From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 10 14:48:18 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C54A06FE for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 14:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from S15-GW102.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AB7A0F05 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 14:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay301.mycloudmailbox.com (unknown [207.126.101.249]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by S15-GW102.mycloudmailbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MQ46W4M1Cz2SXy7 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from S14-MBX11-14.S14.local (10.40.132.20) by S15-MBX101.S15.local (10.40.140.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.31; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:22:43 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local (10.40.132.19) by S14-MBX11-14.S14.local (10.40.132.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2375.31; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:22:43 -0400 Received: from S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6]) by S14-MBX11-13.S14.local ([fe80::b1fc:fc86:cc58:bfa6%15]) with mapi id 15.01.2375.031; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:22:43 -0400 From: dave northrup To: "mgs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: MGA exhaust Thread-Index: AdjFUqp6n9Z4KPMjQPGo8cQZG8WWbg== Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 20:22:43 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.40.134.241] x-routingagent: Treated Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1564448645060272016== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_d9763896f0cf412a9c1100d635050485ranteercom_" --_000_d9763896f0cf412a9c1100d635050485ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine. The exhaust pipe and muff= ler need to be replaced. Not sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold o= r how to tell the difference. I found an MGA stainless steel exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good pr= ice. Will if fit? --_000_d9763896f0cf412a9c1100d635050485ranteercom_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine.&nbs= p; The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be replaced.

 

Not sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifo= ld or an mgb manifold or how to tell the difference.

 

I found an MGA stainless steel exhaust pipe and muff= ler at a really good price.  Will if fit?

--_000_d9763896f0cf412a9c1100d635050485ranteercom_-- --===============1564448645060272016== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============1564448645060272016==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 10 18:26:11 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EE6A0E96 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 18:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D6BA0E57 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 17:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id s18so913162qtx.6 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=H0GCLsL780ac23ATYQdn5LpvridbbTO0tDyqpaPVQx4=; b=FzzCcaoPHmsp6SlU84KsA2lywhAHN6RjKA/7X/sAG0HE/OmqSHwWgCxLjtVloFOIuK 7/BEOCfknP5RfhvGM7RcF1+Ud96G0/XENNNYoUgSv/lkVgJO1TxefWrCftzP2H7IEAxA APSj3pCNOM10GlnbBrCIbF74DD7xY/BZ/N5fJk3K/bkHiytzfwFJA7FC9tessNtTAudn ujoEYYrSTyi/7ALzY6uPiAiddm91oIrUhBjQfLJ36MZ4CnW4VOV2DNLeMY2Rj339rIGE +Jn0A3TmXfnFUFZ9L+NG4m1fSHT7a3Eo/zhwtPGKjYLYB3vT0oATaJuOGikbmO7vATDt YtsA== d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=H0GCLsL780ac23ATYQdn5LpvridbbTO0tDyqpaPVQx4=; b=teMlPIEnIMIXPhM+7xfS0aBQMPZylOJc4iEo++q+12d3Kbrj7Vg1NYiWjbsHsm7wJv dMKztm30I4gfD7EEPccC3iyHD4wBU4Tanx0UK8H0Q980Nd0XLbPgtp3Xk/kyMIQYB862 QSmZIko7bk8jIbvWgnK94xG9R+fe9I8HQIc5Pq7XDpIXa5VcTLq/eQeKF8ROsznE9Pg+ 0SqQDmNq2zs92Je/HJ5Wt7Pk9zRuZf3s7vfXWhWsTX2Xset4wRbhXalrCWtCtQV6H7Dk +YvoNeA1oFxzG2K8qkCqj8as5mLL0RfIwG1R/ZgCPu3Fsagi6L/S2IKDusQprYvy5WVb smgQ== PtIdEykIkzJekp4D0NjZ5Ro= d6-20020ac85ac6000000b0035ba3a5fc68mr7216450qtd.471.1662854384865; Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pool-71-161-234-247.prvdri.fios.verizon.net. [71.161.234.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l4-20020a05620a28c400b006bbd2c4cccfsm3837308qkp.53.2022.09.10.16.59.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Sep 2022 16:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Charley Robinson Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 19:59:41 -0400 To: dave northrup References: Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA exhaust Cc: Digest MG Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5188855937574772990== boundary="Apple-Mail=_72682A21-0A8F-42D6-9556-138A2FE9D81F" --Apple-Mail=_72682A21-0A8F-42D6-9556-138A2FE9D81F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Dave, I don=E2=80=99t know the answer to your question but I had been told = when I planned to put an MGB engine in an MGA that it would require a = special header to avoid interference with the steering shaft. In = preparation for my project I had purchased such a header. I have since = sold both the MGA and the MGB engine separately but still have the = header. If you are interested its available for $100. I'm in RI. Charley Robinson > On Sep 10, 2022, at 4:22 PM, dave northrup wrote: >=20 > I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine. The exhaust pipe and = muffler need to be replaced. > =20 > Not sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb = manifold or how to tell the difference. > =20 > I found an MGA stainless steel exhaust pipe and muffler at a really = good price. Will if fit? > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/charleyrob@gmail.com = --Apple-Mail=_72682A21-0A8F-42D6-9556-138A2FE9D81F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Dave,

