046== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D53327.C9644330" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D53327.C9644330 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of = different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I = didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding = ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it = is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol = 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.=20 Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil = say?=20 Frank Krajewski ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D53327.C9644330 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use = of=20 different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these = days. I=20 didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding = ZDDP to oil=20 that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it is = available and=20 I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol 20-50 when = I change=20 the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing = Oil say?=20

Frank Krajewski

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D53327.C9644330-- --===============0154817188462118046== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0154817188462118046==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 10:48:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5438A078F for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB09A05CB for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id j6so20413422ioa.5 for ; Fri, 05 Jul 2019 09:48:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NvvNFbggRJYkmonw6KNYSYEPsILXVCLbvHTXuuEOpX4=; b=i7/b2lco6Sh0R1oCo/PuTcK3z179UlB+9f3ZO8HudMPCgyu6XVGoqpUeM97Ye8HxSB rf+ei7eXjMMwp/dIR5uJqjxRC/7Vsuo8H0wqs5Ab4mfLSYMmGeb17RiL9PPCOO28uWM1 NJIugiFpH/nNzmc/EmB4fCSckh+EnLaUZNyQxXDSZqatQQtC6jDIhPQdUJFgymcnH3RY ER7fVITAlUICYc2lXRSrO8n7OoR63YfUiCFEfdEpKv6BmNnEWeQvpymY/EPumGTZwuu9 0h2/KbPubSHf+YyGGd6/0J8Acj4H9uQJ69TvnS2pAr3hMstH1TjWWLWMyVwdc0M2JFmL BBKA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NvvNFbggRJYkmonw6KNYSYEPsILXVCLbvHTXuuEOpX4=; b=rb0I35OmsUvhSfm+Qig9s8p+edDqQk2VZyGiD06ZOqx1S6+8g3mW93RTZmjiMlwVy7 lC/+A7zPzfVm/UKllYGrTyUuVJmuvTRfWuXSAzF6rbkp6ylJvhtlRKcF5rjH9hLjXZLp MDMDZmwNKYXsBD7qI90bUDS7oJKGvlp7lisZfJve+YuFGxjsOpk71QyPfrMoHbqmuIIu sRCvwpBCk8JeOakCLlcQ98zJ1faWfpdH1tgz2vQUiNMN31mfhR7avWlfPam1VIgklRBT V9KwwZdVuhV9QEgpTYRRs2eTpEKvveD6SxN5iUfYT1GG/REKTU02sYSJ/nuw5daXUAm/ XuAA== IAxoE1MV3fsq09Wka4cB8w734m0chCndWw2C2Nc= Fri, 05 Jul 2019 09:48:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:48:19 -0700 To: FrankK Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1676214959286204821== --000000000000571191058cf1ddb5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How much do you drive your MG Frank. I don't drive any of my old cars enough to worry about it. I use Castrol GTX 20W50 in my cars. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 8:50 AM FrankK via Mgs wrote: > There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of different > oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I didn=E2=80= =99t see > anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is > lacking in it. There are several sources where it is available and I hav= e > availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the > oil in my 80 MGBLE. > Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil > say? > Frank Krajewski > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com > --000000000000571191058cf1ddb5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How much do you drive your MG Frank. I don't drive an= y of my old cars enough to worry=C2=A0about it. I use Castrol GTX 20W50 in = my cars.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 8:50 AM FrankK via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

There was a great deal of=C2=A0 discussion here regarding the use of= =20 different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.=C2=A0 I= =20 didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZD= DP to oil=20 that is lacking in it.=C2=A0 There are several sources where it is availabl= e and=20 I have availed myself of it and added it to my=C2=A0 Castrol 20-50 when I c= hange=20 the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil= say?=20

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--000000000000571191058cf1ddb5-- --===============1676214959286204821== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1676214959286204821==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 16:27:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A891DA07B3 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 16:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146C4A0081 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 16:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id jWeuhMgzZP088jWexhvoyn; Fri, 05 Jul 2019 22:26:27 +0000 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:26:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 Content-Language: en-US uPMPFTT9qVh238j8ceeQtD5njcRu6WazIilXJ35X3T8gYV7se8CchqqP Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0049702874425735891== boundary="------------CC7073D7BF8E4E7A13318A4C" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CC7073D7BF8E4E7A13318A4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have it. CR On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote: > There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of > different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I > didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP > to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it is > available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol > 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. > Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil > say? > Frank Krajewski > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------CC7073D7BF8E4E7A13318A4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote:

There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil say?

Frank Krajewski
_______________________________________________

Mgs@autox.team.net

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive

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--------------CC7073D7BF8E4E7A13318A4C-- --===============0049702874425735891== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0049702874425735891==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 16:41:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE26FA07AB for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 16:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C023A01C3 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 16:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x65Mf3wI017303 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:41:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:41:02 -0700 References: <928d32b4-f121-970b-95e5-5864fc296485@twc.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9035428659097840384== boundary="Apple-Mail=_5BE347C2-AD0F-4B46-87F9-8B569EF1A89D" --Apple-Mail=_5BE347C2-AD0F-4B46-87F9-8B569EF1A89D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while but it was = inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was pointless. Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between = changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional = amount of your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a = regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol 20W50. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that = already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have = it. >=20 > CR >=20 > On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote: >> There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of = different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I = didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding = ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it = is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol = 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. >> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing = Oil say? >> Frank Krajewski --Apple-Mail=_5BE347C2-AD0F-4B46-87F9-8B569EF1A89D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8

I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for = a while but it was inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was = pointless.

Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart = between changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact = proportional amount of your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to = deal with on a regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol = 20W50.

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

=20 =20
Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts = stores have it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote:

There was a great deal of discussion = here regarding the use of different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a = discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in = it. There are several sources where it is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol 20-50 = when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of = using Valvoline Racing Oil say?

Frank = Krajewski

= --Apple-Mail=_5BE347C2-AD0F-4B46-87F9-8B569EF1A89D-- --===============9035428659097840384== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9035428659097840384==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 19:02:56 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9B5A0740 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF90CA05E2 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6612nSF020243 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:02:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:02:48 -0700 References: <928d32b4-f121-970b-95e5-5864fc296485@twc.com> To: FrankK , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0169179944561721641== boundary="Apple-Mail=_B95D823A-3DA8-4A99-8EA4-C7242537FED1" --Apple-Mail=_B95D823A-3DA8-4A99-8EA4-C7242537FED1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal = Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net > On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK wrote: >=20 > Max: I did get some Valvoline Racing Oil (not for street use!) but = after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use I am = questioning its use now. > =20 > From: Max Heim via Mgs <> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM > To: MG List <> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive > =20 > I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while but it was = inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was pointless. > =20 > Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between = changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional = amount of your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a = regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol 20W50. > =20 > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > =20 >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs = > wrote: >> =20 >> Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that = already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have = it. >>=20 >> CR >>=20 >> On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote: >>> There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of = different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I = didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding = ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it = is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol = 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. >>> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing = Oil say? >>> Frank Krajewski >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net --Apple-Mail=_B95D823A-3DA8-4A99-8EA4-C7242537FED1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others = use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

Max: I did get some Valvoline Racing = Oil (not for street=20 use!) but after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use = I am=20 questioning its use now.

From: Max Heim=20 via Mgs

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 = PM

To: MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil = Additive

I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while but = it was inconvenient, and=20 once I found a proper oil it was pointless.

Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a = quart between changes=20 (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional amount of = your=20 additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a regular basis. = There is=20 nothing magical about Castrol 20W50.

--

Max Heim

'66 = MGB

On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs=20= <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Why raise your = cost by adding an=20 additive when there are oils that already have the zinc? I use = VR1; all=20 the local auto parts stores have it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs=20 wrote:

There was a great deal of discussion here = regarding the use of=20 different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these = days. I=20 didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of = adding ZDDP to oil=20 that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it is = available=20 and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol = 20-50 when=20 I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using = Valvoline Racing Oil=20 say?

Frank=20 = Krajewski

_______________________________________________

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To: FrankK , MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4823541808614029894== boundary="Apple-Mail=_C876C8F2-D435-463B-AF20-45F80CCAFA47" --Apple-Mail=_C876C8F2-D435-463B-AF20-45F80CCAFA47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec = sheets. -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net > On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: >=20 > I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ > =20 > From: Max Heim <> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM > To: FrankK <> ; MG List <> > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive > =20 > Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use = Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. > =20 > =20 > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net <> > =20 > =20 > =20 >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK > wrote: >> =20 >> Max: I did get some Valvoline Racing Oil (not for street use!) but = after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use I am = questioning its use now. >> =20 >> From: Max Heim via Mgs <> >> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM >> To: MG List <> >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >> =20 >> I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while but it was = inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was pointless. >> =20 >> Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between = changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional = amount of your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a = regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol 20W50. >> =20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >> =20 >>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs = > wrote: >>> =20 >>> Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that = already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have = it. >>>=20 >>> CR >>>=20 >>> On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote: >>>> There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of = different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I = didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding = ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it = is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol = 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. >>>> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing = Oil say? >>>> Frank Krajewski >>=20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Mgs@autox.team.net <> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail=_C876C8F2-D435-463B-AF20-45F80CCAFA47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually = the spec sheets.

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP = proportions./

From: Max=20 Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 = PM

To: FrankK ; MG = List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil = Additive

Right,=20 but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, = Joe=20 Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net>=20 wrote:

Max: I did get some Valvoline Racing = Oil (not for=20 street use!) but after some of the negative comments on here regarding = its use=20 I am questioning its use now.

From: Max=20 Heim via Mgs

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 = PM

To: MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil = Additive

I agree with Charley=E2=80=A6 I did that for a while = but it was inconvenient, and=20 once I found a proper oil it was pointless.

Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a = quart between=20 changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional = amount of=20 your additive? It=E2=80=99s just impractical to deal with on a regular = basis. There is=20 nothing magical about Castrol 20W50.

--

Max Heim

'66 = MGB

On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs=20= <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Why raise your = cost by adding an=20 additive when there are oils that already have the zinc? I use = VR1;=20 all the local auto parts stores have it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs=20= wrote:

There was a great deal of discussion here = regarding the use of=20 different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these = days. =20 I didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the practice = of adding ZDDP to=20 oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where = it is=20 available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my = Castrol=20 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using = Valvoline Racing=20 Oil say?

Frank=20 = Krajewski

_______________________________________________

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= --Apple-Mail=_C876C8F2-D435-463B-AF20-45F80CCAFA47-- --===============4823541808614029894== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4823541808614029894==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 23:31:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0288A060B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 23:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D207A05AC for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2019 23:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id jdHOhWrzZiYm2jdHQhmCBl; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 05:30:36 +0000 To: MG List References: <928d32b4-f121-970b-95e5-5864fc296485@twc.com>

Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 00:30:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 Content-Language: en-US Zu1HRlyBEqz+lFCHfHLrORJ/satz0PSF8iwo1hHXHzXSN1Pz+vriWN2g Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0690780781257206653== boundary="------------6E3805D6949AE2AD29D47256" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6E3805D6949AE2AD29D47256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it. CR On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec > sheets. > > -- > Max Heim > > > >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK > >> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >> *From:* Max Heim >> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >> *To:* FrankK ; MG List >> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use >> Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >> -- >> Max Heim >> mvheim@sonic.net >>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK wrote: >>> Max: I did get some Valvoline Racing Oil (not for street use!) >>> but after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use I >>> am questioning its use now. >>> *From:* Max Heim via Mgs >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM >>> *To:* MG List >>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >>> I agree with Charley… I did that for a while but it was >>> inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was pointless. >>> Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between >>> changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional >>> amount of your additive? It’s just impractical to deal with on a >>> regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol 20W50. >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs >>>> wrote: >>>> Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that >>>> already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores >>>> have it. >>>> >>>> CR >>>> >>>> On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote: >>>>> There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of >>>>> different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these >>>>> days. I didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of >>>>> adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several >>>>> sources where it is available and I have availed myself of it and >>>>> added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. >>>>> Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing >>>>> Oil say? >>>>> Frank Krajewski >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------6E3805D6949AE2AD29D47256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

Max: I did get some Valvoline Racing Oil (not for street use!) but after some of the negative comments on here regarding its use I am questioning its use now.

From: Max Heim via Mgs

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:41 PM

To: MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

I agree with Charley… I did that for a while but it was inconvenient, and once I found a proper oil it was pointless.

Consider, if you have to top off your oil by adding a quart between changes (as is common), are you also adding the exact proportional amount of your additive? It’s just impractical to deal with on a regular basis. There is nothing magical about Castrol 20W50.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Why raise your cost by adding an additive when there are oils that already have the zinc? I use VR1; all the local auto parts stores have it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 10:50 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote:

There was a great deal of discussion here regarding the use of different oil to compensate for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I didn’t see anyone include a discussion of the practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking in it. There are several sources where it is available and I have availed myself of it and added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE.

Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil say?

Frank Krajewski

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 08:28:50 -0700 To: Charley38@twc.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Chris Attias via Mgs Cc: MG List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7296795041339205118== --0000000000003d362d058d04dec7 Oil technology is changing quickly, with the change in emissions and fuel economy regulations and the redesign of newer engines. Additive packages are now designed for engines that run hotter, have tighter tolerances, and must be cleaner to preserve catalytic converters and oxygen sensors. It's easy to think in terms of individual brands that have "always been good", but the thing that most affects the choice of oil is the API Service Classification. I found a good summary of the rapid changes in oil standards here: http://www.pqiamerica.com/apiserviceclass.htm As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). Chris On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs wrote: > I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take > other peoples' word for it. > > CR > > On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec > sheets. > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: > > I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ > > *From:* Max Heim > *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM > *To:* FrankK ; MG List > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive > > Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal > Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. > > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > --0000000000003d362d058d04dec7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oil technology is changing quickly, with the change i= n emissions and fuel economy regulations and the redesign of newer engines.= =C2=A0 Additive packages are now designed for engines that run hotter, have= tighter tolerances, and must be cleaner to preserve catalytic converters a= nd oxygen sensors. It's easy to think in terms of individual brands tha= t have "always been good", but the thing that most affects the ch= oice of oil is the API Service Classification.=C2=A0

I found a go= od summary of the rapid changes in oil standards here:

http://www.pqiamerica.com/a= piserviceclass.htm

As classifications change, old oil for= mulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has = become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple= , Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mg= s <mgs@autox.team.net> wrot= e:

=20 =20 =20
I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of fol= ks just take other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 = 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

=20 Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

--

Max Heim

mvheim= @sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

=20

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

=C2=A0

From: M= ax Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

=C2=A0

Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

=C2=A0

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 08:47:57 -0700 To: Chris Attias Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Simon Matthews via Mgs Cc: MG List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net That article doesn't include the detail that the allowed formulation of oils depends on the weight of the oil. So a 20W/50 oil can contain a lot more zinc and phosphorous than a 5W/30. Simon On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:29 AM Chris Attias via Mgs wrote: > > Oil technology is changing quickly, with the change in emissions and fuel economy regulations and the redesign of newer engines. Additive packages are now designed for engines that run hotter, have tighter tolerances, and must be cleaner to preserve catalytic converters and oxygen sensors. It's easy to think in terms of individual brands that have "always been good", but the thing that most affects the choice of oil is the API Service Classification. > I found a good summary of the rapid changes in oil standards here: > http://www.pqiamerica.com/apiserviceclass.htm > As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). > > Chris > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs wrote: >> >> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it. >> >> CR >> >> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >> >> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets. >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> mvheim@sonic.net >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: >> >> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >> >> From: Max Heim >> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >> To: FrankK ; MG List >> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >> >> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> mvheim@sonic.net >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 16:52:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7366A0583 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C2BA054D for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jtUOht2aIOOQpjtXbhj7O9; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 22:52:23 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1562453543; bh=Adbh7T/NRmJaLrmvDxKPc5dXyD3bjnPbgWCuNJ3Ao/Y=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=40oMXqQ60csYiOjw15dWSfrjW+4ps9dCt/J3INoxsW9qYcJkfVv5vEV2kFtzl49cc hvPyt/QLuKOEH4iO7TrioXW/dWQ0XylOIIcdyxHfjwlsSt1WOSJW4VpJUxVzvQrndh +VujBk7qM142UrxRvZt0j66bS1UsynINek00lzrczKI6fIEsNTs5CtLk6Bt7H95XKe oRQSmBZdP7M2Z1/Rwq+myPgJOdHcwqNApd6+3ovXaNGQ8sagNWOEdwean5rdQFOJpK dpZRF94d4VJtPw9lQdkVbGxNB3c86Y2czy+iRc7m+8pEtlpqa3+eUSKCveLmbIuHnv j+gHB0iPGddVg== Received: from oxapp-hoc-38o.email.comcast.net ([96.118.241.88]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id jtXahIg65YHq2jtXahi1tv; Sat, 06 Jul 2019 22:52:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:52:22 -0400 (EDT) To: mgs@autox.team.net Importance: Medium Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Addatives From: EARL Shellenberger via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3089567637183395912== boundary="----=_Part_845149_214335818.1562453542235" ------=_Part_845149_214335818.1562453542235 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One oil missing on the list is Brad Penn, their 20/50 racing oil has the extra ZZDP_ and if you have a local dealer you can probably get it alot cheaper than the others. My local dealer will knock about $10 off per case when I buy six cases. I go in with someone else or stock up for the rest of my vehicles . He also stock plane 30wt for use in small engines. Ron Shellenberger 2 many cars ------=_Part_845149_214335818.1562453542235 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One oil missing on the list is Brad Penn= , their 20/50 racing oil has the extra ZZDP_ and if you have a local dealer= you can probably get it alot cheaper than the others. My local dealer will= knock about $10 off per case when I buy six cases. I go in with someone el= se or stock up for the rest of my vehicles . He also stock plane 30wt for u= se in small engines.

Ron Shellenberger

2 many cars &#= 160; = = ; = 60; &= #160; =

=20 ------=_Part_845149_214335818.1562453542235-- --===============3089567637183395912== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3089567637183395912==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 6 19:43:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7EA0ADD for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC09A0B1A for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:40:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id jwAUhEWuNWnTijwAWhXmsZ; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 01:40:44 +0000 To: Chris Attias , Mga List References: <928d32b4-f121-970b-95e5-5864fc296485@twc.com>

<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:40:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 Content-Language: en-US 3bKgBEHbtUKIELhNA/jYuITblD3vdQ3SHfZ1hGrZU2OpXOtxWrEeJIIBu7G+Ge4g+O0jXL28gGbiYA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1597392552985867980== boundary="------------F04847D0312D61D766552910" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F04847D0312D61D766552910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier. CR On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: > > As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the > appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the > product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe > Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). > > Chris > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs > > I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks > just take other peoples' word for it. > > CR > > On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the >> spec sheets. >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> >> >> >>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK >> >>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >>> *From:* Max Heim >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >>> *To:* FrankK ; MG List >>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others >>> use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> mvheim@sonic.net >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >> >> > --------------F04847D0312D61D766552910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:

As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:01:25 -0700 To: Charley38@twc.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Chris Attias via Mgs Cc: Mga List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0775253076576429219== --000000000000b54880058d0e8b3d I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The most non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for extended use in cars with catalytic convertors. On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson wrote: > Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil > supplier. > > CR > > On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: > > > As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the > appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product > of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, > Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). > > Chris > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just >> take other peoples' word for it. >> >> CR >> >> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >> >> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec >> sheets. >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> mvheim@sonic.net >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: >> >> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >> >> *From:* Max Heim >> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >> *To:* FrankK ; MG List >> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >> >> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal >> Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >> >> >> -- >> Max Heim >> mvheim@sonic.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >> >> >> > > -- ___ Chris Attias 8117 Azalea Dr. Felton, CA 95018 home: 831.335.2275 cell: 831.247.0001 --000000000000b54880058d0e8b3d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oi= ls. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a speci= alty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts st= ores. The most non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an A= PI classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for= extended use in cars with catalytic convertors.=C2=A0

On Sat= , Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

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Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 1= 0:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:

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As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net= > wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

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From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; M= G List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

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Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
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--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

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--000000000000b54880058d0e8b3d-- --===============0775253076576429219== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0775253076576429219==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 08:08:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8484A0A6F for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 08:08:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51623A07D6 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 08:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id k7pnhQusJWnTik7pphbpd8; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 14:08:09 +0000 To: Chris Attias , Mgs@autox.team.net References: <928d32b4-f121-970b-95e5-5864fc296485@twc.com>

<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 09:07:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 Content-Language: en-US YqAFjtoaCrS9wch1P4XQ1d7/FWbsRSAd1eyxMbQEuSMIuaXcONGHilX8eYF1UcJDZt5m3MAQjXTFTg== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0502000032489032267== boundary="------------8A3C7922DA428FD80A4D8A68" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8A3C7922DA428FD80A4D8A68 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1 I've been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I use synthetics in my newer cars. CR On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote: > I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline > VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not > something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson > Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor > oil supplier. > > CR > > On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: >> >> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, >> the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty >> much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, >> Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). >> >> Chris >> >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs >> >> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of >> folks just take other peoples' word for it. >> >> CR >> >> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or >>> usually the spec sheets. >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK >>> >>>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP >>>> proportions./ >>>> *From:* Max Heim >>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >>>> *To:* FrankK ; MG List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >>>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. >>>> Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> mvheim@sonic.net >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > ___ > > Chris Attias > 8117 Azalea Dr. > Felton, CA 95018 > home: 831.335.2275 > cell: 831.247.0001 --------------8A3C7922DA428FD80A4D8A68 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I've been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I use synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:

I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:

As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com

--

___

Chris Attias
8117 Azalea Dr.

Felton, CA 95018

home: 831.335.2275

cell: 831.247.0001

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I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the = website that=20 you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic = converters which=20 my 80 MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp = should not=20 be used in cars with catalytic converters so what should those of = us with=20 RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added aggravation of = concern=20 about our cats?

Frank Krajewski

From: Charley=20 Robinson via Mgs

Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM

To: Chris Attias ; Mgs@autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Maybe=20 you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 = yesterday=20 at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. = The first=20 bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's = a blurb=20 from Valvoline's website: https://sh= arena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d= 889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I've=20 been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or = so. I use=20 synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias = wrote:

I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing = oils.=20 Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a = specialty oil.=20 Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. =

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM = Charley Robinson=20 <Charley38@twc.com> = wrote:

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see = Valvoline as a=20 specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 = 10:28 AM,=20 Chris Attias wrote:

As classifications change, old oil formulations become = obsolete, the=20 appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the = product=20 of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, = Red Line,=20 Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris=20

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM = Charley=20 Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

I've been reading up on it to refresh = my=20 memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for=20 it.

CR

On=20 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read = the=20 labels, or usually the spec sheets.=20

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Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> = wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP=20 proportions./

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil = Additive

Right,=20 but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use = Royal=20 Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20

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mvheim@sonic.net

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> <4b56c66e-25b4-049c-3602-4e6525428e96@twc.com> <41091914409E4272B2A5CDE31214B920@FrankPC> To: FrankK Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs Cc: Mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6244020244335794322== boundary=Apple-Mail-500F08F6-F9E3-49BE-B9E8-CB860DC7D5E4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-500F08F6-F9E3-49BE-B9E8-CB860DC7D5E4 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, It=E2=80=99s unlikely that the 1980 catalyst is still catalysing; it=E2=80= =99s probably been dead weight for years. =20 On the chart we saw this morning VR1 has 1400 ppm ZDDP, so that answer th= e question about ZDDP and a sufficiency thereof. It should be fine to use i= n our engines. Is the cat needed in order to pass emissions in RI? It was in CT, the vi= sual part of inspection, though one of our members with a 1980 made one of a= tomato juice can that he installed before inspections. That passed the vis= ual. Tailpipe emissions passed easily w/o it, but they needed to see someth= ing that looked like a cat in order to pass the visual inspection. =20 My 1972, toward the end of the tailpipe checks, was passing easily. Some s= ay that fuel within the past ten years will burn clean enough to pass. That=E2= =80=99s my one-person experience. We no longer have tail-pipe checks in CT. Bob > On Jul 7, 2019, at 11:28 AM, FrankK via Mgs wrote: >=20 > I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website that= you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic converters w= hich my 80 MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp should n= ot be used in cars with catalytic converters so what should those of us wit= h RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added aggravation of concern abou= t our cats? > Frank Krajewski > =20 > From: Charley Robinson via Mgs > Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM > To: Chris Attias ; Mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive > =20 > Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 ye= sterday at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The fir= st bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a= blurb from Valvoline's website: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Docum= ent/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162= d889bd1 >=20 > I've been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I us= e synthetics in my newer cars. >=20 > CR >=20 >=20 >> On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote: >> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 i= s primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I= 've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.=20 >> =20 >> =20 >>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson wrot= e: >>> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil s= upplier. >>>=20 >>> CR >>>=20 >>>> On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: >>>> =20 >>>> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the ap= propriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of s= pecialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas,= and Collectors Choice (Moss). >>>> =20 >>>> Chris >>>> =20 >>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs wrote: >>>>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just t= ake other peoples' word for it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> CR >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>>>>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spe= c sheets. >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Max Heim >>>>>> mvheim@sonic.net >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> From: Max Heim >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >>>>>>> To: FrankK ; MG List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Ro= yal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Max Heim >>>>>>> mvheim@sonic.net >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> ___ >> =20 >> Chris Attias >> 8117 Azalea Dr. >> Felton, CA 95018 >> home: 831.335.2275 >> cell: 831.247.0001 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/frankk12@verizon.ne= t > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-500F08F6-F9E3-49BE-B9E8-CB860DC7D5E4 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Frank,

It=E2=80=99s unlikely that the 19= 80 catalyst is still catalysing; it=E2=80=99s probably been dead weight for y= ears.

On the chart we saw this mor= ning VR1 has 1400 ppm ZDDP, so that answer the question about ZDDP and a suf= ficiency thereof. It should be fine to use in our engines.

Is the cat needed in order to pass emissions in RI? = It was in CT, the visual part of inspection, though one of our members with= a 1980 made one of a tomato juice can that he installed before inspections.= That passed the visual. Tailpipe emissions passed easily w/o it= , but they needed to see something that looked like a cat in order to pass t= he visual inspection.

My 1972, toward th= e end of the tailpipe checks, was passing easily. Some say that fuel within t= he past ten years will burn clean enough to pass. That=E2=80=99s my one-pers= on experience. We no longer have tail-pipe checks in CT.

