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([2601:9:3703:2310:ccf3:31a3:d487:ed60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id za1sm10461057pbb.55.2015.05.25.09.16.20 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 May 2015 09:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 09:16:14 -0700 From: NOBBC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: North Bay British Car Club , NOBBC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Members, Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them a death certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and after many emails and phone calls. During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of the various club sites we are using and that may be available, there were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated with the club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a locked account. I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does not use the Yahoo group: > I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, clicked > on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window popped up > saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to be it. I > clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. > I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it > (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite > well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like one > and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group site > difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. Please express your thought on this matter to the group. Greg Tatarian Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 11:19:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA622584A5A for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 11:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com (nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com [17.158.72.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E435258074B for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 11:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.18] (c-76-21-119-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.21.119.185]) by nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NOX004QY0V1FR30@nk11p14im-asmtp001.me.com> for nobbc@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 May 2015 17:06:38 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-05-25_03:2015-05-25,2015-05-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1505250242 From: Roland Quintero Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 10:06:37 -0700 References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but could not do it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you continue to use NOBBC Communications for drives.? Sent from my iPhone Do what you can do well > On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC wrote: > > Hello Members, > > Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has taken > over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally started > and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months working with > his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or someone else in > the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the account, only lock it - > even after insisting I send them a death certificate and an affidavit > from his widow and myself, and after many emails and phone calls. > > During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of the > various club sites we are using and that may be available, there were > several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several who > expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the > discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and why I > won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated with the > club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a locked account. > > I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does not > use the Yahoo group: > >> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, clicked >> on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window popped up >> saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to be it. I >> clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. > >> I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it >> (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite >> well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like one >> and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group site >> difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. > > Please express your thought on this matter to the group. > > Greg Tatarian > Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list > _______________________________________________ > NOBBC@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 12:18:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0790625846FF for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF3D25845A4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 11:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by padbw4 with SMTP id bw4so74951516pad.0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WaxgfQv8/cjTNCqvrjHVsjlFqZkk8Rt8DrYIftbaMvQ=; b=TR60W7ZdscOqPQq6gx09Wt1cIvywUq8VJxZpfXtselSYR0UHfZOO4GPShsu9mS1KAc oSAlKMJFJfGBHR2pRsJGWUNXdeDpyOXQ9N023NU/T/ER+lSN4KC/e8zcYW2MlxC44QmT EV7tveoxTQy3hsOSG1h8vPE9hV2ffyDrI884hEHFB9XeicJNbiDvNT1Lr2uQjkWc4W// hIr697CjzEEIl4wcw1dRBwFwOxldGytmCh3qsIe1zSXgzqfDpQ8b3NF3EuY4GXcndwAe q/FsznvWY0+uU5cjR+o3VYyrS38w3EUEi/T+PHJw01eN2lrY+9iTNJ74Diwps79jsXgl /BCQ== r9mr41745860pap.143.1432576555429; Mon, 25 May 2015 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:9:3703:2310:31e9:bd47:c637:7eca? ([2601:9:3703:2310:31e9:bd47:c637:7eca]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fm3sm10675354pdb.28.2015.05.25.10.55.53 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 May 2015 10:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 10:55:48 -0700 From: NOBBC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: nobbc@autox.team.net, "NOBBC@yahoogroups.com" References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> <7907EF56-067E-4FF3-A526-96554F65EDCC@me.com> Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Roland, Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group... I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose, which has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox mailing list. I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for listing events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook, remember there will be other members who will no longer be involved, as they won't sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the preferred approach, I would propose migrating entirely and let someone like Dan or whomever take over the club communication responsibilities, or keep both but let someone else take over the Yahoo Group. We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a couple of members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes sense to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding member, Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however. cheers, Greg On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote: > So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but could not do > it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you continue to use > NOBBC Communications for drives.? > > Sent from my iPhone > Do what you can do well > >> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC wrote: >> >> Hello Members, >> >> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has taken >> over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally started >> and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months working with >> his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or someone else in >> the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the account, only lock it - >> even after insisting I send them a death certificate and an affidavit >> from his widow and myself, and after many emails and phone calls. >> >> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of the >> various club sites we are using and that may be available, there were >> several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several who >> expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the >> discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and why I >> won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated with the >> club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a locked account. >> >> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does not >> use the Yahoo group: >> >>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, clicked >>> on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window popped up >>> saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to be it. I >>> clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. >>> I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it >>> (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite >>> well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like one >>> and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group site >>> difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. >> Please express your thought on this matter to the group. >> >> Greg Tatarian >> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list >> _______________________________________________ >> NOBBC@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com > _______________________________________________ > NOBBC@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/gtwincams@gmail.com _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 13:19:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEA2258472A for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 13:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com (nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com [17.158.72.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304F32585D85 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.8] (c-76-21-119-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.21.119.185]) by nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.35.0 64bit (built Dec 4 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NOX00JAI5ZBKA10@nk11p14im-asmtp002.me.com> for nobbc@autox.team.net; Mon, 25 May 2015 18:57:12 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.14.151,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2015-05-25_04:2015-05-25,2015-05-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1412110000 definitions=main-1505250269 From: Roland Quintero Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 11:57:11 -0700 References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> <7907EF56-067E-4FF3-A526-96554F65EDCC@me.com> <55636224.8030807@gmail.com> To: North Bay British Car Club Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, I was happy with the BBC Yahoo group site. That is only my opinion but it was direct and easy. Best Regards, Roland. Sent from my iPad > On May 25, 2015, at 10:55 AM, NOBBC wrote: > > Hi Roland, > > Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group... > > I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose, which has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox mailing list. I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for listing events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook, remember there will be other members who will no longer be involved, as they won't sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the preferred approach, I would propose migrating entirely and let someone like Dan or whomever take over the club communication responsibilities, or keep both but let someone else take over the Yahoo Group. > > We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a couple of members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes sense to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding member, Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however. > > cheers, > > Greg > >> On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote: >> So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but could not do >> it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you continue to use >> NOBBC Communications for drives.? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Do what you can do well >> >>> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC wrote: >>> >>> Hello Members, >>> >>> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has taken >>> over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally started >>> and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months working with >>> his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or someone else in >>> the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the account, only lock it - >>> even after insisting I send them a death certificate and an affidavit >>> from his widow and myself, and after many emails and phone calls. >>> >>> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of the >>> various club sites we are using and that may be available, there were >>> several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several who >>> expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the >>> discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and why I >>> won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated with the >>> club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a locked account. >>> >>> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does not >>> use the Yahoo group: >>> >>>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, clicked >>>> on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window popped up >>>> saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to be it. I >>>> clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. >>>> I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it >>>> (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite >>>> well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like one >>>> and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group site >>>> difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. >>> Please express your thought on this matter to the group. >>> >>> Greg Tatarian >>> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NOBBC@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NOBBC@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/gtwincams@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NOBBC@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 13:33:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AC1258452C for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 13:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBD3258460E for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 13:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by paza2 with SMTP id a2so66687143paz.3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=MnAeqXrMUfRQvouom+830BuAmVMiGgKnZTnZMhg3x4M=; b=ZmmV69/FlRlHZjlP0uH1J9JxDeYd6MxUpEOC5YFab7T4i4AAekD6tMLlIqLZwUppKb /b4IUI/PpJEPgfF/K5QUAKMQnZpGSpoZRS5USziSyifk45w9k8l60s/y+qZfz0hi/p85 eVEF11K8oqMpHck6IqfRlPRBu7Vzm/5ZOVhFBF6tewRKne1PF6G68fnsRauV9bEDe5Id tok5PG8toUY1GUBNJHC5RgbPWA25lSHPskchZbFsXC3C9dkA2a+MExQJ2wwYq6xSk2wr e7IXMnnC88QddE/luTUwkFhhYk6DODpqYfsjUfSzjUYSNd2FHx7hiho2U5aAV2WQ2SlS POGg== x6mr41768363pbt.161.1432581233520; Mon, 25 May 2015 12:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JOHNKENNERPC (c-73-202-66-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [73.202.66.