I = don=E2=80=99t know the answer to your question but I had been told when = I planned to put an MGB engine in an MGA that it would require a special = header to avoid interference with the steering shaft. In preparation for = my project I had purchased such a header. I have since sold both the MGA = and the MGB engine separately but still have the header. If you are = interested its available for $100. I'm in RI.

Charley Robinson





On Sep 10, 2022, at 4:22 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> = wrote:

I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB = engine.  The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be replaced.
 
Not sure how to tell if it = has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold or how to tell the = difference.
 
I found an MGA stainless = steel exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good price.  Will if = fit?
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I installed an MGB engine in an MGA back in 1969. = ; What I discovered was that the stock MGB exhaust manifold being dual pipe= s would hit the steering shaft, so I used the stock cast iron MGA exhaust m= anifold.  And used all the stock MGA exhaust as it was already in plac= e. 

=0A

 =

=0A

I don't recomm= end using a non-stock header on an MGA or MGB as they allow more heat to es= cape, and the carbs are on the same side of the engine as the exhaust. = ; On hot days, in traffic, a header can add a lot of extra  heat to th= e engine compartment, which is the last thing you need.

=0A

 

=0A

Stainless steel exhaust does create noise= that some people say is not pleasant.  When I bought a new exhaust sy= stem for my '65 MGB I bought a mild steel one from Rimmer in the UK. &= nbsp;

=0A

 =0A

 

=0A

-----Original Message----= -
From: "dave northrup" <dave@ranteer.com>
Sent: Saturday, = September 10, 2022 1:22pm
To: "mgs@autox.team.net" <mgs@autox.team.= net>
Subject: [Mgs] MGA exhaust

=0A=0A
=0A=0A

I recently acquired a 59 MGA with an MGB engine.=   The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be replaced.

=0A

 

=0A=

N= ot sure how to tell if it has an mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold or= how to tell the difference.

=0A

 

=0A

I found an MGA stainless stee= l exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good price.  Will if fit?

= =0A
=0A=0A

 

 ------=_20220910194806000000_76169-- --===============0828970771956303730== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mgs@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mharc@autox.team.net --===============0828970771956303730==-- From mgs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 11 11:46:56 2022 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619F8A0CBC for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EB0A0C86 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 28BHYmO9027350 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2022 10:34:49 -0700 From: Max Heim Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2022 09:47:58 -0700 References: <1662864486.77063918@webmail.emailsrvr.com> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA exhaust Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3571496640774170383== charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Living on the west coast, I=E2=80=99ve = never seen a need for a stainless exhaust system. A mild steel pipe = easily lasts 20 years, mufflers somewhat less. However, your climate may = vary.