Bob

On Jul 7, 2019, a= t 11:28 AM, FrankK via Mgs <mgs@aut= ox.team.net> wrote:

I have been using 20-50 VR1 in my 80 MGBLE but I see from the website t= hat=20 you provided that it should not be used in cars with catalytic converters wh= ich=20 my 80 MGB has. In fact, all of the recommended oils with zddp should n= ot=20 be used in cars with catalytic converters so what should those of us w= ith=20 RBBs use? we need the zddp but not the added aggravation of conc= ern=20 about our cats?

Frank Krajewski

From: Charley=20 Robinson via Mgs

Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM

To: Chris Attias ; Mgs@autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Maybe=20 you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 yeste= rday=20 at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The f= irst=20 bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a bl= urb=20 from Valvoline's website: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0= a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I= 've=20 been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I= use=20 synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:
=

I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils.= =20 Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oi= l.=20 Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charl= ey Robinson=20 <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
=

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline a= s a=20 specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10= :28 AM,=20 Chris Attias wrote:

As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, t= he=20 appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the pro= duct=20 of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Li= ne,=20 Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris=20

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM C= harley=20 Robinson via Mgs <mgs= @autox.team.net> wrote:

I've been reading up on it to refresh my=20= memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for=20 it.

CR

On=20 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the= =20 labels, or usually the spec sheets.=20

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.ne= t

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP=20 proportions./

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

Right= ,=20 but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal= =20 Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.=20

--

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mvheim@sonic.net

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> <4b56c66e-25b4-049c-3602-4e6525428e96@twc.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:03:58 -0700 To: Charley38@twc.com Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Chris Attias via Mgs Cc: MG List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5778812670532928832== --000000000000ed35a5058d1a509b I'll confess that I haven't been out to buy oil for about a year. I went out this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had Valvoline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled "High Zinc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil companies are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline conventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt. As a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience with old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep told me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect that points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of contaminants. It's a theory... Back to some of the earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong, but Castrol seems to be the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils - I wasn't able to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros. in the UK sells something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I didn't see that available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I don't know. For an MGB with a catalyst, I'd probably think about using an oil with a known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companies publish this level. I've seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It's sort of a crap shoot with a bottle of additive, given that you might not know the concentration. On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson wrote: > Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 > yesterday at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The > first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". > Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: > https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1 > > I've been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I > use synthetics in my newer cars. > > CR > > > On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote: > > I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 is > primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something > I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson wrote: > >> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil >> supplier. >> >> CR >> >> On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: >> >> >> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the >> appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product >> of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, >> Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). >> >> Chris >> >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs < >> mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just >>> take other peoples' word for it. >>> >>> CR >>> >>> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>> >>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec >>> sheets. >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> mvheim@sonic.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: >>> >>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >>> >>> *From:* Max Heim >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >>> *To:* FrankK ; MG List >>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >>> >>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal >>> Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> mvheim@sonic.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > ___ > > Chris Attias > 8117 Azalea Dr. > Felton, CA 95018 > home: 831.335.2275 > cell: 831.247.0001 > > > -- ___ Chris Attias 8117 Azalea Dr. Felton, CA 95018 home: 831.335.2275 cell: 831.247.0001 --000000000000ed35a5058d1a509b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'll confess that I haven't been out to buy oil fo= r about a year. I went out this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and s= ure enough, they had Valvoline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clea= rly labeled "High Zinc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks = like a lot of oil companies are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market = seriously. Valvoline conventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/q= t.

As a side note, I've been using conventional oil = because my experience with old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good= . An oil company rep told me that in their experience, synthetics have an i= mproved detergent effect that points up wear in old seals that's been m= asked by a buildup of contaminants. It's a theory...

Back to some of the earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong,= but Castrol seems to be the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their o= ils - I wasn't able to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rim= mer Bros. in the UK sells something that looks like a Castrol for old cars,= but I didn't see that available here. Not knowing, would you want to a= dd ZDDP? I don't know.

For an MGB with a catal= yst, I'd probably think about using an oil with a known amount of ZDDP = (ppm). Some oil companies publish this level. I've seen between 600 ppm= and 1200 ppm. It's sort of a crap shoot with a bottle of additive, giv= en that you might not know the concentration.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

=20 =20 =20

Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.=C2=A0 I bought two quarts of = 20W50 VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone.=C2=A0 The other local stores carry = it too.=C2=A0 The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's w= ebsite: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee6= 1-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1

I've been using=C2=A0 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 ye= ars or so.=C2=A0 I use synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

On 7/6/2019 = 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:

=20
I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all rac= ing oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 P= M Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:

As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've been reading up on= it to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just tak= e other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

=C2=A0

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

=C2=A0

Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net<= /div>
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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--

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Chr= is Attias
8117 Azalea Dr.

Felton, CA 95018

home: 831.335.2275

cell: 831.247.0001

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> <4b56c66e-25b4-049c-3602-4e6525428e96@twc.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:58:48 -0700 To: Chris Attias Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: MG List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2708339810081450505== --00000000000025e8e4058d1b1554 Life is simpler where I live. I don't drive enough to worry about cam wear. And in Texas we have no emissions testing for cars 25 years and older so there's no worry about the catalytic converters. I would just change the oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and use Castrol GTX in 20W50 weight. That said, I never drive 3000 miles so I just change oil and filter annually-ish. Rick On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM Chris Attias via Mgs wrote: > I'll confess that I haven't been out to buy oil for about a year. I went > out this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had > Valvoline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled "High > Zinc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil companies > are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline > conventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt. > > As a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience > with old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep told > me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect > that points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of > contaminants. It's a theory... > > Back to some of the earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong, but > Castrol seems to be the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils - > I wasn't able to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros. > in the UK sells something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I > didn't see that available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I > don't know. > > For an MGB with a catalyst, I'd probably think about using an oil with a > known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companies publish this level. I've > seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It's sort of a crap shoot with a bottle > of additive, given that you might not know the concentration. > > > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson wrote: > >> Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. I bought two quarts of 20W50 VR1 >> yesterday at my local Autozone. The other local stores carry it too. The >> first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". >> Here's a blurb from Valvoline's website: >> https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1 >> >> I've been using 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 years or so. I >> use synthetics in my newer cars. >> >> CR >> >> >> On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote: >> >> I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 >> is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not >> something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil >>> supplier. >>> >>> CR >>> >>> On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: >>> >>> >>> As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the >>> appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product >>> of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, >>> Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs < >>> mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just >>>> take other peoples' word for it. >>>> >>>> CR >>>> >>>> On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>>> >>>> Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec >>>> sheets. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> mvheim@sonic.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: >>>> >>>> I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ >>>> >>>> *From:* Max Heim >>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM >>>> *To:* FrankK ; MG List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive >>>> >>>> Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal >>>> Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> mvheim@sonic.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> ___ >> >> Chris Attias >> 8117 Azalea Dr. >> Felton, CA 95018 >> home: 831.335.2275 >> cell: 831.247.0001 >> >> >> > > -- > ___ > > Chris Attias > 8117 Azalea Dr. > Felton, CA 95018 > home: 831.335.2275 > cell: 831.247.0001 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com > --00000000000025e8e4058d1b1554 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Life is simpler where I live. I don't drive enough to= worry about cam wear. And in Texas we have no emissions testing for cars 2= 5 years and older so there's no worry about the catalytic converters. I= would just change the oil and filter at 3000 mile intervals and use Castro= l GTX in 20W50 weight. That said, I never drive 3000 miles so I just change= oil and filter annually-ish.

Rick

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM Chris Attia= s via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net&= gt; wrote:

I'l= l confess that I haven't been out to buy oil for about a year. I went o= ut this morning to a couple of nearby stores, and sure enough, they had Val= voline VR1 and a couple other brands that were clearly labeled "High Z= inc" or mentioned ZDDP on the label. It looks like a lot of oil compan= ies are taking the old car/classics/hot rod market seriously. Valvoline con= ventional was the least expensive, at under $7.00/qt.

As= a side note, I've been using conventional oil because my experience wi= th old seals and synthetic oil hasn't been good. An oil company rep tol= d me that in their experience, synthetics have an improved detergent effect= that points up wear in old seals that's been masked by a buildup of co= ntaminants. It's a theory...

Back to some of the= earlier discussions...Correct me if I'm wrong, but Castrol seems to be= the least forthcoming about ZDDP levels in their oils - I wasn't able = to find a table specifying zinc in ppm for GTX. Rimmer Bros. in the UK sell= s something that looks like a Castrol for old cars, but I didn't see th= at available here. Not knowing, would you want to add ZDDP? I don't kno= w.

For an MGB with a catalyst, I'd probably th= ink about using an oil with a known amount of ZDDP (ppm). Some oil companie= s publish this level. I've seen between 600 ppm and 1200 ppm. It's = sort of a crap shoot with a bottle of additive, given that you might not kn= ow the concentration.

On Sun, Jul = 7, 2019 at 7:08 AM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
=
=20 =20 =20
Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.=C2=A0 I bought two quarts of = 20W50 VR1 yesterday at my local Autozone.=C2=A0 The other local stores carry = it too.=C2=A0 The first bullet on the back label calls it "High Performance/Racing Oil". Here's a blurb from Valvoline's w= ebsite: https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Doc= ument/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac= 162d889bd1

I've been using=C2=A0 20W50 VR1 in my '69 MGB for the last 5 ye= ars or so.=C2=A0 I use synthetics in my newer cars.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:01 PM, Chris Attias wrote:

=20
I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all rac= ing oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 P= M Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.

CR

On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:

As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).

Chris

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@aut= ox.team.net> wrote:

I've been reading up on= it to refresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just tak= e other peoples' word for it.

CR

On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets.

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mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> wrote:

I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./

=C2=A0

From: Max Heim

Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM

To: FrankK ; MG List

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

=C2=A0

Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 16:28:47 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJ+22oVithFi3Ryxd9suAtMrPcX4gF1jGqxAkNSvBsDQb+f9QKreB3gAh9UcF8BzhQ8DQIe/nUSAUuSfaEDEBqjzgHSOex0pL1bJVA= Content-Language: en-us G9zdn8v2m4w9eXMYxqrmmQf38L2w7+K7DPw= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: dave via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1746680379309895322== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01D534E1.0DFBF640" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D534E1.0DFBF640 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valvoline VR-1 full synthetic is available from = https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/ =20 Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives in about 3 days. = Has lots of zddp. Been using it for years. And we autocross the car. = Highly recommended along with WIX filters. =20 From: Mgs On Behalf Of Chris Attias via Mgs Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:01 PM To: Charley38@twc.com Cc: Mga List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive =20 I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 = is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not = something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The most = non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API = classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for = extended use in cars with catalytic convertors.=20 =20 =20 On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson =20 =20 =20 =20 --=20 ___ =20 Chris Attias 8117 Azalea Dr. Felton, CA 95018 home: 831.335.2275 cell: 831.247.0001 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D534E1.0DFBF640 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Valvoline = VR-1 full synthetic is available from https://stores.advanceautop= arts.com/

Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives = in about 3 days.=C2=A0 Has lots of zddp.=C2=A0 Been using it for = years.=C2=A0 And we autocross the car.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highly recommended = along with WIX filters.

From: = Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Attias = via Mgs
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:01 PM
To: = Charley38@twc.com
Cc: Mga List = <Mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil = Additive

I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing = oils. Valvoline VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a = specialty oil. Not something I've seen on the shelves at local auto = parts stores. The most non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, = with an API classification SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't = recommended for extended use in cars with catalytic = convertors.

On = Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> = wrote:

Sorry, I don't agree unless you see = Valvoline as a specialty motor oil = supplier.

CR
On 7/6/2019 = 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote:

As = classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the = appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the = product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, = Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice = (Moss).

Chris =

On = Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
I've been reading up on it to refresh my = memory. A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for = it.

CR
On 7/5/2019 9:02 = PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
Only = certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec = sheets.

--
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On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK <frankk12@verizon.net> = wrote:

I assume all those = brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ =

Fr= om: = Max Heim
Se= nt: = Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM
To= : = FrankK ; MG List
Su= bject: = Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Right, but there = are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal Purple, Joe = Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.

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<41334e85-7322-dc7b-5e99-8bf65f5fd7fc@twc.com> <563b7edc-c398-0544-6d98-335ae678d40d@twc.com> <001e01d5350a$f6d02980$e4707c80$@ranteer.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 15:53:24 -0600 Cc: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Andrew Lundgren via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4308864425191569381== --0000000000000063e4058d1e5c67 I use that as well. Napa and some AutoZone locations here stock it here. On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:29 PM dave via Mgs wrote: > Valvoline VR-1 full synthetic is available from > https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/ > > > > Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives in about 3 days. > Has lots of zddp. Been using it for years. And we autocross the car. > Highly recommended along with WIX filters. > > > > *From:* Mgs *On Behalf Of *Chris Attias via > Mgs > *Sent:* Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:01 PM > *To:* Charley38@twc.com > *Cc:* Mga List > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive > > > > I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline VR1 is > primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not something > I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The most non-specialty > oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API classification SN, that has > 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for extended use in cars with > catalytic convertors. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:40 PM Charley Robinson wrote: > > Sorry, I don't agree unless you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil > supplier. > > CR > > On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wrote: > > > > As classifications change, old oil formulations become obsolete, the > appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much the product > of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, Red Line, > Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss). > > > > Chris > > > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley Robinson via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > > I've been reading up on it to refresh my memory. A lot of folks just take > other peoples' word for it. > > CR > > On 7/5/2019 9:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > Only certain weights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec > sheets. > > > > -- > > Max Heim > > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:15 PM, FrankK wrote: > > > > I assume all those brands include the correct ZDDP proportions./ > > > > *From:* Max Heim > > *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 9:02 PM > > *To:* FrankK ; MG List > > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive > > > > Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal > Purple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands. > > > > > > -- > > Max Heim > > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > man/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ___ > > > > Chris Attias > > 8117 Azalea Dr. > > Felton, CA 95018 > > home: 831.335.2275 > > cell: 831.247.0001 > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > --0000000000000063e4058d1e5c67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I use that as well.=C2=A0

Napa and some AutoZone locations here stock it here.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019= , 3:29 PM dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.= team.net> wrote:

Valvoline VR-1 full synthetic is ava= ilable from https://stores.advanceautoparts.com/
=C2=A0
Free shipping after $25, which is 3 quarts and arrives in about 3 days.=C2= =A0 Has lots of zddp.=C2=A0 Been using it for years.=C2=A0 And we autocross= the car.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Highly recommended along with WIX filters.<= /u>
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From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Beh= alf Of Chris Attias via Mgs
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:0= 1 PM
To: Charley38@twc.com
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive=
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I don't claim exhaustive knowledge about all racing oils. Valvoline= VR1 is primarily made for racing, and I'd call it a specialty oil. Not= something I've seen on the shelves at local auto parts stores. The mos= t non-specialty oil I've seen is Mobil 1 15W-50, with an API classifica= tion SN, that has 1200 ppm zinc, and isn't recommended for extended use= in cars with catalytic convertors.=C2=A0
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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at= 6:40 PM Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
Sorry, I don't agree un= less you see Valvoline as a specialty motor oil supplier.

CR<= u>
On 7/6/2019 10:28 AM, Chris Attias wr= ote:
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As classifications change, old oil formulations become obs= olete, the appropriate oil for flat tappet engines has become pretty much t= he product of specialty oil companies like Royal Purple, Driven/Joe Gibbs, = Red Line, Lucas, and Collectors Choice (Moss).
=
=C2=A0
Chris
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On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:32 PM Charley = Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I've been reading up on it to re= fresh my memory.=C2=A0 A lot of folks just take other peoples' word for= it.

CR
On 7/5/2019 9:0= 2 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
Only certain we= ights. You have to read the labels, or usually the spec sheets. <= /u>
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Right, but there are other brands. I use Mobil1 15W50. Others use Royal P= urple, Joe Gibbs, Kendall or AMSoil brands.
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Since oil is = available that is appropriate for old cars with = enough ZDDP, I'll let the company be responsible = for the whole package and not mess around with = it. When Castrol made their Syntec 20W50 "for = classic cars" I used that. When they = discontinued that, I switched to the Mobil 1 = 15W50. It is easy to find at a good price at = Walmart. The Valvoline is a fine choice as well. -Steve T. At 11:50 AM 7/5/2019, FrankK via Mgs wrote: >There was a great deal of discussion here = >regarding the use of different oil to compensate = >for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I = >didn=E2=80=99t see anyone include a discussion of the = >practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking = >in it. There are several sources where it is = >available and I have availed myself of it and = >added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. >Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil say? >Frank Krajewski >___________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 7 16:14:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62730A09FB for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 16:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f47.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87859A0768 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 16:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f47.google.com with SMTP id z3so15785091iog.0 for ; Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g9DRBNkM7BkxN+M9cuXQirybmmYUMI0iwxUukgjo40E=; b=ORPQ64pSCReUH6BoOAFfRheqGROniMsszAABv4XnjcNCmnnAosECL1up1kUzYFzyOR bz1XbguzSR7BPPxL/W2z8DJXC2TJsCkkqQ23mcgg46CXPOyqOQY7j/pifs+3nwTfh0WL lb8KWbZA47M73el/p0eCczFoePHRh4gzuV3VTTW2XKEb5Zs3Ffu9EIahMdg+F7gFzBB7 xaLYnHmmX02Nki3XRdI7KiFEVZ/I/m9frlh2mSPDed7jGC9WNvsvb+2jFFpTPUujK2lQ y8zmrRud7+48UcRVdh/xqXkqkk6TkexQEUPjYnxynBjYuoJjCaR5x0ltaAtbaYHPk3Yc CT1w== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g9DRBNkM7BkxN+M9cuXQirybmmYUMI0iwxUukgjo40E=; b=tzBJ3+O7qpyCEn7qyR/zZzMJpZZxh17SrbZAya4Wih/gJMn7hA6twIUPmhZxoOpVVL esTSuvl38UAhCH1tIKPBEArg6n5GDNcDdrIBkQ60mdbg7GfCzk/SQP8pgBwMs1ESClZs /Wjb2ekDTltB9sRYRYdLOU2D0nez0t1JMz9StOVKxaThkftGaMsct6zHohaoiODrNkxz fEmBllr9HVLJtCvcjXv9v7P7gLkn01ckveLGGed2HO1OCply4FWi203wKe9YDTnnEB2I uCgcI9c/Rk9k2qN3996UgCf3mhM134ct/Rx58JyZssb1YgzU7Vz+Mt5luk8SP3rZU635 eWCQ== UKE//fctzuq6XhQxzmayIOtKt3xVmB2Rb27h9qQ= Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:14:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <37.5B.17549.EAB622D5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 15:14:14 -0700 To: Steven Trovato Subject: Re: [Mgs] Oil Additive From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4770420130957189189== --000000000000878e41058d1ea62d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Additives do nothing, or less, for healthy engines...except for the zinc stuff being discussed. However, there are additives that are Bandaids for weak or damaged engines. 'Restore' has something within that swells leaking valve stem seals, allowing a few more smoke-free miles from a high mileage car. Evidence: My son's zillion mile E-class Mercedes when in highschool, two decades ago. 'STP', of all things, adds just a bit more viscosity to the straight 50 weight oil in my 150k plus Land Rover, lending a bit more pressure at hot idle. Read: The oil light no longer flickers at idle in 100=C2=B0F traffic. Right or wrong, Rick On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:01 PM Steven Trovato via Mgs wrote: > I figure that oil companies have put together a > package where all the detergents and other > components play nicely together. Since oil is > available that is appropriate for old cars with > enough ZDDP, I'll let the company be responsible > for the whole package and not mess around with > it. When Castrol made their Syntec 20W50 "for > classic cars" I used that. When they > discontinued that, I switched to the Mobil 1 > 15W50. It is easy to find at a good price at > Walmart. The Valvoline is a fine choice as well. > > -Steve T. > > At 11:50 AM 7/5/2019, FrankK via Mgs wrote: > >There was a great deal of discussion here > >regarding the use of different oil to compensate > >for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days. I > >didn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t see anyone include a discussion of the > >practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking > >in it. There are several sources where it is > >available and I have availed myself of it and > >added it to my Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE. > >Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil > say? > >Frank Krajewski > >___________________ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com > --000000000000878e41058d1ea62d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Additives do nothing, or less, for healthy engines...exce= pt for the zinc stuff being discussed. However, there are additives that ar= e Bandaids for weak or damaged engines.

'Restore' has something within that swells leaking valve = stem seals, allowing a few more smoke-free miles from a high mileage car. E= vidence: My son's zillion mile E-class Mercedes when in highschool, two= decades ago.

'STP&#= 39;, of all things, adds just a bit more viscosity to the straight 50 weigh= t oil in my 150k plus Land Rover, lending a bit more pressure at hot idle. = Read: The oil light no longer flickers at idle in 100=C2=B0F traffic.

Right or wrong,

Rick

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 3:01 P= M Steven Trovato via Mgs <mgs@auto= x.team.net> wrote:

I figure= that oil companies have put together a
package where all the detergents and other
components play nicely together.=C2=A0 Since oil is
available that is appropriate for old cars with
enough ZDDP, I'll let the company be responsible
for the whole package and not mess around with
it.=C2=A0 When Castrol made their Syntec 20W50 "for
classic cars" I used that.=C2=A0 When they
discontinued that, I switched to the Mobil 1
15W50.=C2=A0 It is easy to find at a good price at
Walmart.=C2=A0 The Valvoline is a fine choice as well.

-Steve T.

At 11:50 AM 7/5/2019, FrankK via Mgs wrote:
>There was a great deal of=C2=A0 discussion here
>regarding the use of different oil to compensate
>for the lack of ZDDP in oil these days.=C2=A0 I
>didn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t see anyone include a discussion of the >practice of adding ZDDP to oil that is lacking
>in it.=C2=A0 There are several sources where it is
>available and I have availed myself of it and
>added it to my=C2=A0 Castrol 20-50 when I change the oil in my 80 MGBLE= .
>Is there a problem in doing this in lieu of using Valvoline Racing Oil = say?
>Frank Krajewski
>___________________

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Can anyone verify that

The threads for an MGA = slave cylinder bleed valve are 7/16 x 20
The threads for an MGB slave cylinder bleed valve are 3/8 x = 24

Thank you

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At 05:02 PM 7/8/2019, dave via Mgs wrote:

....
Can anyone verify that

The threads for an MGA slave cylinder bleed valve are 7/16 x 20
The threads for an MGB slave cylinder bleed valve are 3/8 x 24
Thank you

--=====================_193328359==.ALT-- --===============6380761442998572369== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6380761442998572369==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 9 01:36:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62A2A0D66 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 01:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.gmx.net (unknown [212.227.17.22]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53751A0D3C for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 01:05:59 -0600 (MDT) s=badeba3b8450; t=1562655941; bh=qeHPt+Qc7Mr316FSCCLOcbUCQUGEHYQ/15Y2aqWfJ6w=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date; b=c3KxfRfW+l9ATdiFMy9KSE2hsrMt/GpmBuWCWeyCvI038Qtx1r4FUnX6/3UQiY1op 9KUEGy/XZYclJgFDAMQu9I9A5G88V4/Jr84k9oWuKlGR9YIjIL6185thYOLxNREr6L OFZ3sE1PLcDCV3A4/VF5WvyFl5t7z3fcHb60vM5o= Received: from [95.195.221.96] ([95.195.221.96]) by msvc-mesg-gmx023.server.lan (via HTTP); Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:05:41 +0200 To: "Barney Gaylord" Importance: normal Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:05:41 +0200 KHrn55o58aVB8RfORRDm+teM2xFggbUO7YdN5B14ssA9M1KOkLV8/xmsVmhiwZJiXyrqAFXV70Jy BI2UUZzx9GEjmj7yvA/K6HxIkfNC1DLsDjmOavld6Vm4mq+yn7yWyBKmveYAAyHf24cZMVZ9NXG/ vVP5k5VKBQkm/H21Aj2fvvi6Szl6PiNOxs48q+AHo5320B3kyy6FCRAA0QcGF9vORfFU+INRPxBh nE= K2VepOpB9YztBrh1JOvAveQcF2sdfnxPzyPfgmo1d2okkb8wjhq+QGmKtnvObZ0YabVQIkrJF yoD11PJUKB35CnYKhrgaJv9KRdCNvMKBdT+NMvKaP2Y63/bVEfzWIqp5UKA1kSYOb23bCESbO w8JLkF0VT62YwnmNmNcwKoxt6Oxnj+NtbEQ2GOmFzSyvKXTLKOAWCT9Qm29sE8mlu66vF8Bh9 EB7W+kjJxckjCWji01MlNoD9jYhaJkfvLmGdGB5nN7Kb/cur7oD7jVpc74lAzhrN3ALZ608kB eXYGyOYwpYRp3gINc4+0gUQDz0JUzt4DrQX3UJnaIHWjGmMc5XmQB6NWES2Z1wre2OZA7CZsn wiS868khDa1SCiXCkbf2I15kU30j0sMZJZtgKzOw13W5wtBzpR7mYib1/1Qh1jPozNN8ySIth kOiqLVsbFebiSndcMcbXuWYcnzr8ZxX8CVjA6MobZm3p//GFcxdcGzRYn8r5TXv1awRZEjQfE jumHjzd26LYLmAY2YPBqLD2wIbOMRchlORlp9J+b8XDsSpF4F/2zskZnVkHMFMou5FdeqZejN bbdik2eu3liA6/47jkPMNpekm7I15/hlLXL6q5p9DJ8FjiZns7CSuH2wNVeQzpxYgy6SpYZCa vdAl6km8B5Z9E1RxsJxDPtOYm Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA and MGB clutch slave cylinders From: Bert Palte via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3121899723978873573==

... but aftermarket parts may differ?

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On 2019-07-09, 03:30 Barney Gaylord via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

No. They both use the same clutch slave cylinder. Threads are 3/8-24-UNF.

At 05:02 PM 7/8/2019, dave via Mgs wrote:

....
Can anyone verify that

The threads for an MGA slave cylinder bleed valve are 7/16 x 20
The threads for an MGB slave cylinder bleed valve are 3/8 x 24
Thank you
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Dave,� I only have the original Lockheed 1500 slave cylinders (94202) and they are 7/16-20 in both ports. Moss catalog chows a different bleed screw part number for B slave and B calipers.� i know the calipers are 3/8-24, so possibly the B are the 7/16-20 as the flex hose is, and the 2 ports are often switched.

� Peter C

On 7/8/2019 5:02 PM, dave via Mgs wrote:

Can anyone verify that

�

The threads for an MGA slave cylinder bleed valve are 7/16 x 20

The threads for an MGB slave cylinder bleed valve are 3/8 x 24

�

Thank you
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I can confirm that the MGB clutch slave has the same = thread=20 for both bleed nipple and hose as the bleed nipple is usually supplied = fitted to=20 the hose port.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

... i know the calipers are = 3/8-24, so=20 possibly the B are the 7/16-20 as the flex hose is, and the 2 ports = are often=20 switched.

