From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 17 12:52:19 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BB0A0BCF for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:52:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net (unknown [208.80.203.2]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0DA0BCD for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailproxy3.av-mx.com ([137.118.40.133]) by smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net ({534e97ca-49ba-11ec-802e-a5f696236652}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20220117195207897_00004085; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:52:07 -0800 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [67.197.105.87]) (Authenticated sender: thgun@comporium.net) by mailproxy3.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F3997204A21; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:52:02 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Gunderson Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:52:02 -0500 To: Mga List Subject: [Mgs] Maje top on MGA fit better Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8048780346225546883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-20796763-2C19-42EC-B6EE-4CFCFA1228E6 charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent from my iPhone X Is there someone in the Charlotte NC area that can help me fit my top better? Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA rst 1500 --Apple-Mail-20796763-2C19-42EC-B6EE-4CFCFA1228E6 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Is there someone in the Charlotte NC area that can help me fit my top better?

Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA rst 1500

--Apple-Mail-20796763-2C19-42EC-B6EE-4CFCFA1228E6-- --===============8048780346225546883== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============8048780346225546883==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 17 12:57:25 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8E4A0C3C for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:57:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net (unknown [208.80.203.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CC5A0A59 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:54:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailproxy3.av-mx.com ([137.118.40.133]) by smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net ({1c38782c-49bb-11ec-90b9-13cac2e06670}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20220117195453449_00004103; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:54:53 -0800 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [67.197.105.87]) (Authenticated sender: thgun@comporium.net) by mailproxy3.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76BF7204AD7; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:54:48 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Gunderson Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 14:54:47 -0500 To: Mga List Subject: [Mgs] Fit MGA top better Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3044907967604355306== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-12AB0537-4266-46E1-BCE9-63BE31F8C469 charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent from my iPhone X Is there someone in the Charlotte NC are that can help me fit my top better? Tom Gunderson 1957 MGA rst 1500 --Apple-Mail-12AB0537-4266-46E1-BCE9-63BE31F8C469 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Is there someone in the Charlotte NC are that can help me fit my top better?

Tom Gunderson
1957 MGA rst 1500

--Apple-Mail-12AB0537-4266-46E1-BCE9-63BE31F8C469-- --===============3044907967604355306== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============3044907967604355306==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 18 19:34:32 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F8BA0F8F for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:34:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from S15-GW104.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896D0A0A80 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:32:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay301.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.249]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by S15-GW104.mycloudmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JdqRz0l0Cz2SWnj for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from S14-MBX11-16.S14.local (10.40.132.58) by S15-MBX101.S15.local (10.40.140.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.17; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:32:46 -0500 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.19) by S14-MBX11-16.S14.local (10.40.132.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.17; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:32:46 -0500 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6]) by S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6%15]) with mapi id 15.01.2375.017; Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:32:46 -0500 From: dave northrup To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: 1972 MGB convertible Thread-Index: AdgM2ubZ5oyuw87wTbehnyNGa4EMJA== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 02:32:46 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.40.134.249] x-routingagent: Treated Subject: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6407172128067860215== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_e9345d50e72b46139e3bd8117bd874ccranteercom_" --_000_e9345d50e72b46139e3bd8117bd874ccranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked = when we bought the car a few months ago. Except it had no reverse; we knew= that. Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this af= ternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. = Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in = engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finge= r. Started the car up and drove home. Blinkers don't work anymore but I haven= 't checked the fuses yet. The wipers work as does the horn. So - clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably under the dash.= I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com. Clearly I have to d= ive under the dashboard. Or could it be in the steering column assembly? anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check fi= rst? Thanks! wiring doesn't scare me at all; I'm looking forward to solving thi= s. hope you can help. --_000_e9345d50e72b46139e3bd8117bd874ccranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, bra= ke lights, etc. worked when we bought the car a few months ago.  Excep= t it had no reverse; we knew that.

 

Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, bli= nkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the ligh= ts.

 

Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger = side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped= the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back of light switch was h= ot but did not burn my finger.

 

Started the car up and drove home.  Blinkers do= n’t work anymore but I haven’t checked the fuses yet.  The= wipers work as does the horn.

 

So – clearly there is a problem, probably a sh= ort, probably under the dash.  I have the wiring diagram from Advancea= utowire.com.   Clearly I have to dive under the dashboard.  = Or could it be in the steering column assembly?

 

anyone have a check here first recommendation or a l= ist of what to check first?

 

Thanks!  wiring doesn’t scare me at all; = I’m looking forward to solving this. hope you can help.