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 10, 2022, at 7:48 PM, don@napanet.net wrote:

I installed an MGB engine in an = MGA back in 1969.  What I discovered was that the stock MGB exhaust = manifold being dual pipes would hit the steering shaft, so I used the = stock cast iron MGA exhaust manifold.  And used all the stock MGA = exhaust as it was already in place. 

 

I don't recommend using a = non-stock header on an MGA or MGB as they allow more heat to escape, and = the carbs are on the same side of the engine as the exhaust.  On = hot days, in traffic, a header can add a lot of extra  heat to the = engine compartment, which is the last thing you need. 

 

Stainless steel exhaust does create noise that some people = say is not pleasant.  When I bought a new exhaust system for my '65 = MGB I bought a mild steel one from Rimmer in the UK.  

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "dave northrup" <dave@ranteer.com>
Sent: Saturday, = September 10, 2022 1:22pm
To: "mgs@autox.team.net" = <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Mgs] MGA = exhaust

I recently acquired a 59 MGA with = an MGB engine.  The exhaust pipe and muffler need to be = replaced.

 

Not sure how to tell if it has an = mga exhaust manifold or an mgb manifold or how to tell the = difference.

 

I found an MGA stainless steel = exhaust pipe and muffler at a really good price.  Will if = fit?

 

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In the 1950s they planted a series of trees that spe= ll Studebaker

 

They are still there

 