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All MGA brake bleed nipples are same part number for drum and disc brakes, 3/8-24-UNF thread and should be 7/16-inch wrench size.

The bleed nipple for clutch slave cylinder is a different part number, so may well be 7/16-20-UNF thread. It is definitely the same clutch slave cylinder for MGB and MGA (not Twin Cam).

Barney

At 08:30 PM 7/8/2019, Barney Gaylord via Mgs wrote:

No. They both use the same clutch slave cylinder. Threads are 3/8-24-UNF.

At 05:02 PM 7/8/2019, dave via Mgs wrote:

....
Can anyone verify that

The threads for an MGA slave cylinder bleed valve are 7/16 x 20
The threads for an MGB slave cylinder bleed valve are 3/8 x 24
Thank you

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I have an MGA 1600, under 2,000 miles since the engine reb= uild. While working on an unrelated issue, I discovered that the front air = filter was thoroughly soaked in oil. The source was the vent hose between t= he air filter and the valve cover. I found significant (to my lack of exper= ience with this system!) pulsing air blowing through the hose at idle.

A compression test returned values between 125 and 130 psi i= n each cylinder. I used my blow-down tool (air fitting brazed to spark plug= casing --=C2=A0http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/be110.htm=C2=A0-- thanks= Barney!) and heard no hissing on any cylinder; valve cover, carburetor, or= exhaust.

Then, with all the plugs out, I cranked = the motor with the starter and felt plenty of air pumping out of the valve = cover port. I think that rules out poor ring sealing since there was no com= pression.

Any ideas where the pulsing air could be= coming from? The bottoms of the pistons oppose each other, so there should= be no net air movement from there. I doubt the volume of air coming out th= e hose is normal, but I am certain the volume of oil is not. It was drippin= g from the filter element. If the air is normal, I suppose I could make a b= affle to reduce the splashed oil into the hose, but I shouldn't need to= change from what the factory made.

Thanks!

<= div>Stan

--000000000000d0b4f2058d94f176-- --===============3878539944390845879== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3878539944390845879==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 02:32:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F27A0DBF for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 02:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63543A0D69 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 02:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id mZuehOWS9n5AFmZuehIuOn; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:31:16 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=wHOfjAqtwNdhFnqMeZQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=IRwIXtYONCs4WVpTuDcA:9 a=mUpfJEaTIqhnGCLF:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1563093076; bh=It5GWiULkyOOrB8dWk9F7h3hSy+iCSUzClxPYvJScfM=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=YSK7God+YYXnwzkxrVvtlJ/5uXIM+EBq9pNBZA+672ZynjTXLaoJChH9Ik8g5YeMj OjirVXAI0SCQslkevJRMT2l4QanxsvyvJgu5bixS6O/IS8snls13oXHGH62Nzb6LkG YvmsQjLh8F1R1qTJCol1/Fve8wdqnCIpRwC7KEJ5OyoV5GUZF/TLyooI0Ke6tH4uKe NWVrmWmsoL7Sj1T7dWTKBvoZJvVx01VNNla4r3wVCkpDkTK1+U9V6GgAqoqpYu8ctH xiS+6mk+khDD6SowlioAl1OkVa7Fxk+i3tJ8TrD3T34slDhDno92xL01C4lKDXF2za zjLvPewHC7qnw== To: "Stan Fickes" , References: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:29:11 +0100 RC4YNlEWTq4Jh5d8t5QIKr52VCluNHreptIl0vyAfmyNBf+vFMMzhLF8FBQTqGDqxQCqLKk6jW6gyQ== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA crankcase ventilation From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5541861587674322608== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53A26.98004360" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53A26.98004360 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IME you should always hear some hissing when putting compressed air into = a cylinder, ring sealing isn't perfect. Removing one plug at a time may show which cylinder or cylinders are at = fault if the pulsing lessens. Air pulsing out of the rocker cover definitely indicates a major = compression leak from somewhere, despite your compression readings. =20 Having said that AFAIK an MGA should also have a 'road draught tube' = hanging down from the front tappet chest cover, which is another route = for air to pass in and out of the crankcase. Perhaps that is blocked. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- kcase ventilation I have an MGA 1600, under 2,000 miles since the engine rebuild. While = working on an unrelated issue, I discovered that the front air filter = was thoroughly soaked in oil. The source was the vent hose between the = air filter and the valve cover. I found significant (to my lack of = experience with this system!) pulsing air blowing through the hose at = idle. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53A26.98004360 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

IME you should always hear some hissing when putting = compressed air into a cylinder, ring sealing isn't perfect.

Removing one plug at a time may show which cylinder = or=20 cylinders are at fault if the pulsing lessens.

Air pulsing out of the rocker cover = definitely indicates=20 a major compression leak from somewhere, despite your compression=20 readings.

Having said that AFAIK an MGA should also have a = 'road draught=20 tube' hanging down from the front tappet chest cover, which is another = route for=20 air to pass in and out of the crankcase. Perhaps that is=20 blocked.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- kcase=20 ventilation

I have an MGA 1600, under 2,000 miles since the engine = rebuild.=20 While working on an unrelated issue, I discovered that the front air = filter=20 was thoroughly soaked in oil. The source was the vent hose between the = air=20 filter and the valve cover. I found significant (to my lack of = experience with=20 this system!) pulsing air blowing through the hose at=20 idle.

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53A26.98004360-- --===============5541861587674322608== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5541861587674322608==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 13:05:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A8EA0F41 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:05:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29333A0EBB for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f48.google.com with SMTP id f4so30762757ioh.6 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:05:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YWKqliCqUm3s8m3IVtJLX3P5t9zGbRT8LWXTGNiXlPM=; b=rmzq1yE9MSRNBe2hYVcGsiGQJ0h7CGWdvIVHNhd+faWtz5tlXi+/IWnl1ORcZ65sXb eZHx5w28PmwEJWYXc7ccWHwX+3AnNgMIQ+EVrs2o0KKCed1fXDf0tQYzDAaipm3GPMrC wCpkUKcaxaPt6RhQshNUYqwEC/MHZThva2XfTe5VBx780cyXCpMGwLyXaWIFo8IzoVlk XE0pKe6iZpNflrRwCNlqZQC61kroUBC1mrI6LX5dewdosTr+mRD1Ur/bMSZHfiZCFRDg ZOc+9zuPUBdWfBU/7QvevExfEBBlvWDU734SIwCfeLOlIGfFP0nSwoNbIwXuVvoHeT21 w4Hw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YWKqliCqUm3s8m3IVtJLX3P5t9zGbRT8LWXTGNiXlPM=; b=o2efUZotI+pqt9OiOIN0Q//bDfrpoYr3gpbBtnO22GpJ25rVnb8REhKpbOGDxBdwJj e3CtmlnN884wPTtrWoYfSqcIMkGEPQ9PVe2xi1Ix0UI8dKyMz9QgMCNgXqBZhWjS02i2 lJ39yp1Rb1tJVAz5a3SoyDmt93RGUI7MyzESzSkcplyno4UOfHNHxfQPNs6pn+FXBC64 BpPOsUjTmDZO+l8qNtEVobaMhcI56A/RYMOhvhCqVIeYD7gUkryzUgmtPDcuwR9qFJ9N 7gd1Jz9u+TCCuSOgaHJGFfW9lzKTjQyDBMJUWTzBmut0sLy3uT5ocRPdsha6P3MJIc3P /6OQ== xys3/fV7A7SZB9JRGBj3aDB446uQYBrsPW+T+yI= Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:05:11 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:05:00 -0400 To: PaulHunt73 Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA crankcase ventilation From: Stan Fickes via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6226857275372117030== --000000000000a5f1fb058da8d2e8 Thanks, Paul! I concluded when I cranked the motor with no plugs installed and still felt the pulsing air that it was not a compression issue. For completeness, I need to try the same thing with the plugs installed, to see if there is a difference. I just can't think what else would pump air into the crankcase/rocker cover! I checked the draught tube this afternoon by squirting some low-pressure air into the rocker cover tube, and felt a gentle stream of air out the bottom. I should also check that with the starter motor turning to see if it's consistent between the two tubes. Thanks! Stan On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:31 AM PaulHunt73 wrote: > IME you should always hear some hissing when putting compressed air into a > cylinder, ring sealing isn't perfect. > > Removing one plug at a time may show which cylinder or cylinders are at > fault if the pulsing lessens. > > Air pulsing out of the rocker cover definitely indicates a major > compression leak from somewhere, despite your compression readings. > > Having said that AFAIK an MGA should also have a 'road draught tube' > hanging down from the front tappet chest cover, which is another route for > air to pass in and out of the crankcase. Perhaps that is blocked. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- kcase ventilation > > I have an MGA 1600, under 2,000 miles since the engine rebuild. While > working on an unrelated issue, I discovered that the front air filter was > thoroughly soaked in oil. The source was the vent hose between the air > filter and the valve cover. I found significant (to my lack of experience > with this system!) pulsing air blowing through the hose at idle. > > --000000000000a5f1fb058da8d2e8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Paul!

I concluded when I cranked the motor wit= h no plugs installed and still felt the pulsing air that it was not a compr= ession issue. For completeness, I need to try the same thing with the plugs= installed, to see if there is a difference. I just can't think what el= se would pump air into the crankcase/rocker cover! I checked the draught tu= be this afternoon by squirting some low-pressure air into the rocker cover = tube, and felt a gentle stream of air out the bottom. I should also check t= hat with the starter motor turning to see if it's consistent between th= e two tubes.

Thanks!

Stan

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at = 4:31 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com> wrote:

IME you should always hear some hissing when putting= =20 compressed air into a cylinder, ring sealing isn't perfect.
=C2=A0

Removing one plug at a time may show which cylinder o= r=20 cylinders are at fault if the pulsing lessens.

=C2=A0

Air pulsing out of the rocker cover definitely=C2=A0i= ndicates=20 a major compression leak from somewhere, despite your compression=20 readings.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Having said that AFAIK an MGA should also have a '= ;road draught=20 tube' hanging down from the front tappet chest cover, which is another = route for=20 air to pass in and out of the crankcase.=C2=A0 Perhaps that is=20 blocked.

=C2=A0

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- kcase=20 ventilation

I have an MGA 1600, under 2,000 miles since the engine r= ebuild.=20 While working on an unrelated issue, I discovered that the front air filt= er=20 was thoroughly soaked in oil. The source was the vent hose between the ai= r=20 filter and the valve cover. I found significant (to my lack of experience= with=20 this system!) pulsing air blowing through the hose at=20 idle.

--000000000000a5f1fb058da8d2e8-- --===============6226857275372117030== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6226857275372117030==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 04:50:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46722A1689 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 04:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E14A0F2D for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 04:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id myVPhUlmsn5AFmyVQhK2wF; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:46:53 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=zNA36UxFCJ2FiyMUy-wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=NcN59idvAAAA:8 a=OvCq8uWut-kp2XseA5cA:9 a=vZtlxNe2k_miMxGX:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 s=meg.feb2017; t=1563187613; bh=sMLBwwW15bKqXwg+AJM3dzTeWrwSKmYW/5DbydRsAIg=; h=From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date; b=Zk/6cIVM4tb0sAVmtwse+8pITtFIc0iSxxSbuG/ZoO0eXfu4xX7iJH9bCqGaW4MKb lfGLidYgVVq9JM6/FS8E3ZyXbpFhWvD58B02GpOR5O3b7cYAVlLJBr+JDVs3VSzX3e 0G/wkwLi0vGS1rgNRzWLefs9Eqyy499UteH+3ty/6iO7G5HKoBoqOX5tQ7Y1L4hR0N RQyhg5UiW5McfGq5oB+8J0NhQSxBKbVfoa+ppbRNTu8fQiYQE1sgH2kmdYiK6hV3IV j+KMDduugoqJjTE+Mc4T8OplHYwY0DBxT1G+tNpK0+mPnGEBMYqjuoR79SGm8RyKp3 AB+Pog0mqy5NA== To: "Stan Fickes" References: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:41:59 +0100 JXJDqttdoE0R9duzNDBqF+lQ3mG8XwbI8/mHDlVzqGqCWNLOjKRNuX7f+wPaEkowKc6ch++f7EQhTw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA crankcase ventilation From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3111081602938785115== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BCD_01D53B02.4FF6B7C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BCD_01D53B02.4FF6B7C0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it's not compression leaking then I can't think what would cause = excessive pulsing out of the breathers. Except ... Although two pistons are going down while the other two are going up, = the movement is not symmetrical. Don't ask me to explain the physical = logic behind it, but when the crank has turned 90 degrees from TDC the = piston has moved more than halfway down the stroke, and from that = position to BDC the piston moves less than half the stroke. So for that = 90 degrees of crank movement the undersides of the pistons coming down = the first 'half' of the stroke are displacing more air than the ones = going up can 'absorb' so you get a positive pressure, but for the second = half of the strokes the situation is reversed to give a slight negative = pressure. But on my MGB - different crankcase ventilation system but = still two routes in and out of the crankcase - I can seal off one and I = get no more than a slight fluttering in the other. Maybe the problem is not so much excessive pulsing, with you expecting = there to be no movement in the breather at all, but excessive oil in the = rocker cover around the vent. The road-draught system is pretty hit and = miss as to which way air will flow through the crankcase, and I wouldn't = have though that suck unfiltered air in from the road-draught tube was a = Good Thing, but if the intake can suck air through the rocker cover tube = at any time, then it will draw oil along with it. The question is why = there should be enough negative pressure on that tube to do it. I don't = know about the MGA but on the MGB that tube is on the 'dirty' side of = the filter, which in theory shouldn't be under significant negative = pressure, unlike the 'clean' side of the filter at wide throttle = openings. Unless the intake to the can is restricted somehow. But if = the tube is connected to the clean side of the filter then the intake = system will be continually sucking air through the tube, and any oil = droplets that are in the vicinity. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stan Fickes=20 To: PaulHunt73=20 Cc: mgs@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA crankcase ventilation Thanks, Paul! I concluded when I cranked the motor with no plugs installed and still = felt the pulsing air that it was not a compression issue. For = completeness, I need to try the same thing with the plugs installed, to = see if there is a difference. I just can't think what else would pump = air into the crankcase/rocker cover! I checked the draught tube this = afternoon by squirting some low-pressure air into the rocker cover tube, = and felt a gentle stream of air out the bottom. I should also check that = with the starter motor turning to see if it's consistent between the two = tubes. Thanks! Stan ------=_NextPart_000_0BCD_01D53B02.4FF6B7C0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

If it's not compression leaking then I can't think = what would=20 cause excessive pulsing out of the breathers. Except = ...

Although two pistons are going down while the = other two=20 are going up, the movement is not symmetrical. Don't ask me to = explain the=20 physical logic behind it, but when the crank has turned 90=20 degrees from TDC the piston has moved more = than halfway=20 down the stroke, and from that position to BDC the = piston moves less=20 than half the stroke. So for that 90 degrees of crank movement the = undersides of the pistons coming down the first 'half' of the=20 stroke are displacing more air than the ones going up can = 'absorb' so you get a positive pressure, but for the second half of the = strokes=20 the situation is reversed to give a slight negative pressure. But = on my=20 MGB - different crankcase ventilation system but still two routes in and = out of=20 the crankcase - I can seal off one and I get no more than a slight = fluttering in=20 the other.

Maybe the problem is not so much excessive pulsing, = with you=20 expecting there to be no movement in the breather at all, but excessive = oil in=20 the rocker cover around the vent. The road-draught system is=20 pretty hit and miss as to which way air will flow through the = crankcase,=20 and I wouldn't have though that suck unfiltered air in from the = road-draught=20 tube was a Good Thing, but if the intake can suck air through the rocker = cover=20 tube at any time, then it will draw oil along with it. The = question is why=20 there should be enough negative pressure on that tube to do it. I = don't=20 know about the MGA but on the MGB that tube is on the 'dirty' side = of the=20 filter, which in theory shouldn't be under significant negative = pressure, unlike=20 the 'clean' side of the filter at wide throttle openings. Unless = the=20 intake to the can is restricted somehow. But if the tube is = connected to=20 the clean side of the filter then the intake system will be continually = sucking=20 air through the tube, and any oil droplets that are in the=20 vicinity.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Stan = Fickes=20

To: PaulHunt73

Cc: mgs@autox.team.net

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 = 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA = crankcase=20 ventilation

Thanks, Paul!

I concluded when I cranked the motor with no plugs installed and = still=20 felt the pulsing air that it was not a compression issue. For = completeness, I=20 need to try the same thing with the plugs installed, to see if there = is a=20 difference. I just can't think what else would pump air into the=20 crankcase/rocker cover! I checked the draught tube this afternoon by = squirting=20 some low-pressure air into the rocker cover tube, and felt a gentle = stream of=20 air out the bottom. I should also check that with the starter motor = turning to=20 see if it's consistent between the two tubes.

Thanks!

Stan

= ------=_NextPart_000_0BCD_01D53B02.4FF6B7C0-- --===============3111081602938785115== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3111081602938785115==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 17 13:46:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AF0A1BEB for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from torfep01.bell.net (unknown [184.150.200.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2322BA10B3; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:45:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bell.net torfep01 184.150.200.158 by torfep01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190717194551.HLVB4584.torfep01.bell.net@torspm01.bell.net>; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:45:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (really [76.66.122.100]) by torspm01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190717194551.LBCZ39285.torspm01.bell.net@[192.168.2.11]>; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:45:51 -0400 To: MGB List , MGB V8 List Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:45:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:117 a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:17 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=gpzxpRVqtkdbOtpErbkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BfFpxE-qSmmPFLiyWcQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 EwxAG+L55G1QasX2MWjdXMGVW3fcOpnCgDevceIuoQpYoI/YZ02Mlk+kAQO7KGDr1SE0OXJRNXjoR+OA2ip5dblMMqK1W30Igh4= Subject: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4895547380134988943== boundary="------------3E4DC1CDAB7616C51871618E" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3E4DC1CDAB7616C51871618E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello folks, After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the battery is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the battery's problem? I did have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was after that that the battery went flat. So any tips on how to find out what is going on would be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will try to disconnect the radio but that is a pain - I have to find the special tool to slip it out !!!! But surely if the radio is off (blank screen) it should be /off./ By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted antenna cannot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to because they do not have adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can get them inside my car !!!!! Cheers Barrie --------------3E4DC1CDAB7616C51871618E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello folks,

After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the battery is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the battery's problem? I did have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was after that that the battery went flat. So any tips on how to find out what is going on would be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will try to disconnect the radio but that is a pain - I have to find the special tool to slip it out !!!! But surely if the radio is off (blank screen) it should be off. By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted antenna cannot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to because they do not have adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can get them inside my car !!!!!

Cheers
Barrie
--------------3E4DC1CDAB7616C51871618E-- --===============4895547380134988943== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4895547380134988943==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 01:41:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B54EA1998 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FECA194A for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id o12Phkrufn5AFo12RhO3lp; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:41:16 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=aFL0hS3s1kYBBPMxD0oA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tpnNaELm5YNjf0B9Zq0A:9 a=nVuBo_D2WPcM_UEr:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1563435676; bh=isRRPMUuqxbFLnEEfNnFUvEEngNkBUjkfYryZ1Hp7GE=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=Z8+YdfxyY2hBBwXi599kNFeVXF1QDYDXRzgcLQGtyqbNpSszUxznyrcpYVBgzbYJH xSWHkzwkePMqDeWyzJseDL+VIv9fEYv6T8hHnedgc5JYmqVTK8vhXYmRED0VV/CB7D LSyeenitHWQwq20OIUIG4cAW9obigSFlai/EKCbohrV0BgvhrSnMS3L4ouKEsFqnk9 oOTclhkupedik5F7kifCFMh0LCrMoZ16TKCZlgodIxaGz/ixRBMpkR0L0j3Mr1YPH8 ZsZdLcEzCV35sIURj/Y8j2RyKQ6LGkDmXGlmTBO3CXveKZMS6x7nZ4X3f6htwRx5Zs bFp7gNpSKc4Dw== To: "Barrie Robinson" , "MGB List" , "MGB V8 List" References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:27:20 +0100 TUDh8MKDbTzCw/qSmReXfOzPuLA93V5CIw3ZehYGD0fqF/HOKXKCa3XwD31sCpYPRu+qIDkCl0mmvWQqLmIaHRuYHQRwbbbnPJ8kIs5+AcuPECWgBT4XOVjs Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6596705069164480838== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01D53D42.9DEE1760" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01D53D42.9DEE1760 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a significant drain, even with alarm, radio and clock it should = last for 2-3 weeks. Your battery voltage off-car seems OK, but that is not a good indication = of the amount of charge i.e. cranking power. If you put it back on the = car after three days and it cranked OK that does indicate the battery = itself is OK - up to a point. However the Lucas Fault Diagnosis Manual states that if a battery = becomes 25% discharged then the on-board charging systems will never get = it back to full capacity, and if it has become completely discharged = they will never put back more than 50% capacity. For that reason a = flattened battery has to be boost charged for a period to restore full = capacity. Using a conventional charger this means charging at 16-17v = for a couple of hours in a well ventilated space. Or you can use one of = the more sophisticated 'maintenance' chargers but only if they have a = 'recovery' program, and not all do. These charge using pulses of up to = 20v. But back to the drain. If you have an analogue meter switch to its 12v = i.e. VOLTS range and connect it in place of the battery earth lead. = With no drains on a car with an alternator you should see a few volts = registered. If it shows 12v there is a drain. In that case the first = thing to do is unplug the alternator, and if the drain drops to zero = that is the culprit. With the few volts registered unplugging the = alternator should also drop it to zero. But if still at 12v start = disconnecting things like your radio, the purple circuit fuse, remove = browns from things like the ignition switch, lighting switch, starter = relay, hazard fuse and so on, looking at the meter each time. If still = there remove the browns from the starter solenoid, and finally the = battery cable from the solenoid, but normally it will have been = discovered by now. You can also do this with a digital meter but they are far more = sensitive and will show 12v even with just the normal alternator = leakage, and may not fully drop to zero with that disconnected if there = is dampness anywhere. PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the = battery is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery = out, charged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on = Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that = it is the battery's problem? ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01D53D42.9DEE1760 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

That's a significant drain, even with alarm, radio = and clock=20 it should last for 2-3 weeks.

Your battery voltage off-car seems OK, but that is = not a good=20 indication of the amount of charge i.e. cranking power. If you put = it back=20 on the car after three days and it cranked OK that does indicate the = battery=20 itself is OK - up to a point.

However the Lucas Fault Diagnosis Manual states that = if a=20 battery becomes 25% discharged then the on-board charging systems will = never get=20 it back to full capacity, and if it has become completely discharged = they will=20 never put back more than 50% capacity. For that reason a flattened = battery=20 has to be boost charged for a period to restore full capacity. = Using a=20 conventional charger this means charging at 16-17v for a couple of hours = in a=20 well ventilated space. Or you can use one of the more = sophisticated=20 'maintenance' chargers but only if they have a 'recovery' program, and = not all=20 do. These charge using pulses of up to 20v.

But back to the drain. If you have an analogue = meter=20 switch to its 12v i.e. VOLTS range and connect it in place of the = battery earth=20 lead. With no drains on a car with an alternator you should see a = few=20 volts registered. If it shows 12v there is a drain. In that = case the=20 first thing to do is unplug the alternator, and if the drain drops to = zero that=20 is the culprit. With the few volts registered unplugging the = alternator=20 should also drop it to zero. But if still at 12v start disconnecting things like your radio, the purple circuit = fuse,=20 remove browns from things like the ignition switch, lighting switch, = starter=20 relay, hazard fuse and so on, looking at the meter each time. If = still=20 there remove the browns from the starter solenoid, and finally the = battery cable=20 from the solenoid, but normally it will have been discovered by=20 now.

You can also do this with a digital meter but they = are far=20 more sensitive and will show 12v even with just the normal alternator = leakage,=20 and may not fully drop to zero with that disconnected if there is = dampness=20 anywhere.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- =

After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few = days - maybe=20 4 or 5 I find the battery is completely flat. Did that 3=20 times. So I took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 = days. =20 The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday = which=20 does not seem to indicate that it is the battery's=20 problem?

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01D53D42.9DEE1760-- --===============6596705069164480838== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6596705069164480838==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 11:08:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3603BA1AFC for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF01FA1A82; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:08:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f48.google.com with SMTP id w20so31087280edd.2; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZhnoT+0IgXvpNv7szTvOtUbXZn4k59PiyVyGQnViAVQ=; b=r605Rl1VS2Ex0vZXgHegxPwlHCkNt5eDcm2RpLmjg/Nl/UOr/bWjjNqLVOJSVO1RxU 0vHG/43WZQWVLw+DfEohJXJ1xc6aBWQoJOs4AyXDK2Yp7I4wWS/jRf+Tt74A3aKQmQ2B +eCpEBKeaus9sINxlws0ddfDRxeMSPuSv/DsvMDfOT5vX+vK2M7hoqQ+GCB1jX3b7Cxc C9sddlWIkGa1Sa86bcvNbPVEbKEGUHiaPWqDR6JYW3wMmwq8ZdvJfinnIoOpHz8vKz6L 535a+5tp0VrrCJ1uxPbBKBjn/s34DGPEaENFYNTafDF2+Tvr7XJsMxI+dd+EASfKQIcR biFg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZhnoT+0IgXvpNv7szTvOtUbXZn4k59PiyVyGQnViAVQ=; b=GXhHbb7hKyHwCAm/4jAwnWrm60W7o7j55g6OqOnIynawcUT1VzhDj3ThnavKEY9b6D kCMzwdUyE6/budSN7s6dLq+0YH+ogM0hIzR0HR7NXkvhmXNSaHrtI4r1fh8MkJe+ofy5 kIHBZI+QpEz5BaYC0+yZFvR2Lf9I4xlMWCteQmaAYfErLooLek+GHfiV+l2R/ZHeCPFx spCx+K5kfLyuqF9zRjVs8Be0LXhTMK8OlulV/fdj70U9bAxOspOSQc8c7htqwdkffR0a SZh00zicMaJqzXkoy/NxhDkR10F2NV2bJJeNSxUHHTYo4asPHJSlRoZLXXsQiXIJspxb NEAQ== JTgtTR7CLjU7jL6oqVeHtzZxsnkP4aGWsz02NuQ= Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:08:17 -0700 To: Barrie Robinson Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: i erbs via Mgs Cc: MGB V8 List , mglist Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4123522946783216657== --0000000000009f37de058df7a8ac Try undoing the last thing you did. Disconect the radio and see if the drain stops. Ira Erbs Portland, OR typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 12:46 PM Barrie Robinson via Mgs wrote: > Hello folks, > > After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the > battery is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery out, > charged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday > 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the > battery's problem? I did have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was > after that that the battery went flat. So any tips on how to find out > what is going on would be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will > try to disconnect the radio but that is a pain - I have to find the special > tool to slip it out !!!! But surely if the radio is off (blank screen) it > should be *off.* By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted > antenna cannot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to > because they do not have adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can > get them inside my car !!!!! > > Cheers > Barrie > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com > --0000000000009f37de058df7a8ac Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try undoing the last thing you did. Disconect the radio a= nd see if the drain stops.=C2=A0

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of my ph= one

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 12:46 PM Barrie Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =20 =20 =20

Hello folks,

After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5=C2=A0 I fi= nd the battery is completely flat.=C2=A0 Did that 3 times.=C2=A0 So I = took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 days.=C2=A0 The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the battery's problem?=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I did have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was after that that the battery went flat.=C2=A0=C2=A0 So any tips on how to find out w= hat is going on would be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will try to disconnect the radio but that is a pain - I have to find the special tool to slip it out !!!!=C2=A0=C2=A0 But surely if= the radio is off (blank screen) it should be off. By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted antenna cannot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to because they do not have adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can get them inside my car !!!!!