--_000_e9345d50e72b46139e3bd8117bd874ccranteercom_-- --===============6407172128067860215== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6407172128067860215==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 19 01:29:48 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B47A0F27 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 01:29:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net (unknown [212.54.57.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C672CA0C6F for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 01:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.54.57.108] (helo=csmtp4.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nA6Jx-0006mG-Ld for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 09:27:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.20] ([92.238.208.75]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id A6Jxn4GMypODMA6JxnWdlf; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 09:27:57 +0100 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:117 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:17 a=DghFqjY3_ZEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=MREakS9NSZSKa1SsMuoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ReauhAK5AAAA:8 a=4fLj8VViG4--1dSXvRoA:9 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JclCMx5BlGuGgvFNkj6j:22 s=meg.feb2017; t=1642580877; bh=i8UfT2KI+U9Ra3mOU34jn5PKeFrtD26b45mE5AoVWuU=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=k06zI/C8EFykDT0yLkuGhSpwhzrMd30SzIzZ03fTFoCnR0tVnIcGWjdwHR5wSR9cM sc/OslcI+99wQfhQuqRURk4kVdpyx1l/LoaNsQZefa3bo6m426ywPIn/x3/UVqf6n3 g5bbryI45+ecmGmEerfTkkMI1INePasAdrJrkV5QKhwYENhnb5+arl1cgvcEzdlraL YgTXNdpTPoMDeqTMfTff0R5pu5tZp9qFwwFqBSqTZ+yyRl4lNXKnbkyasKo2+iei9X rDZUzA+1IJBYqgIXIdoKAKKCD4ZCuir0jqjVU8SML5iv9CGX8/UsjClVpgW1uJag6W MMhBzhIGjLfxA== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:27:56 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-GB To: mgs@autox.team.net References: From: PaulHunt73 iy58133OIF7pb48fBR8jmpFUBWb5j0yDtyP6Gg+1Y9AdKsaUvfDz5x1SzjiGAKlP6aiQxsceeIWbQtZdW0+YcNy5B6W1mUGL/tE= Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1875997336856421765== boundary="------------9pu2WRraYVfdZNdaL0KyXUvp" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9pu2WRraYVfdZNdaL0KyXUvp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If it only happened when you turned on the lights, after driving for a while, it sounds like the short could be on the lighting circuit.  The parking lights at the corners are fused and the flashers but not the headlights or the dash lights. I'd look into that first, the indicator fault could be down to the short dropping the voltage.  To protect the wiring from further damage I'd use something like an 21w flasher/indicator bulb in series with the supply and try the parking lights, panel light switch on and off.  If the test bulb lights up brightly the short is present, if dimly then not.  The test bulb will need to be in the brown circuit, so you will probably have to disconnect them at the solenoid. But if you drove home with the lights on and no smoke, then the short has gone ... until the next time. PaulH. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: > > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok > this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not > positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the > hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back of light switch was hot > but did not burn my finger. > > --------------9pu2WRraYVfdZNdaL0KyXUvp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

If it only happened when you turned on the lights, after driving for a while, it sounds like the short could be on the lighting circuit.  The parking lights at the corners are fused and the flashers but not the headlights or the dash lights.

I'd look into that first, the indicator fault could be down to the short dropping the voltage.  To protect the wiring from further damage I'd use something like an 21w flasher/indicator bulb in series with the supply and try the parking lights, panel light switch on and off.  If the test bulb lights up brightly the short is present, if dimly then not.  The test bulb will need to be in the brown circuit, so you will probably have to disconnect them at the solenoid.

But if you drove home with the lights on and no smoke, then the short has gone ... until the next time.

PaulH.

On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote:
 

Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights.

 

Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.


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Blinkers are fused. I would have a good look for any wiring that might have been distur= bed by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation unles= s the cover was removed from the steering column during your work. =20 Signal flasher is over passenger=E2=80=99s knees, or right side, an= d I recall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the s= teering wheel. =20 Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. When I inst= alled relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for overdrive= and fuel pump. Your fuses will give clues to the search for the problem.=20= Bob > On Jan 18, 2022, at 9:32 PM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked= when we bought the car a few months ago. Except it had no reverse; we knew= that. > =20 > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this a= fternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > =20 > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive.= Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in e= ngine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.= > =20 > Started the car up and drove home. Blinkers don=E2=80=99t work anymore bu= t I haven=E2=80=99t checked the fuses yet. The wipers work as does the horn= . > =20 > So =E2=80=93 clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably under t= he dash. I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com. Clearly I ha= ve to dive under the dashboard. Or could it be in the steering column assem= bly? > =20 > anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check f= irst? > =20 > Thanks! wiring doesn=E2=80=99t scare me at all; I=E2=80=99m looking forwa= rd to solving this. hope you can help. > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-EB130FC5-D624-4A79-B9DE-9835C4C443BD charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Headlamps ar= e not fused, nor is the horn.   Blinkers are fused.
I wo= uld have a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed by the en= gine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation unless the cov= er was removed from the steering column during your work.  
Signal flasher is over passenger=E2=80=99s knees, or right side, and I r= ecall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the steer= ing wheel.  
Arguments are frequent about value of fusing= headlamps. When I installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, a= nd fuses for overdrive and fuel pump.  Your fuses will give clues to th= e search for the problem. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 202= 2, at 9:32 PM, dave northrup <dave@ra= nteer.com> wrote:

=

Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brak= e lights, etc. worked when we bought the car a few months ago.  Except i= t had no reverse; we knew that.

 

Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blin= kers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights= .

 

Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger s= ide but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped t= he hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back of light switch was hot b= ut did not burn my finger.

 

Started the car up and drove home.  Blinkers don= =E2=80=99t work anymore but I haven=E2=80=99t checked the fuses yet.  T= he wipers work as does the horn.

 

So =E2=80=93 clearly there is a problem, probably a s= hort, probably under the dash.  I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com.   Clearly I h= ave to dive under the dashboard.  Or could it be in the steering column= assembly?

 

anyone have a check here first recommendation or a li= st of what to check first?

 

Thanks!  wiring doesn=E2=80=99t scare me at all;= I=E2=80=99m looking forward to solving this. hope you can help.<= /p>

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= --Apple-Mail-EB130FC5-D624-4A79-B9DE-9835C4C443BD-- --===============6087096770769939889== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============6087096770769939889==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 19 07:39:51 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91BAA0F85 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 07:39:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net (unknown [212.54.57.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB333A0EC7 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 07:38:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [212.54.57.109] (helo=csmtp5.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nAC6C-0007MX-Hy for mgs@autox.team.net; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:38:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.20] ([92.238.208.75]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id AC6CnxeZbXlqZAC6CnOZRr; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:38:08 +0100 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:117 a=MqhfHBIO6+tMHo+zfQPqPA==:17 a=DghFqjY3_ZEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=dYsmFHs6QgP-Y6k4XWoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=PxmFbfTupw6ZN3n8Ef0A:9 a=2zUY5runnwKdSb-P:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 s=meg.feb2017; t=1642603088; bh=HCMB+K1BoHsSNLuWqLKk5xLOq8s9mU32u+6Rd85o6mo=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=f3GZiQXJwM/NZn+snoO8tmcIl6lGf1BD+yXe1xSNgAkNyBGmmFcn4sKhKqAxH4ZQo lCbUpQj8K/gc1lXbOfWoha7HTRC1+4iqHb93LV2Po7htDPPU/5/x2fJhi7phosElRk 5YkND1pG1dXyx+yIrHYbXJRS3jLGGG8H1TH4Lj8t8gyUrQuK0Vxvtkx0/MQk+E+4nP AP/ndZU/brw0QIZWc3AxZnpq42bUPzSGHbbxaYpYOZ94eucIKxe90xoN914dIyRrrJ DM2vJZ4+46MdyInyjbqvA9NI9OZV9voCANV1pPTumB9EOhVD9LN8cFLTA0SE++3gjA F8IyiKWErx6kQ== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 14:38:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-GB To: mgs@autox.team.net References: From: PaulHunt73 kZpMXQvw42WY6Ek6V+LFRZKIvXnhWXXSNTnQQlDaanqZxGRiLEckVlHNeN+vXGGkJcXufSawF4EvKunQ7cJqcQaL3tBFdUjEEXA= Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2927331330287730786== boundary="------------BPnIGbc0NrIt1cuWvFiGbwKB" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BPnIGbc0NrIt1cuWvFiGbwKB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Horns are always live fused from the factory - purple circuit from the fusebox, bottom fuse in the 4-fuse fusebox.  It also powers the console-mounted courtesy light, boot/hatch light, brake-test circuit, 'door open key in' buzzer, and lighter socket where fitted. If headlamps are fused then at the least it should be one per side (with relays), if not one per filament. PaulH. On 19/01/2022 13:22, Robert's New iPad wrote: > Headlamps are not fused, nor is the horn.   Blinkers are fused. > I would have a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed > by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation > unless the cover was removed from the steering column during your work. > Signal flasher is over passenger’s knees, or right side, and I recall > that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the > steering wheel. > Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. When I > installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for > overdrive and fuel pump.  Your fuses will give clues to the search for > the problem. > > Bob > --------------BPnIGbc0NrIt1cuWvFiGbwKB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Horns are always live fused from the factory - purple circuit from the fusebox, bottom fuse in the 4-fuse fusebox.  It also powers the console-mounted courtesy light, boot/hatch light, brake-test circuit, 'door open key in' buzzer, and lighter socket where fitted.