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fs16sm10790930pdb.12.2015.05.25.12.13.51 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 May 2015 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "John Kenner" To: , "'North Bay British Car Club'" References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:14:04 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJqY2bG5VTt49vuFx9qLpHti25dgJxZdqnA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net I like being able to communicate with the group. I will even be going on drives soon. But I will not use Facebook. Ever! John Kenner From: NOBBC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NOBBC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:16 AM To: North Bay British Car Club; NOBBC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Hello Members, Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them a death certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and after many emails and phone calls. During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of the various club sites we are using and that may be available, there were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated with the club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a locked account. I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does not use the Yahoo group: I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, clicked on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window popped up saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to be it. I clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like one and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group site difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. Please express your thought on this matter to the group. Greg Tatarian Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list __._,_.___ _____ _____ Reply via web post . Reply to sender . Reply to group . Start a New Topic . Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group . Privacy . Terms of Use . __,_._,___ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 14:17:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF81B2584617 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 14:17:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S37.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s37.hotmail.com [65.55.116.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E628625803E9 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 14:05:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W69 ([65.55.116.8]) by BLU004-OMC1S37.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Mon, 25 May 2015 13:12:27 -0700 From: Gary Germano To: North Bay British Car Club Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 13:12:26 -0700 References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com>, <000d01d0971e$f892d5d0$e9b88170$@tamcab.com> FILETIME=[1ED61650:01D09727] Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW (I just learned that one from looking it up from the email below:), Jan and I do not belong to Facebook, and have no interest in joining. The Yahoo and original NOBBC work fine for us. This is also known as our "two cents worth", but of course with inflation.........:) Gary and Janet Germano '70 yellow MGB > From: jkenner@tamcab.com > To: NOBBC@yahoogroups.com; nobbc@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:14:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page > > I like being able to communicate with the group. > > I will even be going on drives soon. > > > > But I will not use Facebook. Ever! > > > > > > John Kenner > > > > > > From: NOBBC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NOBBC@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:16 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club; NOBBC@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page > > > > > > Hello Members, > > Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has taken over > as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally started and > administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months working with his > widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or someone else in the club, > but was denied. FB wouldn't close the account, only lock it - even after > insisting I send them a death certificate and an affidavit from his widow > and myself, and after many emails and phone calls. > > During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of the > various club sites we are using and that may be available, there were > several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several who expressed > satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the discussions. This is > just one more reason why I don't like FB, and why I won't use it - Dan could > have been anyone, not even affiliated with the club, but was able to take > over what was supposed to be a locked account. > > I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does not use > the Yahoo group: > > I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, clicked on the > old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window popped up saying the group > needed an admin and asked if I wanted to be it. I clicked on yes so I think > I'm the new admin. > > > > > > I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it (one > group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite well. It kind > of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like one and hate the other. > FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group site difficult to navigate to the > point I gave up on it. > > > Please express your thought on this matter to the group. > > Greg Tatarian > Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list > > > > > __._,_.___ > > _____ > > > _____ > > > > X3oDMTJxc2kxYnE5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc5MTU5OTI1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NDY2 > MARtc2dJZAMxNDA0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQzMjU3MDk2OQ--?act=reply&m > essageNum=1404> Reply via web post > > . > > Reply to sender > > . > > > > Reply to group > > . > > > TJmZ2MyczZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc5MTU5OTI1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NDY2MARzZ > WMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MzI1NzA5Njk-> Start a New Topic > > . > > > oDMTM1c2ZlcXJmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc5MTU5OTI1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NDY2MA > Rtc2dJZAMxNDA0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQzMjU3MDk2OQR0cGNJZAMxNDA0> > Messages in this topic (1) > > > 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc5MTU5OTI1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NDY2MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2h > wBHN0aW1lAzE0MzI1NzA5Njk-> Visit Your Group > > > zc5MTU5OTI1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NDY2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQzMjU3M > Dk2OQ--> > > . 