Cheers
Barrie

--0000000000009f37de058df7a8ac-- --===============4123522946783216657== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4123522946783216657==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 14:33:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFABA1A35 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (unknown [213.75.39.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1011A1862 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews10.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.177]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:33:24 +0200 te;BM:NotScanned;FinalVerdict:Clean a=dZ5u/0G9QtS9WKCcNUBnHQ==:117 a=dZ5u/0G9QtS9WKCcNUBnHQ==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=Dw3TkDNEjRgA:10 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=xaiKEJbdH87UtAwRbiMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=r1j4ZuemQ7XoaEse18oA:9 a=Txm0KfeyC31-4SWE:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl ([195.121.84.13]) by cpsps-ews10.kpnxchange.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.5.9600.16384); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:33:24 +0200 h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=UB6v1SQoaD+XYdrXUK/AQuZfRfIX7rYbt6gWs8mpONM=; b=ug76cVxKufWz0hUQVsGBk/Tl7V7RThA5+0R8Eb1P9RkvEhlJyFluybJQBPxpVO5YziVvLmwi5jaAX IpRWStJKT9oymGvPt6igxP5//ZfapJo7qBcZuIr6B0eL0TeME0fl72MrdV2yEVg+bTrTvY6uEJq+tb F63UobdaB11rDe68= Received: from HLaptopPC (unknown [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTP id 4ddc434e-a99b-11e9-aa6d-005056998788; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:33:30 +0200 (CEST) To: References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:33:23 +0200 Content-Language: nl Thread-Index: AQDs0gCAF6z8EWXebx1a+nRVN6SSEKihq53wgAAAZzA= FILETIME=[0C08A1B0:01D53DA8] Subject: [Mgs] FW: Battery drain From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4168341382795589862== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01D53DB8.CF5B4680" Content-Language: nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01D53DB8.CF5B4680 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had this some years ago. Proved to be leaky diodes in the rectifier block in the alternator. So I took the alternator to the shop for an overhaul. Works fine for years now. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT NRG Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Barrie Robinson via Mgs= Verzonden: woensdag 17 juli 2019 21:46 Aan: MGB List; MGB V8 List Onderwerp: [Mgs] Battery drain Hello folks, After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the batter= y is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery out, charge= d it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 1= 2.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the battery'= s problem? I did have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was after that= that the battery went flat. So any tips on how to find out what is going= on would be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will try to disconn= ect the radio but that is a pain - I have to find the special tool to slip = it out !!!! But surely if the radio is off (blank screen) it should be of= f. By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted antenna cannot bri= ng in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to because they do not h= ave adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can get them inside my ca= r !!!!! Cheers Barrie --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.= https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01D53DB8.CF5B4680 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had this some = years ago.

P= roved to be leaky diodes in the rectifier block in the alternator.

So I took the alterna= tor to the shop for an overhaul.

= Works fine for years now.

Cheers,

Hans 71 BGT NRG

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@a= utox.team.net] Namens Barrie Robinson via Mgs
Verzonden: w= oensdag 17 juli 2019 21:46
Aan: MGB List; MGB V8 List
Onder= werp: [Mgs] Battery drain

Hello folks,

After leaving= my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the battery is com= pletely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery out, char= ged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3= pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the b= attery's problem? I did have a radio fitted but cannot sa= y if it was after that that the battery went flat. So any tips = on how to find out what is going on would be appreciated (and thank you in = advance) - I will try to disconnect the radio but that is a pain - I have t= o find the special tool to slip it out !!!! But surely if the r= adio is off (blank screen) it should be off. By the way my new $$$$$= radio with windscreen mounted antenna cannot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, th= e only stations I listen to because they do not have adverts.......but my c= heap $ new portable one can get them inside my car !!!!!

Cheers
B= arrie

Virusv= rij. www.avast.com

------=_NextPart_000_0063_01D53DB8.CF5B4680-- --===============4168341382795589862== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4168341382795589862==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 14:46:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7D8A1A79 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:46:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omta014.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.164.127.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8C4A1A43 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:45:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.210]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id o4AAhV7W2wCEUoDHohvnyc; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:45:57 +0000 Received: from app-11.app.iad.rs.oxcs.net ([146.20.112.67]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id oDHnhfQEUQvl0oDHohimI7; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:45:56 +0000 a=IN5e7ORV7WapKVHgxEPmgA==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=tgRV95DjfvsA:10 a=kryJYHTHeEcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=F0_C8lZI7mBfUWw8pZIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=dZtujYeCUXKvD8HvYzEA:9 a=x8Fkjevfz-DMbS3N:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:45:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Hans Duinhoven , Hans Duinhoven via Mgs References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> Importance: Medium htauII+1YUfIJLXvZBzgeGhlME6/Wm8xFg6WVH3dQ5WaNplq+0Of+su2kaK1yLExeC9lLZFeg73ncI0IeICN85xaEfStfreOr7Q= Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: Battery drain From: NA Price via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1932515483861620798== boundary="----=_Part_49017_271152890.1563482755857" ------=_Part_49017_271152890.1563482755857 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > > > > I had this some years ago. > > Proved to be leaky diodes in the rectifier block in the alternator. > > So I took the alternator to the shop for an overhaul. > > Works fine for years now. > > > > Cheers, > > Hans 71 BGT NRG > > > > Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Barrie Robinson via Mgs > Verzonden: woensdag 17 juli 2019 21:46 > Aan: MGB List; MGB V8 List > Onderwerp: [Mgs] Battery drain > > > > Hello folks, > > After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5 I find the battery is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So I took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that it is the battery's problem? I did have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was after that that the battery went flat. So any tips on how to find out what is going on would be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will try to disconnect the radio but that is a pain - I have to find the special tool to slip it out !!!! But surely if the radio is off (blank screen) it should be off. By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted antenna cannot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to because they do not have adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can get them inside my car !!!!! > > Cheers > Barrie > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > Virusvrij. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.net > ------=_Part_49017_271152890.1563482755857 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering = the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had a proble= m again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinh= oven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Proved to be leaky diodes in the rectifier block in the alte= rnator.
So I t= ook the alternator to the shop for an overhaul.
Works fine for years now.

Cheers,
Hans 71 BGT NRG

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Name= ns Barrie Robinson via Mgs
Verzonden: woensdag= 17 juli 2019 21:46
Aan: MGB List; MGB V8 List
Onderwerp: [Mgs] Battery drain

Hell= o folks,

After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5= 60; I find the battery is completely flat. Did that 3 times. So= I took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 days. The voltage dr= opped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem= to indicate that it is the battery's problem? I did = have a radio fitted but cannot say if it was after that that the battery we= nt flat. So any tips on how to find out what is going on would = be appreciated (and thank you in advance) - I will try to disconnect the ra= dio but that is a pain - I have to find the special tool to slip it out !!!= ! But surely if the radio is off (blank screen) it should be off. By the way my new $$$$$ radio with windscreen mounted antenna c= annot bring in 91.5FM or 99.1FM, the only stations I listen to because they= do not have adverts.......but my cheap $ new portable one can get them ins= ide my car !!!!!

Cheers
Barrie

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=20 ------=_Part_49017_271152890.1563482755857-- --===============1932515483861620798== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1932515483861620798==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 15:15:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8168A1B3A for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986DFA0A0C for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6ILFMDe024333 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:15:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:15:22 -0700 References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1664613127112100208== boundary="Apple-Mail=_5ECD0272-F9C4-4BAD-8B14-E2C233BB61B4" --Apple-Mail=_5ECD0272-F9C4-4BAD-8B14-E2C233BB61B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk = lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs = wrote:=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5ECD0272-F9C4-4BAD-8B14-E2C233BB61B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the = problem=E2=80=A6

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'66 MGB

On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

mine was a simple fix, my trunk light = stayed when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, = never had a problem again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven = via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

= --Apple-Mail=_5ECD0272-F9C4-4BAD-8B14-E2C233BB61B4-- --===============1664613127112100208== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1664613127112100208==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 15:29:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298BFA1BCC for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (unknown [213.75.39.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7509BA1A64 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:28:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 23:28:49 +0200 te;BM:NotScanned;FinalVerdict:Clean a=ShNidqeCEQB33TAKUUzslw==:117 a=ShNidqeCEQB33TAKUUzslw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=Dw3TkDNEjRgA:10 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=zJSPywdPp6arQCOoGZIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xupg4knwUDYA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=mgMrOp3xV8To-18R7aYA:9 a=yl6_PE9f3z6v5jVC:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl ([195.121.84.11]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.5.9600.16384); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 23:28:49 +0200 h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=3LHblcJklX540CVE7nRSyAZ84SnISmM0Qd+nTbpSz74=; b=od8Yep9CKn3qrBN0irvFSEiJBTwY+aVS0gzJOnkrYBP7UK2m0xuGfzFHy9d4jMRfR0/RpP5+eCMCm 89U6UsdT5EX6CP1UJX8E/+F1Trq+J+WXj3qz6MOKRyTGiW/XAqTiYkvNtQqQjDsIMYBWYIxHBr/5X3 b4gIHUtxyqBCVews= Received: from HLaptopPC (unknown [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTP id 02e2318e-a9a3-11e9-b2e4-00505699b758; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 23:28:42 +0200 (CEST) To: "'Max Heim'" References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 23:28:46 +0200 Content-Language: nl Thread-Index: AQDs0gCAF6z8EWXebx1a+nRVN6SSEAKZ7ja9AenDGqoB9NN4Sqht9y6g FILETIME=[C9E5F640:01D53DAF] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8517570762047236008== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01D53DC0.8CE91B80" Content-Language: nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D53DC0.8CE91B80 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 Aan: MG List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on= took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrot= e: --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.= https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D53DC0.8CE91B80 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Fl= intstone=E2=80=A6

C= heers,
Hans=
<= /o:p>
Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounc= es@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: dond= erdag 18 juli 2019 23:15
Aan: MG List
Onderwerp: Re: [M= gs] Battery drain

Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symp= tom if not the problem=E2=80=A6

--
=
Max Heim<= o:p>
'66 MGB

On Jul 18, 2019, = at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@= autox.team.net> wrote:

mine was a simple fix, my trunk light sta= yed when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never = had a problem again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Virusv= rij. www.avast.com

=
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D53DC0.8CE91B80-- --===============8517570762047236008== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8517570762047236008==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 16:32:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A56A1A40 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from omta012.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.164.127.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37ABA17B5 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cxr.smtp.a.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.17.148]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id oAwahnValfIScoEwyh12ru; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:32:32 +0000 Received: from app-8.app.iad.rs.oxcs.net ([146.20.112.67]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id oEwxhOwUm5o3coEwxhGJKX; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:32:31 +0000 a=IN5e7ORV7WapKVHgxEPmgA==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=tgRV95DjfvsA:10 a=kryJYHTHeEcA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=-YdkbizIumX9vVuuCaQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=_ASIS6Jv5Z1E93UftScA:9 a=AJmRAPTHWWOtppSk:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Hans Duinhoven , Hans Duinhoven via Mgs , Max Heim References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> <008e01d53daf$c95f8830$5c1e9890$@planet.nl> Importance: Medium /VxsgunI+MyYkVlReVzk+SjwzAwm0/N/QpQa/joubtz7K6eyh4ebPxUTjKpHIu+yrZvSKr/4ZVOhtE3tFametXNk8sGKhCTbxiwpSVxXsAduiznQ3Gwudufq aSOoSUSDjK6pAQH8OZ4HDw== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: NA Price via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6922592262904076571== boundary="----=_Part_53813_377261950.1563489151075" ------=_Part_53813_377261950.1563489151075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bulb= holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my neig= hbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, you= can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a dail= y driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two every mo= nth or so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all three cars. St= ill love all three the same > On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs w= rote: >=20 >=20 > Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80= =A6 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Hans >=20 > =20 >=20 > Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs > Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 > Aan: MG List > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain >=20 > =20 >=20 > Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 >=20 > =20 >=20 > -- >=20 > Max Heim >=20 > '66 MGB >=20 > =20 >=20 > > >=20 > > On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the = trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again = =20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrote: > >=20 > > >=20 > =20 >=20 > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dlink= &utm_campaign=3Dsig-email&utm_content=3Demailclient >=20 > Virusvrij. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium= =3Demail&utm_source=3Dlink&utm_campaign=3Dsig-email&utm_content=3Demailclie= nt >=20 =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/arch= ive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.ne= t >=20 =20 ------=_Part_53813_377261950.1563489151075 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, ju= st bend the bulb holder down a little, now just last week I left my h= eadlights on, my neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the batter= y and off I went, you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I g= ot 3 B's one I drive as a daily driver the other two are sitting in a g= arage, I drive those two every month or so. I always find myself doin= g stupid things with all three cars. Still love all three the same
On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven = via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Same = as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone…
=

Cheers,
Hans

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@= autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzond= en: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15
Aan: MG List<= br>Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain

Well, that’s fixing the symptom if not the problem…=

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Max Heim =
'66 MGB

On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrot= e:

mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed= when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had= a problem again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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=20 ------=_Part_53813_377261950.1563489151075-- --===============6922592262904076571== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6922592262904076571==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 18 18:04:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC093A0D4E for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50385A0C22 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6J041ol004804 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:04:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:04:01 -0700 References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> <008e01d53daf$c95f8830$5c1e9890$@planet.nl> <1659734447.53814.1563489151080@myemail.cox.net> <7C481659-7B88-4CBC-B416-DBCD023EBC10@gmail.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5721758039858225752== boundary="Apple-Mail=_D86412F9-D20B-4D67-A5C2-DADA1A971E31" --Apple-Mail=_D86412F9-D20B-4D67-A5C2-DADA1A971E31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Not all of us. My newer driver is 1967. So my routine in the B is, whenever I park, I look at the toggle = switches to check they are all facing the same way: OFF. BTW that is a great user interface feature of the cars of this era (up = to the late 60s), that has been lost in modern instrument panels =E2=80=94= you can tell all the switches are off at a glance. In most modern cars, = every function has a completely different interface design = (push/pull/rock/twist) in a different location =E2=80=94 you HAVE to = have a warning lamp or buzzer or it would be hopeless. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 18, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Robert's New iPad = wrote: >=20 > We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or = flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they = automatically shut off the lights. > A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals = are flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. =20 > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs =20 >> lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend = the bulb holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights = on, my neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and = off I went, you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one = I drive as a daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I = drive those two every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid = things with all three cars. Still love all three the same >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs = >>>=20 >>> Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6= >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> Cheers, >>>=20 >>> Hans >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net = >>> Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 >>> Aan: MG List >>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> -- >>>=20 >>> Max Heim >>>=20 >>> '66 MGB >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs >>=20 >>> =20 >>> mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk = lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs = >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> = Virusvrij. www.avast.com = >> =20 >>=20 >>> _______________________________________________=20 >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = =20 >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75=20 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = =20 >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.net = =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_D86412F9-D20B-4D67-A5C2-DADA1A971E31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Not all of us. My newer driver is 1967.

So my routine in the B is, whenever I = park, I look at the toggle switches to check they are all facing the = same way: OFF.

BTW that is a great user interface feature of the cars of = this era (up to the late 60s), that has been lost in modern instrument = panels =E2=80=94 you can tell all the switches are off at a glance. In = most modern cars, every function has a completely different interface = design (push/pull/rock/twist) in a different location =E2=80=94 you HAVE = to have a warning lamp or buzzer or it would be hopeless.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Jul 18, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> = wrote:

We are = all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or flashing light = to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatically shut off = the lights.
A small = buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are flashing, is = easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition.
Bob

On Jul 18, = 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

lol, u r all right, = I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bulb holder down a = little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my neighbor = told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, you = can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as = a daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive = those two every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid things = with all three cars. Still love all three the same

On July 18, 2019 at = 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Same as = a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 =
=
Cheers, =
Hans
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Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15
Aan: MG List
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain =

Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the = symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price = via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

mine was = a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on took = the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again =

n = July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

Virusvrij. www.avast.com
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= --Apple-Mail=_D86412F9-D20B-4D67-A5C2-DADA1A971E31-- --===============5721758039858225752== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5721758039858225752==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 03:49:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCD9A0E21 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 03:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741B2A0DC0 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 03:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id oPVqhs6t8n5AFoPVqhPOOj; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:49:14 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=1d4QKyJJ-eeMM6Ejx1cA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=atCdLMLcV8qrDeQ9JRoA:9 a=tGQm50GSYfzRRQMi:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1563529754; bh=H2jiL7XETU70Z43ciIHd/ySao/oReq851sWIivMX2E4=; h=From:To:References:Subject:Date; b=SQTnGKRoHIJnva2BnXBzGgzMftKbRukI2eMQyLiH5jBTA3ZpCUWkoYsPnVcX6A68N Fu96bf29vMnOTa1lJR5N2EA/k2UIja46SFOfqOxfbaLYno595rO34HfZoBVGoKRkrw DOxmOs21xKcdHLKSH6vI+XggKySI4Tct9oc+ujVr8Jy/CCDsA1znuX735OOBcCNabC r0nyKwhe1NfHQaMXLklbiIG5UK44QcVKgpqfYKS4/oJZ1LwH7fZhXozUo9sL+ege/4 Pq1D5+O7gDKfU8Ay7OJTrOPKREVaagX/1EBo1o6E7cCv+1Uya+d7FJ+f2B0LHaxBYq 2xgBu5y0PBLrA== To: "MG List" References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> <008e01d53daf$c95f8830$5c1e9890$@planet.nl> <1659734447.53814.1563489151080@myemail.cox.net> <7C481659-7B88-4CBC-B416-DBCD023EBC10@gmail.com> <9D593E07-27E0-4570-AA8B-0787E00693B0@sonic.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:48:55 +0100 bkaeXdiXEucIT7bQbl2blk8CsDl5I0ijVO/TB6VjrpTZygPTrLvVxyjY Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8921002736810258224== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01D53E0E.CC4E85A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01D53E0E.CC4E85A0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easier to miss rocker switches, I fitted a warning buzzer to the V8 when = it was my daily driver. More logical is to wire it between the parking light circuit and the = door switch for the interior light as per 'modern' usage. Needs a = series diode or you get a small reverse drain from the interior light = circuit to the parking lights, and it can also be made to operate off = the drivers door only. ----- Original Message -----=20 =E2=80=94 you HAVE to have a warning lamp or buzzer or it would be = hopeless. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01D53E0E.CC4E85A0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

Easier to miss rocker switches, I fitted a warning = buzzer=20 to the V8 when it was my daily driver.

More logical is to wire it between the parking light = circuit=20 and the door switch for the interior light as per 'modern' usage. = Needs a=20 series diode or you get a small reverse drain from the interior = light=20 circuit to the parking lights, and it can also be made to operate off = the=20 drivers door only.

----- Original Message -----

=E2=80=94=20 you HAVE to have a warning lamp or buzzer or it would be = hopeless.

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I've left it on several times when putting on the Aux power to look at the odometer, and left it on overnight. There is a chime if you are using the drivers door, but if you go in through the passenger door and hit the button to turn on the aux power, nothing. Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:04 PM Max Heim via Mgs wrote= : > Not all of us. My newer driver is 1967. > > So my routine in the B is, whenever I park, I look at the toggle switches > to check they are all facing the same way: OFF. > > BTW that is a great user interface feature of the cars of this era (up to > the late 60s), that has been lost in modern instrument panels =E2=80=94 y= ou can > tell all the switches are off at a glance. In most modern cars, every > function has a completely different interface design (push/pull/rock/twis= t) > in a different location =E2=80=94 you HAVE to have a warning lamp or buzz= er or it > would be hopeless. > > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > On Jul 18, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Robert's New iPad wrote: > > We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or > flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they > automatically shut off the lights. > A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are > flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. > Bob > > > On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: > > lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the > bulb holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, m= y > neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I wen= t, > you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a > daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two > every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all thre= e > cars. Still love all three the same > > > On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs > wrote: > > Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 > > > Cheers, > > Hans > > > *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net ] > *Namens *Max Heim via Mgs > *Verzonden:* donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 > *Aan:* MG List > *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Battery drain > > > Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 > > > -- > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB > > > On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: > > > mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid > on took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again > > > n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs > wrote: > > > > > Virusvrij. > www.avast.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --0000000000008a6025058e08af2f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agreed, Max - and the worst is the push start-stop button.= I've left it on several times when putting on the Aux power to look at= the odometer, and left it on overnight. There is a chime if you are using = the drivers door, but if you go in through the passenger door and hit the b= utton to turn on the aux power, nothing.=C2=A0

Dan D

Central NJ USA

http://dandibiase.cbint= ouch.com/

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:04 PM Ma= x Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net= > wrote:

=
Not all of us. My newer driver is= 1967.

So my routine in the B is, whenever I park, I loo= k at the toggle switches to check they are all facing the same way: OFF.

BTW that is a great user interface feature of the ca= rs of this era (up to the late 60s), that has been lost in modern instrumen= t panels =E2=80=94 you can tell all the switches are off at a glance. In mo= st modern cars, every function has a completely different interface design = (push/pull/rock/twist) in a different location =E2=80=94 you HAVE to have a= warning lamp or buzzer or it would be hopeless.

--
Max Heim
= 9;66 MGB

On Jul 18, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Robert= 's New iPad <m= gbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We are all accustomed to our modern dri= vers having a buzzer or flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left = on, or they automatically shut off the lights.
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are= flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. =C2=A0
Bob

On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

<= /div>

lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend t= he bulb holder down a little,=C2=A0 now just last week I left my headlights= on, my neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off= I went, you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid.=C2=A0 I got 3 B= 9;s one I drive as a daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage,=C2= =A0 I drive those two every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid = things with all three cars. Still love all three the same

On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &= lt;mgs@autox.team.n= et> wrote:

Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flints= tone=E2=80=A6
=C2=A0
Cheers,
Hans
=C2=A0
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Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the probl= em=E2=80=A6
=C2=A0
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'66 MGB
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On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>= wrote:
=C2=A0
mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when l= owering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had=C2=A0 = a problem again=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0
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--0000000000008a6025058e08af2f-- --===============1795194470545383182== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1795194470545383182==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 08:24:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0590A0E0E for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D59DA190E for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id z3so54701360iog.0 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:34:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HGOPX0uU7ju3yxqG8tKc8GfGb6Vi/6yM1rEvMDTElbM=; b=rYyBbkqR0PojhUa3ONdf/qu8Bg+4wLaBaScq0VEJoDp2HjDtb6VKYVoXNqvgHiltbo oa6X6IWbyNjAAI0u/IX0Z+TtNmv0FDAYQlotbPgFPFK4Sxx/1n778GA1oWu9GVWON+lU 4og2X4UZ/Y9tHJbOKwf9ogN/HtupV40LFj+Ssg8ykNlhtlq5+0xHmZ11BKyBKEWY91IB 2Ej9env2twpwHQrWgGzVHa5GXOXK69uvTWbO2/oAoh4isD8vYPZWB0GFPkD6eWXtecQ6 hD/2Bo9SuXT3qSzgAtyyG622W46QBo80Tp5RDHa0SP54ByGvRnVT0ZbEMzvN5xNpmBQ/ YJdQ== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=HGOPX0uU7ju3yxqG8tKc8GfGb6Vi/6yM1rEvMDTElbM=; b=mJnq1z736DtTSLCOLybxRTIXCtSzaA6DtJKR+8PMjW4v/mPWCLYvUiSWICNp1RTjGy J4hHkGx23QteRbavIJ2e/IH+9gfu7LSH3EXoLsU7OW4E9UazFt21XXzUrR/xtg5mMof2 9sYZq7xwT1sP405UPoZAwnEhBTXIiSgsVb5Q4dIj5C2pxMc/B4G4QTD9PwxX8sFSeeOp 7NtAqbqigE8bTd3IJmOOKggl+FptOfef/zQ9J2JSpN3+RhCjI7cKJpuQ/yEO1pOCC3wl LI8f650eL/czWpPKbv37RpKlVGEp8P/0SUdPu/OxhTw1EQ5sm/SpLnV7Yc9HA+8TGUlb SJHA== eziZGnW2yUYW9DXdh/2UcQDRZuVg a18mr52329589jap.75.1563492840856; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([32.210.21.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b14sm32716599iod.33.2019.07.18.16.33.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:33:58 -0400 References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> <008e01d53daf$c95f8830$5c1e9890$@planet.nl> <1659734447.53814.1563489151080@myemail.cox.net> To: NA Price <1971mgb@cox.net> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Robert's New iPad via Mgs Cc: Hans Duinhoven , Hans Duinhoven via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1069278482130335045== boundary=Apple-Mail-4D26F452-152E-49A1-A68B-D0DFB30E8648 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-4D26F452-152E-49A1-A68B-D0DFB30E8648 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or flashing= light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatically shut of= f the lights. A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are flas= hing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. =20 Bob > On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: >=20 > lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bul= b holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my neig= hbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, you c= an fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a daily d= river the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two every month o= r so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all three cars. Still lo= ve all three the same >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs w= rote:=20 >>=20 >> Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Hans >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs >> Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 >> Aan: MG List >> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Max Heim >>=20 >> '66 MGB >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote:= >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid o= n took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wr= ote: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Virusvrij. www.avast.com >=20 > =20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________=20 >>=20 >> Mgs@autox.team.net=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=20 >> Suggested annual donation $12.75=20 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive=20= >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.net=20= >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-4D26F452-152E-49A1-A68B-D0DFB30E8648 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

&nb= sp; We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer= or flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatic= ally shut off the lights.