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I have broken the plastic window crank several times tryi= ng to roll up the driver's side window.=C2=A0 Where is the best place t= o lubricate the mechanism?=C2=A0 Or, is there an adjustment I can make to t= he mechanism to take the pressure off the window crank?
Mi= ke MacLean
69 MGB GT
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bh=4bRb1EicLQL1MaUw4rdM+Y/xxqybFMEfr1W2mbpQPeU=; b=iE1yfX9gfxT0H0e4b5FdvcoUkC19/cggs+WBYrcyWNg0idruS6ahPzw4k5VmTkHPz0 R9jr+rKspMRPcBz7YZEcQt1HsXFU6XZGaZ7kFKiCA5H4kXEz7O/qWivqz1KJKDmoFONV sDfAqnGSkjaVK6FIti2hzo+WBPdO0c5O5QdYyVtcxeKrk1IALJVzIHHlGoGiur03lK7U lV92CpZrId2GFVQBsP5X3v5L/V8Z+NQihHWs4nubyjTvrqomXdZuQqFEF5pn2aQ36/XV ZfrbwEzELqbhyyo7YPuRlzqExwZ+qlXEArI7jSpE95FkLLR6W61ZU6XkLxynAHXvBbvF gOQg== tCzGW2CeEO+PaOqEdqE2ac7fpmj6jqHvtnpMiqzt5hql m3-20020a9d4003000000b00655cab07c92mr7521968ote.216.1663155943450; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:45:43 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Richard Lindsay Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:45:32 -0500 To: Michael MacLean Subject: Re: [Mgs] Window crank Cc: "mgs@autox.team.net List" Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5645122611630820351== --00000000000037317d05e8a1abf6 Hello Mike, *et al.*, My '72 Tourer suffers with the same issue, if without the broken handle. I pull up on the glass to ease the crank mechanism. But let me comment further. I just addressed this same issue on my '71 Volvo 1800E. Here's how. Carefully remove the handles and the door panel. Take the upper trim bit off first by removing the four screws. BTW, this is a good time to polish the chrome bits at the ends. And yes, buy one of those plastic tools to pop the attachment pins loose. They're genius. With the panel off and any vapor barrier that still exists lifted away, access to the lock, latch and window lift mechanism is pretty straight forward. Aside: If the vapor barrier is missing or damaged, as happens with many PO's, a cheap shower curtain liner cut to shape, makes an excellent replacement. With the panel and barrier off one can clean and lubricate the mechanisms. With a crank handle back on, the lift mechanism can be run through its range a number of times, cleaning and lubing as it goes. (Any oil that drips down into the door will just serve as rustproofing. :-P) Feeling how easily the window now moves will tell you whether the glass tracks are a problem. Visual inspection will reveal just how worn those tracks might be. Also, keep in mind that POs have often been in our 50+ year old car doors and may have misaligned the tracks! Yeah, just another thing to check. If the glass now moves smoothly, or adequately well, you've solved your problem. For the glass tracks, worn or fresh, I wash them with SimpleGreen both above the door top and the bits down in the door. Once dry, test the glass motion. Better? I've even applied a little lubricant on the tracks but oil can get messy. So can graphite but both help old tracks if applied quite sparingly. Of course, the problem could be worse yet. The glass tracks could be damaged beyond simple cleaning. When that is the case there is nothing for it other than removal, cleaning the frames, and replacement. Moss, etc., sells new glass tracks and after proper adjustment and mechanism lubrication, the glass will move as new! Worth adding that this is a good time to clean and lubricate the lock and latch mechanisms. Adjustment may be needed too as wear or some ham-fisted PO may have messed with these bits. A flush of WD40 into the keyway will help too, if making a mess until it dries. Good luck! I've done this job a number of times on LBCs and LBOthers. It's always rewarding, if a bit laborious. And now I'm about to do it again on my '72. Rick, '72 MGB Tourer, etc. On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 1:19 AM Michael MacLean wrote: > I have broken the plastic window crank several times trying to roll up the > driver's side window. Where is the best place to lubricate the mechanism? > Or, is there an adjustment I can make to the mechanism to take the pressure > off the window crank? > Mike MacLean > --00000000000037317d05e8a1abf6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mike, et al.,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= My '72 Tourer suffers with the same issue, if without the broken handle= . I pull up on the glass to ease the crank mechanism. But let me comment fu= rther.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I just addressed this same issue= on my '71 Volvo 1800E. Here's how.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Carefully remove the handles and the door panel. Take the upper trim = bit off first by removing the four screws. BTW, this is a good time to poli= sh the chrome bits at the ends. And yes, buy one of those plastic tools to = pop the attachment pins loose. They're genius. With the panel off and a= ny vapor barrier that still exists lifted away, access to the lock, latch a= nd window lift mechanism is pretty straight forward. Aside: If the vapor ba= rrier is missing or damaged, as happens with many PO's, a cheap shower = curtain liner cut to shape, makes an excellent replacement.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0With the panel and barrier off one can clean and lub= ricate the mechanisms. With a crank handle back on, the lift mechanism can = be run through its range a number of times, cleaning and lubing as it goes.= (Any oil that drips down into the door will just serve as rustproofing. :-= P)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Feeling how easily the window now mo= ves will tell you whether the glass tracks are a problem. Visual inspection= will reveal just how worn those tracks might be. Also, keep in mind that P= Os have often been in our 50+ year old car doors and may have misaligned th= e tracks! Yeah, just another thing to check.
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0If the glass now moves smoothly, or adequately well, you've solve= d your problem. For the glass tracks, worn or fresh, I wash them with Simpl= eGreen both above the door top and the bits down in the door. Once dry, tes= t the glass motion. Better? I've even applied a little lubricant on the= tracks but oil can get messy. So can graphite but both help old tracks if = applied quite sparingly.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Of cours= e, the problem could be worse yet. The glass tracks could be damaged beyond= simple cleaning. When that is the case there is nothing for it other than = removal, cleaning the frames, and replacement. Moss, etc., sells new glass = tracks and after proper adjustment and mechanism lubrication, the glass wil= l move as new!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Worth adding that this i= s a good time to clean and lubricate the lock and latch mechanisms. Adjustm= ent may be needed too as wear or some ham-fisted PO may have messed with th= ese bits. A flush of WD40 into the keyway will help too, if making a mess u= ntil it dries.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Good luck! I've done= this job a number of times on LBCs and LBOthers. It's always rewarding= , if a bit laborious. And now I'm about to do it again on my '72.