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([2601:9:3703:2310:ccf3:31a3:d487:ed60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id he9sm11041966pbc.7.2015.05.25.16.24.46 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 May 2015 16:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 16:24:40 -0700 From: NOBBC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: Betz Miller , North Bay British Car Club , NOBBC@yahoogroups.com References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> <7907EF56-067E-4FF3-A526-96554F65EDCC@me.com> <55636224.8030807@gmail.com> <4B84B6FE-8A1D-4D54-BA60-95AEE6008412@me.com> <004d01d09738$4bc419d0$e34c4d70$@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Betz and Members, Betz, I know you've had troubles in the past. You and one other member have had troubles from the beginning, and I've tried to help both of you. I want to be clear. I am not asking for opinions on the Yahoo Group. In part, I am asking whether the membership wants the Facebook page resurrected as Dan has already done. If you do, you all need to decide which medium will be used as the official mode of communication and scheduling information. I WILL NOT USE FACEBOOK, so Dan would step in and take over all club communications, or some other member if Dan doesn't want to. He was able to simply take over what was supposed to be the locked Facebook account for the NOBBC, without FB requiring any proof of affiliation, which I think is just weird. At least Dan is a member (it could have been anyone simply taking over the club's identity). Already, I've lost a couple of hours today to this issue; responding to Dan, writing to the members. Shortly after telling Dan I didn't want to be on Facebook, he signed me up using one of my private email addresses and approved me - without my asking, and after I specifically told him I didn't want to use FB. Shortly after that, I received an email from someone who signed up to the FB page, but I have no idea if Dan is now speaking as the official voice of the NOBBC to this person or any other new FB user. Whether the membership wants that to happen or not, I don't think it makes sense to have multiple forms of official communication, and multiple administrators. It's confusing, and it's tough enough just to keep the Yahoo Group up to date with the drive info. Also, since hardly anyone seems to post messages these days to either the Autox list or the Yahoo Group, why do we need yet another social media page?Again, if that's what you all want, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AUTOX, WEB SITE, AND YAHOO GROUP. I'd also like to propose we do away with the web site www.nobbc.com, and save Dean some money. Dan - if you want to take over all of these tasks, I'm good with that. I think I would have appreciated it if you had asked the members ahead of time, and it would have been nice to know that FB will simply give away a locked account. Like it or not, you now all have a Facebook page, with Dan as administrator. You also have an antiquated emailing list. You have a web site. You have a Yahoo Group. I'm taking care of three of those things, and I was managing a separate membership list. I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE JOBS TO DO OR SITES TO ADMINISTER. I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT AMONGST YOURSELVES, PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T OFFER OPINIONS WITHOUT SOLUTIONS. Thanks, Greg Tatarian On 5/25/2015 3:15 PM, Betz Miller wrote: > Hi, > Since you asked, I don't like the yahoo site. Not sure if I've ever been > successful at posting. Plus I have a Microsoft Surface Tablet RT 2, which I > don't recommend, but sometimes when I try to create a new contact it goes > into be in my yahoo address which I only created to join this > club. > Betz Miller > > -----Original Message----- > From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roland > Quintero > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:57 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page > > Greg, I was happy with the BBC Yahoo group site. That is only my opinion but > it was direct and easy. > > > Best Regards, Roland. > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 25, 2015, at 10:55 AM, NOBBC wrote: >> >> Hi Roland, >> >> Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group... >> >> I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose, >> which > has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox mailing > list. > I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for listing > events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook, remember > there will be other members who will no longer be involved, as they won't > sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the preferred approach, I > would propose migrating entirely and let someone like Dan or whomever take > over the club communication responsibilities, or keep both but let someone > else take over the Yahoo Group. >> We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a >> couple of > members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes sense > to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding member, > Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however. >> cheers, >> >> Greg >> >>> On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote: >>> So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but >>> could not > do >>> it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you continue >>> to > use >>> NOBBC Communications for drives.? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Do what you can do well >>> >>>> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Members, >>>> >>>> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has >>>> taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was originally >>>> started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I spent months >>>> working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page over to me or >>>> someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't close the >>>> account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them a death >>>> certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and after many > emails and phone calls. >>>> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings of >>>> the various club sites we are using and that may be available, there >>>> were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and several >>>> who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any of the >>>> discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like FB, and >>>> why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even affiliated >>>> with the club, but was able to take over what was supposed to be a > locked