A small buzzer= , of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are flashing, is easily ri= gged between headlamp switch and ignition.

Bob<= /div>

On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:3= 2 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@autox.t= eam.net> wrote:

lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bu= lb holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, m= y neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went= , you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive a= s a daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those t= wo every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all thre= e cars. Still love all three the same

On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6

<= p class=3D"ox-89afa067ed-MsoNormal">Cheers,
Hans

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 201= 9 23:15
Aan: MG List
Onderwerp: Re: [= Mgs] Battery drain

Well, that=E2=80=99s fixin= g the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6

--
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'66 MGB

=
On Jul 18, 2019, a= t 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@au= tox.team.net> wrote:
&n= bsp;
mine was a simple fix= , my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out pro= blem solved, never had a problem again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs &= lt;mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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People keep saying 'headlights' - is that when you = get the=20 warning? And as soon as you stop the engine? How about = auto=20 stop/start? One assumes the warning doesn't sound then, it = would=20 be rather annoying! My modern car warns if the lights are on = at all=20 i.e. even the 'parking' lights, but only when the drivers door is=20 opened.

----- Original Message -----

We are all accustomed to our modern = drivers=20 having a buzzer or flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left = on, or=20 they automatically shut off the lights.

A small buzzer, of the sort some use to = sound when=20 turn signals are flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch = and=20 ignition.
------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01D53E4C.17766790-- --===============5019269823312453955== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============5019269823312453955==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 19 10:06:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785F5A0C9E for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f47.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062FDA0C78 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f47.google.com with SMTP id k8so59518901iot.1 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:02:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+W7YzLvI7f347kWS2QkEj5+wqfVIN//5Ln+QTULchqg=; b=EH8K/JBERdl1/SDun2XjCMw9D8PJXfSdJ/u99+EQC6eyqZYCxuMWoW5ar42AKk+/d8 weQvJ0QbAjzxbZySEHV0xbGI9ejxQMUEAFFJ6O5XANEnTq8EwYXmmtrUV3Sa/Mbybk/k EpVC4aU+Ucqi3yX+tcM+iKAlyh7wpAKahA5qdFmYCY0AmBxXDPY89jSuC2GLKQThM9g9 9cXx6AhgSZQi35/fJFpMX6CnD7r7ytBoKhGC5yL+UJ5NMHuexxqktNhb6X10xmD+L89f i9HdrM7SqVtbBMrsMRQtzCMdVaUWOkczFKttTWxroj5GwNTydu6dkzpUgSGX4Th78f7X upew== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+W7YzLvI7f347kWS2QkEj5+wqfVIN//5Ln+QTULchqg=; b=PeGmUdAKq/X+Y/mcT6uXWfVG9aJnSn1S0r70Xy71nfFn3XykglS29nTBXopN/DwSTM JVUiRpYZ3/+AAmHzBmPAAkWPUiBfMaksHGTFPeqreWTUsGTXF/m/ZurCS2nUbtwREz/g 8W5X3o6PF2wzo2iuAdw+7gY2ulSSjmrGb7t7gjD1+ljlFlNONoJbq6neDMv8ojZ+lSDx MYdrX7BD1nyoebQX8PHzOWwZgExQBwQUHPiE306FDvTkMYEBZhZ37Vf6kREwjBt+O32x l6u9kISjwdv9em/UUsE0DHNA95hFXQ3qMTfNqc4+HjkWcqEkUZLQKuHX0NF6l5DMaDAs hVGw== NFBFKsYddlqETfYDOFAR61LiGAtlZNknPWxAMKg= Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:02:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> <008e01d53daf$c95f8830$5c1e9890$@planet.nl> <1659734447.53814.1563489151080@myemail.cox.net> <7C481659-7B88-4CBC-B416-DBCD023EBC10@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:02:11 -0400 To: PaulHunt73 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs Cc: mglist Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7573028645241841839== --000000000000949246058e0adb9e No, warning sounds only when lights are on and door is opened - but in my Mazda, that doesn't happen in the 'auto' position as they shut off after 30 seconds (or whatever you have it set for). My daughter's car as the 'auto stop'start' feature that shuts the engine off when you're stopped (i.e., at a red light). There is a light that illuminates when it shuts off. You can disable it with a switch on the dash that lights up when you push it. But it resets when you shut off the car. Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:21 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > People keep saying 'headlights' - is that when you get the warning? And > as soon as you stop the engine? How about auto stop/start? One assumes > the warning doesn't sound then, it would be rather annoying! My modern car > warns if the lights are on at all i.e. even the 'parking' lights, but only > when the drivers door is opened. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or > flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they > automatically shut off the lights. > A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are > flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --000000000000949246058e0adb9e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, warning sounds only when lights are on and door is ope= ned - but in my Mazda, that doesn't happen in the 'auto' positi= on as they shut off after 30 seconds (or whatever you have it set for). My = daughter's car as the 'auto stop'start' feature that shuts = the engine off when you're stopped (i.e., at a red light). There is a l= ight that illuminates when it shuts off. You can disable it with a switch o= n the dash that lights up when you push it. But it resets when you shut off= the car.=C2=A0

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:21 AM PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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People keep saying 'headlights' - is that whe= n you get the=20 warning?=C2=A0 And as soon as you=C2=A0stop the engine?=C2=A0 How about aut= o=20 stop/start?=C2=A0 One assumes the=C2=A0warning doesn't sound then, it w= ould=20 be=C2=A0rather annoying!=C2=A0 My modern car warns if the lights are on at = all=20 i.e. even the 'parking' lights,=C2=A0but only when the drivers door= is=20 opened.

----- Original Message -----

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We are all accustomed to our modern = drivers=20 having a buzzer or flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on,= or=20 they automatically shut off the lights.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A small buzzer, of the sort some use to so= und when=20 turn signals are flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and= =20 ignition. =C2=A0
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Cheers, Hans Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 19 juli 2019 1:34 Aan: NA Price CC: Hans Duinhoven; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max Heim Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or flashin= g light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatically shut = off the lights. A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are fla= shing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. Bob On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bulb= holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my neig= hbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, you= can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a dail= y driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two every mo= nth or so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all three cars. St= ill love all three the same On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wro= te: Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 Aan: MG List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on= took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrot= e: Afbeelding verwijderd door = afzender. 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And=E2=80=A6 as the MG is a 1971 built type, a buzzer already is in the d= ash present!
=
Chee= rs,
Hans=
=
Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:= mgbobh@gmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 juli 2019 1:34
Aan= : NA Price
CC: Hans Duinhoven; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max He= im
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain
=

&= nbsp; We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buz= zer or flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they autom= atically shut off the lights.
A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn sign= als are flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. &n= bsp;
Bob
=

On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Pric= e via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net&= gt; wrote:
lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the prob= lem, just bend the bulb holder down a little, now just last week I le= ft my headlights on, my neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the= battery and off I went, you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. = I got 3 B's one I drive as a daily driver the other two are sitting in a ga= rage, I drive those two every month or so. I always find myself doing= stupid things with all three cars. Still love all three the same

On July 18= , 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become = Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6

Cheers,
= Hans

Van: Mgs [mailto:= mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: donderd= ag 18 juli 2019 23:15
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Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain <= /span>
<= o:p>
Well, that=E2=80=99s fixin= g the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6

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'66 MGB

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mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed whe= n lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, never had&nbs= p; a problem again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Were those the passenger seat belt reminder buzzers that sounded wheneve= r a grocery sack was put onto the seat, or a dog rode passenger? Bob > On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote:= >=20 > And=E2=80=A6 as the MG is a 1971 built type, a buzzer already is in the da= sh present! > =20 > Cheers, > Hans > =20 > Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com]=20 > Verzonden: vrijdag 19 juli 2019 1:34 > Aan: NA Price > CC: Hans Duinhoven; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max Heim > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain > =20 > We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or flashi= ng light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatically shut o= ff the lights. > A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are fl= ashing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. =20 > Bob > =20 >=20 > On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: >=20 > lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bul= b holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my neig= hbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, you c= an fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a daily d= river the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two every month o= r so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all three cars. Still lo= ve all three the same >=20 > =20 >=20 > On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wr= ote: >=20 > Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Hans >=20 > =20 >=20 > Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs > Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 > Aan: MG List > Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain >=20 > =20 >=20 > Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 >=20 > =20 >=20 > -- >=20 > Max Heim >=20 > '66 MGB >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid o= n took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wro= te: >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 > > Virusvrij. www.avast.com >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=20 > Suggested annual donation $12.75=20 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive=20= >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.net >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com >=20 > Virusvrij. www.avast.com --Apple-Mail-AF7D70C8-6713-4B7D-A84A-9FEEAA408101 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Han= s,
If my 1972, built in January, had a buzzer i= t is was removed many years ago. Were those the passenger seat belt re= minder buzzers that sounded whenever a grocery sack was put onto the seat, o= r a dog rode passenger?
Bob

=

On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Hans Duinhoven <<= a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:=

And=E2=80=A6 as the MG is a= 1971 built type, a buzzer already is in the dash present!=
&nb= sp;
Cheers,
Hans

Van: Robert's= New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com] <= br>Verzonden: vrijdag 19 juli 2019 1:34
Aan: NA Price
CC: Hans Duinhoven; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max Heim
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain

= We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or flashing ligh= t to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatically shut off the= lights.
A sma= ll buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are flashing, is e= asily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition.
Bob

On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:=
lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bulb= holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my n= eighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, y= ou can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a= daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two= every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all three c= ars. Still love all three the same

On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven= via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>= ; wrote:
Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintston= e=E2=80=A6

Cheers,
Hans <= /p>

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 20= 19 23:15
Aan: MG List
Onderwerp: R= e: [Mgs] Battery drain

= Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6

<= div>
--
Max H= eim
'66 MGB
<= /p>
On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via M= gs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrot= e:

mine was a simple fix, m= y trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out proble= m solved, never had a problem again

n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans D= uinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.ne= t> wrote:

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= --Apple-Mail-AF7D70C8-6713-4B7D-A84A-9FEEAA408101-- --===============7699782793818263340== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7699782793818263340==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 20 09:41:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93A6A0D6C for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com (unknown [213.75.39.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6BFA0B40 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 06:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpsps-ews14.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.181]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:32:44 +0200 te;BM:NotScanned;FinalVerdict:Clean a=LO2mTXPAMClkaqVt2RTykg==:117 a=LO2mTXPAMClkaqVt2RTykg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=Dw3TkDNEjRgA:10 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=dgHjM7yQB5tyFVVAr34A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=M6UMGXE5g5HEuNV8y0YA:9 a=lDNl2lIEhZKvKMjIUR5gOGDH5rM=:19 a=QOjz9tTgVwh_NsaM:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=N2dutMJQT-KCERrpalIA:9 a=-XggfrMJsOVGF3Wk:18 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=VEiTNn8F7TgA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl ([195.121.84.12]) by cpsps-ews14.kpnxchange.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.5.9600.16384); Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:32:44 +0200 h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=dQa/BHt1PdOPxC7HqjSTtzXXqAaYVj0RaUspxOlaGj0=; b=xaCR3V5ULfixXNeujEt5+cqNzWhJR6f+rez43MZBEVrlk5CEwWA4LxZta5xv+FKQxDc/wi1phqkzz RbvUAv516aKbQaBa0teavuCANZZ1ZkPzWbbVDjUDNz5RMhQLIODFVcl51p5JwxT6oFqPqv+nt2O9dd VHinkDpl9TgqWJG4= Received: from HLaptopPC (unknown [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTP id 72d020a1-aaea-11e9-ad4a-00505699772e; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:32:35 +0200 (CEST) To: "'Robert's New iPad'" References: <50a7d563-0bd2-8536-9646-d2240a63e157@bell.net> <006201d53da8$0bd1b330$23751990$@planet.nl> <1316048876.49018.1563482755862@myemail.cox.net> <008e01d53daf$c95f8830$5c1e9890$@planet.nl> <1659734447.53814.1563489151080@myemail.cox.net> <7C481659-7B88-4CBC-B416-DBCD023EBC10@gmail.com> <002901d53eea$7e72f4b0$7b58de10$@planet.nl> <54FCA32A-8D86-4D56-834A-0B5450CAB187@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:32:42 +0200 Thread-Index: AQDs0gCAF6z8EWXebx1a+nRVN6SSEAKZ7ja9AenDGqoB9NN4SgF1k7/eAaKixJQBelkbuAIOq9b2A1YCq7CoIMu6oA== Content-Language: nl FILETIME=[3AF4BEA0:01D53EF7] Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs Cc: 'Hans Duinhoven via Mgs' Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0013115753537313467== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01D53F07.FE2DE800" Content-Language: nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01D53F07.FE2DE800 boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0037_01D53F07.FE2DE800" ------=_NextPart_001_0037_01D53F07.FE2DE800 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, the sound of those buzzers is terrible. I unplugged mine, but to keep the car as original as possible, it easily ca= n be reactivated. Cheers, Hans 71 BGT NRG WW Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 20 juli 2019 13:53 Aan: Hans Duinhoven CC: NA Price; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max Heim Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain Hans, If my 1972, built in January, had a buzzer it is was removed many years a= go. Were those the passenger seat belt reminder buzzers that sounded whene= ver a grocery sack was put onto the seat, or a dog rode passenger? Bob On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Hans Duinhoven wrote: And=E2=80=A6 as the MG is a 1971 built type, a buzzer already is in the das= h present! Cheers, Hans Van: Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 19 juli 2019 1:34 Aan: NA Price CC: Hans Duinhoven; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max Heim Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer or flashin= g light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they automatically shut = off the lights. A small buzzer, of the sort some use to sound when turn signals are fla= shing, is easily rigged between headlamp switch and ignition. Bob On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: lol, u r all right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bulb= holder down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my neig= hbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I went, you= can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one I drive as a dail= y driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I drive those two every mo= nth or so. I always find myself doing stupid things with all three cars. St= ill love all three the same On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wro= te: Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred Flintstone=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Max Heim via Mgs Verzonden: donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15 Aan: MG List Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom if not the problem=E2=80=A6 -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price via Mgs wrote: mine was a simple fix, my trunk light stayed when lowering the trunk lid on= took the bulb out problem solved, never had a problem again n July 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs wrot= e: Virusvrij. www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/1971mgb@cox.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com Afbeelding verwijderd door = afzender. 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Yes, the sound of those buzzers is terrible.
I unplugged mine, but to keep the car as original as possible, it = easily can be reactivated.

Cheers,
Hans
71 BGT NRG WW

Van:<= /b> Robert's = New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 20 = juli 2019 13:53
Aan: Hans DuinhovenCC: NA Price; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max = Heim
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery = drain

Hans,
If my 1972, built in January, had a buzzer it = is was removed many years ago. Were those the passenger seat belt = reminder buzzers that sounded whenever a grocery sack was put onto the = seat, or a dog rode passenger?
Bob

On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Hans = Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> = wrote:
And=E2=80=A6 as the MG is a 1971 built type, a buzzer already is in = the dash present!

Cheers,
Hans

Van:<= /b> = Robert's New iPad [mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com] =
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 juli 2019 1:34
Aan: NA = Price
CC: Hans Duinhoven; Hans Duinhoven via Mgs; Max = Heim
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Battery = drain

= We are all accustomed to our modern drivers having a buzzer = or flashing light to tell us headlamps have been left on, or they = automatically shut off the lights.
A small buzzer, of the sort some use to = sound when turn signals are flashing, is easily rigged between headlamp = switch and ignition.
Bob

On Jul 18, 2019, at 6:32 PM, NA Price = via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
lol, u r all = right, I fixed the symptom and the problem, just bend the bulb holder = down a little, now just last week I left my headlights on, my = neighbor told me about it, dead battery, jumped the battery and off I = went, you can fix the symptom u can't fix stupid. I got 3 B's one = I drive as a daily driver the other two are sitting in a garage, I = drive those two every month or so. I always find myself doing stupid = things with all three cars. Still love all three the = same

On July 18, 2019 at 5:28 PM Hans = Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: =
Same as a faulty engine. Get it out en become Fred = Flintstone=E2=80=A6

Cheers,
Hans

Van:<= /strong> Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.= net] Namens Max = Heim via Mgs
Verzonden: = donderdag 18 juli 2019 23:15
Aan: MG = List
Onderwerp: = Re: [Mgs] Battery drain

Well, that=E2=80=99s fixing the symptom = if not the problem=E2=80=A6

-- =
Max Heim =
'66 MGB =

On Jul 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, NA Price = via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

mine was a simple fix, my trunk light = stayed when lowering the trunk lid on took the bulb out problem solved, = never had a problem again

n July = 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

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--000000000000fb8559058e34360b-- --===============0400409012986603574== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0400409012986603574==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 15:15:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938EDA0497 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [68.178.252.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81772A0428 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from TR3A ([66.25.47.235]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id pJB7hpU0TswGFpJB7hxswM; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:15:33 -0700 To: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:15:32 -0500 Thread-Index: AdVACOh2XVjh63wGRVuXIcqKJ6syGg== Content-Language: en-us 7CZQZEdMwZXo22kKjFGmIbgYzaNbFxgFLhI= Subject: [Mgs] value questions From: dave via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1503036278755027861== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53FDF.85DAE5F0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53FDF.85DAE5F0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb engine, mga transmission. I already have a 56 so I'm not too inclined to keep this one. Was wondering what people thought about the following: It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU's and sell the weber setup It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or replace as original with pull string? It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use pull starter? The goal is to maximize value in selling. What do you think? ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53FDF.85DAE5F0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 = mga. It has an mgb engine, mga transmission.

I already = have a 56 so I’m not too inclined to keep this one. Was = wondering what people thought about the following:

It has a = single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU’s and sell the = weber setup
It has later mgb door = panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or replace as original = with pull string?
It has an mgb = starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use pull = starter?

The goal is to maximize value in = selling.

What do you think?
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01D53FDF.85DAE5F0-- --===============1503036278755027861== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1503036278755027861==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 15:22:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFE6A07E9 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE2CA07E5 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f41.google.com with SMTP id q22so69615319iog.4 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vj2dcTfWMiyjb3g+zihE67afn3rWLhNi0OxlRDdfmME=; b=sTStVr87mTxct4prGv0bVd72mx4vUUV2jcyNO2+QEvVHYTOjPUDaxC5aQC2nMh1hwH SLHvoGAOYt8Y4FFbQ6O1LbZFiGbc9MynC1evcX5pMsefuWCGn56wgRtQR5TxBRLyKvlu lOz615dbi5zUDg5JePFxWRL21AUBYDNZnS5gGbO7UPWXMKNCVtUrdlCrtVyS1LSdBowF rjVUn/H28iK5aUN4P01Rw6hCzpEk7/xU0xomG21VsouTI1xzZJEJ6Lekqh7oc48gwDvy gOY0V1zG8ORlvCV6qV/1cEfxGxHiQMhqtoBo36tVBwR1aeBiRI3F1+6m2gT9NN0Qszm1 Ejwg== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vj2dcTfWMiyjb3g+zihE67afn3rWLhNi0OxlRDdfmME=; b=M4mASAcxvJU8oMGGLWVYcSVKTQFP9B1ZIhaeqqxDfTeWo4lbqz8hoslVHtdzS+WA6j 61vu+g9RspoQDfPHCDcEPbwCgvyGdyziyq5uIiy9v49dNnDlDa3Tej+fWzl3D97T4vWM PlI8kZE95ySj4up8L9bszhWFJWWRuizp2Pkn/qQaZ9ntHpsgZNlGfvGCsMJ7RIJ/wqBQ sgZWJvHTM8Je5QFFPTPrxhph80M2+fd6/gp9rOJ6PbVkATRqzAV1VAueJZW/r/TEXL1g ToQgxMNLLmz9Awb7z+mqsnuyc4RPkp4shvwBgvWBk7xDGDzzt3wv658yRtw/JNDiKSZs QOXw== xMvl4Lc94T9O+/II7DrgKHu7NF20FdXaTljUjytuHQ== Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <001701d54009$6eb078c0$4c116a40$@ranteer.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:22:21 -0500 To: MGs Subject: Re: [Mgs] value questions From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0587783313964612373== --000000000000b636c3058e378e4c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 2 cents: You have two (or more) options. Firstly, you can maximize your selling price, but not necessarily your net return, by restoring it to stock, including a replacement engine. Or secondly, make it run, as is, and sell it as a 'driver' or 'restoration candidate' on Bring-a-Trailer. Just don't misrepresent it - which of course you wouldn't do. Rick On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:16 PM dave via Mgs wrote: > I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb engine= , > mga transmission. > > > > I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined to keep this one. Wa= s > wondering what people thought about the following: > > > > It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU=E2=80=99s and sell t= he weber > setup > > It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or > replace as original with pull string? > > It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use pull > starter? > > > > The goal is to maximize value in selling. > > > > What do you think? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/richardolindsay@gmail.com > --000000000000b636c3058e378e4c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 2 cents: You have two (or more) options. Firstly, you = can maximize your selling price, but not necessarily your net return, by re= storing it to stock, including a replacement engine. Or secondly, make it r= un, as is, and sell it as a 'driver' or 'restoration candidate&= #39; on Bring-a-Trailer. Just don't misrepresent it - which of course y= ou wouldn't do.

Rick
=

= On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 4:16 PM dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I was offered= at a very, very good price, a 59 mga.=C2=A0 It has an mgb engine, mga tran= smission.
=C2=A0
<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined t= o keep this one.=C2=A0 Was wondering what people thought about the followin= g:
=C2=A0
It has a single weber carb.=C2=A0 Keep or replace with SU=E2= =80=99s and sell the weber setup
It= has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle.=C2=A0 Keep or rep= lace as original with pull string?
= It has an mgb starter switch.=C2=A0 Keep or replace with original to use pu= ll starter?
=C2=A0
The goal is to maximize value in selling.=
=C2=A0
What do you think?
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--000000000000b636c3058e378e4c-- --===============0587783313964612373== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0587783313964612373==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 21 15:45:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92140A0B45 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E64A0B23 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6LLj2jx019488 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:45:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:45:01 -0700 References: <001701d54009$6eb078c0$4c116a40$@ranteer.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] value questions From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2784363620619542791== boundary="Apple-Mail=_A0516E1B-BC45-431F-93E1-1F728C7666A8" --Apple-Mail=_A0516E1B-BC45-431F-93E1-1F728C7666A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 The thing to remember is, you cannot make money restoring these cars for = sale. If you can get it cheap enough, then you can flip it =E2=80=9Cas is=E2=80=9D= and make a profit. But if you don=E2=80=99t want it yourself, then = there is really no point in investing money in it, beyond cleaning it up = for appearances and making sure it runs and drives (since the premium = for a driver compared to a non-runner is significant). Let the final owner go underwater on his restoration =E2=80=94 you don't = have to be that guy. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM, dave via Mgs wrote: >=20 > I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb = engine, mga transmission. > =20 > I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined to keep this one. = Was wondering what people thought about the following: > =20 > It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU=E2=80=99s and = sell the weber setup > It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or = replace as original with pull string? > It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use = pull starter? > =20 > The goal is to maximize value in selling. > =20 > What do you think? > _______________________________________________ --Apple-Mail=_A0516E1B-BC45-431F-93E1-1F728C7666A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 The thing to remember is, you cannot make money restoring = these cars for sale.

If you can get it cheap enough, then you can flip it =E2=80=9Ca= s is=E2=80=9D and make a profit. But if you don=E2=80=99t want it = yourself, then there is really no point in investing money in it, beyond = cleaning it up for appearances and making sure it runs and drives (since = the premium for a driver compared to a non-runner is = significant).

Let the final owner go underwater on his restoration =E2=80=94 = you don't have to be that guy.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Jul 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM, dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It = has an mgb engine, mga transmission.

I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not = too inclined to keep this one. Was wondering what people thought = about the following:

It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU=E2=80= =99s and sell the weber setup
It has later mgb door panels, with the = door opening handle. Keep or replace as original with pull = string?
It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with = original to use pull starter?

The goal is to maximize value in = selling.

What do you think?
_______________________________________________

= --Apple-Mail=_A0516E1B-BC45-431F-93E1-1F728C7666A8-- --===============2784363620619542791== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2784363620619542791==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 06:08:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA94EA09CB for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5F6A08C7 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id i10so73240602iol.13 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g0GpTG0AmstreGuhZ4HAeS+e9u57gNCM3xOF7le2Mdw=; b=ibv1Txyf4wdqsMEFHH2BnIilDQKCZwnYu9kTa5sz3KCR/ndOMhorqI1D09dZHFuKyD oLN7U5TYB9zG+AQ1uxUGJYbGvkFlRXY6nHMJbIe58Eu1bChcXsD4JqWcgWeOj4ignWcj CGeImjlhf54d1jGCsPQuVo7Iivw2gAQpS+p2OEWYJ0Wu8RdDOVoLB+24thzlJzorweid G71Jsg8xDQvqIXtraG2DHB1pu2Pp3K9PTdblU+D8pteWrzLRgwySoXV1bh1vNg/MtBac eva6oDKalw71T4xZ6U/yHXrUF3/SCAn73tTIineffHjFaIx/MGAV+Rk0KBhGp2YgmwxE t4RA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g0GpTG0AmstreGuhZ4HAeS+e9u57gNCM3xOF7le2Mdw=; b=MnT2LpzNebt35SFAIfNXnb+YH4iK1EVnPDOA32opOdHTjcCH0TjRb4r0PLzcMmy2oh l6jHVHFLQI2oQfWCO/vD2vyCFXQgBGLzGmru8NbJFRBrdg2E9cdC0f5UwJbKEvtacVCm in919kLe3RwOKVsRA3g4pnknCLzSVfRKsCrARSRniXK1o1Iv5Mqf5FhS1WX6HQbNCwAQ QYdWDmVUEiqgzAmN4A8DwIB//LTf/SaqCEuR8Rcf5uz+OfxIPA/kI3RAgG03oxNcoMXA OHXiYJjfLv2QvYRejcmsck3FCSx8lKaIoTFFTXt3HgiODRiGQQFF+kVwTkWfkG3xINd3 mUlQ== a6HGK0i4pc8yHgJTRm3GAQpV3yIBmuk6khMV627THWm/ Mon, 22 Jul 2019 05:08:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <001701d54009$6eb078c0$4c116a40$@ranteer.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:07:38 -0400 To: dave Subject: Re: [Mgs] value questions From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs Cc: mglist Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0627796649172376525== --00000000000040e83d058e43eec2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a Realtor in my second career, so people ask me questions like this about their home (or a potential purchase) all the time.... I find that there isn't really a 'stock' answer, it's a case-by-case response. In this case, I'd probably say do the minimum you could to return it to 'original' and then sell it. I'd probably get rid of the Weber and replace the door panels, if I could source a set of decent used ones, then sell it, if I could make somewhere between 10 - 20%. Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 5:16 PM dave via Mgs wrote: > I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb engine= , > mga transmission. > > > > I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined to keep this one. Wa= s > wondering what people thought about the following: > > > > It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU=E2=80=99s and sell t= he weber > setup > > It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or > replace as original with pull string? > > It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use pull > starter? > > > > The goal is to maximize value in selling. > > > > What do you think? > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --00000000000040e83d058e43eec2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm a Realtor in my second career, so people ask me qu= estions like this about their home (or a potential purchase) all the time..= .. I find that there isn't really a 'stock' answer, it's a = case-by-case response.=C2=A0 In this case, I'd probably say do the mini= mum you could to return it to 'original' and then sell it. I'd = probably get rid of the Weber and replace the door panels, if I could sourc= e a set of decent used ones, then sell it, if I could make somewhere betwee= n 10 - 20%.