If headlamps are fused then at the least it should be one per side (with relays), if not one per filament.

PaulH.

On 19/01/2022 13:22, Robert's New iPad wrote:
Headlamps are not fused, nor is the horn.   Blinkers are fused.
I would have a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation unless the cover was removed from the steering column during your work.  
Signal flasher is over passenger’s knees, or right side, and I recall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the steering wheel.  
Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. When I installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for overdrive and fuel pump.  Your fuses will give clues to the search for the problem. 

Bob

--------------BPnIGbc0NrIt1cuWvFiGbwKB-- --===============2927331330287730786== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============2927331330287730786==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jan 19 12:17:12 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A39BA0E2B for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 12:17:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C592A08F1 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 12:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.6]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id d7096f5a-795b-11ec-a1d2-005056992ed3; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:13:09 +0100 (CET) h=content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:subject:to:from; bh=s8fFiWBCwdRkhRecUfO/wI5awJYssahBlgB5AcpYwAk=; b=zcDKhQ3pln+b2Xgw+zi8j98u9caJeb8dEcGVTxX442lq/cRqFInDDqQ4ktWH5zpfeiN8fYOZ9Bdlt G/1qRFq+1oyT2ilv0XbH/G6pcnQ3T6AtefRvMoShSyY85AHrEw4cjQBLGzUvXGSr8dBsSW4F4hLBtu w1uC9x34rR1eYUQE= Dj8clOuZm+5Arw6wzQXcKbZ2BNgVmLWOAjfwJDtTU0tM= SqomYxlW45SRgG4eHKcROt444RGFpk0TkmYatZ6WFTcU= Received: from MorrisGarages (77-161-98-80.fixed.kpn.net [77.161.98.80]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id d822d7cb-795b-11ec-af92-00505699772e; Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:13:12 +0100 (CET) From: To: "'Robert's New iPad'" , "'dave northrup'" References: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:13:11 +0100 Thread-Index: AQGdYOw0Z7VBjQWk8MTwgeALEyMHOQHs1ZN4rNCccUA= Content-Language: en-nl Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Cc: mgs@autox.team.net Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8468084803213415501== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01D80D70.FBECFBA0" Content-Language: en-nl This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01D80D70.FBECFBA0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had this problem as well. It was a short circuit between a gauge illumina= tion wire connector and the heater control cable, which had become lose. Th= is control cable is made of metal parts =E2=80=93 the inner and outer cable= s. This makes, that the cable is attached to ground connections =E2=80=93 b= eginning on the heater valve on the engine block. This circuit is unfused regrettably. So I had to replace a part of the wiring loom in the dashboard. Nasty job, but it is possible to be done in some hours. Cheers, Hans Van: Mgs Namens Robert's New iPad Verzonden: Wednesday, 19 January 2022 14:22 Aan: dave northrup CC: mgs@autox.team.net Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Headlamps are not fused, nor is the horn. Blinkers are fu= sed. I would have a good look for any wiring that might have bee= n disturbed by the engine R&R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situat= ion unless the cover was removed from the steering column during your work.= Signal flasher is over passenger=E2=80=99s knees, or right = side, and I recall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahea= d of the steering wheel. Arguments are frequent about value of fusing headlamps. Whe= n I installed relays, I installed circuit breakers for them, and fuses for = overdrive and fuel pump. Your fuses will give clues to the search for the = problem. Bob anteer.com> > wrote: Car seemed to run fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked = when we bought the car a few months ago. Except it had no reverse; we knew= that. Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this af= ternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. = Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in = engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finge= r. Started the car up and drove home. Blinkers don=E2=80=99t work anymore but= I haven=E2=80=99t checked the fuses yet. The wipers work as does the horn= =2E So =E2=80=93 clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably under t= he dash. I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com . Clearly I have to dive under the dashboard. Or could it= be in the steering column assembly? anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check fi= rst? Thanks! wiring doesn=E2=80=99t scare me at all; I=E2=80=99m looking forwar= d to solving this. hope you can help. _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01D80D70.FBECFBA0 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had = this problem as well. It was a short circuit between a gauge illumination w= ire connector and the heater control cable, which had become lose. This con= trol cable is made of metal parts =E2=80=93 the inner and outer cables. Thi= s makes, that the cable is attached to ground connections =E2=80=93 beginni= ng on the heater valve on the engine block.

This c= ircuit is unfused regrettably.

So I had to replace a= part of the wiring loom in the dashboard.

Nasty job= , but it is possible to be done in some hours.

=  

Cheers,

= Hans

 

= Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens Robert's New = iPad
Verzonden: Wednesday, 19 January 2022 14:22
Aan: d= ave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
CC: mgs@autox.team.net
<= b>Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Headlamps are not fused, nor is= the horn.   Blinkers are fused.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I would have = a good look for any wiring that might have been disturbed by the engine R&a= mp;R, though this seems to be a behind-dash situation unless the cover was = removed from the steering column during your work.  

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Signal flasher is over passenger=E2=80=99s knees, or right side, an= d I recall that all other connections are in the cramped space ahead of the= steering wheel.  

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Arguments are frequent about= value of fusing headlamps. When I installed relays, I installed circuit br= eakers for them, and fuses for overdrive and fuel pump.  Your fuses wi= ll give clues to the search for the problem. 

 

= Bob

 


On Jan 18, 2= 022, at 9:32 PM, dave northrup <dave= @ranteer.com> wrote:

Car seemed to run= fine and all lights, blinkers, brake lights, etc. worked when we bought th= e car a few months ago.  Except it had no reverse; we knew that.<= /o:p>

 

Swa= pped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this after= noon until on the way home I switched on the lights.

 

Smoke from under the= dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights of= f, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.&= nbsp; Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

 

Started th= e car up and drove home.  Blinkers don=E2=80=99t work anymore but I ha= ven=E2=80=99t checked the fuses yet.  The wipers work as does the horn= =2E

 

So =E2=80=93 clearly there is a problem, probably a short, probably u= nder the dash.  I have the wiring diagram from Advanceautowire.com.   Clearly I have to dive= under the dashboard.  Or could it be in the steering column assembly?=

 

anyone have a check here first recommendation or a list of what to check= first?

 

Thanks!  wiring doesn=E2=80=99t scare me at all; I=E2=80=99m= looking forward to solving this. hope you can help.

=

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--------------lBnBtymeBSnVM0xZnDlbBIym Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted.  Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next. Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again.  With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present. PaulH. On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: >   I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot > get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next > step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I > manually connect the wires. > > --------------lBnBtymeBSnVM0xZnDlbBIym Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted.  Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next.

Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again.  With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present.

PaulH.

On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote:
  I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires.

 


--------------lBnBtymeBSnVM0xZnDlbBIym-- --===============1509571039764177010== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1509571039764177010==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 23 06:17:17 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21ADA06CB for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 06:17:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CBBA06B9 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 06:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id bp39so16270854qtb.6 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 05:15:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=fHISRD7nSoXi1ybRihIzLVMpwnoCBeg3zpMiITQ1ClQ=; b=gzLU1z9OoZOhoe5MayUwkpfymlMEY2pYn2pLjY/XqFbYzLK6f60stbqiEtLnYF07JB wrgEtMgT4eI8DGSZ5/l2wxCqAXzKgPDIHMQT25ZODiID3NIzfk8qBAIIQ1rhG8nvKrGv N4azWGUs/F5ZbBb9FQPYzGQE0hrPgs4RJzDZGpf3YOXlun+12qLeGHWD5vrRXTmhvy71 skO+/WWRKi/hyTh89c9U34kB4tVidTnUnoWmlGLLNn7LuQvybVwHOCp5elBslGpmFcb/ 7lnr2+K22IWz0uec1uC6exFf5tlfOxVm32SxmFSwR9/N6GqoIQftGPpZ8ku/vUF/1HLb QHcw== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=fHISRD7nSoXi1ybRihIzLVMpwnoCBeg3zpMiITQ1ClQ=; b=7FpIefTZbC59iPg2L2on8LoBYraJtN8EzP/J2lMQsUqZxPQvXIIn+bsugP1fbZXfxt 8i7ELFS9w/KaUHeQLtggULIMno5M0pAD+mJOJHG+70keJCETGtqVadbBZEpRGmL8IhWS Njj7JD+TPPGBxT1OhjLVjSxfaxpkE40hjhk0+wnZIgs5Ih4Sdvtpn0FggT3wR8AKMDyl NLjLBjFhEK5I32x+6jLrWhK3AFMUi2pdOfzSinqkaQbkbNXpapTfX3JIk8NhL+OJaE29 tkmczjXIYDUUYuKKZ/b2D0veuO1lQNBb+bAXgeI3Rr8PlBwCdyNQYueK1vVF7lpEX4OT dePQ== YO/7j/iX7WRAFGiach6PAC4= Sun, 23 Jan 2022 05:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([32.210.21.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x13sm6004999qko.114.2022.01.23.05.15.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Jan 2022 05:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Robert's New iPad Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 08:15:51 -0500 References: To: dave northrup Subject: Re: [Mgs] 1972 MGB convertible Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5088003790558804727== boundary=Apple-Mail-4717717C-1C7B-4E5C-ACD5-06A97AA51963 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-4717717C-1C7B-4E5C-ACD5-06A97AA51963 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you m= ight remove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and save= d. Original switches were good quality. At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. I= t was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been h= appy, and cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the= old switch was back in service. =20 Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We k= now the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see .= ..... Bob =09 > On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed w= ork so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=20 > =20 > We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thin= gs. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t= he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp= ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir= es. > =20 > On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: > =20 > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this a= fternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. > =20 > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive.= Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in e= ngine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.= > =20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-4717717C-1C7B-4E5C-ACD5-06A97AA51963 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Condition of= the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might remove it from t= he dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches w= ere good quality.
At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch= . I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, in= stalled;  it has been happy, and cool, ever since.  Relays were in= stalled later, but well after the old switch was back in service.  
= Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch.  I am a b= eliever. We know the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we c= an not see ......
Bob