account. >>>> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does >>>> not use the Yahoo group: >>>> >>>>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, >>>>> clicked on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window >>>>> popped up saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted to >>>>> be it. I clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. >>>>> I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use it >>>>> (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works quite >>>>> well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. People like >>>>> one and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the Yahoo group >>>>> site difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. >>>> Please express your thought on this matter to the group. >>>> >>>> Greg Tatarian >>>> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NOBBC@autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >>>> $11.47 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NOBBC@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >>> $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/gtwincams@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NOBBC@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com > _______________________________________________ > NOBBC@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/millerbetty@comcast.net _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 19:03:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476272584D84 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 19:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C148E2584C0F for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 18:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pdfh10 with SMTP id h10so78301774pdf.3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2015 18:02:00 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O3xYLrBuNysjJVJhVofJ0FZPl4ImLmlHBKJPGVyGawk=; b=l2+9Az3K1CUOcL1HdI8McuITNZeRM3cwGxP+bqtwROeOj4LBPbeLhUIldHzUBXOWxx O8URiI5c2JIwDMzZc8WThovjIq6MnmJqy76Mvijz/4+eVRl0NKpHshi8eUmMYiuIBKcL u39rtQ1qpjqjfz6RrzJZ4KBp3L3KBbEpjeKcq00uga1eumuFHIt0jSQSpI1WHaQ9WM6n Pko2X9xht8BIFwtk/SU1rveUrS7CcN06SqBnOU0NLQk9N/p4zg4oMYwgonYBjuctpr4M XkEeGud1PjKdhM89M/jfOd2koGKmEeWet55DbEGpeqCUPkSCD1CRKQYAYV66rlt37qe0 IoRw== fk14mr43863366pac.74.1432602119950; Mon, 25 May 2015 18:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:9:3703:2310:ccf3:31a3:d487:ed60? ([2601:9:3703:2310:ccf3:31a3:d487:ed60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm11159930pdk.77.2015.05.25.18.01.58 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 May 2015 18:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:01:56 -0700 From: NOBBC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: North Bay British Car Club , NOBBC@yahoogroups.com Cc: Daniel Drummond Subject: [NOBBC] Correction to one statement in last email Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Members, I was mistaken when I indicated in an earlier email that Dan had signed me up to FB. Apparently, years ago, either before or more probably around the time of Ron's death, I tried to get access to the account and it was never approved. Dan simply approved it, along with some others that were pending. Dan reports there has fair amount of activity on the site in the last 24 hours. Members - please make a decision about how you want to handle this stuff. It's burning my precious time and I would like to pass this on to someone else. Thanks, Greg Tatarian _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 10:06:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55601258517B for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 10:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0138.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EA82584704 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 09:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BY1PR0401MB1160.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.16) by BY1PR0401MB1173.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.194.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.166.22; Tue, 26 May 2015 16:06:24 +0000 Received: from BY1PR0401MB1160.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.16) by BY1PR0401MB1160.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.193.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.172.22; Tue, 26 May 2015 16:06:21 +0000 Received: from BY1PR0401MB1160.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.193.16]) by BY1PR0401MB1160.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.193.16]) with mapi id 15.01.0172.012; Tue, 26 May 2015 16:06:21 +0000 From: Daniel Drummond To: North Bay British Car Club , Betz Miller , "NOBBC@yahoogroups.com" Thread-Topic: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Thread-Index: AQHQlwmHksWYrnhsMkW3LN9DJD/X3Z2M7D6AgAANvgCAABEngIAAStKugAEQEYA= Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:06:20 +0000 References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> <7907EF56-067E-4FF3-A526-96554F65EDCC@me.com> <55636224.8030807@gmail.com> <4B84B6FE-8A1D-4D54-BA60-95AEE6008412@me.com> <004d01d09738$4bc419d0$e34c4d70$@comcast.net> <5563AF38.20307@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=dan@drummondlaw.com; x-originating-ip: [75.36.165.209] x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(42139001); SRVR:BY1PR0401MB1160; UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(42139001); SRVR:BY1PR0401MB1173; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(520002)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:BY1PR0401MB1160; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY1PR0401MB1160; x-forefront-prvs: 0588B2BD96 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(13464003)(377454003)(53754006)(479174004)(52044002)(199003)(189002)(24454002)(57704003)(164054003)(51704005)(2900100001)(46102003)(97736004)(76576001)(2950100001)(62966003)(106116001)(2501003)(5001860100001)(105586002)(19580395003)(19580405001)(102836002)(15975445007)(5001830100001)(68736005)(1720100001)(1600100001)(122556002)(5001960100002)(5001770100001)(93886004)(40100003)(107886002)(81156007)(77156002)(189998001)(4001540100001)(74316001)(54356999)(66066001)(64706001)(50986999)(76176999)(101416001)(2656002)(99286002)(106356001)(15974865002)(33656002)(551944002)(87936001)(92566002)(86362001)(487294005)(7059030); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY1PR0401MB1160; H:BY1PR0401MB1160.namprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: drummondlaw.