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

=

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 5:16 PM dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I was offered at = a very, very good price, a 59 mga.=C2=A0 It has an mgb engine, mga transmis= sion.
=C2=A0
I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined to ke= ep this one.=C2=A0 Was wondering what people thought about the following:
=C2=A0
It has a single weber carb.=C2=A0 Keep or replace with SU=E2=80= =99s and sell the weber setup
It ha= s later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle.=C2=A0 Keep or replac= e as original with pull string?
It = has an mgb starter switch.=C2=A0 Keep or replace with original to use pull = starter?
=C2=A0
The goal is to maximize value in selling.
=C2=A0
= What do you think?
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--00000000000040e83d058e43eec2-- --===============0627796649172376525== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0627796649172376525==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 10:37:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65D8A0AB4 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5568FA072C for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6MGS13N030236 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:28:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:28:00 -0700 References: <001701d54009$6eb078c0$4c116a40$@ranteer.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] value questions From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9125064788186483425== boundary="Apple-Mail=_7F3B272C-D64C-46B4-9D76-193285599409" --Apple-Mail=_7F3B272C-D64C-46B4-9D76-193285599409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 A set of carbs is one of the more expensive things you could buy, and = non-trivial to set up. I think you would be better off just making it = run with the Weber and put that expense on the next guy. $1000 of new = carbs will not raise the selling price $1200, so it doesn=E2=80=99t = pencil out. That=E2=80=99s probably true of any money you put into it = =E2=80=94 at best, you=E2=80=99d recoup 80% of the investment, when you = include your time into it. Remember, you are paying full retail for any = new parts, but the buyer will consider them =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=9D in = his pricing estimation. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 22, 2019, at 5:07 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > I'm a Realtor in my second career, so people ask me questions like = this about their home (or a potential purchase) all the time.... I find = that there isn't really a 'stock' answer, it's a case-by-case response. = In this case, I'd probably say do the minimum you could to return it to = 'original' and then sell it. I'd probably get rid of the Weber and = replace the door panels, if I could source a set of decent used ones, = then sell it, if I could make somewhere between 10 - 20%. >=20 > Dan D > Central NJ USA > http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ >=20 > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 5:16 PM dave via Mgs I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb = engine, mga transmission. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined to keep this one. = Was wondering what people thought about the following: >=20 > =20 >=20 > It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU=E2=80=99s and = sell the weber setup >=20 > It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or = replace as original with pull string? >=20 > It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use = pull starter? >=20 > =20 >=20 > The goal is to maximize value in selling. >=20 > =20 >=20 > What do you think? >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com = > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = --Apple-Mail=_7F3B272C-D64C-46B4-9D76-193285599409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 A set of carbs is one of the more expensive things you could = buy, and non-trivial to set up. I think you would be better off just = making it run with the Weber and put that expense on the next guy. $1000 = of new carbs will not raise the selling price $1200, so it doesn=E2=80=99t= pencil out. That=E2=80=99s probably true of any money you put into it = =E2=80=94 at best, you=E2=80=99d recoup 80% of the investment, when you = include your time into it. Remember, you are paying full retail for any = new parts, but the buyer will consider them =E2=80=9Cused=E2=80=9D in = his pricing estimation.

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 5:07 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

I'm a Realtor in my second career, so people ask me questions = like this about their home (or a potential purchase) all the time.... I = find that there isn't really a 'stock' answer, it's a case-by-case = response. In this case, I'd probably say do the minimum you could = to return it to 'original' and then sell it. I'd probably get rid of the = Weber and replace the door panels, if I could source a set of decent = used ones, then sell it, if I could make somewhere between 10 - 20%.

Dan D
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 5:16 PM dave = via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I = was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb = engine, mga transmission.

I already have a 56 so I=E2=80=99m not too inclined = to keep this one. Was wondering what people thought about the = following:

It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace = with SU=E2=80=99s and sell the weber setup
It has later mgb door panels, = with the door opening handle. Keep or replace as original with = pull string?
It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace = with original to use pull starter?

The goal is to maximize value = in selling.

What do you think?
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= --Apple-Mail=_7F3B272C-D64C-46B4-9D76-193285599409-- --===============9125064788186483425== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============9125064788186483425==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 10:43:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9AA0BE5 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:43:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from torfep01.bell.net (unknown [184.150.200.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB42A06D6 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bell.net torfep01 184.150.200.158 by torfep01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190722164101.WSMT4584.torfep01.bell.net@torspm01.bell.net> for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:41:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.11] (really [76.66.122.100]) by torspm01.bell.net with ESMTP id <20190722164101.JJGF39285.torspm01.bell.net@[192.168.2.11]> for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:41:01 -0400 To: mgs@autox.team.net References: <001701d54009$6eb078c0$4c116a40$@ranteer.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:41:00 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:117 a=8Qp2V8J5YsdJJmJqd2TRPw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=FBHGMhGWAAAA:8 a=MmYKeVqSiLPf_Fz1T3YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=mHr6GJ5fAAAA:8 a=W-MI8C-49jIzXvEOCScA:9 a=5Ck2KZSSZYXt4gPg:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=jSq4H1PRqGHJhPYpC10A:9 a=URFk5qhtElPrXEIu:18 a=HXjIzolwW10A:10 a=T6a71-JsGAwA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=9gvnlMMaQFpL9xblJ6ne:22 a=N127T80v9oXcZuUJjtVr:22 WtlLToqSj9mgp1ZhvLKvoSJqytf0hr7ua4J6ndT3zA6lh3L5Itdkkj/P Subject: Re: [Mgs] value questions From: Barrie Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3118664261661525845== boundary="------------E3D5B3A6E7C086E6DBED57AF" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E3D5B3A6E7C086E6DBED57AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree on Max's advice. I spent a fortune on building an MGB GT V8 with lots of "mods. It is spectacularly concours but the insurance appraiser chap gave it a price about 30% on what I put in to it. But if it is for yourself you may be cheered by the thought that had you bought a new car its value in just 1-2 years would be worse than that 30% figure. Having said that one has to take into account what car you are "working" on. Some cars can gather far more of those money things than it costs to restore. My prediction is that MGB GTs will see a big increase in price - but then I am biased. Cheers On 7/21/2019 5:45 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > The thing to remember is, you cannot make money restoring these cars > for sale. > > If you can get it cheap enough, then you can flip it “as is” and make > a profit. But if you don’t want it yourself, then there is really no > point in investing money in it, beyond cleaning it up for appearances > and making sure it runs and drives (since the premium for a driver > compared to a non-runner is significant). > > Let the final owner go underwater on his restoration — you don't have > to be that guy. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > >> On Jul 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM, dave via Mgs > >> I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb >> engine, mga transmission. >> I already have a 56 so I’m not too inclined to keep this one. Was >> wondering what people thought about the following: >> It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU’s and sell the >> weber setup >> It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or >> replace as original with pull string? >> It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use >> pull starter? >> The goal is to maximize value in selling. >> What do you think? >> _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/barrob@bell.net --------------E3D5B3A6E7C086E6DBED57AF boundary="------------51A32B9081873D01CAEA5085" --------------51A32B9081873D01CAEA5085 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree on Max's advice. I spent a fortune on building an MGB GT V8 with lots of "mods. It is spectacularly concours but the insurance appraiser chap gave it a price about 30% on what I put in to it. But if it is for yourself you may be cheered by the thought that had you bought a new car its value in just 1-2 years would be worse than that 30% figure. Having said that one has to take into account what car you are "working" on. Some cars can gather far more of those money things than it costs to restore. My prediction is that MGB GTs will see a big increase in price - but then I am biased.
Cheers

On 7/21/2019 5:45 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

The thing to remember is, you cannot make money restoring these cars for sale.

If you can get it cheap enough, then you can flip it “as is” and make a profit. But if you don’t want it yourself, then there is really no point in investing money in it, beyond cleaning it up for appearances and making sure it runs and drives (since the premium for a driver compared to a non-runner is significant).

Let the final owner go underwater on his restoration — you don't have to be that guy.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM, dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I was offered at a very, very good price, a 59 mga. It has an mgb engine, mga transmission.

I already have a 56 so I’m not too inclined to keep this one. Was wondering what people thought about the following:

It has a single weber carb. Keep or replace with SU’s and sell the weber setup

It has later mgb door panels, with the door opening handle. Keep or replace as original with pull string?

It has an mgb starter switch. Keep or replace with original to use pull starter?

The goal is to maximize value in selling.

What do you think?

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ml2aCOkof9DHlx9Q.QBB8OewHw4M- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic314.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:36:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:36:21 +0000 (UTC) To: MG List References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0 Subject: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: David Breneman via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1176223121394509389== boundary="----=_Part_5449730_71057884.1563816981898" ------=_Part_5449730_71057884.1563816981898 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm lookingfor some = confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store putin new pump= s, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US) alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB highcom= pression engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-free= gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20 octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lotof mi= sfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continueddriving = like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and itnever did.= =C2=A0 I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've neverencountere= d "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seemslike= pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any op= tionother than to just burn through this half tank of gas? Thanks!=C2=A0=20 David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ------=_Part_5449730_71057884.1563816981898 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've never encountered a "bad fuel" pro= blem before, so I'm looking

for= some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put

in new pumps, and one of the things= they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (= w/MGB high

compression engine) = so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol-

free gas was out of order! So I put in three = gallons of regular 92

octa= ne, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating = in 3rd and 4th. I continued

driving like this for about 20 miles= to see if it would clear up and it

never did. I c= an't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never

= encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

<= span>The fact that it started about 1/4 mile = after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidenc= e. Any other possibilities? Is there any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!

<= /div>

David Breneman david_brene= man@yahoo.com

------=_Part_5449730_71057884.1563816981898-- --===============1176223121394509389== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1176223121394509389==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 12:05:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2C2A0ACF for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B50A09E8 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io1-f42.google.com with SMTP id k20so75894201ios.10 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:01:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HrnDPqzIYuUaG/gPg3a8QkbhbF7MV+5lIHOoWlYDCHA=; b=HP2Gm4pGlKQ+PTKsXWTXuLftpiyZKpv2I6amWyh8kvCOO0dvTlNmvPkMZZLK8lYcP7 jh67oB0AQBLCN7MnUCetdh7NfOHFdFlU2kcYaHeDBCkYwVwPDx4GnqVRBKBC5NdZMmxo NigrYi1epJZFgZ//E+Eh17M9n6YmJiZwg/GCIiq0OkOhvGVshbmp217YhS7h77veZ8J5 UKVcxF3RexSBfpOnn6m2iqhzHw93hSw+rJ7UfWBGcwBHbEQPsbKuM9DWlqQshwUwjV1+ RDSo05j9mdLpQgYHGY8/D8NwvUAE7efCCqjoWu+bqArslaPZ81nWxWXrWp8Vh2Bg1XwJ gzUw== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HrnDPqzIYuUaG/gPg3a8QkbhbF7MV+5lIHOoWlYDCHA=; b=iyAwzXIQNrO87sIX/UFVgI+0FqgpIsP05CqcuhAhuYRxIFQ0SUJ8x4WCOc1G+PLMCh EcYTdV5tTWXAK3Qf7MH2N+54QGGqI0Pj+6AfHvExtapjZbUJ6U0xTJljx5gBkJOqSb9z fYvLteWYs1uNvwiZ1dX8oJZr+QSsoww9ZRBiR/mnV2emh0OCImLBqpj2zPCms6vZ90mX HN6nZdzMSj1clkZwbdJK8eguQOzyycWaJ5QFXzeX0UsMRQAN3YqfwNyQruDWrDGid+71 qZo4CtG2majFNZTT1KSNdOwD/9vryzzwzJV0+mgNMELmxGbZ7asSd/0m3jAVPxJtTh51 uZ6A== Ub8aXq4qb9TT4IVq2vZ2R6eHVdtDpQ+5TYtV2v4= Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:01:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:00:30 -0400 To: David Breneman Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Dan DiBiase via Mgs Cc: MG List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7825377283949803392== --0000000000004152bc058e48dc42 It sure seems like it must be the fuel. I would probably drain as much as I could, run it in my lawnmower or snowblower..... Dan D Central NJ USA http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:36 PM David Breneman via Mgs wrote: > I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking > for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put > in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US) > alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high > compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- > free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 > octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot > of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued > driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it > never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never > encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. > > The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems > like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option > other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? > > Thanks! > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/dan.dibiase@gmail.com > --0000000000004152bc058e48dc42 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It sure seems like it must be the fuel. I would probably d= rain as much as I could, run it in my lawnmower or snowblower.....

Dan D

Central NJ USA

htt= p://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Mon, Jul 22= , 2019 at 1:36 PM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never encountered a "= bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
for= some confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering = now is 92 octane (US)
alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I h= ad about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
compres= sion engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-
free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons o= f regular 92
octane, and about 1/4 mile from the= station started experiencing a lot
of misfiring, mos= tly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued
driving = like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
never did.=C2=A0 I can't imagine it's anything but th= e fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad f= uel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile a= fter leaving the station seems
like pretty good ev= idence.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option
other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!=C2=A0

David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com
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could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not c= ausational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of cra= ppy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, u= ntil replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs

Portland,OR

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _= ______)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes

<= br>

1967 MGB =C2=A0 3D"MG"

A racing car is an animal with a thousa= nd adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random au= to corrects and misspelled words

<= /div>

On Mon, Jul = 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never encountered a &quo= t;bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
f= or some confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps, and one of the things they're offerin= g now is 92 octane (US)
alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I= had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
compr= ession engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-
=
free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons= of regular 92
octane, and about 1/4 mile from t= he station started experiencing a lot
of misfiring, m= ostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued
driving= like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
never did.=C2=A0 I can't imagine it's anything but th= e fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad fu= el" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile afte= r leaving the station seems
like pretty good eviden= ce.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option<= /div>
other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!=C2=A0
=

David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com
____= ___________________________________________

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--000000000000f78b7d058e48ffff-- --===============6090286809573818378== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6090286809573818378==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 12:19:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EF0A0B7C for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFF6A0A8D for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6MIIulI011385 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:18:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:18:56 -0700 References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1767281997430592835== boundary="Apple-Mail=_756781D5-AD08-4E62-A575-068328ECC373" --Apple-Mail=_756781D5-AD08-4E62-A575-068328ECC373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the = points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs = wrote: >=20 > could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. = How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new = Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until = replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. > Ira Erbs > Portland,OR > _______ _______ > (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > BT7 engine and disk brakes >=20 >=20 > 1967 MGB =20 >=20 > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs = > I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking > for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put > in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane = (US) > alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high > compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- > free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20 > octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot > of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued > driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and = it > never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never > encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >=20 > The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems > like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option > other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >=20 > Thanks! =20 >=20 > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com = ______ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com = > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = --Apple-Mail=_756781D5-AD08-4E62-A575-068328ECC373 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is = prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are = burnt.

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not = causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of = crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar = results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
_______ = = _______
=    (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
=    (_________________________)
BT7 engine and disk = brakes

1967 MGB

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti
Please excuse random = auto corrects and misspelled = words

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via = Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I've never = encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
for some confirmation (or not). The local = Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps, = and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)
alcohol-free gas. I = had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with = the alcohol-
free gas was out of = order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92
octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station = started experiencing a lot
of = misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I = continued
driving like this for = about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and = it
never did. I = can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've = never
encountered "bad = fuel" situation like this in 44 years of = driving.

The = fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems
like = pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option
other = than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!

David = Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com
___________= ____________________________________

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= --Apple-Mail=_756781D5-AD08-4E62-A575-068328ECC373-- --===============1767281997430592835== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1767281997430592835==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 22 12:44:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBED3A0956 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387F4A0586 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id r12so6701955edo.5 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=q/kBsZTGnr0NgGYaFyJ9y5wIFaquj7gnvcKfOgU/gok=; b=csjAymDnnqT/td3ZJkcZSQt3r3hL71llOL1rkQDVcxWZSQO0gY0A+Ckif/NSMVnj6J lmBVFCPtKf2Mjr+R379q4grjFEySmWn322qmqruXsv1sEc/K7V2u8NADDPc+AaOL0jJz fx1O9ZpPTNQkOtVWuT/cF/0pHfqFn9DQj1UnpzkABgSkgPYQOeBHCOzkTrRU6/3VdAM1 n9EcYHtX6zY33vjiJzwROUiB+CvxvuQgNIcDxltzVGTbTSioxaKFio9OBRPitjOX6YXj U0DmpM8cBS25xGik2M8soj74C1B87x3/khSRrjb4OnqjcGOwZBObVBQF4M/WY+V58T3X hSDA== d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q/kBsZTGnr0NgGYaFyJ9y5wIFaquj7gnvcKfOgU/gok=; b=QcrdjTLOzSkB1Htzt6KKue7NvKk/lbWKXRll36iFkoecWsLPx4AZ/zN9xS5Z8DNiWv Qx/E74VK8hiNKae1dnNWIiTmlHUIk0Z0hs2hepEf1pGjcvSEzkfOmPkZXW5haeNSwzpD Q/proBKm5U0BSDyod6LYWGyEZE65lMGVpSApd6eSKUc9f6lYWYU54hoGdBK0bCo9hVu3 wCwe0BOEItfeLRmkMgK5/kLy3IbTve/0/Op6AOAl28lyAuLlz4Q/+Uc5ybQZMaVgrU2n G5z4grcXvPrhIC9ZLfDnIWUfuU0H9n+ALbn5vo6ZaOTSWPDPhUg1YQ3VrHnqerQSOBR5 qnwg== RnjZffD1U1+H5j8RuN+f6CYpNQPk7pcH13Y5hR/JUA== Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:44:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:44:10 -0700 To: Max Heim Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: i erbs via Mgs Cc: MG List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4875689103973283508== --000000000000f6d89d058e497682 bad condenser caused my car to buck, cough and run rough on acceleration. Not sure about how, but Ii will confirm it ran like crap when they failed. replacing with an old stock Lucas unit, got me home until I replaced it with the HD one from the Distributor Dr. Do a google search. It's a real thing. Ira Erbs Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes 1967 MGB [image: MG] A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19 AM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the > points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: > > could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How > old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas > parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced > with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. > Ira Erbs > Portland,OR > _______ _______ > (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > BT7 engine and disk brakes > > > 1967 MGB [image: MG] > > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put >> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US) >> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high >> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- >> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 >> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot >> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued >> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it >> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never >> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >> >> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems >> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option >> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com > --000000000000f6d89d058e497682 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

bad condenser caused my car to buck, cough and run rough o= n acceleration. Not sure about how, but Ii will confirm it ran like crap wh= en they failed. replacing with an old stock Lucas unit, got me home until I= replaced it with the HD one from the Distributor Dr. Do a google search. I= t's a real thing.

Ira ErbsPortland,OR

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0_______
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________= ________________)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 e= ngine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =C2= =A0 3D"MG"

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andr= etti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled= words

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19 AM Max H= eim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

How do bad condensers cause rough ru= nning? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying t= he points are burnt.

--
Max Heim
= 9;66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erb= s via Mgs <mgs@a= utox.team.net> wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. C= ould coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newis= h, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones= with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor HD co= ndenser.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______= \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =C2=A0
=

A racing car = is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

= On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:<= br>
I've never encountered a "bad fuel" = problem before, so I'm looking
for some confirmat= ion (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octan= e (US)
alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quar= ter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
compression engine) so= I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-
= free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92=C2=A0=
octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station star= ted experiencing a lot
of misfiring, mostly when acce= lerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued
driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and i= t
never did.=C2=A0 I can= 't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad fuel" = situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems
like pretty good evidence.= =C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option
other than to just burn through this half= tank of gas?

Thanks!=C2=A0=C2=A0

David Breneman=C2=A0=C2=A0david_breneman@yahoo.com
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--000000000000f6d89d058e497682-- --===============4875689103973283508== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4875689103973283508==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 01:44:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FCBA09EB for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (unknown [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605FFA07B0 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:43:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from paul ([82.34.187.196]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id ppSYhDZEMn5AFppSZhUYlI; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:43:43 +0100 a=IyPoZeiKMU40TSCrbcRMyQ==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=vXalnmKuXIqYtcyze9gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zcyvEg9AV0BPKQHFVcIA:9 a=4V4x5J29CdOM5END:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1563867823; bh=eHfjK6f/2xaAxKNMASMRk7fOuFF7ABrUL2+L2Za6lIQ=; h=From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date; b=coVPRTTpqHz7hsX8atlGyqStom36S1iwSd9PeAy26NO6ak4XojlUiSXNEVp130Unh 2fFLi5u0VHPql12tZiYxR5den/QFwW78eEDajS06B41xkqfNiF3xlrY3oHEl0EZcNb cR5f5D0WYlkz1aI35SjTEYgDhfmEFUAP/FtdALs0i7vC1tB666PttSKgbjFqKiWbch kIopaADSfVeqaMqUD3/vQs1kPIsEX+6NmvnFdunxULdrymJejj8vVbAlsuo6sXwL0Z 3btuToCOHn6MsAzZG0KqDwVG1iO/CvaYyrcLDHAXjwW/Mllqn1f2DIEFDRltc+dPpP dNh1C0FU9XlJA== To: "David Breneman" References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:27:03 +0100 6vbWbO7Rq2NA3PZpNw43eU7pCP2tx0cmZ613JJ8GaDKcqU6fYJjU4ix4k/BMzjo6qug8KWqeIF8Q/TbzOqdWFUAwJjcvsjprYjo= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs Cc: MG List Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7679408077362891805== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01D54130.67AD1650" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01D54130.67AD1650 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Even if newish" The newer the condenser the more likely they are to fail, if it's been = in years it's probably fine, I've never had one fail in 50-odd years. The condenser doesn't just reduce points burning, that's just a = side-effect. It's primary purpose is to boost the spark at the plug by = setting up a high frequency oscillation with the coil to generate = multiple sparks at the correct time. Without it plug firing is greatly = reduced and retarded. Have a look in the back of the Leyland Workshop = manual, I assume Bentley is the same. Having just had the pumps changed anything could have happened, take the = lids off the float chambers and see if there is any muck in there. = Before messing with anything else run the float chambers out (fuel pump = electrics disconnected) and jury-rig a container with some fresh fuel. =20 PaulH. ----- Original Message -----=20 could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. = How old is the condenser? Even if newish, ... ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01D54130.67AD1650 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

"Even if newish"

The newer the condenser the more likely they are to = fail, if=20 it's been in years it's probably fine, I've never had one fail in 50-odd = years.

The condenser doesn't just reduce points burning, = that's just=20 a side-effect. It's primary purpose is to boost the spark at the = plug by=20 setting up a high frequency oscillation with the coil to generate = multiple=20 sparks at the correct time. Without it plug firing is greatly = reduced and=20 retarded. Have a look in the back of the Leyland Workshop manual, = I=20 assume Bentley is the same.

Having just had the pumps changed anything could = have=20 happened, take the lids off the float chambers and see if there is any = muck in=20 there. Before messing with anything else run = the float=20 chambers out (fuel pump electrics disconnected) and jury-rig a = container=20 with some fresh fuel.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not = causational. How=20 old is the condenser? Even if newish, = ...

------=_NextPart_000_007B_01D54130.67AD1650-- --===============7679408077362891805== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7679408077362891805==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 07:57:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140B3A0BFB for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48A9A09D4 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id pvHfhXVMHP088pvHihaWSH; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:56:54 +0000 To: Mg List References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:56:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US LLmSE1Q+1CfKh4K0MewbPA40oEyPheyDgJTkzmN01LdFekOkk7OBLOR7 Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0686531189667231310== boundary="------------76409A7B23DBCD693BB0E242" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------76409A7B23DBCD693BB0E242 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not true, Max.� When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.� Without the condenser the engine may not even start.� Try it some time. :-) CR On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the > points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > > >> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs > >> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. >> How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy >> new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, >> until replaced with� a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. >> Ira Erbs >> Portland,OR >> � _______ � �_______ >> �� (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) >> (_________________________) >> BT7 engine and disk brakes >> >> >> 1967 MGB MG >> >> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti >> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs >> >> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >> for some confirmation (or not).� The local Mom-without-Pop store put >> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 >> octane (US) >> alcohol-free gas.� I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high >> compression engine) so I went to fill up.� The pump with the alcohol- >> free gas was out of order!� So I put in three gallons of regular 92 >> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing >> a lot >> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.� I continued >> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up >> and it >> never did.� I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've >> never >> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >> >> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station >> seems >> like pretty good evidence.� Any other possibilities?� Is there >> any option >> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> David Brenemandavid_breneman@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation� $12.75 >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgshttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation �$12.75 >> >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgshttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------76409A7B23DBCD693BB0E242 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not true, Max.� When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.� Without the condenser the engine may not even start.� Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with� a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

� � � _______ � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �_______
� �� (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
� � � �� (_________________________)

� � � � � BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB �

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking

for some confirmation (or not).� The local Mom-without-Pop store put

in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas.� I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high

compression engine) so I went to fill up.� The pump with the alcohol-

free gas was out of order!� So I put in three gallons of regular 92�

octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.� I continued

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did.� I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never

encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidence.� Any other possibilities?� Is there any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!��

David Breneman��david_breneman@yahoo.com

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--------------76409A7B23DBCD693BB0E242-- --===============0686531189667231310== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0686531189667231310==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 09:04:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15580A0C14 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (unknown [206.152.134.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AAFA08B9 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:03:45 -0600 (MDT) c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@centurytel.net; t=1563894225; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=HdLQAHffD2BmjIPvBUyHBO7TLZU=; b=TVcsb5nifdXAlUSUWHVDgC3gnjKnU3j2OzYGlimORFLQ/pg0wA8nwJglU4Y331o+ e7o9ZqKnG/3tiijtIqOts3BM+uDTkTEankNX4vue0tTcwOFTORSBbdbSwPF97JEC Zo7AdfZobBMlL+BkrGr5mmiMduw1z3Z23/SeEbuGyPxcB5nQvblEQwzYh2vQSis3 3LdDerZVCfuWeNRzeHZ3fNpMR60ymaOMeqBzCTKjkcRVJGY7VXYQTzm+Yv+q1ECe fgzy3rG422qUjRDBM8uzmbyOr8LNBjAUmdP4jKj+t60jYAzOkY51tx3UdcZG6qAA D0FFcHZhyFJ3HP3+117D/g==; X_CMAE_Category: , , a=HqHPkhfgkrpqu8ZEUG3YJA==:117 a=HqHPkhfgkrpqu8ZEUG3YJA==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=f_jrNbA2oR0A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=rkNdqidYQHsfcG0ia_QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=FtYBwq_TAjXBhbzzCjcA:9 a=lDNl2lIEhZKvKMjIUR5gOGDH5rM=:19 a=nN2jBepRc5CrPsZy:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx Authentication-Results: smtp02.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ddarby; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [38.131.214.229] ([38.131.214.229:56050] helo=Mowog) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id E6/41-18790-0D1273D5; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:03:44 -0400 To: References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> <6f61f714-0475-486a-37f9-acb9a0864ab5@twc.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:03:43 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKcm8ylUC3E0+NS/RhefR+LIqc1xAJnz794AbbvxlIBP2yA2AJuoH53pQswq/A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: "David F. Darby via Mgs" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1997974514042215644== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01D5413D.E9B76B20" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D5413D.E9B76B20 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway once. David On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. Ira Erbs Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes 1967 MGB A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs wrote: I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US) alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? Thanks! David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D5413D.E9B76B20 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway = once.

David

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs = wrote:

How = do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points = from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. =

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

could also = be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is = the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts = out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced = with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs =
Portland,OR<= o:p>
_______ = = _______
   (______ = \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
   = (_________________________)<= /span>
= BT7 engine and disk = brakes
<= /o:p>
<= /o:p>
1967 MGB =
<= /o:p>
A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti<= /span>
Please = excuse random auto corrects and misspelled = words
<= /o:p>

On Mon, Jul = 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
I've never = encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm = looking
for some = confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store = put
in new = pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane = (US)
alcohol-fre= e gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB = high
compression= engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the = alcohol-
free gas = was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92
octane, = and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a = lot
of = misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I = continued
driving = like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and = it=
never = did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've = never=
encountered= "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of = driving.=
=
The fact = that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems=
like = pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option=
other than = to just burn through this half tank of gas?=
=
Thanks!&nbs= p; =
=
David = Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com

------=_NextPart_000_008F_01D5413D.E9B76B20-- --===============1997974514042215644== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1997974514042215644==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 09:45:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8AAA0A70 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFB1A07C2 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id pwyAhaIn4P088pwyChcFm4; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:44:52 +0000 To: "David F. Darby" , mgs@autox.team.net References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> <6f61f714-0475-486a-37f9-acb9a0864ab5@twc.com> <008e01d54167$d2889120$7799b360$@centurytel.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:44:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US 2H0FVu+NNMDqpdd2K+njowdJ1AKJVDxTfjqtqWaCSceqHhUcILFxvhPEm233tSFeRbgIwiRr/N/bvhZXm53RFIRyBTgluT7qYpk= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2946475394392272384== boundary="------------F12CE5E75DFE883C20A6ADF7" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F12CE5E75DFE883C20A6ADF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I carry a condenser, points & rotor in my emergency kit.� If I ever get around to rebuilding the stock fuel pump that I recently replaced, I'll carry it also. CR On 7/23/2019 10:03 AM, David F. Darby via Mgs wrote: > > A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway once. > > David > > On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent > the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. > > -- > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs > > could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not > causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there > are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad > ones with similar results, until replaced with� a Distributor > Doctor HD condenser. > > Ira Erbs > > Portland,OR > > � � � _______ �_______ > � �� (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > > � � � � BT7 engine and disk brakes > > 1967 MGB > > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario > Andretti > > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs > > I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm > looking > > for some confirmation (or not).� The local Mom-without-Pop > store put > > in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now > is 92 octane (US) > > alcohol-free gas.� I had about a quarter tank in my MGA > (w/MGB high > > compression engine) so I went to fill up.� The pump with > the alcohol- > > free gas was out of order!� So I put in three gallons of > regular 92 > > octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started > experiencing a lot > > of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.� I > continued > > driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would > clear up and it > > never did.� I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, > but I've never > > encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of > driving. > > The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the > station seems > > like pretty good evidence.� Any other possibilities?� Is > there any option > > other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? > > Thanks! > > David Brenemandavid_breneman@yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------F12CE5E75DFE883C20A6ADF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I carry a condenser, points & rotor in my emergency kit.� If I ever get around to rebuilding the stock fuel pump that I recently replaced, I'll carry it also.�

CR

On 7/23/2019 10:03 AM, David F. Darby via Mgs wrote:

A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway once.

�

David

�

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

�

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

�

�

�

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

�

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with� a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs

Portland,OR

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� �� (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
� � � �� (_________________________)

� � � � � BT7 engine and disk brakes

�

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1967 MGB �

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�

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On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking

for some confirmation (or not).� The local Mom-without-Pop store put

in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas.� I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high

compression engine) so I went to fill up.� The pump with the alcohol-

free gas was out of order!� So I put in three gallons of regular 92�

octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.� I continued

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did.� I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never

encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

�

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidence.� Any other possibilities?� Is there any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

�

Thanks!��

�

David Breneman��david_breneman@yahoo.com
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--------------F12CE5E75DFE883C20A6ADF7-- --===============2946475394392272384== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2946475394392272384==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 10:03:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1965BA07B0 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92402A07A9 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6NG386S032003 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:03:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:03:08 -0700 References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> <7c65e28c-2116-aa7f-484a-69acb1ee3ddc@twc.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0265290427399741744== boundary="Apple-Mail=_9A9B3D38-63A9-439B-B9FC-E6DFECA0A64C" --Apple-Mail=_9A9B3D38-63A9-439B-B9FC-E6DFECA0A64C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see = an explanation for an intermediate state. -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net > On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson = wrote: >=20 > Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through = the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the = engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-) >=20 > CR >=20 > On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the = points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >> '66 MGB >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs >>=20 >>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not = causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of = crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar = results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. >>> Ira Erbs >>> Portland,OR >>> _______ _______ >>> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) >>> (_________________________) >>> BT7 engine and disk brakes >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 1967 MGB =20 >>>=20 >>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti >>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs = >>> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >>> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put >>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 = octane (US) >>> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high >>> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the = alcohol- >>> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20= >>> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a = lot >>> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued >>> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and = it >>> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've = never >>> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >>>=20 >>> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems >>> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option >>> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >>>=20 >>> Thanks! =20 >>>=20 >>> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com = ______ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com = >>> _______________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>=20 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>=20 >>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_9A9B3D38-63A9-439B-B9FC-E6DFECA0A64C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99= t see an explanation for an intermediate state.

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> = wrote:
=20 =20
Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. = :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via = Mgs wrote:
How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also = be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

_______ = = = _______
   (______ = \____1959 BN4____/ = _______)
   = (_________________________)

= BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Mon, Jul 22, = 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never = encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm = looking

for some = confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop = store put

in new pumps, and = one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free = gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB = high

compression engine) = so I went to fill up. The pump with the = alcohol-

free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of = regular 92

octane, and about = 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I = continued

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did. I can't imagine it's anything = but the fuel, but I've = never

encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems

like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!
=

David Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com

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= --Apple-Mail=_9A9B3D38-63A9-439B-B9FC-E6DFECA0A64C-- --===============0265290427399741744== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0265290427399741744==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 10:16:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF0AA0A75 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CA2A09BD for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id pxSGhMq74WnTipxSIh3yxR; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:15:58 +0000 To: Max Heim , MG List References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> <7c65e28c-2116-aa7f-484a-69acb1ee3ddc@twc.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:15:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US Hh1XLPR+XPjQn9FlHh7HWOfozV5apLxt4vbsxH3tovzDA9kZL8S8b4dFK9q7HvylqdjHhrE+8eQEOA== Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7729262014439091350== boundary="------------3A820001126F72706DAF012C" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3A820001126F72706DAF012C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What do you mean by "intermediate state"? CR On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don’t see an > explanation for an intermediate state. > > -- > Max Heim > > > >> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson > >> Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges >> through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the >> condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-) >> >> CR >> >> On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent >>> the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. >>> >>> -- >>> Max Heim >>> '66 MGB >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs >>> >>>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not >>>> causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are >>>> lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with >>>> similar results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD >>>> condenser. >>>> Ira Erbs >>>> Portland,OR >>>> _______ _______ >>>> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) >>>> (_________________________) >>>> BT7 engine and disk brakes >>>> >>>> >>>> 1967 MGB MG >>>> >>>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti >>>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs >>>> >>>> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >>>> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop >>>> store put >>>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 >>>> octane (US) >>>> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high >>>> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the >>>> alcohol- >>>> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 >>>> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started >>>> experiencing a lot >>>> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued >>>> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear >>>> up and it >>>> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but >>>> I've never >>>> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >>>> >>>> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the >>>> station seems >>>> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there >>>> any option >>>> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> David Brenemandavid_breneman@yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgshttp://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>> >>>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgshttp://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mgs@autox.team.net >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------3A820001126F72706DAF012C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What do you mean by "intermediate state"?

CR

On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don’t see an explanation for an intermediate state.
--

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mvheim@sonic.net
On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

_______ _______
   (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
   (_________________________)

BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking

for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put

in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high

compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol-

free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92

octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never

encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!

David Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com

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--------------3A820001126F72706DAF012C-- --===============7729262014439091350== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============7729262014439091350==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 23 10:45:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E45A0AE0 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FA5A0816 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x6NGjQ3J006145 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:45:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:45:25 -0700 References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> <7c65e28c-2116-aa7f-484a-69acb1ee3ddc@twc.com> <02f74785-8ced-6e5c-5740-0a19b52a88a8@twc.com> To: MG List Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Max Heim via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1456845438093975036== boundary="Apple-Mail=_D37F7EC9-D0FB-4D96-94BD-5B07AD228918" --Apple-Mail=_D37F7EC9-D0FB-4D96-94BD-5B07AD228918 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot = running=E2=80=9D. -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson = wrote: >=20 > What do you mean by "intermediate state"? >=20 > CR >=20 > On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t = see an explanation for an intermediate state. >>=20 >> -- >> Max Heim >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson >>=20 >>> Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges = through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the = condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-) >>>=20 >>> CR >>>=20 >>> On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: >>>> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent = the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Max Heim >>>> '66 MGB >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs >>>>=20 >>>>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not = causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of = crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar = results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. >>>>> Ira Erbs >>>>> Portland,OR >>>>> _______ _______ >>>>> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) >>>>> (_________________________) >>>>> BT7 engine and disk brakes >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1967 MGB =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti >>>>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs = >>>>> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >>>>> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store = put >>>>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 = octane (US) >>>>> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB = high >>>>> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the = alcohol- >>>>> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular = 92=20 >>>>> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a = lot >>>>> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I = continued >>>>> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up = and it >>>>> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've = never >>>>> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems >>>>> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option >>>>> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks! =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com = ______ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com = >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>=20 >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>>>=20 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>>>=20 >>>> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com = >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_D37F7EC9-D0FB-4D96-94BD-5B07AD228918 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to = =E2=80=9Cnot running=E2=80=9D.

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> = wrote:
=20 =20
What do you mean by "intermediate state"?

CR

On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via = Mgs wrote:
I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t = see an explanation for an intermediate state.
--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net
On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley = Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
Not = true, Max. When the points open, the condenser = discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not even = start. Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--

Max Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Distributor = Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

_______ = = = _______
   (______ \____1959 BN4____/ = _______)
   = (_________________________)

= BT7 engine and disk = brakes

1967 MGB

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On = Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've = never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking

for some confirmation (or not). The = local Mom-without-Pop store put

in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter = tank in my MGA (w/MGB high

compression engine) so I went to fill = up. The pump with the alcohol-

free gas = was out of order! So I put in = three gallons of regular 92

octane, = and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. = I continued

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did. I can't imagine = it's anything but the fuel, but I've never

encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of = driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidence. = Any other possibilities? Is = there any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of = gas?

Thanks!
=

David Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com

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Replaced the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred miles, then failed again. Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stock one, car ran fine until I replace with HD condenser. On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:45 AM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot r= unning=E2=80=9D. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: > > What do you mean by "intermediate state"? > > CR > > On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an > explanation for an intermediate state. > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: > > Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through th= e > coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine > may not even start. Try it some time. :-) > > CR > > On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the > points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: > > could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How > old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas > parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replace= d > with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. > Ira Erbs > Portland,OR > _______ _______ > (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > BT7 engine and disk brakes > > > 1967 MGB [image: MG] > > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put >> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (U= S) >> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high >> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- >> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 >> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot >> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued >> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it >> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never >> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >> >> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems >> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any optio= n >> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.co= m > --0000000000002bbd02058e5c5514 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My car ran rough, backfired and coughed under load, but d= id ok at low speeds. Replaced the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred mi= les, then failed again.=C2=A0 Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stoc= k one, car ran fine until I replace with HD condenser.=C2=A0

On Tue, Jul 23,= 2019, 9:45 AM Max Heim via Mgs <m= gs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Rough running, which was the stated sympt= om, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot running=E2=80=9D.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charle= y Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

=20 =20 =20
What do you mean by "intermediate state"?

CR

On 7/23/2019 11:03 = AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

=20 I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t se= e an explanation for an intermediate state.

--

Max Heim

mvheim@sonic.net

On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

=20
Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the condenser the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22= /2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:

=20 How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--

Max Heim

'66 = MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor = HD condenser.

= Ira Erbs
Portland,OR<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _____= __ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0____= ___
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (________________= _________)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =C2=A0

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

I've never encountered a "bad fuel" pr= oblem before, so I'm looking

for some confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The loca= l Mom-without-Pop store put

in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high

compression engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 T= he pump with the alcohol-

free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92=C2=A0

octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did.=C2=A0 I can't imagine it= 's anything but the fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad fuel" situation li= ke this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is the= re any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!=C2=A0= =C2=A0

David Breneman=C2=A0=C2=A0david_breneman@yahoo.com<= /div>

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Darby via Mgs" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3385483387241589972== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FE_01D54152.F85484F0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01D54152.F85484F0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When this happened I had a complete kit of ignition parts with me EXCEPT a condenser. DFD From: Charley Robinson [mailto:Charley38@twc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:45 AM To: David F. Darby; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question I carry a condenser, points & rotor in my emergency kit. If I ever get around to rebuilding the stock fuel pump that I recently replaced, I'll carry it also. CR On 7/23/2019 10:03 AM, David F. Darby via Mgs wrote: A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway once. David On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. Ira Erbs Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes 1967 MGB A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs wrote: I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US) alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? Thanks! David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01D54152.F85484F0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When this happened I had a complete kit of ignition parts with me = EXCEPT a condenser.

DFD

From: Charley Robinson [mailto:Charley38@twc.com]
Sent: = Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:45 AM
To: David F. Darby; = mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel = Question

I carry a condenser, points & rotor = in my emergency kit. If I ever get around to rebuilding the stock = fuel pump that I recently replaced, I'll carry it also. =

CR

On 7/23/2019 10:03 = AM, David F. Darby via Mgs wrote:

A failed condenser stopped my MGB on the highway = once.

David

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs = wrote:
How = do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points = from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. =

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

could also = be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is = the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts = out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced = with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs =
Portland,OR<= /span>
_______ = = _______
   (______ = \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
   = (_________________________)
= BT7 engine and disk = brakes

1967 MGB =

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti
Please = excuse random auto corrects and misspelled = words

On Mon, Jul = 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
I've never = encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm = looking
for some = confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store = put
in new = pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane = (US)
alcohol-fre= e gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB = high
compression= engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the = alcohol-
free gas = was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92
octane, = and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a = lot
of = misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I = continued
driving = like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and = it
never = did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've = never
encountered= "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of = driving.

The fact = that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems
like = pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option
other than = to just burn through this half tank of = gas?

Thanks!&nbs= p;

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If they fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing across the points, leading to rough running. Simon On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an > explanation for an intermediate state. > > -- > Max Heim > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: > > Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through th= e > coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine > may not even start. Try it some time. :-) > > CR > > On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the > points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. > > -- > Max Heim > '66 MGB > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: > > could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How > old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas > parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replace= d > with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. > Ira Erbs > Portland,OR > _______ _______ > (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > BT7 engine and disk brakes > > > 1967 MGB [image: MG] > > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > >> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking >> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put >> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (U= S) >> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high >> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- >> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 >> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot >> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued >> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it >> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never >> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. >> >> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems >> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any optio= n >> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? >> >> Thanks! >> >> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@gmail.com > --000000000000ab86a9058e5d8381 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they= fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (= infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through = arcing across the points, leading to rough running.

Simon

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via= Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> w= rote:

I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t s= ee an explanation for an intermediate state.
--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net
On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charle= y Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the condenser the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 = PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
=20 How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--

Max = Heim

'66 MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \_= ___1959 BN4____/ _______)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______________________= ___)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB =C2=A0

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net= > wrote:

I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm l= ooking

for some confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store p= ut

in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)

alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high

compression engine) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-=

free gas was out of order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92=C2=A0

octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot

of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continu= ed

driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it

never did.=C2=A0 I can't imagine it's anyth= ing but the fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 4= 4 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems

like pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option

other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?

Thanks!=C2=A0=C2=A0

David Breneman=C2=A0=C2=A0david_breneman@yahoo.com

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Darby via Mgs" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3912361329799149401== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0112_01D54169.E3F2CF50" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01D54169.E3F2CF50 boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0113_01D54169.E3F2CF50" ------=_NextPart_001_0113_01D54169.E3F2CF50 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know. =20 DFD =20 From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Simon = Matthews via Mgs Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM To: Max Heim Cc: MGS Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question =20 Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed = (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite = capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing = across the points, leading to rough running. =20 Simon =20 On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs = wrote: I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see = an explanation for an intermediate state. =20 -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net =20 =20 =20 On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: =20 Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through = the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the = engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-) CR On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the = points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.=20 =20 -- Max Heim '66 MGB =20 =20 =20 On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: =20 could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. = How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new = Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until = replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. Ira Erbs=20 Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes =20 =20 1967 MGB Description: Image removed by sender. MG =20 A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words =20 =20 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs = wrote: I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane = (US) alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20 octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. =20 The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? =20 Thanks! =20 =20 David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: = http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net =20 =20 _______________________________________________ =20 Mgs@autox.team.net =20 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive =20 Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_001_0113_01D54169.E3F2CF50 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.

DFD

From:= = Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Simon = Matthews via Mgs
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 = PM
To: Max Heim
Cc: MGS
Subject: Re: [Mgs] = Bad Fuel Question

Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If = they fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail = open (infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost = through arcing across the points, leading to rough = running.

Simon

On = Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

I = understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an = explanation for an intermediate state.
--
Max = Heim
mvheim@sonic.net
On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> = wrote:
Not true, Max. When the points = open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate = the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not even = start. Try it some time. :-)

CR
On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs = wrote:
How = do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points = from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. =

--
Max = Heim
'66 = MGB

On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:

could also = be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is = the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts = out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced = with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs =
Portland,OR<= o:p>
_______ = = _______
   (______ = \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
   = (_________________________)<= /span>
= BT7 engine and disk = brakes
<= /o:p>
<= /o:p>
1967 MGB =
<= /o:p>
A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario = Andretti<= /span>
Please = excuse random auto corrects and misspelled = words
<= /o:p>

On Mon, Jul = 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> = wrote:
I've never = encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm = looking
for some = confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store = put
in new = pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane = (US)
alcohol-fre= e gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB = high
compression= engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the = alcohol-
free gas = was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92
octane, = and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a = lot
of = misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I = continued
driving = like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and = it=
never = did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've = never=
encountered= "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of = driving.=
=
The fact = that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station = seems=
like = pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any = option=
other = than to just burn through this half tank of gas?=
=
Thanks!&nbs= p; =
=
David = Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com
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Darby" Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Simon Matthews via Mgs Cc: MGS Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6104740648914668453== --0000000000002733cf058e5f31cc --0000000000002733cb058e5f31cb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quick correction, I should have written zero capacitance, not infinite. On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 PM David F. Darby via Mgs wrote: > Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know. > > > > DFD > > > > *From:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Simon > Matthews via Mgs > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM > *To:* Max Heim > *Cc:* MGS > *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question > > > > Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed > (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite > capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing > across the points, leading to rough running. > > > > Simon > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs wrote= : > > I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an > explanation for an intermediate state. > > > > -- > > Max Heim > > mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: > > > > Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through th= e > coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine > may not even start. Try it some time. :-) > > CR > > On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: > > How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the > points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. > > > > -- > > Max Heim > > '66 MGB > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: > > > > could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How > old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas > parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replace= d > with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. > > Ira Erbs > > Portland,OR > > _______ _______ > (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) > (_________________________) > > BT7 engine and disk brakes > > > > > > 1967 MGB [image: Description: Image removed by sender. MG] > > > > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti > > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs < > mgs@autox.team.net> wrote: > > I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking > > for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put > > in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US= ) > > alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high > > compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- > > free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 > > octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot > > of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued > > driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it > > never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never > > encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. > > > > The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems > > like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option > > other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.co= m > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mgs@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/simon.d.matthews@gmail.com > --0000000000002733cb058e5f31cb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Quick correction, I should have written zero capacitance,= not infinite.

On Tu= e, Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 PM David F. Darby via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.
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From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.te= am.net] On Behalf Of Simon Matthews via Mgs
Sent: Tues= day, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM
To: Max Heim
Cc: MGS
S= ubject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
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Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed (sho= rted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite capacita= nce), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing across the= points, leading to rough running.
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I underst= and how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an explanatio= n for an intermediate state.
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On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.= com> wrote:
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Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges thro= ugh the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the condenser = the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. :-)

CR=
On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim v= ia Mgs wrote:
How do bad condensers cause rou= gh running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are say= ing the points are burnt.
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could also be a bad a= condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? = Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had t= hree bad ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor= Doctor HD condenser.
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2019= at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I've neve= r encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking<= /u>
for som= e confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps= , and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)
alcohol-free= gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high<= /span>
compression engine= ) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-
free gas was out of or= der!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92=C2=A0=
octane, an= d about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot<= /span>
of misfiring, most= ly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued=
d= riving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
never did.=C2=A0 I can't imag= ine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad fuel" situation like t= his in 44 years of driving.=
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The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems
like pretty good evidence.=C2= =A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option
other than to just burn through this half tank of= gas?
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Thanks!=C2=A0= =C2=A0
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Not quite right. With the points closed the = condenser is=20 discharged as it is connected across the points. When they open it = charges=20 up, as the coil is discharging. The current/voltage characteristic = of a=20 condenser (aka capacitor) is 90 degrees out of phase with an = inductor i.e.=20 the coil. This makes it a tuned circuit as in a radio, and an = oscillation=20 is set up, which increases the HT amplitude and its = duration. =20 That's why an engine will always run badly without a condenser, = and may not=20 even run at all, depending on several other factors.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

Not true, = Max. =20 When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in = order to=20 perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not = even=20 start. Try it some time. :-)
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01D541FA.8AE46130-- --===============4429164594585746702== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============4429164594585746702==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 24 05:24:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968DDA0E7C for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 05:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-cmomta03.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.73.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17435A07BC for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 05:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.51] ([70.122.54.48]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id qFNfhgdxaWnTiqFNhhEnTV; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:24:25 +0000 To: Max Heim , Mg List , PaulHunt73 References: <773266378.5449731.1563816981900.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <773266378.5449731.1563816981900@mail.yahoo.com> <1212B08C-5593-45F0-9FF8-7DC9B6E1398F@sonic.net> <6f61f714-0475-486a-37f9-acb9a0864ab5@twc.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:24:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Content-Language: en-US pYg6NEhAeYfGdNs54C5++rAYXSiuXC+UFfac/5/H6nqUwziPD3sOsJhBGfvY5ByH2cU3thjApOAMr+5O0G5wyJZZ5UE/+iIGs8c= Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question From: Charley Robinson via Mgs Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8353863171481727577== boundary="------------F4D491AA6B944BF56F29A90A" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F4D491AA6B944BF56F29A90A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK and you left out that it's the back EMF from the coil, which is much more than 12 volts, that charges the condenser and so on as you describe in a series resonant circuit.�� My bad, I tried to keep it simple. Anyway you look at it a leaky (partial short) or open condenser degrades the spark and results in rough running.� A fully shorted condenser means there will be no spark at all since that's the same as the points not opening. CR On 7/24/2019 2:34 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote: > Not quite right.� With the points closed the condenser is discharged > as it is connected across the points. When they open it charges up, as > the coil is discharging.� The current/voltage characteristic of a > condenser (aka capacitor)�is 90 degrees out of phase with an inductor > i.e. the coil.� This makes it a tuned circuit as in a radio, and an > oscillation is set up, which increases�the HT amplitude and its > duration.�� That's why an engine will always run badly without a > condenser, and�may not even run at all, depending on several other > factors. > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Not true, Max.� When the points open, the condenser discharges > through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.� Without the > condenser the engine may not even start.� Try it some time. :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com --------------F4D491AA6B944BF56F29A90A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK and you left out that it's the back EMF from the coil, which is much more than 12 volts, that charges the condenser and so on as you describe in a series resonant circuit.�� My bad, I tried to keep it simple.�

Anyway you look at it a leaky (partial short) or open condenser degrades the spark and results in rough running.� A fully shorted condenser means there will be no spark at all since that's the same as the points not opening.

CR

On 7/24/2019 2:34 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs wrote:

Not quite right.� With the points closed the condenser is discharged as it is connected across the points.� When they open it charges up, as the coil is discharging.� The current/voltage characteristic of a condenser (aka capacitor)�is 90 degrees out of phase with an inductor i.e. the coil.� This makes it a tuned circuit as in a radio, and an oscillation is set up, which increases�the HT amplitude and its duration.�� That's why an engine will always run badly without a condenser, and�may not even run at all, depending on several other factors.

�

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----

Not true, Max.� When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.� Without the condenser the engine may not even start.� Try it some time. :-)
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Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens i erbs via Mgs Verzonden: dinsdag 23 juli 2019 19:15 Aan: Max Heim CC: mglist Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question My car ran rough, backfired and coughed under load, but did ok at low speed= s. Replaced the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred miles, then failed a= gain. Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stock one, car ran fine unt= il I replace with HD condenser. On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:45 AM Max Heim via Mgs wrote: Rough running, which was the stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot run= ning=E2=80=9D. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: What do you mean by "intermediate state"? CR On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an e= xplanation for an intermediate state. -- Max Heim mvheim@sonic.net On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson wrote: Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through the = coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine ma= y not even start. Try it some time. :-) CR On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote: How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the point= s from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. -- Max Heim '66 MGB On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs wrote: could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How o= ld is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas par= ts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced wit= h a Distributor Doctor HD condenser. Ira Erbs Portland,OR _______ _______ (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) (_________________________) BT7 engine and disk brakes 1967 MGB MG A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs wrote: I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US) alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol- free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92 octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving. The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option other than to just burn through this half tank of gas? Thanks! David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail= /mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charley38@twc.com _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/eyera3000@gmail.com --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware.= https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01D5431E.62E3E500 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I regularly wear a t-shirt with the text Lucas =E2=80=93 King of Darkness= =E2=80=A6

Cheers, = Hans

71 BGT N= RG WW =E2=80=93 kept in the garage as temps are at 37+ C overhere now=E2=80= =A6

It never = was so hot in the Netherlands.

Van: Mgs [mailto= :mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens i erbs via Mgs
Verzonden:<= /b> dinsdag 23 juli 2019 19:15
Aan: Max Heim
CC: mglist=
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question

My car ran = rough, backfired and coughed under load, but did ok at low speeds. Replaced= the condenser , ran fine for a few hundred miles, then failed again. = Both were new Lucas units. Put in an old stock one, car ran fine until I r= eplace with HD condenser.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:4= 5 AM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.t= eam.net> wrote:

Rough running, which was the = stated symptom, as opposed to =E2=80=9Cnot running=E2=80=9D.
=

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:<= /p>

What do you mean by "intermediat= e state"?

CR
On 7/23/20= 19 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
I understand= how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an explanation f= or an intermediate state.
&nb= sp;
--
Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net

= ;
=
On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <= ;Charley38@twc.com> wrote:

Not true, Ma= x. When the points open, the condenser discharges through the coil in= order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine may = not even start. Try it some time. :-)

CR
O= n 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
How d= o bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points fro= m burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.

--
Max Heim
'66= MGB

=

On Jul 22, 2= 019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

could also be= a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the con= denser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there.= I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced with a Dis= tributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR=
_______ &nb= sp; &= nbsp;_______
   (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
   (___= ______________________)
= BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB

A racing car= is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti=
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspell= ed words
=

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs = <mgs@autox.team.= net> wrote:
I've never encou= ntered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
for some confirmation (or not). The l= ocal Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US= )
alcohol-free gas. I h= ad about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump w= ith the alcohol-
free gas was= out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92
octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station start= ed experiencing a lot
= of misf= iring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued
driving like this for about 20 miles to= see if it would clear up and it
never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but = I've never
encountered = "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.

The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving t= he station seems
like p= retty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any opti= on
other than to just= burn through this half tank of gas?

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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 07:09:01 -0500
To: MGs 
Subject: [Mgs] Saturday
From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs 
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Hello Friends,
   Its Saturday again here on America's south coast. Another fun day is
beginning. This one is dedicated to the TR6.
   I had intended to take my LBC to the painter on Monday but the weather
forecast has changed my mind. Instead, I am addressing an issue that I had
originally intended to save for after paint. Specifically, brakes.
   While bleeding the all-new brakes a few months ago, my grandson over
extended the piston in the brake master cylinder. Doing so damaged the rear
brake circuit part of the MC. My car now has a new MC installed and we are
ready to bleed the system again. This time I am placing a 2x6 board in the
pedal box thereby limiting the pedal/MC piston throw.
   My junior mechanic - six-year-old grandson Kelum - is helping me again
today. Yea, the same guy with the offending lead foot, but this time he's
helping with the jack, jack stands, lug wrench, and wheel removal. Its
going to be a fun, hot, dirty morning. Can't wait.

Rick

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Hello Friends,=C2=A0 =C2=A0Its Satu=
rday again here on America's south coast. Another fun day is beginning.=
 This one is dedicated to the TR6.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I had intended to take my LBC to the painter o=
n Monday but the weather forecast has changed my mind. Instead, I am addres=
sing an issue that I had originally intended to save for after paint. Speci=
fically, brakes.
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0While bleeding the all-new brakes a few months ago, my grandso=
n over extended the piston in the brake master cylinder. Doing so damaged t=
he rear brake circuit part of the MC. My car now has a new MC installed and=
 we are ready to bleed the system again. This time I am placing a 2x6 board=
 in the pedal box thereby limiting the pedal/MC piston throw.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0My junior mechanic =
- six-year-old grandson Kelum - is helping me again today. Yea, the same gu=
y with the offending lead foot, but this time he's helping with the jac=
k, jack stands, lug wrench, and wheel removal. Its going to be a fun, hot, =
dirty morning. Can't wait.

Ri=
ck

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To: MGs 
Subject: [Mgs] Locks, etc. (Slightly OT
From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs 
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Hello Friends,
   This morning, with your advice and my grandson's help, I removed the
door locks from the TR6 door skins. (Similar to MG locks.) The lock
assemblies have since been cleaned, inside and out. The chrome finish isn't
concours perfect but the locks work well and will look fine when installed
with a new black sealing gasket. Thanks, friends, for your help.
   Further to the brakes issue; I have decided to remove and rebuild the
brake failure switch and fluid distribution block. That is the workplan for
tomorrow morning.

Rick


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 10:56 AM Richard Lindsay wrote:

   Also took the door lock cylinders off of the doors today. I'll clean and
prep them for installation after paint. I already have the rubber seals to
waterproof the locks.

Rick

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Hello Friends,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This morning, with your advice and my grandson's help, I =
removed the door locks from the TR6 door skins. (Similar to MG locks.) The =
lock assemblies have since been cleaned, inside and out. The chrome finish =
isn't concours perfect but the locks work well and will look fine when =
installed with a new black sealing gasket. Thanks, friends, for your help.<=
/div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Further to the brakes issue;=
 I have decided to remove and rebuild the brake failure switch and fluid di=
stribution block. That is the workplan for tomorrow morning.=C2=A0

Rick=

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 10:56 AM Richard =
Lindsay wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Also took the door lock cylinders off of the doors t=
oday. I'll clean and prep them for installation after paint. I already =
have the rubber seals to waterproof the locks.

<=
/div>Rick



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Look at this webpage:  https://mossmotors.com/rear-drum-brake-components

 

Look at part 86.

 

Part 87 goes through the hub, through the brake shoe, through 85 (spring)
and through 86.  Part 87 has a T shaped top that goes through a slot in 86,
then you turn it and it is supposed to hold.  Right rear, one brake shoe,
part 87 pulls through part 86 and allows the brake shoe (82) to constantly
run against the hub (90).

 

I've gone through several of these (part 86) including some new ones.  Is
there any cure other than to keep getting new ones until one finally works?


 

When I got the car, all 4 had let go.  I replaced all  four with new ones.
The driver side settled in, but on the passenger side both let go.  2 more,
and now one has let go.

 

Thoughts?


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Part 87 goes through the hub, through the brake shoe, =
through 85 (spring) and through 86.  Part 87 has a T shaped top =
that goes through a slot in 86, then you turn it and it is supposed to =
hold.  Right rear, one brake shoe, part 87 pulls through part 86 =
and allows the brake shoe (82) to constantly run against the hub =
(90).
 
I’ve gone through several of these (part 86) =
including some new ones.  Is there any cure other than to keep =
getting new ones until one finally works?  
 
When I got =
the car, all 4 had let go.  I replaced all  four with new =
ones.  The driver side settled in, but on the passenger side both =
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Looking for the simplest solution first and something you may have =
already done; you might try replacing both parts 87 & 86 at the same =
time.=20

Charley Robinson

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 10:28 PM, dave via Mgs  wrote:
>=20
> Look at this webpage:  =
https://mossmotors.com/rear-drum-brake-components =

> =20
> Look at part 86.
> =20
> Part 87 goes through the hub, through the brake shoe, through 85 =
(spring) and through 86.  Part 87 has a T shaped top that goes through a =
slot in 86, then you turn it and it is supposed to hold.  Right rear, =
one brake shoe, part 87 pulls through part 86 and allows the brake shoe =
(82) to constantly run against the hub (90).
> =20
> I=E2=80=99ve gone through several of these (part 86) including some =
new ones.  Is there any cure other than to keep getting new ones until =
one finally works? =20
> =20
> When I got the car, all 4 had let go.  I replaced all  four with new =
ones.  The driver side settled in, but on the passenger side both let =
go.  2 more, and now one has let go.
> =20
> Thoughts?
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Looking for the simplest solution first and something you may =
have already done; you might try replacing both parts 87 & 86 at the =
same time. 
Charley Robinson

On Jul 28, 2019, at 10:28 PM, =
dave via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

Look at =
this webpage:  https://mossmotors.com/rear-drum-brake-components
 
Look at =
part 86.
 
Part 87 goes through the hub, through the brake shoe, through =
85 (spring) and through 86.  Part 87 has a T shaped top that goes =
through a slot in 86, then you turn it and it is supposed to hold.  =
Right rear, one brake shoe, part 87 pulls through part 86 and allows the =
brake shoe (82) to constantly run against the hub (90).
 
I=E2=80=99v=
e gone through several of these (part 86) including some new ones.  =
Is there any cure other than to keep getting new ones until one finally =
works?  
 
When I =
got the car, all 4 had let go.  I replaced all  four with new =
ones.  The driver side settled in, but on the passenger side both =
let go.  2 more, and now one has let go.
 
Thoughts?
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I think you must be assembling it incorrectly. Orienting the shoes =
incorrectly for leading and trailing, or using the wrong hole in the =
shoe. Because I have never had one of those malfunction in any car that =
I can recall.

Or, I know different brake systems use different lengths for the pin =
(87) =E2=80=94 are you sure you are using the right ones?

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> On Jul 28, 2019, at 7:28 PM, dave via Mgs  wrote:
>=20
> Look at this webpage:  =
https://mossmotors.com/rear-drum-brake-components =

> =20
> Look at part 86.
> =20
> Part 87 goes through the hub, through the brake shoe, through 85 =
(spring) and through 86.  Part 87 has a T shaped top that goes through a =
slot in 86, then you turn it and it is supposed to hold.  Right rear, =
one brake shoe, part 87 pulls through part 86 and allows the brake shoe =
(82) to constantly run against the hub (90).
> =20
> I=E2=80=99ve gone through several of these (part 86) including some =
new ones.  Is there any cure other than to keep getting new ones until =
one finally works? =20
> =20
> When I got the car, all 4 had let go.  I replaced all  four with new =
ones.  The driver side settled in, but on the passenger side both let =
go.  2 more, and now one has let go.
> =20
> Thoughts?
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I think you must be assembling it incorrectly. Orienting the =
shoes incorrectly for leading and trailing, or using the wrong hole in =
the shoe. Because I have never had one of those malfunction in any car =
that I can recall.
Or,=
 I know different brake systems use different lengths for the pin (87) =
=E2=80=94 are you sure you are using the right ones?

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wrote:

Look at this webpage:  https://mossmotors.com/rear-drum-brake-components
 
Look at =
part 86.
 
Part 87 goes through the hub, through the brake shoe, through =
85 (spring) and through 86.  Part 87 has a T shaped top that goes =
through a slot in 86, then you turn it and it is supposed to hold.  =
Right rear, one brake shoe, part 87 pulls through part 86 and allows the =
brake shoe (82) to constantly run against the hub (90).
 
I=E2=80=99v=
e gone through several of these (part 86) including some new ones.  =
Is there any cure other than to keep getting new ones until one finally =
works?  
 
When I =
got the car, all 4 had let go.  I replaced all  four with new =
ones.  The driver side settled in, but on the passenger side both =
let go.  2 more, and now one has let go.
 
Thoughts?
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Are MG grills interchangeable?=C2=A0 I have a 72 grill on=C2=A0my 68 GT & w=
ant to replace it.=C2=A0 The original is the most expensive.=C2=A0 I was th=
inking a 1974 grill, maybe.=C2=A0Thanks.Steve HughesGainesville, FL
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Are MG grills interchangeable?  I have a 72 grill on my 68 GT & want to replace it.  The original is the most expensive.  I was thinking a 1974 grill, maybe.

 

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Theoretically, yes, for chrome bumper cars. Your 72 I believe is a =
=E2=80=9Cfish mouth=E2=80=9D so it should have that bit of trim on the =
front of the bonnet that would need to be removed and patched to use =
other grilles. Or maybe it=E2=80=99s missing because the bonnet is 68?

That said, I have had in my possession an original early chrome bumper =
grill (65 or older), a 66 grill, a Moss reproduction 62-69 grill, and an =
original 73-74 grill, and they all have minor variations in fit =
dimensions. So some finagling may be required.


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'66 MGB

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> Are MG grills interchangeable?  I have a 72 grill on my 68 GT & want =
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> =20
> Thanks.
> Steve Hughes
> Gainesville, FL
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Theoretically, yes, for chrome bumper cars. Your 72 I believe =
is a =E2=80=9Cfish mouth=E2=80=9D so it should have that bit of trim on =
the front of the bonnet that would need to be removed and patched to use =
other grilles. Or maybe it=E2=80=99s missing because the bonnet is =
68?
That said, I =
have had in my possession an original early chrome bumper grill (65 or =
older), a 66 grill, a Moss reproduction 62-69 grill, and an original =
73-74 grill, and they all have minor variations in fit dimensions. So =
some finagling may be required.



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'66 MGB



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on my 68 GT & want to replace it.  The original is the =
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Thanks.

Steve Hughes

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Surely the pedal has to be able to go all the way to the floor, if it =
should be needed?

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Exactly so.  The pin will pull through if its T end is too small as well =
as if the slot in the disc is too large.
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'Grille', even, unless it doubles-up over hot coals :o)

A pal had a 72 and the PO had replaced the recessed grille with a chrome =
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to be done I don't know but that PO only had it a year.  RB conversions =
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PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  Are MG grills interchangeable?  I have a 72 grill on my 68 GT & want =
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Exactly my thought but the included instructions warn against over
extending the pedal/piston throw. Perhaps the 'normal' pedal extent doesn't
exceed the piston's limit?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 2:57 AM PaulHunt73  wrote:

> Surely the pedal has to be able to go all the way to the floor, if it
> should be needed?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>    While bleeding the all-new brakes a few months ago, my grandson over
> extended the piston in the brake master cylinder. Doing so damaged the rear
> brake circuit part of the MC.
>
>

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Exactly my thought but the included instructions war=
n against over extending the pedal/piston throw. Perhaps the 'normal=
9; pedal extent doesn't exceed the piston's limit?

On Tue, Jul 30, 201=
9, 2:57 AM PaulHunt73 <pau=
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Surely the pedal has to be able to go all the way to =
the=20
floor, if it should be needed?
=C2=A0

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The only part of the early grille that overlaps the edge of the bonnet is th=
e badge in the center. Often it has so much clearance behind it that the fin=
isher strip might well squeeze in there.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 12:40 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs  wrot=
e:
>=20
> 'Grille', even, unless it doubles-up over hot coals :o)
> =20
> A pal had a 72 and the PO had replaced the recessed grille with a chrome s=
latted, leaving the bright strip on the bonnet.  How much butchery had to be=
 done I don't know but that PO only had it a year.  RB conversions fit the c=
hrome stalled as well, so I'm guessing there isn't that much difference in t=
he aperture.=20
> =20
> PaulH.
> ----- Original Message -----
> Are MG grills interchangeable?  I have a 72 grill on my 68 GT & want to re=
place it.  The original is the most expensive.  I was thinking a 1974 grill,=
 maybe.
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The only part of the early grille that overlaps the edge of the bonnet is the badge in the center. Often it has so much clearance behind it that the finisher strip might well squeeze in there. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2019, at 12:40 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:








'Grille', even, unless it doubles-up over hot 
coals :o)
 
A pal had a 72 and the PO had replaced the recessed 
grille with a chrome slatted, leaving the bright strip on the bonnet.  How 
much butchery had to be done I don't know but that PO only had it a year.  
RB conversions fit the chrome stalled as well, so I'm guessing there isn't that 
much difference in the aperture. 
 
PaulH.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  Are MG grills interchangeable?  I have a 72 grill on my 68 GT 
  & want to replace it.  The original is the most expensive.  I 
  was thinking a 1974 grill, maybe.
   
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:09:16 -0500
To: MGs 
Subject: [Mgs] Wednesday...and brakes
From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs 
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   Do you pronounce it wed-nes-day or do you say wens-day? Yea, its a bit
too quiet and my MG is running fine so I'll report on my other LBC (while
tastefully avoiding using the T-word).

Good morning Friends,
   Yes, its Wednesday again here on America's south coast. This morning I
hope to do a bit of engine room cleaning in advance of installing some new
brake bits. With the brake failure safety light switch (I can't remember
the proper name.) and a few pipes removed for repairs, the area where they
mount is now open for cleaning. Usually that spot is cluttered with pipes
and wires making it difficult to clean. Add to that, its immediately below
the brake and clutch master cylinders so paint damage from brake fluid
leaks and spills is not uncommon. This morning I hope to tidy that area,
then spray a bit of Carmine Red paint over the discolored surface.
   Parts are on order to replace a few damaged bits. Access to the
offending parts is from below so the car, now on jack stands, needs to go
further up. That work is easy enough but does take a bit of time and
planning to guarantee a safe and secure car position. If I'm going under
there, it has to be secure.
   Before today's shop work begins I need to stop at the hardware store for
a bolt (whose length isn't in my inventory) and a plug to seal an unused
fluid port. That's about it. Given a little meterology luck, I may come
home in a more interesting car. We shall see.
   Happy Wed-nes-day...or is it wens-day?

-rick

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Do you pronounce it wed-nes-day or =
do you say wens-day? Yea, its a bit too quiet and my MG is running fine so =
I'll report on my other LBC (while tastefully avoiding using the T-word=
).
Good morning Friends,=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, its Wednesday again here on Ameri=
ca's south coast. This morning I hope to do a bit of engine room cleani=
ng in advance of installing some new brake bits. With the brake failure saf=
ety light switch (I can't remember the proper name.) and a few pipes re=
moved for repairs, the area where they mount is now open for cleaning. Usua=
lly that spot is cluttered with pipes and wires making it difficult to clea=
n. Add to that, its immediately below the brake and clutch master cylinders=
 so paint damage from brake fluid leaks and spills is not uncommon. This mo=
rning I hope to tidy that area, then spray a bit of Carmine Red paint over =
the discolored surface.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Parts are on or=
der to replace a few damaged bits. Access to the offending parts is from be=
low so the car, now on jack stands, needs to go further up. That work is ea=
sy enough but does take a bit of time and planning to guarantee a safe and =
secure car position. If I'm going under there, it has to be secure.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Before today's shop work begins I need=
 to stop at the hardware store for a bolt (whose length isn't in my inv=
entory) and a plug to seal an unused fluid port. That's about it. Given=
 a little meterology luck, I may come home in a more interesting car. We sh=
all see.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Happy Wed-nes-day...or is it w=
ens-day?

-rick=C2=A0



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'Wensday' US, 'Wedn'sday' UK. =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
     Do you pronounce it wed-nes-day or do you say wens-day? Yea, its a =
bit too quiet and my MG is running fine so I'll report on my other LBC =
(while tastefully avoiding using the T-word).


  Good morning Friends,=20
     Yes, its Wednesday again here on America's south coast. This =
morning I hope to do a bit of engine room cleaning in advance of =
installing some new brake bits. With the brake failure safety light =
switch (I can't remember the proper name.) and a few pipes removed for =
repairs, the area where they mount is now open for cleaning. Usually =
that spot is cluttered with pipes and wires making it difficult to =
clean. Add to that, its immediately below the brake and clutch master =
cylinders so paint damage from brake fluid leaks and spills is not =
uncommon. This morning I hope to tidy that area, then spray a bit of =
Carmine Red paint over the discolored surface.
     Parts are on order to replace a few damaged bits. Access to the =
offending parts is from below so the car, now on jack stands, needs to =
go further up. That work is easy enough but does take a bit of time and =
planning to guarantee a safe and secure car position. If I'm going under =
there, it has to be secure.
     Before today's shop work begins I need to stop at the hardware =
store for a bolt (whose length isn't in my inventory) and a plug to seal =
an unused fluid port. That's about it. Given a little meterology luck, I =
may come home in a more interesting car. We shall see.
     Happy Wed-nes-day...or is it wens-day?


  -rick=20




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'Wensday' US, 'Wedn'sday' UK.  

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     Do you pronounce it wed-nes-day or do you =
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  Good morning Friends, 
     Yes, its Wednesday again here on =
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advance of=20
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switch (I=20
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the area=20
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area, then=20
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     Parts are on order to replace a few =
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  Access to the offending parts is from below so the car, now on jack =
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  -rick 
  


  
  


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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Wednesday...and brakes
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Here in the US, I hear a lot of people say Wends-day.
I do occasional voice-over work, and to be correct you need to sneak=20
in a little bit of the D in the right place, but hot as much as the Brits d=
o.It needs to be almost undiscernable, but there.

David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com=20

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Here in the US, I hear a lot of people say Wends-day.

I do occasional voice-over work, and to be correct you need to sneak 
in a little bit of the D in the right place, but hot as much as the Brits do.
It needs to be almost undiscernable, but there.

David Breneman         david_breneman@yahoo.com
        


        
        

            
                
                
                    On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 5:09:37 AM PDT, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
                
                

                

                   Do you pronounce it wed-nes-day or do you say wens-day? Yea, its a bit too quiet and my MG is running fine so I'll report on my other LBC (while tastefully avoiding using the T-word).


            
        
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We have an mga that hasn't moved for about 6 months due to the master
cylinder.  We put all new seals in the brake side of the master cylinder,
and bled all four corners quite a bit.  Clutch works just fine.

 

Took it out for a test, and the brakes work pretty well, driving perhaps a
mile with numerous application of the brakes, just once, the brakes pretty
much failed and I had to pump it quite a bit.  Then they worked fine again
just fine for the rest of the test drive.  Car sat for about an hour, then I
took it out again for another test drive.  Exactly the same - brakes worked
great except just once it was like they failed, but after a good bit of
pumping they came back up and I drove it back in, testing the brakes
numerous times with good results.

 

We don't know how old the hoses are; that's my next item to replace.

 

Any one have any other ideas?


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We have an mga that hasn’t moved for about 6 =
months due to the master cylinder.  We put all new seals in the =
brake side of the master cylinder, and bled all four corners quite a =
bit.  Clutch works just fine.
 
Took it out =
for a test, and the brakes work pretty well, driving perhaps a mile with =
numerous application of the brakes, just once, the brakes pretty much =
failed and I had to pump it quite a bit.  Then they worked fine =
again just fine for the rest of the test drive.  Car sat for about =
an hour, then I took it out again for another test drive.  Exactly =
the same – brakes worked great except just once it was like they =
failed, but after a good bit of pumping they came back up and I drove it =
back in, testing the brakes numerous times with good =
results.
 
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Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA brakes
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs 
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When you say 'failed' I presume you mean the pedal went to the floor?  =
Or at least much further down than normal?  Or did you have a firm pedal =
but poor retardation? =20

Pedal to the floor is unlikely to be hoses, they either burst and stay =
burst, or develop a flap internally that stops that brake (or both rears =
assuming the same as the MGB) from coming off or going on.  If a caliper =
hose it will cause either severe dragging or strong pulling to one side.

Pedal to the floor is either pressure seal failure or air, but air is =
unlikely to come and go.  I've had an MGB clutch master that did much =
the same and it turned out to be the spreader behind the pressure seal =
with a chunk broken away, causing the seal to cock in the bore =
intermittently.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  =20
  Took it out for a test, and the brakes work pretty well, driving =
perhaps a mile with numerous application of the brakes, just once, the =
brakes pretty much failed and I had to pump it quite a bit.  Then they =
worked fine again just fine for the rest of the test drive.  Car sat for =
about an hour, then I took it out again for another test drive.  Exactly =
the same - brakes worked great except just once it was like they failed, =
but after a good bit of pumping they came back up and I drove it back =
in, testing the brakes numerous times with good results.

  =20

  We don't know how old the hoses are; that's my next item to replace.

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When you say 'failed' I presume you mean the pedal =
went to the=20
floor?  Or at least much further down than normal?  Or =
did you=20
have a firm pedal but poor retardation?  
 
Pedal to the floor is unlikely to be hoses, they =
either burst=20
and stay burst, or develop a flap internally that stops that brake (or =
both=20
rears assuming the same as the MGB) from coming off or going on.  =
If a=20
caliper hose it will cause either severe dragging or strong =
pulling to=20
one side.
 
Pedal to the floor is either pressure seal failure =
or air, but=20
air is unlikely to come and go.  I've had an MGB clutch master =
that=20
did much the same and it turned out to be the spreader behind the =
pressure seal=20
with a chunk broken away, causing the seal to cock in the bore=20
intermittently.
 
PaulH.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
   
  
  Took it out for a test, and the brakes work =
pretty well,=20
  driving perhaps a mile with numerous application of the brakes, just =
once, the=20
  brakes pretty much failed and I had to pump it quite a bit.  Then =
they=20
  worked fine again just fine for the rest of the test drive.  Car =
sat for=20
  about an hour, then I took it out again for another test drive.  =
Exactly=20
  the same =96 brakes worked great except just once it was like they =
failed, but=20
  after a good bit of pumping they came back up and I drove it back in, =
testing=20
  the brakes numerous times with good results.
   
  We don=92t know how old the hoses are; that=92s =
my next item to=20
  replace.

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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
From: David Breneman via Mgs 
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Thanks to everyone who replied to this question.=C2=A0 I have a few things =
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David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com=20

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Thanks to everyone who replied to this question.  I have a few things to check now.

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