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On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northru= p <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

Worked on the car a little today.  discovered th= at the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense. = ;

 

We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I deci= ded to try a few things.  I noticed that the light switch no longer mov= es at all.  I cannot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it= is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires.

 

On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote:<= /p>

 

Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blin= kers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights= .

 

Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger s= ide but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped t= he hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back of light switch was hot b= ut did not burn my finger.

 

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Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:23:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:22:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Joel Martin To: mgs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2373115597165836305== boundary="----=_Part_615506_494119705.1642976569593" ------=_Part_615506_494119705.1642976569593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. =C2=A0The= quality is just so poor. =C2=A012 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd= one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start o= f a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days. =C2=A0I had to sit on the side of the road= and wait for the sun to come up. =C2=A0A buddy had a two position 50 year = old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging under the dash on the first d= ay of the trip, whew. 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 230= k miles. =C2=A0Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to= retain it. Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. =C2=A0Supper poor qual= ity, mechanically. Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch. = =C2=A0I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works. Good luck. On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request@autox.team.ne= t wrote: =20 =20 Send Mgs mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mgs@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mgs-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mgs-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Today's Topics: =C2=A0 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup) =C2=A0 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73) =C2=A0 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad) =20 Worked on the car a little today.=C2=A0 discovered that the blinkers do ind= eed work so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thing= s.=C2=A0 I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.=C2=A0 I ca= nnot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.=C2=A0 Nex= t step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manuall= y connect the wires.=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 =20 Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this af= ternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. = Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in = engine compartment.=C2=A0 Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my = finger. =20 =C2=A0 =20 =20 In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that sho= rted.=C2=A0 Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrume= nt lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended)= where to look next. =20 Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the c= ircuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will like= ly bring it back on again.=C2=A0 With your cut-off switch on tap first one = then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should s= oon see which has the short - if it's still present. =20 =20 PaulH. =20 On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: =20 =C2=A0 I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.=C2=A0 I can= not get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.=C2=A0 Next= step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually= connect the wires.=20 =C2=A0 =20 =20 Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might r= emove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Or= iginal switches were good quality. At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to t= ouch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned origina= l, installed; =C2=A0it has been happy, and cool, ever since. =C2=A0Relays w= ere installed later, but well after the old switch was back in service. =C2= =A0 Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. =C2=A0I am a believer. We= know the condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not se= e ......Bob =20 On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: =20 Worked on the car a little today.=C2=A0 discovered that the blinkers do ind= eed work so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=C2=A0 =20 =C2=A0 =20 We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thing= s.=C2=A0 I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all.=C2=A0 I ca= nnot get the light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried.=C2=A0 Nex= t step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manuall= y connect the wires.=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: =20 =C2=A0=20 =20 Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this af= ternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. =20 =C2=A0 =20 Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. = Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in = engine compartment.=C2=A0 Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my = finger. =20 =C2=A0 =20 _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list Mgs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs =20 ------=_Part_615506_494119705.1642976569593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 year= s.  The quality is just so poor.  12 uses out of first one, 8 use= s out of 2nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at= the start of a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days.  I had to sit on the side= of the road and wait for the sun to come up.  A buddy had a two posit= ion 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging under the dash on= the first day of the trip, whew.

1973 MGB, origin= al owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 230k miles.  T= ake your original switch apart and do everything you can to retain it.

Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. &= nbsp;Supper poor quality, mechanically.

Installed = Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch.  I ha= ve only used 3 times, so we will see if this works.

Good luck.



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Worked on the car a little t= oday.  discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s g= ood, and makes sense. 

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We have a battery cutoff swi= tch on this car so I decided to try a few things.  I noticed that the = light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to= toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the swit= ch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires.