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Everyone, It's been awhile since I posted anything, but the recent hubhub over Facebook the last couple days requires some clarification. First, and contrary to what was written below, no one has been signed up for the Facebook group who didn't first request to join. Second, it was quite by accident and with no intention of kicking a hornets nest that I was given a chance to take over the dormant Facebook group. Just out of curiosity, I clicked on the old Facebook group page and a window popped up informing me there was no admin for the group and asking if I wanted to become the admin. Why I was given that opportunity and whether the same opportunity would have been given to anyone looking at the page I do not know. Knowing that there had been substantial effort to regain control of the group page after Ron's passing, I thought I was doing the club a favor by taking control when the opportunity arose. I thought Greg was a likely candidate to take over the page and sent him an email letting him know what had happened. Yes, as Greg will point out, I did not specifically ask him in that first email if he wanted to be the admin as it was just a brief email to let him know the page was once again active. It was clear from Greg's response that he had no interest in anything having to do with Facebook. That being the case, I went on to the page, updated the cover photo to the only photo I had available at the moment (and which should be changed to one more representative of the group), posted a comment about what had happened, and approved about a dozen membership requests that were pending, including Greg's. No harm was intended. If you don't like Facebook, that's fine. We all have our preferences. But the Facebook group is back and running. Feel free to use it or not as you wish. And on a car note, I hope to get my MG running and see you all on a ride soon. Cheers, Dan Daniel A. Drummond Attorney at Law 576 B Street, Suite 2F Santa Rosa, CA 95401 (707) 542-3418 -----Original Message----- From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of NOBBC Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 4:25 PM To: Betz Miller; North Bay British Car Club; NOBBC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Hi Betz and Members, Betz, I know you've had troubles in the past. You and one other member have had troubles from the beginning, and I've tried to help both of you. I want to be clear. I am not asking for opinions on the Yahoo Group. In part, I am asking whether the membership wants the Facebook page resurrected as Dan has already done. If you do, you all need to decide which medium will be used as the official mode of communication and scheduling information. I WILL NOT USE FACEBOOK, so Dan would step in and take over all club communications, or some other member if Dan doesn't want to. He was able to simply take over what was supposed to be the locked Facebook account for the NOBBC, without FB requiring any proof of affiliation, which I think is just weird. At least Dan is a member (it could have been anyone simply taking over the club's identity). Already, I've lost a couple of hours today to this issue; responding to Dan, writing to the members. Shortly after telling Dan I didn't want to be on Facebook, he signed me up using one of my private email addresses and approved me - without my asking, and after I specifically told him I didn't want to use FB. Shortly after that, I received an email from someone who signed up to the FB page, but I have no idea if Dan is now speaking as the official voice of the NOBBC to this person or any other new FB user. Whether the membership wants that to happen or not, I don't think it makes sense to have multiple forms of official communication, and multiple administrators. It's confusing, and it's tough enough just to keep the Yahoo Group up to date with the drive info. Also, since hardly anyone seems to post messages these days to either the Autox list or the Yahoo Group, why do we need yet another social media page?Again, if that's what you all want, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AUTOX, WEB SITE, AND YAHOO GROUP. I'd also like to propose we do away with the web site www.nobbc.com, and save Dean some money. Dan - if you want to take over all of these tasks, I'm good with that. I think I would have appreciated it if you had asked the members ahead of time, and it would have been nice to know that FB will simply give away a locked account. Like it or not, you now all have a Facebook page, with Dan as administrator. You also have an antiquated emailing list. You have a web site. You have a Yahoo Group. I'm taking care of three of those things, and I was managing a separate membership list. I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE JOBS TO DO OR SITES TO ADMINISTER. I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT AMONGST YOURSELVES, PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T OFFER OPINIONS WITHOUT SOLUTIONS. Thanks, Greg Tatarian On 5/25/2015 3:15 PM, Betz Miller wrote: > Hi, > Since you asked, I don't like the yahoo site. Not sure if I've ever > been successful at posting. Plus I have a Microsoft Surface Tablet RT > 2, which I don't recommend, but sometimes when I try to create a new > contact it goes into be in my yahoo address which I only created to > join this club. > Betz Miller > > -----Original Message----- > From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roland > Quintero > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:57 AM > To: North Bay British Car Club > Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page > > Greg, I was happy with the BBC Yahoo group site. That is only my > opinion but it was direct and easy. > > > Best Regards, Roland. > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 25, 2015, at 10:55 AM, NOBBC wrote: >> >> Hi Roland, >> >> Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group... >> >> I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose, >> which > has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox > mailing list. > I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for > listing events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook, > remember there will be other members who will no longer be involved, > as they won't sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the > preferred approach, I would propose migrating entirely and let someone > like Dan or whomever take over the club communication > responsibilities, or keep both but let someone else take over the Yahoo Group. >> We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a >> couple of > members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes > sense to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding > member, Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however. >> cheers, >> >> Greg >> >>> On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote: >>> So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but >>> could not > do >>> it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you >>> continue to > use >>> NOBBC Communications for drives.? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Do what you can do well >>> >>>> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Members, >>>> >>>> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has >>>> taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was >>>> originally started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I >>>> spent months working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page >>>> over to me or someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't >>>> close the account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them >>>> a death certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and >>>> after many > emails and phone calls. >>>> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings >>>> of the various club sites we are using and that may be available, >>>> there were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and >>>> several who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any >>>> of the discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like >>>> FB, and why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even >>>> affiliated with the club, but was able to take over what was >>>> supposed to be a > locked account. >>>> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does >>>> not use the Yahoo group: >>>> >>>>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, >>>>> clicked on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window >>>>> popped up saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted >>>>> to be it. I clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. >>>>> I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use >>>>> it (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works >>>>> quite well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. >>>>> People like one and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the >>>>> Yahoo group site difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. >>>> Please express your thought on this matter to the group. >>>> >>>> Greg Tatarian >>>> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NOBBC@autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >>>> $11.47 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NOBBC@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >>> $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/gtwincams@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NOBBC@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/rolquinmac@me.com > _______________________________________________ > NOBBC@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/millerbetty@comcast.net _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/nobbc/dan@drummondlaw.com _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 10:37:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3CE25851DB for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 10:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: nobbc@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4464258035F for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 10:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pdfh10 with SMTP id h10so94470574pdf.3 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 09:37:44 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=EEbui6NA7Henuab02h0nVMhKaXV6Xxp35CdH3E6rNvI=; b=J5LFOrp0ss+E4T+GdRPaMytXMPLkoxCy5TqsAHkNVOQHSkGN30Dx+eslt2T39L20oF CobaH5OaMMDpZ0JMkRJq07Y9LSJq+Wqqs2LN1kkHW97QHWalXSorRIM/z7n5XAJnLBJz sINIxVrI9x1o9h6L+Nde6EDfKgyYUDIDpazL7pSaXj/k1IJyuAGG67ksf+Czpracwa+D wjvbBWQDnkzaAu+HeJ6bFcpblHnqJk22IeDBL2El+q2iFZRDHdZ2kgnhkjxYRF3DNhWk 4TxTOU5JRqUoWBHfKbiqQlVlW4adM2oHyfaw4bPNzvPgRHDL2LsDdAtkfGbVVuq7Qrm6 3uoQ== z5mr50580917pdf.36.1432658264500; Tue, 26 May 2015 09:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:9:3703:2310:89e9:9673:21e2:2cae? ([2601:9:3703:2310:89e9:9673:21e2:2cae]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k4sm13562925pdg.87.2015.05.26.09.37.42 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 May 2015 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:37:35 -0700 From: NOBBC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 To: NOBBC@yahoogroups.com, North Bay British Car Club References: <55634ACE.6090701@gmail.com> <7907EF56-067E-4FF3-A526-96554F65EDCC@me.com> <55636224.8030807@gmail.com> <4B84B6FE-8A1D-4D54-BA60-95AEE6008412@me.com> <004d01d09738$4bc419d0$e34c4d70$@comcast.net> <5563AF38.20307@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for posting to the group, Dan. One correction to your first comment; I did not state that you had signed up anyone but me, and I later corrected that statement to you and the group. Also, I have expressed distaste for FB and the intention not to use it, but have acknowledged that some folks like it, which is why I started the discussion many months ago after receiving some complaints about the Yahoo Group. My concerns are more about having so many modes of communication, and the need for one unified club identity, as I stated in the earlier emails below. As Dan understands, I am not willing to take over yet another task, and certainly not FB. /So again: I am asking that members please select a person to take over management of the web page and the Yahoo Group. I've had no time to even enjoy a club drive in many, many months, but have been handling this stuff since Ron's passing. I'm ready to hand over these tasks to someone else, and let them listen to the complaints and spend their time on behalf of the membership. This is not sudden; I asked that a member step up many months ago. / Thank you, Greg Tatarian On 5/26/2015 9:06 AM, Daniel Drummond dan@drummondlaw.com [NOBBC] wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > It's been awhile since I posted anything, but the recent hubhub over > Facebook the last couple days requires some clarification. First, and > contrary to what was written below, no one has been signed up for the > Facebook group who didn't first request to join. Second, it was quite > by accident and with no intention of kicking a hornets nest that I was > given a chance to take over the dormant Facebook group. > > Just out of curiosity, I clicked on the old Facebook group page and a > window popped up informing me there was no admin for the group and > asking if I wanted to become the admin. Why I was given that > opportunity and whether the same opportunity would have been given to > anyone looking at the page I do not know. Knowing that there had been > substantial effort to regain control of the group page after Ron's > passing, I thought I was doing the club a favor by taking control when > the opportunity arose. > > I thought Greg was a likely candidate to take over the page and sent > him an email letting him know what had happened. Yes, as Greg will > point out, I did not specifically ask him in that first email if he > wanted to be the admin as it was just a brief email to let him know > the page was once again active. It was clear from Greg's response that > he had no interest in anything having to do with Facebook. That being > the case, I went on to the page, updated the cover photo to the only > photo I had available at the moment (and which should be changed to > one more representative of the group), posted a comment about what had > happened, and approved about a dozen membership requests that were > pending, including Greg's. > > No harm was intended. If you don't like Facebook, that's fine. We all > have our preferences. But the Facebook group is back and running. Feel > free to use it or not as you wish. > > And on a car note, I hope to get my MG running and see you all on a > ride soon. > > Cheers, > > Dan > > Daniel A. Drummond > Attorney at Law > 576 B Street, Suite 2F > Santa Rosa, CA 95401 > (707) 542-3418 > > -----Original Message----- > From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of NOBBC > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 4:25 PM > To: Betz Miller; North Bay British Car Club; NOBBC@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page > > Hi Betz and Members, > > Betz, I know you've had troubles in the past. You and one other member > have had troubles from the beginning, and I've tried to help both of you. > > I want to be clear. I am not asking for opinions on the Yahoo Group. > In part, I am asking whether the membership wants the Facebook page > resurrected as Dan has already done. If you do, you all need to decide > which medium will be used as the official