Rick, '72 MGB Tourer,= etc.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 1:19 AM Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.com> wro= te:
I have broken= the plastic window crank several times trying to roll up the driver's = side window.=C2=A0 Where is the best place to lubricate the mechanism?=C2= =A0 Or, is there an adjustment I can make to the mechanism to take the pres= sure off the window crank?
Mike MacLean
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 22:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mgs@autox.team.net Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (unknown [64.142.111.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30099A18C3 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 22:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (172-5-155-8.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.5.155.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 2914F4wa002909 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:15:04 -0700 From: Max Heim Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:15:03 -0700 References: <78EE12EB-6B76-45EE-A565-28EC102918FA@gmail.com> To: mglist Subject: Re: [Mgs] Salvage title Errors-To: mgs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6661551239948251553== boundary="Apple-Mail=_8AC0FDF6-3DBC-44D2-AB43-48FEF2F3463E" --Apple-Mail=_8AC0FDF6-3DBC-44D2-AB43-48FEF2F3463E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 A salvage title definitely will hurt the value at auction. it just = raises the question =E2=80=9Cwhat happened to it?=E2=80=9D and the = answer can never be good. But if you were planning to keep the car long term and don't mind doing = the restoration work, and are satisfied there is no irreparable damage, = then you might as well do it. You at least have a very good idea of what = it will take, more so than you would if you went and bought a project = car on the open market to replace it. Let your heirs figure out how to deal with the salvage title=E2=80=A6 -- Max Heim '66 MGB > On Sep 30, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Robert's New iPad = wrote: >=20 > Hi Tom, > That=E2=80=99s terrible news. > Generally speaking, a car that burns by itself can be = salvaged/recovered and can be restored. A car that is in a garage or = barn fire may have its metal annealed, changing its strength. An = engineer can explain this better, but most owners of burned cars will = stay away from one that was baked. =20 > One would think that the salvage title would push down the = value, but I have no direct knowledge. One of the guys in our club owns = a couple of cars, not MGs, that he has bought from insurance companies, = repaired and repainted them, and has had good service from them. He is = a talented and experienced fellow. > Do you have pictures of the car that you can share? > Bob >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 30, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Thomas Gunderson >=20 >>=20 >> My MGA was in a fire. Hagerty will let me buy the car back for about = 1/3 the total payout. This will put the car as salvage. If I keep the = car and restore the car to the status it was before the fire. How will = the salvage title affect the value? >> Should I let them keep the car and take the money? >>=20 >> 1957 MGA 1500 rst >> Tom Gunderson >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone X >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Mgs@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>=20 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mgbobh@gmail.com = > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.75 >=20 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/mvheim@sonic.net = --Apple-Mail=_8AC0FDF6-3DBC-44D2-AB43-48FEF2F3463E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 A = salvage title definitely will hurt the value at auction. it just raises = the question =E2=80=9Cwhat happened to it?=E2=80=9D and the answer can = never be good.

But = if you were planning to keep the car long term and don't mind doing the = restoration work, and are satisfied there is no irreparable damage, then = you might as well do it. You at least have a very good idea of what it = will take, more so than you would if you went and bought a project car = on the open market to replace it.

Let your heirs figure out how to deal = with the salvage title=E2=80=A6

--
Max Heim
'66 MGB

On Sep 30, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Tom,
That=E2=80=99s = terrible news.
= Generally = speaking, a car that burns by itself can be salvaged/recovered and can = be restored.   A car that is in a garage or barn fire may have = its metal annealed, changing its strength.  An engineer can explain = this better, but most owners of burned cars will stay away from one that = was baked.  
= One would = think that the salvage title would push down the value, but I have no = direct knowledge.  One of the guys in our club owns a couple of = cars, not MGs, that he has bought from insurance companies, repaired and = repainted them, and has had good service from them.  He is a = talented and experienced fellow.
= Do you have = pictures of the car that you can share?
Bob


On Sep 30, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Thomas = Gunderson <thgun@comporium.net> wrote:


My MGA was in a fire. Hagerty will let me buy = the car back for about 1/3 the total payout. This will put the car as = salvage. If I keep the car and restore the car to the status it was = before the fire. How will the salvage title affect the value?
Should I let them keep the car and take the money?

1957 MGA 1500 rst
Tom = Gunderson

Sent from my iPhone X


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