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On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave no= rthrup wrote:

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Swapped transmissions, car r= uns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way hom= e I switched on the lights.

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Smoke from under the dash, I= think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turne= d the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Ba= ck of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

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In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that shorted.  Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where to look next.

Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likely bring it back on again.  With your cut-off switch on tap first one then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's still present.

PaulH.

On 23/01/2022 00= :34, dave northrup wrote:
=20 =20 =20
  I noticed = that the light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to toggle = at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires. =20

 

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=09Condition of the light switch does not = sound encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see = if it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality.
<= div dir=3D"ltr">=09At age 35 or so, my switch was warm = to touch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned ori= ginal, installed;  it has been happy, and cool, ever since.  Rela= ys were installed later, but well after the old switch was back in service.=  
=09Good on you to have a= battery cut-off switch.  I am a believer. We know the condition of wi= res where we can see them, but those we can not see ......
Bob

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On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northru= p <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

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Worked on the car a little t= oday.  discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s g= ood, and makes sense. 

=20

 

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We have a battery cutoff swi= tch on this car so I decided to try a few things.  I noticed that the = light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to= toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the swit= ch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires.

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On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave no= rthrup wrote:

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Swapped transmissions, car r= uns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way hom= e I switched on the lights.

=20

 

=20

Smoke from under the dash, I= think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turne= d the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Ba= ck of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

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Parking lig= hts work and headlights work in one position only. The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? Thats the one that wor= ks -------- Original message -------- From: Joel Martin Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mgs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. The quali= ty is just so poor. 12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd one and th= e last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start of a 1,283 m= ile trip over 6 days. I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for th= e sun to come up. A buddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light swi= tch we installed hanging under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew. 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 230= k miles. Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to reta= in it. Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. Supper poor quality, = mechanically. Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch. = I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works. Good luck. On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request@autox.team.net wrote: Send Mgs mailing list submissions to To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to You can reach the person managing the list at When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Today's Topics: 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup) 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73) 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad) Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed w= ork so that=92s good, and makes sense. We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thing= s. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t= he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to by= pass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the w= ires. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this af= ternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. = Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in = engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finge= r. In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that sho= rted. Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument li= ghts) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) wher= e to look next. Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the c= ircuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will like= ly bring it back on again. With your cut-off switch on tap first one then = the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon s= ee which has the short - if it's still present. PaulH. On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the= light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypa= ss the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir= es. Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might rem= ove it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Orig= inal switches were good quality. At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was ho= t to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been happy, a= nd cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old s= witch was back in service. Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We know the= condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ...... Bob nteer.com>> wrote: Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed w= ork so that=92s good, and makes sense. We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thing= s. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t= he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to by= pass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the w= ires. On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this af= ternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive. = Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in = engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finge= r. _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Mgs mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs --_000_92d5aae16332470ba4375b79065a1b00ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections.   P= arking lights work and headlights work in one position only. 

The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? = Thats the one that works


-------- Original message --------
From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>
Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4

I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years.  = ;The quality is just so poor.  12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of= 2nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the sta= rt of a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days.  I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the sun to come up.  A bu= ddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hangin= g under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew.

1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch laste= d 230k miles.  Take your original switch apart and do everything you c= an to retain it.

Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost.  Supper poor= quality, mechanically.

Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss swi= tch.  I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works.

Good luck.



On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request@autox.team.n= et <mgs-request@autox.team.net> wrote:


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  1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup)
  2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73)
  3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad)

Worked on the car a little t= oday.  discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=92s good, a= nd makes sense. 

 

We have a battery cutoff swi= tch on this car so I decided to try a few things.  I noticed that the = light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to= toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually= connect the wires.

 

On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave no= rthrup wrote:

 

Swapped transmissions, car r= uns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way hom= e I switched on the lights.

 

Smoke from under the dash, I= think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turne= d the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Ba= ck of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

 

In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that = shorted.  Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instr= ument lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intend= ed) where to look next.

Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open th= e circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will l= ikely bring it back on again.  With your cut-off switch on tap first o= ne then the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's= still present.

PaulH.

On 23/01/2022 00:34,= dave northrup wrote:
  I noticed that t= he light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch= to toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the s= witch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires.

 


Condition of the light switch does not s= ound encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see i= f it can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality.
At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to t= ouch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned origina= l, installed;  it has been happy, and cool, ever since.  Relays were installed later, but well after the ol= d switch was back in service.  
Good on you to have a battery cut-off sw= itch.  I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can se= e them, but those we can not see ......
Bob


On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:<= br>

Worked on the car a little t= oday.  discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=92s good, a= nd makes sense. 

 

We have a battery cutoff swi= tch on this car so I decided to try a few things.  I noticed that the = light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to= toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually= connect the wires.

 

On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave no= rthrup wrote:

 

Swapped transmissions, car r= uns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way hom= e I switched on the lights.

 

Smoke from under the dash, I= think on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turne= d the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Ba= ck of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

 

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Bob > On Jan 24, 2022, at 3:22 PM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. Parking li= ghts work and headlights work in one position only.=20 >=20 > The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? Thats the one that wo= rks >=20 >=20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joel Martin > Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: mgs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 >=20 > I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. The qual= ity is just so poor. 12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd one and th= e last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start of a 1,283 mi= le trip over 6 days. I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the s= un to come up. A buddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch w= e installed hanging under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew. >=20 > 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 23= 0k miles. Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to reta= in it. >=20 > Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. Supper poor quality,= mechanically. >=20 > Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch.= I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works. >=20 > Good luck. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 02:00:17 PM EST, mgs-request@autox.team.net <= mgs-request@autox.team.net> wrote: >=20 >=20 > Send Mgs mailing list submissions to > mgs@autox.team.net >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mgs-request@autox.team.net >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > mgs-owner@autox.team.net >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mgs digest..." > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup) > 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73) > 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad) > Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed w= ork so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thin= gs. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t= he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp= ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir= es. >=20 > =20 >=20 > On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this a= fternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive.= Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in e= ngine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.= >=20 > =20 >=20 > In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that sh= orted. Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument li= ghts) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where= to look next. >=20 > Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the c= ircuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likel= y bring it back on again. With your cut-off switch on tap first one then th= e other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see w= hich has the short - if it's still present. >=20 > PaulH. >=20 >> On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote: >> I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t= he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp= ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir= es. >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might re= move it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Orig= inal switches were good quality. > At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was h= ot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been happy, a= nd cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old sw= itch was back in service. =20 > Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We know th= e condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ...... > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 >> Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed= work so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thi= ngs. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t= he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp= ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir= es. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this a= fternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive= . Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in= engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finge= r. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Mgs mailing list > Mgs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Mgs@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-28753A1F-170E-405B-97AE-2644E2162DB6 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Forward towa= rd the dashboard for high beams, back toward the wheel for low, then pull ag= ainst the spring to flash high beams.
Bob


On Jan 24, 2022, at 3:22 PM, dave n= orthrup <dave@ranteer.com> wro= te:

Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections.   Pa= rking lights work and headlights work in one position only. 

The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low?  T= hats the one that works


-------- Original message --------
From: Joel Martin <jmartinii= i@yahoo.com>
Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
=
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4

I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years.  = The quality is just so poor.  12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2= nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start o= f a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days.  I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the sun to come up.  A bud= dy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging u= nder the dash on the first day of the trip, whew.

1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted= 230k miles.  Take your original switch apart and do everything you can= to retain it.

Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost.  Supper poor q= uality, mechanically.

Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss swit= ch.  I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works.

Good luck.



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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup)
  2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73)
  3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad)

Worked on the car a little to= day.  discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s goo= d, and makes sense. 

 

We have a battery cutoff swit= ch on this car so I decided to try a few things.  I noticed that the li= ght switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to to= ggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually c= onnect the wires.

 

On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave nor= thrup wrote:

 

Swapped transmissions, car ru= ns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I= switched on the lights.

 

Smoke from under the dash, I t= hink on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned t= he car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back o= f light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

 

In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that s= horted.  Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrum= ent lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended)= where to look next.

Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the= circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will lik= ely bring it back on again.  With your cut-off switch on tap first one t= hen the other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's s= till present.

PaulH.

On 23/01/2022 00:34, d= ave northrup wrote:
  I noticed that th= e light switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch t= o toggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the swit= ch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wires.

 


Condition of the light switch does not sou= nd encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see if i= t can be cleaned and saved. Original switches were good quality.
At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to tou= ch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, i= nstalled;  it has been happy, and cool, ever since.  Relays were installed later, but well after the old= switch was back in service.  
Good on you to have a battery cut-off swit= ch.  I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can see t= hem, but those we can not see ......
Bob


On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:

Worked on the car a little to= day.  discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s goo= d, and makes sense. 

 

We have a battery cutoff swit= ch on this car so I decided to try a few things.  I noticed that the li= ght switch no longer moves at all.  I cannot get the light switch to to= ggle at all so likely it is fried.  Next step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually c= onnect the wires.

 

On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave nor= thrup wrote:

 

Swapped transmissions, car ru= ns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I= switched on the lights.

 

Smoke from under the dash, I t= hink on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned t= he car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment.  Back o= f light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.

 

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