mode of communication and > scheduling information. I WILL NOT USE FACEBOOK, so Dan would step in > and take over all club communications, or some other member if Dan > doesn't want to. He was able to simply take over what was supposed to > be the locked Facebook account for the NOBBC, without FB requiring any > proof of affiliation, which I think is just weird. At least Dan is a > member (it could have been anyone simply taking over the club's identity). > > Already, I've lost a couple of hours today to this issue; responding > to Dan, writing to the members. Shortly after telling Dan I didn't > want to be on Facebook, he signed me up using one of my private email > addresses and approved me - without my asking, and after I > specifically told him I didn't want to use FB. Shortly after that, I > received an email from someone who signed up to the FB page, but I > have no idea if Dan is now speaking as the official voice of the NOBBC > to this person or any other new FB user. Whether the membership wants > that to happen or not, I don't think it makes sense to have multiple > forms of official communication, and multiple administrators. It's > confusing, and it's tough enough just to keep the Yahoo Group up to > date with the drive info. > > Also, since hardly anyone seems to post messages these days to either > the Autox list or the Yahoo Group, why do we need yet another social > media page?Again, if that's what you all want, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND > OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AUTOX, WEB SITE, AND YAHOO GROUP. I'd also > like to propose we do away with the web site www.nobbc.com, and save > Dean some money. > > Dan - if you want to take over all of these tasks, I'm good with that. > I think I would have appreciated it if you had asked the members ahead > of time, and it would have been nice to know that FB will simply give > away a locked account. > > Like it or not, you now all have a Facebook page, with Dan as > administrator. You also have an antiquated emailing list. You have a > web site. You have a Yahoo Group. I'm taking care of three of those > things, and I was managing a separate membership list. I AM NOT ASKING > FOR ANY MORE JOBS TO DO OR SITES TO ADMINISTER. I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO > STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT AMONGST YOURSELVES, PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T OFFER > OPINIONS WITHOUT SOLUTIONS. > > Thanks, > > Greg Tatarian > > On 5/25/2015 3:15 PM, Betz Miller wrote: > > Hi, > > Since you asked, I don't like the yahoo site. Not sure if I've ever > > been successful at posting. Plus I have a Microsoft Surface Tablet RT > > 2, which I don't recommend, but sometimes when I try to create a new > > contact it goes into be in my yahoo address which I only created to > > join this club. > > Betz Miller > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NOBBC [mailto:nobbc-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roland > > Quintero > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:57 AM > > To: North Bay British Car Club > > Subject: Re: [NOBBC] Resurrected Facebook page > > > > Greg, I was happy with the BBC Yahoo group site. That is only my > > opinion but it was direct and easy. > > > > > > Best Regards, Roland. > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On May 25, 2015, at 10:55 AM, NOBBC wrote: > >> > >> Hi Roland, > >> > >> Replying on autox as well as the Yahoo Group... > >> > >> I think we should have one main communication mode for that purpose, > >> which > > has been almost entirely the Yahoo Group, and formerly the Autox > > mailing list. > > I don't think it would be a good idea to use yet another medium for > > listing events and drives. If members want to switch over to Facebook, > > remember there will be other members who will no longer be involved, > > as they won't sign up for FB. I'm one of those, so if FB is the > > preferred approach, I would propose migrating entirely and let someone > > like Dan or whomever take over the club communication > > responsibilities, or keep both but let someone else take over the > Yahoo Group. > >> We don't really communicate much as a group these days, and only a > >> couple of > > members have posted photos recently, so I'm not sure if it even makes > > sense to keep a web page anymore. I think our last remaining founding > > member, Dean, might want to weigh in on that, however. > >> cheers, > >> > >> Greg > >> > >>> On 5/25/2015 10:06 AM, Roland Quintero wrote: > >>> So Greg and everybody I tried to leave a comment on Facebook but > >>> could not > > do > >>> it. Are we going to list our events on Facebook or would you > >>> continue to > > use > >>> NOBBC Communications for drives.? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> Do what you can do well > >>> > >>>> On May 25, 2015, at 9:16 AM, NOBBC wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hello Members, > >>>> > >>>> Yesterday I received an email from member Dan Drummond, who has > >>>> taken over as administrator of the Facebook page that was > >>>> originally started and administered by Ron. After Ron's death, I > >>>> spent months working with his widow to try to transfer the FB page > >>>> over to me or someone else in the club, but was denied. FB wouldn't > >>>> close the account, only lock it - even after insisting I send them > >>>> a death certificate and an affidavit from his widow and myself, and > >>>> after many > > emails and phone calls. > >>>> During our recent group discussion of the merits and shortcomings > >>>> of the various club sites we are using and that may be available, > >>>> there were several who expressed concerns or dislike with FB, and > >>>> several who expressed satisfaction with it, but nothing came of any > >>>> of the discussions. This is just one more reason why I don't like > >>>> FB, and why I won't use it - Dan could have been anyone, not even > >>>> affiliated with the club, but was able to take over what was > >>>> supposed to be a > > locked account. > >>>> I've excerpted relevant parts of two emails from Dan, since he does > >>>> not use the Yahoo group: > >>>> > >>>>> I was nosing around Facebook this morning and just for ducks, > >>>>> clicked on the old NOBBC page that Ron used to manage. A window > >>>>> popped up saying the group needed an admin and asked if I wanted > >>>>> to be it. I clicked on yes so I think I'm the new admin. > >>>>> I have no gripes with Facebook. I belong to two groups that use > >>>>> it (one group that I manage and one that I do not) and it works > >>>>> quite well. It kind of seems like the PC versus Mac debate. > >>>>> People like one and hate the other. FWIW, I've always found the > >>>>> Yahoo group site difficult to navigate to the point I gave up on it. > >>>> Please express your thought on this matter to the group. > >>>> > >>>> Greg Tatarian > >>>> Administrator/Moderator - NOBBC Yahoo Group, Autox list > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: Daniel Drummond > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > >  Reply to sender >  Reply to group >  Start a New Topic > >  Messages in this topic > > (6) > > Visit Your Group > > > > Yahoo! Groups > > >  Privacy >  > Unsubscribe > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ NOBBC@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive